Phasers Set To Stun: Strange New Worlds S3.E9 Terrarium

0:01 Space the Final Frontier. Join us for a bold conversation our prime directive to recap our favorite Star Trek shows, both new and old, to engage in debate about all things Trek. Prepare to energize with Phasers Set to Stunt. Hello everyone, and welcome back to Phasers Set to Stunt.

0:43 In this ongoing series from a film by podcast, we continue to show our love for every quadrant of the expanding Star Trek universe by covering television, animation, movies, directors, merchandise, and much more. Plotting the course. As always, it's your Core Trek crew. I'm Scott Hoffmann, I'm David Burns, and I'm Wayne White. And in this episode, we're continuing our coverage of Strange New Worlds Season three. Specifically, we're covering episode nine Terrarium, written by Alan B. McElroy and directed by Andrew Kots. I think that's is that the way to say it? Coots? Sure, sure, tell us in you're kind. Since it's so new, we're calling for a red alert on spoilers. If you haven't seen this latest episode, please go and watch and come back to join us when you're done. All right, Dave, let's break it down, tell us what this episode is all about.

1:31 Well, first, Scott, I want to say, welcome back. I want to know, has anyone noticed Scott isn't around when Pellia is around, and it's vice versa. It's no, no, no, no, don't don't look at don't look at the pelly behind the ground. They're never in the same room together. Something to think about. Okay, because he's not in this episode. To here, Scott, You guys did a great job of the last episode. That was an amazing, amazing episode. So I'm sorry I. Missed that, but I'm sorry you missed it because it was a good episode. Yeah, all right, let's dive into this. One, all right. The Enterprise is on a mission exploring a part of the galaxy that has some strange phenomenon that not even Spock can explain. Erica is put in charge of taking a shuttle on a solo motion into a nebula to get some readings the Enterprise can't get, but upon doing this, a wormhole opens up and takes Erica and the shuttle. The Enterprise desperately tries to find her quickly as they are under pressure to get a medication to some colonists. After escaping the wormhole, Erica crash lands on a moon where her only survival is to befriend an enemy at Gorn that she discovers has crash landed as well. They work together against all odds that seem almost impossible, only discover in the end that there were nothing more than labyrats and an experiment to see what would happen when two enemies are forced to help each other, in a callback to a very famous episode of the original Star Trek known as the Arena.

2:52 Yeah, I don't know what it is about rude aliens kidnapping us for experiments, but it gets yeah tiresome. In this episode, it didn't. I'll start off with first reactions to this episode. This one caught me by surprise in so many ways. But I'm very glad that I was surprised by my expectation that we were going to lose Erica. Every time there's some ortagis focus, I think, oh, this is it. They're they're building this up. But I was pleasantly surprised by this one. I go ahead about you. I was I was too to be a surprise on this and because once I learned what was going on, I felt like, this is going to fall into that trope trap that you know we've we've seen this a few other times. I know the next generation did it with the Enemy, but it was Romulins instead of a Gorn, and I felt like, again, let's talk about the end of the movie Enemy mind. But you know, I really enjoyed this episode a lot. It really shined on Eric Ortegas in this episode. And another thing that I really liked too was the Gorn. The design of the Gorn.

4:01 I swore it straight from the Dark Crystal, the way the way they had designed the Gorn, and I love that about it. I loved how they had to work together to communicate with one another. I thought that was incredibly well done. You know, agree, disagree, you know, I love that about it. But no, I thought Erica was fantastic and an episode she needed to heal, even though the way it ended was yet another depressing ending. For crying out loud with what happens to the Gorn. I when she blew her lid at the ending, like that just upset, you know, screaming. You know I was too. I was like so upsets, say, oh my god, you just killed this Gorn and you didn't need to do that.

