Feb. 23, 2025

George A. Romero - Monkey Shines

George A. Romero - Monkey Shines
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Season 6A Film By...

This week, Jeff and David debate the advantages and life-threatening disadvantages of keeping a service monkey in the house. Ella may be housebroken, but she's also homicidal in George A. Romero's psychological horror film, Monkey Shines!

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So it's helping hands in Monkey College. Two nonprofit organizations

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that actually train monkeys to assist people with disabilities.

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This is a real thing.

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It's a real thing. Yeah, these are these are actual places.

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And you know, because there's all types of service animals,

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but predominantly it's it's dogs. But these two places actually

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train monkeys to be service animals.

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Now interesting.

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I want you to I want you to think about

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think about this. These monkeys because they're known for you know, uh,

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Capuchin monkeys specifically are known for their intelligence and their

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ability to use tools. Here's what they train them to do, Dave.

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They can fetch objects, they can turn switches, they can

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open bottles, open drawers and doors. They can reposition a

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heavy human limb. They can insert straws. Here's and here's

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the one we like. They can operate CDs and DVDs

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and blue roars. They can turn pages of a book,

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and they can they can offer a drink. Now, I

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don't know if that means they're they're buying you a drink,

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they're making you a drink, but you know you're getting

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a drinks one way or the other.

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It sounds like I need one of these around my house.

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I was thinking about that. But here's here's the thing.

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Here's what I need. Here's what I need the service

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monkey to do. I need to make sure that they

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keep my Blu Ray collection in alphabetic order. That's that's

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a challenge. That's that's that's the deal breaker. If you

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can't do it, I don't. I don't want the monkey.

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But you know, the thing is, though the ADA does

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not recognize monkeys as service animals. At one time, I

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think they did, but they it's it's no longer a

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practice because these things can well they can be very

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dangerous when when provoked, and they're known to bite, and

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they're known to spread disease.

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So, oh crap, Okay, never mind that.

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Listen. I want my extensive Blue Rey collection alphaetized, but

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I might have to just do the work myself.

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We don't need to go to that extensive. Good Thanks. Thanks.

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Speaking of capuchin monkeys, let's talk about a film by

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George A. Romero, his nineteen eighty eight underrated psychological horror

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film Monkey Shines. Hello and welcome back. I'm Jeff Johnson.

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I'm David Burns, and this is a film by podcast

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so Dave. Just a few days ago, the Monkey hit theaters.

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Ye didn't we see the trailer for this when we

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went last August to see Last Voyage of the Demeter.

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We sure did, and we were very interested. Then when

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we saw that trailer, we.

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Were very excited. I looked at us and hey, we're

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totally doing Monkey Shines since they're remaking it. Up until

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just now we were like, wait, this is this is

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not a remake.

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A remake, it's you know, it's a you know, you.

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Just assume like you see a creepy little monkey and

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you know. But no. But nevertheless, we decided we're still

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going to talk about Monkey Shines because we haven't. We

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haven't talked about Romero. I mean, you guys were Scott, Yeah,

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you and Scott on our limited series of film at

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forty five, talked about Romero with Dawn of the Dead yep,

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when you did seven. But we haven't covered him on

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a film.

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Buy so, and he just celebrated a birthday too.

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Yeah, his birthday posthumously what the fourth I believe, Yeah,

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I think he would have been eighty five.

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I think I believe he would have been He is fast.

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Yeah, Well, I mean he lived, he lived a great life.

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So he did and gave us a lot of wonderful things.

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exclusive episodes we have available. Back to Romero, Dave.

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That's right, the Godfather of the Dead.

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The man that made zombies a thing. How about some

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how about a couple of facts in a quote?

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Sure, let's hear it.

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So George A. Romero began his career as an industrial filmmaker,

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directing commercials, promotional featurettes, and industrial training films, and most notably,

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he shot short films that were used on mister rogers

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neighborhood in nineteen sixty eight.

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That's right.

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I want you to think about this, young Georgi Romerow

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in nineteen sixty eight is shooting things that mister Rogers

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is going to promote on his show, and he's creating

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Night of the Living Dead in the same year.

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I like it.

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Wow, Yeah, talk about opposite ends of the spectrum.

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That's right, I love it.

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Discussing his influences, he once said that the universal horror

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classics made a strong impression on him, but his favorite

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horror film was nineteen fifty one's The Thing from Another World?

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Interesting?

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Yeah, Why is that interesting? Dave?

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We just had a conversation with Docking based seventy seven

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Dayton about that, talking about that movie versus The Thing

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from nineteen eighty.

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Two that listeners If you have not listened to that

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episode yet, that was an absolute blast me, David Dayton,

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you know, sizing up fifty one's The Thing from Another

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World against eighty two's The Thing. Yep, I had, I had,

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I had such a fun time on that one.

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I loved it too.

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Yeah, one of my favorite times.

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Yeah.

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Sadly. On July sixteenth, twenty seventeen, George Romero passed away

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peacefully in his sleep.

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Dave hugely.

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He was it was a loss, but uh, I do

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appreciate the fact that it was peaceful for him. He

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was listening to the score of The Quiet Man, which

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was among his all time favorite films.

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Nice.

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Hundreds of years from now, when when Wayne leaves this earth,

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I wonder what film score he'll he'll he'll put on

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on the you know, to listen to.

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That's a good question, you.

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Hey, yeah, it has to be Goldsmith. We'll find out way.

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Wayne's like a cyborg though, he's like data. He's We

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have a lot we have. We have decades left with Wayne,

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So don't don't worry, listeners. We got plenty of Wayne plenty. Uh.

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And I know we, I know, we we pick on

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these these particular people, uh from time to time. But uh, George.

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Dealing with the studios, George said, quote, I'll never get

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sick of zombies. I just get sick of producers. They're

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not all bad. We know that we know, yes, we know,

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we know. But Dave George A Romero, he is, he's

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the godfather of the zombie film. Is he's most synonymous

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with that that sub genre a horror Yep, and we've

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got something different here. This is Monkey Shines. This is

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a psychological horror film. There are no zombies, no, but

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there's something else lurking in the shadows. You want to

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give us a little synopsis about Monkey Shines?

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Yeah? Absolutely. A man trapped within his own body an

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animal train to read and carry out faults, one with

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a mind for revenge, the other with an instinct for

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carrying out that revenge. Alan Mann a very proud athlete

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in law student who seems to have it all. That

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isn't until a freak accident paralyzes him, changing everything he

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knew forever. Every day, normal things become impossible for him.

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That is when his friend Jeffrey, who has been testing monkeys,

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provides him with an animal of his own to help

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him out. Alan and the monkey Ella become very close,

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even to the point a bond that telepathically connects them together,

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which the monkey uses to carry out evil thoughts that

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quickly gets out of control.

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This is Romero's first studio film. But it's a note

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that after O Ryan Pictures recut the film against his wishes,

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he went straight back to independent filmmaking.

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So I don't blame him.

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I don't. I mean, he would he would return years later.

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I think ninety three he came back. Ironically it was

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Ryan again. But it's uh, that's true. That's true. Yeah,

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mess around with great directors.

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And like what happens there you go.

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Executive producer Gerald Ponessa stated that Romero was chosen for

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this project because of his quote, wonderful, dark sense of humor.

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Mm hmm.

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I get that because the zombie films at their core,

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their satire, they are. I mean, I mean and they

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always have like that, that message, that underlying message to him,

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especially Dona.

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The Dead, Donava Dead specific consume. Yeah, yes, and I

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mean you got to think even the famous they're coming

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to get to you, Barbara. So I mean yeah, I

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mean that's the way George Ramro was, and that's why

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we loved him so much, just because the way he

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was able to bring those things to his projects. Yeah.

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Uh, you know, I'm gonna be firm but fair. Mm hmm.

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There's there's one scene in particular, and uh, there's a

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couple of things I do want to ask you, because

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you know you are you are the director. Uh that

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that's typically on this show. But right from the get

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go the accident, I kind of feel like we could

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have it could have been shot a little bit better.

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You know, you talked about, you know, our our main

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character Alan, he's this athlete, he's a he's in law school.

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M hm, he's he's, you know, doing his morning nude

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yoga and then he goes out for a run and

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he's got his Nike track suit on. Dog kind of

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spooks him and he wanders out into the road and

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gets just smacked hard by a pickup truck and.

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The worst shot probably possible of him ying through the air.

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Come on.

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That looks to Georgim, Yeah, I know. I mean, look,

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we're gonna we're gonna call it like we see it.

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The problem is it's a slow motion. Okay, you just

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see like a slow motion close up of the front

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of the truck, and then you see a slow motion

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of Alan who's doing this. It almost looks like an

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Olympic like a.

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I don't know, it looks like a trampoline it's what

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it looks.

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Yeah, yeah, he's doing and he's like he's kind of

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spinning around very gracefully. It does not look like Havoc

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has just been wrecked. You know, It's like it wasn't scary.

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I am I being fair? Am I being over?

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You were being very fair? And okay again, I had

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not seen this in a really long time. So when

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I'm watching this opening and I'm listening to the score here,

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I'm like, this really feels like a lifetime TV movie.

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It did first with that with that that that music,

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with with the way it opens, and then this this

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accident that happens. That's just it kind of almost pulls

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you out of the film a little bit.

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You know you mentioned the music. Now listen, uh at

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this point in the movie, the music is a little

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very horror like it is not. Yeah, I mean it

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gets better. But I called I called up our buddy

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Wayne say if he wanted to do a scoring session

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for David Schier, the composer. His response was, who like,

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all right, all right, Well He's like, I'm not familiar

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with that guy. It's like, okay, Wayne, we'll get you

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next time.

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I just I just feel like the the scene. You

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don't have to show us the accident, but it could

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have been so much better because have been more traumatic.

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Like think about think about pet Cemetery at the beginning.

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Of that movie, when.

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Pascal or whatever the thing that Victor Pascal, he gets hit.

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it's the sound. I didn't use a lifetime movie sound

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like here.

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is so important. You know, your your audience can forgive

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you for video mistakes, but your audio is very, very important.

