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Oct. 4, 2026

The Shape Returns: Halloween II and Scarefest Weekend

The Shape Returns: Halloween II and Scarefest Weekend

Scarefest Weekend is almost here! Jeff and David are thrilled to welcome back Wes Forsythe to the show! Wes joins us to talk all things Scarefest Weekend 18, from the excitement, and atmosphere, to the unforgettable moments that make this annual...

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Season 7
Scarefest Weekend is almost here!

Jeff and David are thrilled to welcome back Wes Forsythe to the show! Wes joins us to talk all things Scarefest Weekend 18, from the excitement, and atmosphere, to the unforgettable moments that make this annual horror celebration such a must-attend event!

We also carve out plenty of time to celebrate the 45th anniversary of Halloween II, taking a look back at the film’s legacy, its place in the Halloween franchise, and why Michael Myers continues to be one of horror’s most iconic figures. It’s a packed episode for horror fans you won’t want to miss!

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Well, it is October at last, and what better way

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to start it with a classic 80s slasher film and

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a lot of talk about what is undeniably our favorite

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con of the year. I'm talking about Scarefest weekend, and

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we're going to get into it right now. Let's talk

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about a film by Rick Rosenthal, his 1981 directorial film debut,

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Halloween II. Hello, everybody. I'm Jeff Johnson.

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I'm David Burns.

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And this is a Film By Podcast. And we're... Dave,

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I know you've been looking forward to this for months. Always.

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It's finally October. You know, we always go huge in

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this month. Like, our output doubles. You know, eight episodes

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become 16 episodes and sometimes more. But, dude, I'm excited

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because I know last year we were invited to ScareFest. Um,

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got to get, I mean, the show's awesome. We've been

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going for years now, but to, but to be there

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and have, uh, have the opportunity to speak to all

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these iconic actresses, actors, directors, uh, you know, ask them

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the questions, you know, we provided some great, uh, great

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coverage for it. Uh, and that is, uh, without, without

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a doubt, that's, that's due in part, largely in part to, um,

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to our guest today. Talk about Wes Forsyth, who is back. Uh, Wes, uh, Welcome, sir.

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It is a pleasure to have you.

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It is wonderful to be here.

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Yeah, we had such a fun time with you last

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year because you joined us. We did like a little

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road to Scarefest. You kind of gave everybody a little

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con etiquette, if you will. We talked about Scarefest. We

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talked about the history of Scarefest. And we got everybody

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ready for it. You were gracious enough to make some

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time for us. I know we know how insanely busy

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you are right now, you and everyone. working behind the

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scenes at Scarefest to get this one going. Are you

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excited about this year's show?

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Yes, the answer is yes. I am excited. I'm a

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little more... Have you ever been worried and not been

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worried about anything in particular? Yes. I know what you're

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talking about. My problem is we've got a lot going

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on this year.

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Yes.

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But we have groomed people. to take some of the

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load off of what is normally what I kind of

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do ahead of time, what Adrienne has to do a

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lot of, because she's really been slammed. Adrienne, of course,

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being the show manager. So this work has been delegated out,

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and people are handling it like champs. But now that

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I'm not in that constant behind-the-scenes circle, you might say,

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there's so many things that they're planning that I'm not

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even aware of yet. Oh, shit.

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Okay.

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And the problem is I'm the guy that when it

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goes sideways, they go, hey, Wesley, you know, and grab

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me by the ear and drag me across the con floor.

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So that's, yeah. So, yeah, I got nothing to worry about,

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but I'm more worried, I think, than I am usually

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because I don't know what I'm facing in every situation.

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It's the worry of the unknown. So I get that.

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Yeah. Yeah. And I'll say this to everybody. We are

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the master of the whole duck underwater thing, where people say, oh,

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the duck's beautiful in the pond, and the little feet

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are down there, you know, this way. We are the

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masters of that. You will never know anything goes wrong

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as a patron of the show. But behind the scenes,

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you catch me on a Friday afternoon sometimes, I am

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ready to burn the place down with everybody in it.

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Well, I believe last year when we saw you, you

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were directing traffic.

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Yeah, he's outside directing traffic, man. He does it all.

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He does.

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Well, what it was, we had a duck. Two years

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ago now, I guess, we had a terrible, terrible mess

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up on the line building on Friday night. Oh, yeah.

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It took people up to four hours to get in

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the building. And that was just embarrassing for us. That

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does not, especially on a Friday night. So we hit

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it the next morning. We said, we're going to streamline this.

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We're going to get people flowing. And we did it.

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The next day, everything was back to normal, even though

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we had one of our biggest crowds ever. But what

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I found out in the meantime is helping people get

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across the street, give them a little cheer in their day,

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make them feel welcome. And I loved it. Standing out

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there almost getting hit by cars. But I absolutely loved it.

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At the con, it is the single most fun thing

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I had ever done up to that moment. And so

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I said, you know what, this is my job from

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now on. Before the con opens, I help all two

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days before that. I help that morning. I'm once the

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crowd starts showing up, I'm going to stand out in

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traffic and direct traffic and help people get across the

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street and give them that little smile and a warm

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welcome and get them in the building.

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Yeah, well, I remember when we were walking, we were

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approaching and I looked at Dave. I was like, holy shit.

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I was like, something has gone wrong because Wes is

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out here. If he's out here directing traffic. you know, he's,

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he's already trying to fix something that went sideways. And

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to find out that you just like, Nope, I'm where

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I want to be.

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You enjoy it.

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I just, I love it, man. Yeah.

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I'll tell you a real quick little story though. Yeah.

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It came back to bite me. You might say when

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we did our summer show first ever.

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Oh yeah. I mean, there's a lot of unknowns with it. So,

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you know, I'm having to put out a lot of

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minor fires and I'm standing at the lobby. I think,

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I think I've gotten everything under control and it's Saturday

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and I think it was about noon-ish. And Brandon Griffith,

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the owner of Scarefest, owner of Scarefest, runs up to

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me in the lobby, grabs me by the shoulders and go,

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I've got an emergency. And I'm thinking, oh, my God,

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Skeet Ulrich has OD'd. I mean, he had that look

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on his face. And what it was, the one thing

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we had not anticipated, we were running out of parking.

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Hmm.

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Because we didn't think we'd have that big of a crowd.

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So he sends me. So here I'm wearing a tuxedo.

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He sends me out to the parking lot to start

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parking cars, directing traffic and parking cars. And so, yeah,

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that's kind of my stick now. That's my gig. I'm

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the parking guy.

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You said, look, I mean, Scarefest goes huge every week.

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Or I'm sorry, every year. There's some pretty... incredible things

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you guys have got planned. I know you said you've

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got some stuff where you're like, I don't even know

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what the hell they're talking about yet or what they're

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up to. I got, I didn't say entertainment.

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I don't.

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Okay.

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Well, okay. So I'm just, I'm going to, I saw

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a couple of things that I just wanted to see, like,

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you know, I wanted to shout them out. Cause even

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if you're like, hell, I don't know.

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That's an eight.

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You got to talk to Adrian. That's fine. We will. But, uh, okay.

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So we've got, you know, as far as the special

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events go, cause you guys, every year you have the

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film festival, which is awesome. You've got the tattoo expo.

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You've got hands down. You've got some of the biggest

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and best vendors. I mean, it's the vendor floor is

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just packed and it's packed with, with just some of

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the best creative people I've ever seen. So I love

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that you guys do that for us. Um, this year,

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later this month, uh, scare fest weekend. Uh, we're talking

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October 23rd, 24th and 25th in Lexington, Kentucky. Um, that's,

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that's the home of scare fest. Uh, Wes, Paranormal Investigation

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with Christopher St. Booth and Shane Pittman.

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Yeah, that is... Back when Patty started on the convention,

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of course, she was big into the paranormal side, so

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that was a big part of the After Hours events. Always,

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you know, that was an annual thing. We kind of

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got away from it, but it wasn't... Honestly, it kind

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of got to be where it was more troubling than

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it was worth, but it's not about the people. It's

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not about the celebrities. Lexington, despite its reputation... is not

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that ghost hunter friendly. There are not that many places

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that at least can handle a fairly good-sized crowd for

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a public ghost hunt like that. We wore out the

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Kentucky Theater. We just absolutely got tired of going there.

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Some other places would do it if we paid them

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enough money. But anyway, so the opportunity arose a couple,

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three years ago. We found a new location that really

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wanted to work with us, and it has worked out great.

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So now it's something that we're back into. Every year,

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almost at random, we pick a couple of our paranormal celebrities.

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And they take a group of people in this place,

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ghost hunt for a couple of hours. Nothing fancy. And

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I've been on enough public ghost hunts. It's a meet

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and greet with the celebrity. You're not going to be

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exercising demons or anything like that. It's just a fun...

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But it does get... give you a, a, a look

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and into the history of some really great places, different

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places you go. And this place, um, gosh, the house,

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it's a house with a museum attached to it. And

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the house is a museum itself. And it was built

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back in the, I'm going to say early 1800s, late 1700s,

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been there forever, got a lot of history. And, um,

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so yeah, um, now Shane, of course, now we already

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had him on the docket. We were going to have, um, uh,

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Dave Schrader co-hosted with him. But Dave, and we knew this,

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Dave has a cruise, one of those celebrity cruises where

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you get to have cocktails on a cruise ship with

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a celebrity. He's got one booked a week after Scarefest.

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So we were going to rush him out Sunday. We

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knew that. He would be there part of the day Sunday.

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But then they changed his flight information, and he was

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going to have to leave like Saturday afternoon. And we said, no, Dave,

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we're not going to do that to the fans. We're

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not going to do that to you. We're not going

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to do it to the fans. So he had to cancel.

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And then Chris Booth, who does a lot of ghost stuff,

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he's big in the paranormal field. but he's never been

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big in the paranormal field with scare fest. And I said,

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this is a great opportunity to get Chris involved in,

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in that side of the con. And he jumped at

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it and the rest will be history.

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Yeah. I, you know, you mentioned Lexington not being very

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ghost hunter friendly, which surprises me when you, I mean,

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I think of Waverly Hill sanitarium, which is, That's probably

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the scariest place I've ever been in my life. That's Louisville.

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That's Louisville.

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Yeah, you're right.

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Yeah, I guess Lexington.

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We got nothing like that.

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Yeah, that's too far. Okay. Well, okay, this one, I

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saw this, Wes. I was delighted, and then I was

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bummed because I saw this one. Correct me if I'm wrong,

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I think this one sold out pretty quick. The Ice

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Scream social, because you guys.

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Yes, it sold out unbelievably fast.

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Yeah.

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But now, Of course, I don't know when this will

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be actually playing, but we actually are putting another showing.

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It'll be 25, 30 minutes after the first one starts.

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There'll be another showing starting. So we will have another

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theater with the same situation, just a little offset on

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the time. So there will be more tickets available for that.

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And God willing, it'll sell out too.

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I'm sure it will. As soon as I saw it,

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I was like, well, that's just going to be awesome because,

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you know, I'm a big fan of Killer Clowns from

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Outer Space. I know our co-host, Garrett Gibson, it's one

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of his all-time favorites. He's got them tattooed all over himself.

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Now, me? Okay, now, I agree with you on the movie.

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Love the movie. Everybody I've met from the movie is great.

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That being said, how am I going to put this

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and not get us all thrown off the air? You

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can tell there are women involved in the planning. Because, okay,

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ice cream social. Yeah. Okay, yeah, you're going to go

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up there, have an ice cream bar, and you can

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have ice cream. The celebs are going to do a

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Q & A and watch a movie. It's in a bar, people.

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So what you do is you go into the corner bar,

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get you that Kentucky bourbon, get that drink, and then

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head upstairs and have ice cream.

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I like where it says that.

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And to me, that just didn't sound appealing at all.

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I'll tell you what does sound appealing. Wes, I don't

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know if you've ever gone and done this. I'm sure

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you have. Axe throwin'. And you guys have a battle

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axes event.

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Yes, this, okay. Now, actually, I have not done it

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because I'm always busy when they do it. They do

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that as a launch event. I'm usually like setting up

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stuff in the convention center. The battle axes event was

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one of our most popular launch events. It was an

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annual thing. Basically, you get to go and you throw

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axes at targets with these killers, you know, Kane Hodder,

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Ari Mahaloff.

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Well, Felisa Rose is doing it, right? Felisa Rose is

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doing it too.

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Yes. She's been folded into it. Now the problem came

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when they moved, they built a new location and moved.

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The new location, A, was farther away than the old one,

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but main thing was, it just wasn't as conducive to

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our event.

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So we moved, Looked for other events. Besides, you know,

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it had ran a few years. We said, well, let's

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do something different. So we did something different. Well, this year,

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that particular event fell through as a launch event. So

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we said, well, what can we do? Well, let's revisit

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the axe throwing. We had contacted the axe throwing venue.

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They were excited to have us. They're giving us pretty

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much a big chunk of their space. And so it

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is back. But that's the story on that. It's something

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that we used to do, used to be very popular,

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and now we're bringing it back in the new location.

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Okay.

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One more thing, because Dave, we promised Wes, we're like, hey,

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how about next time you just come talk about an

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80s slasher movie with us? And we got him working

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for Scarefest.

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Right.

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But I got to mention this one because it's just

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too cool. Zombie School with Greg Nicotero.

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Now, this one I know very little about. You probably

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know as much about it as I do. Allegedly, Greg

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is going to stand in front of people and explain

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to them how you teach somebody to move like a zombie. Now,

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to me, that doesn't seem like that big of a stretch,

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you know, that it wouldn't take a professional. I'm sure

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they have certain standards on The Walking Dead. But now, see,

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to me, World War Z is much more challenging to

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be a zombie. That's where the fast ones were.

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That's because they're running, yeah. Yeah.

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Yeah. But, but yeah, that's it. It is what it is.

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I've not seen it. I'm not, I just know that's

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what he did. And apparently that is actually part of

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what they do. When you, if you're an extra on set,

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you don't just show up and say, Hey, you know, Hey,

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you in the blue shirt, you're a zombie. They actually

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take you through this little class to teach you how

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to be a good zombie.

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All right. Wes, when you're watching a zombie movie, do

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you prefer the, the classic, like the Romero lurching lumbering zombie,

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or do you, Or is it the World War Z

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28 days later, moving fast zombies?

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I don't want to have to worry about finding someone

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who's slower than me. Zombies are chasing me. No, no.

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I'm cool with the slow zombies. The ones that can't

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walk uphill very good. I used to do a presentation

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called Surviving the Zombie Apocalypse. And it was based around

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the thought of the Romero type zombie that you're a

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little faster than a little more agile than, and, and yeah,

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but no, the thought of these things running at me, no,

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I'm dead. Yeah. I smoked for 41 years. I still

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smoke cigars. No, I ain't got a chance.

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All right. Well, let's talk, let's get into Halloween too. Let's,

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let's talk a little bit. Three things you may not

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know about director Rick Rosenthal. I bet Wes is going

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to know a lot of these though, Dave, because he's

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Wes Forsyth. But interestingly enough, Rick met his wife, while

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filming Halloween 2. That is, of course, I'm talking about

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Nancy Stevens. And Dave, you want to tell the listeners

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who Nancy Stevens is?

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Who is Nancy Stevens?

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Marion.

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Marion. I know. I know.

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You know.

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I know who she is. She's Marion the nurse from

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the original Halloween.

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Yeah. I mean, you could say the Halloween franchise because

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she's in one. She's in two. She comes back.

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Halloween Kills. Halloween Kills.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And let's not forget, she played the stewardess terrorist in

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Escape from New York, beginning of it. She's giving the

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message about what they're doing with President Donald Pleasence. Rick

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Rosenthal is one of three directors to direct two or

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more Halloween films in the franchise. Rosenthal directed Halloween 2

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and Halloween Resurrection, while Rob Zombie, which, you know, I

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hate to mention it, Dave, but you know, we're going

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to be, we're going to, we're not going to skip over. Uh,

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we're gonna be fair. Uh, Rob Zombie directed his two

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reboot films. And then of course, David Gordon Green gives

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us the, the legacy trilogy. Uh, Wes, I know you're

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old school horror, but, uh, your thoughts, uh, quickly on, uh, the, the,

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the last three Halloween films that came out. Did you,

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did you catch them?

