Jan. 4, 2026

Sylvester Stallone - Rocky Balboa

Sylvester Stallone - Rocky Balboa
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Season 7A Film By...

Jeff and Brad come out punching in the first episode of season 7, as they look back to 2006 and celebrate the 20th anniversary of Sylvester Stallone's Rocky Balboa.

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I'm Brad Coozo, I'm Jeff Johnson.

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It's a new season.

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It's a different season.

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It's a film by podcast. Okay, so you said different.

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What is different about this season?

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Here's the thing, Brad. For six seasons, we have been

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focused on the underrated movies of some of our favorite directors,

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and just once, I thought, one season, just one season,

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can we go after the big movies? Can we have

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some fun go after it? Let's talk about some blockbusters?

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Yeah, why not?

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Yeah, So we are going to specifically, we're going to

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celebrate the films of two thousand and one and two

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thousand and six. So we're talking about the twentieth anniversaries

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and the twenty fifth anniversaries and we're gonna have it.

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We're gonna have a good time here. Yeah.

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I mean so two thousand and one, I mean that

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was a year when movies needed to pick me up,

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and I think we got it with like things like

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Harry Potter and The Sorcerer's Stone Lord, the First Fellowship

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of the Rings, Black Hawk, the first Oceans movie, Training Day.

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We're talking about them. We're talking about all of them

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this season and this season only.

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Oh two thousand and six, I mean Daniel Craig. The

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you know, the birth of Daniel Craig is James Bond

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and Cain.

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You know, we're talking about Double O seven, and he's

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not the only iconic character we're talking about, Brad.

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Not your libre in two thousand seconds would be not

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your libre.

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I don't know about not your libre, but I do

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know this. We are talking about one iconic character today, Brad.

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Let's talk about a film by Sylvester Stallone, his two

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thousand and six entry in the popular Rocky franchise Rocky Balboa.

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I think there's just some stuff in a basement basement

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you here. I think I wanted like fight, you know,

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nothing big small stuff like locally?

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What are you trying to prove? Pop?

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I thought you might want to get him involved?

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Don't you think it too? It's you know old, I.

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Think your brain's losing altitude. You're right, Rocky Balboa applied

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for a license.

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You want me to find a guy that I can

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be with both hands high behind my back.

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That computer fight got a lot of people curious.

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Yeah, but I ain't interested in getting like mangled and embarrassed.

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People are gonna think you're going crazy.

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What's crazy about standing toteal toad saying, I am.

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If this is something that you gotta do, then you

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do it.

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Fighters fight to beat this guy. You need speed, you

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don't have it.

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You've got calcium deposits on most of your joints.

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So sparring is out.

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I had that problem.

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So what we'll be calling on is blond forest trauma.

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Heaving do these punches that was rattling his ancestors.

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Let's start building.

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So I want you to think about this. The last

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time you and I opened in a film by season

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was twenty twenty three, and that was five years after

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Sylvester Sloane portrayed Rocky Balboa on the big screen for

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the final time. That was That was Creed two. Yeah,

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I guess so, yeah, but you're back. He's back, We're back.

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We're all back.

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Yeah, the originals.

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Yeah, the originals. There you go. Let's talk about stallone.

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So Bratt listen. Very talented writer, very talented, very talented,

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very talented actor, very talented director.

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Oh yes, in this film, I believe. So he took

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some some kind of visual chances with this. I thought

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he pulled off really well.

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So how about I give you three things you may

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not know about Sylvester Stallone and we'll quote him. Okay, okay. Now,

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the Jason Statham starring films Home Front and A working

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Man Workingman came out last year. I know you're not

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the biggest Statham fan, right, but you should know that

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he wrote both those movies.

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I actually just recently found that out doing my research,

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and it actually really surprised me. I only saw the one,

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the home Front. I didn't know there was two of them.

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Yeah. A working Man, It's it's it's pure stathem. It's

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just fun. Me and my dad love these movies. We

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always go it's one of those like remember when we

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were growing up in the movies for guys who like

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movies TVs. A Workingman is one of those movies. And

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we're watching it's it opens and then opening credits and

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they're written by Sylvester Sloane and I was like, what

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could believe it? And it actually made me. It put

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me on notice. I was like, I now I'm really

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watching this movie because now I really want to pay

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attention to the dialogue in the in the action. And

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it's a fun movie. It's a good movie. You gotta

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check it out.

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Yeah, I will give it a try.

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Did you know that Sylvester Stallone enjoys oil painting as

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one of his hobbies, citing Leonardo da Vinci as his

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personal hero.

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I didn't know that.

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You gotta wonder, like, has he done some oil paintings

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like of his famous characters?

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I think, see, I've seen stuff that he has like around,

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like you know when he does like interviews and stuff

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like that. But I figured that was like, oh, that's

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a prop from like you know, like the oil painting

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from like Rocky three and you know stuff like that.

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Yeah, that's the thing, like who's a guy's named Marcus

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Leman Marcus or something like that. Yeah, I know, Yeah,

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I love that painting. But I gotta wonder if he's

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tried his hand.

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At some I think he has. I bet I bet

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if we looked into I bet he has.

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How badly? How much would you love to see like

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a Marion Cobretti oil painting.

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I'm sure he has one. That's the thing, is I

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bet you he does have one?

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All right?

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One one more thing? Can we talk briefly roles? He

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was offered and turned down, So Brad, you tell me

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if we missed out on something great here, Okay, okay.

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Nineteen seventy eight he turns down Superman and the role

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goes to Christopher Reeve. Okay, good call, good call, right,

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we would never want to change that, no. Nineteen eighty one,

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he turns down the lead role in Arthur, which then

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goes to Dudley Moore.

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Yeah, and he wouldn't have worked for that, could you.

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See, like drunk laughing, goofy. Still, that doesn't work. All right,

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this one's gonna put you on. You're gonna have to

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think about this one. Nineteen eighty five he turns down

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the lead role in Witness, which then goes to Harrison Ford.

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Let's see it was nineteen eighty five. I mean the

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way that carra Rocky four era.

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Yeah, this is Rocky four stallone.

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They would have even if he was gotten that part,

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they would have found some way to turn it into

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more of a summer blockbuster type of film. They would

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want him to be ramped, he would they would want

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him to be ramble.

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I could see him in Kelly McGillis. So that's a

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good match. Yeah, I'm not gonna lie, yeah, all right.

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Nineteen ninety he turns down the role the lead role

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in Pretty Woman, which then goes to Richard Gear.

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It's not for him. You don't think he's just he

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could Noh, yeah, he could do it. But I just

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I just don't think those are the types of roles

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for him, because he Stallone knows first of all, he

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knows when an audience wants, and he knows when an

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audience likes, and he knows how to read an audience really,

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really well. And he's had to move through the times,

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so he had to, you know, by the way he

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wrote in the seventies, the way he did stuff in

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the eighties of the nineties, to you know, the two thousands,

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like he's read the audience so well, and even up

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to this point for this movie.

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All right, listen, I'm I'm with you. Four for four,

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I am agreeing with you, but this fifth and final one,

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I'm wondering if we're gonna agree. In nineteen ninety seven,

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he turns down the lead role in Face Off, which

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then because you're wondering what which one, which then goes

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to John Travolta.

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I think that was a good call of not not

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doing that, because I think he did Copland that year.

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I read it. I had Copland.

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All right, look, okay, well damn it, okay, I listen,

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Copland is sensational. You and I.

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We we did an episode about it.

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Yeah, yeah, we did that one. Go back and check

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out our Copland episode that was. It's a fantastic film.

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But in a world where there's no Copland, he's definitely

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the better pick than Travolta. Travolta was really overacting in

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that one, really hamming it up.

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Yeah, but they were both able to kind of mimic

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each other on that. I don't know how well Stallone's

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impression of Nicholas Cage would be as opposed to Nicholas

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Cage's impression of Sylvester Sloan's because they both kind of

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could riff off of each other.

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All right, Well, yeah, we'll never know. On the Rocky

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character's legacy, Stallone was quoted as saying, people accept Rocky

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Balboa as authentic. I can't tell you how many people

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have come up to me and asked about my boxing career.

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It's like they really want to believe that Rocky exists.

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You know, I'm amazed by all this. At one time,

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I thought people would get over their fascination with the character.

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And move on didn't happen. After thirty years, Rocky has

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taken hold to a degree I never could have imagined.

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So clearly he said that twenty years ago. Because this

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is the fiftieth anniversary. This year, Rocky, Rocky is turning fifty.

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So I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna throw a curball you.

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I'm gonna throw left hook at you.

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Yeah, South Paul, left hook, All right.

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South Paul, left hook. We typically, I normally i'd ask

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you like, hey, Brad, you know, for the listeners have

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that haven't seen or heard of this movie? You know what,

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what's this movie all about? But let's be honest. This season,

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we're doing blockbusters, We're doing big movies. Everyone's heard of this.

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So I'm gonna challenge you. Okay, give me a five

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give me a synopsis of Rocky Balboa. But I'm only

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gonna let you use five words.

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Okay, And after you see the movie, you'll understand why

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these five words. Stuff in the basement.

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Oh that's good. You know, I thought you would have

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said something like one last fight for Balboa or something,

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you know, stuff in the base the stuff in the basement, man,

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that it could that sounds like a horror film. Yeah,

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I guess so. Yeah, but it also it also is

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definitely it's one hundred percent of this movie. Yeah, that's

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really good. You know, I thought you'd want to take

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some time and figure it out, maybe come back to it,

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but you shot from the hit there, you know.

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I just it was. That's the thing that kind of

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stuck with me with this movie, is that.

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Do you you remember the first time you saw this movie? Right?

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I sure did. I was home for Christmas vacation and

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I saw it with you in the movie theater.

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Absolutely, Brad, It's it's no big secret. Rocky bah Ba

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is my all time favorite movie character. We've talked our

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limited series. When we did nineteen seventy six, we obviously

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we covered Rocky Dave and Scott, you know they've got

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the film. At forty five series, we covered Rocky two. Yeah,

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so you know how excited I was to talk about

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Rocky bou Ba and I don't you know, it's highly

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unlikely we'll ever get to talk about three or four

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or you know, the Creed movies. But right, I'm so

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excited that you're here. You know, we saw this movie together.

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I remember we came out. We love this film, right,

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let's just spoiler. We're big fans, right, so, I uh,

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I don't know. I'm one of the great one of

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the things I'm so grateful for. And I think we

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we we kind of decided this back then in two

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thousand and six. This is basically a course correct for

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the Rocky franchise. This basically fixes the abysmal Rocky five.

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Right, And I believe that's that was Stallone's intention. And

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like I said, he he knew we wanted that. I mean, yeah, yeah,

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I'm sure it disappointed him, but he knew the audience

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would have wanted this kind of movie. This not just

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this kind of movie, this this kind of ending for Rocky.

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Yeah, it's a proper ending. Yeah yeah, he claimed he did.

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He decided to do the film because he quote, you know,

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I saw a quote from him. He just wanted people

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to forget about Rocky five. Right, A movie is so bad.

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He just wants you to forget it, right, And I have.

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I've done my very best to forget it.

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Yeah, Brad. He's so unhappy with Rocky five because of

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what he felt was poor acting, an inaccurate story, very

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low box office and bad reviews from both critics and

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fans alike. I you know this was what nineteen ninety

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We were pissed when this came out.

