Dec. 11, 2025

Guillermo del Toro - Frankenstein: Part One of Two

Guillermo del Toro - Frankenstein: Part One of Two
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Season 6 A Film By...

David, Amber, and Angela have stitched together a bonus, two-part episode for you today! The trio have a lively conversation about Guillermo del Toro's passion project, Frankenstein!

Join the conversation as they explore del Toro's reimagining of Mary Shelley’s classic tale through his signature blend of gothic beauty, emotional depth, and monstrous humanity. The film's cinematography, bold performances, and intricate costume details are all under examination as they determine whether or not this may be the filmmaker's most personal creature film yet!

They discuss the film’s bold visual style, the performances driving its tragic core, and where it sits within del Toro’s larger body of work. Join the conversation as they examine why this adaptation might be the filmmaker’s most personal creature feature yet. Part 1/2

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There are many classic novels and stories that have been

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turned into some amazing films over the years. Jane Orry,

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to Kill a Mockingbird, le Mens rob to just name

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a few. Any favorites that you ladies can think of

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that you have enjoyed.

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Being a huge Jane Austen and Bronte Fan Bronte, Yes,

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I get as a you know, a little bit darker

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and because I know Amber and I have had a

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little exchange about the weathering right, But definitely with Jane Austen,

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like Emma Thompson did a fantastic job with since Insensibility.

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That is definitely one of my favorites and recommendations, as

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well as the ninety five Pride and Prejudice series adapted

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by Andrew Davies. So those classics I definitely highly recommend.

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I love the book Jane Eyre is one of my favorites,

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and I've yet to find a bad adaptation of it.

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I've seen them all. They're all really good. But I

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also love.

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Daphne du Maurier kind of like plagiarized it and wrote

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the book. Rebecca and Alfred Hitchcock did a great adaptation

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of that book. It is like no other version is

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as good as that movie.

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And I know you did an episode on Rebecca.

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Not too long ago here on a film by But yeah,

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that Hitchcock version is it just cannot be beat. It's

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so good.

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It's a good one. Great pics, great picks. Well, today

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we are going to discuss one in particular, a classic

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story written by Mary Shelley in a film by Guillomo

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de Toro in his twenty twenty five soon to be

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classic film Frankenstein Birth is.

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Not an hour hand? Is it that sparked the animation?

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Thought and soul? That is a concept. But this now

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their life.

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Hello everyone, and welcome back. I'm David Burns.

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Him Amber Lewis.

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Hi, I'm Angela Norris, and this is a film by

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podcast Amber Angela. I am beyond excited to discuss this

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masterpiece with the both of you. I knew once I

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saw this film a few weeks ago that we had

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to talk about it, and we had to do it soon. Amber.

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I know you were posting on Facebook right away that

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we had to somebody had to talk about this. You know,

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I have watched it so many times now and I

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got to tell you it just gets better and better mhm.

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Absolutely.

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There's always something new you either pick up on, you know,

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a ton of it, an element of you know, whether emotional,

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just to you know, observation and the production. I mean

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especially that, like you know, if you just watch it once,

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we're just kind of don't pay attention to the characters, just.

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Focus on the scenery and the and the.

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Design everything, because it is a overall is it just

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a complete work of art.

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And I know you're you're the one that first pointed

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out it was a masterpiece, and it was before I

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hadn't even seen it yet, so I'm like I was

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like rolling mising, whatever Amber not a masterpiece, for crying

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out loud, we don't have. Then I watched it. By

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the time I got in it's like, well crap, Well.

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I you know, have done two different episodes on Gamma

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del Torre's work. We did one over on Docking Day

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on the film Mimic, and then we did one here

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on the film Devil's Backbone, and I just listeners that

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have heard those episodes. No, I cannot gush about him enough.

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He is one of my favorite directors, and this is

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a passion project of his. He's wanted to do it

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for ever, and so the minute I heard that he

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was doing it, I was one hundred percent all in.

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And my only regret is that I did not make

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it to see it in the theater if they release it,

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like everybody needs to run and see it in the theater,

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because the scale of it and the production value is

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just out of this world.

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What it was only there for a week, wasn't it

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in the theater?

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It was very quick, sure, And I'm like when I.

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When I watched it, I was like, why did I not

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see this in the theater because it's just absolutely stunning

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and it needs to be seen on the biggest screen possible.

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Yes, nice, but schedule and time all oud.

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Yeah, life, kids in the way, and I'm you know,

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I am not one to rush to the theater like

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you know, big huge epic things and anything by Christopher Nolan,

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I know has to be seen in the theater.

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Oh yeah, you know.

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We went to see The New Superman. That was like,

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of course, have to go to see that in the theater.

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But then other things like you know, the intimacy of it.

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It's fine on a TV, like, I don't mind, but

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I was so just blown away by the detail in

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this movie that you know every like Angel was saying,

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every time you watch it, you notice something different, and

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so just imagine the greater layers that you'll get into

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seeing it on a big screen.

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Like, yeah, that's very, very true. I know typically we

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talk about these three facts in Trovia, but as you said,

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you know, we've already covered Del Toro with you and

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Jeff did with The Devil's Backbone, which is a great

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film by the way, if you've not seen the listeners,

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go check out that podcast and go check out that

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film because it's fantastic. But I did I did want

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to give a quote that del Tora had, because he's

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got a lot of them, but this one kind of

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made me giggle because because of who he is and

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his love, he says, if you're not operating on an

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instinctive level, you're not an artist. Reason over emotion is bullshit,

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absolute bullshit. We suffocate ourselves in rules. I find fantasy

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liberating and I love that quote. I love that quote

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so much from him, and to see his love just

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everything he's done, you can see his love get poured

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into it. So when we use the word masterpiece for Frankenstein,

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considering the work this guy has done that tells you

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what an amazing film Frankenstein is. So, but before we

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really continue on with that, just in case there is

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some crazy person out there who doesn't know the story

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of Mary Shelley's Frankenstein Abery, can you tell us a

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little bit about it please?

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Certainly.

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The story goes that doctor Victor Frankenstein, a brilliant but

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egotistical scientist, brings a creature to life in a monstrous

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experiment that ultimately leads to the undoing of both the

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creator and his try creation.

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Intect with Just.

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Where did you say that description was from?

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That's just the one on IMDb. It's very nice, short,

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sweet to the point.

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So because I'm I'm o c D with certain things,

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he technically wasn't a doctor.

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He was just a scientist. He was actually a college dropout.

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He wasn't for a doctor.

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So because I had to be careful when I was,

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Everybody's like, he's not He's not really a doctor, you know,

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maybe in his own mad world. But just just for

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fy f y, I reference and.

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Well and it's it's Frankenstein.

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Frank We'll get we'll get to that one.

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Yeah, I know, we're all going on our pick, that's

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for sure.

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Plus the obvious giveaway that he wasn't a doctor, I mean,

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the stitching skills, yeah, come on now, come on.

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Yeah, So just that little.

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bit about him loving the story. I mean, he says

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that he has loved the story of Frankenstein since he

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was like nine years old. Yeah, and this was like

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a pet project of his over the years, and it

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just never got to the point where he was ready

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to create it yet to bring it to the screen.

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And what really pushed him over the edge apparently was

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making Pinocchio for Netflix, because if you think about it,

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Pinocchio Frankenston kind of go hand in hand a little

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bit just because of the you know, the creature in Pinocchio,

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both trying to find that they want to be human,

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you know, that kind of thing. So, you know, as

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the Iron film, yeah, absolutely was. So the Iron was hot,

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and he decided, you know, to go ahead and do it,

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do it. And I'm sure Netflick was probably in the

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contract with Netflix, Hey I will do Pinocchio for you

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if you let me do Frankenstein.

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So well, and the smart thing that Netflix did was

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pretty much gave him carte blanche to do his movie.

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You know, he famously had huge struggles with the studio

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on Mimic and has never again been willing, you know,

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to compromise his vision and will only work with studios.

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That will you know, support him in that.

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And so I think, you know, there's been a lot

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of arguing online about you know, is it a faithful

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adaptation and things that he changed and stuff like that,

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but you're not really going to see this to see

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and according to Hoyle Mary Shelley adaptation, you're going to

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see this to see a Gamma del Tora movie, and

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the fact that it's this labor of love. You know,

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he saw this movie, like you said, when he was

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nine and his grandma took him to see it, and

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it like it was like the you know, scales fell

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from his eyes, like it completely was one of those

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just life changing moments and has always stuck with him.

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And so I was just so excited when I read

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that he was finally getting to do it, and then

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to see the finished product is like, you know, like

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want to give.

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Him a hug, like, good job.

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I'm sure he's walking on cloud nine now. As good

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as it turned out.

