March 23, 2025

Barry Levinson - Young Sherlock Holmes

Barry Levinson - Young Sherlock Holmes
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Season 6A Film By...

Jeff, Amber, and David team up to celebrate the 40th anniversary of Barry Levinson's unique take on Sherlock Holmes' early years, which offers audiences an exciting, action-packed ride filled with hidden clues, supernatural elements, and a fresh look at the beloved characters. The game is afoot with Young Sherlock Holmes!

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There are two well known catchphrases associated with Sherlock Holmes.

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Dave, can you give me one?

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The game is a foot Amber?

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How about the other one?

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Elementary, My dear Watson.

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Amber, I like that you you you chose that one,

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you know, being the teacher, it kind of fits. But

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what did surprised you to know that neither originates with

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the works of Sir Arthur Conan Doyle.

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No, because I know where the one comes from.

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Okay, well, okay, Amber, I'm sure you're talking about the

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game as a foot. Yes, tell us where it comes from.

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It comes from, uh, Henry the Fifth, from the once

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more into the breach, dear friends, speech, I see you

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stand like greyhounds in the slips, straining upon the start.

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The game is afoot, follow your spirit and upon this

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charge cry God for Harry England and Saint George.

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Well done, Amber, and then they take.

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Down the castle. It's amazing.

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Okay, all right, Amber's clearly ready for any Henry the

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Fifth adaptationally.

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Easy, like an all girl cast.

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Dave flip flipping the flip of the tables here because

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she took a game as a foot, Dave, Elementary, my

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dear Watson never written in Doyle's four novels or fifteen

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short stories.

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So where do they come from? Then?

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The phrase is often credited to stage actor William Gillette,

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who played Holmes in eighteen ninety nine and gave the line,

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oh this is elementary, my dear Watson. So that's that's

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who's credited by it.

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Sir Arthur Conan. Doyle never once wrote that.

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Which he didn't write this either, so fitting.

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It's all fitting like where a dear stocker either?

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So yeah, so I'll tell tell you what.

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Let's talk about a film by Barry levitson his nineteen

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eighty five unbelievably underrated film Young Sherlock Holmes.

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Hello, and welcome back.

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I'm Jeff Johnson, I'm David Burns, and I'm Member Lewis.

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And this is a film by podcast. Kind of excited.

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Uh, sometimes you have everything planned, sometimes you know exactly

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which episode we're going to cover, and then you know

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delays happened or someone's having to change your schedule up

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and we gotta we gotta pivot. And I was kind

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of surprised, you know, I was. I was between this

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and a Soderberg film actually, and I was like, you

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know what, Young Sherlock Holmes is celebrating its fortieth anniversary,

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and Barry Levinson has a new movie coming out this week,

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The Alter Nights with Robert de Niro.

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And Amber. We had just talked about Robert de Niro

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on the Intern episode, so like the stars were all aligning.

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Dave, you had been after me about young Sherlock Holmes

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for a while.

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I have.

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I've thought at you too, and you both were like, yes,

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let's do it tomorrow.

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I was like, yeah, my leg getting that's right.

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These guys are ready and it's such it's such a

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beloved film. But before we get into it, I do

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want to talk a little bit about Barry Levinson. I'm

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excited actually when we get to the our suggestions, you

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know what three films we'd suggest. He's got such an

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impressive body of work. I struggled and I was like, well,

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you know what, I wonder if Dave will mention this movie,

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or I wonder if Amber is going to be all

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in on this movie. Maybe I won't have to talk

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about it because they will. So I'm excited to see

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how that's going to shake out. But tell you what

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three facts about Barry Levinson. He's a bit of a

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Beatles fan.

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He once met and interviewed the late John Lennon in

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New York City in nineteen eighty. Pretty impressive.

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It is pretty impressive.

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Yeah, his films often take place in the past. I

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don't know if you noticed this, and we'll probably talk

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about this later when we talk about his phomography a

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little bit. But when you think about his movies, they

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all share something in common. They're historical or their period pieces.

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And I you know, he's not the only director that

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does this, but he's one of the better ones.

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I will say that the track up my alley, So

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I know, yeah, Dave, I know you.

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I know you love directors that do this kind of thing.

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One more fun.

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Fact for you, he frequently works with Robin Williams and

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Dustin Hoffman. Again, he likes his period pieces, his historical stuff.

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He likes Robin Williams, he likes Dustin Hoffman.

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Dave, after the successful limited series A Film at forty

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five came to its end, I had to steal something

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from from you. You know, I love that you guys

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always quoted. I love that you guys always quoted the director.

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So I was like, you know, why don't you just

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do that on the main show.

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I can steal it because like technically it's it's the

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same show, so it is. Yeah, yeah, how about but

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you know what, how about how about how about you

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give us a quote?

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Did you find a Barry Levitson quote for us?

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I did? And he he basically is talking about filmmaking

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in general. He says, it gets harder and harder to

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make movies about human beings. These movies are like an

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endangered species. Everything is simplified, simplified. Now, how many movies

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have subplots anymore?

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That's interesting because now that I think about, and I'm

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assuming he saw with movies in like the last twenty

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years or the last thirty years, Yeah, they have dumbed

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down quite a bit.

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Would you agree to that, Nimber?

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Yeah, I mean it's it's a lot of you know,

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comic book heroes and dinosaurs and things like that, which

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are all all great and all fun, but they are

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You just gotta hold your breath until Nolan makes another

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movie and then balance is restored to the universe.

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Yes, thank you, TikTok generation You've done so much for us.

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David I said, this was just unbelievably underrated.

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It is.

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And right, we were.

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Talking about that last night as we were all doing

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our rewrotch. Yes, yeah, like how just incredibly slept on

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this movie is?

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Yeah, I have to believe and listen, there's some great

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eight Sherlock Holmes movies out there, right, And I'm not

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talking just about recently, you know. I'm talking about you know,

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like one hundred years ago Basil Rathbone, like all the

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movies that he did right right up until recent times

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where we've got Artie j you know, having having a

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lot of fun with the character.

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Did you guys watch Sherlock on the BBC? Oh? Yeah, okay,

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so you've seen that one. That one's fantastic.

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Yep, absolutely loved it.

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And but who's your who's your favorite performer for Sherlock Holmes.

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I'm partial, Jeremy Brett is the best. But I'm partial

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to the Basisl Wrathbone movies because that's how I first

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was introduced to the character. My dad loved those movies,

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so we would watch that a lot.

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How about you, David, I'm gonna have to go with

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Basil Rathbone because he's such a classic actor. I have

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to go with him. Now, there are plenty of other

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actors who have done an incredible job at Sherlock Holmes,

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but I don't always go to him for some reason.

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I think it's because I saw a lot of reruns

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of him back in the eighties, and I think that's

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how I got attached to him as an actor playing Holmes.

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I gotta be honest.

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I know it's not a movie, it's a TV show,

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but I think I think Bennett Cumberbatch might be one

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of my favorites.

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H He's definitely more much fun.

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He was so much fun. Yeah, and I definitely like

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him more than Robert Downey Junior. But I like Robert

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Donnell Junior too, so I digress, Dave. I have to

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believe that of all the Sherlock Holmes movies out there,

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there's probably a lot of our listeners that maybe aren't

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familiar with this one from nineteen eighty five, which is

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also celebrating its fortieth anniversary. Can you give us a

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little synopsis to young Sherlock Holmes.

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The game is afoot in the adventure of a lifetime.

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It is in the early days of Sherlock Holmes, who

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meets his life long friend Watson for the first time

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at an English boarding school, Holmes quickly impresses his fellow

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classmates and teachers on his skills of deductive ability. It

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isn't long until he his new friend Watson and companion

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Elizabeth quickly in coover a plot by an Egyptian cult

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to kill British men in high standing. This puts in

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motion not only Holmes's first mystery to unravel, but also

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starts his famous future of becoming one of the most

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incredible investigators known to the world.

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Guys, we have a debut in this film, and I

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was quite surprised when I uncovered who it was.

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And he guesses, I want to see Alan Cox. But

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I could be wrong.

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You could be an r Amber.

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I don't know. I kind of thought maybe all the

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kids were were making their debut.

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So trick question.

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It's not a film, it's it's not an actor's debut,

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it's a producer's debut. This is the first film produced

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by Henry Winkler.

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Ye, how amazing is that?

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That's what makes it so good?

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You were going to st aren't we meeting him in

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a couple couple of weeks.

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We are, Oh my goodness, a happy day reunion.

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Yeah, we.

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Have the best comic this year.

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It's great.

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So everyone week, everyone's gonna be in line talking to

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him about Phonsie, and I'm going to walk up and

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be like, let's talk about your involvement with young Sherlock Holmes.

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Why not?

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Yeah, Yeah, he's gonna be He might be like, hey,

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I'm thank you.

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I'd like to talk about something that that's that's not Fonzie.

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Or Scream or Scream as we know.

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This is based on the works of Sir Arthur Cornan Doyle.

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The story is an original by Chris Columbus, who at

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the time admitted that he was very worried about offending

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some of the Holmes purists. I completely forgot Chris Columbus

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was even involved with this. But when you watch it,

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I mean you can clearly see it right.

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The movie that Sorcerers Stone wanted to be.

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Okay, okay, is it too early, because uh, I got

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something about that. But Amber you just said so, so

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you know what I'm talking about. No, I'm ready to

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do it now, let's just jump into it. So let's

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go ahead. Let's just let's just jump in and do it.

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I want to discuss JK. Rowling's thievery because this movie.

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It's just a Harry Potter blueprint if there ever was one.

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But but Amber you you clearly agree because you brought

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it up. I thought I was gonna stun you, Dave.

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You're a huge Harry Potter fan.

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You see it, right, I mean with the boarding school,

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everything that's going on within the school, and I thought

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the the mystery behind things as you called, Yeah.

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You guys are two of the biggest fans of Harry Potter.

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I thought I was going to have to, you know,

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convince you. But but I'm glad that we're all on

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the same team here.

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But for anyone listening.

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Who's like, what what is sent to a special school

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far from his home? And by the way, Watson is

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Harry Potter. I sent the picture to you guys. So

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the screen grab, the hair, the glasses, the scarf.

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He's like twelve years old.

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It's it's everything, right. All these kids are wearing matching scarves.

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The school bully or the nemesis happens to be a

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wealthy kid with his blonde hair extremely parted. And oh,

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by the way, his name is Doyle, So that you know,

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there's that's a two for as far as I'm concerned.

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All three of these heroes.

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We got two boys, one's confident, one's bumbling, and a

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studious girl that's cruised to solving the mystery.

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That sounds familiar. How about the character names in this movie?

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We got Missus dribb Chester, Cragwitch, Rupert Wax Flatter, Bentley,

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Bobster Masters.

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The little more Dickenzie in to me.

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How many Bentley, Bobsters and Cragwitches are running around the

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streets of London.

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I wonder at a favorite.

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Part when they're trying to like snap Cragwitch out of

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his vision and he's like, your name is Krabby Kritcherwitch.

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You can't get it's so funny.

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Yeah, you just you can't tell me that. JK.

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Rowling, who was twenty years old when this movie came out,

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wasn't heavily influenced by it when she created Harry Potter

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ten years later, you know. And the thing is, she

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claims Harry Potter came from bedtime stories that she made

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up to tell her kids.

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That's a bunch of bullshit, because that's you know, she

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didn't tell him bedtime story.

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you know called it a night.

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That's That's where I'm at with it.

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each other and play both movies like Sorcerer's Stone and

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a comparison, because I think they would align spectacularly.

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you know, there's there's there's there's another homage happening. There's

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another bit of influencing happening. And if JK is stealing

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from this, this movie might be borrowing heavily from another movie,

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which I'm gonna save that one until we get to

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noteworthy scenes.

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But watching I was like.

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Seriously? So we'll get to that. So back to Chris Columbus.

