March 22, 2026

Alejandro Amenabar - The Others

Alejandro Amenabar - The Others

Meryl & Kidman Month continues this week with a haunting, atmospheric thriller! Amber and Angela dig into Nicole Kidman's gripping performance, and the slow-burn narrative of Alejandro Amenabar's chilling 2001 exploration of grief, denial, and...

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Season 7
Meryl & Kidman Month continues this week with a haunting, atmospheric thriller!

Amber and Angela dig into Nicole Kidman's gripping performance, and the slow-burn narrative of Alejandro Amenabar's chilling 2001 exploration of grief, denial, and horror in The Others!

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Have you ever seen a ghost? Do you believe in ghosts?

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I've never seen a ghost.

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I believe that they do exist. I mean, I feel

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like there's so many things that we don't know or

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can't really explain.

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But I could see some troublemakers.

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In the hereafter wanting to not crossover or have you know,

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some things done.

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So I mean, I'm definitely open to the idea of it.

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Well, I don't know if I one hundred percent believe

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in ghosts in like the traditional sense, but I kind

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of believe more in like echoes, Okay. And so my

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experience was we had a dog that was our family

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dog for like fifteen years, and after he died, we

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were all sitting in the family room, no one else

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in the house, no other pets in the house, and

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we heard him am come down the stairs and we

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all of us turned like to look to see, like

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are we going to see him come in the room,

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And we didn't see anything. We just kind of all waited,

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and then we all just looked at each other and

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we were like, Okay, so I guess Zeek's here.

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Oh.

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That is the one time that I can definitely say

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like something happened that the five of us could not explain.

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Oh that, yeah, that's that's sweet.

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I mean I'm having a bunch of animals, you know,

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in my life and say goodbye and I have you know,

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their memorials.

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And the pictures still up. You know, I just always

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kind of feel that they're still with me, period. So

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I would not be sad about connection. Yeah, no, not

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at all.

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So that kind of GHEs like I would be okay with.

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But yeah, I don't.

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I don't know what I would human ghost like I

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obnestly don't know what I would do with myself. I

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think I would be excited, but like, I don't know.

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Now, Like you know, you hear about the you know,

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I'm huge Anglo philes, so you know, you hear about

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certain castles having their particular ghosts that people have, you know,

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sworn that there are certain queens.

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Or yeah, like you can see London, Yeah, I mean

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I was there during the day, so I can't. But

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I just want to see the ravens. I don't really

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care if I see her.

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There were yeah, there were plenty of ravens there.

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But uh, that that that would be interesting, that kind

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of you know, historical uh you know, hey, can you

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tell me.

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What you know?

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I really all went down that kind of thing, but

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I I would rather not cross a a supernatural presence

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that has, you know, vengeance, and.

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I don't I hate being scared. Yeah, yeah, thank you? No, no, no, no, no,

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all right, well, listeners, bearing that in mind. As you know,

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we have changed things up this season and instead of

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discussing underrated classics, we are diving into hit films from

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two thousand and one and two thousand and six that

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are celebrating their twentieth or twenty fifth anniversaries this year. Now,

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are you sitting comfortably then I'll begin. We are discussing

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the two thousand and one hit from Alejandro Amenabar the others.

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Welcome everyone, I'm Amber Lewis, I'm Angela Norris, and this

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is a film by podcast. We are continuing Women's History

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Month by throwing the boys out of the studio for

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the day and continuing with our Nicole Kidman Meryl Streep theme.

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We started with Meryl Streep's two thousand and six hit

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The Devilwares Praduct and continued with a contentious conversation about

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Nicole Kidman's two thousand and one film Moulain Rouge and today,

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like I said, we're doing something completely different and we're

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talking about the Others starring Nicole Kidman and directed by

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Alejandro Amenabar. Now, Angela, this was your first time watching

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this now?

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Yes?

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Okay, So it is possible twenty five years on that

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people have not seen it. So if you're one of

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those people like Angela that's new to the fun, there

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will be spoilers in this conversation. So pause the movie

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or pause the podcast, go watch the movie and then

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come back. Otherwise, don't say we didn't warn you. So

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let's begin by talking about our director, Angela. I've got

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three facts and a quote for you, okay. Alejandro Amenabar

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is a well known Spanish filmmaker, but this was his

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first English language film. Here are some like three things

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that you may not know about him. He was only

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twenty eight when he directed this film. This was his

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third film, and he not only wrote the screenplay and

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directed the film, he also composed the score, and he

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does this for all of his films. He would play

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or hum pieces of the score you know that he

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was working on while filming to help kind of create

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the mood or you know, do like kind of a

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stinger if you needed to startle them or something like that,

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which I think is really cool, you know, to have

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that atmosphere.

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Yeah, i'd have I'd have to look up how many

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director writers also do the.

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You know soundtracks and with that, I don't hear that

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trifecta that often. So, but it would be interested to

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dive into, you know, that that fact of how, if

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what others are there?

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Yes, for sure, he is an agnostic, but says if

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he had to believe in ghosts, he would believe in

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the kind of ghosts in this film. He says that

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in this case, they are a metaphor an excuse to

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talk about other things like relationships, the dark side of family,

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the way children are taught, you know, whether those things

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are correct or not, and ghosts are just the key

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to unlock those conversations. And then finally, he has admitted

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to being an asshole as a director for his first

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two movies because he didn't take actors seriously. He is

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focused on his shots, and now he thinks the actor

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is the best special effect and the most important thing

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in the movie. He works everything around their performance.

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Well, you know, I think many of us in our twenties.

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Probably would have had a little bit more of that

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that you know, attitude you know, with certain things, until

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you wisen up.

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And kind of have more of an appreciation and understanding

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for things.

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So yes, like I mean directors, right, but how many

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directors like never learned that? How many of them like

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are still like? Yes, you know, even Alfred Hitchcock famously said,

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you know, actors are cattle. Yeah he was just about

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you know, creating the mood and his shots and things

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like that. But I mean it's a great effect, so

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you know.

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Right, But also who is going to perform these things exactly,

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mister Hitchcock, So you do need to have at least

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some uh, you know, professional and reasonable amount of respect.

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I mean, these aren't you know, just randos, you know,

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not who don't know anything what they're doing, but trained

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usually pennies, yeah, you know, especially I mean while not

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all of them are professionally trained, a good chunk of

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them are or have had enough experience under under their

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you know belt. So unless you're dealing with a bunch

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of newbies out the gate, I mean, and now you

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you've got to pick Nicole Kidman out of them, so you.

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Know, I'm glad he learned that lesson before he worked

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with her.

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Yeah, and uh, I know, you know, we had already

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done our podcast for Mulan Rugs, but since we're you know,

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on this, she actually almost didn't do the role because

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of coming off of you know, that bright and bubble

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kind of thing, and she really didn't want to go

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to the dark place that was want to be in

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this movie.

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Yeah for sure. And then before we move on here,

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it is a quote from him that kind of it

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fits with everything we just talked about. He said, my

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movies are not movies of answers, but of questions. And

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I love when directors do that. I love it when

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they don't like not everything has to be spelled out,

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you know, I can think about it or argue about

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it afterwards or something like it's okay, yeah, all right.

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So this season, Jeff has introduced a new I don't

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know a thing to torture me with.

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This one was a little This one was a bit

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hard for me. My mind.

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Why might be pretty lame, but I really did try

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to think.

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My head still hurts, seriously.

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I torture over it every.

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Summer, easier than others. But this one was difficult for Yeah.

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Like, I'll tolerate it for this season, but next season

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I'm a petition hard though.

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Seven.

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No, Yeah, we're gonna move on to something else. Anyway.

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We're gonna do our five word synopsis, so we're going

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to try to give you an idea of what the

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film's about using only five words. So, Angela, where'd you

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come up with since we're both miserable?

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Yeah, out of the handful that I've tried, I'm gonna

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go with this one dead family unaware they're dead.

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Oh.

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You can't do that though, because it like it does

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give it away reveal.

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Haunted manner. I'm sorry.

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Yeah, Oh that one's good. That one's good. Mine is

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William William woman protects children from intruders.

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See now that Yeah, that that's that was the second.

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That's the best.

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Yeah, that that's a fantastic one. And yes, it doesn't

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give it away. Sorry, but I was like, right, creepy

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house family and servants just that could be.

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Yeah, I'm yeah, I'm good at it.

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I hate that, but I definitely failed in this one's torture.

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Well.

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Now, your second one was good though, and it would

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have worked if it hadn't been like a movie where

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you kind of don't want spoilers, So, yes, did you

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know going in you know anything?

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No, I didn't know.

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I had a I mean I remember hearing about the

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movie or knowing that she was in this. But since

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I've uh historically never been much for the horror horror genre,

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I definitely had a different idea of what that was

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going to be. Now I'm all about I love psychological thrillers.

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I love like the suspense. I don't like the gore.

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I do like a really good, good thinker. So I

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did not realize that this was going to be more

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of that than you know, just a bunch of creepy

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he goes in the dark house just gonna be popping

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out every five seconds and startling my nervous system.

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And so so I never watched it.

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Yeah, like, of the of the two, there's abe the

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conjuring that you would go into it thinking it's gonna

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be like this, and it's more like stuff jumping out

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at you and people screaming, and it's I cannot I'm

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just like.

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I think, if I remember, there's more my speed because.

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That that one has, uh Patrick Wilson.

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If I remember, I think maybe a date might have

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had tried, had me watching that one. I think it

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was that one, and I was just like, I can't

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even And you know, obviously I wasn't with that guy

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that long time.