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Yes, the only thing you need to know, the only

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thing you know and you know about Rocky five is

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that he's got to go back to living in Philadelphia.

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They make a bad investment, probably makes a bad investment,

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and they lose a bunch of everybody, and he got

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some brain damage at a little bit, a little bit

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of brain damage from Drago. But that's it. That's all

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you need to know.

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Here's what's great, though, you you really don't need Rocky

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five at all. And here's why. At the end of

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Rocky four, I know we're going to go along here,

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but I'm getting I'm getting loud up now. At the

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end of Rocky four, we know that he is no

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longer the champion, right, he has to relinquish the belt.

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That was the deal. Whether you're watching Rocky four or

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the much better version, the Rocky versus Drago, the director's

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got created which is awesome in that they go on

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a little more into detail about how you know they

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won't sanction the fight. If he's gonna go, he will

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give up the title and he gives up the title.

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So Rocky goes to Russia. No, he's no longer the champion,

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and so we don't have to worry about him losing

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the losing the title right right, and then I just

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like the idea of all these years later, after Adrian

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passes away, he just he just decided, Hey, I'm gonna

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I'm gonna move back to the old neighborhood. That's where

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I'm comfortable. You know, He's not gonna roll around that

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mansion by himself. So he's got money. Obviously, he owns

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and operates his own restaurant in a really nice place.

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I think seeing that this is where Rocky ends up,

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I think it's very it's very fitting for him. He's, yes,

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he knows the neighborhood, he loves the people. He's he's Rocky,

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you know, he's he's still considered one of the greatest

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heavyweight champions of the world. He you know, like I said,

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he's got that restaurant and you know, it's like almost

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kind of like a uh Jack Ruby's and the Cincinnati

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type of like restaurant. You know, very you know, so

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he's he's doing really well and you're like yeah. Adrian's like,

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oh that's perfect. You're like, yeah, this is a great

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place for Rocky to end up. Yeah, but it's missing

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one thing. What thing that he's got to get That

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thing he's got to get out. Okay, thing he's got

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to get out.

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Okay, we'll get there. And I know we got to

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talk about stallone and Tarvor, but first let's take a

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Welcome back. We've been talking about Rocky Balboa, the film

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celebrating its twentieth anniversary this year. Brad, like I said,

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we've covered two Rocky films already on this show, so

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save Uster Sloane playing Rocky bo Boa. He's fifty nine

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years old at the time of filming. I gotta tell you, man,

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I just that blows my mind. He looks he looks fantastic.

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Well what I what I like about you don't when

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he becomes Rocky, you don't see Sylvester Stallon. He lets

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himself become this kind of goofy. And if he also

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notice too, when he's Rocky, Rocky's always moving. Rocky's always

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moving his shoulders. He's always got that kind of thing,

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like he's in the ring. He's always he's always kind

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of doing that. He's always moving the the awful jokes.

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You know, he's just he's so comfortable being that character

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that he doesn't Yeah, he doesn't. He's fit. He just

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fits it so well, like he's just so comfortable. So

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you can tell that like he missed playing Rocky this way.

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You know, we kind of got a little way once

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we got to Rocky three and four, it became a

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little bit of Rocky was more a little didn't seem

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like the bowbo from the first film. Well, the time

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you get he this seems like this is the bow

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ball from the first at least the first kind of

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two films, that lovable guy, you know, that lovable guy

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that we loved.

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That's fair though, because in the eighties, you know it,

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it's all about excess, right, It's all about big, fast,

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like music video style action.

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So Sylvester Sloane knew that. That's why he had to

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change the format for Rocky three and four, because he

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knew what an audience wanted.

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He pivots and he's and he's smart to do it.

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He trained six months to get back into fighting shape.

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And again the more I watch this, uh, I'm just amazed.

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And I love the fact that you know, you're talking

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about going back to like the basics, like the original

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look of Rocky. You know, he does have a little

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more size to him, you know, he's two seventeen. Normally

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Rocky's fighting weight is like two o two, so he's

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a little bit bigger's a little bit heavier. I like but

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I like it. I think it's I think it's phenomenal

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that slone was able to climb into the ring, believably

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climb into the ring at fifty nine and us not go,

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this is ridiculous. He you know, like the line would

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murder him, right, he.

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Thinks, he thinks like a he thinks like an audience member.

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He knew that too. That's why he trained for six months.

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I mean, Stalloon's always been in shape, but he knew

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that the audience has got to believe that I'm in

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the ring with this real professional fighter at my age.

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So I mean, yeah, that's why he you know, he

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did the work. And then I mean some of the

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stuff in the with the exception of the throwing of

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the kegs of beer, some of that stuff's training stuff

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that he does lifting weights, is I think all him.

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It's got to be. It's got to be. Let's talk

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about Antonio Tarver. He's playing the adversary Mason the line Dixon.

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Before we get into a little bit about him. Your

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thoughts on on the line, like is is is this

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a good uh? Where? You know, we've seen clubber Lang,

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We've seen Ivan Drago, Apollo Creed, what do you where

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do you put Mason the line Dixon is he? You know?

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I think it's a good character because it's a very rare,

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realistic character. You know what happens. And even Slone said

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something that he kind of based Antonio Tarvor on kind

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of how he took a lot of advice from others

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that turned out to be the wrong kind of advice

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towards his career.

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Oh wow, I didn't know.

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And yeah, so I felt that character was very believable

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because yeah, they all get big and then what if

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it's like people think you're a chump because you know

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you're And I remember thinking like, yeah, Mike Tyson used

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to just knock out like people after like a round

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and a half, you know, and just be like this

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is just such a waste. So I got it that

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he wanted to be like I can I Am I

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really something? He's asking the same questions that Rocky asks himself.

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Am I deserving of this?

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Yeah? So let's talk boxing. Antonio Tarvor takes this role

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after boxing great. Roy Jones Junior refuses to answer Stalone's calls.

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Stalone calls him like thirty times to say, hey, you know,

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and Roy Jones Junior, he's one of the he's one

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of the all time greats. But he's just not interested

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in doing this, so Antonio Tarvor gets the job. Brad

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Tarvar has won multiple titles, becoming the WBC, the WBA, IBF,

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and Ring Magazine Light Heavyweight Champion of the World. He

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also held the IBO light Heavyweight and Cruiserweight titles, which

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unified the belts when he knocked out none other than

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Roy Jones Junior. Okay, I think we got the right

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guy in the ring. A couple other things about this guy,

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the chance. You know what I love about this You

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mentioned earlier you said, like, hey, Sloan takes some chances

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with like the cinematagraphy, and I'm I'm assuming that you're

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alluding to the fact that we're we're like shooting thirty

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five millimeter but in the fight scenes it's high def

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HBO ringside.

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I thought that was so neat. You literally are in

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that mode. It transports you into that mode of you're

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watching a fight on HBO.

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Watch.

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Yeah, and it's i mean, the way they got, the

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way it's filmed. He does it so good you wouldn't

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know the difference.

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So you got you know, Mason Dixon, his his team,

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they're all holding up his his multiple titles. But right

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in the movie, Brad, those championship belts are his actual

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real life belts. Yeah. I think that's awesome. I mean,

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that's this is one This has been deemed one of

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the most realistic Rocky films of all time, and it's

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stuff like that that does it for us. Yeah. Tarvor,

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who's obviously you know, he's a he's a he's a

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champion as pro. You know, he was the champion at

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the time of filming. Uh so he only trained for

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five weeks, but he did have to put on another

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twenty five pounds before before the movie. Yeah, I mean,

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you got you remember he's light heavyweight champion, he's cruiserweight.

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He's got to put a little size on to go

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up against.

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Stallone's two on camera. Yeah, and it's like, Okay, we

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got to at least believe that you're my size.

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Yeah, I mean, and we're used to like Rocky films

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where they they look like action figures. You know a Paul.

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You know, Carl Weathers looked incredible in the first Rocky

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and the second Rocky. So when people I've had people say, well,

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you know, the guy just I don't know if he

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looked all that big and all that that imposing. Well,

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that's because he's a cruiserweight and he put packs on

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twenty five pounds, so he's gonna look a little undefined.

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He's gonna look a little little doughey. But he had

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to put on the weight, you know, to make it believable.

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Here's one thing, you know, he's obviously he's he's the

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adversary to Rocky Baba. And in true antagonistic fashion, filming

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of the fight scene was delayed by Tarvor until he

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was guaranteed a higher salary. And you got to keep

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in mind they shoot the fight scene at the beginning

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of the movie while Stallone is in his prime shape.

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That way the rest of the movie he can he

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can direct, he doesn't have to stay so jacked, right, right,

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So you know, Stallone says, all right, fine, stillne gives

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up a significant amount of his salary to Tarvor to

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make this happen.

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Well, I mean, I remember I was working at a bar.

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I was bartending at a bar when the that we

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had whatever fight that went on. After they filmed this

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fight I was working that they had to like the

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bar was working at were showing that pay per view

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fight and I was very busy time, and I remember

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people kept saying like, Oh, they're filming a Rocky movie

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here and stuff like that, and I was just so busy.

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But I remember that them saying they were filming a

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Rocky movie, but I never got to look up and

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see it.

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You're talking about the Bernard Hopkins fight.

466
00:25:59.279 --> 00:26:02.799
Yeah, where I was working, they were playing it on TV.

467
00:26:03.680 --> 00:26:05.039
It was like it was one of the pay per

468
00:26:05.160 --> 00:26:08.799
view fights and uh so we were charging a cover charge.

469
00:26:08.839 --> 00:26:11.160
But and the background I could hear like, oh, yeah,

470
00:26:11.200 --> 00:26:13.480
we're doing the Rocky bout thing and stuff like that,

471
00:26:13.519 --> 00:26:15.799
and I thought that was just really cool. It was like,

472
00:26:15.839 --> 00:26:18.000
oh yeah, I was I remember when they were filming that.

473
00:26:18.599 --> 00:26:21.759
You know what, that that's gonna lead me to something.

474
00:26:21.799 --> 00:26:23.519
So I'll tell you what. Let's just jump into the

475
00:26:23.599 --> 00:26:27.400
a little bit of insight in the film's background. Brett,

476
00:26:27.400 --> 00:26:29.480
I'm gonna I'm gonna you know, you know, I love Rocky,

477
00:26:29.559 --> 00:26:31.960
so I'm gonna try to contain myself. But because I

478
00:26:31.960 --> 00:26:33.680
got I got a lot here, but uh, you know,

479
00:26:33.720 --> 00:26:35.880
I know you've got some stuff too. Let me start

480
00:26:35.880 --> 00:26:40.039
off with this. In nineteen ninety nine, still unhappy with

481
00:26:40.160 --> 00:26:44.079
the failure of Rocky five, Slide makes the decision to

482
00:26:44.160 --> 00:26:48.359
give the Rocky franchise a proper ending, like we talked about, right,

483
00:26:48.720 --> 00:26:50.720
But it takes six years to get the studio to

484
00:26:50.720 --> 00:26:51.240
green lighted.

485
00:26:51.920 --> 00:26:56.319
Well, I mean stallone once once like two thousand hit

486
00:26:58.119 --> 00:27:03.720
wasn't the biggest bankable as far as movie stars. So

487
00:27:04.799 --> 00:27:06.400
I can see it, and I can also see the

488
00:27:06.400 --> 00:27:09.039
disappointment that they're like, no, look, look what happened with

489
00:27:09.119 --> 00:27:09.960
us with Rocky five?