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There'sh Yeah, you can definitely tell this has been in

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his mind and his heart and his soul and his blood,

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you know, his whole life. And and uh, you know,

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like you're saying him being able to work with a

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studio of you know, hey, trusting his vision and you know,

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because while there have been several adaptations and you know,

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spin off kind of things, you know, for someone to

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really while there were changes, you know, as far as

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the character relationships with with one another from you know,

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the book, he didn't lose sight of the heart and

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soul and the themes and everything of this which which

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I really enjoyed. And you know, and I'm not such

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a stick with that. If you can, you know, make

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it your own reimagine, but not losing that core, that

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that soul of it all them up paired to you.

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And like I said in my review, if there was

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one person definitely you know, to entrust bringing that to

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a new adaptation, it would be del Toro.

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Well.

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I the love that he shows for not just the

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original nineteen thirty one film, but for the source material itself.

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I mean, the only thing I regret about leaving Twitter

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is not getting to follow him on Twitter anymore because.

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I've been off there for over a year now.

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Yeah, he's such a marshmallow.

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And like when they were shooting this film, he went

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to Mary Shelley's home and like just left two roses

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on the doorstep. Oh wow, you know, and he used

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her handwriting as the font for the credits. I mean,

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just little things like that that you know he loves

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and respects her work. You know, it wasn't just the

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Boris Karlot film that got back to him, right.

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And I really appreciate that.

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Sorry, Dave, didn't mean to, but since you brought up

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you know, del Toro, you know, really acknowledging Mary Shelley's

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work genius on her own, because I mean she did

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write this in about what eighteen eighteen, so obviously thinking

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of that time period and her being a woman. Because

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some funny when I did watch the nineteen thirty one

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Frankenstein and notice in the credits.

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Yeah, oh god, okay, you.

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Caught this too, that it's not the story by Mary Shelley,

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it's by missus Percy B.

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Shelley.

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I'm like, what the.

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Damn it, you know, and it's just like without this woman,

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and you know, and you know how the story came

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to be, and you know the friendships that she had,

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you know, like you know, Lord Byron and and and

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now you know her husband being supportive in this and

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then you know, basically kind of challenging each other to

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come up with an appropriate ghost story. But yeah, as

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soon as I saw that in nineteen there were on credit,

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I was like, I'm like, I just died a little.

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Understandably I would have too. It's just it's aggravating, it

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absolutely aggravating. Yeah, It's it's funny that you're hitting all

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on this because while doing my research, I came across

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an article that really hit home about this film. Now

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these are not my words, but are spot on about

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the film. The article reads, most of the previous Frankenstein

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films went after the horror aspect and truly missed what

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Mary Shelley meant in her book, and Dettorero captured it brilliantly.

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Mary Shelley expert Julie Carson says that Total's take is

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more faithful than most, not in plot, but in spirit.

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It's a story still told through Victor in the creature's eyes,

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still bound by guilt, but now rooted in emotion rather

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than ambition. Victor's cruelty isn't just scientific obsession anymore. It's

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inherited trauma, a violent father, and need to prove worth,

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a cycle of shame that echo through every scene.

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Absolutely, and I think quite of you know that new

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uh you know, uh, that generational trauma you know that

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has been talked a lot a lot more you know,

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in recent years. I think that uh, including that and

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and and adding fuel to Victor's story. You know, while

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it's skewed from the book, I you know, I understand

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those changes, and it definitely helped support again the the

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root the heart of of those you know subjects, including

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you know, passing on you know trauma, not you know,

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sacrificing you know, a reality for you know, greatness, but

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not really having that long term sight of seeing consequences

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of our actions, are really properly thinking things room of

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you know what I could you know, uh to you know,

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to quote Jeff Goldblum, you know we could, but should

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we think you know it talks about the dinosaurs. Uh So, yeah,

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that that definitely should resonate with a lot of people,

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and also just the general of you know, finding your

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place in the world, finding your purpose.

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Why am I here?

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Kindness without judging a book by its cover, and having

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the like this ideal expectations rather than just letting things

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come naturally and.

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To become who we need to be.

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be accept wanting to belong you know all those points.

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No, absolutely, and that's what's well said. I mean, you know,

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we we know he made changes for this, but it's

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in my opinion, it's it's del Toro being as brilliant

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as it is. And I'm gonna use brilliant because it's brilliant.

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Absolutely, I mean the I mean calling them changes, I

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don't even want to call them changes because it feels

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like it's down plane or making it as if it's

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less than you know, personal source.

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But but you know.

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not a faithful retelling. It is an adaptation of the

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story that you already know. And you know, like you said,

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when I started, you know, Day challenged us to pick

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the other versions that we liked, and so I was

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looking like, okay, well, I need to look at because

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I know I'm forgetting some you know, so I like googled,

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you know, all the Frankenstein movies.

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And there's like hundreds of that.

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I mean so many, and even if you kind of

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branch off to ones that don't necessarily fit, but they

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kind of are the same kind of story. And so

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when you look at that, like, why would you just

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tell the same story again again again without making it

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your own sensibility?

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And you know, I think we all knew when going

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in that.

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If you've ever seen any other del Tora movie, you

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know that the monster is going to be hugely empathetic

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character in this, or should say, the creature. But at

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any rate, I always forget because I'm always so captivated

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by del Toro's female characters and the creatures, the fairy

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tale beings. You know that he puts in his films

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that are supposed to be scary but not, or supposed

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to be a villain but aren't, And I always forget

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that he has absolutely diabolical villains.

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And so when Victor, you know he kind of.

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Is leaning that way anyway from the very beginning, but

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when he finally makes that turn and goes full villain.

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Mode, Like I had to stop the movie. I was so.

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Upset the first time I saw it, I was like,

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this freaking guy, Oh my god, you're the worst, you know,

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And I just had to pause and take a minute

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because it was so upsetting. And then, you know, my

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I was watching it with Liam and he looked at

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me and he was like, we just watched Penn's Labyrinth

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like three days ago. Why are you surprised Victor turned

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out to be like the worst human imaginable.

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It's true, he did, yes, and then with you, you know,

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bringing up you know how he loves his monsters and

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being empathetic. What I really liked about his presentation of

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the creature, and actually I kind of found it cool

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that he talked about it. Del Toro said, what I

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wanted was for the creature to be a newborn, something pristine,

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something beautiful, because if Victor has been thinking about it

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for decades since he was a kid, he's going to

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create a work of art and not an accident victim

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or somebody coming out of the ICU looking at you,

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brun as Frankenstein monster. He needed to look beautiful, like

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a baby, like a sort of essence of a human being.

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You have to start with nothing and then evolve into

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a full human being who for the first time at

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the end of the movie, makes his own decision. So

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I really liked that that was his you know, approach,

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that he wasn't out to This wasn't intended to.

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Be a monster, you know.

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And you can even see that too with the makeup

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and you know, the cost and just how you know,

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and I know we'll get to you know, the performances

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and stuff, but you know, how the creature was embodied.

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But I really loved that presentation and that visual and.

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That's what he had had said about that, because that was.

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One of the first things I noticed was you know,

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what he was made what the creatures made of?

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Yes, well, and the people that he interacts with that

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are truly empathetic souls. Their first reaction is that, like,

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maybe he was a soldier that was injured or something.

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Like Elizabeth, the first thing she says to him is

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who hurt you? You know, and even you know, the

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blind man was just assumed that, like he was a

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soldier that had been wounded and like didn't have his

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memory and stuff like that. So the empathy and the

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kindness that they lead with in contrast to Victor's contempt

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is just it's so stark and so brutal. It's just

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just amazing.

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It is. It's funny that we talked earlier about how

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watching this movie, you know, over and over it just

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gets better and better. This movie is like an onion.

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You peel away one layer, you find something new. You

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peel it another layer and you find something different. It's

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crazy on how layered this film is. By del Toro.

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One of the things I found interesting is if you

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watch closely as the movie goes along, the creature starts

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walking more upright like a man, huh, whereas Victor starts

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stooped over like a beast to show you who the

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real monster is. I mean, that's brilliant contrast.

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Yes, and all those little details like shout out to

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all of those people.

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On social media that are have sharper.

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Eyes than mine that pointed things out that I may

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have missed because little details like on the back of

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Elizabeth stresses it looks like a spine. Yes, okay, And

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you know, if you watch on Netflix, they have I

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don't know if you guys watched it, they have a

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making of documentary that is just amazing, and they go

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through every detail, They go through the costumes and the

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makeup and the you know, sets and everything, and like

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her the patterns on her clothes were made of you know,

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like butterflies and blood cells and just all these little

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details that just make everything, you know, to David's point,

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so much richer.

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And did you notice in that documentary, del Toro had

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to approve every single thing.

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He started in makeup and special effects, and so he

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knows how to do every job that he hires you

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to do. So I love that he hires these true

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artisans to help realize his vision. And you know, he

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said other people, other directors will put their office like

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by production and accounting.

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He's like, I put my office in the art department.

