G.I. JOE: A Real American Hero - The M.A.S.S. Device

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podcast. I'm Jeff Johnson with me
today fresh from Sergeant Slaughter's boot camp.

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I've got Wayne Whited and Scott Hoffman. How's it going boys, Hey Jeff,

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thanks for having us on OHO.
Everybody Yo Joe, Yo Jo.

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looking forward to hearing what you guys
have to say. So let's talk about

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why we're covering the Mass Device mini
series from the cartoon Gijoe Realmlican Hero aside

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from the fact that all of us
here are super fans. We grew up

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playing with the toys, We read
the comic books, we watched the cartoons.

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Honestly, for me, this goes
this goes back a couple of months

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to summertime. One of our listeners, Jason Costlit, he reached out.

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He gave us some positive feedback about
our nineteen eighty six series that Scott,

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I know you were a big part
of. He called specifically, he was

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calling out Transformers the movie, and
that kind of led to more conversation about

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Transformers and then gi Joe. He
made some requests like, hey, you

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guys should totally do Gijo the movie, and ever since then I've been like,

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man, I would love to find
a way to make that work.

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However, today, Tuesday the twelfth, happens to be the fortieth anniversary of

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the first miniseries, so I thought, what better opportunity to talk Gijoe than

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than today. We'll focus on the
mass Device. Jason, if you're listening,

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I hope you enjoy this one and
give it time. We'll find a

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way to get to the movie,
but for now, let's talk a little

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bit about the mass Device. I
do want to talk a little bit about

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the origin, like how this even
came came to be. I'm not sure

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sure if you guys have all the
background information. How far back does Gijoe

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go? I mean, I remember
they had the large figures like yeah,

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well, I'm not talking yeah,
I'm not talking about like the the original

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the vintage Joe's from the sixties.
I'm talking about like the Gijoe, the

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real American hero I would have been
nineteen eighty two, early nineteen eighty two.

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I remember when they first came out. Yeah, so, Wayne,

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you're you're one of the most You're
one of the foremost experts on comic book

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side that I know. Scott,
obviously you are in that conversation as well.

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Can either of you guys tell me
anything about Fury Force? So I

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did see that there was there was
an idea that they originally wanted to have

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this be about Nick Fury agent or
Shield versus hyper right, well close.

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So the original idea that that gets
floated is, uh, Nick Fury's son

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leads this special commando unit called Fury
Force, and they're supposed to take on

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the villainous organization Hydra. However,
it doesn't really go forward. No one

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really is into it, and then
Hasbro has the idea that they want to

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relaunch Gi Joe as smaller figures.
You know, they've seen how popularly the

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Kinner Star Wars phenomenon has is going. You know what's happening there, So

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their their whole plan is let's do
this, but they want to promote it.

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So there's a chance meeting between the
companies at a charity organization charity event,

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and they get the idea. They're
like, hey, let's let us

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help you. Marvel basically Marvel basically
says, hey, let us help you

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develop this thing, and then they
basically retro fit the Fury Force idea to

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make it work. As Gijo Larry
Hamma is involved, obviously, he creates,

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he creates this thing, and that's
how that's how it initially comes into

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be. So you have to remember
something. This is at a time when

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there are very strict regulations about UH
animation and toy commercials. So for whatever

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reason, you can only have a
maximum of ten seconds of animated content if

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you're doing a toy commercial. These
guys are geniuses because they find a way

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around it. Hasburg basically says,
look, we're going to use the Marvel

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comic book to promote the toy line, and then they hire Marvel Productions to

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do thirty second animated commercials for the
comic book. Is you have to you

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have to think about that. This
is unprecedented. A comic book has never

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had a commercial. Yeah, that's
that blows my mind right there. You

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know, Marvel's Marvel's paid five million
by Hasburg to make these commercials. And

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because of because as of the laws
that are involved, it's a clever way

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to kind of circumvent the strict ten
second rule. Right, It's Spring of

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nineteen eighty two. The commercial is
everywhere, kids are eating it up every

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you know, Marvel's happy, Hasbro's
happy. The decision is made to go

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all in and create a mini series
in nineteen eighty three that would become known

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as the Mass Device when it re
aired in syndication. Interesting, so it

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wasn't even necessarily at a full series
of the time. Yeah, this was

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Hasbro saying, hey, you know, we found a clever way to beat

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the system to sell more toys.
But now they're like, well, what

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if we just make a cartoon.
And the irony here is that kids are

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watching the animated commercials about the comic
book, which ultimately wants you to buy

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the toys. Now they're watching a
twenty two minute animated episode based on the

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toy line, and the commercials happened
to be commercials featuring children playing with the

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toys, because there's nothing wrong with
that. Yeah, the animation behind those

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commercials was dazzling. I mean it
was, as I remember, it was

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not like anything else that we were
seeing. And you basically have these little

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teasers do you see every once in
a while, and some of the other

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shows that through watching after school or
Saturday mornings, and now it's blown out

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into an entire story which had a
lot of depth and kept I remember,

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it kept me glued every single demosode
an episode. Scott, you and I

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talked earlier. We had an interesting
conversation. So Wayne, I'm gonna ask

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you a question because I kind of
did some digging and I want to hear

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Wayne's answer before I go forward with
it. Wayne, you obviously watched the

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G I. Joe cartoon growing up. Yes, So when did it come

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on? When did you want?
When were you watching it? I watched

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on September twelfth of nineteen eighty three, I saw the first airing of the

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Mass Device. I was already reading
the Gijo comic. I was one of

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those people that were blown away by
a comic commercial and ran route. It

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was right at the beginning of my
comic but collecting era and I ran out

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and I picked up that I loved
the comic series, and now I'm here

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it was on television. I rushed
home from school and watched the first episode

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and loved it. Key phrase there. I rushed home from school to watch

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it. Scott, you and I
were talking and you said that you were

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like, hey, I watched this
on Saturday mornings, right, yeah,

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and see I couldn't remember. It
was one of those things where once it

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was in syndication. I remember on
a regular basis having to get home from

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school at a certain time, make
sure that everything was settled. You've got

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your snacks, you've got your Cheetos, whatever it's going to be, and

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you're playing in front of the screen
to see what's happening in the next episode.

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But for the life of me,
I couldn't remember if Mass Device came

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on as an after school you know, five days a week, or if

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it was more like a weekly released
because I know there were big cliffhangers in

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every single one. And here and
here in lies the mystery. Wayne's watching

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it after school, You're watching it
on Saturday mornings. I'm watching it before

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school Monday through Friday. I distinctly
remember watching it at seven am because I

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knew as soon as it ended,
I had to run my ass to the

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bus stop. Oh my god,
I missed. I had missed the school

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bus. Wow. And here's the
thing. The cartoon is in syndication,

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so it just depends on the affiliates. The reason I saw it after school

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is because many of the networks had
picked it up yet I lived for Northern

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Ohio, so there was a show
on coming out of Fort Wayne, Indiana

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called Happiest Place. It was one
of those shows at lasted an hour and

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a half. It was hosted by
a clown kind of like Bozo, and

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you know, kids could go.
Then they played game, told jokes,

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and they showed cartoons every day Monday
through Friday, and I saw Gi Joe

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through them. That was the way
we could see Gijoe and heming on at

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the time. I know it also
played on Saturday as well, and you

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have their memory of remembering it in
the morning. We also had one in

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the morning. That's how I saw
Transformers. That would always air before school.

