Feb. 8, 2026

Antoine Fuqua - Training Day

Antoine Fuqua - Training Day
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Season 7
Our Denzel and the Mann month continues with a movie that many believe is Denzel's greatest performance. Jeff and Garret hit the gritty streets of Los Angeles for Antoine Fuqua's Training Day! You wanna go home or you wanna go to jail?

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It's Denzel and the Man month here on a film buy.

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Last week we covered one of Denzel's most underrated performances

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in Tony Scott's Deja Vus. This week, Garrett, we'll be

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discussing what is arguably Denzel's most famous performance, which means

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we'll be talking about a film by Antoine Fuquah. It's

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two thousand and one crime thriller training day.

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So where's the office back in division?

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You're in the office, baby.

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Hello everybody.

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episodes we've done over the last couple of seasons, so

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check that out, Garrett. This is the second time we've

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discussed in Antoine Fuquah film. A few seasons back, Brad

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and I covered Brooklyn's Finest.

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Have you seen that one? Really good?

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Gear? I have actually pretty good film. I think thats

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Wesley Snipes for return to film after the legal trouble.

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Yeah it was.

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Yeah, Yeah, you did your homework. Listeners, go back and

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check that one out.

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I'm gonna tell you.

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Right now, though, there's a film by Fuquah that I've

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been dying to cover for years. But more on that

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one later. We'll talk about that.

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One, Garrett.

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I'm gonna ask you because it's it just hit and

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everyone's talking about it.

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Have you seen this trailer for his new movie, Michael?

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I have not. I actually saw an upcoming project for

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him when I was doing my research on this film,

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but I did not watch the trailer for you yet.

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I need you when we're done here, I need you

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to just go to YouTube and pull up they got

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the full trailer that's just been released. Jafar Jackson, Michael's

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actual nephew is playing him, and this movie looks incredible.

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If you were a Michael Jackson.

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Fan, you You're gonna lose your mind, is what I'm

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gonna tell you.

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That's amazing. Okay.

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I The thing is like, when you look at Fuquah

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and I don't know what your relationship to him is

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like as far as his films go, Like, but what

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I think Fuqua, I think, I think Shooter, I think

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South Paul, the Equalizer Franchise, the Replacement Killers. Yes, I'm so,

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I'm I'm I'm optimistically excited to see what he's gonna

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do with a biopic about Michael Jackson because the guy's

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known for incredible, incredible action stuff. He's known for dramatic stuff.

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Would you agree, absolutely, But at the end of the day,

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he's also a fantastic storyteller. So I'm excited about this

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Michael film now because of all the story that he

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puts into each and every single one of his films.

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Well, before we get into training day, let me tell

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you three things you may not know about Antoine Fuquah

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and I'll give you a quote now. Before his career

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in filmmaking and music videos, Fuquah studied electrical engineering and

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had his mindset on flying jets in the military.

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He's got intelligent gentleman Okay.

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Oh he yeah, definitely is uh.

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He actually caught his big break in Hollywood when producer

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Jerry Bruckheimer offered him the chance to direct Coolio's music

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video for Gangster's Paradise for the uh dangerous lines, great,

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very very atmospheric, very tense music video.

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It is yeah between absolutely yeah.

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Yeah, the stare off, the stare off between Feiffer and

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Coolio and yeah, good stuff there. Uh he had actually

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he had already directed music videos. Uh. His record includes

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working for Stevie Wonder, Prince Tony Braxton, and Heavy D

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and the Boys, just to name a.

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Few some absolute legends there.

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Now he has missed out on a few opportunities to

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work with Denzel. He was originally hired to direct American

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Gangster with Denzel and Benissiel del Toro. This is before

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uh Russell Crowe or Russell Crowe yeah comes along. Okay,

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but at that point in time, Universal canceled the film

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over budget concerns. And here's the one that's gonna blow

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your mind. He was offered the directing job for Man

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of Fire. He turned it down to do King Arthur.

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Ooh, okay. King Arthur was a good film. I'm not

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going to lie, but it is it on par with

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Man on Fire and what we got no now now.

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But I also enjoy how he is able to direct Denzel,

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So yeah, I would have been interested to see that. Absolutely.

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Well, it's interesting to think about it, but it's also

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we got to remember we did get Tony Scott's Man

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on Fire.

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We did, So I'm gonna blow.

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Your mind one more time, but I'm gonna I'm gonna

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hold off on this one little nugget until we get

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a little bit further into the pod. Got a quote

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for you, and I think I think Brad and I

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maybe even talked a little bit about this the first

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time we talked to Antoine Fuquah, But when discussing the impact

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that violence had on his eventual career choice, he had

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this to say.

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I'm quoting him.

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My first big break was when I got shot when

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I was fifteen. It changed my life and made me

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not hang out in the streets as much and go

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to the movies more. Those sort of things are wake

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up calls to have a better appreciation for life and

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a better appreciation for the people around you. From that

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moment in my life, I put all energy into what

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I believed in, and at that time it was playing

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basketball in sports that led me to a scholarship, and

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after that a professor said that I should take an

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art class. I fell in love with an artist by

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the name of Caravaggio. So dude goes from the streets

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to basketball scholarship to.

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Engaging in the arts, the world of art, and in

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languages in colleges.

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It's amazing. Yeah, that's a super fascinating transition there. But

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ultimately it did get him to where he could express

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himself creatively. And honestly, I don't know what we would

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do without some of his films. I mean, there's a

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landmark in Danzel's career and ultimately sinema history.

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I'd like you to express yourself creatively. Here.

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Let's do the five words synopsis, because I got a

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bonus one for you that I can't wait to share it,

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but I want to.

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I want to hear yours first.

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Okay, we've got Rookie cop fights police corruption.

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That's fantastic, and you've got two of my words, so

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I'm gonna give you.

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I'm gonna give you mine.

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I went with Rookie takes down Corrupt Boss. I like it,

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and I said, I got a bonus one for you.

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We've we've been telling our listeners like, hey, if you

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got if you're feeling creative, drop one, maybe we'll shout

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you out. This one comes from one of our Patreon members,

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James Buckley, who we've got We've got one of his

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uh Patreon producer episodes.

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Uh it's brewing right now.

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We got we got a fun Tom Hardy movie that

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we're gonna we're gonna talk about with James here soon.

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But uh, James sent us his five word synopsis.

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Listen to this.

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One, charismatic corrupt cop Cajole's cohort.

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Ooh well, like the word for there as well. Good.

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I mean bonus points for using exactly five words and

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all beginning with the letter C.

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Like, yeah, he's on.

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He's on a whole other level. Man, He's like the Riddler.

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I did have a fun backup one in case you

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didn't like that one is Rookie Cop Survives Training Day.

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I like that one, but that that's a cheat because

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you're not let to use the title. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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that is good though.

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James went on, like James.

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Buckley, he gave us his his five words synopsis, which

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is just a slam dunk. But he also went on

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to say training day is so good. Denzel is basically

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Satan in that movie, and he deserved every award that.

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Came his way. I cannot disagree with James Buckley on

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this one.

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No, because he is such a charismatic villain in this film.

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Yeah.

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Training Day is celebrating its twenty fifth anniversary this year.

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I think, minus the cell phone's being outdated, this one

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holds up. It looks great, doesn't feel even a bit outdated.

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You tell me they shot this in la last year,

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and I believe you absolutely.

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You removed the flip phone from everyone's pocket in this film.

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You're absolutely right. Yeah.

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The only way that you know this is two thousand

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and one is everyone's got a Nokia flip phone.

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Yes, and we all had them.

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Heret I had?

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We did? Yeah, yeah, I mean that is right after

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the break. So that is the coolest phone every right.

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When you think of the world that's presented in Training Day,

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with all its grit and grime, with its almost intimate

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knowledge of the drug game and street life and gang activity,

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does it shock you to know that David Air wrote

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this film?

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It did because I honestly did not remember David Air

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being part of this film, and then I see his

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name pop up there and I'm like, wait, hold on,

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this is written by him. Hold on a second. There's

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no way I don't remember him being attached to this project,

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but he was, and honestly a masterpiece of.

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His Yeah it is, and I'm like, David Ayer, okay.

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And then a quick Google search he grows up in

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Minnesota and Maryland, so he let's just find the whitest.

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States to grow up. And this is the guy that

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wrote Training Day.

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But then you I had to look at his his

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filmography a little bit.

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See what's on his resume. This is the guy that

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gave us.

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He's involved with The Fast and the Furious, Dark Blue Swat,

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Harsh Times, Street Kings, End of Watch, and one of

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my personal favorites, The tax Collector. I don't know if

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you've heard of that one or seen it.

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I absolutely love the tax Collector.

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Yes, and I'm like, how is he doing it? What's

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going on with this guy? Turns out I guess he

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was a little bit of a little bit of a

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hard case himself. He got kicked out as a teenager,

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so he decided to go live with his cousin, who

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just happened to live near South Central Los Angeles.

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So he grew up in this world and that's why that's.

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Why his resume is nothing but movies like Training Day,

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and then it makes perfect sense.

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It does, especially with films like Dark Blue. Like you

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said that, I mean just one of the more gritty

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Kurt Russell films that you get in the early two thousands.

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I mean, just great work on that one as well.

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Dark Blues. We should cover Dark Blue sometime, dude.

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Absolutely, it's my daddy's He built this city with bullets

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like Russell's great in that. David Ara, I don't know

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if you can. It's a blink and you miss it

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the moment for him, but he had. He does have

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a small cameo in Training Day. He's one of the

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Russian mafia hitman that guns down Alonso during the film's

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climactic finale. Okay, I don't want to talk it, I

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don't want to get it. I don't want jump into

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scenes just yet, but can we just.

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Say like it?

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Okay, I've got Alonso in Training Day versus Jimmy Kahn

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and the Godfather. I think this is your your championship

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matchup between guy getting gunned down by his car and

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I don't know who had who got who got it worse? Dude,

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think about this for a second. Who who really got

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the worst end of that?

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It's hard to watch both day.

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I think it is. Uh Man, I'm gonna edge this

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one out for Denzel here because even though I absolutely

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love sonny ah A, Lonzo was just I mean, he's amazing.

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Well, I'm gonna give it to Alonzo, who I feel

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his body is more animated as the bullets are just

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being pumped into him. However, in a photo finish, I

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gave it to con and the only reason I did

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is because he gets the insult injury. After they gut

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him down, the guy, the one guy walks over and

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just kicks him in the face.

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He does.

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Yeah, It's like, cut dude, you just put one hundred

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and thirty seven shots into this guy and you still

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gotta kick him in the face.

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It's insult injury.

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It is insult injury.

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after they unload on the car and he gets out

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and it's the almost like dying animal kind of thing

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where it's like, all right, we're gonna put you out

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of your misery. But then the guy's like laughing after

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he says something in rush and then they just yawnload

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on him and that it's just hard.

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It's brutal.

