Nov. 18, 2024

Danny Boyle - Sunshine

Danny Boyle - Sunshine
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Season 5 A Film By...

Andrew welcomes Chuck Bryan back to explore the themes of sacrifice, humanity, and internal darkness in Danny Boyle's highly underrated sci-fi journey into space... Sunshine!

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Hello, listeners. Jeff Johnson has left the building, so he

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left me second in command, Andrew Here, and I'm here

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to guide this mission. But I can't do it alone.

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I need some of the best and brightest, So I'm

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joined by Chuck Brian. Chuck, how are you doing today?

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I'm doing great. Thanks so much for having me back on.

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I'm excited to have you. This is our first first

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one together. Our listeners might recognize Chuck. He was on

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our Patreon episode Deadly Friend. He was also on Phasers

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Set to Stun for First Contact. And Chuck here is

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actually the host of a brand new podcast, Cinematic Flashback.

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Yeah yeah, so tell me about that. Yeah, absolutely so.

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Me and my buddy Matt we started Cinematic Flashback and

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we dropped our first episode this week.

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Just to give you some some of the flavor of

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what we do. You know, we jump into the wayback

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machine and we journey back to the unforgettable films of

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the nineteen seventies, and each episode we break down the

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classics are not so classic movies with a fun, fresh approach.

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We explore the who's who of each film. We dive

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into the premise and plot and see how it performed

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then and now, and we wrap things up with did

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it groove through the decades or did it lose its beat?

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So we're having a lot of fun. We just covered

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the French connection and we're getting ready to go back

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in the studio to produce our second episode this Saturday.

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Hopefully get that dropped in about a week or so.

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I'm so excited to hear it. Yeah, I love it,

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love it and love the energy. You guys are a

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lot of fun to listen to, really really good banter.

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In that one. Yeah, thank you very much.

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But we're gonna go a little bit later than the seventies.

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We're actually here to talk about a film by Danny Boyle,

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his two thousand and seven, in my opinion, very underrated masterpiece, Sunshine.

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So first things first, let me know, did you see

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this one when it came out? What was your introduction

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to this movie?

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Yeah, to be honest, I think I saw it when

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it came out on DVD back in two thousand and

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eight or so, so I didn't see it in the theater,

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which I'll tell you right now, I regret that absolutely,

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but I hadn't thought about it in years until Jeff

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approached me to ask if I wanted to do this,

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and so this viewing, I'm just gonna have to say,

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I feel like it was my first viewing of the film.

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That's fantastic. I'm a little jealous. I've seen this movie

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a bunch of times. I'll be honest. When I first

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saw it, I think this is one of those movies

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that was terribly marketed. I think the very much sounds like,

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you know, the Core or you know, one of those

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catastrophic Day after Tomorrow type movies, which are fine, but

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that's very much not what this is. So I was

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fortunate enough to go see it in the theaters in

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two thousand and seven.

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I was living on my own.

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In Florida, working seven day's a week, had no friends,

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so I just saw every movie that came out. But

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you know, I left the theater with my jaw on

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the floor. I was very, very surprised by how much

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I enjoy this movie. So I've seen it several times since.

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I recommend it to everybody. I think it's a very

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underrated sci fi classic.

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So chuck.

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For those that haven't seen this movie, or for those

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just you know, want to kind of get a refresher,

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can you give us a little synopsis what this movie's about.

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Yeah, absolutely so. Set in the year twenty fifty seven,

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earth Face is an impending extinction as the Sun is dying.

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A group of astronauts is a board the spaceship Icarus Too,

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and are on a desperate mission to reignite the Sun

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with a nuclear bomb, hoping to save humanity. Their journey

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is a perilous one, traveling to the heart of the

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Solar System, where the Sun's intense radiation and vast emptiness

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of space challenged their survival. Along the way, they encounter

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a troubling mystery, the long lost Icarus one, which had

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failed on a similar mission years before. When contact with

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the derelictship is unexpectedly re established, the crew must make

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a critical decision. Should they continue their original mission or

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to divert to invest the Aicarus one and attempt to

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salvage its payload. Their choice comes with its own risk,

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but what lies aboard the abandoned ship could alter the

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fate of their mission and humanity itself.

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Again, it just that doesn't feel like it does it

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justice to me? I describe it very similarly to it

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the way I describe Jurassic Park which is the plot

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sounds like a sci fi channel movie, but it's not

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that it's its own thing. So you know, you said

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that you felt like this was your first viewing. What's

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your initial takeaway, What what's your feeling about this?

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So, yeah, I I didn't come into it one hundred

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percent cold when I was watching it, so I always

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start to look around to see what's been said about

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the film. I'm not too terribly in this case. I

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wasn't so concerned about spoilers. And I saw that Tarantino

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had a review of it, and he was he was

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very favorable of it to a point, and so going

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into it, you know, I was ready when that point came.

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So it wasn't a record scratch or anything. And so

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I found the film to just be extremely mesmerizing. The music,

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the sound, the visuals. It was just a very mature

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science fiction movie. And it was very hard science fiction

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versus say, the more fantasy, make believe science fiction.

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Yeah, and I'm a big sci fi fan, and I

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think sci fi for me has to fall into one

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of two categories, and that's the you know, the over

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the top stuff like Star Wars. Obviously we all love it,

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but nobody really cares about the science there or something

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that feels a little more grounded like this, And you know,

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I'm a big space nerd. And you, even we talked earlier,

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you mentioned the similarities of this and some of the

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Apollo missions things going wrong, and I love that aspect

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of it, the confined aspect. And Danny Boyle actually talks

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about this quite a bit. When he wanted to make

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this movie, he was inspired by two thousand and one.

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He was inspired by Tarkowsky's solaris an Alien, which I mean,

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I think all of those you can really feel what

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he was going for.

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I can see that one hundred percent all throughout. Yeah,

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Passage the ones that surprised me, though he specifically cited

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Dos Boot, Yes and Jeff and I just recently discussed

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Trumble's Silent Running. I would have probably never picked those

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out of a lineup, But now that I've heard him

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say that that's what he was inspired by, I very

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much get that vibe. And we'll talk a little bit

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more as we talk about the cast, some of the

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influences from Silent Running. Because I'm a huge Silent Running fan.

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Oh very cool. I think I've seen Silent Running one time,

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and it was my introduction to both Trumbull and Bruce Dern.

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I mean trumble with two thousand and one, but where

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Trumbull was directing his own his own stuff. Yeah.

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And I got to give a shout out to our

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man Jeff here. For my birthday this past month, a

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couple of months ago, now I'm getting old, he gave

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me a special edition DVD of Silent Running, and the

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special features and the commentary on it are fantastic. So

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if you don't have a hard copy of it, get one.

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It's remastered.

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It's beautiful. But anyway between between Silent Running and Sunshine,

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my DVD cabinet's going to get a little bit more full.

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That's fantastic.

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So I want to talk about the cast because this

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is very much an ensemble movie and I love the cast.

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So first and foremost, you know, classic a staple of

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Danny Boyle's films is Killian Murphy, who plays Kappa, Robert Kappa. He,

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like many of the actors in this is pretending to

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be an American, which they did obviously, you know, for

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the marketing purposes.

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What did you think of Kapa as a character. Well,

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first of all, I just I really like Killian and

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I recognized him immediately from one of my other favorite

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Danny Boyle movies, Twenty eight Days, and I liked him.

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I kind of noticed that all of the cast kind

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of spoke with an American accent, and it was a

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very diverse class cast as well in terms of the

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makeup of nationalities. So it really felt like it was

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Earth on this mission, you know, as opposed to America

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on this mission. So it was Killian was was was

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really great. Yeah, I think as far as main characters go,

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he's a little bit dry, but I think that that

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that is helpful because there's a lot of other personality

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on the ship. There's a lot of other emotions going on.

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Oh yeah, and so I think he kind of played

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it a little bit more straight. But to your point

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about the diversity of the cast, I think that's one

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of my only major complaints about the movie is all

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these American accents. I mean, as you said, we got Killian,

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Murphy's Irish, and Rose Burns Australian, and Cliff Curtis is

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He's Maori from New Zealand, Michelle Yo is Malaysian and like,

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so for all of them to be faking their American accent.

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Was like, yes, he did a great job. I don't

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think any of him sounded off, but it just felt weirdly.

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It was weird. I didn't even notice it, to be honest,

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until I went back. I watched the film twice. I

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watched it, you know, straight through, and then I flipped

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over to the to the director commentary on it just

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to hear what Danny wanted to say through the movie,

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and it's an excellent rewatch as well. And then I

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think he mentioned in there that they wanted to speak

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with the American accents to make it more distributable. I guess, yeah, yeah,

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that makes sense from a financial standpoint. I Also one

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of the things that I really liked is I was

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reading about Killy Murphy preparing for this role, because you know,

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he he'd worked with Danny Boyle in twenty eight days later.

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This is fresh off of Batman Begins, where he was Scarecrow.

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So he's starting to become a bankable celebrity here. But

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as Danny Boyle put all these guys through really intense training.

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They did a lot of astronaut training. They he had

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him watching movies that you know, sort of gave the

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vibe for it. He actually had the cast living together

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to sort of simulate their experience. But one thing that

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was interesting is he had them studying their specific characters

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specialty right. And I watched a really interesting interview with

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Killian Murphy where he said that being raised Irish Catholic,

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you know, he had gone through a lot of different

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areas of agnosticism in questioning his faith, but really doing

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a deep dive into the nuclear physics, he said that

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was the final straw for him.

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Here. He was like, yep, I guess I'm atheist now,

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and I just think that's that's crazy that his dive

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into this is what really pushed him over the edge.

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That's sure interesting. But other than Killey Murphy, we got

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a fantastic cast. We got one of my personal favorites.

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We got Chris Evans as Mace.

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Yes, this is a pre Captain America, isn't it. M M. Yeah,

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it was a few years.

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I think he filmed Captain America around nine twenty ten

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something like that, so this would be a few years

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before that.

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Oh, this was this was a good film for him

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prior to becoming forever known as Steve Rogers.

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Yeah, Yeah, there's definitely that hard nosed, hardline sense of

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right and wrong. I think is very similar to Steve Rodgers,

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and that's about the only thing he has in common

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in Steve.

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Yes.

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Yes, but it's a fantastic performance. He's genuinely one of

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my favorite characters because not just because I love Chris Evans,

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which is partially true, but I love that he is

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a terribly unhinged person. He's very angry, he lashes out,

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he's very emotional, but it never affects his opinion of

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or his logic on what's right and wrong and what

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has to be done. Yeah, and I think that's just

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that's you don't see characters like that a lot.

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He's he's very focused on the mission. I mean that

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that's that's what's driving him, so he knows what the

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purpose for them being there is and that that drives

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his character throughout the film.

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Yeah, And I mean we see all of the characters

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put through a lot of stress and a lot of

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wear and tear, and I think that when his character

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really gets shown is when they're stuck on the Icarus

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one and they're in a position where only one of

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them is going to make it back and without hesitation,

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he says, it's Kappa, the person who up to this

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point he hates. He has had a lot of eyer

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towards and he doesn't hesitate because that's what's best for

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the mission. And that's that's the moment that solidified him.

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I was like, Okay, yeah, I'm teammates.

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So in addition to him, we have a bunch of

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other great people. We've got Rose Byrne as Cassie. What

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are your thoughts on her?

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What came up to my mind was the movie she

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did with seth Rogen Neighbors. Yeah, and so there was

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first of all taking her character from that movie, but

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then putting her into the role of Cassie was just

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I mean, I have to always remember that they're actors

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and they're just very good at what they do, and

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so you know, like immediately she was extremely fresh, very

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fragile in this movie. I like that of all the characters,

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she seemed to be the most almost unsure of herself.

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So she was she was very very very much innocent,

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I think is innocent. Yeah, but she had a very

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strong moral core and that kind of comes up at

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a decision in the movie when they come back from

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the Icarus one and they're they're making a decision and

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they're taking a vote.

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Yeah, that is a very emotional scene, and I think

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that she really did a good job.

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I love that.

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As I said, each character sort of gets tested and

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we see how they respond to these dressers, and she

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she played it really well. I think you know it

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For me, you know, I'm trying to cast an astronaut scientist,

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I don't think this. She was pretty young at the time.

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She was, you know, in he early twenties.

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I'm not thinking this.

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You know, young, innocent, little looking woman is going to

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play this really intense emotional role. And then by the

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end of it, I think that that brought some strength

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to it because she comes across as innocent, and you

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see that she's not.

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She's really firm and resolute in her values. I love that.

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Next is Benedict Wong, who I forgot he was in

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this one, I'll be honest, because he's such a babyface

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in this one.

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You know, I was blown away by this. This film

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is a who's who of They're going to become marvel

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people here in just a few short years.

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Yeah, I was going to try to count everyone of them.

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But but but Benedict, you're right. His character, Oh my gosh,

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his character.

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Breaks my heart. And you know, we're talking all these

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and I just kind of want to jump into all

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these different scenes. But go for it by all means.