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If they would have used a little bit different audio

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sounds here, it might be different. We might be talking

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a little bit differently about this scene.

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Yeah, well, I'll tell you. Let's uh, I do want

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to talk about this cast because we've got some uh,

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some pretty big names in this cast. But let's take

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a quick break before we do that. Welcome back. We

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are talking about George A. Romero's Monkey Shines. Help me

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out here, Dave, is it Jason the gay bigay, big big.

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Big something like that.

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Yeah, I I feel terrible because I'm I'm I know,

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I'm butchering it. He's playing our lead Alan Mann. I

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gotta I gotta tell you, Like I I see him

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and I immediately think of him as Demi Moore's husband

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or boyfriend and g Jane, that's what I was remembering

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from that Monkey Shines. Dude, is it? He's just ripped man.

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He is phenomenal shape. He is I will say Dave

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as someone that that maintains a nice beard. Can we

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just say his beard is bullshit? Come on, yes it is.

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It looks awful.

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Come on, now I'm nitpicking again. We just we just

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nitpicked a scene, the Hope opening scene. But you know,

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he's he's clean shaven, and then you know, he goes

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through surgery, he's paralyzed as quadriplegic, and we kind of

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get that transition of he's been in the hospital for

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a while, so you know he grew beard. But this

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is the most amazing beard of all time. It's majestic.

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You know, it's blonde, flowing locks. I'm like that, you

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don't grow beard like that. It's just and it bothers

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me because like, again, he probably give him some time

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that you know, Jason probably could have grown, you know,

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enough of a beard. It's not like he has to

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look like MacCready and the thing. You just give him

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some scruff, you know, let him, let him grow it.

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Like this, we don't even cast away beard, but it still.

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Well, it just he just looks regal, you know, and

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you don't like in closer shots like I almost feel

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like if I if I had a four K version

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of this, I could see the spirit gum. That's all.

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I'm glad. I'm glad that it's gone. I'm glad that

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it's shaved, you know, before too long. But but what

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do you think about this guy's performance, because like he's

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doing something that I have to believe is very difficult

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for an actor when when you are a physic specimen

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and then you're playing a character that can't move from

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the neck.

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Down right, I can't imagine being able to pull that off.

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And he does extremely well.

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He does the discipline that it takes not to make movements.

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I think he does a sensational job.

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He does, especially like the whole fight sequence there at

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the end, you know, the finale, all of that stuff.

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The way he pulls all that off, I mean, he

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had to obviously make sure he wasn't moving any part

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of his body. I mean, think about it. You have

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the tendency. You want to move your hands or your arms,

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or your shoulder or anything. He doesn't move anything, dude.

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Well, I mean there's scenes where he's got this little

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monkey climbing all over him. The control it needs, he needs,

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just make any movements. And then how about when I

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don't know what they did or how they did it,

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but the scene with Bogie, the little parakeet that's on

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his face.

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Oh yeah, he's snapping at his eyes.

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Yeah, Like, dude, that had to be a real bird.

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This is nineteen eighty eight, right, I mean you can't.

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I know Tom Savini's involved in this in this movie, yep,

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but that bird had to be a real bird, And

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to let one land on your nose and just sit

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there and pick around by your cheeks and your eyeball like,

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no chance, man, I couldn't do it.

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Huh huh. I couldn't either. No way. I'm not afraid

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a bird. But when you're near your eyes, no, thank you'll.

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Yeah, no, I can't do it. John Pancal as his

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buddy Jeff Fisher, has an extensive background on stage and

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in television. Dave. In nineteen eighty two, he replaced Tim

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Curry in the lead role of Wolfgang Amadas Mozart and

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the Broadway production of Amadas. But I gotta tell you,

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I will always remember him as Michael J. Fox's mailrom

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buddy in the Secret of My Success. It's just too

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much fun.

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Yeah, but again, he's a great job in this room.

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Yeah, let's talk about him for a minute. Do you

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get you know, I I've seen this movie a bunch

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of times, and it's been a while since I've seen it.

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But do you get a little bit of a Frankenstein vibe?

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You do? His character absolutely?

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But I mean the first the first scene, he's coming

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into the lab with the monkeys, and he's got a

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human brain, a frozen human brain that he's like, he's

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like carving off pieces. He's got this mad scientist plan

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where he's he's injecting like liquid human brain into monkeys

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to increase their intelligence. I guess, yeah, no good would

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ever come of that. You you know, of course, you've

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done how many Plan of the Apes films do we

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need to see to know? Just leave the monkeys alone,

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you know, let.

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Them be and don't mess with the dead. Come on, man,

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we know this by now.

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Right, Oh well, think about it, Okay, and his the serum.

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M that it's that that neon green. Yeah. I've seen

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Reanimator enough times to know that anytime that a scientist

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has like a neon colored serum that's experimental, it will

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not end well.

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It will not in will, will not in will no

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matter what.

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Yeah, man, no I do I do like this guy. Uh,

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I'll tell you what. I could not get away from

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his theory the whole time I'm watching it because he's

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taking you know, some other he's taken some other drug

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that he's concocting in the lab where he stays awake

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for three days at a time, and you know, Alan's like,

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you know, that's not good for you, and he's like, no, no, no.

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You know he comes up that theory where you know,

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every three days he's gaining another a full twenty four

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hour day, which means he will you know, if he

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dies at fifty, he he got an extra twelve years

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of life.

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Yeah, something like that. Like, oh, I guess there is

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some kind of lotgy behind that.

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Yeah. I'm like, I'm like still, I mean, he's insane,

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but but that's he makes a good point, like maybe

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maybe start pulling a couple of all nighters and I get,

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I get bonus.

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Life, have bonus life. I don't know if it's worth it.

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This well, I mean, he probably not because he looked

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he kind of looked like shit, you know, he's got

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the bags under his eyes and that five, that perpetual

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five o'clock shadow. Yeah, no, thanks, no, thank you, no,

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thank you. I I'll tell you. Yeah, oh god. We'll

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get to him in a second. But let's talk about

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Kate McNeil as Melanie Parker. So yeah, yeah, soap actress

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from As the World Turns. You know, if our friend

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of Menagiantic, who is an expert on the slasher genre

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of horror, if she were here, she'd probably tell us

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about Kate McNeil's leading role in nineteen eighty two's The

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House on Sorority Row.

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Oh yeah, that's right.

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Yeah, I completely forgot that she was in that.

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Me too.

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But aside from that, that monkey shines, I don't know

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where she went. I don't know what, you know.

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And again, I think she's really good in this.

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She's very good.

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Yeah. I like what she does and what she brings

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to the film. And it's just like it's a shame

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that we didn't see more of her in other films.

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You know. Yeah, I think a lot of times horror films,

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action films, they have a tendency to give us an

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absurdly attractive woman who just happens to be like a

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rocket scientist or whatever. And I'm not saying that that

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that can't be a you know, obviously that can be

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the case. But what I think Kate McNeil does really

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well is I believe her intelligence, I believe her character.

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I believe her composure, her strength, the way she handles herself. Absolutely,

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she's one of she's one of the better characters, one

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of the better written characters in the film.

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M hm.

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And I really I really enjoy her even even like

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and I know we'll get into this probably a couple

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of minutes, but even the chemistry she has with Alan,

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I totally bought it. I'm totally I believe you know

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that it's she's just legitimately into the guy and not

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pitying him and not being opportunistic about it. She's just

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she she's just into the guy.

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Well, that's what I love about her character is the

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fact that you know, she's training these monkeys and it's

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her passion that what she wants to do, and she

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you know, she takes that to help people, but the

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person she's helping she falls in love with. I totally

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bought that and believed it that that I you know,

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that really could have happened in real life. Yeah, that

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kind of situation, and I'm sure it has. Well.

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Okay, so let's talk about there's there's two There's two

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characters in this movie that I'm gonna question as far

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as like how necessary they were? The first one and

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one of them I hope, Uh well, we'll get to

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her in a second. Okay, truthfully, I mean, I look,

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I get it's Jendine Turner, but I mean I didn't

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have her in my notes because it's blink and you

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miss her kind of a moment exactly. But I'm talking

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about Joyce Van Patten playing Dorothy Alan's overbearing mother. First off,

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great performance. Oh yeah, although listen, could you imagine talking

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to your mom or could you imagine me talking to

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my mom the what he does to his mom?

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No, because I couldn't do that. There's no way, Dave.

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If I heard you talk about that to your mom,

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I slap the taste out of your mouth, and vice versa.

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Jeff.

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Yeah, yeah, I mean, I get it. She she's very overbearing.

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She's very intrusive. You know, she shows up after his

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accident and she just wants to coddle him and bathe

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him and bathe him, and and I get it. You know,

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you're grown men. You don't want your mom bathing you.

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You know, wasn't she even told that, like, you know,

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you're probably the problem. You need to leave.

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Yeah, yeah, doctor. The doctor says, look, you're you're exacerbating

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the situation. You're making this worse. And she's like, I

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can't believe you'd say that, But and I get it,

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Like I know that we we need her character because

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anytime you're dealing with the horror film, you have to

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have a little bit of cannon fodder, right, you do.

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We gotta we gotta have we have to have a

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couple of bodies stack up when there's a horror movie,

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and you know, so you need some side characters. She

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does get a pretty grizzly demise, you know, blow dryer

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in the in the bathtub.

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That's a couple of times, and they turned the electric

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back on.

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I will forgive Romero for the the the accident at

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the beginning because I love that she you know, she

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get we get the jolt power goes out, and then

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when the hey, the let's when we flip we fix

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the breaker, she just starts going. She gets reanimated like

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a zombie go figure and has a couple more a

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jolts in her. That was kind of cool. I did

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think that was kind of cool. But I don't know

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what how how important to the story do you think

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Dorothy was?

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So I think somebody else could have been in her

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role and we would have been okay with not having her.

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The only thing that I think having her there was

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that emotional connection for Allen, where you know, Melanie is

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gonna be that emotional connection, but you need somebody that

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he's related to his mother who leads us into that

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final fight that we get. So it's true. I feel

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she was a necessity at that point when she did

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show back up, though, I'm like, God, I kind of

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rolled my eyes seeing her again, you know, because I

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just I wasn't fond of her character, but I understand

468
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I think why her character was there. I didn't get

469
00:25:20.920 --> 00:25:22.039
that one, all right.