4:42 But and she even stated at the end of the episode, you know, you know the Gorn was my friend, Elann's my friend. How did I process that? You know? So I loved this episode for. Erica, Wayne, what about you? Yeah, this really surprised me to this is not the direction I thought they were going to be going with this story. First of all, I didn't think we'd ever see the Gorn again. Actually physically I'm glad we did. But you know, with the when they when we first saw that or Tagus was suffering from the PTSD from agim Andy, I just I didn't think this is the way it was going to end, with her having a completely new outlook on the Gorn, realizing that they're not exactly the monsters you know that everyone thought they were.

5:31 I really thought it was going to be a different direction, and I wasn't sure if she was going to survive the season or not. To tell you the truth, it was fifty to fifty in my opinion, because we really don't know if she was coming back next season or not. There's never been anything that's been said, but I'm glad that they did this did it this way. I thought it was a fantastic episode. It's definitely stories that we've seen many many times before in Star Trek, and I'll mention it later, but it works. It really those times the stories work for Star Trek, you know, taking one character and throwing in with the enemy on a planet. It just seems to work all the time on the episodes. And I'm glad that you chose or tag us for this because I think all of us agree that we needed an episode strictly about her. She needed something that that centered on her, and this was perfect for her.

6:23 And that ending. It's so open ended, you know, I'm worried that they're going to just forget this. I hope they don't, but this whole I don't know that the tension now that's going to come up between or take us in Lawn. I hope that they explore that next episode or at least next season, because this is something that I think that there's a lot of dramatic possibility in the storyline for this, and I'm hoping that they don't fall into that whole Star Trek trope and just you know, forget about it next week. Yeah. You know, one of the things that I I really love to I talked about Erica needed this for her healing.

7:04 Just the one scene where she falls asleep comfortably next to the gorn. I thought that scene with perfect and it was needed because it showed Erica was like, Okay, you know, I've made friends with this gorn. I get it now. Sure there's still enemies, don't get me wrong, but you know, at that moment, you realized Erica has pushed through her PTSD to a point and now she's going to have it with Lawn but for crying out, she just can't win. Well, it's interesting that you're both wearing up with a lot of great points. First of all, it didn't even occur to me this is the first episode focused on Erica, because there's so many great episodes that focus on her development.

7:47 And I'm glad that we did get an episode that's completely focused on her because Dave, to your point, this is a lot of growth. It's her getting through her PTSD. Not to say that it's gone entirely, but it certainly has taken a step forward. And one of the things that it makes me think of, and I don't remember the name of the episode, but there is the balance of terror. Episode where Pike sees the future if he continues to be the Captain, and Erica has a very specific kind of reaction to the Romulans, which seems to be very similar to Lan's approach to the Gorn right, So seeing her grow in that way, I think is very interesting. I think it's she gets the chest piece that she keeps can remind me of the Inner Light.

8:35 That was a nice touch. I like that prim neish generation. And I think it'll be interesting to see what happens with the Gorn. You know, it's building up to something, and I don't know if it's going to happen in the next episode or if it's waiting until the next season, but it'll be interesting to see how much she wants to kind of see the Gorn in another light, or try to reach them or try to community with them. Although the Gorn won't have any awareness of this at all, Enterprise has the benefit. Of knowing that there's communication, that they. Possibly speak our language without being able to communicate that way or at least understand. I wasn't sure if that was just because of the communicator that she had built for because the Gordon was like, yeah, I've been listening to you this whole time. I just haven't been able to reciprocate. But the Gordon will be completely unaware, whereas Enterprise has the benefit of hearing what Erica.

9:32 Has to say. I want to shout out to the actor stunt performer Warren Shearer, who played the Gordon in this episode and has apparently played the Gordon in several other episodes throughout this series. Has a long list of credits, but I agree Dave like the movements very reminiscent of Dark Crystal and did a great job with nonverbal communication, the subtle cues. It gave a lot of character this Gorn that I never expected to see. And I don't know if it's this Gordon specifically. I don't know if it's something about the female Gorn or if it's all Gorn.