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Oh so, and as we said in the in the

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in the in the overview, uh, the chorus too makes

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the crew makes the decision. Well, actually it was uh

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Kapa makes the decision, a fifty to fifty decision to

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go and go to the Chorus one because two payloads

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would be twice the chances of success for them. And so, uh,

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Benedet character's name is Trey, and he's the navigator and

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he's at a position now where he has to make

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a whole bunch of calculations to get the Icaris two

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back over to where the Charis one is and suddenly

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alarms are going off and he has made a fatal

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miscalculation because he forgot one one component of this. And

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when we were talking earlier today about the Apollo eleven mission,

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as they're landing, I think there were like ten times

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during that dissent where things did not go the way

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that they were supposed to go. So even small small

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changes can have large effects in space, and you know

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in this movie, they didn't shy away from that and

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they showed that, and that was just kind of reminded

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me of just different movies like two thousand and one.

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But anyways, that when when when when Trey's character he's

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crushed by this because you know, he knows that it

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was his fault, it was his mission. These are all scientists,

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they're all professionals, and he is just he's just crushed

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to the point of becoming suicidal. It's it's heartbreaking.

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And he does such a good job in that scene

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because it's not just you know, he doesn't just shut

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down like he's he's panicking.

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He's like, I fucked up, Like I tried, I really tried.

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I mean, you're you're right.

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Like going back to the Apollo missions, they didn't have

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one person trying to do all of that math. They

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had teams and teams of people doing the math, and

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then teams and teams of people checking their math and

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triple checking it yes, because it is it's extremely complicated.

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So it was it was just too much to put

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on this one man's shoulders and he breaks down and

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it's it is absolutely heartbreaking, and I think he really

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knocked it out of the park because he doesn't get

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a lot of screen time after that he's drugged because

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you know, he's he's on a suicide watch. But I

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think with the screen time he has, he does an amazing,

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amazing jazz.

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Yeah, he's so good. And I also just got to

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say when I saw that, when I saw hero Yuki

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Yayuki Sonata was in this film, I was very excited.

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I'm I'm watching the FX show Shogun right now, which

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is incredible, and he plays a major role in this

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film or in that show, and you see him just

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just being a full on warlord and then you compare

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him to his roles in Bullet Train or in H Yeah,

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the John Wick films, and he's just Oh, he's just

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always so interesting, and in this film he's much more subdued,

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you know. And yeah, because he's the he's the captain

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of the Icarus too.

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Yeah, he's he's very logical, he's very controlled and measured,

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and I think it carries a lot of gravitas with

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him when he does. I also I think he was

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I think he was the guy in H It was

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it a endgame that Ronan killed, so I think he was.

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He was in Marvel too. He can add him to

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the list.

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But yeah, he's so good in this and I think,

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you know, going back to that pivotal scene where they're

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making the call. I love the way he steps up

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and they say, well, put it to a vote and

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he says like, no, no, we're scientists.

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You know.

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I think in most sci fi movies you get the

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emotional decision or that he put it to a vote,

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or the Captain's like I'm in charge. I love the

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way he stepped up and said, no, we're scientists. We

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are going to make the most educated and informed decision

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we can. So it's not up to us, it's up

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to the specialist that knows about the payload. And I

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thought that was that was a really cool scene. And

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obviously it has a lot of implications down the line,

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but he delivered it in a way that you just

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you trusted him, like I would follow that guy.

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Right right, and you know, his his character is very

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much like Chris Evans character, So I think it was

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Captain Kind and Mace. They're they're very similar in the

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fact that they're they're very mission oriented, they're very they

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they're very self sacrificing, and you know, the I think

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that they they had a lot of similarities in there. Yeah,

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for sure.

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And I think he was a great, great choice for

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casting this especially, you know, going back to what we're

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saying about it being a very international cast, you know,

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Boyle said that he specifically wanted to focus heavily on

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America and China as the they're both like he viewed

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them as being the most equipped to put on a

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mission of this type in fifty days. Seneta is Japanese

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and I think that, you know, he plays a part

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in that, and the way he leads the group with

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the stoicism and drive is just fantastic. What's interesting is

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the original choice for the captain was actually Michelle yo Real.

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She turned it down. Yeah, she said she didn't feel

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she kind of carried that that gravity or that command yet.

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So she plays Corazon in this Corey as they call her,

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and I absolutely love her Michelle and everything, and this

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is no exception, but I think that was actually the

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right call. I don't know that she necessarily carries the

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same thing that Yeah.

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I think I think that Corey carries this particular she's

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as she's the ship's botanist, and she's in charge of

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the oxygen garden on board the Icarus too, And you know,

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she's very she seems very earthy, if you will, at

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the beginning of the film, but then after some events happened,

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she becomes extremely calculating and almost a bit cold, until

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there's just near the end of the film she gets

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this glimmer of hope.

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Yep, that's such such a beautiful scene. Yeah, I believe

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you're talking about the end when you know, as the botanist,

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once all the plants are destroyed through a series of

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unfortunate events. Yes, she goes back in there and that

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the mission's failing and they know they're not gonna survive,

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and she sees this little plant growing among the ashes,

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and it's beautiful. It reminds me of Wally only you know,

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oh yeah, quite.

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No, no, no, no, yeah, yeah, but yeah, it is absolutely beautiful.

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And I don't think it's a coincidence that her name

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Cortizona is just Spanish for heart. I think that in

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a lot of ways her character. You said calculating, I

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think that's a good word for it. She's doing the math,

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she understands, she's as smart as everybody else here that

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you know, they have to do the math. But she,

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unlike Mace, isn't going out and just saying this is

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how it is. She's talking to people and like, yes,

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this is the reality. But she doesn't, you know, she

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doesn't draw that hard line because I don't think she

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has it in her to say we have to kill

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some people or we have to let some people die,

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you know, not in the same way that others on

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the ship are. So I think Michelle yo has a

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softness to her that really helped that character. Yes, next

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is Cliff Curtis, who I think is super underrated. I

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wish this guy was in more stuff. He plays the

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the psych officer Searle.

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So the first time I saw Cliff was he started

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in the Walking Dead spin off Fear the Walking Dead,

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and his character was just absolutely amazing. And I liked

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how that show started because it went such a different

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route and I thought that he just brought such a

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reality to that particular world. And in Sunshine, I think

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the movie opens up with him and you start to

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get this feeling very early on something is off, you know.

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I think that Michelle Yoh's character says something like, I

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know you're this, you know that the ship psychiatrist, But

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I think I'm more sane than you are. Yeah yeah,

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right out of the gate. Yeah he's a little he's

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a little different.

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Yeah yeah, but he plays it in a way that's

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that kind of makes sense, Like he's he's excited.

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You know.

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I think everybody else on this ship is so worn

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down by the mission and the isolation and whatnot, and

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he's the only one on there that you see, like

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genuine excite me. He's like, you guys got to try this.

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He would sit in the sun room and and what

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he called bathing in light. Yes, he would crank up

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the the brightness as bright as it could go, sitting

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there in the sunlight, and he loved it. And so

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it's just it was really fun to see that kind

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of energy from him. You know, I don't envy the

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job of a psych officerun a mission that's going to

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be three years in space under the most stressful circumstances possible,

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But he found joy in it. I guess, oh yeah,

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oh yeah.

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I think I read somewhere or or maybe I heard

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it in the director's comment that during the second mission

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for the Achress too, that they did place the psychophicer

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on board, whereas the first one may not have had one,

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and so they they had them there as a way

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to help the crew to deal with you know, these

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these the stress of a long journey.

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Yeah, and I think that, you know, we we get

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into the plot a little bit more later on, we'll

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see that maybe it Chris One could have used.

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A psych officer. Maybe to that end.

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Let's talk about Troy Garrity, who played Harvey, the second

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and command, the comms officer on this probably the only

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one that I don't think went on to to a

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list or close to its fame. But I think he

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did a great job. Of the problem is he did

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00:25:38.920 --> 00:25:41.119
a great job at making us hate him. I really

472
00:25:41.200 --> 00:25:42.119
did not like Harvey.

473
00:25:42.680 --> 00:25:46.440
I'll see. That's funny because, like Trey, Harvey is another

474
00:25:46.480 --> 00:25:50.880
person that I really sympathized for because everyone else knew

475
00:25:50.920 --> 00:25:53.400
what the situation was, and I think they were all

476
00:25:54.119 --> 00:25:56.920
they were all they were to some degree afraid, but

477
00:25:57.000 --> 00:26:00.279
they were resolute. I think Harvey was looking more like,

478
00:26:00.640 --> 00:26:02.799
you know, I want to now that you know, once

479
00:26:02.839 --> 00:26:05.680
it becomes the captain, you know, he wants to be

480
00:26:05.720 --> 00:26:08.720
able to take the situation that is completely out of

481
00:26:08.720 --> 00:26:12.319
his control, into his control so that he can somehow

482
00:26:12.920 --> 00:26:17.759
get back home. And I just there was there was,

483
00:26:17.799 --> 00:26:20.119
there was just something about his character. There was a

484
00:26:20.160 --> 00:26:24.599
sadness to it to him, very similar for me for

485
00:26:24.720 --> 00:26:30.000
Trey that I really, uh, I like, I liked his character.

486
00:26:30.680 --> 00:26:33.559
You have all these brave people and then you have

487
00:26:33.799 --> 00:26:38.200
Harvey who who has this this this trait about him

488
00:26:38.200 --> 00:26:42.039
that's not maybe as as brave, as as as Mace

489
00:26:42.359 --> 00:26:47.880
or the ability to control your emotions like Corizon was. Yeah,

490
00:26:48.039 --> 00:26:49.200
I think you're spot on.

491
00:26:49.319 --> 00:26:51.559
I think maybe the reason I don't like his character

492
00:26:51.720 --> 00:26:53.759
is because I think his character is the most human.

493
00:26:54.119 --> 00:26:55.920
I think that's most likely what I would do in

494
00:26:55.920 --> 00:27:00.519
that situation. Absolutely, And you know, I want to see

495
00:27:00.799 --> 00:27:02.559
if we're sending the best of the best and the

496
00:27:02.599 --> 00:27:05.839
best and the brightest up to save humanity. I don't

497
00:27:05.839 --> 00:27:08.359
want them to send me. I'm not a good representative

498
00:27:08.559 --> 00:27:11.039
for that. You know, I have a lot of great

499
00:27:11.119 --> 00:27:13.000
qualities and not being down on myself. I've just that

500
00:27:13.200 --> 00:27:16.599
accurate self assessment here. And so that's maybe why I

501
00:27:16.599 --> 00:27:19.559
don't like him, because I see that weakness that I'm like, no, no, no, no, no,

502
00:27:19.759 --> 00:27:22.200
this come on man, like you knew what you signed

503
00:27:22.240 --> 00:27:26.319
up for, and even you know, talking about Cassie earlier,

504
00:27:27.039 --> 00:27:30.640
there's that moment where she realizes, like, it's different knowing

505
00:27:30.680 --> 00:27:32.640
that you're gonna die than thinking that you might die

506
00:27:32.720 --> 00:27:36.440
and dealing with that sadness. And you know, I fully

507
00:27:36.839 --> 00:27:39.240
expect everybody on the ship was dealing with that, but

508
00:27:39.359 --> 00:27:42.880
for him to basically just shut down and make some

509
00:27:42.960 --> 00:27:45.960
rather selfish decisions, and admittedly he gets talked down from it.

510
00:27:46.559 --> 00:27:48.440
You know, going back to the scene with Mace that

511
00:27:48.440 --> 00:27:50.559
I enjoyed, he demands that he's the one that has

512
00:27:50.599 --> 00:27:53.960
to survive because he's in controls, he's in command. He

513
00:27:54.000 --> 00:27:56.119
does get talked down and he does accept the reality,

514
00:27:56.240 --> 00:28:00.319
unfortunately to his demise. But I think that the actor

515
00:28:00.440 --> 00:28:03.039
Troy Garrity did a great job of portraying that fear,

516
00:28:03.079 --> 00:28:04.759
and he gets kind of sweaty throughout the movie and

517
00:28:04.759 --> 00:28:06.880
he gets kind of shaky, and it really just shows

518
00:28:06.880 --> 00:28:11.000
that that deterioration. So last, but not LEAs this is

519
00:28:11.000 --> 00:28:12.920
not a big cast, so ordinarily I wouldn't go through

520
00:28:12.920 --> 00:28:14.839
the whole cast, but it's just wal to wall talent.

521
00:28:14.880 --> 00:28:18.039
So we got to talk about Mark Strong. He comes

522
00:28:18.079 --> 00:28:20.440
through in the third act change that if you read

523
00:28:20.440 --> 00:28:22.519
about this movie, is what turned a lot of people

524
00:28:22.519 --> 00:28:26.440
off as Pinbacker the Yes, I guess you could call

525
00:28:26.519 --> 00:28:29.839
him villain, the former captain, the captain of the Icarus

526
00:28:29.880 --> 00:28:34.440
one who essentially starts killing the crew and sabotage in

527
00:28:34.480 --> 00:28:37.319
the mission. How did you feel about Mark Strong's performance,

528
00:28:37.799 --> 00:28:38.440
So all of.

