April 13, 2026
Brian Helgeland - A Knight's Tale

April gives us NOS, Knights, and Nascar Month!
Angela joins Jeff back in Medieval times! A time of knights, jousting, and... great rock music? It's the 2001 anachronistic action-comedy A Knight's Tale, directed by Brian Helgeland!
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Angela joins Jeff back in Medieval times! A time of knights, jousting, and... great rock music? It's the 2001 anachronistic action-comedy A Knight's Tale, directed by Brian Helgeland!
Check out our NEW YouTube Channel and subscribe now! Our new series Previously On... is exclusively available over on YouTube to cover your favorite TV shows, and ours!
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In medieval times, a sport arose embraced by noble and
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peasant fans alike. The only noble knights could compete. The
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sport was jousting. Angela, let's talk about a film by
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Brian Helgeland, his two thousand and one medieval anachronistic action
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film maybe action comedy, A Night's Tale. Hello everybody, I'm Jeff.
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Johnson and I'm Angela Norris.
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And this is a film by Podcast. So last week
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we began our month of nas Knights and Nascar with
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two thousand and one's The Fast and the Furious. This
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week we shift our focus to nights and maybe one
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of my all time favorites for this genre. Angela. Yes, okay,
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So if you're talking about movies about knights, I think
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maybe the top three has to be ex Caliber Kingdom
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of Heaven, the Director's Cut, Mind You, and Monty Python
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and The Holy Grail.
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I was gonna say if you didn't mention that one
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in the top three, I was gonna be teeky. Yeah.
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Yeah, Yeah, that's that's a pretty good cover.
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Yeah, this one, this one, I mean the first joust
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with when William William takes over and the crowd is
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doing that we will rock you. This the clap and
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the stomp and we hear queens, we will rock you.
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The movie wins me over immediately first time I see
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it back in two thousand and one, and I'm like, wait,
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what are we doing? You know? And I kind of
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mentioned this is a an anachronistic movie because it's a
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little it's using music that's out of place at a time.
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This has got an incredible rock soundtrack, and I know
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we're going to talk about that, but I just it's
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just such a fun movie.
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Yes, I think they did a great job with that.
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And even the director when he was told why didn't
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you use an orchestra. He's like a show's work around
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on the fourteenth century either.
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So, you know, while we do see those types of
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movies set with a really good, you know, orchestral soundtrack,
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you know, that was the argument for that, which is true.
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Yeah, so I think with the.
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You know, it being a good story about you know, friendship,
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you know, a guy trying to change his stars and
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his you know, and and be be the master of
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his own you know, destiny rather than it being dictated
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by you know, others or birth because you know, okay,
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and just you know, having a good it's a good
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fun time and I think that really adds to it.
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If it was orchestral one, it's not that kind of movie.
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It's definitely more I think.
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The adventure comedy, you know, adventure calmed, lighthearted, it's got
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it's just got a really good mix.
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And yeah, if you did an orchestra, it would what
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are we even doing here? And it would have been crap.
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So this was the appropriate creative direction with it. And yes,
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it definitely adds to it. I feel like it's actually
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another character.
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Yeah, it's a great, great direction. By the way, let's
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talk about this director. Yes, Angela three things you may
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not know about Brian Helgeland, and I'll even give you
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a quote. First, he won the Oscar and Razzie Award
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the same weekend in nineteen ninety eight.
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I did see that.
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Yeah, best screenplay for La Confidential for you know, which
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the thing, like we we like this year, we're focused
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on movies from two thousand and one to two thousand
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and six, and we're breaking the norm where we're kind
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of talking about a lot of blockbusters. Typically we talk
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I'd say definitely.
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If we haven't done that one, we have to.
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That's just we've got Yeah, we've got like I have
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That, but I think weak, nudge nudge no.
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check it out. Maybe you want us to talk about
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LA Confidential.
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Please yes, absolutely.
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Back to Brian Helglen by the way that that story
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I told you about his the Oscar and the Razzie
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mm hm. He proudly displays them side by side on.
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His mantle and why why wouldn't you.
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Well, why wouldn't you? But keep in mind but humble, Yeah,
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he's only the fourth person in Razzie history to voluntarily
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ask and accept their award.
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Okay, yeah that yeah, that I.
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Gotta I gotta look that up because whoever the other
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three are, that's just fun people.
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They Yeah, yeah, no, absolutely, because I think I one
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of the things he because he talked about he said
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he puts him side by side just to basically kind
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of remind him about the spectrum of yes, you know,
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Hollywood and.
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The creative things. So yeah, I mean, you got it.
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You gotta take the you know, that's wins wherever you get.
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I mean, it's just just kind of cant pullet yourself
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and move on.
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Yeah, this guy, he he holds, he holds film directors
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in very high regard. He also, I mean, when we're
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talking about screenwriters who become directors, which is what he did,
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he's a big fan for them. But his mentor famous
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director Angel you want to take a crack at it,
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and he guesses who his famous Who who his mentor was?
