June 8, 2025

Clint Eastwood - Space Cowboys

Clint Eastwood - Space Cowboys
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Season 6 A Film By...

To commemorate the film's 25th anniversary, Andrew and Amber make their way to NASA's Mission Control to monitor Clint Eastwood's 2000 space drama, Space Cowboys!

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Amber. Are you familiar with the name Ed Dwight.

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I feel like I should be, but no, we're both

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space nerds, so I thought maybe you might, but it's

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not a name everybody knows.

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Let me tell you a little bit about Ed Dwight.

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He was born in Kansas in nineteen thirty three and

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listed to the Air Force in fifty three. Got a

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degree in aeronautical engineering, was a skilled test pilot, so

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he was a natural shoe in to go to the

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Edwards Air Force Base for the Advanced Research Pilot School

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under Chuck Yeger. He's recommended for Astronaut Group three, which

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is the group that contained Buzz Aldrin and Michael Collins

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of Apollo eleven, fame, Bill Anderswalt Cunningham, Gene Sermon, all

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these guys that walked on the Moon. But then after

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Kennedy was assassinated a few days later, he got orders

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to ship out to Germany. I forgot to mention this

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is because he was black, so white exactly now. I

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bring that up because about a year ago, in May

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twenty twenty four, he became the oldest man in space.

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Ed Dwight, at ninety years old, got to fly on

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Blue Origin and he beat out Shatner, who was also

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ninety but a few months younger. And so I just

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thought it was a really great story about redemption, about

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getting to go to space in your old age and

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those missed opportunities. I'm just found that really really heartwarming.

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Yes, absolutely, And I'm.

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Sure you can see why that's been on my mind,

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because today I was hoping we could talk about a

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film by Clint Eastwood, his two thousand underrated classic Space Cowboys.

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I'm so excited to talk about this movie. I've watched

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this movie a bunch. It's one of my mom's favorites. Fantastic,

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It's it's definitely a departure for Clint Eastwood, which we'll

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get into. But you know, I'll be the captain on

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this episode, but I'm not going to be able to

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do it without my mission specialist here, Amber Lewis. Thank

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you for joining me.

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Oh, I'm always ready to talk about NASA and space

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and NASA in space.

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Yeah, I feel like you all you and I always

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get on these episodes. We talked twenty ten a while ago. Yes, Yeah,

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I actually Jeff called me years ago. My very first

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episode was one of the nineteen eighty six episodes for

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Space Camp.

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Oh my gosh, I lived that movie.

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I lived and loved that movie. I've been to Space

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Camp myself twice, which is exactly why he called me. Yeah,

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oh absolutely, I'll share my pictures and my stories. But

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so tell me, what are your thoughts on Space Cowboys.

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Well? I always think of my dad because my mom.

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My dad went to a very small high school in Eton, Indiana,

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and my mom went with him to his I don't

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even know what year high school reunion, but it was

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when he was in his sixties, and she said that

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watching him with his buddies was like watching this movie.

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It was just like, you know, there weren't many of them,

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and yeah, you know, they were all big personalities. And

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so she gets a kick out of this movie because

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she always sees my dad and his high school buddies.

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Oh that's that's adorable. Especially just I love the idea

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of referring to anything Clint Eastwood does as adorable because

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he's the must scratchy old man. So we're talking about

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Clint Eastwood. This was a bit of a departure for him.

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He's he's had a long career as a director, as

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a writer, as a producer. I've got some fun facts

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about him, but I you know, I know Jeff likes

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to have three fun facts, but I also like to

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break the rules a little bit. So I've got four

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fun facts about Clint Eastwood for you. First, as just

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the crazy man that he is, he actually not only

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survived a plane crash in open water when he was

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in the Army, he survived in shark infested waters and

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swam back to shore three to four miles through shark

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infested waters. That's the one of the coolest things. I

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would never stop telling that story.

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Serious is terrifying. But then also like I can't imagine

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the shark that would be brave enough to bite Clint Eastood.

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They're probably, you know this guy, We're gonna just keep

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it wide birth.

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His his skin's like leather. I don't want to bite

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into that. No, he does credit he was a lifeguard

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when he was younger, and so he was a very

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strong swimmer. And he also said he was not aware

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that it was shark infested waters, otherwise that might have

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had a very different toll on his psyche. But moving

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into his film career though as an actor, obviously he

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has had you know, a crazy career. He's an icon.

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He was offered some other really iconic roles. First, he

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was actually offered James Bond for the movie Live and

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Let Die. He was very early on in the process,

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but immediately he said, no, that should be a British actor.

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I'm not going to do that, which was the right

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call for sure. Yes, I mean, I don't get me wrong.

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You know, he's He's done some characters that I think

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have James Bond energy. I know, you know, you guys

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are just talked about the the Iiger Sanction recently and

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definitely some Bond vibes there, but also very different. He's

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his own energy, you know.

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Yes.

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He also was very very early on and talks to

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play Superman just because he's he was a name to

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attach to it. But I mean it's clearly that was

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wrong and he knew it. So he said, no, pretty were.

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Just making a list of everybody of a certain age.

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I think somebody just said, hey, who's big right now?

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Just call him?

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You know.

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Yeah, there's no way you look at Clane's to it

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and thinks Superman.

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But heat here we are.

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So the next fun fact is as a director, he

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is I mean, he's known for being a crotchety old man.

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I think he was even before he was old, but

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it comes through in a lot of his work. He

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does very minimal makeup, very minimal lighting, and he doesn't

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really let people do a bunch of rehearsals. He says,

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you know, show up, we're going to get this in

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one take. He'll do two if there's a mistake. But

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he really does one takes and burns through it. And

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everybody says working with him is exhausting, but according to him,

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it's not because he's fast. It's just because he doesn't stop.

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It's just one thing and then another and another, and

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I think that's it shows through. It's a very minimalist

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way of going about it, but it creates a different

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tone in all his movies, and I love that.

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I love this story that I've heard from multiple actors

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that he talks very quietly when he directs because he's

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used to being around horses and you don't want to

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shout action and scare the horse, so he says very quietly.

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When it's time to begin, he'll be like, okay, go ahead,

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and then when they're done, I'll say, you know, stop

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or that's enough. Of that crap. Okay, good moving on,

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and he's just so understated and they're like it takes

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a while to get used to it, but once you do,

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it's like pretty cool.

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Yeah. I mean, he definitely knows his way around a

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good film. You know, love him or hate him, the

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guy can make a good film. Yes, it's also funny

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you mentioned him being so comfortable around horses. He's allergic

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to horses. I recently found.

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Out, oh my gosh.

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Which is just of all the.

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People right, so commercials for Benadrel.

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With his.

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Yeah. The last fun fact I got to bring up though,

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because this plays into his rebel spirit a little bit.

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His production company mal Passo translates directly to bad Step,

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and the reason he named it that was when he

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was offered the role of the man with no Name

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and a fist full of dollars. His manager said that

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that would be a bad step in his career, and

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apparently he never forgot that or let it go. So

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I love that he's just that that crouchy old man

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in real life as well.