529
00:28:38.400 --> 00:28:42.480
The other characters in this show are very realistic. The

530
00:28:42.519 --> 00:28:46.759
way in which they film Pinbacker and the way they

531
00:28:47.000 --> 00:28:54.000
alter his voice, there's almost a super natural element to

532
00:28:54.279 --> 00:28:59.319
him which makes him completely different from everyone else, and

533
00:28:59.680 --> 00:29:02.680
it makes it makes them very fascinating because you know,

534
00:29:03.000 --> 00:29:06.839
there there's a scene later on where where there's there's

535
00:29:07.519 --> 00:29:10.680
a kind of a type of scalpele that vibrates very

536
00:29:10.759 --> 00:29:14.920
very quickly, and it makes this this this vibrating noise.

537
00:29:15.200 --> 00:29:18.920
But sometimes the vibrating noise is kind of associated with him,

538
00:29:19.200 --> 00:29:21.640
and you see how how he kind of blends in

539
00:29:21.720 --> 00:29:25.720
with going back and forth. Uh, And I just I

540
00:29:25.759 --> 00:29:29.359
thought his character was was was very interesting. Uh. He

541
00:29:29.519 --> 00:29:33.599
was able to be both menacing and he also had

542
00:29:33.640 --> 00:29:38.480
a communication that they discover later on before he kind

543
00:29:38.480 --> 00:29:42.640
of transforms and there's a moment where he's he's describing

544
00:29:42.960 --> 00:29:46.839
you know, what is happening to Icarus one? As I

545
00:29:46.839 --> 00:29:49.880
believe it was like I might misspeak this one, but

546
00:29:50.359 --> 00:29:52.799
like little meteoroids or something that that had hit onto

547
00:29:52.799 --> 00:29:55.720
the shield and it had had done some damage, and

548
00:29:55.720 --> 00:29:57.799
and he just says something along the lines and it

549
00:29:57.839 --> 00:30:00.680
was it was beautiful, you know, and you're like, wait, what,

550
00:30:01.680 --> 00:30:05.519
That's not how I would describe this. So in case

551
00:30:05.839 --> 00:30:10.279
you know, our listeners haven't seen the film, to describe

552
00:30:10.319 --> 00:30:15.200
what the Icarus is. Both ships there they look like

553
00:30:15.319 --> 00:30:19.960
an umbrella where the umbrella part is this giant reflective

554
00:30:20.039 --> 00:30:23.480
shield that as they're flying towards the sun, it's it's

555
00:30:23.519 --> 00:30:28.319
it's protecting what's behind it. And the actual ship itself

556
00:30:28.559 --> 00:30:33.079
is uh maybe the umbrella handle that that goes behind

557
00:30:33.119 --> 00:30:37.319
it and in front of In the working of the

558
00:30:37.559 --> 00:30:41.839
of the shield, they have this observation lounge where they

559
00:30:41.880 --> 00:30:45.240
have the ability to go in and the computer keeps

560
00:30:45.279 --> 00:30:48.599
the filtering at a level to where they can view

561
00:30:48.680 --> 00:30:52.519
what's in front of them without being burned, you know,

562
00:30:52.640 --> 00:30:56.440
by the by the ship. If if the filtering went away,

563
00:30:56.680 --> 00:31:01.000
it would be devastating to whoever was inside that that room.

564
00:31:01.359 --> 00:31:03.559
And that's that's how both the Icarus one and the

565
00:31:03.720 --> 00:31:08.200
Icarus too, so any damage to those shields is damage

566
00:31:08.240 --> 00:31:12.799
to your life. It becomes a risk, and both ships

567
00:31:13.039 --> 00:31:17.400
take damage to that shield and at some point in

568
00:31:17.480 --> 00:31:20.279
the in the in the story, yeah, and.

569
00:31:21.720 --> 00:31:25.119
You mentioned it earlier with you know him, he's they

570
00:31:25.160 --> 00:31:28.160
never give you a good look at him after he's

571
00:31:28.160 --> 00:31:29.759
on board the Icarus too, And I think that's very

572
00:31:29.759 --> 00:31:34.240
intentional because he's this sort of mythic uh demonic force

573
00:31:34.319 --> 00:31:38.160
that they're facing, and he's very religious. He's claiming he's

574
00:31:38.160 --> 00:31:40.759
doing this on behalf of God. He's he's trying to

575
00:31:40.759 --> 00:31:45.079
stop us from humanity from being an affront to God.

576
00:31:45.160 --> 00:31:49.599
And the way they've chosen to do that is interesting

577
00:31:49.640 --> 00:31:52.319
because he looks sunburned, like head to toe, like he's

578
00:31:52.359 --> 00:31:56.960
been living being just irradiated and sunburned, and the skin

579
00:31:57.039 --> 00:31:59.079
is falling off. There's there's some body horror later on

580
00:31:59.160 --> 00:32:01.200
where you just kind of see some his skin peeling away.

581
00:32:02.200 --> 00:32:04.519
And then his voice, you know, Mark Strong is he's

582
00:32:04.519 --> 00:32:07.160
a he's a London guy. He's got a very deep

583
00:32:07.200 --> 00:32:09.720
and really cool voice, but it's a very traditional London accent,

584
00:32:09.960 --> 00:32:13.039
whereas in this he's got this like I don't even

585
00:32:13.079 --> 00:32:14.960
really know how to define it. It's a little bit British,

586
00:32:15.000 --> 00:32:18.279
it's a little bit Eastern European. It feels very like

587
00:32:18.359 --> 00:32:21.640
Gothic almost accent that he puts on, and it makes

588
00:32:21.880 --> 00:32:25.759
all of his line reads seem otherworldly. And I think

589
00:32:25.759 --> 00:32:28.359
that that's a really interesting, really really cool choice.

590
00:32:28.920 --> 00:32:32.799
He's he's very menacing. So if if it wasn't for

591
00:32:32.960 --> 00:32:37.680
pin Boker right in this show, I'm I'm afraid that

592
00:32:37.799 --> 00:32:42.880
what would cause the drama right would be some something

593
00:32:42.920 --> 00:32:47.039
contrived like a ship malfunction or so. And I really

594
00:32:47.079 --> 00:32:52.960
feel like that between like the observations of of of Cerril,

595
00:32:53.319 --> 00:32:55.359
you know, like we see this character, you know, and

596
00:32:55.400 --> 00:32:59.000
there's there's something a little bit off about him, and

597
00:32:59.359 --> 00:33:02.759
I thinking that maybe at some point and even the

598
00:33:02.880 --> 00:33:07.640
captain you know, enjoys a good sun bath as well. Yeah,

599
00:33:07.680 --> 00:33:14.519
but Searle seems like he could have become pen Poker

600
00:33:15.519 --> 00:33:16.039
if he can't.

601
00:33:16.160 --> 00:33:19.400
Yeah, Yeah, that's one of the themes throughout this movie

602
00:33:19.440 --> 00:33:21.960
is sort of the you know, not just how we

603
00:33:22.279 --> 00:33:25.400
deal with adversity and we deal with mortality, but we

604
00:33:25.480 --> 00:33:29.160
deal with religion and spirituality and emotion as well. And

605
00:33:29.200 --> 00:33:31.960
I think that, yeah, Searle is only a few degrees

606
00:33:32.160 --> 00:33:36.720
separate from Pinbacker, and I'm not sure exactly what is

607
00:33:36.759 --> 00:33:38.440
that makes him different. Maybe it's the joy that he

608
00:33:38.480 --> 00:33:40.599
has in it. Maybe he doesn't necessarily take it to

609
00:33:40.599 --> 00:33:43.079
a spiritual level, although he does refer to the sun

610
00:33:43.119 --> 00:33:46.759
bath as a spiritual experience. Sure, but yeah, yeah, to

611
00:33:46.799 --> 00:33:50.839
your point, I think without without Pinbacker, the movie would

612
00:33:51.039 --> 00:33:54.079
the third act would have been very strange. With Pinbacker,

613
00:33:54.119 --> 00:33:56.599
the third act is very strange, but in a different way.

614
00:33:56.720 --> 00:33:59.599
Oh definitely. So we'll get into a little bit of

615
00:33:59.640 --> 00:34:01.000
the product here in a minute. But now it's a

616
00:34:01.000 --> 00:34:05.640
great time for a pomp promo break, all right, So

617
00:34:05.720 --> 00:34:08.639
let's talk a little bit about the production of this movie.

618
00:34:08.760 --> 00:34:11.800
So it's based on a script by Alex Garland, who

619
00:34:11.960 --> 00:34:16.360
is a twenty four's sci fi darling. He did Ex Machina, Annihilation,

620
00:34:17.119 --> 00:34:21.320
most recently Civil War, which is fantastic. He'd written several

621
00:34:21.320 --> 00:34:23.599
great scripts before directing, though he did Dread, which I

622
00:34:23.639 --> 00:34:26.880
think is great. Obviously he did this so Danny Boyle

623
00:34:27.039 --> 00:34:29.960
loved script. They started filming in two thousand and five

624
00:34:30.119 --> 00:34:34.400
in London on August twenty third, my birthday, and they

625
00:34:34.440 --> 00:34:38.360
filmed at Three Walls Studio, He used seventeen different sets

626
00:34:38.639 --> 00:34:43.440
and several miniatures and models. They filmed on thirty five

627
00:34:43.519 --> 00:34:46.559
millimeter anamorphic film, which I absolutely love. It was a

628
00:34:46.639 --> 00:34:49.519
choice that really lets the darks come through, it lets

629
00:34:49.559 --> 00:34:54.519
the light really feel different. It creates those lens flares

630
00:34:54.559 --> 00:34:55.960
and those bright golden lights.

631
00:34:56.480 --> 00:34:59.199
It was a great, great choice. There is a look,

632
00:34:59.360 --> 00:35:02.039
there is a look when shooting on film that when

633
00:35:02.079 --> 00:35:06.639
it's digital, you know, and you just don't get the

634
00:35:06.679 --> 00:35:09.559
same the same feeling for it, And I thought that

635
00:35:09.639 --> 00:35:13.679
this film looked fantastic because of that. Yeah, it really

636
00:35:13.840 --> 00:35:14.920
like the sun.

637
00:35:15.039 --> 00:35:17.840
It feels like its own character almost, not just the

638
00:35:18.039 --> 00:35:21.239
beautiful visual shots of the sun itself, but when the

639
00:35:21.280 --> 00:35:23.800
sun's in the room, it definitely it changes the texture

640
00:35:23.840 --> 00:35:26.599
of it. Because Boyle had switched to digital when he

641
00:35:26.679 --> 00:35:29.760
was filming twenty eight days later, so this was definitely

642
00:35:29.960 --> 00:35:31.840
a move back to film, which I think was just

643
00:35:31.920 --> 00:35:35.880
absolutely the right call. Most of the footage is actually

644
00:35:35.880 --> 00:35:38.719
inside the ship too, which we talked earlier about influences

645
00:35:38.719 --> 00:35:42.159
from Alien and dosput to create that really claustrophobic feeling.

646
00:35:43.039 --> 00:35:45.800
The outside shots really are only when it's necessary for

647
00:35:45.840 --> 00:35:49.480
the the logistics of the mission and there's only one

648
00:35:49.519 --> 00:35:51.599
shot on Earth, which was a very specific choice to

649
00:35:51.679 --> 00:35:55.199
not cut back to Earth at all, which is filmed

650
00:35:55.280 --> 00:36:01.280
in Stockholm, Sweden. It's a snowy shot. Oh yeah, so

651
00:36:01.320 --> 00:36:04.320
it's filmed in Stockholm, Sweden. You got this beautiful snowy

652
00:36:04.320 --> 00:36:08.079
shot with monoliths. But the shot then at the end,

653
00:36:08.239 --> 00:36:10.039
I love this kind of pans around and you can

654
00:36:10.039 --> 00:36:13.119
see that it's Australia. You see this Sidney opera house,

655
00:36:13.440 --> 00:36:15.800
which is really cool because it's you know, it shows

656
00:36:15.800 --> 00:36:18.480
how the sun going out has affected everything. But it's

657
00:36:18.679 --> 00:36:21.679
a great choice to just use such an iconic location

658
00:36:21.840 --> 00:36:22.320
as well.

659
00:36:22.440 --> 00:36:25.079
It's immediately reckon. You know exactly where you are when

660
00:36:25.159 --> 00:36:27.559
you say that. And I was surprised when I found

661
00:36:27.559 --> 00:36:31.199
out that it wasn't in Australia, mainly because I don't

662
00:36:31.239 --> 00:36:33.599
think they had the budget. Yeah, I mean it was.

663
00:36:33.639 --> 00:36:35.960
It was definitely a low budget film, so it was

664
00:36:36.039 --> 00:36:38.880
actually to that end. It was filmed on forty million dollars,

665
00:36:38.880 --> 00:36:42.360
which Boyle likes to work low budget. It only made

666
00:36:42.440 --> 00:36:44.800
thirty five million though, so it was pretty well considered

667
00:36:44.800 --> 00:36:50.000
a flop. Unfortunately. I think that's that's dreadful. I think

668
00:36:50.000 --> 00:36:51.760
everybody should have seen this, As you said, seeing it

669
00:36:51.800 --> 00:36:55.199
in theaters was a great experience. There's so many shots.

670
00:36:55.719 --> 00:36:57.920
The one that always comes out to my mind is

671
00:36:57.960 --> 00:36:59.719
the one of mercury passing in front.

672
00:36:59.480 --> 00:37:00.639
Of the Oh.

673
00:37:00.760 --> 00:37:05.000
Yeah, but it's beautiful and best stay on it.

