Christopher Nolan - Following

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It's only been a few days since
Oppenheimer was released. The movie is so

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good. I'm still feeling the aftershock. Well, there's only one director I

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want to talk about. Well,
he is the man of the hour.

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So let's talk about a film by
Christopher Nolan, his nineteen ninety eight neo

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noir underrated classic. Following Hello everybody, and welcome back to a Film by

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Podcast, I'm Jeff Johnson. I
am Brad Kozo. Brad, You've you've

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got to be excited about about Oppenheimer. I know you saw it, but

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yeah I did. I did see
it, and obviously I listened to the

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Back to the box Office review.
I adored it. It is a film,

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as you guys talk about, was
so much going on. I feel

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like I didn't get everything. I
mean, Christopher Allen films deserve a second

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and third watch. But I'm excited
to watch it again and to do a

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little research about it as well,
because I think the story itself is fascinating.

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Absolutely I mentioned this, Uh,
I think I mentioned this too with

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Dayton on our Back to the Box
Office review. I implore you, Brad,

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watch the nineteen eighty nine film Fatman
and Little Boy, starring Paul Newman

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because it goes hand in hand with
Oppenheimer, right, And now that I've

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seen Oppenheimer, right, I did, and I'm excited to talk about this.

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And I mean we had to pull
an audible. Basically we were set

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to do Insomnia, yeah originally,
And if listeners, if you don't know

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basically what we do is, you
know, we get a basically a list

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of what we've got coming up as
far as filmmakers, episodes and stuff.

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And you know, we usually prep
by watching a few movies of the director

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and stuff, and we're you know, talking beforehand. And I had gotten

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on the subject of I've seen every
one of the Christopher Nolan's films except following,

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and I only thought it was unavailable, like if you bought the Criterion

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disc or you had the Criterion Channel
and you said that it was on to

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B and I was gonna watch it
before I rewatched Insomnia anyway, and and

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you were like, this might wanna
we might want to shift gears and talk

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about the following because it sawny as
good as a movie it is, and

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is it an underrated film, yes, but it's still got you know,

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big stars in it and stuff.
But this, I feel is the true

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kind of underrated. You need to
know about this. We need to tell

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people about this movie. Yeah,
I cannot agree with you more. I

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was fascinated by this film. Uh
when I when I've seen it just several

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days ago. I mean we you
talked about us switching gears, you know.

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Uh, I'm glad we did.
Though. I'm definitely glad we did

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um before we get started. Brad, Yes, right quick, I do

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want to uh say thank you to
uh one of our regulars, Scott Hoffman,

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Yeah. Absolutely, Brad. I
also want to take a quick moment to

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to say hello to one of our
newest listeners who has who's been interacting with

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us quite a bit on social media
talking about mister Jason Costlett. This guy

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he actually he discovers us because he's
listening to our friends Dan Jason at Shirley

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You Hit Me Serious podcast. Happened
to catch at that classic where we discuss

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Superman, The Quest for Peace and
Jaws of Revenge. Oh yeah, yeah,

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but he kind of found us through
them, Brad. He starts off

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with one of his favorite films that
we happened to review recently. He did,

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he listened to cob loved it so
nice. Yeah, so, Jason,

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and we are happy to have you. And Jason is not alone,

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Brad. It seems like we are
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in Denmark. So all of you
outside the US, thank you for

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for listening, and we appreciate it. Yeah, we do so, Brad.

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Following right, Here's the thing.
I know, for the longest time,

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I assumed it was like a short, like a like a like a

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short film that he had done in
college or something like that, and I

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never really got into it. I
never really checked it out. Can you

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give us a quick synopsis? Yes, that's a spoiler free as best I

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can kind of sum it up real
simple m synopsis. So basically, when

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a down on his luck rider starts
following strangers as a hobby, it quickly

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turns into a deadly game as he
meets Cobb, a burglar that quickly he

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takes him under his wing. As
the two men jumped from place to place

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brugalizing strangers, a mystery unfolds with
sex, betrayal, possibly murder. Before

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anyone knew about the man who reinvented
the Dark Night, dazzled us with an

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inception, inspired us with Interstellar,
and it's blowing up the theaters with Oppenheimer.

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This is following a film by Christopher
Nolan. I'm glad that you said

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spoiler free because watching this, I
have to believe that a lot of people

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have not seen this movie, and
this is this we got, we gotta.

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We're gonna have to be careful because
this is one that you don't want

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to spoil for people, because at
the end of this movie, I had

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that you know, you know,
that feeling you got when when you watched

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The Sixth Sins for the first time, or you watched The Usual Suspects for

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the first time. Did you have
that feeling? Yeah, it's a yeah,

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this is a mystery, you know, like I said, like you

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said, a film nor So it's
a lot of um. There's some time

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jumping in between, you know,
just a little bit of time jumping.

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But it's easy to tell because the
main character, who's never really given a

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name, just considered the young man. He has a little bit longer hair

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and like facial hair. At one
point in it has short hair. But

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you might be a little confused with
stuff. But trust me, it's one

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of those films, like with all
the Christopher Nolan films, once it comes

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to the end, it all comes
together. You know, no one Brad

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this is his his film debut.
He writes it, he shoots it,

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he directs it, he edits,
and he co produces. He's a short

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craft services. He's pretty much doing
everything on this project. Yeah, and

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this is a I mean, this
is one of the ways you do a

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small I've got no money, I've
got no locations, I've got no special

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effects, I've got no stunt man. How am I going to do a

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movie? Very small? And he
makes it interesting. You know, the

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beginning of the film and this is
not as spoiled as that. The you

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know, the young man talks about
following people, you know, not in

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a creepy way, just interested in
where they're going, And the idea itself

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does sound kind of interesting. Could
you follow someone without any you know,

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negative intent in it, just to
see where are they going, what are

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they doing, and then find out
about their lives. But like I said,

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as it unfolds, you realize it
sounds so innocent to do, but

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you're just looking for trouble when you
start doing that. It's a great opening

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moment because with any good film,
to are you don't know who to trust,

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You don't know who who to who
to get behind. Just yet,

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we see two guys talking and this
one guy, the young man who you

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know, he goes by Bill,
he goes by Danny. At certain different

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you know parts of the movie,
he's explaining that what he's doing is shadowing.

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He's not following, he's shadowing,
and he's talking to someone else,

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and at that point he does sound
kind of creepy. So you don't know

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if this is this our guy,
Is this the guy that we're gonna follow

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or not. I love the I
love how he asked to speak to that

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person, you know, which you
know, I don't think this is any

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kind of any kind of spoiler.
But he's talking to a detective, right

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and he's and he's trying to like
he's trying to, you know, explain

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himself so that he doesn't sound like
a creep. Yeah, And as he's

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explaining it, you know, you're
in your mind thinking like, okay,

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this is a little wrong, but
he's laying it out in very innocent ways,

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so it doesn't sound like he is
a bad guy. And like I

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said, you don't know if he's
the protagon that's obviously. Seeing other films

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of Nolan, you know, you're
you're in something. You know, the

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next film a mento, you're sitting
there watching the narrator of the entire time

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and you're he's wrong, you know. So you don't know really who to

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trust. But that's the thing,
because you keep guessing because you don't know,

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and these things pop up and you're
like, why does this person have

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a black eye all of a sudden
and just just trust me, hold on

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to it. And this is not
a long film. This is a very

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short term. This movie is an
hour in ten minutes. Oh yeah,

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yeah, and but it has a
first, second, and third act and

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it's a it's brilliant the way it's
conceived. Yeah, speaking of how speaking

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of its conception, no one gets
this idea after his house is broken into.

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Yeah, and one of his first
thoughts upon realizing this is, I

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wonder what the thieves we're thinking about
while looking through my stuff? So,

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Brad, let's uh, we got
we got four central characters we can talk

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about here. Jeremy Theobald plays the
young Man aka Bill aka any Not a

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lot uh, not a lot that
this guy has done as far as big

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box office stuff. He does have
a couple small credits. He does show

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up in Batman Begins and Tenant,
but yeah, very small parts. Yeah.