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Oh gosh, I didn't put that in my notes. I
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know where his screen.
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Just take it. Take a guess. No, take a guess.
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You're not we're not cramming for the Take a guess.
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We're not cramming for that.
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I know, I know, I feel like I'm being tested.
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I'm trying to think of like a screenwery about the no.
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No, just a director, famous.
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Director, direct Steven Spielberg.
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I don't know.
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That's partly not it, that's not that's a good guy.
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His mentor, Man, you got you got all flustered there,
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I know I did.
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I'm so sorry. I was prepared for anything else.
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I'm like, I know a student.
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Who's just hey, when you ready for me, when you're
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ready for me to zig, I'm gonna zag. That's how
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His mentor was Richard Donner. And this was after after
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they had worked Yeah it was. It was after they
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worked together on Conspiracy Theory. So okay, i'll tell you
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right now. Yeah, we've covered Richard Donner a couple of
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times now, yeah, you know, and we'll cover him again.
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But I'm telling you right now, I am pulling hard
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for Conspiracy Theory. I love that film. It's such an
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amazing movie, and I don't think it gets the the
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cloud that it deserves. So anyways, moving on from a
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screenwriting perspective, he cites Tony Scott as the director he
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felt closest to sensibility wise, because they both happen to
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believe that any single moment in a film can be ordinary, absurd, tragic,
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and funny at the same time. And that's absolutely that's
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that's a writer's perspective. If I if I've ever heard
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one lastly on screenwriting, he says, and I quote, it's
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okay to lie if you reach a higher truth doing so.
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That's an interesting concept.
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That is, Yeah, if it leads you to.
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Yeah, I don't yeah, enlightenment.
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I suppose that.
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Yeah, sure, Angela. I'm gonna challenge you with a five
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word synopsis. Tell me what a night's tale is all about,
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using exactly five words.
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I actually came up with several of them, but I'm
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going to go with this one, all right. So self
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proclaimed night winds favor.
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That's good, thank you. That's a that's a head scratcher too,
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because if I'm listening, you know, we mentioned a couple
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of movies about nights, and now I'm like, wait, self favor,
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and it's all in the it's the devil's in the details,
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it's self proclaimed night. That's it. That's very good, very good.
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You I went more uh rudimentary. I'm not I'm not
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the critical thinker. You are today. How about how about
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medieval nights with rock music? There you go, yeah, I
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mean that's pretty cut and dry.
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Yeah, I think that would be definitely a good bringing
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in the audience, like huh nights, yeah, Friday with some
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rock music.
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Yep, sure, sign me up.
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I feel like it works, right, Yeah, all right, Well, look,
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we are going to take a quick break and when
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we get back, we'll talk about this rock soundtrack, we'll
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talk about this cast, and we'll even do a little
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bit of background. I'm sure when we return. Welcome back.
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Angela and I are discussing Brian Helgelin's two thousand and
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one action comedy medieval action comedy A Night's Tale. Angela,
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take me back to two thousand and one. You've got
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a type. I know you do. Yeah, But in two
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thousand and one, what were you thinking about Heath Ledger
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in the role of William Thatcher or otherwise known as
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Sir Ulrich von Lichtenstein of Gelderland. I know, that's a mouthful.
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It is a say that three times.
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It's like and Stean Stein.
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Well, he Fledger was definitely on the radar, especially uh
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after seeing him with Julia Styles and ten things I
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Hate About You, which is still one of my favorite
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like nostalgic pieces to go to.
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That came out when I was in high school, so
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he was definitely on the radar.
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I think about the same time, if not the same
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year I think The Patriot came out, If not your prior, yeah,
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I think it might be might have just I think
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Patriot might have been two thousand and this one was one,
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if memory serves, So yeah, he he was definitely on
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the the the hotty watch list, and you know, one
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one of the heart throbs of yeah of that time.
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So I remember seeing going to see this in the
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theater strictly for him, and I remember having a really
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good time in a chorus, laughing and I get injured
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duced to you know Alan Tudic.
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Who I freaking love that guy.
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Who does We'll get to Oh, I know I'm trying
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to jump the gun, but yeah, just uh And then again,
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you know the rock music.
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We're like, okay, this is you know, a little bit
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different because then later that year we had Mulan Rouge
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coming out with that modern juke box you know, those
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music and stuff like that. So it was an interesting creative,
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you know, choice of using that kind you know, that
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fourteenth century setting with rock music and you know, just
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having a good, good fun adventure about you know, a
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decent guy that you a very likable character who refused
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to you know, be you know, pigeonholed or to not
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you know, reach his dreams just because of you know,
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he wasn't born in a certain you know manner and
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that every man can you know, make his own destiny
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things like that.
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He was a very firm believer with that, and it
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was it was a fun watch.
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