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He's got a great working relationship with Steven Spielberg, who's

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executive producing this movie after their partnership on Grimlins in

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nineteen eighty four. He's also got Young Sherlock Holmes's a

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pretty big year for Chris Columbus. In nineteen eighty five,

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speaking about the character and his take on Holmes, Columbus said,

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the thing that was most important to me was why

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Holmes became so cold and calculating and why he was

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alone for the rest of his life. That's why he's

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so emotional in the film. As a youngster, he was

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He fell in love with the love.

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Of his life, and as a result of what happens

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in this film, he becomes the person he was later.

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to explain some of the things about Holmes's life and

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his beliefs. I really liked that about this movie.

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Last Crusade, you know, where they're like ticking all the boxes.

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You know, this is how he got the hat and

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this is how he got the pipe. Yeah, but they

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do it in such an interesting way by making him

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a different character than he is later in his life,

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that you don't really notice that it's happening.

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One other person I want to talk about behind the scenes.

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Bruce Broughton composed the film score. Now I hear his name,

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I think a movie is like the Ice Pirates and

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the Monster Squad.

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But this one's probably my favorite. David your thoughts.

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I mean, he's just coming off scoring Silverado, so to me,

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this is his best score of everything he's done in

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his career, and he's done a lot of stuff. Oh

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but there's just so much to this he has, says,

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a magnificent blend of like intrigue, romance, high adventure, terror,

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and the fact that he gives that like nineteenth century

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British romance tone to all of it as well at

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the same time just really makes it unique and one

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of the things I love. And Jerry Goldsmith did this too.

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Jerry Goldsmith always put those unique sounds into his music.

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Broughton used that like rattling sound effect that you hear emily,

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like shuffling boots on a stage floor. You know, you

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hear that throughout some of this, especially at the beginning

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and towards the end. Not to mention all that temple

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of doom chanting. Oh my goodness, oh.

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Man, how how terrified were you as a as a

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child watching this and hearing the romy tep chant I mean, you.

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Just know nothing good can come from this, no wrow

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Like nothing good is happening in the Spear like at.

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All Well, a little treat for you guys and for

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our listeners. We were able to get our good friend

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co host Wayne whiteed back for another of his scoring sessions.

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Here's what Wayne.

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Has to say about Bruce Broughton, Take it away, Wayne.

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Nineteen eighty five was a great year for film scores.

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Alan Silverstree gave us the rousing score to Back to

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the Future, Dave Greskin brought us excitement to the Goonies,

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and Jerry Goldsmith went into action with Amble First Blood

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Part two. Sitting alongside these masterpieces of music was forty

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year old Bruce Broughton. He was no stranger to creating

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exciting family film scores. By nineteen eighty five, he had

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become one of Hollywood's busiest composers and what Broughton was

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mostly known at the time as a prolific television composer,

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having worked on series like Hawaifi, Logan's Run, Dallas, Muckrodgers

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in the Twenty fifth Century, and many more. In nineteen

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eighty five, he had just completed the music for a

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film that would bring him an Academy Award nomination the

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following year, Silverado. Young Cherlock Holmes would be only his

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fourth feature film score of his career, but would be

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the score that he would be most remembered for and

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one of his biggest successes. Written for a large symphony

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orchestra and choir, recorded with a Symphonia of London Orchestra,

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the score is a masterpiece of the genre. It is

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a wonderful score from beginning to end, richly orchestrated, featuring

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at least five memorable themes, full of fun and adventure

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and whimsy with each note and chord. The whole score

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is full of incredible pieces that's hard to choose just

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which ones are my favorite. To start off, the main

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title introduces the sweeping theme for Young Sherlock Holmes. This

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is his intellectual theme which also has a real sense

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of playfulness and whimsy. The theme starts out played on

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a piccolo. It eventually gets taken up by the full orchestra,

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augmented by magical chimes and swooping flute accents. It is

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here where we first hear a musical technique used throughout

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the film called the cole legno, which is when the

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string players tap the cases of their instruments with the

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back of their bows to create an unsettling rattling effect.

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Next up is Watson's Arrival, which introduces another theme heard

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throughout the film, a theme of friendship, introduced here as

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a duet for cello and obo. One of the more

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powerful pieces of the score is titled Waxing Elizabeth. While

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it's funny to note that the choir is singing nonsense words,

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the sheer orchestral might of these performances is so incredibly

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powerful it'll knock you right out of the chair. Then

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there's a short piece called Second Attempt, which I have

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to point out it's one of my favorite cues of

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his score, where Broughton shows off his unique playful style,

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fun woodwinds and strings riffing their own themes in a

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lovely and creative way. Finally, I'd be crazy if I

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didn't point out the master works of the final two

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cues of the score, the Riddles Solved and end Credits.

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It starts off with a beautiful performance of the love

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theme before moving right into the rolling credits, where Broughton

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brings out all of his themes one last time for

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the full orchestra to bring the film to an exuberant end.

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This is a showstopper for sure, one of Broughton's finest

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works and one of the best film scores to come

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out in the nineteen eighties. Since Young Sherlock Holmes, Bruce

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Broughton has continued to bring his unique style of film

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and television music from movies like The Monster Squad, Harry

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and the Henderson's the Rescuers, Down Under Tombstone and even

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Lost in Space, and to TV series like Amazing Stories,

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Tiny Toon Adventures, JAG and more recently with The Orville.

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Like John Williams and Jerry Goldsmith, Bruce Broughton is one

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of those composers with very dis distinct musical fingerprint, a

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unique sound that within just a few seconds of listening

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to one of his scores, I can tell it's his work.

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Over the years, I picked up many of his CDs

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just basically solely on the fact that it's his music.

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Even if I've never seen the film before, I know

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that I'm in for a great listen. The score to

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Young Sherlock Holmes has had an interesting release history. In

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nineteen eighty five, with the release of the film, MCA

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Records brought out a very short ten track album on

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both LP record and cassette, containing only a small sampling

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of the music brought and wrote for the film. It

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wasn't until two thousand and two before the score would

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be seen again, this time nearly complete and an extremely

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limited CD released by Introta Records. This edition was never

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put up for sale and only printed for promotional use

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only by composer Bruce Broughton himself, making it nearly impossible

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for collectors and fans to get their hands on without

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paying an incredible sum of money on the auction sites

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unless you knew the composer personal. Finally, in twenty fourteen,

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and Trotter release it again, this time unlimited and for

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sale to the general public, with the entire complete score

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on two CDs and with sixteen minutes of alternates and

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excerpts never before available. And Troda again re released the

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score in twenty nineteen, this time as a three D

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CD set containing the complete score with alternate source cues

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and the original nineteen eighty five album remastered. This version

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is currently on aval for sale, but we'll be back

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in the near future. Once in Trotte is able to

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repress more copies, so if you're looking to own one

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of Bruce Broughton's most energetic and exciting scores that is

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guaranteed to put a smile on your face. Keep an

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eye out for it to be restocked and get yourself

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a copy, and while you're waiting, check out some of

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his other scores that are available. You won't regret it

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for a second.

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David, gotta be honest, it's I think it's time to

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maybe pull Wayne off of Phasers just a little bit so.

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He could do more of these scoring sessions for our

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main show.

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He does such an excellent job and.

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They're so good. I get so excited when he's on.

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Yeah, people want more of it, so I love it

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when he wants to do it.

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Sure, Yeah, absolutely. I'll tell you what.

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Let's take a quick break and when we come back,

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we will talk about this amazing cast.

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Welcome back.

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We are talking about Barry Levinson Young Sherlock Holmes, which

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is celebrating its fortieth anniversary this year, Nicholas Rowe playing

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the title character Young Sherlock Holmes.

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Dave, it's probably been a good fifteen years since I've

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watched this. Yeah, I'm looking at him like I know

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I know him. I know I know him. It's the

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lawyer from Seed of Chucky.

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It is yeah.

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Yeah. Other than that, I don't know where this man's been.

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See. I had a similar thing, but it was watching

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The Crown.

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He always in The Crown.

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He shows up as I think one of the prime ministers.

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He works in Parliament somewhere as a pretty significant role.

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I'm sure all the British listeners are like Jesus, he's

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playing this guy. But I'm not familiar with the gentleman

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he was playing. But I was very excited when he

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came on screen.

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I was like, hey, Charlotte, I think this is a

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case with this cast. It's a lot of British actors,

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so they've got they've got a pretty impressive filmography with

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film and television.

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It's just I've never seen any of it.

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it makes sense.

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I will I will say this though, uh Nicholas Rowe.

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With all apologies and respect to Robert Downey Junior, this

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is my second favorite Sherlock. I love I love, I

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love what he's doing and I know he's like what

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sixteen d.

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They caught him. I would be willing to bet that

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the year before they made this movie. He was like

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five foot two and had like a super grosspert because

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he's so gangly and like kind of awkward, like he

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doesn't know how to move being that tall yet, and

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it's just so charming.

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I didn't see it in his hormography, but I think

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one of the biggest mistakes.

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Is that he never played Ichabod Crane.

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Oh that'd be perfect.

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Would he have been a great Ichabod?

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He would have.

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He did show up. It's Sherlock again, though, did he?

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In the movie Mister Holmes with Ian McKellen. Ian McKellen

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is playing Sherlock Holmes, okay, and he's watching a movie

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about Charlock Holmes and Nicholas Rowe plays the Sharlocke Combs

476
00:26:12.319 --> 00:26:12.799
in the movie.

477
00:26:13.519 --> 00:26:16.519
Oh Cod, that's kind of meta. That's kind of cool, right, yeah,

478
00:26:16.920 --> 00:26:17.279
kind of.

479
00:26:17.759 --> 00:26:19.880
You miss it kind of thing, but I like that.

480
00:26:20.480 --> 00:26:23.680
Yeah, Dave, you may have had this in your notes,

481
00:26:23.720 --> 00:26:25.519
but if you and I apologize if I'm stealing it.

482
00:26:25.799 --> 00:26:28.000
But you know, since since Wayne joined us briefly, I

483
00:26:28.000 --> 00:26:30.880
will say the one thing I did see about a

484
00:26:30.880 --> 00:26:35.160
lot of these casts members, they have all had.

485
00:26:35.000 --> 00:26:36.319
A foot in the Doctor Who.

486
00:26:36.640 --> 00:26:41.319
Oh yeah, whether it's TV or podcasts or podcast series

487
00:26:41.400 --> 00:26:44.519
or movies. It's you know, pretty much all of them

488
00:26:44.519 --> 00:26:46.200
had some kind of Doctor Who thing happened.

489
00:26:46.240 --> 00:26:48.319
But I mean it's it's a British thing in Doctor

490
00:26:48.319 --> 00:26:52.039
Who's gigantic over there, like huge comedian's over here too.

491
00:26:52.119 --> 00:26:55.480
It's a global thing now, but you know, back around

492
00:26:55.480 --> 00:26:59.200
this time, you know, seventies eighties, it was more focused

493
00:26:59.200 --> 00:27:02.119
in the British side of it until PBS started playing

494
00:27:02.119 --> 00:27:03.720
it over here. So it makes sense that a lot

495
00:27:03.759 --> 00:27:07.319
of these actors are were involved with Doctor Who.

496
00:27:08.119 --> 00:27:13.000
Alan Cox, the son of Brian Cox, is here playing

497
00:27:14.079 --> 00:27:19.079
Harry No, sorry, John Watson, not Harry Potter.

498
00:27:19.359 --> 00:27:20.839
No, Alan Cox.

499
00:27:20.680 --> 00:27:24.680
Is here looking exactly like Harry Potter, but playing John Watson.

500
00:27:25.680 --> 00:27:26.000
Again.

501
00:27:26.720 --> 00:27:30.759
A fantastic performance from a young individual. And I'm looking

502
00:27:30.759 --> 00:27:33.480
at his filmography and I just I know I've seen

503
00:27:33.559 --> 00:27:37.599
him in one thing, Dave, but I don't remember it

504
00:27:37.599 --> 00:27:40.039
at all. He was in the Young Indiana Jones Chronicles

505
00:27:40.160 --> 00:27:40.960
in ninety two.

