Feb. 22, 2026

Michael Mann - Ali

Michael Mann - Ali
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we're going to talk about a film by Michael Mann.

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Another film by Michael Mann, his two thousand and one

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biographical sports drama Ali.

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The tamp is here, The tamp is here, The tamp

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is here.

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Hello everybody.

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I'm Jeff Johnson and I'm Gary Gibson.

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And this is a Film by Podcast. We are finishing

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up our Denzel and the Man month with another Michael

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Man film, now our fourth time discussing his work, having

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previously covered Manhunter, Collateral and Miamivice Miami Vice earlier this month. Garrett,

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do you happen to have a favorite Michael Mann film.

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I actually do. You guys have covered it once before. Collateral,

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Absolutely brilliant film.

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I love that one.

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I gotta be honest, man. One of our Patreon supporters,

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Eric Dirth, Yes, he's like, hey, man, can we do

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can we do Collateral? I was like, yeah, why not,

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I'm up for that. He knocked it out of the

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park and then he even came back. He did a

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special Patreon episode for us when we did The Martian

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and this guy, I mean, he goes all out. I

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love when Eric shows up. We have We always have

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a good time talking to him. So now, before we

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climb into the ring with Ali, you know we're talking

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Three things you may not know about this director. And

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I can be honest, this is the fourth time we're

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talking about Michael Mann.

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Uh.

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If you have been listening to the show all these seasons,

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you you probably know a lot about Michael Mann. At

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this point, I.

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Found, I do.

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I found I've had a few more things to add

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to our our Michael Man study. Here. Let me throwt

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some movies at you. Martin Scorsese's The Aviator and Twine

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Fuqua's Shooter and Oliver Stone's Savages, all three awesome.

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Movies, right, yeah, absolutely, those.

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Are three films Michael Mann turned down in order to

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direct Ali.

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That's actually a pretty impressive lineup of films to turn down,

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especially when you see the success that a lot of

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them faced. And I know we'll get to talking about

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box office and budget here shortly, and it kind of

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it's one of those moments where you wonder if he

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rethinks what his decision was.

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There probably won't be the last time we mentioned the

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name Oliver Stone on this episode, but I gotta be honest,

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looking at those three movies, I don't think Shooter Is

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is better without Antoine Fuquah and you and I talked

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to Fuquah earlier this month on Training Day. The Man

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is a Maverick. Oliver Stone Savages. I don't think Michael

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Man could have made that. He could have, but it

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would have been a lot darker, more would have been

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as funny, wouldn't have been funy at all, I don't think.

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But I'd be curious to watch Michael Mann's The Aviator

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because that doesn't necessarily screams Scorsese.

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It truly doesn't.

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It's a bit al Scorsese's Wheelhouse, which is actually why

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ended up loving.

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The film so much.

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Oh okay, and yeah, so I mean it's a little

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bit outside of that New York Bronx tale things of

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that nature that Martin Scorsese has done for so long

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and has done.

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So well with. So it's ultimately why I ended up

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loving that film.

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Interesting. Now, on the Miami Vice episode last week, Brad

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and I questioned whether he should have won an oscar

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by now, so I will point out that he has

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won two Primetime Emmy Awards and has been nominated for

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four Academy Awards, two Golden Globes, and one BAFTA Award. Okay,

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if you're wondering how Michael Mann first fell in love

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with the movies, it was during his days as a

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college student at the University of Wisconsin Madison, when he

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went to see Stanley Kubrick's Doctor Strangelove.

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That's quite a film, and of course Stanley Kubrick's just

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anything he touched around that era. It was simply amazing

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but also absolutely insane, so I could see how he'd

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fall in love with it.

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I think Strangelove is one of the scripts that Brad

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Kozo is going to cover on his new limited series,

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a script by you know, at least I think it is.

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I hope he does it. I'd love to hear what

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he has to say on that. I'm gonna tell you

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what I'm gonna tie the quote, the Michael Man quote

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to Strangelove. He said this on how Doctor Strangelove affected him. Quote.

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It's said to my whole generation of filmmakers that you

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could make an individual statement of high integrity and have

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the film be successfully seen as a mass audience all

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at the same time. In other words, you didn't have

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to be making seven Brides for seven brothers if you

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wanted to work in the mainstream film industry, or be

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reduced to niche filmmaking, if you wanted to be a

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serious if you wanted to be serious about cinema. So

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that's what Kubrick meant, aside from the fact that Strangelove

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was a revelation.

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It okay, it is there.

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It is Garrett a five word synopsis. Give me five

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words and tell me exactly in five words what Ali

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is about.

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This is the easiest one that you've given me, Jeff,

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just because five words describe this man completely.

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The greatest of all time. He's the goat.

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He well, okay, I'm not gonna argue with you. He

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is the greatest of all time. That would be a

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tough one. If if we're playing the game, you know,

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the grace of all time? I could I could say

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the Natural, the Ten Commandments. I don't know what. I'm

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gonna make it a little bit easier for you. How

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about how about this one ten years about boxing's greatest.

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I like that, Okay, all right, all right.

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I can honestly say that within the first few minutes

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of the film beginning, and I'm talking about this, you know,

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the scene where Will Smith is as Ali. He's working

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the speedbag in the gym and he is bathed in

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that soft blue light. You know, I'm talking about that

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soft blue light. Immediately tells me I'm watching a Michael

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Mann film. I think Man's use of light is one

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of his calling cards.

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You really do get a lot of that in films

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like Miami, Vice and things of that nature.

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So I can agree with that.

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Yeah. As I alluded to in my five words synopsis,

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the film covers a decade of Muhammad Ali's life from

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nineteen sixty four to nineteen seventy four. We begin with

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a title win against Sonny Listen, and we end with

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a title win against George Foreman. I gotta say that's

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a pretty cool, cool way of doing this movie, because

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every boxing movie we've ever watched, and we've actually we've

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covered two boxing movies already this year, you know, because

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we opened up with Rocky Balboa. We had our special

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Patreon episode with Patreon member Brad Moore, who's a friend

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friend of the show, where we did Ron Howard, Cinderella Man,

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and We're back in the ring again, man, and I'm

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not getting tired of it, honestly.

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No, this is anytime we can watch and talk about

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a great boxing film, I'm all for it, especially one

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that deep dives so much into the personal life of

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Muhammad Ali over that ten year span of time.

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Lots going on this ten years, you know, I mean,

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because we're getting treated to some amazing in ring boxing scenes.

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But we're also we're talking about Malcolm, We're talking about

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Martin Luther King, We're talking about the Vietnam War. There's

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a lot happening in this movie. And I think, Michael Mann,

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it doesn't feel like I feel like I'm watching the

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whole film. I don't feel like I'm missing chunks of

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the movie. So credit to the editor on this one,

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credit to his direction. But most boxing movies, we get

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a contender that has to go win the title, right, Yeah,

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or maybe we get someone that loses their title and

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has to win it. You know, this is like you're

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you're you're opening the movie with him winning the title.

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You're you're closing the movie with him winning the title.

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It's like if you took Rocky two and Rocky three

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and just mashed them together as one big movie. You know,

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Balbo wins the title and then at the end of

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the movie he wins the title like that's that's what

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we're doing here with Ali. But it's it's real life

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and I dig it.

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Man it is And the freeze frame and the pouring

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down rain at the end of the film is.

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Okay, we're going to talk about that. I'm glad. I'm

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glad you mentioned it. Listen. I know we're going to

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talk about a scene later and I was like, look,

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I don't Garrett might talk about this, he might talk

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about this, but we're definitely going to talk about it,

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because uh yeah, I'll just kick that. I'll kick that

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down the road a bit. Meanwhile, we'll take a quick

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break and then we have got to talk about this cast.

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Welcome back. We are discussing Michael Mann's two thousand and

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one biopic Ali. Hard believe it's twenty five years old, Man.

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It really is.

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I remember when this film came out and upon the rewatch,

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I'm like, is it really two thousand and one?

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Has it been twenty five years?

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It's amazing when you look at the cast in this

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movie and then you look at them now and you're like, really,

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twenty five years has gone by because they look great.

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Yeah.

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Like even some of the older actors that are in this,

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like Gina Carlo Esposito or John Voight, like neither one

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of them look like they've aged very much since this role.

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I think. Okay, So with gen Carlo, I think he

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has two ages. He's either twenty five in like he

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is in Maximum Overdrive Yeah, or he's sixty five like

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he is in Everything Yeah, because you gotta think he's

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playing Will Smith's dad in this movie is and in

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real life he's only ten years older than Will Smith, so, which.

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Is hard to believe because he has been around for

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so long.

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Man, I know, I know, but let's let's start with

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Will Smith. He is playing Cassius Clay aka Cassius X

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aka Muhammad Ali aka the Greatest. Smith initially turned the

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role down. Now I can understand that. You know, that's

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got to be a lot for any actor to say, hey,

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we want you to star in this movie. Oh, by

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the way, you're playing this person. So I get it.

