April 27, 2025

Gareth Evans - The Raid: Redemption

Gareth Evans - The Raid: Redemption
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Season 6 A Film By...

Jeff and David dive fists-first into Gareth Evans' 2011 action masterpiece, The Raid: Redemption. Join them as they go floor-to-floor discussing the dynamic shots, the film's relentless pacing, and the jaw-dropping fight choreography that introduced the Indonesian martial art, Pencak Silat, to the next wave of Hollywood's action films!

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Twenty Cops thirty Floors of Chaos one a film by

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listener who subscribes to our Patreon at the producer level tier.

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What's that sound like, Jeff, It sounds like we've got

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a Patreon subscriber requesting one hell of a movie. So

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let's talk about a film by Gareth Evans, his twenty

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eleven action impactriller The Raid Redemption.

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Hello, and welcome back. I'm Jeff Johnson, I'm David Burns,

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and this is a film by podcast. It's a second

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quarter of our of our season, and.

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Uh, flying by, already flying by.

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Uh, but it's already time for a Patreon request from

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mister James Buckley. Of course, Yeah, James, this one is

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for you. He he had a great one for us

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back in February. We did uh Devil in a Blue Dress,

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a Denzel movie. Yeah, first time watching me. It was fantastic.

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I mean, Scott had a great time talking about that.

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And uh, we're back for for another one for James

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talking about The Raid Redemption by Gareth at Evans. So

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real quickly, Dave, let's let's talk about why we're doing

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this for James. Uh. He in fact, he subscribes he

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is one of our mini subscribers on Patreon. We have

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we have several tiers, right you know, this tier might

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get you a free sticker, maybe a T shirt. This

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tier might get you some some fun stuff on Patreon.

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We might do we might do an episod out on

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Patreon for you. But at the producer level, James gets everything.

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He's one of the guys that gets all the swag

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he gets. He gets his uh his pick on on

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Patreon episodes and every quarter. Listen, we don't. We don't

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take the suggestion. We we we we do what we're told.

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James gives us the film, He gives us the director.

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He says, boys get the work.

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So and he's not let me down yet because every

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hoop he has given us has been fantastic.

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I gotta be honest. Every movie he has he's offered,

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we have loved. So this guy just amazing taste. Yeah

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and uh yeah, and shout out to James. Uh he

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is a an actual John Grisham character in real life.

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Uh you know, uh Louis Louis I and a lawyer

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by day, rock and roll drummer for the band Hidden

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Tracks by night. The guy, The guy's awesome Uh, he actually, Jave,

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I'm sure you remember we did a We did a

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fun Top seven courtroom drama type movie. So James joined

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me for that one. We had a lot of fun.

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So go back, listener to go back and check that

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one out. James and I had a great time. But listen,

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can't be he can't be the only one. I shout out.

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Uh from Patreon, we got a new Patreon member. Uh

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so I'd like to welcome. I'd like to say hello

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to Rob Balducci. Rob. I hope I said that correctly. Yeah,

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just signed up this week.

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Uh, awesome, Welcome Rob, Welcome Rob.

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You know, hit us up, Rob, let us know, like

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you know, what do you what brought you to Patreon?

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What are you looking for on our Patreon? More importantly, Uh,

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what do you think of a film buy? Because that's

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why we do this stuff. We want to we want

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to hear from you guys. Well, Dave, let's uh, let's

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talk about Gareth. He wanted to say, Gareth Edward. That's

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another Yeah, he's another amazing director. But with all due

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respect to mister Evans, a couple of facts and a quote.

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I don't know if you know this, Dave. He was

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briefly connected to not one, but two potential d C

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EU movies. This was the the DC movie superhero films

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prior to the Saffron Gun administration. Yeah, apparently, so death

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Stroke he pitched an idea for with every intention of

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writing and directing it. I'm guessing maybe that fell to

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the wayside because that was around the time Ben Affleck

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was like, Hey, I want to direct a Batman movie

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with death Stroke in it. So I'm guessing that's maybe

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why that one went south.

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And we know how that went so.

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Uh and sadly they offered him Justice League Dark. M hm,

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he passed on it. What I let's just can we

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pause for a second talk about that? Sure, this guy

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at this point, I mean, he's done the raid, he's

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done his you know, footsteps mantal, he's not.

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Really on the map yet though, No, not at all.

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DC says, we're we're not giving you a death stroke,

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But hey, what do you think about Justice League Dark?

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Which is a very cool premise, you know, I mean

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talking to the comic book nerds, and I could say

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that because you and I are both we are one,

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that's right, We're in that family. Yep, we're waiting for

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this film. We'd love to see this film, he says. No.

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Well, I mean if I didn't know anything about this guy,

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and I didn't know anything about this film, so it's eye

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opening for me. So if I was an executive at

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you know, install this film, I'd be like, I want

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this guy on my team.

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Oh yeah, when you watch the Raid, this is clearly

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like the give this guy. Just give him a blank check,

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because this is the guy that's going to give us

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our next action franchise. More on that later, But if

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you happened to have signed up for online classes to

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learn Welsh years ago, there's a chance this guy was

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your teacher.

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Really, gare he.

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Was an online instructor. Prior to his success as a filmmaker,

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he was teaching Welsh classes online.

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Alrighty, what a nice turn he made for his career.

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You know, hey, to all those online instructors out there,

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to all those aspiring filmmakers that are doing like the

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industrial you know, factory movies, safety films and stuff like that,

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we've talked about something. They're out there. Yeah, but hey,

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you never know, you know, you might be talking about

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the you know, the dangers of saying the wrong thing

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in the office one day, but the next day d

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C might be offering you that's this league dark So

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that's right, you never know. Yeah, keep the faith man, Dave.

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Back in twenty twenty one, he signed an exclusive deal

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with Netflix to produce and direct films. So wondering, like,

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where's this guy been, what's he doing?

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Well?

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Netflix has him. So the first first movie though, I

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guess they shot this a couple of years ago, but

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the strikes were a problem and some other shit happen.

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But Havoc starring Tom Hardy and Forrest Whitaker, Dave, I

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believe this was just released a few days ago, on

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Friday twenty fifth.

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Oh so how interested you?

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Yeah? You and all the Netflix subscribing listeners need to

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let us know about that one, because you know, you

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know how I am about Tom Hardy. I love Tom Hardy. Hey, yeah,

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big Fanhm, he's his new show. Are you watching mob

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Land on Paramount Plus?

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I've been told by quite a few people, but I've

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not watched it yet.

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Well, now you're being told by me, I know, but listen, Okay,

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if I could just pitch it to you real quick, sure,

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and Teddy listener hasn't heard so James Bond himself. Pierce

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Brosnan is the head of one Irish mob family. Mm hmm,

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he's uh, you know, there's a war about to kick

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off with another Irish mob family. Tom Hardy is the

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the muscle. He's the enforcer for for Brosnan's army. And

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I don't want to say aymore because I don't know.

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I don wanna spoil it, but it's so damn good.

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Ellen Mirron, Helen, Helen Mirren. She's like the matriarch, you know,

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she's married to uh to Pierce Brosnan in the in

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the series, and it's so good.

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I will definitely have to check it out then because

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that sounds fantastic and great cast by the sounds of it.

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Yeah, we're like, I think we're like four or five

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episodes in. So okay, spend a spend a lazy day

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inside and just watch it. You'll you'll you'll be happy,

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all right, I will, Dave. We have James Buckley to

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think for putting the Raid on our on our radar,

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we do. I gotta be honest, Listen, this is one

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of those movies where, like action movie cinophiles have always said, well,

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the Raid, you know, you haven't seen the Raid. The

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Raid is the reason why we have this new wave

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of fast paced brutal action. Like you know, the Raid

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has got it's got a lot.

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Of esteem m hm, and you can see why.

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And yeah, yeah we can't now but yeah, you know,

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I mean, shame on us for for waiting so long.

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Again.

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Yeah, but for the listeners who who maybe haven't seen

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the Raid Redemption don't know about it, or maybe for

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the listeners that like Jays, maybe there's some people out

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there that that bought this back in twenty eleven love it,

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but maybe like it's sounded for a revisit. Will you

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give us a brief synopsis of what this one's all about?

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I will, and my snaps has a little tiny, uh

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spoiler in there. So have you not seen this film?

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Stop right now and go and why watch this lieutenant

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while you organize this? This WAT team and invades an

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apartment building which houses the drug lord Tama and his gang.

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The secret mission, which turns out that not even why

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superiors know about, quickly turns upside down when he and

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his men are trapped on the seventh floor by Tama

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and those in the building who are loyal to him.

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With no help coming and the men quickly running out

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of ammunition, the SWAT team has to fight by fist

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guns and whatever else they can find and hopefully make

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it out alive.

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Fists, guns and whatever else they can find. We're going

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to get into that here in a couple of minutes,

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because let's be honest, everything that isn't bolted down is

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used as a weapon in this movie, including the filing cabinet, which,

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just when you thought you'd seen it all like, a

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guy uses a filing cabinet as a weapon, and I

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am here for it, man, Dave. I know, I know

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the director in you is excited to talk about a

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lot of these shots. You and gart Evans have something

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in common though. You both love the storyboard we do

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now so you know, and you follow the tried and

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true method of shot lists and drawings, right I do.

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This guy makes video storyboards with his actors. They plan

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out the fight sequences like month, two months in advance.

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They just they you know, I'm talking an office building

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with some crash pads, and they just put it together.

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So when he's on set, he's looking, he's on his

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cell phone, he's looking at the video. He shares it.

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Everyone on set watches the video and then they just

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they replicate what they see sense and he uses these

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these little video things that he creates like they're like placeholders,

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you know, in his film. So let's like, all right,

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we got that one, so well, now we'll delete it,

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you know, we'll delete the cell phone stuff, you know,

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we'll delete the camera stuff that we did. I think

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that's brilliant, man.

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It is. I mean, with the fights that you've seen

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in this film, you're gonna have to have that stuff

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choreographed in advance. So as a director in me, I

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just can't imagine having to come up with something like that.

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Because the way the camera moved at times, man, I

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mean it was so fluid and so smooth with some

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of the fights that it just like melted into the

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scene that you were watching like it was part of

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the fight. It was amazing.