470
00:25:22.960 --> 00:25:27.720
Moving on, uh, Doctor John Wiseman played by a very young,

471
00:25:28.519 --> 00:25:33.319
very very young Yeah, very young, very fit. Uh Stanley Tucci.

472
00:25:33.680 --> 00:25:38.119
Mm hmm, Dave. Everybody loves when Stanley Tucci shows up

473
00:25:38.160 --> 00:25:40.960
in a movie, but here he's playing a real slam ball.

474
00:25:41.279 --> 00:25:43.599
He is a very slain ball in this movie. Dude,

475
00:25:43.680 --> 00:25:47.839
come odd, really you're going let's talk about a doctor

476
00:25:48.200 --> 00:25:51.440
that overlooks a major concern with your surgery.

477
00:25:52.000 --> 00:25:54.799
Yeah, and steals your girlfriend at the same time.

478
00:25:55.480 --> 00:25:56.519
What the hell? Man?

479
00:25:57.079 --> 00:25:58.880
Yeah, I hadn't seen this in so long. And when

480
00:25:58.880 --> 00:26:01.799
they're all meeting at Allan's for like the welcome home party,

481
00:26:01.799 --> 00:26:03.920
and he gives he kind of gives a side glance

482
00:26:03.960 --> 00:26:07.279
to Jeanine Turner. Yeah, you know, the Allen's girlfriend, Linda.

483
00:26:08.119 --> 00:26:11.119
I'm like, dude, what I never noticed that before. I

484
00:26:11.200 --> 00:26:13.400
didn't either, Stanley tu I're a nice guy. What are

485
00:26:13.400 --> 00:26:13.720
you doing?

486
00:26:14.119 --> 00:26:16.519
Yeah? But the fact to the dude's not even back

487
00:26:16.559 --> 00:26:18.599
home yet from the hospital. She's already like grabbing her

488
00:26:18.599 --> 00:26:19.720
stuff to get the hell out of there.

489
00:26:20.079 --> 00:26:22.000
Oh yeah, how shallow.

490
00:26:22.559 --> 00:26:24.440
That is no thing.

491
00:26:24.480 --> 00:26:24.599
You know.

492
00:26:24.680 --> 00:26:27.079
They got what they deserved, they did.

493
00:26:27.240 --> 00:26:29.599
Stanley Tucci though this, I would say this is his

494
00:26:29.640 --> 00:26:33.519
first prominent role in a film, because before this, he

495
00:26:33.519 --> 00:26:37.240
he played soldier in nineteen eighty five, it's Pritzy's honor.

496
00:26:38.119 --> 00:26:42.200
He was second dock worker in ninety a seven's Who's

497
00:26:42.200 --> 00:26:47.440
that Girl? That's like, yeah, that was his role. And

498
00:26:48.119 --> 00:26:49.960
I'd be remiss if I didn't remind some of our

499
00:26:50.000 --> 00:26:54.920
listeners that he also played two different characters across three

500
00:26:54.960 --> 00:26:56.480
episodes of Miami Vice.

501
00:26:57.160 --> 00:26:58.319
Ah he did, You're right?

502
00:26:58.880 --> 00:27:01.640
Yeah, so yeah, he I think I think season three

503
00:27:01.720 --> 00:27:03.960
he had like a one off episode where he played someone,

504
00:27:04.519 --> 00:27:06.079
and then season four they brought him back and he

505
00:27:06.119 --> 00:27:07.920
was a different guy, but he had like a two

506
00:27:07.920 --> 00:27:10.720
part episode. So yep, Miami Vice.

507
00:27:10.759 --> 00:27:13.119
We love it. Yes, we do. A lot of famous

508
00:27:13.119 --> 00:27:14.000
people came from that show.

509
00:27:14.519 --> 00:27:17.720
Yeah, tell me, tell me about uh, tell me about

510
00:27:17.799 --> 00:27:18.519
Jeffrey's boss.

511
00:27:19.440 --> 00:27:24.599
Go to old mister Stephen Root, who plays uh Burbage Barbage.

512
00:27:24.799 --> 00:27:27.200
This guy is a jerk in this movie. Okay, this

513
00:27:27.279 --> 00:27:30.640
is the boss that nobody wants. Okay, nobody wants.

514
00:27:31.119 --> 00:27:35.319
Yeah, Okay, here's the thing. So this is kind of

515
00:27:35.319 --> 00:27:37.920
cool because like Stephen Root's always one of those guys.

516
00:27:38.000 --> 00:27:40.960
I think it's safe to say that he he probably

517
00:27:41.880 --> 00:27:45.960
becomes a household name with Office Space playing Milton. Oh yeah,

518
00:27:45.960 --> 00:27:49.240
of course, you know, you know, goes on to you know,

519
00:27:49.319 --> 00:27:52.359
Dodgeball and Underdog Store. He becomes Stephen Root and then

520
00:27:52.359 --> 00:27:53.519
he's doing all this fun stuff.

521
00:27:53.599 --> 00:27:53.720
Right.

522
00:27:53.759 --> 00:27:56.920
He's had some pretty cool roles, but this year I've

523
00:27:56.920 --> 00:27:58.759
always wondered, like, what where did he get his start?

524
00:27:58.799 --> 00:28:00.799
And Dave, it's nineteen eight when he gets a start

525
00:28:01.119 --> 00:28:03.960
it is. This is his film debut, his theatrical film debut,

526
00:28:04.960 --> 00:28:08.359
nineteen eighty eight. He's in Monkey Shines. He's also in

527
00:28:08.440 --> 00:28:12.640
Crocodile Dundee two, but he shot this one first. Crocodile

528
00:28:12.720 --> 00:28:14.519
Dunde two came out like a month before this one,

529
00:28:15.039 --> 00:28:16.839
but he did film this one first, So this one

530
00:28:16.839 --> 00:28:18.480
gets gets the honors of it.

531
00:28:18.480 --> 00:28:19.680
Gets the credit. It's great, it.

532
00:28:19.599 --> 00:28:22.559
Gets it gets credit. Yeah, I love Stephen Ruth though

533
00:28:22.680 --> 00:28:23.160
I do too.

534
00:28:23.319 --> 00:28:26.680
And also for you Phaser set the stun fans out there.

535
00:28:27.839 --> 00:28:30.640
Stephen Root was in two different Star Treks. He was

536
00:28:30.680 --> 00:28:35.799
in just this season's Lower Decks as Gene Jakobowski and

537
00:28:35.880 --> 00:28:38.279
he was also in Star Trek the Next Generation as

538
00:28:38.359 --> 00:28:42.640
Captain Cavada. There's that connection to Star Trek again. Man,

539
00:28:42.720 --> 00:28:44.839
it is everywhere and I love it.

540
00:28:44.119 --> 00:28:49.359
You and Scott never never miss a moment to tie

541
00:28:49.359 --> 00:28:53.480
this back to Phaser set the stun. That's right, Who knows,

542
00:28:53.480 --> 00:28:55.759
maybe season or two from now, it'll be like the

543
00:28:56.000 --> 00:28:59.920
Phasers that the Sun showed film by a little limited serious.

544
00:29:00.920 --> 00:29:02.119
One never knows. Jeff.

545
00:29:02.519 --> 00:29:07.000
Let's let's let's keep Jeff around. You give him his

546
00:29:07.039 --> 00:29:11.279
own little serious. He could talk about movies, Dave, Can

547
00:29:11.319 --> 00:29:15.000
you tell everybody about Nurse.

548
00:29:14.799 --> 00:29:21.200
Hodges played by Christine Forrest. Yes, Mary Ann Hodges, who

549
00:29:21.279 --> 00:29:24.680
I did not like in this film at all.

550
00:29:25.440 --> 00:29:26.039
You better not.

551
00:29:26.519 --> 00:29:28.640
Oh my god, she just got under my skin.

552
00:29:28.559 --> 00:29:33.799
Dude, over the top acting. Yes, you know what a

553
00:29:33.839 --> 00:29:36.160
bitch character?

554
00:29:36.640 --> 00:29:41.640
Correct, Absolutely the character she's playing. And that damn bird.

555
00:29:41.759 --> 00:29:44.960
It got on my nerves that with me in my house.

556
00:29:45.000 --> 00:29:48.200
Get that thing out of here. I love when Mom

557
00:29:48.240 --> 00:29:51.759
shows up and she's like, oh are you Are you

558
00:29:51.880 --> 00:29:55.319
his nurse? And she's like, God has given me the burden.

559
00:29:55.599 --> 00:29:59.039
I'm like, you're you're being paid right, You're yeah, you're

560
00:29:59.119 --> 00:30:01.799
hired to do this job. It is a job. You're

561
00:30:01.839 --> 00:30:05.279
hired to do the job. But yeah, she's terrible, man, Yes,

562
00:30:06.240 --> 00:30:08.599
but she has one of the I don't think there's

563
00:30:08.640 --> 00:30:13.559
really many scenes that are that are written comedically, but

564
00:30:13.680 --> 00:30:16.720
I can't help but crack up when she has her

565
00:30:16.759 --> 00:30:22.000
meltdown moment. You know, you killed my bogey. She's got

566
00:30:22.000 --> 00:30:24.720
that that stupid little parakeet named Humphrey Bogart.

567
00:30:25.759 --> 00:30:27.680
I think she gets called nurse Ratchet at one point,

568
00:30:27.720 --> 00:30:30.680
doesn't Yeah, yeah.

569
00:30:30.440 --> 00:30:32.440
But man, like I think it's cool because, like you know,

570
00:30:32.640 --> 00:30:36.279
you talked about like the psychological, like the the mind

571
00:30:36.319 --> 00:30:39.599
mild if I can use the Star Trek reference that's

572
00:30:39.640 --> 00:30:42.640
going on between the monkey and Alan. This is like

573
00:30:42.680 --> 00:30:44.359
his first chance, Like this is the first time he

574
00:30:44.559 --> 00:30:47.359
gets a little nasty because he's like, who gives a shit?