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Yep.

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So before we get into the movie, I want to

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hit you with one last little quote from Clint East

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two about filmmaking, and I think that this makes a

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lot of sense given what we know about the guy.

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But he said, like most pictures that I've done, I've

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had no idea whether anyone would ever want to see him,

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but I figured I'd like to see him. It's just

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that simple, understand, Ye, Humble, that's our guy.

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Oh my goodness.

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So let's talk about space cowboys now. But this is

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pretty far into his directorial career. He started directing in

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the seventies, so when he got to this one, I

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love that he went with a different tone. It's not

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a cowboy movie. It's it's a little more lighthearted. But

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let me offer you a little synopsis of it here.

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In nineteen fifty eight teen Datalus, the Elite Air Force

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test pilots Frank, Hawk, Jerry, and Tank were poised to

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become America's first astronauts, but fate had other plans. Forty

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years later, a crippled Russian satellite threatens Earth, and NASA

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turns to Frank for help because only he understands the

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obsolete system. On these conditions, his old team got a

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shot the mission they were denied. Now these geriatric flyboys

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must prove they still got the right stuff as they

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train alongside younger astronauts, defy expectations, and embark on adventures

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of a lifetime. So you said you've loved this movie

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it reminds of your parents. I gotta say it's the

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same for me. This is the kind of movie that

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my mom would always well, let's watch something Oh what

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do you want to watch? Something fun? This is the

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exact ultimate example of something fun. It's not too heavy,

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it's not too dark. There's some drama, but you're really

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watching it for the fun, right.

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Yeah.

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It reminded me of Armageddon, is of the the joking

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around and the building of the team, and kind of

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the adversarial two teams, you know, kind of aspect of it,

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but just a much more lighthearted version of a doomsday scenario.

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Yeah.

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Much more grounded than that too, I think. Yeah, it's

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especially given that it's it's premise. I mean, I think

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both were unfortunately very realistic. You know, a meter hitting

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us could absolutely happen. But you know, this is a

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movie starring people that were at the peak of their

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careers during the Cold War, So a nuclear threat on

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a Russian satellite makes a lot of sense for a

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very realistic, grounded threat.

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Yes, I did think it was funny though that Like

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it was like the Russians have never changed, They're still liars.

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Yeah, dude, grow up a little bit.

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Yeah, he's still wearing the uniform.

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Like, Yeah, it's a it's definitely a bit cartoonish, and

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you could tell Clint eastoo's got some some of his carrying,

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some of his I don't want to say xenophobia, but

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his cold war to hatred is carried over into this

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for sure. The cartoonish evil villain. So this movie is

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really for me. It's it's a cast movie, it's an

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ensemble movie. Clint east was obviously leading it, but we've

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also got the other members of teen Dale, Tommy Lee Jones,

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James Garner, and Donald Sutherland. Who are the reasons that

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Clintie should said he wanted to do this movie really,

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He's like, I want to work with these guys. I

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think it'd be fun. So let's start with Tommy Lee Jones.

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Let's what are your thoughts on him in this movie.

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I love his scenes with Marcia gay Harden. Yeah, it's

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so against type, Like everything else he's doing is typical.

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Tommy Lee Jones, Texan you know bravado, but his scenes

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with her are so delightful and have such a sweet

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sense of humor and you know, some chivalry and I

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just love that whole part.

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Yeah, it's not something you see from him a lot.

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He's kind of flirty, like he's fun, and that's that

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is not you know, we've seen the gruff and the

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tough and the sarcastic Tommy Lee Jones and a bunch

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of movies, but this was definitely a different side from him,

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and especially interesting coming from an Eastwood movie to get

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something so wholesome and just cheerful.

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third act there is diagnosed with terminal cancer, which changes

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the tone of the movie for sure, and changes the

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tone of his character. How did you feel about that choice.

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you know, it's gonna it's fine, like just send him

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and you know that ends up being a plot point

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that is is important later on. I don't at all

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love the end of his story.

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spoilers early on, you know.

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think it has a lot of grace to it.

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you know, you compared it to Armageddon, and Armageddon is

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you can just turn your brain off and it's fine, like, oh,

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that doesn't make sense. You know, the classic story of

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ben Affleck, you know, trying to make it make sense.

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He's like, you know, why would we be doing this

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when they could just trainationaluts to Drell. He's like, shut up. Then, yeah,

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I get that this one because it feels a little

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more grounded. Sometimes when they make the decisions to you know, oh,

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he's got cancer, we'll send him up anyway, I'm like, no,

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they wouldn't. I'm sorry, they don't care about the pr

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movie like this realistic and grounded, which they did a

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very good job of, is certain when they do take

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those certain liberties, I'm like, okay, come.

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it all falls apart.

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as Tank. I love James Garner.

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or says, and has been his whole life.

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he had kind of the least presence of all of

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the characters.

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he you know, he's born again Christian I guess, or

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a reverend or pastor or something, and so they kind

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of give him a couple of references to that and

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ask him to say a prayer here and whatnot. But like,

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as far as actual development, as far as what he does,

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you know, he operates the Canada Arm, which grabs the satellite,

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which they try to make some high stakes thing and

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pretty boring. Yeah, So yeah, he did sort of feel

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like he was just there because they wanted James Garner

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in it. And I'm not complaining because I like his

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rapport with the group, But yeah, he was easily the

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most overlooked character, unlike Donald Sutherland, who I think really

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just took every opportunity in this movie. He's hilarious.

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Marcia gay Harden and he kisses her hand and he says,

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you can call me anytime, I blushed, like my whole

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face turned red. I don't know how she made it

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through that scene. I would have fainted.

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It's I mean, it's Donald Sutherland though he's looked old

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since he was like thirty, right and so, and when

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he shows up, he's got like this awful long ponytail,

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like this solid white ponytail.

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It's just he's coke bottle glasses.

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so hard. He's like this playboy esque character despite being

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old man Donald Sutherland is, But he pulls it off,

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you know what I mean. Not a lot of people could,

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so I know. Clint Easwood said he specifically did this

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movie because he wanted to work with these guys, both

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because they're they're venerated actors, but also just because he

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thought it'd be fun. And if I had to rank

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the reasons to see this movie. Their dynamic is top

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of the list.

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Oh my gosh. Yes. The chemistry that the four of

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them have is just sparkles.

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Yeah. And then the exact opposite of that chemistry is

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James Cromwells.

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The farmer from Baby and he's so.

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being awful. Has been in quite a few movies where

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he plays the bad guy, and everything I understand about

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him as a person is he is just delightful. He

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is sweet, he's charming. I remember after he filmed Babe,

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he went full vegetarian because he was so taken with

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the animals. I think he might have gone vegan. I

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don't know, don't quote me on that. But just the

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sweetheart of a man. And he plays such a dick

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and he's so good at he's oh awful, he h.

