May 11, 2025

Bill Paxton - The Greatest Game Ever Played

Bill Paxton - The Greatest Game Ever Played
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Season 6A Film By...
Bill Paxton Month here on the A Film By... Podcast continues! Jeff meets Docking Bay 77's Dayton Johnson on the 18th hole to discuss golf, father-son relationships, and class status in Bill Paxton's autobiographical golf drama, The Greatest Game Ever Played!

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All right, man, hit me with what you have decided

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as your favorite Bill Paxton performance.

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Uh well, you know the easy answer is, of course

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Hudson from Aliens, because I think I've probably quoted his

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lines so many times in my life. It's it's gotten,

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you know, kind of ridiculous, But honestly, I love him

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as Chet in Weird Science, the big brother you absolutely

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love to hate yet.

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Nathoo, Sorry, Chet is such an asshole and that he's

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I mean, you know, you and I we have we

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have brothers.

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You you're the younger brother though, right, yes, I have

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an older brother. Was your older brother Chet?

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At times? Yes? He was not nearly as loud, but

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very very uh mean.

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I was the older brother, and I want to believe

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that I wasn't Chet, But you know you asked my Yes,

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my brother Josh, he might have a different take on it.

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So yeah, Well, listen, we've been talking about Bill Paxton

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all month long, so we're obviously going to talk today

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about a film by Bill Bill paton his two thousand

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and five underrated biographical sports film, The Greatest Game Ever Played. Hello,

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and welcome back. I'm Jeff Johnson, and this is a

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film by podcast I am talking about a Disney film

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about golf. There is no greater co host, no greater

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guest I could have invited today than the uh, the

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one and only Dayton Johnson of The Docking Base seventy

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seven podcast. Dayton, welcome back.

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Of course, thanks for having me. I'm excited to talk

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about this when it was the first time watch for me,

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So I'm excited, was it?

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Yeah? Well, you know, and back in April we kind

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of played a joke on everybody. We we we took

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over each other's show, and you know you didn't you

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didn't mess things up too bad, So you know, I

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was happy to have you back.

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You know, I got admit the Whitney Houston kind of

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came out of nowhere.

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That's exactly what I wanted it to do. Uh yeah, man,

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I I love the fact that we made the decision

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to talk about Bill Paxton, like kind of celebrate the

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career of Bill Paxton all month long. And this is

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uh you said, it's the first time watch for you,

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the greatest game ever played. Yep, it was a first

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time watch for me as well. Okay, great and Dayton,

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you know you loved the golf. I love the golf.

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I think a lot of people that love movies and golfing,

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they typically are always going to shoot straight to ten

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Cup or straight to Happy Gilmour, right, And I don't

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know how this one just kind of slipped through the

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cracks for me. You know. It ended up up up

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in a bunker, you know, And I didn't have a

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sandwich to hit this one out and check it out.

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But I am glad that I did. It's celebrating its

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twentieth anniversary this year, so wow, it only took you

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and I twenty years to get to this one.

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Right, And it was one of those that I kept

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telling myself I need to watch I mean, especially after

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you know, I you know, with all the other Disney

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Sports ones. I mean, of course you have cool Runnings

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and Miracle, which we actually did a review on a

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year and a half.

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Loved you loved your Miracle episode A lot of.

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Such a great fantastic movie, you know, in the Rookie

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I got, which I got to see in the theater

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when that came out with Dennis Quay. So going into this,

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you figure out by now I would have seen it,

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but he gave me a great reason to sit down

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to watch it.

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I'm glad for that. Let's uh, let's do a couple

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of facts and a quote about Bill Paxton. Uh, Dayton,

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You're gonna love this one. He was a member of

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the nineteen eighties new wave band Martini Ranch, and one

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of their their bigger songs a song called Reach. Do

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you want to take a Do you want to take

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a wild guess at? Who directed the music video for

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that song?

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What year was this?

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I couldn't tell you. It's in the eighties, it was,

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you know, they were there an eighties.

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I just throw James Cameron just because well, that's.

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A hell of a hell of a thing to throw

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out there, because it was, in fact James Cameron. That's

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that's pretty amazing, all right. You know, well, yeah, you're

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the you're a music guy. I you know, that's like God,

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he knows he'll know this. But all right, Uh, let's

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go for double double jeopardy. Uh. The video featured three

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specific people. You want to a wild guess? You're you're

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you're one for one? You want to take another wild

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guess at who might have been in this video?

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Oh my god, I have no idea, Yeah, no, no idea.

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Go ahead, just to give you I just don't even how.

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About how about his his Near Dark co stars Lance

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Henrickson and Jeannette Goldstein and director Catherine Bigelow.

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Oh that's so cool.

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How much fun was that set? That?

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Right?

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Right?

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Right?

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Yeah? All right? Another fun fact, the nineteen eighty five

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film Commando is the one movie he did with Arnold

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Schwarzenegger that wasn't directed by James Cameron.

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Interesting.

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Now, one more fact for you. In his teens, he

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caddied for legendary golf pro Ben Hogan in Fort Worth, Texas.

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So I don't know about you. I don't know. I

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don't know about you, Dayton. Doing doing a little bit

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of research into this film, you would assume that Paxston

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has got to have a love for the game. Obviously,

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I didn't really find a lot of stuff about him

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being an avid golfer or loving the game of golf.

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But the idea that he was a caddy for someone

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like Ben Hogan that tells me everything I need to

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know about why he chose to direct this film and

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and why it's so enjoyable.

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So right, I get that.

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On being a filmmaker, Paxton once said, quote, I want

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people to reevaluate me, my dream would be to make

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films like Clint Eastwood did. You have to be a

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self starter out here. At a certain point it's important

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to take the reins or otherwise you can be regalled

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to obscurity so quickly. And you know, I read that.

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It makes me sad, you know, tragically we lost him,

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you know, so young, because he you know, this is

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the second film that he directed, and he directed too,

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you know obviously did We kicked off the month with Frailty,

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which was just awesome. Is an awesome film, you know,

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Amber and I had a lot to say about that one. However,

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I can only imagine what he could have done had

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he had the opportunity, because you know, he was kind of,

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you know, in his late fifties, he was starting to

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move into that that realm of film director as opposed

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to as opposed to actor. So yeah, you can only

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you can only imagine what we could have got Dayton,

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You and I have This was the first time watch

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for us. I wasn't sure what we're getting into. I

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know it's based on a true story. Uh but for

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those of us that have not seen this film or

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maybe need to go back and revisit it, can you

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give us a little synopsis about the greatest game ever played.

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I can't go all right, he know. The turn of

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the century or twentieth century, a young Harry Varden becomes

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a champion golfer, but learns at his that his amazing

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skill is no match for the class boundaries that exclude

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him from the gentlemanly English society. A dozen years later,

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a young American fr Instance we met, fights against the

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same prejudice as well as his own father's disdain for

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a chance to participate in the US Open. Against his

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idol Harry Varden. The struggles of both men are acceptance.

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Uh for acceptance provides a background for this amazing based

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on a real event story.

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I want to jump into it. Film opens it's We're

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in England in eighteen seventy nine. We get these creepy

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guys are kind of doing a survey for a new

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golf course, like the what is it the Links of

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Jersey or Jersey Lane.

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Yeah, yeah, it's on the Isle of Jersey. Yeah.

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Now, I mean this is all about this movie? Is

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it's it's it's the story of Francis we Met, right,

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So do you think it's odd that we kind of

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open on on Harry on Harry Varden's story with him

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being a little kid, and I don't know, what's what's

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your take on that? How do you How did you

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feel about the opening?

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I gotta admit it caught me off guard when it started,

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and I liked it because it had a very almost

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spooky way to open a film.

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Oh yeah, very omiss.

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I mean the guy, the four guys, they're all dressed

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in black and you know, look like they're there to

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I don't know, do some kind of weird, you know thing.

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But it makes sense because both women and Varden have

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very parallel lives as far as class warfare and where

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they are in the world and the love of this game,

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and that their paths cross very when Francis is very

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young and has an impact. So it is an interesting choice.

