Brian De Palma - Body Double

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So, Scott, can you tell
us what a body double is? Yeah?

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Absolutely, So. It's an industry
term talks about when somebody has to

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stand in for the main actor actress
to film a certain scene. Maybe it's

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a scene where the talent doesn't want
to use their do any kind of nudity

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or something like that, or there's
something else that needs to be done in

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this body double stands in for that
talent. Yeah, because I mean sometimes

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if you've got a wide shot that
you know you can't see the guys or

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the girl's face, you don't want
to put your talent there if you don't

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have to write right exactly. It's
probably a way to save some money,

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I think, in those kind of
shots. But oh yeah, Scott,

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did you know that Samuel L.
Jackson was once a body double? Really

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cared to guess what the project was. I wouldn't even want to guess.

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Hit me with it. He was
Bill Cosby stand in on The Cosby Show

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for three years. Are you kidding? I'm not getting you. He was

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used for blocking and camera choreography because
it was a three camera show. That's

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crazy that that's exactly what he told
Vulture Magazine. He said they put me

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in those crazy sweaters for three years. Oh wow. Interestingly enough, the

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most famous body double in Hollywood is
a woman named Shelley Michelle. Ever hear

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of her? No, you have
seen her, you just didn't realize it.

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But she got her start doubling Kim
Basinger's arms and legs. And my

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stepmother is an alien, which Kim
Basinger denies. However, what cannot be

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denied is her body double work for
Julia Roberts and Pretty Woman. It's actually

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it's actually her body that's on the
poster with Julia roberts head superimposed on it.

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And she did all the scenes in
the movie that Roberts considered a little

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too risque for her. Yeah,
and that's exactly what they're for. No,

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I had heard about the I remember
the story about the Pretty Women poster.

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But no, that's great to put
a name with the body. Speaking

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of names and bodies, I want
to talk about a film by Brian De

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Palma, his nineteen eighty four underrated
voyeuristic thriller Body Double. Hello everybody,

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and welcome back to a Film by
podcast. I'm Jeff Johnson, I'm Scott

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Holman. Scott, now that we
know what a body double is tell us

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what Brian de Palma's body double is
all about. So in this movie,

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nothing is what it seems. It's
a love letter to Hitchcock that blends elements

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of rear Window and Vertigo with a
modern commentary on sex and violence in the

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world of Hollywood. So to kind
of sum it up, the centers.

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The story centers on Jake, and
out of luck actor whose claustrophobia traps him

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into life where he's too paralyzed to
act. He loses his job and a

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woman he loves and lives with in
one fateful day. During this downward spiral,

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he meets Sam, a new friend
and fellow actor, that sets him

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in a unique elevated house with an
interesting view of an exhibitionist neighbor's bedroom.

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Jake becomes obsessed with this woman,
Gloria, and ultimately becomes her stalker slash

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protector as he witnesses the perceived threat
of the menacing driller Killer, which is

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what I'm going to call it the
thing. When this obsession leads to a

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brutal murder, Jake's pursues several clues
to solve a mystery that brings him into

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the world of adult cinema and offers
him the chance to take action or suffocate

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in his own fears. There's a
controversial movie, to say the least,

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that walks of fine line between X
and R ratings, shocks the audience with

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sex and violence, and offers an
interesting glimpse in one of Hollywood's most famous

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directors. You know, I know
you wrote that, but that sounds like

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something I would read in Entertainment Weekly. So it's not a back of the

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box. It's about it. That's
one hell of a back of the box.

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Several points that you make. I
know we're going to talk about the

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Palma makes two types of movies of
Scott. He does the big studio movies

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like You, Untouchables or Mission Impossible, and then he does these small psychological

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thrillers like Blowout or Body Double,
And that's where his love of Hitchcock really

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comes out. You said it yourself. You know. Body Double is his

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homage to Vertigo, and there's definitely
a touch of rear window in it.

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That's I think that's one of the
reasons why I love the movie so much.

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Yeah, and you can even see
it in the trailer, right at

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that famous scene of the lead character
looking into the telescope, you know,

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aimed right at the camera. So
many scenes in here are just screaming hitchcock,

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which was a huge influence on Dapauma's
career. I mean, I love

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it obviously, but yeah, when
I watched it recently, I thought,

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this is so far out of Scott's
depths. I can't wait to see what

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he would say. It's not usually
in my wheelhouse. Yeah, I mean

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it seems like, you know,
I know that when I was growing up,

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I would hear about a few movies
that kind of felt like they were

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probably propped in the video store,
right next to the beating curtain in the

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back, you know, just kind
of on the cusp. And there were

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a lot of times in this one, especially, there's a pivotal scene with

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Melanie Griffith talking about what she won't
do, and it's kind of like,

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WHOA, Okay, yeah, that's
scene I don't I don't think. I

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don't want to lose any of our
of our sponsors, so we won't repeat

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what she says. But interestingly enough, in the United Kingdom, her dialogue

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in that scene was significantly cut down
so that they could actually show it.

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Right. Yeah, I don't doubt
it. You get older, you can

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appreciate this film for a lot of
things, and as I got older,

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I appreciate it. I appreciated it
because it was Brian to Palma, but

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also because it's such an homage to
Alfred Hitchcock. I think that's one of

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the reasons I like it a whole
lot. It is a great balance of

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that. And as much as I'm
you know, setting this up to sound

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like a you know, almost porn
kind of flick, and it's not,

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there's a there's a significant amount of
nudity. There's significant amount of sexuality in

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this movie. There's a lot of
controversy that comes up with this movie,

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you know, in terms of violence
towards women and you know, exploitation kind

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of things and all this other kind
of stuff. But there's just as much

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of the the shots that have that
beautiful composition and using the entire scene to

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represent the chase, and just inventive
ways to to use the camera the way

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that Hitchcock did. As much as
you can kind of see certain shots where

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he's mimicking Hitchcock, you can also
see him emulating what Hitchcock was going for

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and pushing it forward, which is
something I appreciate. Beat him. Okay,

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so let's get into this cast.
Melanie Griffith as Holly Body. She

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plays the porn star in the movie. Not our first time talking about Melanie

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Griffith in a thriller, because Dayton
Johnson from the Docking Base seventy seventh podcasts,

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he was here in August and we
were talking about Pacific Heights. Oddly

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enough, this is this is kind
of the movie that makes her career though.

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She meets Dipoma through her then husband
Stephen Bauer, who had befriended Dipoma

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during the making a Scarface. You
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know, main actors in Scarface.
She claims that body double is the reason

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she got something wild and working girl. She she says it herself, this

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is the movie that made her interesting. And Pauma himself, you know,

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he even says, Hey, look
for all the critical drumming that this movie

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got, for all the hate that
it got, the one thing that everyone

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agrees on is Melanie Griffith. Yeah, that's true. And I mean you

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can see how this was probably a
fairly risky movie to make, and it's

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one that earned her a Golden Globe
nomination. Yeah, what did think about

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this before? Melanie Tatum, O'Neill, Jamie Lee Curtis, and Carrie Fisher

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all audition, but they turn it
down due to the excessive nudity. The

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roles then offered to Linda Hamilton.
She turns it down because she decides that

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she'd rather do a low budget sci
fi movie. You know what that one

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was, right? Oh? The
Terminator, the Terminator, Yeah, yeah,

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I think the right Yeah they yeah, she made Yeah, she made

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the right call. But that at
this point, Di Palma is like,

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is just thinking, you know what, I'm going to hire a legitimate adult

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film actress because that's the only type
of actress that can handle this kind of

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this kind of nudity, this kind
of bravery. But Melanie meanwhile is campaigning

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for the role. The Palma is
warning her it's going to ruin her career,

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and like you said, she wins
the Best Supporting Actress at the Golden

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Globes. But you know, looking
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was taking it seriously, you know, not getting into the role as somebody

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who is going to be exploited or
somebody who is going to be kind of

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maybe kind of a more of a
ditzy role. Right, She was very

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much somebody who was level headed,
knew what industry that she's in, knew

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what career she was working toward,
what kind of career goal she was working

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toward, and what she wanted from
it. She knew exactly what she wanted

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in a contract, she knew she
was getting into, she knew what steps

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to take to to be safe in
making some of those decisions. So it

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seems like she was taking that presentation
seriously and not just fitting into a role

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where she happens to be naked.
And I respect that, and I think

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that's a lot of what went into
that Golden Globe nomination, that she was

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brave enough to step into that kind
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Yeah, because I mean, she
spent some time with adult film actresses,

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and in interviews she's even said,
Look, my my goal was to

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represent these women as strong and smart, not ditzy, not dumb blond's,

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you know, and and above all
I didn't want them to I didn't want

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it. I didn't want the new
peer trashy. So right, right,

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she's she's fantastic in the film.
Certainly smarter than the lead actor. The

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lead man in this movie, Jake, played by You want to talk about

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Craig Watson, let's get into it. I like this guy. Uh,

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he does Ghost Story in nineteen eighty
one. You would have thought he would

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have broke out from that, but
he didn't. He's probably most well known

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for a nightmare I'm street three Dream
Warriors. Absolutely, you said that.

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You said that yourself when we when
we first talked about this movie. That's

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my connection with Craig Watson. You
know, I see his face and I

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cannot not think of Dream Warriors,
which I've seen way too many times.