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I was gonna say that one didn't last long.

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I'm like, I can't hint.

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Oh no, thank you?

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No, no, no, no, I mean I've seen worse, right, right, and

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I watch worse.

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Yeah, I'll watch any horror movie. I don't care. But yeah,

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if I'm gonna choose like Haunted House Story, this is

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definitely more my speed. So let's take our first break

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and then we'll come back and we will talk about

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the cast. Welcome back. We are discussing the two thousand

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and one film the others. Let's get into this cast.

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I mean, really, it's Nicole Kimven's show. Like she is

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in almost every single scene. I think there's like two

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maybe three that she's not in and they're brief. Yeah,

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And I find that so impressive when an actor can

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just hold a movie like that.

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No, absolutely, this is one of my favorite performances that

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she's given. She said that she was so disturbed by

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her character that she had nightmares and actually quit during rehearsals.

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She was like, I cannot, it's just too much.

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Yeah, i'd read that.

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I mean now seeing the film, I mean there's you know,

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multiple layers to it, which again, I you know, I

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wasn't you know, expecting, but yeah, when I read that

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kind of quote, I don't know, I was like, really,

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I don't know. Maybe I'm being I'm not trying to

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be flip it with it, but I just I guess

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I didn't realize. You know, even though it's kind of

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very subtle and like a slow burn and not all

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like up in your face, is still very like calm

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and collected for the most part that you know, you,

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at least me, I wouldn't think that that would have

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so much of an emotional wear on her.

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But I don't know. My question is is this the

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most tightly wound character in the history of cinema? Because

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I feel like between her or Ingrid Bergman and Gaslight,

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like the kind of neck and.

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Neck Yeah, no, phantom of comparison, Yeah.

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Like completely tightly wound. Right one second.

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From yeah, and you wonder, like, what what happened to

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make you be like this?

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Because obviously we see that she's.

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On her own and you and you do know, like

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the era that she's you know, and so nineteen forty five,

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so it's at yes, uh after you know, I believe

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she said World War.

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Two, yeah, had had been over.

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So yes, you're kind of wondering, Okay, well what are

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you doing out here in this huge hosh you note

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by yourself, and then you know, we come across like

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everything's dark, and then the children. I'm like, I'm like,

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is this a vampire movie?

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You know?

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I'm like, are your children vampires? And the dark Lord

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is out out roaming hate home or something? So I

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was wondering, I'm like, is this gonna have a Dracula

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angle to it?

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Yeah? Because but I didn't know, I just it was

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a haunted house movie. Back the first time I watched it,

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I couldn't wait to see it. But I had a

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baby and so I couldn't like just run off to

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the movie. I was a single mom, so I like

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never went to the movies, so I had to wait

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for it to come out on DVD. But luckily, like

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it never got spoiled. Okay, you know, but like the

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Internet wasn't a.

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Huge we were still yeah, we were still kind of.

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In the like and I wasn't on it anyway. I

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was dealing with the baby, so yeah, it wasn't spoiled

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her anything. And so when she says, you know, to

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the servants, I should probably introduce you to the children now,

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and she has them closed all the curtains, and then

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she lights the lamp and they go upstairs and she

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leaves them in the hallway and she goes in to

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wake the kids up, and I'm like, are they gonna

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come out like there's something wrong with that? Are they monsters?

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Like the kids?

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Yeah?

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And then they're normal, so You're like, core.

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I was also thinking, are.

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You some kind of a very strange form of abuse,

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like what, Yeah, you know, like keeping your kids hostile?

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Like what is going you know? So there's all you

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know right at the beginning, you're so not sure about

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what this woman is about.

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Yes, and the kids I think are spectacular. And then

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like they never went on to do anything else.

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Yeah, I looked it up on a Yeah, I'MDB so

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just seeing me like this was just kind of their

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one thing. And then I did read that they they

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had cast the.

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Sun fairly quickly, but it took them a little bit

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while with the daughter because they wanted a child that

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could really match.

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With Nicole, you know, Nicole Kidman, And I mean I

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think she did a very good job with that.

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Spectacular Like, I mean, there are scenes where I remember

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I watched this with my mom. She and I cuddled

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up on the couch and turned out all the lights,

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you know, and there were scenes where we were chuckling

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because you know, the fights that they have would kind

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of to each other, like I remember those.

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Yeah, I will say, like, man, this is I'm getting

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a very familiar sensation, you know.

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Taking down.

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Absolutely you know, the poor son, and you know he's

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you know, seems trying to keep the peace and and

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but there.

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Are so innocent, yea sweet and you know it's still

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kind of a baby. He's only like seven, I think,

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so yeah, I thought he was just absolutely precious. And

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I just I mean, you know, everybody moves on and

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does what they're meant to do in life, but like

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especially a la kena man who plays the daughter. She

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was so good. I'm like, wow, I believe this was it,

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you know, but right, I'm glad that they found her

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for this movie for sure. Were you familiar with Finola Flanagan.

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Yes, yes, I've seen her and a whole ton of stuff.

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And she's been in a slew of movies, you know,

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Divine Secrets of the Yay Sisterhood. I've seen her on

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uh so, I watch a lot of British television, so

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I've seen her on various shows with that. So so

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actually as soon as I she popped.

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I was like, I know her. I'm like cool.

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I was like, let's see what she's gonna, you know,

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bring to this in a you know again got that

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you know, mysterious surrounding them. But you know, it wasn't

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uncommon for people in that field, you know, servants off

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that you you know, could go around house to ask

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and hey, if there's a you know, ployment, you know

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available things, especially.

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Such a huge manor house. Like yeah, she said when

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they used to work there, there was like fifteen servants

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that she was in charge of. So yeah, that's a

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pretty decent and besides staff, you.

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Know, yes, so it was, but it was also like, okay,

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why are they showing up?

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I'm like, okay, are these guys? Are these going to

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be the murderers?

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Right?

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You know, they're gonna slowly kill those poor women and

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like kids.

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How much they love the house. I'm like, are they yeah,

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are they going to kill? And like they want the

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house for themselves?

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Like yeah, But I love that.

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As an Irish person myself, I love that she was

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Irish because they're so in touch with like superstition and

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mythology and yeah and everything that I thought it fit

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perfectly that she would be a little mysterious and kind

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of in tune with things that Nicole Kimman like has

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no clue about, right, and.

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She's definitely like ma'am, like, what are what are you

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going on about? Yeah?

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You know, well, you know, I I love that the

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character of Grace just you can tell she's not very intelligent.

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She's not very well educated. Like women of that time,

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they were coming out of the system where you didn't

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have higher education. You were kind of raised by a

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governess that kind of more taught you about how you

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were going to raise that family and run a household

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and you know, domestic things like that, not even practical

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domestic because you had staff for that, you know. And

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so she has this very narrow, rigid conception of religion

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and black and white and right and wrong. And I

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just think that the way Nicole Kidman plays her insecurity,

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especially when Anne challenges her. Yes, I think is really interesting.

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We also have it's a very small cast, but we

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have my son's favorite doctor, who doctor Christopher eccleston shows

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up as Grace's husband who's been off in the war,

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and he comes home for a brief visit and kind

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of I feel like he very interestingly pushes the narrative

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forward without doing a whole lot because he allows Anne

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to finally we don't know, but she tells him what

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happened the day you know, mummy went mad is all

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we hear her say. But he finds out what really happened,

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right and tells Grace. You know, she apologizes to him,

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and he's like, you need to apologize to the kids.

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You don't apologize to me, which is kind of weird

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when then you find out what it was that you did.

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I'm like, well, she kind of does need to, even

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though I.

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Don't know because he's so outside like reality, you know.

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I thought it was very interesting the way they played him,

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because you can it reads as he's shell shocked. I

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thought the first time I saw it and I thought

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he's just broken, you know, from being at war. But

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it also makes sense when you find out the reveal

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as well, Like you know, one minute he's on the battleground,

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the next minute he's wandering through this fog, and then

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he's home. But his family shouldn't be here. Why are

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they here? I thought he played all that just really well.

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And he's only in the movie for like ten minutes.

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Yeah, but it was definitely very impactful, and you you know,

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I mean his arrival is the point where I was like, Okay,

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I have a feeling.

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I know part of what is. I just don't know how.

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You know, did you figure it out before the big reveal?

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Because I didn't. I was like knocked on the floor.

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Well, I I guess I should have kind of because

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especially when you know she goes to leave the house

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and she she wants to get the.

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Priest or. I was thinking it was a priest.

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Yes, she wants yes, and now she wants him to

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bless every room.

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Right, So when she's going out there and then you know.

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The servant, missus Mills, you know, mix a comed you know,

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she'll kind of figure it out. You know, she's not

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going to get far, and then it just the fog

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thickens and things like there's no she can't see anything,

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she can't find her way out, and then all of

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a sudden, the husband appears.

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I was like, Okay, this is definitely feeling very much

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after life stuff.

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But but for whatever reason, my brain didn't connect that, Hey,

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that must mean that, yeah, if he obviously died in

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the war, then that means she's dead because then you're

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still kind of brain has focused on Yeah, but then

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why are all like the intruders? And then the daughter

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got possessed by the old lady and you're thinking that,

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you know, So I'm like, Okay, something's got this has

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got to be. Like they're totally isolated. You can't get anywhere.

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It's like you know the movie Identity, where you know

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everything is like trapped and you're in this one space

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no matter you know, you think you're getting away, but no,

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you are stuck in this. And in that particular movie

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was in someone's mind. But so I knew something was

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comping up. I said, he's not he's not alive, but

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she can see him, and you know, so.