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I think sometimes you watch an action movie, you know,

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or an action sequence for that matter, where there's a

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lot going on, a lot of a lot of close

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quarters combat, the camera is it can be almost like blurry,

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a little jarring because you just your eye doesn't know

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where to go, right. But did you notice his his

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his directions. Is just it's flawless because, like you said, fluid,

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I never once felt myself discombobulate. I always knew where

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to follow the action like it. It's just it's he

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He truly directs not only his actors, but he's directing you,

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the audience member. He's showing you what to look at

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the entire time, you know, and not you know, like

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a little little little you know, jump forward to a scene.

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Think about that, Like in the hallway we see a

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machete exactly, but but there's that moment where we see

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a machete. He disarms a guy. We watched the machete fall,

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the floor. The camera follows it and then whips us

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right back to the action like we always know where

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to look. I love that about this guy.

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Man. It's brilliant, it really is.

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It's a obviously this is a very intense action thriller,

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but Gareth Evans considers The Raid to be more of

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a survival horror film instead of an action movie. Do

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you see do you do you see that?

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I definitely can see that.

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I have to be honest, man, watching it, I was

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like it at times it felt like a zombie movie.

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was a horror film where they got stuck in the

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building with zombies. It was a foreign film and then

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we remade it over here. I cannot think of the

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name of the top of my head, but seeing this movie,

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I definitely can see why he would call this it

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feels like a horror movie because I mean, yeah, there's

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a lot going on. It feels like zombies are attacking them.

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Well, it's just like like the like the like the thugs,

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like when you know, our hero character Rama when he

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is beating the crap out of them, you know, they fall,

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but then they get up. But and just the way

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that you know, obviously they're a little groggy, they've you know,

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they're getting fatigued from the from fighting, and just the

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way they move. Some of these guys move like zombies. Yeah,

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at least at least I felt like that.

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It does seem like it. No, I'm with you on that.

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Yeah, all right, I'll tell you what, Dave. Let's let's

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take a quick break.

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And then a couple guys I want to talk about

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that are doing what I think maybe is some of

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the best martial arts I've seen in a lot long time.

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Welcome back. We are discussing Gareth evans twenty eleven action

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thriller The Raid. It's a James Buckley Patreon producer episode. Again,

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Thank you, James, Yeah, thanks James. So let's talk about

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Eco UUs. He's our lead character, Rama, the rookie for

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the Mobile Brigade Corps, which is basically it's it's Indonesia's

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Swat Swat team.

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Can we just talk about the opening for a second,

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because I love the opening montage of him basically getting

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ready for work. He's, you know, there's a little bit

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of prayer, there's a little bit of you know, affectionate longing.

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You know, his pregnant wife is asleep. He's trying to

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be quiet yep. And then he's doing some very intense

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workout on the on the heavy bag before you know,

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getting ready for his day. I have to be honest, man,

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his his hand work on that bag is so fast.

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I think the only other person I've seen with that

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kind of speed is Bruce Lee.

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Like I I for a second, I was like, did

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they speed the camera up? Is this is he really

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move because it's a blur. His his his punch, his

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strikes are so fast. You i'd say you, I'd say,

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you're seeing maybe every third every third hit maybe if

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you're if you're that lucky. But this, this guy, like

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I just you know again it's an Indonesian uh you know,

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uh superstar we're talking about. I know he's done a

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little bit of work. We haven't seen it though, Dave. No,

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just after seeing this, I want I want more Eco.

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Us Absolutely I do. Yeah, he was brilliant in this thing. Man.

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Yeah, this is listen, I'm this is I'm not being

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disparaging when I say this, but this is. This movie's

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almost one long action sequence. It is, and it's really

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easy for someone like like the guy to not really

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do any acting. And let's be fair, he wasn't an

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actor before this movie, you know, so given that, you know,

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because I still think there's there's definitely some emotional weight

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to his performance, and like, what's motivating him in this movie?

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What do you think of his performance? A fight? All

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fighting aside?

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Well, I mean with what little words he has. As

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you know, movies can really move along without having words,

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and that's what you want you want pictures, And I

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feel like a lot of his performance done with his eyes.

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His face expressions. I think they're fantastic. You know, the

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whole build up at the beginning there where he's working

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out and just you know, you don't get a lot

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of dialogue there in the beginning. You get a little bit,

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not much, and I like a lot of that because

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I think dialogues used too much. Sometimes there's a place

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for it. But what I like about them he was

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driven by his facial expressions, his eyes. I mean, acting

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is in your eyes, and if you can pull that off, uh,

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you're a pretty good actor. And he does it very

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well in this especially later on you know when again

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if you haven't seen this, but uh, he finds his brother. Yeah,

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you know, I thought that was a great scene between

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the two of them, and you know, you get a

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lot of build up between all that fighting going on

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until you get to that dramatic moment. But all his

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performance in this room I thought was fantastic.

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Fighting aside, let's talk about yeah, Yan Ruin, he's playing

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mad Dog, who is basically dude, the beast, the muscle

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behind Tomas operation this guy, and let's be honest, like

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when you think about the the the heavy, like you know,

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the bad guy's henchman. Usually it's like some mountain of

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a guy. Right, this is this guy? What is he?

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Like five six like my height? Yeah, this is the

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Indonesian David Burns man. Yeah, but he is he He

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clearly lives up to the name and hot take. Man,

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I'm gonna go and tell you maybe my favorite character

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in the movie.

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Yes, without a doubt.

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You know. Oh okay, I thought I thought you were like,

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he's a villain. No, no, no, no.

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It's funny when I was watching this film and when

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I saw his first fight where you know, he broke

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the sergeant's neck and then he drags him down the

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hallway to the elevator, and I'm like, Okay, this guy's

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kind of cool. And then when he got to the

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second fight where he actually you know, lets him the

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brother go and just prepares himself to fight the two

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of them, I'm like, oh, man, But to backtrack that

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a little bit too. Remember he had the gun on

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the sergeant. He put the gun down because he ended

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up fighting with his fists his hands. So I'm like,

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this dude is bad ass. And I know Jeff loves him.

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Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, listen, listen to you. You're stepping

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all over noteworthy scenes and I'm afraid. I'm afraid to

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correct you because, like now, I see what a guy

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like a guy five six can do to me. He

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was hired by Gareth Evans in two thousand and eight

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to work as a fight choreographer shock you know, on

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the on his film the film Maranta but Dave. His

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other films include appearances in Star Wars The Force Awakens.

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Gotta go back and see it now. He played He

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played a character named Tatsu Leach. I don't know who

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that is, scratching my head. Apparently he was. He was

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prominent enough to do the voice for the Lego Star

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Wars video game, playing the same character. So all right,

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gotta go back and check that one out.

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He also was one of several people that tried to

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kick John Wick's ass in john Wick three Parabellum. And

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again this this this fighting style which we'll talk about, uh,

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prominently featured in john Wick three. It's you see a

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little bit of it in The Accountant. I know, me

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and Garrett Gibson talked about that when we covered the

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account We kind of mentioned this this fighting style Pinchot salite,

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which we'll we'll get into here in a second. But yeah, yeah,

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Ruin just fun to watch. Man. You are like, yeah,

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you know, I uh yeah, I can't say enough good

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about him. But let's let's move on. Let's let's talk.

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Let's talk a little bit about the background on on

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how this movie got made, because I really think this

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is an interesting story. So Gareth Evans, his wife is

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of Indonesian descent, and she, you know, convinces him to

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take a job as a freelance director. Let's go to

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Indonesia make this documentary about Pinchot salite. So, Dave, we're

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talking about an Indonesian martial art that focuses on striking, grappling,

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and weaponry where every part of the body is subject

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to attack. And if you know now that you've seen

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this movie, all bets are off, man, like this is

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this is what hell of a martial art too? I

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dig it man, Uh it's it's actually part of the

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Southeast Asian Games. It made its debut in nineteen eighty

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seven at the Games. And uh it's taught as an

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elective in Indonesian schools. Okay, I just want to if

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I if I could just make a comment on the

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American education briefly, go ahead, and I'd be careful because

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you know, we're friends with several teachers. Dave, you and

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I were taking study Hall as an elective or home

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economics or homech yeah, or wood shop, which I enjoyed

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my time in home mech I did too. I got

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to eat a lot of food. Yep, I enjoyed my

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time in wood shop. But h pinchots salite was not

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on the electives list because if it were, I pretty

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sure I know what that were, I'd be you know,

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oh yeah, me too. I'd be I'd be hitting people

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with filing cabinets right now.

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But I would be the new mad dog.

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So you would be yeah, day birds day bad dog Birds.

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So anyways, Gareth is completely fascinated by the combat sport

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and he happens to discover the probably at that time

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Indonesia's top star uh in the sport, Eco UoS. This

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guy's working for the phone company by the way, when

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he's discovered what is it with these jobs? I don't know,

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I don't know. But anyways, he casts Eco as the

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star of his second film. You know he did. He

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did a low budget like a like an independent movie

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called called Footsteps. But his second film, which had a

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little bit better budget, it's an action movie, a low

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budget action movie called Marinto. I didn't get to watch

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the whole film, but I saw a little bit of it.

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I would say it's Gareth Edward. I went again, you

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love Gareth Edwards. Gareth Evans about the Sick Mad Dog

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look Out. Uh, Gareth Evans, I would say Marintow is

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kind of like his his homage to Jackie Chan. Okay,

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because what Eco is doing in the movie. If you

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watch it, Dave or you know, even to go to

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YouTube watch them clips. It feels very young Jackie Chan,

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like drunken master type stuff. Really cool.

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Well check that out.

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But you know, the movie has a degree of success,

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and they decide to reteam. Gareth tells him about a

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bigger budget film he's doing called Thugs, and it's a

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large scale gang war movie that's set inside of a

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super max prison. Now that sounds awesome. Yes, they shoot

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a little trailer, little teaser trailer, and after a year

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and a half they don't have the necessary financial backing

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him and the producer, so it's it's a no go.

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Evans course corrects, streamlines, the story, makes some some minor changes,

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moves it to a smaller location aka and apartment building,

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and Thugs becomes the Raid Redemption.

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Big budget cuts. I can see why he did that.

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That may cheap, Oh yeah, real cheap. Now here's what

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I'll tell you, because I'm sure James Buckley already knows this,

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and some of our listeners that are fans of the Raid,

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they probably know this. What I just described, this movie,

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Thugs ultimately becomes the sequel to The Raid Redemption. It's

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the Raid Part two where I guess it takes place

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allegedly allegedly takes place moments after Rama walks out of

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the apartment building. Oh okay, so tell you right now.

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It is definitely then the number one spot on my queue.

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Like you know, next time I sit down to watch anything,

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it's the Raid Part two.

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Yeah. Same here.