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And you know, and I love in the documentary as well,

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like it shows you know, him getting the scenes ready.

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He's got like his hands in there, like he's manipulating

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the dummy for the creature, you know, and stuff like that.

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Like he you know, is puts his blood, sweat and

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tears in like every single molecule of his films.

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And it's just amazing.

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You literally can say he is a hands on director.

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I mean and why wouldn't you want your office being

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right next to the art department. I mean all that

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energy and that that that in the air and just

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feeding off of each other. Why would you want to

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be in next to in the account or you know

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something dull you.

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Know well, and the way he gets them all to

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work together because things that the costumer did informed the

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set decoration and the lighting choices and the color palette

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and vice versa, you know, which just makes energy.

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And yes, yes, everybody feeds off Del Toro's energy. Everybody does.

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And that's why it turns out so well is because

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of that. He's got that love, that passion that just

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goes into everybody that's around you.

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And it only makes them better at their own particular

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craft too, you know, with that, so you know, even

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though they have, you know, their amazing talent you know,

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on their own and then being you know, pushed to

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that next level by someone at the helm like Del Toro. Mean,

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who wouldn't want that kind of direction and feedback and

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hands on and be like dude, because you're just gonna

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make me better at you know, my contribution to this

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you know huge you know production.

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So heck, yeah, what do you let.

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Me know what can I do? You know what it

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means really push to that level and challenging. So I

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mean that, and you know we'll see those people progress

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and other types of you know, films and so forth,

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you know, because of them being under the guidance of him.

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When I saw it when on a writer just did

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an interview talking about her career and she was talking

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about working with Tim Burton, and she said that he's

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one of the few directors that doesn't direct from video village.

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He is like right next to the camera in your face,

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like directing you every second, like you are in the

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moment together. And Garama does the same thing, like he

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is right there, you know, guiding them through. And so

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you get these amazing performances you know that you know

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are so gently guided, and you know it's a collaboration

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that just you know, not a lot of productions have.

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They don't. And that's why he wants control over everything,

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because he doesn't want the studio to say anything. And

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I'm one hundred percent behind him on that for sure. Well,

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I tell you what, let's go ahead and take our

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break and we come back. We'll start talking about this cast.

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We have a lot to talk about. So we will

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be right back. Welcome back, everybody where. We are continuing

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our discussion of Guielmrlo de Toro's Frankenstein with Amber and Angela. So, ladies,

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let's talk about this brilliant cast. And again, I want

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to keep using the word brilliant because everywhere you look

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in this film, it just is everywhere. So let's start

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off with the man himself, Victor Frankenstein. I saw Oscar Isaac,

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so I know he was the only choice for Del Toro.

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He didn't want anybody else. He went right for Oscar Isaac.

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And I know Oscar has done quite a few things

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over the years, but I gotta tell you, without question,

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this is his best performance.

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Yes, yes, yes, I mean we can argue later about

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the fact that Sinners is still the best movie of

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the year.

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And I wanted to win all.

470
00:26:31.720 --> 00:26:34.720
Of the things, but I would not be sad if

471
00:26:34.880 --> 00:26:39.400
Oscar Isaac won and all the awards for this performance,

472
00:26:39.480 --> 00:26:45.119
because my god, yeah, he is amazing and I hate

473
00:26:45.200 --> 00:26:48.880
him so much in this movie, like I love him

474
00:26:48.920 --> 00:26:52.119
as an actor, but oh my god, by the end

475
00:26:52.200 --> 00:26:55.160
of the movie, you're just like, well, somebody please shift

476
00:26:55.160 --> 00:26:57.880
this guy and put us all out of our misery

477
00:26:57.920 --> 00:26:59.960
because he's the worst.

478
00:26:59.559 --> 00:27:01.640
He is, and he plays it so well. That tells

479
00:27:01.640 --> 00:27:03.480
you an actor does a great job when you hate

480
00:27:03.480 --> 00:27:04.519
them so much.

481
00:27:04.680 --> 00:27:05.720
Yep.

482
00:27:06.000 --> 00:27:09.960
Absolutely, Because at forre, you know, you're kind of supporting, like, Okay,

483
00:27:10.000 --> 00:27:11.759
this guy's got this dream is ambition.

484
00:27:11.920 --> 00:27:14.119
You know, he's obviously still.

485
00:27:14.400 --> 00:27:16.720
Hurt, you know, the trauma losing you know, his mother

486
00:27:17.960 --> 00:27:20.200
and you know in this case, you know, and then blame,

487
00:27:20.319 --> 00:27:22.720
you know, blaming you know, the father who was an

488
00:27:22.720 --> 00:27:30.119
actual doctor and uh and but you know, unfortunately along

489
00:27:30.119 --> 00:27:35.440
the way he's still in that grieving trauma process, still

490
00:27:35.480 --> 00:27:40.240
skipped several levels of emotional growth and uh, you know

491
00:27:40.400 --> 00:27:43.839
really you know, human connection. And so bringing it back

492
00:27:43.839 --> 00:27:46.160
around where you know, Oscar has all you know, this

493
00:27:46.240 --> 00:27:49.359
trauma and and you know, obsession to to you know,

494
00:27:49.440 --> 00:27:52.599
work through and then like you said, seeing how at

495
00:27:52.640 --> 00:27:55.039
first you're you're kind of rooting for him, and then

496
00:27:55.440 --> 00:27:58.400
you're seeing all these things that he's really overlooking and missing.

497
00:27:58.440 --> 00:28:00.640
And then especially when the creature comes into and it

498
00:28:00.759 --> 00:28:03.839
just is just a oh, it is a steep downhill

499
00:28:03.920 --> 00:28:06.119
from there until you're like, oh my god, in it.

500
00:28:06.400 --> 00:28:08.359
But I love how he gives you hints of it

501
00:28:09.160 --> 00:28:12.759
in the beginning, because when he's in that tribunal scene,

502
00:28:12.920 --> 00:28:16.200
that scene is very upsetting to me because he already

503
00:28:16.279 --> 00:28:22.559
shows the contempt for life when he reanimates that corpse.

504
00:28:22.400 --> 00:28:25.119
And the scene and you don't know.

505
00:28:25.279 --> 00:28:31.200
Like what consciousness this thing has, you know, and he

506
00:28:31.359 --> 00:28:34.519
just plugs it in, makes it do a trick, and

507
00:28:34.559 --> 00:28:38.039
then just brutally unplugs it and it sort of gasps

508
00:28:38.200 --> 00:28:41.920
as it, you know, kind of dies again, so to speak.

509
00:28:42.359 --> 00:28:45.160
And he doesn't he's not even really looking at it,

510
00:28:45.240 --> 00:28:47.720
like he's not even it's like he turned on a

511
00:28:47.759 --> 00:28:52.039
machine or something that is without feeling, and just the

512
00:28:52.160 --> 00:28:57.960
absolute contempt for you know, whatever it is now it's

513
00:28:58.000 --> 00:28:58.960
it was a human.

514
00:28:59.359 --> 00:29:02.599
Yeah. Even his line but please always works when he

515
00:29:02.599 --> 00:29:06.799
says please, yeah, he either.

516
00:29:06.640 --> 00:29:08.839
Snaps his fingers or he taps the table or something

517
00:29:08.920 --> 00:29:13.279
like really condescending like that, and it's just so just

518
00:29:13.400 --> 00:29:16.799
horrific to me, Like, I don't, I don't know.

519
00:29:16.880 --> 00:29:19.400
That just got to me. That scene really bugs me.

520
00:29:19.960 --> 00:29:23.279
That was hard to watch. And then you're like, who

521
00:29:23.359 --> 00:29:23.880
raised you?

522
00:29:24.839 --> 00:29:31.000
Well? I mean, yes, he wasn't doing good from the

523
00:29:31.000 --> 00:29:33.559
get go, speaking of a guy who you just immediately

524
00:29:33.559 --> 00:29:35.720
hate as soon as he appears on the screen.

525
00:29:36.720 --> 00:29:40.559
His voice even like, oh, everything about him is such

526
00:29:40.559 --> 00:29:42.119
a smarmy.

527
00:29:42.000 --> 00:29:44.359
Yes, sure, absolutely, the guy is.

528
00:29:46.359 --> 00:29:50.440
So yeah, he is just a trail of red flags.

529
00:29:51.640 --> 00:29:56.759
But I just can't get over how, you know, other

530
00:29:57.079 --> 00:30:02.039
Frankenstein's because there's so much violence in the second act,

531
00:30:02.920 --> 00:30:07.759
you don't really focus on how broken or evil or

532
00:30:07.799 --> 00:30:13.119
misguided or you know, morally defunct they are. Where this

533
00:30:13.240 --> 00:30:17.480
is just it's like all on Oscar, Like it's all you.

534
00:30:17.640 --> 00:30:20.079
There's no getting out of it, there's no excuses, there's

535
00:30:20.119 --> 00:30:22.920
no you know, this is the evil that you are.

