Drawn Into Lower Decks: recapping The Inner Fight with it's Director Brandon Williams

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Mariner boiler Starfleet is better with you
in it. I know, way man,

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I had your bag wrong. Yeah, I thought you were like a

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boring worker drone and you are.
It's a sort of unfair. Hello everyone,

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Welcome back to Drawn into Lower Decks
on a limited series from a film

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by a podcast that focus is on
the animated comedy Star Trek Lower Decks.

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This week, we're getting ready for
the season finale with an animated discussion about

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the latest epic mission of the USS
soritos So Red Alert listeners. Spoilers are

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ahead for the previous episode. If
you haven't seen the latest episode, please

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go watch it before you hear what
we have to say. As usual,

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I'm Scott Hoffmann. Oh, I
got stick to my boots. Oh I'm

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sorry. This is David Burns,
Holy Cow coming back. And I'm Wayne

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Whited. Yeah, and obviously,
finally thanks to doctor Julian Bisheer's efforts to

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set him free from section thirty one, David Burns, welcome back, my

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friend. Thank you. It's good
to be ben. I appreciate it.

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Yeah, and this week we've also
got an exciting treat for you Lower Deckers.

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Joining us today is the director of
the latest episode, Brandon Williams.

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Brandon, thank you so much for
giving me some time today. Thanks for

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having me. Really appreciate it absolutely. I want to start off by talking

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about your career in Star Trek and
Beyond, if you don't mind, Brandon,

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So, you're an experienced storyboard artist
who's worked on an animated Moral Kombat

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movie, comedy series, Little Demon
and Solar Opposites, and of course several

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episodes we've already talked about in lower
decks. So with this season being your

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debut as a director, with these
three outstanding episodes, what can you tell

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us about moving from storyboard artist to
director. I think the biggest change was

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the amount of drawing that I would
do. Our producer, Barry Kelly,

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he's our supervising producer and I think
he's one of the EPs on the show

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now. He sort of tried to
talk me out of it in the interview.

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He was like, Hey, you
know, you're not going to be

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drawing that much. So he's like, if you want a draw you should

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just stay story artists. I was
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it was. It was cool because
we were already in like we knew each

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other. It was very informal,
like I did an interview for it,

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but they had basically already offered the
position to me because I'd been on the

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show for a little while. And
what I would do every time I left

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any show at the end of the
season or whatever as a storyboard artist,

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I would I would give my little
goodbye email and I would put hey would

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love to come back next season director
spot opens up, you know, would

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love to do that. And everywhere
I would you know, whether it was

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you know, Solar Opposites or Lower
Decks or any of the shows I'd work

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on, and then Lower Decks is
just the one that it happened to work

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out. And we were actually they
were talking about bringing me back on as

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a storyboard artist and I was working
on that and I was like, cool,

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this is going to be great season
four storyboards. And then they're like,

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actually, do you want to direct? And I was like, hell

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yeah. So I was very excited
to do that. It was It was

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very cool and I feel very lucky
that that's the show that I got to

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make that leap on, So that
was exciting. I got a I got

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a twofold question here for you,
So any thoughts about maybe moving into directing

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live action or you want to stick
with animation. Yeah, I think I'm

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animation to the to the core man, that's it, because I've thought,

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you know, I've thought about it. Of course, I think everyone thinks

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about it. And it's not like
I would say no. If somebody like

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offered me that up on a silver
platter, I'd be like, sure,

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let's do it. I've got thoughts
and how things work. But I think

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because it doesn't really work that way, you have to really go out and

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get it. Especially in live action, you sort of have to put things

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together. What I'd actually like to
try and do is put together more projects

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the way they put together live action
films, right, how people go out

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and they're like, get investor money
and all that and put together. I

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would love to do that with animation
a little bit more now that it's becoming

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more possible to make animation for less
and you can kind of pull talent from

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all over the world and it's a
little bit less like you have to have,

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you know, the whole system in
place in one place like it used

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to be. So Yeah, I
love animation. I'm here for animation,

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Liace, don't I don't blame you. It's animation is awesome, It really

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is. Yeah, you do a
great job with it. So my second

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part of the question is, you
know, I love to create, and

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I have a process that I go
through, you know, when I'm you

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know, creating storyboards or creating something. What does your process look like when

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you come to like directing, for
instance, you this is your first season

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of doing that. What does that
look like for you on a daily basis?

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So the process of directing very different
from storyboarding, of course, even

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though a lot of times we say
that storyboard artists are kind of the first

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directors, Like it's your first chance
to take a script from words to images,

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right, So you sort of direct
a scene, you know, you

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do you get you get all these
parts, you know, ship designed,

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so that not everything though you don't
always have everything. So as a storyboard

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arts you sort of have to You
might have to like make stuff up or

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with Star Trek, which is awesome
as well. You just go into the

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big cannon like you have all the
books, like you have all the ship

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books, the shipyards, the you
know, and then you start looking through

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it and be like what do I
need to understand? Like how does this

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technology work? So that's helpful.
That's like the great thing about working in

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the Star Trek world. But like, so as a director, it's more

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you have to sort of you're organizing
the entire episode and then you're casting the

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parts. Like that's like a weird
thing about directing an animation because your storyboard

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artists are like actors and cinematographers and
editors like the first pass of all that.

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So you sort of like you look
at you know, hopefully you know

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your team. And I and I
had some of the same team from that

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I worked with as a storyboard arist, so I kind of knew some of

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the people and I go, Okay, I think this person's a good action

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person. So like, like one
of the board artists is Brandon McKinney,

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so like we have the two brands
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great action board artist. He's worked
on a lot of DC stuff and like

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Harley Quinn in between, and we
work together on Solar opposites and so I

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always I'm like, okay, so
if I have an action scene, I

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can give it to him and who
and then like you have another artist,

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You're like, oh, we have
the emotional scene, so I'll give the

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emotional scene and obviously we'll get to
it. Everyone took a pass on the

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cave emotional scene, so that one
was like a whole all hands on deck

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effort. But usually you try and
cast it and then you know, like

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I will admit, like to some
extent, you're a middle manager as a

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director in TV animation or in just
TV in general, Like I have things

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that I want to accomplish with each
episode I have. You know, you

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have the script and you're like,
Okay, I'm going to like lead.

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This is what's important to me,
So I'm going to try and get this

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in there. But you know,
Barry has like, hey, we need

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this and we need that, and
of course Mike comes in and does his

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pass on everything. So I'm more
there to like support the storyboard artists and

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the team, get everyone like wrangle
everything and then like bring the episode into

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a coherent vision, right because Mike
McMahon and Berry and Brad and all they're

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looking at everything all the time,
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one episode. So I have to
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we getting the story right? Like
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something will work really well in the
script and I'll read it and be like,

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oh, this is great. Everything
makes sense, right, and then

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you start boarding it out and you're
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the fruit, it doesn't We didn't
really it doesn't seem like they're fighting over

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the fruit. So we have to
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or we will find like visual elements
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have like a lot of sci fi
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is like half real, it's half
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like visually like make sure we're understanding
everything. So that's kind of like where

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I come in mostly is like bringing
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matches what you know, Barry and
Mike and everyone and we're all trying to

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do with the show. So like
each director is like you make sure that

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all those pieces are working in place, and you just make you know,

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like shit happens all the time,
right, like board artists misses the mark

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on that one or they get sick
and like and then I come in and

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take over and like for the episode
that we're going to talk about for four

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h nine, Like I boarded the
beginning because I wanted a little piece of

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it. Like when you get a
really good episode, you're like, I

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want a piece of it. I
did a piece on five or four oh

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three also, but the one in
the middle of the Feengi episode was like,

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that's when things are too crazy,
because like, as a director,

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I'm actually managing all three episodes at
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you can't quite get your hands on
it on all the episodes, but usually

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the first and the last one,
I'm like, I'll take a couple of

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pages, and Barry's always like,
are you sure. He's like, you're

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sure, it's busy. I'm like, yes, I want. I want

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to draw these little acid creatures creatures. So that's I mean, and yeah,

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So that's kind of the approach you
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I do. You're asking more about
the actual approach, and that is like

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it's it's all about finding the story, like casting the story, organizing the

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story, whereas a board artist is
a little bit different storybard artists, it's

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a little more like bringing it down
into phases and asking yourself questions all the

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time, like what is this person
feeling right now in this scene or that

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scene? Like or and not just
doing what the script tells you to do,

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but like, what's the subtext of
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Oh, it's a Mariner's saying this, but I have a feeling what

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she really feels is something else,
And like it's up to me, like

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how do I like put that onto
the screen? Like how do I suggest

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that with with how I'm making her
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scene and all that. So that
that's kind of like that process a little

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bit great, thank you. Yeah. Yeah, And there's there's so much

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complexity with this show because you have, aside from you know, everything that's

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connected within the season, it's the
little details, the easter eggs and you

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know, all the things that are
that are yet to come. Uh,

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and it all just comes together seamlessly. I mean, at least from our

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perspective, it looks like it's absolutely
seamless. So it's it's coming together really

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really well. Yeah, thank you. You know, do you know that

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you remember the episode the buffer time
episode in season one? What one is

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that called? Oh? Yeah,
where they have to yeah they try to

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be more economical. Yeah, yeah, and it's with the crystal guys right,

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Yeah, like attacking the ship and
everything. I can't remember it off

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the top of my head or now, but that's kind of how it feels

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like making the show. Like we're
all running around like and then like thankfully

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it comes out and it's like it
looks like we did, but I mean,

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stuff is changing and happening all the
way up until those like they have

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to do the delivery, and the
delivery is like a few weeks before the

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episode airs, but like like basically
like once you pass a certain threshold,

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like oh, we can no longer
change like this, it'll be yeah,

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but can we can we tweet the
line? Can we bring the actor back

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in and like change like they It's
just like it's the scramble, Like we

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make it look like we aren't scrambling
around, but it is kind of red

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alert all the time, like you
like making this show. So what we're

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seeing is just the exterior the soritos, but inside it's people are running around,

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things are sparking and smoking and crazy
and alcohol is flying everywhere exactly.