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But Gi Joe was shown during Happiest
Place in Fort Wayne. See in

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my part of the world, you
had Monday through Friday. In the mornings

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you had Gi Joe, Jim and
the Holograms, Transformers, and it was

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Saturday mornings. That's Saturday mornings were
reserved for like Mask and Pirates of Dark

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Water and rub the Cube and Smurfs. Yeah. So, yeah, it

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all depends on where you grew up. There is no wrong answer, you

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know. You know, we were
watching it on Saturdays. Some people were

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watching on Sundays. It just depended
on where the affiliates could fit it into

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the TV schedules, the local the
local schedules. Yep. I remember Saturday

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morning also seemed like a testing ground
for a lot of things, Like there

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was some moment in the calendar.
I feel like it was had to be

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around when school started, maybe when
you would get this giant lineup of all

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these new episodes. They'd be trying
out and some of them would stay on

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the lineup, and some of them
were kind of introducing it to it and

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then it would go to some other
kind of time slot like a Monday through

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Friday or something like that. But
whenever it was, Yeah, I have

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the same kind of memories about whether
you're running out to the bus after watching

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it or running home from the bus
to catch it. It's it's suddenly kept

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us coming back. Yeah. And
these mini series, you know, they

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the actual GIS series didn't start for
until three years later in eighty five,

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So I mean, you really couldn't
syndicate it very well. It's because it

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just, you know, five episodes
one week of showing. A lot of

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the networks wouldn't pick it up for
just one week and pre empt their other

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show. Absolutely. Let's talk a
little bit about Dan Thompson. He is

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the director this this this mini series. I know Ron Friedman is the main

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writer. He would also write several
the other mini series that that dam would

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direct. But I want to I
just wanted to point out, you know,

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I wanted to highlight some of his
his filmography. So looking looking him

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over, he kind of makes uh
for fans of nineteen eighty one. This

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is the key animator for the adult
animated film Heavy Metal, which I know

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you both have seen. Oh yeah, yep, yep, moves on.

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He's he does, he does.
He does more than one, uh Incredible

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Hulk animated series. His first one
ran from eighty two to eighty three that

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was just called The Incredible Hulk.
He was a sequence director, Yeah,

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he did. He did a handful
of episodes for the Transformers. He's on

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Swamp Thing, Tiny Tune Adventures.
Uh. In nineteen ninety six, he

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is working on jaman And I want
to point that out because one of our

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recent guests, animation director Andy Tom, who we talked to on our nineteen

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seventy six series for their Assaults on
Precinct thirteen, Andy also worked on Jamanji,

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So kind of curious if if they
were they were working together at some

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point. Well, we'll have to
talk to him. We have to reach

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out and get Andy's thoughts on on
Dan. And I'd love to get his

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thoughts on on Gijo because I can't
even imagine what he could do no one.

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Just knowing the man and knowing his
background, I can imagine what a

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Gijo cartoon directed by Andy Tom would
look like. It would be amazing,

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though, I promise you that Yeah, Dan did an amazing job of capturing

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the style that you were going to
see in the comics, but also in

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the figures themselves. It always felt
like, you know, you could you

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could grab them out of the screen
and have them right there in your living

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room. It was it was so
true to it, and the lines were

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so crisp. It just it looked
like a kind of style that I had

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never seen before, especially for an
action based cartoon like this. It was

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great to see Wayne. I know
you you're a fan. You're a television

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fan. You're a fan of of
these, these type the type of work.

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Did you ever see any of his
incredible Hulk series from ninety six?

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From ninety six, just just briefly. I only still a few episodes,

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I think there. At that time, I was getting out of college,

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so I didn't really have much time
for television. I've actually been catching up

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on them. They're on Disney Plus
and they're actually pretty good. I'm I've

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been digging them. So moving forward, you know, he does he does

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a lot of work on rug Rats. He's doing work on Inspector Gadget.

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So the guy Thompson has been around
the block. When it comes to popular

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cartoons. It's it's just it's just
very stylized. I'm surprised that he went

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into things like rug Rats and Inspector
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you know, even while the ordinaries
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audience, right, yeah, right, and a very much more of a

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rounded, much more of a cartoonist
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the square, rigid jaw lines that
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gonna see in G. I.
Joe. But it's necesprising you had an

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influence on a lot of these different
cartoons. Well, we're gonna take a

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quick break, and when we return, we'll be breaking down the mass device.

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He'll price for freedom. Wherever there's
trouble, G I Joe is there.

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It's here the G. I Joe
Collection. Infantry trooper code name Grunt,

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Bazuka soldier code name that Water soldier
hode name short fuse please a Rachael

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trooper code name flash Range your old
name, Stalker, communications officer code name

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Breaker, machine gunner old name rock
Conroll counterintelligence code name is Carlet's Commando code

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names Snake, Eyes, Peach sold
separately. GI Joe from asbro. Let's

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talk. Let's talk about the mass
device. So first off, if you

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don't own this, and I hope
both of you do, because I know

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I do. But if you don't, that Wagne's not on his head.

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If you don't, it is streaming
free on tub not just this mini series,

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but you know all of it,
because there's there's several mini series.

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There's two seasons. I say too
because I'm not going to talk about the

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Deek stuff because it's because it's because
it's garbage. Wait are you wait?

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Did you? First year wasn't too
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that for the first time about two
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season is is well, it's okay, it is a continuation. I but

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the second season I ignore that.
Just just ignore that. I'm ignoring all

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of it. G I, Joe, the movie is where it ends for

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me in nineteen eight. All,
well, let's uh this. This mini

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series is broken into five five episodes, so let's start with episode one,

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the Cobra Strikes. I cannot watching
it today. I still can't get over

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the fact that Scarlett pulls off this
Maverick Shenanigans where she's she's basically buzzing the

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tower, she nearly kills Duke snake
eyes and stalker. You know, Duke's

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super pisted, you know, can't
wait to just what's he say. I'm

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gonna kick the mustard out of that
hot dog. Yeah, it was a

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great line. It's a great line. But then all is okay when when

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the helmet is removed and Scarlett flips
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like she's in a Pantine commercial,
and then you know, everything's fine.

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It's like it's Scarlett. I also
thought it was kind of interesting,

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uh snake eyes reaction, Like,
here's this this valiant character that goes out

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of his We'll talk about it later
when he's you know, kind of self

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sacrificing kind of moments, but not
when he gets buzzed by a sky striker.

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He doesn't like pull his friends down. He's just like growing your own

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and he ducks. It's just like, man, that's cold, say guys,

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but I just yeah, it's fantastic. You know, it's fantastic opening

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for the cartoon. But damns her
is she gonna you know, Wayne,

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is she is? She not even
We're not even considering a court martial for

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Scarlett. All this, well,
I think they're a little lenient with that,

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especially with with Scarlett after she's she's
got connections to the Boss. I

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guess yeah, I guess you're right. But it gives way to a really

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great error attack from Cobra, you
know, led by Major Blood himself,

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and apparently you know, as far
as Duke's concerned, they're they're after the

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sky Strikers, the new sky Strikers. This is so we Wayne are we

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are we led to believe that that
this this uh, this terrorist organization called

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Cobra has a has like how however
many any jets you know, Rattlers as

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they're called, are they as Cobra
like a full has do they have a

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full air force? And Gijo's just
now getting around to it. None at

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this none at this point, not
now, at this point. This is

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really early in Gijo history. I
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only two waves of Gijo. This
is before the h the Rattlers and and

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Star Tan and Storm Shadow and all
that. So you know what we got

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with uh, with Cobra. We
got Cobra Commander Destro Baroness and Major Blood

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and that's about it. And a
whole bunch of bumbling foot soldiers I'm talking

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about. Destro might have one of
the most badass introductions in a cartoon ever,

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very mysterious. He's he's cloaked,
he's got a hood on, he's

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got the you know these like Sherpa's
carrying this, uh, these crates of

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of of equipment up the mountain to
this just awesome looking uh temple structure.

