Oct. 14, 2026

Phasers Set To Stun: Star Trek TOS | The Menagerie | The Conscience of the King

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On Phasers Set To Stun, we recognize the popularity of all things Star Trek, with a look at the television shows, animation, movies, and much more!

Scott and Wayne continue celebrating the 60th anniversary of Star Trek with their exploration of the only two-part episode in the original series, The Menagerie, followed by The Conscience of the King!

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Space, the final frontier. Join us for a bold conversation.

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Our prime directive, to recap our favorite Star Trek shows,

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both new and old. To engage in debate about all

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things Trek. Prepare to energize. With phasers set to stun.

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Hello, everyone, and welcome back to Phasers Set to Stun,

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where we continue to show our love for everything Star

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Trek in this ongoing series from a film by podcast

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that explores the expanding Trek universe by covering television, animation, movies, directors, merchandise,

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and much more. Plotting the course, as always, is your

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core Trek crew. I'm Scott Hoffman.

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And I'm Wayne Whited.

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And Dave is off on a mission to Talos V,

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so I hope he doesn't get in too much trouble.

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Hopefully he doesn't stop the wrong planet, and he can

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come back and talk with us soon. So now that

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we've wrapped up the latest season of Strange New Worlds,

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we're heading back to the original Star Trek, which continues

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to celebrate its 60th anniversary this year. Coincidentally, we're jumping

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back in with something that's very much related to Strange

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New Worlds, this two-parter episode titled The Menagerie. Part one

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originally aired on November 17th, 1966. Well, part two aired

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just seven days later on November 24th. Both episodes were

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directed by Mark Daniels and Robert Butler. Both were written

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by Gene Bradenberry and John D.F. Black with Stephen W. Karabastos, uh,

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also featured as a writer on part one. Now, this

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is one that gets a little tangled because we're technically

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talking about a two-parter that's kind of two episodes in one. Um,

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It's related to the cage we already covered. We'll get

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that in a minute. But, Wayne, let's ring the core

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bell and bring the session to order as you tell

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us what this episode is all about.

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All right. Captain Christopher Pike, now severely disabled following a

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tragic accident, arrives aboard the Enterprise, prompting Spock to take

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control of the ship and divert it to a forbidden planet,

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Talos IV, as Spock faces a court-martial for mutiny. He

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presents recordings from the Enterprise's earlier mission to Talos IV,

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where Pike encountered powerful aliens capable of creating incredibly realistic illusions.

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Through these recordings, the court learns how the Talosians attempted

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to keep Pike on their planet by offering him the

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illusion of a life free from his physical limitations. Spock's

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true motive is revealed, to return Captain Pike to Talos IV,

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where the aliens can provide him with a chance at

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a happier life despite his disabilities.

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Thanks, Wayne. So we've already talked about the cage on

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an earlier episode. So if you missed that one, please

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take a minute to check it out. Because in this episode,

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we're primarily talking about the courtroom and mutiny story surrounding

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that episode. So, Wayne, I'm curious because my so admittedly,

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I'm kind of the new guy with the original series.

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And this happens to be an episode that I have

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seen before, although it was a while ago. So I'm

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curious about your latest episode. Your thoughts on the latest

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viewing of this episode for our discussion today. How is

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that different from when you saw it for the first time?

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Yeah, I haven't seen the actual menagerie in decades. I

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saw the cage quite a few times since then, but

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not the menagerie. So I had to go back and

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remind myself of the extra stuff. But I actually, I

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found it rather interesting. It's definitely memorable. I like how

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they were able to incorporate... the older footage with, with

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this new storyline, it's, you know, it's pretty straightforward in

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terms of storyline, you know, he commits mutiny, Spock commits mutiny,

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turns it into, it really turns into something much more

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meaningful altogether. I, I, I like that idea. I like

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the Spock being, um, faithful to his original captain, but

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not wanting to, to disappoint or go against, uh, Kirk.

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It really, for this early, it's, and we're still early

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in the season, in the whole series, it really helps

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to expand the character of Spock, which at this point

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hasn't had too much expansion yet. It actually works. I'm

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really surprised at how well the incorporation of the original

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pilot works, considering how different I've always considered that pilot

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from the rest of the series. Um, I, I enjoyed it.

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I think it, it really works for me. That's, that's

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the thing. There's, there's a lot of emotion to the story.

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There's a lot of character development. Um, I just find

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Spock's devotion very, very touching.