674
00:37:05.119 --> 00:37:08.679
Yes, that mercury transit where it passes in front of

675
00:37:08.679 --> 00:37:12.440
the sun. And this is a scene where everyone is

676
00:37:12.559 --> 00:37:18.840
gathered inside that observation room. And in the director's commentary,

677
00:37:19.039 --> 00:37:21.920
he originally said that that they were going to have

678
00:37:22.039 --> 00:37:25.559
like voiceovers of what they were thinking as they were

679
00:37:25.840 --> 00:37:30.719
watching this, but he left it out, and I think

680
00:37:30.760 --> 00:37:34.880
it was way more impactful to just be in the moment.

681
00:37:35.719 --> 00:37:37.679
Yeah, I think we as the viewer really get to

682
00:37:37.719 --> 00:37:40.199
appreciate it because, like we sit on that shot for

683
00:37:40.320 --> 00:37:43.239
a while. You know, there's no dialogue, there's just there's

684
00:37:43.239 --> 00:37:46.719
a guitar playing. It's like an electric guitar, but it's

685
00:37:46.760 --> 00:37:49.639
not like some big, grand epic score. It feels very

686
00:37:49.679 --> 00:37:51.519
personal and I think it allows us to be in

687
00:37:51.519 --> 00:37:53.400
that moment with it and seeing that in the theater

688
00:37:53.960 --> 00:37:56.159
and admittedly, you know, this movie didn't do that well.

689
00:37:56.239 --> 00:37:57.760
I remember being in the theater and there was not

690
00:37:57.840 --> 00:37:59.719
many people in there with me. So it did wow,

691
00:38:00.599 --> 00:38:04.400
very personal, and I specifically remember that I don't remember

692
00:38:04.440 --> 00:38:07.199
a lot of my specific movie going experiences like that.

693
00:38:07.280 --> 00:38:11.239
So, and Mercury is not the largest planet in our

694
00:38:11.320 --> 00:38:16.599
solar system, and it's like that's slutely but still it's

695
00:38:16.599 --> 00:38:19.199
a planet. It would be if they're right up to it,

696
00:38:19.239 --> 00:38:21.760
they would be much it would be much larger to them.

697
00:38:22.079 --> 00:38:27.199
But it is just absolutely dwarfed by the size of

698
00:38:27.239 --> 00:38:29.679
the Sun. And it just really, I mean, it just

699
00:38:29.719 --> 00:38:32.559
really if you're watching it, you know, and you haven't

700
00:38:32.599 --> 00:38:34.840
really thought about it because you look and you see

701
00:38:34.840 --> 00:38:37.360
the Sun and it's you know, as far as ways

702
00:38:37.360 --> 00:38:41.039
it is, you don't really think about how how big

703
00:38:41.159 --> 00:38:44.519
this is. And and this movie really gets you to

704
00:38:44.559 --> 00:38:48.280
think about, hey, if this something started cooling down with

705
00:38:48.360 --> 00:38:50.960
the Sun, you know how I mean, it would destroy us.

706
00:38:51.960 --> 00:38:54.880
Yeah, and this I think Couples went really nicely with

707
00:38:54.920 --> 00:38:59.000
the opening shot you were talking about of Searle sitting

708
00:38:59.039 --> 00:39:01.800
in there taking his sun bath for lack of a

709
00:39:01.800 --> 00:39:05.719
better name, because between the two of them, it really

710
00:39:05.760 --> 00:39:08.079
makes this It puts you in this perspective for the

711
00:39:08.119 --> 00:39:12.960
Sun is so imposing. A couple times during production, depending

712
00:39:13.000 --> 00:39:14.840
on who you listened, to They describe it as godlike,

713
00:39:16.079 --> 00:39:18.239
and I think it sort of has that influence, especially

714
00:39:18.320 --> 00:39:22.239
later on as we're introduced to Pinbacker. It definitely affects

715
00:39:23.239 --> 00:39:26.000
our understanding of them, saying, you know, you're currently looking

716
00:39:26.039 --> 00:39:27.719
at two percent. He's like, well, can I go to

717
00:39:27.760 --> 00:39:29.840
four percent? And they're like, no, four percent would cause

718
00:39:29.920 --> 00:39:32.880
irreparable damage to your retinas. He's like, what's the most

719
00:39:32.880 --> 00:39:35.840
I could do? It's three point one percent for thirty seconds,

720
00:39:36.119 --> 00:39:38.559
and just the idea that that is the absolute most

721
00:39:38.639 --> 00:39:41.400
he can endure. Yeah, and it's only three point one

722
00:39:41.440 --> 00:39:44.400
percent for thirty seconds. So you combine that with this

723
00:39:44.480 --> 00:39:47.239
shot of as you said, seeing this tiny little planet

724
00:39:48.199 --> 00:39:51.480
traversing the Sun is just it's absolutely gorgeous.

725
00:39:51.920 --> 00:39:54.320
Of course, later pin Bocker says, hold my beer.

726
00:39:56.400 --> 00:40:00.320
Yeah, Well, and you know it's it really sets up

727
00:40:00.559 --> 00:40:03.039
that beautiful moment with Cearl when one of them has

728
00:40:03.079 --> 00:40:05.920
to stay back behind on the Icarus one. Yeah, and

729
00:40:06.000 --> 00:40:08.239
you know, he makes the up take, takes the opportunity

730
00:40:08.239 --> 00:40:11.519
to sit there and as Chris Two's mirror moves away

731
00:40:11.559 --> 00:40:13.000
and exposes him.

732
00:40:13.719 --> 00:40:15.920
You know, it's I feel.

733
00:40:15.719 --> 00:40:19.119
Like suicide is the wrong choice of words, because he

734
00:40:19.159 --> 00:40:20.679
didn't really have much in the way of a choice,

735
00:40:21.079 --> 00:40:24.159
but it's it's an interesting moment, and I think that

736
00:40:24.199 --> 00:40:26.320
this really sets us up for the grandeur of that

737
00:40:26.400 --> 00:40:27.119
moment later on.

738
00:40:27.280 --> 00:40:31.280
It was inevitable, right, he was doomed and exactly.

739
00:40:31.360 --> 00:40:35.920
Yeah, So we've talked about a couple really notable scenes already,

740
00:40:35.960 --> 00:40:37.880
but I want to take a moment, what are some

741
00:40:37.920 --> 00:40:40.840
scenes in this movie that really stand out as notable

742
00:40:40.880 --> 00:40:44.239
turning points or cruxes of the movie.

743
00:40:44.000 --> 00:40:47.119
When we already talked about one of them, of course,

744
00:40:47.239 --> 00:40:53.679
the Mercury Mercury transit was just just very impactful. So

745
00:40:53.719 --> 00:40:58.840
the scene after Kapa comes back from Icarus and Kapa

746
00:40:59.000 --> 00:41:03.159
and the remaining crew are on board and they've realized

747
00:41:03.199 --> 00:41:07.519
now that so pen Baker sabotages the air lock and

748
00:41:07.639 --> 00:41:11.280
they have to make a jump through space. And so

749
00:41:11.880 --> 00:41:17.280
Harvey is is telling Kappa, who's gotten into the space suit,

750
00:41:17.320 --> 00:41:19.679
that that he orders him out of that space suit,

751
00:41:19.960 --> 00:41:24.400
that he has to get out, and uh, Mace looks

752
00:41:24.440 --> 00:41:26.800
at him and he goes, You're basically saying, you know,

753
00:41:26.920 --> 00:41:28.719
Coppa is the only one who knows how to how

754
00:41:28.760 --> 00:41:31.920
to operate the h the payload. You know, he's the

755
00:41:31.920 --> 00:41:35.840
most important you know, Uh, and and Harvey says something

756
00:41:35.880 --> 00:41:38.920
along the lines of you know, well, I'm not unimportant,

757
00:41:39.400 --> 00:41:42.840
uh in there. Yeah, And then they realize that they're

758
00:41:42.880 --> 00:41:48.960
able to make the jump between the ships where you know,

759
00:41:49.039 --> 00:41:51.400
even though Kappa is in a suit, they will be

760
00:41:51.480 --> 00:41:55.159
exposed to space, into the cold of space. But you know,

761
00:41:55.480 --> 00:41:58.840
if if if the the trajectory of when they opened

762
00:41:58.920 --> 00:42:02.000
up the air lock happens, they'll shoot straight across like

763
00:42:02.039 --> 00:42:06.679
a shotgun. And so they go across, and and and

764
00:42:07.039 --> 00:42:09.679
Coppo kind of is right on target. He helps Mace

765
00:42:09.719 --> 00:42:14.239
get into the air lock. But unfortunately, as Harvey comes out,

766
00:42:14.360 --> 00:42:18.599
he hits the one of the part of the Icarus

767
00:42:18.639 --> 00:42:21.960
one and he starts going off the course and you

768
00:42:22.000 --> 00:42:25.800
just see him slowly freezing, uh. And then you know,

769
00:42:25.800 --> 00:42:29.960
he hits a part of the the gantries or the antennas,

770
00:42:30.000 --> 00:42:32.639
and he starts to break apart. And then just as

771
00:42:32.639 --> 00:42:35.400
soon as he starts to float past the shield, you

772
00:42:35.519 --> 00:42:38.480
just see him kind of like out of existence, you know,

773
00:42:38.519 --> 00:42:42.880
like a like a a fly hitting hitting a fly

774
00:42:43.079 --> 00:42:46.639
zapp or you know. And and it was just it

775
00:42:46.679 --> 00:42:50.199
was just it's weirdly beautiful. It's beautiful. And when I said,

776
00:42:50.199 --> 00:42:53.599
I felt really bad for Harvey. That was really that scene,

777
00:42:53.679 --> 00:42:56.039
because you know, he just he just wanted to go home.

778
00:42:56.639 --> 00:42:59.400
But then shortly after that, the other pivotal moment that

779
00:42:59.519 --> 00:43:03.000
was following right after this is that the crew decides

780
00:43:03.000 --> 00:43:05.559
that they're going to vote on whether or not to

781
00:43:05.719 --> 00:43:08.760
kill Trey because they feel that Trey was the person

782
00:43:08.800 --> 00:43:12.039
who sabotaged. They don't yet know that there's now a

783
00:43:12.880 --> 00:43:16.280
new person on board the ship, that Penboker has actually

784
00:43:16.320 --> 00:43:19.480
been on board the Icarus one for seven years and

785
00:43:19.519 --> 00:43:23.440
he's been transformed, and now that he's he's he was

786
00:43:23.519 --> 00:43:28.079
responsible for disabling the computer so that it could not

787
00:43:28.159 --> 00:43:33.480
deliver the payload. And then to me, it implied to me,

788
00:43:33.599 --> 00:43:37.119
I interpreted that he actually killed the crew. I don't

789
00:43:37.159 --> 00:43:39.679
know if the crew was part of it or what,

790
00:43:39.840 --> 00:43:42.719
but that's kind of what I took away from it, because,

791
00:43:43.039 --> 00:43:46.159
you know, they kept talking about how you can maintain oxygen,

792
00:43:46.480 --> 00:43:48.760
you know, if you have less people, So for him,

793
00:43:48.800 --> 00:43:53.480
it would be advantageous to have no one there. But

794
00:43:53.920 --> 00:43:57.039
he makes the jump over to the Charus too, and

795
00:43:57.519 --> 00:44:00.719
he's going to start doing the same thing, but they

796
00:44:00.719 --> 00:44:02.760
don't know that he's there yet, and they're having to

797
00:44:02.800 --> 00:44:07.360
make this decision about whether to go and kill Trey,

798
00:44:07.920 --> 00:44:10.159
and it has to be a unanimous vote. It's it's no,

799
00:44:10.519 --> 00:44:13.559
we're not leaving it to the scientist this time to say,

800
00:44:13.920 --> 00:44:17.519
you know, you know you're you make this decision. It's

801
00:44:17.599 --> 00:44:21.119
now a vote. And I just I just loved that.

802
00:44:21.159 --> 00:44:23.599
It was the character of Cassie who just said, you

803
00:44:23.639 --> 00:44:25.760
asked me if I'm going to vote, I can't do this.

804
00:44:26.000 --> 00:44:30.159
I'm not want to do this. That scene is so

805
00:44:30.320 --> 00:44:32.840
great too, because it's so powerful. Oh my gosh.

806
00:44:32.880 --> 00:44:36.440
Yeah, you know you've got Michelle Yo's Corey, who she's

807
00:44:36.480 --> 00:44:37.880
been the one saying this whole time, we don't have

808
00:44:38.000 --> 00:44:40.559
enough oxygen for everybody that you know, we have enough oxygen.

809
00:44:40.559 --> 00:44:43.039
This is how much we have to get us to

810
00:44:43.199 --> 00:44:45.760
pay a little delivery. So she knows the math. And

811
00:44:45.800 --> 00:44:47.679
you know, we know Mace's character at this point, he'll

812
00:44:47.760 --> 00:44:49.840
kill anybody, he'll kill himself. He doesn't care as long

813
00:44:49.880 --> 00:44:52.320
as we complete the mission. So it really comes down

814
00:44:52.320 --> 00:44:55.119
to Kappa, who you can just see the defeat in

815
00:44:55.159 --> 00:44:57.440
his eyes, but he knows the math and he's like, yeah, yeah,

816
00:44:57.559 --> 00:44:58.400
what do you want me to say?