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I don't think it's a bad choice, but it's an

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interesting choice.

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I like. I like that it's it's an interesting choice

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because I don't know about you. I assume we got

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like a brave heart thing happened, because this shack's filled

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with like three or four kids, right, and then these

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guys in black cloaks and black top hats are coming

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up the path and I'm just like, Oh, are their

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parents dead, they're bringing their parents back or what's going on.

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It's like he just you know, basically shuts the kid down,

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young young Varden, right, kind of puts it in a

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place like that where this is gonna be a golf

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course where you're living in. You know, here's a here's

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a coin to beat it, you know, right, h But

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but it gives way to this absolutely fantastic opening title sequence. Uh,

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you know where you're kind of seeing like Boston at

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the turn of the century. You know, it has like

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a little bit of a cheers vibe with the some

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of the I don't know, the the the animation. I

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guess i'd call it, you know, the photo the real

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the real photos with the animation. Uh. Brian Tyler score

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kicks in here, right, I gotta be honest, Brian Tyler,

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you say that name before I watched this movie, and

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I'd be like, what do you do? I'm not really sure?

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Right?

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But I love the score here, and you know, you

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kind of go back you find out he's done some

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pretty impressive films. What was your thoughts on the music here?

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Well, I can tell you that I like the music

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a lot more than the visuals than you did. The

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music I really enjoyed. It's very powerful, it's moving, it

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sucks you in very quickly. I just don't feel like

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it matched the visuals. I mean, I kind of was expecting.

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I felt like I was watching something different than I

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was listening to. But the music is fantastic.

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I'll tell you what, Dayton. Let's take a quick break,

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and when we come back, I want to jump into

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this cast and talk about some of the some of

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these folks. Welcome back. I am here with Dayton Johnson

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of the Docking Bay seventy seven podcast. We are talking

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about Bill Paxton's the greatest game ever played. So let's

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start off with the star Shia Labuff. He's playing Francis Wimmett.

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You know, true story. We talked about that. So Disney

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Kid gets on the radar with what was it even

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Stevens and he does the movie Holes in two thousand

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and three, right I Robot in two thousand and four,

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and then he's starting to shed the young kid look.

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By two thousand and five, he's got this movie he's

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doing Constantine with where he's like Keanu Reef's sidekick. He's

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driver and by two thousand and seven, Yeah, and by

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two thousand and seven he's a star thanks to Transformers.

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I want to talk about Shia in the Greatest game

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I Ever played, because you know you've loved a lot

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of his movies. I'd have to imagine, I know I have.

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somewhat been shunned by some people in Hollywood. But he

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did a film a few years ago called Peanut Butter Falcon,

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which is a independent film where he helps a kid

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with down syndrome who leaves home where they're tak care

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of him because he wants to be a wrestler, so

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he is. That's the name of the kid's name is

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Peanut Butter Falcon. As far as his wrestler, so he's.

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It's a good film. Dakota Johnson's in it, and that's

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worth checking out.

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But it's not a good it's not a good film.

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It's an incredible film. It's an incredible film.

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Man, we're gonna fight already.

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No, no, no, no, listen, I have I've had the

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Peanut Butter Falcon like on the list. Like I'm like,

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you know what we're gonna get to that at some point,

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because that is a sensational movie. Yeah, you're right, Shila

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buff is brilliant in it.

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Yeah, yeah, he definitely because after a while, because you

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see him, especially in the Transformers films and whatever, you

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kind of you kind of get that same vibe, you

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know what I mean, Because even in Kingdom of the

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Crystal Skull, it was that same vibe that seemed personality.

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In this one, you get a kid that's vulnerable, he's

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he's trying to do what he loves. He's also trying

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to deal with his father, He's trying to deal with

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you know, social expectations, you know, where he belongs in

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the world versus where he wants to be. And he

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does a good job. I mean there's a lot of

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emotion in his expressions. He you know, when he's struggling

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that one put towards the very end, when you know

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his head is shaking, his eyes and everything, you really

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can see the stress running through his face. So he

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was really really good. In fact, I think this is

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one of his best performances.

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I have to agree with you. I think this is

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a situation where you've got Shia on the cusp of adulthood.

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So there's still a little bit of that innocence to

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his performance, right, you know, and you're rooting for him

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the entire time. You absolutely are rooting for him.

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Agreed.

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I love I love what he's doing here. Let's talk

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about Stephen Delane playing the legendary Harry Varden. I see

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this guy. Immediately, my brain says, Stanisparathian. It's Game of Thrones.

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Yeah, yeah, I never watched that series.

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You never watched Okay, So okay, So that's where I

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know him from. He's a great actor. What did you

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did you?

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What's your history with this guy?

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You have his face? I mean, I kept saying, it

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was like, I know this guy. I know this guy.

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I did see him, of course in Spy Game, which

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isn't great, but I remember him from that. He just honestly,

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I kept thinking, where do I know this guy from?

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Where I know this guy from? And I couldn't place

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him zero Dark thirty. I remember him from that, So

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it was it wasn't like he didn't stand out. He

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the whole time I'm watching it, I'm thinking, I just

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know this guy, you know what I mean? So to me,

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I just I like, in a way I was lucky

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because I was able to lose myself in his performance

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instead of keep going, oh he was this and he

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was this, so I kind of preferred that. But he

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was good. I really enjoyed him in this.

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You mentioned you mentioned Zero Dark thirty, and now I'm thinking,

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what wasn't he like a secretary of Defense or secretary

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of He was some kind of politician, right.

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Yeah, he wasn't. He wasn't a soldier or anything.

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That's correct, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, But I think I

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think what he's doing here though, I mean thinking about

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if if Francis is our hero of the film, he's

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he's the opponent, right, He's the adversary. He's not necessarily

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a villain or a bad guy. He's it's almost it's

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almost this is a grudge match, you know, because I

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like Harry Varden in the film. I like that he

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what he stands for. I like I like his story,

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his you know, he's he's dealing with the same class

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struggles that Francis is dealing with, the only difference being

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that he's at the end of his career and I'm

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still hoping to get that validation. Fantastic performance. So I

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want to talk about Elias Kotius. He's playing Francis's father,

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Arthur Yes Dayton. This guy is a fantastic character actor,

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but I just don't feel like he gets a whole

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lot to do here my breed. No.

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In fact, that's one of my I don't have a

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lot of complains about the film, but that's one of

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the ones that stands out, is that he only has

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a few scenes, and a big portion of what we

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should be seeing from this film is the relationship with

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his father and the fact that he goes against what

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his dad wants him, you know, his dad trying to

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protect him, try to say, you know that you're not

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wanted in this in that world. You know, find a job,

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be okay with where you are in the world, and

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work hard. And there's that scene when he finds out

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that his son's playing in the US Open and he

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tells him, you know, they argue and he says, well,

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when this is over, you need to find another place

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to live. That scene should be so much more powerful,

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but we really don't get enough scenes with them building

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a relationship for that scene to have weight. So and yeah,

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he just we needed more. We just needed more character building,

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more development between the family between with wo met and

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just him dealing with everything. We we could have done

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a little bit less golf and more more character.

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We I want to I want to get into this

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right now because when we not to step on noteworthy scenes,

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but I kind of had like a a collect all

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just you know, dad constantly projecting his own failures in

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life upon Francis, instilling the class system and everything you're

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saying is absolutely what's happening with this guy. I just

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it's it bums you out because it's like, come on,

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just you know, back him up, give him give you know,

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and we've seen this story play out time and time again,

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where yes, you know, the dad is like, you know,

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get go to school, get a job, you know, quit

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this dream, and we know what's happening here. It's like

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the dad never realized his dreams. And and to your

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point with the you know, Francis kind of going back

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on his word because you know, he he loses the

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qualifier and his dad says, OK, if you you lose

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a qualifier, quit golf, give it up, go get a

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real job. And then you know, Francis is pulled back

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in by the powers that be, like, hey, we've got

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a chance for you to be in the US open

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now and you're right, he's like, yeah, when this is

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all over, just find a new place to live. It's

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like that. It was kind of a kind of quiet,

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like it just seemed like it should have had a

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little more gravitas to it.