490
00:27:10.079 --> 00:27:11.720
You know, Oh gosh, yeah.

491
00:27:11.880 --> 00:27:15.559
So it had been so you said, from the Rocky

492
00:27:15.599 --> 00:27:19.559
five till this film was what sixteen years.

493
00:27:20.039 --> 00:27:22.720
Something like that, So I mean a long time.

494
00:27:22.920 --> 00:27:23.000
Ye.

495
00:27:24.680 --> 00:27:26.559
All the other ones like a couple of years, you know,

496
00:27:26.599 --> 00:27:29.079
stuff like that, but this one was a long time.

497
00:27:29.240 --> 00:27:38.839
So the revival kind of trend of reviving things, you know,

498
00:27:38.960 --> 00:27:42.079
even though somebody is maybe too old for it. This

499
00:27:42.279 --> 00:27:45.279
was before that kind of trend kind of came back,

500
00:27:45.519 --> 00:27:48.079
you know, before the Jamie Lea Curtis is coming back

501
00:27:48.119 --> 00:27:52.400
for Halloween, and you know, the guys from Star Wars

502
00:27:52.400 --> 00:27:55.160
coming back is like he did this kind of early.

503
00:27:56.000 --> 00:27:58.599
That's a good point. You're talking about the legacy sequel

504
00:27:58.759 --> 00:28:01.400
where we kind of we kind of ignore what's happened

505
00:28:01.400 --> 00:28:03.839
and we just we bring the original back. Yeah.

506
00:28:03.880 --> 00:28:05.559
I mean, i'd say once, once you hit that ten

507
00:28:05.640 --> 00:28:08.920
year mark between sequels, it's like, all right, then that's

508
00:28:08.960 --> 00:28:12.160
that's too long unless that was the actual intention. So

509
00:28:13.279 --> 00:28:16.079
you're reviving at least that and that. And I think

510
00:28:16.720 --> 00:28:19.400
you you I don't know this for sure, but you

511
00:28:19.400 --> 00:28:21.279
would not have those Creed films if it wasn't for

512
00:28:21.880 --> 00:28:22.519
this film.

513
00:28:23.200 --> 00:28:25.240
You can't have the Creed films without this film. You're

514
00:28:25.240 --> 00:28:29.000
absolutely right, And that's a spectacular franchise on its own.

515
00:28:30.920 --> 00:28:36.400
Sage Stallone doesn't he doesn't reprise his role as Rocky's

516
00:28:36.400 --> 00:28:39.920
son Robert, and I was kind of fascinated when I

517
00:28:40.000 --> 00:28:43.200
found out why, because you know, he had played he'd

518
00:28:43.240 --> 00:28:45.759
played Robert what once or twice? I think I think

519
00:28:45.759 --> 00:28:51.880
Baby Rocky was actually Sage Yeah and then but uh yeah, yeah,

520
00:28:51.920 --> 00:28:54.200
well yeah, he's the he's that punk kid, you know,

521
00:28:54.559 --> 00:28:57.519
he's the brat. Let's just call it what it is yeah,

522
00:28:57.599 --> 00:28:59.119
you know, but that's that's the character. That was the

523
00:28:59.160 --> 00:29:01.119
character he was playing. And then I think he was

524
00:29:01.160 --> 00:29:03.720
like you know when they when you see him as

525
00:29:03.759 --> 00:29:05.599
a toddler and like Rocky three or you know, you

526
00:29:05.640 --> 00:29:07.880
see him as a baby. I think that might have

527
00:29:07.920 --> 00:29:12.720
been him too. But anyways, because the character Robert I'm

528
00:29:12.720 --> 00:29:15.680
talking about Rocky son, because the character believes he is

529
00:29:16.319 --> 00:29:20.119
quote unquote living in his father's shadow, and this film

530
00:29:20.200 --> 00:29:24.440
does deal with some serious personal family conflict, Selene was

531
00:29:24.440 --> 00:29:26.720
concerned that the public would read too much into that

532
00:29:27.759 --> 00:29:29.839
and think that there's something going on between him and

533
00:29:29.839 --> 00:29:34.799
his actual son, so he recast the part with Milo Vendemiglia.

534
00:29:35.759 --> 00:29:38.680
And it's partially due this guy gets the job because

535
00:29:38.680 --> 00:29:40.599
he has similar facial features to Rocky.

536
00:29:41.160 --> 00:29:44.240
And as I'm sitting there watching it last night or

537
00:29:44.240 --> 00:29:48.200
the other night, I'm watching his face and I'm like,

538
00:29:48.960 --> 00:29:51.279
is he doing that on purpose or is that just

539
00:29:51.400 --> 00:29:54.920
I'm like, how the hell did they get his I

540
00:29:54.920 --> 00:29:58.480
mean it was you would not, you know, think that

541
00:29:58.519 --> 00:30:00.440
these two were not related to each other or not

542
00:30:00.559 --> 00:30:03.559
fathering his son. They you know, and the fact that

543
00:30:03.599 --> 00:30:06.519
he's a trained actor I think just made it so

544
00:30:06.640 --> 00:30:09.680
much better. And absolutely, and I love that. I mean

545
00:30:09.720 --> 00:30:13.480
because his actual name is Rocky Junior. So now we're

546
00:30:13.519 --> 00:30:16.720
saying that he wants to go by Robert. He wants

547
00:30:16.720 --> 00:30:20.440
to stay away from that Rocky persona, you know, so

548
00:30:20.480 --> 00:30:23.519
he's he's trying to be Robert, you know now, not

549
00:30:23.720 --> 00:30:24.400
Rocky Junior.

550
00:30:25.240 --> 00:30:27.400
Uh, you taught you kind of highlighted the fact that

551
00:30:27.519 --> 00:30:30.839
this fight that you were working, you know, you know,

552
00:30:30.920 --> 00:30:33.200
you're working that night there you're watching the actual fight

553
00:30:33.519 --> 00:30:36.920
that uh that's going on where hey, Rocky's in town.

554
00:30:37.799 --> 00:30:42.000
So all feasible locations for this fight were already booked

555
00:30:42.039 --> 00:30:46.240
by real events. Stallone has the idea, Hey, let's you know,

556
00:30:46.279 --> 00:30:48.200
there's a pay per view event going on at the

557
00:30:48.200 --> 00:30:51.359
mandele A Resort Casino in Las Vegas. You know, that's

558
00:30:51.400 --> 00:30:54.640
the Bernard Hopkins Jermaine Taylor fight that you you were

559
00:30:54.680 --> 00:30:57.559
you got to see brad by the way, Hopkins lost

560
00:30:57.559 --> 00:31:01.240
his title in a very controversial split discay. So you

561
00:31:01.279 --> 00:31:03.240
can tell that, you know, the fans are already the

562
00:31:03.519 --> 00:31:06.880
crowd's already riled up. And then oh yeah, but here's

563
00:31:06.880 --> 00:31:10.240
what's here's what's awesome. They were not instructed to stand

564
00:31:10.319 --> 00:31:14.079
up and chant Rocky yeah, they did it naturally when

565
00:31:14.079 --> 00:31:18.279
they see stallone walking towards the ring. What awesome is that? Oh? Yeah,

566
00:31:18.279 --> 00:31:21.160
I would, I absolutely would. I got a question for you.

567
00:31:21.599 --> 00:31:24.400
Tell me if this makes sense. The film was sent

568
00:31:24.440 --> 00:31:26.559
to theaters, you know, like directors like to use like

569
00:31:26.640 --> 00:31:31.240
code names. Yeah, Blue Harvests, you know stars.

570
00:31:30.839 --> 00:31:32.160
Is the one that comes to mind.

571
00:31:32.599 --> 00:31:35.160
Rocky Balba went out to theaters under the code name

572
00:31:35.880 --> 00:31:37.319
Nobody Parties.

573
00:31:37.920 --> 00:31:43.880
Okay, okay, you know it's a It's a name perfect

574
00:31:43.960 --> 00:31:46.759
for it because no one would ask any questions. They'd

575
00:31:46.759 --> 00:31:49.599
be like that, that doesn't sound interesting at all.

576
00:31:50.119 --> 00:31:51.720
Let me ask you, Let me ask you a feeling

577
00:31:51.759 --> 00:31:54.480
on this. Uh. This is the only Rocky movie where

578
00:31:54.480 --> 00:31:57.480
the famous red, white and blue trunks are not worn,

579
00:31:58.319 --> 00:31:59.039
the only one.

580
00:31:59.799 --> 00:32:02.279
And I think it was good to put him to rest.

581
00:32:02.519 --> 00:32:06.480
I think it was good that he drago finished him off,

582
00:32:06.640 --> 00:32:10.759
you know, Okay, I think that even though I think Yo,

583
00:32:10.920 --> 00:32:12.799
I forgot Rocky five, he gave it them.

584
00:32:13.720 --> 00:32:15.960
It's always it's always fun in the the older Rocky

585
00:32:15.960 --> 00:32:18.799
movies where we get some cameos by real boxers, yes,

586
00:32:18.839 --> 00:32:20.920
you know, who are playing themselves. Here we get Mike

587
00:32:20.960 --> 00:32:27.640
t Mike Tyson's ring side, you know, talking trash to Yeah,

588
00:32:27.759 --> 00:32:30.640
so all his all his uh his lines are ad

589
00:32:30.680 --> 00:32:36.319
libbed in the moment, mm hmm, which surprises me because, Uh,

590
00:32:36.440 --> 00:32:39.319
when I met Mike Tyson last year, he he was

591
00:32:39.400 --> 00:32:41.039
he was very tight lipped. He had he had very

592
00:32:41.039 --> 00:32:45.000
little to say. Oh, nothing to say. If he's listened,

593
00:32:45.039 --> 00:32:46.680
I'm you know, no, you know yeah.

594
00:32:46.880 --> 00:32:49.680
And I think here's the thing is that when that

595
00:32:49.960 --> 00:32:55.079
Jake Paul Mike Tyson fight happened, I really was hoping

596
00:32:55.079 --> 00:32:58.279
it would be a Rocky Balboa type of fight the

597
00:32:58.279 --> 00:33:02.160
way it was in this movie. And wow, was I disappointed?

598
00:33:02.400 --> 00:33:03.920
Yeah, well at least.

599
00:33:03.799 --> 00:33:06.720
But that's what I was literally hoping for. I was like, oh,

600
00:33:06.799 --> 00:33:08.680
I want to see I want to see the old

601
00:33:08.799 --> 00:33:10.119
champ get back in there, you know.

602
00:33:10.200 --> 00:33:12.519
And I would have loved that absolutely.

603
00:33:12.559 --> 00:33:16.200
But let's say he should have trained like Stallone trained.

604
00:33:16.519 --> 00:33:20.680
He should have but you're talking about the old champs. Uh,

605
00:33:20.720 --> 00:33:23.960
this is interesting. Let's let's talk about this. So, when

606
00:33:23.960 --> 00:33:27.559
it was announced that Stallone was writing a new Rocky film,

607
00:33:27.599 --> 00:33:32.920
Tommy Morrison, who played Tommy Gunn in Rocky five, attempted

608
00:33:33.240 --> 00:33:37.160
to contact Stallone about reprising his character, and those calls

609
00:33:37.160 --> 00:33:37.880
went unanswered.

