1996: Jerry Maguire

0:01 These are the movies of nineteen ninety six. What's up, everybody. I'm Jeff Johnson with a film by podcast, and I'm hoping you're down for this dope series. We've broken down the fresh films of nineteen eighty six. We examined the gritty cinemascape of nineteen seventy six. Now it's time to check out the hella good flicks of nineteen ninety six. There are very few people engaging enough to make me stand up, follow them and walk out on my job and financial security. But Andy Frye is probably one of them.

0:45 He's the author of my most recent favorite novel, ninety Days in the Nineties, and he's back with us today. Hello. Andy, Hey, how's it going, Jeff? It's going great, man. Listen, you're no stranger to the sports world and interviewing some big names in sports. When we talk about the best receivers in the NFL in the nineties, who comes to mind. Well, obviously I think Randy Moss is one of them. It's weird. There's a couple of wide receivers that straddled a couple of decades. Technically, I think of some of the forty nine ers and Randy Moss obviously, and yeah, towards the endto and he was with the Eagles. I can't that's for him being a cowboy or anything, since I grew up a Philly fan. But you know, it's weird because everybody, because I write about sports, everybody will about the time of the year, or maybe about a month ago, say, yo, who should I pick is my fantasy quarterbacker? Who should I pick him? Like, dude, you know probably as much as I do. And there's no trade secrets in fantasy football. But in the nineties, I don't know. I guess Randy Moss is one of the ones that had the bravado. He had the skills. I mean here legendarily a You're in Ohio, so he may have remembered him being the best athlete to come out of West Virginia, one of your neighboring states. You know, he was superhuman and surreal to watch, and you know, got in a little trouble for the law with not too much. I think he was kind of the complete package for the nineties. If you want to break down what the nineties was.

2:11 About, Randy Moss is one of the all times greats. But for me, it's only one name, the best kept secret in the NFL, the most commanding wide receiver in the game. He was fast, fierce, and wildly charismatic. He was the man, and his name was Rod Tidwell and Andy. If we're talking about Rod Tidwell, then we must be talking about Jerry McGuire. On December thirteenth, my imagination on Din we arrive in a limo. Tom Cruise is sports agent Jerry McGuire. What can I do for you? Rod? What can I do for you? Show me the money? Time, show me the money. Congratulations, She's still my agent? Jerry McGuire rated r OH. When sports agent Jerry maguire is fired for expressing his moral epiphany, he puts his new philosophy to the test with the only athlete willing to give him a chance and the only woman willing to believe in the man he aspires to be. Did you happen to see this in the theater?

3:22 Like? Do you remember going to see this in ninety six out in the theaters? I'm pretty sure that I did, because I do remember the first time I watched it well, on what we used to call home video, I was with the second time I watched. It was with my parents in Santa bl Florida, and it was long enough that I forgot about the kind of not the opening scene, but the sort of the sex scene where they're getting it on, and my sister's background, who is like ten years old. I think my mom rushed to kind of cover horizon ears during that thirty seconds, So it wasn't all about you know, explosions and save in the world. And I think that's one of the things that Jery McGuire did well and made me want to see it in the theater, you know, so kind of felt like live sports a little bit too, you know, just end that asset.

4:03 Well speak about explosions. Jeremmguire goes head to head with Tim Burton's Mars Attacks, takes the number one spot at the box office and ends up taking two hundred and seventy three point five million dollars on a budget of fifty million dollars, the ninth top grossing film with nineteen ninety six. And this was Cruse's fifth consecutive one hundred million dollar movies, so he can do no wrong at this point, right. Yeah, It's generally praise across the board. Audiences give this film a Cinema score of A. Critics were all in on jeremcguire, citing its dazzling performances, cynical to heartwarming storytelling, and Crow's precision direction of romance and sports.

4:47 Nominated for five Academy Awards Best Picture, Best Actor for Cruise, Best Supporting Actor for Kooba Goodding Junior, Best Screenplay for Cameron Crowe, and Best Editing for Joe Hushting. It's a good year for for Jerrem McGuire in nineteen ninety six. Yeah, you know, it's sprung at least in the public consciousness. Renee Zellweger, who is you know, in the last decade one what two Oscars and you know we've talked a little bit about Days Confused before. It's one of my favorite movies, not just from the ninety's but in general. And I finally, after like the fifty fifth time I watching it, caught Renee Zellweger in that film. For a split second, I was like, there she is, yep, But I remember, yeah, seeing Jere McGuire, and it is. Renee Zellwegger was one of those you know, she definitely has the looks and the ability to dazzle, but they presented her as this pretty down to earth major character in a film that I think Juck's supposed against sort of the glamorous hot shot played by Tom Cruise. And I don't know. I mean, I I guess in my mind I remembered falsely her getting an Oscar nomination, but if she didn't, she should have. I don't know what you think.

5:58 About that, Okay, we'll get Yeah, I definitely got some stuff on Zelwegger here. Let's talk about camer Crow for a minute. He's he's spends three and a half years writing this script. Initially he's writing it for Tom Hanks and went on a writer. What do you think about that kind of paring? You think that that. Works at any point in Hollywood, whether it's the eighties, the nineties, two thousands, Hanks and writer in these roles. Not in these roles, maybe on Stranger Things or something like that, but yet not definitely. I mean, I think he nailed it with Jerry Maguire being played by Tom Cruise, because even even you know, the people who maybe or movie watchers who don't like Tom Cruise thinks he's too famous, too flashy, gets paid too much he really nails this role.

6:43 He's perfect for it. I don't think. Yeah, I grew up in the age of the eighties when I still have that first view of Tom Hanks's on Buzzom Buddies as he played Buffy or Hill the Guard, which one. Yeah, Kip, who was Buffy? I think Kip? Yeah? So, uh, you know, I tell he heard that he evolved from that? And is it house house Party? What was the one where it's like, it's like a fraternity house movie with Tom Hanks. You I'm talking about, Uh, you're not talking about bachelor party, are you? What? You're not talking about bachelor party? Are you? That's what I think, That's what I'm talking about. Yeah, and then moving on to him playing Forrest Gump and people took him seriously as an actor. I just don't think he is the flash and the sort of He can't really play the superficial characters that Tom Hanks can play.

7:38 So yeah, I think in no way there's Hanks and Ryder would fit into this movie. If they did, it would it would have been maybe a well written flop. I think I like the idea. So he takes inspiration from two two real life things here So the film is inspired by sports agent Lee Steinberg, who represented a record eight number one draft picks in the NFL over his entire career of like three hundred athletes. And then it's also partly inspired by a twenty eight page memo written by Jeffrey Katzenberg in nineteen ninety one when he left Disney. I would love to get that's gotta be online, right, I'd love to get my hands on that and just see what the genesis of Jem McGuire is and Jeffre Katzenberg.