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Like you're thinking, like he okay, he kind of slumps

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out of the that unbelievable Monte Carlo. You think, okay,

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how about one guy just headshot, Let's just put him

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out of his misery. No, they're just gonna light him

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up like they're at the county Fair. You know, Yeah,

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it's brutal. Let's take a quick break and when we

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We are discussing Antoine Fuqua's Training Day with the legendary

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Denzel Washington. He's playing Detective Alonzo Harris. I was surprised

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to read this. He was hesitant to do the film,

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which makes sense at the time because he's all charisma.

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He's that movie star smile, we love him. He's he's

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the hero, right this is you.

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Could argue maybe he's the hero here. I'm not gonna

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get into that just yet.

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But he's hesitant to do the film until his son,

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John David Washington read the screenplay and suggested that he

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do it. And obviously he wins the Oscar. So now

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Denzel becomes a little superstitious. So since Training Day, every

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script that his son has said, yep, do this one,

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he has accepted it without fail.

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I mean he's he's got a very intelligent son there,

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I mean he but I do get the hesitation. I mean,

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he's always like kind of a wrestler term, but he's

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always been the face he's debated the film. He's the

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he's the heel.

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Yeah, so he goes this year, he goes one on

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one against uh Russell Crowe.

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Uh.

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You know Crow takes the Golden Globe for Best Actor,

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uh talking about a Beautiful Mind. Denzel takes the Best

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Actor Oscar though, And I know there's been debate about

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Washington and whether or not he should have won Best

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Actor earlier. You know, when you're you're talking like Malcolm

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X or the Hurricane, It's it's debatable. But what I

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don't understand is people thinking training day was like the

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we're gonna make it up to you, Oscar, because when

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you think about the other nominees, I mean, aside from

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Russell Crowe for A Beautiful Mind, it's not even close.

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No, I mean, I'll tell I'll take you back.

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Like he's up against Sean Penn for I Am Sam,

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which that movie does not age well at all. And

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then there's Will Smith for Ali, which I know you

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and I are going to talk about soon, and then

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Tom Wilkinson for In the Bedroom. So when you yeah,

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when you look at those three actors and those three performances,

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and then you even add Crow in it, and then

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you put that up against Alonzo Harris, it's all good, baby,

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Yeah you.

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I don't under how it was like a slam dunk.

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I feel like it was. I don't even see that

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being a tight race, even though beautiful mind great film,

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Ali a great film, but ultimately their performance is pay

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on compare.

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I think. I think.

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So let's talk Ethan Hawk playing a young officer J

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Hoyt trying to make the make the squad as it was.

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Hawk is perfect at this point because he's he's still young.

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He has that innocence. I know, I know what Fuqua

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has talked about. He he really was after Ethan Hawk

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the whole time because he has this wide eyed innocence

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that also hints that maybe there's a little something extra

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there that you know, like it's like a like you

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can pet the dog, but that dog might bite if

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you don't watch yourself.

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You're absolutely right, He's got it right. He's definitely one

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of those characters where it's like, Okay, you're going to

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back him into a corner. You can only beat him

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down so much before he snaps, fights back, and then

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actually shows you what he's made of.

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Yeah.

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Eminem was offered this role and turned it down to

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do Curtis Hansen's Eight Mile, which I understand Christian Bale

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auditioned for, didn't get it, but was so impressive to

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David Air that David Air hired him for Harsh Times,

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which you know I mentioned that a couple minutes ago.

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But here's the kicker. I read this, I was like,

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oh wow, how about this. So Ethan Hawk took the

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role away from Toby McGuire.

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Ooh, yeah, that's interesting. I've seen a lot of Toby

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McGuire like turn heel in film, but I don't know

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if he could pulled off what Ethan Hawk did in

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this film.

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This is yeah, I think this is two thousand and one, right,

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So I feel a little bad for McGuire for a

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second when I'm and you might when I tell you this,

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but he actually he had the part. He trained for

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two months with undercover narcotics officers. He bulked up to

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play the role because you know, we know that Jake

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was a strong safety, you know, played high school football. Yes,

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and he's got we got to believe that he can

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charge to two crackheads and take him down and hold

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himself to take care of himself in a fight. He

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does all this and then he's let go when Ethan

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Hawk's schedule opened up, they straight up just said you're thanks,

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but no thanks, you're out.

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See that's rough. Now, this is what one year after

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he's done Spider Man? Or is this saying?

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As I say, don't feel bad, don't feel too bad

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for him because Toby loses out on training day, he

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leaves South Central for New York because he does become

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Spider Man right after this, so it worked out for him,

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you know, don't shed too many tears for.

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Toby as well.

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Uh, there's a there's a choice, there's a casting choice

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in here. I've seen this movie one hundred times and

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I still every time I watch it, I'm scratching my

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head because I can't make up my mind how.

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I feel about the actor.

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Because I love the actor, I just don't know if

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I love him for this part. And I'm talking about

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Scott Glenn playing Roger.

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What do you take it?

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Is a very interesting choice in this film. He's got

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a very lance what's his name Hendrickson. Yes, he's got

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a real gruff kind of exterior to him in this film,

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which I believe if they went with someone else, they

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would have had to have been Lance, of course, but

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ultimately I kind of like him in this role. It's

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not typically what we've seen him in. But I did

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like his character in this film.

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And again, the Roger character is great.

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It's just seeing Scott Glenn with the hoop earrings and

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the goatee and kind of talking street it just feels

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a little off.

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I guess, well, you might be remembering him from what

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was in nineteen eighty Urban Cowboy with John Travolta's.

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Yeah, I mean, okay, he's a little He's definitely a

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little cornbread in Urban Cowboy, but just just playing like

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a guy that would be like Alonso. He's like, you know,

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they're like where are we at? He's like, this is

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my dog's house. I just don't see him in Alonzo

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having a history.

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It just feel it felt a little weird.

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And I mean, I got I got someone for you here.

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I got Antoine Fuquah, who he actually wanted for this role.

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He wanted someone the role was meant for this guy.

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Studio execs said Nope, we're not doing that. And I'm

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talking about Mickey Rourke. Oh Ke would have crushed this role.

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He would have crushed the role. And he definitely fits

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this build a lot more than what Glenn does. Yeah.

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Yeah, now I told you earlier I had one more

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thing I wanted to blow your mind with.

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Are you ready for this?

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That's here?

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Are you aware that Scott Glenn and Denzel Washington have

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played the same character before?

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Now I did know this. Oh you know what I did.

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I was so excited to talk about this.

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Yeah. I watched the classic not too long ago. So

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now I'm going to say pales in comparison there.

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But okay, so just just the just last time we

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were talking, we were doing Deja Vu.

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I don't even remember.

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Well it's because it was a Tony Scott movie. But

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we got on this tangent about Man on Fire and

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how yes it almost got made, and then it was

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I listen, I had no idea that they actually made

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Man on Fire in nineteen eighty seven. I had no clue.

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So you know it turned you know, it turns out.

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You know, you and I are talking about Carl Weathers

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and Lou Gassa Junior to play Creasy, and in fact,

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Scott Glenn played him in the nineteen eighty seven version

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of Man on Fire. He did, and I got to

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see this because I was like, wait what and I

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quick look, I see, okay, we're talking about Scott Glenn,

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Joe Pesci, Danny Aylo, Jonathan Price.

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So can you watch this?

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You didn't even tell me like I thought this was

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I thought it was gonna shocky man.

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It's a solid cast. I'm going to say this film

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kind of falls flat for me. I could not get

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behind the original because I was so excited after watching

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the two thousand and four okay, and when I realized

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that this was a remake, I was like, oh, you

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know what, We'll go back and give this watch. Okay,

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it's a fun movie for the time, but I don't know,

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I couldn't get into it, like Joe Peshy's character, everything

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in it just I don't know. It felt a little

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lack of substance for this.

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I just can't believe that I I was asleep on

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this one.

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I had no clue.

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I'll tell you who I'm not asleep on though, Eva

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Mendez oh No, playing Alonzo's lady Sarah. I think you

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can argue that training day was a great thing for her.

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So let's look at her career pre training day, and

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I think I think you're a fan, because I'm I'm

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gonna give you a couple of movies that she did

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that I know are right up your alley.

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After she does the.

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Music video for Aerosmith that that song Hole in My Soul,

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where she played beautiful Girl.

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I think that's the credit they gave her.

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She was also in Children of the Corn, five Fields

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of Terror, and Urban Legends Final Cut.

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I remember an Urban Legends Final cut. I do recall

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her in that.

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Yeah, now you can't. You can't forget her in Training

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Day because for maybe for an obvious reason, but you know,

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also she she.

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Does do a really good job. She's a great actress.

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But after training Day, that's where she kind of goes

478
00:25:37.000 --> 00:25:39.799
on a on a run. She's got too fast, too furious.

479
00:25:39.920 --> 00:25:44.640
She's got hitch ghost Rider and another Denzel Washington movie,

480
00:25:44.799 --> 00:25:47.200
Out of Time, which you and I both talked about.

481
00:25:47.240 --> 00:25:49.960
And so it's not.

482
00:25:49.960 --> 00:25:56.279
Easy for an actress to be comfortable doing a nude scene,

483
00:25:56.799 --> 00:26:00.400
you know, and hers kind of is a surprise in

484
00:26:00.480 --> 00:26:04.200
this movie, and I'm gonna be honest, it kind of

485
00:26:04.200 --> 00:26:05.160
feels unnecessary.

486
00:26:05.839 --> 00:26:10.480
So it truly does, especially given the circumstances why he's

487
00:26:10.559 --> 00:26:13.559
going there. And yeah, yeah, I.

488
00:26:14.240 --> 00:26:20.480
Just felt forced. However, this was all Eva Mendez's idea.

489
00:26:21.119 --> 00:26:23.000
The character was not supposed to do. Yeah, she it

490
00:26:23.079 --> 00:26:26.640
was her idea for that the character be nude, and

491
00:26:26.680 --> 00:26:30.799
she had to convince Antoine Fuqua that yeah, this is

492
00:26:30.839 --> 00:26:33.880
good for the it'll it'll help the character. It speaks

493
00:26:33.880 --> 00:26:36.640
to the character. I mean, she doesn't have to twist

494
00:26:36.640 --> 00:26:39.799
my arm to convince me. But it just seems, you know,

495
00:26:40.480 --> 00:26:41.039
seems odd.

496
00:26:41.559 --> 00:26:42.920
But I'm glad. I'm glad it was her choice.

497
00:26:42.920 --> 00:26:45.200
I'm glad she's the one that that made it happen,

498
00:26:45.240 --> 00:26:46.119
not not someone else.

499
00:26:46.480 --> 00:26:49.319
I will say that is probably the only thing that

500
00:26:49.400 --> 00:26:52.640
could keep a man that owes the Russian mafia so

501
00:26:52.799 --> 00:26:56.759
much money. Yeah, to not going to the drop immediately

502
00:26:56.880 --> 00:26:58.759
after getting the money would be yeah.

503
00:26:59.279 --> 00:27:03.880
Absolutely, I'm gonna try and fit even Mindez into my

504
00:27:03.920 --> 00:27:05.640
schedule as often as possible.