575
00:30:47.680 --> 00:30:50.839
I deserved to die? And he says it like a like.

576
00:30:50.759 --> 00:30:53.759
A serial killer, right, I know, like whoa man? Yeah.

577
00:30:53.759 --> 00:30:56.680
The mom's like, uh, you're mistaken, lady. Alan obviously could

578
00:30:56.680 --> 00:30:59.279
not have killed a bird. And she's like that little

579
00:30:59.279 --> 00:31:02.200
demon monkey he made it dear. It was like it's

580
00:31:02.200 --> 00:31:03.480
just crazy, I know.

581
00:31:04.519 --> 00:31:07.119
But there's another kill that was like, oh was she

582
00:31:07.279 --> 00:31:08.400
left right? Yeah?

583
00:31:08.599 --> 00:31:10.559
Yeah, well she she ends up believing. But before she

584
00:31:10.640 --> 00:31:13.839
leaves our conversation, though, you want to you want a

585
00:31:13.880 --> 00:31:16.839
little fun fact about Christine Forest, Sure, what is it?

586
00:31:17.599 --> 00:31:20.599
She was married to George Romero at the time of

587
00:31:20.680 --> 00:31:24.319
this this picture. Really Yeah his second wife. She was

588
00:31:24.319 --> 00:31:26.480
married to Married to the Man from nineteen eighty one

589
00:31:26.480 --> 00:31:30.680
to twenty ten. Wow Yeah often Yeah often had small

590
00:31:30.720 --> 00:31:32.920
roles in his film She served as his assistant on

591
00:31:32.960 --> 00:31:37.680
Monkey Shines and Creep Show and talk about really getting

592
00:31:37.720 --> 00:31:40.480
your money's worth out of someone. In Dawn of the Dead,

593
00:31:41.039 --> 00:31:45.079
she plays a TV producer, a biker chick. She dan

594
00:31:45.240 --> 00:31:47.880
provides yeah and provides the voice for the mole announcements

595
00:31:47.880 --> 00:31:48.480
that you hear over her.

596
00:31:48.559 --> 00:31:49.640
Yeah, that's right.

597
00:31:50.960 --> 00:31:52.680
That's a hard working woman, right.

598
00:31:52.640 --> 00:31:54.160
Yeah, Hey, why not?

599
00:31:54.920 --> 00:32:00.119
Yeah, let's talk about one last one, last lady. Uh,

600
00:32:00.400 --> 00:32:07.960
maybe the hardest worker on set. Let's talk about bool? Right? Yeah, man,

601
00:32:08.160 --> 00:32:11.319
is this the most adorable little monkey you've ever seen

602
00:32:11.359 --> 00:32:12.200
in your entire life?

603
00:32:12.559 --> 00:32:15.880
It really is. And you feel for it, uh for sure,

604
00:32:16.359 --> 00:32:19.240
especially when it's getting the needles put in it at first,

605
00:32:19.400 --> 00:32:21.279
you know, I mean, you're you're feel just sorry for

606
00:32:21.319 --> 00:32:25.880
the thing when it's just shying away as it's getting

607
00:32:25.880 --> 00:32:28.359
the shots, and it's just you just wanted to be.

608
00:32:28.960 --> 00:32:31.079
The one thing that I'll give to the credit of

609
00:32:31.160 --> 00:32:32.960
Jeff is the fact that he didn't want to torture

610
00:32:33.000 --> 00:32:35.480
animals whereas his boss was a different story.

611
00:32:35.519 --> 00:32:38.640
Stephen Root was more of a sadist exactly.

612
00:32:39.039 --> 00:32:41.559
But yeah, I mean I totally felt for the monkey here,

613
00:32:41.599 --> 00:32:44.920
and I liked, I appreciate the fact that like it

614
00:32:44.960 --> 00:32:49.559
got out to become you know, his Jeff's friends animal

615
00:32:49.640 --> 00:32:52.640
to help him a purpose, you know. But yeah, no,

616
00:32:52.680 --> 00:32:55.400
absolutely that monkey was put to work for sure in

617
00:32:55.480 --> 00:32:57.839
this entire film and did a fantastic job. I'm sure

618
00:32:57.880 --> 00:33:00.160
that had to be As a director, I can not

619
00:33:00.279 --> 00:33:03.640
imagine going through take after take a taked until that

620
00:33:03.680 --> 00:33:06.160
monkey to get on its mark. Can you imagine that?

621
00:33:06.400 --> 00:33:10.559
I mean, Romero did something he wouldn't he didn't normally do.

622
00:33:10.640 --> 00:33:13.279
He was shooting twelve hour days, right, and that's just

623
00:33:13.279 --> 00:33:17.440
because they had all these monkeys involved, and they you know, monkey,

624
00:33:17.480 --> 00:33:19.240
Monkey's gonna do what it's gonna do. It's you know,

625
00:33:19.279 --> 00:33:22.960
monkey see monkey do you know, Uh, it's not gonna

626
00:33:23.039 --> 00:33:24.279
hit mark every single time?

627
00:33:24.759 --> 00:33:24.960
Right?

628
00:33:25.559 --> 00:33:30.319
So yeah, but man, this monkey it's unbelievab because I

629
00:33:30.319 --> 00:33:32.359
don't I don't talk. I'm not talking about like the amazing,

630
00:33:32.960 --> 00:33:35.000
the dramatic moments. I'm just talking about like watching this

631
00:33:35.039 --> 00:33:39.119
thing pick up a tape cassette and hit eject on

632
00:33:39.160 --> 00:33:41.160
a tape box, you know, except player and put the

633
00:33:41.160 --> 00:33:43.519
tape in and hit play the play its favorite song.

634
00:33:44.039 --> 00:33:44.279
Yep.

635
00:33:45.160 --> 00:33:48.160
It just blows my mind that these animals have that

636
00:33:48.240 --> 00:33:49.160
level of intelligence.

637
00:33:49.559 --> 00:33:52.240
Oh yeah, and you can do it. And the fact

638
00:33:52.240 --> 00:33:54.119
that you can train them to do those kind of

639
00:33:54.200 --> 00:33:58.440
things just blows my mind. Yeah, and do it well

640
00:33:58.640 --> 00:34:01.799
like they did. I know'm Savini had. They had some

641
00:34:02.799 --> 00:34:05.720
fake monkeys that they use for obviously the dangerous stuff.

642
00:34:06.039 --> 00:34:07.960
Yes, well, let's let's get into that. Let's let's talk

643
00:34:08.000 --> 00:34:10.280
about the background. You know, let's talk about production a

644
00:34:10.280 --> 00:34:14.199
little bit, because they had multiple monkey doubles for Ella.

645
00:34:15.119 --> 00:34:18.000
But there were four puppets designed by Tom Savini and

646
00:34:18.039 --> 00:34:20.280
one of them was actually remote control, so it can

647
00:34:20.400 --> 00:34:23.719
it can move, you know, Savini's off off off camera

648
00:34:23.760 --> 00:34:27.400
and he can he can control it. Which, man, I

649
00:34:27.519 --> 00:34:29.920
tell you what, every time we do we do a

650
00:34:29.960 --> 00:34:32.960
film and Tom Savini's name pops up and it pops

651
00:34:33.039 --> 00:34:34.840
up a lot, Yeah, pops up a lot. I always

652
00:34:34.840 --> 00:34:37.480
I always think about, you know, when we met him,

653
00:34:37.840 --> 00:34:41.199
got to talk with him, and just I mean I'm

654
00:34:41.239 --> 00:34:43.719
just all struck. Like every time it's like, oh and oh,

655
00:34:43.719 --> 00:34:45.760
by the way, he created this and oh, by the way,

656
00:34:45.840 --> 00:34:47.920
he's responsible for this movie.

657
00:34:48.000 --> 00:34:49.960
It's and to see how humble he is when you

658
00:34:50.000 --> 00:34:53.920
meet him. Yeah, with with his background and what he

659
00:34:53.960 --> 00:34:56.800
has given to Hollywood over the years is just amazing

660
00:34:56.840 --> 00:34:57.480
in itself.

661
00:34:58.239 --> 00:35:01.559
It really he's he's a guy that takes initiative. Like

662
00:35:01.559 --> 00:35:03.239
if you say, hey, I get let's get a photo together,

663
00:35:03.239 --> 00:35:06.800
he will take the phone out of your hand like

664
00:35:06.800 --> 00:35:10.920
he did you, like he did. He's he's gonna, he's

665
00:35:10.920 --> 00:35:12.960
gonna shoot, he's gonna he's gonna set.

666
00:35:12.760 --> 00:35:14.039
The stage right yep.

667
00:35:14.840 --> 00:35:18.440
So this was adapted from Michael Stewart's nineteen eighty three

668
00:35:18.480 --> 00:35:23.360
novel of the same name, not the Stephen King short story.

669
00:35:24.000 --> 00:35:27.280
Not Jeff, how long were we thinking, like, oh, yeah,

670
00:35:27.320 --> 00:35:29.400
Monkey Shines it is. You know, Stephen King wrote a

671
00:35:29.440 --> 00:35:32.599
short you know. No, this has nothing to do with

672
00:35:32.599 --> 00:35:35.320
the Stephen King book that Stephen King did do. He

673
00:35:35.360 --> 00:35:40.079
did write a short uh and the Monkey which we're uh,

674
00:35:40.400 --> 00:35:43.840
we're about to go check out here shortly that is

675
00:35:43.840 --> 00:35:48.119
based off the Stephen King short story. Yes, Michael Stewart,

676
00:35:48.159 --> 00:35:51.639
on the other hand, a British author, He's the one

677
00:35:51.639 --> 00:35:54.880
that's responsible for Monkey Shines. I did a little digging

678
00:35:54.880 --> 00:35:59.039
in this guy on this guy he is very much

679
00:35:59.119 --> 00:36:05.559
into science and technology and the advancement of civilization.

680
00:36:06.239 --> 00:36:08.360
So it's kind of like Michael Crichton kind of.