8:26 Probably Yeah, if you can find any you probably find anything in the internet these days. Yeah. And let's let's talk contracts. So Rod Tidwell has an offer on the on the table from Arizona. He gets, he gets faxed over. I did. I did look this up, because, like you said, you can find about anything on the internet. So Rod's three year deal that he rejects, you're one of two four hundred and fifty thousand dollars, year three, six hundred thousand dollars. It also states a signing bonus of three hundred thousand dollars initial cash bonus pro rated over the length of the contract, and incentives of fifteen thousand dollars for being a Pro Bowl Alternate, twenty five thousand dollars for being a Pro Bowl original ballot, and fifty thousand if the team qualifies for the playoffs. So the total value of his three year contract is one point seventy nine million dollars in nineteen ninety six for a for an upper tier wide receiver. That's that's that's a chump change, right.

9:28 Well, it's it's I remember when the big news around it out of the time. Must must have been a couple of years earlier. I don't remember what year that Troy Aikman got his five I think it was a five million dollars a year contract from a like for multiple years. Now we can't even fathom, you know, I don't know a second rate, you know, tight end coming off injury getting that little amount of money. So the economics of sports, I'm no expert, but it was different back then. I think for how he was portrayed in the beginning of the film as this, you know, kind of workhorse, but not a spectacular athlete. Uh, you know, five foot ten, a little bit of a little bit of attitude, take or leave it, playing from shrimp right, what was a mediocre team in the NFC at the time.

10:13 I don't think. I don't think it was too far off. So uh real, well, I mean think like the think about where we're at now. You know, Jerry Jones just gave Ceedee Lamb one hundred and thirty six million dollars for four years and Rod's only getting Rod's not even getting two million for three years. You know, I don't know. I feel like I feel like they could have. I think I think they're I think they're stiffen Rod here a little bit. Yeah, but he wasn't. No Randy Moles. I mean I think, yeah, maybe he's a little bit. But I guess I have to have to look at spot track to see, uh, you know what the what the salaries are for the top you know, ten wide receivers. But also forget we also forget that. Okay, in at least in the mid nineties, running backs are still part of the game. It wasn't all about past past, and I think we've evolved to this thing where more passing is better. And I think if it was allowed by the rules, teams would remove the running backs and have just another receiver out there.

11:05 And you know that that we would eliminate that position because it seems like passes and catches create revenue. And you know, I think about some of the best players I've ever witnessed, like Walter Payton and Barry Sanders, like they were running backs. So I guess maybe I'm a little more geared towards the way things were. I don't know in the twentieth century, but yeah, I don't think that they were too far off. But you know, it was the story had to be in the film that he was had a lot of potential, hadn't really quite his stride, or if he did, he wasn't getting definitely wasn't getting noticed for the amount of work, the amount of catches he was putting in, because the Arizona Cardinals in that movie had not yet made the playoffs in what twenty four to twenty two years whatever it was.

11:45 So it's a new game. When you win the game, you know, on a touchdown, put your put your team within one game, clinching the first playoff in a fourth century, then you can talk money, you know, talk about showing me the money. That's that's where the money starts to us. Yeah, I think about that. The Arizona Cardinals Dallas Cowboys game featuring Rod's big touchdown after that scary hit was actually a Monday night football game played on December twenty fifth, the year before nineteen ninety five. And while the Cardinals do win in Jerem McGuire, in real life, the Cowboys put a hurt on them thirty seven thirteen. Love. I love. I love the fact that they're using real, real sports teams, you know, I mean, don't get me wrong, I love I love football movies where you know, it's like any given Sunday maybe where we got the Sharks instead of the Dolphins, and you know, the NFL is just not going to sign off on some of these plots, right.

12:39 The Browns actually go to the Super Bowl? Yeah, exactly, that's absolute fantasy. But I do, I do appreciate the fact that we're talking real NFL football teams, real NFL football games. I think that, like you mentioned, like the believability of this movie earlier, I think that definitely builds on it. Yeah. I think that there's the Cameron Crow don't I obviously never talked to him, don't know him, but it seems like and this is I think it as a person, you know, writer. I was in the business world for twenty plus years. I think that people who have interacted different types of businesses, whether it's film or you know, selling bricks or whatever, know how important relationships are. So, you know, camera cra obviously had a name at that point for singles and some of the other things he had done. Had not done a ton at that point, but somehow, you know, got buying in from the NFL.

13:27 And obviously if you got you know, Troy Aikman, who's this, you know, the quarterback of that error not only showing up in the movie given a line you know, off of the script towards the end of movies that that some of its money. So it's fifty million dollar budget, which doesn't sound like a lot today but was pretty big back then. There had to be some some a lot of relationship building and a lot of thinking outside the box to make that happen. Versus We're just going to make a football movie and yeah, it's going to be the the Sharks versus the bull Weavils, and we're going to just accept falsely that their NFL teams, you know, expand and teams or whatever. Uh, they did a really great job of making it real. And I think in order to pull the film off and have us believe that this sports agent jere McGuire existed and persistence with this cutthroat environment, you needed to really paint the full picture.

14:15 You couldn't just fake it. So I think that's you know, props to him for whatever he did, whatever he goes, he stroked. You get people in the NFL to be a part of this versus just you know, license a couple of logos, I think is huge. Yeah, well, you know talking about license. Uh. So there's a pretty interesting story. So there's some controversy with Jerem McGuire. Did uh did you read about this old this whole situation with Reebok? Uh? Yeah, Reebok. I mean obviously if they you know, wanted to be in it and said a Nike, you got to take the good with the bad. So I remember years ago reading a bit about it. But I want to know what, like, what updates were we talking about here? What's the so? So apparently the studio makes a deal with Reebok and the plan is that there's gonna be an actual rebox commercial cut into the movie, whether it's one of Jerry's clients or something, we're gonna see an actual Rebok ad.

15:13 And it was supposed to be this marriage between television or you know, television commercials and film camera. Crow's not having it. So Reebok gives all this money to the studio and then they go to the theater and they see you know, Buck Reebok, you know, and they don't see their commercial and they are pissed. There's lawsuits getting thrown around, and ultimately the settlement is that when you see this on television, it's the commercials already. It's like it's baked in now, and on the DVD it's it's like a bonus feature. But I say, I've seen it as a bonus extra. I remember seeing it after probably that second time I watched and thinking, oh, there it is great. I love this. But I don't know why it was that would have been such a big deal to play. I mean, I felt like it should have been in there because it was you know again that makes it more real, But you know, who knows.