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Now, we got to discuss some comparisons, you know, And

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I'm gonna be honest with you because there's there's a

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there's a there's a big one hanging out there. But

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before we talk about that one, I'm watching this movie

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and there's something I noticed, and that's that uh Tama,

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you know, the the head bad guy that's controlling this

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apartment building. Yep, with all these with all these gangsters

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and drug lords and everything. I love the idea that,

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you know, he's kind of caught this swat force in

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a trap. He's not letting them out. Basically, it's like

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a killbox, and he doesn't want anyone on the on

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the streets or anyone outside this building to know what's

463
00:26:40.680 --> 00:26:44.559
going on. His guys are they're executing cops on the

464
00:26:44.599 --> 00:26:46.680
outside that like the you know, like the van, the

465
00:26:46.720 --> 00:26:49.960
swat team Van brutal and they're put they're getting rid

466
00:26:49.960 --> 00:26:53.119
of the van. They're they're hiding the evidence, so to speak.

467
00:26:53.759 --> 00:26:56.200
And when I saw that moment, I was like, this

468
00:26:56.279 --> 00:27:00.799
is this is Carpenter, this is assault on Precinct right, Yeah,

469
00:27:01.759 --> 00:27:05.559
I love that it's got a real assault on Precinct thirteen.

470
00:27:05.640 --> 00:27:09.039
Vibe to it with the entire movie one. You know,

471
00:27:09.720 --> 00:27:14.039
some loan cops trying to survive one one go with

472
00:27:14.119 --> 00:27:20.440
the criminal Empire. Yep, very cool, man, very cool. But

473
00:27:20.480 --> 00:27:24.359
there's another comparison. This movie comes out in twenty eleven,

474
00:27:25.160 --> 00:27:32.839
twenty twelve, we get the reboot of Judge Dread Carl Urban.

475
00:27:32.720 --> 00:27:36.880
You know, just Dread, right, which is a very similar theme.

476
00:27:37.640 --> 00:27:40.720
Yes, now, let's let's be honest, Dave, Dread was pretty awesome.

477
00:27:41.000 --> 00:27:46.039
Oh absolutely, it was okay, And listeners, if you haven't

478
00:27:46.079 --> 00:27:51.880
seen Dread, there's a similarity here because Dread goes into

479
00:27:52.160 --> 00:27:55.680
an apartment building. What was it like the peach Towers

480
00:27:55.799 --> 00:27:58.960
or something like that like that, I don't remember that. Yeah,

481
00:27:59.000 --> 00:28:03.519
but there's basically there is a you know, like the

482
00:28:03.599 --> 00:28:06.839
leader of a criminal empire is hold up in a

483
00:28:06.839 --> 00:28:13.200
apartment building and Dread and his partner are basically going through,

484
00:28:15.240 --> 00:28:18.200
you know, the entire building trying to fight their way

485
00:28:18.440 --> 00:28:21.640
back out, and that's basically the raid.

486
00:28:22.119 --> 00:28:23.680
It is just with less people.

487
00:28:23.759 --> 00:28:27.880
But sure, just with less people. Yeah, I gotta be honest. James,

488
00:28:28.119 --> 00:28:31.279
James Buckley, we were talking, you know, he was excited

489
00:28:31.279 --> 00:28:33.160
that we were going to do this one. He's like, man,

490
00:28:33.160 --> 00:28:35.400
He's like, I'm just curious to think what you guys

491
00:28:35.400 --> 00:28:40.799
think about the comparison between Dread and and The Raid.

492
00:28:41.359 --> 00:28:44.119
I'm kind of wondering if these directors knew what was

493
00:28:44.160 --> 00:28:47.039
going on, you know, with each other. Now, think about this, Dave,

494
00:28:47.519 --> 00:28:51.119
they're basically in production at the same time, right, and

495
00:28:52.240 --> 00:28:55.519
I'm forgetting his name, the director of Dread, but kind

496
00:28:55.519 --> 00:28:59.640
of irrelevant because Alex Garland writes the script. Yeah, and

497
00:28:59.720 --> 00:29:02.880
more less takes over the film because there's some different

498
00:29:02.960 --> 00:29:05.160
you know, creative creative differences, right.

499
00:29:05.559 --> 00:29:07.319
We love this creative differences.

500
00:29:07.200 --> 00:29:11.359
Exactly Peter Fria's last name. But anyways, a guy walks,

501
00:29:12.079 --> 00:29:15.559
Alex Garland kind of takes over Dread quietly, just keeps

502
00:29:15.559 --> 00:29:19.079
directing it. And I was kind of curious. I was like,

503
00:29:19.119 --> 00:29:22.519
you know, this is very similar movies. I did a

504
00:29:22.519 --> 00:29:27.039
little digging. I actually found an Alex Garland interview. You know,

505
00:29:27.160 --> 00:29:31.119
he was promoting Dread, and this interviewer starts off the

506
00:29:31.119 --> 00:29:35.000
interview by saying, hey, can we talk about the controversy

507
00:29:35.440 --> 00:29:37.400
with this and the raid? And what do you know

508
00:29:38.279 --> 00:29:41.599
Alex Garland, who we like? Man, we remember we did

509
00:29:41.599 --> 00:29:45.119
that movie. What was it? Men? You and I covered

510
00:29:45.359 --> 00:29:47.400
really creepy strange movie.

511
00:29:47.200 --> 00:29:47.880
Or a strange film?

512
00:29:48.079 --> 00:29:52.839
Yeah last year. Yeah, Garland, is you gotta watch this interview?

513
00:29:52.839 --> 00:29:54.519
I gotta send it to you because he is visibly

514
00:29:55.039 --> 00:29:58.799
pissed off right from the get go, like, oh, this

515
00:29:58.880 --> 00:29:59.960
is how we're gonna start the interview.

516
00:30:01.759 --> 00:30:06.759
I've got very sort of conflicting feelings about this, And

517
00:30:06.880 --> 00:30:10.480
as I suppose you might imagine, on the one hand,

518
00:30:10.519 --> 00:30:14.680
if I separate myself from the whole process, just from

519
00:30:14.680 --> 00:30:16.319
a filmmaking point of view, I can look at The

520
00:30:16.359 --> 00:30:19.319
Rain and I think it's kind of amazing what they've achieved.

521
00:30:19.680 --> 00:30:21.640
I mean, I really think it's amazing. I really do.

522
00:30:22.000 --> 00:30:27.359
It's extraordinary. It's hard making films anyway. At the level

523
00:30:27.400 --> 00:30:30.720
of resource, with the amount of imagination and invention that

524
00:30:30.799 --> 00:30:35.200
they did, that's actually really stunning, actually, But there's something

525
00:30:35.920 --> 00:30:39.359
frustrating about it, which is not the Raid as a

526
00:30:39.359 --> 00:30:42.039
film itself. I don't really think there's a problem with that.

527
00:30:42.079 --> 00:30:44.240
I remember very well in the eighties there were a

528
00:30:44.240 --> 00:30:46.279
whole bunch of V and R movies that came back

529
00:30:46.319 --> 00:30:49.680
to back, like Platoon and Full Metal Jacket and Hamburger

530
00:30:49.799 --> 00:30:51.960
Hill and stuff, and it was like it was just

531
00:30:52.880 --> 00:30:58.240
fair enough whatever. It's more the accusation that we stole

532
00:30:58.920 --> 00:31:05.000
material from The Rain. I find it. It's extremely irritating.

533
00:31:05.400 --> 00:31:08.920
The reason it's irritating is because it carries an implicational

534
00:31:09.039 --> 00:31:14.680
insinuation of plagiarism. And I read this from film journalists

535
00:31:15.519 --> 00:31:18.119
who I would have thought would be able to do

536
00:31:18.200 --> 00:31:21.160
the math and figure out that we would have needed

537
00:31:21.160 --> 00:31:23.519
a time machine to be able to do that. If

538
00:31:23.559 --> 00:31:26.880
you are writing about fucking film production, you ought to

539
00:31:26.920 --> 00:31:29.119
have a sense of how on a shoot last, how

540
00:31:29.160 --> 00:31:33.960
long post production takes, what editing and VFX requirements entail.

541
00:31:34.119 --> 00:31:38.240
And there's no mystery about it. I would have thought

542
00:31:38.240 --> 00:31:42.519
it was obvious, So I don't I have no problem.

543
00:31:42.599 --> 00:31:44.200
I really have no problem with the whole thing about

544
00:31:44.240 --> 00:31:46.759
the raid. I don't like being told that I ripped

545
00:31:46.759 --> 00:31:48.880
off something else's idea when I didn't, because I just

546
00:31:48.920 --> 00:31:49.640
think it's rude.

547
00:31:49.799 --> 00:31:50.079
Yeah.

548
00:31:50.119 --> 00:31:51.960
Well I'm here to clear that up.

549
00:31:53.480 --> 00:31:56.519
No, sure, Yeah, And I should probably be a lot

550
00:31:56.680 --> 00:31:59.559
more polite and diplomatic when I talk about it. But

551
00:31:59.599 --> 00:32:00.359
I find it.

552
00:32:00.519 --> 00:32:03.559
Yeah, And he makes it, you know, he like he

553
00:32:03.640 --> 00:32:06.599
makes a fair point. He's like, listen, he goes, Platoon

554
00:32:06.640 --> 00:32:09.960
came out and nineteen eighty six, thank you Alex Scottord

555
00:32:09.960 --> 00:32:11.759
for shotting out ninety a six the best year for

556
00:32:12.240 --> 00:32:15.000
films in the nineteen eighties. But he talks about Platoon

557
00:32:15.039 --> 00:32:16.920
coming out, He's like, yeah, we got Hamburger Hill in

558
00:32:16.960 --> 00:32:20.519
full metal Jacket, and you know, all these Vietnam movies.

559
00:32:20.759 --> 00:32:24.039
He's like and no one took issue with it. He goes,

560
00:32:25.079 --> 00:32:29.279
same thing. He goes and it's not like we stole

561
00:32:29.400 --> 00:32:31.319
from the rate because that he's getting more and more

562
00:32:31.519 --> 00:32:33.559
worked up. You know, he's just getting lathered up about.

563
00:32:33.759 --> 00:32:35.640
They goes like, well, that's it, I just want to clarify,

564
00:32:35.720 --> 00:32:37.960
and you know, the interviewer is not helping himself at

565
00:32:38.000 --> 00:32:40.720
all because Garl's getting more pissed and he's like, look,

566
00:32:40.759 --> 00:32:43.519
and he's like, look, what do we have a time machine?