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He several times throughout this movie is making decisions that

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like you can tell, he's talking, you know, out of

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one face to this person another one over here. And

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in the news he puts on his charming you know leader,

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you just want to punch him. Just such a punchable guy. Uh,

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And that's perfect to play across Eastwood. The only issue

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I have is Eastwood doesn't punch him at any point

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in the movie, and that just seems ridiculous.

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Yes, he's just screaming for it.

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You can't put him opposite Clint Eastwood with that punchable

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face and not have him do it. But I'm sure

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that's maturing.

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He is always the boss of him too, So.

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Yeah, true, very true. I also mentioned Marsha Harden, who is,

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in my opinion, the emotional heart of the movie, but

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also just a fantastic character. I love her intelligence, I

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love her her sassiness. I love how strong they made

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her role in Nasa as a woman in stem, especially

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in the year two thousand. I love everything about her

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except the bangs.

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Oh my god, who did she piss off to get

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that wig? It's I oh, so atrocious. I don't even

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I can't even, I don't even know.

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It's it's painful to look to the point where I

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watched this one with my wife. She had never seen

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it before, so we were prepping for this and we

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sat down and she comes on screen and Devn just says, no,

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those bangs are a choice. First thing out of her mouth. Yep, yep,

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I knew that was common there's got to be something.

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you know, this kind of strong figure there at NASA.

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I love at the end, she's very emotional. She's formed

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a bond with these guys, and particularly with Tommy Lee Jones,

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and you know, there comes a point where she's crying

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because you know, the stakes are really high, and but

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she holds it together. She doesn't like break down and

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freak out. She like wipes her tears away, and she's

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very focused on her job. And I thought that was

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amazing that she wasn't a cliche.

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Yeah, especially you know, you know, we talked about this

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being a grounded NASA film, and I think Eastwood took

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a lot of effort into making it accurate or at

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least believable in that sense. And so you know, everybody

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in the control room, including her, who's emotional about what's

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going on, are still just okay, here's the problem, let's

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work it, let's solve it. You know, they're not fighting

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at each other and like at each other's throats as

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much as I wanted them to punch James Cromwell, everybody's

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just solving the problem. And I do love that. I

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love those kind of depictions because whenever they make them

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all like at each other's throats, and it's like, that's

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not come on, Like they're professionals. Let's not undermine that.

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So I want to talk a little bit about the

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production you and I both mentioned earlier, though it's not

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a lot of production history on this one. I think

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Clainy Schwood was a little bit tight lipped, but also

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it just it seems like he's kind of no nonsense.

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I couldn't find any fun stories or any gossip. So

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just to give you a brief background. Though it was

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filmed in July nineteen ninety nine, the majority of it

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was shot in Los Angeles, but they obviously did some

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shots at Johnson Space Center Kennedy Space Center. They did

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some interiors for the satellites and the aircraft and stuff

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in Burbank. I think to achieve the realism east we

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collaborated closely with NASA using actual training facilities. They trained

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in the Neutral Buoyant Lab, which is that big pool

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you know that you get in with space suits. They

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trained on actual shuttle simulators in camera. Most of the

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weightlessness was simulated through combination of rigs and camera tricks

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and miniatures because they just really don't want to put

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these old guys on the vomit commet, which is you know,

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this was filmed with probably about three or four years,

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I think after Apollo thirteen came out, and I have

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yet to see a movie before or since that nailed

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the zero G the way Ron Howard did. But the

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filming for that is grueling. It's difficult. It can make

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people nauseous, and I think especially with these guys getting

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up there in age, and especially the director making the

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decision for himself was like, I don't want to put

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myself through that. I'm not going to do that.

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I heard an interview with him where he said that

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he had never aspired to be an astronaut back in

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the day. That was not anything that ever captured his

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imagination being in that little, tiny, confined space, and so

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I can't imagine him being willing to go through with

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the vomit comment that you through.

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I mean, that's funny because I would kill to get

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on that thing. But that's you know, that's just me.

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So Ilm handled the visual effects, which I think are stunning.

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You know, I hadn't watched this one in a couple

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of years, but I watched it back and I think

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they still really hold up. It's I was really impressed,

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especially a lot of space shots.

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Yeah, there's a shot where you're looking from the satellite

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into data lists, like through the you know windows, at

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the crew inside data lists, and just everything about that

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space shot I absolutely loved. I love the idea of

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Clint Eastwood and George Lucas collaborating.

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I can't imagine them getting along for even a second, right.

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I think George was like, here are the keys and

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I'm going to go now you we.

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Can communicate via email. That's yeah. It was nominated for

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Best Sound Editing. I think as it's only an Oscar

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nom which makes sense. This isn't exactly you know, Oscar

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bait material, but I love that it's still got something

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out there because again the effects in this we are

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really really good. At twenty five years old, and I

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still loved him.

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So speaking of sound, we need to mention the score

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by Lenny Nehouse. We have our Payload specialist Wayne Whited

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here to give us his expert analysis of the score.

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Over the years, there have been some legendary director composer pairings.

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Alfred Hitchcock and Bernard Herman, Tim Burton and Danny Elfman,

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Steven Spielberg and John Williams. But one that has often

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overlooked but nonetheless important or substantial, would be the pairing

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of director Clint Eastwood and is frequently used composer Lenny Niehaus.

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Over the course of his expansive career of nearly fifty

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six years, Kneehouse would work with Eastwood no less than

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fifteen times, usually as a composer for the scores to

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his films. Kneehouse was very well known in Hollywood as

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an orchestrator, a talented musician, working behind the scenes with

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many great film composers like Jerry Fielding, John Addison and

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Danny Elfman. His association with Jerry Fielding was the greatest,

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and the two work together on many films and television series,

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including Straw Dogs, The Bad News Bears in nearly two

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dozen episodes of Hogan's Heroes. Lynny Niehouse has already known

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Eastwood from way back. The two had first met when

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served together in the US Army at Fort Ord back

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in the nineteen fifties. Neeehouse had worked as an orchestrator

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on the film's type Rope and The Outlaw Josie Wales,

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both films Clint Eastwood start in. It wouldn't be until

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nineteen eighty five that he would actually score a film

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for the director, his first being a big hit Western

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Pale Rider. Earlier that same year, he would score Vanessa

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in the Garden, an episode of Steven Spielberg's TV series

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Amazing Stories, also directed by Clint Eastwood. Their professional relationship

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would continue for many years, and Niehouse would ultimately score

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fourteen of Eastwood's projects up until the two thousand and

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two film Blood Work. Afterwards, he stepped back from his

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scoring duties and returned to orchestrations, which would allow Wow

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him to work with the director for another six films

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before ultimately retiring after sixty years in the business, before

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passing away at the age of ninety and twenty twenty.

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The score for the two thousand film Space Cowboys, directed

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by Clint Eastwood and starring himself, Tommy Lee, Jones, Donald Sutherland,

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and James Garner, is another unique masterpiece from composer Lenny Nahouse.