16:01 I think it would have worked, like especially if Kush is getting the Rebok ad and Rod Tidball's not. Then Tidwell's statement, you know, it's it's true to character, right, But I, uh, I don't know. I thought that was that was pretty ballsy from from the whe whether it was camer Crow, whether it's the studio. I thought that's kind of ballsy that they would they'd kind of go back on their deal like that, take the money and then and then not do it. So yeah, the nineties weren't really a great decade for Reebok. I mean, they figured they got dissed by the ninety two Dream Team with Jordan wearing the flag over the Reebok logo, Shack shoe was not particularly popular, and then Shack decided to bail because he felt guilty about his shoe not being affordable to uh to everyday kid. So yeah, I don't know. I owned I once on a pair of rebox and they fell apart in a couple of weeks.

16:46 So I don't know. Maybe it's karma. Hopefully hopefully they're better now. Reebuck don't sue me, but yeah. Yeah, please Rebok, do not sue Andy or this show. So fun. Fact, here one of the iconic lines in this film, you complete me. It's been said millions of times, it's been paraphrase. It's been ridiculed. Renee Zelweger not the only character to say this in a blockbuster film, was also said by Tony Stark and iron Man two and The Joker in the Dark Knight. How about that? Yeah, Andy, let's get more into your wheelhouse. We gotta talk about this film soundtrack. So Nancy Wilson, who was Crow's wife at the time, she scores the film. She contributes two songs to a soundtrack that includes the Who, Neil Young, Elvis Presley, Paul McCartney, and Bob Dylan. Is this one of the greatest nineties soundtracks to not feature a nineties band or artist?

17:55 Well, again, this is probably all right, So I give have the credit to Nancy Wilson. But yeah, I think this is the relationship building and the kind of the big picture attitude because it could have been you know, like we were talking about with Biodome several months ago. You just pick off a couple of trendy bands, whether they're singing whatever single they have about now, that's kind of the way a lot of sort of there were a lot of great soundtracks in the nineties, even for bad movies, but there are also a lot of it kind of became a cottage industry where it's just like, okay, tripping Daisy has a song, the verb has a song, no doubt has a song and stuck on their album. Let's just throw it out there. This obviously was thought through, and this is this is the Baby Boomers soundtrack. I mean, who Neil Young, Lee Jones, come on, Paul McCartney, Amy Mann is Amy Man's like the most edgy.

18:42 Love the Amy Man song. Yeah, not the most edgye but the one that's a little bit outside the box. And I'm not sure about much about his name is alive, but I mean there's even an Elvis Elvis one on the on the the list that I'm seeing here, so yeah, it's uh, I don't know, it's kind of was not built for the I guess the lockstep you know, market tested soundtrack buyer in the nineties. But Cameron Crowe being a huge music fan, I mean, he just probably had a vision for how he wanted to do this, so obviously for you know, for some of. Us, well, I mean, if not camer Crow, Like when I think directors that that build a movie around a soundtrack, it's Camra Crow and it's Quentin Tarantino. I think they do the best work when it comes to soundtracks, like you compiling classic music or you know, classic rock songs.

19:34 What be that as it may. And let's be honest, like if you're going to the store, if you're going to you know, Record Town or you know Virgin in nineteen ninety six to buy this, you're buying it because of Bruce Springsteen, right, Secret Garden probably? Yeah, Yeah, But I also think it played well with the crowd. But it's sort of you know, who was running society at the time. I guess it's it was I mean, first once we talked about gen X and Nirvana in the nineties, really the people running I mean Bill Clinton was running the White House. He has a baby boomer who was on TV, Jerry Seinfeld, you know, Michael Jordan. So I think it kind of plays more to that generation. But I would say that Tarantino really creates a sound for his movies. And you think about you just if you know anything about help fiction watching more than what you immediately associate Dick Dale and Link Ray and a lot of that sort of late fifties. Yeah, that's surf rock, car rock with not just the soundtrack but like what was playing in the movie, I think there's a little bit less of that here. This kind of also sounds to me like maybe what a guy like Jerry Maguire would listen to in the car when he's trying to decompress after you know, knocking heads with other sports agents. You know, pro athletes, people with egos probably would need to put on some sprink scene and some Neil Young and Riku Lee Jones just to cope through the day. So I feel like it's that's the utility of this.

20:52 Speaking of Tom Cruise decompressing in the car, Andy, how many people are leaving Sam Goodie with their their soundtrack and just getting pissed when they realized that Tom Tom Petty's free falling is not on the soundtrack? How do you do that? Like what I mean, that's one of the funniest scenes in the movie. It's one of the more memorable scenes. And you know, we get it. Well, I mean Tom Patty was that's also when he hit a stride. I'm sure that you know, people have to understand that there's a budget that they pay for songs. I mean sort of. The the big lift was with Days Confused, which I think came at ninety three that the that link later spent the most money on the first two minutes of the film.

21:35 They're playing sweet Emotion. Yeah, I think I remember what the price tagle was. It was some five figure number that they had to pay Ellen Aroospens just a license for that two minutes. So obviously, if you're playing free Falling in the middle of the nineties by Tom Patty, who's gone from sort of Beach Boys acolyte to major star selling at stadiums, you're gonna pay for that song. So sorry, signed on the soundtrack, but yeah, you know you can buy it on CD and the steaming happens in the two thousands, you can. You can fight it together on Spotify. Go buy Full Moon Fever, right, it's I think that's like the first track on that on his album there. But I do want to talk about this cast. We got some principle we got some principal roles, we got some supporting players. I'm not even gonna try. I mean, there's like fifty different people came on as himself, so I'm just gonna skip that. But let's start with the principal roles. We got Tom Cruise as Jerry Maguire. Obviously, as we said, it's written for Tom Hanks, Crow feels he's too old by the time he gets around to making the movie. It's then offered to Woody Harrelson, who turns it down and famously tells producers nobody is going to give a shit about an agent. Woody, dude, you gotta wonder, like, like, how what the trajectory of his film career is if he takes this in nineteen ninety six, and like where does he end up? You know what?

22:54 You want to be right for this role, though, because I think even even if you have what he fail out, how Woody Harrison playing what he played the nineties as a serial killer or kind of an unsung hero, he does it with a lot more laid back approach to I've heard that Mardy Harrelson is actually not that much laid backy, despite how much weedy smokes and what he plays on the screen. But yeah, I don't think he's type A enough and you know, slick enough really even back then to pull off this role. I think it was really if it wasn't tailor made for Tom Cruise, I still have a hard time believing that because I think it's just such a natural fit. Yeah. Well, you know, like we said, five nominations for this movie. Tom does not win the Oscar, but he does win the Golden Globe for Best Actor in a Musical or Comedy, and he gets a prestigious MTV Movie Award for Best Male Performance because you got remember that in the nineties, the MTV Movie Awards. That's where we were at, right, that's we loved it.