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I didn't even know. I watched the, no, no, the, the, the,

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the trilogy. No, honestly, I didn't. Okay, now, in my defense,

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you have to understand, I am the lead judge on

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the Scarefest Weekend Film Festival. I spend all summer watching

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horror films that you'll never hear of.

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Yeah.

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I mean, you'll find them on Tubi eventually.

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A lot of them.

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But so, in other words, yes, I watch my share

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of horror films, but I do not, I don't generally

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get to watch the those until they come out on

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streaming and I happen to have a guest that's going

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to be in that movie that was in that movie

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and so I watch it as research and that way

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my Netflix is like tax deductible.

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That's pretty smart. Hey, that's smart. One more thing about Rosenthal,

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he actually enjoys getting in front of the camera as

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well occasionally. He does small roles. You can see him

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playing the judge in 1983's Bad Boys which is one

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of my favorite movies when you're talking about prison movies.

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He's also playing a judge in 1984's Johnny Dangerously, which

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we covered years ago, Dave.

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Years ago.

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Years ago, but I don't know if it's just a

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thing that he likes playing judges, but you can catch

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him in front of the camera occasionally. We might have

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to ask him about that. What's the deal with playing judges?

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Because he'll be at Scarefest weekend in a couple weeks.

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Interestingly enough, I only found one quote. Wes, we always

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do a couple tidbits and a quote from the director.

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So there's a story, uh, Pamela, Susan Shoup, who plays

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nurse Karen in Halloween two, she's been on the record saying, Hey,

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you know, the, the, the nude scene was a little

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uncomfortable and, and, uh, the water was freezing cold. Me

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and me and Leo Rossi were having a hell of

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a time. And, uh, as far as she has a

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story where she says, like, you know, she challenged the

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crew to kind of strip down and make her feel

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a little more comfortable. And they just, they weren't having it. Uh,

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According to Rick, and we're going to have to fact

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check this in a couple of weeks here, Dave, because

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we're going to, we're going to meet the man. According

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to Rick, he says, quote, that's so not true. I

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directed that scene in a thong. So Pam is absolutely

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not telling the truth because it doesn't take much for

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me to take my clothes off. I was ready, willing

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and able. And so I challenged her version of that.

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I Rick Rosenthal in a thong, you know, Dave, you've

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directed some stuff. Would you ever put on a thong

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to make your lead actress a little more comfortable?

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No.

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That would be the most uncomfortable thing in my life,

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so I couldn't do it. Sorry.

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Wes, you're going for this, though. You're going to help

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her out, right?

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Yeah. And honestly, especially if it had been her.

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Well, yeah.

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See, I am in the mindset. I never grew up

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from high school. That's one thing you'll learn about me. Oh, yeah.

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We know that about you.

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I remember her from all of her TV parts. Yeah,

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the movie was fine and all that. I mean, I

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loved it. But I'm saying this woman was part of

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every young man's life of my age. We had seen

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her on BJ and the Bear. We had seen her

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on God knows what else.

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That's right.

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She was a heartthrob for us. So, yeah, if she told,

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if she, I mean, all she had to say was,

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I would prefer if you got naked. Yeah, I don't

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need to read that.

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All right. Five word synopsis. Dave, you and I, we've

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been having fun with this all season long. I love it. Wes,

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so here's what we've been doing. This season, we've been

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kind of celebrating the films. We've been celebrating anniversaries for

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the 20th and the 25th anniversaries of movies. And rather

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than give a long, drawn-out synopsis, because typically we cover

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underrated movies to kind of get the word out on things.

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But we've been hitting a lot of blockbusters this year.

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And Halloween 2, obviously, while it's not celebrating that kind

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of anniversary, everyone knows Halloween 2. So Rather than a long,

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drawn-out synopsis, the challenge, this game we've been playing, is

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tell us what Halloween 2 is using exactly five words. Dave,

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give us an example here. What is Halloween 2 all about?

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Michael Myers returns to kill.

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Okay. That's pretty basic.

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It is.

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Pretty straightforward.

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Yeah.

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You're cheating, though, because that could be Halloween 4, Halloween 5.

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It could be.

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It could be. Yeah.

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Wes, you want to take a stab at this?

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Sure.

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Sure.

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Gunshot victim seeks injured sister.

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Holy shit.

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Oh, wow.

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Gunshot victim seeks... Damn, okay.

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That's a good one.

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Damn. That's a damn good one. It's way better than

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what I came up with. I thought I had something clever.

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Mine's on the note. Okay, mine, I had shape stalks

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babysitter in hospital.

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That's a good one, too.

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Yeah, but, you know.

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No, Wes knocked it apart.

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Gunshot victim seeks... All right. Wes wins, uh, hands down.

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I don't even need to ask the listeners. Wes wins.

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All right. We're going to take a quick break. Uh,

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when we come back, we got more about scare fest.

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We got more about Halloween too. Welcome back. We got

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Wes Forsyth from scare fest weekend. He is here with us.

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We're talking about scare fest weekend. It's, uh, we're just

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a couple of weeks away. Uh, we're talking about Halloween too, uh,

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directed by Rick Rosenthal. Um, let's talk about both Wes.

461
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So I, I just couldn't believe you guys have pulled

462
00:23:06.940 --> 00:23:10.640
this off. I'm looking cause there's some, there's some big

463
00:23:10.680 --> 00:23:14.339
reunions happening. You guys are always fantastic for the reunions. Uh,

464
00:23:14.359 --> 00:23:16.500
you know, talking with you, you know, talking with Brandon,

465
00:23:16.519 --> 00:23:19.859
it's like, Hey, what if we could just have all

466
00:23:19.920 --> 00:23:21.980
the cast from one of our favorite horror films, get

467
00:23:22.000 --> 00:23:24.579
together in the same spot and get to meet them

468
00:23:24.619 --> 00:23:26.640
all at the same time and, and, and have a,

469
00:23:26.700 --> 00:23:28.059
have a good time. And you got the panels you

470
00:23:28.079 --> 00:23:30.950
guys do, uh, Dave, I'm thinking about the phantasm panel, uh.

471
00:23:31.769 --> 00:23:33.109
Good one.

472
00:23:33.230 --> 00:23:37.559
That we attended last year. That was so good. Halloween 2,

473
00:23:37.559 --> 00:23:40.299
it's no coincidence that we're talking about it because there

474
00:23:40.359 --> 00:23:47.220
is a massive Halloween 2 reunion happening. We've got Dick Warlock,

475
00:23:47.420 --> 00:23:53.190
Lance Guest, Leo Rossi, Adam Gunn, Anna Alicia, Dean Cundy,

476
00:23:54.529 --> 00:23:59.269
Gloria Gifford, Jeffrey Kramer, Nancy Stevens, Pamela Susan Shoup, and

477
00:23:59.410 --> 00:24:02.680
director Rick Rosenthal. And Wes, you guys have managed to

478
00:24:02.720 --> 00:24:06.470
get all of them together for us at Scarefest Weekend.

479
00:24:06.509 --> 00:24:08.410
How do you guys even do this stuff? I don't

480
00:24:08.430 --> 00:24:08.650
get it.

481
00:24:11.509 --> 00:24:14.329
Let's just say that as you get bigger, it gets easier.

482
00:24:15.089 --> 00:24:15.390
Okay.

483
00:24:15.549 --> 00:24:18.450
And you have more people to draw from. You have

484
00:24:18.470 --> 00:24:20.509
more agents to draw from. Because a lot of times,

485
00:24:20.910 --> 00:24:22.670
you'll find that a lot of these people that had

486
00:24:22.710 --> 00:24:26.130
a small part in a film, they're not at the

487
00:24:26.170 --> 00:24:29.430
top agents that we normally would deal with. They've ran

488
00:24:29.490 --> 00:24:32.829
into somebody at some Comic-Con in Louisiana, then let me

489
00:24:32.849 --> 00:24:35.470
be your agent. But, you know, eventually you do build

490
00:24:35.490 --> 00:24:38.980
that list up where you got contact with these people. Now,

491
00:24:39.019 --> 00:24:43.000
the fact that our owner, Brandon Griffith, is a complete

492
00:24:43.059 --> 00:24:48.599
and total horror nerd helps a lot. And he will

493
00:24:48.619 --> 00:24:51.190
go in and basically he'll pick a movie. And for

494
00:24:51.230 --> 00:24:54.230
whatever reason, I think this was an anniversary year for that.

495
00:24:55.470 --> 00:24:57.529
And he'll just go through the cast list and he'll

496
00:24:57.589 --> 00:25:01.309
reach out. to a bunch of our main agents and say, hey,

497
00:25:01.329 --> 00:25:03.279
do you have any of these people? Hey, and then

498
00:25:03.299 --> 00:25:04.660
a lot of times they say, no, but I know

499
00:25:04.700 --> 00:25:09.180
who does. And we just found out years ago that

500
00:25:10.759 --> 00:25:15.160
the hardcore horror fans love these big reunions. Yeah, it's

501
00:25:15.200 --> 00:25:17.480
a lot of money if you try to get everybody,

502
00:25:17.500 --> 00:25:20.279
but they like the idea of walking into a convention

503
00:25:20.299 --> 00:25:23.539
and and bringing that poster they've been holding onto for

504
00:25:23.539 --> 00:25:26.859
15 years and laying it down on the table and

505
00:25:26.980 --> 00:25:30.450
getting that little signatures filled in one weekend and not

506
00:25:30.470 --> 00:25:33.329
having to chase people across the country. Yeah.

507
00:25:33.450 --> 00:25:35.349
Well, I can attest to that because I did that

508
00:25:35.390 --> 00:25:38.190
with a fantastic two years ago, just went down the

509
00:25:38.230 --> 00:25:39.970
line and got everybody signed. And then last year, the

510
00:25:40.009 --> 00:25:43.259
monster squad, you know, I did that. I'm a huge,

511
00:25:43.390 --> 00:25:45.420
a huge fan of the monster squad. So I was excited. Plus,

512
00:25:45.799 --> 00:25:48.559
We're getting the director of Monster Squad this year at Scarefest.

513
00:25:48.579 --> 00:25:52.099
Yeah, you guys got Fred Decker coming. Man, the lineup's

514
00:25:52.119 --> 00:25:56.720
just insane. And Wes, for a first-timer, Dave and I,

515
00:25:57.119 --> 00:26:00.660
we've been coming to these things for years, but this

516
00:26:00.720 --> 00:26:03.470
is a chance for a fan. Like you said, bring

517
00:26:03.509 --> 00:26:07.549
that old poster. Bring that VHS box cover or the

518
00:26:07.710 --> 00:26:12.369
DVD or Blu-ray. You get the opportunity to meet the

519
00:26:12.410 --> 00:26:15.130
entire cast of They're going to sign an autograph for you.

520
00:26:15.160 --> 00:26:16.819
They'll probably take a picture with you. You've got the

521
00:26:16.859 --> 00:26:19.269
group photo ops, right, where you can kind of get

522
00:26:19.289 --> 00:26:23.089
the whole cast together. You guys set that up. It's

523
00:26:23.569 --> 00:26:26.250
like a dream come true for any horror fan, I

524
00:26:26.269 --> 00:26:26.750
would have to say.

525
00:26:26.769 --> 00:26:31.089
Well, you've got to remember, when Brandon really got into

526
00:26:31.109 --> 00:26:34.809
the convention, the first year he owned it, the poor guy,

527
00:26:34.849 --> 00:26:38.549
he was out of his depth. He worked at the convention,

528
00:26:38.910 --> 00:26:40.990
but he never owned anything like that, never tried to

529
00:26:41.079 --> 00:26:43.920
run anything like that. But as he got into it,

530
00:26:44.769 --> 00:26:47.750
he made up his mind. He wanted Scarefest to be

531
00:26:48.109 --> 00:26:51.390
the convention that he would want to go to. And

532
00:26:51.430 --> 00:26:55.990
being a hardcore horror fan, that's what it's become. But

533
00:26:56.089 --> 00:26:58.589
anything you see happen, like these reunions, the way the

534
00:26:58.630 --> 00:27:02.390
things are laid out, the entertainment, in his mind, he says,

535
00:27:02.509 --> 00:27:05.190
that's the convention that would make me want to fly

536
00:27:05.230 --> 00:27:08.190
to Texas. That's the convention that would make me go

537
00:27:08.230 --> 00:27:12.150
to Minnesota when I saw that. So that's it. It's

538
00:27:12.170 --> 00:27:14.930
all built around his vision of what we should be.

539
00:27:15.509 --> 00:27:18.250
And I'll take a little credit for it. He put

540
00:27:18.289 --> 00:27:20.670
together a pretty damn good team to make it happen.

541
00:27:21.190 --> 00:27:21.789
Hell yeah, I did.

542
00:27:21.930 --> 00:27:22.630
Hell yeah, I did.

543
00:27:23.509 --> 00:27:26.690
Well, I know Dave and I are excited for the

544
00:27:26.710 --> 00:27:30.910
Halloween 2 reunion, but I'm just looking, again, looking over

545
00:27:30.950 --> 00:27:36.109
the Scarefest Weekend website. You guys have assembled the largest

546
00:27:36.809 --> 00:27:40.849
assembly ever for the Evil Dead. I mean, I'm talking,

547
00:27:40.869 --> 00:27:43.309
you guys got everybody from Evil Dead, Evil Dead 2,

548
00:27:43.309 --> 00:27:47.009
Army of Darkness, the new movies, you know, the new

549
00:27:47.029 --> 00:27:49.250
trilogy that's out. I mean, and Sam Raimi.

550
00:27:49.650 --> 00:27:50.529
And the TV series.

551
00:27:50.789 --> 00:27:54.210
Yeah, and the TV series, and Fede Alvarez. If you,

552
00:27:55.009 --> 00:27:56.730
I'm starting to wonder, like, even if you work craft

553
00:27:56.759 --> 00:27:58.779
services on one of these movies, like, you're going to

554
00:27:58.799 --> 00:27:59.119
be there.

555
00:27:59.130 --> 00:28:02.779
I actually say that all the time, yeah. That's a

556
00:28:02.839 --> 00:28:05.940
running joke. He couldn't find the caterer, you know. Yeah.

557
00:28:07.450 --> 00:28:09.589
Well, in addition to that, you guys got a night–

558
00:28:09.750 --> 00:28:12.029
I'm so excited for this because you guys always bring

559
00:28:12.049 --> 00:28:15.789
Tom Atkins, who is just– he's a friend of the show.

560
00:28:15.829 --> 00:28:18.509
We love Tom. You guys got a Night of the

561
00:28:18.569 --> 00:28:21.450
Creeps reunion. So you got the whole cast coming back

562
00:28:21.490 --> 00:28:24.410
for that. We talked about the Killer Clowns from Outer Space.

563
00:28:24.670 --> 00:28:28.730
You've assembled that whole team. You've got the stars of Christine.

564
00:28:28.759 --> 00:28:31.890
You've got the stars of the Texas Chainsaw Massacre Part 2.

565
00:28:31.880 --> 00:28:35.819
You've got the Jeepers Creepers cast. And you guys even

566
00:28:35.839 --> 00:28:37.200
got the truck is what I saw.

567
00:28:38.529 --> 00:28:41.319
So yeah, we, uh, we get that truck in right

568
00:28:41.380 --> 00:28:44.380
now after we found it, we went to another convention

569
00:28:44.400 --> 00:28:48.019
and there it was. And, and, and, uh, we, he

570
00:28:48.039 --> 00:28:50.220
comes back about every two years now.