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We are dissappointed. You were expected
days, Sacho Gestro. The shipment was

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difficult to as symbol and I lost
war time climbing to this ridiculously melodramatic location.

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I designed the Cobra Temple to guarantee
a secrecy and security. Now what

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have you brought me? I gotta
ask something, you know, because we

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we want We all watched the cartoons. What's the deal with Cobra? They're

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they're hideouts there their headquarters. It
was always like some imposing, creepy,

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scary tower like like we see here, or it's like some just amazing fortress.

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Is Cobra wasting wayne Is Cobra wasting
the money building these things? Or

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is it a situation where they're kind
of they're moving in after someone's gone like

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like, you know, are they
like like the spirit Halloween stored like where

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they just like, oh this this
this giant eagle is shutdowns. So we're

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just gonna move in temple. This
temple has been abandoned for centuries. We're

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moving in. You know, I
don't know, I just I don't know.

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I always saw Cobra at Commander as
being rather wasteful. I mean,

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he's got quite an ego. He
needs those those big snake statues to to

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boost his his his moraleities. He's
got to have them around. He just

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loves the snake. Everything's snake around
there, just blowing the money by the

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millions. That's probably why they brought
in later, was it tomax Zamon to

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take care of the finances on snake
statues. Well, the most the most

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effective part of the cover organization is
the branding department, clearly because they're the

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ones that are just designed the logan. They put it on every single thing

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that they have, with like a
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if it was you know, if
if what we learned later is true in

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these stories, then apparently Cobra Law
put together a bunch of these towers and

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you know they sub let snake Mountain
from heman or from skeleton or something and

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just left them around. But how
did nobody know these things were there?

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Like they don't have an aerial photography, there's no way to around suddenly,

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And I know it's because I've got
I've got him on the brain, because

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we've just done two episodes of Buy
Him. But I like the idea of

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Cobra Commander removing his helmet and it's
mel Brooks and he's all merchandising merchandise.

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Yea, yep, yeah, put
put that Cobra logo on everything. But

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destro So he brings let's talk about
the mcguffin. He brings the three elements

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for for the device that we we
come to find out is called the MASS

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device. I'm gonna give bonus points
right now for anyone of you that can

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tell me what is what does MASS
stand for? Without looking up? No

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no cheating, matter your alteration.
And then the two other essays are just

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slither sounds from cover Commander, this
thing's a teleporter. MASS stands for molecular

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assembler. Scrambler sender that that just
sounds schizophrenic and confused. Let's just put

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a bunch of words and plunder and
that'll spell mass. Well. You know

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when when you talking about molecules,
it's it assembols them, it scrambles them,

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and it sends them. So you
know, I mean you got you.

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You two are the Star Trek guys. This is this is a teleporter.

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I thought you, I thought you'd
be into the Mass Device. You

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know, Cobra's beaming people up and
beaming people back. They've spent some money,

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so much money on logos where they
can't afford the copyright infringement costs that

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if they just got that the transporters, they were like, I don't know,

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find something with SS in it.
I want to talk about my favorite

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most likely to be in a Fletch
movie character. Let's talk about the Bareness

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as she's giving it. This is
the first time she does her disguise routine.

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She shows up as Major Juanita Hooper
m to just be a pain in

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Duke's ass basically, but it leads
to it leads to her helping Cobra steel

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this powerful satellite, and that's what's
going to help the Mass Device, you

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know, terrorize the whole the whole
world, right Yeah. By by very

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subtly playing with the earring like twenty
times. If you have some kind of

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like tracking device, don't touch it, don't keep drawing attention to it.

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You know that your to your point. Uh you know, a seven year

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old is not gonna understand that the
earring is a tracking device, but you

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know, but at least touch it
once or twice. Don't don't fidget with

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it the whole time you're you're busting
Duke's balls, is what I would say.

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Exactly. This leads to, uh, you know, the mass devices.

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It doesn't really do what it's supposed
to do at first. So Destra's

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like, it's cool, I got
it. I'll just beam everyone there and

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then I'll beam them back. Duke
gets taken hostage and sent to the Cobra

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slave quarters and prepped for this just
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Yeah yeah, and he faces off. I mean, I don't I

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don't know how all this person is
supposed to be, but he's the giant

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absolutely Like It's it's kind of like
so if if you're playing with these toys

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and you've got the Duke figure,
then next to him, you've got the

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human figure. It that's kind of
towering over him with the straps and the

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buckles and the studs and all of
a sudden kind of stuff. The guy

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was gargangelin. No, I'm gonna
tell you right now. So because I

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know, I know you guys bought
the toys, or you didn't buy the

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toys, the toys were bought for
you. I know you guys played with

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the toys. When I did the
mass device storyline, because I was a

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super nerd, you know, my
little brother was like, let's play,

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and he just wanted to like run
around the house with the with the sky

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Striker and he wanted to just all
right, this guy's gonna fight this guy.

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I had to take thirty to forty
minutes just to build like set design

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and get my storyline going. When
I built my little arena of sport in

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the backyard, in the dirt Duke
fought. If you guys remember the wrestling

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figures, there's like like eight inch
tall rubber wrestlings from w W L j

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N. Yes, So my Andre
the giant figure, which coincidentally was wearing

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blue trunks just like this behemoth in
the cartoon, that's who. That's who.

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My Duke character thought it was perfect, so and it was size appropriate.

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I loved it. Yeah, And
I mean at at the time,

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that kind of just makes me think
about the kind of community play of this

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whole toy line, Like you didn't
have to own every single character because your

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friend down the street does, and
you basically get your collection together with his

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collection and other friends around the block, and you just start playing with this

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and you've got this this this army
that you kind of build with your friends.

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It was a great time. That's
exactly what I did. Just described

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my child as to right there,
get together with all the friends he had,

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such and such characters and vehicles I
had such, and we go out

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and dirt and start playing Jed Joe. Yeah, so let's talk about Let's

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talk about episode two, Slaves of
the Cobra Master. We open with Duke

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fighting in the Cobra Arena, and
it's one thing if he's just fighting for

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his life, but I love the
fact that both he and Cobra's Champion cover

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Commanders Champion, they're controlled like Destro
and Cobra Commander are sitting there basically playing

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nineteen three's version of Nintendo. Yeah, and they're controlling all the actions.

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They're my first thought. Duke is
an officer, he's a man of action,

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but he's not smart enough to just
take the headband off. Well,

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wasn't there some kind of pain associated
with that? Wasn't it kind of like

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your head will explode or something?
Or did they not get well? No,

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I mean that knows. So if
it was like a running Man situation,

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yeah, that that would have been
cool. But I know the slave

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girl Selena, she gives him like
the little a little chip to like a

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little wafer or whatever to slide in
between to block the signal. But she's

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but she she tells him it'll it'll
cause immense pain, but you'll be free

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to do what you want. So
meanwhile, I'm just like, why not

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just take the headband off? Yeah? I just love it before he slides

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that little butterscotch wafer in between in
his forehead and the band that destro At

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some point decides I'm just gonna put
down my Atari twenty six hundred joystick and

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just let him fight, because,
like you said, he's already a man

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of action. Like what am I
doing here? Trying to like jump abba,

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you know, up down, up, down, left right, left,

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right, start. Just let him
do what he's gotta do and cover.