23:49 But I remember seeing that when they interviewed Tom Cruise and he was he was I think he was in London and he was talking about all the band So I'm in London, home of oasismally from Manchester. He was definitely riding high on the music of the nineties in the middle of the thing, and uh, you know, look like he just had his hair perfectly coffed. So yeah, don't remember what. I don't remember what he was shooting in London, if it was a Minority Reporter AI or what it was. But I think I think he was doing it were busy at the Cuber. I think he was doing the Kubrick movie. Oh shut, okay, that makes sense, Yeah, okay. You said this was tailor made for him? Would you say this is one of his best roles.

24:30 Yeah, I think so. I mean, I'm not a Tom Cruise super fan by any any means, but I think I mean, yeah, it got to be a toss of between that and Tropic thunder I suppose, but. Less Grossman Dropic thunder Man. If they they could do a movie about that character, I think it would kill I think it would just crush the box office. Yeah, I want to see a spin off just about that. Yeah, give us multi Harry Harry knuckle dumb megalo mania. What made him back like that? But yeah, back to I mean, yeah, I think it's definitely there's with Cruise playing Jerry Maguire, there's this, there's this. You know. They keep mentioning the movie that the character doesn't like to be alone, but he's forced to kind of work through his his superficial veneer that he's had just as a part of his career, that he almost adopted his as a second personality. Was really forced into kind of authentic situations, so people aren't glamorous, Like I think he moves in with with you know, his girlfriend who became his wife, Dorothy Boyd, Like he's not in the glamorous situation and he's haven't you could tell, having a hard time changing lanes, I guess, and I think that there's maybe I'm reading too much into it.

25:41 There's just some nuanced, you know, kind of I guess, some nonverbals and facial expressions and ways that Tom Cruise said certain things, certain things, or maybe it was just edited really well that I think bring that out almost like he's brought kicking and screaming into the real the real world outside and you're getting pulled out of the glamorous world where it's just money and photo ops and you know, name dropping. I think that that he just played that really well, and again maybe got help from the editors of the film, but it just was really pulled off really well. I think he deserved it all the accolades he got, for sure. I agree. Let's take a quick break and when we get back we'll keep talking casts. Welcome back. We have Andy Frye with us, author of ninety Days in the nineties.

26:32 We are talking about Jerry Maguire. Andy, let's talk about rod Tidwell, Cuba Gooding Junior. So I was fascinated by this before Cuba Lands, the role Damon Wayans was considered, and you remember he played Jimmy Dixon The Last Boy Scout in nineteen ninety one. Yeah, Jimmy Fox auditioned and was turned down. Jamie Fox did, Jamie Fox did. But you know three years in nineteen ninety nine, he he'll become Steaphen Willie Beaman in any given Sunday. So he's doing okay too real quick, not to get off topic, but in nineteen ninety six, Andy, uh, who you drafting? You need? You need a QB for your your fantasy football team. Who are you drafting? Are you drafting Jimmy Dix? Are you drafting?

27:15 Uh? Stem and Willie Beaman. Probably say Dix. But you know, I thought you were gonna ask me about a real, real quarterback because I was like, back there. But it's the movies, man. But I don't try to draft nine or ninety. I don't remember now. Yeah, I think Dix. You know it's weird that you mentioned I totally forgot about Damon Wayns because so you know, whenever I talk about music in the nineties, there's these little caveats and same thing with TV, Like I remind my friends who are old as me, like do you remember in nineteen ninety that the biggest hard rock band in the world that was not Comeson Roses was Living Color, and like, oh yeah, I remember that band. I have older albums or that Damon Wayans was.

27:55 He was the premiere stand up comic at the time. I remember this. I think when HBO or Showtime that kept getting played in perpetuity, and you know, sn L and Different and Mad TV and different programs were like kind of lampooning kind of the slick character. And I think in the Nutty Professor, when you have Dave Chappelle playing that kind of a whole stand up I think a little bit of that was Damon Wayns from the early nineties, just kind of a crazy, yeah, interesting take, little glamorous, a little bit more of a kind of a dowdy version of him. But now they bring it up like, actually, Damon Wayns, not to take away from Cube a good junior, but in terms of like the way that they look, I don't know. I think Damon Wayne's is he's a little more handsome, he's a little bit more he's a little taller. It's definitely more headline at the time, although Cuban Goodting Junior did a great child Boys in the Hood, and maybe camer Cro wanted a kind of a more upcoming actor. You never know what happens with the screen test and the auditions, but either either one could have worked. But we got the Oscar, so I.

28:57 Guess yeah he does. He does win the Oscar for Best Supporting Actor. He beats out William H. Bacy in Fargo, Arma, Mueller, Stalensheine, Edward Norton in Primal Fear, and James Woods and goes to Mississippi, maybe has one of the more memorable Oscar accepted speeches, and the Oscar goes to. Cuba. Gooding Junior job. I know I have a little bit of time, so I'm gonna rush and say everybody and you cut away. I won't be mad at you. Tom said, don't forget to thank your wife. I will never forget to thank my high school sweetheart and the mother of my children, Spencer and Mason. God, I love you, hallelujah.

29:40 Thank you fatherly God for putting. Me through what you put me through. But I'm here and I'm happy. I just wanna, oh, here we go, Okay, I'm the studio. I love you and Cameron Crowe and Tom Cruise. I love your brother. It's hard. He's basically rob Tidwall, wasn't he He. Was basically robbed Tidwell. But yeah, you gotta appreciate. I mean, he's putting a smile on everyone's face. You know, the band has tried to play him off for like the second time, and then the standing ovation happens. Steve Martin jumps up, Goldie Hawn a bunch of other people. It's just it's just fun to watch too. I mean, he is clearly just having a moment, and I think that's one of my I think it's one of the better acceptance speeches, especially when they're they're trying to kick him off the stage and he's just you know, doing backflips and having at having a great time.

30:27 Yeah. I think the whole thing points the whole like attitude of the nineties. In fact, you have you know Edward Norton, first role nominated for the Oscar. You know this kid he just walks on from Yale to kind of you know, he's I don't even think he studied drama fullio at Yale, but gets the part and just impacts us. And you know, it's like this. Uh yeah, it's kind of like a almost like an indie di y you know, William William H. Macy not you know, he's been around the block, but he's not a super glamorous sort of character actor also cut from the the indie cloth, you know, provided by the Cohen Brothers. It just kind of speaks to what the attitude was in the nineties and that sort of what we valued, I guess m h.

31:10 And then well, yeah, I mean when you look who's going up against that, I think he's I think he's the clear cut winner with with Norton, maybe a very close runner up because Norton in Primal Fears is amazing, is amazing, But I don't know, I got I gotta give it to Kuba, I think. Yep. Let's talk Renee Zellweger. Yeah, every actress from Patricia Arquette to Jennifer Lopez is considered for this role of Dorothy Boyd. Janine Garoffalo comes very close to landing it, and there's conflicting stories. One one report says ultimately the studio decided that she was too old, you know, the whole Tom Hanks story. And then there's another one where they said Hey, if she can lose some weight, she's got it. And then she goes and loses some weight, and then by the time she comes back, the Renee Zellwegger has the job.