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Happened.

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You're like, oh freaking dr oh my god, I was

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so well done.

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Yes, I thought it was gonna be that that was

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her because Anne can see the intruders, yes, and can

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see the others. So I thought, well, this is Grace

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is interacted with the others, but she hasn't seen them,

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and this will be her first step toward being able

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to see them, to see them.

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But yeah, I had the revealing Yeah, speaking of the others,

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we only see them briefly in a couple of scenes.

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Did she recognize Victor's mom?

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I did.

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It was the Game of Thrones mom and Hermione Grangers mom.

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For the Harry Potter fans. Yes, And as I saw her,

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I was like, ah, yes, I was like, yeah, I'm

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so sorry about your your death and the right.

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In the Game of Thrones freaking Red wedding.

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Yeah, oh my god.

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Not to try to go Tanta, but just funny because

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it reminds me of my mom, Like she really got

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into that show, which cracked me up because that's really

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not usually.

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Something she would get into.

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But she would go on and on and on about

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the Red Wedding like, I'm so traumatized.

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I can't believe I I can't even watch that one again.

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I'm just.

476
00:26:57.000 --> 00:27:00.640
So so For weeks on end, I had to hear about, Yeah,

477
00:27:01.240 --> 00:27:03.559
her not being able to get over the Red wedding.

478
00:27:03.559 --> 00:27:06.599
And I said, well, not if you keep talking about it, right.

479
00:27:08.000 --> 00:27:10.359
I gotta put that down and move on.

480
00:27:11.480 --> 00:27:14.839
I was like, Yeah, let's talk about Kit Harrington's behind.

481
00:27:14.960 --> 00:27:17.640
Let's talk about that instead. Anyway, I digest.

482
00:27:19.440 --> 00:27:20.799
That is a show for another time.

483
00:27:21.039 --> 00:27:21.440
M hmm.

484
00:27:22.000 --> 00:27:25.720
But I remember in Yeah, of course, the first time

485
00:27:25.720 --> 00:27:28.319
I saw this, I didn't know her. I hadn't seen

486
00:27:28.319 --> 00:27:33.240
her in anything, and you only see her, like I said, briefly. Well, then,

487
00:27:33.440 --> 00:27:36.720
of course, years later, Postgame of Thrones, I'm watching the

488
00:27:36.759 --> 00:27:40.960
Others with my son and we come to the scene

489
00:27:40.960 --> 00:27:43.240
with the Seans and she and you see her, And

490
00:27:43.359 --> 00:27:44.880
he was like, callin start what.

491
00:27:47.759 --> 00:27:48.559
It's so funny.

492
00:27:48.599 --> 00:27:50.759
Yeah, when you allow enough time to go by and

493
00:27:50.759 --> 00:27:52.480
then all of a sudden, it's like I know you,

494
00:27:52.559 --> 00:27:54.920
and I know because probably back in two thousand and one,

495
00:27:55.039 --> 00:27:57.000
other than Nicole Kim and I wouldn't have had any

496
00:27:57.160 --> 00:27:58.079
any idea.

497
00:27:57.799 --> 00:28:01.160
Who uh you know, no, no one else you know

498
00:28:01.279 --> 00:28:02.279
in that movie.

499
00:28:02.400 --> 00:28:07.759
Yeah, but I do love Michelle Fairley's character in this

500
00:28:08.240 --> 00:28:13.160
Missus Marlish, because she is like the one person who,

501
00:28:14.039 --> 00:28:16.000
in the very little bit of time you see her

502
00:28:16.319 --> 00:28:20.160
one hundred percent makes sense, like she is like, Okay,

503
00:28:21.039 --> 00:28:24.240
fuck this house, like I'm out. We are leaving in

504
00:28:24.279 --> 00:28:28.279
the morning, and her husband's like, well, but it's kind

505
00:28:28.279 --> 00:28:32.680
of interesting, and she's like, no, it's not leaving. You

506
00:28:32.720 --> 00:28:34.839
could say I play with the gest, me and the

507
00:28:34.920 --> 00:28:36.200
kid are out of here.

508
00:28:36.680 --> 00:28:40.440
She is the only voice of yeah, reason insanity product

509
00:28:40.759 --> 00:28:42.920
and who has a clear idea of like no, this

510
00:28:43.000 --> 00:28:43.960
is no.

511
00:28:44.240 --> 00:28:45.559
Yeah, we're not doing this.

512
00:28:46.319 --> 00:28:49.000
And from that you can definitely tell she's a very

513
00:28:49.039 --> 00:28:52.640
different woman from yeah, Nicole Kinman's character of you know,

514
00:28:53.200 --> 00:28:56.680
different upbringing things like that, because you know, I Grace

515
00:28:56.720 --> 00:29:00.359
would have been oh, you know, whatever you want to do, honey.

516
00:29:00.599 --> 00:29:02.279
I feel like she would have been more of a

517
00:29:02.480 --> 00:29:02.839
you know.

518
00:29:03.160 --> 00:29:06.200
Well, But I did get the feeling that because the

519
00:29:06.279 --> 00:29:08.559
others have been in the house for a while, like

520
00:29:08.640 --> 00:29:12.599
this goes on for probably a couple of weeks, I think.

521
00:29:12.839 --> 00:29:15.160
I mean, time doesn't really pass the way you think

522
00:29:15.200 --> 00:29:19.240
it does, right, so who really knows, But it's definitely

523
00:29:19.319 --> 00:29:20.200
been a few days.

524
00:29:20.880 --> 00:29:23.880
Yeah, I will say it felt definitely like a short space.

525
00:29:24.200 --> 00:29:29.319
Yeah, But I think that in that they're both highly

526
00:29:29.359 --> 00:29:32.400
protective of their children. I think Michelle Fairley was like

527
00:29:33.359 --> 00:29:35.799
putting up with it, and yeah, it's kind of creepy

528
00:29:35.960 --> 00:29:39.519
and okay, well we'll see and yeah, we'll bring this,

529
00:29:40.400 --> 00:29:43.480
you know, medium in and whatever. And then when she

530
00:29:43.559 --> 00:29:46.559
found out like what happened to the family and then

531
00:29:46.599 --> 00:29:48.839
they're seeing ghosts on top of that, she's like, forget

532
00:29:48.839 --> 00:29:53.079
it right, I'm out. We're not playing anymore. Yeah, no, no, no, no, no, no,

533
00:29:53.079 --> 00:29:57.119
no no. All right, let's move on and talk a

534
00:29:57.200 --> 00:29:59.359
little bit about the film's production. I don't have a

535
00:29:59.359 --> 00:30:02.799
whole lot I really wasn't. I don't either a lot

536
00:30:02.799 --> 00:30:08.119
of information. But interestingly enough, the movie is set on

537
00:30:08.160 --> 00:30:13.759
the island of Jersey, which it's a weird area of

538
00:30:13.799 --> 00:30:18.359
the world because they don't really belong to England, but

539
00:30:18.359 --> 00:30:21.920
they're like loyal to England, but they're like right next

540
00:30:21.920 --> 00:30:26.440
to France and they're just this island that's kind of

541
00:30:26.480 --> 00:30:29.279
their own thing. They've got their own government. You know.

542
00:30:31.319 --> 00:30:35.400
It's a very interesting place. But it's not filmed there.

543
00:30:35.480 --> 00:30:40.440
It's filmed in Spain, yes, which there is nothing Spanish

544
00:30:40.519 --> 00:30:43.960
about any of this. Like I was completely invested in

545
00:30:44.039 --> 00:30:45.160
this old manor house.

546
00:30:45.559 --> 00:30:49.359
I wouldn't have thought that that was a Yeah, since

547
00:30:49.920 --> 00:30:53.640
again from maybe just so used to all the British television.

548
00:30:53.680 --> 00:30:55.720
I watched in the period pieces that are usually taken

549
00:30:55.799 --> 00:31:01.359
place in England that definitely looks like a standard I'm.

550
00:31:00.920 --> 00:31:02.880
Like, Okay, Spain has these too.

551
00:31:02.880 --> 00:31:05.799
I right, they got their going on over there.

552
00:31:06.480 --> 00:31:13.440
Yeah, I did. I did not realize, yes, language right.

553
00:31:16.720 --> 00:31:22.160
I know the Lake District, I know things also, I

554
00:31:22.200 --> 00:31:29.400
did not realize until I have a DVD copy of this.

555
00:31:29.519 --> 00:31:33.759
And in the bonus features there is a whole little

556
00:31:34.039 --> 00:31:38.759
mini documentary about the disease that the children have. It's

557
00:31:38.799 --> 00:31:43.039
actually a real thing. It's called xeoderma pigmentosum. It's very rare.

558
00:31:43.160 --> 00:31:45.200
Only about a thousand people in the world have it,

559
00:31:45.319 --> 00:31:50.839
and it is a very severe allergy to sunlight, to

560
00:31:50.920 --> 00:31:52.400
any really powerful light.

561
00:31:53.039 --> 00:31:54.759
Which is just so crazy.

562
00:31:55.079 --> 00:31:58.039
Yeah, because yeah, and and you know the idea that

563
00:32:00.240 --> 00:32:02.000
you know a little some of this. You got to

564
00:32:02.000 --> 00:32:06.119
watch this movie more than once, for sure, but you

565
00:32:06.279 --> 00:32:09.519
kind of miss some of the details of their illness

566
00:32:09.680 --> 00:32:11.880
in the film because you're distracted by other things. But

567
00:32:12.000 --> 00:32:15.200
Nicole Kimmen says at one point, like if they went

568
00:32:15.240 --> 00:32:17.319
out in the sun, they would break out in hives

569
00:32:17.359 --> 00:32:22.200
and blisters and then eventually stop breathing. Breathing yeah, which

570
00:32:22.519 --> 00:32:28.319
you know, like the skin effects like you could probably manage,

571
00:32:28.400 --> 00:32:28.960
you know, but.