610
00:33:37.880 --> 00:33:41.279
Brad didn't there was no place for him. There's no

611
00:33:41.440 --> 00:33:42.000
place for him.

612
00:33:42.000 --> 00:33:45.559
Minute, it's I'm glad. But it's interesting that you say

613
00:33:45.559 --> 00:33:48.039
there's no place for him, because I do want to

614
00:33:48.039 --> 00:33:52.640
talk quickly about the original script and how it was.

615
00:33:53.079 --> 00:33:56.519
People are shoehorned into this thing. The original script is

616
00:33:56.559 --> 00:34:01.720
called Rocky six Puncher's Chance. Yep, now you know that

617
00:34:01.799 --> 00:34:03.279
you know the stuff about Adrian. Correct.

618
00:34:03.480 --> 00:34:08.559
Yeah, So in the original script, she was still alive

619
00:34:08.880 --> 00:34:13.280
and Robert was away in the Air Force. But it

620
00:34:13.440 --> 00:34:17.199
just wasn't having that emotional kind of like no pun

621
00:34:17.239 --> 00:34:22.199
intended punch that that the film needed. So they they

622
00:34:22.280 --> 00:34:25.920
both both tali Shire and Sewstillone, agreed that she would

623
00:34:26.000 --> 00:34:29.199
be killed off, and they wanted everyone to know that

624
00:34:29.280 --> 00:34:31.679
there there was no hard feelings. It wasn't because she

625
00:34:31.760 --> 00:34:33.239
was just written out stone her and got to fight.

626
00:34:33.440 --> 00:34:38.159
She publicly went out and supported Stallone killing off Adrian.

627
00:34:38.880 --> 00:34:39.800
I did not know that.

628
00:34:40.440 --> 00:34:42.760
I knew that she wanted. She wanted the fans to

629
00:34:42.840 --> 00:34:45.920
know that it wasn't like a conflict of interest. She

630
00:34:46.000 --> 00:34:50.000
goes for that story, she goes, Adrian needed to be dead,

631
00:34:50.800 --> 00:34:54.440
and I think after seeing it, Yeah, and it works

632
00:34:54.440 --> 00:34:55.519
for this film.

633
00:34:55.880 --> 00:34:58.679
It does. You can't have you wouldn't.

634
00:34:59.239 --> 00:35:02.000
He wouldn't need to fight if she was alive, he wouldn't.

635
00:35:02.039 --> 00:35:05.400
He definitely wouldn't fight. Yeah, and you know we don't

636
00:35:05.440 --> 00:35:07.079
need her going. You don't need to do this. You

637
00:35:07.119 --> 00:35:09.320
can't wait. You know we don't need that anymore. So

638
00:35:09.719 --> 00:35:12.320
good choice. Let me let me throw this at you

639
00:35:13.360 --> 00:35:18.599
again the original script. Other notable characters included clubber Lang

640
00:35:19.480 --> 00:35:22.840
as a ringside commentator who would have been making negative

641
00:35:22.880 --> 00:35:26.400
comments about Rocky during the fight. I could have went

642
00:35:26.440 --> 00:35:26.639
for that.

643
00:35:26.719 --> 00:35:28.480
I think I could have went for that.

644
00:35:29.079 --> 00:35:31.960
Yeah, here's what I here's what I can't go for.

645
00:35:32.000 --> 00:35:33.760
And I'm so glad this got This one got cut

646
00:35:33.760 --> 00:35:37.679
and you probably know about this one. Unbelievably, there was

647
00:35:37.719 --> 00:35:43.159
a scene where Rocky visits Ivan Drago in the hospital

648
00:35:44.000 --> 00:35:47.159
and Drago is in the hospital because he's dying of

649
00:35:47.320 --> 00:35:52.440
aids due to steroid abuse like sharing needles, and Rocky

650
00:35:52.639 --> 00:35:56.800
allegedly tells a nurse if he dies, he dies, which

651
00:35:56.840 --> 00:35:59.880
is the very line that Drago offers about Apollo and

652
00:36:00.039 --> 00:36:04.840
Rocky four that I don't know about that.

653
00:36:04.840 --> 00:36:10.000
That's not Rocky, what was Rocky? Babo would never say that.

654
00:36:09.920 --> 00:36:13.760
He would never do that. Yeah, speaking of Apollo though,

655
00:36:14.840 --> 00:36:16.880
I don't know if you noticed this, because we get

656
00:36:16.920 --> 00:36:20.920
some really cool flashbacks in this film, you know, just

657
00:36:20.960 --> 00:36:23.159
to turn up that nostalgia. But uh, you won't see

658
00:36:23.159 --> 00:36:29.480
Apollo Creede in any of these flashbacks. And it feels wrong, honestly. Uh.

659
00:36:29.519 --> 00:36:33.280
And the reason being sadly is that Carl Weathers had

660
00:36:33.320 --> 00:36:39.400
filed a lawsuit against Loan and MGM over alleged unpaid

661
00:36:39.440 --> 00:36:43.360
royalties from previous Rocky films. So the producers were told,

662
00:36:43.400 --> 00:36:46.280
you are absolutely not allowed to use his image or

663
00:36:46.360 --> 00:36:49.440
likeness in any way. And that's that's just sad. You know,

664
00:36:49.480 --> 00:36:52.519
it bumms me out that it ended that way between.

665
00:36:52.719 --> 00:36:58.559
Its showed business, you know, I mean. And but I

666
00:36:58.800 --> 00:37:02.159
don't think any of the flash if you're up to

667
00:37:02.280 --> 00:37:06.400
Rocky Balboa, Yeah, we don't need any flashbacks. We've gone

668
00:37:06.559 --> 00:37:08.840
We've gone through the whole spirit. We're not just like,

669
00:37:08.880 --> 00:37:12.119
oh I went one to uh six, No, no, no, no,

670
00:37:12.280 --> 00:37:14.760
we went through this whole thing. I'm caught up.

671
00:37:15.519 --> 00:37:18.719
Here's one that fascinates me. The film. You know, we've

672
00:37:18.719 --> 00:37:20.960
talked about this is the most realistic boxing we've seen.

673
00:37:21.599 --> 00:37:25.239
One reason for that can be attributed to sound, the

674
00:37:25.320 --> 00:37:28.880
sound design in the previous Rocky films, the sound effects

675
00:37:28.920 --> 00:37:30.639
for the punches, and this is gonna blow your mind.

676
00:37:30.679 --> 00:37:35.519
I think they use shotgun blasts. I believe that broken bottles,

677
00:37:36.440 --> 00:37:41.320
chains and baseball bats hitting wet leather now, that one,

678
00:37:41.320 --> 00:37:45.119
I definitely believe. Uh, you know what they used for

679
00:37:45.159 --> 00:37:46.800
the punching sounds in this one.

680
00:37:47.599 --> 00:37:49.119
It was something very basic.

681
00:37:49.960 --> 00:37:51.280
Yes, actual punching sounds.

682
00:37:51.320 --> 00:37:53.320
Yeah, just actual like punching sounds.

683
00:37:53.119 --> 00:37:59.519
They just recorded boxers getting punched. That's that's it. The thought.

684
00:37:59.760 --> 00:38:05.000
And if you've noticed on the Rocky four Drago versus

685
00:38:06.320 --> 00:38:10.400
Rocky versus Drago, the punches or the original Rocky for

686
00:38:10.880 --> 00:38:15.519
the punches, yes, sounded like shotguns when like Drago would hit.

687
00:38:15.599 --> 00:38:17.719
I mean it was just like it was. It was

688
00:38:17.800 --> 00:38:21.679
a little much. Now he has put in real punches

689
00:38:21.719 --> 00:38:25.599
and it makes it it It doesn't really take away

690
00:38:25.639 --> 00:38:29.880
the ferocity of Drago, but it just it feels a

691
00:38:30.000 --> 00:38:31.119
little bit more realistic.

692
00:38:31.559 --> 00:38:37.400
I saw Dolph Lungern last month in person, and he's

693
00:38:37.400 --> 00:38:40.360
still he can play Drago right now. Yeah, And I'm

694
00:38:40.400 --> 00:38:43.599
telling you right now, if he punched someone, I would

695
00:38:43.639 --> 00:38:44.840
expect a shotgun blast.

696
00:38:45.360 --> 00:38:48.440
Yes, whatever he hits, he.

697
00:38:48.199 --> 00:38:53.599
Travages eighteen hundred and fifty pounds. Brad. Yeah, whatever he hits,

698
00:38:53.599 --> 00:38:57.679
he this throws this true. Stallone has confirmed that this

699
00:38:57.800 --> 00:39:01.280
film is his favorite movie. He has been quoted as saying,

700
00:39:01.880 --> 00:39:04.320
I sat around for six years trying to make that film,

701
00:39:04.360 --> 00:39:06.559
and when it came out, I was so proud of

702
00:39:06.639 --> 00:39:08.480
it because of what we had to go through to

703
00:39:08.519 --> 00:39:12.199
get it done. It his favorite Rocky film over the

704
00:39:12.199 --> 00:39:13.480
first one. That surprises me.

705
00:39:14.079 --> 00:39:17.239
I'd say it's my second favorite over the first one

706
00:39:18.840 --> 00:39:24.239
because it's so it's so true to Rocky and just yeah,

707
00:39:24.320 --> 00:39:27.239
and you can just tell he loves playing this character.

708
00:39:28.079 --> 00:39:31.320
He loves being Rocky. It's just a chance for him

709
00:39:31.320 --> 00:39:33.719
to be so much have so much fun.

710
00:39:34.440 --> 00:39:36.920
We're gonna take another break, but when we come back,

711
00:39:37.599 --> 00:39:42.280
we're gonna talk about the scene. Brand I know there's

712
00:39:42.320 --> 00:39:44.840
a scene you want to discuss. There's a scene I

713
00:39:44.840 --> 00:39:48.920
want to discuss. I want to know what scene you

714
00:39:48.960 --> 00:39:52.440
want to talk about, But more importantly, why you chose it?

715
00:39:52.519 --> 00:39:54.760
You know, is it because of the cinematography, is it

716
00:39:54.760 --> 00:39:57.880
because of a strong performance? Is it the pivotal moment?

717
00:39:57.960 --> 00:39:59.559
You know, we've talked about pivot moments plenty of the

718
00:39:59.639 --> 00:40:02.480
r But what scene you want to talk about?

719
00:40:02.679 --> 00:40:06.239
Mine is my still my favorite scene from when I

720
00:40:06.239 --> 00:40:09.159
first saw it. It is when he goes and he

721
00:40:09.280 --> 00:40:13.760
visits Polly at the uh the meat packing plant, and

722
00:40:14.199 --> 00:40:16.480
you know, that's when he tells Polly he's thinking about

723
00:40:16.519 --> 00:40:19.440
fighting again, you know. And Paullie, you know is what

724
00:40:19.519 --> 00:40:25.480
you haven't peaked yet. And Stallone, you know, And as

725
00:40:25.519 --> 00:40:28.400
soon as Paulie mentions a scene, you know, a quick

726
00:40:28.440 --> 00:40:31.960
line is because Adrian died or because Adrian left.

727
00:40:31.719 --> 00:40:34.880
You are making just because Adrian left you?