506
00:27:41.240 --> 00:27:44.200
Yeah, Spielberg connected there. That's why.

507
00:27:45.680 --> 00:27:47.640
I don't know if you looked at I know I've

508
00:27:47.640 --> 00:27:49.920
seen the episode, but it might be one of the

509
00:27:49.920 --> 00:27:51.279
most boring episodes they ever did.

510
00:27:53.759 --> 00:27:54.240
Indie.

511
00:27:55.400 --> 00:27:58.359
I looked at the I looked at the synopsis for

512
00:27:58.359 --> 00:28:00.000
the episode, and even it almost put me to slip.

513
00:28:00.200 --> 00:28:03.640
But basically, Indy spots that there's a mistake in a

514
00:28:03.680 --> 00:28:08.519
painting in France and it's about the Bolsheviks. And turns

515
00:28:08.559 --> 00:28:13.880
out Indy, you know, Dimitri, who is Alan Cox, I guess,

516
00:28:13.920 --> 00:28:16.680
invites him to hear a speech from Lennon and then

517
00:28:16.720 --> 00:28:19.519
they starts the It hints at the revolution.

518
00:28:19.279 --> 00:28:22.519
Or just whatever. There's no action in it at all.

519
00:28:22.559 --> 00:28:25.599
It's just about a painting in France, you know.

520
00:28:25.680 --> 00:28:28.440
Speaking speaking of Watson, and I know we're talking about

521
00:28:28.440 --> 00:28:30.079
the cast here, we're not really talking about the film

522
00:28:30.119 --> 00:28:33.039
itself yet. But what I love about this film is

523
00:28:33.079 --> 00:28:35.559
the fact that, yeah, it's called Young Charlock Holmes and

524
00:28:35.599 --> 00:28:39.079
it's about Holmes, but this is actually Watson's story, you know.

525
00:28:39.160 --> 00:28:42.720
It's it's him narrating this, him finding and discovering the

526
00:28:42.799 --> 00:28:46.720
friend Sherlock Holmes. So I find that very interesting and

527
00:28:46.759 --> 00:28:49.119
intriguing of a story that they went that route. And

528
00:28:49.160 --> 00:28:51.079
I love that they went that route, I really do.

529
00:28:51.759 --> 00:28:56.160
I do love the narrator, the older Watson, who amber

530
00:28:56.599 --> 00:29:00.000
here the Disney expert, at least on our show.

531
00:29:01.559 --> 00:29:03.200
Is this the guy that's Is this the guy that

532
00:29:03.240 --> 00:29:05.680
does the voice for for Winnie the Pooh or am

533
00:29:05.720 --> 00:29:06.759
I just assuming that?

534
00:29:07.039 --> 00:29:07.119
No?

535
00:29:07.960 --> 00:29:09.400
You can you can see how to make that connection

536
00:29:09.440 --> 00:29:11.759
though he's this guy's got such a.

537
00:29:11.319 --> 00:29:15.839
Yeah, no, he's he is a voice, great British actor.

538
00:29:15.880 --> 00:29:20.680
He's been in like a million things. My favorite thing

539
00:29:20.759 --> 00:29:23.799
is he uh is the King and the Slipper in

540
00:29:23.839 --> 00:29:27.160
the Rose It's a musical version of Cinderella and he

541
00:29:27.240 --> 00:29:32.319
is completely hilarious in it. But he did you know,

542
00:29:32.799 --> 00:29:36.000
He's done Barry Lindon, he did a Christmas Carol, he

543
00:29:36.039 --> 00:29:39.160
did Watership Down. He was one of the voices.

544
00:29:39.160 --> 00:29:41.920
That's where I know his voice down Dave, I know,

545
00:29:42.000 --> 00:29:44.599
I've got the note here. We talked about him in

546
00:29:44.599 --> 00:29:45.640
a film at forty five.

547
00:29:46.200 --> 00:29:50.599
What's his now? I feel I'm being Michael Hordron. Okay,

548
00:29:50.839 --> 00:29:52.279
there it is. That's where I know the voice.

549
00:29:52.279 --> 00:29:53.200
It's yeah.

550
00:29:53.400 --> 00:29:55.960
See I was thinking I was singing bears. It's actually rabbits.

551
00:29:56.000 --> 00:29:58.039
That was close.

552
00:30:00.039 --> 00:30:02.720
It was animated. Yeah no.

553
00:30:03.160 --> 00:30:07.799
But back to Alan Cox, It's interesting to see Watson

554
00:30:07.839 --> 00:30:11.920
as more of a fumbling, bumbling type when a lot

555
00:30:11.920 --> 00:30:14.440
of times he's he's the sounding board, right, he's the

556
00:30:15.079 --> 00:30:18.359
well it fits, he's the Victorian voice the reason.

557
00:30:18.559 --> 00:30:22.359
Right, but it fits more that he's younger in this

558
00:30:22.599 --> 00:30:27.400
and so therefore less wise and less knowledgeable. You know,

559
00:30:27.440 --> 00:30:31.519
That's the one thing that I hate about shaw Holm's

560
00:30:31.559 --> 00:30:35.960
adaptations is Watson is a doctor. This man is not

561
00:30:36.000 --> 00:30:39.240
an idiot. So as much as I love the Basil Rathbone,

562
00:30:40.119 --> 00:30:44.079
Nigel Bruce chemistry, like Nigel Bruce made him a moron,

563
00:30:44.880 --> 00:30:49.359
and you know, you had to fight that digma of

564
00:30:49.400 --> 00:30:52.079
that character for a really long time. So I like

565
00:30:52.160 --> 00:30:55.519
that Watson gets to be the hero and part of

566
00:30:55.559 --> 00:30:57.240
this movie and he gets to figure things out on

567
00:30:57.240 --> 00:31:00.960
his own. I think that's really important because that's more

568
00:31:01.000 --> 00:31:03.079
of who he becomes in the stories.

569
00:31:03.839 --> 00:31:04.079
Yeah.

570
00:31:04.920 --> 00:31:11.319
Sophie Ward as Elizabeth Hardy just adorable. Yes, just I

571
00:31:11.359 --> 00:31:17.160
mean the fact that she's playing Hermione Granger long before JK.

572
00:31:17.279 --> 00:31:21.640
Relling knows that she's Amione Granger. Definitely, Like, you know,

573
00:31:21.680 --> 00:31:25.799
I do, I do love what the girl's doing again

574
00:31:25.920 --> 00:31:30.000
to one of these British actresses. Seventy three credits. We

575
00:31:30.200 --> 00:31:30.839
the three of us.

576
00:31:30.720 --> 00:31:35.640
Have seen three of them. Well, okay, Amber's giving me

577
00:31:35.680 --> 00:31:38.799
a look like, oh, I'm familiar. With her good shair.

578
00:31:39.839 --> 00:31:42.640
So she played a young girl in the Hunger in

579
00:31:42.720 --> 00:31:46.119
nineteen eighty three, and I'll be honest, I have no

580
00:31:46.160 --> 00:31:48.400
recollection of her in The Hunger because I was looking

581
00:31:48.400 --> 00:31:50.559
at other things in the Hunger, and if you're seeing

582
00:31:50.559 --> 00:31:53.599
The Hunger, you know what I'm talking about. She was

583
00:31:53.640 --> 00:31:56.279
in Return to Oz in nineteen eighty five, same year.

584
00:31:56.119 --> 00:31:59.480
As Scared the Hack Hat Everybody.

585
00:31:59.000 --> 00:32:02.759
A little scary in that right right well, and then

586
00:32:02.759 --> 00:32:06.960
obviously the other seventy movies that she's done, you know,

587
00:32:07.119 --> 00:32:09.799
movies and television, I just haven't seen them.

588
00:32:10.359 --> 00:32:15.680
This is when the Michael Fastpender Mia Watsakowska Jane Eyre

589
00:32:15.799 --> 00:32:19.440
that came out not too long ago, and played a

590
00:32:19.480 --> 00:32:23.440
snotty character. So when she showed up, I was like, Oh, no,

591
00:32:23.720 --> 00:32:24.680
you're not this person.

592
00:32:25.440 --> 00:32:26.680
That's why Jeff doesn't know it.

593
00:32:27.640 --> 00:32:31.720
Hey, you didn't know it either. That's let's not pretend

594
00:32:31.720 --> 00:32:34.720
that Amber's not adding gravitas to this show now, because

595
00:32:34.720 --> 00:32:38.640
she's seen certain things that we would never watch. So

596
00:32:39.279 --> 00:32:40.880
of course she was in Jane Air Ambry.

597
00:32:40.920 --> 00:32:43.799
Yeah, obviously I loved her in Jane Eyre.

598
00:32:44.319 --> 00:32:45.359
When I will watch.

599
00:32:45.200 --> 00:32:50.359
It at something, Oh boys, you know, just As much

600
00:32:50.359 --> 00:32:52.079
as I love to talk about Watson and what he

601
00:32:52.119 --> 00:32:54.039
brought to this film, I want to talk about Elizabeth

602
00:32:54.039 --> 00:32:57.519
Hardy as well. I love the fact that the romance

603
00:32:57.640 --> 00:33:00.240
wasn't overwhelming at all in this film. It was just

604
00:33:00.559 --> 00:33:03.880
it was there, but it wasn't in your face at all.

605
00:33:04.759 --> 00:33:06.519
You could just see just little bits of it here

606
00:33:06.559 --> 00:33:09.480
and there when her and Holmes would interact with one another.

607
00:33:10.160 --> 00:33:12.759
And obviously you know when she gets kidnapped and he

608
00:33:12.759 --> 00:33:14.920
goes after her, those kind of things, and obviously we

609
00:33:15.000 --> 00:33:17.759
know what happens to her, and it's the second time

610
00:33:18.480 --> 00:33:22.400
that he cried that, Watson mentions. But I just love

611
00:33:22.519 --> 00:33:24.880
how they balanced that romance so well that it didn't

612
00:33:24.920 --> 00:33:26.440
overwhelm the story at all.

613
00:33:27.200 --> 00:33:30.759
It's almost like they're in on the secret, like their

614
00:33:30.759 --> 00:33:33.599
relationship is guarded. They're not making a big deal about it. Right,

615
00:33:33.720 --> 00:33:38.359
Even the creep Doyle who's making moves at her, you

616
00:33:38.440 --> 00:33:40.400
got to assume that he's maybe he's making moves at

617
00:33:40.400 --> 00:33:45.160
her because they haven't openly showed that they're in a relationship.

618
00:33:45.799 --> 00:33:48.880
Possibly, I don't know. I like how subtle it is.

619
00:33:48.920 --> 00:33:51.519
You're absolutely right, David, I think this might have one

620
00:33:51.559 --> 00:33:57.119
of the most dashing adversaries in an adventure movie like this.

621
00:33:57.799 --> 00:34:02.519
Anthony Higgins as Professor hath Amber. What do you think

622
00:34:02.519 --> 00:34:03.440
about the good professor?

623
00:34:04.240 --> 00:34:09.880
He is charmingly diabolical. I completely agree.

624
00:34:10.920 --> 00:34:14.920
I mean you're probably your probably team uh you know,

625
00:34:15.119 --> 00:34:19.079
Team Wrath until the big reveal at the end, right right,

626
00:34:19.239 --> 00:34:19.880
and then you're.

627
00:34:19.719 --> 00:34:21.599
Like, oh man, it's always the good.

628
00:34:21.480 --> 00:34:27.119
Looking one, Dave Ambers. Why he looks everything, Dave Ambers.

629
00:34:26.840 --> 00:34:28.599
The one that's sitting in the front of his class

630
00:34:28.880 --> 00:34:31.960
like blinking her eyes doing the love you blink like ding.

631
00:34:35.119 --> 00:34:39.920
That's Amber. Lewis speaking of Raiders. This guy was in Raiders.

632
00:34:41.199 --> 00:34:43.679
He must have been in it for like three point

633
00:34:43.679 --> 00:34:46.519
two seconds because I don't so.