571
00:28:50.740 --> 00:28:52.700
Hmm. Well, I'll tell you the other one, like, uh,

572
00:28:53.900 --> 00:28:56.339
Garrett and I were talking about this, uh, a while back. Like,

573
00:28:56.839 --> 00:29:00.180
could you imagine if, if scare fest got, uh, you know,

574
00:29:00.200 --> 00:29:02.599
cause you guys always bring the evil dead group and

575
00:29:02.640 --> 00:29:04.359
we thought, what if he could get the, what if

576
00:29:04.380 --> 00:29:06.119
they got the Delta? What if they got the classic, uh,

577
00:29:06.980 --> 00:29:10.400
And you guys got the Delta. So it's just, it's insane. Like,

578
00:29:10.420 --> 00:29:13.990
you know, this is the Super Bowl of horror conventions

579
00:29:14.029 --> 00:29:17.970
as far as I'm concerned. Oh, there's no comparison. No, yeah.

580
00:29:18.069 --> 00:29:21.069
My question for you, Wes, you know, because, you know,

581
00:29:21.509 --> 00:29:24.890
you're there. You're the guy, you know, pulling all the strings,

582
00:29:24.910 --> 00:29:28.079
helping out. You're directing traffic. What do you love most

583
00:29:28.319 --> 00:29:30.890
about Scarefest? You know, because like a killer in an

584
00:29:30.890 --> 00:29:33.900
80s horror movie sequel that keeps coming back year after year.

585
00:29:33.900 --> 00:29:35.930
We can always count on you to be there. What's

586
00:29:35.930 --> 00:29:37.690
what's your favorite thing about scare fest.

587
00:29:38.359 --> 00:29:45.140
Paycheck that's why that's why i put up with what

588
00:29:45.180 --> 00:29:49.880
i put up with um seriously i mean i i'm

589
00:29:49.920 --> 00:29:52.369
a movie fan i'm not necessarily a horror movie fan

590
00:29:52.400 --> 00:29:54.150
i love a good horror movie and i've learned to

591
00:29:54.210 --> 00:29:57.130
love the bad ones too but i'm a movie fan

592
00:29:57.170 --> 00:29:58.789
i've always been a movie fan i love going to

593
00:29:58.809 --> 00:30:02.609
the movies I don't get into the minutiae of it generally,

594
00:30:03.130 --> 00:30:06.069
but I will say that I've been at Scarefest every

595
00:30:06.109 --> 00:30:08.799
year since the second year it was in business. I

596
00:30:08.819 --> 00:30:11.259
didn't know it existed the first year or it probably

597
00:30:11.299 --> 00:30:15.180
would have been there then. The vendors always knock my

598
00:30:15.220 --> 00:30:17.960
socks off. So make no doubt about it. I'm a

599
00:30:18.000 --> 00:30:20.680
vendor guy. I love shopping all that weird stuff that

600
00:30:20.720 --> 00:30:24.529
shows up on the floor, all the memorability, all the masks,

601
00:30:25.069 --> 00:30:30.049
all the special Halloween special stuff. That's my passion. So

602
00:30:30.150 --> 00:30:31.690
but but, you know, at the end of the day,

603
00:30:32.029 --> 00:30:33.690
if they quit paying me, I might skip a year.

604
00:30:33.730 --> 00:30:34.059
Who knows?

605
00:30:35.099 --> 00:30:37.720
I'll tell you, you mentioned the love for the vendors. Dave,

606
00:30:37.740 --> 00:30:42.640
you remember we met last year, the mini shop of horrors,

607
00:30:44.619 --> 00:30:49.990
this incredible artist who creates these miniatures. And Wes, we

608
00:30:50.009 --> 00:30:52.029
were just we were blown away. We're like, let's interview.

609
00:30:52.529 --> 00:30:55.910
Let's interview the mini shop of horrors. So listeners, if

610
00:30:55.950 --> 00:30:57.890
you haven't if you haven't seen their work, I'll put

611
00:30:58.069 --> 00:31:00.650
I'll put a link to them. in the show notes, but, uh,

612
00:31:00.789 --> 00:31:03.750
just incredible, incredible work that they do. It's like, it's

613
00:31:03.769 --> 00:31:06.630
like full sets from some of your favorite horror films,

614
00:31:06.730 --> 00:31:08.759
but they're, they'll fit in like the palm of your

615
00:31:08.779 --> 00:31:12.980
hand and the detail and like talking, talking with her. Um,

616
00:31:13.539 --> 00:31:15.960
you know, she's like, Hey, that's actual, that's actual shingle

617
00:31:16.380 --> 00:31:19.500
material that's on the roof of this, of this. And

618
00:31:19.539 --> 00:31:20.940
I'm like, how do you, yeah, I don't know how

619
00:31:20.980 --> 00:31:23.880
you do it, but Wes, uh, definitely, definitely love that

620
00:31:23.900 --> 00:31:26.569
you're shouting out the vendors. Cause they, The show, I

621
00:31:26.589 --> 00:31:28.630
don't know if the show is even half as good.

622
00:31:28.650 --> 00:31:30.440
I mean, listen, I love meeting all the celebrities and

623
00:31:30.460 --> 00:31:32.099
the directors and seeing what you guys do for us.

624
00:31:32.119 --> 00:31:35.539
But without those vendors, it's just.

625
00:31:35.460 --> 00:31:41.400
Not as fun. Then it becomes a niche event. Basically,

626
00:31:41.420 --> 00:31:45.529
that's one thing that's hard to express to people. Because

627
00:31:45.569 --> 00:31:49.789
it gets into, oh, I don't go for autographs. I

628
00:31:49.809 --> 00:31:51.849
don't want to spend a bunch of money. From the

629
00:31:51.950 --> 00:31:54.160
time you walk in the door, there is so much

630
00:31:54.220 --> 00:31:57.599
going on. I'm kind of leaning towards just starting to

631
00:31:57.619 --> 00:32:00.339
call it a big Halloween party. Because you can walk

632
00:32:00.380 --> 00:32:02.500
in the door and unless you get hungry, you don't

633
00:32:02.519 --> 00:32:05.960
have to spend another penny all day. And there will

634
00:32:05.980 --> 00:32:09.700
be plenty for you to do to celebrate the season,

635
00:32:09.759 --> 00:32:10.259
as they say.

636
00:32:10.279 --> 00:32:15.640
Yeah. Let's talk about Jamie Lee Curtis. She is reprising

637
00:32:15.779 --> 00:32:21.779
the role of Laurie Strode here. You know, I'll be

638
00:32:21.819 --> 00:32:24.599
fair because I love Jamie Lee. We all love Jamie Lee,

639
00:32:24.619 --> 00:32:26.640
but man, you know, yeah. I remember this is a

640
00:32:26.660 --> 00:32:29.759
time where she has, she's cut her hair off. Right.

641
00:32:30.200 --> 00:32:32.619
She's got the famous Jamie Lee haircut. So they got

642
00:32:32.640 --> 00:32:34.099
this wig on her to make her look like she

643
00:32:34.119 --> 00:32:37.339
does in the first movie. And, you know, I think

644
00:32:37.359 --> 00:32:39.099
we could have put a little bit extra money on that,

645
00:32:39.500 --> 00:32:41.720
that wig just to, just to help her out. But

646
00:32:41.960 --> 00:32:43.680
you know what, Dave, what, what your thoughts on Jamie

647
00:32:43.720 --> 00:32:45.329
Lee's performance in this? Cause I know half, I mean,

648
00:32:45.369 --> 00:32:47.309
she's gotta be, she may like catatonic half of the

649
00:32:47.329 --> 00:32:49.829
movie and then she'll come to to fight him off.

650
00:32:49.950 --> 00:32:51.329
But what'd you think of Jamie Lee?

651
00:32:51.880 --> 00:32:54.099
I mean, I thought she did a fantastic job picking

652
00:32:54.160 --> 00:32:56.460
up where, you know, this is the same night, obviously,

653
00:32:56.539 --> 00:32:59.700
is the first Halloween. So, you know, the wig thing, yeah,

654
00:32:59.819 --> 00:33:02.299
I can kind of let that go because I know

655
00:33:02.319 --> 00:33:05.049
they were probably under a budget constraint, not nearly like

656
00:33:05.089 --> 00:33:08.049
they were for the first Halloween because that was only, what, $ 500, 000?

657
00:33:07.930 --> 00:33:08.250
Yeah.

658
00:33:09.210 --> 00:33:10.490
So I'm sure they had a little bit more budget

659
00:33:10.529 --> 00:33:10.910
this time.

660
00:33:11.430 --> 00:33:12.309
They're up to $ 2. 5 million.

661
00:33:12.309 --> 00:33:12.440
$ 2.

662
00:33:12.309 --> 00:33:14.710
5 million, right. They're going to get for this one.

663
00:33:15.119 --> 00:33:17.019
So, yeah, a little bit more budget. But, you know,

664
00:33:17.039 --> 00:33:19.420
I thought she did a fantastic job. I mean, the

665
00:33:19.440 --> 00:33:22.920
mere fact that she was catatonic in a lot in

666
00:33:22.940 --> 00:33:26.539
this situation. And moving around the hospital like she does, injured,

667
00:33:26.880 --> 00:33:29.539
or acting like she's injured anyway, I thought she did

668
00:33:29.559 --> 00:33:30.470
a fantastic job with it.

669
00:33:31.359 --> 00:33:37.309
Wes, she's 22 years old, filming this, and she's on

670
00:33:37.329 --> 00:33:40.069
a real run here to cement herself as the ultimate

671
00:33:40.089 --> 00:33:42.569
scream queen, because she's got Halloween in 1978, The Fog,

672
00:33:42.609 --> 00:33:48.109
Prom Night, and Terror Train in 1980, Road Games in 1981,

673
00:33:50.630 --> 00:33:56.559
And then Halloween 2, also in 81. I mean, she's

674
00:33:56.579 --> 00:33:57.140
the queen, right?

675
00:33:58.359 --> 00:34:00.740
Okay, I'm going to grant you that yes, she is,

676
00:34:00.779 --> 00:34:04.579
but I wonder if it's by default. I never, okay.

677
00:34:04.599 --> 00:34:06.819
And part of this is because she says she will

678
00:34:06.859 --> 00:34:08.679
not do horror conventions. Okay?

679
00:34:09.559 --> 00:34:10.059
Oh, no.

680
00:34:10.159 --> 00:34:12.980
And I've even heard interviews where she says she's not

681
00:34:13.019 --> 00:34:16.820
a particularly big fan of the genre. Wow. Now, I

682
00:34:17.059 --> 00:34:19.699
don't want to put her down or anything. Yeah. But

683
00:34:19.860 --> 00:34:22.300
if this woman would do Scarefest weekend or any of

684
00:34:22.320 --> 00:34:25.019
the big top five like us, she could buy a

685
00:34:25.059 --> 00:34:28.300
small island. Yeah. Or give it to charity or do whatever.

686
00:34:29.019 --> 00:34:34.909
So I think that she just... Okay, this was practically

687
00:34:34.949 --> 00:34:37.070
the first movie, big movie, I guess, that she was

688
00:34:37.130 --> 00:34:38.010
even in, wasn't it?

689
00:34:38.409 --> 00:34:38.690
Yeah.

690
00:34:39.090 --> 00:34:42.210
This is it. So I think she lucked into something

691
00:34:42.230 --> 00:34:45.489
that she's good at as far as being an actress.

692
00:34:45.889 --> 00:34:47.530
But if you also look back at her career, yes,

693
00:34:47.570 --> 00:34:49.449
she did do all the... But she did lots of

694
00:34:49.510 --> 00:34:52.610
other stuff too. So in other words, I never felt

695
00:34:52.650 --> 00:34:55.280
like she just took the genre and ran with it.

696
00:34:55.789 --> 00:34:58.670
I just looked at it as the genre ran with her.

697
00:34:59.989 --> 00:35:00.510
Oh, I like that.

698
00:35:00.530 --> 00:35:01.809
That's a good way of looking at it.

699
00:35:02.010 --> 00:35:07.659
I'm holding out, Faith, because you take a look earlier

700
00:35:07.699 --> 00:35:10.800
this year, Kurt Russell does his very first con when

701
00:35:10.840 --> 00:35:15.579
he does Fan Expo Chicago. And he's famously not been like,

702
00:35:15.659 --> 00:35:18.570
I'm not doing the interviews and the You know, the

703
00:35:18.780 --> 00:35:21.800
autographs and the photos and all that stuff. And by

704
00:35:21.820 --> 00:35:24.179
all accounts, he has a hell of a good time.

705
00:35:24.340 --> 00:35:26.179
John Carpenter was there with him, so I know that

706
00:35:26.500 --> 00:35:29.079
had to work some magic for him. But I don't know.

707
00:35:29.559 --> 00:35:32.760
She might say that now, but I'm not– I wouldn't

708
00:35:32.780 --> 00:35:35.969
be surprised. I hope she does. I wouldn't be surprised

709
00:35:36.110 --> 00:35:37.670
if you got like Scarefest 20.

710
00:35:37.670 --> 00:35:40.130
I hope with all my heart that I get to

711
00:35:40.170 --> 00:35:41.329
meet the lady. I really do.

712
00:35:41.349 --> 00:35:41.469
Yeah.

713
00:35:42.219 --> 00:35:45.000
Because she's been in outside of horror. She's been in

714
00:35:45.039 --> 00:35:46.840
a lot of movies that I have loved.

715
00:35:46.860 --> 00:35:49.860
Yeah. I got a spot on my Halloween poster for her.

716
00:35:50.909 --> 00:35:57.449
Yeah. Well, Wes, Donald Pleasence, were you, you know, I mean,

717
00:35:58.710 --> 00:36:01.929
brilliant actor. He's, you know, when he does Halloween, he's

718
00:36:01.969 --> 00:36:05.250
coming off like a monster career. Were you surprised that

719
00:36:05.590 --> 00:36:08.849
he took a role like this and kept the character going? Yeah.

720
00:36:11.179 --> 00:36:12.980
No, I don't know enough about it to say, oh,

721
00:36:13.059 --> 00:36:15.929
I was surprised. I will say he absolutely nailed it.

722
00:36:16.500 --> 00:36:16.980
Oh, yeah.

723
00:36:17.019 --> 00:36:20.349
As a matter of fact. And that's something about this movie,

724
00:36:21.829 --> 00:36:26.150
in part two, you can tell that everybody's, the sheriff

725
00:36:26.210 --> 00:36:28.530
or whatever you want to call him, saying, you turned

726
00:36:28.570 --> 00:36:28.909
him loose.

727
00:36:29.690 --> 00:36:29.929
Yeah.

728
00:36:29.989 --> 00:36:33.380
You could actually feel his frustration. You know, I didn't

729
00:36:33.440 --> 00:36:36.760
do that. I wanted him buried in concrete.

730
00:36:36.780 --> 00:36:37.920
Yeah.

731
00:36:38.630 --> 00:36:41.309
So yeah, but yeah, he absolutely nailed it. You could

732
00:36:41.409 --> 00:36:47.849
feel without going over the top with anything. Although, although

733
00:36:47.949 --> 00:36:51.050
now this is probably a director thing. That line, I

734
00:36:51.090 --> 00:36:54.110
shot him six times. Yeah. Jerry, stop and count them bullets.

735
00:36:54.210 --> 00:36:55.489
Did you count the bullets?

736
00:36:55.590 --> 00:36:56.070
It's seven.

737
00:36:56.130 --> 00:36:57.639
Yeah. Yeah.

738
00:36:58.570 --> 00:36:59.630
What's Charles Cypress?

739
00:36:59.650 --> 00:37:00.210
You missed.

740
00:37:00.269 --> 00:37:03.619
I think you missed. I shot him six times. He's

741
00:37:03.679 --> 00:37:04.480
not human.

742
00:37:05.900 --> 00:37:08.619
But my problem was with the, because I am a

743
00:37:09.039 --> 00:37:11.579
big critic of the magic gun when I see it

744
00:37:11.619 --> 00:37:14.019
in a movie, like especially shotguns, they rack it and

745
00:37:14.039 --> 00:37:17.030
it just keeps shooting. And I've never owned one that

746
00:37:17.050 --> 00:37:18.230
would shoot over four shots.

747
00:37:18.750 --> 00:37:21.010
Yeah, no, they don't think that.