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Yeah. I agree, yeah, it it that's and I wish

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we'd gotten more because we we see him when they're little,

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when Francis is little and he puts the money in

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the jar and he says, you know, work hard, put

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the money in the jar, and it's a really cute scene.

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And then the next scene he wants to go. Little

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Francis wants to go see Harry Varden and the dad's like, no,

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he needs to go to school, and of course he

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mom takes him and would Yeah, we'll get to your point,

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which is your to your point is typically you have

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the one parent that says no, you're gonna do this,

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the other parent that encourages him. So that's that's nothing new.

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But it's like and then next thing you know, he's

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once again no he can't do this or whatever, and

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there's not enough relationship building for those scenes to have

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any real way or any real impact on us.

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So what we're what we're missing. So the moment he

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comes back like he's it's like day two of the

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US Open. He's you know, he has that moment with

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with President Taft and the whole family's excited. And then

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you know, Elias Kotias comes in from a hard day

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at work and then points out the fact like, hey,

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if if you if they win, they get this much money.

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If you win, you get no money, and like he's

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really shitty about it, just shitting all over him, like

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you know you even if you win, you get no money.

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And that that's the scene. I feel like should have

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had a lot more punch to it, and it could have.

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It could have been great. There could have been some

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some fireworks there, but it just we didn't get it.

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And I feel like that's where Elias uh Cotys maybe

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miss missed out. You know, I think that's one scene

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and you know there's redemption there. Well we'll get that later,

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but but before we do that, we got to talk

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about a couple other people. Josh Flitter playing arguably the

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the cutest toughest kid film ever, Eddie Eddie Lowry, his caddie.

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Oh my god, he's my favorite. He's actually my favorite.

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Character's awesome. He's so good.

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Yeah, you know, quick check of his phimography shows he's

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he's worked pretty steadily in like kids movies, and I truthfully,

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I haven't seen any of them. I love this little

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kid though he is. He's got such a I don't

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know what he's doing, you know, because like you, it's

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it's like if Scrappy Do were not annoying, you know

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what I mean, because he's tough.

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Let's not let's not compare this kid to scrappy Do.

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That's just me.

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I'm just I'm just saying, like, imagine a world where

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you're not annoyed by Scrappy Do. The kid the kids

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like three foot tall. He can barely carry the bag,

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but he's got he's talking like an adult, like a yes,

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like a guy, like a guy from the pub, you know.

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And he has all these little sayings you know that

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he's he he honestly he steals every scene that he's in,

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you know. And so what's funny is we get the

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emotional attachment between him and Francis that we should have

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gotten with the dad. And so the scene when well

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the morning like just you really believe their friendship. Like

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every scene, you know, when he tells him, you know,

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don't worry about other people, play your game, or you know,

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when he's he's looking out for Francis the entire time.

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You know, when Francis comes out in the morning, the

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Randy morning, he's sitting there by the gate with the

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mumbrella already he's already beat him there so far and away.

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You know, best character, most interesting character, most fun character

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in the entire film.

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I agree with you. I wholeheartedly agree with you. He's

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if there's one reason to watch this movie, it's it's

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to see Josh f Litter play Caddie Eddie Lowry. Question

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for you. So, I'm not gonna call her the love interest,

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but she like the girl that's got you know, Francis's eye. Yeah,

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Peyton List playing Sarah Wallace. Yes, this is her feature

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film debut, and I had to think about it and

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I kind of vaguely remember her from mad Men. But

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do you what's your do you do you? Have you

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seen her in other movies? Do you know? Do you

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know this this this woman? Peyton List?

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Okay, so the funny part was when I saw her

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name come up on the credits, I was expecting somebody else,

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so Disney Channel Family. So my daughter, you know, was

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the right age to watch the TV show Jesse, where

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there's a different Peyton List that was on that show.

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And now more people probably know her from Cobra Kai.

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She's on She's on that show. So I kept expecting

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the little blonde girl from those from those shows to

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show up on this and I'm like, so I didn't

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see her, And then when I saw the credits at

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the end, I'm like, oh, there's two peyton Lists working

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in Hollywood to spell their name?

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Is that? Is that right? Because I knew I'm Peyton.

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I thought it was Peyton Reid, but I'm not clearly

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I'm wrong. So that's Peyton List from Cobra Kai.

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Yep.

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I thought the same thing. I was like, wait, that

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she couldn't possibly be playing this.

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This twelve years Yeah, they're twelve years difference in age,

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so so I expected her to be like a sibling,

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like one of Francis's siblings or one of of Arden's

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siblings or something like that. But when I didn't see her,

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I'm like, okay, So but apart from that, honestly, I

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was looking through her stuff, and I did watch to

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see the show flash forward that she was on, which

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only lasted a season, which was unfortunate because it was

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better than that. But apart from that, not really I

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00:24:35.599 --> 00:24:39.079
know she's She was on Gotham, which I never watched.

467
00:24:40.440 --> 00:24:41.720
Don't remember Gotham.

468
00:24:41.960 --> 00:24:44.880
Yeah she played According to this, she was Ivy Ivy

469
00:24:44.880 --> 00:24:48.319
Pepper five episodes, so apparently she wasn't never very long.

470
00:24:48.640 --> 00:24:52.680
So yeah, I don't. I don't know her anything else.

471
00:24:52.720 --> 00:24:54.079
Because I looked at her, I thought she was familiar

472
00:24:54.079 --> 00:24:55.119
and I looked her up im like, yeah, I don't

473
00:24:55.119 --> 00:24:57.880
know who this woman is. So I mean she was

474
00:24:57.920 --> 00:25:00.680
she did a good job, but to be fair, I'm

475
00:25:00.720 --> 00:25:05.119
still not quite sure her purpose, you know, I mean,

476
00:25:05.599 --> 00:25:08.599
because it's not really a love interest because nothing really

477
00:25:08.599 --> 00:25:12.559
happens there. I don't know it. I seem like they

478
00:25:12.720 --> 00:25:14.440
force fed that character. I don't even know if she's

479
00:25:14.440 --> 00:25:16.400
an actual character. I didn't look at I didn't find

480
00:25:16.400 --> 00:25:17.039
if she was or not.

481
00:25:17.559 --> 00:25:19.599
I think it's a situation where they're just like, hey,

482
00:25:20.640 --> 00:25:25.839
before this movie becomes nothing but a male perform a

483
00:25:26.000 --> 00:25:29.200
male cast, like we have to have at least one

484
00:25:29.279 --> 00:25:31.880
or two and you know, we can throw the mom

485
00:25:31.920 --> 00:25:34.640
in there, which I thought was a little that's a

486
00:25:34.640 --> 00:25:40.000
little forced, like you know, mom's like her. Well, I mean,

487
00:25:40.039 --> 00:25:43.960
I'm not saying anything bad about the character or the

488
00:25:44.400 --> 00:25:48.160
or the performance. I'm just saying I don't know. I've

489
00:25:48.240 --> 00:25:50.559
been to events, and maybe it was different in nineteen thirteen,

490
00:25:50.599 --> 00:25:54.400
but you couldn't just run up to the the you know,

491
00:25:54.720 --> 00:25:58.599
the eighteenth hole at the US Open. Well, I don't

492
00:25:58.599 --> 00:25:59.400
care who you are.

493
00:25:59.559 --> 00:26:01.319
To be fair, they didn't have those kind of crowds

494
00:26:01.319 --> 00:26:03.599
then either. They didn't start using ropes and things like

495
00:26:03.599 --> 00:26:07.319
that until Almad Palmer and so when he started getting famous.

496
00:26:07.400 --> 00:26:10.359
So this that shot where they there's like hundreds of

497
00:26:10.400 --> 00:26:13.680
people on the on the fairway is just that's just Hollywood.

498
00:26:14.640 --> 00:26:15.359
That's Hollywood.