10:14 We've just seen the ones that are geared for war. I don't know. It's a very interesting look at them. Yeah, I'm glad you brought that up too, because I'd love to see some behind the scenes filming of this, because it looked like they were using a practical costume for the movie at times, and it was really really well done. Because he is the first close up true. Look, we got at the Gorn, and we got a lot of flashes in the other episodes. This time we actually got to see them, you know, on screen for a long time, and it just it looked great. I actually could see the development between this Gorn and the original series Gorn. You know, everybody makes fun of the rubber mass, but I can see, you can see that the connections, the little bits that they put in there into this costume.

10:59 It was just beautiful created. Yeah, another thing that I really liked about this. So there's so much I liked about this episode. But one of the things that I liked that the writers did was the Pike stuff. I liked that, you know, A Horror pulled a lot Erica when she fudged the numbers. It was you know, she pushed it to six over sixty percent, which is what it was needed before Pike said, Okay, we'll do it. But Pike knew, he knew she did that. But I like Pike's all his responses because he says, you know, A Horror was like, I don't want to give up. I don't want to give up. Pipe is We're not going to give up yet, you know, we need to bring Erica home, and he was going to bat for one crew member, you know. And I love that about him because I mean, obviously, you know in Una was pushing we got to go because you know, we got to go take care of these colonists. There's like four thousand colinists who need this medication. You know, if they don't get it, they're not going to survive. But Pike was still like, you know, I know we got to do that. We still got a little bit of time.

11:58 So a horror, you got this, but I got a limited amount of time to do. That just proved to me that you can do it. I just love how he went to bat for Erica. Yeah. I like the way that they that they portrayed Una in this story though. I mean she was the first officer. That's her job to give the alternates, to try to get tell the captain you know, hey, this is what we got to do. You could really see the the hurt, the you know, it was rough for her to say that she did not want to leave her behind, but she had to say it. That's her job. Yeah. Yeah, it was just interesting in that scene, like Horo was not being subtle at. All, Like with her alone. She was like, sure, hold on a second, and then come on, and you're feeling nobody.

12:43 But yeah, his his reactions, you know, the first one in the the meeting room where he says, hey, nobody says her, given up on her. Yeah, we're gonna do what we can. And then on the bridge when he acknowledges. Like, I know that you fudge the numbers, but it's with in a you know, an acceptable variance or whatever, and he was willing to let it go. But also interesting that we don't usually see that side of a hurrah, that she's going to you know, lie, or that she's going to fudge in that way. In a way, it almost shows a little bit of I think Pike could see that as desperation, but he could also see that as.

13:24 A you know, kind of a moment when she didn't. Trust him, Like she could have said like it's at fifty six, like can we go with that, and he'd be like, all right, I'm willing to do fifty six, you know. So just an interesting decision in that moment. What I like about the writer this thesp too. And I need to go back and watch the other seasons to see if they did this, but they love to. Lean on other films and stuff that they put in, like little kidbits. One of the things that I laughed hysterically. Clearly somebody was a fan of Castaway because when she's like, I made water, I've made water, And it was almost like Tom character saying I made fire, you know, celebrating. It's what it felt like to me, And I love that scene.

14:06 Yeah. Well, the whole plot is kind of a blend of enemy Mind in the Truman Show. Yeah right, yeah, but these metrons that could have been like, you know, you could have done this another way and accomplished this without torturing somebody having them eat you know, centipede sushi and killing a Gordon. But all right, cool. Did anybody notice that Horror did the picard? She got she got up, she got up out of the chair to go to Pike and she jerked her uh down the picardy. That had to be on purpose, it had to have been. Yeah, for sure. I I really don't envy Erica with having to eat those centipedes.

14:47 That was so gross. It was absolutely disgusting, Uh, but unnecessary thing, like you know, one of those moments where this I don't know the the Gordon was able to eat them apparently with no problem, but it could have added to some of the tension if it was like, they're not really survivable. Sustenance, but they can eat it. Yeah. Kind of an interesting play there. There was a lot of good dialogue from Erica when she was talking to the Gorn. You know, it's almost like she was talking to herself at times, almost like talking herself through it, even though she was communicating with the Gorn. And this some of it was even before she created She did that communicator so that she could you know, translate the Gorn language to you know, a yes or no, agree or disagree. But one of the one of the lines I loved in this, and this is going back to her healing, was she looked at the Gorn when you know, he obviously had well she had that you know, hurt leg and Erica knew that she needed to help her and the Gorn you know, didn't at first, didn't want that. And she had that line you think you're too broken to be fixed. It was almost like she was talking about herself too at that moment, you know, And I love that line. I really did. It stood up for the whole episode.