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The film starts off with a soft and beautiful main

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theme using gentle strings and a solo piano, while the

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score itself is quite short, there are some great highlights within.

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The composer brings a lot of full orchestra of Gravadis

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with a heavy use of brass and strings to tell

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the story with sweeping themes for both the main cast

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and its younger secondary players. There's also a fantastic fanfare

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march for the full marching band in orchestra, a definite

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standout when heard first in the film. Throughout the second

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half of the film, Kneehouse mixes subtle string harmonies in

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brass with the and the pieces where the Data List's

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crew reached to space, as well as the momentasque played

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for their return home is incredible. It's a wonderful score throughout,

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which comes to no surprise that it was nominated for

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a BAFTO Award and one second place the Los Angeles

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Film Critics Association Awards, shared with Charlie Parker due to

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the unique production process to create the final mix. Now,

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this is the point where I usually tell you how

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the score has been released and how you can get

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it to listen to it at home. However, like most

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of Lenny Hawas's films and television scores, the music to

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Space Cowboys has never officially been released in any format.

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What we did get was an album compilation a CD

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of popular music and songs heard in the film like

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I Only Have Eyes for You, the Best Is Yet

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to Come, and the Frank Sinatra hit fly Me to

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the Moon, among others, but not a second of knee

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House's music. Back in two thousand, Warner Brothers did print

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off an extremely limited number of for Your Consideration CDs

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of the score for the Academy Award members on the

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board to hear and consider the nomination, which is a

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common thing for the studios to do. No more than

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one hundred CDs were printed, and it is nearly impossible

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to get your hands on a copy without paying hundreds

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of dollars, even if you could find a copy. Lenny

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Neehouse is a wonderful and talented composer and jazz musician,

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one of the best Hollywood has brought us, and I

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hope that one day one of the labels will find

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it time to release Space Cowboys on CD, as well

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as many of his other works like Heartbreak Ridge, the

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TV mini series Titanic, which I remember to have an

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incredibly powerful score, and even the Rookie So the next

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time you're watching a Clint Eastwood film and see the

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name Lenny Nehouse appear on the screen, tune in your

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ears and listen carefully to the music underneath, because you're

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in for an incredible musical experience.

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Thank you so much, Wayne, Your insight was amazing as always,

518
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particularly since I didn't really notice the score to this movie,

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as I gotta be honest, so I'm gonna have to

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go back and watch it again with those comments in mind.

521
00:28:06.440 --> 00:28:10.880
So moving on, Andrew, how were the reviews for Space Cowboys?

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What do people think?

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The reviews were overwhelmingly positive. Roger Ebert called it a

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minor jam with style. He actually compared it to Armageddon

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very favorably. As I'm sure you can imagine. It holds

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a seventy eight percent critics score in Rotten Tomatoes, which

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it always really comes back to. All of yous come

528
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back to the actors' performances and the ILM's effects. Gross

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ninety thousand, sorry ninety million domestically, which outperformed expectations for

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a film like this. You know, you don't expect a

531
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bunch of senior citizen leeds, no real Hollywood A listers,

532
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but it still it did really, really well. It exceeded expectations.

533
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So yeah, I love this movie. I've seen in a

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million times, and it seems like the critics agree with us.

535
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I remember that summer you could not get away from

536
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the InSync Space Cowboys song, and you only hear it

537
00:29:04.079 --> 00:29:06.559
for like ten seconds in the movie, and it doesn't

538
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even play over the end credits.

539
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Yeah, it doesn't, It doesn't.

540
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That song was at all everywhere. All right, let's take

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a quick break, and when we come back, we will

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talk about the pivotal moment.

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So what what are some of the scenes that stand

544
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out to you. I know we've kind of touched on

545
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a couple, but what are some scenes that you think

546
00:29:28.440 --> 00:29:30.000
of when you think of Space Cowboys.

547
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I'm kind of jumping around, but the first one that

548
00:29:32.799 --> 00:29:37.000
always comes to mind is when they're at NASA and

549
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their training and there's the young team of astronauts and

550
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then there's the old team and they go to lunch

551
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and they young guys send them like insure cans, and

552
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then like a couple days later, they send them like

553
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baby food.

554
00:29:55.799 --> 00:29:58.119
Yeah, yeah, and I love that scene.

555
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I just think that's so fun.

556
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There's a lot of good stuff, like that in the

557
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training scenes, I love when they're doing their physical and

558
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they're they're taking their eye exam. Everything throughout the entire

559
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movie is competition between Tommy Lee Jones' is Hawk and

560
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Clint Eastwood's Frank, and so they're competing about who can

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do the best at the eye exam. And once they're

562
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finally done, Donaldson's Jerry steps up, covers his eyes. He goes,

563
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I'll just do the last line really quick, and just

564
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powers through it. As he walks away, he's like, may

565
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not be able to see for ship. My memory's fine.

566
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It's it's a door. It's it's so fun he's so funny.

567
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And you know, talking about Clint Eastwood as a director,

568
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I can't think of another example where he did a comedy.

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But that's what I would rank this as. That's how

570
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it classify it, because it's there's so many things about

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it to make me genuinely laugh out loud.

572
00:30:48.160 --> 00:30:53.720
Yes, it's very light and lighthearted, you know, right up

573
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until like the very end when we're doing serious work,

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you know, but everything leading up to that is he

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handles it very well. I love the scene when he's

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introduced as his older self and he's fixing the garage

577
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door opener with his wife and she's like, he's an

578
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engine and you know, space engineer, and she's like, do

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you want me to read the directions?

580
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Yeah, it's their rapport. I feel like this movie could

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have benefited from a little more time with those two together.

582
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He and his wife are adorable. Inness. That seems great.

583
00:31:31.519 --> 00:31:35.200
It's that softer side of Clint Eastwood. But yeah, they

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don't really get to explore that a whole lot, which

585
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is unfortunate.

586
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But I do like, I mean, she's got his number.

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She when oh yeah, Marcia gay Harden and the astronaut leave,

588
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you know, She's like, we need to work on your

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social skills.

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Yeah. I gotta say. I go back and forth on

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how I like the opening to this movie. So it

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takes place in the fifty it's black and white. It's

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a flashback to when Team Dayless was young. And I

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love the scenes. They're all great and the guy they

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got to play young Eastwood.

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Toby Stevens, baby Toby Stevens doing some great eyebrow work.

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That is Maggie Smith's.

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Son that he's famus future.

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Star of black Sales Like I love him and I

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died when I saw that that was him doing Clint Eastwood.

601
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Yeah, I gotta also throws out there, you know who

602
00:32:30.200 --> 00:32:32.000
else is in this that I had to literally pause

603
00:32:32.000 --> 00:32:33.680
it and rewind really quick to see if that was true.

604
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One of the young pilots when they're looking for old

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Man Hawk is John Ham.

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I didn't ronize. I knew that, like I knew that guy,

607
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but I didn't recognize him until I looked on the credits. Yeah.