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Yeah. Well, he's good in
that too, you know. Yeah,

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he's Neil. Yeah. Yeah.
And you know not that he's not doing

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a good job in this movie.
I don't. I don't want to say

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that. It's just his character of
Jake. There are times when he makes

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the decision. It's like, come
on, Jake, you've got to be

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sweater than this. Yeah, I
honestly don't understand. Now, with all

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respect to Craig Watson, he's had
a very long and successful career. You

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know, he's done a lot of
TV. He's done he's done some movies,

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I never understood why he didn't.
He didn't break though, like he

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didn't become more of a known known
actor. You could argue, probably his

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biggest movie but but smallest role is
Malcolm X. You know, he lands

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a Spike Lee movie and he plays
the TV host but lots of TV over

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the years. Scott, you probably
recognize him from one of your favorite shows

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he played well Okay, yeah he
wasn't Mash But I'm talking about you know,

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for all, for all the all
the work you guys do over on

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our Star Trek limited series, I
thought you would have recognized him as a

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as a char from Star Trek Deep
Space nine. No, not as much,

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not as much, although I'm a
big DS nine fan, and I'm

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sure that when I saw you know, his character on the screen, it

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immediately, it immediately took me back
to Dream Warriors, and I think it

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always will as much as think you
know, I'm gonna have a hard time

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not seeing him in his billy idol, twisted sister mash up makeup for vampire's

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kiss or his gigantic gaping mouth whenever
he's you know, filling the claustrophobia that

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that's that's burned into my brain.
I know, I know. One thing's

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got to be burning in your brain. He did a music video, Have

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Me Arrested? I sent this to
you, But reactions to this music video,

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which is just quintessential poor production MTV
video so cringey, especially the last

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scene where he's getting like, you
know, I've finished the song now I'm

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gonna pan back to the camera,
given a deep, deep look. I'm

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just like body. Oh buddy,
how about how about the newscaster he keeps

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seeing on TV? Yeah, it's
it's Banya from Sidefeld. Right, let's

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go. Let's gold, Let's gold. What is he doing here? Oh

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man? Listeners, please go to
YouTube do a search for Craig Watson Have

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Me Arrested? This video? You
just gotta see it, and let's see

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it once. Just see it once. Don't give that your worm to yourself.

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You know, we were talking about
the some of the actresses that were

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up for the role of Hollybody.
I think we can agree that Melanie Griffith

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was the best choice. Yes,
do you know who was originally considered for

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the role of Scully? Who's that? Kurt Russell? H could you see

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Kurt Russell in this role? No? No, why. No, I'm

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not disagreeing with you. I'm just
I'm just curious about your So he was

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up for the role of Scully apparently, so he was considered for the role.

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I don't know, now that I'm
thinking about it, maybe that would

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have worked, But I don't know. If I could see him doing the

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claustrophobia thing, I could see him
doing that. I could see him struggling

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with that, but also being the
hero I see him. I don't.

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I don't see Kurt doing the smarminess
that Jake Scully has. I don't see

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him doing, like when he's in
the acting class and he's going through that

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exercise, the sardine exercise. Yeah, I don't see Kurt pulling that off.

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Yeah. I mean there's there's kind
of a pathetic aspect to Scully and

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yeah, you know a lack of
confidence that I don't think you would be

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able to get from Kurt Rose.
That's it. Let's move on. Greg

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Henry as Sam among other characters.
This guy, so, he's worked with

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the Palma on Scarface, Body Double
Casual because of War Raising Kine and the

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Black Dahlia. He's one of a
few of the Palma's go to guys.

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He's a he's a huge that guy
though. I mean, the guy's got

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like over one hundred eighty credits again, lots of top lots lots of TV

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Scott Again. You probably recognize him
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Enterprise Insurrection. Yes, I think
my My immediate reaction is payback. Yeah,

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Mel gives his payback. Yep.
Now, I didn't know that.

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That actually kind of skewed my watch
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saw him, especially in the acting
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and he's really looking intensely at Jake, I was like, Oh, he's

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plotting something. This guy's gonna end
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something, and he's going to use
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because of my you know, seeing
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that he had some shift to going, oh, okay, I see what

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you're say. So another role that
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him. That's interesting. Yeah,
you know, nowadays he's known as Grandpa

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Quill though and the Guardians of the
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why. It's just in that scene. I had that association with his role

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in Payback. Well, in this
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parts and without giving away the surprise. What do you think about his performance.

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I think he did a great job. I think even in the Driller

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Killer makeup, I could see it
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pretty easily. But I think he
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duplicitous kind of idea where he's he's
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your buddy, but then he's also
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just menacing. I think, especially
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roughing her up, that's what took
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role. But he absolutely devours the
scenery when he's in there. I did

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kind of feel like one of the
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Killer is trying to find a place
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and she's slowly backing away, which
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right, Like he's got this thing
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cord. And at one point it
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like a It felt more funny to
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ahh he came unplugged and they both
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well, what do we do now? She happens, you know,

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she takes advantage of it, gets
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plugs it back in and obviously does
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was That was kind of an interesting
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without giving away the surprise, what
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And your response you you finger him
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and the buddy. The cat is
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Scott. Sorry it's nineteen eighty four. Oh shit. I guess I thought,

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you know, maybe someone's like,
hey, I'm gonna check this movie

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out, you know, because it's
a it's a pretty cool reveal at the

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end when you find out that the
driller Killer is in fact Sam, So,

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do you want me to do a
take? Right? I don't reveal

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No, I can get back into
it. Okay, So much for that.

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Let's all right, All the cards
are on the table. Now moving

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on. Debrah Shelton as Ah the
thim Fatale Gloria, the victim of the

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driller Killer. She's Miss Usa nineteen
seventy. She auditions and loses against Smaud

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Adams for the role of Octopussy in
nineteen eighty three. Yep, and as

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you as you threw caution to the
win and told us what happens, she

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does receive one of the most brutal
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got. Honestly, not seeing it
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I think it's because your your brain
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the worst possible scenario with only a
few hints. Small role for him,

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but always fun to see him.
Dennis frowns playing uh the director, Ruben,

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because we got a we got a
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You know, Jake's a struggling actor. As you said, he's on this

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Vampire's Kiss movie. Dennis Franz has
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to Kill, blow Out, Scarface
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or actually before Body double. After
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makes it kind of big, you
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and I know NYPD Blue isn't too
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as a favor to DiPalma, and
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he can play the director as Dipoma. Did you know that? Yeah,

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I've heard that. Yeah. When
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there was a scene where they were
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talking about, you know, wardrobe, what do you want to look like?

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What kind of director you do want
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at DiPalma, like that guy right
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from him. Well, and they
did more than that. The Dipoma gives

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him clothes. Yeah, so like
the uh like that Safari jacket he's wearing,

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that's the Palma's jacket. Yeah,
yeah, I love I love that

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Palmas Like, yeah, you want
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is he the DiPalma of that universe
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the future. Well, it's an
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little bit of of a meta aspect
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movie. Critics slammed it. But
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I was talking with Jason and d
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We're going over Last Action Hero,
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yeah, he got slammed, Critics
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little bit ahead of its time,
you know, for the for the meta

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commentary that it had. I think
that's kind of going on here with the

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Palma, because he's kind of when
you watch this movie, he actually I

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think he's kind of poking a little
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the Dennis Franz character. He's poking
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and he's he's poking fun. He's
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this is what working Hollywood looks like. So I think it's a good point

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you make there, and the sensibilities
and the things he had to fight with

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Scarface, you know, having to
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right, Yeah, and he just
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away from everything. Yeah, especially
that last scene the I don't know.

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Let's let's i'll tell you what.
I'll tell you, I'll tell you what.

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Why don't we hold off on that
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I do want to talk about a
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We're gonna test your your knowledge here, your your eighties knowledge. Scott.

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All right, So Carol, Jake's
X that you that he you know?

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He comes home, he has a
bad down set, comes home,

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just surprises his girlfriend, catches her
in bed with another guy. Did you

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happen to see did you? Oh? Yeah, did you happen to see

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who that that actress was? Though
I recognize the face, but I can't

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place her name? Is that Barbara
Crampton? Yeah? You better not be

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cheating and looking looking this stuff up? Of course, don't cheat, don't

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cheat you here. That's that's Barbara
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yeah. We love Barbara Crampton obviously, you know from Beyond Chopping Mall Reanimator.

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Yeah, yeah, absolutely, adore
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it's great to see her in this
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It's like, oh, Carol,
really you got Jake bad? What

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she does. Great to see her
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it was great to see her.
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the set of Vampire's Kiss, Jake, gets fired. This guy kind of

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walks him out. Did you recognize
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don't remember his name? All right, Well it's Larry Flash Jenkins. You

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recognize his face though, oh Ferris
Bueller. Yeah, yes, yes he

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was. He was one of the
guys in the lot that that stole the

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Ferrari exactly. And we still want
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Larry, Well, it's gonna happen. I'm sure ye. Well,

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fans mister Jenkins would also recognize him. He played the beach junkie Gummy in

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a Fletch. Yep, that's right, that's right. So there's there's one

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more famous voice. I know how
you got one? You got one for

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me? I know his I know
his voice from countless Things, and I

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was shocked to hear that he's in
this the voice of Raphael on Teenage Mutant

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Turtles Really, who was also the
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and Jacko and Animaniacs. Rob Paulson, what okay? What who is he

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in this movie? I definitely missed
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the Frankie Frankie goes, Oh Frankie
Frankie goes a Hollywood segment. Okay,

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yeah, yeah, I do want
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to talk about that in a little
bit. But Okay, that's one line

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that I won't quote. But when
I recognized Rob Paul said, I was

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like, Rob said, this really
one line, one line that you won't

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quote a certain shot. Yes,
okay, say no more? Yeah,

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right at the end of the thing. Okay, right, because that's what

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we would do, is keep this
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Sure, Oh Jesus, I'll tell
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break here from our friends at Doom
Generation, and when we get back,

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well, we'll get into the film's
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the production. Sound good? God, did you grow up with a lack

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as we stumble blindly through the memories
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doomed us to be the salty,
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Let's talk a little bit about how
this movie gets made. The Palma

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gets the idea for the film after
working with Angie Dickinson's body double on Dressed

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to Kill because there's a very long, awkward shower scene in that film.

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I don't know if you've seen Dressed
to Kill. I know we haven't got

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the photography yet, but Dickinson was
not doing a lot of what you see

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in that scene. So yeah,
he kind of he kind of got into

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you know, he's he's basically he's
having to give direction to the body double

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and what to do and how to
do it, which which which is awkward.