536
00:30:23.799 --> 00:30:30.839
And to just play that despicable villain, I mean, it's just.

537
00:30:31.799 --> 00:30:35.599
And he just goes deep and but with trying to

538
00:30:36.200 --> 00:30:39.400
you know, garter favor from the audience of but you know,

539
00:30:39.480 --> 00:30:42.599
it's for science and figure things out, and it's.

540
00:30:42.440 --> 00:30:45.119
You know, an ode to his you know mother, and

541
00:30:45.160 --> 00:30:45.799
you know, you're.

542
00:30:45.640 --> 00:30:49.319
Just like, so is it though, Yeah, I'm like that's

543
00:30:49.359 --> 00:30:53.960
some sure blame the woman for you, you're crazy.

544
00:30:54.599 --> 00:31:00.720
Yeah, if anybody needs fix, did you well?

545
00:31:00.759 --> 00:31:03.920
And like the one in the story, kind of the

546
00:31:03.960 --> 00:31:08.599
redeeming through line is that he and Elizabeth originally are

547
00:31:09.640 --> 00:31:11.920
fiance's and really do love each other.

548
00:31:11.960 --> 00:31:12.880
And that's like his.

549
00:31:12.960 --> 00:31:15.400
One kind of redeeming thing is that he really does

550
00:31:15.480 --> 00:31:20.480
love this other person. So he does have some kindness

551
00:31:20.480 --> 00:31:24.720
and some goodness in him somewhere. We're here, it's just

552
00:31:24.799 --> 00:31:25.759
gross and creepy.

553
00:31:25.480 --> 00:31:29.359
Because he's a ball on his brother's girl. And yeah,

554
00:31:29.519 --> 00:31:31.960
like it's just gross, like.

555
00:31:31.440 --> 00:31:32.160
Like dude, man.

556
00:31:32.640 --> 00:31:33.640
And I love that she.

557
00:31:33.559 --> 00:31:36.039
Does not even fall for it for even like a

558
00:31:36.200 --> 00:31:38.640
marrill a second, Like she calls him out on his

559
00:31:38.720 --> 00:31:42.079
bullshit the moment she meets him, and I just think

560
00:31:42.119 --> 00:31:42.720
that is.

561
00:31:42.640 --> 00:31:45.200
Like Chef's case and again on her wedding day.

562
00:31:45.799 --> 00:31:48.799
Yes, you capable of not telling the lie, you know?

563
00:31:48.880 --> 00:31:52.160
Yeah? Mia Goth was awesome as Elizabeth.

564
00:31:53.039 --> 00:31:54.960
I have never seen her in anything, have you.

565
00:31:55.119 --> 00:31:59.599
Well, she's done horror films. I recognize her from X.

566
00:31:59.680 --> 00:32:02.440
That's where I first saw her was the movie X.

567
00:32:03.599 --> 00:32:07.119
She was also win. Did you ever see the movie Everest? Yeah?

568
00:32:07.240 --> 00:32:12.440
She played Meg Weathers in Everest. Oh yeah, But she's

569
00:32:12.440 --> 00:32:14.160
not been in a ton of stuff. But she's just

570
00:32:14.240 --> 00:32:16.519
now starting to get a name for herself because of

571
00:32:16.559 --> 00:32:19.799
the horror films like X and Maxine and stuff like that.

572
00:32:19.839 --> 00:32:22.720
In Pearl, so she started to make a name for herself.

573
00:32:22.759 --> 00:32:26.480
But I thought she was brilliant as Elizabeth. She was intelligent,

574
00:32:27.000 --> 00:32:29.440
she was she was not fooled by anybody. She wasn't

575
00:32:29.480 --> 00:32:32.960
gonna fall for for for a Victor at all. So

576
00:32:33.200 --> 00:32:34.559
I love the way she played that.

577
00:32:34.920 --> 00:32:37.680
And her humanity is so beautiful.

578
00:32:37.759 --> 00:32:42.920
That scene where she first meets the creature and you know,

579
00:32:43.079 --> 00:32:45.599
she puts her his hand on her throat to teach

580
00:32:45.680 --> 00:32:49.240
him how to talk like and then the whole thing

581
00:32:49.240 --> 00:32:53.599
with the leaves, the leaf Oh my god, just to

582
00:32:53.720 --> 00:32:58.079
see someone just exude such kindness and empathy is it's

583
00:32:58.119 --> 00:33:01.359
really hard to play without looking like you're just the

584
00:33:01.519 --> 00:33:06.559
saint that's perfect and unflawed human. And she comes off

585
00:33:06.599 --> 00:33:10.839
as very real but interested in the natural world in

586
00:33:10.880 --> 00:33:15.119
a way that Victor just has no capacity for.

587
00:33:16.039 --> 00:33:19.519
Or she was teaching him like a kid. You know,

588
00:33:19.519 --> 00:33:21.559
we'll go back to what you were talking about. He

589
00:33:21.640 --> 00:33:25.440
was a newborn that, you know, del Torah wanted. I

590
00:33:25.559 --> 00:33:27.519
just her line when she goes is this for me?

591
00:33:28.240 --> 00:33:28.400
You know?

592
00:33:28.559 --> 00:33:31.920
I I love that so much because it showed that

593
00:33:31.920 --> 00:33:35.599
that love, that innocent she had for this creature in

594
00:33:35.640 --> 00:33:37.839
front of her. She didn't see it as a monster

595
00:33:37.960 --> 00:33:40.759
or anything. Like that she saw of somebody who's new

596
00:33:41.119 --> 00:33:45.079
and just learning things in life, and she was respecting

597
00:33:45.079 --> 00:33:46.960
the things that she was he was doing for her,

598
00:33:47.480 --> 00:33:50.000
and she was returning that to him. I love that

599
00:33:50.039 --> 00:33:51.759
scene so much well.

600
00:33:51.599 --> 00:33:55.079
And the patience that she shows. You know, Victor tried

601
00:33:55.119 --> 00:33:59.880
for like thirty point two seconds, yes the creature anything,

602
00:34:00.680 --> 00:34:02.640
you know, and then lacked him in the basement, like

603
00:34:02.839 --> 00:34:07.799
he just had no concept of how humans evolve and

604
00:34:07.880 --> 00:34:13.960
grow and no patience whatsoever for discovery, you know, kind

605
00:34:13.960 --> 00:34:16.400
of going back to what Angela was saying about Jurassic Park, Like,

606
00:34:17.159 --> 00:34:19.360
you know, Jeff Goblum has another great line where he says,

607
00:34:19.400 --> 00:34:21.800
you stood on the shoulders of geniuses and you took

608
00:34:21.840 --> 00:34:24.800
the next step, like you didn't earn the knowledge for yourself,

609
00:34:24.840 --> 00:34:28.039
and neither did Victor. Like he it wasn't like he

610
00:34:28.239 --> 00:34:33.880
studied life. He studied the bits that make life that

611
00:34:34.719 --> 00:34:35.920
were meaningless to him.

612
00:34:35.960 --> 00:34:40.239
They were just tools, yep, Like where's your curiosity? You know,

613
00:34:40.440 --> 00:34:44.199
that sense of wonder that really desire, you know, to learn?

614
00:34:44.239 --> 00:34:46.360
You just wanted basically.

615
00:34:46.360 --> 00:34:50.119
Shortcuts and you know, how how can I get to this?

616
00:34:50.400 --> 00:34:53.159
Just to accomplish it for the sake of accomplishing it

617
00:34:53.280 --> 00:34:56.960
or you know, proven daddy wrong, proven, you know, the

618
00:34:57.039 --> 00:35:01.639
actual academic, you know, peers wrong, so forth. But yeah,

619
00:35:01.679 --> 00:35:05.880
you've got this basically this kid and a diaper chained

620
00:35:06.639 --> 00:35:10.599
to stone in a wet, dirty, damp basement.

621
00:35:10.920 --> 00:35:13.679
Because what Victor fears for his life.

622
00:35:13.840 --> 00:35:16.760
Well and doesn't even give him like the basic comfort.

623
00:35:16.880 --> 00:35:21.199
He's not allowed clothes, nothing, he's not allowed warmth, he's

624
00:35:21.239 --> 00:35:24.159
not like no, he didn't even put him in like

625
00:35:24.159 --> 00:35:25.239
a comfortable person.

626
00:35:25.320 --> 00:35:25.559
Sell.

627
00:35:25.639 --> 00:35:30.719
He just chained him to the wall, like the hell yeah.

628
00:35:30.039 --> 00:35:32.440
And like you said, Amber giving him all thirty point

629
00:35:32.440 --> 00:35:35.639
two seconds. I was like, Okay, First of all, he

630
00:35:36.599 --> 00:35:42.480
after the initial electrical shock into the creature, he gives

631
00:35:42.480 --> 00:35:45.800
it like two point six seconds before it didn't work.