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this the first time it was compelling and interesting and

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it kind of, um, you know, everything that we pick

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up from it as a first time viewer for this,

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Spock's maneuvering through the process to ultimately free Captain Pike,

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so to speak. But as a devout fan of Strange

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New Worlds, this viewing hit me in a different way

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this time. There was a lot more emotional investment that

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I was reading into it from Spock in terms of

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Pike's well-being, not just his survival. I found myself also

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kind of wondering and trying to kind of reconcile what

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the crew... what the surrounding crew knew of Pike from

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their shared time on the enterprise, because we do get

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Kirk and Spock and bones all, um, going to see

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Pike for the first time. And it's the first time

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they're seeing him, um, in his condition in the chair. Um,

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so I, it seemed, it seemed like, uh, there should

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have been like, it was a little odd that, Clark

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didn't necessarily seem to know as much about Pike, even

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though they've gotten kind of close on strange new worlds. Um,

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but this is quite a few, I feel like it's

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quite a few years after, um, they had known each other.

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So that's where the timeline started getting kind of nutted

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up for me. So when they meet Pike in his condition,

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when they fight, when they arrive on the planet at

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the beginning of the episode, um, It had been just

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a few months since his accident.

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Well, I'm not sure because that's what I always thought

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it was. For years, for decades, I always thought it was.

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But since this last season of Strange New Worlds, and

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you're absolutely right. Now that we've seen Strange New Worlds,

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it kind of puts a completely different light on this episode.

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It's kind of neat that we're actually talking about this

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right after the fourth season. But I think... Because I

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remember there was one of the episodes of this last

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season that I was trying to figure out the whole timeline.

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And I believe that if the accident happens at the

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end of the fifth season of next season of Strange

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New Worlds, that would mean that this episode, the Menagerie,

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takes place about four or five years later.

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Okay. Okay. And then the events of the cage, we've

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not seen that represented in Discovery or Strange New Worlds yet. Right.

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Because that, you know, that took place. Well, we did,

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but only in flashback in, in a second season of discovery,

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because it took place about a year before the second

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season of discovery, which is where we were introduced to

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Pike and, and Spock and, and, uh, Una. Um, so yeah,

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everything on strange new worlds takes place afterwards.

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Yeah. Got it. Okay. That makes a lot more sense. Um,

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it's just that emotional investment that Spock has, um, it

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puts a lot more meaning behind what he's going through.

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It's almost like as a watcher of strange new worlds.

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Now you see that this is him finally kind of

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bringing him home almost.

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Um, but I don't know. It's fascinating. I would just,

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I'd recommend obviously watching strange new worlds to anybody who's

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a fan of the classic series. Um, and, uh, anybody

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who's a fan of strange new worlds, this might be

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a good jumping on point to try, uh, the original series. Obviously,

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there are several things we've already talked about that would

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be a good time to do so. But I mean,

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particularly now as we're getting ready for that last season,

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I think there's a certain amount of question in people's

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minds about, you know, we know kind of what happens

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to Pike, but what will happen to Pike that we

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will see in the next season. I think this is

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just kind of an intriguing setup for that.

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It is.

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Makes me interested to see it with that kind of lens.

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And I can see myself watching this again after the

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ending of Strange New Worlds.

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And I think that would be a great place to

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watch it. I think, I think it'd be, um, a

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great way of starting. Um, other than I, I actually,

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I would prefer you people, if you're not watching, if

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you've never watched the original series and you're watching strange

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new worlds, I actually would start with this, um, rather

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than start with the cage. It would make much more sense. Um,

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you know, I, I actually saw the cage before I

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saw the menagerie. Oh, back years and years ago, back

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in the eight piece, because the cage, what was released

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on videotape, I think it was around 86 is around

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the time voyage home came out. And it was like

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this weird mix of color and black and white. Cause

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they hadn't found the, the, the, the, uh, original film

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was lost, but, um, I didn't see the menagerie until

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like years, a couple of years later. Um, so, you know,

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that I'm, I'm a little backwards from everybody else, but

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it's just, it's interesting watching it after all these years

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and with strange new worlds now, very, you know, we're

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in our memory since we just watched the fourth season,

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you know, just having to reevaluate again, because you get

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a completely different look at Pike and a completely different

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look at the characters around him. And I understand.

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I mean, there is some little difference. You, Considering how

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many times Kirk has appeared in Strange New Worlds, he

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should recognize and be very familiar with Pike. And he

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definitely doesn't seem familiar. But, you know, hey, I can

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look past that.

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Yeah, yeah. Well, and I think for me, there's a

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different way of looking at Pike with more empathy for

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the man in the chair.

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Right. It was thinking about his... Maybe in an original

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viewing of this, it may have been seen that Captain

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Pike didn't want to go back to Telos 4. That

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maybe he saw that as a bad experience or he's

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scared to go back or something to that effect. With

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this kind of viewing, though, it feels like the Pike

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that we know through Strange New Worlds would do it

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because he wants to protect Spock. that he wants to

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protect Kirk that he wants to protect everybody around him

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and say like I don't want you to do this

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for me let me.