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I literally was like, wait, hold on, hold on, hold on.

609
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I grabbed them up, pause and round. I was like,

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is that I think that's John Ham. He's got one

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lot and he's in the background. But but yeah, so

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the opening scene the black and white, the decision that

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I struggle with is yes, overlays all their voices with

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the modern cast, and it kind of works.

615
00:33:07.359 --> 00:33:09.400
I feel like he's telling me I'm not smart enough

616
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to figure out who's it.

617
00:33:13.240 --> 00:33:17.799
Yeah, yeah, it's I mean, these are all very talented actors,

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you know, and the guys they got playing younger them

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do a great job, but like they sound like they're

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seventy because they're seventy.

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You know, it's kind of a trope at the time,

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because they do it in a league of their own

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as well.

624
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Yeah, I don't know, it felt more natural than a

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league of their own, at least maybe to me. I

626
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don't know. Something about it just really didn't sit right.

627
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And it added to the fact that, again being a

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giant space nerd, you know, I'm watching this and they

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bring out the monkey and this I don't even remember

630
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the monkey's name, but they say, I'm like, no, that's not.

631
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The chimp that went up was named Ham. Why wouldn't

632
00:33:52.359 --> 00:33:55.880
you just name the monkey Ham like that? But I

633
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get it. You know, you're creating an alternate history. You're

634
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gonna fudge some facts. That's just me, you know, a dork.

635
00:34:05.119 --> 00:34:07.119
So what what would you say? Is the pivotal scene?

636
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Though?

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What what makes the movie for you?

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I love and this is done a lot in these

639
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kind of movies. I love the scene in The Simulator

640
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where Tommy Lee Jones says, like, just turn everything off.

641
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Switching to secondary. I'm going to man, you can't do that, Coronel.

642
00:34:25.800 --> 00:34:30.800
The birds on the computerized track thousand speeds, hair speech

643
00:34:30.880 --> 00:34:32.760
too high, stick to their protocol?

644
00:34:32.800 --> 00:34:33.000
Are you?

645
00:34:33.760 --> 00:34:34.920
I got andronic payers?

646
00:34:34.960 --> 00:34:36.199
You're going to manual controls?

647
00:34:36.440 --> 00:34:36.480
You?

648
00:34:36.719 --> 00:34:40.760
Why not do that? From the secondary hydraulic failer. You're

649
00:34:40.800 --> 00:34:41.559
gonna come on shore.

650
00:34:41.920 --> 00:34:52.159
M Yeah, come on, gee, you can't throw all that

651
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at them in the first run.

652
00:34:53.679 --> 00:34:56.400
We got three weeks to send four old parts into space.

653
00:34:56.480 --> 00:34:58.559
This is flight school one oh one stuff.

654
00:35:00.519 --> 00:35:03.519
Oh, this is not a stripped down show play. You

655
00:35:03.639 --> 00:35:04.719
got to do it their way.

656
00:35:05.000 --> 00:35:06.880
I don't need a computer to tell me how to

657
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land a down airplace, not an airplane current. It's a

658
00:35:09.559 --> 00:35:11.519
frying brick on approach, and you got to use it

659
00:35:11.599 --> 00:35:14.800
on board computer. Well, if the onboard computer fails, it's

660
00:35:14.840 --> 00:35:21.559
never failed. Houston Horizon, Go Horizon request secondary landing. Please

661
00:35:22.280 --> 00:35:28.800
Houston Horizon request on board computer failure on second landing.

662
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All right, run it again.

663
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And then he just flies it because he's a pilot,

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And you know, it reminds me of like in the

665
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Right stuff when they're arguing and they're saying, like we

666
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are pilots. We're not just going to sit in this

667
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thing and go up and come down, like we need

668
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to be in control of our craft. And so I love,

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you know, the way he shows off that he can,

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you know, land anything. And then of course it comes

671
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back around again at the end.

672
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Yeah, it's I love that callback. It's extremely cheesy, and

673
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that's you know, if you look at I mentioned the

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positives in the reviews, but a lot of the negative

675
00:36:07.360 --> 00:36:10.199
reviews are this is full of cliches, and that's definitely

676
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one of them. But it's it's an adorable one and

677
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it's it's sweet, and if you go into it with

678
00:36:14.320 --> 00:36:17.079
that understanding, I think it works. I do love that scene.

679
00:36:17.079 --> 00:36:19.519
It's actually, uh, you know, our friend Dayton over at

680
00:36:19.559 --> 00:36:22.920
Docing Bay uses that scene in his his opening, and

681
00:36:24.320 --> 00:36:26.440
I remember, I don't know if you remember this, but

682
00:36:26.639 --> 00:36:28.639
it was a while ago. He actually messaged a group

683
00:36:28.679 --> 00:36:30.519
of us that had guested and said, hey, anybody got

684
00:36:30.519 --> 00:36:33.360
any recommendations for what to add? And that scene for

685
00:36:33.599 --> 00:36:34.960
is one of the first ones that popped up. Because

686
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I love Tommy Lee Jones's voice. It's fantastic, and I

687
00:36:38.239 --> 00:36:40.760
love the way he delivers that line, you know, but yeah,

688
00:36:41.239 --> 00:36:43.960
the way it comes back is one of those moments

689
00:36:43.960 --> 00:36:46.400
you have to suspend disbelief. This is a space shuttle.

690
00:36:46.440 --> 00:36:50.480
It's you can't just like, you can't eyeball it, guys,

691
00:36:50.960 --> 00:36:54.320
that's not of his words. But you know, it's it's

692
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fun and it's a fun movie. I think I would

693
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probably add it that was was on my list for

694
00:37:00.079 --> 00:37:05.039
pivotal scene. It is. It's it really says what kind

695
00:37:05.039 --> 00:37:07.480
of movie you're dealing with here. It's that that old

696
00:37:07.519 --> 00:37:10.280
man energy of you know, ah, these young kids of

697
00:37:10.320 --> 00:37:12.599
their new fangled technology. I'm gonna show how he did it,

698
00:37:12.639 --> 00:37:15.679
and you know, applying that to space travel, which is silly,

699
00:37:15.760 --> 00:37:19.280
but it really encapsulates what the movie is gonna be.