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But he gets the idea from that
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and he becomes determined to make the
first X rated mainstream Hollywood movie with non

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simulated sex. And this is kind
of a throwback, you know you were

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saying, you know, you're kind
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he had with the sensors. They
kept delivering an X rating for every cut

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that he was offering, and very
frustrating for him. Yeah, Coca Cola,

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who owns calling me pictures at the
time, they had other ideas there,

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so they put a stop to his
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do kind of wonder I'm not sure
at what point in the production they finally

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pulled the plug on that. Like
we've already talked about him having kind of

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casting holes with pornographic actresses on the
set. If it's if it goes all

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the way past casting, if that's
something that was on the table when he

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was talking to Melan and Griffith,
I can't imagine it would be because that

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feels like it would be a show
stopper. But yeah, I remember seeing

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a quote from him saying, if
this one doesn't get an X, nothing

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I ever do is going to This
is going to be the most erotic and

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surprising and thrilling movie I know how
to make. I'm going to give them

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everything they hate and more of it
than they've ever seen. They think Scarface

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was violent, they think my other
movies were erotic, wait till they see

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Body Double. I just want to
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this moment, because I'm looking at
my notes and I've got that exact diploma

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quote teed up to deliver to you, and you just gave it. So

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I love that. No, do
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it takes place in New York,
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he decides to move the story Hollywood, you know, which I think is

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the right decision. I mean,
when you think about a lot of the

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pivotal scenes that come to mind for
me, the the mall kind of the

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walking pursuit scene, and the beach
cabanas, if I'm if I'm saying it

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right, those kind of dressing rooms
on the beach. Yep, you could

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find those, you know, in
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think, you know, it's a
little bit more iconic to have it in

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in LA And it definitely uses one
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chemosphere. Without doubt, this is
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and I I don't I honestly don't
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used more often. I mean,
to date, it's been in an Outer

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Limits episode, it's been in that
George Clooney Disney movie Tomorrowland, and it

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oddly enough it inspired the house from
Charlie's Angels in two thousand, but they

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didn't use the house. Interesting.
Uh, this thing looks like the space

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needle. It's it's a fascinating design
by architect John Laudner, and things like

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this inspired. If it looks slightly
familiar, it inspired things like Tony Stark's

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house in the Iron Man movies.
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you see this house, It just
looks like it's from the future. Yeah,

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yeah, absolutely, well, talking
about other futuristic looking things, it's

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not about Frankie goes to Hollywood.
This might be one of the most memorable

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scenes in this film. Yeah,
definitely one of the most iconic. I

404
00:30:26.279 --> 00:30:32.400
mean that the song that's featured in
here Relax. I don't remember seeing the

405
00:30:32.480 --> 00:30:36.759
music video at all. Yeah.
So Di Palma had been watching a lot

406
00:30:36.799 --> 00:30:41.480
of MTV to inspire a Jim Morrison
script he was working on. Someone at

407
00:30:41.519 --> 00:30:45.799
Columbia turns him on too relax by
Frankie goes to Hollywood and he decides,

408
00:30:45.839 --> 00:30:48.160
you know what, I'm going to
shoot their music video, and then the

409
00:30:48.240 --> 00:30:52.200
music video basically becomes part of you
know, we got this movie within a

410
00:30:52.240 --> 00:30:59.079
movie, a set of happening.
So when Jake goes undercover to work in

411
00:30:59.119 --> 00:31:02.119
the porn industry, you know,
just to get to Hollybody and you know,

412
00:31:02.240 --> 00:31:06.960
start working on unraveling the mystery.
He's in this scene with the band.

413
00:31:06.960 --> 00:31:10.400
The band is in the movie.
Yeah, it's in its entirety,

414
00:31:10.599 --> 00:31:15.119
and it's a fascinating scene because you're
you're watching this and Scott, this was

415
00:31:15.160 --> 00:31:17.680
your first time watching. So I
have to ask you are you seeing this

416
00:31:17.720 --> 00:31:19.160
and wondering like, okay, are
we in a dream sequence? Is this

417
00:31:19.240 --> 00:31:23.720
really happening? What's going on here? It definitely seemed like a dream sequence.

418
00:31:23.759 --> 00:31:29.000
Like when I first see Scully walking
onto the scene, it looks like

419
00:31:29.079 --> 00:31:34.160
he's in Rocky Horror Picture Show.
When they first landed doctor Frankenfurter's castle,

420
00:31:34.880 --> 00:31:38.119
he looks totally out of place.
He's got his argyle sweater, the glasses,

421
00:31:38.759 --> 00:31:42.680
you know, and this is a
big shift from you know, I

422
00:31:42.680 --> 00:31:48.680
think the scene prior he's in the
casting director's office, basically doing an audition,

423
00:31:48.960 --> 00:31:52.720
and then you cut to this,
so it almost seems like maybe it's

424
00:31:52.720 --> 00:31:56.720
happening in Jake's head. It almost
seems fake, or it seems pretty dreamlike

425
00:31:56.960 --> 00:32:00.839
until you see the camera crew in
the mirror, and that pretty well solidifies

426
00:32:00.880 --> 00:32:04.319
that, like, Okay, this
is really happening. He's making the movie.

427
00:32:04.400 --> 00:32:07.799
If this risk A Nightclub looks familiar
to you, it's because the exact

428
00:32:07.839 --> 00:32:10.960
same set was used a year later
in Tom Holland's Fright Night. Interesting.

429
00:32:12.319 --> 00:32:19.039
Yeah, interesting, but more interesting. MTV sensors unwilling to play the video

430
00:32:19.079 --> 00:32:22.640
due to its adult content. Oh
yeah, ironically, though you said you've

431
00:32:22.680 --> 00:32:28.839
never seen the video. Ironically,
what becomes the band's official video isn't really

432
00:32:28.839 --> 00:32:32.200
any less team or suggestive, right. If anything, it's a little more

433
00:32:32.319 --> 00:32:37.079
like WHOA. Yeah, I definitely
can't see the Frankie Say Relaxed T shirt

434
00:32:37.359 --> 00:32:42.200
without thinking of the scene. So
it's it's one of the it's one of

435
00:32:42.240 --> 00:32:45.720
the the biggest songs of the eighties. Yeah, and it's you know,

436
00:32:45.759 --> 00:32:52.960
it's a better ear room to have
than Craig Watson's Unforgettable single. So not

437
00:32:52.039 --> 00:32:55.720
a fan for having me arrested.
Huh, not so much, Scott.

438
00:32:55.759 --> 00:32:59.480
Let's talk about the pivotal scene here, you know, and kind of like

439
00:32:59.519 --> 00:33:01.680
on seventies, you know, we
talked about the the underrated moment, you

440
00:33:01.720 --> 00:33:06.119
know, pivol scene. Probably not
the climax, but not the most important

441
00:33:06.160 --> 00:33:09.079
scene, but something that makes you
think, Wow, this movie's going places.

442
00:33:10.279 --> 00:33:15.559
You got one. I'm thinking of
the beach scene. Okay, that's

443
00:33:15.640 --> 00:33:19.640
that's my scene. Let's talk about
it. It is a little odd.

444
00:33:19.640 --> 00:33:24.559
You've got this main character who's essentially
creepily stalking this lady to try to protect

445
00:33:24.599 --> 00:33:31.160
her from somebody else who is creepily
stalking her, and walks, you know,

446
00:33:31.519 --> 00:33:36.440
onto the beach, sees the driller
killer running toward the beaches. She's

447
00:33:36.480 --> 00:33:42.160
going there. They have this interesting
kind of cuts between this, a few

448
00:33:42.279 --> 00:33:45.400
rows of cabanas on the beach and
you kind of see this blurry shape that's

449
00:33:45.519 --> 00:33:50.880
moving in between them. And it's
the first time that he really talks to

450
00:33:50.960 --> 00:33:55.640
her and I lets her know she's
in danger. Yeah. I think this

451
00:33:55.720 --> 00:34:02.960
is Jake's hero moment because he approaches
Gloria. He immediately jumps to action when

452
00:34:02.960 --> 00:34:07.719
your purse is stolen, but ultimately
he shows his vulnerability in the tunnel,

453
00:34:08.599 --> 00:34:16.079
and I gotta tell you for for
all the reasons, twelve year old Jeff

454
00:34:16.079 --> 00:34:22.360
min I loved watching this movie.
I can also tell you the driller Killer,

455
00:34:22.880 --> 00:34:27.440
especially in that tunnel scene, it
was he was terrifying. Really,

456
00:34:27.960 --> 00:34:32.519
I just well, you know,
so Di Palma, who incidentally hates this.

457
00:34:34.480 --> 00:34:37.599
He hated the chase on the beach. You know, I'll get one

458
00:34:37.639 --> 00:34:40.119
to get that in a second.
But when Jake freezes up against the wall

459
00:34:40.239 --> 00:34:45.920
like halfway through the tunnel because of
the claustrophobias hitting him, DePalma's using these

460
00:34:45.000 --> 00:34:52.800
Dutch angles where the camera's kind of
slowly spinning yep, and you know Jake

461
00:34:52.960 --> 00:34:54.960
is just frozen in fear. And
I don't know, I don't know if

462
00:34:54.960 --> 00:34:59.880
you've ever felt claustrophobia or you know
anyone that that's that that has it.