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Be that's that's exactly how I felt rewatching this is

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that he he doesn't he's trying to protect Spock he's

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trying to protect the other people he doesn't want to

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to he don't want them to ruin their careers just

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for him yeah yeah.

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So viewers if you haven't done so already I encourage

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you to watch Strange New Worlds and catch up maybe

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give it more than one season since this past season

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was a little bit unusual, I'll say. But for sure,

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give it a shot and then take a look at

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this Menagerie two-parter. All right, well, let's take a quick

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break and when we come back, we'll talk about the

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next episode, The Conscience of the King. All right, welcome back, listeners.

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We're getting into the 60th anniversary of Star Trek, getting

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back into the original series. We're talking about Technically three episodes,

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I guess. We just talked about the first two with

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the Menagerie two-parter. And we're getting into the third, The

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Conscious of the King. The first aired on December 8th, 1966.

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Directed by Gerd Oswald and written by Barry Trivers and

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Stephen W. Karabatsos. I'm going to get that right one

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of these times.

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At least once.

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So Wayne, if you wouldn't mind, tell us what this

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episode is all about.

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The Enterprise is sent to Planet Q. where Captain Kirk's

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friend Dr. Thomas Layton suspects Shakespearean actor Anton Kardin is

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actually Kodos the Executioner, responsible for massacring half the population

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of Taurus IV during a famine. After Layton is murdered

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and other witnesses are targeted, Kirk investigates while Spock discovers

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that several survivors have died wherever Kardinian's acting troop has

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been nearby. Evidence increasingly points to Kardinian, But the truth

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emerges when his daughter Lenore reveals she has been killing

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the witnesses to protect her father. But when Lenore attempts

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to shoot Kirk, Caridian takes the blast and dies, leaving

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his daughter mentally shattered.

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So I feel like that's a pretty fascinating twist to

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this one. As a first-time watcher, I found that to

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be pretty surprising. It did remind me of, at least

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in the essential plot of a couple of Next Generation movies, Yes.

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Yes.

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Um, in particular, like the, um, uh, some of the

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episodes where there's just kind of that mistaken identity for

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who the murderer is. Uh, it reminded me of times

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at times for some reason with the, uh, episode where Riker, um,

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is believed to have killed a scientist, uh, that was

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with his wife. Um, and, um, a few other episodes

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where there was this kind of like, mistaken identity in

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history or kind of mistaken history. I don't know. I

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thought the twist with Lenore and Credian's actions, that kind

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of self-sacrifice, I thought it was interesting. When I first

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saw the episode, I don't think I was, you know,

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at the beginning of the episode, I don't think I

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was as invested, but as it started to unravel, I

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thought it was an interesting mystery, but Wayne, what do

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you think?

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Yeah, again, this is another episode I haven't seen in

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a very long time. And I do remember it was

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never one of my favorite episodes. I don't think I've

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seen it since it came out maybe on DVD like

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20 years ago or so. So I had to watch

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it just to kind of remember what happened. And honestly,

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it's not as bad as I remember it. I actually

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enjoyed it. I kind of liked the whole murder mystery.

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And you must be reading my mind because that episode

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of The Next Generation, which was, it was called A

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Matter of Perspective, where Riker accused that. I was thinking

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the same thing. Very, very similar vibes between those two episodes.

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I thought it was just the idea of this whole Shakespearean,

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you know, group hiding this dark secret. This man that's

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been going around with a different life and a different identity,

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you know, having this very evil background. Really, It's actually

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really very interesting, and it's kind of a nice little twist,

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you know, keeping you wondering what's going on. You know,

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I like the twist ending. I thought it was fantastic.

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It just, it works for me. The whole episode worked

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for me. I like the idea that Kirk has to

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figure this out. He doesn't have all the answers right away,

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and he has to investigate it. It's, and it adds

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a lot of backstory to Kirk, too. You know, there's

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The whole thing about him witnessing this massacre when he

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was a child, this isn't just another mystery for him

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to solve. This has personal connections to Kirk, and you

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can see this. You can see this in the way

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William Shatner's performing it. I was really surprised how much

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I was involved, how much sucked into the episode I was.

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watching this again because I really did not remember much

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of it except for the fact that it was one

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of those episodes I didn't really care for before. I

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don't know why. I guess I'm looking at it with

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different eyes now.

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Yeah. Well, I mean, along those lines, it feels like,

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and we talked about this on the previous episode or

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maybe a couple of episodes back, what could be a

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holdout hope.

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Mm-hmm.