817
00:44:58.440 --> 00:44:59.039
You know, kill him?

818
00:44:59.079 --> 00:45:01.519
Like he doesn't have the other. He has no other input.

819
00:45:01.800 --> 00:45:03.840
So it's a beautiful scene where she knows just like

820
00:45:03.880 --> 00:45:06.280
they do. She understands the math and just can't give

821
00:45:06.320 --> 00:45:09.679
that go ahead. She doesn't necessarily say no, but she's

822
00:45:09.760 --> 00:45:13.000
unwilling to say yes. And I love that that hard

823
00:45:13.079 --> 00:45:14.960
line of you know, even in the face of this,

824
00:45:15.199 --> 00:45:16.920
you know, I want to maintain some shred of my

825
00:45:17.000 --> 00:45:19.280
humanity because they all know that they're not going to

826
00:45:19.320 --> 00:45:22.440
make it home by this point. And it's it's interesting too,

827
00:45:22.519 --> 00:45:26.719
because the point becomes moot because you know, Trey has

828
00:45:26.840 --> 00:45:29.480
has woken up enough to take his own life. Much

829
00:45:29.519 --> 00:45:31.800
like everybody else, he knew the weight of what was

830
00:45:31.840 --> 00:45:36.199
going on. And then it becomes moot again when Pinbacker's

831
00:45:36.199 --> 00:45:38.199
on board, and now you know, we have this this

832
00:45:38.280 --> 00:45:41.480
crazy problem to deal with. So I love that they

833
00:45:41.480 --> 00:45:44.239
gave us that moment instead of just going straight to

834
00:45:44.280 --> 00:45:45.679
the fear and the horror.

835
00:45:46.400 --> 00:45:50.599
Okay, So I interpreted trade differently than you did. Okay.

836
00:45:51.199 --> 00:45:55.280
So I interpreted that that Trey did not commit suicide,

837
00:45:55.880 --> 00:46:00.320
but he was killed by Penbacker because Mace was that.

838
00:46:00.360 --> 00:46:05.880
Mace goes back to to to do the deed, if

839
00:46:05.920 --> 00:46:08.719
you will, and he opens up this tray and in

840
00:46:08.800 --> 00:46:12.480
the tray there are those scalpels, and there's two of

841
00:46:12.519 --> 00:46:15.519
them are already missing, Okay, so you're you know, he

842
00:46:15.599 --> 00:46:18.000
picks up one, and then he goes in he sees

843
00:46:18.079 --> 00:46:20.800
tray tray is is is in the what they call

844
00:46:20.880 --> 00:46:23.400
the earth room, and it's kind of like the hollow deck,

845
00:46:23.440 --> 00:46:26.320
if you will. And and he has the slits on

846
00:46:26.360 --> 00:46:29.320
his on his wrist, and you can see the scalpel

847
00:46:29.440 --> 00:46:32.960
is there by his leg. And then later you realize

848
00:46:32.960 --> 00:46:36.639
that Penbroker has the other scalpel. I interpreted that that

849
00:46:36.760 --> 00:46:40.000
he didn't kill himself, but that because two of them

850
00:46:40.000 --> 00:46:42.599
were missing, that that Penbroker had killed him and set

851
00:46:42.679 --> 00:46:46.440
him up like that in much the same way that

852
00:46:46.599 --> 00:46:51.239
he ultimately kills Corey and sets her up kind of

853
00:46:51.280 --> 00:46:56.320
in that yoga pose with the sprout that she found

854
00:46:56.679 --> 00:46:59.920
in the ruins of the oxygen garden. And that was

855
00:47:00.280 --> 00:47:01.079
that was my take.

856
00:47:02.159 --> 00:47:05.480
It's funny because they don't specify either way. I think

857
00:47:05.760 --> 00:47:08.800
because earlier on, when you know he had made the

858
00:47:08.800 --> 00:47:12.239
mistake that potentially cost him the mission, he's doped up

859
00:47:12.239 --> 00:47:15.199
and placed on a suicide watch. And you know, the

860
00:47:15.239 --> 00:47:17.239
captain even says, I don't think anybody here is going

861
00:47:17.239 --> 00:47:19.920
to argue with that assessment. So it's very much set

862
00:47:19.960 --> 00:47:22.719
up that that's where his head's at, but they never specified, right,

863
00:47:22.760 --> 00:47:24.159
it kind of could go either way.

864
00:47:24.440 --> 00:47:27.679
It's the same with the crew on board the Icarus one.

865
00:47:27.719 --> 00:47:29.760
I was trying to find out that you know that

866
00:47:29.880 --> 00:47:32.400
they all decide to go in the room together, or

867
00:47:32.719 --> 00:47:36.599
you know, was that done to them? So it's interesting

868
00:47:36.639 --> 00:47:38.199
that you and I view it so differently because I

869
00:47:38.239 --> 00:47:40.880
assumed everybody on Icarus one, when they realized their mission

870
00:47:40.960 --> 00:47:44.480
was over and they couldn't see, they chose to do

871
00:47:44.480 --> 00:47:48.119
that to themselves. Yeah, but yeah, it could have absolutely

872
00:47:48.119 --> 00:47:52.280
been Pinbacker. It's sabotaging and killing. See. Okay, so this

873
00:47:52.360 --> 00:47:54.360
is what I like about the movie. Okay, it's like

874
00:47:54.400 --> 00:47:56.440
two thousand and one. Right when you get to the

875
00:47:56.480 --> 00:47:58.960
end of two thousand and one, do you really have

876
00:47:59.039 --> 00:48:03.000
an ending? Right? You have? You have how the movie

877
00:48:03.079 --> 00:48:07.320
comes to its conclusion, But what it means is one

878
00:48:07.360 --> 00:48:10.800
hundred percent up to you. It's not all spelled out

879
00:48:10.920 --> 00:48:15.239
to you, and it gives it gives the story enough

880
00:48:15.519 --> 00:48:18.400
room to let it breathe for different people who are

881
00:48:18.400 --> 00:48:20.760
coming in to watch it. Uh, and you get to

882
00:48:20.800 --> 00:48:23.400
walk away with what your own interpretations of it is.

883
00:48:23.480 --> 00:48:27.039
And and and I think the you know, the the

884
00:48:27.079 --> 00:48:33.519
whole idea of of of either religion versus science or

885
00:48:33.760 --> 00:48:37.199
or that that take that they were having in there.

886
00:48:37.599 --> 00:48:41.360
Yeah, and especially the third act with Pinbacker, I think,

887
00:48:41.400 --> 00:48:42.880
you know, as we talk about the Son being this

888
00:48:43.000 --> 00:48:46.480
godlike entity and he's a very religious man, and he's

889
00:48:46.519 --> 00:48:49.599
talking about I'm an agent of God and all this stuff,

890
00:48:49.920 --> 00:48:51.719
they don't say that he is. They don't say that

891
00:48:51.760 --> 00:48:53.400
he isn't you don't know if this is just a

892
00:48:53.440 --> 00:48:56.239
crazy guy who's managed to survive, or if this really

893
00:48:56.320 --> 00:48:59.599
is some supernatural force that's terrorizing them and trying to

894
00:48:59.639 --> 00:49:02.679
prevent them. And I love that the lack of answers.

895
00:49:02.719 --> 00:49:05.480
You know, we don't even really understand the payload, as

896
00:49:05.480 --> 00:49:08.159
they say, you know, it's entirely theoretical. So it's a

897
00:49:08.239 --> 00:49:12.440
very interesting ending as the payloads set off and you

898
00:49:12.519 --> 00:49:16.159
get this beautiful, beautiful shot really understand what's going on.

899
00:49:16.199 --> 00:49:18.199
There's no way to understand what's going on. And that's

900
00:49:18.239 --> 00:49:19.119
a really cool choice.

901
00:49:19.400 --> 00:49:23.039
What's awesome is is too because like there's the uh,

902
00:49:23.119 --> 00:49:27.239
you know, they they had the uh, the physicist who

903
00:49:27.239 --> 00:49:30.119
worked along with them. I believe it's the same physicists

904
00:49:30.159 --> 00:49:36.400
who work with Killian that they were like, what would

905
00:49:36.440 --> 00:49:41.039
happen if you're on board this payload and you're accelerating

906
00:49:41.119 --> 00:49:44.440
down what happens to a person? You know, and he

907
00:49:44.480 --> 00:49:47.639
gets to the point and like, you know, we really

908
00:49:47.679 --> 00:49:50.880
don't know at this point because you know, what does

909
00:49:50.920 --> 00:49:53.880
something happen with time and space? What's going on here?

910
00:49:54.159 --> 00:49:57.199
Because these are just things we can't possibly know, And

911
00:49:57.280 --> 00:50:02.559
so I think in some cases they don't address it,

912
00:50:02.960 --> 00:50:07.400
you know, in order to serve the story. Like if

913
00:50:07.440 --> 00:50:12.280
you notice there's somehow there's artificial gravity in the ship

914
00:50:12.519 --> 00:50:14.760
and there's nothing that would be providing that in real

915
00:50:14.800 --> 00:50:18.960
life for them. So like, I like that in sci

916
00:50:19.079 --> 00:50:22.199
fi were sometimes you need sometimes you need reality.

917
00:50:22.239 --> 00:50:24.360
I love Andy Weir and I love his books, and

918
00:50:24.400 --> 00:50:26.679
I love you know, The Martian, but sometimes you need

919
00:50:26.719 --> 00:50:29.039
to be like, it's sci fi and I just need

920
00:50:29.039 --> 00:50:31.079
this to happen for the story to make sense.

921
00:50:31.280 --> 00:50:33.679
So we're just gonna let it go because at the end,

922
00:50:33.679 --> 00:50:36.719
it's the story. It is the story that is driving

923
00:50:36.719 --> 00:50:40.039
It's it's not the you know, well, actually they needs

924
00:50:40.360 --> 00:50:42.199
huge to be able for that to happen. You know,

925
00:50:42.360 --> 00:50:45.639
like in two thousand and want No. I mean, because

926
00:50:45.679 --> 00:50:48.480
at this point you're not even thinking about that, you know.

927
00:50:48.559 --> 00:50:51.519
Like I said earlier, the special effects in this movie

928
00:50:51.599 --> 00:50:54.360
are amazing. I think post production was like a year

929
00:50:54.440 --> 00:50:58.519
because Danny wanted only to use a single house as

930
00:50:58.519 --> 00:51:01.199
opposed to farming at all out all over the place

931
00:51:01.599 --> 00:51:03.159
like you see at the end of movies. It was

932
00:51:03.199 --> 00:51:07.639
done by one production house and it just looks so good,

933
00:51:08.159 --> 00:51:10.960
and man, what a what a production.

934
00:51:11.440 --> 00:51:13.159
Yeah, I mean, we're coming up on twenty years later

935
00:51:13.159 --> 00:51:15.840
and it still looks beautiful. So it looks it looks

936
00:51:15.920 --> 00:51:18.920
absolutely great choice. So as far as pivotal scenes, though,

937
00:51:18.920 --> 00:51:20.400
I got to go back a little earlier in the

938
00:51:20.440 --> 00:51:24.000
film to the moment they received the distress call from

939
00:51:24.119 --> 00:51:28.079
Icarus One. This sort of sets the events of the

940
00:51:28.119 --> 00:51:30.599
movie in motion. Were it not for the scene, they

941
00:51:30.599 --> 00:51:33.960
would probably have a pretty uneventful path to the sun

942
00:51:34.039 --> 00:51:41.079
and back home. But they as they're debating this choice,

943
00:51:41.519 --> 00:51:46.719
I'm curious what they're faced with is we have a

944
00:51:46.719 --> 00:51:48.800
distress call from Chris One and we're going to pass

945
00:51:49.079 --> 00:51:51.280
pretty dang close. I think they said like fifteen thousand miles,

946
00:51:51.360 --> 00:51:54.039
which in the terms of space is like passing right

947
00:51:54.119 --> 00:51:59.199
by the Icarus one and they all agree, thankfully. I

948
00:51:59.199 --> 00:52:01.440
think some sci fi I would have probably delved into

949
00:52:01.480 --> 00:52:02.840
this idea of like, we've got to go check and

950
00:52:02.840 --> 00:52:04.719
see if they're alive. It's the human thing to do.

951
00:52:04.960 --> 00:52:06.519
But I love that everybody on board is like, no,

952
00:52:06.719 --> 00:52:09.519
they're expendable. We're expendable. This mission is too important. They

953
00:52:09.599 --> 00:52:12.159
just skip right over that. Nobody's gonna argue at that point. Yeah,

954
00:52:12.599 --> 00:52:15.840
but then they get to is it worth the risk

955
00:52:16.079 --> 00:52:20.239
of having a second potential payload for the risk of

956
00:52:20.320 --> 00:52:23.960
adjusting our mission? We now know, with the benefit of hindsight,

957
00:52:24.000 --> 00:52:26.719
that was a terrible call. But I'm curious what your

958
00:52:26.760 --> 00:52:30.119
thoughts are, you know, with the situation given to them,

959
00:52:30.559 --> 00:52:32.000
where do you land on that choice?