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But it was a phone call from the real Muhammad

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Ali that changed his mind. Ali asked him to take

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the role because Smith was the only actor pretty enough

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to play him. How great is that?

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That is a Muhammad Ali answer for sure. I absolutely

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love that.

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If that doesn't boost your confidence immediately, then I don't

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know what would. But to get into shape, can we agree?

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Will looks fantastic in the movie?

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six thirty six y four, but they say he weighs

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in at two hundred and ten pounds.

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He is absolutely huge in this movie. Yeah, he looks amazing.

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Yeah. To get into shape, he moved to Aspen, Colorado

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because he knew the air was a lot thinner. He

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spends about a year training to play Ali, and this

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included routinely waking up at six point thirty every day

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to do a five mile run before entering the gym

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for three hours of ring work, and then spending the

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rest of the afternoon weight training so he ultimately, to

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your point, he ultimately gains thirty five pounds of muscle

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so that he could match Ali's actual fighting weight of

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two hundred and ten point five pounds, and he wears

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that weight well, I think.

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He does, and I think that's ultimately what sells me

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on him in this role because he fits that body

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style so well for Muhammad Alwi at the point in time,

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I don't think there would have been another actor like

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OHI he said pretty enough, but also built around the

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same that he is.

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I mean, I think he's just kind of perfect for

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He well, he is, and talking about a lasting friendship

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between these two guys, I'll remind you it was June tenth,

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back in twenty sixteen when Muhammad Ali was laid to rest.

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Will Smith was one of the paul bearers at his funeral.

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It's actually pretty awesome. I did not know that though.

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Yeah, you said something about John Voight a few minutes ago.

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So John Voight has Howard Kosel.

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Yeah, he's awesome in this And this is a film

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that I've watched numerous times over the years, and I

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always forget it's John Voight because the amount of prosthetics that.

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Are on him. But I'm like, there's no way it's

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John Voight.

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He's Voight is sitting in the makeup chair for six

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hours every day to transform into Howard Cosell. And You're right, like,

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he's he's just incredible in this movie. He was he

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was Will Smith and Michael Mann's only choice, like that

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he's the only person they ever considered. And I gotta

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think two thousand and one, there was probably several good

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options that you could have looked at to play co Cell.

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John voightd does like he just blows this this roll

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out of the water. There, like the fact that he

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can lose himself, you know, under the makeup and the makeup,

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by the way, very well done, extraordinary because not only

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are we not seeing John Voight, I don't think, to

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Void's credit, we're not hearing John Voight. I mean he

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kind of affected the the co cell voice, as you know,

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as much as he could without making it like it's

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just an imitation, you know what I mean.

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He truly did.

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And yeah, again you do lose I think ninety nine

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percent of his voice in this film, where you can

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hear him on the tail end of a certain sentences

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is But other than.

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That, now you have no idea that this is John

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Voyd throughout the film.

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No, And I love I love how the story plays out,

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because if you're not paying attention to this movie at

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certain times, certain scenes, you're you're like, wait, are these guys?

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Do these guys like each other? Wait, do they are

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these guys buddies?

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Yeah?

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Wait are these guys? Like? Wait, did he just offend

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Howard Cosell? Wait? Did Cosell step over the line. It's

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there's a real give and take between them, and I

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think their friendship, their partnership really as as it plays out,

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is is done so well in this film. I absolutely

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love their their moments together.

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It is especially the first moment you get between Omar

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where they're at the press conference with Sonny Weston and

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he's like, after.

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Sonny, your next, Howard you next?

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Go sell you everyone you're hearing it out. Yeah, he

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is so cool. But I forget, like, you know, I

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kind of forgot how how how friendly they were with

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each other because yeah, you know, like the scenes where

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he's on the Wide World of Sports with Cosell, if

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you go back and you watch, like if you go

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on YouTube and you watch the real versions, I mean,

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they did such a damn good job of recreating it.

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But like that moment like when he leans over to

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see if Cosell's wearing a hair piece, and then and

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then even like taunts him a little bit more like

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they tried to bite me, and you know, and Cosell's like,

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I've just been assaulted. I'm glad you guys saw that,

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you know, Like, I'm like, wait, did he did he

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really do that to Howard the real Howarkers? And he did?

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He did know And I'm like, okay, So love love

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Void's performance. I love Jamie Fox in this. I kind

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of forgot about Jamie Fox. I know we discussed him briefly,

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I want to say. I want to say it was

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during the Miami Vice episode. I think Brad and I

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were talking about how, you know, this is his second

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time working with Michael Mann after after I'll Leave, you know,

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so this is the first time they're together. And Jimmy

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Fox like he's another one of those guys, like it's

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amazing to me that he can be steaming Willie Beamon

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you know the year before, Yeah, and then now he's

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like this broke down, out of shape, balding guy that

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just you know, he's a chameleon. Jimmy Fox is such

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a great chameleon when you think about his work, like

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he can lose himself in the roles pretty easily too.

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I think it really is.

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I mean, if you just look across his entire filmography,

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there's nothing that tight. Nick cast this guy at all,

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just because he is so comfortable with getting out of

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the box and his role as Drew Bundini Brown in

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this is amazing. His witty comebacks, everything that he's snapping

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off at everyone anytime they take a shot at him.

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I just love this character.

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Oh yeah, well, I mean because like he I mean,

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he's kind of like Ali's hype man, right, he's his Yeah,

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he's his motivator, and he's he's got the rhymes too.

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So he's a fun he's a fun character to watch

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on screen. But then he's a sad character because like

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for Fox to play someone that's not in shape and

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like I said, kind of broke down strung out on

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drugs at certain points in the story, you know, and

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then and then clean and sober, and you know, you know,

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the black Jewish man who is who's found God and

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can work with the Nation of Islam. You know, like

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he's he's he's got a lot on his plate in

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this movie, I think, and he he does a damn

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good job.

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He really does.

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For as many curve balls as this role may have

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thrown at him, he knocked it out of the park.

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Well, I'm gonna take a step. I'm gonna take a

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cheap shot. I know we're we're in the rings someone,

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I'm gonna take a cheap shot here. Maybe not not

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maybe not a cheap shot, but I'm just gonna I'm

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gonna say this. I want to talk about Ron Silver

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as Angelo Dundee. Okay, do he does great? So my my, my,

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My cheap shot is this. He is critically underused in

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this role. He is. I think he has like what

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three lines of dialogue?

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Yeah?

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Oh, like every now and then you get a smile

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or something from him. But that's he's a background character.

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You movies like two and a half hours long, I think,

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you know, or one hundred and fifty nine minutes. If

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I'm looking at my notes.

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One hundred and fifty nine if you ask Kart, Yeah.

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One hundred and fifty nine, asked Garrett Gibson. You're telling

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me we we're gonna use one hundred and fifty nine minutes,

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and we're gonna let Ron someone as amazing as Ron Silver.

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We're only gonna give him like a couple of lines

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of dialogue. And he's playing. He's playing arguably the most

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famous boxing trainer of all time, right he is. I mean,

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in addition to training Muhammad Ali, the real Dundee trained

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fifteen world champions. I'm talking about guys like Sugar Ray Leonard,

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Jose Nipoles, Jimmy Ellis, who's mentioned in this film. Yeah,

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and he trained George Foreman.

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Think about that which George Foreman, I mean speaks for himself.

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I think forty by the time he fights Muhammad Ali, uh,

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thirty six thirty seven knockouts, Like the guy was an

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absolute monster.

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Oh, he was a monster in the ring. Yeah, I

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just uh, I feel like, I don't know. I don't know.

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If Ron Silver was just hanging out one day, I

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was like, oh, I'll be in your movie, and maybe

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they were thinking, like, we don't need anyone significant but

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the whole Every time I see Ron Silver quietly just

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wrapping his his uh, his hands or cutting his cutting

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his gloves off, I'm like, it's Ron Silver. Let let

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the guy do something, give him a given him something.

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And the fact that he's playing playing Ali's trainer, I mean,

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you would figure there is a bigger role in this

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film for him, you would.

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Think, But it's not there. I don't I don't know

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that's That might be my only gripe about the movie. Honestly,

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it's just how we've how how critically underused Ron Silver is.

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But I'll uh, I'll switch it up to what I

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think is the most the most underrated performance in the

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entire film. Can we talk about Mario vent Peeples playing

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Malcolm X.

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Yes, he's truly brilliant in this role.

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I I kind of lost myself in his performance. And

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I'm trying to watch the movie and prepare for this,

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this this episode. But in my brain, all I wanting

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to do is just turn on Malcolm X. I just

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want to watch Malcolm X movie now. I I mean

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that that close up scene where he has the monologue

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about the the murder of the four young girls in

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the Birmingham church bombing, that's gotta be his finest acting

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in any film he's ever done.

