Feb. 15, 2026

Michael Mann - Miami Vice

Michael Mann - Miami Vice
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Season 7 A Film By...
Our Denzel and the Mann month moves into the Mann portion as Jeff and Brad go undercover with Michael Mann's 2006 film adaptation of Miami Vice! Smooth. That's how we do it.

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Heat two is currently in pre production and will be

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Michael Mann's next directorial feature, based off the novel he

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co wrote with the Meg Gardner. At this time, here's

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what we know. Leonardo DiCaprio, Christian Bale, and Nicholas Cage

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are all attached. Brad. The question is where you are

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with this film on a scale of very concerned to

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very excited.

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I I will wrap this up as quick as possible.

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But I was when I was going to be a

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new parent. I figured I need something to read, you know,

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when my newborn is sleeping. So the first book I

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got was the book you see behind me, Heat two.

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I see it.

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I see it there on the shelf, and I got

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through about three chapters because I realized I can't read

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that with the newborn. So now I am very excited

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this for this movie, and I'm waiting to actually start

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it over and read it once I actually hear who

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the cast is going to be, because I had my

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ideas about that cast too.

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Okay, i'll tell you what. You can't see it, but

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it's over on my shelf as well. I just I

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recently got it. Maybe maybe we need to both read

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it like a book club. Type of thing.

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I mean it. I mean I read a good small

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chunk of it and what I did see, you know,

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I liked it.

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Okay, Okay, Yeah, Well we're not going to talk about

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books today. Let's talk about a film by Michael Mann,

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his two thousand and six action packed film adaptation of

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Miami Vice. Hello and welcome back. I'm Jeff Johnson.

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I am Brad Kozo and this is a.

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Film by podcast Brad. This is our third episode talking

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about a Michael Man film special. Shout out to our

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Patreon member Eric Dirth, who joined me last season for

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our Michael Man episode discussing Collateral, which was fantastic, and Brad,

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let's not forget you covered Manhunter way back at the

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beginning of our limited nineteen eighty six series with Dayton Johnson.

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That's right, so funny enough. I actually watched Collateral right

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before I watched Miami Wece, before we got into it.

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Before we get into this one. Michael Mann only nominated

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for four Academy Awards in his career at this point

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with no wins. So I'm talking talking about the Aviator,

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you know, nominated for Best Picture. He was a producer. Yeah,

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and then the Insider nominated for Best Picture, Best Director,

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Best Writing, real real quick. When you look at Man's filmography,

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should he have already had an Oscar?

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The Insider is a fantastic film. I think all the nominations,

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you know that. I mean, nineteen ninety nine was a

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very very tough year. I mean, that's tough year, you know,

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but that is a really good movie, especially the movie

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coming off. I mean, I don't know one guy who

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doesn't have heat as their top you know, ten film.

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You know, it's just like everyone loves heat.

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But I just I don't know. I hope this guy,

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he's a guy that we we should see him with

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an Oscar. I hope at some point we do. That's

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that's why.

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But he is very very well respected, you know, very

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well respected by actors. Actors want to work with Michael Mann.

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And you see it because he he does get some

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good actors, you know, I mean great actors. Yeah. So yeah,

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he's usually anybody that says when they end up working

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with him, I've been dying to work with Michael Mann.

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So a lot of people like to work with him.

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Well, let's talk. I'm gonna tell you three things that

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you may not know now, some of these actors that

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are dying to work with them, they may know these things, Brad,

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But I'm gonna tell you three things you may not know.

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And I'm gonna give you a quote from from Michael

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Mann uh fitting that we're talking about the film adaptation

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of Miami Vice. Uh. He served as an executive producer

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on the Miami Vice television series and was highly responsible

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for the show's stylized look and feel, uh, which when

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you when you think about what he's done on camera,

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it all goes back to Vice. That's that's how I

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look at it. Like there's I mean the connective tissues there.

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Yeah, I mean that look is there in this movie,

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you know, in this movie and Manhunter. In in Heat,

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you know that that beautiful almost it was like blue tone,

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but only a tent, you know, just not Cameron blue,

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you know, just a light blue.

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Yeah. Michael Mann, unlike most directors, likes to operate the

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camera to capture as much of his own photography as possible.

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And you know we mentioned Heat. He shot over sixty

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percent of that himself. Yeah.

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Not a lot of.

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Directors doing that. You know, you usually have a good

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a good director of photography with you. And if I

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guess you're working part time when you're on a Michael Man.

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Film, you need a good backbone.

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Let's just say that. Yeah, do all that, Brad. The

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forty five caliber nineteen eleven pistol is the gun you

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will most often see in his films. The weapon is

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prominently featured in Thief, Heat, The Insider, and Miami Vice,

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among many other Michael Mann films. That's his go to

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that's his go to choice. Thought that was interesting.

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Yeah, even that's so weird that you said that, because yeah,

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even the weapons have a Michael Man look. I don't

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I don't know how to describe it, but anyone that

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if you can understand it, you got it. But yeah,

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even yeah, they're like, oh yeah, that's that's definitely what

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I would expect from Michael Mann.

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Now I got a quote for you. This is, you know,

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when we're talking about him operating the camera, he said this.

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He said this back in nineteen ninety nine. I'm quoting

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him here. The criterion is when I want to see

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what's going on through the lens, usually it comes down

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to performance more than technique. I've also worked with the

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same camera crews, even down to the assistance on the

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last four films. So we've developed a family in camera,

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a family that picks right up where they left off

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every few years. I see the world from the perspective

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of a five foot eight person, not someone who is

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six foot four, So naturally I'm going to choose certain

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lens heights over and over again. Sometimes nature makes choices

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for you' that's I like that.

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He has that look, you know, you know, like I

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don't know if you watched the show Tokyovice on HBO Max,

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I mean, it got canceled, but he directed the very

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first episode, and the first episode is stellar. It looks

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like Michael Mann. And by the second episode they take

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away the the Michael Man filter because he's just a

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you know, producer on the show. But the first episode

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had that, and I was like, this show is amazing.

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You know, this is gonna be a kind of a good,

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you know, underground hit. But it didn't end up, you know,

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getting picked up again. But but he has that kind

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of look. Spielberg has that kind of look, Cameron has

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that Fincher you know. So yeah, he's got his own.

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Let's let's talk about Miami Vice. I'm gonna challenge you

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you you crushed this the last time we did this

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on the on the Rocky Bibo episode. So tell us

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talking about the five words synopsis. Tell us what Miami

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Vice is all about, and you have to use exactly

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five words.

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This one was hard. But the one that I come

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came up with is smooth. That's how we do it.

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My ah, yeah, that you're at six. I'm sorry. It's

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a great it's a great line. You know, it's one

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of the better it's one of the better lines from

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the movie. But I'll help you out. How about we

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go with mine undercover cops infiltrate drug kingpin works. Basically, Yeah,

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to talk about this movie, we gotta talk. We gotta

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go back in time to nineteen eighty four. Michael Mann

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reads the pilot script for the Miami Vice television show

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in nineteen eighty four and immediately moves in on it

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because he wants to turn it into a movie. Unfortunately

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for him, it's already set up at NBC. It is

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locked in. Despite that, though he has always maintained it

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was his intention to direct this as a feature film

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at some point. So did we wait too long or

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was the time right? In two thousand and six. In

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your opinion, I.

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Think that the time was right. I think the way

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they sold it and the way they went with it

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was the wrong way. But okay, you know, the time

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one I think could have worked.

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Okay, I'll tell you what I want to talk about that.

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Let's take a quick break, and then I want to

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Subscribe and follow today. I'll be back. Welcome back. We

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are discussing Michael Mann's two thousand and six feature film

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of Miami Vice. It's celebrating its twentieth anniversary this year. Brad,

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you before the break you were talking about how you

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said it wasn't that we waited too long for the

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film adaptation, but we went about it the wrong way.

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Elaborate please, Okay.

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So I see this movie could have went two other

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ways that I think it would have worked. I think

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with something like Heat, you got about a you got

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a three hour movie there that is has no slow

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parts to it whatsoever. But with Miami Vice, you have

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this two fifteen, two twenty movie that feels long but

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doesn't go all the way. And I think if he

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would have went all the way with it, with the

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way he did with Heat, you would have found out

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more about some of the other characters in the movie

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that you don't you only get a tiny piece of.

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And I think we would have been able to see

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more of a relationship between you know, Crockett and Tubs.

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So that was what it was. It was like you

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could have gone full on Michael Mann, you know, and

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go for the three hours and invest invest us in it. Man.

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Another way was I don't know, And I'm surprised that

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they they allowed this were they not thinking a possible

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franchise with this you know, I mean it, it has

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franchise all over it. So this movie would not have

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been the first film. This would have been the second

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film in a three part trilogy. There is so much

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more that I want to know about in you know,

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in a different case. And I think there could have

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been a different case for the first film, this case

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for the second film, because it feels it feels a

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little bit like, oh, you already know these these backstories.

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People are like, no, we don't know a thing.

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Okay.

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So yeah, that's where I think they got it wrong.

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Okay, So I want to kick the franchise thought down

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the road a little bit. I got something for you.

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I know, we have to talk about it. We'll do

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that when as we get closer to wrapping up later.

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I'm pretty sure, however, Yeah, you know what I'm talking about.

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But I gotta tell you so. I was feeling that

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way about how we went about with this film the

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first few times I saw it. Then I listened to

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Michael Mann's audio commentary, which is absolutely fantastic. I can't

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recommend it enough. Brad. You know, some directors give great

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audio commentaries and some don't. Michael Man is one that

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gives a great audio commentary on his film, but it

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was on the audio commentary he actually addressed this what

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you're the brad Cozo criticism were, Yeah, so he said, basically,

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he relied on people's knowledge and history of the show

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in order for him to jump right into the action

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without spending time learning who these guys were. It's Friday

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night at ten o'clock and you're undercover with them at

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the nightclub, and that is how he wanted it done.

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And he just said, hey, you know these you know

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who these guys are, and that's where he's at with it.

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So I agree with you. Like the first time I'm watching,

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I'm like, well, okay, this is the movie version, so

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who are these guys and who are they to each other?

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But in Michael Mann's world, this is Crockett and Tubbs,

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and you know who these guys are. You spent five

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years with them on Friday nights on NBC and we're

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just we're just taking it up a notch. So I

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agree with you, But I also understand where he's coming from,

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because yeah, I would have loved to see a little

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bit more of the friendship between Crockett and Tubs and

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why they trust each other with their with their lives.