32:02 So I don't know how I feel about any of those, you know, any of the choices that we're talking about. But the final selection came down to Renee Zellweger and Connie Britton of Friday Night Lights name Friday Night Light's fame. You know, she does Brothers McMullen with Edward Burns, and Burns is the one that recommends her to Cameron Crow. So I don't know, I could totally see Connie Britten in this role. What about you. You know, it's weird because I think I maybe that's the way I love Connie Brittain. Now, the roles she played, she seems a little bit too I want this to come up a little bit too mature for that role. With Dorothy Boyd, you have this strikingly beautiful woman who's also you know, she's in a place in her life where she lost her husband. She's a single mom. Definitely nothing kind of eighties and ninety glamorous about that, and I think that was important to the character more than the role, and so you have Renee Zellweger who kind of checks off those dots. She could be humble, be strikingly beautiful, be articulate, and sense and I think the sense of an emotional piece of it was really the larger piece that probably made the character so strong, especially with Jerry McGuire's a character trying trying not to be that, and then Avery has you know, fiance breaks up of them as as a complete opposite, you know, glamorous, beautiful, almost cunning and cutthroat and doesn't have a shred of empathy for what Jerry's going through. The character that he ends up with has to be the complete opposite of that, and I don't think, Yeah, I kind of feel like

33:32 there must have been something that Renee Zellweger had done during an audition to screen tests that displayed that emotion, because I feel like it's the richest part of her character. It's not that, Yeah, the lines are great, you complete me, I had you at Hello. There's a bunch of them in that movie, actually, But it's really the emotional connection that I think the audience has with her as a character who could be doing anything, anything, else going for any other guy. But there's something kind of innate that she's that's a part of her personality makes her connect with Jerry Wuire more more, not just because he's a handsome hunk and she respects his work or is our artistry or whatever it is, that there's really an emotional connection that comes from her and changes that changes everybody in the movie.

34:14 I think, I just wonder how close she comes to not getting this because she does audition three times with Cruise for this, and they kind of play the waiting game with her. Like I said, I could see, I could see some of these other actresses that we talked, we're talking about maybe doing the role. I just wonder would they have been as as charming as sweet as rene Z Alwegger. I totally buy her being the widow, you know, mother, you know, trying to make it as a single mom struggling living with her sister because that's that's what you gotta do. I don't know, yeah, I don't. I get to see Jennie Garofflod do stand up back in the spring, maybe like March April this year, and it was it's kind of like a you know, homecoming nineties homecoming for me because I remember seeing her on MTV and in different movies and stuff. I think she's just a little bit too for that role. A little bit too cynical in a good way, a little bit too starky. I don't see Darthy Boyd going out and having a cigarette break and you know, wear no you know, a sweatshirt that hasn't been washed in seven months. It's just kind of Genia Garoffel actually joked about apparently she is this thing where when she goes out to have a smoke, so she kind of likes to stand by the trash can and I guess, ash your cigarette. So people what she said was consume her is like she's homeless, Like, oh, you shouldn't have to do handing or change. She's like, I'm not homeless, and then they'll recognize her. And I think that's kind of fun. That's like totally Genie Graffel, like, you know, ho hum me at people mistake me for

35:44 a homeless person. I'm just trying to have a smoke. Definitely a different type of character than Darthy Boyd. And And like I just also saw Roman Michelle's high school reunion. She basically plays that character as kind of a smart you know, the like the the girl that they graduate with who's working at the store, and it's just, you know, from ten to five doesn't really want to be there. I don't think that that that's kind of her stick and I don't think that that is a natural fit for the character in Jery Maguire. That's just my perview. Well, I don't I don't see that. I don't really see chemistry between her and Tom when when you when you think about that. But I don't know. She's she's obviously she's a talent actress. I like her. I like when she goes when she goes against type, like when she played the when she was in cop Land with Stallone.

36:27 She's not trying to be funny, She's not trying to be witty. She's just she's playing a police officer. And I don't know, I wonder I wonder about her. I'll tell you who I don't have to wonder about. Is is Kelly Preston playing Avery. You mentioned that when we started that you mentioned that very very awkward, very loud sex scene right at the end of this movie. Kelly Preston, you know, she was one of the she was one of the all time hots. You got to give it to her. She's you know, I think she's perfect in this role. Turns out Jennifer Conley was the first choice, but she turned it down. So I think it comes down to, you know, who's art You going to pick Betty or Veronica because you know, you can't go wrong with Kelly Preston, but you definitely are not gonna go wrong with Jennifer Connelly. In my world.

37:13 Well, I think Kelly Preston is one of the more underrated actresses in that time period. But also she wasn't like she is a very footagetic Facebook wasn't you know, it wasn't as famous, I think as well, she hadn't done as many like independent type movies as you know. Yeah, I think she's a little bit older too. Just define the role for you know, jere Rewire's fiance, who's just you know, completely dialed into the whole cutthroat competitive thing, almost to the point that it's a little ridiculous. So when she ends up, I hope we're talking about Jay Moore here, because if actually ends up at least on screen with Bob Sugar at the end, just kind of points to the atmosphere that they're the playground that they're playing in and not unfriendly. The other kids in the playground are. So yeah, she nailed it. Maybe a relatively small role, but it yeah, just well.

38:02 It's interesting to see her play someone that's not likable, like you. We're not supposed to like Avery at all. Even even when she's with Jerry, you're like, wow, dude, you can do better, you know, But I don't know, I did like her. I tell you who else I really like. Is Regina King playing Marcy Tidwell. So Janet Jackson originally auditioned and got the part. I don't know why she stepped away or why they went a different direction, but you could definitely say Regina King goes full method acting because she was in fact pregnant while filming this. You know, she has those those great lines like I'm sorry, I'm just a little pregnant right now, you know, when she gets a little upset about Rod's contract. Love Regina King.

38:44 You mentioned Jay Moore as Bob Sugar. If this movie could have done anything better, it would have given us more Bob Sugar. I think I love this character. You know, Jerry's Jerry's nemesis, and I wish we would have had more of him in the role. Yeah, or maybe you know, if we're going to talk about the DVD extras or the the reboots, you know, Bob Sugar revenge or does he end up. I think of him as like the character that you want to see, Like I don't if you remember the Super Original Superman with Christopher Reeve where even though he grows up in Nebraska or whatever, I think I remember like the high school quarterback, Bully is like the janitor in his building in New York. I don't know. Yeah, you want him to have that kind of end where he's going to be, you know, slumming it because he's just such a jerk.