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Oh absolutely, where he's just like I just wanted to

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break something like, Yeah, he's amazing in this role as

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Malcolm Max.

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This he is pure passion about this performance. I just

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can't believe how good he is, you know, because he's

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a fun He's a fun actor like I when I

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if you tell me Mario vnp Ebels even a week ago.

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My my brain immediately kicks into like Heartbreak Ridge or

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Jawls for the Revenge, where I just I just love

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watching him. But damn his his Malcolm X. It's one

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of the better, you know. And I'm not gonna get

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into a Mario versus Denzel argument right now, but I'm

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just saying his performance is Malcolm X is not to

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be missed. He's fantastic in this movie. Now, Listen, we

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would need a hell of a lot more than fifteen

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rounds if we wanted to talk about everybody. But I'm

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gonna I'm gonna throw out just so our listeners if

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if they haven't seen Ali, or it's been a while

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since safeteen Ali, and they're thinking, wait, who who always

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in that? Because I know you've meant we've We've talked

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about a few people already. But Garret, I'm gonna give

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you the list that if there's anyone else that you

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think we need to spend spend some time on, we

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we definitely will. We got Jada Pinkett Smith as Sanji Ali,

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his first wife. You mentioned gen Carlo Esposito. He's playing

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Cassius Clay Senior. Jeffrey Wright, who's surprised, like I'm halfway

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in the movie and I'm like, wait, that's Jeffrey Wright.

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Uh.

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He's playing Howard Bingham, the photographer you got known a

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gay as Belinda Ali, who was amazing. Uh. You know,

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doesn't it doesn't come until like around like what like

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hour thirty maybe, but just amazing. Always happy to see

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Joe Morton. Uh, Terminator Two's own Joe Joe Morton, he's

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he's the lawyer. Chauncey Eskridge another what you who invited you?

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What are you doing here? Type of moment. Ted Levine

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playing the FBI guy Joe.

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From Ted.

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This one, uh and I shout out to uh to

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our phasers set the stun Star Trek podcast that that

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that the guys do blink and you miss it. LeVar

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Burton playing Martin Luther King.

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No dialogue, just you know what I wish we would

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have gotten more of in this film.

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We needed it. Come on, give me, give me one scene.

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Let let LeVar you know, do his thing.

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Like that, and then Jim Brown making just a pass

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through the one room and that's it, Like, yeah, come on,

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I know they were all good friends.

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Come on, come on, uh, Leon, he's here. Playing brother Joe,

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and then Michael T. Williams as the flamboyant Don King.

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Oh yeah, I gotta ask you because and listen, I

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didn't I didn't do my homework. I just I'm watching

472
00:25:38.519 --> 00:25:39.799
the mo like, what the hell is going on here?

473
00:25:40.200 --> 00:25:42.160
Do you know it's Don King? Like all his scenes,

474
00:25:42.200 --> 00:25:44.400
like he's got like these very long fingernails.

475
00:25:45.200 --> 00:25:45.400
Yeah?

476
00:25:46.319 --> 00:25:47.440
Is that a Don King thing? Is?

477
00:25:47.599 --> 00:25:49.880
Did I not know that that's accurate? Yeah?

478
00:25:50.440 --> 00:25:52.519
See, I think Don King. I think the cigars, I

479
00:25:52.599 --> 00:25:57.319
think the hair, I think the the that that Carnival

480
00:25:57.400 --> 00:26:01.279
Barker type of flamboyancy. I never knew. I'd never picked

481
00:26:01.359 --> 00:26:03.839
up on the very long fingernails, so I didn't know

482
00:26:03.880 --> 00:26:04.319
that was a thing.

483
00:26:04.839 --> 00:26:10.640
Very long fingernails and love using the word uneclipped, unequivocal, unequivocal.

484
00:26:10.759 --> 00:26:16.880
Yeah. You today's word on a film is unequivocal. Yeah,

485
00:26:17.039 --> 00:26:19.799
Michael T. You know that guy's great and everything is.

486
00:26:21.119 --> 00:26:22.720
I was thinking, like, and he's he's one of he's

487
00:26:22.720 --> 00:26:24.079
one of he's one of those go to guys for

488
00:26:24.200 --> 00:26:26.839
man like I always think about him in uh in heat.

489
00:26:27.720 --> 00:26:29.400
You know what else? You're selling all kinds of ship.

490
00:26:29.480 --> 00:26:31.240
But I ain't got to do that because you know,

491
00:26:31.319 --> 00:26:34.960
this ship sells itself like he's great. He is absolutely great.

492
00:26:35.240 --> 00:26:38.359
He is. Let's uh one shout out.

493
00:26:38.400 --> 00:26:41.359
I do want to give just for another person that

494
00:26:41.799 --> 00:26:44.920
did pretty awesome in the role. Small role, but James

495
00:26:45.000 --> 00:26:47.039
Tony is Joe Frazier. That was pretty awesome.

496
00:26:47.119 --> 00:26:50.880
Oh gosh, yeah, yeah, this guy. Well, you're question themselves,

497
00:26:51.400 --> 00:26:55.319
say save that. Hold hold on to him because we're

498
00:26:55.319 --> 00:26:57.680
gonna we're gonna talk about that. Got a tip in

499
00:26:57.720 --> 00:26:59.759
my hand, you know when we get to the scene,

500
00:26:59.799 --> 00:27:01.680
but we're gonna need I need you to talk about

501
00:27:01.720 --> 00:27:06.279
Fraser a little bit. So hold on to that. And meanwhile,

502
00:27:06.319 --> 00:27:08.680
we'll we'll do a little bit of insight into this

503
00:27:08.759 --> 00:27:12.799
film's background because it's got a pretty pretty cool backstory.

504
00:27:13.880 --> 00:27:16.880
Let's let's go back to nineteen ninety two. The real

505
00:27:17.200 --> 00:27:21.640
Muhammad Ali is celebrating his fiftieth birthday and one of

506
00:27:21.680 --> 00:27:27.400
the guests film producer Paul our Dodgy. I hope I'm

507
00:27:27.400 --> 00:27:30.480
saying that right. If Paul's listening or if Paul's around,

508
00:27:30.519 --> 00:27:33.880
I don't know. Uh, he persuades Ali to let him

509
00:27:33.920 --> 00:27:36.200
do a film. Now, you have to keep in mind,

510
00:27:36.920 --> 00:27:40.799
one you're trying to pitch to Muhammad Ali, and two

511
00:27:41.960 --> 00:27:46.599
Muhammad Ali has already signed off on this because there's

512
00:27:46.680 --> 00:27:50.319
the nineteen seventy seven film The Greatest, which in fact

513
00:27:50.359 --> 00:27:54.799
starred Muhammad Ali as himself. So I don't know how

514
00:27:54.839 --> 00:27:58.519
that pitch went, but but Ali does go for it.

515
00:28:00.000 --> 00:28:03.039
Eighteen ninety four, now we're two years ahead. Our dodgy

516
00:28:03.400 --> 00:28:07.039
joins producer John Peters to get the film made before

517
00:28:07.079 --> 00:28:12.680
the option expires. Now, the initial script titled Power and

518
00:28:12.799 --> 00:28:17.880
Grace Garrett. That title does not work for me at all. No, No,

519
00:28:18.279 --> 00:28:20.440
And this script, well, now it doesn't work for me,

520
00:28:20.519 --> 00:28:22.480
It doesn't work for a lot of people because the

521
00:28:22.640 --> 00:28:28.279
original script is heavily driven by the father son story start,

522
00:28:28.319 --> 00:28:30.559
and it starts with Ali at age twelve and then

523
00:28:30.599 --> 00:28:33.480
carries all the way uptil he's forty. I don't I

524
00:28:33.480 --> 00:28:34.000
don't need that.

525
00:28:34.759 --> 00:28:37.799
I mean, are we spending like five minutes per year

526
00:28:37.920 --> 00:28:38.880
or what are we doing here?

527
00:28:38.960 --> 00:28:40.759
I mean, I don't know what we're doing. Like, yeah,

528
00:28:41.039 --> 00:28:44.200
I mean I love Giancarlo Esposito, but do I want

529
00:28:44.240 --> 00:28:47.519
to watch a two hour movie about him raising a

530
00:28:47.599 --> 00:28:48.160
twelve year.

531
00:28:48.079 --> 00:28:50.519
Old Casius Clay and cash is Clay.

532
00:28:50.680 --> 00:28:52.240
No, I don't, No, one want. No one wanted to

533
00:28:52.279 --> 00:28:55.759
make that movie, So new script's written, and by nineteen

534
00:28:55.799 --> 00:28:59.559
ninety eight the film is now at Columbia Pictures with

535
00:28:59.720 --> 00:29:05.559
Will Smith starring and Ron Howard possibly directing. But that

536
00:29:05.759 --> 00:29:08.920
isn't the only pairing. Before Smith took the role, we

537
00:29:09.079 --> 00:29:13.559
had a few more contenders. Now here's where it gets interesting.