505
00:27:05.880 --> 00:27:08.759
But yeah, the only thing, the only thing I like.

506
00:27:08.799 --> 00:27:10.279
It would have been nice to see a little bit

507
00:27:10.319 --> 00:27:13.400
more of her, her and the little boy, you know,

508
00:27:13.960 --> 00:27:18.240
kind of build on Alonzo's the good in Alonzo because

509
00:27:18.240 --> 00:27:20.839
I don't I get it. Obviously he's a bad guy

510
00:27:20.880 --> 00:27:23.640
in this movie, but he's not. He's he's a bad

511
00:27:23.680 --> 00:27:26.359
guy in the way that maybe Michael Douglas and Falling

512
00:27:26.400 --> 00:27:29.559
Down is a bad guy. Like I kind of gotta

513
00:27:29.599 --> 00:27:33.119
agree with him on a lot of stuff. Yeah, I mean,

514
00:27:33.480 --> 00:27:34.960
I'm just calling it. I'm calling it like I said it.

515
00:27:35.839 --> 00:27:38.880
How he deals with the two guys that Ethan Hawke

516
00:27:39.039 --> 00:27:41.880
roughs up in the alleyway and yeah, yeah, yeah, like

517
00:27:41.920 --> 00:27:44.319
that whole bed. Yeah, I'm in an agreement on that.

518
00:27:44.799 --> 00:27:46.200
Yeah, well you want to you know, you want to

519
00:27:46.920 --> 00:27:48.039
You want to go Jae, you want.

520
00:27:47.839 --> 00:27:48.160
To go home.

521
00:27:48.319 --> 00:27:50.640
I love him, He's he has pure charisma in this

522
00:27:51.519 --> 00:27:52.279
I'll tell you who else.

523
00:27:52.759 --> 00:27:53.200
We can't.

524
00:27:53.240 --> 00:27:56.519
We can't move forward without talking. We got some incredible

525
00:27:57.440 --> 00:27:59.400
music talent in this movie. And I'm not talking about

526
00:27:59.400 --> 00:28:01.519
the soundtrack. The on track kicks ass. I don't know

527
00:28:01.559 --> 00:28:05.200
if you've got a favorite jam because Doctor Dre basically

528
00:28:05.240 --> 00:28:09.640
is responsible for putting the whole album together. Yeah, but damn,

529
00:28:09.720 --> 00:28:13.240
that's like Cypress Hill and Dre and I mean, there's

530
00:28:13.240 --> 00:28:15.720
too much going on. But I love the fact that

531
00:28:15.720 --> 00:28:19.279
we get to see Doctor Dre, Snoop Dogg, and Macy

532
00:28:19.400 --> 00:28:21.000
Gray in this movie.

533
00:28:21.880 --> 00:28:23.400
Uh do with some pretty.

534
00:28:23.119 --> 00:28:26.440
Wicked stuff, which Macy Gray is the one that I

535
00:28:26.480 --> 00:28:29.720
did forget about in this film. And then as soon

536
00:28:29.759 --> 00:28:32.039
as I heard her voices, where's your.

537
00:28:31.920 --> 00:28:39.039
Wont Yeah, Oh, she's so good. I was watching up

538
00:28:39.039 --> 00:28:43.240
behind the scenes featurette on Training Day and they asked

539
00:28:43.240 --> 00:28:45.640
for Quah about Macy Gray, and he gets the biggest

540
00:28:45.640 --> 00:28:49.119
grin on his face. He's like, Okay, I let her

541
00:28:50.079 --> 00:28:53.079
kind of have a little control over her character and

542
00:28:53.119 --> 00:28:56.480
how her character looks. And when she came out with

543
00:28:56.519 --> 00:29:01.559
these three inch long nails and this we even He's like,

544
00:29:01.759 --> 00:29:05.000
all I could say is she is just ghetto fabulous,

545
00:29:05.240 --> 00:29:08.240
Like that was his that was his call for her.

546
00:29:08.240 --> 00:29:11.519
I was like, she is, She's she's so good. I

547
00:29:11.559 --> 00:29:12.119
mean she is.

548
00:29:13.039 --> 00:29:15.400
I mean it's a real heat check for the rest

549
00:29:15.440 --> 00:29:17.200
of the characters in this movie because she's only we

550
00:29:17.240 --> 00:29:18.559
only see her for like five minutes.

551
00:29:19.720 --> 00:29:24.160
Well, also, I like the fact that this film's got

552
00:29:24.319 --> 00:29:29.039
Snoop Dogg, doctor Dre, Macy Gray. But also just one

553
00:29:29.039 --> 00:29:31.559
of the I think he's just named gang member in

554
00:29:31.640 --> 00:29:34.440
this film. But the guy that's clapping for the pigeons

555
00:29:34.519 --> 00:29:38.960
and everything like that, do you remember, Yeah, Wait, that's Cruise,

556
00:29:39.160 --> 00:29:40.359
It's Terry Crews.

557
00:29:40.680 --> 00:29:42.319
What the hell? How did I miss that?

558
00:29:42.440 --> 00:29:45.680
Like you see him there, and then of course, when

559
00:29:45.839 --> 00:29:49.799
Jake and Alonza are having their final showdown, he's standing

560
00:29:49.839 --> 00:29:51.759
in the street. You get to see his face for

561
00:29:51.799 --> 00:29:55.319
a moment. But yeah, this is early Terry Crews and uh, I.

562
00:29:55.839 --> 00:29:57.880
Remember the dude that was totally jacked, but you only

563
00:29:57.880 --> 00:29:58.799
see him from behind.

564
00:29:58.839 --> 00:29:59.759
He's yes, you.

565
00:29:59.720 --> 00:30:02.279
Know, they're flipping pigeons, you know, let you know, let

566
00:30:02.279 --> 00:30:04.960
the neighborhood know, you know, five O's in it.

567
00:30:05.039 --> 00:30:07.599
But wow, Terry, Okay, I missed that one.

568
00:30:07.599 --> 00:30:07.680
Man.

569
00:30:07.680 --> 00:30:08.000
I gotta go.

570
00:30:08.279 --> 00:30:11.200
I mean, I'm happy. I'm always happy to look who's

571
00:30:11.200 --> 00:30:12.200
on the screen right now.

572
00:30:12.319 --> 00:30:16.200
Exactly, dude, me and you started around the same time.

573
00:30:16.240 --> 00:30:16.799
That is good.

574
00:30:16.839 --> 00:30:19.920
That's crazy. That is absolutely crazy. Okay. So let's talk

575
00:30:19.960 --> 00:30:20.599
about a few.

576
00:30:20.480 --> 00:30:23.759
Things going on behind the scenes and this, uh this

577
00:30:23.839 --> 00:30:28.880
might surprise you. During the development phase of Training Day,

578
00:30:29.000 --> 00:30:32.000
this film was being conceived with Samuel L.

579
00:30:32.119 --> 00:30:35.359
Jackson and Matt Damon in the lead roles.

580
00:30:35.920 --> 00:30:39.839
Oh my, so that that's a movie I want to watch. Yeah,

581
00:30:40.039 --> 00:30:45.319
I'll say that actually works for me, doesn't it. Okay?

582
00:30:45.559 --> 00:30:50.480
Could you could you see Samuel Jackson just motherfucker like all.

583
00:30:50.319 --> 00:30:51.000
Over this movie?

584
00:30:52.200 --> 00:30:55.599
So yeah, yeah, if there's one person that could have

585
00:30:55.720 --> 00:31:00.160
matched the charisma and the acting capabilities and these big

586
00:31:00.200 --> 00:31:02.960
emotional scenes. Yeah, it would have had to have been

587
00:31:03.000 --> 00:31:04.640
so on of Sam Jackson's caliber.

588
00:31:04.839 --> 00:31:08.680
It's it's an alternate reality where that movie happens. But

589
00:31:08.839 --> 00:31:10.799
and I'm and I'm all for it. But I again,

590
00:31:10.920 --> 00:31:12.720
I love training Dad. I'm not taking anything away from

591
00:31:12.960 --> 00:31:17.319
training day. This blows my mind. So, you know, you

592
00:31:17.319 --> 00:31:20.240
you kind of mentioned Terry Crews flipping the pigeons in

593
00:31:20.079 --> 00:31:22.799
the neighborhood they call the Jungle forget that, I forget

594
00:31:22.839 --> 00:31:25.799
the name of the the actual neighborhood. But they are

595
00:31:25.839 --> 00:31:30.920
filming in South Central. They are all over, and Fuquah

596
00:31:31.160 --> 00:31:35.680
asked local gangs for permission to shoot in the neighborhoods.

597
00:31:36.160 --> 00:31:39.279
So a lot of these guys you see like standing

598
00:31:39.319 --> 00:31:41.240
on the on the on the street, you know, or

599
00:31:41.279 --> 00:31:45.200
they're driving by. These are actual members of the crips

600
00:31:45.240 --> 00:31:48.519
of the Bloods. And the fact that he went in

601
00:31:48.519 --> 00:31:51.319
and said, hey, we're shooting a movie once y'all be involved,

602
00:31:51.680 --> 00:31:54.960
I mean, that's kind of a smart it's a respectful thing.

603
00:31:55.319 --> 00:31:57.960
I call it what you want. It's it was the

604
00:31:58.039 --> 00:31:58.480
right move.

605
00:31:59.400 --> 00:32:04.319
But yeah, a lot a lot of people, uh, dubious

606
00:32:04.359 --> 00:32:07.319
people that were you could say, a part of the

607
00:32:07.440 --> 00:32:08.359
part of the film.

608
00:32:08.720 --> 00:32:11.519
It brings even more of an edge to this film.

609
00:32:11.559 --> 00:32:13.000
It does. It makes it more authentic.

610
00:32:13.119 --> 00:32:15.960
Honestly, you know you were We didn't really we kind

611
00:32:15.960 --> 00:32:18.720
of we were so enthralled by Macy Gray. We didn't

612
00:32:18.720 --> 00:32:21.319
really talk about Dre and Snoop. It's cool to see

613
00:32:21.400 --> 00:32:24.039
Dra like bulked up looking like a heavy hitter on

614
00:32:24.279 --> 00:32:27.799
Alonzo's crew. I gotta give credit to Snoop Dogg, though

615
00:32:28.640 --> 00:32:34.519
he could have played any fierce you know, gang banger,

616
00:32:34.680 --> 00:32:35.759
any any guy right.

617
00:32:35.799 --> 00:32:36.119
He could have.

618
00:32:36.200 --> 00:32:38.240
He could have said, yeah, I gotta look good, I

619
00:32:38.240 --> 00:32:41.000
gotta look cool. I love the idea that he's playing

620
00:32:41.519 --> 00:32:43.720
crack dealer in a wheelchair.

621
00:32:44.319 --> 00:32:48.440
Indeed, the chase scene with him and.

622
00:32:50.599 --> 00:32:54.839
Yeah, yeah either come on, man, give me a break.