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There's like black fungus on the walls. Yeah, you're like phasering a virus

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while also trying to like fix something
in engineering. That's how I feel right

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now for sure, because I'm just
in the busiest part. Like there's like

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a little there's different parts throughout a
season where you're busier and less busier,

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and I'm in that like extreme Like
I think I've got one hand on a

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phaser, like shooting some invader like
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like the gravity or something like that. It's crazy, some kind of conduit

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or something. Yeah, yeah,
there's always a conduit, and I'll shine

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a light on it. Well,
just for context, I'll shed some light

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on what the interfight was all about. Give a little synopsis here. So

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we're closer than ever to solving the
season mystery about who's been stealing ships and

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crews throughout the Quadrant. But Mariner's
self destructive behavior has Captain Freeman worried about

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her daughter's well being, and she
sends Mariner, Tendy Boimler and to Lynn

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on what seems to be a safe
mission, while Rutherford joins Freeman in shacks

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on away team that's searching for some
missing notable Federation citizens. I thought it

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was a thrilling episode that leaves reveals
a lot, a lot more than we

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ever thought it would, but it
still leaves with a bit of an ominous

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cliffhanger. So written by Mike McMahon
and Ben m Waller and directed by our

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guest Brandon Williams. So Brandon,
it's easy to tell there's a lot of

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love for Star Trek in the show, especially from Mike the show creator.

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And I know you two have worked
together on Solar Opposites before, which is

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a slightly different kind of comedy.
I'm wondering how those experiences compare between the

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two. So Solar is more you're
serving, like you're serving the jokes and

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like the heart of the show,
because there's a heart in Solar, Like

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it comes off as being like,
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a typical adult family sitcom and we're
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to it the family and they're growing. And I think the biggest challenge on

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stuff and like gags and like make
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stakes are more about like making it
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trying to be like making sure we're
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you have to serve the comedy unless
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was different because you had to really
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that was very similar Lower Decks.
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the references and whatnot. But I
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own that you're trying to make sure
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the characters and all that. So
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they have and you have to just
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serve the comedy and the moment,
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a legacy that like you feel lucky
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to make sure that you're doing the
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and like serve that legacy that is
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it's just it's brilliant. Yeah,
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awesome. And we really try,
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trying to consider that right, like
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like story skills and all that,
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like trying to work that stuff out
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because sometimes, you know, not
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fan, right, Or they might
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right, Like maybe they're like Deep
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all about Deep Space nine. That
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referencing Voyager stuff, and like,
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references. But like, like for
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that that can like help, you
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you know, I mean, I
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little like the putting in the references
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layer cake that everyone gets their little
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and put stuff in there, and
then designers will try and put stuff in

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there, you know, and then
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maybe we can, and you know
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look like you know, Spock in
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of trying to get their little Trek
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it so well that the Beverly Crusher
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me how to tap, teach me
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have a that's funny you mentioned that
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it didn't exist really, and that
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you mentioned every pressure earlier in the
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so like it's it stayed, and
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like I laughed every single time when
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when I was watching it. You
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Gates McFadden, she's done so much
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see her choreographing the thing. I'm
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Crusher. You got the dance traffic
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made me cringe the whole time because
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didn't really like try like you know, you know when you scratch something and

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up Jack like on the on the
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for the episode, and then they
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me say this dumb little line where
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learned my lesson. Now if I
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like go for it, like go
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actor, but like it's going to
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now so many people are gonna see
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like you work with temp stuff for
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they were pulling together posts like until
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like that. So many people like
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like lots of other scratch too.
There's all sorts of people scratching stuff and

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sometimes we even have Mike doing it, which is always fun, but it's

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just embarrassing. It's obvious that you're
you're a fan of Star Trek. What's

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some of your favorite series and episodes? I think the heart that's the hardest

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question, right, Like what's your
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I'm always torn. I kind of
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nice and then this week. Yeah, we could get into a whole thing

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and and all that, because like
it just goes back and forth. But

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we're talking like the difference between like
like ninety eight percent and a ninety nine

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percent right, But yeah, but
I think ultimately what puts it over the

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top for TNG with me is the
hopefulness of it. Like it's true,

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like it really I mean obviously,
like once they get rolling, it gets

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really pulpy and fun, and they
obviously have all sorts of cool episodes and

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whatnot, but but at its core, Next Generation I think is the most

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hopeful about humanity's future. Right,
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like, well, how does the
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and you know, the Frangie and

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so it's hard because like and jed
Zia is like great, but I think,

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like I think I like the hopefulness
of and TG sticks that landing that

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the season finale is like one of
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you're a little it can be a little

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rough. Sometimes there's bright spots in
it, but you're like, yeah,

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all right, some of it's not
their fault. Some of it's like the

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nature like stuff happens, right,
like in production like people leave or whatever,

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and now you have to make choices
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It's got the diplomacy. Diplomacy is
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fighting, and I think that that
is like so rare, you know.

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I mean they make it action packed
and exciting. Of course you have to

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have an assassination in a prison,
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yeah, and and negotiating with like
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and it's just so rare and not
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conflict that way. So it's really
like the best of Star Trek at

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its core. And then there's of
course all the fun stuff, you know,

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gravity boots and all that. I
could see a lot. I can

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see a lot of love for for
Star Trek six in this one, because

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there was so much pink, bloody
trapping. When my kind of rears up

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his head, I'm like, oh
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six. Also Star Trek five.
Unfortunately, now you have to watch Star

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Trek five two yeah, because we
did a lot of the bar and the

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desert stuff was very like the bait, like a Spock's brother. He has

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the bass, right and they do
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horses and all of that. Like
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felt that's what I was drawing from
when I was doing that section of it,

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because I didn't want to be two
Star Wars, right, that's always

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the challenge. But when you look
at everything, you're like, oh,

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well, anything Star Wars has done, there's kind of a Star Trek version

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somehow, Like there's been so much
because because everyone just wants to do sci

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fi, Like Bonnie Hunters are just
a sci fi thing, right, Like

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we all want to do Bonnie Hunters. But like once you do Bonnie Hunters,

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you're like, oh, we're fucking
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for it. So I was like, well, yeah, Star Trek five

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has the commune in the desert and
all it's perfect. That was our reference

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for a while, or like that
was my like when I go to look

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for like the visual language, it's
also really well composed movie. Like they

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might have its flaws in terms of
the whole thing, but I actually think

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like a lot of the scenes are
really good, oh just too many of

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I do have to go back and watch

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it because I know that Strange New
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bit of a teaser with Spock's brother. It didn't necessarily go anywhere, but

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yeah, that's just this show does
such a great job as kind of this

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nexus of Star Trek. You know, it can it can make you We've

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talked about this tons of times on
the show, but it will make you

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have nostalgia and want to go back
and watch things you've loved before. It'll

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make you want to go explore new
things, Like there's parts of Voyager that

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I've never thought about looking at that
I've explored because of this show. And

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you know talked about Next Generation. This

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feels like a spiritual sequel of sorting
this kind of unfinished trilogy when you've got

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the first Duty where they're introducing Nick
and Seido and the Lower Decks episode where

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we see CDO's kind of redemption or
growth as a sort, and this kind

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of continues on from that. It
was a very clever pull and I know

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that I've heard Mike McMahon talk about, you know, kind of swinging wide,

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swinging for the fence with this one, and I think it's paying off

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because I had to immediately go and
watch those those episodes and then also connecting

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to dsntle Like you said, the
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a are in Yoda's house. At
least, that's what I made me think

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of, where she talked about the
dominion War and kind of the too the

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two ends of those series. It
was very interesting. Yeah, I was.

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I was actually very scared when I
read that script because I was like,

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if we pull this off, which
I think we did, I was

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like, where are we going to
go from here? It's so good and

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like somehow, you know, the
show keeps going and it keeps it It

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just keeps getting better, and I
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feeling. I was like, this feels

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like the end of Mariner's arc.
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and I was like, actually,
wait, this is the beginning of

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it. Yeah, like she's she's
she's facing this for the first time,

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like what what her inner struggle?
Obviously that's episode right in her fight,

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she's kind of facing it for the
first time. And I think like in

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narrative, once you face your like
inner demon, you tend to it tends

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to be over right, and you
move forward. But in life, that's

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not how life works. We have
to face our inner demons our fears multiple

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times, you know, even if
you even if it's not as extreme as

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you know what like losing a friend
in war or whatnot, which is very

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sad, but like it's like you
might come to a revelation or maybe you

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get therapy or maybe whatever it is, but like that's still work, Like

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you still have to keep moving forward. And I think that, like,

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you know, I'm kind of hoping
as we go forward that like Mariner has

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to sort of reface that challenge with
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to get there, to really to
really drive that home where I feel like

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like mental health and personal struggle isn't
a a one punch like knockout kind of

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victory. And I think that like
we I really hope we can explore that

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side of it, because that's one
thing I think Lower Dex is doing pretty

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good at is like those personal struggles
that the characters have is and overcoming them

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and then you know it's it's tough, like you might overcome a doubt,

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but like it comes back again.
Yeah, so that's cave. Yeah,

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I would say the cave is it's
frozen lava. It's like that. That's

408
00:27:11.640 --> 00:27:18.400
a little background is it were these
it's these frozen lava bubbles we had.

409
00:27:18.480 --> 00:27:22.079
We had a scene with more of
them that we we couldn't we couldn't keep

410
00:27:22.200 --> 00:27:23.920
just because you know, the episode
is packed as it is, but yeah,

411
00:27:23.960 --> 00:27:26.160
the whole thing is like it's part
of that like rain and you know

412
00:27:26.200 --> 00:27:33.400
there's the ice rain ice like shards. Yeah, so that's from the volcanic

413
00:27:33.519 --> 00:27:37.680
like emission creates that in the atmosphere
and then all the all the lava that

414
00:27:37.759 --> 00:27:41.000
gets spewed out in different places,
like it freezes over into those bubble case.

415
00:27:41.039 --> 00:27:45.240
It was really cool. This episode
has so many coolnt even get to,

416
00:27:45.359 --> 00:27:48.160
like, you know, we didn't
get to serve that in the episode

417
00:27:48.160 --> 00:27:51.359
because we had, you know,
important characters, but there's some nerdy,

418
00:27:51.440 --> 00:27:55.599
you know background that's awesome. You
know what I was gonna say is the

419
00:27:55.599 --> 00:28:00.160
the the whole cave scene just really
cut me by surprise just how deep that

420
00:28:00.480 --> 00:28:04.559
turned out to be in what she
explained to us of what was causing her,

421
00:28:04.640 --> 00:28:07.599
you know, and have her outbursts
and stuff like that, but you

422
00:28:07.599 --> 00:28:11.559
know, to to feed on what
you're talking about. It's it's her growth

423
00:28:11.599 --> 00:28:15.480
now. You know, we're gonna
see her trajectory go somewhere else now because

424
00:28:15.640 --> 00:28:19.200
you know she's growing, you know, as an individual, and you know,

425
00:28:19.599 --> 00:28:23.200
at this time she'd been on an
instant what ten years is that sound

426
00:28:23.240 --> 00:28:29.079
about right? That's a really long
time to be an instant if you think

427
00:28:29.079 --> 00:28:32.880
about that. Yeah. So I
just thought that whole moment in that cave

428
00:28:33.160 --> 00:28:36.599
was just incredibly well done. So
please pack yourself on the back for that

429
00:28:36.640 --> 00:28:40.400
one, you and your team everybody, because when that scene was done,

430
00:28:40.440 --> 00:28:42.519
I was just like, Wow,
that was deep. That was awesome.