748
00:37:21.030 --> 00:37:24.210
So anytime I see a revolver, I don't pay much

749
00:37:24.230 --> 00:37:27.090
attention to automatics. But yeah, when I see a revolver,

750
00:37:27.159 --> 00:37:27.590
I count.

751
00:37:28.400 --> 00:37:30.929
Yeah.

752
00:37:30.929 --> 00:37:32.010
92.

753
00:37:32.010 --> 00:37:36.010
It's funny you mention just the frustration he has when

754
00:37:36.230 --> 00:37:38.969
Brackett's like, you let him out. And he's like, no,

755
00:37:39.210 --> 00:37:43.239
I wanted him– it starts with this movie, but over

756
00:37:43.260 --> 00:37:46.480
the course of the rest of the franchise, that's like

757
00:37:46.519 --> 00:37:49.179
the trope where the sheriff is like, damn you for

758
00:37:49.199 --> 00:37:51.650
letting him out. Mm-hmm. it's like Loomis is like the

759
00:37:51.690 --> 00:37:54.760
customer service rep for dealing with all the shitty customers that,

760
00:37:54.920 --> 00:37:56.559
you know, he's like, I didn't sell it. I'm just,

761
00:37:56.579 --> 00:37:59.000
you know, I don't know where your package is, but

762
00:37:59.880 --> 00:38:03.039
you lost it, you know? So I love, I think Wes,

763
00:38:03.059 --> 00:38:05.739
you're right. He's, he's awesome at this. Dave, I know

764
00:38:05.780 --> 00:38:06.639
you're a big Loomis guy.

765
00:38:06.880 --> 00:38:10.440
My understanding is, uh, is it Peter Cushing and Christopher

766
00:38:10.480 --> 00:38:12.739
Lee both were up for the role of Donald Pleasant,

767
00:38:12.800 --> 00:38:15.780
well for Dr. Loomis, but Donald Pleasant took the role.

768
00:38:16.840 --> 00:38:22.960
And years later, um, Christopher Lee ran into John Carpenter

769
00:38:23.280 --> 00:38:26.159
and told him he made a vital mistake of not

770
00:38:26.260 --> 00:38:27.320
taking the role of Dr.

771
00:38:27.360 --> 00:38:27.579
Loomis.

772
00:38:27.639 --> 00:38:30.079
But the fact that he didn't get it, and I'm

773
00:38:30.099 --> 00:38:32.139
sure he would have done a good job. Donald Pleasance

774
00:38:32.380 --> 00:38:33.639
is brilliant as Dr.

775
00:38:33.679 --> 00:38:35.849
Loomis. He proved that to us in.

776
00:38:35.809 --> 00:38:38.489
The first Halloween. And in this one, he just takes

777
00:38:38.530 --> 00:38:42.710
the role even further and just embodies him. And without that,

778
00:38:43.849 --> 00:38:46.849
you know, we wouldn't have the Loomis that we love today, right?

779
00:38:46.909 --> 00:38:47.360
We wouldn't.

780
00:38:48.280 --> 00:38:52.659
And, you know, he takes it as a a personal issue.

781
00:38:52.719 --> 00:38:54.869
The fact that he's responsible for this and he knows it.

782
00:38:55.320 --> 00:38:56.570
Any guy that could have just got to go, you

783
00:38:56.590 --> 00:38:58.929
know what? F this, I'm gone. This is your problem.

784
00:38:59.110 --> 00:38:59.789
I'm out of here.

785
00:39:00.349 --> 00:39:02.369
He does it. He takes ownership of it and goes

786
00:39:02.489 --> 00:39:02.889
after him.

787
00:39:03.469 --> 00:39:05.949
I like that, that Christopher Lee puts some respect on,

788
00:39:06.150 --> 00:39:09.250
on his decision not to do it. But truthfully, I

789
00:39:09.289 --> 00:39:11.449
don't care. You name any, I don't care if it's

790
00:39:11.800 --> 00:39:13.900
Sir Alec Guinness. I don't care if it's Lawrence Olivier.

791
00:39:14.000 --> 00:39:17.500
I don't care who it is at the time. I'm,

792
00:39:17.619 --> 00:39:20.440
I'm going Donald Pleasance every time. I just, it's his role,

793
00:39:20.760 --> 00:39:23.840
you know, I mean, with all due respect to Malcolm McDowell,

794
00:39:24.090 --> 00:39:28.250
who did it in the zombie movies, he's not Donald Pleasence.

795
00:39:28.670 --> 00:39:28.829
Nope.

796
00:39:29.030 --> 00:39:29.690
Not even close.

797
00:39:32.639 --> 00:39:37.280
Wes, when we talk about Lance Guest, I love him

798
00:39:37.320 --> 00:39:41.920
as Jimmy, but I also love him as a Brody

799
00:39:42.219 --> 00:39:47.840
in Jaws the Revenge. He's the last starfighter. He's pretty

800
00:39:47.860 --> 00:39:50.820
much unknown at this point, right? Because He gets The

801
00:39:50.840 --> 00:39:55.579
Last Starfighter to hear it from Nick Castle. He casts

802
00:39:55.619 --> 00:39:57.130
him in The Last Starfighter because he watched him in

803
00:39:57.150 --> 00:40:01.449
Halloween II. Are you a Jimmy fan? No.

804
00:40:02.829 --> 00:40:08.190
Now, all the movies you named, I'm fans of those movies.

805
00:40:08.510 --> 00:40:09.679
Yeah.

806
00:40:10.030 --> 00:40:12.500
I guess because I've been so close to this so long,

807
00:40:14.059 --> 00:40:17.260
occasionally there's that actor that just nobody else could play

808
00:40:17.280 --> 00:40:23.110
that part. Granted. But I've seen actors do such good

809
00:40:23.190 --> 00:40:27.989
jobs that nowadays I'm sitting there and another thing, we're

810
00:40:28.010 --> 00:40:30.949
a group in TV in the 80s. You know, if

811
00:40:30.989 --> 00:40:36.659
so-and-so died of a drug overdose, they'd walk somebody else

812
00:40:36.739 --> 00:40:40.699
in and took over the part. And sometimes for better,

813
00:40:40.780 --> 00:40:43.639
sometimes for worse. So it's very rare that I think, oh,

814
00:40:43.699 --> 00:40:46.550
that's the only person that could possibly play that part.

815
00:40:47.210 --> 00:40:47.690
Okay.

816
00:40:47.710 --> 00:40:50.030
So I don't get into that too much. Now, you know,

817
00:40:51.489 --> 00:40:54.989
I'm also kind of guilty. I become the biggest fans

818
00:40:55.050 --> 00:40:57.949
of the ones that come on my show when they

819
00:40:57.989 --> 00:40:59.530
come on my Friday night show and I get to

820
00:40:59.570 --> 00:41:02.170
talk to them. That's the ones I become big fans of.

821
00:41:02.590 --> 00:41:03.150
Sure.

822
00:41:03.469 --> 00:41:03.690
Yeah.

823
00:41:03.769 --> 00:41:06.070
You know, just because you're in a movie, you give

824
00:41:06.090 --> 00:41:07.179
me enough money, I'll be in a movie.

825
00:41:09.880 --> 00:41:12.219
Well, talk about someone walking in and taking the role.

826
00:41:13.360 --> 00:41:18.300
You know, the shape takes a new form here. dick

827
00:41:18.340 --> 00:41:23.690
warlock who legendary uh and he's a legend in the

828
00:41:23.730 --> 00:41:25.630
business one of the greatest stuntmen as far as i'm

829
00:41:25.650 --> 00:41:28.349
concerned he's kurt russell's double for most of his career

830
00:41:29.309 --> 00:41:31.280
uh dave we've met him a couple times just a

831
00:41:31.559 --> 00:41:37.000
fantastic gentleman great guy so warlock you know castle castle's

832
00:41:37.039 --> 00:41:40.590
moving on right warlock shows up to the audition he

833
00:41:40.659 --> 00:41:44.110
sees the mass sitting on a table snags it puts

834
00:41:44.150 --> 00:41:47.869
it on and just stands in rick rosenthal's doorway of

835
00:41:47.909 --> 00:41:51.309
the office and rosenthal's like oh hey can i help

836
00:41:51.329 --> 00:41:54.800
you who are you and this guy gambles on just

837
00:41:54.889 --> 00:41:57.719
staying silent and doesn't say a word to him kind

838
00:41:57.760 --> 00:42:00.820
of amps rosenthal up you know what do you want

839
00:42:00.980 --> 00:42:02.480
and then he then he takes the mask off and

840
00:42:02.500 --> 00:42:04.840
says well i want the part of michael myers you

841
00:42:04.880 --> 00:42:09.309
know um I say what you will. Cause you know,

842
00:42:09.329 --> 00:42:11.429
we've again, Nick Castle is a legend. We've met him

843
00:42:11.710 --> 00:42:14.329
plenty of times. He's a, he's a great guy, but

844
00:42:14.369 --> 00:42:18.309
I love, I love warlocks. Michael, am I alone here?

845
00:42:19.690 --> 00:42:24.710
Not at all. To me, we're watching him. Okay. Not

846
00:42:24.750 --> 00:42:26.800
saying it's a great stretch for any actor to do it.

847
00:42:26.949 --> 00:42:28.840
I'm just not going to go there, but I am

848
00:42:28.880 --> 00:42:31.559
going to say he just like that. What did the

849
00:42:31.579 --> 00:42:35.440
story just told? You could tell watching him. He got it. Yeah.

850
00:42:35.500 --> 00:42:39.650
He understood. He understood the character. His movements in the

851
00:42:39.670 --> 00:42:46.829
whole film, they felt like that's the description of Michael Myers.

852
00:42:47.369 --> 00:42:49.699
I felt like he wasn't doing anything outside of it.

853
00:42:50.110 --> 00:42:53.909
He wasn't stretching. But I'm saying he got it. Much

854
00:42:53.969 --> 00:42:57.070
more than the dude in the first movie.

855
00:42:57.789 --> 00:43:02.760
Oh, you're saying you're going warlock over castle. That's a

856
00:43:02.780 --> 00:43:04.079
bold statement. I will.

857
00:43:04.469 --> 00:43:05.449
It might be, but okay.

858
00:43:05.650 --> 00:43:06.369
That is a hot take.

859
00:43:06.510 --> 00:43:11.030
Wow. I just, I just didn't, I did not feel,

860
00:43:11.710 --> 00:43:13.889
I'm not saying it was good or bad, but I

861
00:43:13.929 --> 00:43:17.920
think what threw me when I used the original scene

862
00:43:17.940 --> 00:43:21.000
to start the movie off, I just didn't like the

863
00:43:21.019 --> 00:43:24.139
way it moved. There were times, there were times I

864
00:43:24.179 --> 00:43:25.539
did not like the way Castle moved.

865
00:43:26.539 --> 00:43:30.219
Okay. Wes, you talk about how the movie begins with

866
00:43:30.320 --> 00:43:33.630
like the last 10 minutes of the first one. I

867
00:43:33.670 --> 00:43:36.929
happen to love this trope. I mean, the Rocky franchise

868
00:43:36.949 --> 00:43:41.539
was famous for it. I love that the Halloween movie

869
00:43:41.980 --> 00:43:46.260
did it after Rocky II. Or was it before? No,

870
00:43:47.420 --> 00:43:51.480
it was after. Rocky II was like, what, 79, Dave? Yeah.

871
00:43:51.519 --> 00:43:54.219
I love the fact that we're seeing it play out.

872
00:43:54.239 --> 00:43:56.949
I think it kind of– especially this happens the same night.

873
00:43:57.489 --> 00:43:58.289
I love that they– Oh, yeah.

874
00:43:58.369 --> 00:44:00.409
It definitely added to the continuity.

875
00:44:01.550 --> 00:44:01.750
Yeah. Yeah.

876
00:44:02.260 --> 00:44:04.539
Matter of fact, that's a little side story. That's what

877
00:44:04.559 --> 00:44:07.260
I remember when I watched Halloween 3. Like, what the

878
00:44:07.280 --> 00:44:10.789
hell happened? Where's Michael? I'm not saying it's a bad movie.

879
00:44:11.030 --> 00:44:12.949
I'm just saying, I went there thinking, okay, you know,

880
00:44:13.230 --> 00:44:16.309
I've seen these two movies. Yeah. What is this?

881
00:44:17.769 --> 00:44:19.710
I think that's what separates this one from a lot

882
00:44:19.730 --> 00:44:21.449
of other horror movies is the fact that this takes

883
00:44:21.489 --> 00:44:24.699
place exactly the same night as the first one. Because

884
00:44:24.719 --> 00:44:27.820
not too many movies do that with their sequel. You know,

885
00:44:27.840 --> 00:44:31.679
it's years later or whatever. Right. Um, so I think

886
00:44:31.699 --> 00:44:34.739
that's why this one sits in my mind, uh, more

887
00:44:34.780 --> 00:44:36.500
than any other sequel for horror movies.

888
00:44:36.539 --> 00:44:39.119
Anyway, I'm going to, I'm going to back Wes up

889
00:44:39.159 --> 00:44:40.739
here just a little bit. I'm gonna give him some

890
00:44:40.780 --> 00:44:44.119
support when it comes to warlock, uh, you know, now,

891
00:44:44.320 --> 00:44:47.210
obviously the mask is iconic and it's scary as hell,

892
00:44:48.309 --> 00:44:52.510
but there's something about the fact the way it looks

893
00:44:53.090 --> 00:44:55.030
in Halloween too, because you gotta remember, this is the

894
00:44:55.090 --> 00:45:00.929
exact same mask and it, Well, Nick Castle famously would

895
00:45:01.130 --> 00:45:03.250
keep it jammed in his back pocket in between takes.

896
00:45:03.889 --> 00:45:07.380
And then Deborah Hill has it, what, she stuffs it

897
00:45:07.400 --> 00:45:10.099
under the bed? Under the bed, yeah. Yeah, for like

898
00:45:10.139 --> 00:45:14.139
two years where it just collects dust and cigarette smoke

899
00:45:14.179 --> 00:45:17.619
and kind of gets yellowed, gets a little weathered. Well,

900
00:45:18.409 --> 00:45:21.070
we also got to remember that in 1981, Dick Warlock,

901
00:45:21.630 --> 00:45:24.030
he's got a little bit more size than Nick Castle.

902
00:45:24.690 --> 00:45:27.090
So the mask is kind of flexed a little bit

903
00:45:27.250 --> 00:45:28.989
like the neck. You could definitely see it on the neck.

904
00:45:29.050 --> 00:45:32.230
Like it looks like Michael's been hitting the gym and

905
00:45:32.250 --> 00:45:34.360
there's just something scarier. I don't know what it is,

906
00:45:34.409 --> 00:45:37.119
but to see warlocks, like the whites of his eyes

907
00:45:38.059 --> 00:45:41.019
where we're used to seeing just like that pitch black, right?

908
00:45:41.179 --> 00:45:44.920
Nothing is there. Something about seeing those eyes. It makes

909
00:45:44.940 --> 00:45:46.780
it a little more terrifying in my opinion.

910
00:45:47.239 --> 00:45:47.519
I agree.

911
00:45:48.280 --> 00:45:48.920
Yeah.

912
00:45:49.019 --> 00:45:51.989
I think his movements down in the hallway are, which

913
00:45:52.050 --> 00:45:54.449
is absolutely incredible how he's just haunting and looking around

914
00:45:54.469 --> 00:45:58.190
the hall at the hospital, obviously for Lord. And it just,

915
00:45:59.650 --> 00:46:01.510
I almost want to agree with Wes on this, but

916
00:46:01.570 --> 00:46:04.610
I can't because I love Nick Castle too much, but

917
00:46:05.090 --> 00:46:07.420
you know, Dick Worley still does an amazing job. So

918
00:46:07.440 --> 00:46:09.179
I'm going to put them pretty close to each other.