463
00:35:00.559 --> 00:35:02.800
I can tell you when we did
uh, we did confinement training for the

464
00:35:02.800 --> 00:35:06.960
fire department. We had to do, you know, they you know,

465
00:35:07.159 --> 00:35:10.719
chief basically said, if you're not
claustrophobic, that's good. If you don't

466
00:35:10.719 --> 00:35:15.440
know that you are, you're about
to find out because the exercises they put

467
00:35:15.440 --> 00:35:19.480
you through when you're in these tight, dark, confined spaces and you can't

468
00:35:19.559 --> 00:35:22.559
move around and your ear it's it's
a little scary, and I you know,

469
00:35:22.880 --> 00:35:27.880
I saw quite a few people absolutely
freak out after like two minutes of

470
00:35:27.880 --> 00:35:29.400
it. They couldn't you know,
and they found out, Hey, I

471
00:35:29.440 --> 00:35:35.119
am claustrophobic. YEA, so great
scene. It tells us a lot about

472
00:35:35.199 --> 00:35:38.719
Jake, I think. And as
for that that chasing the beach, you

473
00:35:38.719 --> 00:35:42.039
know, like I said, the
Palma hates it because he couldn't find a

474
00:35:42.079 --> 00:35:45.440
way to shoot it with intensity.
The scene, it starts with something that

475
00:35:45.519 --> 00:35:50.119
I smile at now, I kind
of I kind of chuckle when I'm seeing

476
00:35:50.239 --> 00:35:53.519
him chase the driller cirl on the
beach, because I immediately think of Rocky

477
00:35:53.559 --> 00:35:59.840
three with Rocky and Apollo running on
the beach. You see the training I

478
00:36:00.079 --> 00:36:04.280
see the training way. Yeah,
I definitely see Connor McCloud and Ramirez and

479
00:36:04.320 --> 00:36:07.719
how Highlander running on the beach.
You're here gonna fly now kind of yeah

480
00:36:07.840 --> 00:36:12.000
in the background. Yeah, yeah, it's just uh so it starts off

481
00:36:12.039 --> 00:36:17.559
kind of corny, gets real scary, but then Scott this this scene ends

482
00:36:17.840 --> 00:36:23.559
with what might be the most cringe
eiest kiss of all time that's ever been

483
00:36:24.920 --> 00:36:30.320
and that's that's one of the things
you're talking about dream sequences. It seems

484
00:36:30.360 --> 00:36:35.760
so unrealistic, absolutely aside from the
fact that he's like, I've been stalking

485
00:36:35.760 --> 00:36:37.639
you for a while and I've I've
seen this other guy that is stalking It's

486
00:36:37.639 --> 00:36:42.559
okay, I'm the good one,
he's the bad one. Yeah, but

487
00:36:42.599 --> 00:36:45.480
I've had this heroic moment of you
know, almost saving your purse. I

488
00:36:45.800 --> 00:36:51.239
think it's an interesting use of the
the scene, she kind of leads him

489
00:36:51.280 --> 00:36:54.400
out of the tunnel and she's kind
of comforting him and you know, getting

490
00:36:54.440 --> 00:36:59.639
him too a place where he can
finally breathe. He's not feeling that dizziness.

491
00:37:00.000 --> 00:37:05.039
He's finally kind of woken himself up
out of it. And they have

492
00:37:05.519 --> 00:37:07.480
this exchange you know, do I
know you from somewhere And he's like,

493
00:37:07.559 --> 00:37:12.480
no, you don't really. But
they lean in and not just kiss,

494
00:37:12.840 --> 00:37:17.360
but start like full on making out
this three hundred and sixty degree pan all

495
00:37:17.400 --> 00:37:22.239
the way around them, which I
know is another nomage shot to Hitchcock,

496
00:37:22.880 --> 00:37:27.000
But man, was it awkward.
I mean he's just like pawing at her

497
00:37:27.039 --> 00:37:30.760
and like, yeah, he's like
the groping. It's just yeah, it's

498
00:37:30.760 --> 00:37:34.639
just it doesn't work, you know. It seems unrealistic. And I thought

499
00:37:34.639 --> 00:37:36.840
it was all in his head that
he had just passed out and that's what

500
00:37:36.880 --> 00:37:38.800
he's imagining. And she's like,
hello, buddy, that would have made

501
00:37:38.800 --> 00:37:43.159
more sense, you know. But
I'll tell you that when they when they

502
00:37:43.159 --> 00:37:46.239
are doing it, like the composer
has this, I'm gonna call it like

503
00:37:46.239 --> 00:37:52.119
this the voyeur theme. Every time
he's watching her through the telescope and anytime

504
00:37:52.119 --> 00:37:54.960
he surround her. Is it just
me? Or is it it sound a

505
00:37:55.000 --> 00:38:00.639
little like Harold Foultemeyer, Like it's
got a little bit of that Beverly Hills

506
00:38:00.639 --> 00:38:05.840
cop act fully? Yeah? Does
this? Was it? Okay? So

507
00:38:06.079 --> 00:38:07.519
I don't know if that's just me
or not, but I can see that,

508
00:38:09.039 --> 00:38:13.840
you know. I don't want to
get off topic here, but there

509
00:38:13.920 --> 00:38:21.400
is one cameo we forgot to mention
back at the mall. O oh oh

510
00:38:21.519 --> 00:38:22.960
yeah, yes, yes, yeah, because you text me all excited.

511
00:38:23.440 --> 00:38:29.440
Yeah, I'm blanking here. Oh
as soon as I saw uh this actress.

512
00:38:29.840 --> 00:38:32.599
Yeah, so yeah, we ah, you know, he's kind of

513
00:38:34.559 --> 00:38:40.559
Jake's kind of falling Gloria around.
There's this really pervy moment where she's in

514
00:38:40.840 --> 00:38:49.280
like some kind of lingerie store and
he's watching her from outside. But the

515
00:38:47.639 --> 00:38:53.639
h the sales the sales lady is
a little little lax with how she shuts

516
00:38:53.679 --> 00:38:58.639
the curtain. Yep, that sales
lady though, Scott, Yeah, that

517
00:38:58.800 --> 00:39:01.920
very distinctive look. And I was
like, is that Gozer? And sure

518
00:39:02.440 --> 00:39:09.039
it's Slovizza. Jovina was playing this
shop clerk who finally stops him in his

519
00:39:09.039 --> 00:39:14.360
his creepy stalking walk, which I
can't believe they got that far without her

520
00:39:14.360 --> 00:39:19.079
turning around and being like what but
what is it like? You'll send somebody

521
00:39:19.079 --> 00:39:22.199
behind you? This is this is
the moment where we want Goeser the Gozarian

522
00:39:22.239 --> 00:39:27.039
to succeed. Yes, yes,
so she called it. She calls bolts

523
00:39:27.039 --> 00:39:30.000
out, Yeah, she calls Martin, she calls mall security. She's like,

524
00:39:30.039 --> 00:39:31.880
hey, we got a problem here, go full emperor. Yeah.

525
00:39:31.920 --> 00:39:37.119
I've never seen Gozer not be Gozer. I was interested to see when I

526
00:39:37.159 --> 00:39:42.119
was kind of looking that up scene. What else she's been in the lines

527
00:39:42.159 --> 00:39:47.679
that Slovizza spoke as Gozer in Ghostbusters. Yeah, we're spoken by Patty Edwards,

528
00:39:49.719 --> 00:39:53.119
who was the secretary in Halloween three
season of The Witch. Oh wow.

529
00:39:53.599 --> 00:39:57.760
And also did the voices for Flotsam
and Jetsam in The Little Mermaid,

530
00:39:58.559 --> 00:40:00.760
which, now that I think about
it, sounds exactly the same. I

531
00:40:00.760 --> 00:40:06.119
had no idea. Yeah, So
it's great to see Gozer. Great to

532
00:40:06.119 --> 00:40:08.880
see Gozer. Scott. Let's take
one more break. Speaking of Goser,

533
00:40:08.960 --> 00:40:13.599
let's hear from our buddies over the
All Eighties Movie Podcast, And when we

534
00:40:13.639 --> 00:40:15.880
get back, maybe you can tell
us a little bit about Brian DePalma.

535
00:40:21.079 --> 00:40:25.119
Welcome to the All Eighties Movies Podcast. I'm Bill and I'm Jason, and

536
00:40:25.199 --> 00:40:29.800
this is the podcast where we talk
about the blockbusters, the flops, and

537
00:40:29.920 --> 00:40:34.440
everything in between from one of the
freshest decades for movies, the nineteen eighties.

538
00:40:34.800 --> 00:40:37.039
So whether you're a brain, a
jock, a valley girl, or

539
00:40:37.079 --> 00:40:42.639
a Jedi, we've got some Eighties
classics for you to These movies stand the

540
00:40:42.639 --> 00:40:45.719
test of time. Are we discovering
something new? Is there an Eighties movie

541
00:40:45.800 --> 00:40:50.159
we are finally watching for the first
time. Join us each week as we

542
00:40:50.239 --> 00:40:54.360
dive into the cinematic nostalgia that inspired
and influenced a generation, from the hits

543
00:40:54.400 --> 00:40:59.760
to the cult classics. We'll discuss
our earliest memories, favorite scenes, fun

544
00:41:00.039 --> 00:41:02.480
acts, and are not some favored
movie moments too. You can find me

545
00:41:02.639 --> 00:41:07.159
all Eighties Movies podcast. Whoever you
listen to your podcast, please subscribe and

546
00:41:07.280 --> 00:41:20.400
happy listening. We are back Scott. What can you tell me about Brian

547
00:41:20.440 --> 00:41:22.400
de Palmer, Well, I can
tell you. He was born in September

548
00:41:22.400 --> 00:41:27.800
eleventh in nineteen forty in Philadelphia,
raised in a house that was filled with

549
00:41:28.000 --> 00:41:32.679
a bit of turmoil. His father
was an orthopedic surgeon, and apparently there

550
00:41:32.760 --> 00:41:38.400
was a bit of kind of disquiet
in his house growing up. Before starting

551
00:41:38.400 --> 00:41:43.880
a career in film, he focused
on more scientific ventures. He was studying

552
00:41:43.920 --> 00:41:50.159
physics, Russian and math at Columbia
University, and as shocking as it may

553
00:41:50.239 --> 00:41:53.159
seem, he wasn't really interested in
movies until he discovered them while studying at

554
00:41:53.159 --> 00:41:59.760
Columbia. That was around the avant
garde film crazes coming out of France.