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Yeah, great actor though, Yeah
I was. He was really good

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at it. Yeah. Equally impressive
is Alex Hall and plays Cobb. Now,

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Brad, this is his only film
role. Yeah. I have seen

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him in nothing, but he has
a has an interesting quality to him.

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I don't know why he h it
wasn't any gone any further that he chose

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to because he's really clever in Thiss
and he's very um, he's very smooth.

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This is one of those situations where
he was doing this kind of stuff

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just to pay his way through school. If you're looking for Alex All,

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now look no further than one of
the leading New York architecture firms where he's

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an architect. Wow, that's only
credit, only film credit. And if

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you want it, you know you
want more from Alex Hall. You know

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he's gonna have to, you know, design a house or a building for

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you. I guess I think I'd
put that on my billboard or billboard or

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business card. It's a start in
Christopher Nolan's first ever film. Yeah,

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I don't care what job I've got, that that would definitely be on my

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business card. Yeah, let's let's
talk about Lucy Russell. Every every good

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neo noir or mystery needs that film
Fatale. Lucy Russell playing the blonde.

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Never get a name, she's just
the blond and uh quick snappy dialogue she

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gets you know, yeah, you
know, like she's got an answer for

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everything quick. You know she doesn't. She doesn't search. So even though

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if you think she's lying, you're
not sure because she's so quick about it.

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And once again you don't know her
intensions. Good are they nuts?

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You just yeah, you don't know. You never know if you can trust

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the film fatale she has. We've
seen her in smaller roles in Batman Begins

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and World War Z and Um.
Definitely on on television where she's been on

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The Crown, Chernobyl and recently Bratt
she was playing she's been playing supervisor Grandy

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on Disney Plus's Star Wars show and
Or which I know you haven't started yet,

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but man, I know that's where. That's what she's from. I

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recognize her face now that's you've seen
her. Yeah, and I know,

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yeah Chernobyl, you had to you
probably, Yeah, I did watch Chernobyl

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as well. Yeah, now we
got we got our police detective played by

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John Nolan. Yeah, is he
that? That's not I don't know if

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that's a nephew of them or an
uncle or this is that John Nolan is

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actually Christopher Nolan's uncle, prominent TV
actor. Uh. He had some small

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roles in Dunkirk and and I always
I remember for the Batman trilogy because he's

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one of the Wayne industry's board members. He plays Fredericks, one of the

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one of the good, one of
the good ones. You know, it's

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not trying to always bust, you
know, Bruce winch chops. And then

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lastly, look, I've watched this
movie three times. I have a whole

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really I've yet to find her.
But apparently Emma Thomas uh. Not only

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is she co producing this, uh, she is an extra in the film.

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She's listed in the cast. I
yeah, I watched it. Yeah.

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Well, let's talk a little bit
about how this movie comes to be

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Okay, because it's you know,
it's filmed in London for six thousand dollars.

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Most of the locations are actually houses
that belong to friends and family.

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Yeah, I mean, yeah,
it's how you do it when when you

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got no money. Now here's what
you talk about, not having any money

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to finally at something. This really
shocks me. Everyone that's involved in this

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film has nine to five day jobs. So Nolan shoots this only on Saturdays

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over the course of several months,
aiming to get about fifteen minutes of footage

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every day. I mean that's not
only extremely clever for this type of film,

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but extremely nice to his actors,
especially when you're doing a very very

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small production and they're asking a lot
of out of you and then one minute

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they're like, okay, we need
you to dedicate so much time and you're

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like, yeah, well but you're
not paying me, and you know,

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I got a you know, a
child and a family and things like that,

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and you know, you don't want
to be able to quit your job

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because you know, I think if
they all knew where he would eventually go,

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I'm sure they would have quit their
day jobs in a second. But

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you know, considering, I think
that's extremely nice for him because that is

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the way that a lot of stuff
has to get done. It's like you

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got to work around everybody's schedule.
The only director I've ever heard of doing

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this is our very own David Burns, and I see I say that from

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experience because doing a couple of his
documentary shorts, that's that's how it gets

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done. You work when when you
can, and you take advantage of it.

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thing by himself. So to keep
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on location because he was insistent on
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take or the second take. There
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shoots it in black and white because
as we all know that's that's always the

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cheaper option, right and then uh, no, no professional lighting equipment,

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Brad. He uses natural light for
this whole this whole thing. Yeah,

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And it's a little closer than you
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a little bit more tighter shots of
actors, not a lot of pullbacks and

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things like that. So you almost
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of that neighborhood, the you know, the littleness of the room and stuff

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like that. It doesn't really open
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Blonde's place. But other than that, you know, you're so tight and

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you know, constricted. But it's
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like claustrophobia. It's gotta be because
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all handheld, you know, he's
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It's interesting because to do that style
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story and in the film noir aesthetic. Let me think about this, this

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film, like you kind of talked
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about it's a little there's a little
confusion here here and there. That's because

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he's he's employing flashbacks, flash forwards. He's he's shooting out of He's he's

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showing this story out of sequence.
There's fast cuts, you know, and

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this is this is the beginning of
his of his style. But you know,

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think about it. You know you
saw this. You see this kind

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of filmmaking in Memento. Yep,
Batman begins the prestige. You definitely Oppenheimer.

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Oppenheimer just did it. You definitely
see it. Inception. Yeah,

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I want you to hear this Brad
speaking of his his style of shooting.

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You know, this is what Christopher
Nolan says, quote for me. Film

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noir is one of the only genres
where the concept of point of view is

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accepted as a fairly important notion in
the story telling, and where it's totally

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accepted that you can flash back and
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The best film there are always involves
a continuous reassessment of things, especially in

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terms of who's the good guy and
who's the bad guy. You want the

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double cross, you want the surprise, and you want to keep the audience

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mindful of the fact that they don't
know the full story and that they can't

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trust all the characters. Yeah,
that that that's that on and he's continued

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to do that throughout his career.
I think every Yeah, I think every

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movie he's done that. That that
quote sums up his his entire style.

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I'm gonna ask you, and I
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I'm interested to see what you're gonna
say, because, uh, you

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know, you might you might have
to censor yourself here. But when you

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when you when you think of a
pivotal scene here, Brad, you know

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something that's really important to the story. But maybe you know, not like

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the big, the big, the
best moment you know, anything come to

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mind for you? Um? Yes, when um Cobb has broken in or

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has been led into the young Man's
apartment and he lays out his life exactly

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how it is and how kind of
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he lays all that out there,
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because then you see why he's kind
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like that. I gotta be honest
with you. The young Man's apartment hauntingly

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similar to your very first. Yeah, spot in a sunset boulevard. I

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was like, damn this Brad Coz
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just it's small, it's I mean, and to have someone come into your

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life and you think that they've never
seen in your place before, and to

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analyze you kind of sure lock you, you know, and break you down

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and tell you everything about yourself,
and you're like, well that's not exactly

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right. Yeah, yeah, it's
true. Yeah, cops, cops brilliant.

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He's a sociopath, he's a he's
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he is, he is brilliant in
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you one. I'm gonna go a
different scene. Uh, for the similar

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reason, you know, because you
you mentioned Bill kind of the you know,

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the young man being what starts his
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I think it's the dinner scene between
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the uh the credit card. Yeah. For d Lloyd, Yeah, d

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Lloyd, I see that as that's
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makes his transition from curious writer to
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changes his confidence and almost his demeanor. M Well, let's take a quick

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Welcome back to a film by everyone
one. As we are discussing director,

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writer, producer Christopher Nolan, Brad, I've got something for you. I'm

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I'm gonna I'm gonna give you some
background, because every every hero has their

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origin story. Of course, I'm
gonna call this, Nolan begins, Okay,

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yeah, so, Brad. Christopher
Edward Nolan was born in London.