499
00:26:16.440 --> 00:26:18.640
One more, one more person I want to talk about, Uh,

500
00:26:19.400 --> 00:26:23.880
just a you know, quick one, young Harry Varden who

501
00:26:23.920 --> 00:26:27.160
was facing off against the creepy guys who are wanting

502
00:26:27.160 --> 00:26:30.359
to a victim. That was James Paxton. That's that's Bill

503
00:26:30.400 --> 00:26:35.279
Paxton's son, right, and guy, so he leaves college, he

504
00:26:35.319 --> 00:26:39.440
was studying journalism, leaves college to pursue a career in film.

505
00:26:39.960 --> 00:26:42.000
I was I was kind of impressed to see that

506
00:26:42.720 --> 00:26:44.880
the body of work. He has had nothing to do

507
00:26:44.920 --> 00:26:48.680
with his dad's movies or dad's dad's work. You know,

508
00:26:48.680 --> 00:26:50.599
he kept busy. You know, he's taking small roles in

509
00:26:50.640 --> 00:26:54.480
films and television. Last year, Dayton, he actually took a

510
00:26:54.519 --> 00:26:58.119
small role in Twisters. He played character Cody. Yeah, he

511
00:26:58.119 --> 00:27:00.960
played the character Cody, And he said he he did

512
00:27:00.960 --> 00:27:03.000
that just as a way to honor his dad and

513
00:27:03.200 --> 00:27:05.920
his presence in that that that film universe. I thought

514
00:27:05.960 --> 00:27:06.599
that was kind of cool.

515
00:27:07.039 --> 00:27:08.599
That's very cool. That's very cool.

516
00:27:09.039 --> 00:27:11.839
Yeah, so we know this is a true story. Uh.

517
00:27:12.400 --> 00:27:15.759
The movie is adapted from Mark Frost's two thousand and

518
00:27:15.799 --> 00:27:20.200
two book The Greatest Game Ever Played, Harry Varden, Francis

519
00:27:20.200 --> 00:27:24.599
Swimmet and the Birth of Modern Golf. Good good, good

520
00:27:24.640 --> 00:27:27.200
move on cutting that title down, because.

521
00:27:27.000 --> 00:27:29.559
Yeah, a little bit. That's a little long, Yeah, a

522
00:27:29.599 --> 00:27:30.839
little long. Yeah.

523
00:27:31.079 --> 00:27:34.799
Yeah. They shot this in Montreal, shot on location at

524
00:27:34.799 --> 00:27:37.920
the Knawaukee Golf Club where I guess the changes they

525
00:27:37.960 --> 00:27:41.240
made to the to the course and to the the

526
00:27:41.920 --> 00:27:45.039
buildings they actually liked there, like, yeah, we're keeping it well.

527
00:27:45.240 --> 00:27:48.759
Yeah. Apparently they painted the caddy shop yellow I think

528
00:27:48.799 --> 00:27:49.720
it was, and they liked it.

529
00:27:49.839 --> 00:27:52.160
They just left it, let's believe alone.

530
00:27:52.200 --> 00:27:54.519
Yeah, it's usually not that way. Usually, when the Hollywood

531
00:27:54.559 --> 00:27:56.799
comes in and does stuff to your you know, your area,

532
00:27:56.960 --> 00:27:59.559
you have to fix it up because they left it disarray.

533
00:27:59.640 --> 00:28:02.519
But I do want to mention one of the actors

534
00:28:02.640 --> 00:28:06.519
that really stuck out to me because I don't think

535
00:28:06.559 --> 00:28:10.519
he got what he deserved. But uh, Peter Peter Firth

536
00:28:10.519 --> 00:28:14.000
that played Lord Northcliff, you know, basically the one dick.

537
00:28:14.319 --> 00:28:15.960
Oh my god, he's terrible.

538
00:28:16.240 --> 00:28:19.839
His character was a dick like yeah, you know, yeah the.

539
00:28:19.759 --> 00:28:23.000
Whole time, he's just rubbing you the wrong way, you know,

540
00:28:23.400 --> 00:28:28.079
and uh yeah, he he just oh, he was every

541
00:28:28.319 --> 00:28:29.079
He's the villain.

542
00:28:29.880 --> 00:28:31.799
He's the villain. I could have He's a scene where

543
00:28:31.799 --> 00:28:33.799
he I could I totally you know, we got a

544
00:28:33.799 --> 00:28:36.400
lot of rain in this movie. I totally could have

545
00:28:36.640 --> 00:28:38.599
enjoyed a scene where he slips and like falls in

546
00:28:38.680 --> 00:28:41.559
like a mud pit or into into a bunk or something.

547
00:28:41.599 --> 00:28:42.880
You know, give I give the guy a little bit

548
00:28:42.920 --> 00:28:44.400
of come up. And because he doesn't get it, he

549
00:28:44.519 --> 00:28:47.960
you know, he's like, I'm a I'm a snooty British,

550
00:28:48.839 --> 00:28:52.400
you know, high society guy. I'm the bad guy. And

551
00:28:52.480 --> 00:28:54.400
you know he doesn't technically get what he wants at

552
00:28:54.400 --> 00:28:57.799
the end, but he still doesn't get punished, right, goes

553
00:28:57.799 --> 00:29:01.359
back to Britain being a dick. So yes, yeah, that

554
00:29:01.359 --> 00:29:03.400
guy was good though he he If you if you

555
00:29:03.440 --> 00:29:06.119
need one person to just not like to dislike in

556
00:29:06.160 --> 00:29:11.160
this movie, it's definitely that guy. One thing movies always

557
00:29:11.200 --> 00:29:14.519
have to do, they have to ratchet up the the uh,

558
00:29:14.559 --> 00:29:18.759
the tension, right the drama. True stories are no different.

559
00:29:19.000 --> 00:29:21.160
It's it's adapted from the book, so we can we

560
00:29:21.200 --> 00:29:23.880
can play around a little bit. Obviously, Dayton. You know,

561
00:29:24.839 --> 00:29:29.559
we get this exciting conclusion where Francis wins by singing

562
00:29:29.559 --> 00:29:30.599
a putt on the eighteenth hole.

563
00:29:31.200 --> 00:29:31.480
Right.

564
00:29:32.160 --> 00:29:38.799
In real life, we met defeated Harry Varden by five strokes, right,

565
00:29:39.279 --> 00:29:41.119
he had the he had the Birdie parr on seventeen

566
00:29:41.119 --> 00:29:45.240
and eighteen. Varden had a bogey double bogie. I I'm

567
00:29:45.319 --> 00:29:48.440
totally cool with them changing this, yeah, change in history

568
00:29:48.480 --> 00:29:50.359
because like if this, if they kept it the same,

569
00:29:50.440 --> 00:29:52.640
like I would have been like, yeah, okay, we's got

570
00:29:52.640 --> 00:29:55.480
this locked up. You know why why even you know.

571
00:29:56.440 --> 00:29:58.400
You could have still done it. It could have been

572
00:29:58.440 --> 00:30:00.759
one of those things where you know.

573
00:30:02.480 --> 00:30:06.160
I mean, he's got it locked up, it's done.

574
00:30:06.279 --> 00:30:10.000
So here's my thing, there's ways you could have done

575
00:30:10.039 --> 00:30:13.319
it because one of my issues, like I said, is

576
00:30:13.359 --> 00:30:17.279
that there's not enough time with us getting Francis to

577
00:30:17.359 --> 00:30:19.680
getting to know the other people. And I think a

578
00:30:19.680 --> 00:30:21.920
little less golf would have been Okay, it wouldn't have

579
00:30:21.920 --> 00:30:27.720
had has been as impactful. But yeah, I mean it works.

580
00:30:27.920 --> 00:30:31.880
It's it's exciting and you know, yeah, they even changed.