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Commander is going to fumble arout with
his joystick. Yeah. Destro is

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the guy that that knows that he's
never going to learn the fourteen hit combo

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on Mortal Combats, so he's just
gonna let the computer do it. You

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know. It's cool. Exactly.
Meanwhile, you got the Jo's, so

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they got their own you know,
they've got their own mass device. They're

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working to stop Cobra, and they
are off on their first mission, you

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know, because they got to get
some of these these radioactive crystals from the

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Sea of ice. Yeah. It's
like down in some kind of arctic cave,

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right, Yeah, an arctic mine. Yeah, this is a Scott

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You were talking about how uh Snake
Eyes sacrifices himself for the team earlier.

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Yep. This is one of the
coolest parts of the whole mini series,

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I think absolutely, like when you
get into the mine. First of all,

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it's a it's a brilliant play for
selling the toys because you have five

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different episodes in five different environments with
five different teams, so you're able to

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really easily sell a span of teams
that you want to run right out to

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you know, your local toys r
us and and and pick him up whoever

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you can you can find. Probably
not a great name for a character with

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was it snow Job? Yeah?
Those originally in that maybe they could have

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called me Avalanche or something like that. Anyway, well, there was a

403
00:31:55.440 --> 00:32:00.240
there was a figure name Avalanche later
there. Just yeah, it's just kind

404
00:32:00.279 --> 00:32:04.039
of odd. I won't go into
why, but get your mind out of

405
00:32:04.039 --> 00:32:09.200
the gunnarts. I am just let
seven year olds watching that's what Wait,

406
00:32:09.240 --> 00:32:15.319
what's weird about us? What's weird
about a Scottish guy with a big red

407
00:32:15.359 --> 00:32:20.440
beard that that loves being in the
Arctic and his name's snow Job. That

408
00:32:20.599 --> 00:32:23.119
well, I just think it's a
missed opportunity to not create a character that

409
00:32:23.160 --> 00:32:28.880
looks like Kurt Russell from the Thing. Maybe give him a different kind an

410
00:32:29.440 --> 00:32:31.519
I don't know. But when they
get into the cave, you've got these

411
00:32:31.559 --> 00:32:36.079
giant robots, you've got a new
team that's that's fighting them, and you've

412
00:32:36.119 --> 00:32:38.440
got this chance for Snake Eyes,
who I think was the coolest character on

413
00:32:38.480 --> 00:32:44.680
the Joe's uh to step into the
spotlight save the team. And you know,

414
00:32:45.680 --> 00:32:50.960
basically become radioactive. Wayne, two
quick questions for you. Question one,

415
00:32:52.200 --> 00:32:55.240
when it comes to your preference of
Snake Eyes, do you do you

416
00:32:55.279 --> 00:33:00.960
do you like this old school snake
Eyes motif where he's got like, you

417
00:33:01.039 --> 00:33:06.279
know, I think Scott called him
Randy Mochaman's sunglasses and like just like the

418
00:33:06.319 --> 00:33:09.960
body suit. Or do you prefer
like the visor more Ninja snake eyes that

419
00:33:10.039 --> 00:33:15.960
comes later in the cartoon. I
am Team Goggles. I love the for

420
00:33:16.079 --> 00:33:22.440
the original nineteen eighty two g I
Joe's I've been spending the last two years

421
00:33:22.440 --> 00:33:27.200
trying to collect them and again,
and the original Snake Eyes was was the

422
00:33:27.240 --> 00:33:32.119
best. I love how grounded the
original figures were. The original team was

423
00:33:32.279 --> 00:33:37.400
to the military. But yeah,
no original. The second one's nice,

424
00:33:37.519 --> 00:33:40.920
but yeah no, I'm always the
original, all right, Wayne's going original

425
00:33:42.039 --> 00:33:45.880
that does not come with Timber,
who is introduced in this mini series.

426
00:33:45.599 --> 00:33:51.480
But Wayne, my second question to
you, when we think of the writer

427
00:33:51.839 --> 00:33:54.759
Ron Friedman, chances are he's got
to be a Star Trek fan, because

428
00:33:55.359 --> 00:34:02.359
Snake Eyes does this Wrath of Cohn
Spock sacrifice situation. We even have the

429
00:34:02.440 --> 00:34:07.119
we even have the glass like the
whole you know, yeah, yeah,

430
00:34:07.159 --> 00:34:12.119
I'll never forget you know. Scarlet's
like, I'll never forget you. Right,

431
00:34:12.159 --> 00:34:15.639
he's gotta be a track fan,
he was. I swear, I

432
00:34:15.679 --> 00:34:21.079
know he's nattached. I he he
has to be a Star Trek things.

433
00:34:21.119 --> 00:34:23.639
I'm swear he I've seen his name
attaches something Star Trek, but I can't

434
00:34:23.639 --> 00:34:25.639
think of it right now. They
only think at that time. I can

435
00:34:25.639 --> 00:34:30.159
think of his names with Transformers,
but it's so obviously, Yeah, that's

436
00:34:30.199 --> 00:34:34.119
what they're thinking of. He's it's
Star Trek two. I appreciate that Scarlett

437
00:34:34.159 --> 00:34:37.280
takes a minute to be like,
you know, she's upset. I'll never

438
00:34:37.320 --> 00:34:39.440
forget you. Meanwhile, the the
others, you know, snow jobs like

439
00:34:39.480 --> 00:34:43.559
all right, like we gotta get
out of here. We can't do that.

440
00:34:45.519 --> 00:34:47.679
Oh look there's a ladder. I
dropped out. We got a way

441
00:34:47.679 --> 00:34:52.039
out. We gotta go. Yeah. I know, I know I'm cheating

442
00:34:52.039 --> 00:34:54.440
because we We've got three more episodes
to talk about. But but this is

443
00:34:54.440 --> 00:34:59.719
gonna be the highlight of the entire
series, right the I mean, we

444
00:34:59.800 --> 00:35:02.599
got we got the Cobra combat of
arena, you know, the Arena of

445
00:35:02.679 --> 00:35:07.639
Sport. We you know, so
Dukes fight Andre the giant. We got,

446
00:35:07.079 --> 00:35:10.599
we got this. We got Snake
Eyes doing what Snake Eyes does best.

447
00:35:13.079 --> 00:35:15.760
It's gonna be the best part,
right, Yeah, I mean,

448
00:35:15.880 --> 00:35:19.599
especially like you know, emotional arc, it's the first time you see a

449
00:35:19.679 --> 00:35:27.639
character effectively die. Yeah, he
didn't laugh for dead exactly. Uh.

450
00:35:28.119 --> 00:35:30.400
You mentioned like Scarlett's reaction and also
the kind of stuff and you you definitely

451
00:35:30.440 --> 00:35:35.039
saw that he was endangering. He
wasn't in a in a good spot.

452
00:35:35.480 --> 00:35:37.320
The next time you see him,
he's fighting a polar bear. So the

453
00:35:37.360 --> 00:35:40.360
odds are against Snake Eyes. I
don't know what the writer has against Snake

454
00:35:40.400 --> 00:35:44.559
Eyes, but what's been a lot
of peril. Well, let's move let's

455
00:35:44.559 --> 00:35:50.199
move on Episode three, The Worms
of Death. We open up. Snake

456
00:35:50.239 --> 00:35:53.840
Eyes has been saved. You know, he he survives his ordeal. He's

457
00:35:53.920 --> 00:35:58.119
glowing, you know, he's he's
like it's like Berry Gordy's the last dragon.

