1996: The Rock

0:01 These are the movies of nineteen ninety six. What's up, everybody. We've broken down the fresh films of nineteen eighty six. We examined the gritty cinemascape of nineteen seventy six. Now it's time to check out the Hella Good flicks of nineteen ninety six. I'm a host for the pod that the film by Well, I'm Jeff Johnson, but of course saw of course, of course I am Jason Colvin of the Shirley You Can't Be Serious podcast is with me today.

0:47 For the fourth time on this series, Jason, we've talked about The Nutty Professor, Independence Day, and Twister. Yeah, we have, we have. I'm so glad to be back man, Thank you, thank for having me. I could not think of a of a more fun guest to have on this one talk talking about this film. Michael Bay. This is I guess this is like his second movie. He's he's still a little untested, but this is his second big feature. Arguably maybe his his best movie. I would say it's his best movie. Yes, you know, A little fun fact for you. Michael Bay made his acting debut in nineteen eighty six during the second during the second season of one of your favorite shows. Jason, what the second season of Miami Vice he was on. Do you remember the episode? Yeah?

1:40 Do you remember the episode called called free Verse? I know, I know you love Miami Vice like I do, so I've had to mention this. Yeah, let me describe it. Yeah, remember, okay, tub Tub like Crockett is kind of out of the out. Of the mix. I think he was in court or something, but it's it's a Tubs episode and he was assigned to protect a poet that was seeking political asylum. And then you know the there's like a sexy assassin who who's after the guy played by Mick Jagger's wife, uh at the time, Bianca Jagger. Yes, Bianca Jagger is the Sheikh's wife in the Cannonball Run. Yeah, okay, yeah, you're I think you're right. That is absolutely correct.

2:21 I do remember that episode. Yes, awesome. Michael Bay played goon number three on that episode. Wow, wow, that's interesting. Yeah. Well, what do you say we cut the chit chat a hole our listeners, our listeners? What I hear all about the rock? All right, Jeff, I'll do my best. Your best losers always whine about the best winners. Go home and fuck the prom queen. This Austin situation in Alcatrast. You were a few payment. I launched the gas.

3:02 One way in, find them be fused. Okay, okay, no way out. Don't you think there's a lot of anger flowing around this island this summer? The jailhouse rocks join this or so more enjoinable with my apreach day o'connery Cage Harris. I had such an interesting day today, that. Kind of an interesting day myself, o rock Later. At our starts June sevens, an FBI chemical weapons super freak and a former British spy lead a mission to Alcatraz to stop a renegade general from launching chemical weapons into the heart of San Francisco. Jason one of the biggest films of nineteen ninety six, not the biggest, but one of the biggest so far.

3:48 This is my favorite movie of ninety six that we've talked about. I absolutely love this one. It's a thrill ride, roller coaster, fun, popcorn movie. I have to agree with you. I think this. I mean, we've talked about some blockbusters Mission, like I said, Mission Impossible, Independence State, but this is this one had the most fun. This was quintessential nineties action, right. Oh yeah, We're smashing ferraris around San Francisco. We're jumping the hills, we're escaping, We're throwing guys over the side of a building. How much much money? How much money do you want to assume, like that whole chase sequence, the just the destruction that San Francisco incurves, It's in the millions, gotta be right, Yeah, yeah, unreal.

4:38 I do Still, I do appreciate the fact that there's actual practical effects. Is a real car smashing into each other getting blown up. There's no CGI crap here. This is legit stunt work. This might be one of the first instances of the of the Bay shot that that slow motion three hundred and sixty degree when he does it on Nicholas Cage. Yeah, he might have done it in Bad Boys, but I'm not sure. I can't remember now. So this so this is quintessentially Michael Bay. Right. You have the you know, the soldier, the slow motion soldier. You have the the airplanes flying overhead in slow motion. Everything is gorgeous in this. Typically his stuff is all style and no substance. But I I think he's got substance to this movie. I think he's got.

5:22 His background as a music video director. You can feel it in the movie. Yeah, with the quick cuts, the smash cuts, the the angles. It's a it's slick and I love it. Talking nineties culture and how it influenced this film, I think the one thing that that sticks out to me is John Mason, who is the character that that Sean Connery plays. Uh, he asks if his haircut is out of style, and we get we get a couple of references to twenty year old guitarists from Seattle. It's it's a grunge thing, you know, Yeah, I mean Seattle, the Seattle music scene. This is when it was hitting. This was the peak of the grunge rock movement, right.

6:04 Yeah, I did it. I did appreciate that, but it still was cringe worthy to hear Sean Connery talk about a grunch thing when you know, he didn't care, didn't know a thing about it, but still it was fun to hear. It was you know, he's he's in at the beginning of this movie, he's he's he looks like Dave Grohl's dad. And I was okay with that, you. Know, yeah, yeah, it's a grunge thing. Talking about the film's box office and what the critics sawt nineteen ninety six, this opens at number one with twenty five million dollars, takes out Mission Impossible for the top spot, goes on to gross three hundred and thirty five million dollars, which if I if memory serves it lands at kind of like the top top four spot in releases that year. Huge movie.

6:58 Yeah, it's a great movie. Yeah. Yeah. Critics were comparing it to Mission Impossible, basically saying this gave us the fun and excitement and thrills the Mission Impossible didn't. In a way, that's kind of a backhanded compliment to both films. I feel like, you know, like it's it gets a lot of accolades, and even Roberieberg gave you like three and a half out of four stars, would go on to write a recommendation for the Criterion Collections for its disc release and things like that. Yeah, I think about that. I own the Criterion collection of this, which and it's awesome two discs. It's loaded with options and extras, and you got to think Criterion, the Criterion collection that's usually reserved for more art house films more dramatic.

7:45 Fair right, But Ebert kind of. Kind of kind of went to bad for it, saying that this is, you know, a specific kind of action film for a specific time in cinema. And and I agree with him, I absolutely agree with him. This is the type of movie that I wanted to see in the summertime, you know what I mean? And you have to, you absolutely have to. This is not Oscar worthy. This is none of that. This is just go and just have a great time. It's funny that you say it's not Oscar worthy because it was nominated for an Academy Award. Really yeah, it was actually nominated Best Sound, didn't win.