572
00:32:31.000 --> 00:32:33.880
Yeah, like not breathing very dangerous.

573
00:32:34.599 --> 00:32:36.720
And can you imagine like you have a baby and

574
00:32:36.759 --> 00:32:39.039
you take it outside, like for a walk or something,

575
00:32:39.119 --> 00:32:43.599
and you know this horrible reaction. Like I am completely

576
00:32:43.799 --> 00:32:48.039
I love how the movie makes you so empathetic to Grace.

577
00:32:50.039 --> 00:32:54.960
You just can't imagine the strain and the pressure of

578
00:32:55.680 --> 00:32:58.119
you know, having a child with medical complications. I was

579
00:32:58.119 --> 00:33:00.599
blessed to have a healthy child, but you know, to

580
00:33:00.680 --> 00:33:03.119
have a child with a complex medical condition is one

581
00:33:03.119 --> 00:33:06.680
thing to have it, yeah, both of them, and it

582
00:33:06.759 --> 00:33:09.920
makes you trapped in this house. Yeah, and then you

583
00:33:09.960 --> 00:33:13.480
know the island is occupied because it's a war. I mean,

584
00:33:14.400 --> 00:33:16.119
you know, you got Nazis all over the place.

585
00:33:16.200 --> 00:33:20.680
So having to keep track of doors locked, doors closed, and.

586
00:33:20.720 --> 00:33:21.880
You know where the lightning thing.

587
00:33:21.960 --> 00:33:25.599
You know, that would make anybody nervous, you know, wreck

588
00:33:25.680 --> 00:33:29.200
of how you've in the hole, even like watching her

589
00:33:29.240 --> 00:33:31.160
when she's as you know, one kid is in one

590
00:33:31.279 --> 00:33:33.759
room and it seems like it's down the hall or

591
00:33:33.799 --> 00:33:36.440
on another floor, and then she's got to run you know, back,

592
00:33:36.799 --> 00:33:38.640
I'm like, oh my god, and then she's got.

593
00:33:38.519 --> 00:33:40.039
All these freaking keys dangling.

594
00:33:40.119 --> 00:33:44.640
I'm like that alone was just making my anxieties shoot up,

595
00:33:45.039 --> 00:33:48.079
let alone being in charge of So, yeah, you do

596
00:33:48.400 --> 00:33:50.640
feel for her that she's got to go through all

597
00:33:50.680 --> 00:33:54.240
these little steps and then just one mishap where you

598
00:33:54.359 --> 00:33:56.480
forget to fully shut, you know, a door all the

599
00:33:56.519 --> 00:34:00.039
way and then your kid can't breathe. I mean that

600
00:34:00.000 --> 00:34:03.119
that would make you not want to breathe either, you know,

601
00:34:03.359 --> 00:34:05.960
or make it difficult to breathe. Just trying to stay

602
00:34:05.960 --> 00:34:08.000
on top of all those little things and.

603
00:34:08.000 --> 00:34:09.119
Their movements at every time.

604
00:34:09.159 --> 00:34:12.400
And then, like you said, well, in darkness and isolated

605
00:34:12.440 --> 00:34:15.400
and no fresh air, no I mean good.

606
00:34:15.320 --> 00:34:19.559
Yeah, I she mentioned and I had kind of missed this,

607
00:34:19.840 --> 00:34:23.920
I think in previous watchings and I've seen this movie

608
00:34:24.000 --> 00:34:30.360
a lot. But she says that her family left right

609
00:34:30.400 --> 00:34:35.519
before the occupation. Her family left. The occupation occurred in

610
00:34:36.639 --> 00:34:40.639
June of nineteen forty, so her family left before that,

611
00:34:41.719 --> 00:34:46.280
and then she's been there for five years, so.

612
00:34:46.239 --> 00:34:49.119
Making on her out like maybe two kinds.

613
00:34:49.760 --> 00:34:54.159
Yeah, And so the thought that like it's just her

614
00:34:54.280 --> 00:34:57.039
and the servants in this house. She doesn't have any support,

615
00:34:57.079 --> 00:34:59.719
she has no family, very little in the way of

616
00:34:59.800 --> 00:35:04.440
canmmunity support because everybody's on lockdown because they've been invaded.

617
00:35:04.519 --> 00:35:07.119
And then her husband leaves and goes off to fight, right,

618
00:35:08.800 --> 00:35:13.639
you know. It's what she does in this moment of

619
00:35:14.159 --> 00:35:19.079
panic is so horrific that my knee jerk reaction if

620
00:35:19.079 --> 00:35:21.679
I had just heard that, I would be like, well,

621
00:35:21.800 --> 00:35:24.360
to hell with her, like, you know, screw this bitch.

622
00:35:24.599 --> 00:35:26.960
She's horrible, you know. But I love the way the

623
00:35:27.000 --> 00:35:31.519
movie really builds that anxiety and shows you kind of

624
00:35:31.599 --> 00:35:35.800
what she has had to live with, which doesn't excuse

625
00:35:35.880 --> 00:35:40.119
what she did, but it at least makes you empathetic

626
00:35:40.239 --> 00:35:42.960
to her and makes you understand she really does love

627
00:35:43.000 --> 00:35:43.559
her children.

628
00:35:43.800 --> 00:35:46.239
Yes, yeah, and you can yeah, I mean at any

629
00:35:46.280 --> 00:35:49.559
part even when you do find out what it happened.

630
00:35:49.559 --> 00:35:56.800
That definitely, there was no doubt about that, but also.

631
00:35:56.599 --> 00:35:58.719
You know, making you think, I mean, even you know,

632
00:35:59.760 --> 00:36:02.800
to versus you know, back in the forties and even

633
00:36:02.840 --> 00:36:05.760
before that, if just the lack of understanding as far

634
00:36:05.800 --> 00:36:08.679
as you know mental health and mental wellness and so,

635
00:36:08.880 --> 00:36:12.159
you know, and that kind of support and the stress

636
00:36:12.199 --> 00:36:14.039
you know that a mother can go through and then

637
00:36:14.519 --> 00:36:18.760
at their most darkest and you know, a fully you know,

638
00:36:18.800 --> 00:36:21.039
going like you said, a panic or they just completely

639
00:36:21.079 --> 00:36:25.599
emotionally crash and they completely lose all, you know, just

640
00:36:25.679 --> 00:36:29.440
completely disconnected and detached from their own life that they

641
00:36:29.639 --> 00:36:34.840
are capable of, you know, doing something so horrific and uh,

642
00:36:34.920 --> 00:36:37.079
well it's so awful, you know, it's and that it

643
00:36:37.159 --> 00:36:39.599
had to get to that spur in the moment, yeah,

644
00:36:39.599 --> 00:36:45.960
like panic induced, yeah, snap, and then to like come

645
00:36:46.039 --> 00:36:49.519
out of this state and realize, you know what she did.

646
00:36:49.599 --> 00:36:52.320
I just got Yeah, you know, your heart just breaks

647
00:36:52.360 --> 00:36:57.800
for now. You had mentioned getting back to the production.

648
00:36:58.760 --> 00:37:02.079
You're not a big horror movie person. Have you seen

649
00:37:02.159 --> 00:37:07.440
the nineteen eighty film The Changeling with George C. Scott? No, okay,

650
00:37:07.480 --> 00:37:09.800
well it'll scare the pants off you. I cannot watch

651
00:37:09.840 --> 00:37:12.199
it at night. I will only watch it during the day.

652
00:37:12.639 --> 00:37:15.800
But if you like this movie, you'll really like that one.

653
00:37:16.239 --> 00:37:16.519
Okay.

654
00:37:17.320 --> 00:37:21.320
But and this movie has I think it's interesting that

655
00:37:21.400 --> 00:37:26.440
both Alejandro Amenabar and Gamma del Toro both loved this movie,

656
00:37:26.480 --> 00:37:30.719
and Gamma del Torra has put homages to that film

657
00:37:30.880 --> 00:37:35.360
in his film's, specifically Crimson Peak, which I.

658
00:37:35.239 --> 00:37:36.079
Had seen that one.

659
00:37:36.159 --> 00:37:40.880
Yeah, but in this one, Uh, there are several nods

660
00:37:40.960 --> 00:37:44.480
to that movie as well, the most obvious one being

661
00:37:44.559 --> 00:37:48.199
that the gardener, mister Tuttle is that's also the name

662
00:37:48.320 --> 00:37:51.320
of the caretaker of the house that George C. Scott

663
00:37:51.360 --> 00:37:56.559
lives in in The Changelings. So the minute she introduced him,

664
00:37:56.559 --> 00:37:57.599
I was like, what the heck.

665
00:37:58.039 --> 00:38:00.800
Oh, it's nice when they can when they incorporate little

666
00:38:00.800 --> 00:38:03.000
shout outs like that to things that have inspired them

667
00:38:03.079 --> 00:38:05.079
and well and when they know.

668
00:38:05.039 --> 00:38:08.639
You know, the Changeling is a brilliant, brilliant, brilliant movie.