458
00:35:58.239 --> 00:36:00.880
He's got the red glow all around
him because he's carrying this radioactive tube

459
00:36:00.920 --> 00:36:08.000
of of crystals that he's still planning
on getting back to Joe headquarters. He

460
00:36:08.039 --> 00:36:14.280
gets attacked by a polar bear and
then uh, this wolf you know that

461
00:36:14.320 --> 00:36:17.119
he you know, initially he saves
the wolf because the wolf is like trapped

462
00:36:17.119 --> 00:36:22.639
in a in a and it's Paul's
trapped in a little in a trap.

463
00:36:22.519 --> 00:36:27.920
Yeah, why am I saying?
In a trap? Yeah? He helps

464
00:36:27.960 --> 00:36:30.239
out that, he helps out the
wolf. Then the wolf reciprocates helps him

465
00:36:30.280 --> 00:36:37.440
out. And then this this crazy
blind hermit shows up the big laser rifle

466
00:36:38.000 --> 00:36:44.000
whip kind of thing that he uses. He's like an amalgamation of Grizzly Adams

467
00:36:45.039 --> 00:36:49.639
build Bixby from The Incredible Hulk and
Gene Hackman from The Young Frankenstein, like

468
00:36:49.719 --> 00:36:52.760
all mashed into one massive guy.
Oh no, you know who he is,

469
00:36:52.840 --> 00:36:58.199
and and and the math whol the
math works. If you ever wondered,

470
00:36:58.239 --> 00:37:02.519
if you if you ever wondered what
happened to Yukon Cornelius, this is

471
00:37:02.639 --> 00:37:09.119
him. He shows up one with
his sled dogs, and he gave up

472
00:37:09.119 --> 00:37:12.360
on the pick axe. He doesn't
lick a pick axe anymore. He just

473
00:37:12.400 --> 00:37:19.559
goes right years years out there hunting
for silver and gold. He went blind,

474
00:37:19.719 --> 00:37:22.440
you know, snow blind. And
now this guy, you know,

475
00:37:22.880 --> 00:37:28.960
I'm surprised that they never made a
figure based on this guy. But he

476
00:37:29.000 --> 00:37:32.360
does the the obligatory let me you
know, he picks up snake guys who's

477
00:37:32.400 --> 00:37:37.519
unconscious, nurses him back to health
with what he says are our leaves and

478
00:37:37.599 --> 00:37:49.480
herbs. Sure so radiation poisoning,
No worries, just tea. Yeah,

479
00:37:49.719 --> 00:37:52.079
and then the joes are off.
We've got three elements that we gotta get

480
00:37:52.079 --> 00:37:54.199
to get this, uh, this
mass of ice working. So let's go

481
00:37:54.239 --> 00:37:59.880
after the second one. Uh.
They're deep sea diving for the heavy water

482
00:38:00.119 --> 00:38:05.599
and that's where they face They face
off with cobra, and that face off

483
00:38:05.599 --> 00:38:10.559
disturbs these these giant tube worms,
these very Cobra Law like tube worms yep,

484
00:38:10.840 --> 00:38:15.280
with the most horrendous sound effect ever. I'll be honest, that ship

485
00:38:15.440 --> 00:38:20.360
was scary as when I watched as
a kid. Yeah, because they're they're

486
00:38:20.440 --> 00:38:23.079
they're seeping out of these tubes and
then they're wrapping around the Joe's wrapping around

487
00:38:23.119 --> 00:38:29.119
the Cobra's. Yeah, it wasn't
it wasn't. Even watching it today,

488
00:38:29.199 --> 00:38:32.000
I had to have turned the volume
down a couple of times because that growl

489
00:38:32.079 --> 00:38:37.039
that they have, like it was
like a growl, howling bark. Yeah.

490
00:38:37.440 --> 00:38:42.639
I almost wonder, like, what
you know, Wayne, you mentioned

491
00:38:42.679 --> 00:38:45.719
Cobra law earlier. It was Cobra
Law always the the endgame. Did we

492
00:38:45.760 --> 00:38:50.000
know we were going to get the
Cobra Law because these things are right out

493
00:38:50.000 --> 00:38:53.280
of Cobra Law. Yeah, but
not at this point. I think,

494
00:38:53.960 --> 00:38:59.159
see the first couple of years,
Gijo is pretty grounded to military. I

495
00:38:59.239 --> 00:39:01.599
mean it could have it could have
actually been in the real world military.

496
00:39:01.760 --> 00:39:07.760
It wasn't until they started going nuts
around eighty six eighty seven and they started

497
00:39:07.800 --> 00:39:10.599
doing all the monsters and stuff.
I don't know where all that came out

498
00:39:10.639 --> 00:39:13.840
of. I think it was,
you know, we've run out of real

499
00:39:13.880 --> 00:39:16.079
military stuff less create our own things. But at this point now I think

500
00:39:16.119 --> 00:39:22.719
they were still pretty much military grounded. Well because well hold on, because

501
00:39:22.440 --> 00:39:24.880
when I think about when I think
about some of the season of the episodes

502
00:39:24.880 --> 00:39:29.079
that I watched as a kid that
I loved, Like they they went after

503
00:39:29.360 --> 00:39:32.719
h I remember, was it the
Spirit and storm Shadow. We're in Scotland.

504
00:39:32.760 --> 00:39:37.519
They were going after the EXCaliber sword
like the Lady in the Lake,

505
00:39:37.960 --> 00:39:42.000
you know those up the sword.
So you had episodes like that, you

506
00:39:42.079 --> 00:39:45.960
had episode that was years later.
So I think it's interesting, like thinking

507
00:39:45.960 --> 00:39:49.679
about Cobra Law and how the whole
thing fits into it. Like we did

508
00:39:49.679 --> 00:39:53.079
get a lot of like you mentioned, like the Excalar Excalibur episode, there

509
00:39:53.079 --> 00:40:00.000
are some things that got into a
little bit more like supernatural or metaphysic metaphors,

510
00:40:00.119 --> 00:40:02.159
a little bit more like, you
know, using your imagination. I

511
00:40:02.239 --> 00:40:07.079
think that really helps with when you're
playing with the toys. There's a lot

512
00:40:07.119 --> 00:40:09.480
of other things you're able to kind
of think about and explore in other ways

513
00:40:09.480 --> 00:40:14.280
that you're able to kind of make
it more than kind of just a realistic

514
00:40:14.360 --> 00:40:16.800
kind of like army thing. At
the same time, if you've got somebody

515
00:40:16.800 --> 00:40:22.159
who wants it to be more realistic, you totally can. I think it's

516
00:40:22.159 --> 00:40:30.480
interesting how it connects to Nick Fury's
origins because as you know, as you're

517
00:40:30.519 --> 00:40:36.320
getting into didn't he start with Sergeant
Fury and the Helly in Commanders like a

518
00:40:36.400 --> 00:40:43.519
very realistic war kind of comic,
and then getting into modern day when you've

519
00:40:43.559 --> 00:40:45.679
got things like Heman, you've got
things like Transformers that are also on the

520
00:40:45.719 --> 00:40:50.199
shelves kind of fighting for attention.
It felt like it needed to be more

521
00:40:50.320 --> 00:40:55.559
than more than a realistic war based
figure line. It had to be something

522
00:40:55.599 --> 00:41:00.039
that went to kind of some strange
places from time to time and get really

523
00:41:00.039 --> 00:41:06.599
spark your imagination and go to other
things. I feel like Cobra Law was

524
00:41:07.000 --> 00:41:13.400
a late ad. Obviously, we
didn't get that until Joe the movie.