431
00:28:42.599 --> 00:28:45.640
So great job. Well, I'll
tell you too, it is a tough

432
00:28:45.720 --> 00:28:52.400
It was a really tough scene too, because you know, because I when

433
00:28:52.400 --> 00:28:52.839
I read it, I had the
same thought. I was like, Oh,

434
00:28:53.000 --> 00:28:56.200
I was like wow. I was
like I was like, Micro really

435
00:28:56.279 --> 00:28:57.759
knocked out of the park with this
one, because not only is it so

436
00:28:59.519 --> 00:29:03.079
amazing in its own right, the
way it connected to Soito and something like

437
00:29:03.160 --> 00:29:06.200
that. I was just like blown
away. I was like, oh,

438
00:29:06.279 --> 00:29:08.839
this is awesome, but it's a
scene you have to everyone has to sort

439
00:29:08.880 --> 00:29:12.079
of trust that it's gonna work,
especially in storyboards, right, because like

440
00:29:12.079 --> 00:29:15.240
we do a lot of poses,
a lot of drawings, but it's not

441
00:29:15.240 --> 00:29:18.960
the same as animation, right.
So Tawani came in and did an incredible

442
00:29:19.039 --> 00:29:22.720
voice performance, but all she has
is voice, right, so she's trusting

443
00:29:22.799 --> 00:29:26.240
us to like take her amazing performance. And like she came in and they

444
00:29:26.240 --> 00:29:30.880
did it a few times, and
she came in and did it. And

445
00:29:30.920 --> 00:29:34.359
then like like I said, my
storyboard artist did a pass on it was

446
00:29:34.440 --> 00:29:37.680
awesome. Like I did a pass
on it, Barry did a pass on

447
00:29:37.720 --> 00:29:41.599
it. Like we had revisionists going
in because it just was one of those

448
00:29:41.640 --> 00:29:44.960
scenes we had to get right and
every time you cut the camera it would

449
00:29:45.000 --> 00:29:48.400
change the emotion of the scene.
So we had to just and then like

450
00:29:48.000 --> 00:29:51.759
it was one of those things where
everyone along the way were like, it's

451
00:29:51.759 --> 00:29:53.880
gonna work in animation. You just
gotta trust us. It's gonna work.

452
00:29:55.000 --> 00:29:56.720
It's gonna work. And even Mike
was like, I know this is gonna

453
00:29:56.720 --> 00:29:59.720
work, but can we do this
and that? And I was like yeah,

454
00:29:59.799 --> 00:30:02.200
yeah, I was like we could
do it. And it was just

455
00:30:02.240 --> 00:30:03.880
like one we all had to put
a lot of faith that like, once

456
00:30:03.920 --> 00:30:07.359
it comes together, it's going to
work. But along the way, it

457
00:30:07.400 --> 00:30:12.799
was like a really tough scene to
get right. I'm sure it was.

458
00:30:14.680 --> 00:30:18.720
Yeah, that that entire sequence I
think is a credit to your work as

459
00:30:18.720 --> 00:30:21.319
a director, you know, like
you talked about before, trying to to

460
00:30:21.359 --> 00:30:25.200
wrangle all these different kind of elements
to take all these different influences and turn

461
00:30:25.279 --> 00:30:30.359
it into something that in that in
that kind of mini sequence, you're getting

462
00:30:30.400 --> 00:30:33.359
a lot of action, You're getting
a fair amount of comedy, You're getting

463
00:30:33.359 --> 00:30:37.680
a lot of emotional depth and expressiveness
that just comes through so well that you

464
00:30:37.720 --> 00:30:42.119
can just identify with with both of
the characters. And yeah, I mean

465
00:30:42.160 --> 00:30:49.160
I could even see some some wrestling
influences there and when they're fighting outside and

466
00:30:49.200 --> 00:30:52.000
I'm pretty sure he was like,
hey, this is my chance. I

467
00:30:52.000 --> 00:30:55.440
mean, Barry is really into wrestling
too, so like everyone is kind of

468
00:30:55.440 --> 00:30:59.599
putting it. You get with fight
scenes, everyone gets their chance to like

469
00:31:00.039 --> 00:31:03.240
cool stuff in there and put their
person because I usually do like anime stuff

470
00:31:03.559 --> 00:31:07.640
when I get a chance to do
that or like, so it's just fun

471
00:31:07.640 --> 00:31:11.319
to see everyone. I like that. At the end of that scene,

472
00:31:11.759 --> 00:31:15.000
something I really made sure to try
and keep is a little boop the nose

473
00:31:15.039 --> 00:31:18.000
at the end that Fabian did that. Oh yeah, that was like a

474
00:31:18.000 --> 00:31:22.440
great little It's like he's so Mariner, Like you said, we're friends.

475
00:31:22.480 --> 00:31:27.519
Bo that was awesome, especially do
a cling on You're like, oh my

476
00:31:27.559 --> 00:31:34.279
god, yeah we're friends. Now, no we're not. We are will

477
00:31:34.319 --> 00:31:38.480
not be booped. You said I
proved my to do. I said,

478
00:31:38.559 --> 00:31:44.720
humanity proved it to do. It's
so good. Yeah, that was definitely

479
00:31:44.720 --> 00:31:49.000
one of my favorite moments in the
episode. Absolutely. We talk a lot

480
00:31:49.039 --> 00:31:55.319
about deep cuts on this show and
how the series in general does a great

481
00:31:55.400 --> 00:31:59.240
job of taking you back to favorite
moments and making you want to dive into

482
00:31:59.279 --> 00:32:02.960
new things. Like I say before, how do how do those easter eggs

483
00:32:04.039 --> 00:32:07.319
kind of factor into your work both
as a storyboard artist and as director.

484
00:32:08.119 --> 00:32:12.920
Well, sometimes it's just like fun
that you're just trying to like get in

485
00:32:12.960 --> 00:32:15.559
there right, Like you're just like, oh, like nothing was specifically called

486
00:32:15.599 --> 00:32:21.039
out, but we're in the anomaly
storage room, right, and I'm like,

487
00:32:21.079 --> 00:32:24.440
what can I put in the anomaly
storage room? And it's like my

488
00:32:24.519 --> 00:32:27.440
chance, I was, like,
my chance to draw a bat let,

489
00:32:27.759 --> 00:32:30.039
you know, or whatever you know
it is to do so that the first

490
00:32:30.240 --> 00:32:34.359
I think go around of that.
It's just like a fun like what can

491
00:32:34.400 --> 00:32:36.960
I try and get in there?
But I think at the at the higher

492
00:32:37.079 --> 00:32:42.319
levels, like I know, like
story always comes first, so everyone's like

493
00:32:42.359 --> 00:32:45.240
we have to make sure that the
story's working first, and that like Lower

494
00:32:45.279 --> 00:32:47.759
Decks as its own. But that's
my little soapbox too. Is that Like

495
00:32:47.960 --> 00:32:52.359
as much as I love all the
references, I think Lower Decks has a

496
00:32:52.400 --> 00:32:54.799
lot to say and contribute. The
ceretras, in fact, I think is

497
00:32:54.799 --> 00:33:00.440
one of the great ships added to
the canon. It is then they,

498
00:33:00.559 --> 00:33:05.160
you know, some behind closed doors
in a much far away place, they

499
00:33:05.160 --> 00:33:08.000
make certain decisions about like the world
of Trek, and that's so far above

500
00:33:08.039 --> 00:33:10.359
my pay grade, I don't know. And then like I think Mike comes

501
00:33:10.359 --> 00:33:13.880
out of there being I know what
I can do now, and then like

502
00:33:13.920 --> 00:33:16.039
he does his brilliant thing where he's
like okay, like we're going to do

503
00:33:16.119 --> 00:33:20.440
these thing. We're gonna like make
these references like Cido is probably a good

504
00:33:20.440 --> 00:33:23.119
example, like you know, he's
like this has been and that's probably was

505
00:33:23.160 --> 00:33:27.960
something he had in his heart the
whole time and was building up to.

506
00:33:28.960 --> 00:33:32.119
But who knows. I don't know
exactly. And then like they work all

507
00:33:32.119 --> 00:33:36.319
that stuff, they work in the
important big stuff, right, and then

508
00:33:36.359 --> 00:33:39.079
the writer who gets the script,
you know, because it's not always Mike,

509
00:33:39.240 --> 00:33:42.279
right, they get to kind of
go in there and be like,

510
00:33:42.279 --> 00:33:44.720
what is my trek knowledge and like
what's my da da da, you know

511
00:33:44.759 --> 00:33:45.480
what I mean? And they do
that, and we have you know,

512
00:33:45.519 --> 00:33:50.440
and we have like a science advisor
and all that and trek Advisor and all

513
00:33:50.480 --> 00:33:52.920
that's to make sure our technobabble's good
and everything like that. But it's like

514
00:33:52.960 --> 00:33:55.640
every and then I get it and
I'm like awesome, And then Barry's like,

515
00:33:55.640 --> 00:33:59.440
hey, let's do this. Let's
have this thing in the back or

516
00:33:59.720 --> 00:34:01.920
or don't have this thing in the
background. Sometimes you try and put stuff

517
00:34:01.960 --> 00:34:06.680
in and it's like, well,
we've done Mugato's in the background, you

518
00:34:06.680 --> 00:34:09.840
know X amount of times, Let's
try something different, or hey, I

519
00:34:09.880 --> 00:34:12.960
saw you put this thing in there. We have to take it out because

520
00:34:13.039 --> 00:34:15.639
like actually that's going to be something
important for me, you know what I

521
00:34:15.679 --> 00:34:21.480
mean. It's yeah, everyone kind
of goes in there and like tries to

522
00:34:21.639 --> 00:34:24.079
put their little mark on it with
their favorite thing from the show. And

523
00:34:24.079 --> 00:34:28.639
I still haven't even gotten all of
my preferences. I want to get in

524
00:34:28.639 --> 00:34:32.840
there yet, but I can't.
Nice, no, please don't we want

525
00:34:30.880 --> 00:34:37.880
to. I'm imagining somebody, like
in an office building that has section thirty

526
00:34:37.920 --> 00:34:39.480
one on the door, comes out
and just does a bunch of redacted stuff

527
00:34:39.519 --> 00:34:43.280
on the script. Ye can't do
this shit we're doing in other places.