632
00:35:47.719 --> 00:35:50.920
I'm a failure. Oh here we go yep.

633
00:35:51.079 --> 00:35:53.519
And then and then, like you said, and there's that

634
00:35:54.639 --> 00:35:58.199
those little inner the scenes of you know, the interactions,

635
00:35:58.239 --> 00:36:00.280
which you know, I kind of even haven't watch it

636
00:36:00.320 --> 00:36:01.639
a couple of times, I still got to kind of

637
00:36:01.639 --> 00:36:05.760
struggle to remember because he just was frustrated with him

638
00:36:05.840 --> 00:36:08.519
for only saying his name while like you know, shaving

639
00:36:08.599 --> 00:36:12.320
his head, and I'm like, where are the books where?

640
00:36:12.440 --> 00:36:14.480
First of all this guy still doesn't have you haven't

641
00:36:14.519 --> 00:36:15.480
given him a shirt?

642
00:36:17.119 --> 00:36:19.079
Well, and I have a theory about the name thing

643
00:36:19.719 --> 00:36:22.320
that I just got when I watched it again today

644
00:36:23.199 --> 00:36:26.679
because it just broke my heart. He keeps saying the

645
00:36:26.760 --> 00:36:30.519
name because the first victor that he met that he

646
00:36:30.599 --> 00:36:33.679
connects that name to is the victor that woke up

647
00:36:33.800 --> 00:36:37.840
and was excited, showed him the sunlight, showed him his hand,

648
00:36:38.800 --> 00:36:42.840
was kind and gentle and excited to see him. And

649
00:36:42.960 --> 00:36:47.360
I think he's constantly crying out for where is that person?

650
00:36:47.519 --> 00:36:51.679
Where is the victor that I first met? Where is

651
00:36:51.760 --> 00:36:53.360
the one that was happy to see me?

652
00:36:53.760 --> 00:36:56.719
That was like a very good tender moment that you know,

653
00:36:56.840 --> 00:36:58.440
lasted five point three seconds.

654
00:36:58.519 --> 00:36:59.800
Yeah, that's all.

655
00:37:00.400 --> 00:37:02.400
We're quantifying everything we are.

656
00:37:03.360 --> 00:37:05.239
How about Victory going back to what his dad did

657
00:37:05.280 --> 00:37:08.079
to him by smacking his face but for not learning

658
00:37:08.119 --> 00:37:10.320
something to the creature?

659
00:37:10.719 --> 00:37:14.079
Yes, like you know, yeah, because face is vanity, but

660
00:37:14.119 --> 00:37:16.480
he didn't want to hurt his hands because that's what.

661
00:37:16.440 --> 00:37:17.480
He would be using to create.

662
00:37:17.480 --> 00:37:21.719
But yeah, I'm like, dude, do you need to own

663
00:37:21.800 --> 00:37:28.920
some more mirrors and for some literal reflect reflection and

664
00:37:29.199 --> 00:37:32.079
but yeah, that all that that, Yeah, that that bothered me.

665
00:37:32.119 --> 00:37:36.320
I felt that slapped to the face that and just no,

666
00:37:36.800 --> 00:37:40.519
like he said, no, no, patience, No, where's that wonder where?

667
00:37:41.000 --> 00:37:43.159
And like you know, I mentioned.

668
00:37:42.880 --> 00:37:45.039
In my review, like he just expected him to just

669
00:37:45.079 --> 00:37:48.199
you know what, get upright, start tap dancing and start

670
00:37:48.360 --> 00:37:54.519
you know, reciting Shakespeare and you know he equals zmc squared,

671
00:37:54.519 --> 00:37:57.000
which hadn't been known yet, but you know for the partment,

672
00:37:57.639 --> 00:38:00.679
you know, all all this knowledge and stuff and and again,

673
00:38:00.880 --> 00:38:06.719
but from not really going through the appropriate learning process,

674
00:38:06.840 --> 00:38:10.679
even as an emotional being as well as a student.

675
00:38:11.639 --> 00:38:14.559
It's like he just completely was.

676
00:38:14.519 --> 00:38:16.079
Like, no, I don't want to do you know, the

677
00:38:16.079 --> 00:38:18.039
fundamentals of this what do you what do you mean?

678
00:38:18.119 --> 00:38:20.079
I'm supposed to be a dad and a teacher and

679
00:38:20.119 --> 00:38:23.639
a mental you know. It was like so it was

680
00:38:23.679 --> 00:38:26.800
pretty very much at that point of Maria knew, you know,

681
00:38:26.960 --> 00:38:29.599
but after that, I'm like, oh my god, I want

682
00:38:29.679 --> 00:38:34.280
you to suffer such dire consequences for your behavior to

683
00:38:34.400 --> 00:38:35.079
this creature.

684
00:38:36.199 --> 00:38:39.400
Well, and he also he doesn't doesn't show any empathy

685
00:38:39.400 --> 00:38:43.719
for humans either, because I noticed again, like like you said,

686
00:38:43.760 --> 00:38:44.280
every time you.

687
00:38:44.280 --> 00:38:48.639
Watch it, you see something new. When Crystal Valtz gives.

688
00:38:48.440 --> 00:38:51.920
Him the reveal that he is ill and this is

689
00:38:51.920 --> 00:38:55.960
why he's funding this research, is that he is hoping

690
00:38:56.039 --> 00:38:58.719
to you know, be able to have a new body

691
00:38:58.800 --> 00:39:00.719
himself because he's dying.

692
00:39:01.119 --> 00:39:02.280
This horrific death.

693
00:39:02.280 --> 00:39:06.159
Like he's describing this horrible tortoise, horrific death that he's

694
00:39:06.199 --> 00:39:10.960
looking down the barrel at and Victor the whole time,

695
00:39:11.039 --> 00:39:14.639
if you watch Oscar, Isaac is not listening to him

696
00:39:15.039 --> 00:39:18.679
at all. He's like, look, he's nervous because the storm

697
00:39:18.800 --> 00:39:23.239
is beginning. He needs the electricity to reanimate the creature.

698
00:39:23.480 --> 00:39:25.559
So he's kind of like, Okay, you know, it's all

699
00:39:25.639 --> 00:39:27.719
very sad. Can you shut up because I have to

700
00:39:27.760 --> 00:39:29.559
go during this machine.

701
00:39:29.760 --> 00:39:31.159
Like, oh, you're dying.

702
00:39:31.239 --> 00:39:33.280
Well, anyways, I gotta hoo for you.

703
00:39:34.079 --> 00:39:38.400
I got a lightning bolt to catch see you on

704
00:39:38.480 --> 00:39:42.679
the flip side. And along with the vein of just.

705
00:39:42.679 --> 00:39:46.920
Lack of acknowledgement and since you brought it up, I'll

706
00:39:46.920 --> 00:39:53.199
bring it up. But the end where Elizabeth is shot,

707
00:39:54.199 --> 00:39:58.360
when Victor is aiming for the creature but it gets

708
00:39:58.360 --> 00:40:00.360
it's just like it.

709
00:40:00.320 --> 00:40:02.000
Doesn't even don't know, I didn't do that.

710
00:40:02.440 --> 00:40:07.360
The guy and the yeah, yeah it was his fault,

711
00:40:07.400 --> 00:40:09.280
you know, his fault because you know she was trying

712
00:40:09.320 --> 00:40:11.239
to protect him, so it's it's his fault.

713
00:40:11.280 --> 00:40:13.800
So he blamed the creature for Christoph Walstein.

714
00:40:14.639 --> 00:40:14.719
Ye.

715
00:40:16.159 --> 00:40:19.119
And then and then you know when he's walking by her,

716
00:40:19.880 --> 00:40:22.199
now that you know, body on the on the rock,

717
00:40:22.320 --> 00:40:25.000
and he's no his goal just like that catching that

718
00:40:25.079 --> 00:40:27.000
lightning bolt. No, I just got to catch his creature.

719
00:40:27.119 --> 00:40:30.800
I whatever, Like it was just a dead squirrel line

720
00:40:30.840 --> 00:40:33.119
on the road, which I still get upset and right

721
00:40:33.199 --> 00:40:35.599
when I drive by, so I'm not you know, knocking

722
00:40:35.679 --> 00:40:38.280
down or you know, lessening the death of the squirrel.

723
00:40:39.039 --> 00:40:41.960
But it was just that same attitude of and then

724
00:40:42.480 --> 00:40:45.360
like no, I'm like, oh my god, I'm like, you

725
00:40:45.440 --> 00:40:46.760
have like no redemption arc.

726
00:40:47.519 --> 00:40:49.000
He doesn't. He really cares about himself.