634
00:34:46.519 --> 00:34:50.119
You remember, you remember when they're taking the arc check

635
00:34:50.159 --> 00:34:54.079
out what it can do. Amber. He plays Dietrich's second

636
00:34:54.079 --> 00:34:58.239
in command, Gobbler. Mm hmm. He's got it's like a

637
00:34:58.360 --> 00:35:00.559
It's like one scene you see in prominently standing next

638
00:35:00.559 --> 00:35:02.639
to Dietrich and then you won't see him for the

639
00:35:02.639 --> 00:35:04.039
rest of the movie.

640
00:35:04.079 --> 00:35:05.519
Was he German Soldier number fifty?

641
00:35:06.920 --> 00:35:08.599
Well he had, I mean at least he had a name.

642
00:35:08.639 --> 00:35:11.239
He true, he gets the he gets credit with the name.

643
00:35:11.320 --> 00:35:13.800
So he was smart to stand next to the guy

644
00:35:13.840 --> 00:35:14.800
that got the close.

645
00:35:14.599 --> 00:35:19.679
Up, so exactly exactly, you know, I I Wraith was awesome.

646
00:35:20.199 --> 00:35:23.880
I think he was a very dashing villain that that uncovers.

647
00:35:23.880 --> 00:35:26.559
But the one that freaked me out the most was

648
00:35:26.599 --> 00:35:27.239
Missus Dribb.

649
00:35:27.920 --> 00:35:32.599
I mean was okay, hold on, hold on one more, Okay,

650
00:35:32.599 --> 00:35:34.639
what you guys are You guys are just moving right along?

651
00:35:34.679 --> 00:35:35.039
All right?

652
00:35:35.320 --> 00:35:37.920
Well, before we get to missus Dribb, a little fun

653
00:35:37.960 --> 00:35:39.199
fact about Higgins.

654
00:35:40.039 --> 00:35:42.280
Did you guys know he's only he's he's just one

655
00:35:42.320 --> 00:35:42.880
of only.

656
00:35:42.679 --> 00:35:46.760
Two actors that have played both Sherlock Holmes and Professor Moriarty.

657
00:35:47.320 --> 00:35:52.000
No now, so obviously he's playing you know, spoiler alert.

658
00:35:52.719 --> 00:35:57.079
Forty years later, he does end up becoming Moriarty in

659
00:35:57.159 --> 00:36:02.480
this movie, but he also played Sherlock Holmes in Sherlock

660
00:36:02.559 --> 00:36:05.559
Holmes Returns in nineteen ninety three. Amber, we were off

661
00:36:05.639 --> 00:36:07.840
Mike the other day and you said you had a

662
00:36:08.599 --> 00:36:09.519
story about the end credits.

663
00:36:09.519 --> 00:36:10.280
You want you want to share that?

664
00:36:10.840 --> 00:36:17.039
Oh? God? So so. My dad loved Sherlock Holmes, read

665
00:36:17.079 --> 00:36:21.559
the stories over and over, saw the movies, and I

666
00:36:21.840 --> 00:36:24.000
when this movie came out, I had read like, I

667
00:36:24.039 --> 00:36:27.199
don't know, maybe half a dozen stories and had seen

668
00:36:27.280 --> 00:36:29.639
some of the Basil Rathbone movies and that was kind

669
00:36:29.639 --> 00:36:33.000
of it. And so we watched the movie. We go

670
00:36:33.079 --> 00:36:36.079
through the end credits and you're watching this sleigh travel

671
00:36:36.119 --> 00:36:39.320
through the snow and this man is all bundled up

672
00:36:39.360 --> 00:36:41.360
in there and he gets out and he goes into

673
00:36:41.400 --> 00:36:44.760
the inn and the woman says, you know, sign the register.

674
00:36:45.679 --> 00:36:52.599
And in my defense, his handwriting is atrocious. So if

675
00:36:52.639 --> 00:36:57.000
you didn't know already what he was writing, like, there's

676
00:36:57.079 --> 00:37:00.119
really no way you knew what it was. And so

677
00:37:00.440 --> 00:37:04.239
he writes his name and my dad starts laughing and

678
00:37:04.280 --> 00:37:08.960
I'm like I don't get it, and he's like he's Moriarty,

679
00:37:09.559 --> 00:37:13.639
and I was like Phil and my dad just was

680
00:37:13.719 --> 00:37:16.599
like do I yell at her? Do I have a

681
00:37:16.639 --> 00:37:18.519
heart attack? Like what do I do? And then he

682
00:37:18.639 --> 00:37:20.440
just handed me riking buck falls and one's like I

683
00:37:20.440 --> 00:37:24.880
read this. But that was like a running joke in

684
00:37:24.920 --> 00:37:26.679
our family for a long time, like who the hell

685
00:37:26.760 --> 00:37:28.760
is Moriarty? Like what even is that thing?

686
00:37:29.639 --> 00:37:33.400
Your dad would have been equally disappointed in me, because

687
00:37:33.719 --> 00:37:36.079
up until recently I didn't even know there was an

688
00:37:36.159 --> 00:37:38.920
end credit sequence, like a little stinger, what.

689
00:37:39.719 --> 00:37:43.920
It's one of those things where Holmes leaves in a carriage.

690
00:37:44.840 --> 00:37:47.760
You bare your face in some pot in the last

691
00:37:47.760 --> 00:37:50.320
bit of your popcorn, and you look back up the

692
00:37:50.360 --> 00:37:54.880
credits are rolling and you see, you know, carriage moving,

693
00:37:54.960 --> 00:37:56.760
it's driving through the countryside. I was just like, okay,

694
00:37:56.760 --> 00:37:59.000
well he's leaving. He's going to his brother's house.

695
00:37:59.079 --> 00:38:00.280
One to Micross house. Whatever.

696
00:38:01.119 --> 00:38:06.679
Yeah, got up and walk away, evens Jeff I insert

697
00:38:06.719 --> 00:38:09.400
my meme of get out.

698
00:38:10.480 --> 00:38:13.719
But here's the thing, Like in recent years now, it's

699
00:38:13.719 --> 00:38:15.079
like I want to watch all the way to the

700
00:38:15.159 --> 00:38:16.559
end because we were doing this show and it's like

701
00:38:16.760 --> 00:38:18.920
I'm always now I'm looking for like East Eggs, like

702
00:38:19.400 --> 00:38:22.280
someone's name, Like wait, that person was a props master

703
00:38:22.360 --> 00:38:23.679
before they were a director, you know.

704
00:38:24.519 --> 00:38:27.280
So I'm watching, I'm like, wow, we're still doing this.

705
00:38:27.360 --> 00:38:30.119
We haven't faded a black. And then I'm like, oh wait,

706
00:38:30.119 --> 00:38:30.400
we're not.

707
00:38:30.440 --> 00:38:33.719
This is even homes It's it's the Professor. And then

708
00:38:33.719 --> 00:38:37.760
he signs Moriarty. I'm like, holy what forty forty year

709
00:38:37.800 --> 00:38:40.559
old time bomb just blows in my head.

710
00:38:43.639 --> 00:38:47.920
Yeah all right, well, okay, Susan Fleetwood, this is drib

711
00:38:48.760 --> 00:38:51.039
you guys, now you're quiet you guys were like, let's

712
00:38:51.039 --> 00:38:52.599
talk about drib wow.

713
00:38:52.639 --> 00:38:55.360
I mean, she just freaks me out, man, come on, yeah,

714
00:38:55.679 --> 00:38:58.559
she is character and.

715
00:38:58.519 --> 00:39:01.360
It always freaks Liam out because she's Athena and Clash

716
00:39:01.400 --> 00:39:07.960
of the Titans. And he's like, but how could you.

717
00:39:06.400 --> 00:39:08.880
You know, in any character that's a villain that's like

718
00:39:09.039 --> 00:39:10.440
threatening an animal.

719
00:39:12.599 --> 00:39:15.840
Straight too? She doesn't even like she starts out with

720
00:39:15.960 --> 00:39:18.119
let's take it to the pound, which is bad nothing.

721
00:39:18.159 --> 00:39:20.920
Then she's like, oh it's okay, I'll kill it myself.

722
00:39:21.360 --> 00:39:22.880
Like it's like nobody DW.

723
00:39:24.559 --> 00:39:29.880
Zero to sixty and such a bummer. I'm with I'm

724
00:39:29.920 --> 00:39:30.360
with Liam.

725
00:39:30.840 --> 00:39:32.880
You know, she's the goddess Athena from Clash of the

726
00:39:32.920 --> 00:39:37.719
Titans and maybe the most attractive of the of the goddesses.

727
00:39:38.639 --> 00:39:42.599
I mean, I'm sorry, Jean Maggie Smith, go watch the

728
00:39:42.639 --> 00:39:44.320
movie again. What's the matter with you?

729
00:39:44.480 --> 00:39:44.679
Look?

730
00:39:45.320 --> 00:39:49.800
He looks has like one shoulder going like come on.

731
00:39:50.159 --> 00:39:54.360
But you know, I'm just saying like I and we

732
00:39:54.400 --> 00:39:55.840
all have a type.

733
00:39:56.079 --> 00:39:58.440
And Athena was like the girl next door, the you know,

734
00:39:58.480 --> 00:40:01.239
the brunette. I got a shot with her Amber is

735
00:40:01.239 --> 00:40:07.840
what I'm saying. Ok, you know, but yeah, to see

736
00:40:07.880 --> 00:40:13.039
her go from that to scary bald psychopath when that

737
00:40:13.079 --> 00:40:23.079
wig comes. Yeah, no way. The only the only thing

738
00:40:23.119 --> 00:40:25.440
that that seems missing is Bruce Campbell going, hey.

739
00:40:25.360 --> 00:40:33.360
She bitch, get some yes, terrifying no is Yeah. Oh man,

740
00:40:34.360 --> 00:40:36.920
Uh that's who I wanted to talk about. I know

741
00:40:36.960 --> 00:40:39.639
there's a bunch of British guys. I suspect both both

742
00:40:39.639 --> 00:40:41.960
of you have information about you know, anyone you want

743
00:40:42.000 --> 00:40:43.639
to you want to mention before we move on.

744
00:40:44.480 --> 00:40:47.159
Well, the fun thing is that almost every single one

745
00:40:47.159 --> 00:40:51.400
of them has played Holmes or Watson or Moriarty or

746
00:40:51.480 --> 00:40:52.800
Lestratton like something.

747
00:40:53.400 --> 00:41:00.280
Yeah, Dave, was that on the casting sheet? Like probably? Yeah,

748
00:41:00.760 --> 00:41:03.880
bring bring a you know, bring a photo and make

749
00:41:03.920 --> 00:41:06.400
sure you've been at least some kind of production stage

750
00:41:06.519 --> 00:41:08.119
or screen. Yeah.

751
00:41:08.159 --> 00:41:11.599
Everyone Sherlock Holmes and doctor Who.

752
00:41:11.599 --> 00:41:14.039
This while if you need a cast I can do

753
00:41:14.079 --> 00:41:14.719
one or both of them.

754
00:41:14.760 --> 00:41:16.679
This is this is like in America you get to

755
00:41:16.760 --> 00:41:17.559
the Law and Order.

756
00:41:18.559 --> 00:41:20.880
Yeah, bum year book.

757
00:41:24.679 --> 00:41:24.920
Who.

758
00:41:25.079 --> 00:41:28.000
Yeah.

759
00:41:26.639 --> 00:41:31.360
Uh So this movie also known as Young Sherlock Holmes

760
00:41:31.440 --> 00:41:35.599
and the Pyramid of Fear. The retitling was done overseas

761
00:41:35.639 --> 00:41:37.679
and on home video to give the movie a more

762
00:41:37.719 --> 00:41:41.639
adventurous title, akin to Spielberg's Raiders.

763
00:41:41.320 --> 00:41:43.320
Of the Lost Ark and Temple of Doom.

764
00:41:44.000 --> 00:41:45.800
I don't like it.

