Dec. 12, 2025

Guillermo del Toro - Frankenstein: Part Two of Two

Guillermo del Toro - Frankenstein: Part Two of Two
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Season 6

David, Amber, and Angela have stitched together a bonus, two-part episode for you today! The trio have a lively conversation about Guillermo del Toro's passion project, Frankenstein!

Join the conversation as they explore del Toro's reimagining of Mary Shelley’s classic tale through his signature blend of gothic beauty, emotional depth, and monstrous humanity. The film's cinematography, bold performances, and intricate costume details are all under examination as they determine whether or not this may be the filmmaker's most personal creature film yet!

They discuss the film’s bold visual style, the performances driving its tragic core, and where it sits within del Toro’s larger body of work. Join the conversation as they examine why this adaptation might be the filmmaker’s most personal creature feature yet. Part 2/2

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Hey, this is Tiffany Hail from Friday the thirteenth to

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five Violet, and you are watching and listening to a film.

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Buy.

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If you're not toward me, love, then I will indulge

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and rage. Welcome back, everybody. We're we're continuing our discussion

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of Garmoral I always mispronounced his name. Where Gherama de

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Toro's Frankenstein. Ladies, let's continue our discussion about the film itself.

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I know we've kind of been doing that as we've

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been talking about the cast, But there's so many amazing

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scenes throughout this film. How do you, ladies feel about

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him breaking it into like the prelude about his character

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and then the creature's story. I think that was perfect

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in my opinion.

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They didn't interfere with the storytelling.

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I thought that was a great way of, you know,

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still flowing through things and you still didn't feel like, oh, well,

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I you know I miss something, or you know, you

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would forget. I thought it was very, very well done

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and it wasn't disruptive at all.

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Yeah, it's a good way of adapting a known tale

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because in the book, you like, Victor wakes up and

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sees the creature and like freaks out and like passes out,

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and then the creature just wanders off, like he grabs

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a coat and the coat had Victor's diary in it,

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and he just wanders off. So you don't find out

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until way later where the creature's been and what has

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happened to him. And it's all exposition. It's all him

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telling Victor, you know it. And I like that we

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left this part of the tail and now we're picking

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up on another part.

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Like that was really, yes, seamless, it really was. It

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flowed so well, you never got bored one time.

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And I think also, like I've said, like Victor is

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the worst, so like we needed a break.

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Oh yeah, for sure.

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You know, like he blows up that scene where he

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blows up the laboratory, like that is so horrific that

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he uh that he left him chained in the basement

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and and he and he gave him what he asked

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for and he still blew the thing up, like like

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an't even so like we needed a break. We need

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to like catch our breasts and you know, go to

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a quiet farm somewhere and chill out.

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Yeah, And it was nice that he got some instant

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karma from that you know, that little plate is like, really,

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was that really regret or what in?

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And yeah?

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And then having you know that that happened, I'm like, yeah, painful, isn't.

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It serves you right, buddy, right.

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But again, it's not gonna be like this is my fault.

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Right, it's the creature's fault because he was calling my name.

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Yes, a little fun fact, the prosthetic leg that Victor

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gets is the same prosthetic leg from Devil's back.

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Then, Oh is it really? I didn't catch that. That's awesome. Nice,

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that's a nice touch, it really is. I love when

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directors do.

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That kind of I know, why not?

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Yes, why not? I absolutely love how the creature learns

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how to talk and read, how he's watching, you know,

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the blind man teaching his granddaughter and he's watching the

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wall of that. I thought that was so well done,

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I really do.

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And just that whole storyline makes me so sad because

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they are so appreciative of his wanting to help them,

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and he, you know, chops the wood forum and fixes

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the fence and they're thinking the the what do they

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call him the spirit of the forest, And they leave

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him clothes, and they leave him food and stuff, And

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it reminded me of Pans Labyrinth because the fairy tale

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creatures in that film are so ugly beautiful, yes that

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if you're not open minded, they're terrifying. And so here

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are these people that, like you, have this spirit that

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has only ever been benevolent. But the moment they see him,

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they can't get past what he looks like to realize

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this is who's been helping you the whole time. You know,

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this is this kind spirit that you have, you know,

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praised and been so grateful for. And you didn't have sad.

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He just wanted head pads.

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It's so sid want just to belong.

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And what I love about when he found shelter there

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you have all the mice crawling around that usually in

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a normal you know, human be like you know, varmints

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or you know, go at him with the room and stuff.