8:30 And when you think. About all the car crashes, all the gunfire, all you know, everything that's going on in Alcatraz, I totally get why. Now here's what you won't believe though, Jason. It's nominated against Independence Day Twister. Ok. Those two make perfect sense to me, right, sure those fit. Evida is in there for Best Sound, which maybe, I mean, you know what, you know what ends up winning? What's that? The English Patient? Okay? Well, I mean the English Patient. I don't know. I would have thought, honestly, Honestly, I would have thought the twister would have got it, you know, yeah, I could any of those would have been a perfect fit.

9:20 I'm not sure about the English patient. Yeah, yeah, when are you covering the English patient for this? We will not be covering the English patient. No, thank you. Well, Jason, I'll tell you what. Let's take a quick break and when we get back, we'll go behind the scenes on this one. Okay, that was good. Welcome back. Jason Colvin from the Shirley You Can't Be Serious podcast is with us today discussing The Rock. Here's something I did not know about The Rock. Apparently tensions were running really high on this shoot between Michael Bay and Disney executives who just happened to be on site to quote unquote supervise him.

10:06 Uh huh. Yeah. Bay mentions this in his audio commentary, which you can find on the Criterion. Collection version of this release. Yeah, he talks he has this great story there where he basically is talking about his frustration with him, but that all went away the day he went to go meet with executives. They walked into the conference room and we're kind of surprised to see Sean Connery standing behind him, and Connery then told them that Bey was doing a good job and to leave him alone. And what are you gonna. Say to James Bond? You're gonna argue with him? Right exactly? You know, I heard about this story as well.

10:46 I heard that Bay and Connery ran into each other as Connore was getting ready to go to the golf course, like he's in his golf gool wow, and and he just says to Michael Bay, where are you going? And He's like, I gotta go. I gotta go talk to these executives. They're giving me trouble, and and Connory's like, well, let's go talk to you know I mean? And so he shows up. He's wearing his golf knickers and stuff too. How about that? Yeah? So now I'm wondering, like, is it just is he is he wagging a finger at these guys or is he wagging a seven iron at them? Like? Either way, I think you have to do what mister Connery says, right. Yeah, absolutely, absolutely So I love when he went to that for his director though. I think that especially a young guy like Michael Bay.

11:32 Yeah, an untested guy, and clearly he's got to be doing a fantastic job with the production. If Sean Connery is willing to do what he did he did here, I think that's awesome. He too. I'll tell you also what I feel is awesome. You watch you watch this movie The Navy Seals that we see storm Alcatraz. I mean, these guys got it down. I mean they they know what they're doing. And for the longest time I just thought, well, these actors are fantastic, but at point of fact, these are actual Navy Seals. In the scene that Michael Bean is commanding. We'll get to Michael Bean here in a minute, he's Commander Anderson. Fantastic. Yeah, yeah, think about that. Michael Bean who played a Navy seal in the film Navy Seals, which right, hey, I happen to love I own a copy of it.

12:21 Him and Charlie Sheen are Austin Bill Paxton. Bill Paxton, Yeah, yeah, I. Read that he was a little intimidated shooting that scene, just because one thing, It's like, hey, I'm shooting Sean Connery is on my team, and meanwhile, I'm giving commands to these guys who are actual Navy Seals. So that was a little little intimidating for him. I think he played a navy seal also in the Abyss, did he not? He did, so this would be his what his third time playing a navy seal. That's awesome. Michael Bean is awesome. He as an actor, he brings an intensity and kind of a real man type of feel. I've said this before on a film buy. You know, I had the opportunity to meet with him and hang out with him for a little bit. He wonderful conversationists. Uh, he's just he's the friendliest guy. He is so down to earth and just he enjoys talking to people. He enjoys you know, I get it. A lot of people want to ask about Terminator, they want to ask about Aliens.

13:18 But we didn't mention that. You know, we never had that talk. We just were talking about other things, and you know, primarily Australia, as I recall, he had been in He had been in Australia shooting a film and we just we just chatted about the land down under for a little bit. It was pretty awesome. The amount of restraint that you showed there not to bring up Terminator as. It listen, I own the bug stomper rebox that they wear in Aliens. I own a pair of those. Really, They're awesome. Yeah, And I was just it was just in my it just wanted to jump out of me. But I was like, you know what, he hears that stuff all the time. And I kind of feel like maybe the fact that we didn't talk Aliens and turn there is maybe one of the reasons why we we got the chat for him as long as we did, you know, about ten fifteen minutes, and it's like, hey, he might have something to go do, so maybe we need to, you know, walk away.

14:11 But it seems like you and I talked to us. I don't know if you remember this or not, but I think he got his start on the movie Grease. Yeah, playing basketball against Danny John Volta's character. He's on the basketball team in Greece. Yeah. I think he's the one that takes the slug in the stomach he does. Yeah. I love Michael Bean. I know we jumped. I we just ran there. But you know, sometimes sometimes that happens. You know. Back to some fun facts, a little behind the scenes stuff for you. Quentin Tarantino does some uncredited work on the script, doing a little little uh script doctoring. Okay, I watched this. I knew that ahead of time this, you know, I mean, I owned the film, seen it many times. So after learning that, I kind of watched it with my qt lin's on to try and figure out, Okay, where do I feel Quentin Tarantina's presence? And honestly you can.

15:06 You can feel his fingerprints on this, and it's it's just in that person. Like the little the little back and forth between certain characters. The dialogue I think is specific. Uh, you can't you can't deny the Mexican standoff at the end of this is ripped right out of the pages. Of True Romance, which he wrote. He wrote that script for, so sure, what next time you watch this, watch it going where is Quentin Tarantino. In this movie? Okay? And uh, you'll you. Know, I mean I could I could talk another twenty minutes like oh, then this scene and then that scene. But we're we're gonna move on because I gotta I gotta ask you this. This one, this one blew my mind. Let's see if I can blow your mind. Okay, So that's what you guys do on the show You Can't Be Serious podcast. Every time I listen to an episode, you guys are like what, I had no idea? Thank you, Jason.

15:51 Are you familiar with the Chilcot Inquiry? No, that does not ring a bell with me at all. I know you remember the ira War, you know, we all do. Sure that Chilcot inquiry was a British inquiry where they were kind of discussing what led what led Great Britain into the Iraq War. M I six revealed that they had received intel from a reliable source that Saddam Hussein was producing weapons of mass destruction. You know, that was the whole thing, Like weapons of mass destruction. Everyone was jumping into the fight because the weapons of mass destruction, right, that's what. Led Britain into the war. This this report, this from this this quote unquote reliable source.