765
00:41:47.239 --> 00:41:49.960
Okay, So here's where I'm at with it. First off,

766
00:41:50.079 --> 00:41:52.719
this movie screams.

767
00:41:52.159 --> 00:41:55.320
Franchise, and I don't understand why we didn't get it.

768
00:41:56.119 --> 00:42:00.239
I mean I do, but but I don't. I like

769
00:42:00.280 --> 00:42:02.760
the first one is young Sherlock Holmes, and then you

770
00:42:02.840 --> 00:42:07.280
move on to young Sherlock Holmes and the you know,

771
00:42:07.639 --> 00:42:10.079
give it the indie treatment that way, because I will

772
00:42:10.079 --> 00:42:12.079
never say Indiana Jones and the Raiders.

773
00:42:11.840 --> 00:42:13.559
Of the Lost Dark. That's no sacrilege.

774
00:42:13.679 --> 00:42:15.119
It's always Raiders of Law fart, that's it.

775
00:42:15.480 --> 00:42:18.679
Yes, yeah, it's Star Wars. I'm not. I'm just I'm

776
00:42:18.679 --> 00:42:20.159
just not gonna say, hey, yeah, I like I like

777
00:42:20.159 --> 00:42:21.480
a New Hope. I'm gonna say, I know, I like,

778
00:42:21.519 --> 00:42:26.199
I like Star Wars. You know, the retitling posts release.

779
00:42:26.360 --> 00:42:31.320
I'm not. I'm not a fan of Nope. Dave nominated

780
00:42:32.039 --> 00:42:34.119
for Best Visual Effects.

781
00:42:34.039 --> 00:42:37.960
For good reason. What's the reason Because this is the

782
00:42:38.039 --> 00:42:42.599
first THEATCA movie to have used completely CGI for a

783
00:42:42.800 --> 00:42:45.800
character in a film, and is of course the night

784
00:42:45.840 --> 00:42:47.840
when he's coming out of the stained glass window to

785
00:42:47.960 --> 00:42:52.880
attack the priest. Industrial Lyton Magic animated this scene, and

786
00:42:52.960 --> 00:42:57.320
of course the person who oversaw that is John Lassiter,

787
00:42:58.199 --> 00:43:01.360
who we all know has a lot to do with Pixar.

788
00:43:02.039 --> 00:43:05.880
Yeah, this is It's kind of like Pixar's right.

789
00:43:06.000 --> 00:43:08.880
Yeah, absolutely it is, and it's incredible. I mean, it

790
00:43:08.960 --> 00:43:11.519
still looks really good in this film. When I was

791
00:43:11.519 --> 00:43:13.960
watching it yesterday, I'm like, man, this still looks good.

792
00:43:14.880 --> 00:43:18.519
So I've got the the still book, the Blu Ray

793
00:43:18.519 --> 00:43:23.639
Steal book on this That night looks fantastic. Yeah, you

794
00:43:23.679 --> 00:43:25.239
would never know it's nineteen eighty five.

795
00:43:25.960 --> 00:43:27.239
No, you just wouldn't.

796
00:43:27.480 --> 00:43:29.360
Well, and let's give a shout out to the Foley

797
00:43:29.519 --> 00:43:34.000
as well, because like the crunching of his steps and

798
00:43:34.039 --> 00:43:37.039
the way when he clutches the sword, like the way

799
00:43:37.079 --> 00:43:42.360
the glass grinds together. Yeah, all of that is just amazing.

800
00:43:42.079 --> 00:43:47.920
Absolutely good, call amazing. As it is the fifty eighth

801
00:43:48.119 --> 00:43:49.519
Academy Awards.

802
00:43:50.000 --> 00:43:59.400
It loses to What to Cocoon Amber This movie, This movie, this.

803
00:43:59.280 --> 00:44:04.679
Movie has the the Glass Night Cocoon has Wolford Brimley

804
00:44:04.679 --> 00:44:05.400
in a swimming pool.

805
00:44:05.599 --> 00:44:07.920
What the hell is going on? And at the at

806
00:44:07.920 --> 00:44:09.559
the Academy Awards and.

807
00:44:09.599 --> 00:44:12.880
Even all the hallucination stuff that you see throughout this film. Yeah, absolutely,

808
00:44:13.000 --> 00:44:14.320
all incredible.

809
00:44:13.960 --> 00:44:18.159
All like the night is the only effect that was done. Like,

810
00:44:18.199 --> 00:44:23.199
there are amazing effects throughout. Oh, that's I'm gonna say

811
00:44:23.239 --> 00:44:24.639
potty words. That's wrong.

812
00:44:25.719 --> 00:44:27.880
Yeah, we got sponsors. Be careful.

813
00:44:27.880 --> 00:44:30.119
But somebody's paying somebody off, is what that is?

814
00:44:31.000 --> 00:44:38.480
Yeah, that Howard has a lot of friends. Little Kenningham

815
00:44:38.840 --> 00:44:40.000
was making some phone calls.

816
00:44:40.480 --> 00:44:46.440
Wait, hold on, Ron, Howard's film wins this award against Winkler.

817
00:44:47.159 --> 00:44:51.280
Winkler's producing Richie. This is Richie versus Fonsie and Richie

818
00:44:51.320 --> 00:44:53.719
and Richie wins chance.

819
00:44:54.079 --> 00:44:57.199
Opie. Kenningham's been in the game since he was three.

820
00:44:57.079 --> 00:44:59.320
Well, Jeff, we need to bring this up to both

821
00:44:59.320 --> 00:44:59.480
of them.

822
00:44:59.519 --> 00:45:02.760
When we see we're going, yeah, we're going yeah, yeah, Yeah,

823
00:45:03.280 --> 00:45:05.480
it's not we're talking around Howard.

824
00:45:05.559 --> 00:45:10.920
You're burning down the comic. Yeah, let's scratch up a

825
00:45:10.960 --> 00:45:11.719
forty year.

826
00:45:11.599 --> 00:45:17.599
Old Yeah, I'm not. Let's talk. Let's talk fifty eight awards.

827
00:45:17.840 --> 00:45:18.880
How do you really feel?

828
00:45:19.599 --> 00:45:21.360
And do you mind if you record it right?

829
00:45:22.320 --> 00:45:26.960
Can we get a SoundBite? Please? Do you have any

830
00:45:27.239 --> 00:45:30.880
any good stuff from from you that you uncovered? Yeah?

831
00:45:30.920 --> 00:45:34.280
So if if you've noticed there is a theme throughout

832
00:45:34.280 --> 00:45:37.880
this film that you'll notice there's they show shadows like

833
00:45:38.320 --> 00:45:41.280
throughout this entire movie. Okay, yeah, there's like I want

834
00:45:41.280 --> 00:45:42.800
to say, there's like there could be more, but I

835
00:45:42.840 --> 00:45:45.960
counted ten of them where you you purposely see a

836
00:45:46.000 --> 00:45:50.880
shadow on the wall. Okay, okay from somebody. This movie

837
00:45:50.960 --> 00:45:54.880
opens up with one of those shadows of a shower

838
00:45:54.960 --> 00:45:58.079
moving across the ground, which is an homage to the

839
00:45:58.079 --> 00:46:01.079
opening credit sequence of the Battle wrath Own Shore like

840
00:46:01.079 --> 00:46:04.679
Holmes franchise. And that's why they did that.

841
00:46:04.679 --> 00:46:08.199
That makes that makes less sense? Now, all right, did

842
00:46:08.199 --> 00:46:08.960
you catch that? Amber?

843
00:46:09.639 --> 00:46:10.079
I did?

844
00:46:10.440 --> 00:46:13.960
I was like, yep, all right, nice.

845
00:46:14.440 --> 00:46:16.559
I kind of wonder if that's how they got the

846
00:46:16.639 --> 00:46:19.639
Conan Doyle estate, like on Board was they saw what

847
00:46:19.760 --> 00:46:23.920
a love letter it was to the original stories and

848
00:46:24.199 --> 00:46:26.920
all of the adaptations, and they couldn't say no.

849
00:46:27.639 --> 00:46:33.320
Yep, speaking of love letters, this movie was critically acclaimed.

850
00:46:34.199 --> 00:46:37.039
I mean, they ate it up, Cisco Ebert everyone at

851
00:46:37.039 --> 00:46:40.239
the time, they're loving it, but it fails to find

852
00:46:40.239 --> 00:46:41.639
an audience at the box office.

853
00:46:42.480 --> 00:46:45.679
It earns nineteen million on a budget of eighteen million.

854
00:46:46.599 --> 00:46:48.599
What happened? Guys? How do you? How do you account

855
00:46:48.599 --> 00:46:50.159
for this? Film's lack of success.

856
00:46:50.400 --> 00:46:53.119
What was it up against other than like Out of Africa,

857
00:46:53.559 --> 00:46:55.119
which kids are going to see.

858
00:46:55.559 --> 00:46:58.199
Here's the thing you, I'm going to solve the mystery

859
00:46:58.199 --> 00:46:58.360
for you.

860
00:46:58.440 --> 00:46:58.760
Amber.

861
00:46:59.280 --> 00:47:01.960
It opened against spies like Us, But.

862
00:47:01.840 --> 00:47:08.079
More importantly, it's competing with the movie released the previous week, which.

863
00:47:07.920 --> 00:47:08.960
Was Rocky four.

864
00:47:10.400 --> 00:47:14.639
Man Rocky that pulverizes everything in the box office. And

865
00:47:14.679 --> 00:47:16.880
then a week later, as it's trying to catch its breath,

866
00:47:17.519 --> 00:47:21.800
the Jewel of the Nile and Clue both come out.

867
00:47:21.920 --> 00:47:24.360
By the end, yeah, it had it never had a chance.

868
00:47:24.400 --> 00:47:26.239
By the end of the month, Young Shulock Calms is

869
00:47:26.280 --> 00:47:28.480
all but done, and you remember it's Victorian. It takes

870
00:47:28.480 --> 00:47:32.079
place at Christmas. You'd think there's hope for some small reprieve.

871
00:47:32.119 --> 00:47:36.360
But last December twenty fifth saw the release of yet

872
00:47:36.360 --> 00:47:39.000
another big sequel, Howling.

873
00:47:38.679 --> 00:47:40.320
To Your Sister Is a Werewolf?

874
00:47:42.840 --> 00:47:44.800
Yeah no, I just I saw that. I was like, really,

875
00:47:45.119 --> 00:47:48.800
Howling two came out Christmas? See okay, Christmas Day? Okay, sure, no.

876
00:47:49.280 --> 00:47:51.800
It just bad timing, you know it was.

877
00:47:52.519 --> 00:47:57.239
It was just wedged right into some blockbuster sequels. And

878
00:47:57.280 --> 00:48:00.199
then while Spies like Us isn't a is it a sequel. Well,

879
00:48:00.800 --> 00:48:03.400
that's Chevy Chase and dan Aykroyd at the height of the.

880
00:48:04.199 --> 00:48:05.280
Right, at the height of the puppet. Right.

881
00:48:05.480 --> 00:48:06.400
Yeah.

882
00:48:06.559 --> 00:48:09.000
I still don't get how this didn't catch on though

883
00:48:09.079 --> 00:48:12.280
later on. I mean it's a fantastic I mean it

884
00:48:12.320 --> 00:48:14.760
has in a way, don't get me wrong, but it

885
00:48:14.840 --> 00:48:17.239
still kind of gets swept under the rug. People forget

886
00:48:17.239 --> 00:48:19.559
about it. And I don't understand that because you know

887
00:48:19.639 --> 00:48:22.199
all these powerhouses that are involved with this. You got

888
00:48:22.239 --> 00:48:24.719
Frank Marshall, you got Kathleen Kennedy, you got Steven Spielberg,

889
00:48:24.719 --> 00:48:27.400
you got Christopher Columbus, you have all of these people,

890
00:48:27.559 --> 00:48:31.039
and it is a really good story. It's got phenomenal

891
00:48:31.119 --> 00:48:36.119
to cinematography, it's got phenomenal performances by its actors. It's

892
00:48:36.159 --> 00:48:40.119
got everything going for it, the score, everything hits so well.