39:33 But yeah, I mean he did a lot in small doses there. He played probably the archetypical corporate villain, you know, firing his mentor what else can you say? He just was a little without being too sleazy, he was he was coming. I think a lot of a lot of his character came out when the scene happens where Jerry goes back to the office, he's trying to call his clients. Bob Sugar and everybody else are picking the crime. Well, he's just saying whatever he like. You know, he's talking about some you know, to a quarterback or a wide receiver. You know that girl that you hooked up with and I don't know, Reno, what was her name? The name I remember, April. That's my job to remember the names of women that you get with on the road, and that I imagine that Probably not all sports agents are like that, but there's got to be plenty who you know, have to play that game.

40:21 That's I've kind of I bet there's Yeah, I bet there's a lot of Bob Sugars out there. Uh, let's let's talk two cameos and uh before they were famous. So we got we got Glenn Frye as the Arizona Cardinals coach. Dennis Wilburn. I always thought he was a great actor. I wish you would have done more. You know. It's it's like you got, you got jere McGuire, you got you know, limited run on Miami Vice and not much else, right, But I believe him. I believe him as an NFL coach honestly. Yeah. I just love that southern California accent that's just so over pronounced with him like, hey, Jerry, you get to stand in the back of the line, like like you want him to say first her and you know, grab his surfboard and run out into the on the beach or something. Of course, I'm typecasting southern California accents, but I mean it's stuck out. I remember when my aunt Martha. I joked that my aunt Martha picked up though she says foreshore a lot, She's from Ohio, but her husband lived in southern California for a while when they thought they wanted to be there, and I think she came back with the same lingo and the same sort of you know, the the intonation that Glenn Fry uses speaking in that film. I know he's not trying to be Southern California, do but I was just like, rock on this Glenn Fry from the Eagles Man. You know, that's the kind of stuff you want to see if you're a fan of music or a fan of pop culture, to see these little extras or I don't know if you're gonna mention it. Jan Winner the head of Rolling Stone, playing the big Boss, So I don't think he has any any lines. He just looks menacingly over over the sales floor as Jerry McGuire's you know mixing his exit

41:52 shakes his head. This Aaron is you know is. You want to you want to talk about this is? This is another one. A lot of people miss this, but you want to talk about the CopyMat. Guy Oh yeah, Jerry Cantrell. Jerry Cantrell, Alison Chains, Gary Chantrell. This is. This is his third time being directed by Cameron Crowe because he's in singles, and then Camra Crow directed the music video for Alison Chain's hit Wood. According to Cantrell, he did Jaymore's podcast. He said that he was cast because Crow wanted to see him wear a pair of doctors and a tie, which I love. It's I got to interview Jered Cantrell when I was writing for Rolling Stone, and what we talked about actually was the kind of the main thing about the article was his fantasy foot football league. He was there's a celebrity fantasy football league with a just off the hook, silent auction like the like the gifts were literally Elton John give gives you know, like his Vegas you know, like when he's doing a residency in Vegas, has like a box you know that you could watch the concert for thirty people and it's probably retail like ninety grand or something. Wow, guys, is like, I'm I don't think like a Hendrix guitar was in there, but maybe there was.

43:04 Like he's just tell me what the gifts were, and he raised all the money from Wounded barri Or project. But we ended up just talking about I mean, Jerry Cantrell was great. He drops f bombs a lot. He's like effing this and effing that, and Physical Create Graffiti's my best efing album and like this, Like I at the end of the interview that I had with him was like a half an hour wasn't supposed to be at long. His bubble syst comes on. He's like, well, I guess you got him in a good mood talking about Physical Graffiti, because uh, he's not really the most warm and fuzzy guy if he doesn't know you. But yeah, it was great. I mean we've all known people the long haired dude who's kind of like got a little philosopher in him, who's working some menial job. That was something that you know nineties movies from Link Later to Crow to, you know, Tarantino picked up on sort of that that underbelly of society where there's smart, valuable people who just you know, don't give a crap about you know, making it in corporate America. I think that was just a little image of, you know, a character that Cameron Crowe probably wanted to put out there for a couple of movies and you know, all part but big impact.

44:09 I think just like Bob Sugar played by j Moore. We got one before they were famous. So we start, we got Jerry's bachelor party. We're seeing all these ex girlfriends kind of smack talk about him, one of them, and this is four years before she'll breakout. In two thousand with Shanghai Noun and Charlie's Angels, we see Lucy Lou playing one of Jerry Maguire's ex girlfriends. I totally missed that very brief, but. Yeah, she's one of the he can't be alone, you know, we get that montage of people, he can't be alone. He definitely can't be alone. There's a very young Lucy Lou. All right, well, Annie, I say we take one last break and when we come back, it'd be time to start keeping it real. Welcome back. It is time to keep it real and you've answered these questions a couple of times with me. Now let's start with our first and maybe our favorite one, because we're talking about one of our favorite actors, Billy Zopka. Yeah, he was dominating dojo's high school cafeterias and college swimming pools in some of the best movies in the eighties, and then he was notably absent for most of the nineties in Hollywood.

45:20 The question is, what about zob Let's replace one actor from this film with William Zopka, who do you got? Well, of course I'm thinking that, well, I don't really want to replace Jay Moore as Bob Shugar because we keep wanting to see more of them. But the so there's a little tiny cameo because he's a great actor where Eric Stultz has a little pep talk with Jeremy Pire Guardian you know, expresses that he's jealous of him, et cetera, et cetera, which is pretty much the narrative of all his you know, end quotes friends in the movie. I would have loved to see Billy Zaboc kind of have a role like that, like as some just you know, you wouldn't you wouldn't trust as far as you could Roman type of sports Asian that would be in an office probably, or maybe the guy in the sports Asian who you know, I think about, Oh, what's a character that's like, you know, he had his he had his big sales back in the early eighties, and he's still hanging around like almost like he is in Cobra Kai, like you know, past day is great stories, great anecdotes you want to go drinking with. But you know, but uh, it's just there for kind of the purpose of coloring the you know, the personality in the office. I don't know if those kind of characters work in big blockbuster films like this, because I'm more of an indie film guy, but I kind of want to see him just be showcased that way. It's just kind of like a regular dude who's also part of the part of the U.

46:48 I guess the carousel of characters. Maybe maybe like Eric Stoltzer donal Low that's there. They're in the background like they're they're ready to stab him in the back, but they're also supporting him, uh well, and or. Also because he he's been removed from the rock and Roll Hall of fame because of things that he said Jen Wynner, you know, being the silent big boss who's staring down disapprovingly at Jerry McGuire's is he's making his exit with a fish. Maybe you can stick Bill Zapka and that where he you know, he's a little more confrontational, almost like he is in in back to school, like you know, the guy who wants you to get the hell out of the office and get out of here. He's gonna keep their masts like that. There had to be there should have been a little bit more hostility, I think in Jerry McGuire, given how much passive aggressive energy that there was between Jerry McGuire and pretty much everybody except for Dorothy Listen.