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He developed an interest in filmmaking at
a very young age, citing Ridley Scott,

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Stanley Kubrick, Michael Mann, and
Orson Wells as his influences. Brad,

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I'm gonna point out we've we've covered
two of those. I think it's

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time we we get the other two
on the on the books. So who

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who we haven't done? Wells and
Michael Mann. We just did Man Hunter.

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We didn't actually do a Michael Man. Yeah, I mean Man Hunter.

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That was that was part of our
limited series of nineteen eighty six.

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But we really you know, that
was about the movie manh. I feel

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like we owe we owe Michael we
will well. From age eleven, he

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aspires to be a filmmaker, and
having made several short films with his father's

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Super eight camera, his earliest work
is a stop motion film using his action

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figures, in an homage to Star
Wars that he calls Space Wars. We'll

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give it. You know, he's
eleven, so give him time. Yeah.

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As a teenager in nineteen eighty nine, he co directs Tarantella, which

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gets shown as part of a video
showcase for PBS. Really yeah. He

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attends University College London, better known
as UCL, where he majors in English

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Lit rather than film, and that's
at his father's suggestion because his dad says

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do something different so that you have
your options. But he meets his girlfriend,

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future wife and producing partner, Emma
Thomas. Following college, he takes

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work as a scriptwriter and a director
of corporate videos in industrial films. And

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here's the key, because using limited
equipment and self financing, he creates several

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shorts which gained the titchen on the
festival circuit. And that's kind of like

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the birth of where we get this
this incredible filmmaker, maybe one of the

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best of the twenty first century.
Absolutely. I mean, there are five

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filmmakers that can release a movie based
on their name alone. Steven Spielberg,

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Martin Scorsese, Quentin Tarantino, the
Coen Brothers, and who am I missing?

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Well, Nolan. Nolan would be
your fifth one, and Nolan would

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be the fifth one. Those ones
just on their name alone are the only

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people that can open up a movie
like that. And I mean, I've

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loved everything he's done since i've,
you know, saw Memento the first time.

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I think he is our modern day
Kubrick in a way, with a

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little bit of a little bit of
George Lucas, a little bit of Spielberg,

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but a little bit of everything,
but with a twenty first century mind

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to it. And he likes and
he likes to dazzle. You know,

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he likes Look, there's nothing wrong. You know, he wants to see

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a film in all of his movies
in the theater. He said, he's

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never gonna work for Netflix or anything
like that. But I mean he's one

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of the last true filmmakers. He
uses real film, loves the imax.

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I mean, he definitely is the
genuine article you wrong, proponent for using

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film, you know, never going
digital, strong proponent for seeing it on

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the big screen. You know,
I dig that about him, I really

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do. And I got something here, Brad that I think you're gonna you're

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gonna appreciate because this is one of
your favorite directors, one of my favorite

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directors. And when you get a
look at his top ten films, meaning

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these are the films that Christopher Nolan
says, these are these are my top

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ten, you get an idea of
why this guy is one of our favorites.

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Check this out, Brad. His
top ten films are two thousand and

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one A Space Odyssey, Disney's The
Black Hole from nineteen seventy nine, Blade

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Runner, Chinatown, The Hitcher,
nineteen eighty six, The Hitcher, The

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Hitcher. We covered that with the
with Jason Covin on our nineteenth six series

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Lawrence of Arabia on Her Majesty's Secret
Service. Wait, that's the only one

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with George Lazenby, Right, That's
the only one, and that all you

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know, all the all the years
of Bond, no one's no one's pick

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is is that one? Uh?
He also rounding out his top ten star

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Wars, a New Hope, The
Man Who Would Be King, and a

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film from nineteen sixty four called Top
Cappy. Yeah, I looked it up.

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It's basically it's it sounds kind of
like a an older version of Oceans

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eleven because it's all about a guy
trying to knock off a casino, like

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in Steel Jewels or something like that. But it starts a bunch of people

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we have never heard of, Brad, But I gonna tell you, just

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knowing that it's on his top ten
of all time, we gotta I'm gonna

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find I'm gonna find it because I
want to check it out now. The

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fact that he loves The Hitcher is
awesome though, isn't that a fantastic I

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saw that I was like, yes, this guy gets it, you know,

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well, I know. One of
the things that I found extremely interesting

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in the also to the fact that
he's, like you said, an English

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major, so I mean it's he's
very good at the writing stuff. He

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does not create a story outline,
you know, from the beginning of writing

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a screenplay, which shocks me due
to the not just obviously Oppenheimer, but

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all of his you know films post
you know, Batman begins require a lot

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of characters, and really good characters. The fact that he doesn't outline them

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out I mean, that's pretty awesome. I watched, uh, he did

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a promotional thing like it was like
an interview with al Paccino after they after

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Insomnia came out, and Paccino was
kind of interviewing him and talking about his

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process and that's and he was like, you he's he basically just what you're

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saying. He's like, I don't
like to do outlines. I don't like

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the storyboard. I don't know what
I want until I get on location and

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I'm there and I see it and
then I block it in my in my

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head, in my mind's eye,
and that's how I do it. And

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Pacino's like, that's fascinating. It's
like, speaking of fascinating, Brad,

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let's get into this guy's filmography.
Excellent filmography. Yeah, so obviously following

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his director to be a nineteen ninety
eight this movie, I think it wins

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awards at like five different film festivals, and all the while it's making him

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money to to finance his next picture, which is two thousands Memento. Uh,

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the movie still fascinates me as well
as it's done, is as low

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budget as it's done. I mean, it's it's a cool movie, but

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yet it's a mystery, and it's
a movie that I don't see too many

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people not liking this movie. I
mean you watch this and be like that's

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a good movie. You got to
be, you know, really dull to

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not like this movie. Well,
yeah, because I mean following we can't

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really we can't talk about it.
But right there's a there's one hell of

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a twist ending and that's it's it's
kind of like the blueprint for the rest

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of this guy's career because Memento,
you're watching it the whole time, like

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you're like, I don't know what's
going on. Now I do know what's

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going on, Like you think you
know and then and then you don't know,

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And yeah, I feel like Memento. It is one of those where

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you walk away going I love that, and I can't wait to watch it

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a second time. Yeah, and
start and start picking up on stuff.

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Would you watch it in chronological order? No, I don't think that would

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work, do you know? But
very interesting about our film Following, But

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apparently on the Criterion disc you can
watch Following in its chronological order by saying

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wow, yeah I I honestly,
I gotta say, if you watch it

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that way, I feel like it
becomes a good film rather than a brilliant

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film. Yeah, because you're not
guessing. Yeah, well you're not guessing

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as much. You know, You're
not. Yeah, you're being you're being

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00:33:16.319 --> 00:33:19.799
spoon fed, right, Yeah,
I don't want that. You're not as

406
00:33:20.119 --> 00:33:23.200
you're not as on your seat.
Yeah. You mentioned you mentioned the change

407
00:33:23.200 --> 00:33:29.680
of changing appearance of the young man
in following, uh, just randomly,

408
00:33:30.519 --> 00:33:32.200
and I was like, wait,
what what is going on? Like?

409
00:33:32.559 --> 00:33:35.680
Am I in the past? Am
I in the future? Where where am

410
00:33:35.680 --> 00:33:37.880
I in this story? Yeah?
You know, like you mentioned his black

411
00:33:37.920 --> 00:33:40.519
eye. You know, he obviously
you know, takes a beating at some

412
00:33:40.599 --> 00:33:45.000
point. But because he's shooting out
a sequence, you're you're trying to The

413
00:33:45.000 --> 00:33:49.960
great thing about Nolan is watching one
of his movies is like putting together a

414
00:33:50.039 --> 00:33:53.359
jigsaw puzzle. Yeah, it's frustrating, but it's fun. Yeah. Right,

415
00:33:54.079 --> 00:33:59.680
let's talk about two thousand and two, the film that we initially we're

416
00:33:59.759 --> 00:34:07.119
going to cover, Insomnia, starring
Alpaccino and maybe one of his creepier performances

417
00:34:07.840 --> 00:34:13.880
for Robin Williams. Yeah, this
was this is the same year that Robin

418
00:34:13.960 --> 00:34:19.360
Williams went evil. Yeah, he
did like this in one hour photo.