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We didn't get that in this movie. And whether or

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not this was the right, uh, you know, the right

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story to tell right off the bat, I don't know.

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I know some of it was based off of Smugglers Blues,

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the Glen Fry episode, which was one of the best.

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That being said, I'm seeing it right. That being said,

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let's talk a little bit about this cast. So you've

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got Colin Farrell as James Sunny Crockett or Sunny Burnett

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when he's undercover, and then you've got Jamie Fox as

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Ricardo Tubbs. Should be no surprise these guys. Uh, they

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both study with real life undercover law enforcement. They go

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on a couple cases. Colin Ferrell is there for one

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reason and one reason only though, And I want to

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point this out because I just think this is this

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is this is cool of Michael Mann. When they were

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looking at who is going to play Sonny Crockett and

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there's it's a who's who? You know, there's always the

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same names, right right right? He calls he calls up

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Don Johnson and says, hey, who is Sonny Crockett and

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Don Johnson hand picks Colin Ferrell. How how how badass

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is that?

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I'm shocking? I mean one of the funny enough I

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actually do have a Michael Man quote is that one

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of his quotes is what it bothers him that a

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lot of people don't understand about Don Johnson is that

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he's a terrific actor.

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Yeah, and I think Johnson's proven that time and time again.

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But yeah, it's interesting though. Colin Farrell, he's he's kind

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of a team brad Kozo because he he didn't really

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care too much for how this movie turned out. He

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wanted more time, uh more more character development for for

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Crockett and Tubs. So yeah, you're not alone. You've got

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Colin Ferrell on your on your side, uh with with

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your your thoughts here. But but I gotta tell you,

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I think I think he's a fantastic crocket. I love

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the look. Can we talk about the look for a second.

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It's not the it's a risky look, but it's.

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A risky look.

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Well he pulls it off like yeah, because we're not

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doing this movie isn't set in nineteen eighty five, so

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we're not doing the pastels in the white jackets. He's

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gotta look edgy, he's got to look cool, he's got

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to look like a little bit of a scumback because

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he's undercover. But I'm telling you, man, the hair, that mustache,

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that mustache works, I don't care who you are.

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Yeah, a little, not too much, you know, just a

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little up and top and a little still a little

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five o'clock shadow, but it, yeah, a little.

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Bit of that five shadows. Yeah, he's flirtatious. I love the

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fact that we're in the what is it called Mansion

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the nightclub at the beginning when they're undercover with the

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whole the next trafficking thing. I dig the fact that

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he's got time to order his drink at the bar

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in the coolest way, you know, Bacardi Mohido line. But

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he also what's your name, I'm gonna come see you later,

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you know, like he's got that Don Johnson flirtation that

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Sonny needs, right. I love I love Colin. I love

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Colin Ferrell as Sunny Crockett. That's what I mean with it.

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So the acting, with the exception of one and We'll

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get to is really good in the movie. Yeah, I

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think there are some possible weak characters, but there's some

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really really cool ones too.

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I gotta point this out. I'm not and I'm not

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hating on him because I think he's sensational and pretty

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much everything Jimmy Fox. So he wins an oscar in

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between the time he's cast as Riko Tubbs and the

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start of production Brad, I think he's channeling a little

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bit of that steam and Willie Beaman energy. Because he

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demands a higher salary which they took from Colin Ferrell.

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He demands a private jet because he won't fly commercial,

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and then we remember this is Miami vice. He refuses

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to work on any boats or planes. Come on, come on, Jamie,

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what are we doing here? Do you want the job

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or not? You know? I don't know? What do you?

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What do you think about his rico tubs though? Did

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he did? He? Did he?

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I think he landed a good tubs. He landed interesting tubs.

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But once again, somebody I wanted to know a little

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bit more about.

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Okay, Yeah, Tubbs always on the on the show. Tubs

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always had that cool, crisp demeanor. He always was. He

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always just felt really serious like there was a lot

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going on in his mind, and I think I think

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Jamie Fox does a good job channeling that. But I

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don't know, man, it's just like he was a bit

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of a diva, you know. No, no offense to Jimmy

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movie stars.

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Man.

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Yeah, that's what I guess movie started to making though. Naomiharris.

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She's playing Trudy, Trudy Joplin, So she's working on this

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film during the week and then she's flying to Saint

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Vincent on the weekends because she's also filming her role

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in Pirates of the Caribbean Dead Man's Chest. Very busy

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lady and uh, you know, kind of a new, kind

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of a fresh take on Trudy. I like it. I

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think it works for the film.

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See, I like her in it. And this is where

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I think the three film thing could have worked. Is

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the first film could have had them hooking up. Okay there, Yeah,

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you get the first film gets tubbs, some romance, the

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next film will get sunny a little romance, and then

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the third one, I don't know, we'll see.

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All right, you were hinting at someone that you didn't

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think worked. I'm wondering, Uh, Gong Lee playing the playing Isabella,

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she's the the drug cartel's banker, investment banker, kind of

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a you know, she's like the handler, right, I don't know,

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how do you how do you feel? I don't, I

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don't know.

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I think I think that was the bad casting choice.

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I think that part needed an actress, A like, not

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not an actress, A just a bigger name, a more noticeable,

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more familiar name.

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I don't know who that is in two thousand and six,

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but I think you're right, and.

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I've been trying to think of it too. I'd have

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to like get a list, you know, down on me

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but almost kind of go to it. Well, it would

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have to be something in like two thousand and four.

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Can I can I throw a wild card at you

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because she's.

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A appropriate because I can't. I can't think of who

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could have. Actually I did think of what I think

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you got, Eva Mendez?

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Okay, okay, yeah, Eva Mendez. Think about the time this is,

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this is two thousand and six. Can I can I

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interest you in a a samahayak? I mean she's I

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mean this the cart We're in Rio dijion Eira, we're

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in Brazil, we're flying back and forth to Miami. Yeah,

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I think I think that could work right. Yeah, I'm

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never gonna say.

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I just I thought that she was. It was just

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kind of she was just very bland. I saw no

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connect no chemistry between her and Colin Ferrell.

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Well, there's no. I think that's the problem with gong

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Lee in this in this role. I just don't think

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it's the right fit for her because there's no chemistry

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between her and and Feral In my opinion sounds like

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your opinion too, there's no And yeah, I remember she

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is like the I don't know if that's she's the

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wife or the mistress or the what. But Mendoza, uh,

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you know, the main the main unto Yeah, Montoya. Uh,

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she's obviously connected with him. And again, I just don't

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see any chemistry.

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It just I don't know.

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I needed more from Gongley. That's that's where I'm at

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with it.

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I mean, you got to you know, big guys as

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your you know lead. And we knew who Naomi Harris was.

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We we all saw twenty eight days later. We've been

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watching her so and I think, you know, Gongley had

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done like Memoirs of the Geisha, but I just felt

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that it needed something else that would that would just

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because he looked like he couldn't resist himself. He was

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supposed to look like couldn't resist himself. He but I

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just didn't see it.

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Yeah, he definitely has it for him, honestly, I'll tell

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you you wonderful person. Yeah, Gongley never doing the show

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at this point. Now that's that's okay. I'll tell you

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who you almost miss, uh blink and you miss because

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he's in such a few small scenes. But playing Zeno.

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We got a young Justin Threau. This is this is after.

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This is right around the time he's doing American Psycho

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and he hasn't really popped yet.

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I know he hasn't, and this is where I think

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he was. This is okay, this is my opinion. I

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don't this is probably complete bees but I feel that

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he was supposed to be the Val Kilmer type of

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part in this film. And he is really talent. Yeah,

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he's a really good talent. And I think not given

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him very much to do and not a lot of

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screen time I thought was a waste because he is

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a very interesting actor and he's a great writer. I

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mean so, I mean maybe we.

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Would maybe we would have got more more Zito and

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Swytek and in your proposed trilogy that never happened. I

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don't know, but can I tell you there's one more

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guy I want to talk about, and I hope you're

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with me on this because I think he is one

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of the best things about this movie. Talking about John

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Ortiz playing Joseyiro Bradly, Yeah, now let's let's talk for

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you know, if anyone that's listening to Scratcher that has

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like John Ortiz, this is one of those that guys.

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He's got like eighty something film credits. I love him. Uh.

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I was thinking about.

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There isn't a person out here who hasn't seen a

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movie he's in. I guarantee you.

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I think.

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He's He's in everything.

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He's just I always think about I always think about

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him as Ronnie in the Silver Linings playbook. You know,

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his buddy, And yeah, you're right, Carly does way he

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he's like I think it's like the sixth Fast and

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Furious movie. He's in. He's in everything, though, right, And

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when you see his face, you're like, oh, I know

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that guy. Michael Mann didn't know him until he's seen him. Uh.

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He does a small cameo in uh Carnahan's film nark

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and Michael Mann felt very yeah, you know the fire. Yeah,

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Michael Man feels he is darks funny. We can we

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can talk. We can talk Carnahan. We'll do it next

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season when we go back to our normal format, right, Yeah.

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But Michael Mann feels that he is darkly funny. He

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has to have him. And I gotta tell you this

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is this is the go to John Ortiz movie for

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me because one thing he does in this movie that

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he doesn't do in any of his other films. He

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frightens me. He is he's a bit of a scary guy,

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as like the for the for the Cartel. He I

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just I say, like, he's dude, he's he's got some

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energy in this that's just I'm like, damn, he will

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feed you to the wolves.

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I don't feel you'll see that. But he also seems

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kind of like a little bit of a lackey. Well,

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I mean he's the middle you know, he's the middleman

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until you meet Jesus, yeah, you know at the beginning. Yeah,

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so probably the scene that we're going to talk about, uh,

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you know, then it kind of turns he's not the

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not the big boss anymore. He's just kind of his

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his little puppet. That's where I felt that it wasn't

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the acting. I think it was the character. I think

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it needed a bigger bad guy.

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That surprises me. I don't know. I like him. But

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let's uh, let's move on on. Let's let's talk a

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little bit about some of the background of this movie. Brad. Uh.

467
00:26:05.440 --> 00:26:07.880
It's during a rap party for the two thousand and

468
00:26:07.960 --> 00:26:11.680
one film Ali, which we will be covering later this month.

469
00:26:12.319 --> 00:26:13.160
I've never seen that.