669
00:38:09.519 --> 00:38:12.639
So when you see you know, filmmakers, I love it

670
00:38:12.639 --> 00:38:16.039
when you know, if they say they admire Hitchcock or

671
00:38:16.679 --> 00:38:19.119
you know, David Lean or somebody, I'm like, aha, see

672
00:38:19.159 --> 00:38:23.000
this person has done their research and they're smart and

673
00:38:23.119 --> 00:38:26.199
they're not afraid to, you know, steal from the masters.

674
00:38:27.320 --> 00:38:30.599
Well yeah, I mean it's it's uh what they what's

675
00:38:30.639 --> 00:38:31.239
that phrase?

676
00:38:32.320 --> 00:38:32.440
Uh?

677
00:38:34.519 --> 00:38:36.639
This part I know, the part what is the first

678
00:38:36.679 --> 00:38:40.159
one of the imitation is the highest form of flattery. Yes,

679
00:38:40.800 --> 00:38:43.800
I mean, not necessarily stealing, but you know taking, Hey,

680
00:38:44.039 --> 00:38:47.079
this was a master way of doing this, and then

681
00:38:47.280 --> 00:38:48.800
kind of using it and putting your own, you know,

682
00:38:48.960 --> 00:38:50.840
you know a little twist on that. I mean, that's

683
00:38:50.880 --> 00:38:54.280
what the greats are all about that legacy and incorporating

684
00:38:54.320 --> 00:38:57.000
that and then you know, keeping that, keeping that alive.

685
00:38:57.159 --> 00:38:59.760
So I mean, to me, I think it's a it's

686
00:38:59.760 --> 00:39:02.559
a it's a compliment and a nice way of you know,

687
00:39:02.599 --> 00:39:05.039
like I said, shouting out to you know, those who

688
00:39:05.039 --> 00:39:07.199
came to you know, for you and inspired you. And

689
00:39:07.320 --> 00:39:08.719
if it hadn't been for them.

690
00:39:08.599 --> 00:39:10.480
Maybe you wouldn't be, you know, doing this.

691
00:39:10.559 --> 00:39:12.719
And then what if your work then goes on and

692
00:39:13.159 --> 00:39:15.440
inspire someone else here, So just you know keeps you know,

693
00:39:15.480 --> 00:39:17.199
going on and on and on. So I think that's

694
00:39:17.199 --> 00:39:21.320
a and that's what being creative and artistic is a

695
00:39:21.400 --> 00:39:22.159
huge part of that.

696
00:39:23.159 --> 00:39:27.440
Yeah. Absolutely, was there anything else about the production that

697
00:39:27.480 --> 00:39:30.440
you found that I didn't? It's like I didn't a lot.

698
00:39:32.119 --> 00:39:34.519
I found this one little trivia bit which I just

699
00:39:34.800 --> 00:39:39.239
find funny just because this movie was released the same

700
00:39:39.239 --> 00:39:42.000
week that her divorce from Tom Cruise was finalized.

701
00:39:42.880 --> 00:39:44.559
Yes, and it made me think of.

702
00:39:44.559 --> 00:39:47.119
The picture of her coming out on the court house,

703
00:39:47.199 --> 00:39:51.599
Oh my gosh. Yeah, and like just you could see

704
00:39:51.639 --> 00:39:53.480
like the relief and I don't That's just what it

705
00:39:53.480 --> 00:39:54.800
made me think of that. So when I saw that

706
00:39:54.840 --> 00:39:57.639
little tribut I was like, oh, I'll incorporate this if

707
00:39:57.639 --> 00:39:58.159
it comes up.

708
00:40:02.039 --> 00:40:04.760
All right, well, let's take a break and then we'll

709
00:40:04.800 --> 00:40:14.559
move on to the specific scene that we liked. All right,

710
00:40:14.639 --> 00:40:18.599
welcome back, as we discuss Alejandro Amena Bar's two thousand

711
00:40:18.599 --> 00:40:24.000
and one film The Others starring Nicole Kidman. Instead of

712
00:40:24.119 --> 00:40:28.639
choosing the pivotal moment this season, it can be the

713
00:40:28.639 --> 00:40:33.159
pivotal moment, but we're choosing, you know, kind of our

714
00:40:33.239 --> 00:40:37.519
favorite scene. Did we choose it for the cinematography, for

715
00:40:37.840 --> 00:40:41.960
a strong performance, the direction? Was it the pivotal moment?

716
00:40:43.039 --> 00:40:45.800
Some films like The Da Vinci Code or Mulan Rouge.

717
00:40:45.880 --> 00:40:48.079
For me, it was the one scene that didn't piss

718
00:40:48.119 --> 00:40:52.960
me off. But fortunately this film, I love every frame.

719
00:40:53.239 --> 00:40:57.639
So it was more finding a scene, just narrowing it

720
00:40:57.679 --> 00:41:01.280
down to one. But what scene did you choose and

721
00:41:01.280 --> 00:41:02.280
why did you choose it?

722
00:41:03.199 --> 00:41:06.519
I chose the scene where Nicole Kimman gets lost in

723
00:41:06.639 --> 00:41:09.599
the fog, and because I think it was at that

724
00:41:09.679 --> 00:41:10.679
moment where I it's.

725
00:41:10.559 --> 00:41:12.400
Something kind of clicked in with me. I was like, okay,

726
00:41:12.760 --> 00:41:15.039
there nothing is as what.

727
00:41:15.039 --> 00:41:16.599
It seems is like I maybe not be able to

728
00:41:16.639 --> 00:41:19.320
explain it, but there's something very different about.

729
00:41:19.119 --> 00:41:21.079
This family and where they're at and the servants, every

730
00:41:21.159 --> 00:41:24.199
everything and uh. And then when she meets her husband,

731
00:41:24.239 --> 00:41:27.039
it was, you know, obviously very emotional and you could

732
00:41:27.039 --> 00:41:30.119
really feel like, you know, she did a beautiful job

733
00:41:30.159 --> 00:41:32.480
of conveying, like where what are you doing here? I thought,

734
00:41:32.599 --> 00:41:34.199
you know, I thought you died, you.

735
00:41:34.079 --> 00:41:38.199
Know, fighting, And then he seems so lost and brattin

736
00:41:38.280 --> 00:41:42.679
You're not sure exactly what's going on because you are

737
00:41:42.719 --> 00:41:45.639
just automatically assuming that he is being the way he

738
00:41:45.719 --> 00:41:48.280
is because he just came from the front lines, you know,

739
00:41:48.320 --> 00:41:52.519
of a war. Yeah, and uh and everything, and so

740
00:41:52.639 --> 00:41:55.000
that meeting and and everything.

741
00:41:54.639 --> 00:41:57.559
And then then return home. I picked that one.

742
00:41:57.400 --> 00:42:00.920
Just because of the emotional connect, I think, and then

743
00:42:01.039 --> 00:42:05.119
just that was like, oh for me was something is

744
00:42:05.239 --> 00:42:07.840
very strange and it's like it's supernatural and afterlife, because

745
00:42:07.840 --> 00:42:09.480
I don't believe that he really is alive.

746
00:42:09.760 --> 00:42:12.400
But I at that point still believe that she was alive.

747
00:42:13.239 --> 00:42:15.559
But I'm like, I couldn't I couldn't figure it out.

748
00:42:15.639 --> 00:42:18.960
So that's when, because I will admit watch starting to

749
00:42:18.960 --> 00:42:22.519
watch this movie, I was afraid I was going to

750
00:42:22.559 --> 00:42:25.199
be bored because it is a slow burn. So I

751
00:42:25.920 --> 00:42:27.719
born that those who watch it that you know it

752
00:42:27.800 --> 00:42:30.559
is a slow burn, and even some of you're like, Okay,

753
00:42:30.599 --> 00:42:33.239
this is starting to get maybe slightly tedious, but I

754
00:42:33.320 --> 00:42:35.679
but then I understand you know that the building part

755
00:42:35.800 --> 00:42:37.039
of you know Spencer.

756
00:42:36.719 --> 00:42:38.960
And then once you start getting really into it what

757
00:42:39.079 --> 00:42:39.639
all is going on?

758
00:42:39.679 --> 00:42:44.559
You're like, oh, so it's got a very satisfying reveal

759
00:42:44.679 --> 00:42:46.760
and everything, so it is worth it, so hang in there.

760
00:42:46.800 --> 00:42:50.039
Because I I almost was like why, I'm like, what

761
00:42:50.199 --> 00:42:52.119
might be watched and I was like, Okay, I'm glad

762
00:42:52.119 --> 00:42:56.199
I watched it. So being a newbie and that scene

763
00:42:56.239 --> 00:42:56.719
that that's.

764
00:42:56.599 --> 00:43:01.360
Why I think that one So for me, I love

765
00:43:01.599 --> 00:43:07.440
the cinematography in this film, and it was between two

766
00:43:07.480 --> 00:43:12.599
different scenes. The first one that I didn't choose, like

767
00:43:12.639 --> 00:43:18.840
they're kind of similar, is the scene after the one

768
00:43:18.880 --> 00:43:23.360
I did pick, where Grace's in the she goes into

769
00:43:23.440 --> 00:43:26.840
the junk room because she thinks that Lydia is in

770
00:43:26.880 --> 00:43:29.679
there cleaning and stomping around and making a bunch of noise.