528
00:34:43.920 --> 00:34:46.239
I think that that might happen.
I don't know. I can't confirm nor

529
00:34:46.280 --> 00:34:53.440
deny careful section thirty one or that
anyone does that, but I know that

530
00:34:53.480 --> 00:34:57.440
there are some things that it's like, oh you can and can't do that,

531
00:34:57.599 --> 00:35:00.920
and or it's because it's like something
we're doing for the story, or

532
00:35:00.960 --> 00:35:05.239
it's like other trecks that like,
no, somebody else is going to do

533
00:35:05.320 --> 00:35:07.360
something with that thing. You're like, oh, what are they doing?

534
00:35:07.599 --> 00:35:09.840
Then we try and then you go
sneaking trying your fine, well, what

535
00:35:09.880 --> 00:35:16.559
is strange New World's up to?
Well, Waite on the show is always

536
00:35:16.599 --> 00:35:21.639
this. I always respect as you
know him as a font of knowledge on

537
00:35:21.719 --> 00:35:23.639
Star Trek. We will go in
to getting into the easter eggs way.

538
00:35:23.960 --> 00:35:27.719
We're a couple that stood out to
you. Well. I did some research

539
00:35:27.760 --> 00:35:30.599
on this, especially in terms of
the timeline. The mention of the four

540
00:35:30.760 --> 00:35:37.519
x Starfley personnels being targeted. One
was seven of nine from Star Trek Voyager,

541
00:35:37.920 --> 00:35:43.679
and this episode takes place three years
after the events of Voyager's last episode,

542
00:35:43.719 --> 00:35:49.159
End Game, So I'm not sure
if she's yet into the bounty hunting

543
00:35:49.360 --> 00:35:52.280
stage that we saw in Picard,
but she's definitely not Starfleet anymore. Then

544
00:35:52.280 --> 00:35:55.760
we got Beverly Crusher, which this
one interested me the most because this is

545
00:35:55.800 --> 00:36:00.920
exactly twenty years before we saw her
on Picard, which means that she's either

546
00:36:01.039 --> 00:36:06.639
she's either pregnant or has just had
Jack Crusher. Oh yeah, so she's

547
00:36:06.760 --> 00:36:10.639
just left Star Fleets. And then
we finally got a mention of Thomas Reiker

548
00:36:10.679 --> 00:36:15.440
in his fate. You know,
we saw him last on DS nine on

549
00:36:15.480 --> 00:36:19.000
The Defiant. He got sent to
a Cardassian prison. We didn't know what

550
00:36:19.000 --> 00:36:22.440
happened to, especially with the Dominion
War. Apparently he's still alive, and

551
00:36:22.480 --> 00:36:24.000
I'm really glad to hear that because
I'd like to see him again. And

552
00:36:24.039 --> 00:36:30.400
then Nick Lucarna from the First Duty
that was thirteen this thirteen years before this

553
00:36:30.519 --> 00:36:35.039
episode, so again we got to
find out what happened to him. Although

554
00:36:35.079 --> 00:36:38.039
I never thought we'd see that character
again. What is surprise, Ben,

555
00:36:38.119 --> 00:36:43.360
I was really surprised with this episode. And then I have to mention this

556
00:36:43.400 --> 00:36:49.480
one too, mister Broker. Yes, oh my gosh, Yes, that

557
00:36:49.599 --> 00:36:55.440
made me laughter. The entire scene. He looks like the Baylock puppet puppet

558
00:36:55.440 --> 00:37:00.440
from Corbonite Maneuver and pretty much every
shot final shot in every episode of the

559
00:37:00.480 --> 00:37:06.679
original series when Captain Freeman picked him
up and found out that she was or

560
00:37:06.679 --> 00:37:09.679
he was not a puppet, that
I I laughed so hard on that that

561
00:37:09.880 --> 00:37:15.599
was her face, her face if
you if you know you did a fantastic

562
00:37:15.719 --> 00:37:19.880
job because the moment that she found
out realized that that was not a puppet

563
00:37:20.199 --> 00:37:25.320
was was perfect. Oh and then
there's one more, uh Nick Lakna's jacket,

564
00:37:27.159 --> 00:37:30.679
the patch on it that definitely is
a reference to the the Colvert starburst,

565
00:37:30.800 --> 00:37:36.039
which is what he got him thrown
out of the U Starfleet Academy back

566
00:37:36.039 --> 00:37:38.679
in that first episode the First Duty
yep, And I noticed that was on

567
00:37:38.719 --> 00:37:43.159
the wing of the Klingon ship as
well, but just in passing, like

568
00:37:43.199 --> 00:37:45.360
it goes by so fast you can
barely register it. But I see that,

569
00:37:45.400 --> 00:37:50.679
thank you, something's painted there.
Uh yeah, you really, you

570
00:37:50.760 --> 00:37:55.440
really that you ego eye that one. But yeah, I'm glad you mentioned

571
00:37:55.440 --> 00:38:00.360
that Beverly Crusher reference because I did
the same thing. I went into less

572
00:38:00.400 --> 00:38:04.280
and like, wow, that's an
intricate little Picard easter ring, like it

573
00:38:04.360 --> 00:38:06.880
might be that she's been missing just
because she was trying to have a baby.

574
00:38:07.519 --> 00:38:10.559
Yeah, but talk to us a
little bit about that that Baylock puppet,

575
00:38:10.599 --> 00:38:15.800
because the it was it was done
so well, especially the the mouth

576
00:38:15.880 --> 00:38:22.639
movement reminded me of Zoltar from Big
just that kind of like you know,

577
00:38:22.079 --> 00:38:25.320
like a metronome hinge, just kind
of like talking like you know, the

578
00:38:25.400 --> 00:38:29.519
quick movements and all of the kind
of stuff out of sync, the out

579
00:38:29.559 --> 00:38:32.559
of sync yes yeah movement, which
was really tough because that was one thing

580
00:38:32.559 --> 00:38:35.800
you can't do in boards because we
don't do lip sync and story wards,

581
00:38:35.840 --> 00:38:38.039
right, it's just mouth open,
mouth closed or you like hit an expression

582
00:38:38.119 --> 00:38:42.719
that serves it. So that was
another one where it was like it's gonna

583
00:38:42.719 --> 00:38:45.679
work. Trust Everyone was just like, trust this, it'll work when it's

584
00:38:45.679 --> 00:38:51.320
fully animated. But we did Dante
again. Actually, the assistant director went

585
00:38:51.400 --> 00:38:52.840
in at one point was like,
I think, like I can get this

586
00:38:53.000 --> 00:38:57.400
rotation and if we put you know, and then you know, my the

587
00:38:57.519 --> 00:39:00.360
editor and I put a sound effect
that was like a like a like a

588
00:39:00.400 --> 00:39:04.679
gear rotating. So he was like, and that like helped get us through

589
00:39:04.679 --> 00:39:08.679
it through the whole, like it's
a puppet, it's gonna work. It's

590
00:39:08.719 --> 00:39:12.760
the joke's gonna work. But like
some of these jokes that like they're so

591
00:39:12.840 --> 00:39:15.760
funny on the page and like you
can you can make it work in storyboarding,

592
00:39:15.760 --> 00:39:20.039
but it's really a joke that's for
the finished animation. Mm hmm.

593
00:39:20.280 --> 00:39:22.079
It's like it just requires everyone to
kind of trust us and then we just

594
00:39:22.079 --> 00:39:25.039
have to do the best we can. I almost I was this close.

595
00:39:25.079 --> 00:39:28.400
I was like, let's just animate
it. Like we shouldn't do that.

596
00:39:28.679 --> 00:39:30.719
That's really outside the parameters of what
we're doing. But I'm like, even

597
00:39:30.719 --> 00:39:34.199
if we just did it for one
shot to like show everyone, and we

598
00:39:34.280 --> 00:39:37.280
got kind of close. But I
think what was really cool is the shot

599
00:39:37.280 --> 00:39:39.719
where they pick him up and you
see rutter Bird's point of view and you

600
00:39:39.719 --> 00:39:44.360
see all the internal organs. Yeah, that was that was an awesome shot.

601
00:39:44.400 --> 00:39:46.840
And we were trying to avoid it
because it's like because he was like

602
00:39:46.880 --> 00:39:50.760
flailing around him, Like, this
is gonna be really hard for the animators

603
00:39:50.800 --> 00:39:53.480
to have to do him flailing around
and all of his internal organs. But

604
00:39:53.519 --> 00:39:57.199
it was one that was like so
cool. It's like we're just gonna have

605
00:39:57.199 --> 00:40:00.239
to do it, so like once
you saw it in the boarder, like,

606
00:40:00.480 --> 00:40:04.559
we have to do it. It's
so cool. That's like the first

607
00:40:04.559 --> 00:40:06.960
sequence you hand over, you're like, this is gonna take the longest time.

608
00:40:07.000 --> 00:40:09.039
Let's just get started here. And
then yeah, it's one of the

609
00:40:09.079 --> 00:40:13.199
it's the juice is worth the squeeze, right, So you have to you

610
00:40:13.199 --> 00:40:15.320
always have to kind of choose your
battles, you know, especially in an

611
00:40:15.320 --> 00:40:17.719
episode this big that has so many
great moments where you're like, there's only

612
00:40:17.760 --> 00:40:22.280
so much juice, right, we
have to put it in the right places.

613
00:40:22.280 --> 00:40:23.239
But that was one where I was
like, that's gonna be worth it

614
00:40:23.280 --> 00:40:28.679
because I think this is a legacy
like joke essentially, right, and and

615
00:40:28.719 --> 00:40:32.400
like we're really hopefully surprising everyone that
it's not the puppet. And then it's

616
00:40:32.440 --> 00:40:36.639
like it's I think like the idea
is like it's the alien that the puppet

617
00:40:36.719 --> 00:40:39.199
was probably based on, right,
thet they used like the in Cannon puppet.