16:33 Turns out that the source was a a false agent who had in fact lied about his reports and he had used the VX gas as his inspiration from the rock what yes describing weapons? The weapons that he described in this report that he's giving to to I six is all about these gas filled glass containers. Like it's he's just he's cribbing the rock left and right, gosh and think and think about that. Based on that, that's that's a heavy factor that that sends them into the war, the Iraq war. That is amazing, What a great nugget that is. I know, I just I couldn't believe it.

17:13 I was one of the writers was talking about it and said, any anyone that just took a minute to fact check would understand how just ridiculously stupid of an idea. That is the phill poison gas and like little glass balls. No one's gonna do that, like it we made it up. Was there was not a single nerd in the back corner going wait a minute, that's the. Rock one movie nerd in the in the war room going wait a minute, like the like the rockets that they use in the fire from Alcatraz, Like no one thought. To do that, Like it blows my mind. Man, you and I could have stopped the Iraq war. They invite us into the war room.

17:55 It's like, wait a minute, hold on, that's we're talking about VX gas rocket. That's not a real thing. You know, crazy, you know, and that's what you know, that's what the writer's talking about. Like like you know, we we were getting all these emails you know, it's it's funny to us, but at the same time it's tragic because we entered a war because of this report. So one other thing you see at the end of this movie, the films dedicated to producer Don Simpson. Yeah, just want to point out he and Jerry Bruckheimer, who think think about their think about their run in the late eighties early nineties. Incredible, yeah, huge, right, Every every big blockbuster that we saw in the summertime you had that little Simpson Bruckheimer logo on it, the.

18:40 Little lightning bolt thing. Yeah, little lightning bolt. Uh yeah. But he and he and Jerry Bruckheimer had agreed to dissolve their partnership once this film was finished. Bruckheimer was kind of fed up with Simpson's drug abuse problems. Huh. Sadly, Simpson did, in fact die from a drug drug abuse related heart failure before they finished shooting. So that's you know, you get the dedicated would love to Don Simms. I mean the titles, I mean Flash Dance, Beverly Hills, Copays, under Days, and Thunder. Yeah, an incredible run in the eighties and then drugs you know, yeah, I mean, thom Simpson is courage, just a nutty guy, you know.

19:20 Yeah, you know you mentioned Top Gun. I like that we get a little bit of a callback the Top Gun in this, and I believe you, you know, I think you and d on your Top Gun episode have kind of talked about, you know, that's a little ridiculous that they're having class in a in a giant hangar with a with the gigantic American flag. You know, you know, we might we might have talked about in our eighty six episode of Top Gun, but that just doesn't happen. And here here again we see it. We see it played out. You know, they're they're prepping the guys for this, uh this launch on Alcatraz. Yeah, so let's set up a little classroom in the in the air airplane hangar, in front of the in front of the jet that needs to pull out. That just it cracks me up. But you know it's it's one of those shots that it just looks awesome, So let's do it's awesome.

20:08 The only thing they could have done more would be played the star spangled banner while you watch I see you. Know, yeah, absolutely, Speaking of what they'd played, what did you think of Hans Zimmer's score here. It kind of faded in its back to the background for me a little bit. I like it, but it's not like I can hear, you know, I watched it recently, so I can hear a little bit in my head right now. But it's not memorable. Right, It's great, it's good. It's just not memorable. And I kind of wonder this is you know, you gotta think this is nineteen eighty six, so this this is the actually this is the first time that him and Michael Bay get together, you know, and it'll be like their first of many collaborations. But I don't know. I I think if we don't have Hans Zimmer do the Rock, we might not get Hans Zimmer doing you.

20:52 Know, Christopher Nolan stuff, or the Batman. Saying in film, yeah Gladiator, who knows. You know, you're probably right about that. I it was just kind of in the background for me. It's not the normal stand up. I mean, to me, a glad eator. His score just is up front and amazing, might. Be his best. So but yeah, it's good. All right, Well, let's talk. We got principal roles, we got supporting players, we got cameos, and or before they were famous. Let's start with the principles. Sean Connery as John Patrick Mason, a former SAS Captain. What I mean, what can you say? This guy is such as even at his age, he's awesome.

21:36 Yeah. Well, and you know, I'm not I'm not looking at Connory's filmography, but he kind of makes this resurgence in the nineties where he's back and he's back as an action hero. You know, I mean, you guys, you guys just now recently talked about Connery in Indiana Jones and The Last Crusade. You guys did this awesome Indiana Jones The Last Crusade versus Late The Weapon two, Thank you, one of your classic versus episodes. Thank you. Yeah, You're welcome. Connery had kind of been out of the limelight for a while, right, He's back as Henry Jones Senior in you know, nineteen eighty nine. Yeah, yeah, for sure, and it kind of kicks off like, Okay, Connory's back, but it seems like the mid nineties, he's he's on a he's on a roll here. He's got he's got the rock, He's got entrapment with Catherine Zeta Jones he's doing for about October Hunt for October. Yeah, he's he's back, but he's back as like an action icon in a sense.

22:32 So I mean I would even say that, you know, the Untouchables really gave him the rocket field that he needed. And then oh, good point he doubles down. Yes, and then in eighty you know, you got the Presidio in eighty eight, in eighty nine you get Indian Jones, The Last Crusade. Ninety you've got Hunt for Red October. Uh huh, You've got Medicine Man. Oh, I forgot about Medicine Man, which is still a kind of a thriller role Rising Sun with Wesley Snipes. Yep, you know, and then you get well, you get I think you got the Russia House mixed in there somewhere, and you get the rock and Entrapment, and then I mean he he really kind of had this huge resurgence as an action star in his sixties.

23:16 You know, it's amazing, and everything he's doing in this movie is perfect. I don't feel like there's any scene that doesn't work with Connory. They even I like the fact that they kind of reference his age in a fun way, and respectfully, you know he's even doing it, like he's talking about you know, he tells h he tells Nicholas Cage's character like, Hey, the last time I swam this channel, I was your age. You know, thirty years he's been rotten in a prison. So you know, I know we're going to talk about this, but I got to tease it up now. The incredible correlation that we're going to talk about here in a minute between I know what you're character and a former character is Oh yeah, people's socks off.

24:00 We're gonna get to that for sure. Okay, but before we do, let's, uh, let's talk about Nicholas Cage as ah as Stanley Goodspeed. Right, Yes, Jason, here's something that I still can't believe until I didn't. I didn't believe it until this actor confirmed it. Uh he he confirmed us in a Reddit. A m A. Okay, the role of Stanley good Speed was originally offered to Arnold Schwarzenegger. Think about that for a second. We were this close to having a movie where it's like, dah, I'm Stanley goold Speed with the FBI.