525
00:41:13.480 --> 00:41:16.119
And it's right around the time with
like Tiger Force and Python Force when they're

526
00:41:17.199 --> 00:41:23.039
mixing the DNA of animals into airplanes
and things that got really really weird.

527
00:41:25.559 --> 00:41:28.880
But I don't know, it is
kind of interesting to think about whether or

528
00:41:28.920 --> 00:41:32.199
not they were planning it the whole
time, or if it's something that came

529
00:41:32.239 --> 00:41:37.599
in later in the game. Well, let's uh, I'm gonna get bogged

530
00:41:37.599 --> 00:41:42.760
down by the worms of Death,
so let's let's move on to Episode four

531
00:41:43.960 --> 00:41:46.880
definitely has the coolest title out of
all of them, Duel in the Devil's

532
00:41:46.920 --> 00:41:53.480
Cauldron. So this is the point
where this is basically like a full on

533
00:41:53.599 --> 00:41:59.639
fight. It's the whole episode is
centralized on this volcano. Destro's going after

534
00:41:59.679 --> 00:42:04.480
the meteor fragments for the you know, the third element that happened to be

535
00:42:04.599 --> 00:42:08.039
in this volcano, and it's just
a all in, all, all out

536
00:42:08.079 --> 00:42:09.639
fight. You know, we get
it. We got our first look at

537
00:42:09.679 --> 00:42:15.599
wild Bill though, which makes me
happy. Yeah, the Dragonfly was awesome.

538
00:42:15.199 --> 00:42:21.480
That was my favorite favorite ship mine
too, although I do kind of

539
00:42:21.519 --> 00:42:25.400
question the fusibility of their plan to
catch this thing a big net between skystrakers.

540
00:42:27.719 --> 00:42:31.079
Well, no, that was I
thought the Well, initially you got

541
00:42:31.119 --> 00:42:37.320
three dragonflies like cable you know,
with cables anchoring into it, and they're

542
00:42:37.360 --> 00:42:42.639
gonna, they're gonna, they're gonna
chop it out. Cobra as the the

543
00:42:42.960 --> 00:42:46.559
hairbrained scheme of let's let's scoop it
out and catch it with a a giant

544
00:42:46.559 --> 00:42:51.400
net on our you know what what
what I can only describe as like a

545
00:42:51.440 --> 00:42:55.599
Cobra's Cobra version of of a of
a shield helicarrier, because thing was it

546
00:42:55.679 --> 00:43:00.199
was like a small city flying through
the air. That's interesting. I never

547
00:43:00.199 --> 00:43:05.239
made that connection before. They totally
had hellic carriers. Yeah, Cobra did.

548
00:43:05.760 --> 00:43:09.559
Yeah, you know. Interesting,
But you get a great moment with

549
00:43:09.599 --> 00:43:13.159
the you know, now, now
we're just you know, Destro's got the

550
00:43:13.239 --> 00:43:15.199
upper hand, so let's let's throw
on some jet packs. Let's let's go

551
00:43:15.239 --> 00:43:20.880
after it. Scarlett gets taken hostage, though, which is interesting because it

552
00:43:20.880 --> 00:43:24.320
brings you back to that whole I
don't remember what the girl's name was,

553
00:43:24.360 --> 00:43:28.280
the one that gave him Selena's spatch
away for Selena, thank you. Yeah.

554
00:43:29.719 --> 00:43:34.559
Yeah. We get this interesting fight
between Scarlett and Selena and she recognizes

555
00:43:34.599 --> 00:43:38.280
the ring that Duke gave her and
she has to fight her way out of

556
00:43:38.320 --> 00:43:43.639
the same kind of predicament, right
yeah, well, I mean and going

557
00:43:43.719 --> 00:43:45.440
back to that because I think we
skipped over it. But in the second

558
00:43:45.480 --> 00:43:52.719
episode, she helps Duke Selena the
slave girl. She helps Duke escape with

559
00:43:52.800 --> 00:43:55.199
a hang glider of all of all
things, but he gives her like the

560
00:43:55.559 --> 00:43:59.360
class ring, like the g I. Joe class ring, that it was

561
00:43:59.360 --> 00:44:04.440
like a homing in it right right, ye standard yeah, standard, Well

562
00:44:04.440 --> 00:44:07.800
it's an officer's ring, right right, you know, right wing? I

563
00:44:07.800 --> 00:44:10.760
think that's right. Yeah yeah,
so it's it's it works, Scott,

564
00:44:13.480 --> 00:44:16.360
it fits. Yeah yeah, she
she gets she gets taken hostage. That

565
00:44:16.440 --> 00:44:20.519
kind of segue is right into now
where you know, it feels like you

566
00:44:20.639 --> 00:44:23.159
it's a blinking, blinking it's over
episode because now we're right into the fifth

567
00:44:23.199 --> 00:44:28.159
and final episode of the mini series, uh steak in the Serpent's Heart,

568
00:44:28.400 --> 00:44:34.519
because that's where it opens with Scarlett
meeting Selena and kind of leading this this

569
00:44:34.639 --> 00:44:38.559
rebellion. Yep, you know,
now now we got like a climactic moment

570
00:44:38.599 --> 00:44:44.760
from Temple of Doom where we're overtaking
the Cobra guards. But yeah, doesn't

571
00:44:44.760 --> 00:44:49.000
go as planned all the way,
right, Yeah, And I think you

572
00:44:49.079 --> 00:44:51.239
raise a good point when you say
blinking you miss it, because they did

573
00:44:51.320 --> 00:44:53.400
have you know, we got a
lot of many segments that they set up,

574
00:44:54.119 --> 00:44:57.880
uh, that we now have to
resolve and we have to kind of

575
00:44:57.880 --> 00:45:01.719
bring the team back together for the
big climax, which I think they did

576
00:45:01.719 --> 00:45:07.079
really well. Yeah. Well yeah, now here's one thing that I'm I

577
00:45:07.599 --> 00:45:13.519
called a question. So Duke,
you know, when he makes his escape,

578
00:45:13.559 --> 00:45:15.760
he basically he's got amnesia. He
has no idea how he got back

579
00:45:15.800 --> 00:45:20.920
home, doesn't know how he escaped, you know, obviously feeling the effects

580
00:45:20.920 --> 00:45:25.480
from the mind controlling headbands. So
Doc, who I know, Wayne is

581
00:45:25.519 --> 00:45:30.679
a big fan of He goes all
stranger things, and he puts Duke in

582
00:45:30.719 --> 00:45:37.119
this like deep sensory deprivation tank and
he's kind of talking him through his childhood

583
00:45:37.159 --> 00:45:43.039
and his time at college, you
know, kind of kind of you know,

584
00:45:43.320 --> 00:45:45.880
layering it in so we can get
all the way back to to to

585
00:45:45.960 --> 00:45:50.960
Selena. And this is this brings
me up to one of my favorite,

586
00:45:51.639 --> 00:45:57.719
uh favorite things, favorite tropes on
these Saturday morning cartoons because they're all guilty

587
00:45:57.760 --> 00:46:00.320
of doing it. I love the
fact that at whether you're in G.