618
00:40:40.840 --> 00:40:44.960
So I loved that bit too because
I was like, oh, awesome,

619
00:40:45.039 --> 00:40:47.679
like this is our like our throwback
to the TOS era, you know

620
00:40:47.760 --> 00:40:52.039
for this episode, because it was
a little more TNG heavy, right or

621
00:40:52.159 --> 00:40:57.239
primary heavy, I guess, which
is great. We all love the prime

622
00:40:57.239 --> 00:41:01.239
era. Oh yeah, are there
some that you think that everyone is missing?

623
00:41:01.480 --> 00:41:07.079
Like no one has seen this these
one or two Easter eggs. I

624
00:41:07.400 --> 00:41:10.480
mean, honestly, there's stuff that
you guys have mentioned that I was like,

625
00:41:10.519 --> 00:41:15.559
well, I didn't notice. Like
I said, everyone puts in their

626
00:41:15.599 --> 00:41:20.639
little like everyone. There's so many
phases, right that it goes through from

627
00:41:20.679 --> 00:41:23.840
like directing, you know, storyboarding
and just you know script storyboarding, design,

628
00:41:23.960 --> 00:41:27.679
color, and then there's a lot
of animation phases where they can kind

629
00:41:27.679 --> 00:41:32.280
of like tweak stuff and change stuff. So I mean, I think you

630
00:41:32.320 --> 00:41:36.880
guys are far more egoied than I
was, because I wasn't even thinking.

631
00:41:36.920 --> 00:41:42.159
You know, Wayne mentioned the Beverly
Crusher. I didn't even realize that she

632
00:41:42.320 --> 00:41:45.280
was, Oh yeah, she's probably
pregnant or just had based on where we

633
00:41:45.320 --> 00:41:49.599
are in the timeline. I wasn't
even thinking. Although when I was working

634
00:41:49.639 --> 00:41:52.840
on this episode, I don't think
that episode of Card three hadn't come out

635
00:41:52.880 --> 00:41:54.599
yet, so I didn't even quite
know that. But you know, I

636
00:41:54.639 --> 00:42:00.280
know that there were forces above.
That is new. Yeah, because there's

637
00:42:00.320 --> 00:42:07.159
coordination right between the whole Star Trek
universes, somewhat coordinated now, So yeah,

638
00:42:07.159 --> 00:42:09.800
I don't know. I'm trying to
think of something to give you,

639
00:42:09.880 --> 00:42:14.480
Like that's why I gave the Lava
background story and I was like, you

640
00:42:14.480 --> 00:42:16.719
know, no, I mean that
makes me want to go back and watch

641
00:42:16.719 --> 00:42:21.320
it a fourth time, Like I've
re watched this so many times. It's

642
00:42:21.880 --> 00:42:27.639
fantastic. Even the opening sequence has
evolved over the the series, and it

643
00:42:27.840 --> 00:42:32.239
kind of represents in a way the
entire series. You know, like there's

644
00:42:32.960 --> 00:42:39.239
there's serious missions with a serious you
know, need to get certain things done

645
00:42:40.199 --> 00:42:45.159
and just decisions where they decide not
to and you know, the comedy end

646
00:42:45.159 --> 00:42:49.360
of kind of turning it around.
But that there's one particular part with the

647
00:42:49.400 --> 00:42:52.679
board Ship which just seems to have
grown with every season because there's more and

648
00:42:52.719 --> 00:42:59.719
more ships in this giant battle,
they just nope it around. Yeah,

649
00:43:00.199 --> 00:43:01.920
it's just I don't know. To
me, it kind of represents like if

650
00:43:02.159 --> 00:43:06.719
if you love Trek in the slightest
or if you've never given Trek a try,

651
00:43:06.800 --> 00:43:09.280
this is a great way to kind
of get into that or you know,

652
00:43:09.360 --> 00:43:15.440
kind of rediscover some things that you
love about it. It's a gateway

653
00:43:15.480 --> 00:43:17.599
for all of Star Trek. In
my opinion, it really is. Yeah.

654
00:43:17.639 --> 00:43:21.079
I always tell that to people too
who are like, oh, I

655
00:43:21.079 --> 00:43:22.159
don't know, I don't know much
about Star Trek. I'm like, guess

656
00:43:22.159 --> 00:43:25.760
what, this is the perfect place
to start ye Star War lower decks.

657
00:43:27.039 --> 00:43:30.400
If you like it, which I
know you will because we work so hard

658
00:43:30.480 --> 00:43:32.400
to make a good will, you
just will have to go check out some

659
00:43:32.480 --> 00:43:36.760
of the other because we talk like
even if you don't know all the references,

660
00:43:36.800 --> 00:43:39.480
you're not going to notice stuff in
the background, but like they talk

661
00:43:39.519 --> 00:43:44.199
about stuff like Okay, what is
the deal with kirkins Bock or what is

662
00:43:44.239 --> 00:43:45.679
the deal with Nick Locarno, or
and then you go and you watch it

663
00:43:45.719 --> 00:43:51.599
and then like, cause I feel
like I'm confident that if you're into fantasy

664
00:43:51.639 --> 00:43:54.280
and sci fi if that is like
something you enjoy. If you get started

665
00:43:54.320 --> 00:43:58.599
in Star Trek, you will get
sucked in. And it's just such a

666
00:43:58.639 --> 00:44:01.480
great world to get in and be
a part of. And like, even

667
00:44:01.480 --> 00:44:07.280
if you don't love every series or
every version, like there's something for everyone,

668
00:44:07.280 --> 00:44:09.119
you know, in all of them. And I just think that like

669
00:44:09.119 --> 00:44:13.960
if Lower Decks can help bring more
people into that and like realize it,

670
00:44:14.039 --> 00:44:15.599
Like maybe reluctant people were like,
no, I'm a Star Wars person.

671
00:44:15.599 --> 00:44:19.960
I'm like, you'll be a Star
Trek person. You'll be a tracking by

672
00:44:19.960 --> 00:44:22.639
the end of Lower Decks. Oh
yeah, absolutely. Star Trek always gives

673
00:44:22.719 --> 00:44:27.239
us wonderful characters, they really do. But Lower Decks just blew it out

674
00:44:27.280 --> 00:44:30.800
of the water. It's giving us
just characters that you just love and adore

675
00:44:30.119 --> 00:44:32.639
and you want to learn more.
So yes, I completely agree with that,

676
00:44:34.960 --> 00:44:37.840
you know, as a as a
tangent, I'm not sure that this

677
00:44:37.920 --> 00:44:39.079
is canon or whatnot, but you
know, the Tian Now, I've been

678
00:44:39.480 --> 00:44:45.400
visiting the tie in novels or like
the light novels for anime terms, and

679
00:44:45.480 --> 00:44:50.480
so I listened to Imzodi who wanted
too. Yeah, yeah, and that's

680
00:44:50.480 --> 00:44:52.400
so you got your Thomas Reiker's story. They kind of talk about what happens

681
00:44:53.199 --> 00:44:59.000
after the I think in Zoti too, right, he escapes the prison.

682
00:45:00.199 --> 00:45:04.079
I know it's not technically canon order, but I like to like some of

683
00:45:04.079 --> 00:45:07.079
the ones that are really good.
I'm like, that's probably can't And then

684
00:45:07.199 --> 00:45:09.719
you know, Jonathan Franks reads the
first one, which was really good.

685
00:45:12.840 --> 00:45:15.000
Well, there's the Peter David novels, right, yeah, yeah, they're

686
00:45:15.039 --> 00:45:21.639
really good. Yeah. And then
I listened to Q and Law, which

687
00:45:21.679 --> 00:45:25.159
is the one where Ana and and
now I'm onto Stitch in Time because I

688
00:45:25.199 --> 00:45:29.960
want the whole Garrick nice nicely.
Yeah, And that's been kind of fun.

689
00:45:29.960 --> 00:45:34.119
And that now I'm getting ideas though
to like because like I've expanded,

690
00:45:34.119 --> 00:45:37.320
I'm expanding outside the show finally,
So I'm like, ooh, this kind

691
00:45:37.320 --> 00:45:40.960
of give me like different ways to
think about these characters that I can maybe

692
00:45:42.000 --> 00:45:46.559
like find places to like bring that
influence into lower decks, you know,

693
00:45:46.920 --> 00:45:50.519
if we you know, as we
as we move forward, just like different

694
00:45:50.559 --> 00:45:53.159
ways of thinking of the characters when
you see other people writing them, you

695
00:45:53.159 --> 00:45:55.800
know, for another medium, and
it's kind of like getting extra episodes,

696
00:45:57.760 --> 00:46:00.679
you know, you wish there's more
TNG. You're like, well, I

697
00:46:00.679 --> 00:46:04.079
mean these books are pretty they're like
good episodes, you know they are.

698
00:46:04.199 --> 00:46:06.199
Yeah, they are, and I
can forgot about them now. I want

699
00:46:06.199 --> 00:46:09.760
to go back and read them where
they have someone. Yeah, when someone's

700
00:46:09.760 --> 00:46:13.719
reading them that you know, like
if it's a freaks is reading it,

701
00:46:13.880 --> 00:46:20.000
or I think you and law have
both reading it. Not all of them.

702
00:46:20.039 --> 00:46:22.039
Some of the books have and they're
great. You know, voice actors

703
00:46:22.039 --> 00:46:25.679
are amazing. I love voice actors
working in animation, but with Star Trek,

704
00:46:25.679 --> 00:46:30.320
when you have anyone from Star Trek
reading them, it's like you feel

705
00:46:30.360 --> 00:46:36.840
like you're more in the world.
Yeah, well, I know that you

706
00:46:36.960 --> 00:46:40.719
know what happens next, and I
know that we can't spoil anything trying careful.

707
00:46:43.440 --> 00:46:45.199
How do you how do you feel? How do you feel about the

708
00:46:45.239 --> 00:46:50.760
upcoming season finale? Oh, it's
it's gonna be awesome. I can't wait,

709
00:46:50.840 --> 00:46:55.480
because I wasn't sure how excited or
how ego eyed the fans were going

710
00:46:55.559 --> 00:47:00.440
to be about the story arc that's
being set up through this season. You

711
00:47:00.480 --> 00:47:02.039
just never know, Like you think
it's like, oh, everyone's gonna love

712
00:47:02.079 --> 00:47:05.360
it and be great. You just
you never know. But everyone's been really

713
00:47:06.000 --> 00:47:09.119
into it, and what I was
loving up to nine was all the wrong

714
00:47:09.199 --> 00:47:13.679
predictions I was reading though. Yeah, I was like showing the worst predictions,

715
00:47:13.679 --> 00:47:16.280
and I was like, oh,
we had a few. We had

716
00:47:16.280 --> 00:47:20.039
a few ourselves there. We never
guessed what you guys come up with.