470
00:26:13.839 --> 00:26:16.640
You're missing out, my friend, you are missing out. Yeah,

471
00:26:16.799 --> 00:26:22.079
another another Michael Mann film, you know? Bahay I digress. Uh.

472
00:26:22.240 --> 00:26:25.839
It's at the rap party for Ali, where Jamie Fox

473
00:26:26.599 --> 00:26:29.400
is talking to Michael Man and says, hey, Man, you

474
00:26:29.400 --> 00:26:31.920
you should make a movie based on the Miami Vice

475
00:26:31.960 --> 00:26:34.759
TV series. And that's all Michael Man needs to hear

476
00:26:34.920 --> 00:26:36.480
for him to go, you know what. I've been trying

477
00:26:36.480 --> 00:26:39.000
to do this for a for a while. So he

478
00:26:39.039 --> 00:26:42.759
decides to move forward with it. Now, can we talk

479
00:26:42.759 --> 00:26:45.880
a little bit about this movie, just the cinematography. And

480
00:26:45.920 --> 00:26:48.119
I'm not saying Michael Man cinematography. I'm just talking about

481
00:26:48.200 --> 00:26:51.039
the look of the look and feel this movie, the

482
00:26:51.160 --> 00:26:55.440
visuals of Miami. Uh. And I'm talking about the skyline,

483
00:26:55.799 --> 00:26:58.799
I feel like they're stunning, and I know he's shooting

484
00:26:58.799 --> 00:27:01.640
a lot a lot more on digital with this one.

485
00:27:01.920 --> 00:27:04.880
He kind of had crossed the cross the planet that

486
00:27:05.279 --> 00:27:09.000
I think collateral collateral as well, But you gotta you

487
00:27:09.000 --> 00:27:12.559
gotta look at these skylines. Uh. And then you remember

488
00:27:13.119 --> 00:27:17.119
he's shooting Miami Vice during hurricane season, So all those

489
00:27:17.200 --> 00:27:20.480
random flashes of lightning, the gorgeous peaks of sun through

490
00:27:20.480 --> 00:27:23.720
the cloud cover, that's all the real thing that's there's

491
00:27:23.720 --> 00:27:26.960
no CGI there, and it's it's just I don't know,

492
00:27:27.000 --> 00:27:28.839
there's something about to just add like when they're having

493
00:27:28.880 --> 00:27:32.160
that rooftop meeting with with the Syrian Hines. You know,

494
00:27:32.160 --> 00:27:36.160
he's playing the FBI guy and like ship went sideways,

495
00:27:36.200 --> 00:27:39.599
they're they're unhappy, yeah, and they're just now realizing that

496
00:27:39.720 --> 00:27:42.240
you know this, this uh, this drug cartel is gonna

497
00:27:42.240 --> 00:27:45.000
be a problem. I love like just the random flashes

498
00:27:45.039 --> 00:27:47.039
of light and the fact that that's just that's just

499
00:27:47.119 --> 00:27:50.039
mother nature makes this makes all the shots of Miami

500
00:27:50.000 --> 00:27:52.000
Device a way better. I think, Well, I don't know,

501
00:27:52.279 --> 00:27:54.519
my are you picking up on that kind of stuff

502
00:27:54.519 --> 00:27:55.839
when you're watching a movie like this?

503
00:27:55.880 --> 00:27:59.960
Oh yeah, I mean it's also like you almost feel

504
00:28:00.119 --> 00:28:03.759
like Michael Man went fool Michael Mann on this movie.

505
00:28:04.160 --> 00:28:07.079
I should say, like like how John Carpenter does it,

506
00:28:07.119 --> 00:28:10.200
should say Michael Mann's Miami Vice. I mean, this is

507
00:28:10.440 --> 00:28:14.359
full on and he pretty much had free reign to

508
00:28:14.480 --> 00:28:18.480
do whatever he wanted and he went way over budget.

509
00:28:18.559 --> 00:28:21.960
But yeah, it does look stunning, you know it. But

510
00:28:23.000 --> 00:28:26.000
I mean that's his look. You know that you could

511
00:28:26.039 --> 00:28:27.920
have a pretty sunset, but then all of a sudden,

512
00:28:27.960 --> 00:28:30.920
you might have a shaky cam you know, coming at

513
00:28:30.960 --> 00:28:32.079
you at a at a gunfight.

514
00:28:32.839 --> 00:28:35.039
Yeah. Well, you know you talked earlier about like the

515
00:28:36.200 --> 00:28:38.759
even the Michael the guns feel Michael Mann like you know,

516
00:28:38.880 --> 00:28:42.720
there's no no detail that he's not checking into. Brad.

517
00:28:42.759 --> 00:28:47.359
He he employed real sea eyes, uh you know, confidential

518
00:28:47.440 --> 00:28:50.079
informants for those that don't know the language.

519
00:28:50.440 --> 00:28:50.720
Uh.

520
00:28:50.759 --> 00:28:56.079
He He's got real seis working on set as consultants,

521
00:28:56.720 --> 00:28:59.839
so that every meeting, uh, with the with the drug,

522
00:29:00.319 --> 00:29:04.480
every all the language, the numbers they discuss, everything is

523
00:29:04.519 --> 00:29:08.319
authentic because these guys are standing there going they would

524
00:29:08.319 --> 00:29:10.039
never say that or they would never.

525
00:29:09.920 --> 00:29:10.440
Act like that.

526
00:29:11.000 --> 00:29:13.319
And that's it's I mean, I get it, Like you

527
00:29:13.319 --> 00:29:16.440
want some you want consultants. But you know, he's I mean,

528
00:29:16.480 --> 00:29:19.880
it's just amazing. Michael Man is sending uh, Pharaoh and

529
00:29:19.920 --> 00:29:23.799
Fox off to do real raids with real cops. He's

530
00:29:24.039 --> 00:29:27.799
he's got real informants and criminals on the set. When

531
00:29:27.839 --> 00:29:32.480
he's shooting down South, I mean, think about that neighborhood.

532
00:29:32.480 --> 00:29:33.880
I mean that neighborhood looks really.

533
00:29:33.680 --> 00:29:35.480
He got some trouble for shooting around there.

534
00:29:35.920 --> 00:29:38.519
Well he did because the police. He shows up in

535
00:29:38.559 --> 00:29:41.240
the town and police are like, uh, you're you've picked

536
00:29:41.240 --> 00:29:43.960
the worst part of town. Yeah, we're not. We're not

537
00:29:44.000 --> 00:29:46.160
there to help. And he says, we're good.

538
00:29:46.400 --> 00:29:48.519
Because you know, look how beautiful I'd make it look.

539
00:29:48.960 --> 00:29:51.079
Well, it's not even that he makes it beautiful. It's like, hey,

540
00:29:51.119 --> 00:29:53.200
we don't need a set designer because this place, this

541
00:29:53.240 --> 00:29:55.640
looks like a shithole and this is exactly what I need.

542
00:29:56.160 --> 00:29:59.240
And I don't need the police because hey, I'll just

543
00:29:59.319 --> 00:30:02.400
hire the local gang to be my security. Yeah that's

544
00:30:02.519 --> 00:30:06.359
that's that's insane, dude. Like it's it's just unbelievable. I

545
00:30:06.799 --> 00:30:10.720
love him for it, but it's a it's unreal. But

546
00:30:10.880 --> 00:30:12.759
back to like the whole the language of it, you know,

547
00:30:12.880 --> 00:30:15.720
when when we're having these meetings. One thing I love,

548
00:30:16.400 --> 00:30:18.119
and uh not not to talk about scenes, but I

549
00:30:18.240 --> 00:30:20.680
I love it when they meet Montoya in the back

550
00:30:20.720 --> 00:30:24.079
of the car because he tells him, He tells him

551
00:30:24.119 --> 00:30:28.720
he's not buying a service, He's buying a result, right

552
00:30:28.759 --> 00:30:33.559
and Brad, under these circumstances, you cannot fail. I love

553
00:30:33.559 --> 00:30:35.359
that he's offering his regards to their families.

554
00:30:36.000 --> 00:30:36.200
Uh.

555
00:30:36.240 --> 00:30:38.960
And meanwhile Trudy receives what like a five hundred dollars

556
00:30:38.960 --> 00:30:43.880
worth of yellow roses. It's a warning because that's how

557
00:30:43.920 --> 00:30:46.599
these guys are in real life. And these aspects of

558
00:30:46.640 --> 00:30:50.160
the script are all taken from real moments that Michael

559
00:30:50.200 --> 00:30:55.000
Man has researched and and interviewed people about. Yeah, the

560
00:30:55.000 --> 00:30:58.839
cartels send it, said flowers to my mother. They they

561
00:30:58.880 --> 00:31:01.440
want you to know we know who you are, we

562
00:31:01.519 --> 00:31:03.000
know where you are, and we can get to you

563
00:31:03.039 --> 00:31:03.680
when we want.

564
00:31:05.240 --> 00:31:07.240
There's good, Denia said, and good for us. You know,

565
00:31:07.279 --> 00:31:08.960
you might know who we are, but we know who

566
00:31:09.039 --> 00:31:09.400
you are.

567
00:31:09.480 --> 00:31:12.559
We know who you are. Yeah, Well, I want to

568
00:31:12.559 --> 00:31:15.759
ask you about this. Uh. There was one actor. You

569
00:31:15.839 --> 00:31:20.160
may know this already. One actor was asked to reprise

570
00:31:20.240 --> 00:31:23.880
his role from the original series and turned him down,

571
00:31:23.880 --> 00:31:24.759
turned Michael mine down.

572
00:31:25.359 --> 00:31:27.319
It was ever Jans almost wasn't it.

573
00:31:27.319 --> 00:31:30.920
It was uh. I always love his castillo.

574
00:31:31.119 --> 00:31:32.240
I think he done it.

575
00:31:32.599 --> 00:31:34.480
He definitely couldn't. Why could he done it? He'd done it,

576
00:31:34.480 --> 00:31:35.880
I don't know why. I don't know why. I said

577
00:31:35.960 --> 00:31:36.400
nobody did it.

578
00:31:36.440 --> 00:31:38.920
And that's the thing is, if you're saying that, all right,

579
00:31:38.960 --> 00:31:42.960
this is just exactly from the show. By throwing in

580
00:31:43.039 --> 00:31:47.039
somebody like that, you got us going like, okay.