623
00:32:55.119 --> 00:32:59.400
It's just like him yelling that while chasing him, and.

624
00:32:59.359 --> 00:33:01.599
Then that you know, lons of jam and that Penn

625
00:33:01.799 --> 00:33:05.519
down his throat to make him vomit the crack rocks.

626
00:33:06.240 --> 00:33:09.039
Snoop's good, Like, you know, I don't know why we

627
00:33:09.079 --> 00:33:12.359
didn't get more like dramatic Snoop. I know, like he

628
00:33:12.400 --> 00:33:14.519
shows up in TV shows and funny stuff all the

629
00:33:14.559 --> 00:33:17.440
time just being being Snoopy, being the character snip Dog.

630
00:33:17.480 --> 00:33:19.759
But I could have I could have been up for

631
00:33:19.839 --> 00:33:21.160
some more Calvin brought us.

632
00:33:21.279 --> 00:33:23.759
You know, honestly, kind of like what we got in

633
00:33:23.880 --> 00:33:26.000
A Baby Boy with Tyrese Gibson.

634
00:33:26.160 --> 00:33:28.920
Yeah, yeah, there you go. That's what I'm talking about.

635
00:33:29.519 --> 00:33:33.640
King Kong Ain't Got Shit on Me is ad libbed

636
00:33:33.680 --> 00:33:34.720
by Denzel in the film.

637
00:33:34.759 --> 00:33:37.680
Possibly one of the all time best ad libs.

638
00:33:38.880 --> 00:33:42.160
I would say it is probably the best ad lib

639
00:33:42.240 --> 00:33:43.519
of all time. It has to be.

640
00:33:44.559 --> 00:33:47.359
I mean, you would have thought that that line was

641
00:33:47.400 --> 00:33:50.880
on the poster, because when this movie came out, I

642
00:33:50.920 --> 00:33:54.440
don't care if you were dominating someone on a basketball

643
00:33:54.440 --> 00:33:57.119
court or you are beating the shit out of him

644
00:33:57.119 --> 00:34:01.279
and at tekan on PlayStation or whatever, anything you did

645
00:34:01.319 --> 00:34:04.119
good or anything where you won, that was your that

646
00:34:04.200 --> 00:34:04.839
was your line.

647
00:34:04.920 --> 00:34:05.640
You had to say it.

648
00:34:05.960 --> 00:34:07.279
Oh yeah, two thousand and one.

649
00:34:07.359 --> 00:34:09.800
It's getting d when your fantasy football league King Kong

650
00:34:09.840 --> 00:34:11.719
and Got Shit on You, Like you're letting everybody know

651
00:34:11.880 --> 00:34:13.079
you know this is this is one of the all

652
00:34:13.159 --> 00:34:13.960
time best ad libs.

653
00:34:13.960 --> 00:34:15.320
I don't know if there's a better one. I can't

654
00:34:15.320 --> 00:34:15.840
think of one.

655
00:34:16.440 --> 00:34:18.280
I got one more thing for you before we we

656
00:34:18.360 --> 00:34:20.719
take a break, and you know not to want to

657
00:34:20.760 --> 00:34:23.440
end on a somber note. But the film was originally

658
00:34:23.519 --> 00:34:28.199
scheduled for release in September. It was decided to push

659
00:34:28.239 --> 00:34:32.039
it back following the attacks on nine to eleven, obviously

660
00:34:32.079 --> 00:34:34.159
for the right reasons, and that's why we get it

661
00:34:34.159 --> 00:34:34.760
in October.

662
00:34:35.079 --> 00:34:36.320
I did not know that.

663
00:34:37.400 --> 00:34:42.000
Yeah, you know, probably should have reordered my notes here,

664
00:34:42.039 --> 00:34:44.480
like I could have ended on King Cab and then

665
00:34:44.559 --> 00:34:46.719
let's tell it go on a break, but it's too late.

666
00:34:47.400 --> 00:34:48.320
We're gonna take a break.

667
00:34:48.360 --> 00:34:51.159
And then Garret and I we got a scene to discuss.

668
00:34:51.840 --> 00:34:53.280
I got to see and I know he's gonna have one.

669
00:34:53.320 --> 00:34:54.559
Maybe maybe it's the same one. I don't know.

670
00:34:54.599 --> 00:34:56.280
We'll find out. We'll be right back.

671
00:35:00.000 --> 00:35:02.159
As you grow up with the lack of parental supervisions,

672
00:35:02.239 --> 00:35:03.840
do you know all the lyrics to the Fresh Prince

673
00:35:03.840 --> 00:35:04.280
of bel Air?

674
00:35:04.320 --> 00:35:06.639
Do you remember maryor mccheese and the Pride guys have.

675
00:35:06.679 --> 00:35:08.880
An inexplicable love for the Count and erasist.

676
00:35:08.960 --> 00:35:11.360
Can you remember Madonna's original phase?

677
00:35:11.440 --> 00:35:13.480
Then you might be a part of the Doom generation.

678
00:35:13.760 --> 00:35:15.639
Not until you cry with us each week as we

679
00:35:15.679 --> 00:35:16.760
stumble blindly through the.

680
00:35:16.719 --> 00:35:19.119
Memories of the movie and other random things that doomed

681
00:35:19.159 --> 00:35:21.960
us to be the salty, sarcastic, sardonic lenis, do you

682
00:35:21.960 --> 00:35:22.519
want to hang it?

683
00:35:22.800 --> 00:35:24.719
You know us, you love us, you can't you can

684
00:35:24.800 --> 00:35:25.480
live without us.

685
00:35:25.760 --> 00:35:29.440
Doom generation available everywhere you find podcasts.

686
00:35:32.960 --> 00:35:38.199
All right, Garrett, let's discuss the scene as always. First,

687
00:35:38.239 --> 00:35:39.679
tell me why you want.

688
00:35:39.440 --> 00:35:41.039
To talk about this scene.

689
00:35:41.280 --> 00:35:45.280
Is it Is it for the cinematography. Is it due

690
00:35:45.320 --> 00:35:48.599
to a strong performance, is it visual effects? Is it

691
00:35:48.599 --> 00:35:51.800
the pivotal moment or you know, the new option that

692
00:35:51.840 --> 00:35:55.880
we've we've been running. It didn't piss Amber Lewis off.

693
00:35:58.039 --> 00:36:01.639
Why did you use the scene you're about to play

694
00:36:01.639 --> 00:36:01.960
on us?

695
00:36:02.679 --> 00:36:08.199
Honestly, just the absolute amazing acting capabilities of Denzel Washington.

696
00:36:09.320 --> 00:36:13.400
This isn't the pivotal moment. This is just dialogue that

697
00:36:13.519 --> 00:36:18.159
he is spouting, and oh my goodness, it is. It

698
00:36:18.280 --> 00:36:22.559
is amazing dialogue. It's it's right after Jake shoots him

699
00:36:22.559 --> 00:36:25.039
in the ass, out in the middle of the street,

700
00:36:25.400 --> 00:36:26.599
right after the after fight.

701
00:36:30.480 --> 00:36:36.199
Ah you, my next one will kill you, son of

702
00:36:36.239 --> 00:36:36.760
a bitch.

703
00:36:38.159 --> 00:36:39.480
You shot me in the ass.

704
00:36:39.719 --> 00:36:42.920
Okay wait wait, wait, wait wait wait okay, Okay, okay, I.

705
00:36:44.800 --> 00:36:45.360
Need the money.

706
00:36:45.679 --> 00:36:48.000
Give me the money, chick, give me money.

707
00:36:47.800 --> 00:36:50.199
Please, chat, give me that money. It's not going to happen.

708
00:36:51.400 --> 00:36:53.400
Well, you jack me now, you want to take my

709
00:36:53.400 --> 00:36:55.360
own money from you. I told you, that's my evidence.

710
00:36:55.440 --> 00:36:56.679
You want to go to jail, you want.

711
00:36:56.480 --> 00:37:00.280
To go home. And Denzel's yelling at all the people

712
00:37:00.280 --> 00:37:02.719
in the neighborhood. You know, first person put a ball

713
00:37:02.800 --> 00:37:07.639
in their head becomes a rich man. And yeah, exactly,

714
00:37:07.880 --> 00:37:12.559
you disloyal fool, last bitch made funk Jane.

715
00:37:13.360 --> 00:37:22.960
I need my money, are you motherfuckers? Okay, all right,

716
00:37:23.480 --> 00:37:27.320
I'm putting cases on all you bitches. Huh you think

717
00:37:27.360 --> 00:37:29.639
you can do this shit, Jane?

718
00:37:30.440 --> 00:37:31.760
You think you can do this to me?

719
00:37:33.760 --> 00:37:38.119
Your motherfuckers will be playing basketball and Pelican pay when

720
00:37:38.199 --> 00:37:43.119
I get finished with you, twenty three hour lockdown. I'm

721
00:37:43.159 --> 00:37:46.800
the man up in this piece. You'll never see the

722
00:37:46.880 --> 00:37:48.840
light of you the fuck you think you fucking with.

723
00:37:49.199 --> 00:37:55.199
I'm the police. I run shit here, you just clipping. Yeah,

724
00:37:55.239 --> 00:37:57.719
that's why you better walk away. Go and walk away,

725
00:37:57.760 --> 00:37:59.519
because I'm gonna burn this motherfucker out.

726
00:38:01.119 --> 00:38:06.280
Can't cong ain't got cat on me everything he says,

727
00:38:06.360 --> 00:38:09.079
And I believe it's probably five to seven minutes of

728
00:38:09.159 --> 00:38:13.639
dialogue from him is just truly extraordinary because he's a

729
00:38:13.800 --> 00:38:17.320
desperate man with no chips left to be played, and

730
00:38:17.400 --> 00:38:20.760
he is still barking like he is in command, and

731
00:38:20.800 --> 00:38:24.800
you believe it because his acting capabilities are so strong

732
00:38:24.920 --> 00:38:28.239
that you believe that maybe he hasn't lost even though

733
00:38:28.440 --> 00:38:30.920
his back's against the wall. There's no way out of

734
00:38:30.960 --> 00:38:32.159
this where he wins.

735
00:38:32.599 --> 00:38:34.480
It's a great moment because, I mean, when you think

736
00:38:34.480 --> 00:38:36.280
about how the movie, how that scene starts.

737
00:38:36.519 --> 00:38:38.960
You know, Jake gets the drop on him in Eva's

738
00:38:39.320 --> 00:38:40.519
Eva Mendez's apartment.