588
00:46:00.440 --> 00:46:06.800
I. Joe headquarters or you're in
the you're at the Hall of Justice with

589
00:46:06.920 --> 00:46:16.639
the super Friends, every hero's fortress
or headquarters have these theater size screens and

590
00:46:16.719 --> 00:46:22.719
the villains can always just call you
right up and do like a you know,

591
00:46:22.920 --> 00:46:27.320
a FaceTime with you. Yeah,
early zoom, early zoom. Yeah.

592
00:46:27.480 --> 00:46:30.599
And if you're and if they're not
doing that, then we can,

593
00:46:30.679 --> 00:46:35.880
like if someone's having a dream or
somewhere we're reading someone's mind. It's all,

594
00:46:35.920 --> 00:46:38.639
it's all thrown up on the screen
because the minute Duke recalls Selena,

595
00:46:39.840 --> 00:46:43.960
breaker and out, you know,
gung Ho. And although there's there's like

596
00:46:44.000 --> 00:46:47.559
twenty Joe's in the in the room
with them, which I would have thought

597
00:46:47.599 --> 00:46:52.000
Doc would be a little more discreet
Wayne, I don't I don't know about

598
00:46:52.039 --> 00:46:55.920
his hypocratic oath, but we've we've
got like twenty Joe's in the in the

599
00:46:57.199 --> 00:47:00.440
in the in the room with them, and Duke's floating in his briefs in

600
00:47:00.480 --> 00:47:04.800
this tank. And then you're and
you're seeing you're reading his mind, you're

601
00:47:04.800 --> 00:47:07.679
seeing his mind, and then like
you see Selena and they're all like whoa,

602
00:47:07.760 --> 00:47:13.280
hey, you know they're whistling,
there's some cat calls. She's something,

603
00:47:14.480 --> 00:47:15.800
and I think breakers like, how
do you forget a face like that?

604
00:47:16.079 --> 00:47:20.800
It's like, well, I don't
know what thoughts on the deprivation tank.

605
00:47:21.639 --> 00:47:24.079
Well yeah, I think that was
a little odd, but you know,

606
00:47:24.199 --> 00:47:28.320
desperate times, you know that they
had to get down to find out

607
00:47:28.320 --> 00:47:31.280
what's happened, So you know,
why not let everybody else in the team.

608
00:47:31.280 --> 00:47:36.119
No secrets in the G I.
Joe team apparently, nothing classified.

609
00:47:36.400 --> 00:47:40.039
Yeah, yeah, we're gonna broadcast
and get some popcorn. We're gonna see

610
00:47:40.480 --> 00:47:45.199
all of Duke's secrets. Uh,
nothing redacted. Hey, I'll be honest,

611
00:47:46.880 --> 00:47:50.960
Duke is not the only one who
was violated with one of these things,

612
00:47:51.000 --> 00:47:54.719
because I remember on Spider Man and
his Amazing Friends, there was a

613
00:47:55.360 --> 00:48:00.960
there was a time where they hooked
up Iceman and you know, he got

614
00:48:00.960 --> 00:48:04.719
hooked up to one of these things
and they had to go through his mind

615
00:48:04.760 --> 00:48:07.760
and see his like origin story basically
pan out. And I'm like, I'm

616
00:48:07.800 --> 00:48:10.760
not getting in one of these things. That's that's a gamble. That's a

617
00:48:10.800 --> 00:48:14.719
gamble, you know. At least
at least let me screen it afterwards so

618
00:48:14.760 --> 00:48:21.519
I can pass forward to the parts. My privacy matters. Every every sci

619
00:48:21.559 --> 00:48:24.039
fi show and every cartoon has its
own mind probe. You know, how

620
00:48:24.039 --> 00:48:27.519
do you get something to scare the
kids I was scared of. I wouldn't

621
00:48:27.519 --> 00:48:30.320
want to get hooked up to that, absolutely not. But at any rate,

622
00:48:30.320 --> 00:48:34.679
we know where Selin is at,
we know we can we can beam

623
00:48:34.719 --> 00:48:39.280
in now, We've got all the
elements, So the Joe's teleport to the

624
00:48:39.320 --> 00:48:45.280
Cobra Temple, all hell breaks loose, we get our epic showdown. Everyone's

625
00:48:45.320 --> 00:48:50.840
fighting, fantastic ending. I think, yeah, yeah, you're basically throwing

626
00:48:50.880 --> 00:48:55.000
all the action figures into a bucket
and just shaking the ball around. Everybody's

627
00:48:55.039 --> 00:48:59.199
fighting. You're like, all right, kids, look by the entire aisle.

628
00:48:59.360 --> 00:49:00.880
We're not even try to break him
up in the teams anymore, just

629
00:49:01.079 --> 00:49:07.079
but a whole aisle to go nuts. I love the fact that this also

630
00:49:07.199 --> 00:49:10.760
this this, you know, because
the mini series does a great job of

631
00:49:10.840 --> 00:49:17.760
showing the transfer of authority in Cobra. Because in episode one, Destro is

632
00:49:19.519 --> 00:49:23.159
just like an arms dealer who is
here to help Cobra Commander and by the

633
00:49:23.239 --> 00:49:28.480
end of it, like him and
baroness Or in cahoots and he's ready to

634
00:49:28.519 --> 00:49:32.039
just you know, you know,
he's he's He's got more and more clever

635
00:49:34.719 --> 00:49:40.159
put downs for Cobra Commander as the
series wears on. Yeah, and Arthur

636
00:49:40.159 --> 00:49:45.679
Burkhardt, who plays who plays Destro
Man, he is just fun to listen

637
00:49:45.719 --> 00:49:51.239
to. Absolutely, Yeah, that's
an unmistakable voice. They got this very

638
00:49:51.320 --> 00:49:55.079
much like this Megatron Star stream kind
of dynamic going between the two that plays

639
00:49:55.079 --> 00:49:59.840
out in the whole series. But
this is one of the best places and

640
00:50:00.000 --> 00:50:05.320
absolutely Arthur's Arthur's voice saw this man. Nobody else could have done for Destro

641
00:50:05.519 --> 00:50:08.599
what he did. No, but
you got the end and they're all like,

642
00:50:08.599 --> 00:50:14.079
well, Destro got away, but
where's Cobra Commander And he tries sneaking

643
00:50:14.119 --> 00:50:17.719
out with like a basket on his
head, he's wearing a poncho. Yeah,

644
00:50:19.400 --> 00:50:22.360
come on, man, I mean
you've got a reflective face. I

645
00:50:22.400 --> 00:50:25.119
couldn't be able to hide that very
much. You're not walking right by snake

646
00:50:25.159 --> 00:50:30.880
eyes with with that kind of get
up their chance, man, I don't

647
00:50:30.920 --> 00:50:37.800
know. Gi Joe A real American
hero the mass device. This changed.