717
00:47:20.639 --> 00:47:23.039
Yeah, Wayne and I were talking
about a few badgies more and I was

718
00:47:23.119 --> 00:47:25.840
like, well, that knocks out
all three of these possibilities. I'm not

719
00:47:25.880 --> 00:47:29.960
going to go back to it.
Well that was good too, because it

720
00:47:30.039 --> 00:47:32.960
like it like this season also kind
of led you down a certain path and

721
00:47:34.000 --> 00:47:37.719
then answered or like blocked off those
potential theories along the way, which I

722
00:47:37.719 --> 00:47:39.639
think was really fun because then you're
like, well, what are they going

723
00:47:39.679 --> 00:47:45.119
to do? And you were never
in a million years gonna guess Nick Lakarna

724
00:47:45.239 --> 00:47:50.920
was coming back to the show.
No, except for if you were.

725
00:47:51.599 --> 00:47:55.840
Some of the press coverage way before
after somewhere around season three, Robert Duncan

726
00:47:55.920 --> 00:47:59.440
McNeil kept talking in interviews by He's
oh, I can't wait, I'm gonna

727
00:47:59.519 --> 00:48:05.360
do more lower and everyone was like, quiet, stop, this is a

728
00:48:05.400 --> 00:48:07.599
big plan. I mean you I
I I because I heard that once and

729
00:48:07.639 --> 00:48:09.960
I was like, well, oh, We're probably gonna have Tom Parris do

730
00:48:10.199 --> 00:48:14.079
like another cameo or something like that, Like that would be cool, like

731
00:48:15.679 --> 00:48:19.159
because I never even would have imagined
in a million years that we would connect

732
00:48:19.360 --> 00:48:22.440
to Nicole Carno. So like,
you know, props props to Mike for

733
00:48:22.599 --> 00:48:27.599
that, because the man deep cut, it doesn't get much more obscure than

734
00:48:27.639 --> 00:48:31.559
that. I'm picturing him at a
con with a guy in sunglasses wearing a

735
00:48:31.599 --> 00:48:35.559
Section thirty one badge just kind of
leans over and whispers to him, like,

736
00:48:36.039 --> 00:48:37.599
you can't do those kind of things. We got We gotta keep that

737
00:48:37.639 --> 00:48:42.599
on the down though. But yeah, but yeah, I do think it's

738
00:48:42.639 --> 00:48:45.400
gonna be amazing. You like it, you have no idea what you're in

739
00:48:45.480 --> 00:48:49.400
store for it, and I'm very
excited about it. But there is something

740
00:48:49.440 --> 00:48:52.760
about that, like I love the
the countdown before the explicit, like,

741
00:48:53.360 --> 00:48:59.280
uh, four oh ten is like
the explosion right of everything we're building up

742
00:48:59.320 --> 00:49:01.480
with, and then like nine,
I think, is that like countdown clock

743
00:49:01.599 --> 00:49:05.679
and like the explosion is great,
but I sometimes I'm just like all the

744
00:49:05.760 --> 00:49:09.639
tension of building up to it.
Though sometimes it's just the best, but

745
00:49:09.679 --> 00:49:13.519
we're really It's a two parter it's
a two be continued, so we're kind

746
00:49:13.519 --> 00:49:17.280
of one episode yeah, right,
and I can't wait for you all to

747
00:49:17.320 --> 00:49:21.440
see it. I mean I can't. Yeah, there's stuff that you're just

748
00:49:21.480 --> 00:49:24.079
gonna be it's next week. Yeah, and you're gonna be like, oh,

749
00:49:24.119 --> 00:49:29.119
I didn't think that was gonna happen, Like I can't wait. Well,

750
00:49:29.360 --> 00:49:34.199
this series is kind of in the
in its own evolution. It's self

751
00:49:34.239 --> 00:49:36.840
referential. Now, you know,
it has these branch points that make you

752
00:49:36.880 --> 00:49:39.719
want to explore other franchises. But
this makes me want to revisit all of

753
00:49:39.760 --> 00:49:43.519
Lower Dex all over again to see
some of the nuances that I was missing

754
00:49:44.000 --> 00:49:49.159
and getting into this, yeah exactly. We've noticed that fans who maybe didn't

755
00:49:49.159 --> 00:49:52.519
love season one when they go back
with like their season two, three and

756
00:49:52.559 --> 00:49:57.239
four goggles on, are starting to
love it again because I love I have

757
00:49:57.320 --> 00:49:59.840
a special I didn't work on season
one. It's the only one I missed

758
00:50:00.280 --> 00:50:06.519
because at the time I had finished
up on Solar Opposites. And this was

759
00:50:06.559 --> 00:50:09.000
back when it was the good times
when you could like get a job on

760
00:50:09.039 --> 00:50:14.639
Twitter and like I got a job
on Apple and ongin on Twitter from dming

761
00:50:14.679 --> 00:50:19.000
that showrunner and I hadn't. I
didn't know anything about it was still code

762
00:50:19.039 --> 00:50:21.840
named California Class. I just like
didn't know about it. And my friend

763
00:50:22.679 --> 00:50:27.440
Marisa Livingston, who's our lead character
designer, was doing designs for it at

764
00:50:27.440 --> 00:50:30.440
the time, and so I missed
out on season one, but I didn't

765
00:50:30.480 --> 00:50:32.840
know that I missed out yet.
So then we came back, you know,

766
00:50:32.920 --> 00:50:37.320
Pandemic Hits, and we came back
for I came back for Solar Opposites

767
00:50:37.360 --> 00:50:39.519
for season two. We're all worked
from home and everything, and I don't

768
00:50:39.559 --> 00:50:44.199
remember how it happened exactly now that
I think about it, but somebody was

769
00:50:44.239 --> 00:50:46.960
like, oh, why don't you
Like I was like looking for something to

770
00:50:47.000 --> 00:50:50.920
be in between the seasons, you
know, Solar Opposites was ending, and

771
00:50:52.320 --> 00:50:53.480
I think it was probably maybe through
Marisa or somebody was like, oh,

772
00:50:53.480 --> 00:51:00.400
I'll put your name in. And
I did that interview and came on board

773
00:51:00.440 --> 00:51:04.199
for season two for Star Trek,
and you know, you go back and

774
00:51:04.239 --> 00:51:07.400
you watch that first season and I
just I loved it so much, and

775
00:51:07.400 --> 00:51:09.800
I just like, and I read
a lot of like not great stuff about

776
00:51:09.840 --> 00:51:13.800
that first and I'm like, but
it's so good and it's all there,

777
00:51:14.559 --> 00:51:15.239
but you just didn't know, you
want, Like, I think a lot

778
00:51:15.280 --> 00:51:19.400
of people just weren't ready or didn't
know that they were gonna love it.

779
00:51:19.440 --> 00:51:22.360
So I really hope people go back
and revisit and revisit that pilot, because

780
00:51:22.360 --> 00:51:27.280
that that pilot episode of Lower Decks
might be one of the greatest animated pilots

781
00:51:27.320 --> 00:51:30.000
of all time. Like it's got
everything, It's got space flu right,

782
00:51:30.079 --> 00:51:35.079
it's got set up the Mariner Boimler
thing perfectly, Like it's all there.

783
00:51:35.119 --> 00:51:37.360
All the characters are there, like
ten D Rutherford, like who they are

784
00:51:37.480 --> 00:51:40.519
is like all kind of set up
in the and it's an amazing first episode.

785
00:51:40.599 --> 00:51:44.280
And I'm like, really sad I
didn't get to work on that first

786
00:51:44.320 --> 00:51:47.239
season because it's and maybe that's why
I also have a little bit of like

787
00:51:47.719 --> 00:51:50.639
it's special to me because I'm like, well, that's the one you missed

788
00:51:50.639 --> 00:51:55.199
that it's the one that got away. Yep. But look where you're at

789
00:51:55.239 --> 00:52:00.480
now. Yeah, Yeah, it's
great, it's it's worked out amazing.

790
00:52:00.400 --> 00:52:04.719
Well, we hope we see you
for many more seasons. I would say,

791
00:52:04.760 --> 00:52:07.159
as long as as long as your
crew is willing to do it,

792
00:52:07.480 --> 00:52:12.360
we're invested. Oh yeah, I
mean we're willing, we're hoping to do

793
00:52:12.519 --> 00:52:16.280
more. I would really like to
do at the very least seven and a

794
00:52:16.400 --> 00:52:21.519
movie would be awesome. Can you
imagine what we would do with an actual

795
00:52:21.519 --> 00:52:24.280
movie and not just a movie episode? Gosh yeah, yeah, so that

796
00:52:24.320 --> 00:52:28.280
would be nine is kind of our
movie episode, right, Like it's not

797
00:52:28.559 --> 00:52:30.000
you know, like in the other
seasons they were literally doing you know,

798
00:52:30.039 --> 00:52:35.159
they would do the Holidack movies.
This one they're like, well, let's

799
00:52:35.159 --> 00:52:38.639
just do a movie in the show, which is great. So like,

800
00:52:38.840 --> 00:52:43.280
can you just imagine like the fun
we could have with a with a full

801
00:52:43.360 --> 00:52:45.559
on, oh you know movie and
you know it's funny too. I had

802
00:52:45.559 --> 00:52:50.920
a fan I was like, you
know, messaging at me and like they're

803
00:52:50.920 --> 00:52:52.519
like, yeah, I would love
to see that in theaters. And I

804
00:52:52.519 --> 00:52:53.559
didn't even I was like, oh, I was thinking it would be on

805
00:52:53.679 --> 00:52:58.000
like Paramount plus if we did a
movie. I never even considered that it

806
00:52:58.079 --> 00:53:01.000
might be in theaters and that would
be even cool. Oh yeah, Brandon,

807
00:53:01.360 --> 00:53:05.719
would you direct it? I would
love to, but I imagine Barry

808
00:53:05.719 --> 00:53:10.519
would direct. He's the man.
He can do it all. He's amazing,

809
00:53:10.599 --> 00:53:14.960
He's like our you know, when
it comes to the visual wrangling of

810
00:53:15.000 --> 00:53:19.360
the show, like he's our he's
our he's our captain for sure, our

811
00:53:19.400 --> 00:53:22.199
admiral. I guess we've tried to
do this. We've tried to figure out

812
00:53:22.239 --> 00:53:28.599
like the metaphor, like what our
episodes they're like missions and the teams are

813
00:53:28.599 --> 00:53:30.960
ships and the directors are captains of
the ships. Right, so then I

814
00:53:31.000 --> 00:53:35.079
and my my number one is the
A D and then like we have our

815
00:53:35.079 --> 00:53:37.719
team. We we've tried different versions
of this metaphorm. It's like, well,

816
00:53:37.719 --> 00:53:42.000
who's Michael is he? Is he
control? Or is he like is

817
00:53:42.000 --> 00:53:45.079
he president of the Federal You know, we've tried to do it, and

818
00:53:45.079 --> 00:53:49.039
it gets messy once you get beyond
like you know, but Barry's definitely are

819
00:53:49.039 --> 00:53:52.079
an admiral. I think a good
admiral a good star for the admiral.