16:03 To me, Yeah, that is a great line, and it's interesting how they kind of gave them an extra thing to connect with by making them both pilots. Yeah, and you mentioned castaway like that makes me think of all the different kind of trinkets. Yes, and things like when she comes in, there's like painting on the walls and there's something that looks like a memento, some kind of a statue or whatever, something we haven't been shown from the Gorn but shows us a little bit more depth. And how long has she been there if she was able to create all that stuff? How long has that Gorn been there exactly? You know, exactly? And I swear that one seemed that Gorn smiled. Oh yeah, it was creepy. But then I like that as well.

16:47 I just the different characterization. I like the idea that they're exploring the Gorn further as a civilization rather than just monsters like we've always known before. Yeah, I know, I know. We've talked about the cgi of this show and it is phenomenal. I got to point out one scene that I thought was incredible, and that's when the Enterprise was going into the wormhole for the first time. That shot was incredible. You can see the shields yea when it was for the wormhole, beautiful. Shot, which brought me back to and I We'll get to this in Easter Eggs, but it brought me right to the episode Relics from the next generation when. They had to do the same trick, they get the same yep. I love little tidbits like that. I like that we keep seeing those happened.

17:33 I do too. I just thought this episode was just wonderfully written. They had some great just some incredible scenes. You know that that scene with the meeting where everybody's arguing. You know, we don't see enough of that in Star Trek. We you know, the not just the stuff on the planet, because everything on the planet was well written. That's the final scene with Yohura and and ortegis wonderfully written. That the bridge scenes are wonderfully written. This this I'm gonna have to reevaluate this entire season because this could possibly be my favorite episode. I don't know, I really really enjoyed everything about this. Yeah, we've got one more to go, but I'm with you on that. I feel like, and I think I mentioned this before, I feel like every week we're saying, man, this is the best episode.

18:14 But this is the best thing. I mean, you know, you're right. I think I need to go back after we're done and reevaluate which one, because this episode was written extremely well. Yeah, it's it's high up there on the list. Yeah, absolutely, And to go back to that scene where she's flipping out. She knows somebody's watching them and she says, well, you know, would you show yourself and just going off on that, and then obviously they're like, we got to beam up. So they in the middle of the beaming, which was an incredible effect. By the way, Y frozen in between transporting God. That was incredible. And then they came out and they explained who they were and what they were doing. I love that scene, which surprised me. I did not expect them to go that direction and bring me the Metrons back into this. You know, we other than Q, we don't get too many of these these godlike beings in the live action Star Trek, so seeing them again was a real surprise. And I get the impression that the Metron had mentioned that they were he was might have to change the parameters and stuff. I'm wondering if that could somehow connect a little bit to the look of the Gorn and the way they acted in the original series Arena. I'm not sure, but you know it's interesting.

19:28 Yeah, it's It's also I kind of question the I could be interested in a little bit more about that whole kind of MindWave concept with Ericain because to uh, I forget the next Generation episode, but where Data is the only one who remembers what happened yep, and he had to reset the day and he was clues Clulu, thank you, because he was like, you can't do that. You can't do that to the species and leave them with little mysteries because they'll keep picking and keep. And revel it. So I wonder if there is something where she can't name the species, she can't say anything about it, but she does know that it was all part of a big experiment, because without that, it feels like that would really torture Erica, like she wouldn't be able to let that go. So hopefully they gave some kind of way of tying that up for But it was a great use of the the metrons. You know, that's a callback to Arena, which I have to go back and watch now because I didn't even remember that happened, So I'll be interested to see how they kind of pay all that together. All right, Well, I think we were pretty pretty.