419
00:34:19.920 --> 00:34:22.880
I felt like right around the same
time. And apparently this is like one

420
00:34:22.880 --> 00:34:29.960
of Alpaccino's funnest times ever doing a
movie because he loved Robin Williams, he

421
00:34:30.079 --> 00:34:35.880
loved working with him, and this
film is a very another, very interesting

422
00:34:35.880 --> 00:34:43.559
story and a very interesting location.
And another thing of it might not be

423
00:34:44.079 --> 00:34:46.000
another like, wait a minute,
we're supposed to be following Alpaccino, but

424
00:34:46.119 --> 00:34:51.480
is he such a good guy.
He might not be. I mean,

425
00:34:51.519 --> 00:34:54.519
thankfully you got Hillary Swank in there
too to kind of anchor the movie and

426
00:34:54.559 --> 00:34:59.199
give you give you someone to like
say, hey, you know what right

427
00:34:59.280 --> 00:35:04.320
or wrong? I know that I
can trust her, yeause at the same

428
00:35:04.360 --> 00:35:07.559
time, like I gotta say,
as as evil and creepy as he is,

429
00:35:07.719 --> 00:35:14.280
Robin Williams is almost throughout the entire
movie, he's almost kind of lulling

430
00:35:14.320 --> 00:35:19.119
you into a sense of safe,
you know, into a sense of security.

431
00:35:19.239 --> 00:35:23.119
You're like, maybe he's not so
bad he is. I mean,

432
00:35:23.639 --> 00:35:29.760
for a second, I thought this
movie was gonna be another Al Pacinos a

433
00:35:29.800 --> 00:35:34.840
cop, He's gonna do his I'll
put your no thing. And then when

434
00:35:34.880 --> 00:35:39.039
it kind of turned out of like, he's not you know, Vincent Hannah,

435
00:35:39.039 --> 00:35:45.320
He's not Serpico, and instead he's
a guy with faults, you know,

436
00:35:45.400 --> 00:35:50.199
many of them. And so in
seeing him kind of you don't see

437
00:35:50.239 --> 00:35:55.519
Appuccino sweat too much anymore, and
in this movie he sweats, He gets

438
00:35:55.519 --> 00:36:01.199
nervous, he gets scared. So
it's it's interesting thing to see two actors

439
00:36:01.239 --> 00:36:07.280
that don't usually do this type of
thing go that way. So it's,

440
00:36:07.079 --> 00:36:12.519
um, it's such a fun movie. The idea of seeing them, oh

441
00:36:12.559 --> 00:36:17.280
it is, And the idea of
seeing two incredible actors, you know,

442
00:36:17.320 --> 00:36:22.000
Pacino and Williams going head to head. It's that makes that for me,

443
00:36:22.079 --> 00:36:28.199
makes it a must see right there. Yeah, two thousand and five,

444
00:36:28.960 --> 00:36:34.920
Brad, he takes on a job
because he's got bigger he's got bigger things

445
00:36:34.960 --> 00:36:43.199
on his mind. Yeah, and
he accepts directing responsibilities to reboot the Batman

446
00:36:43.400 --> 00:36:49.199
franchise and Batman we get Batman begins. Yeah, beat out a couple of

447
00:36:49.400 --> 00:36:52.719
big name people that were gonna take
over that franchise. There was going to

448
00:36:52.800 --> 00:36:59.400
be a Darren aronofsky Ye Batman like
Year one, which was originally what I

449
00:36:59.440 --> 00:37:01.400
was going to be called. There
was supposed to be a Justice League directed

450
00:37:01.400 --> 00:37:07.880
by Wolfgang Peterson, so there was
a lot going on. But when I

451
00:37:07.960 --> 00:37:10.960
heard his name, he I think
it had already been announced by the time

452
00:37:10.960 --> 00:37:16.840
Insomnia had come out, possibly around
that time. I had faith in it,

453
00:37:17.159 --> 00:37:21.840
and it didn't. You knew from
the promotions of this film that this

454
00:37:21.960 --> 00:37:28.679
was not the Batman of McDonald's anymore. There was no cross promotion with Happy

455
00:37:28.760 --> 00:37:31.800
Meals or anything like that. It
almost seemed like it was kind of a

456
00:37:31.840 --> 00:37:35.679
little film, you know, that
was a big summer for like War of

457
00:37:35.679 --> 00:37:39.400
the Worlds and Revenge of the Sith, and Batman was going to kind of

458
00:37:39.480 --> 00:37:44.199
squeeze in there. But when people
saw that they go that was the best

459
00:37:44.239 --> 00:37:46.199
movie of the summer, not the
ones that they told us was going to

460
00:37:46.320 --> 00:37:51.519
be. And after that, I
was like, this guy can do whatever

461
00:37:51.519 --> 00:37:57.920
he wants now. Yeah, and
then and he changes Hollywood because this is

462
00:37:57.960 --> 00:38:05.360
where like the earth of the reboot
right idea takes takes hold, Like all

463
00:38:05.360 --> 00:38:07.280
of a sudden, it's like,
well, yeah, we're gonna reboot it.

464
00:38:07.639 --> 00:38:10.599
You know, you know, we're
not remaking things anymore. We're rebooting

465
00:38:10.599 --> 00:38:15.199
and we're not going to continue on
from that Burton universe. You know,

466
00:38:15.239 --> 00:38:19.800
we're gonna we're gonna do it safe, and we're gonna keep it contained to

467
00:38:20.079 --> 00:38:23.360
three films. Yeah. I love
that. One thing I appreciate about Nolan,

468
00:38:23.760 --> 00:38:28.480
He's on record as saying, despite
his trilogy, his Batman trilogy,

469
00:38:29.000 --> 00:38:31.480
he has a very special place in
his heart for Tim Burton's Batman movies.

470
00:38:31.519 --> 00:38:38.239
He loves Tim Burton's Batman movies,
and he takes inspiration for Batman Begins from

471
00:38:38.320 --> 00:38:45.039
Richard Donner. He watches uh Superman
one and two and decides like it's time

472
00:38:45.079 --> 00:38:49.440
for a more realistic approach. Yeah. So I love that about him.

473
00:38:49.800 --> 00:38:52.079
Brad, what do you think of
his his you know, the following year,

474
00:38:52.159 --> 00:38:55.719
two thousand and six, he gives
us the prestige. I enjoyed it.

475
00:38:55.840 --> 00:39:01.480
I like those, um almost kind
of Victorian mystery things. You know,

476
00:39:01.480 --> 00:39:04.840
we talked a little bit about it
with it um when we were talking

477
00:39:04.840 --> 00:39:09.480
about Out of the Furnace, the
most recent Christian Bale film, The Pale

478
00:39:09.480 --> 00:39:15.039
Blue Eye or But But I liked
that, you know, the costumes,

479
00:39:15.159 --> 00:39:19.840
the stuff of saying we're gonna give
you magic, but we're gonna tell you

480
00:39:19.880 --> 00:39:23.519
from the beginning we're not doing magic. We're doing tricks and this is how

481
00:39:23.559 --> 00:39:29.039
you do them, and showing how
they do that. But making a story

482
00:39:29.280 --> 00:39:32.079
between those two I thought was was
very powerful of like who can be the

483
00:39:32.079 --> 00:39:37.599
best and stuff And it's a um, it's got a dark ending to it.