960
00:52:32.719 --> 00:52:40.239
So, Okay, every great science fiction movie they introduce the ship,

961
00:52:41.599 --> 00:52:46.719
then they introduce the crew, and then there's the mysterious signal,

962
00:52:48.519 --> 00:52:53.159
and if they if any movie just never answered the signal,

963
00:52:54.000 --> 00:52:58.679
there wouldn't be any drama whatsoever. So they absolutely had

964
00:52:58.719 --> 00:53:03.679
to go to the I mean, I think that the

965
00:53:03.719 --> 00:53:09.639
possibility of having two payloads versus one, just due to

966
00:53:09.719 --> 00:53:13.079
the to what this potentially means to all of Earth.

967
00:53:13.320 --> 00:53:17.599
Everyone else. Uh, it's it's too big of a of

968
00:53:18.000 --> 00:53:21.119
an opportunity to pass up. What they don't know is

969
00:53:21.159 --> 00:53:24.119
that they don't know that pen Boker has been there

970
00:53:24.199 --> 00:53:27.960
all seven years. He's completely sabotaged a computer. The ship

971
00:53:28.159 --> 00:53:30.920
cannot move. So if the ship can't move, it can't

972
00:53:30.960 --> 00:53:33.400
move the shield, it can't move the payload into position.

973
00:53:34.000 --> 00:53:39.239
It's it's worthless. They didn't know that though, So and

974
00:53:39.320 --> 00:53:41.639
just to comment on that. On the signal that they're

975
00:53:41.679 --> 00:53:47.880
getting of of of the of the chorus ones distress signal,

976
00:53:48.320 --> 00:53:52.440
those were based on sounds from space that they have recorded.

977
00:53:52.960 --> 00:53:53.199
Uh.

978
00:53:53.360 --> 00:53:57.280
And the there's there's a there's a credit at the

979
00:53:57.400 --> 00:54:01.920
end of the movie for it, and in Murphy's score

980
00:54:02.000 --> 00:54:05.639
for this with them him and Underworld, there's just a

981
00:54:05.679 --> 00:54:09.400
whole track where it has that sound played throughout it.

982
00:54:09.400 --> 00:54:13.400
It's if you like this movie and you haven't listened

983
00:54:13.400 --> 00:54:16.719
to the soundtrack, it's really good. Yeah.

984
00:54:16.840 --> 00:54:18.559
I love the way they did the soundtrack too, because,

985
00:54:18.679 --> 00:54:20.920
unlike some other ones, they had filmed and edited the

986
00:54:20.920 --> 00:54:24.039
whole movie and then gave it to John Murphy and

987
00:54:24.239 --> 00:54:27.840
Underworld and let them kind of the word that I

988
00:54:27.920 --> 00:54:31.159
read was improvised. I don't think that's necessarily accurate, but

989
00:54:31.239 --> 00:54:32.920
sort of play to watching the movie, and I think

990
00:54:32.960 --> 00:54:35.199
that there's a couple places where it's necessarly a song

991
00:54:35.280 --> 00:54:37.400
that you hear. It's just some notes or a soundscape,

992
00:54:37.440 --> 00:54:41.960
but it's so good. It's reminiscent of like John Carpenter's

993
00:54:42.000 --> 00:54:45.519
The Thing Sounds you Hear in you know, on the

994
00:54:45.519 --> 00:54:49.840
the Nostromo and Aliens or alien rather, And I absolutely

995
00:54:49.880 --> 00:54:51.719
love that because I think you could have gone the

996
00:54:51.800 --> 00:54:54.599
John Williams route, the big dramatic score, and it would

997
00:54:54.599 --> 00:54:56.280
have been good, but I don't think it would have

998
00:54:56.280 --> 00:54:58.119
been quite as personal as this movie is. And that's

999
00:54:58.119 --> 00:55:00.280
what I think of about Danny Boyle. He makes very

1000
00:55:00.280 --> 00:55:03.840
personal films, even when they're in space outside the sun.

1001
00:55:05.000 --> 00:55:07.840
All right, well, is there anything else specifically about any

1002
00:55:07.840 --> 00:55:09.360
of the scenes in this movie you wanted to discuss

1003
00:55:09.360 --> 00:55:10.400
that we haven't touched on yet.

1004
00:55:10.719 --> 00:55:14.440
No, you touched on the ending a little bit. I

1005
00:55:15.000 --> 00:55:23.199
thought that Kappa's resolution of his story was beautiful, and

1006
00:55:23.239 --> 00:55:28.000
I will leave that for people to discover themselves on

1007
00:55:28.039 --> 00:55:30.639
it and let them come away with how they want

1008
00:55:30.679 --> 00:55:35.440
to interpret that final scene, because it was I thought

1009
00:55:35.440 --> 00:55:38.719
it was really really well done. I'm overly gushing about

1010
00:55:38.719 --> 00:55:41.239
this film. Yeah, I trust me, I could do it

1011
00:55:41.239 --> 00:55:41.559
all day.

1012
00:55:41.679 --> 00:55:43.960
I feel you, and I do want to say, because

1013
00:55:44.000 --> 00:55:46.000
we touched on it earlier, I've read several views like

1014
00:55:46.039 --> 00:55:48.880
you mentioned that say that this movie was good until

1015
00:55:48.880 --> 00:55:50.800
the third act and it kind of took it a detour.

1016
00:55:51.119 --> 00:55:53.920
That was actually my initial interpretation as well. First time

1017
00:55:53.960 --> 00:55:55.039
I saw it, I was like, it kind of went

1018
00:55:55.039 --> 00:55:57.440
off the rails. Now that've had time to process it

1019
00:55:57.559 --> 00:55:59.199
really think about the themes and what the movie is

1020
00:55:59.280 --> 00:56:02.920
trying to do. I actually really love the third act. Yeah,

1021
00:56:02.960 --> 00:56:05.039
but I totally understand if you watch this movie and

1022
00:56:05.039 --> 00:56:06.400
you're like, what the hell is that?

1023
00:56:06.400 --> 00:56:10.719
That took a weird turn? It's different for sure. Yeah yeah, yeah, So,

1024
00:56:10.800 --> 00:56:14.159
I mean the first two acts it is a hardcore

1025
00:56:14.280 --> 00:56:18.719
science fiction show. As we discussed, we stopped, we talked

1026
00:56:18.760 --> 00:56:21.280
about it. It starts off as two thousand and one, it

1027
00:56:21.519 --> 00:56:28.199
ends as Jason X. You know, yeah, you're one hundred

1028
00:56:28.199 --> 00:56:31.400
percent right. It's got a very horror like quality to

1029
00:56:31.440 --> 00:56:37.360
that last act, but it works beautifully. So we're talking

1030
00:56:37.360 --> 00:56:38.400
today about Danny Boyle.

1031
00:56:38.880 --> 00:56:42.880
Danny has done amazing work starting the nineties with I

1032
00:56:42.920 --> 00:56:44.960
think his first movie is Shallow Grave, but I think

1033
00:56:45.000 --> 00:56:46.920
he was first, at least in my mind, came to

1034
00:56:46.920 --> 00:56:50.400
the Spotlight with Trainspotting. What are your thoughts on Danny

1035
00:56:50.440 --> 00:56:51.239
as a director.

1036
00:56:51.599 --> 00:56:54.360
The biggest compliment that I can give to a director, though,

1037
00:56:54.480 --> 00:56:57.440
is if I have remembered who they are. And when

1038
00:56:57.719 --> 00:57:02.199
a Danny Boyle film comes out into the theater, and

1039
00:57:02.559 --> 00:57:04.679
that's I want to make sure that I try to

1040
00:57:04.679 --> 00:57:06.800
make it out to go and see it. So but

1041
00:57:06.800 --> 00:57:08.800
there's there's some of them that I mean, I'm just

1042
00:57:08.880 --> 00:57:13.159
realizing was his film, and I didn't realize it at

1043
00:57:13.159 --> 00:57:15.840
the time, Like one hundred and twenty seven Hours, I

1044
00:57:15.840 --> 00:57:20.159
didn't realize that that was his his his film at all.

1045
00:57:20.400 --> 00:57:23.320
But you know, I think I mentioned earlier that I

1046
00:57:23.760 --> 00:57:29.480
liked I love zombie movies. I love his take on zombies.

1047
00:57:30.159 --> 00:57:33.039
I am. I am a diet in the Wold George Romero.

1048
00:57:33.440 --> 00:57:38.400
They walk slow, but you know, it's it's the rage virus,

1049
00:57:38.760 --> 00:57:40.159
so they're not zombies.

1050
00:57:40.159 --> 00:57:43.960
So it doesn't they're not zombies, you know, But so

1051
00:57:44.159 --> 00:57:47.880
I I mean, I just I just learned that twenty

1052
00:57:47.920 --> 00:57:51.760
eight years Later is in production and that some photographs

1053
00:57:51.760 --> 00:57:54.480
have dropped on that, and it's it's scheduled.

1054
00:57:54.000 --> 00:57:57.039
For twenty twenty five. So today was like just like

1055
00:57:57.159 --> 00:58:00.320
a great day of news for me, for Danny Boil,

1056
00:58:00.400 --> 00:58:03.679
but also for a conclusion of of of a series

1057
00:58:03.719 --> 00:58:06.320
of films that I really really enjoyed.

1058
00:58:07.199 --> 00:58:09.760
Yeah, I'm really excited about that one as well. I think,

1059
00:58:09.920 --> 00:58:11.000
you know, you kind of hit the nail on the

1060
00:58:11.039 --> 00:58:12.639
head with something earlier. Is a lot of times you

1061
00:58:12.679 --> 00:58:16.360
watch a Danny Boyle movie and it doesn't uh the

1062
00:58:16.360 --> 00:58:18.920
way you watch a Christopher Nolan film. You can feel like, oh,

1063
00:58:18.920 --> 00:58:21.239
this is a Nolan film, yeah, or Tarantino. You just

1064
00:58:21.360 --> 00:58:24.960
it's the style, it's the tone, it's the the language.

1065
00:58:24.960 --> 00:58:28.920
You can just conversations exactly.

1066
00:58:29.000 --> 00:58:30.840
And one of the things I love about Danny Boyle

1067
00:58:30.920 --> 00:58:32.239
is I feel like he's a little bit more of

1068
00:58:32.239 --> 00:58:34.599
a chameleon. He looks at what the movie needs and goes, Okay,

1069
00:58:34.599 --> 00:58:36.719
this is the style we're gonna do, and it's you know,

1070
00:58:36.760 --> 00:58:38.559
it's always interesting. He always kind of puts his own

1071
00:58:38.559 --> 00:58:41.039
spin on it, but it feels more like this is

1072
00:58:41.039 --> 00:58:43.599
what this movie needs. I don't think you could watch

1073
00:58:43.719 --> 00:58:45.840
to your point one hundred and twenty seven hours and

1074
00:58:45.880 --> 00:58:49.880
then go watch Yesterday and then go watch Sunshine. There's

1075
00:58:49.880 --> 00:58:51.119
no way in hell I would guess those are the

1076
00:58:51.159 --> 00:58:52.480
songs man he did yesterday.

1077
00:58:53.239 --> 00:58:56.840
Yeah, the one with the songs. Yeah. I interested that movie.

1078
00:58:57.519 --> 00:59:00.559
Yeah, totally, could not be more different then the other

1079
00:59:00.599 --> 00:59:03.519
movies we've discussed, but it's still great. I still love

1080
00:59:03.519 --> 00:59:06.480
it and they all feel very personal and that's why

1081
00:59:06.639 --> 00:59:07.880
I think, Well, I'm a big fan of him.

1082
00:59:07.920 --> 00:59:12.239
Yeah, yeah, now he's yeah, this is really good. Right.

1083
00:59:12.239 --> 00:59:13.880
Well, I want to give you a couple of fun

1084
00:59:13.880 --> 00:59:15.599
facts about Danny Boyle here before we go through his

1085
00:59:15.639 --> 00:59:19.159
small filmography, which I'm tempted to do, but we won't.

1086
00:59:19.360 --> 00:59:22.000
So one of the things I really like is during COVID,

1087
00:59:22.199 --> 00:59:26.960
Danny Boyle was there had been directing Frankenstein Mary Shelley's

1088
00:59:26.960 --> 00:59:30.079
Frankenstein at the London Theater and as a way of

1089
00:59:30.239 --> 00:59:32.880
helping people who were stuck inside, he actually released it

1090
00:59:32.920 --> 00:59:35.280
for free online so you could watch. And he had

1091
00:59:35.280 --> 00:59:38.480
done two different versions, so both Johnny Lee Miller and

1092
00:59:38.519 --> 00:59:43.920
Benedict Cumberbatch were playing doctor Frankenstein and the monster Oh Wow.

1093
00:59:44.199 --> 00:59:46.360
And then they would alternate roles, so they both played

1094
00:59:46.400 --> 00:59:48.400
both roles depending on when you would to see it.

1095
00:59:48.400 --> 00:59:51.320
They released both versions of it online. I watched it.