648
00:50:37.880 --> 00:50:40.840
This, This was a game changer
for cartoons as far as I was concerned,

649
00:50:40.840 --> 00:50:45.719
because I grew up loving the filmation
type stuff with with he Man and

650
00:50:46.280 --> 00:50:51.480
Thunder, the Barbarian. Those were
like kind of like my go toos before

651
00:50:52.679 --> 00:50:55.760
Gijo came along. And when this, when this came out, all I

652
00:50:55.840 --> 00:51:00.000
all I wanted was more of it. Yeah, you guys, well,

653
00:51:00.039 --> 00:51:04.199
and you've got to think about that. The popularity of things like Masters and

654
00:51:04.320 --> 00:51:09.360
Thunder really played into that kind of
fantasy angle, like you could, you

655
00:51:09.400 --> 00:51:13.800
could interchange, you could cross over, you know, toy lines if you

656
00:51:13.800 --> 00:51:16.639
want to. But yeah, this
one dominated. When you think about how

657
00:51:16.679 --> 00:51:22.480
many or how few characters actually debuted
in this one compared with the final lineup

658
00:51:22.480 --> 00:51:28.400
of Joe's, it's insane to think
about how how captivated we were with just

659
00:51:28.519 --> 00:51:32.039
kind of a small cast. Oh, this is so early in the g

660
00:51:32.159 --> 00:51:35.960
I Joe history too. I mean, you know, this, this is

661
00:51:36.000 --> 00:51:39.039
before we had figures of the Baroness
and Duke that neither one of them had

662
00:51:39.039 --> 00:51:42.760
been released. They won't be released
until the year after. And you know,

663
00:51:42.840 --> 00:51:45.840
I wanted a Duke figure, you
know, but we had to We

664
00:51:45.880 --> 00:51:49.360
had to mail them out and mail
out for him, and Baroness didn't come

665
00:51:49.440 --> 00:51:53.280
until the year after. And you
know, we didn't get planes for Cobra

666
00:51:53.400 --> 00:51:59.639
until the year after. But I
mean, what they intended was to sell

667
00:51:59.679 --> 00:52:02.440
toy and it worked on It worked
on me. I know that I wanted

668
00:52:02.480 --> 00:52:07.400
more gi Joe. Yeah, Wayne, as as our as our Joe expert.

669
00:52:08.719 --> 00:52:13.119
Let me ask you this because this
is something I noticed and I don't

670
00:52:13.119 --> 00:52:20.320
recall it in the figure the toy
figure line. We talked about the transition

671
00:52:20.480 --> 00:52:25.719
that Snake Eyes has in his look, but this is also a situation where

672
00:52:25.719 --> 00:52:31.679
the Baroness in this mini series she's
in like a blue cat suit with like

673
00:52:31.920 --> 00:52:37.840
yellow shoulder pads on it, and
like she's got like the green tinted glasses.

674
00:52:37.480 --> 00:52:39.880
This is not the Baroness figure that
I had. I had the one

675
00:52:39.920 --> 00:52:43.920
that was like an all black did
way did they ever make this this figure

676
00:52:44.000 --> 00:52:45.280
this version. No, well they
did, like later on, like in

677
00:52:45.280 --> 00:52:51.199
two thousand and five or six,
but back then, no Baroness was specifically

678
00:52:51.239 --> 00:52:53.519
created for the comic books, and
they transition to her over to the cartoons

679
00:52:53.559 --> 00:52:58.480
and she's wearing the outfit that she
had in the comics until the figure came

680
00:52:58.480 --> 00:53:01.199
out next year in eighty four,
and then that's when she got the black

681
00:53:01.199 --> 00:53:06.599
outfits and we had a figure of
her, and then they well, I

682
00:53:06.599 --> 00:53:08.360
think it was either the next MANI
series or this mini series after that they

683
00:53:08.360 --> 00:53:12.800
switched over to the action figure.
Look, I think they made the right

684
00:53:12.800 --> 00:53:17.559
call by switching over to the all
black outfit. Not that it wasn't a

685
00:53:17.559 --> 00:53:22.320
good design in the Mass Device mini
series, like you say, with the

686
00:53:22.519 --> 00:53:24.840
green tinted glasses and all this other
kind of stuff, but I think they

687
00:53:24.920 --> 00:53:29.199
definitely made the right call with the
new Baroness. Look. Yeah, when

688
00:53:29.199 --> 00:53:34.800
I think of the Barness, I
also think about Morgan Lofting, who voiced

689
00:53:34.920 --> 00:53:37.280
the character. Oh yeah, she, I mean, show was so amazing.

690
00:53:37.320 --> 00:53:40.559
She did such an incredible job on
this. I don't know if Morgan

691
00:53:40.639 --> 00:53:45.880
was one of the ones that that
did multiple voices for characters, because I

692
00:53:45.880 --> 00:53:50.480
know, I know Burkhard did.
If she did, I don't, I

693
00:53:50.480 --> 00:53:54.400
don't know, because sometimes like you
hear a little bit of you know,

694
00:53:55.679 --> 00:54:00.159
if Arthur Burkhardt is doing Destro and
then he's doing Stalker, you you you

695
00:54:00.199 --> 00:54:07.199
know, you know, uh,
Morgan's Morgan's performance as Baroness though, was

696
00:54:07.239 --> 00:54:10.920
always it was just crisp. It
was like it just she just sounded like

697
00:54:10.960 --> 00:54:15.800
a villain. We had a deal, Baroness, a deal with Cora.

698
00:54:17.840 --> 00:54:22.880
Surely you can't be serious. Yeah, yeah, I could never fin down

699
00:54:22.920 --> 00:54:27.599
like what kind of accent she had, but it didn't matter because it was

700
00:54:27.639 --> 00:54:31.360
so distinct. It was almost like
a what I'm thinking, like Rocky and

701
00:54:31.400 --> 00:54:36.760
Bullwinkle. What was her name,
Natasha? Natasha? A little bit of

702
00:54:36.760 --> 00:54:42.199
a twinge of Natasha in there,
but otherwise very distinct and a great compliment

703
00:54:42.280 --> 00:54:45.599
to Destro's character. So I'm glad
they paired those us. Yes, great,

704
00:54:45.639 --> 00:54:49.000
Yeah, great pairing. Great pairings. Well, speaking of great pairings,

705
00:54:49.960 --> 00:54:55.440
you two are back later this week
with the first episode of Drawn into

706
00:54:55.480 --> 00:55:00.960
Lower Decks. My understanding is the
Paramount Plus did like the double the double

707
00:55:00.000 --> 00:55:05.159
shot. We got episodes one and
two yet released. Yea, but double

708
00:55:05.159 --> 00:55:08.840
shot in the first one. So
we'll be talking about both and talking about

709
00:55:08.840 --> 00:55:15.360
some of your favorite bits. So
tuned in, we'll do. For those

710
00:55:15.400 --> 00:55:22.159
of you listening, tune in this
Wednesday for the debut of Drawn into Lower

711
00:55:22.239 --> 00:55:28.280
Decks, and then later Friday,
our nineteen seventy six series we'll be back

712
00:55:28.760 --> 00:55:34.960
another bonus episode. Jason Colvin of
the Surely You Can't Be Serious podcast will

713
00:55:35.079 --> 00:55:40.719
join me for a conversation about one
of the greatest baseball teams ever to play

714
00:55:40.760 --> 00:55:49.920
the game in a movie called Bad
News Bears Nice until then, As Cobra

715
00:55:49.960 --> 00:56:28.360
Commander would say, so long.
I'll tell you something. It is a

716
00:56:28.440 --> 00:56:32.719
shame that Dave is not doing this
episode with us. Well, this is

717
00:56:32.760 --> 00:56:37.639
not the only uh kind of mini
series they did for this right, yeah,

718
00:56:37.800 --> 00:56:43.960
yeah, there were, there was
massive yeah yeah, yeah. He

719
00:56:44.000 --> 00:56:46.559
can always come back if we do
another one. We yeah, anyone asked.

720
00:56:46.559 --> 00:56:54.000
We'll just tell him he's out seeing
Cold sletherin concert. Uh, all right,