728
00:40:34.960 --> 00:40:43.119
Yeah, and Stallone just turns into this emotional just machine,

729
00:40:43.239 --> 00:40:44.840
which I think is some of his best writing and

730
00:40:44.920 --> 00:40:49.760
best acting I've ever seen him. It's so authentic and

731
00:40:49.800 --> 00:40:53.280
you can so relate to him, and you feel for

732
00:40:53.400 --> 00:40:56.519
him so bad and you want him And if if

733
00:40:56.559 --> 00:40:58.840
by this point you want don't want him to get

734
00:40:58.840 --> 00:41:01.480
in the ring, then then turn this movie off because

735
00:41:01.519 --> 00:41:05.360
you want this for him so bad. And you see

736
00:41:05.400 --> 00:41:09.159
why he's you know, going through that, and the fact

737
00:41:09.199 --> 00:41:11.960
that he even reaches Pauli, which is hard to do,

738
00:41:12.639 --> 00:41:15.960
you know, and he's like, calm down, Rocky because he

739
00:41:16.039 --> 00:41:20.840
knows what what Rocky can do you know. So I

740
00:41:20.880 --> 00:41:26.559
think that of course Bilkanti's music during it helps that

741
00:41:26.599 --> 00:41:32.320
great beautiful score, but that for me is I think

742
00:41:32.360 --> 00:41:35.039
that kind of sums up, you know, besides the five words,

743
00:41:35.199 --> 00:41:40.000
like that kind of sums up his purpose in that film,

744
00:41:40.360 --> 00:41:44.320
and it is just back to I just want to

745
00:41:44.960 --> 00:41:46.400
you know, I've got to get this out, you know.

746
00:41:46.400 --> 00:41:47.880
And it also kind of goes back to that some

747
00:41:47.920 --> 00:41:51.440
of that stuff and like Rocky for like we're the gladiators,

748
00:41:51.480 --> 00:41:53.480
We're we have to do this because we're the warriors,

749
00:41:54.159 --> 00:41:56.960
and you know type of things. So I think that

750
00:41:57.000 --> 00:41:58.679
one was my favorite. I remember seeing that in the

751
00:41:58.679 --> 00:42:01.920
theater and it really it choked me up watching it,

752
00:42:02.039 --> 00:42:05.960
you know. So, so I think that's a great, fantastic scene.

753
00:42:06.039 --> 00:42:09.800
You're choosing this scene basically for the for the performance.

754
00:42:09.360 --> 00:42:14.280
Right the performance in the fact that you you you

755
00:42:14.360 --> 00:42:17.800
really get down to Rocky in that scene. He really

756
00:42:17.880 --> 00:42:22.159
lets himself completely become vulnerable with the way he breaks down.

757
00:42:22.280 --> 00:42:25.079
It's like he finally just kind of gives in and

758
00:42:25.119 --> 00:42:29.440
you see this, you know, giant warrior turn into this

759
00:42:30.719 --> 00:42:32.239
very hurting man.

760
00:42:33.119 --> 00:42:37.880
You're we're talking about stuff in the basement. Uh, it's

761
00:42:38.320 --> 00:42:43.280
it's stallone going for it. Uh, maybe, Brad, this is

762
00:42:43.320 --> 00:42:45.079
the scene I wanted to talk about as well. So

763
00:42:46.480 --> 00:42:50.760
it's it's it's maybe his best acting in the franchise.

764
00:42:52.119 --> 00:42:57.920
Rocky is in such monumental pain. It's heartbreaking to watch.

765
00:42:57.960 --> 00:43:00.599
You can't watch this scene and not get joked up

766
00:43:00.960 --> 00:43:03.880
a little bit and and just feel for this guy

767
00:43:04.559 --> 00:43:08.599
because for years we've seen him endure physical pain, but

768
00:43:08.719 --> 00:43:10.000
this is emotional pain.

769
00:43:10.239 --> 00:43:10.440
You know.

770
00:43:10.519 --> 00:43:12.639
He can handle the physical pain, he can handle.

771
00:43:12.400 --> 00:43:15.920
That, yeah, but the loss of his wife and the

772
00:43:16.039 --> 00:43:20.480
alienation of his son has created this this anger inside him,

773
00:43:20.679 --> 00:43:26.679
and it's fueled by just incredible loneliness. And you know,

774
00:43:26.760 --> 00:43:29.800
he he turns to the only thing he knows, which

775
00:43:29.840 --> 00:43:34.840
is fighting. Yeah, And to see him have that that

776
00:43:34.920 --> 00:43:37.000
gleam in his eye and he's kind of excited and

777
00:43:37.079 --> 00:43:39.960
just to see people just try to knock him down,

778
00:43:40.119 --> 00:43:43.440
you know, it's like, yeah, yeah, you have beaked, you

779
00:43:43.519 --> 00:43:46.159
have it beaked. You know. His son is like, come on,

780
00:43:46.280 --> 00:43:47.400
what do you what are you trying to prove?

781
00:43:47.440 --> 00:43:47.719
Bob?

782
00:43:48.320 --> 00:43:51.159
Yeah, the Boxing Commission is like he you know, he

783
00:43:51.239 --> 00:43:53.519
runs to the battery of tests. He's he flying, Yeah,

784
00:43:53.719 --> 00:43:56.280
you're flying colors. You're He's like, okay, but we're not

785
00:43:56.280 --> 00:43:59.400
going to give you the license. That's like real quick.

786
00:43:59.599 --> 00:44:04.480
You know, Stone has two amazing well the stuff in

787
00:44:04.480 --> 00:44:09.519
the basement notwithstanding, right, he's got two other amazing monologues.

788
00:44:10.159 --> 00:44:13.519
I'm gonna ask you, you know, let's go versus his monologue,

789
00:44:13.599 --> 00:44:17.719
his angry monologue against the boxing commission. But we're just

790
00:44:17.760 --> 00:44:18.840
looking at for your interests.

791
00:44:19.119 --> 00:44:21.239
I appreciate that, but maybe you're looking out for your

792
00:44:21.239 --> 00:44:24.039
interest just a little bit more. I mean, you shouldn't

793
00:44:24.079 --> 00:44:26.000
be asking people to come down here and pay the

794
00:44:26.119 --> 00:44:28.400
freight on something they paid. It's still like good enough.

795
00:44:28.480 --> 00:44:30.760
I mean, you think that's right. I mean, maybe you're

796
00:44:30.800 --> 00:44:32.400
doing your job, but why are you gotta stop me

797
00:44:32.440 --> 00:44:35.159
from doing mine? Because if you're willing to go through

798
00:44:35.199 --> 00:44:36.800
all the battling you got to go through to get

799
00:44:36.840 --> 00:44:38.719
to where you want to get, who's got the right

800
00:44:38.760 --> 00:44:41.199
to stop you? I mean maybe some of you guys

801
00:44:41.199 --> 00:44:43.519
got something you never fitted, something you really want to do,

802
00:44:43.559 --> 00:44:46.639
somebody you never said to somebody something and you're told no,

803
00:44:46.800 --> 00:44:48.840
even after you pay your dues. Who's got the right

804
00:44:48.880 --> 00:44:49.679
to tell you that? Who?

805
00:44:50.000 --> 00:44:50.599
Nobody?

806
00:44:50.960 --> 00:44:52.719
It's your right to listen to your gut it ain't

807
00:44:52.760 --> 00:44:55.079
nobody's right to say no after you earn the right

808
00:44:55.119 --> 00:44:56.360
to be where you want to be, a do what

809
00:44:56.400 --> 00:44:56.960
you want to do?

810
00:44:58.320 --> 00:45:01.599
Is it? It's that one versus putting Robert in line

811
00:45:01.599 --> 00:45:03.559
when he's like, you know the world in all sunshine

812
00:45:03.559 --> 00:45:05.000
and rainbows.

813
00:45:05.639 --> 00:45:08.480
Let me tell you something you already know. The world

814
00:45:08.480 --> 00:45:12.039
ain't all sunshine and rainbows. It's a very mean and

815
00:45:12.199 --> 00:45:14.440
nasty place. And I don't care how tough you are.

816
00:45:14.719 --> 00:45:16.920
It will beat you to your knees and keep you

817
00:45:17.000 --> 00:45:21.039
there permanently if you let it. You me or Nobody's

818
00:45:21.079 --> 00:45:23.840
gonna hit as hard as life. But it ain't about

819
00:45:23.840 --> 00:45:26.519
how hard you hit. It's about how hard you can

820
00:45:26.679 --> 00:45:29.480
get hit and keep moving forward. How much you get

821
00:45:29.599 --> 00:45:35.360
take and keep moving forward. That's how wind it has done. Now,

822
00:45:35.400 --> 00:45:37.039
if you know what you're worth, now go out and

823
00:45:37.079 --> 00:45:39.119
deal what's you're worth. But you gotta be willing to

824
00:45:39.159 --> 00:45:42.119
take the hits and not pointing fingers saying you ain't

825
00:45:42.159 --> 00:45:44.119
where you want to be because of him or her

826
00:45:44.400 --> 00:45:45.079
or anybody.

827
00:45:45.840 --> 00:45:48.960
Cowards do that, and that ain't you. You're better than that.

828
00:45:50.159 --> 00:45:52.199
My question to you, Brad, which out of those two,

829
00:45:52.239 --> 00:45:54.719
which one which what's the better monologue. Which one gets you?

830
00:45:55.599 --> 00:46:00.519
I don't know, because they both got good, good shots,

831
00:46:00.880 --> 00:46:03.079
you know, like he's like, why would you have me

832
00:46:03.159 --> 00:46:05.239
go through all those tests if you weren't even gonna

833
00:46:05.239 --> 00:46:09.800
give me? You know, the stuff that the way he

834
00:46:09.840 --> 00:46:11.760
worked in that little thing of like I held you

835
00:46:11.800 --> 00:46:14.320
just like this, And then you're like, yeah, is he

836
00:46:14.440 --> 00:46:16.840
just being rocky? Just kind of being rocky? And then

837
00:46:16.840 --> 00:46:19.880
he kind of goes and the way where it ends,

838
00:46:19.920 --> 00:46:22.599
and I'm like, I don't know. Like I said, there's

839
00:46:22.719 --> 00:46:26.360
there's the meat packing one, there's the boxing commission scene,

840
00:46:26.360 --> 00:46:29.880
there's the scene with Robert. I mean, there's a even

841
00:46:29.920 --> 00:46:33.039
a few more good scenes, you know, when he visits

842
00:46:33.519 --> 00:46:37.119
trying to catch him at work and stuff like that,

843
00:46:37.280 --> 00:46:41.199
and he just feels so out of place. There's a

844
00:46:41.280 --> 00:46:46.000
lot of good scenes with those two. Maybe the body

845
00:46:46.039 --> 00:46:48.599
model maybetle angry.

846
00:46:48.679 --> 00:46:52.360
Yeah, all right, yeah, I'm I'm undecided. It's gonna have

847
00:46:52.400 --> 00:46:54.239
to go to the judges. It's a split decision if

848
00:46:54.239 --> 00:46:57.199
it's one for me. Bred new thing we're gonna do

849
00:46:57.320 --> 00:47:01.199
this season. By the numbers, well, it's talk about the budget,

850
00:47:01.239 --> 00:47:04.320
the box office. I'm kind of ranking and I think

851
00:47:05.400 --> 00:47:07.239
I think you already I think you already tipped your

852
00:47:07.239 --> 00:47:09.599
hand on the ranking. But we'll get to it here

853
00:47:09.599 --> 00:47:13.719
in a second. So for those wondering, Rocky Ba Ba

854
00:47:13.920 --> 00:47:18.639
was released on December twentieth, two thousand and six. Brad

855
00:47:18.639 --> 00:47:22.599
and I were there that weekend. Estimated budget of twenty

856
00:47:22.679 --> 00:47:28.079
four million. It's the fourth Rocky film directed by Sylvester Saloon.