893
00:48:40.920 --> 00:48:43.639
And it aggravates me to no end that this did

894
00:48:43.679 --> 00:48:44.760
not take off like it should have.

895
00:48:45.239 --> 00:48:48.079
I've never seen any any clips or heard any any

896
00:48:48.119 --> 00:48:50.920
clips from Spielberg about how he feels about this movie,

897
00:48:51.480 --> 00:48:55.159
because you know, he's famous Dave famously he will either

898
00:48:55.519 --> 00:48:57.960
turn on a movie like he did with Temple of Doom,

899
00:48:58.039 --> 00:49:00.639
or he'll embrace a movie if he knows it's truly good.

900
00:49:01.079 --> 00:49:02.800
I have to believe that he's he's a fan of

901
00:49:02.800 --> 00:49:05.239
this film, and he's you know, he'll champion it. But

902
00:49:05.239 --> 00:49:07.039
I've never heard him talk about this one never.

903
00:49:07.920 --> 00:49:10.400
I think it's too busy, you know, talking about guineas

904
00:49:10.519 --> 00:49:15.400
and Gremlins and you know, all this other stuff, and

905
00:49:15.679 --> 00:49:19.320
it doesn't really have like a platform where it can land,

906
00:49:19.400 --> 00:49:21.239
Like it's not going to be on Disney Plus or

907
00:49:21.280 --> 00:49:21.960
something like that.

908
00:49:23.639 --> 00:49:27.079
I think this is just a situation where if you

909
00:49:27.119 --> 00:49:29.760
would have put this out maybe in September or October,

910
00:49:30.760 --> 00:49:34.760
away from some of the blockbusters, maybe maybe it gets popular,

911
00:49:34.960 --> 00:49:36.000
Maybe it gets a life.

912
00:49:36.840 --> 00:49:40.039
You you knock out two.

913
00:49:39.400 --> 00:49:43.199
Maybe three sequels with with this young cast, you know,

914
00:49:44.079 --> 00:49:47.000
and I think in an in another reality, they're all

915
00:49:47.079 --> 00:49:48.280
huge stars because of it.

916
00:49:49.880 --> 00:49:52.039
You know, it's funny we hear a film buy. We

917
00:49:52.079 --> 00:49:55.000
always talk, we always want to talk about movies that

918
00:49:55.079 --> 00:50:01.039
are underrated. This movie is the very definition underrated.

919
00:50:02.079 --> 00:50:04.960
I had that in a note later, Dave, but I

920
00:50:04.960 --> 00:50:07.119
think it's like you're reading my notes.

921
00:50:07.159 --> 00:50:08.400
I can we agree.

922
00:50:08.519 --> 00:50:12.559
I think this is the most underrated film we've probably

923
00:50:12.559 --> 00:50:13.280
ever discussed.

924
00:50:13.639 --> 00:50:16.639
I would agree with that has to be yeah.

925
00:50:16.960 --> 00:50:20.960
Let's talk about some noteworthy scenes, maybe a pivotal moment.

926
00:50:21.800 --> 00:50:26.400
So I want to jump right into to a major

927
00:50:26.440 --> 00:50:31.119
one we talked earlier about, Uh, we talked about one franchise,

928
00:50:32.039 --> 00:50:36.480
Harry Potter, maybe barring a lot from this movie. I

929
00:50:36.480 --> 00:50:39.440
want to talk about a scene that is almost shot

930
00:50:39.480 --> 00:50:42.199
for shot right out of Indiana Jones and the Temple

931
00:50:42.239 --> 00:50:46.679
of Doom, which is discovering the romy tep m hm.

932
00:50:48.000 --> 00:50:49.320
Did you have to see it?

933
00:50:49.599 --> 00:50:49.760
Oh?

934
00:50:49.800 --> 00:50:50.559
Yeah, I mean, you know, I.

935
00:50:52.920 --> 00:50:56.039
Hate Temple of Doom, so I'm not I'm gonna stay

936
00:50:56.119 --> 00:50:57.320
they stole from this movie.

937
00:50:57.440 --> 00:51:02.199
But well so all right, this came after Temple of

938
00:51:02.199 --> 00:51:06.639
Doom and it's it's such a shot for shot, you know,

939
00:51:06.760 --> 00:51:09.000
remake of that scene.

940
00:51:09.199 --> 00:51:12.800
I had some fun. I'd recently watched Temple of Doom.

941
00:51:12.920 --> 00:51:16.440
The show You Can't Be Serious podcasts had recently done

942
00:51:17.039 --> 00:51:19.519
The Goonies Versus Temple of Doom, which is was an

943
00:51:19.559 --> 00:51:23.840
awesome two parter go check those check them out if

944
00:51:23.840 --> 00:51:25.400
you if if you haven't done so already.

945
00:51:25.880 --> 00:51:26.840
But I had to.

946
00:51:26.880 --> 00:51:30.119
I had to have some fun with Jason Jason Colvin

947
00:51:30.159 --> 00:51:32.159
from you know him and d Graves they do they

948
00:51:32.159 --> 00:51:34.079
do the show so I called Jason.

949
00:51:34.119 --> 00:51:37.599
I said, hey, man, we're we're doing a a movie.

950
00:51:37.760 --> 00:51:40.039
I know you're gonna love because it's from the mid

951
00:51:40.079 --> 00:51:41.920
eighties and he's a big eighties fan.

952
00:51:42.000 --> 00:51:43.280
He's like, what what do you got? I said, I'm

953
00:51:43.280 --> 00:51:44.960
gonna give you some hints.

954
00:51:45.480 --> 00:51:51.880
I was like, you got an iconic hero, his younger sidekick,

955
00:51:52.760 --> 00:51:58.079
and a fair, fair skin blonde who are caught up

956
00:51:58.119 --> 00:52:01.000
in an adventure and they make their way through this

957
00:52:01.119 --> 00:52:04.679
cavern and then they find themselves looking down on a

958
00:52:04.719 --> 00:52:09.400
bunch of religious psychos that are chanting and about to

959
00:52:09.480 --> 00:52:12.480
sacrifice a live person.

960
00:52:13.199 --> 00:52:15.159
And he's like, I say, hold on, let me give

961
00:52:15.159 --> 00:52:16.400
you one more hint.

962
00:52:16.800 --> 00:52:20.760
It's produced by Kathleen Kennedy and Frank Marshall. And he's like, well,

963
00:52:21.880 --> 00:52:25.000
you're doing Temple of Doom. I said, of course not.

964
00:52:25.559 --> 00:52:28.199
He's like, yes you are. I said no, we're not, dude.

965
00:52:28.599 --> 00:52:29.920
I said, wait till you find out.

966
00:52:31.480 --> 00:52:35.119
But that scene, you know, David my Riot, is it

967
00:52:35.159 --> 00:52:36.239
almost a shot for shot?

968
00:52:36.559 --> 00:52:38.599
Yeah, you're not wrong. I mean we talked about this

969
00:52:38.639 --> 00:52:41.840
a while back and how it is almost dead on

970
00:52:42.000 --> 00:52:44.639
Temple of Doom right there, and how.

971
00:52:44.599 --> 00:52:48.400
About how about all these all the devotees when it's

972
00:52:48.400 --> 00:52:50.119
time for them to fight, what do they have? They

973
00:52:50.159 --> 00:52:55.119
have swords, just like the thuggee. So yeah, and you

974
00:52:55.119 --> 00:52:59.800
can't even mad at young Sholock Kolmzo because it's Spielberg.

975
00:53:00.159 --> 00:53:00.559
Mm hmm.

976
00:53:01.199 --> 00:53:04.320
So Spielberg's just barring from Spielberg. You know. It's almost

977
00:53:04.320 --> 00:53:05.280
like they're like, hey, what do we do?

978
00:53:05.320 --> 00:53:08.760
And He's like, hey, guys, got a great idea, worked,

979
00:53:08.800 --> 00:53:09.960
it worked really well last year.

980
00:53:10.039 --> 00:53:12.039
Let's just let's just do it.

981
00:53:12.599 --> 00:53:15.119
They probably had the sets still still up.

982
00:53:15.719 --> 00:53:18.719
We'll just change out some of the the Indian stuff

983
00:53:18.760 --> 00:53:21.199
and we'll throw on some Egyptian ship and it'll it'll

984
00:53:21.239 --> 00:53:21.559
look good.

985
00:53:22.199 --> 00:53:24.239
I mean, well, I'll take your.

986
00:53:24.119 --> 00:53:26.320
Word for it, because I haven't seen Temple of Doom

987
00:53:26.400 --> 00:53:28.760
as many times as I'm sure you have. But I

988
00:53:28.800 --> 00:53:31.000
will say this, this is my favorite scene in the

989
00:53:31.039 --> 00:53:35.239
whole movie. I love like the slow build of it.

990
00:53:35.280 --> 00:53:39.239
I love Sherlock sneaking through the acolytes and he steals

991
00:53:39.280 --> 00:53:45.000
that guy's like the box thing off. Yeah, like just

992
00:53:45.000 --> 00:53:48.800
totally picks his pocket. And then like the reveal, like

993
00:53:48.840 --> 00:53:54.039
you're watching them wrap this girl in linen and she's vacant,

994
00:53:54.199 --> 00:54:01.119
glassy eyed, so you assume she's dead. They the paraffine

995
00:54:01.159 --> 00:54:04.920
on her, and the reveal that she's alive is just horrific.

996
00:54:05.639 --> 00:54:08.440
Oh yeah, it's it becomes it's full on nightmare, I

997
00:54:08.519 --> 00:54:12.000
feel at that point, because it's these people weren't scary

998
00:54:12.079 --> 00:54:13.920
enough and the chant, the rommy tch chant.

999
00:54:13.960 --> 00:54:15.440
I should just go back to the chanting again. I

1000
00:54:15.440 --> 00:54:17.639
mean tell you that puts you on edge. That chanting

1001
00:54:17.960 --> 00:54:22.000
disturbs you so much, and in what is going on

1002
00:54:22.039 --> 00:54:24.559
in front of you too just is disturbing. But that chant,

1003
00:54:25.119 --> 00:54:26.039
oh my god, I.

1004
00:54:25.960 --> 00:54:28.360
Mean, it just raises the stakes so much. And then

1005
00:54:28.400 --> 00:54:31.440
at the end when they you know, do the key

1006
00:54:31.559 --> 00:54:35.360
change and now it's Elizabeth, it's one, you know, the

1007
00:54:35.440 --> 00:54:37.760
chopping block like you're.

1008
00:54:37.599 --> 00:54:41.280
So stressed out or Dave, imagine a playlist that's that's

1009
00:54:41.320 --> 00:54:43.320
the rommy tep chant with a thuggy chant.

1010
00:54:43.880 --> 00:54:46.920
Tail anxiety going on.

1011
00:54:50.559 --> 00:54:50.840
Amber.

1012
00:54:50.960 --> 00:54:53.320
You really you really don't remember that scene from Temple

1013
00:54:53.320 --> 00:54:55.360
of Doom or you and you really don't like Temple Doom.

1014
00:54:55.920 --> 00:54:59.480
Well I can't stand Temple of Doom, but I mean

1015
00:54:59.519 --> 00:55:02.400
I remember remember kind of what you're talking about, because

1016
00:55:02.400 --> 00:55:04.440
that's the part where they ripped the guy's heart out

1017
00:55:04.440 --> 00:55:10.519
of his chest. It's disgusting, but I don't remember it

1018
00:55:10.840 --> 00:55:14.360
enough to say with the confidence that you're exuding that

1019
00:55:14.440 --> 00:55:15.400
it's a shot for shot.

1020
00:55:15.920 --> 00:55:19.639
It makes me sad that you don't like Temple a Doom.

1021
00:55:19.639 --> 00:55:21.519
It's not a good movie. I'm not sad about it.