538
00:29:14.400 --> 00:29:19.480
Norman Jewison, Spike Lee, and Oliver Stone are all making

539
00:29:19.519 --> 00:29:22.359
a play for this movie. Jewison doesn't get it, so

540
00:29:22.519 --> 00:29:24.880
he says that's fine. He goes off, makes his own

541
00:29:24.920 --> 00:29:29.160
boxing biopic a Roanji. He does The Hurricane right, Yeah,

542
00:29:29.559 --> 00:29:35.799
amazing film. Yeah. Stone's choice to play Ali is Denzel Washington.

543
00:29:36.599 --> 00:29:39.200
Now let's just can we just dip into that world

544
00:29:39.240 --> 00:29:43.839
where Ali is directed by Oliver Stone and it stars

545
00:29:43.920 --> 00:29:47.240
Denzel Washington. Can you imagine? Because we saw what Denzel

546
00:29:47.359 --> 00:29:49.240
does in The Hurricane as a fighter.

547
00:29:50.279 --> 00:29:54.279
Amazing, His charisma and everything, especially in films like Training

548
00:29:54.400 --> 00:29:58.240
Day that we've discussed, his charisma would line up perfectly

549
00:29:58.359 --> 00:30:01.519
with Muhammad Ali. I don't think lot of the physical

550
00:30:01.720 --> 00:30:05.240
look is there, just because height, stature, all of that,

551
00:30:06.160 --> 00:30:08.799
but he would have the same charisma and everything that

552
00:30:08.920 --> 00:30:11.759
Ollie would. And uh so you don't think I'd mind

553
00:30:11.799 --> 00:30:12.440
the book too much.

554
00:30:13.079 --> 00:30:16.240
All right, well it's all it's all a moot point.

555
00:30:16.279 --> 00:30:19.960
Because he he heads off to uh to the hurricane

556
00:30:19.960 --> 00:30:25.160
with Jewison Stone, who now doesn't have his fighter. He's like,

557
00:30:25.319 --> 00:30:27.880
all right, I'm out. He leaves the project, goes and

558
00:30:27.960 --> 00:30:31.400
does any given Sunday with James Fox and with Jamie

559
00:30:31.440 --> 00:30:34.160
Fox and I'm I'm I'm okay with that. Now. This

560
00:30:34.319 --> 00:30:38.680
leaves Spike Lee, who meets with Will Smith. And we

561
00:30:38.799 --> 00:30:41.039
love Spike Lee on the show. We've We've covered Spike

562
00:30:41.079 --> 00:30:46.079
Lee films. He's amazing. His pitch was not that amazing

563
00:30:46.160 --> 00:30:49.440
to Will Smith though, because he basically says, hey, only

564
00:30:49.519 --> 00:30:53.839
a black director can direct this movie, and Smith's response

565
00:30:54.880 --> 00:30:58.480
was that he he would need to quote broaden his horizons.

566
00:30:58.640 --> 00:31:00.079
So Spike Lee's like, I knew I didn't get the

567
00:31:00.160 --> 00:31:02.119
job when when Will said that, I know I wasn't

568
00:31:02.240 --> 00:31:02.680
going to get it.

569
00:31:03.680 --> 00:31:06.000
I mean, I get where Spike Lee is coming from

570
00:31:06.119 --> 00:31:10.279
because it is a story of overcoming so much. But

571
00:31:10.400 --> 00:31:13.599
I feel like Spike Lee's story is kind of what

572
00:31:13.799 --> 00:31:18.000
we discussed where it's going to be Muhammad Ali growing up.

573
00:31:18.440 --> 00:31:20.480
You're going to see a lot of that coming from

574
00:31:20.559 --> 00:31:23.400
nothing and then becoming something story with Spike Lee.

575
00:31:23.960 --> 00:31:25.880
I wonder if the if the Lee version of this

576
00:31:26.000 --> 00:31:29.359
movie is the grow like you said, growing up, like

577
00:31:29.480 --> 00:31:33.359
a coming of age story that focuses more on like

578
00:31:33.480 --> 00:31:38.200
the the conversion to to uh, you know, like losing

579
00:31:38.240 --> 00:31:40.640
the name Cassius Clay and like all that stuff. I'm

580
00:31:40.640 --> 00:31:42.160
wondering if if he spends at a little bit more

581
00:31:42.200 --> 00:31:44.400
time in that and like the Vietnam War, you know,

582
00:31:44.400 --> 00:31:47.599
because Spike's you know, Spike did that movie to Five Bloods.

583
00:31:48.160 --> 00:31:50.519
You know, he's no stranger to this this uh, this context.

584
00:31:50.599 --> 00:31:52.839
So I think we would have got that.

585
00:31:53.160 --> 00:31:56.200
I think Spike Lee's we would have actually gotten Martin

586
00:31:56.279 --> 00:31:58.799
Luther King Junior, and we would have gotten more of

587
00:31:59.000 --> 00:32:01.160
Malcolm Max's friend Chip with Muhammad Ali.

588
00:32:01.319 --> 00:32:03.720
For sure, I think I think it would have been

589
00:32:03.759 --> 00:32:05.920
a great movie. But I also don't think we would

590
00:32:05.920 --> 00:32:08.599
have seen much boxing no to be fair, to be fair.

591
00:32:09.400 --> 00:32:09.519
Uh.

592
00:32:10.160 --> 00:32:14.799
Meanwhile, Smith is secretly sharing the script on set with

593
00:32:14.880 --> 00:32:18.480
Barry Sonenfeld while they're making The Wild Wild West because

594
00:32:18.480 --> 00:32:22.160
he's thinking Sonenfeld should direct it. And this doesn't matter

595
00:32:22.279 --> 00:32:26.359
because after The Wild Wild West bombs horribly at the

596
00:32:26.359 --> 00:32:29.640
box office, the studio is kind of backing away from Sonefield.

597
00:32:29.680 --> 00:32:36.160
Everyone's kinda he's like persona non grata in Intensiltown. And

598
00:32:36.599 --> 00:32:39.640
I get it. Like that movie, it's not a good movie.

599
00:32:41.160 --> 00:32:43.519
I'll just still go back and watch it just because,

600
00:32:43.640 --> 00:32:46.359
you know, it reminds me of my childhood a little bit.

601
00:32:46.440 --> 00:32:47.880
I'm like, ah, wait, we'll give.

602
00:32:47.799 --> 00:32:51.039
It a watch. I'll tell you what, like if I could,

603
00:32:51.279 --> 00:32:53.119
if I could recommend the double feature that you don't

604
00:32:53.119 --> 00:32:56.599
want to watch do like the Wild Wild West and

605
00:32:56.720 --> 00:33:01.000
then Cowboys and Aliens and they're there. There's a double

606
00:33:01.039 --> 00:33:06.200
feature of just power packed stars, you know, and it

607
00:33:06.279 --> 00:33:08.839
should work like when you thought names like Daniel Craig

608
00:33:08.960 --> 00:33:12.920
and Harrison Ford and Will Smith and Kevin like everyone

609
00:33:13.119 --> 00:33:16.359
involved in those movies is a juggernaut and those.

610
00:33:16.200 --> 00:33:20.160
Movies are just no, no, not at all. But you

611
00:33:20.240 --> 00:33:21.720
know it does.

612
00:33:21.839 --> 00:33:25.160
It's it's all good because a few more years passed

613
00:33:25.240 --> 00:33:28.400
and they locked down Michael Mann. And this is right

614
00:33:28.480 --> 00:33:31.519
after he gets the Academy Award nomination for The Insider.

615
00:33:32.039 --> 00:33:33.920
So he's the hot ticket. So I want to talk

616
00:33:33.920 --> 00:33:37.359
about Charles Shefford for a quick second. This is a

617
00:33:38.319 --> 00:33:40.559
this is the real life two hundred and thirty five

618
00:33:40.599 --> 00:33:44.519
pounds heavyweight fighter has a seventeen and two record. He's

619
00:33:44.680 --> 00:33:48.359
he's the guy playing George Foreman, Yeah on Smith. In

620
00:33:48.559 --> 00:33:52.279
Man's instruction, he was told to make his punches as

621
00:33:52.480 --> 00:33:56.319
real as possible, which meant he could hit Smith as

622
00:33:56.440 --> 00:33:59.319
hard as he could, so long as he didn't knock

623
00:33:59.319 --> 00:33:59.799
Smith out.

624
00:34:00.799 --> 00:34:03.880
That's a dangerous game to play because when you're seeing

625
00:34:04.039 --> 00:34:08.119
him hit the heavy bag when they're wading into the

626
00:34:08.239 --> 00:34:09.079
rumble in the jungle.