739
00:38:41.360 --> 00:38:44.760
He doesn't panic, He just smiles and congratulations, you pass

740
00:38:44.840 --> 00:38:47.559
the test. Yeah, you're one of us now. And Mike

741
00:38:48.159 --> 00:38:51.679
he's still trying to sell his bullshit. He is, and

742
00:38:51.719 --> 00:38:54.840
I kind of feel like, you know where you're like,

743
00:38:54.960 --> 00:38:56.280
is he about to pull this off? Or is the

744
00:38:56.280 --> 00:38:58.519
neighborhood going to look out for him like he says

745
00:38:58.519 --> 00:39:01.719
he looks out for them? And then you realize, like

746
00:39:01.920 --> 00:39:05.400
he's in desperation mode. Yeah, and he's there because he

747
00:39:05.480 --> 00:39:10.119
has maybe he has believed his own hype for too long, right,

748
00:39:11.079 --> 00:39:13.480
It's it's it's an incredible scene. I love that moment

749
00:39:14.000 --> 00:39:17.039
obviously gives us one of the greatest ad libbed lines

750
00:39:17.079 --> 00:39:17.559
of all time.

751
00:39:18.360 --> 00:39:21.519
Yes, and I'm excited. I'm glad that you chose that one.

752
00:39:21.760 --> 00:39:23.719
As soon as you said you're going for a strong

753
00:39:23.760 --> 00:39:27.920
performance all about Denzel, I was like, well, we're talking

754
00:39:27.960 --> 00:39:30.280
about two scenes then, because I am not talking about

755
00:39:30.320 --> 00:39:36.039
Denzel Washington. I am talking about, uh, strong performance. But

756
00:39:36.119 --> 00:39:40.199
it's it's strong performances. And I want to talk about

757
00:39:40.719 --> 00:39:44.239
the card game with Smiley and the Hillside Trasa crew.

758
00:39:44.599 --> 00:39:49.199
Oh okay, so we know they drop in.

759
00:39:50.119 --> 00:39:54.519
Denzel is basically there to to set him up right.

760
00:39:55.519 --> 00:39:58.920
And the way that this this this card game, this

761
00:39:58.960 --> 00:40:01.519
simple card game is shot. You know when we're kind

762
00:40:01.559 --> 00:40:04.760
of panning around, you know, Jake's there, He's got three

763
00:40:04.800 --> 00:40:10.960
of these guys and he's unbelievably calm during the card game,

764
00:40:11.800 --> 00:40:15.239
and we're watching him put it together in real time

765
00:40:15.360 --> 00:40:18.920
like we are putting together. Alonso is not in the bathroom.

766
00:40:18.960 --> 00:40:23.159
Alonzo has left. Alonso has betrayed him. And the fact

767
00:40:23.199 --> 00:40:27.000
that they they reveal this to him, they let him

768
00:40:27.000 --> 00:40:28.639
in on the on on.

769
00:40:28.559 --> 00:40:29.480
The on the secret.

770
00:40:30.000 --> 00:40:32.079
You know, he looks outside the Monte Carlo's gone.

771
00:40:32.360 --> 00:40:35.000
He's like there's nothing out there for yeah.

772
00:40:35.039 --> 00:40:38.880
Yeah, it blows my mind because he continues to play

773
00:40:38.960 --> 00:40:43.199
cards and chat with these guys and it's it's a

774
00:40:43.280 --> 00:40:47.679
terrifying moment, Like you know, he has handed Hector his gun.

775
00:40:48.440 --> 00:40:51.320
He is you know, he's letting them kind of talk

776
00:40:51.599 --> 00:40:52.639
some ship to him.

777
00:40:53.360 --> 00:40:58.079
And when you watch the scene and you know how Fuqua.

778
00:40:57.880 --> 00:41:00.480
Directed it, Actually I'm an it's strung before, but I'm

779
00:41:00.480 --> 00:41:01.719
going I'm going for direction here.

780
00:41:01.800 --> 00:41:03.639
I'm gonna give this one angewatchoo.

781
00:41:03.159 --> 00:41:08.239
Clock because Hawk is off off the set for a minute.

782
00:41:08.519 --> 00:41:11.599
He tells these three guys, he gives them very specific

783
00:41:11.639 --> 00:41:18.239
instructions on what to say, on how to deliver their lines,

784
00:41:19.239 --> 00:41:24.079
and they it's it's done to Uh to deliberately confuse.

785
00:41:23.719 --> 00:41:25.239
Ethan Hawk and create tension.

786
00:41:26.039 --> 00:41:28.280
So he doesn't know some of some of the stuff

787
00:41:28.280 --> 00:41:30.000
they're saying, like he doesn't know, he doesn't know what's

788
00:41:30.000 --> 00:41:32.360
about to happen, and he's not.

789
00:41:32.320 --> 00:41:34.360
Ready for it. That's and it creates more of this

790
00:41:35.000 --> 00:41:36.559
nervous energy. It's it's awesome.

791
00:41:37.719 --> 00:41:41.280
It makes you wonder if the line Hector and spouts

792
00:41:41.280 --> 00:41:48.920
and then I forget that you ever had your ship push?

793
00:41:45.719 --> 00:41:51.800
Yeah, I don't think it was, you know, because he's

794
00:41:51.800 --> 00:41:55.320
like he clearly is confused and they got to like

795
00:41:55.400 --> 00:41:59.440
explain what they're talking about. Uh, great moment. I think

796
00:41:59.440 --> 00:42:03.280
it's a great moment just because it also it kind

797
00:42:03.280 --> 00:42:05.559
of it kind of gives Jake something. And I'm talking

798
00:42:05.559 --> 00:42:08.480
about the idea that he's fighting off three gang members

799
00:42:09.119 --> 00:42:12.400
and reasoning with them at the same time. This is

800
00:42:12.400 --> 00:42:15.360
the final lesson in street knowledge that Jake needs so

801
00:42:15.400 --> 00:42:17.719
that he can go into a Lonzo's neighborhood and go

802
00:42:17.760 --> 00:42:21.920
after him. And it's just one of those unbelievable coincidence.

803
00:42:22.000 --> 00:42:24.400
Like I love the fact, you know, when you watch

804
00:42:24.480 --> 00:42:26.960
this the first time when he stops the the two

805
00:42:27.000 --> 00:42:30.559
crackheads from raping that little girl and like her pink Hello,

806
00:42:30.679 --> 00:42:32.599
kitty Wallet's laying there and he picks it up, like

807
00:42:32.639 --> 00:42:35.159
you just it's such an afterthought, like.

808
00:42:35.880 --> 00:42:38.320
You have no right, like why would what? What's what's okay?

809
00:42:38.360 --> 00:42:40.960
What's he doing with that fact that it comes home

810
00:42:40.960 --> 00:42:41.760
to this one man.

811
00:42:42.519 --> 00:42:46.239
My favorite thing about that is that is arguably the

812
00:42:46.280 --> 00:42:48.639
only good thing that he had done in the film

813
00:42:48.760 --> 00:42:52.079
up until this point, and since he had met Denzel

814
00:42:52.199 --> 00:42:55.519
Washington's care okay and the only good deed that he

815
00:42:55.599 --> 00:42:58.480
had done is what got him out of trouble at

816
00:42:58.480 --> 00:43:00.840
the end of the day. And that's that's where I

817
00:43:00.840 --> 00:43:04.000
think his moral compass is just like, Okay, it's about

818
00:43:04.039 --> 00:43:05.119
doing the right thing.

819
00:43:05.719 --> 00:43:06.159
You know what.

820
00:43:06.280 --> 00:43:10.960
And I guess you could say karma, yeah pays off

821
00:43:10.960 --> 00:43:11.440
for him here.

822
00:43:12.239 --> 00:43:13.840
That's yeah. I didn't think about that like that.

823
00:43:13.880 --> 00:43:16.519
But I look again back to the strong performances.

824
00:43:17.079 --> 00:43:20.039
I love one of these, like, dude, you're about the trip.

825
00:43:20.239 --> 00:43:22.719
Look at that, you know, and they're they're a little

826
00:43:22.719 --> 00:43:24.960
freaked out that this guy that they're about to murder

827
00:43:25.000 --> 00:43:28.920
in their bathtub has the wallet of the fifteen year

828
00:43:28.960 --> 00:43:32.800
old girl that that's his cousin, you know, and it's

829
00:43:32.880 --> 00:43:34.960
it's still scary because when she he's like, yoh, you

830
00:43:35.039 --> 00:43:36.920
just mess the you know, and they're like when they're

831
00:43:36.960 --> 00:43:38.719
calling him out and he calls her.

832
00:43:39.199 --> 00:43:41.599
He's liked, you go to school. She's like yeah all day.

833
00:43:41.639 --> 00:43:44.360
Yeah, shy, quiet, what do you what are you doing?

834
00:43:44.519 --> 00:43:50.159
You're so I love that over where he's like, don't play,

835
00:43:50.280 --> 00:43:53.800
come on, you know, and she's it's just it's awesome,

836
00:43:53.960 --> 00:43:56.360
and you know, they have what what are you gonna do?

837
00:43:56.440 --> 00:43:58.960
You have to at that point, you can't you can't

838
00:43:58.960 --> 00:43:59.920
follow follow through.

839
00:44:00.000 --> 00:44:01.119
You got it. You gotta look out for m And

840
00:44:01.159 --> 00:44:01.800
I love the fact that.

841
00:44:01.719 --> 00:44:04.199
He's like, hey, you know, this was just business, right

842
00:44:05.039 --> 00:44:07.800
cause it's kind of setting up like we're not the

843
00:44:07.840 --> 00:44:10.360
bad guy, we're not against you. This was a business

844
00:44:10.360 --> 00:44:14.199
transaction and maybe down the road we still we can

845
00:44:14.239 --> 00:44:14.920
help each other out.

846
00:44:15.119 --> 00:44:17.880
I love that. It's one of my favorite scenes.

847
00:44:17.920 --> 00:44:22.679
Actually, it really is just the acting of why they're

848
00:44:22.719 --> 00:44:26.239
in the shower scene there where he's in the tub

849
00:44:26.920 --> 00:44:29.360
and he's like, I have a daughter, just like I

850
00:44:29.400 --> 00:44:30.119
have a daughter.

851
00:44:30.320 --> 00:44:33.280
Yeah, well, now you're in desperation, but you'll say anything

852
00:44:33.400 --> 00:44:35.760
right yes, and then and it's not gonna help him

853
00:44:35.760 --> 00:44:38.119
at this point because Hector's like pulling out the showkers,

854
00:44:38.440 --> 00:44:40.800
well I can't see you. Ca'd's like, Dode, these guys

855
00:44:40.840 --> 00:44:41.679
want to straight up.

856
00:44:41.679 --> 00:44:42.960
Murder him exactly.

857
00:44:43.079 --> 00:44:46.920
Yeah, Yeah, he comes close, Garrett. Let's run the numbers

858
00:44:46.960 --> 00:44:51.960
on this one. As I said, uh, it was bumped

859
00:44:52.079 --> 00:44:55.320
to October fifth, two thousand and one for its release date.

860
00:44:56.159 --> 00:44:59.079
Two hours, two minutes, just a couple of minutes.

861
00:44:58.880 --> 00:44:59.880
Shorter than Deja Vu.

862
00:45:00.280 --> 00:45:03.320
As you would you would let us know training day

863
00:45:03.440 --> 00:45:06.239
No surprise, Training Day opens number one at the box office,

864
00:45:07.559 --> 00:45:10.320
beating out the rom com Serendipity.