727
00:40:49.159 --> 00:40:51.199
Yeah, I mean even at that point, it was just

728
00:40:51.199 --> 00:40:55.760
no accountability, no response, Like still, no, maybe I did

729
00:40:55.760 --> 00:40:59.800
do something wrong, but not in the way he assumed

730
00:40:59.800 --> 00:41:02.280
he'd it wrong by you know, create an abomination, which

731
00:41:02.280 --> 00:41:05.320
I do have a little side rant for later. I'll

732
00:41:05.360 --> 00:41:08.239
hold off, you know, not to not to take over anything.

733
00:41:08.280 --> 00:41:12.320
But that ship has sailed, that's already gone.

734
00:41:12.360 --> 00:41:14.840
And what you're talking about.

735
00:41:14.159 --> 00:41:19.679
Control of this conversation. We let him think he was

736
00:41:19.719 --> 00:41:23.039
a control like right for the and then I was like, yeah.

737
00:41:23.039 --> 00:41:23.360
You're.

738
00:41:26.639 --> 00:41:29.400
Well, I do want to talk about another person who

739
00:41:29.440 --> 00:41:34.119
deserves an Oscar, and that is Jacob Lordy. Yes, replace

740
00:41:34.679 --> 00:41:38.719
the creature because he takes the creature to a whole

741
00:41:38.760 --> 00:41:42.639
new level. He is a master. And as you both ladies,

742
00:41:42.639 --> 00:41:45.679
you know, acting with your eyes is something that you're

743
00:41:45.760 --> 00:41:49.599
taught to do and you know to perform, and he

744
00:41:49.639 --> 00:41:54.159
does such an incredible job of facial expressions, his eye movements,

745
00:41:54.280 --> 00:42:01.119
everything that it just shows you the innocence, the anger,

746
00:42:01.480 --> 00:42:06.400
the fear, the heartbreak, everything, every emotion you can think of.

747
00:42:06.920 --> 00:42:10.000
You can see it in his face when he's supposed

748
00:42:10.039 --> 00:42:16.239
to do it. And the casting of this guy was perfect. Well, no,

749
00:42:16.360 --> 00:42:18.679
he wasn't original, He wasn't the original person who was

750
00:42:18.719 --> 00:42:21.559
supposed to play that. But thank god it did work

751
00:42:21.599 --> 00:42:24.559
its way out because this guy deserves an Oscar for

752
00:42:24.639 --> 00:42:25.360
this damn role.

753
00:42:25.559 --> 00:42:29.639
Well, and not only that, but through full body prosthetic.

754
00:42:30.119 --> 00:42:31.679
Yes, like ten hours, wasn't it.

755
00:42:32.039 --> 00:42:35.239
Yeah, he would start at two in the morning, get

756
00:42:35.280 --> 00:42:37.920
done it like two in the afternoon, and then you know,

757
00:42:38.440 --> 00:42:41.679
be able to do his scenes and to be able

758
00:42:41.719 --> 00:42:45.159
to have that kind of expression, you know, when you're

759
00:42:45.280 --> 00:42:49.800
under just all these layers to use that to inform

760
00:42:49.920 --> 00:42:56.599
your performance rather than hinder. It is a singular.

761
00:42:56.960 --> 00:43:01.119
Talent, agreed. And I could imagic sitting in that chair

762
00:43:01.119 --> 00:43:03.440
that long. I could not. What would you do? I

763
00:43:03.440 --> 00:43:06.000
mean you're just literally playing on your phone. I guess, yeah,

764
00:43:06.119 --> 00:43:06.559
I mean.

765
00:43:06.519 --> 00:43:10.880
Just watch movies on your iPad. And yeah, some actors

766
00:43:10.880 --> 00:43:12.360
have said that like they doze off.

767
00:43:12.920 --> 00:43:14.760
I could see that like other actors that have.

768
00:43:14.719 --> 00:43:18.960
Gone through it, you know, for like superhero movies and stuff. Yeah,

769
00:43:19.079 --> 00:43:22.719
like it would be a super exercise and you know,

770
00:43:22.880 --> 00:43:26.119
like you're breathing and you know, because I'm sorry, I

771
00:43:26.159 --> 00:43:29.320
have like a really big personal space bubble I have,

772
00:43:29.480 --> 00:43:35.320
Like these people painting all over your body just sounds torturous,

773
00:43:36.079 --> 00:43:38.199
you know, and the stuff's not comfortable. I mean that

774
00:43:38.239 --> 00:43:42.119
those for sex are hot and itchy and all sorts.

775
00:43:42.199 --> 00:43:46.280
But you know, Germo said in his in that documentary,

776
00:43:47.000 --> 00:43:48.239
and I kind of wish.

777
00:43:48.000 --> 00:43:50.400
I get on hear it because it's so sad.

778
00:43:50.719 --> 00:43:55.239
But he told Jacob to kind of evoke like being

779
00:43:55.320 --> 00:43:59.360
like a dog with that innocent, you know, kind of

780
00:43:59.440 --> 00:44:03.960
love and wanting to be in your presence. But then being,

781
00:44:04.199 --> 00:44:08.599
especially with the blind man being willing to viciously defend

782
00:44:08.840 --> 00:44:15.360
if necessary, but then immediately goes back to being loving

783
00:44:15.440 --> 00:44:17.199
as the old man was dying.

784
00:44:18.800 --> 00:44:21.599
But that just makes it sad or I don't know it.

785
00:44:21.559 --> 00:44:24.480
Does he said, he he used his own dog, like

786
00:44:24.519 --> 00:44:27.519
you know, watching her and things like that, and then

787
00:44:27.840 --> 00:44:31.840
something else. I did look up when because like you said,

788
00:44:31.880 --> 00:44:34.559
he wasn't the original and I.

789
00:44:34.480 --> 00:44:36.440
Love Andrew Garfield, but there is no.

790
00:44:37.559 --> 00:44:38.679
Doing this at all.

791
00:44:39.039 --> 00:44:43.119
So what he backed out apparently due to scheduling conflicts

792
00:44:43.119 --> 00:44:46.679
and only left Jacob four weeks to prepare for it.

793
00:44:46.760 --> 00:44:48.719
And apparently, and like you said, since del Toro and

794
00:44:48.760 --> 00:44:50.440
his team, you know, they had started with like the

795
00:44:50.480 --> 00:44:54.000
makeup and the costume, the with the prosthetics and stuff,

796
00:44:54.000 --> 00:44:56.239
they had already basically had all the stuff fit.

797
00:44:56.159 --> 00:44:57.760
And ready for Garfield.

798
00:44:58.239 --> 00:45:00.280
So then they got how to get on or the

799
00:45:00.320 --> 00:45:04.719
gone of redoing all of that, you know, based on

800
00:45:05.000 --> 00:45:10.840
Jacob's build. And so that was just another headbit.

801
00:45:11.320 --> 00:45:14.760
But you know, like you said, with del To's quote

802
00:45:14.840 --> 00:45:17.559
at the beginning, like he kind of looks at those things,

803
00:45:17.679 --> 00:45:20.760
is like you know what, it's like a zen thing,

804
00:45:20.960 --> 00:45:22.639
like it was meant to be this is where the

805
00:45:22.639 --> 00:45:23.559
movie is leading me.

806
00:45:24.360 --> 00:45:25.960
I just need to follow that path.

807
00:45:26.039 --> 00:45:30.559
And that's such a healthy attitude because I got the stress,

808
00:45:30.679 --> 00:45:32.519
like there's a lot of money and a lot of

809
00:45:32.559 --> 00:45:33.719
work put into this stuff.

810
00:45:34.159 --> 00:45:37.239
It all happens for a reason. And yes, yes, this

811
00:45:37.280 --> 00:45:39.320
one worked out for Yeah.

812
00:45:39.559 --> 00:45:41.599
Yeah. And speaking of the blind Man, that was played

813
00:45:41.599 --> 00:45:44.039
by David Bradley, who did a great job.

814
00:45:44.599 --> 00:45:46.239
If you haven't seen.

815
00:45:48.679 --> 00:45:50.840
Broad Church, yes I would.

816
00:45:50.960 --> 00:45:52.639
You would be completely.

817
00:45:52.079 --> 00:45:56.159
Shocked because he always plays the worst, like he's always

818
00:45:56.199 --> 00:45:59.400
such a horrible person, but in broad Church he plays

819
00:45:59.440 --> 00:46:03.639
such a beautiful, empathetic, loving man that has just the

820
00:46:03.679 --> 00:46:05.119
most tragic storyline.

821
00:46:05.480 --> 00:46:06.960
Yeah.

822
00:46:07.000 --> 00:46:09.199
So you if you saw that, you knew he had

823
00:46:09.239 --> 00:46:11.119
it in him. And I was so happy to see

824
00:46:11.199 --> 00:46:12.559
him in that role.

825
00:46:12.599 --> 00:46:17.079
He was perfect. And that scene was tough for you, Angel,

826
00:46:17.159 --> 00:46:19.440
I know with the wolves, was it not it?