919
00:46:09.860 --> 00:46:11.780
What I love the fact is the fact we see

920
00:46:11.840 --> 00:46:14.119
the ending of the first one is the beginning of

921
00:46:14.159 --> 00:46:18.860
the second one. And then you see that footage, right?

922
00:46:19.039 --> 00:46:21.659
That's Nick Castle and, And then when it picks up

923
00:46:21.699 --> 00:46:25.400
with Dick Warlock, you don't see the difference. At least

924
00:46:25.519 --> 00:46:27.460
I don't. It blends beautifully.

925
00:46:27.860 --> 00:46:32.599
Yeah. And he spends half the production, he's asking for

926
00:46:32.639 --> 00:46:36.820
feedback from Debra Hill about his movement. And she's like, yeah, dude,

927
00:46:36.840 --> 00:46:41.829
you're fine. We're good. But you've got to love the

928
00:46:41.869 --> 00:46:45.670
fact that he puts so much into the performance. Because

929
00:46:45.710 --> 00:46:48.670
anyone can lumber along in a mask. And I think

930
00:46:48.730 --> 00:46:51.510
people forget it takes some real effort, you know, it

931
00:46:51.550 --> 00:46:53.960
takes some real acting, you know, I look like Kane

932
00:46:53.980 --> 00:46:57.300
Hodder's Jason. I've, I've looked, Dave, we've met, I think

933
00:46:57.320 --> 00:47:01.409
we've met every Jason besides maybe Ted Hill or Ted White. Yeah. Um,

934
00:47:01.480 --> 00:47:05.380
and you know, they're all, well, thanks to Scarefest, we

935
00:47:05.400 --> 00:47:09.820
got to meet them all, but, um, you know, there's, there's,

936
00:47:09.940 --> 00:47:13.869
there's some real, there's that physical acting. I think it's, it's, it's, uh,

937
00:47:13.949 --> 00:47:16.769
it's overlooked sometimes. And I happen to love it. Wes

938
00:47:16.829 --> 00:47:20.599
is winning me over. I'm, I'm, you know, I apologize

939
00:47:20.639 --> 00:47:24.550
if Nick's listening to this, but Warlock's pretty damn good

940
00:47:24.570 --> 00:47:24.829
in this.

941
00:47:24.969 --> 00:47:27.010
He'll stick Michael Meowster on you. You better be careful.

942
00:47:27.030 --> 00:47:32.869
Oh, yeah, his cat. Michael Meowster, yeah. Wes, when you

943
00:47:32.889 --> 00:47:38.210
look at this cast, any fun stories that you have

944
00:47:38.309 --> 00:47:41.170
about any of them over the years with Scarefest that

945
00:47:41.230 --> 00:47:42.090
you can share?

946
00:47:42.110 --> 00:47:47.260
Honestly, the answer is no. The backstory is the good part.

947
00:47:47.739 --> 00:47:51.869
I mentioned... I had a business meeting with some scarefest

948
00:47:51.889 --> 00:47:54.489
people and I said, yeah, they gave me a show

949
00:47:54.550 --> 00:47:57.869
outline and they let me know some of the harder questions.

950
00:47:57.929 --> 00:48:00.880
So much nicer than when I was on another podcast

951
00:48:01.199 --> 00:48:03.840
that asked me about the goddamn soundtrack. And I don't

952
00:48:03.880 --> 00:48:09.019
remember the damn thing anyway. But I like I've interviewed

953
00:48:09.079 --> 00:48:11.059
Leo Rossi perfectly. Great guy.

954
00:48:11.480 --> 00:48:12.099
Yeah.

955
00:48:12.639 --> 00:48:15.090
Now, you know, but they said, well, you know, Dick Warlock.

956
00:48:15.150 --> 00:48:18.719
I said, no, I've walked past his table. I'm at

957
00:48:18.739 --> 00:48:22.460
Scarefest weekend. I'm working five days in a row for

958
00:48:22.519 --> 00:48:27.099
Scarefest weekend. I don't get to meet these people. So yeah.

959
00:48:27.119 --> 00:48:27.559
So yeah.

960
00:48:27.599 --> 00:48:29.079
And if they don't come on the show, I don't.

961
00:48:29.440 --> 00:48:32.880
Now I will say, so I'll sidetrack it too. Here's

962
00:48:32.920 --> 00:48:37.480
your story about Halloween too. I watched it, rewatched it

963
00:48:38.260 --> 00:48:42.360
for this episode of yours. I saw it back when

964
00:48:42.400 --> 00:48:46.039
it came out and apparently I saw it at the

965
00:48:46.079 --> 00:48:49.980
drive-in and Because I only remembered chunks of it. I

966
00:48:50.000 --> 00:48:51.909
was sitting there going, I don't remember that. I don't

967
00:48:51.929 --> 00:48:56.429
remember that. And then for 10 minutes, it'd be something that, oh, yeah,

968
00:48:56.449 --> 00:48:58.809
I remember that perfectly. And then 10 more minutes, I'd

969
00:48:58.829 --> 00:49:02.730
be like, really? And so, yeah, and so I'm fairly

970
00:49:02.769 --> 00:49:07.769
sure I was dry humping some chick's leg in a

971
00:49:07.769 --> 00:49:10.630
drive-in theater.

972
00:49:10.650 --> 00:49:11.570
Yeah.

973
00:49:13.130 --> 00:49:16.340
Totally distracted me from what was actually going on on screen.

974
00:49:16.679 --> 00:49:19.309
Now that I'm more mature, I can concentrate on it.

975
00:49:20.389 --> 00:49:23.070
Yeah well I mean I think it's one of the

976
00:49:23.110 --> 00:49:25.269
movies that just it holds up you know I look

977
00:49:25.289 --> 00:49:27.750
forward to watching it every single Halloween I've got the

978
00:49:28.190 --> 00:49:32.239
I think I got the 30th anniversary which it's that

979
00:49:32.280 --> 00:49:35.179
weird one where they just for reasons they didn't really

980
00:49:35.219 --> 00:49:38.219
explain they put that Terror in the Isles documentary as

981
00:49:38.239 --> 00:49:40.719
like a bonus feature yeah It's like a full, it's

982
00:49:40.760 --> 00:49:43.739
one of the best horror documentaries ever made. And it's just, here,

983
00:49:43.780 --> 00:49:46.909
here's an extra with some trailers and see behind the

984
00:49:46.929 --> 00:49:47.469
scenes stuff.

985
00:49:49.150 --> 00:49:53.909
Yeah. I was going to see, I would like to

986
00:49:53.949 --> 00:49:57.469
talk about the cinematographer here if I could.

987
00:49:58.010 --> 00:50:00.019
And again, he's going to be at scare fest.

988
00:50:00.179 --> 00:50:00.280
Yeah.

989
00:50:00.360 --> 00:50:02.719
And that's why I wanted to talk about him, Dean Cundy, because,

990
00:50:02.880 --> 00:50:05.280
you know, there are many people that scare fest I'm

991
00:50:05.300 --> 00:50:07.880
looking forward to, but this man is at the top

992
00:50:07.920 --> 00:50:12.119
of my list. This man is a legend. I mean,

993
00:50:12.199 --> 00:50:17.599
a legend. He shot six Robert Zemeckis films, Romancing the Stone,

994
00:50:17.659 --> 00:50:20.659
Back to the Future 1, 2, 3, and Death Becomes Her,

995
00:50:20.940 --> 00:50:22.800
and Romancing the Stone, which I think it said. But

996
00:50:23.320 --> 00:50:27.139
shot two Steven Spielberg films, Hook and Jurassic Park. Shot

997
00:50:27.440 --> 00:50:31.130
five Carpenter films, Halloween, The Fog, Escape from New York,

998
00:50:31.190 --> 00:50:33.969
The Thing, and Big Trouble in Little China. And he

999
00:50:34.090 --> 00:50:37.409
also did Apollo 13. Rock and roll high school. Jeff,

1000
00:50:37.429 --> 00:50:38.550
you know how much I love that movie.

1001
00:50:38.570 --> 00:50:39.309
Love that one. Yep.

1002
00:50:39.469 --> 00:50:42.780
Yeah. He did three episodes of the Mandalorian recently. Uh,

1003
00:50:42.840 --> 00:50:47.420
nothing but trouble roadhouse, big business project X, obviously Halloween

1004
00:50:47.480 --> 00:50:52.320
two and three, uh, where the red firm girls from 1974.

1005
00:50:52.320 --> 00:50:55.489
And then here's a movie that's special as a special

1006
00:50:55.510 --> 00:50:59.130
place in my heart. And don't laugh at me, uh, listeners,

1007
00:50:59.170 --> 00:51:01.969
but this is the 1976 film creature from black lake.

1008
00:51:03.010 --> 00:51:05.369
If you have not seen this film, anybody who knows,

1009
00:51:05.389 --> 00:51:07.710
I'm a huge lover of Sasquatch films.

1010
00:51:08.889 --> 00:51:09.550
Oh, yeah.

1011
00:51:09.570 --> 00:51:12.570
This is a Sasquatch film from 1976 where two college

1012
00:51:12.590 --> 00:51:15.820
students go down to Louisiana to investigate Bigfoot and come

1013
00:51:15.889 --> 00:51:18.679
face to face with the creature. I did not know

1014
00:51:18.719 --> 00:51:22.179
Dean Cundy had done the cinematography of this until I

1015
00:51:22.940 --> 00:51:26.659
recently rewatched the film and his name popped up. I'm like, what?

1016
00:51:27.099 --> 00:51:27.820
Are you kidding me?

1017
00:51:27.840 --> 00:51:29.139
I didn't know.

1018
00:51:30.019 --> 00:51:32.699
So I am super excited to see this guy. I

1019
00:51:32.760 --> 00:51:35.860
really am. I'm going right to his table to get

1020
00:51:35.909 --> 00:51:39.429
his autograph on a couple of my posters, including Halloween, obviously.

1021
00:51:40.349 --> 00:51:42.269
Wes, I don't know about you, but I love living

1022
00:51:42.289 --> 00:51:47.090
in a world where the guy that shot Jurassic Park

1023
00:51:47.829 --> 00:51:49.889
is the guy that shot Roadhouse.

1024
00:51:50.650 --> 00:51:54.170
Because I am a huge fan of Roadhouse.

1025
00:51:54.210 --> 00:51:55.820
So I love it. I love the fact that he's

1026
00:51:55.840 --> 00:51:56.360
all over the map.

1027
00:51:57.500 --> 00:51:59.579
Absolutely. I mean, and if you're good at something, you're

1028
00:51:59.599 --> 00:52:00.199
good at something.

1029
00:52:00.539 --> 00:52:00.840
Yeah.

1030
00:52:01.059 --> 00:52:04.219
At the same time, okay, now this is behind the

1031
00:52:04.739 --> 00:52:09.110
inside baseball stuff. But see, now that's actually, like it

1032
00:52:09.130 --> 00:52:10.550
or not, people, at the end of the day, our

1033
00:52:10.590 --> 00:52:13.969
job is to sell tickets. Now, when we have somebody

1034
00:52:13.989 --> 00:52:18.010
like that, see, now that appeals to you, the passionate

1035
00:52:18.050 --> 00:52:23.530
horror fan, the passionate movie fan. But it's a harder sell.

1036
00:52:23.570 --> 00:52:25.219
And you've seen, you might have been in our fan

1037
00:52:25.260 --> 00:52:28.510
group and seen it. This lineup that we've got, it

1038
00:52:28.530 --> 00:52:30.829
is a horror fan's wet dream.

1039
00:52:31.150 --> 00:52:31.389
It is.

1040
00:52:31.489 --> 00:52:32.769
Gosh, yeah. The entire lineup.

1041
00:52:32.989 --> 00:52:33.250
Yeah.

1042
00:52:33.590 --> 00:52:39.539
But there's not that many gotcha moments. Those big names,

1043
00:52:39.579 --> 00:52:41.599
the person that just went to the movies last week

1044
00:52:42.059 --> 00:52:47.159
is going to recognize that kind of thing. But folding

1045
00:52:47.199 --> 00:52:50.199
back to what you said, yeah, that's the type of

1046
00:52:50.340 --> 00:52:53.949
guest that a real movie fan, a real movie fan,

1047
00:52:54.380 --> 00:52:58.059
is going to just absolutely salivate over it. Now, the

1048
00:52:58.099 --> 00:53:01.219
problem with that type of guest is, now they'll go

1049
00:53:01.260 --> 00:53:03.590
back to work Monday and say, hey, I met so-and-so.

1050
00:53:03.820 --> 00:53:07.429
And they'll go, who? What? You know. So, yeah, it's

1051
00:53:07.469 --> 00:53:08.090
a niche.

1052
00:53:08.510 --> 00:53:12.690
Well, and, you know, like the online community, the social media,

1053
00:53:12.909 --> 00:53:15.949
you know, like the fans of Scarefest and all that.

1054
00:53:16.349 --> 00:53:19.610
It's just awesome to see people come together. I mean,

1055
00:53:21.329 --> 00:53:23.989
you guys have a fan base. And to see people

1056
00:53:24.840 --> 00:53:28.469
sharing all the photos, talking about their experience with this

1057
00:53:28.530 --> 00:53:31.869
director or this actor or this composer. Because you guys,

1058
00:53:31.969 --> 00:53:33.530
I love the fact that you guys, yeah, we're talking

1059
00:53:33.550 --> 00:53:37.570
about one of the greatest cinematographers of all time is

1060
00:53:37.590 --> 00:53:41.010
going to be at Scarefest. But you've also got directors.

1061
00:53:41.030 --> 00:53:43.110
You've got, you've had composers. And I love the fact

1062
00:53:43.130 --> 00:53:47.429
that you guys, you show love to everyone behind the camera.

1063
00:53:48.190 --> 00:53:50.230
You know, it's not just like the, who we're watching

1064
00:53:50.250 --> 00:53:52.150
on the silver screen. It's people that made it, made

1065
00:53:52.170 --> 00:53:53.690
it happen. I love that you guys do that.

1066
00:53:55.929 --> 00:54:01.409
That becomes a little easier on the ones that are

1067
00:54:01.469 --> 00:54:05.340
ingrained in your soul. It's just like, okay, you were

1068
00:54:05.360 --> 00:54:09.460
talking before about Halloween is, you know, it's an annual

1069
00:54:09.480 --> 00:54:12.920
thing for you. See, but now I go the other way.

1070
00:54:14.820 --> 00:54:16.840
This is not against the original thing, but when Rob

1071
00:54:16.860 --> 00:54:19.860
Zombie started his remakes, it wasn't that they weren't good.

1072
00:54:19.880 --> 00:54:20.900
It was just why.

1073
00:54:20.920 --> 00:54:23.340
It was a big why.

1074
00:54:23.360 --> 00:54:24.500
They were unnecessary.

1075
00:54:24.889 --> 00:54:28.440
It is unnecessary, yeah.

1076
00:54:28.500 --> 00:54:29.820
Remake Basket Case.

1077
00:54:30.920 --> 00:54:31.440
Hell yeah!

1078
00:54:31.880 --> 00:54:33.739
Yeah, I'd like that.

1079
00:54:33.900 --> 00:54:35.860
Yeah, bring that one back. I would definitely do that.

1080
00:54:36.260 --> 00:54:38.849
Give me another Chud movie. How about that? I'll take that,

1081
00:54:38.949 --> 00:54:42.030
you know? Oh, well. I'll tell you what. We're going

1082
00:54:42.050 --> 00:54:44.150
to take another quick break. When we get back, we've

1083
00:54:44.170 --> 00:54:47.030
got a scene that we all want to talk about.

1084
00:54:47.150 --> 00:54:51.559
So we'll see you in 60. All right, so Dave.

1085
00:54:54.269 --> 00:54:58.530
Let's talk about a scene from Halloween two, whether, whether

1086
00:54:58.570 --> 00:55:02.369
it's for the cinematography, kind of use cinematography, whether it's from,

1087
00:55:03.030 --> 00:55:04.570
whether it's a pivotal moment in the movie, whether it's

1088
00:55:04.690 --> 00:55:08.110
a strong performance, what scene would you like to talk

1089
00:55:08.130 --> 00:55:08.670
about real quick?