20:43 Sure this answer which crewmember shined the most. Well, let's go ahead and ask it anyway, Wayne, and go ahead first. Oh, yeah, it's pretty honest. This is this is the Ortagus episode, and she shined as she should. We all been waiting for this episode, this time to happen. We have been waiting for this storyline to to uh come to frontation here it is. She's just fantastic, you know, everything, everything about her appearance, the way she she acted, the way she learned her the lesson with the Gorn and you know, saw them more than just the enemy. Everything everything about her shine. And I love the actress. I think she's done a wonderful job. And finally we got to see her her moment on the series.

21:28 Yeah, Dave, what about you, it's it's clearly uh ortegus uh in this episode. I loved how at the beginning of the episode she was just so happy and so giddy to be back being able to do, you know, a solo mission on her own, and the fact that you know, she when she was talking about, you know, when after she crashed landed, she was going through her mind, Okay, Starfleet Academy one O one, and she was processing, you know, food, housing, water, this is what I gotta do and you know, and she built that. That was that condensating water condenser. Thank you. She built that water condenser. And that's when once she was celebrating that she had made some water. But this is an episode that we knew was coming. We knew there was an Eric episode. I didn't think they were gonna leave it for the last episode, so we've figured it was gonna be this one. But I love the fact that, you know, she really to the point healed herself.

22:24 But it's not a neat bow. It's not. Because we see what happens at the end of this episode with her and Lawn. That's gonna cause some friction between the two of them, especially we know how much Lawn hates the Gorn and now Erica has got that. Okay, I know they're my enemy, but I can see we can communicate with them. We can you know, we can possibly change the outcome of our relationship with them. So I see the frictionary when I'm gonna go back, but you said, I hope they don't drop this because this really causes some friction on the bridge of the enterprise between these two characters and we and I like that not everybody can get along. Just going backing what you said about the arguing, you know, that's the way it is. It's nature because everybody's got ideas and they're going to you know, fight, even though they're family, they're still going to argue a little bit because they got to figure out what is the best solution for these apostles that they're always in, you know, and I love that so much. But Erica just seeing her buckle down on that planet and just become so strong. We know she's a strong pilot for crying out loud, but getting to see her out of a ship and being put into an environment that she's not used to and using that training she got in Star for the Academy and pulling it out with perfect perfect Yeah.

23:43 I mean, we're we're making her so much more than her role, so much more than a pilot, which is exactly what it should be. Yeah, And it's definitely you know, we know that Erica is not going to continue to be the Helmmelsman on the Enterprise, whether that's going so place else or hopefully going someplace also won't finish that day, but it's it's big shoes to fill for Szulu, and I think they've done a consistently great job with this series of doing so, you know, in engineering. There's still that that absence felt. And even though we've got you know, great things coming with Pellia and Scottie, there's still that absence. And I love the fact that they're they're building up so much.

24:29 I love the subtle things about Erica in this one, like folding the paper airplanes for luck, which is kind of interesting because in the Star Trek universe I really see paper being used for anything, right, so that's going to be like going into Pellia's room and grabbing a stack out of the old copyer or. Something, but it probably exactly. He just has a stack, Like we need a lot of luck, So just keep it coming. I'll be interested to see what the answer is to this question, Dave, who would you want to be in this episode? You know, normally I don't want to put myself in a position where I've got a lot of pressure on me, but I really would like to have been Pike in this episode, just because of him coming to bat To wanting to find one person and instead of going straight to say that civilization there where four thousand people were dependent on this medication that they have. I feel like, would I do the same thing if I was in that position. Yes, I probably would because they are a family, and I would do everything I can within a limited amount of time, which is what he gave. We can only do this so much and we gotta get But just Pike's demeanor in this episode I loved and I would just love to be in his position there because it shows how much he is the father figure of this crew. But he also cares about each one of them individually. There's no favorites, even though thinking except a hotel,

26:01 but he's not on the crew, but you know, uh, you know, but so yeah, it's Pike. Wayne, what about you? Yeah, David pretty much said almost everything I was going to say. But I had chose Pike too, and for a lot of the very similar reasons. I mean, he has what you can have to consider one of the best crews in Star Fleets, and they all work so incredibly well together. He knows he can trust each and every one of them, and he's not willing to give up on any of them. I love that, even though he's the first officers telling him, we've got to do this, we got to do this, but he's not going to give up on Artigas. And I loved Anson Mount's performance. I loved the decisions that the writers made with him, and uh, yeah, I have to choose him too. It was either that or the metrons.