700
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But I'm also going to add the moment that you know,

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we as the audience, have known that there's some secret

702
00:37:26.280 --> 00:37:31.239
about Icon, which is the supposed Russian communication satellite, but

703
00:37:31.320 --> 00:37:36.039
the moment that it's revealed to the astronauts that this

704
00:37:36.159 --> 00:37:39.719
is actually a launch system for nuclear weapons left over

705
00:37:39.760 --> 00:37:41.320
from the Cold War, and they don't want it to

706
00:37:41.360 --> 00:37:42.800
come down because they're word they're gonna get lil and

707
00:37:42.840 --> 00:37:46.239
blah blah blah and nuclear war. Everything's gonna end terrible

708
00:37:46.320 --> 00:37:50.159
if we don't fix this, because I think that takes

709
00:37:50.320 --> 00:37:53.039
the tone of the movie very in a very different

710
00:37:53.039 --> 00:37:55.280
direction and actually adds some tension, because up to that

711
00:37:55.360 --> 00:37:58.639
point there's tension in the sense that all space travel

712
00:37:58.679 --> 00:38:03.440
is dangerous, but there's no real driving force to the action,

713
00:38:04.639 --> 00:38:07.760
and you know, like I mentioned Space Camp, the Wonderful

714
00:38:07.840 --> 00:38:11.440
nineteen eighty six movie discussed. Yes, it's a silly movie,

715
00:38:11.480 --> 00:38:13.159
but all of a sudden, Okay, now we're running out

716
00:38:13.159 --> 00:38:14.719
of air. We've got to solve these problems. We got

717
00:38:14.719 --> 00:38:17.639
to get home alive. Up to that point in this movie,

718
00:38:18.119 --> 00:38:20.360
it was okay, cool, it's just a regular old mission.

719
00:38:20.440 --> 00:38:22.639
Now it's okay, we've got to fix this. There's issues,

720
00:38:22.679 --> 00:38:26.280
there's a time crunch, and I think that that is

721
00:38:26.320 --> 00:38:29.280
what keeps it from being overly sentimental.

722
00:38:29.800 --> 00:38:32.400
Yeah, because especially you know, they've got them on this

723
00:38:33.519 --> 00:38:37.480
like thirty day window to prep and launch, like.

724
00:38:38.039 --> 00:38:42.079
Which is just dumb. Yeah, I'm trying. I'm really I'm

725
00:38:42.119 --> 00:38:44.000
trying to tamp down to the nerd. That's like, you

726
00:38:44.000 --> 00:38:47.000
can't train regular astronauts in thirties, let alone people that

727
00:38:47.039 --> 00:38:49.360
have never trained on this. You can't. You can't fly

728
00:38:49.440 --> 00:38:51.800
a shuttle after twenty days of training. That's not a

729
00:38:51.800 --> 00:38:54.559
thing that you could do. But I'm trying to bury

730
00:38:54.599 --> 00:38:59.480
that feeling deep inside. Yeah, i mean, these astronauts, you know,

731
00:38:59.679 --> 00:39:03.039
they trained for years before a single mission that is

732
00:39:03.079 --> 00:39:06.400
going to go smoothly. But you know that these guys

733
00:39:06.400 --> 00:39:08.400
can just eyeball it and all run some numbers real

734
00:39:08.440 --> 00:39:11.079
quick and we can totally launch nukesity space or something.

735
00:39:11.159 --> 00:39:13.719
That's fine, you've got a sex stint, it'll be good.

736
00:39:14.320 --> 00:39:20.480
Yeah. Yeah, I do love this movie. I give it

737
00:39:20.480 --> 00:39:22.599
a really hard time, but that's just a nerd in me.

738
00:39:23.480 --> 00:39:25.960
This is this is such a fun movie, and I'm

739
00:39:26.000 --> 00:39:28.400
so glad he made it, especially coming from Eastwood. I

740
00:39:28.440 --> 00:39:30.119
forget that he directed this one. All the time.

741
00:39:30.159 --> 00:39:35.199
I had no idea until I started the movie. I

742
00:39:35.239 --> 00:39:36.519
was like, oh my god, he directed this.

743
00:39:37.480 --> 00:39:41.719
So speaking of him directing things, let's talk a little

744
00:39:41.719 --> 00:39:44.199
bit about Clint Eastwood as a director. So if somebody's

745
00:39:44.280 --> 00:39:47.880
unfamiliar with him, what three movies are you gonna say?

746
00:39:48.000 --> 00:39:49.360
If you want to know Clin Eastwood, this is what

747
00:39:49.400 --> 00:39:50.039
you got to watch.

748
00:39:50.519 --> 00:39:53.320
So I have two that are kind of like they

749
00:39:53.360 --> 00:39:56.000
have to be on the list, and then one that's

750
00:39:56.039 --> 00:40:00.760
kind of an outlier unforgiven, in my opinion, is probably

751
00:40:00.800 --> 00:40:05.960
the greatest Western ever made. I would have a very

752
00:40:05.960 --> 00:40:09.360
delightful argument with someone that had another suggestion for a

753
00:40:09.400 --> 00:40:13.159
Western that was better. It's absolutely flawless. So I had

754
00:40:13.280 --> 00:40:18.480
had that one. Mystic River, I think is just a

755
00:40:18.519 --> 00:40:23.800
great adaptation of a great novel that I it was

756
00:40:23.880 --> 00:40:27.000
kind of skeptical that they could make such a good

757
00:40:27.000 --> 00:40:29.840
movie out of that book. You know, I am blown

758
00:40:29.880 --> 00:40:33.440
away every time I watch it. He pulls performances out

759
00:40:33.480 --> 00:40:36.079
of those actors that are just it's just unreal.

760
00:40:36.840 --> 00:40:39.639
Yeah. Another ensemble cast on that one.

761
00:40:39.559 --> 00:40:43.519
Oh my gosh. Yeah, everybody in it is just you know,

762
00:40:43.559 --> 00:40:47.559
swinging for the fences. And then my outlier is the

763
00:40:47.599 --> 00:40:54.559
movie White Hunter Blackheart, which is actually, it's so good.

764
00:40:54.920 --> 00:41:02.199
It is a loosely told story of when John Houston

765
00:41:02.360 --> 00:41:08.039
made The African Queen with Humphrey Bogart and Katherine Hepburn

766
00:41:08.159 --> 00:41:13.599
and yeah, dragged the production to Africa and then you know,

767
00:41:13.679 --> 00:41:15.800
couldn't be bothered to shoot the movie because he was

768
00:41:15.800 --> 00:41:18.760
too busy going on safari and trying to hunt an

769
00:41:18.800 --> 00:41:22.159
elephant and you know, having you know, adventures in his

770
00:41:23.199 --> 00:41:28.679
Hemingway esque style. And Clint Eastwood is in it playing

771
00:41:29.639 --> 00:41:36.320
John Houston, and it's absolutely a fascinating look at like

772
00:41:36.480 --> 00:41:42.400
obsession and filmmaking and creativity. And yeah, I just watched

773
00:41:42.440 --> 00:41:44.920
it again today. It's so good.

774
00:41:44.960 --> 00:41:47.360
Writing it down now because I'm gonna absolutely check that out.

775
00:41:48.119 --> 00:41:50.559
It's on Prime. I have to rent it, but it's there.

776
00:41:50.719 --> 00:41:54.880
That's fine, that's fine. I mean, unlike Space, Cowboys are

777
00:41:54.880 --> 00:41:56.840
the three on my list. I have all those hard copies,

778
00:41:56.920 --> 00:41:59.880
but so I had Unforgiven as well. I think it'd

779
00:41:59.880 --> 00:42:03.000
be wild to make a movie. I almost put it

780
00:42:03.039 --> 00:42:04.639
back up in case you said it as well, but

781
00:42:04.679 --> 00:42:07.079
I was like, no, it's it's it's.