627
00:34:09.159 --> 00:34:14.440
I mean, it is terrifying that scene that it gave me,

628
00:34:14.639 --> 00:34:19.480
like Ivan Drago vibes. It did, Like I've like this

629
00:34:19.639 --> 00:34:22.599
guy is a machine, Like you can't, you can't, You're

630
00:34:22.599 --> 00:34:23.360
not gonna hurt this guy.

631
00:34:23.440 --> 00:34:27.320
He's now and like Ali's in there banging the drum

632
00:34:27.440 --> 00:34:31.000
the champers here, Oh and he just does the icy

633
00:34:31.119 --> 00:34:34.880
stare down walk out, and it's to be in that

634
00:34:35.119 --> 00:34:39.039
moment in real life would probably be terrifying because you've

635
00:34:39.079 --> 00:34:42.440
already seen Ali lose a few times. You see George

636
00:34:42.519 --> 00:34:46.559
Foreman that's coming off destroying Joe Frazier. I mean, he

637
00:34:46.800 --> 00:34:50.239
is just upsetting everyone, blazing through any fight that you

638
00:34:50.360 --> 00:34:53.559
give him. And you've got an older Muhammad Ali and

639
00:34:53.679 --> 00:34:56.480
it's like, oh no, this is not going to be good.

640
00:34:56.920 --> 00:35:01.000
Yeah. Credit to the casting director who found uh who

641
00:35:01.079 --> 00:35:04.280
found this guy because he looks the part he does

642
00:35:04.360 --> 00:35:06.559
and he does such a damn good job, and I

643
00:35:06.960 --> 00:35:09.719
just the idea, like I get it. Like actors, uh,

644
00:35:09.920 --> 00:35:12.119
sometimes they like, hey, don't we're not gonna use the

645
00:35:12.119 --> 00:35:13.320
stunt man. I want to do that. I want to

646
00:35:13.360 --> 00:35:17.000
do it to you when you tell a real heavyweight fighter,

647
00:35:17.360 --> 00:35:18.639
go ahead and hit me as hard as you can,

648
00:35:18.840 --> 00:35:21.719
just don't knock me out, Like yeah, that's that is

649
00:35:21.800 --> 00:35:24.119
that that's just hey, let's just let's just jump in

650
00:35:24.159 --> 00:35:26.480
and swim with the shark, you know. Yeah, we want

651
00:35:26.519 --> 00:35:27.840
to we want to make it look authentic.

652
00:35:28.320 --> 00:35:28.519
Wow.

653
00:35:28.599 --> 00:35:32.480
I hopefully you're okay with broken noses and cracked ribs cause.

654
00:35:32.400 --> 00:35:37.719
Yeah, yeah, Well, I'll tell you what's coming. Uh. We're

655
00:35:37.719 --> 00:35:40.400
gonna talk about the scene right after this, uh this

656
00:35:40.519 --> 00:35:47.559
quick break, all right, Garrett. Uh, I know there's a

657
00:35:47.559 --> 00:35:50.079
scene you want to talk about, and it might be

658
00:35:50.119 --> 00:35:54.400
the same scene. And if it isn't, well I'm gonna

659
00:35:54.480 --> 00:35:56.559
cheat if I have to, because there's there's two scenes

660
00:35:56.559 --> 00:35:59.039
I really want to talk about. I'm hoping yeah, maybe

661
00:35:59.079 --> 00:36:03.280
one's ears, but uh, let's can I start because I

662
00:36:03.400 --> 00:36:05.320
know you alluded to this earlier and I wanted you

663
00:36:05.400 --> 00:36:08.840
to save it. I'm going for you know, when we

664
00:36:08.920 --> 00:36:10.760
talk about the scene that we pick, we always like,

665
00:36:10.800 --> 00:36:12.760
why are we going to choose the scene? Is it

666
00:36:12.880 --> 00:36:18.079
because of the cinematography? Is it a strong performance? Is

667
00:36:18.119 --> 00:36:21.760
it a pivotal moment? Did it piss Amber Lewis off?

668
00:36:23.719 --> 00:36:27.079
I'm going for strong performance and I'm talking about the

669
00:36:27.239 --> 00:36:31.679
waiy in against Sonny Liston. Will Smith is the star

670
00:36:31.840 --> 00:36:35.840
of this film and he is nowhere to be found

671
00:36:36.119 --> 00:36:39.119
in a single scene. All I see throughout the entire

672
00:36:39.199 --> 00:36:42.880
picture is Muhammad Ali. Smith is Ali.

673
00:36:43.760 --> 00:36:44.760
I will give you that.

674
00:36:45.079 --> 00:36:50.079
So that that was my front runner until there is

675
00:36:50.199 --> 00:36:54.239
another scene. Okay, I think the transformation you kind of

676
00:36:54.280 --> 00:36:59.320
see it from Cashius Clay to Mohammad Ali and it's

677
00:36:59.360 --> 00:37:02.239
the reason I'm on with a scene. But again, strong performance,

678
00:37:02.679 --> 00:37:06.920
but it's leading into the Ernie Terrell fight. When Ernie

679
00:37:07.000 --> 00:37:10.079
Terrell calls him Clay at the way it ends, He's like,

680
00:37:10.599 --> 00:37:13.679
say my name and he just keeps barking it at him.

681
00:37:14.199 --> 00:37:15.599
And then you actually get.

682
00:37:15.519 --> 00:37:19.599
To fight night and you see like Mohammed Ali again,

683
00:37:19.719 --> 00:37:23.199
I'm going to say, because he becomes Muhammad in this fight.

684
00:37:24.039 --> 00:37:29.039
He is absolutely destroying Ernie Terrell and every time he's

685
00:37:29.119 --> 00:37:31.760
landing a bomb on him, swelling his eyes shut even more,

686
00:37:31.760 --> 00:37:34.559
and he's like, say my name, what's my name? Like,

687
00:37:34.639 --> 00:37:37.480
he just keeps barking it at him. And if you

688
00:37:37.599 --> 00:37:40.000
go back and watch the fight, this is exactly what

689
00:37:40.199 --> 00:37:45.000
Ali is doing to Terrell in real life. So along

690
00:37:45.079 --> 00:37:47.800
the same lines, it's because you don't see Will Smith

691
00:37:48.079 --> 00:37:51.519
in this scene. You see Mohammed Ali. It's truly amazing.

692
00:37:51.840 --> 00:37:55.480
Well okay, so like you're seeing, you know, we're talking

693
00:37:55.519 --> 00:38:00.840
strong performance by Smith, and it's the anger, the darker

694
00:38:00.920 --> 00:38:03.920
side of Muhamma Ali. Yeah, my scene, the weighing against

695
00:38:03.920 --> 00:38:09.440
Sonny listen, more of the fun side, the clown of

696
00:38:09.840 --> 00:38:13.800
Muhammad Ali. But in both cases it's the movement. It's

697
00:38:13.880 --> 00:38:18.880
the swagger, the mannerisms, the voice, and especially his ability

698
00:38:19.000 --> 00:38:22.559
to taunt his opponent rumble young man.

699
00:38:22.559 --> 00:38:25.119
Rumbo, y'all want to lose y'all money, then you better

700
00:38:25.199 --> 00:38:25.719
own Sonny.

701
00:38:26.000 --> 00:38:28.880
You know I'm right he will fall in eight. Come on,

702
00:38:29.039 --> 00:38:30.760
you big ugly bear, you right now?

703
00:38:31.920 --> 00:38:35.599
Where is that ten and a half to ten and

704
00:38:35.679 --> 00:38:39.639
a half the challenger cash is played ten and a

705
00:38:39.679 --> 00:38:40.360
half pounds.

706
00:38:40.519 --> 00:38:44.880
Man. You showed us right, oh ugly bear, Come on,

707
00:38:45.039 --> 00:38:48.000
let's go. You got all these folks, fool. I ain't

708
00:38:48.039 --> 00:38:48.559
scared of you.

709
00:38:49.079 --> 00:38:49.920
I ain't scared of you.

710
00:38:52.239 --> 00:38:56.679
Two hundred and eighteen eighteen Sonny Listening the champion of

711
00:38:56.719 --> 00:39:00.840
the world two hundred and nineteen pound Hound's.

712
00:39:00.559 --> 00:39:01.400
Or what hound's?

713
00:39:01.519 --> 00:39:04.920
Ugly head man so ugly when he's sweat the sweat

714
00:39:05.000 --> 00:39:07.320
run backwards off his forehands and just to stay away

715
00:39:07.360 --> 00:39:14.400
from his face. Come on, you, big ugly bear, I'll

716
00:39:14.480 --> 00:39:15.440
turn you into a rock.

717
00:39:15.559 --> 00:39:16.079
Keep talking.

718
00:39:17.400 --> 00:39:18.079
Fuck you up?