567
00:32:43.680 --> 00:32:45.559
Because that's the only way I could steal from this movie,

568
00:32:45.799 --> 00:32:48.440
you know, because we were in production. What do you

569
00:32:48.440 --> 00:32:51.720
want me to do? Even apologized, he's like, listen, I

570
00:32:51.720 --> 00:32:54.359
know I'm getting a little upset here, but I'm just

571
00:32:54.960 --> 00:32:58.039
He's like, I don't like being told that I'm stealing

572
00:32:58.119 --> 00:33:02.680
someone's work when in effect, it's just it's just coincidence,

573
00:33:02.720 --> 00:33:04.119
you know, It's just it's just bad timing.

574
00:33:04.559 --> 00:33:04.839
Yeah.

575
00:33:04.880 --> 00:33:08.279
And then funny thing because we mentioned assault on Precinct thirteen,

576
00:33:08.640 --> 00:33:09.680
He's like, you know, if you want to say I

577
00:33:09.680 --> 00:33:12.079
stole from anybody, you know, stay sass, stole from assault

578
00:33:12.079 --> 00:33:15.039
on Precinct thirteen. I'll be like I'll throw my hands

579
00:33:15.119 --> 00:33:18.160
up and say, all right, sure, you know has been

580
00:33:18.200 --> 00:33:18.920
like that for a while though.

581
00:33:18.920 --> 00:33:22.039
I mean, remember like is Leviathine Deep Star six Abyss,

582
00:33:22.039 --> 00:33:24.720
although it came out on top of one another, whie Pembstone,

583
00:33:24.759 --> 00:33:26.480
come on, uh huh, it happens.

584
00:33:26.480 --> 00:33:28.119
Well, it's just like, hey, there's an idea out there.

585
00:33:28.599 --> 00:33:31.279
Who's gonna who's gonna get the final cut first? Right, Yeah,

586
00:33:31.559 --> 00:33:34.880
he's gonna wrap the picture, so exactly. That's that's how

587
00:33:34.920 --> 00:33:36.920
I look at it. You know, it's there.

588
00:33:36.920 --> 00:33:38.359
Are both good films. I'm not worried about it.

589
00:33:38.400 --> 00:33:42.920
Oh yeah, yeah, you know, aside from the fact that

590
00:33:42.920 --> 00:33:44.319
you got a cop trying to fight his way through

591
00:33:44.319 --> 00:33:45.039
an apartment building.

592
00:33:45.200 --> 00:33:45.599
Mm hmm.

593
00:33:45.839 --> 00:33:48.680
It's about it, you know, because I here's why I

594
00:33:48.720 --> 00:33:52.039
look at it, Judge dread. It's more like the themes

595
00:33:52.039 --> 00:33:54.839
of the movie. It's more about law, and it's it's

596
00:33:54.839 --> 00:33:57.920
a lot a lot colder, right, it's about process, yep,

597
00:33:58.039 --> 00:34:02.119
whereas the raid it's a little bit more about family.

598
00:34:02.200 --> 00:34:06.000
You know, Rama is is uh you know, he's doing

599
00:34:06.000 --> 00:34:09.119
what he's doing for the benefit of his family, both

600
00:34:09.119 --> 00:34:11.719
his private wife at home, his long lost brother.

601
00:34:12.639 --> 00:34:15.519
And you almost lose sight of that too, you do,

602
00:34:15.880 --> 00:34:18.159
because you barely get a little bit of that in

603
00:34:18.199 --> 00:34:20.880
the beginning where the father says he was talking to

604
00:34:20.960 --> 00:34:23.079
him right when he's ready to leave, and then you

605
00:34:23.119 --> 00:34:25.360
get all that chaos going on in the in the

606
00:34:25.400 --> 00:34:27.480
in the apartment building, and you almost lose track of

607
00:34:27.519 --> 00:34:30.760
it until uh he grabs him and pulls him into

608
00:34:30.760 --> 00:34:32.320
the apartment and you're like, oh, wait a minute, I

609
00:34:32.320 --> 00:34:33.360
almost forgot about this.

610
00:34:33.719 --> 00:34:35.719
Well, yeah, because at the beginning, like you know, he's

611
00:34:35.760 --> 00:34:38.960
he's gearing up, he's getting his gear on. By the way,

612
00:34:39.599 --> 00:34:46.440
the uh SWAT team, Like, who's a jacka jacka the sergeant?

613
00:34:47.039 --> 00:34:50.519
I love. You know, anytime you get a little exposition

614
00:34:50.599 --> 00:34:54.119
dump right in a movie, sometimes it's annoying. You know,

615
00:34:54.239 --> 00:34:55.599
I don't I don't want to be spoon fed. But

616
00:34:55.639 --> 00:34:59.920
this he's basically he's he's he's like a camp counselor

617
00:35:00.400 --> 00:35:02.679
sitting around the fire talking about the legend ad Jason Vorhees.

618
00:35:02.760 --> 00:35:06.519
He is building up this bad guy Tama yeah, and

619
00:35:06.639 --> 00:35:08.719
basically scaring the ship out of these guys, these these

620
00:35:08.800 --> 00:35:12.039
these rookies, you know, and I'm like, I can't wait

621
00:35:12.039 --> 00:35:13.760
to get in this apartment building. Man, this is gonna

622
00:35:13.760 --> 00:35:15.760
be a This movie is gonna be awesome, But.

623
00:35:16.000 --> 00:35:17.559
I want to talk about the scene real quick. But

624
00:35:17.559 --> 00:35:19.639
go ahead, come back to that scene, good and finish.

625
00:35:20.039 --> 00:35:21.840
Put it in that scene. We'll put it in that okay,

626
00:35:21.880 --> 00:35:23.400
because we're we're gonna get to net Worth these scenes

627
00:35:23.400 --> 00:35:26.760
here just a quick second. But I'm like, you man, like,

628
00:35:26.800 --> 00:35:29.599
I'm like, who's this old guy? And Ram was like, hey,

629
00:35:29.840 --> 00:35:32.639
I'll bring him back home? Like who? Who bring him back?

630
00:35:32.639 --> 00:35:33.079
Who home?

631
00:35:33.400 --> 00:35:33.840
Exactly?

632
00:35:33.960 --> 00:35:36.400
You know what? And for a while, you know, a

633
00:35:36.400 --> 00:35:38.400
little misdirection here because I'm like, oh, wait a minute,

634
00:35:39.119 --> 00:35:42.840
our hero is named Rama, the villain, the bad guy

635
00:35:42.880 --> 00:35:45.960
is named Tama, right, is this those older brother?

636
00:35:46.599 --> 00:35:46.800
Is this?

637
00:35:46.960 --> 00:35:49.559
Is this like a brother thing? And I was like, well,

638
00:35:49.599 --> 00:35:52.360
clearly they're not. They're not talking about that, but then

639
00:35:53.239 --> 00:35:55.599
you know it's brother find out, then you find out.

640
00:35:55.599 --> 00:35:58.239
But I'll tell you what, Dave, I don't know how

641
00:35:58.239 --> 00:36:01.039
we're gonna pair this down h for noteworthy scenes. But

642
00:36:01.440 --> 00:36:03.239
let's let's get to some noteworthy scenes, shall we.

643
00:36:03.760 --> 00:36:05.840
Yeah, well, I want to go back to the van scene, because.

644
00:36:05.639 --> 00:36:07.000
Let's go back to the van. Let's start with there.

645
00:36:07.239 --> 00:36:09.559
What I find very intriguing about this scene, and I'm

646
00:36:09.639 --> 00:36:11.679
wondering if Gareth had this in his mind when he

647
00:36:11.760 --> 00:36:15.800
was doing this. I'm telling you that entire scene felt

648
00:36:15.840 --> 00:36:19.079
like the boats on Normandy going to the beach and

649
00:36:19.119 --> 00:36:22.639
saving Private Ryane. It really does. Yeah, because you even

650
00:36:22.679 --> 00:36:27.159
got the police officer shaking his hand. You even get

651
00:36:27.199 --> 00:36:31.519
the guy driving tapping the truck saying thirty seconds.

652
00:36:31.159 --> 00:36:33.320
Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, you're right, yeah yeah.

653
00:36:33.880 --> 00:36:35.840
I was like, holy crump, this is a saving private right.

654
00:36:36.039 --> 00:36:37.679
This is the opening the Private Ryne. I did even

655
00:36:37.719 --> 00:36:38.480
pick up on that man.

656
00:36:38.599 --> 00:36:39.639
Yeah, so cool.

657
00:36:39.639 --> 00:36:42.079
Well, you know, typically like when you when every action

658
00:36:42.159 --> 00:36:44.280
movie has this, it's a it's a cliche. Well, we're

659
00:36:44.280 --> 00:36:47.360
going to see the the SWAT team, you know, lock

660
00:36:47.440 --> 00:36:50.599
and Load. You know, they're they're badasses, right yeah, but

661
00:36:50.960 --> 00:36:55.360
this is Private Ryane. These guys are legitimately terrified of

662
00:36:55.480 --> 00:36:58.079
this mission. And you know there's a little bit of

663
00:36:58.159 --> 00:37:01.800
shit talking between them. You know, uh you know what

664
00:37:01.840 --> 00:37:05.039
about you what you know, Like I just yeah, I

665
00:37:05.079 --> 00:37:08.000
now that you said saving Private Ryan. I'm I'm loving

666
00:37:08.039 --> 00:37:11.400
that scene more absolutely. And here's what's great about it.

667
00:37:11.679 --> 00:37:15.280
We it's inner cut with our introduction. They're they're talking

668
00:37:15.280 --> 00:37:16.960
about this guy and we're like, well, he sounds like,

669
00:37:17.800 --> 00:37:21.360
you know, one bad mother, But uh, how bad could

670
00:37:21.360 --> 00:37:24.320
he be? And we cut to this, you know, this

671
00:37:24.400 --> 00:37:28.519
average looking dude eating some noodles. I'm like, this is

672
00:37:28.519 --> 00:37:35.199
who they're afraid of. But let's talk about Tama executing

673
00:37:35.360 --> 00:37:38.639
five guys in front of him. I don't know who

674
00:37:38.639 --> 00:37:39.719
they are. We don't know who they are.

675
00:37:39.719 --> 00:37:40.719
We don't need to know them.