681
00:36:08.639 --> 00:36:11.159
Kind of yeah, well, you know what he's been doing

682
00:36:11.199 --> 00:36:14.320
for the last twenty five years. What he's been he's

683
00:36:14.320 --> 00:36:19.920
been designing a what they're calling an air vehicle that

684
00:36:20.079 --> 00:36:25.639
can basically it doesn't need like a solid ground to

685
00:36:25.719 --> 00:36:28.599
land on. It's gonna fly, you know, using aerodynamics and

686
00:36:28.639 --> 00:36:32.000
propulsion and other stuff. It's gonna it'll move, but it

687
00:36:32.039 --> 00:36:33.960
can land wherever you needed to land.

688
00:36:34.719 --> 00:36:35.320
Interesting.

689
00:36:35.519 --> 00:36:38.440
Guy's very he's very high. He's he's he's a tech guy,

690
00:36:38.519 --> 00:36:42.159
big time. Clear occasionally just to size, I'm gonna write

691
00:36:42.159 --> 00:36:45.360
a book here and there, you know, do some TV.

692
00:36:46.400 --> 00:36:51.199
But uh yeah, So once Romero was on board, story

693
00:36:51.239 --> 00:36:55.840
setting was changed from Oxford, England to Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. Of course, obviously, yeah,

694
00:36:55.960 --> 00:36:58.719
Romero sets. I don't think there's ever been a Georgia

695
00:36:58.760 --> 00:37:01.880
Merra film that wasn't set in Burg, Pennsylvania, not that.

696
00:37:01.880 --> 00:37:03.719
I can think of. There could be, but I'm not

697
00:37:03.719 --> 00:37:04.360
sure offhand.

698
00:37:04.599 --> 00:37:07.079
Hometown guy, he's always you know, he lives there, he

699
00:37:07.079 --> 00:37:07.800
wants to work there.

700
00:37:07.840 --> 00:37:09.280
And I don't blame him.

701
00:37:09.440 --> 00:37:12.320
I don't blame Hi either. You know, let's talk about

702
00:37:12.320 --> 00:37:16.599
studio interference, which happens more than it should with these

703
00:37:16.599 --> 00:37:20.960
big Holly films. So well, think about he's been you know,

704
00:37:21.039 --> 00:37:23.440
Romero his whole career. He's doing independent work, right, and

705
00:37:23.480 --> 00:37:26.840
then he gets so you know, O'Ryan puts seven million

706
00:37:26.880 --> 00:37:30.280
dollars in his hands. You're gonna that comes with the

707
00:37:30.280 --> 00:37:32.239
price tag. You you're gonna have to listen to the studio.

708
00:37:33.320 --> 00:37:38.639
He's forced to change the darker novel accurate ending to

709
00:37:38.679 --> 00:37:39.320
a happy one.

710
00:37:39.800 --> 00:37:40.159
Mm hmm.

711
00:37:40.360 --> 00:37:41.880
Did you did you say about did you read about

712
00:37:41.920 --> 00:37:43.599
that this whole.

713
00:37:44.039 --> 00:37:45.360
Go ahead and tell us though I do know it,

714
00:37:45.400 --> 00:37:45.800
but go ahead.

715
00:37:45.960 --> 00:37:47.960
Yeah, So we we get the We get the ending

716
00:37:48.000 --> 00:37:54.960
where you know, Alan defeats Ella and he goes into

717
00:37:55.000 --> 00:37:57.840
surgery again and he walks at the end of the movie,

718
00:37:57.880 --> 00:38:02.239
he's walking happy ending, right, megatary thick happy ending. The

719
00:38:02.280 --> 00:38:06.920
book is more ominous. It's it's you know, he's still

720
00:38:06.960 --> 00:38:10.800
he survives, but he does not magically have a surgery

721
00:38:10.800 --> 00:38:13.800
where he's he's healed and he's a longer paraplegic. Yeah,

722
00:38:13.800 --> 00:38:16.840
and everything, and you're kind of left wondering if the

723
00:38:17.199 --> 00:38:22.400
the rage tendencies are still in him and will he

724
00:38:22.519 --> 00:38:24.119
will it connect to something else next?

725
00:38:24.800 --> 00:38:27.840
But I would have liked that any better. To be honest, I.

726
00:38:28.119 --> 00:38:32.360
Would have too, and the studio Studio did not. George Romero.

727
00:38:32.880 --> 00:38:33.039
Uh.

728
00:38:33.119 --> 00:38:36.320
He gave an interview. He said, quote, I thought my

729
00:38:36.480 --> 00:38:40.280
ending played well, but I would admit that the testing

730
00:38:40.320 --> 00:38:44.119
results were overwhelmingly in favor of the current version. To

731
00:38:44.239 --> 00:38:48.039
Orion's credit, they said, it's up to you, we'll release

732
00:38:48.079 --> 00:38:50.679
it either way. So I decided to go along and

733
00:38:50.719 --> 00:38:53.039
not fight it. But I'll always miss it.

734
00:38:53.719 --> 00:38:54.280
Yeah.

735
00:38:54.440 --> 00:38:56.760
Romero has that vibe like any anytime you've seen him

736
00:38:56.800 --> 00:38:59.800
in in an interview, he seems like he kind of

737
00:38:59.840 --> 00:39:03.440
gets me, like a Sam Raimi vibe, where he's very polite,

738
00:39:03.920 --> 00:39:09.760
he's very articulate, and he'll he'll compromise if it means

739
00:39:09.920 --> 00:39:10.800
making someone happy.

740
00:39:11.320 --> 00:39:13.800
Yeah, and I do get that to a certain extent.

741
00:39:13.880 --> 00:39:16.320
And going back to what you said, someone's handing you

742
00:39:16.320 --> 00:39:18.079
seventy million dollars, they're gonna tell you what to do,

743
00:39:18.119 --> 00:39:20.480
and you're gonna have to listen to him. Unfortunately, that's

744
00:39:20.519 --> 00:39:22.239
just that's just something you have to let go of

745
00:39:22.440 --> 00:39:24.639
as a director, it's gonna be hard to do it

746
00:39:24.920 --> 00:39:28.239
because and if if I was in that position, it

747
00:39:28.239 --> 00:39:30.199
would be hard for me to let that go. But

748
00:39:30.280 --> 00:39:34.880
I have to understand they're writing the paychecks. You know, today,

749
00:39:34.960 --> 00:39:36.920
I think we would have got that ending, Jeff, we

750
00:39:36.920 --> 00:39:39.039
would have oh got a darker ending. There's there's no

751
00:39:39.079 --> 00:39:41.079
doubt about it. The way things have changed.

752
00:39:40.760 --> 00:39:42.880
Well, well, it's a more cynical world now, right, It

753
00:39:43.000 --> 00:39:44.280
is absolutely for sure.

754
00:39:44.639 --> 00:39:46.960
The one thing that I am glad they kind of

755
00:39:47.039 --> 00:39:51.119
backed off of. Apparently the sexual scenes between Alan and

756
00:39:51.199 --> 00:39:53.880
Melanie were a lot more involved.

757
00:39:54.599 --> 00:39:58.360
I put a pin in that I got that noteworthy scenes.

758
00:39:58.760 --> 00:40:01.800
U Okay, I I.

759
00:40:02.079 --> 00:40:04.360
Don't want to talk about that. I'll just say this,

760
00:40:04.440 --> 00:40:07.239
let's let's get to the scenes. But I will say

761
00:40:07.239 --> 00:40:11.519
the one thing you can't forgive o Ryan for is

762
00:40:12.760 --> 00:40:15.639
they show the film. You know, a couple of test audiences,

763
00:40:16.280 --> 00:40:19.360
get some poor reviews. They recut the entire movie behind

764
00:40:19.440 --> 00:40:22.320
Romero's back. That I think is a mistake. That's wrong,

765
00:40:22.400 --> 00:40:24.360
and that's why, you know, and then he's like, forget it.

766
00:40:24.360 --> 00:40:25.840
I'll just go back to make his zombie movies.

767
00:40:26.079 --> 00:40:29.079
So I would love to see Romero's cut.

768
00:40:29.440 --> 00:40:34.960
Oh Man, that would be great. Yeah, well, think about this.

769
00:40:36.159 --> 00:40:38.239
It took him months to edit this because it's like

770
00:40:38.280 --> 00:40:42.079
they did like two hundred and forty pages. There's tons.

771
00:40:42.800 --> 00:40:45.039
Who knows if it's been preserved, if it's saved in

772
00:40:45.119 --> 00:40:48.039
a vault somewhere. But could you imagine if his son

773
00:40:48.840 --> 00:40:50.079
did like an assembly cut.

774
00:40:50.400 --> 00:40:52.320
Oh man, that would be wonderful, wouldn't it.

775
00:40:52.360 --> 00:40:54.920
I would love to see that, and it'd still be

776
00:40:54.679 --> 00:40:59.760
it'd be Romero. Yeah, it'd be Romero directing Romero, you know,

777
00:41:00.079 --> 00:41:01.800
or editing Romero. That'd that'd be so cool.

778
00:41:02.199 --> 00:41:04.719
Maybe that weird accident at the beginning at the studio's

779
00:41:04.760 --> 00:41:06.239
fault and not Romeros.

780
00:41:06.639 --> 00:41:07.320
I bet it is.

781
00:41:07.599 --> 00:41:09.199
It has to be right, you know what.

782
00:41:09.199 --> 00:41:11.280
I'm putting it on a Ryan Longer.

783
00:41:11.320 --> 00:41:11.599
I like it.

784
00:41:11.599 --> 00:41:13.400
They're no longer around. They can't, they can't fight back,

785
00:41:13.440 --> 00:41:20.960
they can't. Let's talk about a couple noteworthy scenes and

786
00:41:21.079 --> 00:41:24.159
maybe what the pivotal moment is. I typically don't do this,

787
00:41:24.280 --> 00:41:27.480
but I'm going to start off with the pivotal moment. Okay,

788
00:41:27.719 --> 00:41:31.239
in my opinion, I'll get wrong. I'll be wrong, all right.