26:49 By the way, did anybody notice when Pike was flying the ship? Did you notice that he was at the helm? I did. I love that within the Captain h char did you see it. Looked weird, but I love that. I love UNA's jab too. She's like, oh, you've never mentioned that you're just as good of a pilot. And I love that she was in that position because that was the position she usually set in in the original pilot cage. She was right there that first thing that reminded me. Yeah, I love that, and I'm glad you brought that up. So my choice is a little weird. Oh yeah, Now what's interesting is some I'm calling bs on my own choice because at first I was like, oh, Erica, because Eric did an amazing job.

27:35 But she also had to eat centipede. Yeah, I just don't. But the Gordon had to do that too. The reason I'm choosing the Gordon, I just want to know more about what brought her there, maybe some of her backstory, to see kind of what was on her mind and what she was really saying to Erica. It's interesting that we never got that. I love the kind of you know, binary, you know, agreed, disagree kind of responses that we got. But I just know I'd like to know a little bit more about that, where they were, what brought them there, you know, bot of the that's a good call. I agree with you to Scott, I would love to know more, not just about her, but more about the Gorn.

28:16 But I'm I'm my feeling is this is probably the last time we will see the Gorn in the series. Interesting, even with what Beatella is going. Through, well, I don't think she's going to turn in. I'm now suspecting now that we've seen this episode and the the metrons and stuff, I don't think she's going to turn into a full full Gorn. My prediction is she'll be she'll be probably saved. Okay, all right, But but won't stay with Pike, but won't stay with Pike. Something's going to happen there's she's going to decide that well, she's going to take that promotion, and then they're going to drift away. That's that's my prediction. A way. Can I go way out on a limb here, yeah, and say that she turned into the gormt Kirk flits.

28:59 Oh god, and that's her wearing the stones casta. That was my original thought. That was until I saw this episode. That was my original thought. But now I'm thinking that that, uh, the metrons did something to change them into looking into the rubbery going. With the thing on. I don't know, Dave went there. I'll go there and say that. One kind of off ramp that my brain took with this one is what if the Gordon that she meets in this episode is Bettel because the wormhole doesn't necessarily you know, in terms of like bending time and space and whatever. You know, it's somebody that has some kind of nostalgia whatever, Like, dude, entirely possible.

29:47 I never thought of that that would warp a man. That would be crazy because that some tiny, tiny, whiny crap there. But yeah, it is doctor who what is this? But that that could that could work, I mean that could actually fit. Oh yeah, I'd rather think of it as like, you know, there's a there's an offshoot of Goren that actually feels this way that it's not just you know, it has to have some kind of human element to it. But wouldn't that given even more meaning to UNA's decisions of saying, hey, we got to go, we got to go. Yeah, that's wow, that's crazy to think about. Scott crazy crazy speaking are crazy. There were a lot of Easter eggs in this one, obviously.

30:28 Well, I mean we've mentioned a lot of them, and obviously Arena is kind of a big one because the metrons that before I looked that up, I didn't even realize we hadn't met them before. Yeah, I just I guess I just assumed there were a lot. But there's the only one I got was Uss Consolation and Matt Decker I believe it was. Yeah, that's that's the only one I got. We might have gotten more, not not very many more. You just mentioned in one of them. But you know, I wanted also, I wanted to bring up the fact that you know, this episode, it was really, really good. But it does use a lot of Commons Star Trek ideas. You know, the the whole thing of the about the hero being forced to face an enemy on a planet.