857
00:47:29.000 --> 00:47:34.280
Despite a Wednesday release, it finished third in its opening weekend.

858
00:47:35.079 --> 00:47:37.599
Behind you want to take a guest.

859
00:47:37.400 --> 00:47:43.920
Brad, two thousand and six, towards Christmas. Christmas two thousand

860
00:47:43.960 --> 00:47:44.320
and six.

861
00:47:46.440 --> 00:47:48.880
It won't surprise you when I tell you, is.

862
00:47:48.880 --> 00:47:49.760
It not your libre?

863
00:47:50.559 --> 00:47:53.000
No, it is not not your libre.

864
00:47:53.679 --> 00:47:54.320
I take a chet.

865
00:47:54.639 --> 00:48:01.480
It is. It is night at the Museum. That first one,

866
00:48:01.800 --> 00:48:05.440
it was a that was a juggernaut. You know that

867
00:48:05.440 --> 00:48:09.719
that opening first in second place was hold Over the

868
00:48:09.760 --> 00:48:13.320
Pursuit of Happiness. Did you ever see that? Will Smith?

869
00:48:13.840 --> 00:48:13.920
No?

870
00:48:14.039 --> 00:48:15.039
I never saw that one.

871
00:48:15.400 --> 00:48:18.000
It's a good film. It's not better than Rocky Biboa.

872
00:48:18.719 --> 00:48:23.719
But like I said, twenty four million, worldwide gross of

873
00:48:23.840 --> 00:48:28.119
one hundred and fifty six million, you better believe Creed's coming.

874
00:48:28.239 --> 00:48:30.639
We're making a whole new yeah, whole new run at

875
00:48:30.639 --> 00:48:35.280
this rank this though, Brad, where do you rank this

876
00:48:35.360 --> 00:48:37.679
film in the franchise Creed Films?

877
00:48:37.719 --> 00:48:44.360
Notwithstanding, but right behind I would go Rocky one, Rocky Balboa,

878
00:48:45.360 --> 00:48:51.800
Rocky two, Rocky Rocky four. Yeah, all right, yeah, that's

879
00:48:51.800 --> 00:48:52.239
how I'd go.

880
00:48:52.920 --> 00:48:56.159
I've got Rocky Balboa second overall, just like you, and

881
00:48:56.199 --> 00:48:58.639
it's right after Rocky, so I'm definitely I'm with you.

882
00:48:58.920 --> 00:49:02.119
Rocky is the best, Rocky Bubbo second best.

883
00:49:02.480 --> 00:49:04.320
There's one thing when I don't I'm sure you did

884
00:49:04.320 --> 00:49:07.400
it as well as I did, is that we did

885
00:49:07.400 --> 00:49:11.719
probably a little Rocky marathon, you know, oh Gosha. And

886
00:49:12.840 --> 00:49:16.320
every time it comes to the end of the that

887
00:49:16.400 --> 00:49:20.159
the final notes of that Bill Conte music of ding

888
00:49:20.400 --> 00:49:22.079
d you know that plays at the end of the

889
00:49:22.119 --> 00:49:23.719
first film, the end of the second film. In the

890
00:49:23.800 --> 00:49:28.840
end of this film, I got chills goosebumps every time.

891
00:49:29.800 --> 00:49:34.360
Every time they did it, that little bit it's still

892
00:49:34.599 --> 00:49:37.719
will give me goosebumps. I'm like everyone in every time

893
00:49:37.719 --> 00:49:40.599
that he did that, it was the ending of the film.

894
00:49:40.639 --> 00:49:41.920
I got chills every time.

895
00:49:42.480 --> 00:49:47.199
I'm happy to say. This morning, when I hit the gym,

896
00:49:47.639 --> 00:49:51.800
it was to my very new playlist Spotify playlist, and

897
00:49:51.840 --> 00:49:55.559
it was all rocky music. I never felt better.

898
00:49:56.079 --> 00:49:59.960
Yeah, this movie trailer trailer too.

899
00:50:00.760 --> 00:50:03.960
I got to give you credit for something. We're we're

900
00:50:03.960 --> 00:50:08.599
getting ready for Rocky Balboa, and you asked me, hey,

901
00:50:08.639 --> 00:50:12.159
are we are we doing Rocky Balboa the theatrical cut?

902
00:50:12.239 --> 00:50:13.920
And I'm like, what the hell are you talking about? What?

903
00:50:13.920 --> 00:50:16.400
What else would we do? And you're and then you

904
00:50:16.400 --> 00:50:18.559
you you basically tell me there's a there's a Rocky

905
00:50:18.599 --> 00:50:20.599
Balboa director's cut.

906
00:50:21.000 --> 00:50:24.480
Right. So we we had talked probably like maybe a

907
00:50:24.559 --> 00:50:26.519
month before that this was going to be one of

908
00:50:26.519 --> 00:50:28.760
the ones that we did. And I was going through

909
00:50:28.760 --> 00:50:31.199
some movies on like you know, the Prime list, just

910
00:50:31.280 --> 00:50:33.039
kind of scan and browse it and I see this

911
00:50:33.599 --> 00:50:35.119
and I put it on my watch list. I'm like,

912
00:50:35.239 --> 00:50:38.239
I'll save that because I didn't know about it either,

913
00:50:38.559 --> 00:50:40.960
you know, I don't think it has ever been released

914
00:50:41.000 --> 00:50:45.920
on physical media. So I put it on the my

915
00:50:46.000 --> 00:50:49.159
watch list and that's why I mentioned it. But then

916
00:50:49.599 --> 00:50:51.079
I was like, let me check it because it was,

917
00:50:51.800 --> 00:50:53.239
you know, it was like that was a while ago.

918
00:50:53.840 --> 00:50:56.719
And I checked and it said not even to pay

919
00:50:56.800 --> 00:51:00.960
to rent, unavailable like you could pay to But I

920
00:51:01.000 --> 00:51:03.199
took a chance and I was like, I wonder if

921
00:51:03.320 --> 00:51:06.400
Apple TV has it, because I remember that's how I

922
00:51:06.400 --> 00:51:11.199
saw The Rocky Versus Drago, And sure enough they do

923
00:51:11.280 --> 00:51:14.079
have it. Apple TV has the Ultimate Director's Cut with

924
00:51:14.159 --> 00:51:17.800
about I want to say, fifteen or twenty minutes extra.

925
00:51:18.719 --> 00:51:25.280
This movie is so damn good, and yet this it's

926
00:51:25.280 --> 00:51:26.920
the ultimately. It's called the Ultimately.

927
00:51:26.639 --> 00:51:29.719
Cut, right, it's the Ultimate Director's cut.

928
00:51:29.679 --> 00:51:32.920
The Ultimate Director's cut. It a movie that was already

929
00:51:33.280 --> 00:51:40.119
so damn good, is exponentially better theatrical versus directors Cut

930
00:51:40.199 --> 00:51:43.679
or the Ultimate Director's Cut. I gotta be honest with you.

931
00:51:43.719 --> 00:51:49.000
This version much more character driven. There's emotional depth that

932
00:51:49.079 --> 00:51:50.800
you just you don't see in any of the other

933
00:51:50.840 --> 00:51:52.320
films as far as I'm concerned.

934
00:51:53.039 --> 00:51:56.840
Yeah, then there's no like, there's no throwaway and it.

935
00:51:57.159 --> 00:51:59.639
You know, just because I've seen this film more than

936
00:51:59.679 --> 00:52:03.239
a few times, I knew when the new scenes were

937
00:52:03.280 --> 00:52:06.079
but you can't tell from any kind of editing, You

938
00:52:06.119 --> 00:52:08.079
can't tell from any kind of film stock. I mean,

939
00:52:08.119 --> 00:52:11.360
it flows perfectly, and it was nice to kind of

940
00:52:11.360 --> 00:52:14.480
see this again, but you know, some new stuff.

941
00:52:15.079 --> 00:52:17.960
Yeah, So I did a little digging. Stallone wanted to

942
00:52:18.039 --> 00:52:21.280
create a version that was more tonally consistent with the

943
00:52:21.320 --> 00:52:25.199
first two Rocky films that leaned on dramatic and emotional

944
00:52:25.239 --> 00:52:28.559
beats rather than the spectacle of Oh, it's an old

945
00:52:28.639 --> 00:52:33.199
fighter climbing into the ring. It's it's just an incredible film.

946
00:52:33.760 --> 00:52:37.000
Listeners you've got if you're going to watch this, you

947
00:52:37.079 --> 00:52:39.159
gotta check out. You got to go to Apple TV.

948
00:52:39.320 --> 00:52:41.119
You got it. You know. I rented it for three

949
00:52:41.199 --> 00:52:43.960
ninety nine. You can buy it from fourteen nine. Brad,

950
00:52:44.000 --> 00:52:48.320
I looked on Amazon. You can buy it, but it's

951
00:52:48.360 --> 00:52:50.599
going to cost you like sixty bucks. I guess it

952
00:52:50.880 --> 00:52:55.239
had a limited run on physical media, and now it's already,

953
00:52:55.280 --> 00:52:57.519
you know, hard to find. I want to I want

954
00:52:57.519 --> 00:52:59.840
to talk about the key differences and then give me

955
00:52:59.840 --> 00:53:02.320
your take, you your quick take on it. Uh, So

956
00:53:02.360 --> 00:53:05.239
I got I there's three things I noticed. First off,

957
00:53:05.440 --> 00:53:09.519
there's a major emphasis on Polly and uh and little Marie.

958
00:53:10.400 --> 00:53:13.079
So so for the first time, I think we see

959
00:53:13.079 --> 00:53:17.639
Poully as a remorseful, sad, lonely individual that just wants

960
00:53:17.639 --> 00:53:21.119
to make amends. Uh. That scene in the back alley

961
00:53:21.119 --> 00:53:22.239
of Adrian's.

962
00:53:21.880 --> 00:53:24.480
The restaurant, Yeah, when he gets like a.

963
00:53:25.320 --> 00:53:29.119
Yeah, he's and he's crying. He's like, I missed my sister. Why?

964
00:53:29.320 --> 00:53:31.360
Why why am I here? Why? Why did she have to?

965
00:53:31.400 --> 00:53:33.920
You know, I loved it. What do you think about

966
00:53:33.960 --> 00:53:36.840
Poulie in this movie? Like the different like the director's cut.

967
00:53:36.880 --> 00:53:37.840
I'm saying where.

968
00:53:38.000 --> 00:53:41.440
I liked the direction that Paullie went as opposed to

969
00:53:41.920 --> 00:53:44.599
just I felt like he was kind of becoming just

970
00:53:44.599 --> 00:53:47.880
a little comic relief after a while. Yeah, but his

971
00:53:47.920 --> 00:53:51.760
comedic moments in this are few, but genuine.

972
00:53:52.480 --> 00:53:52.719
Yes.