1096
00:59:51.360 --> 00:59:54.880
I watched the version where Cumberbatch was the monster, and

1097
00:59:54.920 --> 00:59:57.599
it was fantastic. I also thought it was funny that

1098
00:59:57.639 --> 01:00:00.239
he had two active Sherlock Holmes's at the time, I'm

1099
01:00:00.599 --> 01:00:04.119
playing the two roles, but fantastic. He does a lot

1100
01:00:04.159 --> 01:00:06.280
of live theater. If you're into live theater in London,

1101
01:00:06.320 --> 01:00:08.920
he's I think that that personal element to his work

1102
01:00:09.000 --> 01:00:13.320
translates to theater really nicely. Also, and this is one

1103
01:00:13.360 --> 01:00:15.599
that I'm a little upset about. I've talked about how

1104
01:00:15.639 --> 01:00:18.519
much I love him. As a director, he was offered

1105
01:00:18.559 --> 01:00:22.239
a lot of really great franchises. He was offered to

1106
01:00:22.320 --> 01:00:24.679
make one of the Scream movies. I believe it was

1107
01:00:24.719 --> 01:00:26.880
Scream four when they were trying to reboot the franchise.

1108
01:00:28.239 --> 01:00:31.880
He was also offered what ended up becoming No Time

1109
01:00:31.920 --> 01:00:36.679
to Die, the James Bond film, Daniel Craig's last. He

1110
01:00:36.760 --> 01:00:39.280
ended up leaving that to work on some other projects,

1111
01:00:39.880 --> 01:00:42.880
and then he was also offered Alien four, which then

1112
01:00:42.920 --> 01:00:46.480
became Alien Resurrection, which is terrible, isn't I mean, I

1113
01:00:46.519 --> 01:00:48.880
don't we don't have to go down that road. But

1114
01:00:49.079 --> 01:00:51.599
I would have loved to see a Danny Boyle Alien movie.

1115
01:00:51.639 --> 01:00:54.079
I still would if he ever wants to get on that,

1116
01:00:54.199 --> 01:00:57.159
I fully support it. So he's had the opportunity to

1117
01:00:57.199 --> 01:00:59.639
make these great franchise films, but he likes to do

1118
01:01:00.039 --> 01:01:04.519
much more intimate, much more personal stories, and I love that.

1119
01:01:05.280 --> 01:01:10.079
Yeah, I'm kind of glad he hasn't done like these big,

1120
01:01:10.320 --> 01:01:14.360
big name franchises. And you know, even even like if

1121
01:01:14.400 --> 01:01:19.320
you say the twenty eight Days series is his own franchise,

1122
01:01:19.800 --> 01:01:24.159
I like that he's not big like that.

1123
01:01:25.760 --> 01:01:28.440
This is also something that I found really interesting, given

1124
01:01:28.440 --> 01:01:33.800
that we talked about how this movie Sunshine essentially reaffirmed

1125
01:01:33.880 --> 01:01:38.320
Killian Murphy's atheism, I found that Danny Boyle was actually

1126
01:01:38.400 --> 01:01:42.599
named Britain's most influential Roman Catholic. I don't know exactly

1127
01:01:42.639 --> 01:01:44.280
know how much competition there was for that role, but

1128
01:01:44.320 --> 01:01:45.920
I just thought that was a very specific thing that

1129
01:01:45.960 --> 01:01:47.719
the Roman Catholic Church was like, we got to single

1130
01:01:47.760 --> 01:01:48.559
this guy out, and I was.

1131
01:01:48.559 --> 01:01:50.840
Like, I've I've watched most of his movies.

1132
01:01:50.880 --> 01:01:53.079
I didn't really get a whole lot of Catholicism from that,

1133
01:01:53.119 --> 01:01:54.960
but I mean, hey, good for you guys.

1134
01:01:55.000 --> 01:01:57.920
I guess then I read somewhere that he was originally

1135
01:01:57.920 --> 01:02:00.920
studying to be a priest. That's true.

1136
01:02:01.039 --> 01:02:04.280
Yeah, earlier early on, which leads into one of my

1137
01:02:04.320 --> 01:02:06.480
absolute favorite quotes from this guy, because it.

1138
01:02:06.440 --> 01:02:07.239
Was actually early on.

1139
01:02:07.320 --> 01:02:08.880
He was a young man of twenty one when he

1140
01:02:09.280 --> 01:02:12.519
went to the theater and saw Apocalypse Now, and the

1141
01:02:12.559 --> 01:02:14.639
way he describes it, I think is awesome. He said

1142
01:02:14.920 --> 01:02:18.639
it had eviscerated my brain completely. I was an impressionable

1143
01:02:18.639 --> 01:02:20.880
twenty one year old guy from the sticks. My brain

1144
01:02:20.920 --> 01:02:24.039
had not been fed and watered with great culture, you know,

1145
01:02:24.199 --> 01:02:27.039
the way art's meant to. It had been sand blasted

1146
01:02:27.119 --> 01:02:29.679
by the power of cinema. And that's why cinema, despite

1147
01:02:29.719 --> 01:02:32.079
everything we try to do, it remains a young man's

1148
01:02:32.119 --> 01:02:35.719
medium really in terms of the audience. And I think

1149
01:02:35.719 --> 01:02:38.360
that's got a punk rock vibe, like art should really

1150
01:02:38.440 --> 01:02:40.280
hit you and it should change you and should impact you,

1151
01:02:40.320 --> 01:02:42.719
and it's a young man's medium. It's a very punk

1152
01:02:42.800 --> 01:02:45.480
rock way of describing film, and I love that about him.

1153
01:02:46.360 --> 01:02:48.079
All right, So let's wrap things up a little bit.

1154
01:02:48.119 --> 01:02:50.679
I want to talk about your take on Danny Boyle.

1155
01:02:50.679 --> 01:02:52.880
If you are introducing somebody, they just heard us talk

1156
01:02:52.880 --> 01:02:56.159
about Sunshine, they want to know more. Danny Boyle what

1157
01:02:56.320 --> 01:02:58.280
three films would you say they need to watch?

1158
01:02:59.199 --> 01:03:02.880
Okay, so you know, I'm going back now, and I've

1159
01:03:02.960 --> 01:03:05.440
pulled this up because I was just blown away by

1160
01:03:05.559 --> 01:03:09.960
yesterday and I didn't realize that he had done yesterday.

1161
01:03:10.599 --> 01:03:14.719
So of course I've already talked about twenty eight days Later.

1162
01:03:14.920 --> 01:03:17.599
So I'm going to recommend someone go and watch twenty

1163
01:03:17.639 --> 01:03:21.239
eight days Later. But I really like the sequel to

1164
01:03:21.320 --> 01:03:25.239
that twenty eight weeks Later with Jeremy Renner, because there

1165
01:03:25.320 --> 01:03:27.880
is a scene in there. I already said I'm a

1166
01:03:27.960 --> 01:03:31.000
slow walker kind of zombie guy, but there's a scene

1167
01:03:31.000 --> 01:03:36.519
in there where a raged infected person bites another person

1168
01:03:36.559 --> 01:03:40.719
and they're in this underground they're locked in and you

1169
01:03:40.760 --> 01:03:44.000
can just see it spreading through people. And after having

1170
01:03:44.039 --> 01:03:47.159
come through the COVID virus, you know, it's like that now.

1171
01:03:47.320 --> 01:03:52.159
Really it used to be scary, Now it's terrifying. So

1172
01:03:52.880 --> 01:03:56.679
I actually like the sequel just as much as the original.

1173
01:03:56.960 --> 01:04:00.119
But that's not going to be my second one. You

1174
01:04:00.719 --> 01:04:03.920
will do yourself a disservice if you don't watch Train Spinning,

1175
01:04:04.519 --> 01:04:09.559
because that is that is a a great film in

1176
01:04:09.719 --> 01:04:14.000
terms of uh just it was my first introduction to

1177
01:04:14.039 --> 01:04:17.880
you and McGregor and uh, there is a there is

1178
01:04:18.000 --> 01:04:22.880
just an absolute scene with the song, Uh, it's such

1179
01:04:22.880 --> 01:04:26.679
a lovely day. That's that's that's going along with an

1180
01:04:27.239 --> 01:04:31.440
an overdose of heroin or whatever their drug of choice was.

1181
01:04:32.519 --> 01:04:34.719
And then the last film, just to kind of now

1182
01:04:34.760 --> 01:04:39.760
go from zombies to the drug users all the way

1183
01:04:39.760 --> 01:04:42.119
over to the other side of the world, you have

1184
01:04:42.199 --> 01:04:46.400
to do slum Dog Millionaire because that film, it ends

1185
01:04:46.480 --> 01:04:48.760
you're just feeling good, you know, you want to dance,

1186
01:04:48.800 --> 01:04:52.199
you know, with everyone else. And I I remember seeing

1187
01:04:52.239 --> 01:04:56.239
that that film as a part of a Academy Award

1188
01:04:56.280 --> 01:05:00.440
nomination package. It wasn't what I went in for, but

1189
01:05:00.519 --> 01:05:02.239
it turned out to be one of the films that

1190
01:05:02.280 --> 01:05:06.559
I enjoyed most that year that were nominated for Academy Awards.

1191
01:05:07.199 --> 01:05:09.159
Yeah, that one, that one blew me away. The first

1192
01:05:09.159 --> 01:05:11.039
time I saw it was that was the world's introduction

1193
01:05:11.119 --> 01:05:14.920
to Dev Patel and he's amazing. Yes, it was a

1194
01:05:15.159 --> 01:05:17.400
very textural film. I remember watching. It's like you just

1195
01:05:17.480 --> 01:05:19.239
kind of feel the sweat or you feel the dirt,

1196
01:05:19.280 --> 01:05:22.360
and then you feel the bright city and you feel

1197
01:05:22.400 --> 01:05:24.559
that like the slums, and it was just it's so good.

1198
01:05:24.559 --> 01:05:26.159
That one sticks with you like I feel like you

1199
01:05:26.199 --> 01:05:28.760
feel that one for a while after you all right, Well,

1200
01:05:28.760 --> 01:05:30.559
I'm gonna I'm gonna tweak that list a little bit.

1201
01:05:30.679 --> 01:05:33.599
We've already talked about Sunshine, so I'm not gonna write.

1202
01:05:33.679 --> 01:05:35.440
If we hadn't just spent an hour talking about it,

1203
01:05:35.440 --> 01:05:37.000
I would say that's number one on my list, because

1204
01:05:37.079 --> 01:05:40.760
I do think it's his most underrated classic. But I'm

1205
01:05:40.760 --> 01:05:43.280
gonna say one hundred and twenty seven hours. I'm a

1206
01:05:43.280 --> 01:05:47.079
big hiker. I love that southern Utah southwest area. I

1207
01:05:47.119 --> 01:05:51.880
specifically remember my grandfather who I loved hiking with. He

1208
01:05:52.599 --> 01:05:54.440
would he told me the story of Aaron Ralston. He

1209
01:05:54.440 --> 01:05:55.960
called me, he was like, did you hear about this guy?

1210
01:05:57.000 --> 01:05:59.480
And so I was so fascinated and I was really nervous.

1211
01:05:59.480 --> 01:06:02.000
I was like, how do you make that into like

1212
01:06:02.400 --> 01:06:05.039
a full length movie? And he's stuck, He's stuck in

1213
01:06:05.159 --> 01:06:07.039
rock Like it's an amazing story, but how do you

1214
01:06:07.079 --> 01:06:08.679
make that into a movie? And the way he did it,

1215
01:06:09.519 --> 01:06:12.320
the realism he captured, and he said something to the

1216
01:06:12.320 --> 01:06:17.880
effect of, you know, technical factual accuracy is important to

1217
01:06:18.000 --> 01:06:20.800
a point, but sometimes tweaking the story actually makes it

1218
01:06:20.840 --> 01:06:24.119
more real and he worked really closely with Aaron Ralston

1219
01:06:24.519 --> 01:06:27.599
making this film that they actually had Aaron's like footage

1220
01:06:27.639 --> 01:06:30.880
of himself and everything, and he say, you know, listening

1221
01:06:30.920 --> 01:06:32.760
to him talk about I want this to be accurate,

1222
01:06:33.440 --> 01:06:35.119
but I do want to make some changes to make

1223
01:06:35.159 --> 01:06:37.719
it more true. And I think that's a really cool

1224
01:06:37.760 --> 01:06:42.239
concept that he nailed. Next what it's going to say yesterday,

1225
01:06:42.400 --> 01:06:44.920
Mostly because again I think people you hear Danny Boyle,

1226
01:06:44.960 --> 01:06:47.360
you think, twenty eight days later, you think these really

1227
01:06:47.559 --> 01:06:51.039
some dog, these really intense movies, and then the reaction

1228
01:06:51.119 --> 01:06:53.079
you made when you realize he was I'm still.

1229
01:06:52.920 --> 01:06:55.679
Blown I'm still blown away. I'm stunned by this. Yeah,

1230
01:06:55.719 --> 01:06:56.800
And I love that movie.

1231
01:06:56.840 --> 01:06:59.719
It's it's it's got some romantic comedy energy, it's got

1232
01:06:59.719 --> 01:07:03.039
some musical energy, and it's just it's it's happy. It's

1233
01:07:03.039 --> 01:07:04.360
a very joyful movie.

1234
01:07:04.920 --> 01:07:09.079
It has time travel. It's time travel, well not time travel,

1235
01:07:09.119 --> 01:07:12.199
but alternate reality kind of thing. It's it's it's my

1236
01:07:12.480 --> 01:07:15.440
it's it's something that I just I love this concept.