820
00:53:55.239 --> 00:54:00.639
But there's a few usually, I
know, an admiral shows up, you're

821
00:54:00.679 --> 00:54:04.480
like, oh gosh, you know, yeah, well you've got a very

822
00:54:04.519 --> 00:54:07.199
good crew, so there's no doubt
about that. And hopefully you guys keep

823
00:54:07.199 --> 00:54:09.840
everybody together and we get some more
seasons because we really really want it in

824
00:54:09.840 --> 00:54:13.639
a movie, absolutely and it'd be
great. Yeah, and then you know,

825
00:54:13.719 --> 00:54:15.079
the best way to watch it,
and you guys are watching it for

826
00:54:15.119 --> 00:54:20.159
sure, so yeah, you know, I'm messaging all my friends. Have

827
00:54:20.239 --> 00:54:22.719
you watched it yet? I haven't
watched it yet, Like this is a

828
00:54:22.760 --> 00:54:25.519
really good time to watch, Like
this week and next week are a really

829
00:54:25.559 --> 00:54:29.039
good time. You know, if
you're listening to this, and if you're

830
00:54:29.039 --> 00:54:30.920
listening to this, you've probably watched
it. But if you have friends who

831
00:54:30.920 --> 00:54:34.119
haven't watched it yet, like this
is a good time because this is like

832
00:54:34.159 --> 00:54:37.400
when they're looking at you know,
the studio and whatnot, is like kind

833
00:54:37.400 --> 00:54:43.559
of looking at the success and everything, and when the episodes are coming out,

834
00:54:43.719 --> 00:54:45.679
it's when there's a lot of the
energy is around it because you can

835
00:54:45.719 --> 00:54:47.679
see it because I'm sure that they
have, you know, I'm sure they

836
00:54:47.719 --> 00:54:52.599
have. They're looking at the numbers
and they're seeing people go back and like

837
00:54:52.679 --> 00:54:58.599
rewatch, Like I'm sure the I'm
sure the the however it's represented, you

838
00:54:58.599 --> 00:55:00.840
know, I like to imagine it's
a big, a big like graph with

839
00:55:00.960 --> 00:55:06.039
like numbers and stuff and like lights, and I'm sure they're like, oh,

840
00:55:06.159 --> 00:55:07.239
when the new episode comes out,
look at that. There goes the

841
00:55:07.280 --> 00:55:12.440
other seasons. You know. I
like to imagine that but I think this

842
00:55:12.480 --> 00:55:15.280
is a really good time to like
try and bring that energy in, especially

843
00:55:15.320 --> 00:55:17.559
with the awesome the weekly release,
which is so great because you all get

844
00:55:17.599 --> 00:55:21.159
to have these podcasts. Yeah,
you know, and there's an other podcasts

845
00:55:21.199 --> 00:55:23.960
that can kind of talk and we
can build that energy each week rather than

846
00:55:24.000 --> 00:55:28.719
it's all out at once. They're
talking about something that's over, you know,

847
00:55:28.760 --> 00:55:30.679
So we've got next week coming up. So you've got a friend who

848
00:55:30.679 --> 00:55:34.079
hasn't watched it yet, this is
a time to catch up. Yeah,

849
00:55:34.199 --> 00:55:36.400
absolutely, I like I like the
one a week. It's like that water

850
00:55:36.440 --> 00:55:40.039
cooler thing too, you know.
Yeah, absolutely, And then I like

851
00:55:40.079 --> 00:55:44.280
to go back and binge it.
Yeah, it's because you can get You

852
00:55:44.360 --> 00:55:46.679
can binge this series so fast because
you will get sucked in. It's just

853
00:55:47.480 --> 00:55:52.320
so rewatchable and I love to go
And then what will happen is I'll go

854
00:55:52.400 --> 00:55:57.079
back and rewatch all of season four
because it's different when you watch it on

855
00:55:57.119 --> 00:56:00.199
the app, right, or if
I also get the blue right, is

856
00:56:00.239 --> 00:56:02.880
I like have to have it like
you know, but it's different, you

857
00:56:02.880 --> 00:56:06.679
know, you know, you see
the screeners at work and all that stuff,

858
00:56:06.760 --> 00:56:08.320
and you and I've seen it a
million times going through, but there's

859
00:56:08.360 --> 00:56:14.039
just something different about the final thing
that goes out to broadcast. So what

860
00:56:14.079 --> 00:56:15.840
will happen is I'll go back and
rewatch all of season four and then be

861
00:56:16.199 --> 00:56:22.480
I should probably just go back to
season Yeah, and it doesn't take long.

862
00:56:22.719 --> 00:56:25.840
Honestly, there's not you know,
it's what it'll be forty episodes at

863
00:56:25.840 --> 00:56:30.639
this point. Yeah, wow,
So well yeah, forty twenty twos and

864
00:56:30.679 --> 00:56:34.960
you can just you can blast through
them though. They're so fun, they're

865
00:56:35.000 --> 00:56:38.920
so rewatchable. Yes, well,
I love the fact that they have the

866
00:56:38.920 --> 00:56:43.559
the ready Room segments. They give
you a little bit more to go into.

867
00:56:43.559 --> 00:56:45.840
You can let's you know, talk, listen to the voice talent and

868
00:56:45.880 --> 00:56:47.719
everybody, all the creators give their
perspective on things. It's it's a great

869
00:56:47.719 --> 00:56:50.880
way to kind of dive in and
get more depth. How do I get

870
00:56:50.880 --> 00:56:57.719
on one of those? Right?
Like keep the animators in their hole.

871
00:57:02.079 --> 00:57:05.400
They're like like, hey, can
I get on it? It's like chink

872
00:57:05.719 --> 00:57:10.440
to your desk. You need to
be drawing this, ye for you,

873
00:57:13.599 --> 00:57:15.800
Brandon? Are there any other projects
you want to talk about? Anything else

874
00:57:15.840 --> 00:57:19.440
you have in the works. Oh, I always have a lot of you

875
00:57:19.519 --> 00:57:22.760
know, there's always things happening in
the background. I think right now,

876
00:57:22.760 --> 00:57:25.760
I'm mostly you know, full steam
on lower decks. We're in the thick

877
00:57:25.800 --> 00:57:30.639
of it. Of course, Like
many I have the dream, of course

878
00:57:30.639 --> 00:57:32.039
of having my own show, and
you know, I want to get back

879
00:57:32.079 --> 00:57:35.480
into ching and trying. That's the
only thing that would get me off lower

880
00:57:35.519 --> 00:57:38.599
decks, honestly, Like I'm like, so Currito's strong, you know,

881
00:57:38.639 --> 00:57:43.239
to the end, the only thing
that whatever is Like if I somehow managed

882
00:57:43.280 --> 00:57:47.159
to trick them into making my own
show, that would be the only thing.

883
00:57:47.719 --> 00:57:50.280
But other than that, you know, I'm just like, we don't

884
00:57:50.320 --> 00:57:53.559
waiting to hear about solar hopefully more
solar opposites. And then I teach on

885
00:57:53.599 --> 00:57:59.280
the side. I'll tach for College
for Creative Studies in Detroit, which is

886
00:57:59.400 --> 00:58:07.159
school I went to have a little
story boarding class, and it's it's very

887
00:58:07.199 --> 00:58:10.599
rewarding to kind of like I it. It definitely is giving back because let

888
00:58:10.599 --> 00:58:15.039
me tell you, adjuncts are not
compensated in a way that I think is

889
00:58:15.440 --> 00:58:22.119
appropriate for guiding the future. But
to me, it's it's just I hadn't

890
00:58:22.239 --> 00:58:25.800
I had a key experience in college. You know, it's in Detroit,

891
00:58:27.360 --> 00:58:29.440
you know, at the time,
like there was it felt like there's this

892
00:58:29.519 --> 00:58:32.639
bubble around La where it was like
the animation industry is this other world and

893
00:58:32.719 --> 00:58:37.400
unless you go to cal Arts or
Arts Center, like you have to sort

894
00:58:37.400 --> 00:58:40.159
of find your own little way in. And I think that's still true to

895
00:58:40.199 --> 00:58:44.239
this day. And I used to
tell people that, like, yeah,

896
00:58:44.239 --> 00:58:46.519
once you find your little hole,
it closes behind you, because everyone's little

897
00:58:46.559 --> 00:58:51.119
way in is a little different.
And that's not like it's not you closing

898
00:58:51.159 --> 00:58:53.480
it behind it. It just like
everyone's all opportunity is different. But I

899
00:58:53.519 --> 00:59:00.920
had one semester when John Travick,
who's the creator of Middlemost Posts for Nickelodeon

900
00:59:00.639 --> 00:59:04.639
and at the time he was a
storyboard artist for SpongeBob. He came back

901
00:59:04.679 --> 00:59:06.840
and he was doing the remote thing, you know, way before we were

902
00:59:06.840 --> 00:59:09.840
all doing zoom and stuff. But
he came back to Michigan and to try

903
00:59:09.840 --> 00:59:13.159
it out, and he was like, oh, I'll teach first semester while

904
00:59:13.159 --> 00:59:16.480
I'm working on SpongeBob. And we
had a flash animation class and he's like,

905
00:59:16.559 --> 00:59:20.599
I'm like, wait, you're storyboard
artist on SpongeBob. Was like,

906
00:59:20.679 --> 00:59:23.840
we're doing storyboards. I'm not doing
this nonsense. We're doing storybars because that's

907
00:59:23.840 --> 00:59:25.320
what I want to get into.
And he's like, oh, we should

908
00:59:25.320 --> 00:59:28.360
really be doing it. I was
like, I was like, all right,

909
00:59:28.360 --> 00:59:31.679
then I'll do double assignments for this
whole and he like that. One

910
00:59:31.760 --> 00:59:36.119
semester, he gave me a lot
of the tools because I would say,

911
00:59:36.159 --> 00:59:38.440
it's like storyboardings like seventy percent,
it's like these certain things you just have

912
00:59:38.519 --> 00:59:42.119
to know, like how to set
up shots, how to do it,

913
00:59:42.159 --> 00:59:45.400
and then it's thirty percent like what
you bring your vision, your voice,

914
00:59:45.440 --> 00:59:50.840
your personality. And what he did
for me was he filled that seventy percent.