581
00:30:32.079 --> 00:30:33.839
I think the seventeen was supposed to be a dog

582
00:30:33.880 --> 00:30:36.480
leg left on the original course. It's a dog leg

583
00:30:36.559 --> 00:30:41.400
right on this one. So it does because isn't that

584
00:30:41.440 --> 00:30:44.319
the one where uh Varden tries to hit it over

585
00:30:44.359 --> 00:30:49.559
the trees and tries to suffer Francis. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

586
00:30:49.640 --> 00:30:52.240
so no, it's yes, it's definitely more exciting this way.

587
00:30:52.400 --> 00:30:56.920
It's it's very Hollywood. Yeah, it's got to build. Yeah

588
00:30:56.920 --> 00:30:57.400
that's fine.

589
00:30:57.440 --> 00:31:00.000
I mean, I mean, you're you're you're kind of hollyoo

590
00:31:00.000 --> 00:31:01.440
would like I remember the last time you and I

591
00:31:01.440 --> 00:31:04.039
were on the golf course, I know, going to the eighteenth.

592
00:31:04.240 --> 00:31:06.799
I know you had me by like probably ten strokes

593
00:31:07.480 --> 00:31:09.440
and it was like I was like, I don't even

594
00:31:09.480 --> 00:31:12.079
know why I'm bothering, but you know, we're gonna we're

595
00:31:12.119 --> 00:31:14.839
gonna count this up dating. Oh come on, you you

596
00:31:14.960 --> 00:31:17.799
uh you you you definitely defeated me that day.

597
00:31:18.440 --> 00:31:18.799
Whatever.

598
00:31:19.960 --> 00:31:24.519
Uh talking about the you know, the shots though, there's

599
00:31:24.559 --> 00:31:27.720
scenes in this movie that I absolutely love, you know,

600
00:31:27.759 --> 00:31:31.920
the the the action which two to make a round

601
00:31:31.920 --> 00:31:35.880
of golf, you know, as exciting as they do in

602
00:31:35.920 --> 00:31:40.480
this movie, it takes something. I think the cinematography is incredible.

603
00:31:41.200 --> 00:31:44.000
Some of the shots are absolutely amazing. But I'm gonna

604
00:31:44.000 --> 00:31:46.480
be fair and say some of the shots aren't. Did

605
00:31:46.480 --> 00:31:48.480
you get that feeling that you got that because there's

606
00:31:48.480 --> 00:31:50.640
a couple of there's a couple of shots. I'll tell

607
00:31:50.720 --> 00:31:52.119
let's get this out of the way. Let's talk about

608
00:31:52.160 --> 00:31:54.799
a couple of shots that maybe definitely should not have

609
00:31:54.839 --> 00:31:57.880
been this movie. Maybe maybe maybe we're bad decisions because

610
00:31:57.920 --> 00:31:59.359
I got one. But I want to. I wanna, I

611
00:31:59.359 --> 00:32:02.359
want to. I want to give you first crack at it.

612
00:32:02.400 --> 00:32:03.279
What bothered you?

613
00:32:03.720 --> 00:32:06.400
Okay, So there is a lot. First of all, there's

614
00:32:06.440 --> 00:32:10.400
a lot of camera movement that is unnecessary. Like you know,

615
00:32:10.599 --> 00:32:14.319
sometimes it sets up a shot. Sometimes it's just the hey,

616
00:32:14.319 --> 00:32:17.680
we're moving the camera around, but the one shot it

617
00:32:17.720 --> 00:32:21.279
moves around to underneath Francis. So we see the ball

618
00:32:21.359 --> 00:32:23.119
on the green and he puts.

619
00:32:23.160 --> 00:32:24.559
We're like, underneath the ball.

620
00:32:24.599 --> 00:32:26.039
Yeah, there's no you don't see the of course you

621
00:32:26.079 --> 00:32:27.920
don't see the green or whatever, but yeah, underneath the bat.

622
00:32:27.960 --> 00:32:31.680
And I'm like, that's unnecessary because because me knowing how

623
00:32:31.720 --> 00:32:34.920
far away he was, he didn't even hit the ball

624
00:32:34.960 --> 00:32:36.480
that hard at all. It was like because you had

625
00:32:36.480 --> 00:32:37.960
to get it within the frame, and so it just

626
00:32:38.000 --> 00:32:42.200
didn't work. But the shots that really bothered me were

627
00:32:42.200 --> 00:32:45.039
the runs that reminded me of Happy Gilmore, where the

628
00:32:45.079 --> 00:32:47.480
camera's falling right behind the ball.

629
00:32:48.000 --> 00:32:48.880
You have that ball.

630
00:32:49.920 --> 00:32:53.079
Yes, it drove me nuts. It's it's out of place

631
00:32:53.079 --> 00:32:56.279
in this film, latly out of place. I kind of

632
00:32:56.279 --> 00:33:01.359
feel like Paxton was trying to make it excite, but

633
00:33:01.519 --> 00:33:03.839
he was trying too hard. He was being very gimmicky

634
00:33:04.400 --> 00:33:07.599
with the shots and with the sound effects, and you

635
00:33:07.640 --> 00:33:10.440
can make you can make a golf movie exciting. I mean,

636
00:33:10.480 --> 00:33:14.240
Tin Cup is my favorite golf movie. And they don't

637
00:33:14.279 --> 00:33:16.960
they don't resort to these gimmicky shots. Same thing with

638
00:33:17.000 --> 00:33:20.759
the with the the scoreboard, with the flipping let you know,

639
00:33:20.799 --> 00:33:23.240
numbers and everything all over the place, and like that's unnecessary.

640
00:33:23.279 --> 00:33:24.559
We don't we don't need that.

641
00:33:25.200 --> 00:33:27.000
I think he was trying to about the slash cuts

642
00:33:27.000 --> 00:33:28.640
of like a seventeenth hole, you know.

643
00:33:28.759 --> 00:33:30.680
Yeah, then when it comes to there's a wide shot,

644
00:33:30.720 --> 00:33:33.359
all the all the numbers are flipping like they're all changing.

645
00:33:33.400 --> 00:33:35.519
I'm just like, that's just not necessary. You could have

646
00:33:35.559 --> 00:33:37.160
saved money and done something else.

647
00:33:37.680 --> 00:33:41.839
Yeah, okay, so in the saving money, I don't know

648
00:33:42.000 --> 00:33:44.880
what they spent on this shot, but it's probably the

649
00:33:44.920 --> 00:33:49.079
one shot that I just I can't stand. And it's

650
00:33:49.680 --> 00:33:53.640
it's when we we get a super close shot of

651
00:33:53.680 --> 00:33:57.160
the ball and then a lady bug comes to plans

652
00:33:57.160 --> 00:33:57.440
on it.

653
00:33:57.839 --> 00:34:00.680
There's no point to that. There's absolutely point of that.

654
00:34:00.960 --> 00:34:04.079
Dude just destroys the ball, you know, with with his

655
00:34:04.160 --> 00:34:07.759
swing and we slowed down long enough to see that

656
00:34:07.799 --> 00:34:11.519
the lady bug has flown off the ball mid strike

657
00:34:11.639 --> 00:34:15.039
and it's flying around. I just like, it's like I said,

658
00:34:15.239 --> 00:34:16.320
why are we doing it?

659
00:34:16.320 --> 00:34:19.440
It's it's not even necessary. It does nothing, It doesn't

660
00:34:19.480 --> 00:34:23.159
for the story, it doesn't further the character. It didn't matter,

661
00:34:23.440 --> 00:34:27.280
you know. And some of those shots were just hey,

662
00:34:27.280 --> 00:34:29.199
look what we can do, and it just I don't

663
00:34:29.199 --> 00:34:33.760
think it really drove the story and as as fantastic

664
00:34:33.800 --> 00:34:38.880
as the montage, the raining uh day was it once

665
00:34:38.920 --> 00:34:43.719
again felt like, OK, well, I'm sorry, I just I

666
00:34:43.719 --> 00:34:45.639
didn't think it was all that necessary.

667
00:34:45.719 --> 00:34:47.760
All right, Well, okay, you you you brought that up.