24:41 Guys. Yeah, it's VXS go to Alcatraz. Had so much fun, man Arnold did not like the script at the time, and and he claims that his script wasn't even finished. It was kind of half baked, still had some pencil notes on it. He just was like, now I'm not doing this. He regrets not doing it now, but I just I just think the movie and the dynamic of the movie would be completely different because Arnold's not gonna play the goofy, you know, FBI guy. He's gonna play Arnold, And so now you've got like you've got alpha and you've got alpha. You know. It would have been more like a like a Last Crusade situation, you know, with like Harrison Ford. So this could have been a big I think it would have been as big, maybe even bigger.

25:30 We think that would have been a lot of fun. I do think that you needed that character to take a back seat to Connery, and he needed to be Goofy. I do think Cage's performance is a little bit over the top for my taste. But uh so, Cage, what. This is, This is this is before conn Air. This is this is before Cage the action star right right. And his main draw to this movie was the fact that critics were saying he will never play an action film. He'll he'll never do an action film because he he doesn't have the chops for it. And he took he took offense to that. So he's like, okay, well let me let me show you what I can do. Uh. That's where he kind of he puts on some size.

26:12 He gets a little bit, you know, he gets that that Cage physique, that nineties Cage physique, which is uh, I read a fun story where they're talking about he's got that weird that weird scene where you know, he's he's been at the office at the beginning that he nearly gets gets blown up with that poisoned doll. Yep, and he's back home sitting in a chair naked with a guitar covering his his his business and he's just hanging out. And apparently that was all Cage like, Michael Bay did not need to film him nude, but Cage insisted, and you know, Bay points out, look, look, Nicholas Cage just wanted to show off his hysique. Meanwhile, Nicholas Cage says, Hey, I just wanted to show this guy relaxing at home.

26:57 So maybe Nicholas Cage just like relax at home in the nude, you know, with the with the guitar. Yeah, I'm not gonna follow you that, but yeah, yeah. A lot of his uh, a lot of his his dialogue was ad libbed apparently too you. It was he saying when he tells get that thing away from me, you a hole? Or yeah, well and another It's a weird quirk, but Nicholas Cage made the made the suggestion, Hey, this guy should never use profanity. So we get a hole, we get Bruce his butthole, we get freaking we get g whiz like he Yeah. And my theory on this and I know we again, we're gonna get to a bigger theory at the end of this episode. But my theory is that he was going for like a Clark Kent type of type of thing. He's a huge Superman fan.

27:49 He loves loves the Man of Steel. So I think, like when you watch this also knowing that you can kind of get his his Clark Kent like, you know, I think he almost played Superman on that Tim Burton film, So that's interesting. Yeah, I can see this is maybe this is a little bit of what Nick Cage. Nick Cage's Clark Kent could have been We See in the Rock is what I'm thinking. I dig it, all right? Ed Harris as General Hummel this is I'm gonna go ahead and say this is probably my second favorite Ed Harris performance. Ooh ooh, okay, Yeah, the Abyss gotta be the Abyss.

28:30 Bud in the Abyss is Yeah, me too. I'm all in on the Bond. I'm all in for the Abyss Virgil. But General Hummell this is. This is a situation where, yeah, he's the main villain of this film, but is he a villain? How bad really is he? Yeah? It's I I wrestle with this because I I understand he's gotta be the the antagonist, but I'm not gonna call him a villain because you have to kind of buy into his mission. You gotta, you gotta go along with him. Even Michael's characters like, hey, god knows, I'm I don't I agree with you when they have their standoff. But I appreciate the fact that he's just looking out for the men's families that died under his command.

29:11 I love that about his character. Honestly. First of all, his mission is great. I love it. I agree with it. You know, he's looking at for his men, and he does get a lot of marines killed trying to save you know, others. But to me, it's almost like it's almost like Ed Harris was given the script to a different movie and somebody said, listen, you are a war hero who is going to bat for This is a drama, and you're going to bat for your soldiers. And they gave Conrie and Cage something completely different, and then they weaved it together. He he is so serious in this movie and dramatic and on point.

29:53 I love his performance. You mentioned when we started this one what this could have been. You know, you just give it a little nudge. You are one hundred percent right in that assessment, because I feel like Ed Harris is reading a script that is a military thriller. Yeah, and everyone else has the fun summer blockbuster script. Yeah. You know, he's you know, it's and it's kind of like, don't tell Ed what we're doing, right he is, He's And there's some I I mentioned this to you a week or two ago. There's some great outtakes with Ed on on set not having.

30:34 A good day, you know, blowing his top. Yeah, and It's not that he's blowing his top at anyone. He's just getting frustrated in the moment because he's he's flubbing his lines and uh man on point. And on top of that, he's been on record, is you know he kind of him and Michael Bay Kanda, you know, there's a little bit of friction just because Bay wants to film everything from every angle and Ed Harris is like, let me do my thing. Let me get in the kitchen and cook yep and show you what I can do. And we've got extreme close ups we got you know, he even Ed Harris has said, like, look, this guy shot it from the side, from the front, close, from under.

31:18 It's just everywhere you look, there's a camera pointed at you, and it's just too much. But ultimately, I like, I like, I love his performance, I love I love what he's doing this and I don't I don't entirely disagree with what he does. Yeah, he's awesome. Ed Harris, former Oklahoma Sooner. I know you're back at him for you know that, Yeah, that's right. Supporting players, we we we kind of jumped the gun, so to speak. With Michael Bean as Commander Anderson love what he's doing in this. Let's talk about those Yeah, awesome as always. Let's let's talk about William Forsyth plays Paxton. Yep, here's my question to you, because I've watched this a bunch of times. Does Paxton answer to director or the is the FBI? Like, I don't really.

32:04 They had that quick meet and greet right before they go into interview Mason, and he's just like, good speed. This is Paxton. He you know, he's what the I don't even know what he says, but it just seems like Paxton is not in the FBI. He's got you know, he's just there to kind of give a gravelly voice every once in a while. He's there to look good with a mustache. William Forsyth. I love Forsyth. He's he's awesome everything. This is his second time working with Nicholas Cage too. Think about the raising Arizona. Oh I didn't even think about that. Good call. Yeah. Another another throwback to uh to a to a William Forsyth film. That that I love is a Cloak and Dagger. Remember he played the he played I think it was more the computer nerd. Yeah, the store, the video game store, because remember he has that little that little throw a line like, yeah, I've read all the cloak and dagger stuff.