915
00:59:50.880 --> 00:59:52.039
He gave me the like this is
what you need to know, this

916
00:59:52.079 --> 00:59:54.800
is what a storyboard needs to look
like, this is how you think about

917
00:59:54.840 --> 00:59:58.880
it. So that I was able
to focus on that thirty percent and it

918
00:59:58.960 --> 01:00:01.679
changed my life, Like one semester. I went from being like this is

919
01:00:01.679 --> 01:00:04.639
going to be I don't know if
I can do this, Like I don't

920
01:00:04.679 --> 01:00:07.559
know if I'm going to have what
it takes to make it out, you

921
01:00:07.559 --> 01:00:10.760
know, in the jungle, And
he changed that in one semester. And

922
01:00:10.800 --> 01:00:15.599
I just want to give back and
do that for my students nice and they

923
01:00:16.079 --> 01:00:20.440
you know, unfortunately, because I'm
on LA time, so these poor students

924
01:00:20.480 --> 01:00:24.239
have to come in on a Saturday
at like because it's like eleven am for

925
01:00:24.280 --> 01:00:29.119
me because I was like, I
can't get it's my Saturday. But they

926
01:00:29.119 --> 01:00:31.360
do it, and I think it
brings a certain dedication and they're all kind

927
01:00:31.360 --> 01:00:37.320
of looking for that as well.
They want that like industry knowledge and experience,

928
01:00:37.360 --> 01:00:39.199
and so yeah, that's like the
you know, a big part of

929
01:00:39.599 --> 01:00:45.280
doing to give back, and I
just want to give somebody that experience and

930
01:00:45.320 --> 01:00:46.840
help them and who knows, you
know, one of these young kids might

931
01:00:46.840 --> 01:00:50.079
be the next you know, showrunner
and then I'll be working for them,

932
01:00:52.719 --> 01:00:55.199
you know, season seven when you're
trying to figure out how to put that

933
01:00:55.280 --> 01:01:00.559
poker game into it right, you
know. But other than that, you

934
01:01:00.559 --> 01:01:05.559
can you can find me at stupid
art Punk is my handle for like everything,

935
01:01:05.880 --> 01:01:08.199
no Twitter and Blue Sky and Instagram. Stupid art Punk is like where

936
01:01:08.199 --> 01:01:13.159
you'll find me. Fantastic cool.
Yeah, So I've always got a lot

937
01:01:13.159 --> 01:01:15.440
of things in the works, but
like right now, it's all if you

938
01:01:15.480 --> 01:01:17.440
go to my timeline, it's all
lower decks right now. Because I'm super

939
01:01:17.440 --> 01:01:22.639
excited and super proud of this plenty
to be prendant. This has been.

940
01:01:22.840 --> 01:01:28.039
It has been fantastic. Yeah,
well, thank you so much for your

941
01:01:28.039 --> 01:01:30.639
time. Brandon. If you're available, we would love to have you back

942
01:01:31.400 --> 01:01:36.360
for a future discussion. I know
that, I know we're going to talk

943
01:01:36.360 --> 01:01:40.000
about the next season of Lower Decks
and it's happening. It will play more

944
01:01:40.079 --> 01:01:45.199
Trek to talk about, so we'll
have a whole episode about pink ling on

945
01:01:45.239 --> 01:01:49.559
blood. So cool. I didn't
I wasn't sure how far they were gonna

946
01:01:49.559 --> 01:01:51.440
because we did a lot in the
board, but you know, you never

947
01:01:51.480 --> 01:01:52.840
know like how far they're going to
take that, and they did so much

948
01:01:52.960 --> 01:02:00.679
blood we should have done an even
closer shot and like really nice. Yeah,

949
01:02:00.719 --> 01:02:02.679
it's awesome. And you got to
see the T shirt? Do you

950
01:02:02.719 --> 01:02:06.559
guys see the T shirts? The
Ti Mouse T shirts for the Lower Decks

951
01:02:06.599 --> 01:02:09.000
where they do the T shirt club. Okay, so everyone, now I'm

952
01:02:09.000 --> 01:02:12.880
gonna get you all hip to this. So Tim Mouse has this T shirt

953
01:02:12.920 --> 01:02:15.440
club. Will they do one T
shirt for every episode, and like the

954
01:02:15.480 --> 01:02:19.360
T shirts are themed, so like
if you go onto the store, you

955
01:02:19.360 --> 01:02:22.480
can buy them individually as well.
So they have a nice starbas eighty T

956
01:02:22.599 --> 01:02:28.480
shirt which is amazing. They have
one of my favorite one is the citation

957
01:02:28.559 --> 01:02:32.400
Ops one. It's like this nice
sea foam Yes, yeah, I won

958
01:02:32.760 --> 01:02:35.840
shirt. I might have to buy
another one because I wear it out.

959
01:02:36.000 --> 01:02:39.320
They have a great DS nine one. But the T shirt for this episode,

960
01:02:39.400 --> 01:02:44.760
Barry did the drawing and it's like
a Mariner with Mock in the background

961
01:02:44.800 --> 01:02:47.559
when he's and he's got the like
hood the sky's on and it's like,

962
01:02:47.920 --> 01:02:52.400
it's really awesome. And she's got
like phaser in there in the cave bubble.

963
01:02:52.480 --> 01:02:54.519
So like that T shirt looks awesome. I'm very excited to get it.

964
01:02:54.599 --> 01:02:58.599
But yeah, at the b n
of each season, Tim Mouse has

965
01:02:58.599 --> 01:03:00.960
this club. You can sign up
and you get like a little discount and

966
01:03:01.000 --> 01:03:05.360
then there's you get eleven shirts,
so there's a bonus. You get one

967
01:03:05.360 --> 01:03:07.679
shirt that's themed after every episode.
It's like the first one is Justice for

968
01:03:07.840 --> 01:03:20.400
two Vicks across the UH Voyager and
then Moopsie. Right. Yeah, so

969
01:03:20.440 --> 01:03:23.400
there's a bunch of these awesome themed
and you know, different designers get to

970
01:03:23.440 --> 01:03:25.400
do it. Some of them are
Berry, some of them are like the

971
01:03:27.440 --> 01:03:30.119
like Robbie Cook, one of our
designers. One they're really awesome. So

972
01:03:30.599 --> 01:03:35.239
that's also a great way to support
the show. Yeah, and you get

973
01:03:35.280 --> 01:03:37.559
a cool T shirt. They're they're
incredible. So they got the whole store

974
01:03:37.679 --> 01:03:42.480
tit mouse store for lower decks.
Yes, I'm getting some shirts, aren't

975
01:03:42.480 --> 01:03:47.360
I. I've got thirty of them
because I missed season one, right,

976
01:03:47.360 --> 01:03:51.519
because they give us a little little
discount right to get all of them.

977
01:03:51.840 --> 01:03:55.639
So it'll be forty when the season
five one comes. So we'll be very

978
01:03:55.639 --> 01:04:00.440
surprised that the next one doesn't have
a culvered starburst on it. Way,

979
01:04:00.599 --> 01:04:02.320
we'll see, you know what,
I because I don't know, So I'm

980
01:04:02.320 --> 01:04:04.840
always a little bit like, what's
the next T shirt? I like to

981
01:04:04.840 --> 01:04:09.920
look like what part of the episode
did they key in on? Right,

982
01:04:10.000 --> 01:04:13.440
Like there's a Quarks T shirt that
has like the Federation experience one that's really

983
01:04:13.480 --> 01:04:18.440
cool. I think Lancelot's on the
four oh three shirt. They're great.

984
01:04:18.679 --> 01:04:21.119
Yeah, So there's like a if
there's a part of the show that you're

985
01:04:21.159 --> 01:04:25.000
really excited about, I'm I guarantee
you it's gonna end up on one of

986
01:04:25.039 --> 01:04:31.000
these T shirts. Nice. I
do love that it's it's like a gross

987
01:04:31.320 --> 01:04:38.440
mustard yellow like it's it's everything you
would imagine Starbars eighty to be I've got

988
01:04:38.440 --> 01:04:42.440
like the older logo on it,
it says star bas eighty. It's great.

989
01:04:42.679 --> 01:04:44.639
Well, Brady, thank you so
much. Man, it's been an

990
01:04:44.639 --> 01:04:49.000
absolute honor pleasure to talk to you
about Lower Decks, about this episode.

991
01:04:49.320 --> 01:04:54.800
You've done an incredible job. Everybody
had done an incredible job, and we

992
01:04:54.880 --> 01:04:58.400
cannot wait to see what the future
holds. Oh yeah, yeah, awesome.

993
01:04:58.440 --> 01:05:01.519
Thanks for having me on and letting
me talk about cartoons and all my

994
01:05:01.800 --> 01:05:09.519
which our cinema, but our cartoons
and are fun and just thanks for letting

995
01:05:09.559 --> 01:05:14.320
me come on and indulge. Absolutely, yeah, this has been an absolute

996
01:05:14.360 --> 01:05:17.800
pleasure and listeners, we always appreciate
you joining us for another mission. As

997
01:05:17.840 --> 01:05:21.239
always, healing frequencies are always open, so feel free to share your thoughts,

998
01:05:21.320 --> 01:05:26.960
your predictions, your questions, especially
about t shirts that I'm going to

999
01:05:27.039 --> 01:05:30.960
have to go ahead and grab a
whole different on social media. If you'll

1000
01:05:31.000 --> 01:05:33.559
mark trek certainly let us know.
You can find us at a film by

1001
01:05:33.639 --> 01:05:39.119
podcast dot com, a film by
podcast at gmail dot com, on Facebook,

1002
01:05:39.159 --> 01:05:42.039
Twitter, and Instagram. Tune in
next week and we'll see you for

1003
01:05:42.079 --> 01:05:56.280
the next mission. Thanks, thank
you,