668
00:34:47.800 --> 00:34:49.480
So I do want to talk about some shots, some

669
00:34:49.559 --> 00:34:53.400
scenes that I that I did enjoy. Uh you know,

670
00:34:53.480 --> 00:34:55.639
get it, get your take on it. Let's let's do

671
00:34:55.719 --> 00:34:58.039
let's let's talk about some noteworthy scenes and maybe maybe

672
00:34:58.079 --> 00:35:00.800
we find the pivotal moment or you find a pivotal

673
00:35:00.800 --> 00:35:05.320
moment for the movie for yourself. So you kind of

674
00:35:05.320 --> 00:35:08.880
alluded to this one earlier. Dad forbids young Francis from

675
00:35:08.880 --> 00:35:12.360
skipping school to see Harry Varden in town. Mom insists

676
00:35:12.519 --> 00:35:15.679
he skipped school to help her carry groceries, but actually

677
00:35:15.719 --> 00:35:16.840
takes them to see Harry Varden.

678
00:35:17.320 --> 00:35:17.519
Right.

679
00:35:19.960 --> 00:35:24.079
I love this scene because it hits close to home

680
00:35:24.079 --> 00:35:26.079
for me. And I'm not saying my dad forbid me

681
00:35:26.119 --> 00:35:28.880
from going to see something or do something, but I

682
00:35:28.920 --> 00:35:33.639
specifically remember a day where my mom kept me home

683
00:35:33.639 --> 00:35:36.400
from school. You know, I wasn't feeling good. She felt

684
00:35:36.480 --> 00:35:39.760
I wasn't well enough to go to school, but she

685
00:35:39.920 --> 00:35:43.159
did think I was well enough to go to the movies,

686
00:35:44.039 --> 00:35:48.880
and she took me to see Rainbow two, and I

687
00:35:48.960 --> 00:35:51.039
was like, my mom is the coolest mom ever, Like

688
00:35:51.119 --> 00:35:52.960
this is you know, because my dad had taken me

689
00:35:53.000 --> 00:35:55.559
to see plenty of awesome movies. I never really had

690
00:35:55.639 --> 00:35:58.800
that experience with my mom until she did that. And

691
00:35:59.159 --> 00:36:00.760
it was an awesome day. And that's one of my

692
00:36:00.960 --> 00:36:04.639
it's it's such a fond memory for me, between me

693
00:36:04.679 --> 00:36:07.519
and my mom and when she's when I see I

694
00:36:07.559 --> 00:36:11.840
see Francis' mom giving him this opportunity, you know, and

695
00:36:11.880 --> 00:36:14.360
he I love the fact that he, you know, Varden's

696
00:36:14.360 --> 00:36:16.719
asking for a volunteer. He jumps, he jumps up on there,

697
00:36:17.559 --> 00:36:22.320
teaches him, teaches him the grip. You know, fantastic. You know,

698
00:36:22.400 --> 00:36:24.440
that's still that's still known as the Varden grip. Everyone

699
00:36:24.440 --> 00:36:28.360
talks about that if you play golf. Love that scene.

700
00:36:28.599 --> 00:36:31.440
Yeah, it's a fun scene, especially since of course this

701
00:36:31.559 --> 00:36:34.159
first swing he throws up there, he does a really

702
00:36:34.199 --> 00:36:35.880
poor job, and then he fixes it. I like how

703
00:36:35.880 --> 00:36:38.719
he looks at him, gives him some advice, shows him

704
00:36:38.719 --> 00:36:40.679
the grip, and then the next shot he hits it

705
00:36:40.719 --> 00:36:42.719
really well into the whole crowd's like, you know, whatever.

706
00:36:42.840 --> 00:36:45.960
But the only complaint I had is I kind of

707
00:36:45.960 --> 00:36:49.159
wish we'd come back to that. Like every time that

708
00:36:49.280 --> 00:36:52.360
Francis and Harry Varden were in a scene together, I

709
00:36:52.480 --> 00:36:56.400
kept waiting for Francis to say, you probably don't remember,

710
00:36:56.519 --> 00:36:58.840
but you showed me how to swing the club, and

711
00:36:59.159 --> 00:37:01.480
if it's it is at and if they're willing to

712
00:37:01.599 --> 00:37:05.280
change the end of the tournament for the movie, I

713
00:37:05.280 --> 00:37:08.119
thought that would have been a really fun scene. And

714
00:37:08.199 --> 00:37:10.039
I think that was an opportunity missed.

715
00:37:10.280 --> 00:37:13.239
I agree, I agree. I kept waiting for it, like,

716
00:37:13.320 --> 00:37:16.159
here's the reveal. He's gonna find out that this kid's

717
00:37:16.199 --> 00:37:19.760
here because of him, right, But they never even in

718
00:37:19.800 --> 00:37:21.400
the locker room at the end. They never had that

719
00:37:21.480 --> 00:37:25.519
moment where it came full circle. I was missed opportunity.

720
00:37:25.639 --> 00:37:28.760
I'll give you that. That that's that's a bogie for sure.

721
00:37:30.519 --> 00:37:35.559
So you were you're starting to complain about a rain scene,

722
00:37:35.599 --> 00:37:39.920
and and you said montage. And here's the thing. There's

723
00:37:39.960 --> 00:37:43.960
two training there's two montages, uh, and they both they

724
00:37:44.000 --> 00:37:46.519
both deal with rain. So I want to talk about

725
00:37:46.519 --> 00:37:50.280
the training montage in the rain back you know, be

726
00:37:50.360 --> 00:37:51.119
here at sun up.

727
00:37:51.679 --> 00:37:54.119
You know, that's fantastic I love that one.

728
00:37:54.159 --> 00:37:58.519
That's that he's they're just hitting golf balls, and yet

729
00:37:58.559 --> 00:38:02.239
that seems like you would see that in a in

730
00:38:02.280 --> 00:38:05.199
a rocky montage. It had it had it had rocky

731
00:38:05.239 --> 00:38:08.360
montage energy to that scene. I love that scene. It

732
00:38:08.440 --> 00:38:09.400
might be my favorite scene.

733
00:38:09.800 --> 00:38:12.559
Yeah, okay, see I love that one, the one.

734
00:38:13.440 --> 00:38:18.719
A fan of We'll get there, We'll get you're swinging

735
00:38:18.760 --> 00:38:22.400
your club's wild man, settle down, I do. I you

736
00:38:22.440 --> 00:38:25.440
know that that montage is great? And then it it

737
00:38:25.440 --> 00:38:28.199
it segues right into him burning six straight holes to

738
00:38:28.199 --> 00:38:31.400
make it into the US Open, and I thought, that's awesome.

739
00:38:31.440 --> 00:38:33.679
I love that scene. That probably my favorite moment. I'm

740
00:38:33.719 --> 00:38:35.559
not saying it's the pivotal scene. I'm just saying it's

741
00:38:35.559 --> 00:38:38.559
probably my favorite scene. We already talked about the collection

742
00:38:38.679 --> 00:38:42.920
of dad shitting on son's hopes and dreams, so we'll

743
00:38:42.920 --> 00:38:45.880
skip over that. I think we cover that already. Uh.

744
00:38:46.239 --> 00:38:49.320
But then day two of the open we get another

745
00:38:49.440 --> 00:38:54.079
rain montage. I think we get some great cinematography. I

746
00:38:54.079 --> 00:38:58.119
think Brian Tyler's score is amazing. But you don't like

747
00:38:58.199 --> 00:39:00.119
this scene, so let's talk about it.

748
00:39:00.199 --> 00:39:02.840
Tell me your side here, Okay, So I will agree

749
00:39:02.840 --> 00:39:06.199
that it looks really good. It looks great, and you're right,

750
00:39:06.239 --> 00:39:10.519
the music is fantastic. But once again, it felt like

751
00:39:10.519 --> 00:39:14.199
it went on a bit too long, and once again

752
00:39:14.639 --> 00:39:19.039
he was being very gimmicky with the scoreboard, and these

753
00:39:19.039 --> 00:39:20.760
are all things that I think he was trying really

754
00:39:20.800 --> 00:39:23.880
hard to be different and trying really hard to make

755
00:39:24.000 --> 00:39:27.559
golf exciting. And that's fine. It just felt like a

756
00:39:27.559 --> 00:39:29.440
little bit too much. I don't hate it. I just

757
00:39:29.519 --> 00:39:31.199
kind of felt like it was, like I said, a

758
00:39:31.239 --> 00:39:32.440
little too long, and it was a little out of

759
00:39:32.519 --> 00:39:35.280
place with the rest of the vibe of the film.