782
00:42:06.719 --> 00:42:08.760
It's just you can't say enough about it.

783
00:42:08.840 --> 00:42:11.960
Yeah, yeah, I mean it's his performance in it. It's

784
00:42:12.039 --> 00:42:18.039
Gene Hackman, it's Morgan Freeman, it's it's the themes of it,

785
00:42:18.079 --> 00:42:22.559
and especially it being Eastwood, the themes hit so much

786
00:42:22.559 --> 00:42:24.880
harder because it's, you know, knowing where his career has

787
00:42:24.920 --> 00:42:27.159
been and what led him to this point. It feels

788
00:42:27.159 --> 00:42:30.760
so personal and so perfect for him. I I just

789
00:42:30.840 --> 00:42:32.559
I love it. I could gusha about that movie all day.

790
00:42:32.639 --> 00:42:36.360
Oh my gosh, the music, the cinematography, like everything about it.

791
00:42:36.360 --> 00:42:40.679
It's gorgeous. Next, though, I have one that we actually

792
00:42:40.679 --> 00:42:43.760
discussed already back during our nineteen eighty six days is

793
00:42:43.840 --> 00:42:44.800
Heartbreak Ridge.

794
00:42:45.360 --> 00:42:49.639
I had that and I took it off.

795
00:42:50.119 --> 00:42:53.039
Yeah that we did actually discuss this one at length.

796
00:42:53.199 --> 00:42:56.840
I do love this movie. This is it's quotable, It's

797
00:42:56.840 --> 00:42:59.840
got you know, a lot of fun, but it's also,

798
00:43:00.079 --> 00:43:03.280
you know, got his gruff, army exterior. And I think

799
00:43:03.280 --> 00:43:05.920
if you're going to make a list of Eastwood's work,

800
00:43:06.159 --> 00:43:08.079
you got to have at least one war movie in there.

801
00:43:08.320 --> 00:43:11.280
He's definitely done much more serious war movies, but this

802
00:43:11.320 --> 00:43:14.760
one's probably my favorite, and then my last one is

803
00:43:14.920 --> 00:43:17.480
a much more modern version. I think in the last

804
00:43:17.519 --> 00:43:19.920
several years he's taken a very different turn as a director.

805
00:43:20.280 --> 00:43:23.960
And I added grand Tono, which is also just a

806
00:43:23.960 --> 00:43:29.119
phenomenal performance by him. It shows you what kind of

807
00:43:29.199 --> 00:43:32.559
director he is, what kind of filmmaker he is, And

808
00:43:32.719 --> 00:43:34.159
love it or hate it, I think if you want

809
00:43:34.159 --> 00:43:36.280
to understand Clint Eastwood, I think it's got to be

810
00:43:36.320 --> 00:43:36.840
on the list.

811
00:43:37.599 --> 00:43:39.920
I haven't seen that one. I'll have to give it

812
00:43:39.920 --> 00:43:40.320
a try.

813
00:43:41.199 --> 00:43:44.880
I will tell you it's dark, it's heavy, and he

814
00:43:45.159 --> 00:43:48.320
is a grumpy old man, which the last part you

815
00:43:48.360 --> 00:43:49.239
probably could have guessed.

816
00:43:49.639 --> 00:43:54.880
Yeah, but he seemed a little too unlikable in the trailers.

817
00:43:54.920 --> 00:43:56.800
At least I was like, I don't know that I

818
00:43:56.800 --> 00:43:57.400
want to watch this.

819
00:43:58.119 --> 00:44:02.719
He is He's not entirely unlikable. He is not he

820
00:44:02.760 --> 00:44:07.480
didn't pay himself out to be the hero exactly. It's interesting.

821
00:44:07.480 --> 00:44:09.559
I don't want to spoil it for you, okay, but yeah,

822
00:44:09.599 --> 00:44:11.880
he's not the most lovable guy, and that's for dang sure.

823
00:44:13.800 --> 00:44:15.400
So one of the things I wanted to talk about

824
00:44:15.400 --> 00:44:18.159
in this movie before we get too far gone, is

825
00:44:19.440 --> 00:44:21.760
that the actors weren't actually that old, at least I

826
00:44:21.840 --> 00:44:25.039
don't think so. The oldest of them was James Garner.

827
00:44:25.079 --> 00:44:28.760
He was seventy two. But fun fact, Tommy Lee Jones

828
00:44:28.840 --> 00:44:33.000
is only fifty three. That's not that old.

829
00:44:33.599 --> 00:44:38.800
I mean considering I'm almost a fifty one.

830
00:44:39.079 --> 00:44:42.159
Yeah, I mean Donald Sutherland was sixty five and Eastwood

831
00:44:42.199 --> 00:44:44.039
was seventy. So, I mean they weren't exactly you know,

832
00:44:44.079 --> 00:44:46.480
spring chickens, but they weren't old either, at least not

833
00:44:46.639 --> 00:44:48.679
you know, the way that they're portraying the movie. So

834
00:44:48.760 --> 00:44:50.639
I was thinking, if you could make this movie again,

835
00:44:50.719 --> 00:44:54.400
you got old actors today, who do you think should

836
00:44:54.440 --> 00:44:56.800
be in a modern version of Space Cowboys?

837
00:44:56.800 --> 00:45:00.719
Oh God, I wish suld Ha warned me this was coming.

838
00:45:00.800 --> 00:45:01.800
I'm so bad at this.

839
00:45:02.599 --> 00:45:04.760
Oh no, come on, just shoot from the hire and

840
00:45:05.400 --> 00:45:07.559
bearing in mind, you can go as young as fifty three,

841
00:45:08.199 --> 00:45:11.079
as long as they can play old because like Tom

842
00:45:11.119 --> 00:45:13.480
Cruise is I think sixty something, but I don't think

843
00:45:13.519 --> 00:45:16.000
he's gonna I think Tom Cruise now is the same

844
00:45:16.039 --> 00:45:19.440
age Donald Sutherland was when they filmed this movie. And

845
00:45:19.480 --> 00:45:20.840
that's endlessly funny to me.

846
00:45:21.199 --> 00:45:25.239
People that age. I mean, you've got Liam Neeson is

847
00:45:25.239 --> 00:45:28.000
seventy two. I would definitely he was.

848
00:45:27.920 --> 00:45:30.079
On my list for sure. Yeah, he's way too tall

849
00:45:30.119 --> 00:45:32.920
to be an astronaut, but yeah, for an actor, he's fine.

850
00:45:33.039 --> 00:45:35.880
He could be the bad guy, he could be James.

851
00:45:35.679 --> 00:45:39.199
Crack he is, he's a great bad guy. I also

852
00:45:39.239 --> 00:45:42.760
particularly love Kevin Costner. I think he'd be fantastic.