827
00:46:19.960 --> 00:46:23.360
I just kept going, it's c g, I, It's yeah,

828
00:46:23.400 --> 00:46:24.360
they're not real puppies.

829
00:46:24.400 --> 00:46:25.199
It's okay.

830
00:46:25.480 --> 00:46:28.480
I did. I did have to kind of close my eyes,

831
00:46:28.559 --> 00:46:31.599
especially when he was coming into to check on the

832
00:46:31.639 --> 00:46:33.719
blind Man after they had already you know, gotten to him,

833
00:46:33.760 --> 00:46:35.320
and I kind of knew. I was like, oh god,

834
00:46:35.360 --> 00:46:37.000
oh god, I could you know, hear the sound. I

835
00:46:37.039 --> 00:46:38.960
did have to cover myse even though I'm like, I

836
00:46:39.000 --> 00:46:39.559
know it's fake.

837
00:46:39.719 --> 00:46:42.880
I know, I know he's doing it as you know,

838
00:46:42.880 --> 00:46:43.679
a defensive hit.

839
00:46:43.760 --> 00:46:47.039
You know everything I stand, but it's yeah, it was.

840
00:46:47.119 --> 00:46:49.199
It was still tough, but I got through it.

841
00:46:50.199 --> 00:46:50.400
Yep.

842
00:46:50.840 --> 00:46:53.719
I do want to call out the young Victor Frankenstein.

843
00:46:53.760 --> 00:46:57.440
You guys know who that is. Christian Covraiary. He played

844
00:46:57.440 --> 00:47:01.800
Gus and Sweet Tooth. Okay, yeah, and he's also in

845
00:47:01.880 --> 00:47:05.760
Cocaine Bear. If you've not seen Cocaine Bear, well, Sweet

846
00:47:05.760 --> 00:47:09.760
Truth is fantastic amber you need to watch it, Okay, absolutely,

847
00:47:09.800 --> 00:47:13.320
and he plays Gust, the main character. Okay, so you'll

848
00:47:13.320 --> 00:47:17.559
definitely about that. Yes, I do as you guys. As

849
00:47:17.559 --> 00:47:20.159
you ladies know, I love to talk about the cinematography.

850
00:47:20.440 --> 00:47:25.480
The cinematographer themselves. Dan Lastin is the guy who did this.

851
00:47:25.599 --> 00:47:27.880
He has done some other things, obviously with Del Toro.

852
00:47:27.960 --> 00:47:30.239
He did The Shape of Water. He did Crimson Peak

853
00:47:30.599 --> 00:47:33.960
not may Ali, and he did Mimic as well. He's

854
00:47:34.000 --> 00:47:37.119
also done a few of the John Wick films. He's

855
00:47:37.159 --> 00:47:40.400
done The Leave, Extraordinary, Gentleman, Darkness Falls, and I don't

856
00:47:40.400 --> 00:47:42.039
know if the one if you've seen this foreign film

857
00:47:42.039 --> 00:47:44.360
called Brotherhood of the Wolf Angela. I know you have

858
00:47:44.360 --> 00:47:47.679
not because it's a horror film, but it is very,

859
00:47:47.800 --> 00:47:51.159
very good. But anyway, I have, but I don't mind have.

860
00:47:51.239 --> 00:47:53.800
It's an older film. Yeah, so it's been around, it's

861
00:47:53.800 --> 00:47:57.400
been around a while. But just this guy's work in

862
00:47:57.440 --> 00:47:59.599
this film. I know a lot of this is storyboarded

863
00:47:59.599 --> 00:48:03.119
by Delta Horro, but it still takes a very talented

864
00:48:03.239 --> 00:48:06.159
camera guy to pull all of that off because they

865
00:48:06.159 --> 00:48:07.800
are in charge of the lighting. And the lighting in

866
00:48:07.840 --> 00:48:11.360
this film is absolutely beautiful. But one of the things

867
00:48:11.559 --> 00:48:14.920
that I noticed in watching this so many times that

868
00:48:15.039 --> 00:48:20.239
camera just glides, it floats like it's not even like

869
00:48:20.320 --> 00:48:23.559
almost like not camera normal camera movements. It's crazy. It's

870
00:48:23.559 --> 00:48:27.239
almost like you're in a dream. You're there experiencing what's

871
00:48:27.280 --> 00:48:30.719
going on in them scenes with that camera work. And

872
00:48:30.960 --> 00:48:32.880
if you've scenes the behind the scenes stuff that you

873
00:48:32.880 --> 00:48:35.679
talked about Amber, did you see how they were able

874
00:48:35.719 --> 00:48:38.079
to take away take apart some of the sets.

875
00:48:38.199 --> 00:48:43.480
Yes, came again you know, the marriage of these different

876
00:48:43.599 --> 00:48:49.360
departments working together. They had these flying walls that you're

877
00:48:49.440 --> 00:48:53.440
really in this set. You know, people think that there's

878
00:48:53.760 --> 00:48:57.639
so much CGI in this movie. There's really not that much. Yeah,

879
00:48:57.679 --> 00:49:01.280
these are all practical sets, and they had these flying

880
00:49:01.320 --> 00:49:04.039
walls that they could move out of the way so

881
00:49:04.079 --> 00:49:07.239
the camera could come in on a crane, and you know,

882
00:49:07.960 --> 00:49:14.639
all this really intricate, interesting problem solving techniques to enable

883
00:49:14.800 --> 00:49:18.320
that cinematographer to do what he did so well, and

884
00:49:18.360 --> 00:49:22.119
it's just it's amazing, amazing.

885
00:49:22.519 --> 00:49:24.760
I mean, there's there's so many things about this that

886
00:49:24.840 --> 00:49:27.440
you could just tell. These people all deserve awards. I mean,

887
00:49:27.480 --> 00:49:30.239
the cinematographer, but the costly.

888
00:49:30.599 --> 00:49:32.760
Raises it to an absolute art form.

889
00:49:32.880 --> 00:49:36.440
It does just you know, movie making can be very

890
00:49:37.239 --> 00:49:42.639
you know, popcorn mass produced, you know, but this is

891
00:49:43.320 --> 00:49:44.000
actual art.

892
00:49:44.239 --> 00:49:47.400
This is art getting to look at on all these

893
00:49:47.440 --> 00:49:50.559
different levels. You know, everybody is at the top of their.

894
00:49:50.480 --> 00:49:55.639
Game creating this unique world that we just are immersed in.

895
00:49:56.760 --> 00:49:59.440
Did you I know you caught this with watching the documentary,

896
00:49:59.440 --> 00:50:03.280
but you the use of red was just for Victor's mom,

897
00:50:03.840 --> 00:50:07.719
and that's why Victor has read on him is representation

898
00:50:07.840 --> 00:50:11.000
of his mother. I thought that was so well done

899
00:50:11.280 --> 00:50:12.679
and I don't know if I would have caught that,

900
00:50:12.719 --> 00:50:16.960
I probably would have on his hands. Yes, his gloves

901
00:50:16.960 --> 00:50:19.480
are red yep, yep. And then at the funeral when

902
00:50:19.480 --> 00:50:21.440
he was walking away, he had the red scarf on

903
00:50:21.719 --> 00:50:24.280
around him. But yeah, his hands had the red. And

904
00:50:24.320 --> 00:50:26.719
if you notice, Elizabeth had some red. She had the

905
00:50:26.760 --> 00:50:29.960
red umbrella, she had the red necklace, so she had

906
00:50:29.960 --> 00:50:31.119
a little bit of that going on too. And I

907
00:50:31.199 --> 00:50:33.599
think it was almost telling us he's kind of thinking

908
00:50:33.639 --> 00:50:35.920
of her as that way. I know that sounds weird,

909
00:50:35.960 --> 00:50:38.440
but you know, I mean it kind of did. Why also,

910
00:50:38.440 --> 00:50:40.440
would he use the red in those scenes.

911
00:50:40.639 --> 00:50:43.320
He's clearly got mommy issues if he's chugging milk all

912
00:50:43.360 --> 00:50:43.719
the time.

913
00:50:45.119 --> 00:50:46.239
Yes, he does good grief.

914
00:50:46.480 --> 00:50:48.880
But and also it's kind of foreshadowing for her too,

915
00:50:49.000 --> 00:50:54.880
because she's going to have this tragic fate, you know,

916
00:50:55.159 --> 00:50:58.360
and so you get these little flashes of, you know,

917
00:50:58.440 --> 00:51:01.360
the danger that she's altimate going to be in. And

918
00:51:02.079 --> 00:51:06.639
I saw the costumer talking about the lengths they had

919
00:51:06.679 --> 00:51:09.719
to go to on her wedding dress to make these

920
00:51:09.840 --> 00:51:12.719
layers so that the blood would bleed in like this

921
00:51:12.920 --> 00:51:16.320
certain way, like my god.