760
00:39:35.880 --> 00:39:38.679
You know that. It just I don't know. I didn't

761
00:39:38.679 --> 00:39:41.239
hate it. I just thought there could have been better choices.

762
00:39:41.760 --> 00:39:45.039
All right, Well, let's talk about one more scene. I

763
00:39:45.079 --> 00:39:46.920
think you and I will agree on this one. How

764
00:39:46.920 --> 00:39:49.440
about it being a great scene. I'm gonna call this

765
00:39:49.480 --> 00:39:53.239
the pivotal moment for me. Okay again, let's let's go

766
00:39:53.400 --> 00:39:59.239
back to this very tough, very adorable caddie, Eddie Lowry.

767
00:40:00.039 --> 00:40:04.440
I'm talking about the don't ever talk to my caddy again. Yes, yes,

768
00:40:05.320 --> 00:40:09.719
these bullies, man, these these these stuffed shirts are like, hey,

769
00:40:09.920 --> 00:40:12.000
you know you need you know we're going to the

770
00:40:12.159 --> 00:40:14.039
final day, you need someone out there that could give

771
00:40:14.079 --> 00:40:16.599
you real advice. And they've they basically have told this

772
00:40:16.679 --> 00:40:19.000
kid like, well we'll pay him, well, we'll buy him off. Well,

773
00:40:19.039 --> 00:40:21.800
he's fine, get him out of here. And I love

774
00:40:21.840 --> 00:40:27.440
the fact that Francis sticks to the friendship yep and says, hey,

775
00:40:27.440 --> 00:40:30.559
don't don't worry about what those guys are saying. You're

776
00:40:30.599 --> 00:40:34.119
with me. You know. I love that moment, very heartfelt moment,

777
00:40:34.239 --> 00:40:36.960
because this kid is upset, he is absolutely just destroyed.

778
00:40:37.320 --> 00:40:38.840
Yeah, and he even said I wouldn't do it for

779
00:40:38.840 --> 00:40:40.280
ten bucks. I wouldn't do it for one hundred. You know,

780
00:40:40.320 --> 00:40:43.320
they wouldn't. He wouldn't leave him. So absolutely, that's actually

781
00:40:43.360 --> 00:40:47.639
I I would say that's probably the pivotal moment for

782
00:40:47.760 --> 00:40:55.119
me because at that point, Francis has he knows who

783
00:40:55.199 --> 00:40:58.039
he is, he's he's come to terms with the situation.

784
00:40:58.599 --> 00:41:00.599
He stood up for his friend. He's not afraid to

785
00:41:00.599 --> 00:41:03.840
tell these people, you know that have basically said you

786
00:41:03.840 --> 00:41:05.760
don't belong here whatever. He stood up to him, said

787
00:41:06.039 --> 00:41:08.039
don't ever talk to my caddie again. And he wasn't

788
00:41:08.039 --> 00:41:10.840
afraid of him. And after that, you watch that scene,

789
00:41:11.199 --> 00:41:14.639
you know, whether you know the outcome or not from history.

790
00:41:15.239 --> 00:41:18.920
You know he's gonna win now because he's he he

791
00:41:18.920 --> 00:41:20.920
he is leveled up as a person.

792
00:41:21.039 --> 00:41:25.440
Yes, yeah, absolutely, he and these guys in real life

793
00:41:25.440 --> 00:41:28.400
they got they remain close friends like the rest of

794
00:41:28.440 --> 00:41:28.960
their lives.

795
00:41:29.159 --> 00:41:29.400
Yep.

796
00:41:30.440 --> 00:41:34.239
I just love that he defended him in that way.

797
00:41:34.360 --> 00:41:35.800
And then even at the end, like when we get

798
00:41:35.800 --> 00:41:38.159
the big win and they're throwing him up on their

799
00:41:38.159 --> 00:41:41.480
shoulders and everyone's you know, we know that Francis cannot

800
00:41:42.000 --> 00:41:45.880
win money, and all these these rich people on the course,

801
00:41:45.880 --> 00:41:48.159
they're all throwing money and handing him money, and he's like,

802
00:41:49.000 --> 00:41:51.599
put it in the hat for Eddie, give it to Eddie,

803
00:41:51.800 --> 00:41:55.000
passed the hat around to Eddie. I I that maybe

804
00:41:55.199 --> 00:41:58.199
just I mean, you can't root for Francis any more

805
00:41:58.239 --> 00:42:01.360
than you already have been. But how he how he

806
00:42:01.480 --> 00:42:05.440
takes care of Eddie makes me root for him even more.

807
00:42:05.480 --> 00:42:09.519
So let's take one last break and when we come back,

808
00:42:09.559 --> 00:42:14.679
we'll wrap things up. So Dayton, you've been here a

809
00:42:14.719 --> 00:42:17.239
time or three. Uh, you know, we like to talk

810
00:42:17.280 --> 00:42:20.840
about the director, and you know what three films would

811
00:42:20.880 --> 00:42:26.360
you recommend if someone wasn't familiar with their body of work? Sadly,

812
00:42:26.400 --> 00:42:30.840
we only have two films directed by Bill Paxton, and

813
00:42:30.880 --> 00:42:32.920
as of this episode, we've talked about both of them

814
00:42:32.920 --> 00:42:34.760
because we kicked like I said, as I said, we

815
00:42:34.840 --> 00:42:37.079
kicked off the month with Frailty. So I'm gonna ask

816
00:42:37.159 --> 00:42:42.199
you what I've been asking everybody, which three films would

817
00:42:42.239 --> 00:42:46.599
you suggest that they watch for Bill Paxton? And I'm

818
00:42:46.599 --> 00:42:49.039
talking this whether you think it's like, hey, you need

819
00:42:49.079 --> 00:42:52.639
to see these because it's either amazing performances or I

820
00:42:52.760 --> 00:42:54.679
just love him in this movie. And here's why, Like

821
00:42:54.679 --> 00:42:58.360
what three? What three Bill Paxton movies would you suggest?

822
00:42:58.800 --> 00:43:01.679
Well, it's always funny watching him a Terminator because he's

823
00:43:01.679 --> 00:43:03.679
only on screen for like a minute and he dies.

824
00:43:04.079 --> 00:43:08.360
But Aliens is a good one to go through because,

825
00:43:08.400 --> 00:43:10.440
like I said before, I quote so many of his

826
00:43:10.519 --> 00:43:14.119
lines and he is he's just funny and he's kind

827
00:43:14.159 --> 00:43:15.440
of tough on that movie. He has a lot of

828
00:43:15.440 --> 00:43:17.119
personality in that one. So it's a lot of fun

829
00:43:17.119 --> 00:43:21.119
to watch him. True Lies has the sleazy guy that's

830
00:43:21.239 --> 00:43:23.760
you know, trying to seduce sports nigger. It's white Jami

831
00:43:23.840 --> 00:43:26.880
the Curtis, and he definitely gets what's coming to him.

832
00:43:26.920 --> 00:43:31.199
So he's just hilarious he has. He really shows a

833
00:43:31.239 --> 00:43:35.159
different level of comedy chops in that one. And one

834
00:43:35.199 --> 00:43:39.559
that I think really showed how good of a dramatic

835
00:43:39.559 --> 00:43:41.599
actor he could be was a Simple Plan.

836
00:43:42.599 --> 00:43:46.039
I absolutely I've been waiting for someone to say simple Plan.

837
00:43:46.960 --> 00:43:48.840
Thank you for that, because we covered it. It's a

838
00:43:48.960 --> 00:43:52.079
it's one of it's it's a very underrated Sam Raimi film.