676
00:37:40.719 --> 00:37:42.880
But are these guys that failed like these were some

677
00:37:42.920 --> 00:37:45.920
of his his soldiers that that failed him? Were the

678
00:37:46.000 --> 00:37:48.519
Are these people that live in the building that won't

679
00:37:48.559 --> 00:37:51.239
fall in line? And we don't know. All we know

680
00:37:51.360 --> 00:37:55.719
is that five guys are duct taped on their knees

681
00:37:56.320 --> 00:38:00.039
in front of a large sheet of plastic. Now, I

682
00:38:00.039 --> 00:38:02.159
don't know about you, Dave, but when I see a

683
00:38:02.199 --> 00:38:04.480
large sheet on the plastic on the floor and I

684
00:38:04.480 --> 00:38:07.480
don't see buckets of paint, it's over. I know someone's

685
00:38:07.480 --> 00:38:09.920
about to get whacked. I'm not going anywhere near the

686
00:38:09.920 --> 00:38:13.440
plastic man, you know. And I'm sitting there like, why

687
00:38:13.440 --> 00:38:17.039
are these why are these guys willingly on their knees

688
00:38:18.000 --> 00:38:20.039
Because he picks up what is it like a forty five?

689
00:38:20.079 --> 00:38:26.559
I think, yeah, And one by one is just putting

690
00:38:26.599 --> 00:38:28.800
bullets in the back of their heads and and they're

691
00:38:28.840 --> 00:38:30.880
all terrified. They're watching the guy in like the first

692
00:38:30.920 --> 00:38:34.880
guy drops the second guy, Hey, third guy, get up

693
00:38:34.920 --> 00:38:37.199
and run, like at least die running, you know, or

694
00:38:38.440 --> 00:38:40.320
you know he's behind you head bud ym and the dick,

695
00:38:40.360 --> 00:38:43.480
I don't know, just do something, you know. But no

696
00:38:44.559 --> 00:38:46.320
fifth guy get.

697
00:38:46.199 --> 00:38:47.599
Which is brutal, the most brutal.

698
00:38:47.840 --> 00:38:50.880
Oh well you're like, we know what's going on here

699
00:38:51.280 --> 00:38:54.559
because he pulls the trigger click click click. Oh this

700
00:38:54.639 --> 00:38:56.719
is one of those the last guy lifts to tell

701
00:38:56.760 --> 00:39:01.159
the tale or last guy, Hey, don't fail me again. Yeah, Tama,

702
00:39:01.519 --> 00:39:04.679
who is who's just can we say he's got charisma,

703
00:39:04.840 --> 00:39:08.440
hes got personality. He lays the gun on the guy's

704
00:39:08.440 --> 00:39:12.079
shoulder and says, you know, uh, hold on, watch this

705
00:39:12.159 --> 00:39:15.440
for me, Watch this for me, goes to the drawer

706
00:39:16.239 --> 00:39:19.440
of his desk, opens it. There's there's bullets, you know,

707
00:39:19.519 --> 00:39:20.320
rolling around in there.

708
00:39:20.599 --> 00:39:22.760
Yeah, well you might gonna get but no he doesn't.

709
00:39:22.880 --> 00:39:24.760
No, he doesn't get that. He gets a cla there's

710
00:39:24.760 --> 00:39:29.920
a claw hammer that he picks up and just destroys

711
00:39:29.960 --> 00:39:32.599
this guy's skull. I mean, and it's one shot, like

712
00:39:32.679 --> 00:39:35.679
I I appreciate you know when you see a hammer

713
00:39:35.719 --> 00:39:39.119
and you know someone's gonna die by hammer. Typically Hollywood

714
00:39:39.119 --> 00:39:41.360
tells us we're gonna it's gonna take like sixteen hits

715
00:39:42.079 --> 00:39:44.440
and it's gonna get it's gonna get ugly. The way

716
00:39:44.440 --> 00:39:48.559
he shoots this, I'm like, the guy is dead on impact, Like,

717
00:39:48.599 --> 00:39:52.480
oh that swing of that hammer, there's no way what was.

718
00:39:52.480 --> 00:39:54.880
It was a cool editing trick too, because when when

719
00:39:54.880 --> 00:39:57.280
the hammer was coming down the the camera swung with

720
00:39:57.480 --> 00:40:00.920
the hammer the camera and then it quickly quickly cut

721
00:40:01.159 --> 00:40:02.679
back to the swat team in the van. I thought

722
00:40:02.679 --> 00:40:03.519
that was fantastic.

723
00:40:03.880 --> 00:40:07.000
Yeah, And immediately now we see like the guys shake

724
00:40:07.039 --> 00:40:10.199
it like holding their rifles and there's a little shaky yep. Now,

725
00:40:10.239 --> 00:40:14.559
I now I totally understand why these guys are terrified.

726
00:40:16.320 --> 00:40:17.920
Not a noteworthy see, but I just got to point

727
00:40:17.920 --> 00:40:20.119
it out because we didn't talk about the guy. I

728
00:40:20.119 --> 00:40:22.840
didn't look up his name, so I apologize, but I

729
00:40:22.880 --> 00:40:26.079
want to mention the h the arrival of the lieutenant.

730
00:40:26.679 --> 00:40:31.159
Oh why okay, yeah, okay, but yeah, but here's the thing, man,

731
00:40:32.760 --> 00:40:36.239
These guys like uh Rama says like you know, let's

732
00:40:36.440 --> 00:40:39.760
or the chaka the sergeant says, gear up.

733
00:40:40.320 --> 00:40:42.960
These guys are all like head to toe, you know,

734
00:40:43.159 --> 00:40:46.880
black fatigues, riot gear, the help. They look they're ready,

735
00:40:46.920 --> 00:40:50.800
they're ready to rumble. The older lieutenant he's got like

736
00:40:50.800 --> 00:40:55.840
a aaa polo golf pants on. He's wearing the flat

737
00:40:55.920 --> 00:40:59.719
jacket over was he on his way to the golf course?

738
00:40:59.760 --> 00:41:00.880
What church looked? Like?

739
00:41:00.880 --> 00:41:03.679
Why is he wearing? You're like, did you not get

740
00:41:03.719 --> 00:41:07.239
the memo? Like, hey, we're going into the deadliest part

741
00:41:07.280 --> 00:41:12.719
of town too, you know, full assault on this uh,

742
00:41:12.840 --> 00:41:13.920
this criminal organization.

743
00:41:14.679 --> 00:41:17.320
No, he didn't get the memo. Apparently, Well maybe he's

744
00:41:17.320 --> 00:41:19.119
gonna golfing after it. We don't know.

745
00:41:19.679 --> 00:41:23.679
Maybe maybe yeah, I don't know, but I just I

746
00:41:23.840 --> 00:41:25.280
it took me out of the moment, out of the movie,

747
00:41:25.320 --> 00:41:27.599
just for a moment, because I was like, here's this

748
00:41:27.679 --> 00:41:31.320
cheese dick, Like he clearly is not gonna make it.

749
00:41:31.360 --> 00:41:33.239
You know, he's he's the first guy to get shot

750
00:41:33.480 --> 00:41:34.000
and he's not.

751
00:41:34.400 --> 00:41:34.800
He's not.

752
00:41:35.719 --> 00:41:37.679
Not only does he make it out, but you know,

753
00:41:37.760 --> 00:41:39.559
he's becomes a major player.

754
00:41:39.679 --> 00:41:42.000
I just it makes it even worth it when you

755
00:41:42.039 --> 00:41:44.280
find out who he is, like, oh, man, oh yeah,

756
00:41:44.360 --> 00:41:45.400
you're an ass hat.

757
00:41:45.280 --> 00:41:48.559
Dude, exactly, man, And I'm just like, this guy's just

758
00:41:48.639 --> 00:41:51.880
running around and his old navy outfit, and I'm like,

759
00:41:52.480 --> 00:42:00.599
what's going on? But justatig, Dave, let's talk. Let's still.

760
00:42:00.679 --> 00:42:03.840
I got a little math for you. Okay, you tell

761
00:42:03.840 --> 00:42:05.360
me what the answer is. I'm gonna I'm gonna give

762
00:42:05.360 --> 00:42:07.000
you the math problem. You give me the answer.

763
00:42:07.519 --> 00:42:07.760
Okay.

764
00:42:07.960 --> 00:42:13.360
Refrigerator plus propane tank plus grenade.

765
00:42:13.400 --> 00:42:16.760
Equals lots of explosion to death.

766
00:42:18.000 --> 00:42:21.480
What the hell of an explod Like awesome moment, right right, Absolutely,

767
00:42:22.119 --> 00:42:25.079
you take the propane tank and it's we got to hiss,

768
00:42:25.079 --> 00:42:27.760
so you know, that's okay, We're clearly something's gonna blow up.

769
00:42:28.400 --> 00:42:30.559
Then they put in the frigerator and like, what are

770
00:42:30.559 --> 00:42:31.320
you doing?

771
00:42:30.960 --> 00:42:32.079
What's what's going on here?

772
00:42:32.760 --> 00:42:34.559
Because they are you know, some of the cops are

773
00:42:34.639 --> 00:42:38.599
pinned into an apartment building. There's like thirty guys with

774
00:42:38.800 --> 00:42:41.920
machetes and machine guns outside trying to you know, and

775
00:42:41.960 --> 00:42:44.800
again it's like that that zombie mode. That's what these

776
00:42:44.800 --> 00:42:47.320
bad guys are all about, trying to trying to bust

777
00:42:47.360 --> 00:42:50.880
through the door. And this one cop says, hey, as

778
00:42:50.880 --> 00:42:54.800
soon as I shut the fridge door, flip it, turn

779
00:42:55.119 --> 00:42:58.159
turn around. Then he tosses a hand grenade in it,

780
00:42:58.239 --> 00:43:01.840
and then they turn it towards the door. Great shot

781
00:43:02.360 --> 00:43:04.519
because now we're on the outside of the apartment building

782
00:43:04.639 --> 00:43:07.519
mm hmm, or the sorry the now now we're on

783
00:43:07.559 --> 00:43:11.760
the outside of the uh the apartment door. Yeah, and

784
00:43:11.800 --> 00:43:15.280
we just watched the the bad guy their cannon fodder

785
00:43:15.320 --> 00:43:19.519
and it's just a giant fireball consumes everybody and explodes them.

786
00:43:19.559 --> 00:43:21.239
You know, they're all over the walls.

787
00:43:20.880 --> 00:43:22.320
Yeah, great shot.

788
00:43:22.360 --> 00:43:26.440
That's like way to go again. Anything can be used

789
00:43:26.440 --> 00:43:30.000
as a weapon, including refrigerator.