484
00:39:38.079 --> 00:39:40.320
You know, if you haven't seen
it, you know it's got some

485
00:39:40.639 --> 00:39:45.559
interesting stuff. But seeing these two
guys almost battled, you know, based

486
00:39:45.639 --> 00:39:51.480
with battle to the death over of
who is going to be the supreme magician

487
00:39:51.800 --> 00:39:55.519
of you know, of their field
is just I mean, it's an interesting

488
00:39:55.599 --> 00:40:02.239
drive. Yeah, Victorian era Hugh
Jackman going head to head with Christian Bale

489
00:40:04.079 --> 00:40:10.039
again electrifying performances and this is the
second of what six six films in a

490
00:40:10.119 --> 00:40:15.119
row that he does with Sir Michael
Kane. And yeah, you talked about

491
00:40:15.119 --> 00:40:17.280
the Michael, you know, like
the We're gonna show you a trick.

492
00:40:17.400 --> 00:40:23.800
I love Michael Kane explaining how how
a trick happens. You know that the

493
00:40:23.880 --> 00:40:28.000
turn and all, you know,
the prestige and all that. Yeah,

494
00:40:28.000 --> 00:40:31.679
man, this movie's fantastic. Absolutely
love it. He goes on, you

495
00:40:31.719 --> 00:40:36.159
know, right, Uh, Kane's
gonna be like his guy for a while

496
00:40:36.199 --> 00:40:42.880
because two thousand and eight we get
what Brad might be the greatest superhero film

497
00:40:42.920 --> 00:40:49.320
of all time. It very well
could be Dark Knight. Wow, it

498
00:40:49.519 --> 00:40:55.119
just never gets old. I can
watch this movie again and again and again.

499
00:40:55.320 --> 00:41:00.559
I mean actually all three of the
films, but this one particularly get

500
00:41:00.639 --> 00:41:05.199
excited by. Just I love the
way the film begins with that just kind

501
00:41:05.239 --> 00:41:09.199
of the little whistle and seeing the
kind of clouds come in. It was

502
00:41:09.239 --> 00:41:15.440
just that film was an event as
much as I feel that Oppenheimer is.

503
00:41:15.599 --> 00:41:21.239
You know, when people got done
seeing The Dark Night, you talked about

504
00:41:21.280 --> 00:41:24.880
it for an hour, you know
afterwards of the performances, what you saw,

505
00:41:25.000 --> 00:41:30.360
what the grand scale of it,
how it was a little bit of

506
00:41:30.480 --> 00:41:31.559
heat, and it was a little
bit of that, you know a little

507
00:41:31.559 --> 00:41:36.280
bit. It was everything and it
was so good and when it ended,

508
00:41:36.280 --> 00:41:40.320
you're like, oh wow. Well
and again, you know, back to

509
00:41:40.480 --> 00:41:49.559
his his love of noir, he
gives you these opportunities to take the bad

510
00:41:49.599 --> 00:41:52.440
guy or who you assume is a
bad guy, and the obviously in the

511
00:41:52.480 --> 00:41:57.320
Dark Knight, we know the bad
guy is the Joker. But what I

512
00:41:57.360 --> 00:42:01.320
love about Christopher nolan movies is the
good guys are flawed, and the bad

513
00:42:01.360 --> 00:42:06.880
guys, even though you know they're
bad, they're not really far off with

514
00:42:06.920 --> 00:42:09.400
some of their thoughts and ideas.
You know, the Dark Knight. Think

515
00:42:09.440 --> 00:42:13.320
about you know, joke the Joker
with you know, being an agent of

516
00:42:13.400 --> 00:42:17.280
chaos some of it so a lot
of what Heath Ledger says in that movie

517
00:42:17.280 --> 00:42:22.440
as the Joker, I'm sorry,
it makes sense. Yeah, you know.

518
00:42:22.719 --> 00:42:24.440
Yeah, and there are people that, like he said, just want

519
00:42:24.440 --> 00:42:29.880
to see the world burn. Yeah, it's it's it's an incredible movie.

520
00:42:29.960 --> 00:42:32.920
I absolutely love it. Uh,
you know, and and keeping the whole

521
00:42:35.159 --> 00:42:39.360
miss mysterious film to our concept.
Going two years later, twenty ten,

522
00:42:39.920 --> 00:42:51.039
we get the mind bending, uh
incredible film Inception. Yeah, and this

523
00:42:51.079 --> 00:42:57.119
film gave me a lot of um
ease because yeah, he can do Batman.

524
00:42:57.280 --> 00:43:02.880
We saw that and prestigious a good
film, but a big, bigger

525
00:43:02.920 --> 00:43:07.360
scale maybe not. He's still kind
of a smaller film. So I was

526
00:43:07.360 --> 00:43:09.480
a little worried is this gonna be
it? Is he only going to be

527
00:43:09.800 --> 00:43:14.840
a Batman guy? Or is he
gonna be able to kind of float back

528
00:43:14.840 --> 00:43:19.599
and forth? And so a lot
of my worries were put to rest after

529
00:43:19.639 --> 00:43:24.480
seeing Inception and be like, this
guy is not just a good action filmmaker

530
00:43:24.599 --> 00:43:31.880
or a good superhero filmmaker. He
is an excellent filmmaker for like I said,

531
00:43:32.159 --> 00:43:36.960
movies in the theater. That's a
theater movie. Brad, I have

532
00:43:37.000 --> 00:43:45.519
two questions for you regarding an inception. So he initially took on the Batman

533
00:43:45.599 --> 00:43:51.880
franchise, you know I mentioned earlier, I had mentioned that he had some

534
00:43:51.960 --> 00:43:54.960
big movies on the horizon and he
needed to finance them. So he takes

535
00:43:54.960 --> 00:44:00.159
on the Batman gig. Well,
the movie that he had been working on

536
00:44:00.280 --> 00:44:07.000
and planning for all the way back
from his days working on following is Inception.

537
00:44:07.920 --> 00:44:17.079
So my first question to you,
Following has a suave master thief named

538
00:44:17.119 --> 00:44:27.360
Cob like you said, he's smooth
inception as a suave master thief, and

539
00:44:27.440 --> 00:44:32.719
you cannot deny that Leonardo DiCaprio is
smooth as the character Cob. My question

540
00:44:32.760 --> 00:44:37.719
to you is it possible, you
know, obviously different actors, but is

541
00:44:37.719 --> 00:44:40.039
it possible that this is the same
Cob from following? Noah, because the

542
00:44:40.119 --> 00:44:45.519
Cob from following is a dick.
He's just a mean He does mean things.

543
00:44:46.159 --> 00:44:49.639
And I don't want to say some
of the things he does, you

544
00:44:49.639 --> 00:44:53.440
know, it just he just doesn't
burglarize their place. He does very just

545
00:44:53.639 --> 00:44:59.239
kind of jerkish things, right,
little sadistic. Yeah, no, but

546
00:44:59.360 --> 00:45:01.760
I mean I think it's a good
name the cop. You know that he

547
00:45:01.840 --> 00:45:05.840
keep brings it back. But now
I don't think they're the same person.