839
00:43:52.119 --> 00:43:55.920
We covered it, I think in our first season. Love

840
00:43:56.000 --> 00:43:57.199
him in a Simple Plan.

841
00:43:57.320 --> 00:43:59.320
Yeah, he's so good. I mean the film is good too,

842
00:43:59.360 --> 00:44:01.320
but he really Yeah, he carries a lot of the

843
00:44:01.320 --> 00:44:02.320
weight in that one, for sure.

844
00:44:02.719 --> 00:44:06.760
He absolutely does. Great suggestions, Thank you for that, Dayton.

845
00:44:07.960 --> 00:44:11.519
The Greatest Game ever played is currently streaming on Disney Plus.

846
00:44:11.719 --> 00:44:12.840
Is that where you watched it? Or do you have

847
00:44:12.840 --> 00:44:13.639
a copy of this one?

848
00:44:13.960 --> 00:44:15.440
No? I do not have a copy. I did watch

849
00:44:15.440 --> 00:44:17.159
it on Disney Plus.

850
00:44:16.880 --> 00:44:19.280
All right, And I would have to imagine you recommend

851
00:44:19.280 --> 00:44:21.159
this one, correct, I do.

852
00:44:22.480 --> 00:44:25.199
It's definitely worth viewing. You know, it comes from the

853
00:44:25.199 --> 00:44:27.079
studio that gave us called Runnings and like I said,

854
00:44:27.119 --> 00:44:30.400
Miracle whatever. It's not quite on the level of those,

855
00:44:31.039 --> 00:44:33.360
but it's definitely entertaining and worth a watch.

856
00:44:34.199 --> 00:44:37.280
Well, listeners, what do you think of Bill Paxton's The

857
00:44:37.320 --> 00:44:41.280
Greatest Game Ever Played? Have you seen it? Did we

858
00:44:41.320 --> 00:44:43.159
get this one wrong? You can let us know on

859
00:44:43.199 --> 00:44:46.199
social media. You'll find us on Facebook, Instagram, and x.

860
00:44:46.679 --> 00:44:49.119
You can check out a Film by Podcast dot com

861
00:44:49.159 --> 00:44:52.199
for all of our episodes streaming on the platform of

862
00:44:52.199 --> 00:44:54.079
your choice. We've got a couple of articles we've written there,

863
00:44:54.119 --> 00:44:57.679
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864
00:44:57.719 --> 00:45:01.119
Film by Podcast at gmail dot com with your questions,

865
00:45:01.159 --> 00:45:04.320
comments and concerns. We may just read your response on

866
00:45:04.360 --> 00:45:06.440
the show, and if we do, we'll always send you

867
00:45:06.519 --> 00:45:10.599
some of our film biaswag. So, Dayton, what what do

868
00:45:10.639 --> 00:45:12.280
you got coming up? What's been doing on this month

869
00:45:12.280 --> 00:45:13.599
over on Documbent seventy seven.

870
00:45:14.519 --> 00:45:16.320
Well, actually, it's been a very busy month. We've had

871
00:45:16.320 --> 00:45:20.559
a lot of special guests over here. So our friends

872
00:45:20.599 --> 00:45:24.039
from the All Eighties Movies podcast, Bill and Jason, we

873
00:45:24.079 --> 00:45:26.400
invited them to pick a film that they couldn't discuss

874
00:45:26.440 --> 00:45:30.480
on theirs. So we have a Sam Raimi film. So

875
00:45:30.559 --> 00:45:32.960
Bill picked Dark Dark Man, so we're looking forward to

876
00:45:33.039 --> 00:45:36.679
discussing that one. Jason picked District Nine, which is another

877
00:45:36.760 --> 00:45:39.159
fantastic sci fi movie. I'm looking at I'm very excited

878
00:45:39.199 --> 00:45:42.400
to talk about our friend from the thirty seventy movie podcast,

879
00:45:42.480 --> 00:45:45.239
John Reid. He'll be joining us for our review of Solo,

880
00:45:45.320 --> 00:45:47.159
a Star Wars story, because I have to do at

881
00:45:47.199 --> 00:45:51.199
least one Star Wars film every year, and and we

882
00:45:51.239 --> 00:45:54.440
will count down our top seven film villains as well.

883
00:45:54.519 --> 00:45:57.679
So that's gonna be a really fun episode. And just

884
00:45:57.719 --> 00:46:00.000
to brag a little bit. In June, we are hitting

885
00:46:00.039 --> 00:46:03.559
a two hundredth episode. We're reviewing Steven Soderbergh's remake of

886
00:46:03.599 --> 00:46:04.239
Votions eleven.

887
00:46:05.000 --> 00:46:08.320
That is a pretty packed may. I cannot wait to

888
00:46:08.360 --> 00:46:13.000
hear the seven Villains because I'm probably gonna assume I'm

889
00:46:13.719 --> 00:46:18.119
assuming what you're calling seven villains. I'm probably gonna hear

890
00:46:18.239 --> 00:46:22.639
a couple of anti heroes or heroes or misunderstood people,

891
00:46:22.880 --> 00:46:25.440
because that's that's how that's how I do it. I'm

892
00:46:25.440 --> 00:46:27.920
looking forward to hearing hearing that one go down.

893
00:46:29.400 --> 00:46:31.960
Is mostly based on people on their on how they

894
00:46:32.000 --> 00:46:35.199
died and whether their death was was worthy or not.

895
00:46:35.679 --> 00:46:41.159
Oh wow, I gotta, I gotta, I gotta ask you something. Actually,

896
00:46:41.159 --> 00:46:45.519
I gotta challenge you, I said earlier. You know, I

897
00:46:45.599 --> 00:46:47.079
kind of I kind of I had to. I had

898
00:46:47.079 --> 00:46:49.639
to give credit where credit was due. The last time

899
00:46:49.679 --> 00:46:51.480
you and I faced off on the golf course, we

900
00:46:51.480 --> 00:46:55.079
played eighteen holes and you just you you beat the

901
00:46:55.079 --> 00:46:57.800
pants off me. Man. I I was just I was

902
00:46:57.840 --> 00:47:02.440
couldn't believe it. So I'm going to challenge you, uh

903
00:47:02.719 --> 00:47:06.159
to the podcast open and I say, uh, you know

904
00:47:06.239 --> 00:47:08.440
it's May. So I say, let's get out there in June.

905
00:47:08.840 --> 00:47:12.599
Let's let's let's pick a let's pick a day and uh,

906
00:47:12.679 --> 00:47:16.400
let's let's play another eighteen and winner. I'm gonna say,

907
00:47:16.400 --> 00:47:20.119
winner gets to guests on the Loser Show and choose

908
00:47:20.159 --> 00:47:20.599
the topic.

909
00:47:21.320 --> 00:47:21.920
I'm down for that.

910
00:47:22.480 --> 00:47:24.840
You're up for that? All right? Of course you heard

911
00:47:24.840 --> 00:47:27.639
it here. All right. If we're lucky, we maybe I

912
00:47:27.679 --> 00:47:29.119
can get day Burns out there. He can, he can

913
00:47:29.119 --> 00:47:30.800
take some video. We can we can make something out

914
00:47:30.840 --> 00:47:31.000
of this.

915
00:47:31.880 --> 00:47:33.719
We'll get it. We'll get a bunch of the podcast

916
00:47:34.119 --> 00:47:34.800
group out there.

917
00:47:34.800 --> 00:47:37.360
And hey, the podcast open, manya.

918
00:47:36.920 --> 00:47:39.320
Podcast open and everything.

919
00:47:50.039 --> 00:47:52.400
I want to thank you again, Dayton uh for for

920
00:47:52.480 --> 00:47:55.760
coming and talking Disney and golf and and Bill Paxton

921
00:47:55.840 --> 00:47:58.800
with me, and UH to all of you listening to

922
00:47:58.840 --> 00:48:01.519
the show, following us on social media and subscribing, to

923
00:48:01.559 --> 00:48:09.079
our Patreon, We thank you. M.