789
00:41:31.280 --> 00:41:35.480
So I want to talk about Alan and Jeff talking

790
00:41:36.119 --> 00:41:39.760
post accident, about Linda again played by a very young

791
00:41:39.880 --> 00:41:43.159
Jeanine Turner, and uh, they're talking about how Linda is

792
00:41:43.199 --> 00:41:46.920
going to leave him, and you know, Jeff, he's doing

793
00:41:46.960 --> 00:41:48.679
what a good buddy does. He's like, come on, man,

794
00:41:48.760 --> 00:41:52.039
she just needs time to you know, adjust and get

795
00:41:52.159 --> 00:41:55.159
used to things. And Alan's like, no, she's she's leaving me.

796
00:41:56.119 --> 00:41:58.280
And then he does what a good buddy does, you know.

797
00:41:58.320 --> 00:42:00.800
He says, you know, hey, she walks out, now fuck her.

798
00:42:01.639 --> 00:42:04.039
And the music there's a slight change in the music

799
00:42:04.880 --> 00:42:11.320
and Alan replies, I can't. And man, the defeat in

800
00:42:11.400 --> 00:42:14.880
his eyes as he accepts his situation is heartbreaking at

801
00:42:14.920 --> 00:42:18.039
that moment. And I and for me, I'm like this

802
00:42:18.039 --> 00:42:20.639
this last time watching, I was like, this is this

803
00:42:20.679 --> 00:42:22.440
is where the movie. This is the movie right here.

804
00:42:22.480 --> 00:42:24.519
This is him coming to terms with the fact that

805
00:42:24.559 --> 00:42:27.639
he's never gonna be the track star. He's you know,

806
00:42:28.119 --> 00:42:31.400
the world that he knew is gone. Mm hmm, And

807
00:42:31.480 --> 00:42:32.840
I feel so sorry for the guy.

808
00:42:33.719 --> 00:42:36.480
Yeah. Mine, mine's kind of connected to that a little bit.

809
00:42:36.719 --> 00:42:40.239
Mine is more on the fact that when he gets

810
00:42:40.320 --> 00:42:44.599
the monkey Ella and decides that he wants to change

811
00:42:44.599 --> 00:42:49.079
his life around, he goes back to law school and

812
00:42:49.159 --> 00:42:52.920
starts becoming something different that he did not think was coming.

813
00:42:53.679 --> 00:42:54.320
That's mine.

814
00:42:54.599 --> 00:42:57.039
Okay, let's talk about that. So you know Alan, Alan

815
00:42:57.079 --> 00:43:06.239
meets number six, right, yep, that's that's a ship name name. Yeah. Yeah, Ella,

816
00:43:06.400 --> 00:43:10.159
you know they they they land on. Ella h absolutely adorable.

817
00:43:11.039 --> 00:43:12.840
How cute is the little hug that she gives out?

818
00:43:13.360 --> 00:43:17.039
Oh my gosh, I know, just like I did to.

819
00:43:17.679 --> 00:43:21.119
I mean when when she hugs him, I immediately googled

820
00:43:21.639 --> 00:43:23.519
is it legal to have a one of these? One

821
00:43:23.519 --> 00:43:26.159
of these monkeys? And it is. There's only Dave, there's

822
00:43:26.159 --> 00:43:29.400
only like six states in the country that it's legal

823
00:43:29.400 --> 00:43:30.199
to have one of these.

824
00:43:30.280 --> 00:43:31.880
Is a pet Ohio one of them.

825
00:43:31.920 --> 00:43:34.679
Ohio is one of them. Of course, you know, you

826
00:43:34.719 --> 00:43:40.320
know Ohio the ho my beer estate, right, yeah. But uh,

827
00:43:41.400 --> 00:43:43.880
you know, we get the we get the montage kind

828
00:43:43.880 --> 00:43:46.159
of a vibe with Melanie teaching Alan and Ella how

829
00:43:46.159 --> 00:43:48.559
to work together. Yep, uh, you know, we get we

830
00:43:48.559 --> 00:43:51.119
get the first sign of Alan's happiness. Like you said,

831
00:43:51.800 --> 00:43:54.000
he's gonna go back to school. How great was it

832
00:43:54.039 --> 00:43:56.440
when the students are raising their hands and Ella raised

833
00:43:56.480 --> 00:44:01.119
their hands answer? Yeah, does your does your friend have

834
00:44:01.159 --> 00:44:01.480
the answer?

835
00:44:01.599 --> 00:44:03.599
Do you have the you have the answer he did.

836
00:44:04.119 --> 00:44:05.360
And you know what I like about the scene that

837
00:44:05.400 --> 00:44:07.920
you're talking about. And you know what, I'm gonna go

838
00:44:07.920 --> 00:44:09.960
ahead say, you've you've now won me over. This is

839
00:44:10.000 --> 00:44:12.920
the pivotal moment. I like that. This is the shot

840
00:44:12.960 --> 00:44:15.920
where you get the initial chemistry developing between him and Melanie.

841
00:44:16.400 --> 00:44:16.679
Yep.

842
00:44:16.800 --> 00:44:18.480
And you see it like we talked about earlier, Like

843
00:44:18.480 --> 00:44:20.400
you see that you know she's she's got a thing

844
00:44:20.440 --> 00:44:20.800
for the guy.

845
00:44:21.199 --> 00:44:23.079
Yeah, you already see that connection between the two of

846
00:44:23.079 --> 00:44:26.039
them right there. It's starting to grow absolutely. Yep.

847
00:44:26.559 --> 00:44:30.199
Let's talk about one more scene. Uh, you alluded to it.

848
00:44:30.639 --> 00:44:33.280
I'm gonna call this. I'm gonna call this the monkey

849
00:44:33.280 --> 00:44:33.840
business scene.

850
00:44:35.159 --> 00:44:37.400
Okay, Okay, we'll go with that. I like it.

851
00:44:37.880 --> 00:44:40.719
I'm reading. I'm looking at my notes. My notes simply

852
00:44:40.760 --> 00:44:47.079
say go for it. Alan, Yes, good going man. Man.

853
00:44:47.400 --> 00:44:50.360
That was awkward, but okay, well I like it though

854
00:44:50.400 --> 00:44:52.719
it has to happen, you know, I like that it happened.

855
00:44:52.719 --> 00:44:55.639
To be honest with you, Okay, it's awkward. It is

856
00:44:55.679 --> 00:45:03.119
awkward because it's it's not the norm. Okay, So you know,

857
00:45:03.199 --> 00:45:07.079
and to and to that point, I can't think of

858
00:45:08.119 --> 00:45:10.840
I don't know how many movies are that are out

859
00:45:10.840 --> 00:45:15.239
there that that show a sex scene involving a quadriplegic.

860
00:45:15.599 --> 00:45:17.400
I don't think there is any It just you know,

861
00:45:17.440 --> 00:45:18.360
it doesn't.

862
00:45:18.079 --> 00:45:22.440
Really happen, you know. And you kind of talked about this. Uh.

863
00:45:22.599 --> 00:45:26.559
According to producer Charles Evans, there was a more explicit

864
00:45:26.679 --> 00:45:30.599
cut of the oral sex scene that was drastically toned

865
00:45:30.639 --> 00:45:33.280
down by Romero. You know, he was like, hey, I

866
00:45:33.280 --> 00:45:34.599
want this to be gritty, and I want this to

867
00:45:34.599 --> 00:45:37.639
be and Romero is like, nah, let's we don't need that,

868
00:45:38.079 --> 00:45:39.920
and he kept toning it down, tone it down. So

869
00:45:40.599 --> 00:45:42.719
you know, but I do like that. Evans would later

870
00:45:42.760 --> 00:45:45.280
admit that Romero was right to tone it down because

871
00:45:46.400 --> 00:45:47.840
I think it.

872
00:45:47.800 --> 00:45:50.039
Would have been from the story in my opinion the

873
00:45:50.079 --> 00:45:51.840
film itself, well, it really would have.

874
00:45:53.000 --> 00:45:57.119
I seem like this needed to be done tastefully because

875
00:45:58.360 --> 00:46:01.039
and and you know, and I I applaud the scene

876
00:46:01.039 --> 00:46:05.519
because it shows that someone that's in this situation can

877
00:46:05.599 --> 00:46:10.440
still be active, can still can still please their partner.

878
00:46:10.840 --> 00:46:12.239
Yep, you know, you're very careful.

879
00:46:12.280 --> 00:46:17.519
I'm being very careful how wording my conversation here. Yeah,

880
00:46:17.639 --> 00:46:21.280
but but but yeah, the scene, like we see enough

881
00:46:22.079 --> 00:46:24.440
to understand what's happening. You know, there's that. We we

882
00:46:24.480 --> 00:46:27.519
get what's implied. We don't need we don't need to

883
00:46:27.519 --> 00:46:30.480
be graphic. So with I'm with Ramara did the right

884
00:46:30.480 --> 00:46:30.800
thing here.

885
00:46:31.000 --> 00:46:33.119
I absolutely agree with Amror on this one for sure.

886
00:46:33.800 --> 00:46:36.360
Dave. Let's take one more break and when we come back,

887
00:46:36.679 --> 00:46:44.280
we'll start wrapping things up. Okay, Dave, someone watches Monkey Shines,

888
00:46:45.239 --> 00:46:48.840
they enjoy it, and they look at you and they say,

889
00:46:48.920 --> 00:46:52.400
I love this. Uh this Georgia Merra, guy, what else

890
00:46:52.440 --> 00:46:55.800
does he have? What three films are you going to

891
00:46:55.840 --> 00:46:58.519
suggest they watch? And listen? We were talking off Mike,

892
00:46:59.440 --> 00:47:01.360
I have to We're gonna go three for three here,

893
00:47:02.079 --> 00:47:04.440
and I hope we do. I'd be I'd be surprised.

894
00:47:04.480 --> 00:47:06.239
I'll be I will be surprised if we don't. But

895
00:47:07.159 --> 00:47:08.920
let's find out. What's your first suggestion.

896
00:47:09.559 --> 00:47:12.719
My first, Justin is, obviously, since he's godfather dead is

897
00:47:12.920 --> 00:47:14.119
Knight of the Living.

898
00:47:13.920 --> 00:47:18.079
Dead nineteen sixty eight. Night of the Living Dead, yep.