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What could be or could have been if they would

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go through with, um, the, uh, the planned, um, uh,

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Star Trek kind of year one or whatever that would

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be with Paul Wesley and the rest of the cast

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continuing on. Uh, we had talked before about, you know,

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episodes that could give more depth to original series episodes

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like this one. Yes. You mentioned court history, right? Um,

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I'm kind of curious what you think about whether, uh,

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what you've kind of experienced in strange new worlds, the

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new that we've gotten, the new perspective on Kirk, has

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that kind of affected your perception of this episode or

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what you might want to see if they're going to

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pursue something like that? Yeah.

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You know, this, this sounds like a major tragedy and

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we already have one tragedy, which they dealt with on

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in Kirk's past on, uh, on Star Trek. But this

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seems like this is like 10 times worse and that

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this really affected him. It's, it's, surprising that this was

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never brought up ever again in um star trek or

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at least in kirk's life because this this is traumatic

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i mean you think this something like this would you

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know give him ptsd or something um i really think

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yes if they would did do a a year one

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or so and i'm really not counting it 100 out

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that they're not i mean it's it's still possible um

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but um I would like to see a little bit

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more background learning, even if they have to do it

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in flashbacks. This would make a very, very interesting, very

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good episode dealing with Kirk and his, you know, the aftermath,

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the effects that this has with him.

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Yeah. I just think it would be a great way

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to kind of connect them back, aside from the obvious

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connection between the original series and the new series, but

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ways to say like, it's worth diving back into the

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original series. Now that with this new kind of perspective

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on things and to just, it just seems like it

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extends the life of the original series so much more

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to be able to do those kinds of things. It does.

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And it connects, it connects everything. I, you know, watching

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just these two, it makes me feel more connected between

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strange new worlds in the original series than I ever

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have been.

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Yeah. Well, it's, It's also interesting, like our discussion being

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somebody who has seen all this before and comes to

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it with the knowledge that you have and somebody who's

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absolutely fresh to it. It's just interesting to talk about

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it from both perspectives. So I'm glad we've got that

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ability to do that. And I'm glad I can ask

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you some of these questions because there are a lot

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of things that come up like, what about this and

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how does this connect? I don't know. I just thought

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that we had that chance to do that together. All right, well,

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now that we've talked about um, both of the episodes, um,

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be interested to know, um, which crew member you think

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shined the most among these three.

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Um, well, between the two, you're having to look at

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both the menagerie and conscious of the King. I, I'm

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going to say it's Kirk. I think he shined the

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most in these episodes. Um, it's just, it really showed,

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did a good job at showing different sides, different emotions

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that Kirk can have, not just as captain, but as,

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as a person that, you know, he, he really does

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care about the people around him. He really wants to

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do the right thing, even when, when it all gets

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like messed up and complicated, you know, in the menagerie,

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I liked how Kirk gave Spock the opportunity to explain

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himself rather than just assuming the worst, you know, This

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is a big history, which I guess trying to forget

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all about Strange New Worlds, you know, and always thinking

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that Kirk, you know, didn't know that much, didn't know

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about Spock's history with Pike. It's rather interesting. I mean,

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it's just I but then, you know, we get more

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of Kirk in The Conscious of the King, a very

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serious side of him. Lots of, you know, his investigative side,

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you know, having to try to figure out this mystery

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that that's really deeply important. personal to him. Dealing with

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something that's that connected to his past. It's just a

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fantastic character development. So that's why I chose Kirk.

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Yeah, I mean, we're sharing notes here because I said

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the same thing. There's part of me that was going

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to choose Spock because of his maneuvering through the menagerie.

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We'll talk about that in a minute. Spoilers. But I

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think absolutely agree with what you say about conscious of

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the King. But for me in the menagerie, um, you

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raise a great point about his, not only his faith

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in Spock, but his faith in the investigative process. Like

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he was able to see that there was more than just,

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you know, it's not like Spock's now going to be

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like twirling a mustache and he's got some kind of

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evil plot. He knows there has to be more to it.

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And he knows that it's worth listening into the investigation. Um,

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a lot of his analytical mind came in here. It's

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kind of, you know, his, his 3d chess maneuvering of understanding,

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you know, how to get through the situation and his

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empathy to know that he's helping more than one friend, uh,

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in that situation. So, yeah. Well, if you could be

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anyone in these episodes, who would it be?

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Well, I think probably, um, cause I don't like wouldn't,

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I don't find any of the characters to be fun,

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but I think the one that most interesting to be

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would be probably be Spock. Um, I'm imagining being in

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his position, especially in the Menagerie, when you're risking your

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entire Starfleet career, probably his freedom, because I'm sure they

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probably would have thrown him some sort of Starfleet brig

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or whatever, just to do the right thing for someone

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you care about, his old Captain Pike. That's really a

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