581
00:31:46.720 --> 00:31:47.359
We're caught up.

582
00:31:47.400 --> 00:31:51.000
But also too, it's like it's been at that point

583
00:31:51.000 --> 00:31:53.279
in time. How long have Miami Vice been off?

584
00:31:53.279 --> 00:31:55.480
The went off went off the air in eighty nine,

585
00:31:55.799 --> 00:31:57.559
I think, so we're not a.

586
00:31:58.200 --> 00:32:00.559
People got a shortest tension span when it comes to that,

587
00:32:00.640 --> 00:32:03.039
and especially you know, I mean, it wasn't moving as

588
00:32:03.119 --> 00:32:04.480
fast as it is now in two thousand and six.

589
00:32:04.599 --> 00:32:07.480
It was moving fast. You gotta give you got to

590
00:32:07.519 --> 00:32:10.720
give people a prologue or something.

591
00:32:10.759 --> 00:32:14.279
Then well, I'm gonna I'm gonna drop this on you.

592
00:32:14.720 --> 00:32:18.000
I think this is a question everyone has always asked

593
00:32:18.119 --> 00:32:22.000
about the film version of Miami Vice. I know I

594
00:32:22.039 --> 00:32:23.680
asked it for the longest time until I until I

595
00:32:23.720 --> 00:32:27.559
uncovered this uh. Edward James almost not the only person

596
00:32:27.599 --> 00:32:32.359
to say no to Michael mann uh Jan Hamer was

597
00:32:32.400 --> 00:32:35.440
asked to return and do a new version of his

598
00:32:35.680 --> 00:32:39.480
iconic theme because the theme is everything for I mean,

599
00:32:39.599 --> 00:32:43.759
it is Miami Vice. But he said no. Maybe maybe

600
00:32:43.759 --> 00:32:45.119
he was busy, maybe he was working on you know,

601
00:32:45.279 --> 00:32:46.759
I'd have to go back and see what he was

602
00:32:47.039 --> 00:32:49.039
working on two thousand and five, where he was like,

603
00:32:49.039 --> 00:32:50.400
now I'm not doing though, I'm not doing. No.

604
00:32:50.440 --> 00:32:52.400
I don't want to do like a big, gigantic movie

605
00:32:52.480 --> 00:32:53.720
or I get paid lots of money.

606
00:32:53.720 --> 00:32:57.920
And yeah, again, well think about this when you when

607
00:32:58.000 --> 00:33:06.200
you think music and Miami Vice. Now, yeah, you hear

608
00:33:06.240 --> 00:33:08.000
you think that, and then you I think you have

609
00:33:08.039 --> 00:33:10.920
to think about Phil Collins in the air tonight. So

610
00:33:11.319 --> 00:33:14.160
I do appreciate that we at least get a new

611
00:33:14.240 --> 00:33:17.240
version of that from the rock band Non Point, and

612
00:33:17.279 --> 00:33:18.200
it's not a bad version.

613
00:33:18.599 --> 00:33:21.799
I like that version. But I think we could have

614
00:33:21.799 --> 00:33:24.480
thrown the fill one in there somewhere though. Oh I

615
00:33:24.559 --> 00:33:27.200
think they could have and correct me if I'm wrong

616
00:33:28.920 --> 00:33:31.680
that the You can only hear the Non Point version

617
00:33:31.880 --> 00:33:35.319
on the unrated verse on the unrated UH director's cut

618
00:33:35.319 --> 00:33:37.440
of the movie or can you hear in the theatrical one.

619
00:33:37.799 --> 00:33:39.559
I thought you could hear an theatrical one.

620
00:33:39.680 --> 00:33:42.079
I've got so I've got the I've got the DVD

621
00:33:42.440 --> 00:33:46.880
and it's it's prominently featured at the end, So okay, Yeah,

622
00:33:46.920 --> 00:33:48.359
and I know it's not I'm not looking at like

623
00:33:48.400 --> 00:33:51.400
my my disc doesn't say unrated director's cut, so I'm

624
00:33:51.400 --> 00:33:52.720
pretty sure you're getting an impage.

625
00:33:53.160 --> 00:33:55.599
Yeah, mine's. I still haven't been able to upgrade to

626
00:33:55.640 --> 00:33:57.200
the Blu Ray yet. I'm gonna wait till they do,

627
00:33:57.279 --> 00:33:58.880
like a a really.

628
00:33:58.680 --> 00:34:01.079
Solid version of that. We need a four. Yeah, that's

629
00:34:01.079 --> 00:34:01.920
what we need to wait for that.

630
00:34:02.039 --> 00:34:02.519
Yeah.

631
00:34:02.680 --> 00:34:04.839
Yeah, but and I'll tell you what when you do

632
00:34:04.880 --> 00:34:07.920
get it. Listen that Michael Man audio commentary. It's awesome.

633
00:34:09.360 --> 00:34:11.159
All right, let's take another break and then when we

634
00:34:11.199 --> 00:34:17.440
get back, well, we'll talk about a scene. Brad, I

635
00:34:17.480 --> 00:34:19.440
know there is a scene that you would like to

636
00:34:19.440 --> 00:34:22.039
talk about. There's a scene I want to talk about.

637
00:34:22.079 --> 00:34:24.159
But before I you tell us what your scene is,

638
00:34:24.159 --> 00:34:26.679
I want I'm going to ask you the question, why

639
00:34:26.679 --> 00:34:30.920
did you specifically choose this scene? Is it for the cinematography,

640
00:34:31.400 --> 00:34:34.199
is there a strong performance in it? Is it the

641
00:34:34.199 --> 00:34:38.239
pivotal moment or you know, is it? Is it the

642
00:34:38.239 --> 00:34:40.760
one that didn't piss Amber Lewis off? What? What? Why

643
00:34:40.760 --> 00:34:41.000
are you?

644
00:34:45.440 --> 00:34:50.679
I think because you at least see I mean, they're

645
00:34:50.679 --> 00:34:53.920
basically just it's the scene is them just kind of

646
00:34:54.320 --> 00:34:57.159
putting all their cards on the table. So I like

647
00:34:57.239 --> 00:34:59.480
that they're saying, is who we are? It's who we are.

648
00:34:59.559 --> 00:35:02.880
They're kind of like showing each other their business, you know.

649
00:35:02.960 --> 00:35:05.239
Okay, so hold on, I think we've done it again.

650
00:35:05.599 --> 00:35:09.000
I think you did, didn't we I okay, let me

651
00:35:09.079 --> 00:35:10.559
just let me just put it this, put it to

652
00:35:10.559 --> 00:35:13.320
you this way. I'm going for strong performance and that's

653
00:35:13.320 --> 00:35:16.760
why I've got Crockett and Tubs meet jose Yarrow to

654
00:35:16.800 --> 00:35:18.400
set up the test round. Is that what you got?

655
00:35:18.880 --> 00:35:20.559
I got it, But I think I got it just

656
00:35:20.599 --> 00:35:24.800
for the the the intensity that you get during the

657
00:35:24.840 --> 00:35:25.119
you know that?

658
00:35:25.239 --> 00:35:28.360
Yeah, well that's what I'm saying. The performances here from

659
00:35:28.400 --> 00:35:33.760
all three of these guys are just just amazing. S

660
00:35:34.039 --> 00:35:39.760
Price is it right? Vice is right? But how I

661
00:35:39.960 --> 00:35:45.480
know if you want to go to this ship? Yeah?

662
00:35:46.599 --> 00:35:49.320
What's that? Eh? Your business?

663
00:35:49.719 --> 00:35:52.840
How much volume when you do, whose product you move,

664
00:35:53.199 --> 00:35:56.199
who you work with, other than las, who the fuck

665
00:35:56.280 --> 00:36:05.679
knows you? Well, my mom and daddy know men, and

666
00:36:05.719 --> 00:36:07.159
we don't talk about who we work with. And we

667
00:36:07.199 --> 00:36:10.239
didn't come down here to auditions for business business auditions

668
00:36:10.239 --> 00:36:10.599
for US.

669
00:36:12.880 --> 00:36:15.639
So you know, the FBI you kind of alluded this earlier.

670
00:36:15.679 --> 00:36:19.119
The FBI think that euro is a mid level drug lord.

671
00:36:19.159 --> 00:36:23.239
You know, he's he's worth our attention, but in fact

672
00:36:23.320 --> 00:36:26.679
he's middle management to a bigger threat. Right, And you've

673
00:36:26.679 --> 00:36:29.360
got cracking and tubs. They're posing as smugglers using these

674
00:36:29.360 --> 00:36:33.760
cigarette boats, you know, under cover of night to transport

675
00:36:33.840 --> 00:36:38.199
about what it's like fifteen million worth of cocaine a deal.

676
00:36:38.440 --> 00:36:41.920
They're earning what three thousand per key and this is

677
00:36:42.119 --> 00:36:45.679
just a test run that they're talking about fifteen million

678
00:36:45.679 --> 00:36:48.119
dollars in play. I mean, this is you know, Montoya,

679
00:36:48.159 --> 00:36:52.159
he's a billionaire drug lord. This is just it's an audition.

680
00:36:52.440 --> 00:36:56.440
But I love I love some of the dialogue here,

681
00:36:56.719 --> 00:36:59.639
you know, especially Jamie Fox. You know what, Yeah, this

682
00:36:59.880 --> 00:37:02.559
is we don't. We don't audition for business business auditions

683
00:37:02.559 --> 00:37:03.159
for US.

684
00:37:03.840 --> 00:37:07.719
I mean even the just the walk once they're there

685
00:37:07.840 --> 00:37:09.639
and the walk leading up to it. I think the

686
00:37:09.639 --> 00:37:14.719
first line is why does it feel like everybody knows

687
00:37:14.719 --> 00:37:16.840
we're here, So you know, twelve, you know, fifteen feet

688
00:37:16.840 --> 00:37:17.840
away because one.

689
00:37:17.679 --> 00:37:22.159
Knows we're here, because everyone knows we're here. Yeah, that

690
00:37:22.199 --> 00:37:23.159
we got to pack it down.

691
00:37:23.239 --> 00:37:26.599
But until the end of that scene, because I don't

692
00:37:26.639 --> 00:37:29.360
think there's a yeah, that whole that's the beginning.