899
00:47:18.880 --> 00:47:22.519
One of the all time greatest horror films ever made.

900
00:47:22.599 --> 00:47:24.320
It is the creation of zombies.

901
00:47:24.360 --> 00:47:26.199
I mean, come on, creation of zombies. Yeah, they weren't

902
00:47:26.199 --> 00:47:29.000
even zombie like that. He did not call him zombies. No,

903
00:47:29.239 --> 00:47:31.960
he is. He's been on record. They were ghouls, they

904
00:47:31.960 --> 00:47:36.239
were creatures, he said, until like the press and the

905
00:47:36.239 --> 00:47:41.199
critics started labeling them in the phrase zombie like he didn't.

906
00:47:41.280 --> 00:47:43.760
He didn't embrace it for like another ten years, right,

907
00:47:43.800 --> 00:47:46.880
and then finally he's like, yeah, oh right, whatever, there's zombies. Okay,

908
00:47:48.159 --> 00:47:50.119
but he you know, think about think about sixty eight.

909
00:47:50.920 --> 00:47:54.920
I love the fact that Rameira always has think about this.

910
00:47:55.840 --> 00:47:58.280
His movies tend not all of them, but a lot

911
00:47:58.280 --> 00:48:02.440
of them tend to have wrong black lead m and

912
00:48:02.480 --> 00:48:10.280
then the female supporting character who finds a strength having

913
00:48:10.320 --> 00:48:12.880
attached herself to that strong black lead. Have you noticed

914
00:48:12.880 --> 00:48:15.679
that I did, because that's definitely that's definitely not a

915
00:48:15.719 --> 00:48:16.199
living dead.

916
00:48:16.719 --> 00:48:17.239
Absolutely.

917
00:48:18.039 --> 00:48:20.960
Yeah, the movie had a lot to say, way ahead

918
00:48:20.960 --> 00:48:24.679
of its time. I'm gonna go on record here and say,

919
00:48:25.840 --> 00:48:30.280
do not watch the colorized version. That's just awful.

920
00:48:30.559 --> 00:48:32.159
Yes it is black and white baby.

921
00:48:32.400 --> 00:48:33.840
Stick with the black and white baby. Yeah.

922
00:48:33.880 --> 00:48:35.519
Absolutely, yep, all right.

923
00:48:35.440 --> 00:48:38.400
I'm with you your second suggestion, Dave.

924
00:48:39.039 --> 00:48:41.800
Well, clearly, since I've discussed this film at a film

925
00:48:41.800 --> 00:48:46.320
at forty five, nineteen seventy eighth, Dawn of the Dead must.

926
00:48:46.159 --> 00:48:50.039
Absolutely yep, absolutely wet.

927
00:48:50.119 --> 00:48:51.960
Theer kind of themes in it you're talking about with

928
00:48:52.000 --> 00:48:54.079
neither the Living Dead, you know, he just he just

929
00:48:54.119 --> 00:48:57.119
evolves it even more commercialism and it just adds that

930
00:48:57.199 --> 00:48:59.760
into his film and it's just done so whoa. You

931
00:48:59.760 --> 00:49:03.320
don't realize it until you really start processing the film

932
00:49:03.639 --> 00:49:05.400
on what he did and what he brought and what

933
00:49:05.480 --> 00:49:07.840
he was telling you throughout the film. It's fantastic.

934
00:49:08.280 --> 00:49:12.519
There there is a four K collector's edition of Donald

935
00:49:12.519 --> 00:49:15.239
the Dead out there, well, you know because I own it.

936
00:49:15.280 --> 00:49:17.519
So like it's got four different versions of the movie

937
00:49:18.119 --> 00:49:20.480
and it's got like three weeks worth of behind the

938
00:49:20.480 --> 00:49:22.920
scenes extras. I still haven't got through all of them.

939
00:49:23.119 --> 00:49:26.440
But man like, I love watching that film. I love

940
00:49:26.639 --> 00:49:29.320
I love the statement that it makes because it's fun.

941
00:49:29.320 --> 00:49:31.679
It's fun watching him run around just killing zombies, but

942
00:49:32.760 --> 00:49:37.239
the message that's that's in the movie. And Ken Fourie,

943
00:49:37.679 --> 00:49:42.360
who is just absolutely incredible in that movie. Yep, I

944
00:49:42.360 --> 00:49:44.079
gotta tell you, you know, because we've we've bumped into

945
00:49:44.159 --> 00:49:47.599
him once or twice. Yeah, when I got a chance

946
00:49:47.639 --> 00:49:49.679
to meet him, I was at Lexington Scarefest I think

947
00:49:50.159 --> 00:49:53.960
two years ago or a two years ago. That man

948
00:49:54.159 --> 00:49:57.960
is still like put him in a movie right now, yeah,

949
00:49:58.079 --> 00:50:02.039
because he hasn't really, he hasn't changed, right, He's amazing.

950
00:50:02.800 --> 00:50:05.119
And that movie was more than forty five years ago

951
00:50:05.159 --> 00:50:12.119
now right, Yeah, yeah, so excellent movie, Dave. One more suggestion,

952
00:50:13.119 --> 00:50:14.719
and I want to know what you're going to offer

953
00:50:15.360 --> 00:50:16.599
and see that we're gonna go three.

954
00:50:16.480 --> 00:50:18.960
For three here. This is where I'm I'm pretty sure

955
00:50:18.960 --> 00:50:21.079
we're gonna go three for three here. And I am

956
00:50:21.119 --> 00:50:23.039
going with a film that I watched as a kid

957
00:50:23.039 --> 00:50:25.920
that I loved and fell in love with immediately, and

958
00:50:25.960 --> 00:50:29.599
that is nineteen eighty two's creep Show. Wait, you're not

959
00:50:29.639 --> 00:50:33.360
going Night Riders with ed him? I'm kidd Get out

960
00:50:33.400 --> 00:50:34.320
of here, Get.

961
00:50:34.199 --> 00:50:38.679
Out of here, Get out here, monkey, nineteen eighteens creep Show.

962
00:50:39.599 --> 00:50:43.920
Wow. Yeah, there's so much I love about that. It

963
00:50:44.000 --> 00:50:44.440
really is.

964
00:50:45.159 --> 00:50:49.360
Yeah, And you know, I always thought like, why couldn't

965
00:50:49.360 --> 00:50:51.559
we have got him to come back for the third one?

966
00:50:51.599 --> 00:50:53.840
Because you know, listen, I really like the creep I

967
00:50:53.880 --> 00:50:57.079
really love Creep Show two. Creep Show three is a

968
00:50:57.119 --> 00:51:00.960
train wreck. It's it's a little it's a little blow

969
00:51:01.239 --> 00:51:04.280
straight to video standards. Right, I'm just calling it like

970
00:51:04.320 --> 00:51:06.000
I see it, I watch, I gave it a shot.

971
00:51:06.039 --> 00:51:10.239
It was not good. But creep show man, Well, let

972
00:51:10.280 --> 00:51:12.519
me ask you this. If I ask you, can you name?

973
00:51:12.599 --> 00:51:16.199
Do you have a favorite segment? You got something? I get?

974
00:51:16.480 --> 00:51:18.519
Hold on, let me think about it. Hold on second, Jeff,

975
00:51:18.519 --> 00:51:20.079
I always get my first one, the second one mixed

976
00:51:20.119 --> 00:51:20.320
up with.

977
00:51:20.760 --> 00:51:22.119
So you got, you got? You got? Okay, so you got.

978
00:51:22.159 --> 00:51:25.000
We're talking about Father's Day, which which has Ed Harrison

979
00:51:25.079 --> 00:51:29.360
It you've got the Crate, which has uh one of

980
00:51:29.400 --> 00:51:30.559
our friends, Adrian Barboll.

981
00:51:30.639 --> 00:51:31.320
Adrian Barboll.

982
00:51:31.400 --> 00:51:33.760
It's the is it the Crazy and Ted?

983
00:51:33.920 --> 00:51:35.639
Isn't Ted Danson's that one? And that one too, isn't

984
00:51:35.679 --> 00:51:39.760
it yep? Okay, yeah, the Tide, Yes.

985
00:51:40.239 --> 00:51:44.039
Ted Danson and Leslie Nielsen. I can hold my breath

986
00:51:44.960 --> 00:51:45.400
a long.

987
00:51:48.039 --> 00:51:48.440
This one.

988
00:51:48.920 --> 00:51:50.719
Okay, you got? And then you know, just for our listeners,

989
00:51:50.760 --> 00:51:52.480
you're like, wait, what are the other ones? I'll say

990
00:51:52.519 --> 00:51:56.840
you got Stephen King in the US things, the sad

991
00:51:56.920 --> 00:51:59.679
case of Jordie Varrol, like where he fights the meteorite

992
00:51:59.679 --> 00:52:02.440
and that's right, comes like it takes over the farm

993
00:52:02.440 --> 00:52:04.480
in his house and him and he turns into like

994
00:52:04.519 --> 00:52:08.559
this living moss creature. Uh, and then finally you got E. G.

995
00:52:08.760 --> 00:52:11.199
Marshall and they'll creep up on you. He's like the

996
00:52:11.320 --> 00:52:16.119
rich guy with the high tech uh penthouse yep, and

997
00:52:16.400 --> 00:52:20.400
roaches are just more and more and more just getting in.

998
00:52:20.480 --> 00:52:23.679
And he's like he's got a real phobia with bugs. Right,

999
00:52:24.719 --> 00:52:26.000
what's what's your what's your go to?

1000
00:52:26.719 --> 00:52:28.159
So my go to is gonna have to be the

1001
00:52:28.239 --> 00:52:32.960
create ye with Adrian barbo because that is creepy as hell,

1002
00:52:33.039 --> 00:52:37.079
Jeff with that create under the steps and just when

1003
00:52:37.079 --> 00:52:40.480
you get rid of his wife and what he goes through, man,

1004
00:52:40.519 --> 00:52:42.800
that's just it. I still have nightmares of that man

1005
00:52:42.880 --> 00:52:45.679
to this day, just seeing those eyes when the creed

1006
00:52:45.760 --> 00:52:46.559
the lid opens up.