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But he, you know that whole the mouse going over

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his hand, and then when he pulled the blanket of

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himself and then you see all the mouths that kind

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of gathering you know, on him.

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Just encap I thought that was a lovely.

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Moment and just his acknowledgment of other little creatures that

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even though you know we're smaller than him and to others,

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you know, their pest or whatnot. But also not just

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with the little creatures, but you know before that, with

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the simple thing of a be leaf and the flowing water,

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and by him watching the leaf and the water, knowing

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how he could escape, you know, the fate that Victor

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was trying to you know, send him to. Of course

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at that point you know that he could regenerate.

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But but those little.

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Moments of just his you know him just hey, it's

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a symbiotic relationship that I really that. And then again

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it's just he wanted willingness to learn, like he had

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the willingness there, but he didn't have the teacher that had.

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A terrible teacher, right, yeah, that.

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Didn't have that same that same goal, that same appreciation

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for actual knowledge, right, just basics.

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Just in itself, you have this this brilliant mind in Victor,

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who you know, does an incredible job of bringing something

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back to life, okay, but has so selfish, so self centered,

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that he cannot teach. But yet you have a blind

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man who has the patience, the wisdom, and in my opinion,

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is more intelligent than Victor because of that fact that

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he takes his time to teach his daughter, i mean,

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his granddaughter that. But also at the same time, the love,

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even though he can't see this guy, the love that

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he shows him just makes him so much better than Victor,

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just the fact, and he.

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Has a wonderful representation of it's purposefully done that he's blind,

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because just like with us, if we didn't allow our

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eyes to make the judgment, you know, if we had

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that removed and relet on our other senses and intuition

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and kind of you know, that common sense that you know,

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if you would allow those things to be at the

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forefront versus just what you're seeing, that would make all

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the difference of how we interact with each other and

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how you know, we we would treat one another. You know,

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the pre can see and like you said, people, he

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must have been a soldier. You know, we're else you know, like,

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you know, did someone do this to you? You know?

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What what happened to you?

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That's usually would be kind of like a common first

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question if you see something, you know, like like what happened?

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Because who in their mine?

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The first thing, oh, you must have been put together

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by a bunch of dead dude dead you know, the

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dead part body parts, so right, you know that's not

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the first.

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Putting those two together.

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Yeah, yeah, you know.

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And then you know, if you're told that you're like what,

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you're out of your mind and they lock you up

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just for being a madman, not for being a monster,

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but but the use of the blind man, you know,

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showing that you've got these other senses that you really

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rely on and nurture and and you you know, your eyesight,

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so he didn't have to have his eyes, you know,

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he had his sense.

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Of you're a good person. You can feel that vibe.

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Off of Oh yeah, absolutely, you can, you know.

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With or without, you know, your eyes, you can definitely

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get that. And he so to me, I mean that

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was the ultimate.

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I mean, yeah, there's there's a line that the creature

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gives us in his narration. He says, this is when

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the wolves were attacking for the first time and killing

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the sheep and stuff like that. He said, the hunter

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did not hate the wolf, the wolf did not hate

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the sheep, but violence felt inevitable between them. This was

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the way of the world. It will haunt you and

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kill you just for being who you are. That is

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just beautiful, It really really is and I mean it

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really makes you think of the way we view things

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in this world. And you know, it just it makes

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you personalize it in a way, if that makes sense.

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It does, you know, it makes you want to treat

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other people better because of hearing that. I mean, it

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just it hits home. It really does.

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You know, a person's walk of life for why they

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are the way they are, you know, but just automatically, Hey,

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you're in this category. You're in this category. It's going

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to be you know, wolves are beautiful, but yes, but

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they're doing what they were born to be exactly and

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it was for you know, they need to feed themselves too.

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And fortunately sheep are not a predator, you know, you know,

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they are a prey and it's just that's the balance

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of that natural world.

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Yeah. Yeah, there's just there's just so many things in

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this film. It's ridiculous. I mean we be talking probably

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half a day on this on this film.

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This is definitely a leave the film and go have

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a nice long dinner. Yeah, and you know, just let

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the ideas flow.

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Yeah, this is another one of those films. And I

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talked about this when we did Jaws back in the summer.

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This is another one of those films if you are

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a film student and you want to really look what

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it looks like to make an incredible film that is

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considered art. This is a perfect example to show this

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to students of the depth that you can take in

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creating a vision. And Del Toro is a god dam

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master of that, and he proves it in this film.