771
00:43:30.400 --> 00:43:35.079
And then she sees that Lydia is outside, and she

772
00:43:35.199 --> 00:43:38.079
sees all the servants are outside. There's nobody up there,

773
00:43:38.599 --> 00:43:41.360
so she goes to investigate and I love the play

774
00:43:41.519 --> 00:43:45.639
on all of these pieces of furniture covered in you know,

775
00:43:45.719 --> 00:43:49.719
drop claws like dust covers. So it's a play on

776
00:43:50.000 --> 00:43:54.679
ghosts in sheets. And so I love that scene. But

777
00:43:54.760 --> 00:44:02.400
before that, you get this teeny tiny little moment. Anne

778
00:44:02.679 --> 00:44:06.800
has told Grace that, you know, there's a boy that

779
00:44:06.840 --> 00:44:11.719
she's seen and his name is Victor, and Grace doesn't

780
00:44:11.760 --> 00:44:18.159
believe her. Well, then that night, she and Nicholas interact

781
00:44:18.239 --> 00:44:22.199
with Victor in their bedroom and Nicholas gets scared out

782
00:44:22.239 --> 00:44:26.559
of his wits, and Grace is furious because she thinks

783
00:44:26.599 --> 00:44:29.280
Anne's just messing with him because she's kind of a

784
00:44:29.280 --> 00:44:33.960
bratty older sister. So Anne is being punished and she's

785
00:44:34.000 --> 00:44:36.119
made to sit on the stairs and read the Bible.

786
00:44:37.039 --> 00:44:39.159
And so there's a scene where she's sitting on the

787
00:44:39.159 --> 00:44:43.800
stairs with just this one shaft of candle light illuminating her,

788
00:44:43.840 --> 00:44:46.760
and missus Mills walks down the hall carrying a tea

789
00:44:46.840 --> 00:44:49.480
tray and she looks up at Anne on the stairs,

790
00:44:50.000 --> 00:44:56.159
and that moment. I just love that shot because to me,

791
00:44:56.440 --> 00:45:00.039
that's if you were living in this house and you

792
00:45:00.039 --> 00:45:01.519
you got up in the middle of the night to

793
00:45:01.559 --> 00:45:04.760
go get a glass of water from the kitchen. That's

794
00:45:04.800 --> 00:45:07.440
the ghost you would see, you would see, you know.

795
00:45:07.480 --> 00:45:10.800
And I could see myself saying to Liam the next day,

796
00:45:10.920 --> 00:45:13.639
like you will not believe what's happened. I was walking

797
00:45:13.679 --> 00:45:15.000
down the hall and I looked up and I saw

798
00:45:15.039 --> 00:45:16.719
this girl sitting on the steps, and I could see

799
00:45:16.760 --> 00:45:18.599
Liam looking at me, going, oh yeah, the girl on

800
00:45:18.639 --> 00:45:22.719
the stairs. Shoes there all the time, you know, And

801
00:45:22.840 --> 00:45:25.519
that to me is just like such a haunted house

802
00:45:26.400 --> 00:45:30.639
like ghost moment, and once you know the reveal that

803
00:45:30.679 --> 00:45:34.920
they are the ghosts, I just think it's perfect. I

804
00:45:35.119 --> 00:45:36.960
just just love.

805
00:45:36.800 --> 00:45:39.000
It well, doing all the.

806
00:45:40.519 --> 00:45:43.599
Lighting, especially with the you know, being dark, and how

807
00:45:43.639 --> 00:45:47.440
well like I could still see things on my TV

808
00:45:47.480 --> 00:45:49.000
because you always worry about you know.

809
00:45:49.320 --> 00:45:51.800
Oh my gosh, yeah, speaking of like Game of Thrones

810
00:45:51.840 --> 00:45:54.679
where you couldn't see you and nothing, and I was

811
00:45:54.840 --> 00:46:00.480
so frustrating. To me, I thought that was very well yeah,

812
00:46:00.480 --> 00:46:02.679
because I mean I don't know how they lit it.

813
00:46:02.719 --> 00:46:05.599
I know it's some scenes they did use candlelight, but

814
00:46:06.400 --> 00:46:08.679
a lot of it is it's either kind of the

815
00:46:08.760 --> 00:46:13.559
diffused daylight. It's not really sunlight because it's a foggy,

816
00:46:14.039 --> 00:46:17.599
but the diffused daylight coming in the windows or these candles,

817
00:46:17.599 --> 00:46:22.320
these you know, lanterns in the fireplace. But yeah, they

818
00:46:22.360 --> 00:46:25.360
still make it so that you're able to see, which

819
00:46:25.400 --> 00:46:32.239
is fabulous. All right, let's talk about the numbers. The

820
00:46:32.280 --> 00:46:36.199
budget was seventeen million. It grossed two hundred and ten

821
00:46:36.320 --> 00:46:37.199
million dollars.

822
00:46:37.639 --> 00:46:39.480
I was like, dang, I mean, I.

823
00:46:39.440 --> 00:46:41.800
Remember it being huge, but I didn't know it was

824
00:46:41.880 --> 00:46:43.519
like that huge.

825
00:46:43.679 --> 00:46:46.920
Yeah, I had no idea. I was like, oh wow,

826
00:46:47.039 --> 00:46:50.880
oh well, well good for them, right, I hadn't Yeah,

827
00:46:51.920 --> 00:46:54.559
I had no firm of reference or yeah, nothing that.

828
00:46:55.519 --> 00:46:57.719
And I think, I don't know if I if I

829
00:46:57.800 --> 00:47:00.639
read that wrong, but that it's still like the highest

830
00:47:00.679 --> 00:47:03.840
grossing Spanish made by a director.

831
00:47:03.920 --> 00:47:06.760
I could be I didn't copy well.

832
00:47:06.840 --> 00:47:10.119
And I also saw but it's something similar. That was like,

833
00:47:11.039 --> 00:47:14.559
it's also one of the highest grossing horror films. And

834
00:47:14.599 --> 00:47:19.960
I think that's like a budget to gross ratio. But yeah,

835
00:47:20.039 --> 00:47:23.559
now you mentioned it was released August tenth, two thousand

836
00:47:23.599 --> 00:47:33.159
and one, when Nicole Kimmel was finally freed from But

837
00:47:33.280 --> 00:47:37.039
it only ranked fourth at the box office. It was

838
00:47:37.159 --> 00:47:42.599
behind It had some heavy competition. It had American Pie Too,

839
00:47:43.480 --> 00:47:48.159
Rush Hour two and The Princess Diaries. Yeah, so I

840
00:47:48.159 --> 00:47:50.880
mean that's you know, a pretty big challenge. But then

841
00:47:51.079 --> 00:47:53.719
in subsequent weeks it bumped up to number two.

842
00:47:53.840 --> 00:47:59.000
So but I think being in that genre again, I

843
00:47:59.079 --> 00:48:02.360
don't really I'm not in the horror genre, but uh,

844
00:48:03.039 --> 00:48:05.400
I don't know if it's typically kind of difficult for

845
00:48:05.440 --> 00:48:09.320
those type of movies to get to number one, unless

846
00:48:09.360 --> 00:48:11.639
you know, like what the screen franchise, I don't know,

847
00:48:11.679 --> 00:48:13.679
is that still hit? And yeah, I mean I think

848
00:48:13.719 --> 00:48:15.239
I was a kid when that first one came out,

849
00:48:15.360 --> 00:48:16.239
Jesus right.

850
00:48:17.880 --> 00:48:19.559
I think it's one of those things. It's kind of

851
00:48:19.599 --> 00:48:23.199
like the like the pins comic book movies, Like if

852
00:48:23.239 --> 00:48:26.960
you've got big names and big stars and a big director,

853
00:48:27.239 --> 00:48:31.280
you know they'll open big. But this is, you know,

854
00:48:31.679 --> 00:48:34.239
this Spanish director that not a lot of people knew,

855
00:48:34.480 --> 00:48:38.360
and Nicole Kidman is a star, but like she wasn't

856
00:48:38.360 --> 00:48:41.119
the hugest starback then, no.

857
00:48:41.199 --> 00:48:43.639
And then also you know, kind of having her in

858
00:48:43.679 --> 00:48:45.480
that particular kind of beauty.

859
00:48:45.760 --> 00:48:48.159
And I also feel like maybe that's why I didn't

860
00:48:48.199 --> 00:48:50.199
watch it. I don't other than like the Onst thing.

861
00:48:50.840 --> 00:48:53.360
But I also feel like this one did not have

862
00:48:53.760 --> 00:48:56.760
I think it built the word of mouth that like

863
00:48:57.320 --> 00:49:00.519
the sixth Sense had, Yes, but definitely. And it's like

864
00:49:00.639 --> 00:49:03.599
the minute it came out, everybody lost their damn minds and.

865
00:49:03.599 --> 00:49:05.480
Was like you have to see this movie. Oh yeah,

866
00:49:05.559 --> 00:49:08.639
and you're like, oh my god, and you're like, oh

867
00:49:08.719 --> 00:49:10.800
my god. This guy was dead and he still showed

868
00:49:10.880 --> 00:49:16.320
up to work. Oh what the hell? Oh yeah, that's.

869
00:49:16.159 --> 00:49:19.280
Why they gave him the expensive frame, because he was dead.

870
00:49:22.880 --> 00:49:26.360
This film does have an eighty four percent fresh score

871
00:49:26.400 --> 00:49:31.039
on Rotten Tomatoes and was the winner of eight Goya Awards,

872
00:49:31.079 --> 00:49:35.320
which that's the Spanish Oscar and it was the first

873
00:49:35.519 --> 00:49:40.000
film to win the Goya Award for Best Picture without

874
00:49:40.039 --> 00:49:42.840
a single word of Spanish being spoken. Do you have

875
00:49:42.880 --> 00:49:43.639
anything for us?