790
00:43:30.159 --> 00:43:32.280
Dude, how about that really cool shot where the shotgun

791
00:43:32.320 --> 00:43:34.880
goes off where it's the slow motion you get the

792
00:43:34.920 --> 00:43:38.679
flames coming out. Oh my god, that was so beautifully done.

793
00:43:38.960 --> 00:43:43.119
Yeah, think about this. Every weapon on set they're they're

794
00:43:43.159 --> 00:43:46.239
using the airsoft guns, little pelt guns, and then they're

795
00:43:46.239 --> 00:43:51.639
doing like in Post, they're doing the right machete in

796
00:43:51.639 --> 00:43:54.519
the wall. Dave, my god, you know what I'm talking about.

797
00:43:54.679 --> 00:43:55.920
That's one of my favorite scenes.

798
00:43:56.159 --> 00:43:58.840
This is a horror movie scene. Yes, it ever was.

799
00:43:59.039 --> 00:44:01.280
First off, you get that shot looking down, remember that

800
00:44:01.360 --> 00:44:04.480
Jason shot where you're looking down you see the wall,

801
00:44:04.480 --> 00:44:08.079
but you see like rama behind the wall, and then

802
00:44:08.079 --> 00:44:10.679
you see was that mad? No, it wasn't mad. Dog

803
00:44:10.760 --> 00:44:11.559
was the machete guy.

804
00:44:11.960 --> 00:44:13.440
Yeah, we'll just call a machetty guy.

805
00:44:13.519 --> 00:44:15.679
Yeah, who was like, you know, tapping the wall, and

806
00:44:15.679 --> 00:44:18.280
then he starts stabbing through the wall and then it

807
00:44:18.360 --> 00:44:21.719
goes slices, just the cheek of Rama dude that and

808
00:44:21.719 --> 00:44:24.400
then you get that camera shot where the machine he

809
00:44:24.480 --> 00:44:26.920
let's go to the machetes walked away and the camera

810
00:44:27.119 --> 00:44:29.639
slowly moves in on that machete. Oh my god, it

811
00:44:29.679 --> 00:44:30.639
was a brilliant shot.

812
00:44:30.920 --> 00:44:32.679
This shot is so good because, like you know, this

813
00:44:32.760 --> 00:44:35.159
is a situation. At this point, there are decent people

814
00:44:35.199 --> 00:44:37.800
that live in this apartment building and they just don't

815
00:44:37.800 --> 00:44:40.800
want to be involved, and this poor guy and his

816
00:44:40.880 --> 00:44:44.199
sick wife. They take pity on Rama and his injured partner.

817
00:44:44.239 --> 00:44:47.239
They let him in. This guy's got like a a

818
00:44:47.320 --> 00:44:50.960
hiding spot. He's got like a false false wall we

819
00:44:51.000 --> 00:44:53.440
can hide. I don't know what that's about, but it's awesome.

820
00:44:55.159 --> 00:44:59.559
But machete guy comes in. He sees the wall is

821
00:44:59.599 --> 00:45:05.119
clearly like not load bearing, but he starts just slicing

822
00:45:05.119 --> 00:45:08.760
the dice jam stabbing away at it. And I love

823
00:45:08.800 --> 00:45:11.639
the shot because it's like we're watching the knife come

824
00:45:11.679 --> 00:45:14.519
through the wall and it's getting closer and closer to

825
00:45:14.639 --> 00:45:17.679
Rama and his partner, and then that last moment where

826
00:45:18.639 --> 00:45:21.519
you know hear it and the camera pans up and

827
00:45:21.639 --> 00:45:26.840
it is just like a millimeter into his cheek. I

828
00:45:26.880 --> 00:45:28.840
was like, and he's just holding it because his buddy

829
00:45:28.880 --> 00:45:34.039
is like agonizing pain and he's covering his mouth. Stay quiet.

830
00:45:34.239 --> 00:45:38.920
But here's where his buddy gets my respect, because you're thinking, like, Okay,

831
00:45:39.079 --> 00:45:40.920
when the dude pulls the machete out of the wall

832
00:45:40.920 --> 00:45:44.480
because he gets in a fight with the tenant ten

833
00:45:44.519 --> 00:45:45.920
it's trying to get him out of there. And I

834
00:45:45.960 --> 00:45:49.360
love the moment where I'm thinking, wait, when he pulls out,

835
00:45:49.360 --> 00:45:52.280
he's going to notice the blood on his machines. I

836
00:45:52.320 --> 00:45:56.559
love the fact that the partner raises his hand puts

837
00:45:56.639 --> 00:46:00.599
like rests his fingertips on the blade yep, with his

838
00:46:00.679 --> 00:46:03.920
gloves and as the machete is was is pulled out

839
00:46:03.960 --> 00:46:06.840
of the wall, his gloves are cleaning the blood off

840
00:46:06.880 --> 00:46:10.199
the blade. That is one of the most brilliant shots

841
00:46:10.239 --> 00:46:10.760
in this movie.

842
00:46:10.800 --> 00:46:14.159
It's such an awesome I was even thinking he's gonna

843
00:46:14.159 --> 00:46:15.880
pull out, I gonna see the blood and somebody's back there.

844
00:46:15.920 --> 00:46:17.039
And then when he did that, I was like, Oh

845
00:46:17.079 --> 00:46:18.079
my god, that's awesome.

846
00:46:18.480 --> 00:46:21.159
Yeah, wait to way to earn your keep injured injured cop.

847
00:46:21.440 --> 00:46:23.360
Absolutely love that one.

848
00:46:23.400 --> 00:46:23.599
Man.

849
00:46:24.119 --> 00:46:26.880
Uh, just just an awesome moment I got. I got

850
00:46:26.880 --> 00:46:29.119
a couple more I don't, and you know, maybe maybe

851
00:46:29.159 --> 00:46:32.960
I'm skipping one. And if I do, there's so mudy

852
00:46:32.960 --> 00:46:34.239
in that word. I don't want to talk about the

853
00:46:34.239 --> 00:46:38.639
whole movie. But yeah, uh, you know, back to our

854
00:46:38.519 --> 00:46:42.960
our man, mad Dog. Let's talk JOCKO versus mad Dog.

855
00:46:44.519 --> 00:46:47.960
So we have this this mech this that's like standoff

856
00:46:48.000 --> 00:46:53.519
moment in the hallway and jocka the sergeant, his firearm's gone.

857
00:46:54.199 --> 00:46:57.159
He it's like a spin move and a freeze and

858
00:46:57.199 --> 00:47:00.119
like Jack has got the knife pointed out him and

859
00:47:00.159 --> 00:47:02.440
mad Dog's got a gun pointed at his face. And

860
00:47:02.480 --> 00:47:04.039
I was like, well, thanks for playing Joka.

861
00:47:04.400 --> 00:47:04.800
It's over.

862
00:47:05.400 --> 00:47:09.400
It's over. But then Jaka is like, wait, he's got me.

863
00:47:09.920 --> 00:47:13.440
Mad Dog kind of motions him to stand up and

864
00:47:13.480 --> 00:47:16.960
then backs him into the room, the empty room, and

865
00:47:17.000 --> 00:47:18.519
I'm like, oh, well, why is he Why is he

866
00:47:18.559 --> 00:47:19.800
going to hide the fact that you know, why does

867
00:47:19.840 --> 00:47:22.519
he want to kill him off from everyone else? Nope,

868
00:47:23.239 --> 00:47:26.119
Here is where mad Dog becomes my favorite guy in

869
00:47:26.159 --> 00:47:30.719
the movie gets our respect a villain, Dave earning your respect.

870
00:47:30.840 --> 00:47:35.239
That's that's unprecedented, right. But he's he's got like this

871
00:47:35.280 --> 00:47:38.599
moment where he has like a little little monologue. He

872
00:47:38.639 --> 00:47:41.400
goes and puts his gun down on the counter. He

873
00:47:42.400 --> 00:47:45.440
you know, empty is a chamber. He does everything, and

874
00:47:45.480 --> 00:47:50.760
he's talking about how he doesn't think it's fair, right, Yeah,

875
00:47:51.559 --> 00:47:54.960
and he says, like squeezing a trill. He's like, he's like,

876
00:47:55.000 --> 00:47:57.679
this doesn't excite me. Squeezing a trigger is like ordering takeout.

877
00:47:58.480 --> 00:48:00.159
And he's like, this is what I do, this is

878
00:48:00.159 --> 00:48:02.760
who I am. And he's all in for hand to

879
00:48:02.800 --> 00:48:03.400
hand combat.

880
00:48:03.480 --> 00:48:05.280
Absolutely, dude.

881
00:48:05.440 --> 00:48:06.679
What a great fight sequence.

882
00:48:06.880 --> 00:48:10.199
Yep, it really was. But the next, the one after

883
00:48:10.239 --> 00:48:11.679
this one, it was my favorite one.

884
00:48:12.000 --> 00:48:13.559
Well we'll get to that, but I know you can't

885
00:48:13.559 --> 00:48:16.239
you can't deny, you know. Once he got like a

886
00:48:16.639 --> 00:48:19.280
fifteen hit combo Mortal Kombat style on the on the

887
00:48:19.280 --> 00:48:22.519
sergeant before he snaps his neck. Yeah, this is some

888
00:48:22.559 --> 00:48:25.679
of the best martial arts fighting I've seen, maybe ever

889
00:48:26.039 --> 00:48:26.360
in a.

890
00:48:26.320 --> 00:48:28.800
Movie, because it's so fluid and so quick and so

891
00:48:28.800 --> 00:48:29.320
so bad.

892
00:48:29.760 --> 00:48:34.960
These guys are experts at at pin shot salite so

893
00:48:35.199 --> 00:48:39.440
and it shows, man, it absolutely shows Yep. All right,

894
00:48:39.480 --> 00:48:41.519
so we can we kind of hinted of this. I

895
00:48:41.559 --> 00:48:42.679
don't know how much you want to talk about it.

896
00:48:42.679 --> 00:48:44.559
I don't know if we're spoiling it, but you know,

897
00:48:45.199 --> 00:48:49.239
the whole reveal of the brothers, I want to thought.

898
00:48:49.239 --> 00:48:52.039
I just want to mention it because you know, it's like,

899
00:48:52.840 --> 00:48:56.800
maybe it's the pivotal moment. It's not okay, okay, let's

900
00:48:56.840 --> 00:48:57.559
let's okay.