719
00:39:19.159 --> 00:39:20.880
What do you say you scared of him?

720
00:39:21.079 --> 00:39:25.320
I'm gonna give sunny listing talking lessons, boxing lessons and falling.

721
00:39:25.079 --> 00:39:27.840
Down lesson Gashes How Listen doesn't like you?

722
00:39:28.239 --> 00:39:30.639
Really can't stand you, says he wants to kid you

723
00:39:31.000 --> 00:39:33.440
Howercoach Sale, you ain't none but an instigator? Man? How

724
00:39:33.480 --> 00:39:36.880
you get that? Lady gash Is? Now you're being truckulars Well,

725
00:39:36.920 --> 00:39:41.280
if it's good, I'm mad you ne As soon as

726
00:39:41.320 --> 00:39:43.960
I'm done with Sunny Listing, I'm fighting Awer Coach Sales.

727
00:39:44.280 --> 00:39:48.000
Don't you uh? You were talking about Sunny listing the

728
00:39:48.000 --> 00:39:50.360
guy played Sunny Listen. Yeah, how good was that guy?

729
00:39:50.880 --> 00:39:52.480
Oh? He was amazing honestly.

730
00:39:53.280 --> 00:39:57.199
I mean just the first fight between him during the

731
00:39:57.239 --> 00:40:00.400
way ends all he's talking all the tr ash in

732
00:40:00.440 --> 00:40:03.400
the world and he just walks away with a simple

733
00:40:03.480 --> 00:40:10.239
words to you and it's you Yeah, yeah.

734
00:40:10.280 --> 00:40:13.679
Ali, because he's playing to the crowd, right, he's playing

735
00:40:13.719 --> 00:40:17.880
to the sportscasters and listing not having any of it.

736
00:40:18.239 --> 00:40:23.480
Just you know, have you has a rug? Yeah? You

737
00:40:23.519 --> 00:40:26.119
has a rug. When he turns around, just I'll f

738
00:40:26.239 --> 00:40:28.960
you up. Yeah, you know that that's his Ivan Drago.

739
00:40:29.760 --> 00:40:33.239
You will lose you know, it's like damn and even

740
00:40:33.280 --> 00:40:35.639
like I love that quick moment where where Will Smith

741
00:40:35.679 --> 00:40:39.320
is a kind of loses his composure for singh. Did

742
00:40:39.360 --> 00:40:39.880
I go too far?

743
00:40:40.280 --> 00:40:41.920
Yeah? I've been poking the bear too much here?

744
00:40:42.320 --> 00:40:47.559
Maybe maybe Uh you talked when we started, you were

745
00:40:47.599 --> 00:40:51.599
talking about the Foreman fight. We got to talk about

746
00:40:51.599 --> 00:40:54.039
a little bit, uh, the Ali Forman fight at the

747
00:40:54.119 --> 00:40:56.519
end of this film, Garrett, I think it's one of

748
00:40:56.559 --> 00:40:58.280
the best boxing scenes ever filmed.

749
00:40:59.119 --> 00:40:59.639
I think so.

750
00:41:00.559 --> 00:41:03.599
Honestly, it would be up there with some of the

751
00:41:03.639 --> 00:41:06.320
stuff that was filmed for the film South Paul as well,

752
00:41:06.960 --> 00:41:10.920
but no, I think early two thousands. This is one

753
00:41:10.960 --> 00:41:14.039
of the if not the best fight scene we actually

754
00:41:14.159 --> 00:41:15.199
get in any film.

755
00:41:15.960 --> 00:41:18.400
I think we I think we should tuck away an

756
00:41:18.440 --> 00:41:21.480
idea like maybe maybe the next season, like like top

757
00:41:21.599 --> 00:41:25.840
five boxing scenes, not boxing movies, but boxing scenes. Yes,

758
00:41:26.039 --> 00:41:28.199
because there's there's so many good ones, but this one.

759
00:41:28.320 --> 00:41:31.400
I'm watching it and in my brain's like it's going

760
00:41:31.440 --> 00:41:33.840
through the card catalog of like, oh, well, there was

761
00:41:33.880 --> 00:41:36.199
this moment in South Paul. There's this moment sundevelopment. There's

762
00:41:36.239 --> 00:41:39.920
this moment in you know, The Champ with John Voight. Yeah,

763
00:41:40.320 --> 00:41:44.840
there's all these great boxing movies, but this one, this

764
00:41:45.199 --> 00:41:48.760
this scene. First off, I love the fact that we

765
00:41:49.079 --> 00:41:52.719
get treated to the ropodope tactic. Because if you're if

766
00:41:52.760 --> 00:41:54.480
you don't know boxing, or you don't know, if you're

767
00:41:54.519 --> 00:41:56.760
not if you don't know the history of the sport

768
00:41:57.199 --> 00:42:00.480
and you haven't heard that that term ropodope, you're you're

769
00:42:00.519 --> 00:42:03.800
watching Ali intentionally leaning on the ropes and just letting

770
00:42:03.880 --> 00:42:08.159
foreman punishing, you know, but it's also serving to wear

771
00:42:08.239 --> 00:42:10.960
him out, and that's that's the whole rope. Like when

772
00:42:11.440 --> 00:42:13.800
when we talk about a ropodope. It's like you're you're

773
00:42:13.880 --> 00:42:18.000
feigning weakness and and you're you're kind of tricking someone, right,

774
00:42:18.079 --> 00:42:20.719
You're you're tricking them, You're gonna pull something on them.

775
00:42:21.519 --> 00:42:23.079
And the idea that he's just gonna sit here and

776
00:42:23.360 --> 00:42:27.079
and take the beating because he knows that at his size,

777
00:42:27.159 --> 00:42:30.199
foreman is gonna get worn out pretty quick so that

778
00:42:30.239 --> 00:42:32.199
he can knock him out. It's it's just brilliant because

779
00:42:32.400 --> 00:42:33.800
you know, and no one knows he's doing it like

780
00:42:33.840 --> 00:42:36.400
his trainer. You know, you got Jamie Fox over there

781
00:42:36.639 --> 00:42:38.599
shouting at him. You got you got Ron Silver shout

782
00:42:38.639 --> 00:42:41.480
at him like get off the ropes, you know. And no,

783
00:42:41.639 --> 00:42:43.840
and he's not like we don't get treated to that,

784
00:42:44.239 --> 00:42:46.639
you know when when we're when we're in the corner

785
00:42:46.800 --> 00:42:49.840
like oh, you know, we don't get the the exposition dump,

786
00:42:49.960 --> 00:42:52.880
which I love. We're not it's not explained to the

787
00:42:52.920 --> 00:42:56.239
audience like, oh, he's doing this intentionally. You got to learn.

788
00:42:56.320 --> 00:42:58.079
You got to see it, you got to watch it develop,

789
00:42:58.400 --> 00:43:01.880
and it's it's awesome. But the music man, the crowd,

790
00:43:02.960 --> 00:43:05.679
it's just like, uh, I think that's another thing I

791
00:43:05.960 --> 00:43:08.039
didn't check. I'm sure it's gotta be the same composer.

792
00:43:08.079 --> 00:43:11.000
But I feel like man uses the you know, the

793
00:43:12.400 --> 00:43:14.800
music in a Michael Mann film almost feels like you're

794
00:43:14.800 --> 00:43:15.800
watching a Michael Mann film.

795
00:43:16.360 --> 00:43:16.960
It does this.

796
00:43:17.639 --> 00:43:19.920
Yeah, Like when you think about the music in Miami

797
00:43:20.000 --> 00:43:22.079
Vice and the music in this, it's got to be

798
00:43:22.119 --> 00:43:22.840
the same composer.

799
00:43:23.639 --> 00:43:26.840
H Peter Burke and Lisa Gerard did it in.

800
00:43:26.880 --> 00:43:32.119
This, Okay, all right, They're fantastic. And if it couldn't

801
00:43:32.119 --> 00:43:34.159
get any better, this scene, the way it ends with

802
00:43:34.239 --> 00:43:40.519
the rain, like Ali literally brought the rain down to Africa.

803
00:43:40.920 --> 00:43:45.719
It wasn't Toto, it was Ali. You know, I just

804
00:43:45.880 --> 00:43:49.360
I just love it, dude. And then finally you talk.

805
00:43:49.440 --> 00:43:52.639
You mentioned the freeze frame. Yeah, this is the best

806
00:43:52.719 --> 00:43:54.599
damn freeze frame in any movie ever.

807
00:43:55.480 --> 00:43:59.440
It is so And it's funny because this freeze frame

808
00:43:59.559 --> 00:44:03.440
is dying years after the Rocky films, But this is

809
00:44:03.559 --> 00:44:06.480
what Rocky was trying to copy somehow, even though it

810
00:44:06.599 --> 00:44:09.480
came out years before. It was trying to copy that

811
00:44:09.639 --> 00:44:10.599
moment in history.