555
00:42:00.360 --> 00:42:04.519
They were seeing a lot of new
things happening coming out of Europe and it

556
00:42:04.559 --> 00:42:07.960
caught his attention. But he noticed
that there was no place to study film

557
00:42:07.119 --> 00:42:13.400
at Columbia. He joined a cinema
society that featured a few short films and

558
00:42:13.440 --> 00:42:19.559
won an award for an early feature
called Wooten's Wake, and in sixty two

559
00:42:19.639 --> 00:42:23.039
then switched to Sarah Lawrence College as
a graduate student and one of the first

560
00:42:23.039 --> 00:42:28.840
male students in their theater department.
Doesn't wait, he said, he's one

561
00:42:28.840 --> 00:42:31.039
of the first. I was just
saying because I thought Sarah Lawrence was like

562
00:42:31.039 --> 00:42:37.159
an all and when it was college, it was all women's college, but

563
00:42:37.159 --> 00:42:39.239
then it switched to co ed.
Oh wow, okay, and he's one

564
00:42:39.280 --> 00:42:43.000
of the first. YEP, way
to go, Way to Go. Brian

565
00:42:43.039 --> 00:42:45.519
to Palma. One year later,
with support from his theater professor, he

566
00:42:45.639 --> 00:42:50.039
enters the world of independent film as
a co writer, co director and co

567
00:42:50.159 --> 00:42:54.920
producer of The Wedding Party, which
started a very young and very undiscovered Robert

568
00:42:54.960 --> 00:43:00.159
de Niro in his first movie.
It's crazy to see him in Black Can

569
00:43:00.199 --> 00:43:02.599
Wait. But he's he's full DeNiro. He's very young, but full DeNiro.

570
00:43:04.559 --> 00:43:07.599
Wow, this is so, this
is way younger than what DeNiro and

571
00:43:07.639 --> 00:43:09.960
mean streets or taxi driver. Then
oh, absolutely, absolutely, yeah,

572
00:43:10.039 --> 00:43:13.800
he's got to see that kind of
a crew cut. It's very interesting to

573
00:43:13.840 --> 00:43:17.920
see. Several more projects would follow, which he used to earn a living

574
00:43:19.079 --> 00:43:22.719
by producing documentary films. He'd team
up with the Nero again twice more with

575
00:43:22.760 --> 00:43:28.119
the film's Greetings and High Mom.
Now this is past the black and white

576
00:43:28.159 --> 00:43:30.119
era. This is a little bit
more kind of that that Beatles kind of

577
00:43:30.159 --> 00:43:37.119
era. But both of those earned
him more than an income. He began

578
00:43:37.159 --> 00:43:42.119
to bither began to gather a lot
of acclaim from film festivals that would take

579
00:43:42.199 --> 00:43:45.840
him from New York to Hollywood by
the age of thirty. It's just crazy

580
00:43:45.840 --> 00:43:50.480
to think of. That's a very
fast careers, a whole lot to happen

581
00:43:50.519 --> 00:43:57.000
before you're thirty. Absolutely so along
the way he became part of that movement

582
00:43:57.000 --> 00:44:00.599
we've talked about before, the New
Hollywood generation in the seventies. Oh yeah,

583
00:44:00.719 --> 00:44:06.719
we talked about Horan, We talked
about that was it Harold Becker on

584
00:44:06.760 --> 00:44:10.639
the Malics episode Yep, yep,
Okay, yeah, New Hollywood. So

585
00:44:10.679 --> 00:44:15.400
that's like, you got all these
Maverick filmmakers. You know, you got

586
00:44:15.639 --> 00:44:19.639
who was it? You got,
you got Becker, you got the Palma,

587
00:44:19.719 --> 00:44:24.760
you got Scorsese, Spielberg, I
think, Coppola and George Lucas yep,

588
00:44:24.960 --> 00:44:29.000
yep, And they're all they're all
kind of change in Hollywood. Absolutely.

589
00:44:29.079 --> 00:44:32.760
Yeah. It was this group that
there's a film critic, Pauline Kale

590
00:44:32.920 --> 00:44:38.800
that coined the term the movie brats, and De Palma, like you said,

591
00:44:38.880 --> 00:44:43.119
was hanging around with Steven Spielberg,
Martin Scorsese, Franz of Ford,

592
00:44:43.159 --> 00:44:45.559
Coppola, George Lucas, and they're
all bouncing ideas off of each other.

593
00:44:45.599 --> 00:44:52.639
It's not necessarily the studios in charge. It's a time when movies were redefining

594
00:44:52.840 --> 00:44:58.599
conventional filmmaking by defying those conventions,
right, taking more kind of personal control.

595
00:45:00.639 --> 00:45:04.719
Well. As much as I would
love to talk about his full philmography,

596
00:45:05.199 --> 00:45:07.800
I know we don't have the time
because he's we're talking about forty two

597
00:45:07.800 --> 00:45:12.559
movies and then some If you don't
mind, let's let's kind of let's kind

598
00:45:12.599 --> 00:45:16.519
of play the hits if you will. Scott Okay, now I know he

599
00:45:16.599 --> 00:45:21.639
kind of he moves to Hollywood to
do get to Know your Rabbit with Orson

600
00:45:21.719 --> 00:45:23.800
Wells. I haven't seen it.
Have you seen it? I have not.

601
00:45:23.840 --> 00:45:27.960
I've only seen some clips of it. It's interesting though that at the

602
00:45:28.000 --> 00:45:32.039
time Tom Smothers, the Smothers Brothers, was getting a little bit of heat

603
00:45:32.079 --> 00:45:37.119
and had stepped away from his show
because of a lot of his anti war

604
00:45:37.800 --> 00:45:42.519
sentiments, and they were working together
on this movie with Orson Wells. He

605
00:45:42.559 --> 00:45:46.960
had kind of an interesting experience with
Orson not really learning his lines. Kind

606
00:45:46.960 --> 00:45:52.599
of reminds me of Marlon Brando on
Superman. But I was also interested to

607
00:45:52.679 --> 00:45:58.400
learn that our nineteen eighty six MVP
is in that movie and get to know

608
00:45:58.480 --> 00:46:01.280
your rabbit. Yeah, m Walsh, Ah, that's right. But you

609
00:46:01.280 --> 00:46:05.239
know, I thought we'd give that
to Charlie Sheen, but I think we

610
00:46:05.280 --> 00:46:10.119
did, and Emmett Walsh is definitely
he was the contender. Yeah, absolutely,

611
00:46:10.239 --> 00:46:15.599
without a doubt. Earlier you mentioned
the Rocky Horror Picture Show when you

612
00:46:16.079 --> 00:46:22.079
were describing Frankie goes to Hollywood in
this movie. Yeah, nineteen seventy four,

613
00:46:23.079 --> 00:46:27.000
he does a movie called Phantom of
the Paradise. Any chance you saw

614
00:46:27.039 --> 00:46:30.480
that. I have only seen clips, and I don't know how I haven't

615
00:46:30.480 --> 00:46:35.599
seen it, but I really want
to see it. Paul Williams, the

616
00:46:35.639 --> 00:46:38.119
clips that I've seen gives a great
performance. I wish that I had been

617
00:46:38.159 --> 00:46:43.519
able to talk to him at a
recent show, but it really has a

618
00:46:43.519 --> 00:46:49.400
lot of Rocky horror vibes. Oh, absolutely, it does. Interestingly enough,

619
00:46:49.440 --> 00:46:52.599
this comes out the year before Rocky
Horror Picture Show. If I'm not

620
00:46:52.639 --> 00:46:57.960
mistaken, but I think the first
time I took notice of this movie was

621
00:46:58.239 --> 00:47:00.679
there was this eighties horror documentary called
Terror and the Aisles. Did you ever

622
00:47:00.719 --> 00:47:07.239
see that? I remember the name. Yeah, such an awesome documentary.

623
00:47:07.280 --> 00:47:10.400
But there were clips of Phantom of
the Paradise in that. It's one of

624
00:47:10.400 --> 00:47:13.360
those movies I was like, I
always wanted to see it, never got

625
00:47:13.400 --> 00:47:16.559
to see it. Finally got my
opportunity a while ago. It's strange.

626
00:47:17.719 --> 00:47:22.400
I'm not gonna say it's a I'm
not gonna say it's a great film.

627
00:47:22.440 --> 00:47:28.159
It is definitely a cult classic.
It's definitely one I would say, you

628
00:47:28.239 --> 00:47:31.119
gotta see it to see it,
you know what I mean? Now two

629
00:47:31.199 --> 00:47:36.280
years later, nineteen seventy six,
I don't want to talk too much about

630
00:47:36.280 --> 00:47:38.360
this because I know we are we're
actually talking. You know, this is

631
00:47:38.360 --> 00:47:44.679
October, our first first episode of
October. We're starting with the Palma.

632
00:47:44.920 --> 00:47:49.679
Coincidentally, we're gonna end with the
Palma on Halloween when we when we cover

633
00:47:49.760 --> 00:47:52.760
Kerry. So but but Kerry comes
out in nineteen seventy six, Scott,

634
00:47:52.800 --> 00:47:58.280
I know you've seen it, you
gotta love it, right absolutely. I

635
00:47:58.280 --> 00:48:02.159
mean, there's the iconic scene obviously
of the problem. It is worth mentioning

636
00:48:02.159 --> 00:48:06.400
here and I don't know if it's
going to come up later, but DePalma

637
00:48:06.760 --> 00:48:10.079
has never really shied away from blood
and violence, and this is no exception.

638
00:48:10.679 --> 00:48:14.119
He actually grew up around a lot
of blood. His father was an

639
00:48:14.199 --> 00:48:16.239
orthopedic surgeon, and I know in
interviews he said, this is not eye

640
00:48:16.280 --> 00:48:21.800
surgery. It's not something delicate.
It's very bloody and visceral, and that

641
00:48:21.960 --> 00:48:27.159
definitely comes through and Carry. One
thing I noticed about Carry as as we're

642
00:48:27.199 --> 00:48:31.920
gonna go through this phmography, he
definitely has a thing for shower sequences.