32:58 When they're talking about John Mason. I love when. I love when writers do that, or if that was an ad lib from Forsyth, I love that. I love when actors kind of call out some of. Their past work. And he's great, he's he's he's a he's the good, he's a he's a good straight man for the comedic stuff that's happening to this, I think, yes, for sure. And he and he has what you know, in a movie that is kind of jammed with what I feel is unintentional comedy. He has one of the more funnier lines for me, when you know everything goes wrong at Alcatraz and you know Nicholas Cage is like, well we got a situation here. He's he's got a gun, sir, and what do you have? A fucking water pistol? I laugh every time I hear that line.

33:40 Man, he's good, he's good. Yeah, let's talk about another Let's talk about a famous that guy, John Spencer is the he's fd FBI director Womack, right, we meaning. Right, wes Wing. I think west Wing is like probably he's most famous for you did like one hundred and fifty five episodes of that. But before West Wing, he was in War Games in eighty three, Wow, Miamivice, Miami Vice in eighty six. You know, you gotta wonder did Michael Bay meet him when they're on the set of Miami Vice. Yeah, he did. Presumed Innocent in nineteen ninety. He did Copland in ninety seven. We talked about The Negotiator in ninety eight, and I think he had a pretty extensive run on La Law before he hit West Wing. So he's one of those guys, like he's se him in so many movies. Again, he's that guy, right, not a big filmography, though not as big as a fomography as you think.

34:35 Sadly, he passed away in two thousand and five. He had a heart attack. He was only fifty eight years old. Yeah, that's that's too bad. I mean he really was a strong that guy, you know. Absolutely, and he always played. Like the lieutenant or the chief for the you know, he's he he commands respect. I think he's he has that that that that authority. I love the lawyers too of this movie. That I mean, he is Mason's antagonist. You know. Yes, he's like his own personal bad guy, you know. Uh huh so, And let's be honest, he he pretty much did John Mason wrong. You know, you can't lock someone up without a trial for thirty years.

35:17 Let's just lock him up forgot about him? Yeah, do away the key, yep, Jason. Let's talk. Let's talk about before they were famous. We got two very very talented, very lovely actresses to discuss. Vanessa Marcel plays Carlos Stanley's Stanley's girlfriend. Yes, so before she had done this performance, she was in Prince's music video The Most Beautiful Girl in the World nineteen ninety four. Yeah, have you ever seen that video? It's been a while. It's a little cringey. You know. Prince is kind of gallivant and in this very form fitting body suit that it looks like it was crocheted, like something like mamm All gave him.

36:03 And oh man, okay. You know these women are just coming in and they're sitting on this red velvet couch and then they're looking at the screen and it's like their I guess, like their best moments or their most beautiful moments. You know, women of all shapes and sizes, like, you know, because it's they're the most beautiful girl in the world. She she has like a bit role. She she's like an actress winning like an Academy Award for like a you know, a couple of seconds in it. She does she have pigtails in that? No, sadly she does not. She's wearing like a Marilyn Moroe looking kind of address. But you got to say, you know, she she kind of becomes a fixture on nineties television after after what she does here in the Rock. You know, she's got roles on General Hospital, Beverly Hills nine O two one oh, Spend City. She probably i'd say her probably her most famous stint is she played Sam Marquez on Las Vegas with Jims con Yes, yeah, on her net, Like I think she was like in every episode of that show.

37:01 So I think so she's I mean, she is stunning in this movie. She's stunning. Why why didn't we see more of her? And what I mean by that is like, shouldn't she have had a bigger career? She could have easily been in a thousand other late nineties you know, she could have been the role played by Karen Duffy and dumb and dumber. I mean, you know, it's just she could have been in everything. You know, she could have been America's sweetheart as far as I'm concerned. By the way, I don't know if you you didn't mention this yet, but I sent you a picture she was married to Corey Feldman. Yeah, and I'm glad that you reminded me of that, because I think we just answered the question as to why she didn't become some megastar in the nineties, because look, you and I we love Corey Feldman. In the eighties, he could do no wrong. Right the nineties, things get a little weird. Yeah, Corey Feldman, and by like the late nineties, early two thousands, he I hate it. But the guy, I mean, the guy's a train wreck right now.

38:06 Like the stuff he's doing is just it's absurd. And you gotta wonder, like if he was kind of calling the shots, if he was kind of kind of mentoring her, or you know, looking after he was the. Big star when they were married exactly. So maybe maybe that's why we don't see more of her in the nineties. But I'll tell you who, we saw a lot of is Claire for Lannie, she plays Sean Connery's daughter Jade Angelou. Yep. Before this movie, Jason, she I gotta go back and watch this. I don't want to watch it, but I gotta watch it now because of this. Her film debut, she does Plice Academy Mission to Moscow in nineteen ninety four. Oh are you serious? Yeah? I think that was the last place Academy movie too.

38:49 I think I think that's right eighty nine. If I'm not mistaken, Well, mission Moscow's was ninety four. Oh ninety four. I'm sorry, never mind, Yeah, got that. I will you know, I she can't for me, I'll always remember her. You know. She played Brandy s Finning in mal Rats, Kevin Smith's movie nineteen ninety five. Let me tell you how hard this woman's working though. From her debut in nineteen ninety two in a film called Gypsy Eyes up until twenty twenty, there's only been three years where she wasn't featured in a film. Think about that. Every year she's in at least one film from ninety two to twenty twenty. That's fantasting.

39:30 Yeah, great run. And you know those three years, you know she wasn't you know, like twenty ten, she didn't put out a film, but she was doing CSI New York. And then you know, twenty fourteen, twenty fifteen, she you know, maybe she decides, hey, I think I'll take a break now. And ever since twenty twenty one, she's been She's also been doing TV. She's on a show called Domina. So good for her. Yeah, I mean, small role in this movie, but I don't know, I always like her when she she pops up important, you know, it's small but very important. Yeah. She she gives us, Uh, she gives us some information that we'll use here later in this theory that we want to talk about. You know, she's kind of given some background information on John Mason. So absolutely, well, I know we're going to get to that, but before we do, let's take one last break, and then I think it'll be time that we start keeping it real. We are back, and uh, Jason, is it time to start keeping it real? Yes?