876
00:49:43.840 --> 00:49:46.320
I was just because I know we had mentioned a

877
00:49:46.320 --> 00:49:49.039
couple of things about him, but that made me think

878
00:49:49.039 --> 00:49:51.920
of I know, this particular film won a bunch of

879
00:49:51.920 --> 00:49:55.639
Goya Awards, but the director he won an Academy Award

880
00:49:55.679 --> 00:49:57.960
for a Best Foreign Language Film in two thousand and four.

881
00:49:58.000 --> 00:50:01.320
Star and Javier Bardem called the Sea inside.

882
00:50:02.039 --> 00:50:04.480
So I've just thought that was interesting that he I've

883
00:50:04.519 --> 00:50:06.880
ever seen it, but I'm devastating.

884
00:50:07.000 --> 00:50:09.079
I mean, it's really good.

885
00:50:09.960 --> 00:50:11.880
It does sound yes, so that would definitely be it.

886
00:50:12.239 --> 00:50:15.159
Yeah, that was the first time I saw one Javier

887
00:50:15.159 --> 00:50:17.559
brodem in anything, and it was really hard to watch

888
00:50:17.639 --> 00:50:19.760
him and anything else after. Like it took a while

889
00:50:19.800 --> 00:50:22.039
for me to like build some momentum with him because

890
00:50:22.119 --> 00:50:25.199
I was so all I saw was that movie every

891
00:50:25.199 --> 00:50:30.079
time his face. Yeah, it's very very powerful. All right,

892
00:50:30.159 --> 00:50:32.519
let's take one last break and then we'll come back

893
00:50:32.519 --> 00:50:38.199
and wrap things up, all right. Angela written by, directed by,

894
00:50:38.400 --> 00:50:42.480
or starring, which I mean, I think his projects are

895
00:50:42.519 --> 00:50:45.719
kind of all underrated for us because they're foreign language.

896
00:50:46.119 --> 00:50:50.079
But which underrated project would you suggest by this director?

897
00:50:50.119 --> 00:50:51.679
Have you seen anything else that he did?

898
00:50:52.039 --> 00:50:53.159
That was the problem.

899
00:50:53.239 --> 00:50:56.679
I haven't watched anything else he's done, not even Vanilla Sky,

900
00:50:56.800 --> 00:50:59.480
because while I love Tom Cruise and like Mission Apost movies,

901
00:50:59.519 --> 00:51:00.880
I really meant anything else.

902
00:51:01.039 --> 00:51:05.320
And Cameron Diaz, I know, Oh no, I figured that

903
00:51:05.360 --> 00:51:06.239
would no.

904
00:51:07.719 --> 00:51:10.360
No, that veteran Gangs of New York, and I will

905
00:51:10.400 --> 00:51:13.960
never forgive her and I will never recover that.

906
00:51:14.320 --> 00:51:18.440
I remember going to the theater with my mom and

907
00:51:18.519 --> 00:51:21.599
her friend and she actually had to step out because

908
00:51:21.599 --> 00:51:23.800
of how graphic and violent and that that was a

909
00:51:23.840 --> 00:51:25.719
hard watch. I remember, like I don't know if I

910
00:51:25.760 --> 00:51:28.159
could so that. And meanwhile her friends was like, yeah,

911
00:51:28.199 --> 00:51:31.000
this is awesome. You know it was a guy friend,

912
00:51:31.039 --> 00:51:34.119
so you know, but sorry, it just you brought that

913
00:51:34.239 --> 00:51:37.639
up and it made me and also reminded me that yes,

914
00:51:37.719 --> 00:51:38.599
she in fact was in it.

915
00:51:38.639 --> 00:51:41.000
Maybe I was trying to block that out. Yeah, you're right,

916
00:51:41.079 --> 00:51:44.920
she was from your mind that yeah, not even God.

917
00:51:45.239 --> 00:51:48.880
Yeah. So I mean I love Martin Scorsese. Be holy

918
00:51:49.039 --> 00:51:50.760
crap like some stuff.

919
00:51:50.800 --> 00:51:52.960
Yeah, I mean I I like I said, I could

920
00:51:53.039 --> 00:51:56.400
watch some stuff that That one was very that that

921
00:51:56.519 --> 00:52:00.639
was that was a brutal watch. I haven't seen anything, however,

922
00:52:00.679 --> 00:52:03.559
when I look through. He does have a movie called Agora,

923
00:52:03.639 --> 00:52:08.039
which I sounds interesting when I love Rachel Vise, but

924
00:52:08.079 --> 00:52:14.239
apparently she plays Descriptionnaire, a mathematician, philosopher, and astronomer in

925
00:52:14.280 --> 00:52:17.239
the late entry Roman Egypt. Too in Fadel that challenges it.

926
00:52:17.320 --> 00:52:19.880
So I would be interested in watching that. I'm sorry,

927
00:52:19.920 --> 00:52:22.320
I can't say that I have because I literally have

928
00:52:22.400 --> 00:52:23.679
not watched anything else.

929
00:52:23.679 --> 00:52:24.519
This guy is done.

930
00:52:25.280 --> 00:52:28.840
Yeah, and I kind of wonder when Agora came out

931
00:52:29.519 --> 00:52:34.480
and seeing a trailer for it and being intrigued, but

932
00:52:34.559 --> 00:52:37.400
then like it's sometimes it's hard to find this stuff.

933
00:52:37.840 --> 00:52:39.719
Yeah, I was trying to like, hey, how could you

934
00:52:39.840 --> 00:52:43.199
yeah watch this? So I yeah, so if across my

935
00:52:43.239 --> 00:52:45.639
path or I, you know, have a chance, I will

936
00:52:45.719 --> 00:52:46.440
check that one out.

937
00:52:47.599 --> 00:52:53.559
Well for me, you have yeah, yeah for sure. But

938
00:52:53.679 --> 00:52:58.880
for me, I saw the inside. And while I will say, like,

939
00:52:58.960 --> 00:53:03.920
if you're a Cinophile and you want to watch something brilliant,

940
00:53:04.079 --> 00:53:06.920
like go ahead, but it's not a movie I recommended

941
00:53:06.960 --> 00:53:11.360
people because it's just a devastating But I was lucky

942
00:53:11.440 --> 00:53:17.199
enough to see abre Loshos from nineteen ninety seven before

943
00:53:18.199 --> 00:53:23.199
the dumpster Fire of Vanilla Sky came out, so I

944
00:53:23.360 --> 00:53:28.400
was able to see the original. And it is so good.

945
00:53:28.639 --> 00:53:35.239
It is amazing. And so if you've seen Vanilla Sky,

946
00:53:35.360 --> 00:53:39.800
I'm sorry, but just erase it from your memory. And

947
00:53:40.840 --> 00:53:44.559
abre Loshos is streaming on HBO Max, so head on

948
00:53:44.639 --> 00:53:48.519
over there and watch it. It is a trippy, trippy

949
00:53:48.920 --> 00:53:53.159
good time like it is so good. I love it.

950
00:53:53.280 --> 00:53:57.039
So that's the one. If I'm not recommending the others,

951
00:53:57.239 --> 00:53:58.480
that's the one I'm recommending.

952
00:53:58.800 --> 00:54:01.880
What kind of John would you pop that one?

953
00:54:01.920 --> 00:54:12.280
In? Uh? Mix of like mystery, romance, psychological thriller? Okay,

954
00:54:13.199 --> 00:54:20.960
and then tis times like, huh, because you'll spend a

955
00:54:20.960 --> 00:54:26.280
lot of time doing that. Yeah, but yeah, it's it's

956
00:54:26.360 --> 00:54:29.079
it's a trippy ride, but it's like really good.

957
00:54:30.519 --> 00:54:31.159
I did see that.

958
00:54:31.239 --> 00:54:35.280
He seems to have worked with Penelope Cruise, uh quite

959
00:54:35.320 --> 00:54:35.599
a bit.

960
00:54:36.480 --> 00:54:43.159
Yes, she's kind and she was also Yeah she is

961
00:54:43.639 --> 00:54:48.320
so ironically is married to Javier Bardem. Yes, it's interesting

962
00:54:48.400 --> 00:54:51.760
that she's so good and open your eyes, but it

963
00:54:51.800 --> 00:54:54.440
shows you how bad Vanilla Skuy is because she's in

964
00:54:54.519 --> 00:54:57.679
the Vanilla Skuy playing the same character and she sucks

965
00:54:57.679 --> 00:54:59.920
in that movie, Like everything about that movie.

966
00:54:59.800 --> 00:55:03.039
Is we'll just we'll just blame Tom and Cameron Diaz.

967
00:55:03.239 --> 00:55:09.239
Right, Like Cameron Diaz just dragged them all down her level. Apparently,

968
00:55:09.559 --> 00:55:15.239
I don't know, just gonna ship When he hears us,

969
00:55:15.440 --> 00:55:21.039
he's probably like, but she's beautiful and she looks like

970
00:55:21.039 --> 00:55:27.880
a frog, so I can't even go there. All right,

971
00:55:28.599 --> 00:55:32.960
focus back on topic. Do we recommend seeing this film?

972
00:55:33.800 --> 00:55:36.280
What do you think? You said you enjoyed it, like

973
00:55:37.119 --> 00:55:39.079
you ever watch it again? Was it like I watched

974
00:55:39.079 --> 00:55:41.159
it and I'm good or is this like I'll watch

975
00:55:41.199 --> 00:55:43.280
this at Halloween or something? Yeah?

976
00:55:43.599 --> 00:55:46.599
Maybe maybe for for that I like, I like I

977
00:55:46.639 --> 00:55:49.039
said earlier. It is a slow burn. It did have

978
00:55:49.280 --> 00:55:51.119
the way it kind of starting kept kind of going through.