1090
00:55:09.369 --> 00:55:12.090
So for me, it's more than just a scene. It's

1091
00:55:12.150 --> 00:55:14.190
a sequence of scenes. So I'm kind of cheating a

1092
00:55:14.289 --> 00:55:17.869
little bit, but it is the whole chase scene. When

1093
00:55:18.329 --> 00:55:21.989
Michael finally finds Laurie and chasing her down the hallway

1094
00:55:22.010 --> 00:55:24.460
and It's her going down the steps. He's chasing her

1095
00:55:24.480 --> 00:55:27.199
down the steps. She goes downstairs. And then she goes

1096
00:55:27.260 --> 00:55:30.380
up into that window to escape him. Squeezes through that window.

1097
00:55:30.460 --> 00:55:30.880
Goes into that room.

1098
00:55:30.900 --> 00:55:31.800
That's a Speria moment.

1099
00:55:32.000 --> 00:55:32.800
Yeah.

1100
00:55:33.440 --> 00:55:35.159
And then she goes to the elevator and is clicking

1101
00:55:35.179 --> 00:55:38.400
on the elevator to get it. And Michael's slowly approaching her.

1102
00:55:38.900 --> 00:55:41.320
And then it opens up. She gets in. And the

1103
00:55:41.380 --> 00:55:44.719
door's slowly closing. Michael's almost there. But on top of that,

1104
00:55:45.239 --> 00:55:50.550
you've got Carpenter's music that is just pounding here. And just,

1105
00:55:50.610 --> 00:55:54.250
you know, bringing back that flood of memories from the

1106
00:55:54.289 --> 00:55:57.500
first Halloween of when Michael was going after her. That

1107
00:55:57.559 --> 00:56:00.400
whole sequence is absolutely my favorite of Halloween 2. And

1108
00:56:01.119 --> 00:56:03.579
when I saw it as a kid, it stuck with me.

1109
00:56:04.039 --> 00:56:07.480
And when I think of Halloween 2, that's exactly what

1110
00:56:07.559 --> 00:56:08.559
I see every time.

1111
00:56:09.380 --> 00:56:13.289
Yeah, it's stalking at its finest. Wes, correct me if

1112
00:56:13.329 --> 00:56:17.829
I'm wrong. Recently, you posted something about hospitals being some

1113
00:56:17.849 --> 00:56:20.840
of the scariest places you've ever seen. Or been in.

1114
00:56:21.960 --> 00:56:24.280
Well, no, I didn't say there was. But I hear

1115
00:56:24.340 --> 00:56:27.929
more ghost stories. You talk to a nurse. If you

1116
00:56:27.949 --> 00:56:29.650
walk up to a nurse that's been working for a

1117
00:56:29.690 --> 00:56:32.570
few years, ask them to tell you a ghost story.

1118
00:56:32.949 --> 00:56:39.860
They'll have one. These hospitals always have. If you get

1119
00:56:39.880 --> 00:56:42.139
in paranormal theory, there's reasons for it, blah, blah, blah.

1120
00:56:42.280 --> 00:56:44.420
But I'm just saying, hospitals are haunted.

1121
00:56:45.440 --> 00:56:48.420
This is the movie that made me terrified of hospitals

1122
00:56:48.760 --> 00:56:49.260
when I was a kid.

1123
00:56:49.829 --> 00:56:50.190
Makes sense.

1124
00:56:51.130 --> 00:56:53.949
I didn't want to go to a hospital, especially if

1125
00:56:54.010 --> 00:56:57.920
the sun was down, because this scared the daylights out

1126
00:56:57.960 --> 00:57:00.679
of me. Wes, is there a scene in this movie

1127
00:57:00.860 --> 00:57:04.260
you'd like to point out, other than the iconic chase

1128
00:57:04.340 --> 00:57:05.380
that Dave just laid on us?

1129
00:57:08.039 --> 00:57:09.900
Okay, now, I'm going to give you two answers on this.

1130
00:57:10.340 --> 00:57:12.320
The first one, it sounds like I'm making a joke,

1131
00:57:12.340 --> 00:57:15.119
but I'm really not. It is kind of a joke. Okay.

1132
00:57:15.619 --> 00:57:18.070
I like the jacuzzi scene with the.

1133
00:57:19.619 --> 00:57:22.360
And it's not because of the nudity. It's because it

1134
00:57:22.409 --> 00:57:28.489
defined everything about that segment of time in movies. If

1135
00:57:28.510 --> 00:57:30.630
you did a horror movie, you had to have the

1136
00:57:30.670 --> 00:57:31.969
gratuitous boob shot.

1137
00:57:32.429 --> 00:57:33.630
Yeah, you're right.

1138
00:57:34.329 --> 00:57:36.110
In other words, I think the movie would have been

1139
00:57:36.210 --> 00:57:41.269
fine without all that. Agreed. But it was a component

1140
00:57:41.590 --> 00:57:44.349
that you expected when you went and watched it. A

1141
00:57:44.369 --> 00:57:44.989
movie like this.

1142
00:57:45.369 --> 00:57:47.889
It's a timestamp. You're absolutely right. I love that you

1143
00:57:47.909 --> 00:57:54.070
brought it up for that fact. Because after Halloween in 78,

1144
00:57:54.070 --> 00:57:56.530
everyone's looking to see, like, how do we duplicate this?

1145
00:57:56.570 --> 00:57:59.849
How do we catch lightning in the bottle? And the answer,

1146
00:58:01.010 --> 00:58:03.489
you know, whether it's Friday the 13th or it's one

1147
00:58:03.510 --> 00:58:07.679
of the other films, the answer is, well, let's not

1148
00:58:07.719 --> 00:58:10.980
worry about making it scary. Let's make it gory. Let's

1149
00:58:11.019 --> 00:58:13.659
see what we can do with special effects and Let's

1150
00:58:13.679 --> 00:58:16.739
get some good-looking ladies in here to take their tops off,

1151
00:58:16.820 --> 00:58:22.510
and we'll sell tickets, right? So I know Carpenter, he's like,

1152
00:58:22.570 --> 00:58:24.429
I'm not going back to this. And then they're like, well,

1153
00:58:24.449 --> 00:58:26.670
hold on. Help us out here. So him and Debra

1154
00:58:26.690 --> 00:58:29.630
Hill write it. Famously, he said he had a real

1155
00:58:30.090 --> 00:58:31.730
tough time trying to get through the script, trying to

1156
00:58:31.769 --> 00:58:40.389
write something. But he knows, hey, we can't capture the ambiance,

1157
00:58:40.449 --> 00:58:45.239
the tension of the first movie. And audiences now, modern audiences,

1158
00:58:45.280 --> 00:58:49.260
the 1980s are here and the audience wants, they want

1159
00:58:49.300 --> 00:58:52.860
the blood and the gore and the boobs. And Wes,

1160
00:58:52.880 --> 00:58:55.179
you're absolutely right, man. This might be the movie that

1161
00:58:56.219 --> 00:58:59.010
kind of was the shift, you know, in the paradigm,

1162
00:58:59.340 --> 00:59:03.329
so to speak. Because you say what you will about

1163
00:59:03.349 --> 00:59:05.570
the other Halloween films. It's not, I don't think it's

1164
00:59:05.690 --> 00:59:10.429
as gratuitous as it is in this movie, but it's also,

1165
00:59:11.449 --> 00:59:14.619
it's a pretty brutal kill shot, you know?

1166
00:59:14.760 --> 00:59:20.039
Oh yeah, absolutely. Now the kill, as far as the

1167
00:59:20.099 --> 00:59:23.199
scenes in the movie that left the biggest impression on me,

1168
00:59:23.559 --> 00:59:26.019
or brought the closest thing to fear to everyone who

1169
00:59:26.039 --> 00:59:29.389
looked at it, that kill scene was my kill scene

1170
00:59:29.409 --> 00:59:32.650
in the movie. Most of the stabby stuff, you know,

1171
00:59:32.710 --> 00:59:34.469
most of the stabby stuff is off screen. If you

1172
00:59:34.489 --> 00:59:36.489
think about it, you see the blood, you don't really

1173
00:59:36.510 --> 00:59:37.550
see the knife go in.

1174
00:59:38.349 --> 00:59:38.510
No.

1175
00:59:38.530 --> 00:59:40.380
But when you see him shove her head in the

1176
00:59:40.400 --> 00:59:42.320
boiling water. Oh man.

1177
00:59:42.400 --> 00:59:45.039
It's, it's yeah. You know, and let's just talk about

1178
00:59:45.079 --> 00:59:48.019
that for a quick second. You know, let's talk best

1179
00:59:48.059 --> 00:59:51.079
or most brutal kill scene. Wes, you, you might have

1180
00:59:51.139 --> 00:59:55.480
one of the best ones of the movie because it's funny.

1181
00:59:55.559 --> 00:59:59.050
Cause like hats off to Shoop and to Rossi because they're,

1182
00:59:59.090 --> 01:00:01.739
they're talking about, you know, she, he's like, She's like, yeah,

1183
01:00:01.780 --> 01:00:04.860
I'm serious. It's too hot in here. And we've all

1184
01:00:04.889 --> 01:00:07.389
been in a jacuzzi, so you know when it's too hot,

1185
01:00:07.929 --> 01:00:13.530
you're uncomfortable. And meanwhile, the water, to their quote, their story,

1186
01:00:13.550 --> 01:00:15.849
it's like the water's freezing. We're doing some of our

1187
01:00:15.989 --> 01:00:19.469
finest acting here because it was size cold water. But

1188
01:00:19.710 --> 01:00:23.570
for her to not only to drown, but to also

1189
01:00:23.650 --> 01:00:25.289
drown in boiling water.

1190
01:00:25.429 --> 01:00:25.929
Exactly.

1191
01:00:26.570 --> 01:00:28.739
And he just dunks her and he pulls her up

1192
01:00:28.889 --> 01:00:31.650
and he dunks her. And it's, I mean, even the,

1193
01:00:31.730 --> 01:00:34.650
even the special effects, Dave, the makeup, because every time

1194
01:00:34.710 --> 01:00:37.269
she pulls her up, her face is getting a little more.

1195
01:00:37.409 --> 01:00:39.829
Worse and worse. Yeah. Crispy. You know, she starts off

1196
01:00:39.869 --> 01:00:42.110
like really red and then like the skin's peeling off

1197
01:00:42.150 --> 01:00:46.989
and then it's just, it's horrific. Dave, best, best kill

1198
01:00:47.010 --> 01:00:49.139
shot in the, in the, in the movie or best

1199
01:00:49.159 --> 01:00:50.260
death scene. What do you got?

1200
01:00:50.460 --> 01:00:52.599
So for me, it's Jill being stabbed in the back

1201
01:00:52.619 --> 01:00:55.400
by the scalpel. She gets lifted up in the air.

1202
01:00:55.559 --> 01:00:56.019
Oh yeah.

1203
01:00:56.179 --> 01:00:59.239
And then her shoes fall off because she's getting dead.

1204
01:00:59.360 --> 01:01:02.360
I loved that scene. That's my favorite.

1205
01:01:02.960 --> 01:01:04.980
That's a great one. It's kind of a callback to

1206
01:01:05.599 --> 01:01:10.619
when he pins Bob to the kitchen wall. That's a

1207
01:01:10.639 --> 01:01:13.260
great one. I'm going to go a different route, though.

1208
01:01:17.610 --> 01:01:22.230
Because I think one of the best ones, most brutal especially,

1209
01:01:23.510 --> 01:01:26.610
Michael's not even involved. I'm talking about the death of

1210
01:01:26.670 --> 01:01:27.489
poor Ben Tramer.

1211
01:01:28.469 --> 01:01:30.250
Oh, poor Ben. This kid.

1212
01:01:31.760 --> 01:01:37.550
made the unfortunate mistake of grabbing the one mask that.

1213
01:01:37.429 --> 01:01:40.030
The escaped lunatic feels the hardest. Well, there was also

1214
01:01:40.050 --> 01:01:43.150
the part where he's walking down the middle of the street. True.

1215
01:01:43.369 --> 01:01:46.570
Well, okay, Wes, but I mean, when a stranger is

1216
01:01:46.659 --> 01:01:48.920
screaming at you and waving a Smith & Wesson, I

1217
01:01:50.079 --> 01:01:53.159
might be bunking it across the street, too. You know,

1218
01:01:53.179 --> 01:01:56.260
the sheriff's trying to stop him from shooting him. He

1219
01:01:56.320 --> 01:01:57.639
wanders off in the middle of the street.

1220
01:01:58.219 --> 01:01:58.300
He.

1221
01:01:59.039 --> 01:02:03.420
immediately gets smashed by uh by deputy number three hadn't

1222
01:02:03.440 --> 01:02:04.289
filled deputy number three.

1223
01:02:04.219 --> 01:02:06.670
Who i would argue was going too fast way too

1224
01:02:06.690 --> 01:02:08.670
fast without sirens.

1225
01:02:08.809 --> 01:02:11.329
And hey i know i know they were i know

1226
01:02:11.349 --> 01:02:13.610
rosenthal was adamant to like hey hide your face as

1227
01:02:13.650 --> 01:02:17.360
much as possible that's dick warlock deputy three is dick

1228
01:02:17.400 --> 01:02:20.960
warlock so i guess maybe michael did kill him after

1229
01:02:21.139 --> 01:02:24.659
all but this poor kid gets hit by the cruiser,

1230
01:02:24.940 --> 01:02:28.380
pinned up against the van, which catches fire, explodes, and

1231
01:02:28.400 --> 01:02:32.000
then he just burns alive standing up. We're going to

1232
01:02:32.019 --> 01:02:32.800
need his dental records.

1233
01:02:33.239 --> 01:02:36.090
That's a tough one. Apparently the van was hauling gasoline.

1234
01:02:36.110 --> 01:02:38.369
Oh, hell.

1235
01:02:40.329 --> 01:02:40.510
Yeah.

1236
01:02:40.530 --> 01:02:44.869
A lot of gasoline hauling vans in the 1980s, I'd

1237
01:02:44.889 --> 01:02:50.420
have to imagine. You just feel bad. His buddies show up. Hey, Sheriff,

1238
01:02:50.440 --> 01:02:53.349
we're looking for Ben. He had this stupid mask on

1239
01:02:53.389 --> 01:02:57.250
and he left the party. He's 17 and he's like, oh.

1240
01:02:57.269 --> 01:03:00.929
Loomis is like 17. It's a real like, oh shit

1241
01:03:00.949 --> 01:03:03.590
moment for Loomis. Damn it. Damn it.

1242
01:03:05.389 --> 01:03:09.409
Here's the technicality. In the autopsy, when they said, oh,

1243
01:03:09.570 --> 01:03:12.469
he must be 17. He doesn't have any fillings. I

1244
01:03:12.510 --> 01:03:14.809
had much more dental work done as a child when

1245
01:03:14.829 --> 01:03:16.139
my parents were paying for it.

1246
01:03:16.570 --> 01:03:16.829
Yeah.

1247
01:03:17.670 --> 01:03:19.469
Just going to throw that out there. Let them decide

1248
01:03:19.489 --> 01:03:19.889
on their own.

1249
01:03:20.440 --> 01:03:25.960
All right. Well, I like it. Okay, so let's talk

1250
01:03:26.000 --> 01:03:30.510
scariest moment in Halloween 2. Wes, is there a moment,

1251
01:03:30.630 --> 01:03:35.489
and I know, I mean, listen, the jacuzzi kill, it

1252
01:03:35.550 --> 01:03:38.219
is pretty damn scary, but is there any other scene

1253
01:03:38.239 --> 01:03:42.050
where you're like, That's the shot. That's where they captured

1254
01:03:42.090 --> 01:03:43.469
Michael and scared.

1255
01:03:43.250 --> 01:03:43.949
The hell out of him.

1256
01:03:43.969 --> 01:03:46.400
I won't say there's any single shot that did it.