40:34 But before we do, I've got to drop one last nugget on you. Okay, what do you got for me? All right? Here is an actor who's making a cameo in The Rock. Okay, hold on, So we we always do. We just did, we just did. Before they were famous. I didn't think, are you sure there's a cameo, because I don't remember a cameo? Who do you got? Okay as one of the fighter pilots in the Rock Okay, Jim Caviezel what Jim cavisl Jesus Jesus Christ, he's in this movie? Are you kidding me? Yes, he's one of the fighter pilots. That is a blink and you miss it moment like, yes, Jim Covizel jumping in an F sixteen for like, that's crazy.

41:19 There you go. I wonder if I saw I'm assuming, well now I see. Now I gotta go back and watch it again because now I'm wondering if he's the fighter pot you know, there's they kind of pull up, they get the abort, and then one guy was like I just dropped it like he you know, like one guy kind of hit the fire button before just you know. I'm not sure which one is which, but yeah. I'm gonna I'm gonna go back and watch it. Listen to that, listen to that voice, and if it's if it happens to be a a heavenly voice. I'll know that's that's that's Jim Cavizel. Now that's there. You go there, you go, oh wow, that's good one man. Uh, all right, well we gotta keep it real here. Okay, So, Jason, you've answered these questions before. I got three questions for you. Okay, let's start with one of our favorite actors, WILLIAMS. Zopka, who was dominating Dojo's high school cafeterias and college swimming pools in some of the best movies in the eighties, and then he's notably absent from Hollywood for most of the nineties, most not all, but most so. The question is what about zob Jason replaced one actor from this film with William Zopka. Who do you got?

42:28 I am putting William Zopka in the role that Gregor Lee Spiletto played. Captain Fry was He he's. The younger captain who's kind of kind of unhinged, right. He's kind of the psychopath at the end, who still wants to bomb San Francisco. He kind of woh yeah. He's he's the one that eats the the LASTPX gas ball, that's it. He wants to watch it all burn. I could see Zapka playing playing that guy, you know, slightly unhinged see people die well. I mean, Zopka is an American hero from the eighties, so I don't know about all that, but he could go off. He could he could go against character. He could play a villain for one villain. Yeah that yeah, that that's it's a physical role. He clearly is. He's got more screen time than most of the the rogue Marines that that are under General Hummel's commands. So all right, I like that. Okay, I'm going big though. William Zopka is Stanley Goodspeed. Really yes, think about this. I even saw the scene in my head when when Mason challenges good Speed about being a field agent. He could he could counter. He could be like, hey man, I'm maybe not, but I'm a black belt in karate. You know, I won the under All Valley in eighty four. I could have seen this as like, this could have been the William Zobka action film that

43:59 makes him an action stuff. I mean, why not. Yeah, he's got the physicality, he's got the he's got the looks, he's got the talent. He could have done it. He could have played and he could have. He could have played that quirkiness that that Nicholas Cage does. Maybe not as weird as Nick Cage does, but I think I think he could have pulled it off. Man, he's got the touch. Yeah, he could. Have done a sequel, prequel, remake, Jason. I want to talk about this one I got. I got one that I think is gonna work for you. But before I before I tell you mine and ask you about yours, I will tell you that. In twenty seventeen, Michael Bay revealed that, following the success of The Rock he had an idea for a sequel involving Stanley Goodspeed being on the run from the FBI because he's got the microfilm, okay, and good Speed.

44:50 Was gonna call on John Mason to help him escape. I mean that sounds like fun. I'd be out of it with fun. Yeah, I mean, I don't know. I don't know what happened. I don't know if it was one of those like I got this idea and he never maybe he never pursued it. I would think when a movie that is but you know, has a seventy five million dollar budget and makes three hundred and thirty five million I would think that the studios would be like, hey, whatever you say, man, like, let's go, let's make it right. They did not. Uh so, my my, my ask. Of you is, if you were in control, what would be your pitch to the studio. You're doing a sequel, a prequel, or a remake. This is an easy call, I mean, and it's such low hanging fruit. But it's the prequel. It's the it's the prequel. It's the prequel, right.

45:34 Yep, what's your prequel? Do you have it? Well, it's it's it's John Mason's escape from Alcatraz. Okay, and do you want to hear about it? Yeah? All right, because that's I'm with you. I'm with you on a prequel. So maybe let me pitch you. Okay, Yeah, let's hear it. The film is called The Guest of Alcatraz, a sixties period thriller starring James McAvoy as John Patrick Mason, a British intelligence agent unlawfully held without trial for crimes against the US until he escapes the famously inescapable prison. Take my money, let's take my money, right, Yeah, let's go.

46:16 I've been on a McAvoy kick lately. We you know, we did split last you know, this this past Tuesday, last Tuesday, and then you know he's got that new movie coming out next month, that that thriller. He looks like a psycho in that one as well. Yeah, yeah, he's definitely gonna be a psycho in that. But you know, I was thinking, like, who plays a young Sean Connery, you know, like a sixty Sean Connery. I think McAvoy could do it. I think you're right. Yeah, he's got the tensity. But he can be kind of fun. I mean he could, he could. He's a chameleon, charming but roguish. Yeah, yep, so DVD extras. In nineteen ninety six, the DVD format is initially introduced to US markets. The simplicity of the compact disc compleased us.

46:57 The high definition wowedest and we start throwing all our VH tips out the window. But Jason, for centophiles like you and I, the exclusive special features were usually at no frills package of a scene selection, French or Spanish subtitles. If you're lucky, you got a trailer. So I'm gonna ask you what DVD extra would you want on your DVD for this film? An in character audio commentary I'm making of documentary or the recently included the Amber Lewis Actors Roundtable. What do you? What do you got? Once again, this is too easy, it's low hanging fruit.

47:39 But I'm going with the Amber Lewis Actors Roundtable. You always do this, this is your go to man. I love it, I know. But here's the reason why. Let me let me just tell you why. Yeah, because you've got such depth from movies that we love here from I mean we're talking, I mean, you got all the stories from Shawn kan, you got all the stories from Nick Cage, You've got Ed Harris, Michael Bean, John mcgilly, I mean all these people. David Morse, he's been some great movies. Wayam Forsyth. He can tell you about Steven Seagal and John Goodman all in the same So I like all of these guys. I would love to hear you know. Plus you've got Tony Todd to tell us Candy Man stuff as well.