643
00:48:32.280 --> 00:48:37.199
And I don't know if that like
harkens back to the whole Hitchcock stuff with

644
00:48:37.199 --> 00:48:45.199
Psycho, but a lot of oftentimes
his movies find the protagonist or the female

645
00:48:45.280 --> 00:48:49.400
victim in that state of vulnerability in
the shower. And you know, Carrie

646
00:48:49.440 --> 00:48:54.559
opens with this long, slow tracking
shot. Yeah, and it's it's this

647
00:48:54.719 --> 00:49:00.800
environment where you're at your most vulnerable, so it would be a safe environment,

648
00:49:00.840 --> 00:49:06.840
but when that safety is kind of
compromised or threatened, it definitely turns

649
00:49:06.880 --> 00:49:10.280
it into a situation that's going to
make you feel trapped, and it actually,

650
00:49:10.280 --> 00:49:15.760
it absolutely does turn that shower scene
on its head with her getting you

651
00:49:15.760 --> 00:49:20.239
know, tortured by the other girls
in the shower. Yeah, and he

652
00:49:20.679 --> 00:49:25.480
uses it to great effect. Speaking
of being trapped, it's no, it's

653
00:49:25.480 --> 00:49:29.000
not where they to say. This
is where he meets his first his first

654
00:49:29.000 --> 00:49:32.760
wife, Nancy Allen who who's who
starred? Who is one of the stars

655
00:49:32.760 --> 00:49:37.360
of Carry you know, and would
be in several of his other films.

656
00:49:37.360 --> 00:49:44.920
But moving on, nineteen seventy eight, he does this movie called The Fury.

657
00:49:45.000 --> 00:49:49.639
I know Wayne, our friend Wayne
Whited from our Star Trek Limited series.

658
00:49:49.679 --> 00:49:52.119
He's a big fan of The Fury. You know great John Williams soundtrack.

659
00:49:52.199 --> 00:49:58.079
I will give it that. Kirk
Douglass as an action hero is awesome.

660
00:50:00.159 --> 00:50:01.559
Man. This movie has such a
Have you seen it, Scott,

661
00:50:01.599 --> 00:50:07.079
I'm talking to you. I haven't
seen it. It's it's one that it's

662
00:50:07.079 --> 00:50:10.199
one that's at the top of my
list. After watching the Diploma documentary on

663
00:50:10.519 --> 00:50:15.639
HBO and seeing some of the few
clips, especially as a follow up to

664
00:50:15.719 --> 00:50:20.199
Carry, It's it's very interesting to
see one actress in particular kind of take

665
00:50:20.239 --> 00:50:24.480
a turn in that one. So
it's definitely at the top. Like I

666
00:50:24.519 --> 00:50:29.880
told Wayne earlier, this is a
great concept for a film, does not

667
00:50:29.960 --> 00:50:34.039
stick the landing at all. Yeah, if any movie needed a remake,

668
00:50:34.440 --> 00:50:37.000
it's The Fury as far as I'm
concerned. All Right, let's go,

669
00:50:37.039 --> 00:50:39.880
and let's go into one of our
favorite decades, the eighties, nineteen eighty.

670
00:50:40.880 --> 00:50:46.360
He's got Angie Dickinson, Keith Gordon, and Sir Michael Caine and Nancy

671
00:50:46.360 --> 00:50:52.280
Allen Dressed to kill. Yeah,
and this is one of those places where

672
00:50:52.480 --> 00:50:59.519
you know, I know that you
mentioned before obviously this is what inspired Body

673
00:50:59.559 --> 00:51:05.039
Double, But talking about the violence
against women, there's that scene and the

674
00:51:05.320 --> 00:51:10.719
elevator that scenes terrifying. Absolutely.
It reminds me of the Driller Killer scene

675
00:51:10.760 --> 00:51:14.800
here where she's just kind of like
backing up slowly like I've got nowhere to

676
00:51:14.840 --> 00:51:17.679
go. I'm absolutely trapped and my
only recourse is to beg this person.

677
00:51:20.000 --> 00:51:29.000
And very interesting that when you see
one character involved in that scene is completely

678
00:51:29.119 --> 00:51:36.280
unrecognizable intentionally. I'll tell you something. The shower scene at the end of

679
00:51:36.360 --> 00:51:40.239
Dress to Kill has got to be
one of the most tense scenes I've ever

680
00:51:40.239 --> 00:51:45.599
seen in the movie and it is
outright scary. Like you watch that scene,

681
00:51:45.599 --> 00:51:52.360
you will never shower with the door
open again. Like ever, if

682
00:51:52.360 --> 00:51:54.679
there's shower phobias out there, it's
most likely due to Brian to Palmer for

683
00:51:54.679 --> 00:51:59.920
at least two films, two or
three. Yeah, and then in nine

684
00:52:00.559 --> 00:52:04.199
eighty one he's got John Travolta and
Nancy again, Alan again and blow Out

685
00:52:06.639 --> 00:52:12.360
this Okay, you know, just
like The Fury, this movie is incredible.

686
00:52:12.440 --> 00:52:15.840
But the ending, the ending just
disappoints me. Man, have you

687
00:52:15.880 --> 00:52:20.960
seen it? So Unfortunately, when
I watched that documentary, it's spoiled the

688
00:52:21.039 --> 00:52:24.800
ending because I've seen the ending.
Oh okay, but I think the so

689
00:52:24.840 --> 00:52:28.920
I haven't seen the entire thing.
It's it's spoiled to a certain degree.

690
00:52:28.960 --> 00:52:32.639
But I still think the concept is
fascinating. You've basically got a fully artist

691
00:52:34.000 --> 00:52:37.519
with John Travolta, right, yeah, and him using the there's a there's

692
00:52:37.559 --> 00:52:42.000
a scream that's used that becomes kind
of a turning point in the movie,

693
00:52:42.039 --> 00:52:46.559
and it's that was that was a
little hard to watch. I just I

694
00:52:46.559 --> 00:52:51.920
don't know, I blow out again. I just feel like I was I

695
00:52:51.960 --> 00:52:53.239
was on the edge of my seat
the entire time, and so I got

696
00:52:53.239 --> 00:52:57.039
to the the ending, and then
when the ending happened, I was like,

697
00:52:57.079 --> 00:53:01.599
are you you fff and kidding me
like this? No, I was

698
00:53:01.679 --> 00:53:05.000
angry, man, I'm sorry.
I was angry. We'll need to do

699
00:53:05.159 --> 00:53:07.800
a prequel, sequel, remake,
but it's just a remake of the ending

700
00:53:07.880 --> 00:53:10.719
of some of these movies. Oh
maybe I'll tell you something that doesn't need

701
00:53:10.719 --> 00:53:15.960
a prequel, a sequel, or
a remake is nineteen eighty three when he

702
00:53:15.039 --> 00:53:22.280
does well, when he technically does
a remake Scarface. Yeah. Movie,

703
00:53:22.320 --> 00:53:27.639
it's awesome, It's iconic, and
I mean, he's he's talked a lot

704
00:53:27.679 --> 00:53:31.239
about the you know, the influence
of this movie his on cinema, on

705
00:53:31.360 --> 00:53:37.920
popular culture, especially recently. It's
it's heavily fixated in pop culture. And

706
00:53:37.960 --> 00:53:42.880
it's one of those ones where you
know, it's it's not shying away from

707
00:53:43.440 --> 00:53:50.239
violence at all, especially the chainsaw
scene, and it's very expertly cut so

708
00:53:50.280 --> 00:53:55.239
that you're not technically seeing anything,
but the implication is enough to just freak

709
00:53:55.280 --> 00:53:59.199
people out. And that's just one
of the iconic moments in this movie.

710
00:53:59.559 --> 00:54:05.079
No fantastic. We've been talking about
body Double on this episode. Nineteen eighty

711
00:54:05.079 --> 00:54:08.360
four, he does a handful of
music videos in eighty four, obviously the

712
00:54:09.000 --> 00:54:15.920
Frankie goes to Hollywood video. Courtney
Cox can can thank Brian de Palma for

713
00:54:15.960 --> 00:54:20.440
her career because he shoots the Dancing
in the Dark video and it's his idea

714
00:54:20.480 --> 00:54:22.679
to hey, let's have let's have
Bruce pull girl out of the out of

715
00:54:22.679 --> 00:54:25.840
the audience and bring her on stage. So yep, And that's thankfully a

716
00:54:25.920 --> 00:54:30.519
much different music video introduction than Relax
would have been. Like, if that's

717
00:54:30.559 --> 00:54:32.039
why Courtney Cox got her start,
I'd be like, oh, Courtney,

718
00:54:32.079 --> 00:54:36.880
oh no, yeah, So eighty
seven, you know, he's he's built

719
00:54:36.880 --> 00:54:42.079
a career at this point of these
these psychological thrillers more or less. But

720
00:54:42.159 --> 00:54:46.400
in nineteen eighty seven he goes full
mainstream with a blockbuster talking about the Untouchables.

721
00:54:46.960 --> 00:54:51.039
Yeah, oh that would This is
my favorite Dipolma the movie, because

722
00:54:51.039 --> 00:54:55.159
I have it to be my first. I wasn't introduced to DiPalma chronologically,

723
00:54:55.320 --> 00:55:00.639
so I didn't get a chance to
see you know, Carrie first or Scarface

724
00:55:00.719 --> 00:55:04.800
certainly at that age. But eighty
seven I love seeing the Untouchables. It's

725
00:55:04.880 --> 00:55:08.320
you know, for going mainstream,
you know, It's still got its share

726
00:55:08.480 --> 00:55:15.079
of violent scenes, but they're so
well done. And the one scene that

727
00:55:15.119 --> 00:55:21.079
I'm thinking of is the the baseball
scene. Oh gosh, yeah, and

728
00:55:21.119 --> 00:55:27.079
the baseball which is, you know, very very violent, but artistically that

729
00:55:27.239 --> 00:55:31.320
shot where it kind of pans up
from the from the table, show the

730
00:55:31.320 --> 00:55:36.920
blood kind of corning out of the
guy's head, it almost has kind of

731
00:55:36.920 --> 00:55:39.440
a Last Supper kind of composition to
it, like everybody's frozen in time,

732
00:55:39.480 --> 00:55:44.320
but you're just kind of panning out
and seeing it expertly done, in my

733
00:55:44.360 --> 00:55:53.199
opinion, got a lot of great
locations and in Niagara Falls, and I

734
00:55:53.199 --> 00:55:57.360
couldn't think of a better way to
introduce somebody to Brian de Palma. It's

735
00:55:57.360 --> 00:56:00.840
probably the way I'm going to be
introducing into my sons. But I think

736
00:56:00.920 --> 00:56:06.960
my favorite shot in the movie is
probably what is clearly the most hitchcock of

737
00:56:07.039 --> 00:56:12.119
shots in the movie. Talking about
the train station with the baby carriage slowly

738
00:56:13.079 --> 00:56:19.840
bouncing down the steps and the bookkeeper
with with Capone's gunmen. Yeah, so

739
00:56:19.960 --> 00:56:22.559
many, so many moving parts in
that scene. Yeah, and for it

740
00:56:22.599 --> 00:56:27.360
to you know, and everything's happening
in slow motion and you are just panicking

741
00:56:27.400 --> 00:56:34.599
for this child. Yeah. Andy
Garcia has that epic hero slide catches the

742
00:56:34.719 --> 00:56:38.880
catches the kid. You know,
got him? Yeah, I got him.