1257
01:03:46.449 --> 01:03:49.690
Probably cat jumping out of the dumpster, maybe. But I

1258
01:03:49.849 --> 01:03:55.150
did like, I liked how, okay, your first 10 minutes, Michael,

1259
01:03:55.190 --> 01:03:57.289
you know, it disappears from the where he shot 20,

1260
01:03:57.289 --> 01:03:58.699
11 times. He's not yelling.

1261
01:03:58.719 --> 01:03:59.070
Okay, now.

1262
01:04:03.599 --> 01:04:06.409
But I'm looking at it here. This man does not

1263
01:04:06.449 --> 01:04:08.730
just go straight to the hospital where he knows they're

1264
01:04:08.750 --> 01:04:11.309
going to be taking Lori. He stops and kills along

1265
01:04:11.349 --> 01:04:14.969
the way. Oh, yeah. Showing his dedication. Showing his work ethic,

1266
01:04:15.050 --> 01:04:15.329
if you will.

1267
01:04:15.349 --> 01:04:16.070
Yeah, he's dedicated.

1268
01:04:16.750 --> 01:04:19.789
Oh, gosh, yeah. And I mean, that actually caught my attention.

1269
01:04:20.130 --> 01:04:21.829
But no, he just didn't, you know, he could have

1270
01:04:21.849 --> 01:04:24.010
just walked. He could have just done his, you know,

1271
01:04:24.849 --> 01:04:25.769
shape thing. But no.

1272
01:04:25.789 --> 01:04:29.349
He's going to get some reps in, right?

1273
01:04:30.050 --> 01:04:31.789
Yes, he got some reps in. Yeah. Yeah.

1274
01:04:32.150 --> 01:04:35.829
Well, okay, let's talk about that because this fascinates me.

1275
01:04:35.849 --> 01:04:39.460
I mean, I'm such a huge fan of all these franchises,

1276
01:04:39.719 --> 01:04:42.980
and I don't know why it was this recently when

1277
01:04:43.000 --> 01:04:46.079
I watched Halloween II when it finally dawned on me.

1278
01:04:46.280 --> 01:04:49.360
And Dave, maybe you've known this all along, but Wes

1279
01:04:49.409 --> 01:04:52.889
maybe has already. Of course, everyone knows that. But it

1280
01:04:52.909 --> 01:04:56.110
was an aha moment for me. The first kill in

1281
01:04:56.130 --> 01:05:01.570
this movie is the girl You know, who's the Elrond's neighbor.

1282
01:05:01.829 --> 01:05:05.869
She's checking on him. Yep. Okay. She's on the phone

1283
01:05:06.489 --> 01:05:12.510
with a friend. Coincidentally, you know, Nancy Loomis is the

1284
01:05:12.530 --> 01:05:15.880
voice of that friend. But she's on the phone with

1285
01:05:15.940 --> 01:05:18.519
a friend talking, and then Michael kills her, right?

1286
01:05:18.539 --> 01:05:19.039
Mm-hmm.

1287
01:05:20.119 --> 01:05:24.920
Her name's Alice. Mm-hmm. So you've got Halloween 2 opening

1288
01:05:25.539 --> 01:05:28.570
with a girl named Alice on the phone... being killed

1289
01:05:28.610 --> 01:05:32.590
by the killer the exact same way Friday the 13th

1290
01:05:32.590 --> 01:05:33.650
2 begins.

1291
01:05:34.309 --> 01:05:35.250
Oh, I didn't think about that.

1292
01:05:35.289 --> 01:05:35.570
You're right.

1293
01:05:35.590 --> 01:05:39.849
With Alice on the phone being killed by the killer

1294
01:05:40.320 --> 01:05:41.519
who kind of went out of the way.

1295
01:05:41.880 --> 01:05:43.099
I never would have noticed that.

1296
01:05:43.280 --> 01:05:44.239
I didn't make that connection.

1297
01:05:44.300 --> 01:05:47.460
That's just, that's how far down the horror rabbit hole

1298
01:05:47.679 --> 01:05:51.000
I'll go, Wes. Clearly. Damn. Well, it just popped up

1299
01:05:51.019 --> 01:05:54.119
because I'm like, listen, I'm like, wait, did she just

1300
01:05:54.159 --> 01:05:56.309
call her Alice? And then it clicked in my head

1301
01:05:56.570 --> 01:05:58.829
for whatever reason. But yeah. I think that's pretty wild.

1302
01:05:59.250 --> 01:06:01.730
You know, so speaking about the girl on the phone,

1303
01:06:01.969 --> 01:06:05.199
that's the scene is my scariest moment because when she's

1304
01:06:05.239 --> 01:06:07.219
talking on the phone, turns her back, you see Michael

1305
01:06:07.539 --> 01:06:07.960
come in.

1306
01:06:08.440 --> 01:06:08.760
Yes.

1307
01:06:08.920 --> 01:06:10.880
And then she turns around and sees the door and

1308
01:06:10.920 --> 01:06:12.539
goes towards the door and he just comes out of

1309
01:06:12.619 --> 01:06:13.780
nowhere and stabs her.

1310
01:06:14.219 --> 01:06:15.500
You know, he does that lunge thing.

1311
01:06:15.519 --> 01:06:17.360
Yeah. That's what I said. I've seen this so many times.

1312
01:06:17.519 --> 01:06:19.340
It still scares the shit out of me. Every time

1313
01:06:19.389 --> 01:06:21.489
he comes out of nowhere, every time.

1314
01:06:21.889 --> 01:06:26.369
What's scary about that scene too is, She's like, what happened?

1315
01:06:26.429 --> 01:06:27.269
She's like, yeah.

1316
01:06:27.329 --> 01:06:27.829
What street?

1317
01:06:27.969 --> 01:06:29.849
Orange Street. That's right down... And then she's like, that's

1318
01:06:29.889 --> 01:06:33.059
right down the road. Sirens. And then, listen, when you

1319
01:06:33.079 --> 01:06:35.260
turn your... If your friend is telling you this shit

1320
01:06:35.280 --> 01:06:37.280
on the phone, and then you turn around and your

1321
01:06:37.320 --> 01:06:42.519
door is wide open... Yeah. My move, I'm immediately booking

1322
01:06:42.599 --> 01:06:46.469
it straight out the door. And I'm talking like... And

1323
01:06:46.769 --> 01:06:49.050
if the door's... If I can't get to it, I'll

1324
01:06:49.090 --> 01:06:51.269
go through the wall like a Looney Tunes character.

1325
01:06:52.409 --> 01:06:52.670
Because.

1326
01:06:53.469 --> 01:06:55.730
You know he's in the house at that point. You

1327
01:06:55.769 --> 01:06:58.269
know it. Yeah. That's a scary moment.

1328
01:06:58.849 --> 01:07:00.869
Did you notice, I didn't notice this before until I

1329
01:07:00.909 --> 01:07:03.980
saw this again, but I love the fact that the

1330
01:07:04.019 --> 01:07:06.559
scene where he's walking around the neighborhood, he walks into

1331
01:07:06.579 --> 01:07:09.559
the house, gets the knife. How much that felt like

1332
01:07:09.619 --> 01:07:14.159
Halloween 2018. They literally took that scene and redid it

1333
01:07:14.219 --> 01:07:17.150
for that movie. Where he's just walking around the neighborhood.

1334
01:07:17.170 --> 01:07:20.349
David Gordon Green. Yeah. He basically, yeah. And it's like,

1335
01:07:20.769 --> 01:07:23.929
You know, he's hiding in plain sight because everyone's walking

1336
01:07:23.969 --> 01:07:28.280
around with masks and dressed up and trick-or-treating. So who's

1337
01:07:28.300 --> 01:07:29.239
going to notice him, right?

1338
01:07:29.340 --> 01:07:29.760
That's scary.

1339
01:07:29.780 --> 01:07:34.300
Speaking of not noticing, I've watched this. Every time I

1340
01:07:34.340 --> 01:07:36.550
watch this, I look and I still, I'm like, I

1341
01:07:36.590 --> 01:07:38.530
know I saw it, but I didn't see it. The

1342
01:07:38.570 --> 01:07:43.170
fact that Dana Carvey is in the shot, you know,

1343
01:07:43.210 --> 01:07:46.010
outside of the house where they're bringing Annie's body out.

1344
01:07:46.780 --> 01:07:49.619
And the female reporter's like, hey, talk to the parents,

1345
01:07:49.639 --> 01:07:51.199
and if you don't get approval, that's fine anyway. Just

1346
01:07:51.480 --> 01:07:55.800
get the statements. That's Dana Carvey in an uncredited cameo.

1347
01:07:56.159 --> 01:07:57.800
Apparently he had a bigger role, and they had to

1348
01:07:57.820 --> 01:08:00.920
cut it for time. But I'd love to see that.

1349
01:08:00.960 --> 01:08:03.809
What's he doing? Dana Carvey in Halloween 2, I love it.

1350
01:08:05.329 --> 01:08:08.710
I'll tell you my favorite scene. Well, my favorite scene

1351
01:08:08.730 --> 01:08:13.389
as far as scary ones go. This is Rosenthal calling

1352
01:08:13.429 --> 01:08:15.650
back to the original one. It's when.

1353
01:08:17.319 --> 01:08:21.359
Oh, what's her name? Janet. The orderly is checking on Dr. Mixter.

1354
01:08:21.779 --> 01:08:22.060
Oh, yeah.

1355
01:08:22.260 --> 01:08:25.399
And I don't know what it is about Michael. His

1356
01:08:25.460 --> 01:08:28.199
weapon of choice in this movie is hypodermic needles because

1357
01:08:28.239 --> 01:08:32.319
everyone's getting one. But she finds Dr. Mixter dead in

1358
01:08:32.350 --> 01:08:35.369
the chair. She spins him around. He's got one jammed

1359
01:08:35.390 --> 01:08:39.710
into his open eyeball. And then she's kind of pulling back.

1360
01:08:39.850 --> 01:08:42.350
And then the shape just kind of comes right out

1361
01:08:42.369 --> 01:08:42.930
of the darkness.

1362
01:08:43.029 --> 01:08:43.750
Yep.

1363
01:08:43.770 --> 01:08:46.430
Much like he did with Laurie in the house in

1364
01:08:46.449 --> 01:08:49.100
the first Halloween. I think that's one of the most

1365
01:08:49.140 --> 01:08:53.739
impressive shots in horror films. When you see nothing and

1366
01:08:53.760 --> 01:08:56.829
then that mask, the white of that mask just comes

1367
01:08:56.890 --> 01:08:57.529
out of nowhere.

1368
01:08:57.550 --> 01:08:58.130
Yeah.

1369
01:08:58.770 --> 01:09:00.949
And then that poor girl... she takes a, she takes

1370
01:09:00.989 --> 01:09:04.369
a hyperdermic needle to the temple and he's brutal. Cause

1371
01:09:04.409 --> 01:09:06.760
it's not just about stabbing her. Like, you know, Wes

1372
01:09:06.770 --> 01:09:08.569
was talking about, yeah, there's, you can stab anybody, but

1373
01:09:08.600 --> 01:09:11.100
you know, you know, boil someone, you know, but did

1374
01:09:11.119 --> 01:09:13.000
you notice he's, he's got his thumb on the plunger.

1375
01:09:13.199 --> 01:09:16.180
So he's going all in, you know, I'm stabbing you

1376
01:09:16.260 --> 01:09:19.109
and I'm injecting the air to blow your head up,

1377
01:09:19.140 --> 01:09:25.810
you know? It's just brutal, man. Just brutal. Let's talk

1378
01:09:25.829 --> 01:09:30.750
about Rosenthal one more time. Written by, and we'll start

1379
01:09:30.770 --> 01:09:34.949
with Wes because he might have something interesting for us. Wes,

1380
01:09:35.390 --> 01:09:38.779
when it comes to Rick Rosenthal's work, if it's something

1381
01:09:38.819 --> 01:09:41.039
that he wrote, something that he directed, maybe even something

1382
01:09:41.060 --> 01:09:43.979
that he's acted in, if someone was like, well, yeah,

1383
01:09:44.100 --> 01:09:46.619
Rick Rosenthal's here. He's Halloween 2. What else do I

1384
01:09:46.640 --> 01:09:49.039
know him from? Wes, is there a movie that he

1385
01:09:49.079 --> 01:09:50.819
was a part that he's involved in that you might

1386
01:09:50.859 --> 01:09:53.199
recommend something that that's on Wes's playlist?

1387
01:09:53.260 --> 01:09:56.880
I can look at my cheat sheet over here. Honestly,

1388
01:09:56.899 --> 01:09:59.079
there were there were a bunch that I did not

1389
01:09:59.140 --> 01:10:00.880
know that he was involved in.

1390
01:10:01.859 --> 01:10:03.739
It's kind of surprising when you look at his filmography.

1391
01:10:06.289 --> 01:10:10.649
But the one that caught my. Well, I mean, just

1392
01:10:10.789 --> 01:10:13.770
I mean, I'm sorry, I was the TV version, but

1393
01:10:13.789 --> 01:10:16.270
I mean, I'm looking he's got here. Let's just go

1394
01:10:16.289 --> 01:10:17.430
up to the top or get the number.

1395
01:10:18.119 --> 01:10:20.300
Yep.

1396
01:10:20.300 --> 01:10:21.090
64.

1397
01:10:21.090 --> 01:10:24.840
64 directing credits. Yes. Done a lot of TV work.

1398
01:10:25.000 --> 01:10:26.140
He's done some amazing work.

1399
01:10:26.159 --> 01:10:28.380
A lot of TV work. Yeah. But you've got to remember,

1400
01:10:28.420 --> 01:10:31.579
back in those days, we watched TV. We had three

1401
01:10:31.600 --> 01:10:34.729
stations and we watched them around the clock. Well, at

1402
01:10:34.739 --> 01:10:36.020
least until that night when they went off.

1403
01:10:37.390 --> 01:10:39.069
I think he even did episodes of Smallville, didn't he?

1404
01:10:39.270 --> 01:10:39.789
If I remember correctly.

1405
01:10:39.810 --> 01:10:41.770
He did do episodes of Smallville. Yes, Smallville.

1406
01:10:42.529 --> 01:10:44.649
Yeah. One of the many shows that I binge-watched in

1407
01:10:44.689 --> 01:10:46.090
my old age. Yeah. Yeah.

1408
01:10:50.069 --> 01:10:51.869
Wes is, while Wes is looking for his pick, I'll

1409
01:10:51.890 --> 01:10:55.930
tell you, he mentions TV work. In 1989, he did

1410
01:10:55.970 --> 01:10:59.279
a TV movie for NBC called The Nasty Boys. Oh, yeah.

1411
01:11:00.039 --> 01:11:03.920
And it was so popular that it spun off into

1412
01:11:03.939 --> 01:11:05.880
like a, they did like a limited series. You know,

1413
01:11:05.899 --> 01:11:08.359
they had the Janet Jackson song as like the theme

1414
01:11:08.380 --> 01:11:11.210
song of the show. That movie was awesome. And it

1415
01:11:11.250 --> 01:11:12.930
does not get enough credit. If I could find that,

1416
01:11:13.890 --> 01:11:15.390
I don't care. Even if someone had a bootleg of it,

1417
01:11:15.569 --> 01:11:17.869
I'm buying it because I love that. I love that

1418
01:11:17.909 --> 01:11:18.989
TV movie, you know?

1419
01:11:19.010 --> 01:11:24.109
Yeah. Dresden Files. That's the one I was looking for,

1420
01:11:24.130 --> 01:11:24.750
and it's at the top.

1421
01:11:24.789 --> 01:11:25.909
There it is. Oh, yeah.

1422
01:11:26.149 --> 01:11:28.010
But that was one. That's a good one, too. He

1423
01:11:28.029 --> 01:11:28.989
did Dresden Files?

1424
01:11:29.409 --> 01:11:33.149
Yeah. Yeah. That was a very underrated show. Very underrated show.

1425
01:11:33.189 --> 01:11:34.369
Oh, absolutely it was.

1426
01:11:34.750 --> 01:11:34.949
Yeah.