48:24 So all right, so I'm I'm gonna challenge you here. Okay, So I knew you, I knew I knew you were gonna go with the Amber Lewis Actors Round table. Yeah, And to be fair, the Criterion Collection DVD has the commentary, it has the making of documentaries and a whole lot more. Okay, does not have an actor's round table, so I would I'm going with the same thing. But I'm here's my challenge to you, and again, this is twenty minutes as a DVD extra. You are not gonna get Sir Sean Connery or Nicholas Cage or Ed Harris. You can have Michael Bay and you can have two other guys. Who you going for? Okay? I take Michael Bay. I take Michael Bean. Yeah, and I take David Morse good, Paul.

49:12 We didn't even talk about David Moose Again. I hate that we didn't have time to talk about all the supporting players in this movie. But there's just so many. I mean, everyone under Humble's command is somebody that we could have talked about for a little bit. I feel like, so yeah, for sure, for sure, good choice, good choice. Moving right along, let's talk about the film's legacy. Would you say this is a classic, a cult classic, or just a product of the nineties classic. It's got to be a classic, right, I mean, it still holds up and when we talk about this film being a strong representation of nineties culture. You gotta look back to Womack who orders Mason to draw the seals a blueprint, you know, and then Sean Conners.

49:57 Like, I can't my blue printer was like my head. I feel like this, this film is the blueprint for creating a successful action movie, especially in the nineties. And you know that Michael Bay. Look, I feel like he kind of cemented it with this film. Every Michael Bay movie after this is going to be successful because of The Rock and because of and it's gonna look like it's gonna be stylized like The Rock. I feel I feel like this gave us a flavor of movie for sure. It did. Now we always like to talk about how these films from ninety six impacted pop culture, if at all. Jason, I think now would be a great time to discuss the James Bond theory.

50:59 You and I have been waiting week to talk about this. We have been exchanging phone calls and text messages about this, and so here we are. I love this, the idea that John Mason is actually James Bond. Let's let's set this up so we we've got people listening that have seen The Rock, They've seen plenty of James Bond movies and right now they're going, what, how how is John Mason James Bond. It's I'm in the same name. So you know, let's let's let's get into this, Jason. Let's because you We've got a great timeline. I know. There's been some great videos on YouTube that have addressed this. Our friend Van all on Plexico, he talked about this on his podcast on Her Majesty's Secret Podcast, which is if you're a.

51:43 Bond fan, you got to check that out. It's fantastic. We've had Van on the show before we we he did Moonraker with us on our film at forty five series a couple months ago. We Evan died the Bond Girl Draft. He did the Bond Girl draft with us, right, yeah, uh, and Van, Van's definitely wanted to listen to on this subject. But uh, let's talk about how this could how this possibly could be, and whether or not you and I believe it to be. You know, you you can you know, I learned this in school a long time ago. You can support a theory, you can refute a theory, but you can't prove a theory, but I feel like this is one where maybe we're gonna prove it. So okay, I'm gonna do my best. So this let's just say this right laptop, this is not from me.

52:26 There's a guy on YouTube. His name it's Pentax Productions. He came up with this great timeline and you and I've been watching it all week. So in The Rock, John Spencer clearly sets it up that John Mason worked for the British government. He's an SAS agent, He's one of the best, he was trained by the best, and about thirty years ago he broke out of Alcatraz. Okay, y, yes, and Sean Connery's John Mason even says as much to Nicholas Cage. You know, he's like, I was trained by the best, you know, British intelligence. British intelligence sounds an awful lot like a guy we know, right, absolutely it does. So we also know this for sure.

53:08 Alcatraz closed on March twenty first, nineteen sixty three. Yes, so that means that his incarceration and escape happened before nineteen sixty three, before March twenty first, nineteen sixty three. Yes, here's the deal. James. You know, it has been put forth that James Bond is a code name, right, and that everybody who holds the double O seven slot has the code name of James Bond. Well that's not true. We know that's not true because when James Bond gets married and on Her Majesty's Secret Service his wife's name, she becomes Teresa Bond. Ye, right, And let's let's not forget Skyfall. We see his parents' graves and their name is Bond.

53:50 So clearly that's his real name, James Bond, Yes, yes, And John Mason is the code name. And we've seen it through the Bond movies that he does take who names. He's done that in many of the Bond films where he's given a fake name because he's undercover. You know. Sometimes he's bold obviously and he just Bond James Bond, and sometimes he gives a fake name. So why not why not a fake name like John Mason? I think in What A View two a Kill, it's John James Sinchon Spye. Ye Sinchon spite Yep, Roger Moore Sinchin Smith. So and then other people have said, well, this doesn't really hold water because em wouldn't let him just sit in the prison, right, Yeah, if he was arrested, M would get him out. Well we see and die another day that M did let him rode in prison for over a year.

54:42 Yeah. And the other reason PRIs pres Yeah. That's right. The only reason she got him out is because she was concerned he was going to give secrets away. He did not chew the sinad capsule that is given to all double o's, so they made the exchange because she was afraid that he was going to leak secrets. That's right. So it makes sense that they, you know, if John Mason ergo James Bond is captured by US agents and what it would have been sixty two. So we're talking like what after doctor No, Doctor No. Yeah, it makes sense that, you know, they would say, nope, we don't know who that is. We don't claim John Mason, we don't know. Yeah. So so far the theory, The theory holds water.

55:22 As far as I'm concerned. Okay, so far nineteen sixty two. You have the movie Doctor No. It was clearly set in nineteen sixty two because you can still see the British flag under the Jamaica capital Jamaica havings independence in nineteen sixty two. So we know Doctor No is set in nineteen sixty two. Okay, and Doctor No, you know, he blows up Doctor No's lair. You have all these guys that are getting arrested. He and Honey Ryder are in this boat the US Navy has taking them home. Well, he disconnects from the Navy because he wants to make out with Honey Ryder. Yeah, he kind of that's the the rope slip. And you know, I'm not gonna blame you for that. That's we'd all do that same thing. Yeah, but yeah, but then he clearly gets picked up by other you know, Coastguard personnel and they're gonna they're gonna.

56:14 Haul him in, right, they're gonna ris That's right, he's you know, they throw him in the Guantana Guantanamo Bay equivalent, and then that leads to Alcatraz. Right. Okay, Here's here's the interesting thing in Doctor No. Doctor No was shooting off Titan rockets. He was taking charge of these rockets in Cape Canaveral actual life events. Titan rockets were launched from Cape Canaveral in nineteen sixty two which I thought was fascinating. Also, we think that the Alcatraz theory that he was held in Alcatraz between the events of Doctor No and From Russia with Love. Russia with Love we know was set in nineteen sixty three. We also know that Alcatraz again was closed March twenty first, nineteen sixty three.