973
00:53:52.800 --> 00:53:54.400
You know when he does make one, you know, he's

974
00:53:54.639 --> 00:53:59.280
good and I like that he's and it's one of

975
00:53:59.280 --> 00:54:01.599
the scene. I think the scene that we were discussing

976
00:54:01.719 --> 00:54:03.679
is a little bit longer because he's saying, he's like,

977
00:54:04.320 --> 00:54:08.079
this is where I am. You know, he's he's he's

978
00:54:08.320 --> 00:54:11.199
good with that. I work at the meat plant. Now

979
00:54:11.360 --> 00:54:14.840
I'm doing okay. He's got a girlfriend. You find out

980
00:54:14.840 --> 00:54:18.719
a girlfriend. You never knew that Paulie had a girlfriend.

981
00:54:18.760 --> 00:54:22.880
The entire time. We had no idea. So it's just

982
00:54:22.920 --> 00:54:25.119
when he's feeling a little good about himself is when

983
00:54:25.119 --> 00:54:28.320
he just gets knocked back down, and that's when he

984
00:54:28.400 --> 00:54:31.920
feels that got a lot of heart and when he

985
00:54:32.039 --> 00:54:33.960
just he just tells you got a lot of hard

986
00:54:34.039 --> 00:54:37.679
going back in that ring, you know, more scenes with

987
00:54:37.679 --> 00:54:39.480
the thing he says to him right before he gets

988
00:54:39.480 --> 00:54:43.960
into the ring too. It's just he's more you like

989
00:54:44.039 --> 00:54:45.280
Polly Moore in this movie.

990
00:54:45.480 --> 00:54:48.840
You gotta like him in this one. Yeah, more scenes

991
00:54:48.880 --> 00:54:51.639
with Marie. I think that. I think it develops the

992
00:54:51.679 --> 00:54:55.760
relationship with her and Rocky a little more clarifies, you know,

993
00:54:55.760 --> 00:54:58.159
because in the theatrical cut, it's just like they meet

994
00:54:58.320 --> 00:54:59.840
and then all of a sudden she's working there and

995
00:54:59.840 --> 00:55:02.039
all of a sudden she's flying to Vegas with him.

996
00:55:02.360 --> 00:55:05.039
It just felt a little choppy, little rush. But this version,

997
00:55:05.840 --> 00:55:08.360
there's there's some more moments with them, and it kind

998
00:55:08.360 --> 00:55:10.880
of we we get to see their their friendship build,

999
00:55:11.079 --> 00:55:14.199
and I think I think you need it. What'd you

1000
00:55:14.199 --> 00:55:16.760
think of the extra scenes at Adrian's grave.

1001
00:55:17.679 --> 00:55:21.320
I mean it showed where he is in his life,

1002
00:55:21.360 --> 00:55:25.280
Like you said, like when he tells an audience member

1003
00:55:25.280 --> 00:55:27.679
probably watching us would almost kind of want the little

1004
00:55:27.719 --> 00:55:31.079
Marie and you know Rocky character to maybe you know,

1005
00:55:31.199 --> 00:55:33.119
get together. But like he says, he goes, you know,

1006
00:55:33.159 --> 00:55:36.840
my wife's gone, but she ain't gone. You know, He's

1007
00:55:37.280 --> 00:55:41.800
I don't see Rocky ever, you know, trying to. He

1008
00:55:41.880 --> 00:55:45.440
just he's just a lonely guy. That and like you said,

1009
00:55:45.599 --> 00:55:47.639
is why do you gotta because you know, you're you're

1010
00:55:47.679 --> 00:55:49.960
asking yourself at the same time, why is he being

1011
00:55:50.000 --> 00:55:51.480
so nice to her? Why is he being so nice

1012
00:55:51.480 --> 00:55:53.360
to her? And then he tells her and she said,

1013
00:55:53.400 --> 00:55:55.199
why are you being so nice to me? Why do

1014
00:55:55.239 --> 00:55:57.519
you gotta Why do you gotta owe somebody something? To

1015
00:55:57.559 --> 00:55:59.480
do nice for him? He just wants to. It just

1016
00:55:59.519 --> 00:56:01.199
seems like the right thing to do.

1017
00:56:01.280 --> 00:56:03.960
Yeah, why you got to o and give Yeah the

1018
00:56:04.400 --> 00:56:06.920
extra scene at Adrian's grave where you know, I think

1019
00:56:06.920 --> 00:56:12.000
we're really getting into we're exploring like grief. I love

1020
00:56:12.000 --> 00:56:14.239
that we kind of touch on Rocky's relationship with God

1021
00:56:14.559 --> 00:56:15.079
a little bit.

1022
00:56:15.280 --> 00:56:15.559
Yep.

1023
00:56:16.400 --> 00:56:19.880
Again, very poignant moment. And I wish they would have

1024
00:56:19.960 --> 00:56:21.920
kept it, I know, I know we needed for the

1025
00:56:22.000 --> 00:56:26.079
theatrical cut to have it a little more fast paced,

1026
00:56:26.280 --> 00:56:28.679
you know, that's what people want to see in the

1027
00:56:28.920 --> 00:56:31.239
but but damn, it's a it's a shame that they

1028
00:56:31.639 --> 00:56:34.360
they they lost this one. But now you know it's

1029
00:56:34.360 --> 00:56:37.800
not lost. You know, watch the ultimate director's cut. You know, again,

1030
00:56:38.039 --> 00:56:40.679
like I said, Rocky three, Rocky four, they're slick fast,

1031
00:56:40.760 --> 00:56:44.280
they're charged with eighties XS. The pacing of this one

1032
00:56:45.159 --> 00:56:48.639
intentionally slows things down to match the dramatic beats of

1033
00:56:48.639 --> 00:56:50.639
the first film. So if you love Rocky, if you

1034
00:56:50.639 --> 00:56:54.800
love Rocky two, you have to love the ultimate director's

1035
00:56:54.800 --> 00:56:55.760
cut of Rocky Boboa.

1036
00:56:55.800 --> 00:56:58.000
I think, yeah, And like I said, it's just like

1037
00:56:58.039 --> 00:57:02.320
there was. It almost like he listen to the fans. Yes,

1038
00:57:02.760 --> 00:57:05.559
you know, it's like why you heard us, you know,

1039
00:57:05.840 --> 00:57:08.119
And you know he knew that one of the favorite

1040
00:57:08.119 --> 00:57:10.639
things was like the black trunks, so he threw out

1041
00:57:10.639 --> 00:57:13.159
the black trunks. You know, they were like brought back

1042
00:57:13.400 --> 00:57:17.360
the tiger. Yeah, So I mean there was he knew

1043
00:57:18.239 --> 00:57:23.119
what this movie needed to appease, not movie fans, Rocky fan.

1044
00:57:23.559 --> 00:57:27.159
Well, said my friend Brad, let's take one last break

1045
00:57:28.000 --> 00:57:31.920
before we wrap things up. And you know, Rocky Balbo

1046
00:57:32.079 --> 00:57:34.519
is not the only one making a comeback. Our good

1047
00:57:34.519 --> 00:57:38.679
buddy Deaf Dave, who you've heard multiple times on this show,

1048
00:57:40.159 --> 00:57:45.599
is returning after the success of his Apples and Oranges podcast.

1049
00:57:45.639 --> 00:57:49.760
He's bringing us something brand new this year. Deaf Dave's

1050
00:57:49.920 --> 00:57:54.840
nineteen eighty four seems to be an all inclusive podcast

1051
00:57:55.000 --> 00:57:58.760
about the year nineteen eighty four. I for one, am

1052
00:57:59.079 --> 00:58:01.679
very excited about it. He claims it's the best year ever,

1053
00:58:01.920 --> 00:58:03.280
and I guess we're gonna find out.

1054
00:58:03.840 --> 00:58:11.400
Check this out, Dearly beloved, We are gathered here today

1055
00:58:11.440 --> 00:58:14.559
to celebrate Death Dave's nineteen eighty four, a brand new

1056
00:58:14.599 --> 00:58:16.880
show that will take you through the greatest pop culture

1057
00:58:16.960 --> 00:58:17.960
year we have ever seen.

1058
00:58:18.039 --> 00:58:21.280
Flax on, my fellow Americans, flacks open.

1059
00:58:23.280 --> 00:58:25.679
I am a candidate, and we'll seek.

1060
00:58:25.440 --> 00:58:33.599
Reelection from movies, music, sports, comics, television, and more. This

1061
00:58:33.639 --> 00:58:36.440
show will be a chronological journey through every aspect of

1062
00:58:36.440 --> 00:58:40.920
the year. So Who's gonna drive you home? And not

1063
00:58:41.000 --> 00:58:43.719
let the glory days pass you by? Death Daves nineteen

1064
00:58:43.760 --> 00:58:48.519
eighty four. It's a hard habit to break, but time

1065
00:58:48.559 --> 00:58:51.360
after time I'll show you why nineteen eighty four was

1066
00:58:51.400 --> 00:58:53.599
the best year ever. So who are you gonna call?

1067
00:58:54.039 --> 00:58:57.119
Coming in twenty twenty six? Subscribe and follow now. I'll

1068
00:58:57.119 --> 00:58:58.320
be back.

1069
00:59:05.559 --> 00:59:08.639
Any other season we'd be talking about I'd ask you like, hey,

1070
00:59:09.480 --> 00:59:13.159
we've been talking about this underrated film. What three movies

1071
00:59:13.480 --> 00:59:16.599
would you suggest by this director? But we're gonna change

1072
00:59:16.599 --> 00:59:21.079
it up this season. Brad so, written by, directed by,

1073
00:59:21.800 --> 00:59:28.320
or starring, Which underrated project would you suggest for Silvester

1074
00:59:28.400 --> 00:59:30.840
Saaloone if someone was asking you.

1075
00:59:31.119 --> 00:59:35.639
Now, it's not so much underrated, but I think the

1076
00:59:35.679 --> 00:59:38.360
film gets a little bit of a bad rap. And

1077
00:59:39.360 --> 00:59:45.320
that film is Cliffhanger, you know, And Cliffhanger was partially

1078
00:59:45.320 --> 00:59:50.639
written by Stallone. And if you really think about Cliffhanger,

1079
00:59:51.360 --> 00:59:54.440
that is how you make an action movie. That's that's

1080
00:59:54.480 --> 01:00:01.159
an action movie. That's exactly what you're ext expecting, exactly

1081
01:00:01.199 --> 01:00:02.920
what you get out of it sometimes a little bit,

1082
01:00:03.159 --> 01:00:07.440
you know, sometimes a little bit more. It doesn't doesn't age,

1083
01:00:08.360 --> 01:00:11.599
you know, and it's you can buy it, you know,

1084
01:00:11.679 --> 01:00:13.239
you can buy it. It was all its die hard on

1085
01:00:13.280 --> 01:00:16.599
a Mountain. I'm like, well, it's not really die hard.

1086
01:00:16.440 --> 01:00:17.760
On a mountain. It's just hard.

1087
01:00:18.400 --> 01:00:21.519
Yeah, But it's I think and that and the fact

1088
01:00:21.559 --> 01:00:24.480
that that being nineties is that he showed that he's like,

1089
01:00:25.119 --> 01:00:28.440
I can stand up against the lethal weapons, the die

1090
01:00:28.480 --> 01:00:33.880
hards and stuff too. And I think he doesn't get

1091
01:00:33.960 --> 01:00:37.519
enough credit for kind of the stuff that that movie

1092
01:00:37.639 --> 01:00:40.599
required to get made and what he got out of it.