1427
01:11:34.970 --> 01:11:37.350
Dave, what are you going to recommend for us? The

1428
01:11:37.369 --> 01:11:37.750
Rosenthal fans.

1429
01:11:37.770 --> 01:11:42.069
I highly recommend in 1983, Bad Boys, starring a very

1430
01:11:42.109 --> 01:11:43.170
young Sean Penn.

1431
01:11:43.630 --> 01:11:47.770
Read my mind, my friend. Yep. 83, Bad Boys.

1432
01:11:47.909 --> 01:11:48.210
Yeah.

1433
01:11:48.270 --> 01:11:50.689
He played what? Nick O'Brien, who was sent to reform

1434
01:11:50.729 --> 01:11:54.649
school because he killed his rival's kid brother. Yep.

1435
01:11:54.689 --> 01:11:56.090
Played by our buddy, Eastside Morales.

1436
01:11:56.109 --> 01:11:57.609
Eastside Morales, who you have met.

1437
01:11:58.390 --> 01:11:58.510
Yep.

1438
01:11:58.789 --> 01:12:01.560
Ali Shidi, Alan Ruck, and Clancy Brown, Jeff.

1439
01:12:01.960 --> 01:12:06.319
Yep. Who I've, I've met him, what, last year. Yep.

1440
01:12:07.039 --> 01:12:09.199
And it's always fun, like when you, I mean, Wes,

1441
01:12:09.279 --> 01:12:10.699
don't get me wrong, we love, we love what you

1442
01:12:10.720 --> 01:12:12.340
guys do for us to give us this opportunity, but

1443
01:12:12.699 --> 01:12:14.479
when you meet someone just out in the open, like

1444
01:12:14.510 --> 01:12:16.840
just bump into him at a store or on the street.

1445
01:12:17.539 --> 01:12:17.760
Yeah.

1446
01:12:17.840 --> 01:12:21.439
Clancy Brown in bad boys. Uh, this is right, but

1447
01:12:21.470 --> 01:12:24.649
this is a couple of years before he does Highlander guys. Uh,

1448
01:12:24.729 --> 01:12:28.090
first off guys, absolutely. One of the kindest guys, friendliest

1449
01:12:28.130 --> 01:12:31.329
guys you'll ever talk to. Um, cause I, I, I

1450
01:12:31.350 --> 01:12:33.149
met him. I wasn't, it wasn't a convention when I

1451
01:12:33.189 --> 01:12:35.689
met him and you know, I said, excuse me, Mr.

1452
01:12:35.729 --> 01:12:35.949
Brown.

1453
01:12:35.989 --> 01:12:37.500
I just wanted to say, I'm a, I'm a big

1454
01:12:37.539 --> 01:12:39.979
fan of your, your work. And he was, Oh, Hey,

1455
01:12:40.000 --> 01:12:42.000
thanks a lot. I appreciate that. And we, you know, he,

1456
01:12:42.600 --> 01:12:44.649
he chatted for a little bit and then I, you know, I,

1457
01:12:44.949 --> 01:12:46.949
Didn't want to linger. I let him, you know, got

1458
01:12:46.979 --> 01:12:50.300
out of his way. But, yeah. Dave, you mentioned some

1459
01:12:50.340 --> 01:12:54.119
names there. Alan Ruck, famous for playing Cameron in Ferris

1460
01:12:54.159 --> 01:12:54.819
Bueller's Day Off.

1461
01:12:55.220 --> 01:12:55.399
Yep.

1462
01:12:56.140 --> 01:12:59.119
Ally Sheedy. This is their– and Clancy Brown. This is

1463
01:12:59.140 --> 01:13:03.020
their feature film debuts, all three of them. So one

1464
01:13:03.039 --> 01:13:04.760
of my– I'd say it's a top five prison movie

1465
01:13:04.800 --> 01:13:07.699
for me for sure. I love Bad Boys. It's awesome.

1466
01:13:08.100 --> 01:13:10.319
Own it. Love it. check it out. If you haven't watched,

1467
01:13:10.359 --> 01:13:13.520
we should, we should cover bad boys at some time.

1468
01:13:14.640 --> 01:13:16.779
This will not be the last Rosenthal episode next year.

1469
01:13:16.819 --> 01:13:22.050
We will cover bad boys, you know? All right. Well, Wes,

1470
01:13:23.270 --> 01:13:25.189
I gotta tell you, man, it's been a blast having

1471
01:13:25.229 --> 01:13:28.850
you back. You know, we, we can't wait to, you know,

1472
01:13:28.949 --> 01:13:30.130
it's great to see you, but it's, it's going to

1473
01:13:30.149 --> 01:13:33.630
be so much more fun when we get to see,

1474
01:13:33.649 --> 01:13:35.170
we get to see you live in person in a

1475
01:13:35.189 --> 01:13:36.890
couple of weeks down in Lexington.

1476
01:13:37.909 --> 01:13:40.010
Well, if you're looking for me to stand at the

1477
01:13:40.050 --> 01:13:43.979
top of the escalator for about 20 minutes, that's the

1478
01:13:44.020 --> 01:13:44.720
general rule.

1479
01:13:45.380 --> 01:13:48.119
Okay. Well, you already told me, like, I think we

1480
01:13:48.220 --> 01:13:50.439
were talking like, hey, how are we going to celebrate this?

1481
01:13:50.479 --> 01:13:51.989
And you mentioned bourbon, so.

1482
01:13:52.409 --> 01:13:53.489
Yeah.

1483
01:13:54.770 --> 01:13:58.989
We'll bring the bottle. You bring the glasses, my friend. Wes,

1484
01:13:59.130 --> 01:13:59.670
what up?

1485
01:13:59.710 --> 01:14:01.449
Red Solo cups for me. Yeah.

1486
01:14:02.380 --> 01:14:06.760
Uh wes um you guys are gonna be this is

1487
01:14:06.819 --> 01:14:08.840
this is the first week of october today i believe

1488
01:14:08.859 --> 01:14:12.260
today is october 3rd so we've got you guys are

1489
01:14:12.520 --> 01:14:14.880
how how far how close do we get to scare

1490
01:14:14.899 --> 01:14:18.000
fest with with uh the friday the live thing that

1491
01:14:18.020 --> 01:14:19.840
you guys are doing on friday is the announcement so

1492
01:14:19.880 --> 01:14:23.239
we we still got some some more to to go or.

1493
01:14:24.460 --> 01:14:26.279
You know that is a somebody else asked me that

1494
01:14:26.300 --> 01:14:30.220
today okay we've got a few more loaded ready to

1495
01:14:30.260 --> 01:14:37.239
go okay we've For whatever reason. But I know technically

1496
01:14:37.279 --> 01:14:41.670
we're almost done. The wild card is we do still

1497
01:14:41.710 --> 01:14:45.270
have contracts out. Actually on a couple of big names

1498
01:14:46.470 --> 01:14:51.199
that we were waiting on filming commitments for. Okay. You know,

1499
01:14:51.340 --> 01:14:53.119
am I going, are you going to be filming? So

1500
01:14:54.359 --> 01:14:57.260
it could be, we could be done this week. Or

1501
01:14:57.310 --> 01:14:59.909
we could be announcing, you know, somebody that's just going

1502
01:14:59.939 --> 01:15:01.539
to make you go, oh, my God, I can't believe

1503
01:15:01.560 --> 01:15:05.279
you got them, you know, the week before Scarefest. And

1504
01:15:05.319 --> 01:15:08.760
we're famous for announcing the week before Scarefest. Oh, yeah.

1505
01:15:08.840 --> 01:15:14.119
Well, listen, much to our happy frustration, there's been years

1506
01:15:14.140 --> 01:15:17.000
where we're like, all right, we're budgeted, we're locked in.

1507
01:15:17.020 --> 01:15:19.380
And then more gets added.

1508
01:15:19.479 --> 01:15:21.060
Are you kidding me? Did you just see who they

1509
01:15:21.100 --> 01:15:25.779
just announced? They just dropped us a week before the show? Yeah. So, Wes,

1510
01:15:25.880 --> 01:15:28.550
where do we– I mean, Dave and I know, but

1511
01:15:29.649 --> 01:15:32.710
for our listeners who are like, holy, I got to

1512
01:15:32.750 --> 01:15:35.229
check this out. Where can they get more of Wes

1513
01:15:35.250 --> 01:15:37.229
Forsyth and some Scarefest information?

1514
01:15:38.189 --> 01:15:44.399
Okay, well, we'll start with Scarefest information. Go to Scarefestweekend.com, Scarefestweekend.com.

1515
01:15:44.739 --> 01:15:47.779
Check out the entire lineup. We'll have between 115 and

1516
01:15:47.779 --> 01:15:53.739
120 celebrities on the floor when it's all said and done. Now,

1517
01:15:53.779 --> 01:15:55.060
if you want to find out more about me, you

1518
01:15:55.079 --> 01:16:00.739
go to Scarifestradio.com. Scarifestradio.com. And you can find the archives

1519
01:16:00.779 --> 01:16:04.069
of my weekly video podcast. I left the name there

1520
01:16:04.109 --> 01:16:08.510
for irony. Yes, I did. Yeah, but we do that.

1521
01:16:08.550 --> 01:16:11.010
And then, honestly, if you really want to become part

1522
01:16:11.029 --> 01:16:13.529
of the convention, or, I mean, I should say, you

1523
01:16:13.550 --> 01:16:16.449
really want to get a feel for the people, look

1524
01:16:16.510 --> 01:16:19.319
us up on Facebook and our social media, the fan group,

1525
01:16:19.779 --> 01:16:22.579
like 50,000 people in it, and it's an active fan group.

1526
01:16:23.050 --> 01:16:25.890
And it's a lot of fun. And it's not spammy.

1527
01:16:26.930 --> 01:16:33.270
Everything is moderated. It's very pertinent. So yeah, there's the

1528
01:16:33.329 --> 01:16:35.909
key right there. Just look us up. Google us.

1529
01:16:36.729 --> 01:16:40.029
Wes, I got to tell you, especially when we're talking

1530
01:16:40.060 --> 01:16:44.060
about the social media aspect, you guys have done something

1531
01:16:44.079 --> 01:16:47.920
magical where you have taken fans and turned them into family.

1532
01:16:48.500 --> 01:16:51.100
Because everyone... I'm in those.

1533
01:16:52.810 --> 01:16:55.850
I'm on the pages all the time and everyone is

1534
01:16:55.890 --> 01:16:57.850
the great, you know, everyone's looking forward to like, oh, hey,

1535
01:16:57.899 --> 01:17:00.720
let's meet up on, you know, on this day or

1536
01:17:00.760 --> 01:17:05.119
let's go check out this together. It's a great community.

1537
01:17:05.199 --> 01:17:07.899
It's a great group of people. And the fact that

1538
01:17:07.920 --> 01:17:10.640
you guys, you jump into these, you know, sometimes people

1539
01:17:10.699 --> 01:17:12.909
are like, oh, I love this. And then, wait, there's

1540
01:17:12.930 --> 01:17:15.329
a comment from Wes. There's a comment from Adrian. There's

1541
01:17:15.350 --> 01:17:17.810
a comment from Brandon. You guys, you're a part of it. Like,

1542
01:17:17.850 --> 01:17:20.149
it's your family and you guys take such good care

1543
01:17:20.430 --> 01:17:26.880
of the Scarefest community attendees, the Scarefest fans, and we

1544
01:17:26.920 --> 01:17:27.930
love you guys for it.

1545
01:17:28.359 --> 01:17:29.960
Well, for the record, they keep me on a short

1546
01:17:30.020 --> 01:17:33.560
leash because I'm also the one that when somebody makes

1547
01:17:33.619 --> 01:17:37.989
a snarky comment... You're the enforcer, aren't you? I am, yeah.

1548
01:17:38.130 --> 01:17:40.930
I'm not afraid. I'll say what's on my mind. So

1549
01:17:40.949 --> 01:17:45.739
they actually sometimes ask me to stand down and let's

1550
01:17:45.800 --> 01:17:46.640
just let it pass.

1551
01:17:46.659 --> 01:17:47.539
Yeah.

1552
01:17:48.319 --> 01:17:50.640
If you ask a dumb question, I'll give you a

1553
01:17:50.640 --> 01:17:54.430
dumb answer.

1554
01:17:54.479 --> 01:17:58.489
Wes Forsyth, Scarefest weekend 18, right?

1555
01:17:59.329 --> 01:18:00.149
Yes, 18 years.

1556
01:18:00.189 --> 01:18:06.109
Yeah, 18 already. Listen, tickets are available. Go to the

1557
01:18:06.149 --> 01:18:09.579
website Wes told you about. And listen, I'm telling you

1558
01:18:09.600 --> 01:18:11.979
right now from experience, Dave, back me up here. If

1559
01:18:12.020 --> 01:18:14.699
you think you're going to do this on a Friday

1560
01:18:15.340 --> 01:18:17.340
or a Saturday, you think one day is going to

1561
01:18:17.380 --> 01:18:20.579
be enough? you're going to regret it. You better buy

1562
01:18:20.619 --> 01:18:26.039
that weekend pass. You need all three days to truly appreciate, enjoy,

1563
01:18:26.100 --> 01:18:29.420
and take in. It's an experience. This experience. Yeah.

1564
01:18:29.460 --> 01:18:29.880
Yeah.

1565
01:18:30.180 --> 01:18:30.880
It absolutely is.

1566
01:18:31.739 --> 01:18:34.859
I would add, make sure even if you can only

1567
01:18:34.890 --> 01:18:36.600
come for a day, spend the night.

1568
01:18:37.350 --> 01:18:38.210
Yeah, absolutely.

1569
01:18:38.510 --> 01:18:40.829
That much stuff goes on after hours. Agreed.

1570
01:18:40.909 --> 01:18:41.270
Oh gosh.

1571
01:18:41.329 --> 01:18:42.989
Yeah. The after hour stuff that you guys do is

1572
01:18:43.090 --> 01:18:45.390
just insane. It's so much fun. Like I said, it's like,

1573
01:18:47.149 --> 01:18:49.840
It's like a weekend in Vegas. only it's like a

1574
01:18:49.840 --> 01:18:53.180
weekend in vegas only it's it's scary and it's it's

1575
01:18:53.239 --> 01:18:55.779
fun you know and it's and you're not gonna lose

1576
01:18:55.819 --> 01:18:57.390
much money at least not the way that you're thinking

1577
01:18:57.409 --> 01:19:00.550
you're gonna lose it so uh you know you're gonna

1578
01:19:00.590 --> 01:19:02.630
you're gonna you're gonna have a good time for sure

1579
01:19:03.569 --> 01:19:07.020
well um I think that's going to do it for us, Dave.

1580
01:19:07.840 --> 01:19:11.420
We are officially on the road to Scarefest, where we

1581
01:19:11.460 --> 01:19:14.939
will join Wes and probably 10 or 20,000 other maniacs

1582
01:19:15.359 --> 01:19:20.170
for what is undoubtedly the best horror-centric convention. Just like

1583
01:19:20.210 --> 01:19:23.470
last year, we'll have plenty of great moments and celebrity

1584
01:19:23.489 --> 01:19:26.710
interviews to share with you. And along the way, we've

1585
01:19:26.729 --> 01:19:30.380
got a month full of James Gunn, gore, and masked

1586
01:19:30.539 --> 01:19:34.970
slashers to discuss. So please join us on social media.

1587
01:19:34.989 --> 01:19:38.840
You can find us on YouTube, Instagram, Facebook X. We

1588
01:19:38.859 --> 01:19:41.439
love interacting with you, sharing opinions, taking your requests for

1589
01:19:41.460 --> 01:19:46.159
future episodes, debating great movies. We've been debating Halloween 2

1590
01:19:46.159 --> 01:19:50.569
with Wes Forsyth. And to all of you listening to

1591
01:19:50.609 --> 01:19:55.430
the show, following us, subscribing on our Patreon, we absolutely

1592
01:19:55.449 --> 01:19:57.090
thank you. And we'll see you next week.