47:33 I love I love j Moore, but I I want the Bob's the Bob sugar roll for him because I'd love to see their their face off in the restaurant when he fires Jerry McGuire and then kind of puts it back, like what do you stop thinking about yourself for a second? What about me? You know, I would have loved to see Zopka do something like that. But let's talk SEQL prequel remake. Andy, if you controlled this ip. What would be your pitch to the studio to revive it? Are you gonna give us? You gotta do a Jerry Maguire sequel, a prequel? Are you going to remake it? So? I think as long as you do it fun, you have you let Tom cruise by who he is. I think you could do a sequel where he's massively successful now and maybe he's, you know, SMI Sports Management International isn't doing so well and he's got to throw a bone to I don't know, maybe an underling agent or who knows. I don't even know what the plot would be, but I kind of want to see him, you know, fast forward thirty years later successful, and then he's got one last you know, one last piece of good that he's got to do for society. Maybe, you know, maybe he picks up somebody who's been cut from a team because of a dui or because of some other thing, and you know, pluck some kid out of the Canadian Football League, or maybe like a female player who's such a damn good placekicker that it's no way that she shouldn't be in the NFL. And he's the one who's brave enough to get our contry and get her playing and interesting, very interesting. That's uh, that's my kind of

49:05 wild ball plot. But I would like to see Jerry Maguire, you know, in the future kind of doing one more thing, you know, for the good of sports. I'm with you. I want a legacy sequel. I want it. Directed by Cameron Crowe, right, starring Tom Cruise, And I got Jerry facing retirement from a lifelong career in the sports agency, and now he's feeling lost and unnecessary in a world without Dorothy because she's gone to you know, because this this whole movie is about crisis, right and him finding a new way, And that's that's I kind of want that. But more importantly, I want Cush and rod Tidwell as supporting characters doing color commedary for Monday Night Football. And I'm gonna call it McGuire retires just because it rolls off the tongue.

49:54 So yeah, does he have a strained relationship with Roy? Is Roy sto wearing glasses? Now? Uh, let's let's say that they got a strong relationship, all right. I'm seeing I'm seeing where something happened to Dorothy, like, you know, they lost her maybe ten years into their their marriage, and you know, the father son thing is there. You know, I don't know. I think I think Crek could pull it off. This reminds me of when we talked about Swingers and you said the sequel should have Jonathan Fabreuau widow widower and you know, kind of along the same line real life and what you gotta do to kind of pick up the pieces after your laugh. Sometimes you need that. It's a hard it's a it's it's it's a feel good movie. Uh. Let's talk DVD extras UH, nineteen ninety six. The DVD format is initially introduced to US markets. We love the high definition, we love.

50:45 We love well, we don't I'll tell you what we don't love. We don't love the the extras because we get like French and Spanish subtitles. We get a trailer if we're lucky. Yeah, any what DVD extra would you want on your Jerry Maguire DVD? You can have here's your I'm gonna give you three choices. You can have an in character audio commentary, so like one of the characters doing the audio commentary as their character. You can have a making up documentary, or we recently changed this to the Amber Lewis Actors round Table. You can pick three people from the movie and do like a little little roundtable conversation with them. I would say the first option the in the End character, because you know, I think the best one ever was. I guess it was the Hangover three with mister Chow telling you that, you know, Ken Jong doesn't really exist and mister Chow is actually a real international criminal who forced his way under the film made up does Ken Jong just to do what you know? Ken Jong? Oh what am I doing here? Yeah, something like that with I don't know Rod Tidwell or even like I would love to see an extra like Rod Tidwell makes in the NFL, gets a little bit too big of a head, starts a hip hop career and you know, doesn't really take off. He's got a bad video where he's just you know, loses his one his one record deal gond track after after trying to go a little bit too mc hammer, a little bit too NWA, too late. I don't know, I.

52:06 Feel like Rod Tidwell if he was going to release an album, it'd be like Eddie Murphy when he did a party all the time yep, you know, like a flash in the pan kind of thing. I want the end character audio commentary, And don't get me wrong, it's probably not gonna be that informative. I want. I want Kush to do it. He'd just be so laid back, so quiet, like he'd go like minutes without it. You can say anything, and he'd be like he'd get cush lash just seeing himself. I don't know. Cush going to be, but it's Kush gonna be Tom Brady. Is he gonna be Johnny Manziel, because that'd be interesting if he was a bus like Jenny Manziel and we got to get the whole documentary version of the story why he didn't. It's funny.

52:47 It's funny you say that because the NFL produced a couple mockumentaries in twenty seventeen called a Football Life. They did one about Cush and apparently he his career is very short lived because he, uh he develops a severe case of athleteses foot, so he he kind of goes on to uh do charity work helping kids that also have athletes foot. And then they did they did a Rod Tidwell one where where Tidwell is actually very He goes on to prominence basically and then turns down one of the biggest contracts of all time because the quand wasn't there, and he, you know, he he decides that he's going to retire early to be with his family. So they're fun, you know, get you know, like we said, you can find anything online, find them. You'd have some fun because everyone came back to play themselves, you know.

53:36 And uh, honestly, Bob Sugar, you know, in prison running a prison gang as a cartel for uh I don't know, still gotten games from blackmailing athletes on the field. Let's talk about this film's legacy. Uh any would you say this is a classic, a cult classic, or just a product of its time. I think it coould be a classic. It's tell me could Claskins didn't fail at the box office. For as much as Camera Crup probably wants to have a cold classic in his career, I don't. I think he's just too big successful ever have one. I think this is a classic. I think it really has everything. You got to give it a chance and kind of give it past your own biases. If you don't like sports or you don't like Tom Cruise that to see if there's a lot of there's a lot. It's a lot deeper than it looks like on the surface. And I think maybe as part of the I think if I'm reading I might be reading too much into it. It there's a sort of slight of hand that Camra Crow is playing by putting the superficial character in the mix. Everything's working for him on the front, and then it all goes to hell and he has to actually handle that aspect of his life, which isn't life threatening. It's just a big change. So I think that makes the movie deeper than I think a lot of people have to credit for, and not just Tom Cruise, but I think some of the other actors, particularly bernez el Lager bring that to light.

54:55 Bonnie Hunt brings that to light. I think it's just it's a world's collide between the glamor of sports and fame and money with the everyday you know family that's just trying to trying to get by and a lively good life. Yeah, Crow Crow Crews, Football Romance. It's classic and you don't have to like. You don't have to like all of all of them. But I don't know anyone that doesn't like at least one of them. So, uh, definitely a classic. Let's talk about how this film impacted pop culture. I think some of the most memorable movie quotes of the nineties you had me at hello, you complete me show me the money. You know how often did you hear those in everyday conversation for years?