548
00:45:06.239 --> 00:45:07.079
All right, Well, you know, because you just said, like why

549
00:45:07.119 --> 00:45:12.360
would he do some of the things
he does, the young man in following

550
00:45:12.719 --> 00:45:15.239
asks that exact question. Yeah,
you know, when they're in the I

551
00:45:15.280 --> 00:45:21.000
love the line that Cob gives in
following, he says, if you take

552
00:45:21.039 --> 00:45:24.119
it away, you show them what
they had. Yeah, he's almost it's

553
00:45:24.119 --> 00:45:29.480
like a morality that he's teaching people
to appreciate what they have. Yeah,

554
00:45:29.639 --> 00:45:30.840
almost a little bit. That's kind
of what the Joker did, a little

555
00:45:30.880 --> 00:45:34.760
bit like I'm a little bit blow
it up because you guys don't know how

556
00:45:34.760 --> 00:45:37.639
well you got it. All right, Well, all right, you say

557
00:45:37.719 --> 00:45:40.239
that's not we're dealing with different cops. I'm cool with that. I'm curious

558
00:45:40.239 --> 00:45:43.880
what our listeners are going to say
about that, you know, once they've

559
00:45:43.880 --> 00:45:47.800
seen following and an inception. But
my second question to you, Brad is

560
00:45:47.840 --> 00:45:53.119
the age old question for Inception.
Christopher Nolan has been asked thousands of times

561
00:45:53.199 --> 00:45:58.920
and he always gives a purposely vague
answer. My question to you. At

562
00:45:58.960 --> 00:46:04.039
the end of Inception, when Cobb
takes his total out the top and spends

563
00:46:04.079 --> 00:46:08.559
it and walks away, it's spinning
strong. We see a slight wobble and

564
00:46:08.599 --> 00:46:13.039
then fade to black, cut to
black. I should say, so my

565
00:46:13.119 --> 00:46:19.079
question you was he dreaming or was
it reality? I think it was reality,

566
00:46:19.320 --> 00:46:22.800
and I'd like to see as much
as Cobb went through. I mean,

567
00:46:22.920 --> 00:46:27.320
especially when you see what he dealt
with, you know, dealing with

568
00:46:27.320 --> 00:46:31.480
Sato, and I'd like to see
I think he deserves a happy ending.

569
00:46:31.480 --> 00:46:34.880
I think he does deserve to be
with his kids. So yeah, i'd

570
00:46:34.920 --> 00:46:38.440
like to think that's reality. I
think my take on it is at that

571
00:46:38.519 --> 00:46:43.960
point, giving what he's gone through, I don't think he cares if it,

572
00:46:44.039 --> 00:46:45.880
whether he's dreaming or not. He's
where he wants to be. So

573
00:46:46.039 --> 00:46:51.079
Yeah, but I love I love
I love how how vague that ending is.

574
00:46:51.239 --> 00:46:53.119
I know some people were like,
what, but I kind of I

575
00:46:53.199 --> 00:46:57.440
kind of looked at it as a
little you know, he's dark, but

576
00:46:57.559 --> 00:47:00.800
he's also you know, he likes
to make audiences smile too. All right,

577
00:47:00.960 --> 00:47:06.880
well, speaking of smiling. Uh. Two years later, he's back

578
00:47:07.039 --> 00:47:12.320
in Gotham because he is completing his
trilogy with The Dark Knight Rises. Yeah.

579
00:47:12.400 --> 00:47:15.239
People got a problem with this film, and I got a problem and

580
00:47:15.440 --> 00:47:19.199
I got a problem with those people
because this is a really good movie.

581
00:47:20.079 --> 00:47:22.719
It is, you know, the
longest of all of them, but I

582
00:47:22.760 --> 00:47:28.559
think it's a really good film.
I think a character like Baine, which

583
00:47:28.599 --> 00:47:36.000
we only saw once very badly,
was a bold choice. But the way

584
00:47:36.039 --> 00:47:40.599
they did it, I thought that
having the city under siege with I mean,

585
00:47:42.840 --> 00:47:45.400
I like this movie a lot.
I don't know, people, Oh,

586
00:47:45.440 --> 00:47:47.599
it's just sure. The Dark Knight
is a great triumph. But I

587
00:47:47.639 --> 00:47:53.559
feel that all three of these films
are a great, perfect contained trilogy.

588
00:47:54.320 --> 00:47:59.760
Yeah, I like I like the
beginning. The beginning Plane Crash is so

589
00:48:00.079 --> 00:48:05.559
awesome. I I completely agree with
you. I don't understand why the movie

590
00:48:05.559 --> 00:48:09.119
gets the heat that it does.
Um, and maybe that's just because The

591
00:48:09.199 --> 00:48:13.800
Dark Knight it's hard. That's a
tough fact to follow. Yeah, but

592
00:48:13.840 --> 00:48:15.800
I think he does it. I
think The Dark Knight Rises is amazing.

593
00:48:16.440 --> 00:48:22.280
I love the you know, the
loose, the very loose adaptation of DC's

594
00:48:22.320 --> 00:48:24.519
No Man's Land that they did in
Batman, where Gotham was kind of you

595
00:48:24.559 --> 00:48:28.800
know, massive earthquake and then they're
annexed for a while. There's it's like

596
00:48:29.239 --> 00:48:32.159
martial law, there's no law.
I loved it. I love that you

597
00:48:32.199 --> 00:48:37.159
get the back crack, you know, the punching of the of the mask

598
00:48:37.280 --> 00:48:42.400
and seeing that was I would love
that poster of Baine walking back and seeing

599
00:48:42.440 --> 00:48:45.960
the Batman you know, cow just
broken in half. I was like,

600
00:48:45.239 --> 00:48:50.840
and that fight sequence, I love
it at it's done in imax, the

601
00:48:50.920 --> 00:48:53.159
sequence underneath. There's a lot of
good stuff in that movie. And I

602
00:48:53.199 --> 00:48:58.360
feel that that movie even now is
getting a little bit more. Oh,

603
00:48:58.440 --> 00:49:00.239
you know, people that didn't like
it it's maybe not so bad. Yeah,

604
00:49:00.280 --> 00:49:06.360
it's not so bad because it's awesome. I like it's not so bad

605
00:49:06.360 --> 00:49:13.000
because it's awesome. Yea, Brad, let's talk about awesome. Twenty fourteen

606
00:49:14.679 --> 00:49:20.559
Interstellar. Well, I'm gonna go
ahead and say I think this might be

607
00:49:20.639 --> 00:49:27.000
his best work. Well, you
mentioned his very first favorite film is two

608
00:49:27.039 --> 00:49:31.000
thousand and one of Space Odyssey,
and I think this film is a very

609
00:49:31.079 --> 00:49:37.119
good companion to that film. I
like there's a lot of similarities. There's

610
00:49:37.119 --> 00:49:42.159
a lot, but I think it's
a good if you're in the mood for

611
00:49:43.320 --> 00:49:49.480
letting your mind free of time and
space and kind of go on a you

612
00:49:49.519 --> 00:49:52.199
know, lunar kind of experience.
I think they kind of go hand in

613
00:49:52.239 --> 00:49:58.079
hand, you know. But I
think it's a very interesting film. It

614
00:49:58.079 --> 00:50:00.599
gets, I think a little bit
better each time I watch. Yeah.

615
00:50:01.280 --> 00:50:07.079
Um, you don't have to know
a lot about um, you know.

616
00:50:07.119 --> 00:50:13.159
I like he does these extremely complicated
things with quantum physics and all this stuff,

617
00:50:13.400 --> 00:50:16.880
but he always has somebody mapping it
out in Layman's terms. You know,

618
00:50:16.920 --> 00:50:21.800
you talk about like in the Prestige
and they Layman's terms and you know,

619
00:50:21.840 --> 00:50:23.840
an intersteller and an inception, they
say, oh, it sounds like

620
00:50:23.880 --> 00:50:27.239
this, but let me explain what
it is, and you're like, oh,

621
00:50:27.320 --> 00:50:30.440
okay, I got it. He's
greated at explaining what you're looking at

622
00:50:30.440 --> 00:50:36.719
to the audience and also saying have
fun, don't don't get too caught up

623
00:50:36.760 --> 00:50:39.960
on it. I'll throw the key
points in when you need to think about

624
00:50:39.960 --> 00:50:44.960
it, but relax and have a
good time too. I gotta I gotta

625
00:50:45.000 --> 00:50:49.760
check my Blue ray because I'm not
sure if it exists. But the music

626
00:50:50.000 --> 00:50:54.320
that Hans Zimmer does for Inception is
some of my favorite that Zimmer has ever

627
00:50:54.360 --> 00:50:59.400
done. You know, if there's
a if there's a like an isolated film

628
00:50:59.440 --> 00:51:04.320
score track, man, I gotta
check it out like that next time because

629
00:51:05.119 --> 00:51:08.199
I love the music and that you
know, yeah, probably McConaughey's best performance

630
00:51:08.400 --> 00:51:14.320
I think ever. Um, and
what a that was the year of the

631
00:51:14.400 --> 00:51:16.480
McConaughey. That was the year of
you know, alright, alright, alrighte.