1237
01:07:15.480 --> 01:07:20.639
And I remember somebody uh showing me the trailer and

1238
01:07:20.719 --> 01:07:23.639
I'm talking to my boss about it, and my boss

1239
01:07:23.719 --> 01:07:30.119
realizes that my beatles knowledge is no good, it's not

1240
01:07:30.440 --> 01:07:35.880
I mean death Dave. I'm sorry. I have since reconciled that.

1241
01:07:36.079 --> 01:07:40.440
Thank you to Apples and Oranges podcast. But at the time,

1242
01:07:40.639 --> 01:07:43.400
I was, I was a new but I didn't even know.

1243
01:07:44.079 --> 01:07:46.400
I couldn't tell you what a yellow submarine or a

1244
01:07:46.480 --> 01:07:49.679
rubber shoe, which which one was different? So I mean,

1245
01:07:49.679 --> 01:07:51.840
I was, I was. I was terrible at the time.

1246
01:07:51.920 --> 01:07:55.119
But I love their songs, the ones that I know of,

1247
01:07:55.239 --> 01:07:58.320
and I just I loved this movie a lot. And

1248
01:07:58.360 --> 01:08:00.360
you know, I'm sitting here looking at the list.

1249
01:08:00.400 --> 01:08:02.599
You know, I said one hundred and twenty seven seven

1250
01:08:02.639 --> 01:08:05.440
hours and yesterday, I'm going to give it sunshine.

1251
01:08:05.440 --> 01:08:05.880
I have to.

1252
01:08:06.320 --> 01:08:09.400
I think it's it's it sticks with me. I think

1253
01:08:09.400 --> 01:08:13.280
about it a lot. It's got this bleakness mixed with

1254
01:08:13.400 --> 01:08:16.079
hope that is is really cool, and I think it's

1255
01:08:16.159 --> 01:08:19.119
indicative of really good sci fi, which kind of has

1256
01:08:19.159 --> 01:08:22.840
those philosophical and emotional tales told in a very strange setting.

1257
01:08:24.960 --> 01:08:29.439
The bleakness feels very intentional, and it makes the hope

1258
01:08:29.560 --> 01:08:31.960
kind of shine like there's actually a really good quote.

1259
01:08:33.199 --> 01:08:36.880
So when talking about the Icarus, uh, that's the name

1260
01:08:36.920 --> 01:08:39.720
of the ship, and as you pointed, out Itchris is

1261
01:08:39.720 --> 01:08:42.000
a kind of a silly name if you're flying to

1262
01:08:42.119 --> 01:08:45.800
the sun a Chris's story didn't end great with the sun.

1263
01:08:46.600 --> 01:08:47.000
Uh.

1264
01:08:47.039 --> 01:08:49.199
And when talking about that, he said, yeah, I did

1265
01:08:49.199 --> 01:08:51.800
that very intentionally because I wanted it to feel bleak.

1266
01:08:52.760 --> 01:08:56.359
I wanted it to feel doomed. He said, you know,

1267
01:08:56.399 --> 01:08:58.279
if this was an American ship, they would have they

1268
01:08:58.319 --> 01:09:00.560
would have called it something optimistic, like the Spirit of

1269
01:09:00.560 --> 01:09:03.720
Hope or the Ship of Destiny. They would sacrifice all

1270
01:09:03.760 --> 01:09:07.399
plausibility because that would be hope. And he specifically didn't

1271
01:09:07.399 --> 01:09:09.199
want that. And I just think that's that's such a

1272
01:09:09.199 --> 01:09:11.920
cool choice. And so I don't think he's ever going

1273
01:09:11.960 --> 01:09:14.119
to do another sci fi. He's bigificly said, I don't

1274
01:09:14.119 --> 01:09:16.399
want to work in space again. That was exhausting spiritually

1275
01:09:16.399 --> 01:09:19.319
and physically. So we're not going to get more Danny

1276
01:09:19.319 --> 01:09:20.720
Boyle sci fi. So I was going to say, so

1277
01:09:20.760 --> 01:09:22.159
we're not going to get our alien, are we?

1278
01:09:23.079 --> 01:09:24.520
Unfortunately probably not.

1279
01:09:25.039 --> 01:09:27.239
He has set on many occasions he does not want

1280
01:09:27.239 --> 01:09:29.680
to dip his toe back into that because he was

1281
01:09:29.680 --> 01:09:30.439
really scared of it.

1282
01:09:31.119 --> 01:09:34.199
He's not he did it, but it was too much. Well, hey,

1283
01:09:35.119 --> 01:09:38.279
if this is the science fiction film that we got

1284
01:09:38.359 --> 01:09:43.560
from Danny Boyle. When you approach this film, you're either

1285
01:09:43.680 --> 01:09:48.520
going to accept the third act or you're just going

1286
01:09:48.600 --> 01:09:51.720
to turn away from it, or you're going to embrace

1287
01:09:51.760 --> 01:09:54.720
it and see that this is the logical ending of

1288
01:09:54.920 --> 01:09:58.119
how this was supposed to end. And depending on where

1289
01:09:58.159 --> 01:10:01.680
you fall in on that is is going to really

1290
01:10:01.800 --> 01:10:05.880
drive how you like this film. But technically the movie

1291
01:10:06.039 --> 01:10:12.720
is just really I would say, flawless, And this is

1292
01:10:12.760 --> 01:10:14.840
a film that you know, I'm not sure I went

1293
01:10:14.920 --> 01:10:17.119
to go look and buy it on physical media. That's

1294
01:10:17.119 --> 01:10:19.800
my highest compliment, is like once I've I've rented it

1295
01:10:20.600 --> 01:10:22.840
and I want to own it, but it wasn't in

1296
01:10:22.920 --> 01:10:24.840
four K yet, so I don't know if I want

1297
01:10:24.840 --> 01:10:26.520
to if I want if I'm holding out for the

1298
01:10:26.600 --> 01:10:30.119
four K for this, I I've looked, I can't find it.

1299
01:10:30.520 --> 01:10:32.520
You might be you might have to bite the bullet

1300
01:10:32.600 --> 01:10:35.520
because yeah, this movie didn't do well financially. But that

1301
01:10:35.720 --> 01:10:37.640
kind of answered my next question. I was going to say,

1302
01:10:37.640 --> 01:10:40.159
what do you recommend this? Yeah, so how do you

1303
01:10:40.159 --> 01:10:40.520
watch it?

1304
01:10:40.960 --> 01:10:44.560
Yeah? Uh uh, you know, I can't remember which which

1305
01:10:44.560 --> 01:10:46.399
streaming thing I had it on. I think I might

1306
01:10:46.479 --> 01:10:49.920
even purchased it off of a Prime or one of

1307
01:10:49.920 --> 01:10:50.880
those to watch it.

1308
01:10:51.680 --> 01:10:53.520
Yeah, I if you want to watch online, you do

1309
01:10:53.600 --> 01:10:55.399
have to pay for it. I couldn't find it for

1310
01:10:55.439 --> 01:10:57.760
free anywhere, thankfully. I do have the DVD of it,

1311
01:10:57.880 --> 01:11:02.199
not four K unfortunately, but I highly recommend it. If

1312
01:11:02.199 --> 01:11:04.760
you're a sci fi fan, it's definitely worth a buy.

1313
01:11:05.960 --> 01:11:08.319
You can find it streaming. You can purchase it on

1314
01:11:08.359 --> 01:11:11.680
Amazon or Apple TV, but as far as I know,

1315
01:11:11.720 --> 01:11:15.600
it's not streaming for you anywhere now. So listeners, let

1316
01:11:15.720 --> 01:11:17.600
us know if you've seen this movie, let us know

1317
01:11:17.640 --> 01:11:20.039
what you think. Feel free to reach out to us.

1318
01:11:20.680 --> 01:11:24.840
You can find us anywhere on social media on Facebook,

1319
01:11:24.920 --> 01:11:27.520
Instagram X if you want to call it that, I

1320
01:11:27.600 --> 01:11:30.600
still say Twitter. You could find us at a film

1321
01:11:30.600 --> 01:11:32.079
buy and let.

1322
01:11:32.039 --> 01:11:32.600
Us know what you think.

1323
01:11:32.680 --> 01:11:33.920
Let us know what you think of a third act

1324
01:11:33.960 --> 01:11:36.600
of what Danny Boyle had to say about it, what

1325
01:11:36.680 --> 01:11:40.000
he did about it, and if you recommend this. You

1326
01:11:40.000 --> 01:11:42.359
can stay up to date with all of our great podcasts.

1327
01:11:42.359 --> 01:11:45.119
At a film by podcast dot com. You can find

1328
01:11:45.159 --> 01:11:48.840
all sorts of great stuff, including articles, other series like

1329
01:11:48.880 --> 01:11:51.960
a Film at forty five or Phasers Set to Stunt,

1330
01:11:52.039 --> 01:11:54.319
which Chuck, I know you've been on in the past,

1331
01:11:54.359 --> 01:11:57.560
you guys discussed First Contact, which is a great episode

1332
01:11:57.600 --> 01:11:59.920
and a great movie, and I believe they're having you

1333
01:11:59.920 --> 01:12:01.800
again because it was just it was a lot of fun.

1334
01:12:01.800 --> 01:12:04.640
I really enjoyed listening to you guys. Next week you

1335
01:12:04.680 --> 01:12:07.039
can find us here where Amber Lewis is going to

1336
01:12:07.119 --> 01:12:11.720
be talking about Michael Crichton's Runaway. Yeah, I'm excited about

1337
01:12:11.760 --> 01:12:13.720
that one. I always loved listening to Amber. She's always

1338
01:12:13.760 --> 01:12:16.359
got a fun take on things. You can also write

1339
01:12:16.359 --> 01:12:19.319
to us at a film by podcast at gmail dot com.

1340
01:12:20.119 --> 01:12:22.039
And you can always also find us on Patreon where

1341
01:12:22.039 --> 01:12:25.279
you can hear more of my sultry voice, where Jeff

1342
01:12:25.279 --> 01:12:27.359
and I do our ten for two. We get to

1343
01:12:27.359 --> 01:12:30.760
discuss fun little scenes for ten minutes. Absolutely one of

1344
01:12:30.840 --> 01:12:32.880
my favorite things to do. We've got some really good

1345
01:12:32.880 --> 01:12:35.720
ones in the works. And you can find more of

1346
01:12:35.800 --> 01:12:39.439
Chuck as he guested on what episode was that you

1347
01:12:39.479 --> 01:12:42.680
were on right on the Patreon.

1348
01:12:43.560 --> 01:12:47.279
Oh, that was with Deadly Friend with my new friend

1349
01:12:47.319 --> 01:12:50.199
Amanda jannick Fit.

1350
01:12:50.359 --> 01:12:54.039
Yeah, you can listen to Chuck with Deadly Friend on

1351
01:12:54.079 --> 01:12:57.640
the Patreon as well. And Chuck, what can we expect

1352
01:12:57.680 --> 01:12:59.279
to hear from you in the future? I know you've

1353
01:12:59.319 --> 01:13:01.079
got your your new podcast. I just listened to the

1354
01:13:01.079 --> 01:13:04.000
French Connection episode knocked it out of the park. I'm

1355
01:13:04.039 --> 01:13:05.680
really excited to see what you guys on coming up.

1356
01:13:06.039 --> 01:13:10.199
Thank you. Yeah. So we're Matt and I are my partner.

1357
01:13:10.279 --> 01:13:13.600
We're just starting off. This is we did our first

1358
01:13:14.560 --> 01:13:18.319
our first episode with a French Connection. As you said,

1359
01:13:19.079 --> 01:13:21.880
this Saturday. We're getting together and we're going to go

1360
01:13:21.960 --> 01:13:25.319
from nineteen seventy one and we're going to dial the

1361
01:13:25.359 --> 01:13:28.479
wayback machine a little bit later in the decade to

1362
01:13:28.560 --> 01:13:33.640
nineteen seventy nine, and we're going to watch Breaking Away,

1363
01:13:34.039 --> 01:13:38.640
which is for me, an introduction, introductory movie to a

1364
01:13:38.720 --> 01:13:41.239
lot of actors who went on to be very famous.

1365
01:13:42.199 --> 01:13:45.319
So I hope everyone will join us. You can find

1366
01:13:45.399 --> 01:13:51.039
us on all the major streaming podcast platforms, and we're

1367
01:13:51.079 --> 01:13:56.520
on Facebook at Cinematic Flashback and you can connect with

1368
01:13:56.600 --> 01:13:57.000
us there.

1369
01:13:57.880 --> 01:14:00.880
I'm excited. I'll tell you just one episode in, I

1370
01:14:00.920 --> 01:14:03.039
was really impressed with you guys. It sounds like you've

1371
01:14:03.039 --> 01:14:04.880
been doing this for a while. You got a great banter,

1372
01:14:05.000 --> 01:14:08.840
great ma's got a great voice for podcast. Oh yeah, yeah,

1373
01:14:08.920 --> 01:14:10.760
So I'm excited to hear what you guys got in store,

1374
01:14:11.800 --> 01:14:14.560
But thank you for listening, thank you for putting up

1375
01:14:14.600 --> 01:14:17.920
with me hosting my first episode, and to all of

1376
01:14:17.920 --> 01:14:21.760
you out there, thanks for listening. Remember we are only stardust.