865
00:45:10.480 --> 00:45:12.079
That's the only thing that really went against it.

866
00:45:12.760 --> 00:45:12.840
You.

867
00:45:13.719 --> 00:45:15.719
I'm sorry, John Cusack, you did have a you didn't

868
00:45:15.719 --> 00:45:16.159
have a chance.

869
00:45:16.320 --> 00:45:22.119
You know, Kate Beckenceal, you're beautiful, but come on, even Mendez.

870
00:45:24.400 --> 00:45:25.519
You guys are both losing here.

871
00:45:25.559 --> 00:45:28.159
Sorry, you don't have a shot. And did you ever

872
00:45:28.159 --> 00:45:29.719
see Serendipity?

873
00:45:29.840 --> 00:45:30.239
I have not.

874
00:45:30.840 --> 00:45:35.559
It's not good. No, we're not covering it.

875
00:45:35.840 --> 00:45:38.079
That's you know, we're celebrating the films of two thousand

876
00:45:38.079 --> 00:45:39.559
and one and two thousand and six this season.

877
00:45:40.199 --> 00:45:41.559
You will not hear about Serendipity.

878
00:45:41.639 --> 00:45:43.559
So fair. Uh.

879
00:45:43.719 --> 00:45:46.679
Training Day grossed one hundred and four point nine million

880
00:45:47.320 --> 00:45:49.119
from a budget of forty five million.

881
00:45:49.159 --> 00:45:50.719
I think you're gonna call that a success.

882
00:45:51.239 --> 00:45:54.480
Absolutely nominated, Yeah, nominated for one Golden Globe for Best

883
00:45:54.519 --> 00:45:57.800
Actor Denzel as we said before, lost that to Russell.

884
00:45:57.559 --> 00:45:58.679
Crowe in A Beautiful Mind.

885
00:45:59.480 --> 00:46:02.559
It's not for two Academy Awards Best Supporting Actor for

886
00:46:02.599 --> 00:46:07.199
Ethan Hawk, who surprisingly loses to Jim Broadbent in a

887
00:46:07.239 --> 00:46:08.519
movie called Iris.

888
00:46:08.800 --> 00:46:11.679
I don't think I've seen that one, now right, I

889
00:46:11.679 --> 00:46:12.079
don't know.

890
00:46:12.280 --> 00:46:15.119
I've never heard of it, but Denzel takes the best

891
00:46:15.119 --> 00:46:18.000
actor Oscar and rightly so. As we talked about earlier,

892
00:46:18.840 --> 00:46:22.880
seven point eight out of ten on IMDb, seventy four

893
00:46:23.039 --> 00:46:25.280
percent on Rotten Tomatoes, I think that should be a

894
00:46:25.320 --> 00:46:26.719
little bit higher, honestly.

895
00:46:26.800 --> 00:46:28.000
Both of those seem low.

896
00:46:28.519 --> 00:46:31.320
Yeah, and then a four out of five on Letterboxed.

897
00:46:31.440 --> 00:46:34.760
If that's your thing, Garrett. I need a ranking here,

898
00:46:35.199 --> 00:46:37.679
and I got a fun one here. And I had

899
00:46:37.679 --> 00:46:40.840
some help, by the way. We put a poll out

900
00:46:40.880 --> 00:46:46.920
on YouTube asking our subscribers to help you make this choice.

901
00:46:47.039 --> 00:46:49.480
And I'll let you know what their choice is here

902
00:46:49.800 --> 00:46:52.119
in a second. But here's what I got for you.

903
00:46:53.000 --> 00:46:59.559
Denzel Washington has played a cop thirteen times. Now I'm

904
00:46:59.559 --> 00:47:01.400
gonna give you. I'm gonna give you all thirteen because

905
00:47:01.480 --> 00:47:03.480
you know this isn't like a Quis show.

906
00:47:03.519 --> 00:47:07.719
But I'm gonna give you five. And out of these five, I.

907
00:47:07.719 --> 00:47:13.000
Want you to rank your top three. Denzel Washington cop

908
00:47:13.119 --> 00:47:18.199
rolls on a scale of it's all good baby, good

909
00:47:18.679 --> 00:47:20.639
to King Kong, Ain't got.

910
00:47:20.480 --> 00:47:23.920
Shit on me? Great? Okay, here are your choices.

911
00:47:24.679 --> 00:47:29.760
Homicide detective John Hobbs in the movie Fallen. Detective Keith

912
00:47:29.800 --> 00:47:33.599
Frasier in Spike Lee's Inside Man, which we actually covered

913
00:47:33.639 --> 00:47:38.639
on this podcast. Us Marshall Sam Chisholm in the Magnificent

914
00:47:38.679 --> 00:47:41.039
Seven remake, which was directed by Antoine Fuqua.

915
00:47:41.320 --> 00:47:42.199
I like that one.

916
00:47:42.719 --> 00:47:44.480
And now here's where we're getting into it. I got

917
00:47:44.480 --> 00:47:48.360
two more choices for you atf special agent Doug Carlin

918
00:47:48.480 --> 00:47:51.440
from Deja Vu, who we know quite a bit about

919
00:47:51.519 --> 00:47:56.480
from uh last week, and lastly, obviously LAPD detective Alonzo

920
00:47:56.559 --> 00:47:57.639
Harris in Training Day.

921
00:47:58.199 --> 00:48:02.400
There are your five. I want you to choose top three.

922
00:48:03.119 --> 00:48:06.239
In order of it's all good baby, good to King Kong,

923
00:48:06.480 --> 00:48:07.199
should be great.

924
00:48:07.920 --> 00:48:08.800
What you got for us?

925
00:48:09.880 --> 00:48:14.719
I'm gonna say, uh, Magnificent seven, it's all good baby, okay.

926
00:48:15.119 --> 00:48:18.719
And then we're I'm I might shock some people. Yeah,

927
00:48:18.719 --> 00:48:21.880
I'm putting Deja Vu at number two. We're good, okay.

928
00:48:21.880 --> 00:48:24.119
Hey, you don't have to you don't have to convince me. Man,

929
00:48:24.360 --> 00:48:26.119
it's one of his most underrated performances.

930
00:48:26.199 --> 00:48:28.880
And then of course Training Day is got King Kong

931
00:48:28.960 --> 00:48:29.880
ain got shipped on me?

932
00:48:30.079 --> 00:48:30.480
Yeah?

933
00:48:30.800 --> 00:48:34.639
Uh so that that YouTube poll I put out, no

934
00:48:34.719 --> 00:48:39.400
surprise here, unanimous decision. Everyone chose Alonzo Harrison Training Day.

935
00:48:39.800 --> 00:48:41.679
That's that's that was the only thing that got picked.

936
00:48:42.440 --> 00:48:45.360
I'm surprised you didn't for Ricochet in there, but it's fine. Whatever.

937
00:48:45.400 --> 00:48:48.599
Yet, well, I almost you mentioned Ricochet last week. I

938
00:48:48.639 --> 00:48:49.960
was like, I shift that Ricochet in here, and I

939
00:48:50.000 --> 00:48:52.000
was like, I want to mix it up. I know

940
00:48:52.039 --> 00:48:53.239
he likes Ricochet. I want to see.

941
00:48:53.920 --> 00:48:58.199
Yeah, Magnificent seven. That's an underrated one for me.

942
00:48:58.519 --> 00:49:00.679
Yeah, that was that was my my wild card.

943
00:49:00.679 --> 00:49:03.440
I was like, I'm gonna because they're all like, they're

944
00:49:03.480 --> 00:49:08.599
all modern cop cop roles, right, cop characters. Yeah, So

945
00:49:08.639 --> 00:49:10.039
I was like, I'm gonna fell wild card in there.

946
00:49:10.440 --> 00:49:13.039
I'm gonna go Sam Chishom from Magnificent Seven. He'll be

947
00:49:14.239 --> 00:49:16.400
all right, but he makes your top three. Nothing wrong

948
00:49:16.440 --> 00:49:20.239
with that. Let's take one last break and then we'll

949
00:49:20.239 --> 00:49:21.280
come back and wrap things up.

950
00:49:25.280 --> 00:49:25.519
Okay.

951
00:49:25.599 --> 00:49:28.000
Jason's test of our friendship, which is better Van Halen

952
00:49:28.199 --> 00:49:29.199
or Van hagar Man?

953
00:49:29.280 --> 00:49:31.280
Honestly, I think Van hagar has better music.

954
00:49:31.320 --> 00:49:33.000
No, no, no, no, no, you're wrong.

955
00:49:33.440 --> 00:49:36.519
What about Michael Jackson's bad album versus Michael Jackson's Thriller.

956
00:49:36.280 --> 00:49:38.119
Album Thriller obviously bestseller ever?

957
00:49:38.199 --> 00:49:40.719
No no, see, people trick themselves and believe that it's

958
00:49:40.760 --> 00:49:41.679
actually bad.

959
00:49:41.719 --> 00:49:44.000
Okay, Trading Places versus Coming to America.

960
00:49:44.079 --> 00:49:47.639
Trading Places is the funnier movie no Coming to America.

961
00:49:47.679 --> 00:49:49.559
It is the funniest movie of all time.

962
00:49:50.719 --> 00:49:53.199
So if you find yourself backing one of us or

963
00:49:53.199 --> 00:49:54.840
the other of us, you need to be listening to

964
00:49:54.880 --> 00:49:56.519
the Surely you Can't Be Serious podcasts.

965
00:49:56.519 --> 00:49:58.119
That's right, we have a friendly discussion.

966
00:49:58.199 --> 00:49:59.719
D and I are best buddies, and we take a

967
00:49:59.719 --> 00:50:02.039
deep dive and look at the behind the scenes stuff,

968
00:50:02.079 --> 00:50:04.480
the history and the fun facts of all these wonderful

969
00:50:04.519 --> 00:50:05.760
movies and music from our youth.

970
00:50:05.800 --> 00:50:07.960
It's really just an opportunity for us to geek out

971
00:50:08.000 --> 00:50:10.119
about the things that we really loved growing up.

972
00:50:10.239 --> 00:50:12.760
For example, do you know the actor that was in

973
00:50:12.800 --> 00:50:14.760
Star Wars, Batman eighty nine and.

974
00:50:14.760 --> 00:50:15.559
Raiders of the Lost Ark?

975
00:50:15.599 --> 00:50:15.760
Yeah?

976
00:50:15.800 --> 00:50:16.440
Sure, Harrison Ford.

977
00:50:16.519 --> 00:50:17.480
Harrison Ford wasn't in Batman?

978
00:50:17.519 --> 00:50:18.440
Oh yeah, Billy D Williams.

979
00:50:18.480 --> 00:50:20.480
Billy D Williams was not in Raiders of the Lost Ark.

980
00:50:20.519 --> 00:50:20.960
Who was it?