901
00:48:57.320 --> 00:48:57.840
It really is.

902
00:48:58.599 --> 00:49:01.639
It is. It's the pivotal moment and that it's important

903
00:49:01.639 --> 00:49:04.320
to the story. But we're gonna about to talk about

904
00:49:04.360 --> 00:49:07.639
what the big the money the money maker is but

905
00:49:08.719 --> 00:49:10.280
I want to. I want to bring it up because

906
00:49:11.079 --> 00:49:17.039
I love this movie is not dialogue heavy, right, but

907
00:49:17.079 --> 00:49:18.920
I think I think one of the best lines of

908
00:49:18.920 --> 00:49:23.800
the movie is in this moment because as Rama is

909
00:49:23.840 --> 00:49:26.400
trying to explain to his brother, I'm here to get

910
00:49:26.440 --> 00:49:29.880
you out. I'm here to save you. His brother, who

911
00:49:29.960 --> 00:49:32.719
is like the brains of the criminal empire, you know,

912
00:49:32.760 --> 00:49:34.800
they they they're strange. I haven't seen each other in years.

913
00:49:34.840 --> 00:49:38.039
We get that his brother is saying the same thing.

914
00:49:38.800 --> 00:49:40.719
He's like, no, I'm gonna get you out. I'm here

915
00:49:40.760 --> 00:49:43.199
to save you, because these guys are gonna they're gonna

916
00:49:43.199 --> 00:49:46.679
destroy you. They've already murdered your entire team. And he

917
00:49:47.039 --> 00:49:49.480
tells his brother, like, look, before we go out there,

918
00:49:50.320 --> 00:49:55.199
at least change your clothes, and Rama says, no, this

919
00:49:55.239 --> 00:49:58.159
fits me just fine. And it's going to be a

920
00:49:58.159 --> 00:50:00.320
callback to the you know, we get a call back

921
00:50:00.320 --> 00:50:02.599
to that moment at the end of the movie, you know,

922
00:50:03.199 --> 00:50:07.159
But uh, I was just like, damn, Rama, is he

923
00:50:07.159 --> 00:50:11.480
he is He's Gary Cooper. Now he's he is, he

924
00:50:11.599 --> 00:50:13.679
is a he is the cop. He's not gonna back down,

925
00:50:13.719 --> 00:50:17.039
He's not gonna hide. He's on his mission. He's he's

926
00:50:17.039 --> 00:50:19.320
gonna do it. So I think that one's a great moment.

927
00:50:19.320 --> 00:50:22.119
But uh look, whether it's the pivotal moment or not,

928
00:50:22.239 --> 00:50:25.800
let's let's just call it what it is. The Hallway fights,

929
00:50:25.320 --> 00:50:27.119
of course all incredible.

930
00:50:27.320 --> 00:50:30.639
Dude, I'm telling you, I don't even where to start

931
00:50:30.679 --> 00:50:32.239
with those because they're done so well.

932
00:50:32.280 --> 00:50:36.800
Man, well they are, and I kind of feel like

933
00:50:37.639 --> 00:50:42.880
that it's fair to say the Raid is the blueprint

934
00:50:43.199 --> 00:50:47.360
for a lot of popular action sequences that we've seen

935
00:50:47.360 --> 00:50:54.199
over the years, because when we watched Atomic Blonde mm hmm,

936
00:50:54.800 --> 00:50:57.800
you know which we covered. Our buddy John Wright did

937
00:50:57.800 --> 00:51:02.159
that episode with us. You know, that's got one of

938
00:51:02.159 --> 00:51:05.039
the greatest fight sequences ever Showley. It's their own and

939
00:51:05.079 --> 00:51:08.760
they're fighting like in a hallway, like on the stairwell

940
00:51:09.000 --> 00:51:12.639
up and down the stairs in the apartment building. It's awesome. Uh,

941
00:51:12.719 --> 00:51:14.800
we watched we watched Chris Evans, you know, in the

942
00:51:14.840 --> 00:51:18.239
Winter Soldier mm hmm. You know, before we before we

943
00:51:18.599 --> 00:51:21.199
get started, as anyone want to get out that close

944
00:51:21.320 --> 00:51:25.760
quarter combat, you know, I think Daredevil, Yeah, the hallways scene,

945
00:51:25.800 --> 00:51:29.280
Dared Devil, the hallways scene and Dared Devil. I feel

946
00:51:29.320 --> 00:51:35.039
like this all goes back to the raid because close

947
00:51:35.119 --> 00:51:39.840
quarter combat in a hallway of all places. You know,

948
00:51:40.000 --> 00:51:42.239
I don't know if you've seen it better than what

949
00:51:42.280 --> 00:51:45.559
we see here. And I even I even you know,

950
00:51:45.719 --> 00:51:48.960
like a I think Old Boy mm hmm. And I

951
00:51:49.000 --> 00:51:50.480
don't know if Old Boy was before or after this

952
00:51:50.559 --> 00:51:55.639
movie great hallway fight sequence, but this is the hallway

953
00:51:55.639 --> 00:51:56.280
fight sequence.

954
00:51:56.440 --> 00:51:59.480
Yeah right, this is the daddy of them all. Without questions.

955
00:51:59.519 --> 00:52:03.159
Yeah, yeah, this is It's the measuring stick, yes, like

956
00:52:03.360 --> 00:52:05.599
is it is it? And it's not? I don't think

957
00:52:05.599 --> 00:52:09.039
the question is is it better than the raid. I

958
00:52:09.039 --> 00:52:12.599
think the question is it as good as the raid?

959
00:52:13.039 --> 00:52:15.320
And that's what you say about any action sequence that

960
00:52:15.440 --> 00:52:18.039
is close quarters combat, whether it's a hallway or an

961
00:52:18.039 --> 00:52:20.199
elevator or or whatever the case.

962
00:52:20.239 --> 00:52:22.880
Maybe I couldn't agree more sure.

963
00:52:23.679 --> 00:52:26.280
Let's uh, you mentioned it. We got, we got we

964
00:52:26.320 --> 00:52:28.840
gotta talk about mad dogs, you know, like round two,

965
00:52:28.880 --> 00:52:29.599
like the second fight.

966
00:52:30.079 --> 00:52:32.559
Yeah, and here here he does again, you know, and

967
00:52:32.559 --> 00:52:34.320
where he put the gun down, you know, to be

968
00:52:34.800 --> 00:52:37.719
you get that respect because he wanted to fight the sergeant,

969
00:52:37.800 --> 00:52:40.199
you know, with his hands and everything. He does the

970
00:52:40.199 --> 00:52:43.920
same thing. Here he's beating the crap out of Rama's brother,

971
00:52:44.159 --> 00:52:47.000
who he hears the that going on, so he approaches

972
00:52:47.039 --> 00:52:49.079
the door. We go inside to see, you know, that

973
00:52:49.119 --> 00:52:50.920
his brother is hanging by the ceiling, you know, with

974
00:52:51.000 --> 00:52:55.039
the chains. And then Rama walks in and he lets

975
00:52:55.119 --> 00:52:57.320
him go. He gets him out of the chains, lets

976
00:52:57.400 --> 00:52:59.760
him down, and then let Rama go over, you know,

977
00:53:00.199 --> 00:53:03.679
to release him from the chains, and then they just

978
00:53:04.320 --> 00:53:05.320
beat the crup.

979
00:53:07.559 --> 00:53:10.239
If you weren't a fan of this guy with the

980
00:53:10.239 --> 00:53:13.119
fight with the sergeant, you have to be now because

981
00:53:13.920 --> 00:53:15.800
it's not only that he wants a fair fight. He

982
00:53:15.880 --> 00:53:19.559
wants a challenge. Right, hold on, wait, let me let

983
00:53:19.639 --> 00:53:23.360
me let your brother go. You know, I'll fight both

984
00:53:23.360 --> 00:53:26.559
of you. How about that? It's so good, man, it

985
00:53:26.679 --> 00:53:29.840
is so damn good it is.

986
00:53:30.480 --> 00:53:32.039
It was almost like you didn't want it to end

987
00:53:32.079 --> 00:53:34.159
the way it ended because mad Dog was just so

988
00:53:34.320 --> 00:53:36.039
damn good at what he was doing. I was like, Man,

989
00:53:36.039 --> 00:53:37.480
I don't want this guy to die.

990
00:53:38.119 --> 00:53:40.440
You know. I you know, I can already tell you.

991
00:53:40.559 --> 00:53:42.519
The one thing I don't like about The Raid Part two,

992
00:53:44.000 --> 00:53:46.239
even though I've not seen it. What they had don't

993
00:53:46.320 --> 00:53:48.280
like is that mad Dog's not in the movie. Man right,

994
00:53:49.599 --> 00:53:52.079
our boy you yhan is uh, He's not gonna be there.

995
00:53:52.159 --> 00:53:55.199
So I wonder if he did the choreographing though he

996
00:53:55.280 --> 00:53:56.639
had to have well packed that up.

997
00:53:56.920 --> 00:54:02.440
Yeah, Dave, I know, Tipic, you know, when we're wrapping

998
00:54:02.480 --> 00:54:04.280
things up, we would we would, you know, would say, hey,

999
00:54:04.320 --> 00:54:06.920
you know, if someone's new to this director and they

1000
00:54:06.960 --> 00:54:10.000
wanted to see more of their work, what would you recommend? Yeah,

1001
00:54:10.199 --> 00:54:14.920
I'm just gonna be transparent here. Gareth Evans has done

1002
00:54:15.239 --> 00:54:19.039
the Raid, He's done the Raid part two. He did

1003
00:54:19.039 --> 00:54:22.800
that movie manatew that we talked about mentioned, and other

1004
00:54:22.800 --> 00:54:25.599
than that, I I know that he's got this Gangs

1005
00:54:25.599 --> 00:54:29.079
of London TV series he co created, Never Seen, don't

1006
00:54:29.320 --> 00:54:30.840
never Seen. I haven't seen it yet. I'm gonna I

1007
00:54:30.840 --> 00:54:32.159
want to check it out there. I'm a fan of

1008
00:54:32.199 --> 00:54:32.519
this guy.

1009
00:54:32.639 --> 00:54:34.960
Well, yeah, I'm saying, great director from here.