693
00:37:29.920 --> 00:37:33.039
Yeah, they're in the worst part of town. A lot

694
00:37:33.079 --> 00:37:34.480
of these people that you see like they're that are

695
00:37:34.599 --> 00:37:37.079
that are given the eyeball and they're they're kind of

696
00:37:37.360 --> 00:37:41.960
watching them locals, you know. Michael Man's like, I'm going

697
00:37:42.000 --> 00:37:44.559
for authenticity. I'll tell you what, why don't we just

698
00:37:44.639 --> 00:37:47.320
hire the people that live here and they can just

699
00:37:47.320 --> 00:37:50.639
stand here and you know, stare us down. Great, I'm

700
00:37:50.639 --> 00:37:53.519
not worried about getting hurt. You know, the gang, they're

701
00:37:53.639 --> 00:37:55.480
my security, Like, well, let's keep us.

702
00:37:55.719 --> 00:38:00.079
And it's like once they get in that is you.

703
00:38:00.079 --> 00:38:02.079
You just feel this like it's closing in on you,

704
00:38:02.159 --> 00:38:04.559
closing in on you, and everyone's moving up a little bit,

705
00:38:04.679 --> 00:38:06.719
moving up a little bit. He does it a little

706
00:38:06.760 --> 00:38:12.000
bit in a collateral when Jamie Fox has to he

707
00:38:12.079 --> 00:38:14.719
kind of feels him coming and he turns into his

708
00:38:14.760 --> 00:38:20.239
play vincent. But here he got it really right and

709
00:38:20.280 --> 00:38:21.960
He really built up the day. But I love how

710
00:38:22.079 --> 00:38:25.639
everyone is ready. He want us to be telling you

711
00:38:25.679 --> 00:38:26.239
about our ship.

712
00:38:27.199 --> 00:38:28.239
You can't find out on your own.

713
00:38:29.440 --> 00:38:31.760
Why do I not buy that? You with d A

714
00:38:31.960 --> 00:38:32.800
the fee? What's up?

715
00:38:32.920 --> 00:38:36.239
They're talking to my transport mane with the man? He

716
00:38:36.320 --> 00:38:40.800
wearing a wire. I'm gonna tell you what's gonna happen.

717
00:38:41.880 --> 00:38:42.679
He's gonna come in here.

718
00:38:42.719 --> 00:38:44.559
You know what they're gonna say. They're gonna look around

719
00:38:44.559 --> 00:38:47.199
and they're gonna go, oh, he has some crazy motherfucking

720
00:38:47.239 --> 00:38:48.199
wall paper. What is it?

721
00:38:48.920 --> 00:38:54.639
Jackson Pollock? No vehicle?

722
00:38:55.039 --> 00:38:57.960
Those holds a you got splattered all over his own wall.

723
00:38:59.280 --> 00:39:03.119
So we can close each other's eyes right now, real fast.

724
00:39:06.480 --> 00:39:10.000
And ain't nobody wanna make no money? Amazing? Like I said,

725
00:39:10.079 --> 00:39:13.880
amazing performances here does is Jamie Fox kind of quietly

726
00:39:13.960 --> 00:39:16.960
winning this scene now because I think he kind of

727
00:39:16.960 --> 00:39:19.159
gets all the good lines, even even at the end

728
00:39:19.199 --> 00:39:21.960
when when Euro is like okay, we're because he's kind

729
00:39:22.000 --> 00:39:24.079
of like he's testing him, right, he wants to see

730
00:39:24.239 --> 00:39:26.440
how far he can push him. And I love how

731
00:39:26.480 --> 00:39:29.079
he leans in. He's like, hey, you know, I you

732
00:39:29.079 --> 00:39:32.400
you're okay, But this one he points it points at Crocket.

733
00:39:32.440 --> 00:39:34.960
He's like this one, I don't like how he looks,

734
00:39:35.519 --> 00:39:40.000
and Foxes Fox leans closer to him. You're trying to

735
00:39:40.039 --> 00:39:42.360
fuck him? Or do you want to do business? Because

736
00:39:42.360 --> 00:39:44.599
I don't care what you're think about how he looks. Like,

737
00:39:44.599 --> 00:39:48.039
we're here, you know, love it? This is this is

738
00:39:48.079 --> 00:39:50.199
the scene of scenes in this movie. I think, let

739
00:39:50.199 --> 00:39:50.559
meat up.

740
00:39:50.639 --> 00:39:54.800
Yeah, and you're almost in like a basement, so.

741
00:39:55.559 --> 00:39:57.559
It's like, yeah, it's Euro's club. We're on the we're

742
00:39:57.559 --> 00:39:59.920
on the bottom, you know, bottom of the club. One.

743
00:40:00.360 --> 00:40:02.599
You know, they all start pulling out their guns, you know,

744
00:40:02.800 --> 00:40:07.199
and Zito throws, uh, you know, crocke at the grenade

745
00:40:08.199 --> 00:40:13.840
clutch right, and it's like, yeah they could because they're underneath,

746
00:40:13.880 --> 00:40:16.039
you know, not going to blow up the public, but hey,

747
00:40:16.079 --> 00:40:18.519
we'll kill us all right here. But then he's just like,

748
00:40:19.320 --> 00:40:20.480
didn't gonna get paid?

749
00:40:21.239 --> 00:40:24.159
Love it? Yeah? Right, let's uh, we don't have a

750
00:40:24.199 --> 00:40:28.039
cigarette boat, but let's run the numbers on this one again.

751
00:40:28.519 --> 00:40:30.880
A little little throwback to Miami Vice, the TV series.

752
00:40:30.960 --> 00:40:35.199
It aired on NBC from September sixteenth, nineteen eighty four

753
00:40:35.840 --> 00:40:39.320
to nineteen eighty nine. I'm talking five seasons, one hundred

754
00:40:39.360 --> 00:40:43.599
eleven episodes total. And I gotta tell you, my friend,

755
00:40:44.400 --> 00:40:48.960
I've been living in Miami lately because I bought the

756
00:40:49.079 --> 00:40:52.360
DVD box set. Amazon had it on sales like it

757
00:40:52.400 --> 00:40:55.960
was like thirty bucks for all five seasons. Oh so good.

758
00:40:56.440 --> 00:40:59.000
I put it on in years.

759
00:40:59.039 --> 00:41:00.559
I know it's stream though.

760
00:41:01.079 --> 00:41:03.320
Yeah, well it was, but I don't think it. I

761
00:41:03.320 --> 00:41:04.960
don't think you can find it now. I think it.

762
00:41:04.960 --> 00:41:07.079
It was on Pluto for the like Pluto TV for

763
00:41:07.119 --> 00:41:09.599
the longest time, and that's when I was like, oh,

764
00:41:09.599 --> 00:41:10.679
I think I'm gonna start it. And then it was

765
00:41:10.719 --> 00:41:12.119
like leaving soon, so I was like, you know what,

766
00:41:12.480 --> 00:41:14.599
I'll just get it. And then it was kiss me

767
00:41:14.679 --> 00:41:18.159
because Amazon had it on sale. Brad, you know we

768
00:41:18.199 --> 00:41:21.159
got we got Father's Day coming up. You got you know,

769
00:41:21.320 --> 00:41:23.639
you got your birthday coming up? My friend, Uh, you

770
00:41:23.679 --> 00:41:26.760
were right round the corner of that. Yeah, you gotta

771
00:41:26.760 --> 00:41:28.039
put that on a list. You got to. You gotta

772
00:41:28.079 --> 00:41:31.360
get it. But anyways, back to the numbers. The film

773
00:41:31.440 --> 00:41:35.159
opened July twenty eighth, two thousand and six, at number one,

774
00:41:36.280 --> 00:41:39.440
ending the month long reign of Pirates of the Caribbean.

775
00:41:39.480 --> 00:41:41.960
Dead Man's Chest. This is a good time to be

776
00:41:42.039 --> 00:41:44.800
Naomi Harris by the way, Oh yeah, she's in. She's

777
00:41:44.800 --> 00:41:49.880
in the number one movie movies for like like two months.

778
00:41:49.920 --> 00:41:52.840
It's a good time to be her. Brad. It grossed

779
00:41:52.840 --> 00:41:56.559
one hundred and sixty four million worldwide, which is fantastic

780
00:41:56.719 --> 00:41:59.880
until you realize, and you pointed this out, he went

781
00:42:00.039 --> 00:42:02.800
wildly over budget budget on this one ended up at

782
00:42:02.800 --> 00:42:06.480
one hundred and thirty five million dollars. So to the

783
00:42:07.480 --> 00:42:09.920
to the person that doesn't understand, it's like, yeah, okay,

784
00:42:09.960 --> 00:42:12.119
it made a profit. But when you once you add

785
00:42:12.159 --> 00:42:15.559
in you know, promo and ad revenue and all that

786
00:42:15.639 --> 00:42:16.199
kind of stuff.

787
00:42:16.360 --> 00:42:18.639
I mean, it's a little upside down. You watch that

788
00:42:18.719 --> 00:42:22.239
movie and it looks expensive. Everybody's got the best of

789
00:42:22.239 --> 00:42:23.800
the best of the best stuff.

790
00:42:24.159 --> 00:42:25.639
You know. Yeah, it's the.

791
00:42:25.519 --> 00:42:29.840
Best technology, the biggest house, the coolest car. It's just

792
00:42:30.280 --> 00:42:32.039
on and on. The coolest fact that he.

793
00:42:32.000 --> 00:42:34.800
Went out his way to get Crockett's car and he

794
00:42:34.880 --> 00:42:39.360
got that right, perfectly, Absolutely love it, Brad. Miami Vice

795
00:42:39.599 --> 00:42:42.320
has a six point one out of ten on IMDb,

796
00:42:43.000 --> 00:42:46.280
has a forty seven percent Rotten Tomatoes score, which I

797
00:42:46.280 --> 00:42:49.480
don't understand. And then it's a three point four out

798
00:42:49.480 --> 00:42:52.559
of five on letterbox if you're a letterbox guy, I

799
00:42:52.599 --> 00:42:56.000
know you're a letterbox guy. So I don't know. I

800
00:42:56.039 --> 00:42:58.039
just I feel like this movie should have a higher,

801
00:42:58.880 --> 00:43:02.679
higher rating. I think it maybe it's like maybe it's like,

802
00:43:02.840 --> 00:43:05.199
you know, people like you are like I wanted the

803
00:43:06.039 --> 00:43:09.400
I wanted the vibe. I wanted the that that you know.