981
00:50:20.960 --> 00:50:23.039
Well, you've got to tune in to the Surely you

982
00:50:23.039 --> 00:50:25.079
Can't Be Serious podcast. When we discussed Raiders of the

983
00:50:25.119 --> 00:50:26.960
Lost Ark versus Back to the Future to find out

984
00:50:26.960 --> 00:50:27.679
the answer.

985
00:50:31.960 --> 00:50:38.880
Garrett Let's talk about the underrated Antoine Fuqua. I'm gonna

986
00:50:38.880 --> 00:50:42.960
give you the options. You give us a pick. Someone

987
00:50:43.079 --> 00:50:45.480
has just discovered they've just watched Training Day and they

988
00:50:45.480 --> 00:50:48.599
are blown away by Antoine Fuquah and you really want

989
00:50:48.599 --> 00:50:48.880
to wow.

990
00:50:48.920 --> 00:50:50.920
I'm like, oh, you got to check this out.

991
00:50:51.199 --> 00:50:57.079
Written by, directed by, or starring what underrated Antwine Fuquah

992
00:50:57.119 --> 00:50:59.000
project would you recommend to our listeners?

993
00:50:59.480 --> 00:51:02.039
So would recommend a film that he had done one

994
00:51:02.159 --> 00:51:06.360
year prior to this with another powerful African American actor,

995
00:51:07.039 --> 00:51:11.400
Jamie Foxx in the two thousand and two thousand film Bait.

996
00:51:12.239 --> 00:51:15.800
Him and David Morrissey in this film are absolutely brilliant.

997
00:51:16.159 --> 00:51:18.960
It's got a great storyline to it, it's got a

998
00:51:19.000 --> 00:51:21.119
little bit of that great comedy in it that he

999
00:51:21.239 --> 00:51:26.159
presents a lot of his films, and ultimately it's a

1000
00:51:26.280 --> 00:51:29.960
race against time and it keeps you on the edge

1001
00:51:29.960 --> 00:51:32.480
of your seat. But it's a very fun film. And

1002
00:51:32.519 --> 00:51:37.440
for that to be his second directorial film, it's amazing.

1003
00:51:38.000 --> 00:51:41.599
Okay, I'm gonna say thank you because I love Fuquah

1004
00:51:41.639 --> 00:51:44.719
and I'm not familiar with Baked so I'm gonna go

1005
00:51:44.760 --> 00:51:45.079
find it.

1006
00:51:45.119 --> 00:51:47.440
I'm gonna have you ever seen the just Watch app.

1007
00:51:50.000 --> 00:51:50.639
Doubt listen.

1008
00:51:51.440 --> 00:51:53.039
I think I've mentioned it once or twice before on

1009
00:51:53.079 --> 00:51:57.159
the show over the couple seasons. But it's an app.

1010
00:51:57.920 --> 00:52:00.639
Go to the app store on your phone. It's called

1011
00:52:00.880 --> 00:52:06.320
just Watch. It's free app. You create your account, well

1012
00:52:06.320 --> 00:52:08.880
not even account, you just create an account whatever. It's free,

1013
00:52:09.280 --> 00:52:13.280
but you enter all the streaming platforms that you have.

1014
00:52:13.559 --> 00:52:17.480
You know, if you if you Netflix, Hulu, Hbo, whatever,

1015
00:52:17.559 --> 00:52:20.920
whatever you got. You you program it and then you

1016
00:52:20.960 --> 00:52:23.519
can do a search for any TV show or movie.

1017
00:52:23.800 --> 00:52:25.840
And it will tell you what it's.

1018
00:52:25.719 --> 00:52:28.480
Streaming on for free, or it'll tell you where you

1019
00:52:28.519 --> 00:52:31.000
can rent it. I don't even use Google anymore. I

1020
00:52:31.039 --> 00:52:32.559
just go straight to my phone. You use just Watch.

1021
00:52:32.639 --> 00:52:36.719
But and if it's not available, you can hit notify

1022
00:52:36.800 --> 00:52:38.800
me and it'll send you an alert.

1023
00:52:38.480 --> 00:52:42.079
When the movie does come available. So okay, very cool.

1024
00:52:42.360 --> 00:52:43.960
Actually I can't take credit for it.

1025
00:52:44.000 --> 00:52:47.400
Brad Kozo was talking about it a couple years ago,

1026
00:52:47.480 --> 00:52:48.400
was like, what the hell what's that?

1027
00:52:48.599 --> 00:52:50.239
And he has like, I can't believe you don't have this.

1028
00:52:51.800 --> 00:52:55.639
Yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna load up baked am I

1029
00:52:55.760 --> 00:52:58.000
just watch app. If I can't find it, Yeah, I

1030
00:52:58.000 --> 00:53:01.880
gotta I gotta it. Can I give you my underrated choice?

1031
00:53:02.039 --> 00:53:04.000
Absolutely, sir, I'm going to go.

1032
00:53:04.000 --> 00:53:07.199
A couple of years after Training Day two thousand and three,

1033
00:53:07.559 --> 00:53:10.400
he does a film. He directs a film with Bruce

1034
00:53:10.400 --> 00:53:12.639
Willis called Tears of the Sun.

1035
00:53:13.400 --> 00:53:14.239
Amazing film.

1036
00:53:14.840 --> 00:53:15.800
I'm glad you've seen it.

1037
00:53:16.840 --> 00:53:19.920
I mentioned earlier at the top of the hour, I said, Hey,

1038
00:53:20.559 --> 00:53:23.039
there is a Fuquah movie I'm dying to talk about.

1039
00:53:23.159 --> 00:53:26.719
I want to cover it at some point, and it's

1040
00:53:26.760 --> 00:53:27.440
Tears of the Sun.

1041
00:53:27.760 --> 00:53:29.800
It's it's an incredible film.

1042
00:53:30.480 --> 00:53:33.199
Listeners, if you don't know what Garrett and I are discussing.

1043
00:53:33.800 --> 00:53:36.880
Bruce Willis leads a special ops team into the jungle

1044
00:53:37.519 --> 00:53:42.679
to rescue a doctor played by the forever gorgeous Monica Belalucci.

1045
00:53:43.239 --> 00:53:46.679
But she won't leave unless what she got like fifty

1046
00:53:46.719 --> 00:53:50.599
refugees at this camp. That yeah, she's not leaving without them.

1047
00:53:50.760 --> 00:53:58.079
And Bruce Willis basically him like Cole Hauser from a Yellowstone.

1048
00:53:58.519 --> 00:53:59.199
Yes, this is.

1049
00:53:59.519 --> 00:54:03.280
Before he becomes rip. You know, Uh, he's on, he's on.

1050
00:54:03.360 --> 00:54:05.920
He's one of the Navy seals and they're basically leading

1051
00:54:06.000 --> 00:54:11.239
like fifty sixty beat down starving sick refugees through the

1052
00:54:11.280 --> 00:54:14.119
jungle while like some you.

1053
00:54:14.039 --> 00:54:16.559
Know, drug lord or warlord or whatever. You know, it's like,

1054
00:54:16.559 --> 00:54:18.199
what is it like Nigeria? I think is where it

1055
00:54:18.239 --> 00:54:18.639
takes us?

1056
00:54:18.679 --> 00:54:22.480
Yeah, a gorilla militia from Nigeria.

1057
00:54:22.639 --> 00:54:26.239
Yeah, yeah, tracking yeah, yeah, you got Tom scared.

1058
00:54:26.280 --> 00:54:27.800
He's like the chief of the boat back.

1059
00:54:27.679 --> 00:54:29.480
On the y. He is.

1060
00:54:29.920 --> 00:54:30.760
It's damn good.

1061
00:54:31.280 --> 00:54:31.960
Uh.

1062
00:54:32.599 --> 00:54:34.119
I'll just I'll tell you because we're I know, we're

1063
00:54:34.119 --> 00:54:36.079
gonna talk about it at some point next season.

1064
00:54:36.079 --> 00:54:37.840
Maybe I'm putting my calendar now.

1065
00:54:37.880 --> 00:54:42.000
But the first and only time Bruce Willis was in

1066
00:54:42.039 --> 00:54:43.599
an Antoine Fuqua film.

1067
00:54:44.280 --> 00:54:44.480
Uh.

1068
00:54:44.519 --> 00:54:47.920
They famously did not get along while making it, so

1069
00:54:48.079 --> 00:54:52.039
much that they vowed never to work together again. And

1070
00:54:52.199 --> 00:54:54.239
it's a damn shame because when you know Garret, you've

1071
00:54:54.239 --> 00:54:57.000
seen the movie Bruce Willis, this is one of his

1072
00:54:57.920 --> 00:55:02.480
best roles, uh, because he's not playing you know Bruce.

1073
00:55:02.480 --> 00:55:04.679
When you get Bruce Willis, you either get the animated,

1074
00:55:05.440 --> 00:55:09.280
excitable like a John McClean type, yeah, or you get

1075
00:55:09.280 --> 00:55:14.679
a very cool, collected, calculating type like like like say

1076
00:55:14.719 --> 00:55:18.960
Unbreakable or or Jackal or Jackal.

1077
00:55:18.760 --> 00:55:20.440
Or Tears of the Sun.

1078
00:55:21.079 --> 00:55:23.840
You know, he's so calm and collected and it's it's

1079
00:55:23.880 --> 00:55:25.519
a powerhouse performance.

1080
00:55:25.559 --> 00:55:27.599
Love it, Garrett.

1081
00:55:27.920 --> 00:55:31.119
Your recommendation, I can't. I don't even need to ask

1082
00:55:31.320 --> 00:55:34.519
you know, I'll ask you this your recommendation on training day?

1083
00:55:34.760 --> 00:55:35.840
Is this? Do you need to own it?

1084
00:55:35.960 --> 00:55:38.280
Or is this like when you just catch every now

1085
00:55:38.320 --> 00:55:39.480
and then on a streamer.

1086
00:55:40.119 --> 00:55:42.679
This is one that you need to own and this

1087
00:55:42.719 --> 00:55:45.400
is one that you need to watch every chance you get,

1088
00:55:45.480 --> 00:55:48.840
because this is cinema perfection right here.

1089
00:55:49.840 --> 00:55:52.960
This film has one of the finest actors working today

1090
00:55:53.159 --> 00:55:57.119
in his most memorable, award winning performances. I think it's

1091
00:55:57.119 --> 00:56:01.639
a must own for anyone that enjoys Denzel Washington. I'm

1092
00:56:01.679 --> 00:56:04.320
embarrassed to say I've got the I got the Crummy,

1093
00:56:04.400 --> 00:56:08.599
like the the original, like the Clamshell Cardboard DVD. It's

1094
00:56:08.719 --> 00:56:10.440
it's loaded with extra It's got it got a really

1095
00:56:10.480 --> 00:56:12.840
good audio commentary by fou Qua. It's got some really

1096
00:56:12.840 --> 00:56:15.800
cool behind the scenes stuff, interviews with Macy Gray, doctor

1097
00:56:15.840 --> 00:56:19.760
dre Antoine Fooqua. It's a lot of a lot of

1098
00:56:19.760 --> 00:56:22.800
fun stuff. But uh, I was, you know, I was

1099
00:56:22.800 --> 00:56:25.480
on Amazon earlier. I saw that they do have the

1100
00:56:25.519 --> 00:56:28.880
four K Blu ray edition of this, and yeah, you know,

1101
00:56:29.000 --> 00:56:30.760
it's on its way. That's as soon as I saw it,

1102
00:56:30.800 --> 00:56:31.440
I just hit click.