979
00:55:51.199 --> 00:55:53.199
I was afraid, like, oh god, I'm like, I'm gonna

980
00:55:53.239 --> 00:55:55.920
be so bored and I'm gonna not be so interesting

981
00:55:56.159 --> 00:55:57.840
while I'm trying to talk with this to.

982
00:55:58.239 --> 00:56:02.960
See I am so in that house porn of this movie,

983
00:56:03.000 --> 00:56:05.800
Like I love this house so much, and I love

984
00:56:05.840 --> 00:56:08.480
houses with like where they've got all the doors with

985
00:56:08.519 --> 00:56:13.440
the different keys and so like, I don't even notice

986
00:56:13.440 --> 00:56:15.280
that it's slow in the beginning because I'm just like,

987
00:56:16.039 --> 00:56:16.719
I got lamp.

988
00:56:17.320 --> 00:56:20.760
Yeah, no, I mean, yeah, it did have you know,

989
00:56:20.840 --> 00:56:22.639
I'm like, I want to see the gardens. Do you

990
00:56:22.679 --> 00:56:24.760
have a countin? You know that that kind of stuff.

991
00:56:24.800 --> 00:56:27.079
But uh so, yeah, so, I mean it's got that

992
00:56:27.199 --> 00:56:27.800
slow burned.

993
00:56:27.800 --> 00:56:30.960
But if you just keep with it, pay attention, you know,

994
00:56:31.159 --> 00:56:35.719
and just take it as it is, very uh well

995
00:56:35.920 --> 00:56:41.440
orned like reveal where you're just gonna be like, oh.

996
00:56:39.960 --> 00:56:44.119
I feel so dumb right now. Especially after the farm,

997
00:56:44.119 --> 00:56:45.519
I was like, saw him is not adding up.

998
00:56:45.639 --> 00:56:47.400
I know that I know he's got to be dead,

999
00:56:47.719 --> 00:56:50.239
but I'm not convinced that she's How is.

1000
00:56:50.199 --> 00:56:50.880
This adding up?

1001
00:56:50.880 --> 00:56:52.639
And then when it comes up you're like, oh my god,

1002
00:56:52.719 --> 00:56:52.960
it was.

1003
00:56:53.039 --> 00:56:54.320
Yeah, so it was.

1004
00:56:54.519 --> 00:56:57.079
It was very well done, and I liked, you know,

1005
00:56:57.239 --> 00:56:59.679
the different they didn't give itself away because a lot

1006
00:56:59.719 --> 00:57:01.360
of things what they would say that you would think

1007
00:57:01.400 --> 00:57:05.440
would be clues also could be something else that you

1008
00:57:05.559 --> 00:57:08.760
knew had happened or I'd been done. So there's a

1009
00:57:08.800 --> 00:57:10.400
lot of you know, yeah, distractors.

1010
00:57:10.400 --> 00:57:12.199
You're like, so hang in.

1011
00:57:12.119 --> 00:57:15.320
There, you'll enjoy the reveal and I'll wind up being

1012
00:57:15.599 --> 00:57:18.159
pretty darn good because I was not expecting to be

1013
00:57:18.239 --> 00:57:19.320
as good as it was.

1014
00:57:19.480 --> 00:57:22.440
Or yeah, so mine is you know, of course, one

1015
00:57:22.480 --> 00:57:25.320
hundred percent. I recommend this movie add one hundred, one

1016
00:57:25.360 --> 00:57:27.639
hundred percent. What I love about it is, you know,

1017
00:57:27.760 --> 00:57:31.039
you have this like kind of spectrum for me where

1018
00:57:31.079 --> 00:57:34.079
you have the Changeling that I swear to God, Like,

1019
00:57:34.440 --> 00:57:36.199
after I watched this movie, I thought, ooh, man, I

1020
00:57:36.239 --> 00:57:39.920
watched the Changeling again what was like eight o'clock, and

1021
00:57:39.960 --> 00:57:42.639
I was like, m not gonna watch it now, though

1022
00:57:42.880 --> 00:57:49.559
I will morrow. Jerry did day Tad. So there's that

1023
00:57:49.719 --> 00:57:53.719
end of the spectrum completely terrifying. Then there's like this

1024
00:57:53.760 --> 00:57:56.639
one in the middle, which is just atmospheric and character

1025
00:57:56.719 --> 00:57:59.679
driven and and then on the other end of the spectrum,

1026
00:57:59.719 --> 00:58:04.519
you have of like Hollywood super Blockbuster What Lies beneath that.

1027
00:58:05.599 --> 00:58:11.320
I love that movie so much. I watch it, but I.

1028
00:58:11.239 --> 00:58:13.000
Only saw like a clip of it. I was like, oh,

1029
00:58:13.079 --> 00:58:14.760
maybe I wind I didn't have time.

1030
00:58:14.880 --> 00:58:16.400
Yeah, but yes, that's verd.

1031
00:58:16.639 --> 00:58:19.679
So you have like this trifecta of like similar but

1032
00:58:20.000 --> 00:58:24.320
completely different styles of film. And the thing that I

1033
00:58:24.360 --> 00:58:28.440
love about this one is the rewatch value is so

1034
00:58:28.639 --> 00:58:33.760
great because it's visually interesting, and you know, once you

1035
00:58:33.880 --> 00:58:37.440
know the reveal, it's still entertaining because you see all

1036
00:58:37.519 --> 00:58:41.440
these little clues that you missed along the way and

1037
00:58:41.639 --> 00:58:48.559
all of the little pieces of storytelling that help you

1038
00:58:48.719 --> 00:58:53.880
understand and build what happened to lead her to that event.

1039
00:58:56.239 --> 00:59:00.400
And so I just everything about it. I just completely

1040
00:59:00.480 --> 00:59:04.119
door and I rewatch it, you know, every autumn for sure.

1041
00:59:04.960 --> 00:59:07.280
And what I did also like to there was like

1042
00:59:07.320 --> 00:59:11.559
only maybe one spot that I really jumped out at,

1043
00:59:11.599 --> 00:59:14.280
and that was when she kept hearing someone playing the

1044
00:59:14.320 --> 00:59:17.320
piano and then you know, she'd go in there and

1045
00:59:17.360 --> 00:59:19.760
there's messing with the door, like seeing.

1046
00:59:19.599 --> 00:59:22.039
Was it gonna laugh or whatever, and then that knocked her.

1047
00:59:22.239 --> 00:59:25.599
That one made me jump But uh, so I did

1048
00:59:25.679 --> 00:59:25.960
like it.

1049
00:59:25.920 --> 00:59:29.559
That it wasn't they didn't do an overkill with that,

1050
00:59:29.800 --> 00:59:31.920
and it wasn't just about startling like is.

1051
00:59:32.199 --> 00:59:35.400
Yeah, there's really only one true jump scare in the movie,

1052
00:59:35.440 --> 00:59:41.440
and it's the opening scene, and it's like Alejandro launches

1053
00:59:41.519 --> 00:59:45.000
you with that moment and that to get you like

1054
00:59:46.000 --> 00:59:50.320
on the wrong foot, so that you're never really comfortable

1055
00:59:50.440 --> 00:59:53.440
or relaxed. Yeah, the whole rest of the time. But

1056
00:59:53.480 --> 00:59:56.559
then he never like sells out and does it again.

1057
00:59:57.400 --> 01:00:00.639
Yeah, I will say, yeah, definitely, you are feeling, like,

1058
01:00:00.719 --> 01:00:03.159
can feel that high strung, that anxiety has been through

1059
01:00:03.159 --> 01:00:04.719
with grace and going on.

1060
01:00:04.800 --> 01:00:07.639
I said, well, if a jump scare isn't going to

1061
01:00:07.679 --> 01:00:11.920
get me, the anxiety of this will. Yes, So I'm

1062
01:00:11.960 --> 01:00:15.280
like I fell for her. Yeah, I felt for her

1063
01:00:15.559 --> 01:00:20.840
very very much with that. So kudos that you could

1064
01:00:21.559 --> 01:00:24.800
you know, creep me out, scare me out without having

1065
01:00:24.880 --> 01:00:27.480
to make me pee my pants.

1066
01:00:27.840 --> 01:00:31.719
Yeah, well or you know, or yeah, it doesn't have

1067
01:00:31.800 --> 01:00:35.639
to be gross. There's you know, like we don't have

1068
01:00:35.719 --> 01:00:40.119
to see, you know, what happens to the kids. We know,

1069
01:00:40.519 --> 01:00:43.880
like you know, you don't need to watch. So yeah,

1070
01:00:44.360 --> 01:00:48.679
very very classically done. All right, next time, on a

1071
01:00:48.719 --> 01:00:54.280
film buy Uh Meryl Street. Nicole Kimmen continues with our

1072
01:00:54.400 --> 01:01:00.199
top ten Meryl Street films. I've also got Jeff watching

1073
01:01:01.039 --> 01:01:03.880
the Meryl Street film A Prairie Home Companion, and we'll

1074
01:01:03.880 --> 01:01:08.119
be discussing that. So get your lists of Meryl Street

1075
01:01:08.119 --> 01:01:14.239
performances ready, and I'm sure it'll probably be a friendly argument,

1076
01:01:14.320 --> 01:01:21.960
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1077
01:01:21.960 --> 01:01:24.920
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1078
01:01:24.960 --> 01:01:27.920
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1079
01:01:27.960 --> 01:01:30.719
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1080
01:01:30.800 --> 01:01:34.639
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1081
01:01:34.679 --> 01:01:39.239
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1082
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1083
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1085
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