922
00:51:16.280 --> 00:51:18.719
You know, creative. I don't know if I want to

923
00:51:18.760 --> 00:51:22.039
say that was beautiful because she's bleeding, but it was beautiful.

924
00:51:22.039 --> 00:51:23.239
It's beautiful Yeah, it.

925
00:51:23.239 --> 00:51:25.960
Really was him carrying her out like that. And did

926
00:51:26.039 --> 00:51:28.800
the red is just coming down the white dress. It's like,

927
00:51:28.920 --> 00:51:31.239
holy crap, that is amazing.

928
00:51:32.119 --> 00:51:35.079
Yes, it's like a painting like it is.

929
00:51:35.400 --> 00:51:37.760
Yes, almost every seat was like a painting for crying

930
00:51:37.800 --> 00:51:41.000
out loud. Even the opening shot when the camera opens

931
00:51:41.079 --> 00:51:42.519
up in the north and you see the you know

932
00:51:42.519 --> 00:51:45.039
they're stuck in the ice and that camera just slowly

933
00:51:45.159 --> 00:51:49.599
glides in the blue uniforms with the white background with

934
00:51:49.639 --> 00:51:52.079
the snow, My god, that was stunning.

935
00:51:52.880 --> 00:51:53.039
Well.

936
00:51:53.079 --> 00:51:57.599
And then when they get to the laboratory and you

937
00:51:57.679 --> 00:52:00.960
get this great outside wide shot of like the sun

938
00:52:01.039 --> 00:52:04.360
setting with the tower on the right and then the

939
00:52:04.400 --> 00:52:09.400
birds flying out like it's so gothic and so like

940
00:52:09.440 --> 00:52:12.599
that was like a little wink to the thirty one version.

941
00:52:12.639 --> 00:52:14.719
I feel like, oh, it has to be yeah.

942
00:52:14.760 --> 00:52:15.880
And then did anybody.

943
00:52:15.599 --> 00:52:18.679
Else feel like when they went into the building into

944
00:52:18.719 --> 00:52:21.559
the laboratory, when they first go in the entrance, that

945
00:52:21.639 --> 00:52:23.880
is one hundred percent the house from Crimson Peak.

946
00:52:23.960 --> 00:52:29.039
Oh it has to be at least yeah. Yep. And

947
00:52:29.079 --> 00:52:31.079
the shot of Elizabeth coming down the steps with the

948
00:52:31.119 --> 00:52:34.480
candles come on, that was nineteen thirty one. Yes, totally yes,

949
00:52:34.559 --> 00:52:35.400
that was in.

950
00:52:35.360 --> 00:52:38.000
Her nightgown and everything. It was very haunted mansion.

951
00:52:38.079 --> 00:52:40.800
I loved it absolutely. That was great. I feel like

952
00:52:40.840 --> 00:52:43.000
we're talking over angel Angela, you gone quiet now.

953
00:52:44.719 --> 00:52:46.840
It's a good it's a good problem to have to

954
00:52:46.920 --> 00:52:49.639
have three people so enthusiastic about the film that like

955
00:52:50.079 --> 00:52:51.159
none of us can shut up.

956
00:52:51.880 --> 00:52:54.719
Yeah, well, just to go back on, you know, when

957
00:52:54.719 --> 00:52:58.119
you guys are talking about the Red that you know,

958
00:52:58.239 --> 00:53:02.079
it's a good representation that it connects him to his mom,

959
00:53:02.159 --> 00:53:04.800
whom you know, where he loved very much and and

960
00:53:05.559 --> 00:53:09.119
wanted to do this, you know, became obsessed because of

961
00:53:09.199 --> 00:53:12.880
her death. And then you have you know, the Elizabeth

962
00:53:12.880 --> 00:53:16.159
who's you know now kind of become other obsession.

963
00:53:18.119 --> 00:53:19.480
It is too strong of a word.

964
00:53:19.960 --> 00:53:22.639
But the other female in his sights that you know,

965
00:53:22.719 --> 00:53:25.800
he's you know that you know was engaged to his his.

966
00:53:25.800 --> 00:53:26.719
Younger brother, and.

967
00:53:29.159 --> 00:53:33.079
You know, so those those two females have a connection

968
00:53:33.119 --> 00:53:36.880
to him even though he's you know, is lacking all

969
00:53:36.920 --> 00:53:39.679
things that one needs to have for a proper, you know,

970
00:53:39.800 --> 00:53:40.679
proper connections.

971
00:53:40.719 --> 00:53:42.480
So it makes sense that they use the Red with that.

972
00:53:42.519 --> 00:53:44.960
And I love that Del Toro said, no, I want color,

973
00:53:45.000 --> 00:53:47.000
I don't want to know black top hats. I don't

974
00:53:47.000 --> 00:53:49.320
want to Kinsey, and I love the Victoria, I love

975
00:53:49.320 --> 00:53:51.519
the Charles Dick and stuff. But I totally get why

976
00:53:51.519 --> 00:53:53.920
he wanted to and it works so so well. You

977
00:53:53.920 --> 00:53:57.159
know that that that palette and that those colors and

978
00:53:57.199 --> 00:53:59.480
having that symbolism, which there's a lot of in this.

979
00:54:00.079 --> 00:54:02.800
Did y'all get that that was Mia Goth playing both

980
00:54:02.880 --> 00:54:06.719
roles because I didn't get it until I ran afterwards. Yeah,

981
00:54:06.880 --> 00:54:10.159
Like I totally did not recognize her playing both roles

982
00:54:10.199 --> 00:54:10.559
at all.

983
00:54:10.960 --> 00:54:14.400
No, I didn't either until afterwards really, and then go

984
00:54:14.440 --> 00:54:16.119
back and watch it again, I'm like, oh, okay.

985
00:54:16.320 --> 00:54:19.679
Apparently she didn't know either until she showed up.

986
00:54:19.719 --> 00:54:22.639
Like, hey, by the way, it's funny that the movie

987
00:54:22.639 --> 00:54:25.079
I told you about, the horror movie x YEA, she

988
00:54:25.199 --> 00:54:27.719
plays two characters in that one she plays an old

989
00:54:27.760 --> 00:54:30.559
old woman and then she plays the young young girl.

990
00:54:30.559 --> 00:54:33.840
There're two different characters, but she plays both. So it's like, apparently,

991
00:54:33.920 --> 00:54:36.000
me a Goth is like just really good at that,

992
00:54:36.079 --> 00:54:36.960
so like, let's just use it.

993
00:54:37.119 --> 00:54:40.639
Okay, Yeah, I did see that. They did make some

994
00:54:40.760 --> 00:54:43.679
kind of a prosthetic for part of her face for the.

995
00:54:43.840 --> 00:54:45.039
You know, her nose.

996
00:54:45.360 --> 00:54:48.360
Yeah, with that to give you know, a little bit

997
00:54:48.400 --> 00:54:51.239
of change. But yeah, I still was like, oh, I

998
00:54:51.440 --> 00:54:51.760
you know.

999
00:54:51.800 --> 00:54:53.760
I mean, it didn't change her face that much, but

1000
00:54:53.960 --> 00:54:56.320
I just didn't. I was so lost in it that

1001
00:54:56.400 --> 00:54:59.599
I didn't even realize it was the same person.

1002
00:54:59.639 --> 00:55:01.440
Just because to tell you, you're so involved with a

1003
00:55:01.480 --> 00:55:03.079
movie when you lose track of that kind of thing,

1004
00:55:03.159 --> 00:55:06.719
because you're just absorbing everything and you're not realizing what's

1005
00:55:06.760 --> 00:55:09.119
in front of you like that, you know. So that's

1006
00:55:09.320 --> 00:55:12.320
that's perfect. That's just great storytelling, is what that is. Well, ladies,

1007
00:55:12.360 --> 00:55:14.199
let's goad to take another break and we come back.

1008
00:55:14.280 --> 00:55:17.280
Let's continue our discussion of the film itself, which we've

1009
00:55:17.280 --> 00:55:19.000
already done. But hey, we'll be right back.

1010
00:55:29.159 --> 00:55:32.760
Silly short summary for Frankenstein twenty twenty five. At mid

1011
00:55:32.840 --> 00:55:36.199
nineteenth century, mad scientists with daddy issues resurrects a creature

1012
00:55:36.239 --> 00:55:38.199
made from a bunch of dead dudes, only to discard

1013
00:55:38.199 --> 00:55:42.000
it shortly after for being dumb and disappointing. After becoming educated,

1014
00:55:42.039 --> 00:55:45.039
the honky creature returns to its absentee father, request and

1015
00:55:45.039 --> 00:55:48.440
a girlfriend, but as cock blocked and rejected again, Mayhem

1016
00:55:48.440 --> 00:55:50.519
and sues in a murderous rage across the Arctic.

1017
00:55:54.400 --> 00:56:01.800
All right, my mind, ange, love it, Okay,