812
00:44:11.199 --> 00:44:13.679
I'm not a fan of freeze frames. I know, I

813
00:44:13.760 --> 00:44:16.840
know our buddy Dave, Dave Burns is not a fan

814
00:44:16.920 --> 00:44:19.920
of them. I think sometimes they can come off kind

815
00:44:19.960 --> 00:44:22.320
of kind of cheesy. Rocky does not come off cheesy

816
00:44:22.480 --> 00:44:25.599
Rocky does it right, But this one where he's leaning

817
00:44:25.679 --> 00:44:29.440
off the ropes looking out to the crowd, it's it's

818
00:44:29.519 --> 00:44:31.920
just it's the perfect freeze frame and that music, the

819
00:44:32.000 --> 00:44:34.239
music swells at that at the right moment. It's fantastic.

820
00:44:34.280 --> 00:44:37.719
I think I want to see Dave Burn's reaction to

821
00:44:37.880 --> 00:44:40.079
the end of The Breakfast Club when Judd Nelson just

822
00:44:40.159 --> 00:44:40.639
jumps up.

823
00:44:41.559 --> 00:44:44.559
Well, okay, hold on, see I'm saying that this is

824
00:44:44.599 --> 00:44:46.519
the best damn freeze frame in a movie. But now

825
00:44:46.760 --> 00:44:49.880
I'm thinking about think about John Bender on the football

826
00:44:49.920 --> 00:44:53.800
field with the fist pump. Maybe that. Okay, all right,

827
00:44:53.960 --> 00:44:56.639
I'm now I'm torn. I don't know what. I don't

828
00:44:56.639 --> 00:44:58.719
know what the best damn freeze frame is, but it's

829
00:44:59.159 --> 00:45:02.199
if it's not but it's not Will Smith and Ali,

830
00:45:02.719 --> 00:45:04.800
then it's got to be Judd Nelson in the Breakfast Club.

831
00:45:05.159 --> 00:45:07.239
I'll just say that. Yeah, I like it, all right,

832
00:45:07.760 --> 00:45:12.000
the jury's out, but let's run the numbers on this one.

833
00:45:12.079 --> 00:45:18.679
Garrett Smith officially signs on for twenty million dollars, which

834
00:45:19.400 --> 00:45:20.199
two thousand and one.

835
00:45:20.239 --> 00:45:23.920
That's a lot of money for a hefty Yeah, it's

836
00:45:23.920 --> 00:45:24.719
a hefty price.

837
00:45:25.280 --> 00:45:29.039
Yeah. Film is released on December twenty fifth, two thousand

838
00:45:29.039 --> 00:45:33.320
and one, with an official Garrett Gibson runtime of one

839
00:45:33.440 --> 00:45:36.800
hundred and fifty nine minutes. It it didn't feel I know.

840
00:45:36.840 --> 00:45:39.679
We talked about how we wanted more of certain things,

841
00:45:39.760 --> 00:45:43.960
like we wanted more of Martin Luther King, but the

842
00:45:44.039 --> 00:45:46.840
movie doesn't feel like it needs more. It definitely doesn't

843
00:45:46.840 --> 00:45:48.760
feel like it's too long though either, except for.

844
00:45:48.840 --> 00:45:51.559
Now, No, it doesn't feel like it's too long.

845
00:45:51.679 --> 00:45:54.199
I feel like if we would have got the added scenes,

846
00:45:54.960 --> 00:45:57.599
if we threw that in there, maybe run times a

847
00:45:57.639 --> 00:46:00.840
little long. But now I feel like, even at one

848
00:46:00.920 --> 00:46:04.000
hundred and fifty nine minutes, we get our money's worth here.

849
00:46:04.840 --> 00:46:09.000
On a budget of one hundred and seven well kind

850
00:46:09.039 --> 00:46:11.119
of shady here, it's in between one hundred and seven

851
00:46:11.119 --> 00:46:15.239
and one hundred and eighteen million. It earns a worldwide

852
00:46:15.280 --> 00:46:20.320
gross of eighty seven point seven million dollars. This means

853
00:46:20.400 --> 00:46:24.519
Columbia Pictures lost upwards of one hundred million dollars when

854
00:46:24.559 --> 00:46:25.880
this movie was released.

855
00:46:25.840 --> 00:46:26.559
Which is rough.

856
00:46:27.239 --> 00:46:31.960
That's rough. Let's talk about what caused the weak box office.

857
00:46:32.000 --> 00:46:36.400
This is a bio pic. It's a popular actor playing

858
00:46:36.440 --> 00:46:41.239
a popular historical person. It's at Christmas time when everyone

859
00:46:41.239 --> 00:46:46.320
wants to run of the movies, studio insiders. They blame

860
00:46:46.360 --> 00:46:48.480
the movie on one thing.

861
00:46:48.840 --> 00:46:51.519
You know what this is then, sir?

862
00:46:52.239 --> 00:46:56.960
It is the competition for Ali. It's a movie that

863
00:46:57.000 --> 00:46:59.639
we're going to cover. And I know I was at

864
00:46:59.679 --> 00:47:02.559
the theater or probably two or three times just to

865
00:47:02.599 --> 00:47:05.920
see this one. Talking about The Lord of the Rings

866
00:47:06.400 --> 00:47:07.559
the Fellowship of the Ring.

867
00:47:08.079 --> 00:47:09.960
I'm going to tell you something right now that might

868
00:47:10.039 --> 00:47:11.920
shock you, Jeff. I've never seen the Lord of the

869
00:47:12.000 --> 00:47:12.559
Rings film.

870
00:47:13.360 --> 00:47:14.239
That can't be accurate.

871
00:47:14.599 --> 00:47:17.920
You're accurate any of them.

872
00:47:20.159 --> 00:47:25.880
Okay, but you're you're Garrett Gibson. You you go to cons,

873
00:47:26.119 --> 00:47:33.920
you cosplay, you're into superheroes and horror films and and everything. Yeah,

874
00:47:34.119 --> 00:47:36.280
are you really telling me that? I mean, it's like

875
00:47:36.320 --> 00:47:38.239
if you haven't seen like the new Ones, like you know,

876
00:47:38.360 --> 00:47:42.840
like the Hobbit trilogy that I thought was unnecessary. Hey,

877
00:47:42.920 --> 00:47:45.880
I get that you're saying you've never seen the original Lord.

878
00:47:45.719 --> 00:47:49.239
Of I've never seen one minute of any of these films.

879
00:47:49.679 --> 00:47:55.400
That's shocking. Why, Like, I know I'm going off the

880
00:47:55.440 --> 00:47:58.079
rails here, but how do you how do you watch

881
00:47:58.119 --> 00:47:59.440
the trail and you're like, no, that's not for me.

882
00:48:00.960 --> 00:48:03.000
I honestly don't know. It's just one of those things.

883
00:48:03.079 --> 00:48:05.679
I was like, Eh, I never watched it.

884
00:48:06.239 --> 00:48:08.400
I just I don't know how to feel about that.

885
00:48:08.480 --> 00:48:08.639
Man.

886
00:48:08.719 --> 00:48:09.719
That's that's just wild.

887
00:48:10.199 --> 00:48:13.199
And now and now, thirty four years in, I've got

888
00:48:13.280 --> 00:48:15.119
to stick to my guns, Jeff, I can't go back

889
00:48:15.159 --> 00:48:15.559
and watch it.

890
00:48:15.679 --> 00:48:15.800
Now.

891
00:48:15.880 --> 00:48:17.960
Oh you wait, you're not You're not really You're not

892
00:48:18.000 --> 00:48:19.840
really to go Okay, I'll give it a shot. Like, no,

893
00:48:20.639 --> 00:48:22.079
you clearly will not be on the Lord of the

894
00:48:22.159 --> 00:48:22.840
Rings upside.

895
00:48:22.880 --> 00:48:25.320
I'm going to Amber Lewis here right now. I'm going

896
00:48:25.360 --> 00:48:26.880
to stand my ground on this. Oh.

897
00:48:28.880 --> 00:48:30.599
Amber Lewis loves the Lord of the Rings.

898
00:48:30.800 --> 00:48:33.519
I just I'm just saying I'm staying on my ground

899
00:48:33.639 --> 00:48:34.519
like her. I don't care.

900
00:48:35.960 --> 00:48:39.599
All right, all right, wow, let me get back on

901
00:48:39.719 --> 00:48:46.679
track here. Ra ratings wise, it has a Ali, not

902
00:48:46.800 --> 00:48:49.880
The Lord of the Rings. Ali has a six point

903
00:48:49.960 --> 00:48:53.599
seven out of ten on IMDb. It has a sixty

904
00:48:53.679 --> 00:48:57.599
nine percent fresh score on Rotten Tomatoes and an Audience

905
00:48:57.800 --> 00:49:01.239
Cinema score of B plus on scale of A plus

906
00:49:01.320 --> 00:49:04.119
to F. We got to take one more break. I

907
00:49:04.199 --> 00:49:07.360
need a minute to collect my thoughts here after Garrett

908
00:49:07.440 --> 00:49:10.039
just dropped that bomb. But when we come back, we'll

909
00:49:10.039 --> 00:49:13.719
wrap things up. Unreal, dude, I just can't believe it.