1007
00:52:46.599 --> 00:52:51.239
Oh yeah, I had. I had such a wonderful conversation

1008
00:52:51.559 --> 00:52:53.840
with Adrian Barboo. I know, I think it was like

1009
00:52:54.719 --> 00:52:56.920
was it our first comment episode or maybe our second

1010
00:52:56.920 --> 00:52:59.119
one that we put out where I shared some of

1011
00:52:59.119 --> 00:53:03.119
her are the audio. I'm sitting there talking with her

1012
00:53:04.000 --> 00:53:08.280
and the whole time my heart is beating because this

1013
00:53:08.360 --> 00:53:15.079
woman is just gorgeous. She is today still today. She

1014
00:53:15.159 --> 00:53:18.320
is super sweet, She's very just you know, she'll just

1015
00:53:18.360 --> 00:53:21.599
melt your heart. And as you know, I'm talking to

1016
00:53:21.599 --> 00:53:24.079
her and I and the only distraction I had was

1017
00:53:24.079 --> 00:53:27.119
I had I had how Oolbrook in my head saying

1018
00:53:27.440 --> 00:53:32.840
just tell him to call you Billy. Yeah, I'm with you.

1019
00:53:33.880 --> 00:53:36.599
I think when it comes down to it, because because

1020
00:53:36.639 --> 00:53:40.639
Ted dancing and in the in the Tide one, that

1021
00:53:40.679 --> 00:53:43.800
one's really good. But I think the storyline is better

1022
00:53:43.840 --> 00:53:46.400
with the Crate. So I'm gonna I'm gonna go with

1023
00:53:46.400 --> 00:53:49.320
the Crate. I'll tell you what. And Dave, I know,

1024
00:53:49.440 --> 00:53:51.119
I know you already heard this. I'm sure most of

1025
00:53:51.119 --> 00:53:53.639
our listeners already heard this. But for those of you

1026
00:53:53.760 --> 00:53:59.320
that missed the The Creep Show Versus Twilight Zone the

1027
00:53:59.360 --> 00:54:03.079
movie episode from our very good buddies Dan Jason over

1028
00:54:03.119 --> 00:54:05.679
at the Shirley You Can't Be Serious podcast, Yep, that

1029
00:54:06.039 --> 00:54:08.440
is an episode you do not want to miss. Go

1030
00:54:08.679 --> 00:54:10.960
go over to Shirley You Can't Be Serious Podcast. Check

1031
00:54:10.960 --> 00:54:13.840
out that episode. Because I don't know about you, Dave,

1032
00:54:13.880 --> 00:54:16.519
but as soon as I heard it, I had the

1033
00:54:16.559 --> 00:54:19.400
double feature it was Creep Show because they're both on

1034
00:54:19.440 --> 00:54:21.519
the shelf behind me. Yeah, I love them.

1035
00:54:21.400 --> 00:54:24.199
Both, yep. But I got physical copies of them too,

1036
00:54:24.239 --> 00:54:24.599
for sure.

1037
00:54:24.719 --> 00:54:27.920
Yeah, Yeah, I love that. We Okay, So we're three

1038
00:54:27.920 --> 00:54:31.079
for three. I knew we would be, and I've got

1039
00:54:31.559 --> 00:54:37.840
four k special editions of everything we've talked about. Yeah, yeah, Dave,

1040
00:54:38.039 --> 00:54:41.400
I don't think it's any any stretch of the imagination

1041
00:54:41.480 --> 00:54:44.079
to say that we both recommend Monkey Shines.

1042
00:54:44.559 --> 00:54:46.639
Yeah, I recommend it. It starts off a little slow,

1043
00:54:46.679 --> 00:54:49.920
little unusual, but hang in there because it gets fantastic.

1044
00:54:50.360 --> 00:54:54.199
Yeah. It is currently streaming on the Pluto TV app.

1045
00:54:54.960 --> 00:54:59.239
It's also streaming on MGM plus. Dave. I know that

1046
00:54:59.400 --> 00:55:05.159
because I didn't look at Pluto first, and I begrudgingly

1047
00:55:05.480 --> 00:55:07.559
signed up for a free trial for MGM plus.

1048
00:55:07.840 --> 00:55:10.280
Over here we go with the free trial things.

1049
00:55:11.760 --> 00:55:14.639
Listeners. If you don't if you don't know, what was

1050
00:55:14.639 --> 00:55:16.239
the movie we were doing, Dave, where you're like, I

1051
00:55:16.320 --> 00:55:16.599
just do.

1052
00:55:16.559 --> 00:55:19.360
That, man, Uh, I don't remember.

1053
00:55:19.679 --> 00:55:20.280
I don't remember.

1054
00:55:20.440 --> 00:55:26.199
Oh it was it was for oh crap. I recommended

1055
00:55:26.239 --> 00:55:27.280
a horror film for you.

1056
00:55:27.760 --> 00:55:31.840
Yeah, And I was like it was on Shutter. Yeah.

1057
00:55:32.000 --> 00:55:33.360
I was like, I was signed up for Shutter for

1058
00:55:33.440 --> 00:55:36.519
seven days, watch it for free, and cancel it. What

1059
00:55:36.519 --> 00:55:39.760
do you do, Jeff? You forget canceled.

1060
00:55:39.480 --> 00:55:42.960
About the free seven day trial, and then like two

1061
00:55:43.000 --> 00:55:45.400
months later, I'm like, why am I getting? What's what

1062
00:55:45.440 --> 00:55:48.320
am I GETT? Who's this? Why am I getting? Build? Yeah?

1063
00:55:48.320 --> 00:55:49.880
I was like, hey, Dave, I'm gonn I'm gonna eat

1064
00:55:49.880 --> 00:55:52.119
my forty bucks And You're like, Nah, I'm not. I'm

1065
00:55:52.159 --> 00:55:57.559
not covering up. That's not happening. I listen. I I

1066
00:55:57.599 --> 00:56:01.800
haven't canceled MGM plus yet because I just want to

1067
00:56:01.840 --> 00:56:03.239
be I want to. I want to, I want to

1068
00:56:03.239 --> 00:56:04.400
go through it. I just want to see if it's

1069
00:56:04.400 --> 00:56:05.639
worth the six ninety nine a month.

1070
00:56:06.239 --> 00:56:08.480
You know, just just don't come yelling if you forget

1071
00:56:08.480 --> 00:56:09.159
to cancel it.

1072
00:56:09.239 --> 00:56:12.039
Okay, I'm on day three, I got I got four more,

1073
00:56:12.440 --> 00:56:16.679
four more days? All right, we'll see. Uh, but listen.

1074
00:56:17.000 --> 00:56:20.039
I certainly recommend this one for any Romero fan interested

1075
00:56:20.039 --> 00:56:22.679
in seeing what the man can do with a non

1076
00:56:22.800 --> 00:56:23.440
zombie cast.

1077
00:56:23.880 --> 00:56:25.480
Absolutely listeners.

1078
00:56:25.519 --> 00:56:28.440
What do you think of Monkey Shines? Have you seen it?

1079
00:56:29.280 --> 00:56:31.199
Do we get this one wrong? You can let us

1080
00:56:31.280 --> 00:56:34.679
know on social media. You'll find us on Facebook, Instagram,

1081
00:56:34.719 --> 00:56:38.920
and x. You can check out www dot a film

1082
00:56:38.960 --> 00:56:42.320
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1083
00:56:42.360 --> 00:56:46.000
TV articles and our entire library, which is streaming free.

1084
00:56:46.679 --> 00:56:48.360
You can write to us at a film by a

1085
00:56:48.400 --> 00:56:52.159
podcast at gmail dot com with your questions, comments and concerns.

1086
00:56:52.719 --> 00:56:54.679
We may just read your response on the show and

1087
00:56:54.760 --> 00:56:58.880
send you some of my film by swag Dave. Always

1088
00:56:58.960 --> 00:57:01.519
a pleasure discussing movies with you.

1089
00:57:01.920 --> 00:57:03.280
Always absolutely love it.

1090
00:57:03.840 --> 00:57:06.360
What do you guys? Uh? What are you guys at?

1091
00:57:06.480 --> 00:57:09.159
Next on a phaser sets of Stunt.

1092
00:57:08.840 --> 00:57:12.800
Well, we continue our journey with the original cast the

1093
00:57:12.800 --> 00:57:16.920
original crew of the Enterprise, and we have the Search

1094
00:57:17.079 --> 00:57:18.480
for Spock coming up.

1095
00:57:19.320 --> 00:57:23.280
I'mos just remind you and you and Wayne and Scott

1096
00:57:23.280 --> 00:57:25.480
can think this is controversial all you want, but I

1097
00:57:25.519 --> 00:57:27.480
happen to like. I happen to like the Search for Spock,

1098
00:57:27.519 --> 00:57:28.639
so you better be nice to it.

1099
00:57:29.360 --> 00:57:32.599
We are very nice to it. We're always nice. Come on, now,

1100
00:57:32.719 --> 00:57:34.239
come on, you.

1101
00:57:34.239 --> 00:57:36.400
Gotta like the Search for Spot Man. It's like it's

1102
00:57:36.440 --> 00:57:38.519
like the back half of of Con.

1103
00:57:39.599 --> 00:57:41.920
It is you have. You have the trilogy here man,

1104
00:57:41.960 --> 00:57:43.400
You've got con you got the Search for Spock and

1105
00:57:43.440 --> 00:57:46.719
The Voyage Home. Those three movies go together, they.

1106
00:57:46.599 --> 00:57:47.400
Really absolutely do.

1107
00:57:47.679 --> 00:57:48.000
Yeah.

1108
00:57:48.840 --> 00:57:52.239
All right, well, I thank you for taking some time

1109
00:57:52.280 --> 00:57:55.760
off the bridge at the Enterprise to to talk Georgia

1110
00:57:55.800 --> 00:57:58.480
Mara with me and to all of you listening to

1111
00:57:58.519 --> 00:58:02.159
the show, following us on social media, and subscribing to

1112
00:58:02.199 --> 00:58:03.880
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