1093
01:00:40.599 --> 01:00:43.679
I mean some great shots and let's I mean the

1094
01:00:43.679 --> 01:00:47.400
beginning is just he goes balls out.

1095
01:00:47.639 --> 01:00:50.400
You and I were teenagers when that came out. We

1096
01:00:50.400 --> 01:00:55.440
were working together, m I you know we're I remember

1097
01:00:56.320 --> 01:00:58.800
taking a girl. I think we both dated her at

1098
01:00:58.800 --> 01:01:04.280
different times. Obviously. I took her to see Cliffhanger and

1099
01:01:05.079 --> 01:01:08.880
that opening where he turns around snatches and you know,

1100
01:01:08.920 --> 01:01:13.079
he catches the girl by one arm. That girl gripped

1101
01:01:14.000 --> 01:01:20.679
my my hand so tightly and leaned over and I said, relax,

1102
01:01:21.559 --> 01:01:25.280
it's Sylvester Stallone, He's gonna save her. And then thirty

1103
01:01:25.320 --> 01:01:29.559
seconds later she falls and that girl looked at me

1104
01:01:29.719 --> 01:01:33.840
like you you jerk, Like she was so mad like

1105
01:01:33.840 --> 01:01:36.199
like that, and I don't get it, like it's not.

1106
01:01:36.159 --> 01:01:38.639
Like I, Hey, no, we didn't expect that coman yet,

1107
01:01:38.679 --> 01:01:39.639
no one who.

1108
01:01:39.480 --> 01:01:43.320
Could have expected he was gonna drop her. Yeah I didn't.

1109
01:01:43.320 --> 01:01:44.719
I didn't take her out after that. I think I

1110
01:01:44.760 --> 01:01:48.000
think you did, maybe, but probably, But.

1111
01:01:48.000 --> 01:01:52.239
I mean Stallone has so many in a like, I mean,

1112
01:01:52.360 --> 01:01:54.840
of course, I can you know me. I talked Cobra

1113
01:01:55.320 --> 01:01:59.119
like crazy and Cobra yeah, and if Stallone, if you're listening,

1114
01:01:59.119 --> 01:02:03.000
if you would like to do it another ultimate directors cut,

1115
01:02:03.199 --> 01:02:05.800
Cobra needs one because we know you directed that film. Secretly,

1116
01:02:05.880 --> 01:02:06.320
we can.

1117
01:02:06.199 --> 01:02:09.599
Come on Cosmotos is gone. We can we can be honest.

1118
01:02:09.599 --> 01:02:13.960
Now, now you a big Saloon fan, and with all

1119
01:02:14.519 --> 01:02:18.320
the movies that you've seen of him, you're underrated, whether

1120
01:02:18.400 --> 01:02:24.320
by performance, his writing, his direction. What do you think

1121
01:02:24.400 --> 01:02:25.280
he should tell you?

1122
01:02:25.480 --> 01:02:28.199
So you you chose Cliffhanger, which he you know that's

1123
01:02:28.199 --> 01:02:31.199
a written by and a starring I'm gonna give you

1124
01:02:31.239 --> 01:02:36.639
a written by, starring and directed by nineteen seventy eight

1125
01:02:37.440 --> 01:02:38.400
Paradise Alley.

1126
01:02:39.119 --> 01:02:41.599
I've heard that's very underrated.

1127
01:02:41.840 --> 01:02:42.920
You so you haven't seen it.

1128
01:02:43.280 --> 01:02:45.880
I haven't seen it. I haven't seen it. I don't

1129
01:02:45.880 --> 01:02:49.360
know if it's streaming anywhere. I know that there's a

1130
01:02:49.760 --> 01:02:52.639
got Quentin Tarantino's book, and it's a huge section on

1131
01:02:52.679 --> 01:02:54.920
Paradise Alley and how much he loves it.

1132
01:02:55.360 --> 01:02:57.159
I'm gonna tell you. I'm gonna tell you why I

1133
01:02:57.199 --> 01:03:00.199
love it. Just I'm gonna give you one sentence and

1134
01:03:00.239 --> 01:03:01.559
you know me brat So you're gonna be like, oh,

1135
01:03:01.599 --> 01:03:04.639
of course, now I get it. H Paris al If

1136
01:03:04.639 --> 01:03:08.000
you haven't heard of this one, Basically, it's about three

1137
01:03:08.119 --> 01:03:12.480
Italian brothers in nineteen forties, Hell's Kitchen New York trying

1138
01:03:12.480 --> 01:03:16.679
to make it big in the rising popularity of wrestling.

1139
01:03:17.519 --> 01:03:20.719
Now that's got you all over it.

1140
01:03:20.719 --> 01:03:24.280
It does, cause I want to give you a cast.

1141
01:03:24.480 --> 01:03:26.119
I want to run down the cast for you real quick.

1142
01:03:26.880 --> 01:03:31.199
So you got Stalloon. You got his longtime buddy Frank McCrae.

1143
01:03:31.559 --> 01:03:34.840
He uh, you know, lock up, and you know he's

1144
01:03:34.840 --> 01:03:37.079
always like the angry police captain, you know.

1145
01:03:37.719 --> 01:03:39.400
Oh yeah, okay, okay, yeah yeah.

1146
01:03:40.320 --> 01:03:46.239
Armanda Sante plays one of the brothers. Huh yeah, and yeah,

1147
01:03:46.320 --> 01:03:48.360
this is nineteen seventy eight. These people are babies at

1148
01:03:48.360 --> 01:03:52.320
this point. You got Ann Archer. You got another longtime

1149
01:03:52.840 --> 01:03:58.800
collaborator and best friend, Joe Spinell, Tom Waits. And how

1150
01:03:58.800 --> 01:04:04.079
about a couple of unknown then unknown wrestling superstars Terry Funk,

1151
01:04:04.960 --> 01:04:09.719
King Hakou and the million and the million Dollar Man,

1152
01:04:09.880 --> 01:04:10.480
Ted deb.

1153
01:04:10.519 --> 01:04:13.159
A million dollar man, I remember him, the million Dollar Man.

1154
01:04:13.159 --> 01:04:15.119
Tell me you don't want to rush right out and

1155
01:04:15.159 --> 01:04:16.960
see Paradise Sally, After I told you all that.

1156
01:04:18.280 --> 01:04:20.320
It's it's one that I heard that I do need

1157
01:04:20.360 --> 01:04:23.719
to see, and it's it's I mean that the film

1158
01:04:23.760 --> 01:04:27.760
that he basically did, I think right after Rocky Yeah, yeah, yeah,

1159
01:04:27.800 --> 01:04:28.800
before he even Rocky Too.

1160
01:04:28.960 --> 01:04:30.920
So this is yeah, this is right before he does

1161
01:04:30.920 --> 01:04:33.599
this one, right before Rocky Too. I think he does

1162
01:04:33.639 --> 01:04:37.320
Fist and Paradise Sally and then he does Rocky two. Brad,

1163
01:04:37.360 --> 01:04:39.599
obviously we recommend this film.

1164
01:04:40.360 --> 01:04:43.960
Yeah, I mean, this is this is the sendoff that

1165
01:04:44.039 --> 01:04:46.639
I think Rocky gets. I know you're a big fan

1166
01:04:46.679 --> 01:04:49.480
of the Creed movies. I think the first one's okay,

1167
01:04:49.599 --> 01:04:53.719
but I really wanted a more happier kind of life

1168
01:04:53.760 --> 01:04:58.280
for Rocky. You know, after the fight in Rocky Balboa

1169
01:04:58.400 --> 01:05:00.480
that you know, he still didn't really talk to us

1170
01:05:00.559 --> 01:05:04.440
son and stuff after that. So I just I felt

1171
01:05:04.480 --> 01:05:06.639
that this one was a perfect kind of ending for it,

1172
01:05:06.719 --> 01:05:09.360
and then Creed was just what it was. But the

1173
01:05:09.400 --> 01:05:11.639
fact that he got nominated for an Oscar for Creed

1174
01:05:11.840 --> 01:05:14.519
and not for this is a little ridiculous.

1175
01:05:14.880 --> 01:05:18.159
It is, but think about this. He's nominated the character

1176
01:05:18.239 --> 01:05:22.239
Rocky Balboa. He's nominated for it for Best Actor and

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Best Supporting Actor. Yeah. That's that's I think that's impressive,

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absolutely amazing movie. You can't, like I said, you can't

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rent it. Please just go to Apple TV watch the

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Ultimate Director's cut. You will not be a sorry that

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you did So next time on a film buy, we'll

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be talking about Wes Anderson's two thousand and one film,

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The Royal Tenenbombs. If you've seen it, how would you

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summarize it in five words or less? Go to a

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Film by podcast dot com to give us your answer,

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or you can eat at a film by podcast at

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gmail dot com. If we use your five words synopsis

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on the show, we'll shout you out on the episode

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and we'll send you some of a film by swag.

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Okay, So, so clarify with me the five words. It's

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it's not so much like in space no one can

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hear you scream type of thing, you know, kind of

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you know if okay, if I was to give you

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Chinatown five words.

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Chinatown of five words, Detective, Uncover, Scandal and Incest.

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Okay, that's what.

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Well, I just thought, Hey, let's have some fun with

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our listeners. Let's give them a chance to come up

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with these five word synopsis, you know, kind of kind

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of do the work for us, you know, and if

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we do, hey, we're gonna you know, we're gonna shout

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you out. So if you're listening right now, The Royal

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tenem Bombs, Wes Anderson film from two thousand and one.

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Email us, hit us up on social media. Uh, let

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us know what what your what? Your five word synopsis

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is for the world in and bombs because if we

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use it, we're gonna, we're gonna, We're gonna shout you out.

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In the meantime, please join us on social media. You

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can find us on YouTube, Instagram, Facebook, and x. We

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love interacting with you, sharing opinions, taking your request for

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future episodes, and debating great movie. Not many other people

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I would rather debate great movies with than than Brad Kozo.

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Brad, You're back, I'm back, I'm back and got a

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little got a little something extra?

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You got something extra?

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Yes. Starting in January, on the last Friday of every month,

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I will be hosting a new spinoff series from a

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film I called A Script Buy with myself and obviously guests.

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We're gonna go through some of Hollywood's greatest screenplays and

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decide why they work so well, what the background making

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the film, writing the script, getting it made? Will it

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be made?

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Today?

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And in January we are starting off with, as you

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already heard, the probably the heavyweight champion of screenplays Chinatown

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and so we're going to be going through that, So

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look for a script by a limited twelve episode series

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twelve you know, twelve one each month. So I'm very

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excited for it. It's going to be a little bit

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different of a show, a little more analytical, but still

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with laughs, with charm in the same film by attitude.

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This sounds incredible and if you're taking suggestions, I've got plenty.

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We'll have to talk off Mike. But in the meantime,

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to all of you listening to the show, following us

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01:08:51.000 --> 01:08:54.920
on YouTube and social media, and subscribing to our Patreon,

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01:08:55.840 --> 01:09:05.920
we thank you. M m m m uh. This month

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uh on Patreon, we're doing Martin Scorsese's The Departed? Should I?

1238
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I don't have to ask, do I?

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Yeah?

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You're you're in? Yeah?

1241
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You know you wor go fund yourself?

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Yeah? Oh boy,