1022
00:55:21.599 --> 00:55:27.239
Yeah, well, do you know what to that, I say, I'll.

1023
00:55:27.079 --> 00:55:29.360
Be watching the Guineas and enjoying myself.

1024
00:55:29.559 --> 00:55:34.199
The Goomies are good enough. Another scene Amber alluded to

1025
00:55:34.239 --> 00:55:36.480
this earlier. I just love it.

1026
00:55:36.119 --> 00:55:39.119
It's it's the ending with Holmes's profile and the carriage.

1027
00:55:39.679 --> 00:55:42.440
We get the explanation of the deer stalker cap, the pipe,

1028
00:55:42.519 --> 00:55:47.000
the coat. It's just a fantastic explanation of the character's

1029
00:55:47.000 --> 00:55:47.519
famous look.

1030
00:55:49.559 --> 00:55:51.840
There's there's so many other scenes too in this film

1031
00:55:51.840 --> 00:55:56.679
that I really appreciate and I love so much. One

1032
00:55:56.679 --> 00:55:58.800
of them is when Elizabeth is in the window and

1033
00:55:58.840 --> 00:56:01.639
she does the I Love you and writes it backwards

1034
00:56:01.719 --> 00:56:04.400
to him, and then towards the end of the film,

1035
00:56:04.639 --> 00:56:08.559
after she's gone, he looks up to that window and

1036
00:56:08.760 --> 00:56:12.079
just it's just it's it's it's heartbreaking, is what it is,

1037
00:56:12.840 --> 00:56:14.119
and you know it could be and he has to

1038
00:56:14.119 --> 00:56:17.360
stand there and just basically, you know, take it because

1039
00:56:17.360 --> 00:56:19.880
he knows he lost the one love that he had.

1040
00:56:20.519 --> 00:56:23.559
And you know which in this you know universe of

1041
00:56:23.639 --> 00:56:26.800
Charlock Holmes defines him. It's just as Christopher Columbus said

1042
00:56:27.159 --> 00:56:30.800
in that quote that you gave. But that scene is

1043
00:56:30.840 --> 00:56:33.360
just so heartbreaking, and I love it so much. I

1044
00:56:33.400 --> 00:56:36.519
love the fact that one of the main characters was

1045
00:56:36.559 --> 00:56:40.360
not safe. I love it when movies take that to

1046
00:56:40.440 --> 00:56:42.960
an extreme and they you know, and they use it.

1047
00:56:43.360 --> 00:56:45.000
I don't like it when you know this character is

1048
00:56:45.159 --> 00:56:47.679
nothing's gonna happen to him. Come on, now, we know

1049
00:56:47.800 --> 00:56:50.679
bad things happen, and it needs to happen sometimes. And

1050
00:56:50.719 --> 00:56:53.679
I'm glad Christopher Columbus and and Levinson and all of

1051
00:56:53.760 --> 00:56:55.840
them took it to that level, in that extreme here,

1052
00:56:55.920 --> 00:56:59.559
because again it made Charlote Holmes who he is.

1053
00:57:00.079 --> 00:57:04.559
Well, this movie is shocking in the regard that evil

1054
00:57:04.599 --> 00:57:07.559
has to be punished, and it is. And you know

1055
00:57:07.679 --> 00:57:10.760
that that Sherlock and Watson are gonna be fine because

1056
00:57:10.840 --> 00:57:14.639
this is like their their origin story. And you just

1057
00:57:14.840 --> 00:57:19.239
you blindly assume, you know you you you you naively

1058
00:57:20.519 --> 00:57:22.840
assume that that Elizabeth is gonna be just fine too.

1059
00:57:23.039 --> 00:57:27.440
Why wouldn't she be exactly that I have to.

1060
00:57:27.360 --> 00:57:31.239
Believe that was hard for I mean I remember thinking like, oh,

1061
00:57:31.320 --> 00:57:34.440
she'll be okay, Holmes will save her. Yeah, but then

1062
00:57:34.480 --> 00:57:37.400
she he doesn't. It's you You.

1063
00:57:37.280 --> 00:57:39.599
See a side of homes that you never see. You

1064
00:57:39.639 --> 00:57:42.840
see that human side where he has emotions. I mean, honestly,

1065
00:57:42.880 --> 00:57:45.400
Holmes is almost like data he does from Star Trek.

1066
00:57:45.440 --> 00:57:48.840
He doesn't have those emotions there, or he hides them

1067
00:57:49.000 --> 00:57:51.039
so no one can see them because it would make

1068
00:57:51.119 --> 00:57:54.280
him look weak. And another thing that love is the

1069
00:57:54.320 --> 00:57:57.960
first time he cried because he loved Rupert. He really

1070
00:57:58.000 --> 00:58:02.519
did he appear, Yeah, he respected him even and I

1071
00:58:02.559 --> 00:58:06.800
love his laboratory by the way, freaking Rupert's laboratory. But

1072
00:58:06.960 --> 00:58:10.360
when when he gets killed or he kills himself because

1073
00:58:10.400 --> 00:58:13.119
of the hallucinations. But and he he goes to the

1074
00:58:13.119 --> 00:58:15.400
funeral and really, you know, he can't be there because

1075
00:58:15.440 --> 00:58:17.280
he could get in trouble, so he's in the background,

1076
00:58:17.320 --> 00:58:19.000
stuff like that, and he's crying for the first I mean,

1077
00:58:19.000 --> 00:58:23.920
you hear that narration from Watson again, so heartbreaking, But

1078
00:58:24.000 --> 00:58:26.239
it just shows you homes in a different light that

1079
00:58:26.280 --> 00:58:28.400
you don't normally see. And I thought, I another reason

1080
00:58:28.440 --> 00:58:30.039
why I love this film so much.

1081
00:58:30.320 --> 00:58:32.440
Amber Harsh, I get it.

1082
00:58:32.599 --> 00:58:34.679
They've expelled him from school, but he's not even allowed

1083
00:58:34.719 --> 00:58:36.280
to attend the funeral, right.

1084
00:58:36.920 --> 00:58:38.880
I mean, I mean.

1085
00:58:41.480 --> 00:58:42.639
They don't miss a round at all.

1086
00:58:43.679 --> 00:58:45.920
But you know that, like David was saying though, that

1087
00:58:46.119 --> 00:58:50.760
just Holmes in Future Stories has such a dark side

1088
00:58:51.360 --> 00:58:55.840
and you know, substance abuse problems that you know, and

1089
00:58:55.880 --> 00:58:59.280
he has suffered trauma and you know all of that

1090
00:58:59.320 --> 00:59:02.480
weighs on you in different ways, and so you know,

1091
00:59:02.559 --> 00:59:06.599
this is just another layer into building you know who

1092
00:59:06.639 --> 00:59:07.960
he eventually becomes.

1093
00:59:08.199 --> 00:59:11.679
Yep, guys, let's uh, let's take one last break and

1094
00:59:11.840 --> 00:59:17.320
when we come back, we'll start wrapping things up. Okay,

1095
00:59:17.360 --> 00:59:24.639
Amber the Voice of Reason. Someone someone watches Young Shlock Holmes.

1096
00:59:24.679 --> 00:59:28.159
They absolutely love it, because they should, but they are

1097
00:59:28.199 --> 00:59:33.039
completely unfamiliar with Barry Levinson. I'd like to know what

1098
00:59:33.199 --> 00:59:35.599
three films would you suggest they watch?

1099
00:59:36.559 --> 00:59:39.239
Well, this is kind of interesting because I haven't really

1100
00:59:39.280 --> 00:59:43.800
seen anything he's done, like since the nineties, quite a

1101
00:59:43.840 --> 00:59:46.719
few things since then, but I just haven't. I don't know,

1102
00:59:46.760 --> 00:59:50.440
I just missed it. So mine are all older selections.

1103
00:59:50.880 --> 00:59:52.239
Give me the first one, since.

1104
00:59:52.079 --> 00:59:58.400
I can't do homicide b The first one is The Natural,

1105
00:59:58.840 --> 01:00:04.039
which is my absolute favorite of his movies. I mean,

1106
01:00:04.199 --> 01:00:07.440
it's baseball, it's Robert Redford, Like, my god, what more

1107
01:00:07.480 --> 01:00:07.920
do you need?

1108
01:00:08.480 --> 01:00:12.800
It's Wilford Brimley, not in a swimming pool and cocoon, Dave,

1109
01:00:13.119 --> 01:00:16.199
let's let's uh, let's go round Robin here, David, Does

1110
01:00:16.199 --> 01:00:17.159
The Natural make your list?

1111
01:00:17.639 --> 01:00:21.599
Absolutely?

1112
01:00:22.840 --> 01:00:26.800
You know, it's it's amazing. And I don't know how

1113
01:00:26.800 --> 01:00:29.440
hot this take is, but I'll say this. I'm not

1114
01:00:29.440 --> 01:00:31.679
gonna say it's the best baseball movie.

1115
01:00:31.840 --> 01:00:32.199
It's not.

1116
01:00:32.679 --> 01:00:36.320
It's not. Hey, I don't know. Let me let me,

1117
01:00:36.400 --> 01:00:39.159
let me, let me, let me finish here. It's not

1118
01:00:39.239 --> 01:00:44.800
the best baseball movie, but it has the most famous

1119
01:00:44.960 --> 01:00:48.800
baseball scene in any movie ever. I agree with you

1120
01:00:48.880 --> 01:00:51.679
on that because when he hits that ball into the lights,

1121
01:00:51.840 --> 01:00:55.920
the music, it's amazing, Dave. When we were playing Little League,

1122
01:00:55.920 --> 01:00:57.039
how many how often did.

1123
01:00:56.880 --> 01:00:58.559
You like, when you know, rarely, when you had that

1124
01:00:58.639 --> 01:01:01.000
night game, how often did you want to hit it

1125
01:01:01.039 --> 01:01:03.119
into the light and watch that light explode?

1126
01:01:03.559 --> 01:01:04.400
Every single time?

1127
01:01:04.800 --> 01:01:06.039
Every single time? Right?

1128
01:01:06.280 --> 01:01:10.960
Yeah, it's it's a fantastic movie, and it's one. It's

1129
01:01:11.679 --> 01:01:15.639
it's probably it's definitely a top five Baseball film for sure.

1130
01:01:16.159 --> 01:01:17.800
I mean we know their own is the best.

1131
01:01:18.719 --> 01:01:22.800
Uh, we did not know that. Hey, look there's no

1132
01:01:26.199 --> 01:01:32.559
a this is for this spins out of control Amber.

1133
01:01:33.280 --> 01:01:37.119
What is your second suggestion for a Barry Levinson film?

1134
01:01:37.440 --> 01:01:37.760
Rainman?

1135
01:01:38.719 --> 01:01:40.760
What a what a coincidence? Nineteen eighty eighth?

1136
01:01:40.840 --> 01:01:43.239
Rain Man happens to be my second choice as well,

1137
01:01:43.320 --> 01:01:45.000
Dave does? Does Rainman make your list?

1138
01:01:45.280 --> 01:01:45.480
Ding?

1139
01:01:45.519 --> 01:01:45.960
Ding ding?

1140
01:01:46.079 --> 01:01:49.440
Yes? It does? Wow? Check this out? Are we a

1141
01:01:49.440 --> 01:01:52.880
little biased because they shot a portion of it in Cincinnataha? No,

1142
01:01:54.239 --> 01:01:55.119
it's an amazing film.

1143
01:01:55.320 --> 01:02:00.639
Yeah, it's I think it's the best performance Tom ever gave.

1144
01:02:01.039 --> 01:02:03.159
I would agree with that. Him and desthin hoffin we're

1145
01:02:03.199 --> 01:02:04.960
just brilliant, Yes, brilliant.

1146
01:02:05.440 --> 01:02:05.840
You're waiting.

1147
01:02:06.119 --> 01:02:08.000
You're both said, you're both going on record saying this

1148
01:02:08.039 --> 01:02:10.039
is the best Tom Cruise role.

1149
01:02:10.280 --> 01:02:10.920
Yeah.