1103
00:56:31.480 --> 00:56:34.519
I just I was like, yep, tell me there's a

1104
00:56:34.559 --> 00:56:37.000
steal book out there. I was about to hop off

1105
00:56:37.039 --> 00:56:38.159
then get it right now?

1106
00:56:38.559 --> 00:56:39.599
Well, I mean there might be.

1107
00:56:39.719 --> 00:56:42.079
I just I saw like the the straight up the

1108
00:56:42.079 --> 00:56:44.840
four K Blu ray with like the slipcase, and I

1109
00:56:44.880 --> 00:56:47.440
was like, ah, I get I bet there's a still

1110
00:56:47.519 --> 00:56:50.239
steal book. So now I'm gonna be I'll be regretting

1111
00:56:50.239 --> 00:56:54.119
it because like I want to steal book. Well, next

1112
00:56:54.159 --> 00:56:57.920
time on a film buy, we'll be talking about Michael

1113
00:56:58.000 --> 00:57:01.599
Mann's Miami Vice from two thousand and six. As we said,

1114
00:57:01.599 --> 00:57:05.519
it's Denzel and the Man month Man is in Michael Man.

1115
00:57:06.719 --> 00:57:07.159
Garrett.

1116
00:57:07.360 --> 00:57:11.000
You and I have just talked back to back Denzel

1117
00:57:11.079 --> 00:57:15.519
Washington movies, which has been awesome. Brad Kozo, We'll be

1118
00:57:15.599 --> 00:57:20.000
back next week to talk Miami Vice with me. If

1119
00:57:20.039 --> 00:57:22.840
you've seen it, how would you summarize Miami Vice in

1120
00:57:22.960 --> 00:57:27.079
exactly five words? Go to a Film by Podcast dot

1121
00:57:27.119 --> 00:57:29.280
com to give us your answer, or you can email

1122
00:57:29.360 --> 00:57:31.360
us at a Film by Podcast at gmail dot com.

1123
00:57:31.400 --> 00:57:34.480
Head over to the website. You can reach us there too.

1124
00:57:35.639 --> 00:57:38.000
If we use your five words synopsis on the show,

1125
00:57:38.559 --> 00:57:41.360
we'll shout you out like we did James Buckley, and

1126
00:57:42.440 --> 00:57:44.320
we'll get you some of a film by Swag and James.

1127
00:57:44.480 --> 00:57:46.239
You better believe we've got something cool coming your way.

1128
00:57:46.400 --> 00:57:48.239
I'm I'm not gonna spoil it here because i want

1129
00:57:48.320 --> 00:57:50.400
him to open the box and be like, hol hello,

1130
00:57:51.199 --> 00:57:52.320
So we got something cool for him.

1131
00:57:52.320 --> 00:57:52.519
Though.

1132
00:57:53.519 --> 00:57:56.360
You can subscribe to our YouTube channel right now for

1133
00:57:56.480 --> 00:57:59.480
your chance to win a weekend pass to one of

1134
00:57:59.599 --> 00:58:02.679
several AMA cons we'll be at at this year, Garrett,

1135
00:58:02.719 --> 00:58:04.480
You and I we're gonna be going to Horror Hound

1136
00:58:04.519 --> 00:58:05.880
here and a couple of weeks.

1137
00:58:06.280 --> 00:58:10.440
A couple of weeks, yes, sir, I believe that's nineteenth,

1138
00:58:10.559 --> 00:58:12.559
twenty twenty first something like that, March.

1139
00:58:12.360 --> 00:58:16.079
Yes, something like that. It's right around the corner. But yeah,

1140
00:58:16.960 --> 00:58:19.480
go to go to YouTube. I'm saying this. I'm gonna

1141
00:58:19.480 --> 00:58:21.960
feel bad, you know, because I've seen our subscriber count

1142
00:58:22.039 --> 00:58:26.360
jump significantly lately from this relaunch. But if you're one

1143
00:58:26.400 --> 00:58:29.280
of the first one hundred head there, you know, go

1144
00:58:29.320 --> 00:58:31.159
there right now. If you if you see the subscriber

1145
00:58:31.199 --> 00:58:35.000
count and it's under one hundred, sign up because someone

1146
00:58:35.079 --> 00:58:36.960
is gonna win a weekend pass to one of these

1147
00:58:37.000 --> 00:58:40.559
cons that we're heading to now, Garrett. We hit the

1148
00:58:40.599 --> 00:58:44.880
local ones obviously here in Cincinnati, but we also go

1149
00:58:44.920 --> 00:58:48.320
to Galaxy Con. We also head to Michigan for the

1150
00:58:48.360 --> 00:58:50.880
Motor City Con. We also head to Pittsburgh for Still

1151
00:58:50.920 --> 00:58:53.840
City Con. We also head down to Kentucky for scare

1152
00:58:54.280 --> 00:58:56.360
Scarefest is our It's our favorite.

1153
00:58:56.400 --> 00:58:58.960
You know, we love Scarefest. We love we love the

1154
00:58:58.960 --> 00:58:59.800
guys at Scarefest.

1155
00:58:59.800 --> 00:59:04.280
But yeah, check us out on YouTube because uh, there's

1156
00:59:04.360 --> 00:59:05.719
room in the car when you might be going with

1157
00:59:05.800 --> 00:59:09.239
us for free, so check it out. You can also

1158
00:59:09.320 --> 00:59:12.639
find us on social media. You can join us on Instagram, Facebook,

1159
00:59:12.639 --> 00:59:16.519
and x We love interacting with people, sharing opinions, taking

1160
00:59:16.559 --> 00:59:20.679
your requests for future episodes, and of course debating great movies.

1161
00:59:20.800 --> 00:59:23.000
Uh, I got to share this. I saw this the

1162
00:59:23.039 --> 00:59:23.480
other day.

1163
00:59:24.400 --> 00:59:27.480
Someone left the It was on YouTube, Garrett. Someone left

1164
00:59:27.480 --> 00:59:32.360
the comment amber was a little I think it was

1165
00:59:32.400 --> 00:59:34.960
the Dvintion. Yeah, I think it's the Dvintion Code episode,

1166
00:59:34.960 --> 00:59:37.519
which I can't believe in bringing this bringing her up

1167
00:59:37.559 --> 00:59:43.159
again with her disdanger keeps turning up. But someone, uh,

1168
00:59:43.199 --> 00:59:46.239
you know, he drop a comment like I hate everything

1169
00:59:46.239 --> 00:59:50.199
about this episode, and I'm like, oh shit. So I'm like, hey,

1170
00:59:51.320 --> 00:59:53.679
you know what I'm I'm you know, I'm trying to

1171
00:59:53.760 --> 00:59:57.559
make peace. Amber pops in and I'm talking like from

1172
00:59:57.599 --> 01:00:01.679
the top rope. She comes dropping another just leaves a comment, Yeah,

1173
01:00:01.679 --> 01:00:06.920
I'm an acquired taste. And the guy he responds back

1174
01:00:06.920 --> 01:00:09.199
to it. He's like, and I'm here for it. I

1175
01:00:09.239 --> 01:00:11.000
was like, well, there, it is the voice of reason.

1176
01:00:11.559 --> 01:00:14.840
Even when she's wrong, she's right because because the listeners

1177
01:00:14.840 --> 01:00:15.360
are loving her.

1178
01:00:15.400 --> 01:00:16.920
So I love it.

1179
01:00:17.039 --> 01:00:20.840
I love when she does that stuff. She's she's fantastic. Now,

1180
01:00:20.960 --> 01:00:24.000
I know you're taking next week off, Garrett, but we

1181
01:00:24.079 --> 01:00:28.360
got a we got kind of an important holiday dropping

1182
01:00:28.559 --> 01:00:29.280
in February.

1183
01:00:31.039 --> 01:00:33.599
Yeah, can we go? Can we talk about this?

1184
01:00:33.719 --> 01:00:34.360
Can we can? We?

1185
01:00:34.480 --> 01:00:35.800
Can we hint at it? At least?

1186
01:00:36.519 --> 01:00:40.800
Well, I feel like the upcoming holiday will might be

1187
01:00:40.800 --> 01:00:41.599
a little bloody.

1188
01:00:44.159 --> 01:00:45.920
I'm just gonna let him know because I'm excited for this,

1189
01:00:46.119 --> 01:00:51.280
uh my bloody Valentine. And we're not talking about the remake.

1190
01:00:51.880 --> 01:00:55.519
We're talking about the original, the o G the classic.

1191
01:00:56.400 --> 01:00:59.000
Garrett. You and I have talked about this, Uh, you

1192
01:00:59.079 --> 01:00:59.599
want to do it?

1193
01:00:59.639 --> 01:01:04.000
I want to do it and I'm happy to say

1194
01:01:04.199 --> 01:01:07.000
that our very own slasher girl, Amanda Janek.

1195
01:01:07.760 --> 01:01:08.760
I mentioned this to her.

1196
01:01:08.679 --> 01:01:11.800
And she was like, hell, yes, Actually she mentioned it

1197
01:01:11.880 --> 01:01:15.480
a year ago. We were trying to put this together

1198
01:01:15.599 --> 01:01:19.400
last season and we're gonna do my Bloody Valentine original

1199
01:01:19.519 --> 01:01:23.239
versus remake kind of a thing, and it didn't work out.

1200
01:01:23.320 --> 01:01:26.000
And I'm glad it didn't work out because now you know,

1201
01:01:26.119 --> 01:01:29.400
she just wants to focus on the original. So I

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know you haven't met her yet. I'm telling you right now,

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you're gonna love her. I saw her, she posted on

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social media earlier today. She was like she was working out.

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She had a sleeveless Friday the thirteenth tank top on.

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I'm telling you, you guys are gonna become both of fridents.

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Yeah and okay, so I'll give that much out that

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we're going to be doing this, but I might have

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a surprise for you and for Amanda. We might we

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might not be alone.

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I'll say, Okay, you moving on my interest here.

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That's it.

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That's it, all right, all right, well, Garrett, thank you

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as always. I'm looking forward to uh, you know you

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enjoy your week off. I know you're coming back for more.

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Michael Mann. We're gonna talk about Ali, right, We're gonna

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do a uh Jimmy Fox, Ali Will Smith.

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Yes, sir, we most certainly are and one I'm excited

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to talk about, especially during the great month of February. So, uh,

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it's gonna be a good episode.

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It is.

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It is well for all of you listening to the show,

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following us on social media, subscribing to our Patreon like

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a managantic, like James Buckley, We thank you.