632
00:51:16.559 --> 00:51:22.159
He went from true it was a
true Detective Dallas, you know,

633
00:51:22.320 --> 00:51:27.480
Buyer's Club, gets the Oscar in
that summer, does Interstellar and yes,

634
00:51:27.599 --> 00:51:31.920
I actually do believe it's one of
his better performances too, because um,

635
00:51:32.280 --> 00:51:36.480
it could be his accent, but
you know the way he's talking about farming,

636
00:51:36.519 --> 00:51:42.440
materials and technology and flying, it's
it doesn't sound like dialogue. It

637
00:51:42.559 --> 00:51:45.119
just sounded like, Yeah, it
just sounds like you know, farm talk.

638
00:51:45.679 --> 00:51:52.519
Yeah, I get it. Let's
go to twenty seventeen. He gives

639
00:51:52.599 --> 00:51:59.599
us a Dunkirk. Hm, man, what a great film. I have

640
00:51:59.679 --> 00:52:06.239
to tell a quick story about seeing
Dunkirk. I missed it as it initially

641
00:52:06.360 --> 00:52:12.559
ran in the theater, okay,
but luck had it to where I think

642
00:52:12.599 --> 00:52:17.000
it was through sag Aftra had a
screening of it on the Warner Brothers lot.

643
00:52:17.039 --> 00:52:24.159
It was sometime around October and they
were showing it in a regular like

644
00:52:24.840 --> 00:52:30.239
you know, good print on the
Warner Brothers lot with a after questionnaire by

645
00:52:30.519 --> 00:52:35.719
Christopher Nolan and cast and crew.
And I got to experience that and actually

646
00:52:35.880 --> 00:52:38.559
see him in person to of course, when they say Q and A,

647
00:52:38.719 --> 00:52:44.119
you don't really get to answer ask
questions from the crowd, but it was

648
00:52:44.239 --> 00:52:47.320
it was really cool to see that
and then it just to be in his

649
00:52:47.360 --> 00:52:51.320
presence, I was. I was
giddy, you know, it was giddy

650
00:52:51.360 --> 00:52:53.480
just to be and it looked great
on the big screen too, you were

651
00:52:53.719 --> 00:53:00.199
I remember the night you called to
tell me where you had been. You

652
00:53:00.239 --> 00:53:04.199
could not contain your excitement, and
I was so jealous. I was like,

653
00:53:04.519 --> 00:53:07.840
I can't believe you got to see
that because I was an answer question.

654
00:53:08.760 --> 00:53:12.920
Yeah, and it was. It
was such a great phone call because

655
00:53:13.559 --> 00:53:15.360
I was you know, I think
like the week or two weeks before that,

656
00:53:15.400 --> 00:53:19.039
I was telling you how awesome Dunkirk
was on the big screen and you're

657
00:53:19.039 --> 00:53:21.079
like, yeah, I'm trying to
get to it, and you missed it,

658
00:53:21.119 --> 00:53:22.920
and then you get that, and
I mean, I was happy for

659
00:53:22.000 --> 00:53:27.360
you, but I was I was
definitely a little jealous. Not gonna lie

660
00:53:28.440 --> 00:53:32.679
bright. Let's talk about twenty twenty. Maybe, you know, if if

661
00:53:32.719 --> 00:53:37.920
we can, if we can get
a movie that's more complex than Inception and

662
00:53:38.039 --> 00:53:43.400
more dazzling than Interstellar, it's got
to be Tenant. Yeah. I like

663
00:53:44.199 --> 00:53:47.480
it. I like Tenant. Um. It's also a little it's a little

664
00:53:47.480 --> 00:53:54.079
bit confusing, but I like it. I think great casting of John David

665
00:53:54.159 --> 00:54:00.719
Washington and like, Okay, they're
like, here's your new here's your new

666
00:54:00.840 --> 00:54:02.880
leading man. Right now. Um. I think it's I think it's a

667
00:54:02.960 --> 00:54:07.360
very interesting story. It's a it's
a fun watch. He's good at the

668
00:54:07.400 --> 00:54:12.199
spy, the espionage thing, you
know. With this, I don't know

669
00:54:12.239 --> 00:54:16.239
if he's gonna do like one more, you know, like Inception and Tenant.

670
00:54:16.280 --> 00:54:19.760
I'd like to think that Tenant and
Inception and was kind of living the

671
00:54:19.800 --> 00:54:23.440
same you know world. I like, like I could see them being like

672
00:54:23.519 --> 00:54:27.360
connected. Yeah, I could definitely
see them being connected. You know,

673
00:54:28.039 --> 00:54:30.519
I don't know where. I don't
know where you go after Tenant to kind

674
00:54:30.559 --> 00:54:35.000
of make like a you know,
a collection of trilogy. He'll figure it

675
00:54:35.000 --> 00:54:38.079
out. He'll figure it out.
I know he will. Well, I

676
00:54:38.159 --> 00:54:44.039
know, we we we kind of
started this episode talking about how incredible Oppenheimer

677
00:54:44.239 --> 00:54:52.000
was as blown expectations away at the
box office. Um, you know,

678
00:54:52.159 --> 00:54:55.119
I was telling Dayton, you know, because we saw it on Imax screen.

679
00:54:57.840 --> 00:55:01.679
Brent, I'm gonna ask you your
thoughts. Is it necessary to see

680
00:55:01.760 --> 00:55:06.639
Oppenheimer on on an Imax screen.
I don't think it's necessarily see it on

681
00:55:06.639 --> 00:55:09.400
an Imax screen. I did not
see it on Imax, but I did

682
00:55:09.440 --> 00:55:15.000
see a seventy millimeter film print on
it, so I got the seventy millimeter.

683
00:55:15.239 --> 00:55:19.360
Yeah, So it wasn't the Imax
seventy millimeter, but it was the

684
00:55:19.440 --> 00:55:22.880
seventy millimeter, and I think it
is a good Like you guys talked about

685
00:55:22.880 --> 00:55:25.559
it, it's a you know,
it's a long movie, but it moves

686
00:55:25.599 --> 00:55:30.960
along quick. Try to see that
it's a it's a film event. You

687
00:55:30.960 --> 00:55:36.039
know, it's not just a it's
not just a small movie that came out

688
00:55:36.079 --> 00:55:37.880
to somebody. You know, it's
a kind of a film event. You

689
00:55:37.920 --> 00:55:40.719
know. Make a night of it, make a make a dinner night of

690
00:55:40.760 --> 00:55:43.840
it, a date night, you
know, something that's you know, that's

691
00:55:43.880 --> 00:55:45.920
what me and my wife did,
you know, we you know, we

692
00:55:45.039 --> 00:55:50.679
made a night of it. We
went to the Westwood and Theater. It's

693
00:55:50.719 --> 00:55:52.400
the old school theater, so I
mean it was you know, and to

694
00:55:52.559 --> 00:55:59.239
hear that projector going at the same
time, you know, just I gotta

695
00:55:59.280 --> 00:56:01.280
tell what I guess, Like when
when it comes to Christopher Nolan, the

696
00:56:01.480 --> 00:56:05.800
theme for us is that you're always
gonna besting me and making me jealous.

697
00:56:06.920 --> 00:56:08.199
Yeah, but you know what,
I did not get to see Tenant in

698
00:56:08.199 --> 00:56:15.000
the theater because around here there was
nowhere showing it because of the lockdown.