804
00:43:09.440 --> 00:43:12.280
Yeah, And as I was watching it the you know night,

805
00:43:12.280 --> 00:43:14.840
I just like I said, they just I thought they

806
00:43:14.880 --> 00:43:20.000
missed a huge opportunity with this. I mean it, it

807
00:43:20.079 --> 00:43:23.880
did dethrone, you know, Pirates of the Caribbean, but it's

808
00:43:24.000 --> 00:43:28.079
kind of just after that just went like downhill. And

809
00:43:29.559 --> 00:43:32.599
I know some people that love this film, but after

810
00:43:32.639 --> 00:43:37.320
watching it is it's hard to follow. I think the

811
00:43:37.440 --> 00:43:41.800
villains should have been switched. I think the white supremacists

812
00:43:41.800 --> 00:43:44.360
were so you talked about being scared by Jose Arrow,

813
00:43:44.679 --> 00:43:48.039
that guy exactly, so when Colin Ferrell said the guy,

814
00:43:48.360 --> 00:43:51.559
you do not want that motherfucker coming near me. That

815
00:43:51.599 --> 00:43:55.079
guy scares me. Those guns that they had scare me,

816
00:43:55.119 --> 00:43:57.480
and I thought those are so cool, and I thought

817
00:43:57.679 --> 00:44:02.000
they should have been the focus of the of the

818
00:44:02.039 --> 00:44:06.159
investigation instead of the Cuban market. I think the white

819
00:44:06.159 --> 00:44:08.840
supremaciom would have made a more interesting story you could

820
00:44:08.880 --> 00:44:12.280
have had. But I think you should have switched or

821
00:44:12.559 --> 00:44:15.559
he said okay, then it stretched them both out then

822
00:44:16.239 --> 00:44:19.159
and give them both equal bad guy times.

823
00:44:19.639 --> 00:44:22.519
There is something about the Aaron Brotherhood that Michael Mann

824
00:44:23.840 --> 00:44:26.519
always goes back to. I mean, he's got him here.

825
00:44:27.400 --> 00:44:29.840
They they're they're briefly in Collateral. You know if you

826
00:44:29.840 --> 00:44:33.480
remember the guys that that rob Jimmie Fox in his

827
00:44:33.559 --> 00:44:38.920
cab and yeah there and he yeah, Wayne grow definitely

828
00:44:39.039 --> 00:44:40.679
showing off some not.

829
00:44:40.800 --> 00:44:43.039
When you see that stuff, it says evil.

830
00:44:43.639 --> 00:44:44.559
Evil. Yeah evil.

831
00:44:45.599 --> 00:44:47.280
They scared me evil.

832
00:44:47.280 --> 00:44:49.360
Hollywood Nazis are the scariest bad you know, they're the

833
00:44:49.400 --> 00:44:51.039
worst of the bad guys. We love seeing them get

834
00:44:51.360 --> 00:44:52.519
get get destroyed.

835
00:44:53.400 --> 00:44:56.679
I think a more interesting film would have been trying

836
00:44:56.719 --> 00:44:59.880
to go into the undercover there. I think that would

837
00:44:59.920 --> 00:45:03.760
have been a better film. They're just the more dangerous

838
00:45:03.760 --> 00:45:04.320
bad guys.

839
00:45:04.719 --> 00:45:08.440
I need I need a ranking here. So on the

840
00:45:08.440 --> 00:45:13.480
Michaelman Collateral episode, I coined a phrase. I call it

841
00:45:14.119 --> 00:45:18.760
the Palm Tree trilogy. Uh for Michael Mann. It's it's

842
00:45:18.800 --> 00:45:22.639
the Michael Man package of films that includes Heat, Collateral,

843
00:45:22.679 --> 00:45:25.519
and Miami Vice. This is I call this the Palm

844
00:45:25.519 --> 00:45:28.719
Tree trilogy because these movies all kind of go together.

845
00:45:28.760 --> 00:45:31.400
You could watch all three of these together and kind

846
00:45:31.400 --> 00:45:34.719
of get like a cohesive story. Because that's how Michael,

847
00:45:34.719 --> 00:45:36.960
because that's how Michael Man is so bred. I'm gonna

848
00:45:36.960 --> 00:45:42.920
ask you, uh rank rank my Palm Tree trilogy again, Heat, Collateral,

849
00:45:42.920 --> 00:45:46.239
Mimy Vice, give me your good, better and best?

850
00:45:46.559 --> 00:45:53.880
With these three movies, Oh, Miami the movie better or Good?

851
00:45:54.440 --> 00:45:55.559
Okay, Mimy Vice.

852
00:45:55.400 --> 00:46:01.199
Good, Miamidvice Good, Collateral two, and Collateral Better. Collateral is

853
00:46:01.239 --> 00:46:02.119
better than Miami Advice.

854
00:46:02.199 --> 00:46:05.679
Yes, so you're going You're good better Okay. So Brad

855
00:46:05.760 --> 00:46:08.840
Keseo's good Better, Best is Miami Vice than Collateral? And

856
00:46:08.880 --> 00:46:09.320
then Heat?

857
00:46:09.639 --> 00:46:12.000
Okay? So you talk about this, you know, kind of

858
00:46:12.000 --> 00:46:13.920
a very similar true and I agree with that kind

859
00:46:13.960 --> 00:46:17.800
of trilogy thing, like how you can watch Goodfellas, Casino

860
00:46:18.199 --> 00:46:21.519
The Irishman and kind of had you know you he

861
00:46:21.880 --> 00:46:26.800
especially Yeah, but he ended it with like a big one.

862
00:46:26.880 --> 00:46:30.079
So I felt that this, being the weakest one out

863
00:46:30.119 --> 00:46:35.079
of that so called Man type of trilogy was he

864
00:46:35.119 --> 00:46:37.239
should have went the full Michael Man on it. I

865
00:46:37.239 --> 00:46:40.320
think they should have went full three hours you know,

866
00:46:40.480 --> 00:46:43.880
Michael Man, and let him do because he could have

867
00:46:43.880 --> 00:46:45.320
came up with a lot more stuff. I know there's

868
00:46:45.320 --> 00:46:48.039
a lot of rewrites on the movie, but I think

869
00:46:48.039 --> 00:46:50.679
he should have went full way in and kind of

870
00:46:51.400 --> 00:46:54.760
almost because when I saw Heat for the first time,

871
00:46:55.079 --> 00:46:56.920
I had to see it in a dollar fifty theater.

872
00:46:57.000 --> 00:46:59.400
It was hard to find actually when it first came out.

873
00:46:59.599 --> 00:47:02.360
I you know, I remember hearing, you know, Michael Man

874
00:47:02.480 --> 00:47:05.119
of Last I remember just Last of the Mohicans and

875
00:47:05.199 --> 00:47:08.000
knowing he was from Miami Vice and you know, and

876
00:47:08.199 --> 00:47:11.320
I noticed things like that and in Heat. So I

877
00:47:11.440 --> 00:47:15.079
was very excited when this film came out because I

878
00:47:15.079 --> 00:47:17.800
think it was one of those things that like, how

879
00:47:17.800 --> 00:47:21.000
many years did we hear oh before it actually happened.

880
00:47:21.079 --> 00:47:23.360
Lucas was writing a prequel. Lucas was writing a prequel

881
00:47:23.360 --> 00:47:25.639
before he actually wrote a prequel, you know, and how

882
00:47:25.639 --> 00:47:28.320
many and I felt like you kept hearing, oh, Michael

883
00:47:28.360 --> 00:47:31.760
Man will eventually do a Miami Vice movie, And then

884
00:47:31.800 --> 00:47:36.639
when it finally came, I was very excited when it,

885
00:47:36.880 --> 00:47:39.639
you know, came out. I remember I remember that it

886
00:47:39.679 --> 00:47:41.960
was on a cover of Entertainment Weekly when I would

887
00:47:41.960 --> 00:47:46.159
get Entertainment Weekly and Yeah. When I saw it, I

888
00:47:46.159 --> 00:47:48.920
think I almost tried to make myself like it a

889
00:47:48.920 --> 00:47:52.960
little bit more than I did, because it is very

890
00:47:53.039 --> 00:47:56.000
It's kind of a confusing move because so subtle and

891
00:47:56.239 --> 00:47:59.199
one of the things that bothers the hell out of me.

892
00:47:59.559 --> 00:48:01.119
And I know you said, like, Michael Man did this

893
00:48:01.159 --> 00:48:04.840
on purpose? Who is the FBI leak? Okay, so he

894
00:48:04.880 --> 00:48:06.559
does that scene, he goes, you're gonna put out a

895
00:48:06.559 --> 00:48:09.840
thing saying buckle bus for DA you say this for FBI,

896
00:48:09.920 --> 00:48:12.800
you say this, you know for So he did it

897
00:48:12.800 --> 00:48:15.000
all and I think he found out it came from

898
00:48:15.039 --> 00:48:16.639
the FBI the leak.

899
00:48:16.840 --> 00:48:20.159
Well, Krocke tells him, hey, you've got the leak, So

900
00:48:20.800 --> 00:48:23.159
we're doing our thing. You're not gonna know.

901
00:48:23.320 --> 00:48:25.320
We're not We're not gonna find out about the leak.

902
00:48:26.119 --> 00:48:28.320
I guess gonna hang out there or is it just

903
00:48:29.239 --> 00:48:32.440
I think that there could have been a lot of

904
00:48:32.639 --> 00:48:36.280
unsolved things that could have been solved that if he

905
00:48:36.320 --> 00:48:38.440
would have just given it all the way. And I

906
00:48:38.480 --> 00:48:41.880
felt like he started to, and then he's kind of like, oh,

907
00:48:41.880 --> 00:48:44.000
well I can't. He kind of put the brakes on.

908
00:48:45.039 --> 00:48:47.400
Well, we're gonna take one last break, and then we

909
00:48:47.519 --> 00:48:52.639
get back, we'll start wrapping things up, all right, Brad,

910
00:48:53.599 --> 00:48:58.440
written by, directed by, or starring. I want to know

911
00:48:58.519 --> 00:49:03.320
what underrated? Probably would you suggest someone check out if

912
00:49:03.400 --> 00:49:06.480
Michael Mann is the topic of conversation, I got a

913
00:49:06.480 --> 00:49:07.960
good one for you. I don't think you've seen it,

914
00:49:07.960 --> 00:49:09.840
but I want to hear I want to hear you.