55:37 Right, yeah, you're never going to say that. Now show me the money and have someone be like, Oh, that's that's a really cool saying. I've never heard that before. Like, it's just I mean it was in a trailer. It just stood out from the beginning, and yeah, it's it's a I think classic films tend to tend to be classic because they have classic moments like that as well. They've got memorable taglines or scenes where as soon as you first book second, see something on frame, you know exactly what that movie is without even thinking, which is baked into the psyche at that point. Secret Garden was a popular staple at weddings in the late nineties. Today, it's the eleventh most streamed Bruce Springsteen song on Spotify, with forty eight thousand plus daily streams.

56:21 I find that hard to believe honestly, forty eight forty eight thousand people are listening to Secret Garden nowadays. I don't know, but many agents agree that Jerry McGuire was responsible for an increased amount of young people becoming interested in the agency business, and allegedly it sped up some necessary changes in that business. This one. I read this, I read this, Andy, and I don't know if I agree, if I believe it. If I agree, I definitely don't agree with it. Though AFI ranked Jerry maguire as the tenth best sports movie of all time. That can't be. I feel like it's champire. You should know all you want? You said, you're saying higher, Okay, interesting.

57:03 Yeah, I mean there's well in terms of storytelling, it's unique. I mean, yeah, a lot of the I'm assuming that probably the top of them are about the athlete. It's rocky, it's field of dreams. It's maybe even angels in the outfield, even though that's kind of dated Brian song. I mean, there's there's plenty of great stuff that I think, like when you think AFI, you're thinking a little more prestigious, you know, but maybe a little more pretentious. But I don't know, you know, you gotta lean hard into jere mcguar being a sports movie for it to be the in the top ten of all time. I think, well, I mean, the thing is that it tells the story of the sports as not just an industry, but as kind of one of the cornerstones of American life.

57:43 That even even people who don't really like or follow sports daily are touched by sports, and regional differences are highlighted by sports, and you know, it's just it's I think it's just unique in that it brings to movie audiences a lot of things that they never thought about. It. You could have a movie, you could have a film about a sports changent, just like there's lots of films about lawyers and you're like, okay, they're a lawyer, who cares, you know, they do lawyer things. And maybe it's the crime in the lawyer film that is interesting. I'm thinking mainly of light cares and Ford films and from the nineties. But yeah, there's the characters. Really, they're real people. They're not just you know, people in office playing a kind of industry role. And I think I feel like it should be higher. Maybe if you said it's listed as the tenth Best Sports Movie.

58:35 AFI ranks it as the tenth best sports movie of all time. I mean it steffily top ten, maybe a little bit higher. I wouldn't put it at number one, but I think it's all right. Well, I'll tell you. I'll tell you what you got me thinking. You know, we're gonna wrap up this nineteen ninety six series in the next couple of months. I think you got to come back at some point and do we got to do like a top ten sports movie. So we got to do our top five sports movies. See what I'd love to hear the you know, the Andy Fry top five, you know, especially if jere McGuire should be higher. So now you got me wondering. But I think I'll start deliberating. All right, Yeah, get started, man, Listen. I know you're coming back in November to talk more in nineteen ninety six with us. In the meantime, I understand there's there's some new developments with ninety days in the nineties. Can you talk about any of that or I.

59:24 Could talk a little bit about it. Yeah. So almost a year ago, back in the fall of last year twenty twenty three, a producer, producer reached out to me and we had some conversations and what happened was Nine Days in the nineties ended up being optioned for film Slash TV. So yeah, there's kind of a standard type of contract you look for as a writer to make sure that you know it's a good deal for you and not being like a best selling offered author by any means, you know. It was more just kind of an honor to have somebody interested. But yeah, there is so right now screening across America. There's a an indie film called The Unexpected, directed by a guy named Alejandro Montoya Marin. He trained under and did some work with Robert Rodriguez. And so the movie The Unexpected. I haven't seen it yet. I'm waiting for it to come to Chicago Film Fest. I think we're waiting to see if it when it will be out here. But uh, it stars Matt Waalsh. She's been in a couple of really great time Phillips movies, and you know, he's an old school and so on. Uh he And I guess a bunch of people my age get scammed by somebody on the internet who's like a bitcoin dealer or something like that, and they all decided to go after him, and as I understand it, hold the hostage and uh so it's dark, dark comedy. I think I just saw that the director, Montoya Marin posted something on Instagram that it's screening at the New York City Latino Film Festival sometime in the next couple It just announced today, So yeah, he's uh, he's the director. I've talked to him a little bit

1:00:54 and got the meet him person when he was here briefly the summer. Beyond that, you know, it's it's uh. I guess you could say it's going to be a looks like it's going to be an independent film. I guess they're hard at work at writing the script. And it's not like I have any saying that I'm not. I'm taking this lightly, like this isn't about egos. It's just about, you know, the opportunity for for my little world of the nineties and the best music decade of the twentieth centuries. I would think, you know, kind of being brought to life. And I'm sure there's gonna be a little bit more news going forward, but you know, I'll let you know when i'm allowed, when I know more, When I'm allowed to, I guess to volte. Yeah. So it's like Bob, It's like Bob.

1:01:37 So it's like Bob Sugar said, it's it's not show friends, it's show business. So I look forward to hearing more about this. Meanwhile, you know, where can we where can the listeners? Uh? Where can they read your your work? Where can they Where can they get the book? Yeah? You can definitely get the book on Amazon or Barnes and Noble. Where do you buy books? Obviously, if you want to, you know, throw a hat tip to your local uh, you know, independent bookstore. They can order probably get it for you in a couple of days, just like any bookstore would give them the business for sure. And beyond that, like, if you want to read my sports writing writing a little bit about you know, football and soccer and different things, that's at Sporty Fried with an Eesportyfriy dot com. It'll take you right to my column on Forbes.

1:02:21 Andy Fry, you are my ambassador of quand and I thank you for enjoying. I thank you for joining me today. Man, Yeah, thanks for let me come on and talk about the great movies in the nineties. We'll do we'll definitely be doing it again listeners. We obviously want to thank all of you for listening to today's nineteen ninety six episode. We are approaching the completion of this limited series, and if we haven't covered your favorite from nineteen ninety six, there's still time to hit us up on social media or email us to share your requests. You can do that at a film by podcast dot com or hit us up on social media. You'll find us on Facebook, Instagram, and x We got a bounce. But next time on nineteen ninety six, we'll talk bootlegging, bloodshed, and Bruce Willis with Walter Hill's last man standing, he'ce outh