1150
01:02:11.000 --> 01:02:13.599
Yeah, he's not playing Tom Cruise exactly.

1151
01:02:13.679 --> 01:02:18.079
He's not. Well, all kinds of fighting going on here.

1152
01:02:18.119 --> 01:02:19.239
Let's let's move on.

1153
01:02:20.840 --> 01:02:21.599
Maybe we move on.

1154
01:02:22.920 --> 01:02:27.920
Are not afraid of you say safety in numbers happening

1155
01:02:28.000 --> 01:02:28.760
on this episode?

1156
01:02:29.639 --> 01:02:31.679
All right, let's put a pin in Tom Cruise for now.

1157
01:02:31.679 --> 01:02:33.360
We'll have that conversation another.

1158
01:02:33.079 --> 01:02:39.719
Time, because uh, I didn't expect that, Miss lewis your

1159
01:02:39.840 --> 01:02:45.119
third choice? Uh, for someone to watch Barry Levinson film.

1160
01:02:45.559 --> 01:02:47.239
Here's where I think we're gonna we're all gonna differ.

1161
01:02:47.639 --> 01:02:48.840
What Morning Vietnam?

1162
01:02:49.760 --> 01:02:53.119
All right? Good morning Vietnam? Problem Williams? Dave, you're nodding

1163
01:02:53.480 --> 01:02:56.079
in agreement, as is this your third pick?

1164
01:02:56.400 --> 01:02:59.920
Good Morning Vietnam? That's right, thank you.

1165
01:03:00.039 --> 01:03:01.519
I wanted to do it, but I have a cold

1166
01:03:01.599 --> 01:03:02.400
n start coffee.

1167
01:03:05.599 --> 01:03:09.519
An amazing film, it really is it. It's Robin Williams,

1168
01:03:09.519 --> 01:03:12.199
so you know you're gonna just laugh your butt off.

1169
01:03:12.440 --> 01:03:15.159
But then there's there's some heartbreaking moments in the movie.

1170
01:03:15.440 --> 01:03:18.679
Yes, you know, I mean there has to be. It's

1171
01:03:18.679 --> 01:03:19.840
a it's a movie about Vietnam.

1172
01:03:19.920 --> 01:03:22.559
I mean, it's not gonna be all slapsticky and funny

1173
01:03:23.320 --> 01:03:23.920
the whole time.

1174
01:03:23.960 --> 01:03:29.119
But yeah, an amazing film. That was not my third choice.

1175
01:03:29.639 --> 01:03:30.199
What is yours?

1176
01:03:30.280 --> 01:03:35.360
Jeff, I'm curious, I'm going Uh, we didn't talk about this.

1177
01:03:35.400 --> 01:03:37.440
We did it. We did a limited series for nineteen

1178
01:03:37.519 --> 01:03:39.719
ninety six. This one.

1179
01:03:39.840 --> 01:03:42.239
I wanted to get in there and was like, you

1180
01:03:42.280 --> 01:03:44.280
know what, It'll never happen the way I wanted to,

1181
01:03:44.679 --> 01:03:47.480
and I'll save it and we'll do a film by

1182
01:03:47.480 --> 01:03:48.079
Barry Levinson.

1183
01:03:48.119 --> 01:03:51.119
We'll do this one and then we're here doing.

1184
01:03:51.000 --> 01:03:53.079
Young Shlock Home. So I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna

1185
01:03:53.159 --> 01:03:55.400
slide into the back pocket. We'll do it next time

1186
01:03:55.400 --> 01:03:57.679
we do Levinson. I'm talking about Sleepers.

1187
01:04:00.079 --> 01:04:00.480
Thank you?

1188
01:04:00.480 --> 01:04:01.400
Wait, what do you mean?

1189
01:04:01.480 --> 01:04:01.840
Hold on?

1190
01:04:01.880 --> 01:04:04.119
Okay? Amber, you just hold on, David, you yuck.

1191
01:04:04.199 --> 01:04:06.440
Also, I mean, I'm not a big fan of that movie.

1192
01:04:07.039 --> 01:04:08.679
You're not a fan of Dustin Hoffman and Robert de

1193
01:04:08.760 --> 01:04:12.519
Niro and Jason Patrick, and I mean, just amazing performances,

1194
01:04:12.519 --> 01:04:15.159
and you know, basely it's it is the Count of

1195
01:04:15.159 --> 01:04:16.039
Monte Cristo.

1196
01:04:16.079 --> 01:04:19.760
Children being raped and beaten and attention center like.

1197
01:04:20.199 --> 01:04:24.400
Amber, I say, that's it's a powerful movie. It's about redemption,

1198
01:04:24.480 --> 01:04:25.320
it's about revenge.

1199
01:04:25.360 --> 01:04:27.920
And it's Nope, you mean nope, nope.

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You're gonna apparently this is against Jeff Show.

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I'll watch how about that?

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All right? I didn't expect you guys to I knew

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01:04:40.119 --> 01:04:43.000
you guys were gonna go Good Morning Vietnam. Didn't I

1204
01:04:43.039 --> 01:04:45.639
expect the backlash against Sleepers.

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01:04:45.679 --> 01:04:47.360
I mean, when you're wrong, you're wrong.

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01:04:47.800 --> 01:04:52.840
No, this is this is one of my favorite Dustin

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Hoffman roles too, where he's just a oh dufis that's

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trying to you know, he's like a little bit of

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an alcoholic and you can't get his you know, DeNiro

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is the priest over all these other films.

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Really this right, I like what I like. I won't apologize.

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All right, Look, we all let's agree that we all

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love Young Sherlock Holmes. Yes, heck yeah, Amber final thoughts

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on Young Sherlock Holmes.

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I mean, what haven't we said. It's just an absolutely

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delightful movie that I think, you know, maybe we were

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lucky enough to watch because our family was fans of

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01:05:30.760 --> 01:05:33.599
Sherlock Holmes and was like, oh, let's watch this, you know,

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01:05:34.360 --> 01:05:39.280
fun take because we watched them all. But I think

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it's very accessible and it holds up over time. So

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I'm all for pitching this to the new generation.

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Absolutely, how about it, David?

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I love and adore this film. The score, the cinematography, script,

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01:05:55.920 --> 01:05:59.320
speci efects. I've mentioned it all. It is baffled me

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01:06:00.079 --> 01:06:03.719
why it didn't become a huge hit. But yes, we

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01:06:03.800 --> 01:06:05.880
need the younger generation to see this film because it

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deserves to be seen by everybody.

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Guys, is it fair to say that it's It lives

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in the neighborhood the same neighborhood as a Princess Bride.

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Where you want romance, you got it. You want action, adventure,

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01:06:20.760 --> 01:06:22.440
you got it. You want thrills, you got it. You

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01:06:22.440 --> 01:06:24.800
want some scary moments, you got it. You want some

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01:06:24.920 --> 01:06:26.920
a little bit of laughter, some funny stuff.

1234
01:06:26.679 --> 01:06:28.360
You got it.

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It kind of appeals to all the genres the way

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Princess Bride does in a.

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01:06:31.960 --> 01:06:39.800
Way right, sword fights, chases, escapes, miracles.

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Absolutely.

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You can check this out on Pluto TV where it's

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streaming free with ads, or you can order the still book.

1241
01:06:51.440 --> 01:06:55.079
It's out there. Go buy yourself copy of that. Listeners.

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What do you think of young Sherlock Holmes? Have you

1243
01:06:58.079 --> 01:07:00.639
seen this one? Where do you rank it among the

1244
01:07:00.760 --> 01:07:03.760
many other Sherlock Holmes films. You can let us know

1245
01:07:03.800 --> 01:07:04.440
on social media.

1246
01:07:04.480 --> 01:07:07.639
You'll find us on Facebook, Instagram, and x You can

1247
01:07:07.760 --> 01:07:10.320
check out a Film Buy podcast for all of our

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01:07:10.440 --> 01:07:13.480
film and TV articles and the entire.

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01:07:13.880 --> 01:07:15.199
Library streaming free.

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01:07:15.599 --> 01:07:17.440
You can write to us at a Film by Podcast

1251
01:07:17.440 --> 01:07:20.199
at gmail dot com with your questions, comments and concerns.

1252
01:07:20.679 --> 01:07:22.960
We may just read your response on the show and.

1253
01:07:22.880 --> 01:07:24.400
Send you some a film by Swag.

1254
01:07:25.119 --> 01:07:27.920
You know, I believe this is the first episode that

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01:07:28.079 --> 01:07:29.599
three of us have worked on together.

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Am I right?

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Or a film buying? I believe it is. Yes.

1258
01:07:33.159 --> 01:07:34.719
I don't think the three of us have ever been

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on the same episode for anything.

1260
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I've had a blast.

1261
01:07:38.599 --> 01:07:40.880
Yeah, I have some fun Yeah, yeah, movie to.

1262
01:07:40.880 --> 01:07:43.800
Do with Yeah. I think we should do it again.

1263
01:07:44.480 --> 01:07:48.000
How about how about we do a Spielberg episode so

1264
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long as we all agree we're doing we're doing dual?

1265
01:07:51.000 --> 01:07:51.719
Would you guys come.

1266
01:07:51.679 --> 01:07:52.079
On for that.

1267
01:07:52.719 --> 01:07:54.400
I'm on board with that, yes, all right?

1268
01:07:54.480 --> 01:07:54.760
All right?

1269
01:07:54.840 --> 01:07:58.840
Cool? Well, on that note, I will.

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End with an apology to all of you out there

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01:08:01.599 --> 01:08:06.000
because next week's episode will be available one day late,

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01:08:07.400 --> 01:08:10.360
as we plan to release it on Tuesday. Does that

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mean it has anything to do with April Fool's Day?

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Perhaps? Does it mean we have something special for you?

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01:08:17.640 --> 01:08:20.439
Most definitely so to.

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All of you listening to the show, following us on

1277
01:08:22.239 --> 01:08:49.960
social media, and subscribing to our Patreon, we thank you.

1278
01:08:54.039 --> 01:08:55.039
It comes from Wayne.

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01:08:55.520 --> 01:08:57.720
Wayne is making his way in the.

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01:08:57.800 --> 01:09:04.840
Door today hooks Today.

1281
01:09:06.479 --> 01:09:14.359
Uh, why is it that certain lines from movies that

1282
01:09:14.520 --> 01:09:17.039
really aren't that that funny? But they're hilarious when you

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01:09:17.079 --> 01:09:22.640
repeat them. I laughed like an idiot. A couple of

1284
01:09:22.680 --> 01:09:26.039
days ago. I was watching The Goonies mm hmm, and

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01:09:26.119 --> 01:09:30.479
that line were at the beginning when uh, when when

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their mom comes home and she's like, what is that?

1287
01:09:33.199 --> 01:09:35.279
And Chunk just goes, oh, ship, what.

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01:09:38.319 --> 01:09:38.560
I mean?

1289
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It's not even the funniest that's that He's supposed to

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01:09:40.520 --> 01:09:43.399
be the funny part of the movie. But yeah, hey,

1291
01:09:43.560 --> 01:09:46.399
Wayne's here.

1292
01:09:44.560 --> 01:09:48.159
Why the picture wouldn't come up?

1293
01:09:48.199 --> 01:09:48.319
There?

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01:09:48.399 --> 01:09:48.600
We go?

1295
01:09:50.119 --> 01:09:52.520
Wayne? Any uh.

1296
01:09:53.960 --> 01:09:58.119
Any any suggestions on what you want playing under you?

1297
01:09:58.560 --> 01:10:01.520
Like, what's the you think the one?

1298
01:10:03.479 --> 01:10:06.760
Either that one or use waxing Elizabeth.

1299
01:10:06.680 --> 01:10:09.439
Is waxing Elizabeth the creepy chanting, the rommy tep chant.

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01:10:09.640 --> 01:10:10.119
Yeah, that's it.

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That's I'm gonna I'm gonna put that. I'm putting that

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all over the episode. You know that