910
00:49:14.760 --> 00:49:24.360
Can't believe it, all right, Garrett, let's talk obviously, Ali

911
00:49:25.199 --> 00:49:30.440
very celebrated film wide release. It's not an underrated movie

912
00:49:31.039 --> 00:49:34.159
by any stretch of the imagination. So let's talk about

913
00:49:34.199 --> 00:49:40.800
an underrated project, written by, directed by, or starring. Which

914
00:49:41.039 --> 00:49:46.039
underrated project would you suggest someone check out for Michael Mann? Now,

915
00:49:46.039 --> 00:49:50.920
I'll remind you when Brett and I did Miami Vice,

916
00:49:51.119 --> 00:49:55.159
I was kind of promoting twenty fifteen's Black Hat, which

917
00:49:56.000 --> 00:49:59.320
is directed by Man and stars Chris Hemsworth. I'm sticking.

918
00:49:59.320 --> 00:50:01.320
I'm sticking with that one, but uh, I want to

919
00:50:01.480 --> 00:50:04.199
I'm curious to know what your your option would be.

920
00:50:04.800 --> 00:50:07.800
What's funny is that is my choice as well? Oh okay,

921
00:50:07.920 --> 00:50:10.679
when I heard you guys cover it on Miami Vice,

922
00:50:10.719 --> 00:50:12.440
I was like, well, damn it, there goes my answer.

923
00:50:12.960 --> 00:50:15.199
Well, no, I can't, it can't. It can be your

924
00:50:15.280 --> 00:50:17.719
answer like, there's no, we're not gonna do. Like, well,

925
00:50:17.800 --> 00:50:19.760
well they already mentioned it, so I'll just pick something else.

926
00:50:19.760 --> 00:50:23.639
Now I want, I want Garrett Gibson's honest suggestion, if

927
00:50:23.639 --> 00:50:25.719
it's it's if it's black Cat, that's that's a great one.

928
00:50:26.480 --> 00:50:29.599
I mean, it's truly an amazing film. I don't think

929
00:50:29.719 --> 00:50:34.679
it got the traction that it deserved. And honestly, if

930
00:50:34.719 --> 00:50:36.519
you ever cover it, I would love to do that.

931
00:50:36.599 --> 00:50:36.880
Apps.

932
00:50:37.320 --> 00:50:40.119
I definitely think we should cover it. Uh when we do,

933
00:50:40.239 --> 00:50:43.840
when when it's like Michael Mann number five, Yeah, it's

934
00:50:43.840 --> 00:50:46.920
got it's got to be black hat, I think. And

935
00:50:47.159 --> 00:50:50.679
it's a divisive film because I think people either love

936
00:50:50.760 --> 00:50:52.639
it or they hate it. Yeah, and I think the

937
00:50:52.719 --> 00:50:55.239
haters hate it because they don't understand what's happening.

938
00:50:55.880 --> 00:50:58.159
Well, I mean you get that a lot when there's

939
00:50:58.280 --> 00:51:01.800
complex storytelling or just seeing an actor that's out of

940
00:51:02.039 --> 00:51:05.800
what people recognize them ash, And I think this film

941
00:51:06.039 --> 00:51:08.800
ties in a lot of stuff that people are like, well,

942
00:51:08.840 --> 00:51:11.400
that's not Chris Hamsworth. It's like, well hold on, like

943
00:51:11.920 --> 00:51:12.480
this is well.

944
00:51:12.440 --> 00:51:15.679
Yeah, yeah, I think you you hooked people in quickly,

945
00:51:15.880 --> 00:51:19.599
Oh it's Scott Thor yeah. Yeah, And they think you know, oh,

946
00:51:19.719 --> 00:51:21.519
so it's an action movie. No, he's a he's a

947
00:51:21.559 --> 00:51:25.840
computer hacker. What. Yeah, it's a it's a great one

948
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that I'm glad you mentioned black Hat because that's that's two.

949
00:51:29.320 --> 00:51:31.960
That's two votes for black Cats, So I think, well,

950
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we'll talk about that one. But our recommendation, where'd you

951
00:51:38.159 --> 00:51:38.719
check this one out?

952
00:51:38.800 --> 00:51:39.360
Was? This? Was this?

953
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Do you own it? Is this one? Did you? I

954
00:51:41.519 --> 00:51:43.000
watched it on Prime? Did you watch it on Prime?

955
00:51:43.199 --> 00:51:44.559
I watched it on Prime as well?

956
00:51:44.639 --> 00:51:48.199
Yes, sir, all right, you're your recommendation.

957
00:51:48.320 --> 00:51:51.960
Though, I would definitely go back and watch this film.

958
00:51:52.119 --> 00:51:55.280
It's a lot better as time goes on. I think

959
00:51:55.360 --> 00:51:59.519
it didn't get the box office that it deserved because, uh,

960
00:52:00.159 --> 00:52:04.159
movies came out that not everyone saw. I'll go ahead

961
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and tosst that out there, but uh, I feel like

962
00:52:07.480 --> 00:52:11.079
Ali deserves another watch. I would watch it as often

963
00:52:11.119 --> 00:52:13.719
as you can because it's truly one of the best

964
00:52:13.800 --> 00:52:15.800
sports movies I've ever seen.

965
00:52:16.360 --> 00:52:20.880
I agree. I think Michael Mann fans, boxing fans, Muhammad

966
00:52:20.920 --> 00:52:25.360
Ali fans, and Annie will Smith fans left post Slap

967
00:52:25.440 --> 00:52:27.480
should all agree that this is a film not to

968
00:52:27.519 --> 00:52:30.599
be missed. Yes, and you know I'm going to say

969
00:52:30.639 --> 00:52:33.880
this before we go. While it covers an exciting time

970
00:52:34.079 --> 00:52:36.960
in Ali's life, it still leaves plenty of meat on

971
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the bone. For another film project about one of history's

972
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greatest heavyweight champions. I think I think I think you

973
00:52:42.960 --> 00:52:45.559
could do like another like you could do like an

974
00:52:45.599 --> 00:52:49.320
early life Ali fight film. Now you know that leads

975
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up to the Sunny List and fight. You could do

976
00:52:52.199 --> 00:52:54.440
something during his championship reign. I don't know. There's there's

977
00:52:54.480 --> 00:52:58.559
plenty left to discuss, so and and it would go.

978
00:52:58.800 --> 00:53:02.760
I think it'd be a good companion to this film

979
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by Michael Mann.

980
00:53:03.920 --> 00:53:08.159
Honestly, I think if you shout that loud enough, we

981
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might get a I mean, I think he's about nineteen

982
00:53:11.000 --> 00:53:13.360
or twenty now, Jaden Smith. I think we could get

983
00:53:13.400 --> 00:53:18.360
a young looking Will smith Son in here. And I'm

984
00:53:18.440 --> 00:53:20.840
just saying the timing might not be too far off

985
00:53:20.840 --> 00:53:21.320
from that one.

986
00:53:21.840 --> 00:53:25.119
Maybe, and maybe Will plays cash a senior.

987
00:53:25.719 --> 00:53:26.840
See, yeah, that's not bad.

988
00:53:27.920 --> 00:53:31.679
Well, head to Colorado Smith family, because that's where the

989
00:53:31.760 --> 00:53:35.719
training has to happen. Well, it's a busy week. This Wednesday,

990
00:53:36.079 --> 00:53:38.800
our Star Trek themed show Phaser Sets The Stunt will

991
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continue its coverage of the newest Star Trek show on

992
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993
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I think it's fantastic and then Brad Kozo. We'll be

994
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back on Friday with a new episode of our limited series,

995
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A script by and I believe the conversation will be

996
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focused on William Goldman's script for Butch Cassidy and the

997
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Sundance Kid.

998
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That's exciting and who knows.

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1009
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you'll get some of a film by swag. Yeah, Denzel

1010
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in the Man month has come to a close, Garrett,

1011
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got to thank you for You're here for like what

1012
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three out of four of three or four? Yes, sir, Yeah,

1013
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you've got some free time at last?

1014
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Oh yeah, super excited to catch up on The Monarch

1015
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coming into season two here soon, so I want to

1016
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catch up on a few television series that we've been

1017
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waiting on.

1018
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I've got some thoughts about Mana. You're talking about legacy

1019
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monsters on Apple TV.

1020
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Absolutely, we might have to talk about that in the meantime, Garrett.

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