915
00:49:09.360 --> 00:49:14.000
You you first, I mean, I like the Insider.

916
00:49:14.920 --> 00:49:18.039
It's oh, that's not underrated though, I mean it got

917
00:49:18.039 --> 00:49:21.599
a bit it's a underrated movie. It was. Yeah, you remember,

918
00:49:21.639 --> 00:49:25.280
like we've always done, We've always talked underrated movies, and

919
00:49:25.320 --> 00:49:27.679
then this this question. It used to give us the

920
00:49:27.679 --> 00:49:31.079
opportunity to talk about a blockbuster, like hey, if someone

921
00:49:31.639 --> 00:49:33.639
saw Michael Mann for the first time, like now what

922
00:49:33.880 --> 00:49:37.119
was But we've we've turned the tables. We're talking about

923
00:49:37.159 --> 00:49:40.400
a big movie, and now the challenge is what's an

924
00:49:40.480 --> 00:49:42.639
underrated Michael Mann project? And you can talk about something

925
00:49:42.639 --> 00:49:43.920
he wrote, or you can talk about something.

926
00:49:43.800 --> 00:49:46.280
You'd say that Tokyo vice, Tokyo vice.

927
00:49:47.000 --> 00:49:49.920
Okay, I see, I kind of knew. I remember when

928
00:49:49.920 --> 00:49:51.480
that came out. You were a big fan of it,

929
00:49:52.039 --> 00:49:54.239
but it kind of it landed softly, so I kind

930
00:49:54.239 --> 00:49:56.079
of was thinking you were gonna go Tokyovice. It's on

931
00:49:56.119 --> 00:49:58.639
I mean it's on HBO Max correct.

932
00:49:58.599 --> 00:50:02.440
Yeah, I mean I still need to see like Ferrari.

933
00:50:03.159 --> 00:50:07.639
I haven't seen Ferrari. I've seen Black Hat once, but

934
00:50:07.719 --> 00:50:09.960
I heard that you need to see the director's cut,

935
00:50:10.199 --> 00:50:13.639
and so there's there's some more, Michael Man, I need

936
00:50:13.719 --> 00:50:16.639
to catch up on. Okay, I think here's a little

937
00:50:16.639 --> 00:50:19.119
bit of the keep. I didn't see all of it,

938
00:50:19.440 --> 00:50:21.760
but everybody looks.

939
00:50:21.679 --> 00:50:24.719
You're going to that's your pick. You can't just all right,

940
00:50:25.320 --> 00:50:28.599
you mentioned mine, you mentioned mine, I'm going twenty fifteen

941
00:50:29.159 --> 00:50:34.559
Black Hat, directed by Michael Mann starring Chris Hemsworth. You're right, though,

942
00:50:34.599 --> 00:50:36.039
you need to watch this one a couple of times

943
00:50:36.039 --> 00:50:40.239
to really pick up what's going on. Hemsworth listeners. Hemsworth

944
00:50:40.320 --> 00:50:42.519
is a convict hired by the government to catch a

945
00:50:42.639 --> 00:50:48.679
high level cybercrime network, and no surprise, you know he's

946
00:50:48.719 --> 00:50:52.960
using real criminals and cis on mim device. He's obviously

947
00:50:53.039 --> 00:50:57.000
using real hackers on this set of Black Hat to

948
00:50:57.079 --> 00:50:59.360
ensure that everything you see is authentic. There too, very

949
00:50:59.360 --> 00:51:03.199
cool movie, but not something you're gonna turn on. And

950
00:51:03.199 --> 00:51:05.519
then you know, glance at your cell phone occasionally. It's

951
00:51:05.519 --> 00:51:06.960
not something you're gonna have it on the background. If

952
00:51:06.960 --> 00:51:08.760
you're not gonna sit down and invest your time and

953
00:51:08.800 --> 00:51:11.159
watch it, then you're gonna be completely lost. But black

954
00:51:11.159 --> 00:51:17.239
Hat is my choice. Brad's choice for the film adaptation

955
00:51:17.360 --> 00:51:20.639
of Miami Vice. Brad, I don't know where you're at

956
00:51:20.679 --> 00:51:22.840
with the recommendation. Are you recommending people check this out?

957
00:51:23.719 --> 00:51:27.519
I reckon if you're a fan of the Michael Man style,

958
00:51:28.440 --> 00:51:34.039
and this is very Michael Man. It's a Michael Man

959
00:51:34.119 --> 00:51:38.480
is cool. His music is cool, his characters are cool.

960
00:51:38.679 --> 00:51:42.320
You know, it's always about being cool. And so if

961
00:51:42.360 --> 00:51:46.239
you like that, And but it could have used some

962
00:51:46.280 --> 00:51:48.639
more action. I think I think it could have used

963
00:51:48.639 --> 00:51:52.199
a lot more action. And yeah, that was the thing

964
00:51:52.199 --> 00:51:53.599
that kind of really hurt me, was like, there's not

965
00:51:53.639 --> 00:51:56.159
a whole lot of action. I thought, there really need

966
00:51:56.199 --> 00:51:59.719
to be some more action. And I have this like

967
00:51:59.760 --> 00:52:03.239
a like I said, unrated DVD copy, and the movie

968
00:52:03.519 --> 00:52:07.480
begins differently than the theatrical one. It starts with this

969
00:52:08.440 --> 00:52:09.079
boat race.

970
00:52:09.559 --> 00:52:11.480
Oh wait, so I can't, well, hold on, I've got

971
00:52:11.480 --> 00:52:13.719
the theatrical I've got the unrated one because mine is mine.

972
00:52:13.719 --> 00:52:16.679
Starts with the the Mojo boats, the cigarette boats.

973
00:52:16.840 --> 00:52:20.320
Yeah, so the theatrical version starts as soon as they're

974
00:52:20.320 --> 00:52:20.760
in the club.

975
00:52:20.800 --> 00:52:22.480
You're at the club, as soon as.

976
00:52:22.480 --> 00:52:24.760
Lincoln Park and Jay's East comes on. That's that's the

977
00:52:24.760 --> 00:52:28.119
beginning of the movie. And so I liked that there

978
00:52:28.320 --> 00:52:31.119
was the setup for that. There's a little bit longer

979
00:52:31.159 --> 00:52:32.440
stuff with Isabella.

980
00:52:32.519 --> 00:52:34.960
That's and I think, but well, yeah, but are we

981
00:52:35.880 --> 00:52:38.119
I mean, do you recommend it though you're giving us

982
00:52:38.119 --> 00:52:41.800
the breakdown between director's cutting theatrical? Is this a brad

983
00:52:41.840 --> 00:52:43.480
co going to recommend this one for us?

984
00:52:44.000 --> 00:52:48.599
I recommend it. But it's an acquired taste, just be

985
00:52:48.719 --> 00:52:50.960
ready for be ready.

986
00:52:51.079 --> 00:52:53.039
It's it's it's an amazing taste, like a like a

987
00:52:53.079 --> 00:52:54.039
Maccardi mohdo.

988
00:52:55.519 --> 00:52:58.840
Yeah, Cardi Mohdo gets a huge promotion in this movie.

989
00:52:59.119 --> 00:53:00.440
I mean he loves you know.

990
00:53:00.679 --> 00:53:05.440
Listen, in two thousand and six everyone started drinking mohdos.

991
00:53:07.000 --> 00:53:08.559
Brad you were, you were, you were, I was the

992
00:53:08.599 --> 00:53:11.760
greatest bart You and Tom Cruise are at the finals

993
00:53:11.440 --> 00:53:15.639
for for bartending. It's you versus Cocktail Cruise. So I

994
00:53:15.679 --> 00:53:18.559
know you made You've probably made thousands of mohitos. When

995
00:53:18.599 --> 00:53:20.559
this movie came out, don't. Don't tell me you didn't.

996
00:53:20.719 --> 00:53:27.400
But my recommendation, I resommend it, but with caution. All right,

997
00:53:27.440 --> 00:53:30.480
well my recommendation. Does it have the glamour and nostalgia

998
00:53:30.679 --> 00:53:34.199
of the eighties TV series, No, but it definitely takes

999
00:53:34.239 --> 00:53:37.559
the world and drops it into a much more realistic

1000
00:53:37.880 --> 00:53:41.360
and dangerous setting. You can rent this on streaming platforms

1001
00:53:41.400 --> 00:53:44.320
like Prime or Apple TV. I recommend owning this one

1002
00:53:44.360 --> 00:53:46.920
on DVD or Blu Ray, just like me and Brad do,

1003
00:53:47.280 --> 00:53:50.679
because the disc has some excellent behind the scenes features.

1004
00:53:51.079 --> 00:53:54.079
But that Michael Mann audio commentary is so good. I'm

1005
00:53:54.079 --> 00:53:57.480
telling you, the man is putting on a clinic in filmmaking.

1006
00:53:59.519 --> 00:54:01.920
Very good. Yeah, man, Yeah, that's another great one.

1007
00:54:02.199 --> 00:54:07.239
Now, what are your thoughts about this reboot now of

1008
00:54:07.519 --> 00:54:11.639
Let's Stay Yeah, any Vice franchise. We're hearing maybe but

1009
00:54:11.840 --> 00:54:15.960
not so maybe kind of rumors. I heard Michael B.

1010
00:54:16.119 --> 00:54:20.519
Jordan is a definite, Austin Butler is a maybe, but

1011
00:54:20.639 --> 00:54:22.000
a pretty hard maybe.

1012
00:54:22.840 --> 00:54:27.079
Okay, here's what I get. The rumor mill is churning

1013
00:54:27.119 --> 00:54:34.599
away what we know. Joseph Kasinski, who gave us Top Gun, Maverick,

1014
00:54:34.639 --> 00:54:38.159
he gave us tron ares f one gave it hu

1015
00:54:38.960 --> 00:54:42.519
F one one. I did F one. Yeah, great director.

1016
00:54:42.920 --> 00:54:46.440
Apparently he's behind this. He wants a period piece, he

1017
00:54:46.440 --> 00:54:49.800
wants it to take place in nineteen eighty five. I'm

1018
00:54:49.880 --> 00:54:55.440
all for that. And yes, Michael B. Jordan in serious

1019
00:54:55.679 --> 00:55:00.079
talks to play Rico Tubbs, which I'm all for. M

1020
00:55:00.800 --> 00:55:04.239
But I also you can you can easily talk me

1021
00:55:04.280 --> 00:55:09.800
into John David Washington or Leakeith Stanfield for Rico Tubbs.