743
00:56:39.039 --> 00:56:44.440
Ah yeah. I love The Untouchables. Man without seeing without seeing a

744
00:56:44.519 --> 00:56:49.159
single other film on the list of
eighty seven, I might go so far

745
00:56:49.199 --> 00:56:52.679
as to say that is the best
movie of nineteen eighty seven. We should

746
00:56:52.679 --> 00:56:55.559
test that theory sometimes, we might
look at that. I had thought you

747
00:56:55.599 --> 00:57:01.719
were going to say, the scene
with Sean Connery in his apartment bringing a

748
00:57:01.800 --> 00:57:07.000
knife to a gunfight, Oh,
that sounds awesome, but it's so intricate

749
00:57:07.039 --> 00:57:09.760
and complex, you know, looking
at body double now and kind of the

750
00:57:09.760 --> 00:57:14.920
walking scene through the ball it definitely
seems like one where you have to know

751
00:57:15.039 --> 00:57:19.559
exactly where the camera is going to
go at every single beat because there's there's

752
00:57:19.599 --> 00:57:24.280
no cuts, there's no edits.
It's just a smooth walk through this apartment

753
00:57:24.320 --> 00:57:29.800
and out again to an alleyway.
That was brilliant. You know, I

754
00:57:30.000 --> 00:57:31.880
think I might have to watch The
Insuchables when we're done here. I think,

755
00:57:31.920 --> 00:57:37.079
so, yeah, yeah, let's
talk about I'm gonna go ahead and

756
00:57:37.079 --> 00:57:42.480
say it if Platoon is the best
Vietnam movie that has ever been made.

757
00:57:44.199 --> 00:57:50.440
Casualties of War in nineteen eighty nine
is the runner up. Now, this

758
00:57:50.480 --> 00:57:57.280
is one where it came out.
I absolutely agree, was very very controversial

759
00:57:58.440 --> 00:58:01.119
for one particular scene. And I
think at the time we were talking what

760
00:58:01.719 --> 00:58:07.239
two years four years after Back to
the Future. Very different kind of role,

761
00:58:07.320 --> 00:58:12.199
a very different kind of movie for
Michael J. Fox. We weren't

762
00:58:12.199 --> 00:58:15.440
ready for Michael J. Fox in
a role like this. You know,

763
00:58:15.599 --> 00:58:21.960
in a lot of ways, his
character is is sort of like Charlie Sheen's

764
00:58:22.000 --> 00:58:29.679
character in Platoon. You know,
Fox represents the innocence that that war will

765
00:58:29.760 --> 00:58:35.320
ultimately test and and try to destroy. Yeah, and Sean Penn, Oh,

766
00:58:35.480 --> 00:58:39.960
my goodness, if you if you
ever wanted to see Sean Penn is

767
00:58:39.960 --> 00:58:45.159
a villain, this is the film
and he is. He is disgusting,

768
00:58:46.039 --> 00:58:52.079
he is powerful. Ah, it's
it's amazing. And you know, the

769
00:58:52.280 --> 00:58:57.559
movie speaks to on several levels too, because you know, as far as

770
00:58:57.599 --> 00:59:02.199
like the the I think Diplomas is
basically he's kind of saying, you know,

771
00:59:04.480 --> 00:59:08.920
the rape and pillage that's happening,
you know, in these situations to

772
00:59:09.000 --> 00:59:15.320
these countries. It's kind of it's
kind of dialed down to the plot of

773
00:59:15.320 --> 00:59:19.159
casualties of War and it'll break your
heart. You know. It's not like

774
00:59:19.159 --> 00:59:21.719
the feel good movies of the year
by any by any stretch of the imagination.

775
00:59:22.719 --> 00:59:24.800
But if you want to see what
Michael J. Fox can do when

776
00:59:24.800 --> 00:59:30.239
he's not flying around in a DeLorean, this is the movie, because you

777
00:59:30.280 --> 00:59:34.599
know, this is it might be
his best performance. Honestly. Yeah,

778
00:59:34.639 --> 00:59:37.480
I'm gonna I'm gonna go and say
it. Yeah, if you haven't seen

779
00:59:37.480 --> 00:59:39.679
Casualties of War, you got to. Yeah, it is hard to believe

780
00:59:39.800 --> 00:59:46.239
with you know, you've got two
sprawling epics happening very close to each other.

781
00:59:46.280 --> 00:59:51.880
If Untouchable is It in eighty seven
and Casualty Casualties of Wars in eighty

782
00:59:51.920 --> 00:59:55.639
nine, those both feel like very
heavy productions to go through. But then

783
00:59:57.199 --> 01:00:01.199
just in the next year he comes
out with Bonfire the Vanity. Would you

784
01:00:01.239 --> 01:00:06.639
say this was more of a paycheck
movie for him? It seems like it

785
01:00:06.679 --> 01:00:12.280
probably is. Yeah, we get
Melanie Griffith back. Yeah, now I'll

786
01:00:12.320 --> 01:00:14.960
be on. I haven't seen this
one, you know, it's it's one

787
01:00:14.960 --> 01:00:17.440
of those it's always escaped me and
it just doesn't I don't know if it's

788
01:00:17.440 --> 01:00:23.360
something that you know intrigues me.
M let's move on Scott one of my

789
01:00:23.400 --> 01:00:30.639
favorite actors. Nineteen ninety two,
he does Raising Kine with John Lithgow Lalita

790
01:00:30.360 --> 01:00:36.440
Davidovich m which I think this is
one that I have not seen, but

791
01:00:36.519 --> 01:00:39.280
I think the concept is fascinating,
especially knowing the you know, from the

792
01:00:39.280 --> 01:00:43.960
poster, from the trailer, I
can understand it's the you know, duality

793
01:00:44.039 --> 01:00:47.840
of the John Lithgow John Lythgow's performance. Now. I don't know whether that's

794
01:00:47.880 --> 01:00:52.000
like a split personality thing or a
twins kind of thing, but it is.

795
01:00:52.199 --> 01:00:55.960
It is interesting to see John Lithgow
come back and kind of rare for

796
01:00:57.039 --> 01:01:00.920
him. Yeah, nineteen eighty three
he does Alito's Way, He's back with

797
01:01:01.039 --> 01:01:05.440
Champin, He's back with Appuccino.
I don't know. I know on the

798
01:01:05.480 --> 01:01:07.800
I know the Abbian out here.
I've just never been a big fan of

799
01:01:07.800 --> 01:01:13.880
the movie. It's not consistently come
back to. I'm not saying it's bad.

800
01:01:13.920 --> 01:01:15.239
It's just like, yeah, I
saw it. I'm like, okay,

801
01:01:15.239 --> 01:01:17.599
I don't need to see it again. Am I wrong? Like?

802
01:01:17.840 --> 01:01:21.599
Is it? You're not wrong?
I mean, it's not one that I

803
01:01:21.679 --> 01:01:23.639
say. You know, if you
haven't seen it, you absolutely have to

804
01:01:23.639 --> 01:01:27.880
see it. I think it was
very very well done. I think it

805
01:01:27.920 --> 01:01:31.159
has great echoes of you know,
Scarface and things like that, even though

806
01:01:31.159 --> 01:01:36.639
they're different characters. It's a different
era. I know that I was a

807
01:01:36.639 --> 01:01:39.440
fan when I saw it in the
theaters, but it isn't necessarily one that

808
01:01:39.519 --> 01:01:44.119
kept drawing me back, not like
The Untouchables did. We'll tell you when

809
01:01:44.119 --> 01:01:47.360
that that will draw you back time
and time again. Nineteen ninety six,

810
01:01:49.519 --> 01:01:53.880
he does Mission Impossible. Very very
important movie to me. What a way

811
01:01:53.920 --> 01:02:00.320
to kick off a franchise, absolutely, and one that just continues to you

812
01:02:00.360 --> 01:02:04.800
know, and dur even today.
And we're seeing echoes of that first movie

813
01:02:05.519 --> 01:02:12.880
in the latest installment. Yeah.
The cool thing about Mission Impossible is the

814
01:02:12.960 --> 01:02:15.320
connection it has to Body Double.
Are you aware of that? I am

815
01:02:15.400 --> 01:02:21.639
not aware of that. So think
about this third active Mission Impossible. We

816
01:02:21.719 --> 01:02:28.320
get this exposition where Ethan kind of
unravels the events of the movie and and

817
01:02:28.400 --> 01:02:34.559
clues in the audience, and the
Pauma is using like prior scenes that we've

818
01:02:34.559 --> 01:02:37.880
already seen them once, but now
we're seeing them as hunt as telling the

819
01:02:37.920 --> 01:02:47.519
story and piecing it altogether for us. That scene is almost completely lifted from

820
01:02:47.800 --> 01:02:52.360
Body Double when Jake Scully calls the
cop to say, I know who killed

821
01:02:52.360 --> 01:02:55.000
Gloria, and he goes through this
whole thing, right, I can see

822
01:02:55.000 --> 01:03:00.320
what you're saying there. Yeah,
watch Body Double and then watch a Mission

823
01:03:00.320 --> 01:03:04.639
Impossible. Yea, and it's it's
the Poma going. It's the Poma play

824
01:03:04.719 --> 01:03:07.559
his greatest hits, yep, yep. And I think I think he does

825
01:03:07.599 --> 01:03:12.039
a good job of you know,
it's not doing the same kind of shots,

826
01:03:12.039 --> 01:03:15.880
but he's repurposing certain effects that work
really well. And I think that's

827
01:03:15.880 --> 01:03:19.320
definitely one of the I didn't even
think of that. That's a good catch.