57:00 At the beginning of From Russia with Love, Sylvia Trench is his love interest. She's like, where did you go for six months? You vanished for six months? I completely forgot about that. Yeah, okay, okay. So and here's the thing. We know that Mason stolled the microfilm from the FBI. Right, Yeah, that's what LENDSII. What's that's that's what landshim in the in the in prison right right? And so that included in this microfilm, as we know because Stanley mentions it at the end of the movie. Is who actually assassinated JFK which happens in what sixty three sixty three eleven twenty two sixty three. Yeah, so we know that he's captured sometime after nineteen sixty three and putting back in Alcatraz. Okay, he's recaptured.

57:51 Right, Yep. Here's the deal, we know that his daughter was born after nineteen seventy two. Womack gives us that clue because he he mentions that in the rock. You know, that's right, his daughter she was born nineteen seventy two. She tells us that she and her you know, her mom and John Mason hook up after a led Zeppelin concert. And factually led Zeppelin was on tour and was North America, North America at that time, so that's also it all tracks. Still, that's right. Now, here's the deal. One more thing I'm gonna give you here, so we know that she was born sometime nineteen seventy two ish. Yeah, the events of Diamonds Are Forever take place in nineteen seventy one.

58:42 When he would have been unincarcerated. So basically what we're saying is he does this thing with doctor No, he's arrested, incarcerated in Alcatraz, he escapes and then goes back to living and as James Bond and doing his missions. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely, So here's the deal. In nineteen seventy one, Diamonds Are Forever takes place. I could make the argument that Claire Fulani looks like plenty O tool from Diamonds Are Forever. Okay, I'm gonna I'm gonna help you out with this, Okay. I want you to think about this. When Stanley Goodspeed introduces himself to John Mason and he says, I'm Stanley Goodspeed, and he says, but of course you are else. Yes, Sean Connery delivers that exact line to plenty o Tool in Diamonds Are Forever when she announces her name.

59:36 It's exactly right. I could see him. Okay, it's his catchphrase. It's you know, I like it. This works, man. I'm telling you. The Rock is the James Bond film that happens after Diamonds Are Forever. Okay, listen, I got one more for you. It's gonna blow your sax off. Okay. Okay. At the end of Diamonds Are Forever, Bond and Tiffany Case get on the USS Canberra. It's a cruise ship, okay, and you have the two guys from Diamonds Are Forever, mister Wint and mister Kidd. They actually try to assassinate Bond and Timany Case on this cruise ship. Okay. Do you know where this cruise ship sailed out.

1:00:18 Of my first guest would be Florida. It's San Francisco. Yo, It's San Francisco. So he Bond is in San Francisco at the time that this all lines. Up, nineteen seventy one. We can place Bond in San Francisco nineteen seventy one. I'm gonna say, in a world where the James Bond universe it like ends and begins with with Sean Connery. This is the final James Bond film to Sean Connery's tenure, and it just it makes perfect sense. Everything lines up, all the dates line up, and I absolutely love this theory. I've got one more for you that I think is pretty darn. Good, okay, or you got more?

1:00:58 Okay, I got more? Okay. So the events of You Only Live Twice, which happened in nineteen sixty seven, okay, Yeah, Bond's death is publicized in a newspaper says name of. Murdered. Yeah, he's killed at the very beginning of You Only Live Twice. They fake his death to get Blofeld and all these guys off of his trail. Yeah, I remember that. Well. Francis Hummel At Harris's character from The Rock, Yeah, we know he was a in Vietnam. He was at the Tet offensive sixty eight. They holidayed in Hong Kong in nineteen sixty seven, which is where this newspaper article was published in Hong Kong in nineteen sixty seven.

1:01:44 So in theory, Francis Hummel, who was probably a captain at that point in Vietnam, potentially could have been reading the newspaper that a British commander was murdered. And maybe just maybe he didn't feel that he received the you know, the did he was not taken care of by the government the way that he wanted him to hed taken care of. Maybe he yeah, maybe he didn't receive the military honors that he he was earned, right. And maybe that's right, And maybe this newspaper article causes Francis Hummel to reevaluate his own government. Yeah, one, one one, what like maybe the straw that broke the camel's back, so to speak?

1:02:27 What do you think, man? I think we have a James Bond film on our hand, is what I think. Honestly, he too. I love it. I absolutely love it, man, I absolutely love it. Well, Jason, like rockets launching from Alcatraz, the surely you can't be serious. Podcast is launching new episodes every Tuesday on the streaming platform of our choice. I got to ask, what is next for you and d Man. We're right in the middle of our Revenge of the Nerds versus Animal House. We've got a part one Part two. I think we're right in the middle of that. That's a lot of fun going back to college with those guys. This is this is college? What college in seventy eight and college in eighty four?

1:03:07 Yeah? Yeah, I love well the first episode, I you know, I that was. That was this past Tuesday. Absolutely loved loved it. I can't wait for part two. Thank you guys. You guys are not my socks off every every Tuesday. I love I love it. Yeah, thank you very much. I'm looking forward to your final judgment too, Like I think I know where you're gonna land, but you know I won't. I won't say okay, very good, I'll wait. Sometime after that. You and I and Van Allen Plexico and David Wright and Pat Cannagallo are gonna get together and we're going to have a bond theme song draft. Yes, it's gonna be fun. That may Pier a couple of months down the road, but looking forward to that Bond.

1:03:48 I'm I, for one, am looking forward to that. I know last year we had a great time talking. It was our first draft and we drafted the Bond. The Bond girls. I loved. I loved the Bancher with those guys. I'm looking forward to this one. It's gonna be a blast, man, it is. It's gonna be a lot of fun. Well, listeners, we hope you've had a lot of fun. We want to thank you as always for listening to today's nineteen ninety six episode. We are halfway through this limited series and if we haven't yet covered your favorite movie from nineteen ninety six, there's still time to hit us up on social media or email us to share your requests. You can do that at www dot a film by podcast dot com. You'll find us on Facebook, Instagram, and X Jason and I got a bounce. But next time on nineteen ninety six, we'll discuss Tom Cruise, failed sports Agents, and the Kwan when we kick off football season with Jerry McGuire. Peace Out,