1022
00:55:10.400 --> 00:55:11.719
I don't think there's a bad I don't think there's

1023
00:55:11.719 --> 00:55:15.840
a wrong choice anywhere there. And yeah, I've seen I've

1024
00:55:15.840 --> 00:55:18.800
seen the rumors, like they're talking about Austin Butler, but

1025
00:55:18.840 --> 00:55:21.320
they're also talking about Glenn Powell. And if I if

1026
00:55:21.360 --> 00:55:24.000
you're giving me my choice, we gotta go Glenn Powell.

1027
00:55:24.599 --> 00:55:26.440
I think Austin Butler just looks a little too young.

1028
00:55:26.480 --> 00:55:28.920
Still, what do you got for the major casting of

1029
00:55:28.960 --> 00:55:29.679
Heat Too.

1030
00:55:30.280 --> 00:55:33.119
Well, I mean, we know that DiCaprio is in it, we.

1031
00:55:33.039 --> 00:55:35.719
Know no one is signed on though no one signed.

1032
00:55:35.679 --> 00:55:38.199
Well, I'm just this is this is IMDb. This isn't

1033
00:55:38.239 --> 00:55:40.880
rumor stuff. But when you look it up, I heard

1034
00:55:40.880 --> 00:55:45.199
I heard Nicholas Cage is playing the Tom Noonan role.

1035
00:55:45.639 --> 00:55:48.400
You know, it's stuff's just out there, man, just out there.

1036
00:55:48.599 --> 00:55:51.119
I think you'd be better that the John Voight character.

1037
00:55:52.000 --> 00:55:56.079
Well, oh, don't know what. You're right, You're right, he

1038
00:55:56.239 --> 00:55:57.719
is the I'm sorry, I took that. I take that.

1039
00:55:57.760 --> 00:56:01.559
Let me take that back. I read that Cage is

1040
00:56:01.599 --> 00:56:06.760
doing the John Voight character Nate, and and they said

1041
00:56:06.760 --> 00:56:09.679
they got that. They thought was when you look at

1042
00:56:09.920 --> 00:56:13.960
John Voight playing Nick Cage's dad in National Treasure, it

1043
00:56:14.079 --> 00:56:20.639
just seemed to make sense. DiCaprio and Christian Bale allegedly

1044
00:56:20.679 --> 00:56:23.039
are signed on, but I don't know who's playing who,

1045
00:56:23.039 --> 00:56:24.440
because again that story.

1046
00:56:24.159 --> 00:56:26.760
And that's only two, and we need three main ones.

1047
00:56:27.400 --> 00:56:30.800
Yeah, because I would like Austin Butler as christ Hillis.

1048
00:56:31.079 --> 00:56:34.440
I've been saying that for a while because what I

1049
00:56:34.480 --> 00:56:37.239
did read of Heat two, Chris has a big part,

1050
00:56:38.079 --> 00:56:39.559
so they're going to need somebody.

1051
00:56:39.599 --> 00:56:43.360
But all right, you've you've done your damnest to turn

1052
00:56:43.400 --> 00:56:46.480
this into a Heat episode. I'm gonna stop you now.

1053
00:56:47.239 --> 00:56:50.719
Next time on a Film by Brad, we will be

1054
00:56:50.760 --> 00:56:54.199
talking about Michael Mann's two thousand and one biopic Ali,

1055
00:56:55.039 --> 00:56:58.639
which is celebrating his twenty fifth anniversary this year. Listeners,

1056
00:56:58.639 --> 00:57:01.360
if you've seen it, how would you summer it's using

1057
00:57:01.480 --> 00:57:04.239
exactly five words. You can go to a film by

1058
00:57:04.239 --> 00:57:06.159
podcast dot com to give us your answer. You can

1059
00:57:06.199 --> 00:57:09.360
email us at a film by Podcast at gmail dot com.

1060
00:57:10.159 --> 00:57:12.920
Check us out here, you know on YouTube if you're

1061
00:57:13.039 --> 00:57:15.800
if you're listening or watching us on YouTube, if we

1062
00:57:15.960 --> 00:57:19.119
use your five words synopsis on the show, we'll shout

1063
00:57:19.159 --> 00:57:20.760
you out on the episode and we'll give you some

1064
00:57:20.800 --> 00:57:25.119
a film by swag. Please join us on social media.

1065
00:57:25.159 --> 00:57:26.800
You can, Like I said, you can find us on YouTube.

1066
00:57:26.800 --> 00:57:30.800
Brad it is YouTube is. We're getting bigger there, having

1067
00:57:30.800 --> 00:57:33.840
a lot of fun subscribed. Yeah, I'm having a lot

1068
00:57:33.880 --> 00:57:36.800
of fun going back and forth with people dropping comments.

1069
00:57:38.519 --> 00:57:41.079
But we've there's some fun stuff happening there. Check us

1070
00:57:41.119 --> 00:57:44.280
out there. You can also find us on Instagram, Facebook,

1071
00:57:44.320 --> 00:57:47.760
and X. As I said, we love interacting with you guys,

1072
00:57:48.239 --> 00:57:52.079
sharing your opinions, taking your requests for future episodes, definitely

1073
00:57:52.079 --> 00:57:54.960
debating some good movies and TV shows people have been

1074
00:57:55.280 --> 00:57:58.760
I've noticed on YouTube people are a lot more direct,

1075
00:57:58.920 --> 00:58:01.880
They're a lot more telling you like it is and

1076
00:58:02.159 --> 00:58:05.840
maybe they're not expecting me to comment back, but but

1077
00:58:05.920 --> 00:58:10.159
it's been fun, so I will say that, Brad. You

1078
00:58:10.280 --> 00:58:13.679
got something new happening this year. You came back season seven,

1079
00:58:13.679 --> 00:58:17.559
the Returning to Brad Kozo. Last month, you you did

1080
00:58:17.559 --> 00:58:21.679
this awesome limited series, a script by and you talked

1081
00:58:21.719 --> 00:58:25.480
about Chinatown with our friend Chuck Bryan from the Cinematic

1082
00:58:25.480 --> 00:58:28.480
Flashback podcast. We're gonna get another one of these this month.

1083
00:58:28.480 --> 00:58:32.079
Oh yeah, we're gonna do We're gonna do twelve call down,

1084
00:58:32.159 --> 00:58:34.360
you know, one a month. I believe we're releasing him

1085
00:58:34.639 --> 00:58:37.880
the last week of each month. But yeah, China Town

1086
00:58:37.960 --> 00:58:41.320
is in the Canchruck was great. It was great for somebody.

1087
00:58:41.400 --> 00:58:44.119
He almost finished my sentence if when once you heard

1088
00:58:44.159 --> 00:58:48.000
it a lot of the times, but it was I

1089
00:58:48.039 --> 00:58:50.960
was very nervous doing it, but I got through it,

1090
00:58:51.079 --> 00:58:54.119
and it's out there, and I'm glad that it's out there,

1091
00:58:54.159 --> 00:58:56.079
and I'm very proud of it. And I'm very proud

1092
00:58:56.119 --> 00:59:00.639
to be doing a script by William Goldman witchcasting this

1093
00:59:00.719 --> 00:59:03.800
and Dance Kid. So I've got some reading to do,

1094
00:59:03.960 --> 00:59:07.000
I've got some movies to watch and some uh, some

1095
00:59:07.159 --> 00:59:08.000
notes to take.

1096
00:59:08.599 --> 00:59:12.480
I'm excited, uh and I got I talked to Chuck

1097
00:59:12.840 --> 00:59:16.320
after that episode dropped. That's whim I said, listen the

1098
00:59:16.360 --> 00:59:19.559
Cinematic Flashback Podcast. What you're doing, you and matter are

1099
00:59:19.559 --> 00:59:23.480
doing is fantastic. Uh, Brad has always been amazing for

1100
00:59:23.519 --> 00:59:26.920
a film buy. But if I could just have a

1101
00:59:27.360 --> 00:59:31.480
a weekly series of Brad and Chuck talking about seventies movies,

1102
00:59:32.360 --> 00:59:34.119
sign me up? I would. I would listen to that

1103
00:59:35.079 --> 00:59:36.760
every every I'd listen to it every day if I could.

1104
00:59:36.800 --> 00:59:38.559
You guys were, yeah, I couldn't.

1105
00:59:38.840 --> 00:59:41.920
I was looking through his episodes today and I was

1106
00:59:42.039 --> 00:59:44.119
seeing some of the ones he does, and he's done

1107
00:59:44.199 --> 00:59:45.159
some deep ones.

1108
00:59:45.719 --> 00:59:47.679
Oh yeah, you did that one already.

1109
00:59:48.000 --> 00:59:49.400
You know, maybe I could be one. But it was like,

1110
00:59:49.440 --> 00:59:52.119
oh would.

1111
00:59:51.440 --> 00:59:54.400
Yeah, listeners, if you haven't checked out the Cinematic Flashback Podcast,

1112
00:59:54.440 --> 00:59:56.880
you gotta you gotta hit him up. The great they're

1113
00:59:57.000 --> 01:00:00.519
they primarily or I shouldn't say prime. They only discuss

1114
01:00:01.000 --> 01:00:07.679
nineteen seventies cinema, and man, I'm rediscovering movies Brad because

1115
01:00:07.719 --> 01:00:09.440
of their show. I'm like, man, I haven't seen that

1116
01:00:09.440 --> 01:00:12.199
since I was like twenty, you know, I'm got to

1117
01:00:12.199 --> 01:00:14.199
go back. And then there's some I'm like, I've never

1118
01:00:14.199 --> 01:00:16.159
heard of that movie. I'm gonna go watch it. So

1119
01:00:17.000 --> 01:00:20.000
definitely great, great, great stuff. Tell you what else is

1120
01:00:20.039 --> 01:00:25.079
great Our listeners, You know, all of you listening right now,

1121
01:00:26.039 --> 01:00:30.440
Following us on social media, subscribing to our YouTube channel,

1122
01:00:30.639 --> 01:00:34.679
and definitely our Patreon subscribers, where they're getting all the limited,

1123
01:00:35.480 --> 01:00:38.400
the exclusive stuff that we don't drop here on the

1124
01:00:38.400 --> 01:00:40.639
normal show. Did I say we thank you?

1125
01:00:40.920 --> 01:00:41.239
Thank you,