853
00:45:43.159 --> 00:45:45.719
And how about Kevin Costner and Russell Crowe.

854
00:45:46.519 --> 00:45:47.719
Ooh, that's a good choice.

855
00:45:47.840 --> 00:45:49.280
That's a good choice going head to head.

856
00:45:50.119 --> 00:45:53.480
Yeah, and I think they fit that mold of like

857
00:45:53.559 --> 00:45:56.039
the actors in this they were young and cool and

858
00:45:56.079 --> 00:45:58.039
hot once and now they're starting to kind of age

859
00:45:58.039 --> 00:46:01.159
out of that demographic into the more your citizen demographic.

860
00:46:01.480 --> 00:46:01.920
Mm hmm.

861
00:46:03.039 --> 00:46:04.519
I would also, I was thinking, if you're going to

862
00:46:04.599 --> 00:46:08.719
try to cast somebody's Jerry, the comedy relief character, Jeff

863
00:46:08.760 --> 00:46:09.920
Daniels would be perfect.

864
00:46:10.719 --> 00:46:17.280
Oh yes, yes, because he can have that like gravitas,

865
00:46:17.400 --> 00:46:18.480
but then also be silly.

866
00:46:19.239 --> 00:46:23.639
Oh yeah he's he lie so well, he's got very

867
00:46:23.639 --> 00:46:30.559
Donald Sutherland energy. Yes, all right, so all told, do

868
00:46:30.599 --> 00:46:32.599
you recommend seeing this movie? I mean, you know, I

869
00:46:32.639 --> 00:46:34.119
know we've kind of talked about how much we both

870
00:46:34.119 --> 00:46:35.960
love it. But if somebody asks, are you gonna you're

871
00:46:35.960 --> 00:46:37.280
gonna recommend this one to him?

872
00:46:37.760 --> 00:46:44.239
Yes? Absolutely. It's a fun couple hours, good time with

873
00:46:45.679 --> 00:46:47.519
some actors that you think you know and you see

874
00:46:47.599 --> 00:46:49.320
him doing stuff a little bit different.

875
00:46:50.119 --> 00:46:52.639
Yeah, I do. I recommend this one to everybody, but

876
00:46:52.679 --> 00:46:54.840
I always kind of give him the same thing of like,

877
00:46:55.559 --> 00:46:57.159
you know, it's not going to change your life, you

878
00:46:57.159 --> 00:46:58.719
know what I mean. This isn't like, oh my god,

879
00:46:58.760 --> 00:47:01.760
you've got to see this amazing movie, but it's definitely

880
00:47:01.800 --> 00:47:05.280
a good time. I also, whenever I'm talking about Clint Eastwood,

881
00:47:05.280 --> 00:47:08.000
I like to like, this isn't if this isn't a

882
00:47:08.039 --> 00:47:10.920
Clint Eastwood movie. It is, but like, don't go into

883
00:47:10.920 --> 00:47:13.039
it thinking you're gonna go watch a good Clint Easwood movie.

884
00:47:13.039 --> 00:47:14.280
This is something else entirely.

885
00:47:14.679 --> 00:47:17.719
Yeah, But like if you think you know Clint Eastwood

886
00:47:17.800 --> 00:47:20.679
or you think you know James Gardner just because you

887
00:47:20.719 --> 00:47:24.159
watch the Notebook. You know, you can say, hey, come

888
00:47:24.159 --> 00:47:25.760
watch this movie and see him to do something a

889
00:47:25.800 --> 00:47:26.320
little different.

890
00:47:27.239 --> 00:47:29.599
That's fair. That's fair. It's it's got a lot of

891
00:47:29.599 --> 00:47:32.119
cliches and it's you know, a lot of silliness, but

892
00:47:32.519 --> 00:47:35.199
it works. It's got heart and as my mom would say,

893
00:47:35.199 --> 00:47:41.519
it's something fun. So looks like looking at the calendar, here,

894
00:47:41.559 --> 00:47:43.920
looks like next week Amber, you guys are gonna be

895
00:47:43.960 --> 00:47:44.719
heading to the beach.

896
00:47:45.679 --> 00:47:50.440
Yes, we are going to talk about a delightful underrated

897
00:47:50.440 --> 00:47:55.719
film by Carl Reiner, Summer Rental starring John Candy, which

898
00:47:55.760 --> 00:47:59.719
I haven't actually seen since probably it came out, so

899
00:47:59.800 --> 00:48:01.559
this'll be a fun revisit.

900
00:48:02.519 --> 00:48:04.719
Yeah, sir, it's been it's been a minute since I've

901
00:48:04.719 --> 00:48:05.440
seen that one.

902
00:48:05.519 --> 00:48:07.800
That's yeah, from nineteen eighty five.

903
00:48:08.760 --> 00:48:10.440
I'll have to pull that one back up. That's a

904
00:48:10.639 --> 00:48:13.559
that's fantastic. Well, I'm looking forward to hearing it. But

905
00:48:13.880 --> 00:48:16.039
until then, let us know what did you think of

906
00:48:16.119 --> 00:48:19.119
Space Cowboys? Have you seen it? Did you like it?

907
00:48:19.559 --> 00:48:21.719
Do you think we miss something? Let us know on

908
00:48:21.760 --> 00:48:24.840
social media Facebook, Instagram, x that You can check us

909
00:48:24.840 --> 00:48:28.519
out on a film by podcast dot com for film

910
00:48:28.559 --> 00:48:31.760
TV articles. Our entire library is streaming free, but you

911
00:48:31.760 --> 00:48:33.960
can also check us out on Patreon, where you can

912
00:48:34.000 --> 00:48:36.920
hear Jeff and I doing our ten for two, as

913
00:48:36.960 --> 00:48:39.679
well as a whole back catalog of episodes, some with

914
00:48:39.719 --> 00:48:42.559
Amber and myself and a bunch without. Let us know

915
00:48:42.599 --> 00:48:44.320
what your thoughts are. We'd love to hear from you,

916
00:48:45.199 --> 00:48:46.760
and we may just read your response on the show

917
00:48:46.760 --> 00:48:49.440
and send you some a film by Swag. I would

918
00:48:49.480 --> 00:48:52.599
like to thank Amber again for joining me.

919
00:48:53.559 --> 00:48:54.519
Yes my pleasure.

920
00:48:54.960 --> 00:48:58.039
Thank you again for listening. We love doing this, We

921
00:48:58.079 --> 00:49:02.280
love talking space, especially Amber, and we will see you

922
00:49:02.280 --> 00:49:04.360
guys again the next time. We want to take a

923
00:49:04.400 --> 00:49:05.480
little trip into space.

924
00:49:06.440 --> 00:49:13.480
Fly me to the moon, let me play among the stars,

925
00:49:14.480 --> 00:49:19.920
let me see what spring is like on a Jupiter

926
00:49:20.199 --> 00:49:31.199
and Mars. In other words, hold my hand. In other words,