699
00:56:15.360 --> 00:56:19.159
Yeah. I used to see Tenant
until it came out on disk. Yeah,

700
00:56:19.199 --> 00:56:22.920
but you saw the seventy millimeter print
of Oppenheimer. And there's only nineteen

701
00:56:23.000 --> 00:56:27.360
theaters in the United States that have
that, and you got to go to

702
00:56:27.400 --> 00:56:30.079
the one that guess. So I'm
happy for you and I'm jealous again.

703
00:56:31.800 --> 00:56:38.440
Brad Christopher Nolan has already stated he
is not considering any future projects until these

704
00:56:38.440 --> 00:56:45.480
strikes are resolved. With the writer's
gold and uh and Sage ask you,

705
00:56:45.880 --> 00:56:49.840
well, yeah, I totally get
that, But you got you got anything

706
00:56:49.880 --> 00:56:52.559
in mine that you know you would
want to see from him? Next?

707
00:56:52.760 --> 00:56:55.199
Okay, what have we seen?
We've seen action, We've seen comic book,

708
00:56:55.239 --> 00:57:04.559
We've seen science fiction, you've seen
biography. We haven't seen a period

709
00:57:04.719 --> 00:57:09.000
piece. Maybe, uh, sword
kind of play kind of film? Are

710
00:57:09.000 --> 00:57:15.039
you talking like swash? Yeah,
like a dark age, like a you

711
00:57:15.079 --> 00:57:19.239
know, medieval type of thing,
you know, with swords and you know,

712
00:57:19.440 --> 00:57:22.760
kings and queens and backstabbing. You
know, I think that would do

713
00:57:22.840 --> 00:57:27.320
well. Um. But also,
out of all these movies, you know,

714
00:57:27.400 --> 00:57:30.000
even though people are saying about up
Hummer, he hasn't jumped into horror

715
00:57:30.039 --> 00:57:39.440
yet. Could he ever give us
a big, crazy kind of summer horror

716
00:57:39.440 --> 00:57:46.400
film, would he? Dare?
I that's an interesting concept, and I

717
00:57:46.639 --> 00:57:51.199
you know I'm gonna see it regardless, but uh, I think there's only

718
00:57:51.239 --> 00:57:58.800
one option for me. Given his
long history with the Bond franchise, his

719
00:57:58.920 --> 00:58:07.280
love of it. Why are the
Broccolis not begging him to direct the next

720
00:58:07.360 --> 00:58:14.360
James Bond film? Because Christopher Nolan
doing James Bond that seems like the obvious

721
00:58:14.440 --> 00:58:16.920
choice to me. I couldn't even
imagine what he could he could do with

722
00:58:16.920 --> 00:58:22.400
it, and it does. But
I feel that he's kind of used things

723
00:58:22.440 --> 00:58:27.920
like Tenant an inception to kind of
make his own type of James Bonds,

724
00:58:28.280 --> 00:58:30.679
and a James Bond film like him
would be very good. You know,

725
00:58:30.719 --> 00:58:37.639
he was a big eye or the
guy that did Scott sam Mendez basically used

726
00:58:37.760 --> 00:58:40.480
Christopher Nolan as an inspiration to kind
of give us is good of the film

727
00:58:40.519 --> 00:58:45.880
as Skyfall. So I feel that
I almost kind of know a little bit

728
00:58:45.880 --> 00:58:50.159
of what we get with James Bond. And yeah, so he does espionage

729
00:58:50.159 --> 00:58:52.679
and spy thrillers very good, So
it would be too easy for it.

730
00:58:53.400 --> 00:58:57.320
I don't know about that, but
Brad, I do want to hear your

731
00:58:57.320 --> 00:59:04.000
final thoughts about following and whether or
not you recommend it if you think you've

732
00:59:04.000 --> 00:59:08.280
seen everything Christopher Nolan, and you
want to see what he can do with

733
00:59:08.519 --> 00:59:15.519
no money. Watch following and you
can realize that this man is very gifted

734
00:59:15.000 --> 00:59:20.239
and he is a very talented filmmaker. He is a very talented screenwriter.

735
00:59:22.079 --> 00:59:28.559
And I hope that he just continues
on to keep thrilling us into surprising us.

736
00:59:29.840 --> 00:59:32.039
You know, we've I don't want
to see a Quentin Tarrant to anything

737
00:59:32.079 --> 00:59:35.559
like, oh this is this is
my last film and then I'm I'm done.

738
00:59:35.599 --> 00:59:38.199
You know, that's respect to him
and to do that. But I

739
00:59:38.639 --> 00:59:44.119
love that he's giving us a new
film every couple of years. And sure

740
00:59:44.599 --> 00:59:47.079
he says he's got nothing on his
but there's something up there. You know,

741
00:59:47.159 --> 00:59:51.679
he's I feel like, I mean, because as big as his movies

742
00:59:51.719 --> 00:59:55.559
are, he does not take a
long time between films. I mean,

743
00:59:55.719 --> 01:00:01.000
yeah, Kubrick's is here about Kubrick's
a long time between movies. And you

744
01:00:01.039 --> 01:00:06.519
know he has mentioned that really Scott
is one of his influences. Look what

745
01:00:06.639 --> 01:00:09.039
really Scott's going? I mean,
God never stops. So I'd like to

746
01:00:09.079 --> 01:00:15.719
see you know, my kids seeing
you know, a Christopher Nolan film in

747
01:00:15.880 --> 01:00:17.719
you know, twenty years. Well, in my lifetime. I hope,

748
01:00:17.760 --> 01:00:21.639
I hope we get your horror film. I hope we get my James Bond

749
01:00:21.639 --> 01:00:27.360
film. Until then, following,
in my opinion, is a must see

750
01:00:27.400 --> 01:00:31.239
for any fan of Christopher Nolan,
any fan of independent film, any fan

751
01:00:31.280 --> 01:00:37.199
of film noir. When you watch
it, you know, you just assume,

752
01:00:37.320 --> 01:00:39.199
like, yeah, this is an
independent film. They probably only spent

753
01:00:39.239 --> 01:00:43.360
like fifty to sixty thousand dollars on
this, And to know that this man

754
01:00:44.480 --> 01:00:51.119
did this kind of film for six
thousand dollars, Wow, must see.

755
01:00:51.199 --> 01:00:54.599
It is currently streaming free on two
B. So we don't know what Christopher

756
01:00:54.599 --> 01:00:59.039
Nolan is gonna have next, But
you never took that vow, Jeff.

757
01:00:59.079 --> 01:01:04.719
So what we got coming up next
time? We are finally getting back to

758
01:01:04.800 --> 01:01:07.639
the nineteen seventy six series that we
kicked off a couple weeks ago. Uh,

759
01:01:07.840 --> 01:01:10.519
you know, we had some schedule
changes, you know, a couple

760
01:01:10.519 --> 01:01:14.320
of things going on, and uh, and I get it, you know,

761
01:01:14.480 --> 01:01:15.880
fans of seventy six where you know, I don't want them to be

762
01:01:15.920 --> 01:01:19.199
mad as hell. I know they're
not gonna take anymore, Brad, So,

763
01:01:19.920 --> 01:01:23.400
uh, you and I are going
to tackle uh, Sidney Lamet's network

764
01:01:23.960 --> 01:01:30.079
Yeah, it's gonna be a good
one. Until then, check us out

765
01:01:30.119 --> 01:01:35.280
www dot film by podcast dot com. You can always reach out to us

766
01:01:35.639 --> 01:01:38.159
at a film by podcast at gmail
dot com. Hit us up on social

767
01:01:38.199 --> 01:01:43.760
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768
01:01:43.840 --> 01:01:47.440
did. We love interacting with people, especially on Twitter, especially on Facebook

769
01:01:47.480 --> 01:01:53.719
and Instagram. Let us know what
you what you're thinking and uh until then,

770
01:01:53.760 --> 01:02:05.880
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