828
01:03:19.679 --> 01:03:24.679
Yeah, I'll tell you what.
Let's I know he's done probably like

829
01:03:24.719 --> 01:03:29.199
another ten movies or so. I
want to I want to end on Mission

830
01:03:29.199 --> 01:03:30.639
Impossible, because I kind of want
to end on a good one, on

831
01:03:30.719 --> 01:03:34.840
a great one, you know,
Snake guys, Mission to Mars, Film

832
01:03:34.920 --> 01:03:39.159
Fatale, The Black Dahlia, Domino, say what you will. There's some

833
01:03:39.239 --> 01:03:43.760
are good, some aren't. But
but I think we should leave off on

834
01:03:43.840 --> 01:03:47.440
Mission Impossible so we can kind of
wrap things up. Yeah, So what's

835
01:03:47.559 --> 01:03:52.400
what's up next for Brandon? To
Paula. He's actually got two movies in

836
01:03:52.440 --> 01:03:57.039
the works. He is currently in
pre production on a film called Sweet Vengeance,

837
01:03:57.480 --> 01:04:00.840
which is a murder mystery inspired by
two Your Life murders, So right

838
01:04:00.880 --> 01:04:03.960
in his wheelhouse, right, Yep, this is the one I really want

839
01:04:04.000 --> 01:04:08.800
to see. Though. He's in
development on a film called Catch and Kill,

840
01:04:09.880 --> 01:04:15.760
which is a horror film set in
Hollywood and featuring a predatory movie mogul.

841
01:04:15.320 --> 01:04:19.679
Interesting. Yeah, that's very interesting. I think that has the potential

842
01:04:19.679 --> 01:04:24.280
to be really good. Yeah,
it'll be interesting to see another take on

843
01:04:24.760 --> 01:04:29.920
Dipoulma's horror and a predatory movie Mogul. I don't you know, Weinstein.

844
01:04:30.079 --> 01:04:33.639
I don't know if he's thinking of
anyone in particular, but yeah, I

845
01:04:33.679 --> 01:04:38.519
got I got a cough. Sorry, Scott. What would you if you,

846
01:04:39.000 --> 01:04:42.760
if you're the producer working with Dipoma, what would you want to see

847
01:04:42.800 --> 01:04:45.559
him do? I kind of feel
like I'd like to see a dip into

848
01:04:45.559 --> 01:04:50.400
a slightly different genre. It'd be
interesting to see a Western by Dipoma,

849
01:04:51.320 --> 01:04:56.519
Brian DePalma Western, Yeah, especially
if you have kind of the you know,

850
01:04:56.599 --> 01:05:00.599
he's done great things with you know, sprawling epic shots of you know,

851
01:05:01.280 --> 01:05:05.599
hotels and malls and beaches and buildings, and you know a lot of

852
01:05:06.119 --> 01:05:12.719
big epic sets. What he would
do with kind of smaller composition, tighter

853
01:05:12.760 --> 01:05:15.320
shots that would you would need in
that kind of an idea. What about

854
01:05:15.360 --> 01:05:18.800
you think about how good of a
remake Scarface was. I want to see

855
01:05:18.880 --> 01:05:24.639
him remake Ghost Story, only this
time. I want to see him deal

856
01:05:24.760 --> 01:05:28.559
with several eighties screen queens in the
roles. You know, we got we

857
01:05:28.880 --> 01:05:34.400
four older men. Let's flip that, let's have four older women and maybe

858
01:05:34.440 --> 01:05:39.159
instead of a female, you know, phantasm or a ghost whatever it's it's

859
01:05:39.159 --> 01:05:44.960
a male. Interesting and you would
definitely bring black Barbara Crampton. Oh,

860
01:05:44.960 --> 01:05:48.119
I'm definitely calling up Barbara Crampton.
Uh, definitely calling up Kelly Maroney.

861
01:05:49.599 --> 01:05:54.000
Get a little bit of a chopping
mall reunion happening there. I would definitely

862
01:05:54.039 --> 01:05:56.480
go to see that. That's a
good idea. And I don't know where

863
01:05:56.519 --> 01:05:59.280
we're going to put him, but
can we get Dennis Franz back in oh

864
01:05:59.320 --> 01:06:01.320
Shocking it Up movie? All right? Put him back in the director's chair.

865
01:06:01.719 --> 01:06:05.400
Yeah, Scott, do you recommend
seeing this movie Body Double? What's

866
01:06:05.440 --> 01:06:12.280
your thoughts? I cautiously recommend it
because it's definitely one where you know,

867
01:06:13.719 --> 01:06:16.039
kids are not going to want to
be anywhere near this movie. I will

868
01:06:16.119 --> 01:06:19.679
say that, you know, my
first look at this movie, there were

869
01:06:19.719 --> 01:06:23.159
sometimes when I was like, I
don't know, I don't know if I'm

870
01:06:23.199 --> 01:06:26.320
comfortable with this. But though when
you ultimately see things kind of unravel,

871
01:06:27.199 --> 01:06:30.039
I think if you're a fan of
Diploma, it's definitely one to see,

872
01:06:30.159 --> 01:06:33.519
especially in the context of what he
was doing with his career and what he

873
01:06:33.559 --> 01:06:38.920
wanted out of it. That's my
recommendation. I don't know that it's necessarily

874
01:06:39.079 --> 01:06:42.199
one that I would own on four
K, Blu ray or anything else like

875
01:06:42.239 --> 01:06:45.840
that, but what about you.
Absolutely I love this movie. This is

876
01:06:45.880 --> 01:06:51.719
a great Hitchcock meets the eighties,
suspenseful thriller, and yeah there's some adult

877
01:06:51.760 --> 01:06:57.119
content, but nothing wrong with that. I happen to own it on Blu

878
01:06:57.239 --> 01:07:00.000
Ray. I know you just said
that you you probably wouldn't own it on

879
01:07:00.119 --> 01:07:03.719
four K. Coincidentally, a four
K release is coming soon. I think

880
01:07:03.719 --> 01:07:08.159
it's coming out in spring him next
year, I think, is what I

881
01:07:08.199 --> 01:07:11.559
heard. Okay, but it's available
on Blue Ray, It's available to rent

882
01:07:11.840 --> 01:07:15.480
on most streaming platforms. I know
the Blue ray has a couple has a

883
01:07:15.519 --> 01:07:18.639
couple good featurettes on it. I'll
tell you a little bit about the movie.

884
01:07:18.639 --> 01:07:24.840
So yeah, I'm definitely recommending it. And I think there's a I

885
01:07:24.960 --> 01:07:29.639
mentioned it a few times before.
There's a there's a great documentary on DiPalma

886
01:07:30.039 --> 01:07:33.679
that they did I think back in
twenty sixteen that chronicles a lot of his

887
01:07:34.320 --> 01:07:39.480
career and gets into things like Body
Double and a few other movies. So

888
01:07:39.800 --> 01:07:42.400
if you're looking for something, it'll
help you get kind of get a DiPalma

889
01:07:42.480 --> 01:07:45.119
sampler and get back into that world. That might be one we're checking out.

890
01:07:45.280 --> 01:07:49.039
That's on Max right now, isn't
it? Yes? All right,

891
01:07:49.119 --> 01:07:51.800
So what do we have next on
a film by Well? As I said

892
01:07:51.800 --> 01:07:56.440
earlier, it is October, so
I know we are going to jam pack

893
01:07:56.519 --> 01:08:00.079
this month with a lot of great
episodes based on a scary movies. Next

894
01:08:00.079 --> 01:08:06.199
week on our limited nineteen seventy six
series, we'll be taking a look at

895
01:08:06.199 --> 01:08:11.599
the Omen. That's a perfect one
to watch this time of year. And

896
01:08:11.679 --> 01:08:16.079
Scott, I'd like to thank you
for the conversation on Body Double today,

897
01:08:16.439 --> 01:08:21.880
looking forward to your your next episode
for Drawn into Lower Decks. But you

898
01:08:21.880 --> 01:08:26.720
guys are talking about what is got
to be one of the coolest and most

899
01:08:26.760 --> 01:08:30.119
unique Star Trek shows ever. It
really is. It's a It's a great

900
01:08:30.199 --> 01:08:33.199
time to be a Star Trek fan
and a great time to start being a

901
01:08:33.239 --> 01:08:38.239
Star Trek fan for those who aren't. You've got a lot of great gateways

902
01:08:38.279 --> 01:08:41.680
into it. Yeah, thanks for
having me back. It's always fun to

903
01:08:41.720 --> 01:08:45.439
talk to you, or if I'm
talking with the Wayne and David and the

904
01:08:45.439 --> 01:08:47.680
Star Trek crew to talk about lower
decks. Can't wait to keep going with

905
01:08:47.680 --> 01:08:50.880
that. And as always, listeners, we thank you for tuning in week

906
01:08:50.920 --> 01:08:55.880
after week. Let us know what
you think about Body Double, if you've

907
01:08:55.880 --> 01:08:59.399
seen it, if you want to
see it, or what your favorite brand

908
01:08:59.439 --> 01:09:03.479
O Poma film happens to be.
Until next time, all right, we'll

909
01:09:03.479 --> 01:09:17.880
see you up there. Really,
don't West when you want to go to

910
01:09:18.000 --> 01:09:26.800
West, be list to West.
Want don't do West when you want to

911
01:09:26.840 --> 01:09:29.199
take its West be list