1010
00:54:35.679 --> 00:54:39.239
And and Havoc, Tom Hardy, did you see the trailer

1011
00:54:39.239 --> 00:54:42.519
for this one? This it looks awesome And I had

1012
00:54:42.559 --> 00:54:45.480
no clue. I love I love how the universe is

1013
00:54:45.519 --> 00:54:48.079
just kind of aligned here, and like James Buckleer is

1014
00:54:48.079 --> 00:54:50.239
like I'd love to hear about the Raid, and we're

1015
00:54:50.239 --> 00:54:53.119
talking about it, and and Gareth just happens to have

1016
00:54:53.159 --> 00:54:55.599
a movie coming out just a few days earlier.

1017
00:54:56.880 --> 00:55:00.480
Job James, call this one, buddy, Yeah, actually for the

1018
00:55:00.480 --> 00:55:01.159
win once more.

1019
00:55:02.960 --> 00:55:05.880
Yeah, but Havoc, it just looks awesome.

1020
00:55:07.360 --> 00:55:07.679
Uh.

1021
00:55:07.760 --> 00:55:11.480
You know, I'm not gonna I'm not gonna discuss my

1022
00:55:11.599 --> 00:55:14.639
ongoing aggravation with Netflix and why I'm not a Netflix

1023
00:55:14.679 --> 00:55:17.280
guy right now. But uh, okay, I'll watch it. I'm

1024
00:55:17.280 --> 00:55:20.519
telling you, if I might be, I might have to

1025
00:55:20.519 --> 00:55:22.280
break down here. I might I might have to go

1026
00:55:22.320 --> 00:55:25.400
back to Netflix just to watch watch Havoc. But uh,

1027
00:55:26.159 --> 00:55:29.440
but yeah, you're a subscriber, so you tell me if

1028
00:55:29.440 --> 00:55:31.559
I got you know, if I need to watch it

1029
00:55:31.559 --> 00:55:31.960
this weekend.

1030
00:55:31.960 --> 00:55:34.400
We tell me, yeah, absolutely, well you don't gonna watch

1031
00:55:34.400 --> 00:55:35.519
it now because of this film, so.

1032
00:55:35.519 --> 00:55:38.800
Well yeah, I know, yeah, well we we definitely recommend

1033
00:55:38.840 --> 00:55:41.719
this one right oh by four? Yes, what'd you watch?

1034
00:55:41.760 --> 00:55:41.920
Is that?

1035
00:55:42.039 --> 00:55:42.199
Dave?

1036
00:55:42.960 --> 00:55:45.360
I actually caught this on I rented on Amazon Prime.

1037
00:55:46.239 --> 00:55:49.280
Okay, so I'm glad you said Prime. That's where I

1038
00:55:49.320 --> 00:55:53.320
watched it. Uh, listeners, you have an option here because

1039
00:55:53.360 --> 00:55:55.039
I you know, sometimes you see Prime it's like, wait,

1040
00:55:55.039 --> 00:55:58.280
why is it showing it twice? There's an unrated version.

1041
00:55:58.400 --> 00:56:00.599
Did you watch the regular, the theatrical or the unrated?

1042
00:56:00.960 --> 00:56:02.559
I'm not sure which want I watch. To be honest

1043
00:56:02.599 --> 00:56:04.639
with you, I didn't pay attention to that.

1044
00:56:04.920 --> 00:56:08.599
Uh, but that's what. Yeah, I watched the unrated version.

1045
00:56:08.840 --> 00:56:12.960
It's like one hundred and two minutes. Okay, So I

1046
00:56:13.000 --> 00:56:16.039
can't tell you. I was hoping you'd say, you know,

1047
00:56:16.039 --> 00:56:17.760
when we were talking scenes, I was hoping if you

1048
00:56:17.760 --> 00:56:19.280
you were about to say, I never saw that. What

1049
00:56:19.320 --> 00:56:22.599
are you talking about? But I'm guessing maybe, just based

1050
00:56:22.639 --> 00:56:25.039
on what the movie's about and what the what we see,

1051
00:56:25.480 --> 00:56:27.760
I'm guessing that the unrated version is probably it's a

1052
00:56:27.760 --> 00:56:29.440
little more graphic with the smell of violence.

1053
00:56:29.719 --> 00:56:31.559
That's what I'm assuming gotta be.

1054
00:56:31.679 --> 00:56:35.840
But uh, listen, listeners. If you love action movies, particularly

1055
00:56:36.280 --> 00:56:39.519
Atomic Blonde, John Wick, Dread, The Winter Soldier, or the

1056
00:56:39.599 --> 00:56:42.760
Daredevil series, this is a must watch.

1057
00:56:43.079 --> 00:56:44.960
Absolutely, it is well.

1058
00:56:44.880 --> 00:56:48.079
For those of you that have seen it, what do

1059
00:56:48.119 --> 00:56:50.239
you think about it? You can let us know on

1060
00:56:50.280 --> 00:56:52.920
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1061
00:56:53.559 --> 00:56:55.480
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1062
00:56:55.519 --> 00:56:59.239
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1063
00:56:59.239 --> 00:57:01.639
the platform of your Dave. We've been writing some articles

1064
00:57:01.800 --> 00:57:04.440
here and there, having some fun there. That's all there.

1065
00:57:04.559 --> 00:57:07.000
And I got to point this out. You know, we

1066
00:57:07.400 --> 00:57:09.599
always are like, hey, go back and check out this episode.

1067
00:57:09.639 --> 00:57:11.400
We didn't season two, we didn't season three. We did

1068
00:57:11.440 --> 00:57:13.760
it last year. You gotta be honest, Dave. We're up

1069
00:57:13.800 --> 00:57:17.480
to like three hundred eighty plus episodes, loosing on four hundred.

1070
00:57:17.480 --> 00:57:19.440
That can be yeah, we're closing down on four hundred,

1071
00:57:20.920 --> 00:57:23.280
but that can be a little tedious, like I wonder

1072
00:57:23.320 --> 00:57:24.639
what they got, or I wonder I'd like to I'd

1073
00:57:24.679 --> 00:57:26.840
like to go back where I find it. Listeners, if

1074
00:57:26.840 --> 00:57:30.199
you go to our website and you click the episode's tab.

1075
00:57:31.039 --> 00:57:34.519
The little drop down box will break it down for

1076
00:57:34.599 --> 00:57:38.199
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1077
00:57:38.360 --> 00:57:40.840
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1079
00:57:43.320 --> 00:57:46.719
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1080
00:57:46.800 --> 00:57:50.440
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1081
00:57:50.480 --> 00:57:52.519
You click that link. We'll check out ninety eighty six.

1082
00:57:52.559 --> 00:57:55.480
You want to check out nineteen seventy six, It's all there, Dave,

1083
00:57:55.679 --> 00:57:59.119
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1084
00:57:59.159 --> 00:58:01.440
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1085
00:58:01.440 --> 00:58:04.599
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1086
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1087
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1088
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Ask James Buckley about that swag.

1089
00:58:12.519 --> 00:58:14.199
He's he knows pretty much.

1090
00:58:14.199 --> 00:58:14.920
He's got it all.

1091
00:58:14.920 --> 00:58:16.039
He's got it all.

1092
00:58:16.159 --> 00:58:20.039
He's got it all. Next week, Dave, we're in the

1093
00:58:20.039 --> 00:58:20.559
month of May.

1094
00:58:21.079 --> 00:58:21.400
We are.

1095
00:58:22.159 --> 00:58:26.400
It's Bill Paxton Month. All month long, we'll be celebrating

1096
00:58:26.440 --> 00:58:30.719
the career of Bill Paxton with movies starring Bill Paxton

1097
00:58:31.559 --> 00:58:36.239
and movies directed by Bill Paxton. Amber Lewis will be

1098
00:58:36.280 --> 00:58:39.800
here next week. We've got Dayton Johnson from the docu

1099
00:58:39.840 --> 00:58:43.360
based seventy seven podcast with us, Jason Colvin from the

1100
00:58:43.400 --> 00:58:45.360
show That You Can't Be Serious Podcast will be here,

1101
00:58:46.000 --> 00:58:47.519
and David, you're getting in on.

1102
00:58:47.480 --> 00:58:48.599
This too, right.

1103
00:58:49.559 --> 00:58:52.079
Yeah, we think you picked that?

1104
00:58:52.239 --> 00:58:52.320
Was it?

1105
00:58:52.440 --> 00:58:53.000
Indian Summer?

1106
00:58:53.039 --> 00:58:55.360
Indian Summer? Yeah? Absolutely? I can't be left out of

1107
00:58:55.400 --> 00:58:57.639
Bill Paxton. Come on, man, No, I knew you wouldn't.

1108
00:58:57.639 --> 00:59:00.159
But yeah, I'm excited because I know you know went

1109
00:59:00.199 --> 00:59:01.119
the same summer camp.

1110
00:59:01.119 --> 00:59:03.679
So we did. I can't wait to talk about that one.

1111
00:59:04.039 --> 00:59:06.480
Yeah, we'll talk about it. Uh, we'll talk about next month.

1112
00:59:07.199 --> 00:59:13.079
Until then, Dave as always a pleasure. Thank you for

1113
00:59:13.280 --> 00:59:17.760
joining me for this. Uh this Patreon request from uh

1114
00:59:17.920 --> 00:59:20.920
mister Buckley. Did you did I tell you? I asked him?

1115
00:59:21.159 --> 00:59:22.840
You know when he when he when he told us

1116
00:59:23.079 --> 00:59:25.519
this is that this was his choice. You know, we

1117
00:59:25.559 --> 00:59:28.639
got we got a pretty pretty solid crew now we do.

1118
00:59:28.840 --> 00:59:32.239
So it's like, hey, you know, James who you want

1119
00:59:32.239 --> 00:59:36.119
on the episode? He who you want co hosting? He's like, uh,

1120
00:59:36.880 --> 00:59:39.440
was David Burns a hilable? It's like he will he

1121
00:59:39.480 --> 00:59:42.840
will be You're the You're you're at the producer tire.

1122
00:59:42.920 --> 00:59:45.000
You know you want David Byrd's like, get you, Dave Bird.

1123
00:59:45.960 --> 00:59:48.960
Well, thanks James, but again you you have steered us

1124
00:59:48.960 --> 00:59:51.119
to another awesome film. Thank you for that.

1125
00:59:51.719 --> 00:59:53.519
Thank you, and uh to all of you listening to

1126
00:59:53.559 --> 00:59:56.760
the show, following us on social media and subscribing to

1127
00:59:56.760 --> 01:00:01.039
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1128
01:00:01.119 --> 01:00:03.920
Patreon member, and all the other patron members. We think

1129
01:00:04.000 --> 01:00:13.320
you