31:10 We've seen that many many times before, you know, not just arena, not just the enemy. But this episode really reminded me a lot of the card and Dharmack on the planets, the episode Darmok. And then of course you know the idea of the a greater power watching over them. You know, we're very familiar with that. That probably the most famous one would be Q but you got you know, ne Gelam in the Next Generation where silence is least. You got Apollo in the original series, the Vendorians, and they appeared in the Lower Decks episode Caves. It's something we see over and over again. But it just like I said before, it seems to work very good for Star Trek. Now, the easter eggs other than the Decker in Constellation, which, by the way, you know, don't forget that Decker is also the father of Commander Willard Decker from Star Trek Motion Picture. But I only found really one other. There was a mention of the Epsilon Indie system.

32:07 That system which is located in the Beta Quadrant, and its planet's been mentioned quite a few times on the various Star Trek series. It was mentioned there was a band of marauders that ravaged the system in the original episode series episode and the Children Shall Lead. The Terran Empire had a shipyard in the Discovery episode Terra Firm Apart one and the Murderer that Diana Troy sall in Our Visions in the episode I of the Beholder, he was from Epsilon Indy two and even Wesley Crusher mentions that when he was looking out the window of ten Ford in the Next Generation episode The Child And then I do want to talk a little bit for those non trekkers like us, exactly who.

32:53 Are the Metrons. I know we mentioned him quite a lot. We mentioned the episode they came from, which was the original episode Arena. That's the same episode that introduced the Gorn. But they are a higher evolved race of beings that originally inhabited the area of the Beta Quadrant, which is part of the United Federation of Planets. They found violence distasteful and had been observing and experimenting on other races just to see if the lesser beings can move past violence and live peacefully together. They haven't been mentioned too many times. This and the episode Arena are the only times we've ever seen them in live action on the series, but they have been mentioned once again. There was an episode called The Examples on Star Trek Discovery where they believe that the Metrons had possibly created the dark matter anomaly, but they ended up that was dismissed that they found out.

33:48 That that couldn't have been them. But however, in the IDW comic Star Trek Year four, The Enterprise Experiment, it was revealed that the Metrons and the Organians were the earliest creations of the Preservers. That's the alien race that created the design of most most beings in the universe. That's interesting. That's going deep. Okay, yeah, that's deep. The only one that I caught, which was a small one. And I don't know if this is Accurat or for anybody else thought this, but the the chess piece that Erica keeps seems to be in the shape of a Gordon ship like.

34:32 It's kind of a It seemed to have like a round hub and then. Three spikes surrounding the outside. It seemed interesting that that's the kind of piece that she would keep that might come back later if we do see the Gordon crop up again. I could see that as being beautiful. Kind of a gross way to keep the chess piece because knowing that it's carved out of the bones of the sent things. That the Goin has eaten, but kind of interesting. Yeah, and then I had just I'll wrap it up by saying, I was kind of sad. To see that this is the next to last episode before the season finale. I'm not ready for that yet.

35:18 But which we did get a blurb from this time. I know they said they weren't going to give us any but they did give us a very vague blurb, but it says, when an ancient and evil alien force resurfaces, Pike must make a difficult decision to stop it from spreading. So the ancient and evil alien force has got to be that I can't remember what they were called, but those beings that would eventually evolve into the queue, or at least few episodes ago. Yeah, it has to be them. And we knew they were going to be coming back. We knew that story we had to be tow to appear. And I had a feel like it was going to be the finale, So that's my guess, that's what they're talking about. So the ones that possessed gambling through the legs of time.

35:59 Yeah, yeah, I think that's them. But difficult decision. That's interesting. I wonder what Pike's decision. Will be that you're talking about. We shall see. All right, Well, I'm looking forward to it. I'm not looking forward to being over. But it's like you said, Bland, it's consistently like they hit it out of the park every single time. So we're bound for a great one, possibly a frustrating one because we have to wait until the next season to see the resolution. But yeah, but only be a year wait this time, not two years. Oh well, that's all. That's good. Been a great season, yes, and. I've had a blast talking with both of you, So thank you as always for joining us and listeners. Thank you.

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