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He's proved it countless other times. Don't get me wrong,

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I was gonna say.

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I think I still would champion Penn's Labyrinth over this one.

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But but yeah, you're absolutely right, Like this absolutely should

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be on a curriculum somewhere.

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Yeah, And I envy young filmmakers today. You know, today,

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kids have so many things at their fingertips. Now. Anybody

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can make a damn movie now because you know, the cameras.

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The technology is there with the cameras, the drones, the

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steady cams, the computers for crying out loud. You can

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edit a film on anything. You can edit a film

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on your damn phone now. So there's so many things

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that kids' fingertips now. I'm jealous of that because when

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I was that age, god, well, you had to use

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a VHS camera for crying out loud. And you really

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couldn't edit it that well because you didn't have the

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technology to do that kind of thing. Now you've got

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everything at your fingertips. Just be creative, tell a story,

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you know, and this is a perfect for This is

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a perfect film to go look at that.

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You know.

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I showed this to my nephews and you know, well,

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I'll go back to like talking about if some people

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out there have not heard of Frankenstein. My one nephew

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had no clue who Frankenstein was, and I felt kind

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of bad. I'm like, really, you don't know who Frankenstein

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is and you're my nephew. I've let you down somewhere, Okay.

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You know that happens with Liam sometimes where he's like,

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you know, what's Pink Floyd? And I'm like, oh, I

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have failed you. I'm down son. You're gonna learn.

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And that's what I did. I set him down. And

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his older brother he already knew freaking Stein and we

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watched it together, so now he knows and he got

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a great example of what Frankenstein is out of this film.

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Yes, absolutely, to.

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See how you can make their lives more enriched and

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show them and you know, open up their minds.

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You don't just discard them and chain them to the basement.

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Don't go hit them with anything.

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You know, Well, you're just dumb, and I'm done with you.

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Well, I love that the title of the book is

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subtitled the Modern Prometheus, and I love to think about

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that as you're reading it or watching this movie. Because

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Prometheus he gave humans fire because he wanted them to

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grow and flourish. He loved them so much. He wanted

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to enrich their lives and make it better be And

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what Victor has is hubris, which in Greek mythology, it

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was a lot worse than just being like extremely prideful

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or arrogant. It was saying that we are better than

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the gods and that we can do it better, and

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that they are unworthy of ruling, and we're going to

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take over. And you know, all of these things that

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you look at, you know, your parents, and you can say, well,

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these are all the ways that you screwed up, And

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then unfortunately you look at your own kids and you go, yeah,

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these are all the ways I screwed up. Because none

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of us know what we're doing. We're all doing the

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best we can exactly, but you know, to see how

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that progresses through this story is just a fascinating thought experiment.

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Yeah, and it shows you what kind of level of

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the creatures on too, that he forgives Victor at the end,

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Like what would that take for anyone to forgive somebody

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who put them through that? And then him begging and

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asking for a companion, and you know, just wanting someone

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to love him. Just it really breaks your heart. And

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I don't know if I could forgive somebody if they

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put me through something like that, that would be the

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hardest thing ever. Granted, you know he's an innocent, he

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really is. Victor just put him through hell and back,

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you know, and he learned his lesson with that. And

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he actually taught Victor a lesson by you know, beating

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the crap out of him. You know. The one thing

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when he says, I will make you bleed, I will

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make you humble. You may have created me, but from

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this day forward, I will be your master. I love

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that line because it just shows you how the roles

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have reversed there, you know. And I think maybe Victor

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doesn't recognize it just yet, because he still goes on

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that hunt and chases him up north and so eventually

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on the ship he does realize it because remember he

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tells the captain just put me outside, let the creature

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have me, because you know, I'm done basically. But then

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when and you know, uh, the creature comes in, tells

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his story, and then they sit down and basically just

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you know, Victor asks for that forgiveness. The whole scene

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right there was just beautiful in itself, even though we

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may hate Victor still, which we do, but just the

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the love the creature had for his father right there

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just shows you the heart he had in the end.

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I absolutely am in love with that addition and of

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that know that to be part of that adaptation of

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that therapeutic scene between them. And I had mentioned in

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the review about the forgiveness part that that is a

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feat that a lot of as humans struggle to get to.

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That healing.

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You know, all these things we try to, you know,

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to survive and so forth, and and you know, the

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creature has had a limited time, you know, on the earth,

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so they're not so jaded by the world as you

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know whole and I think too with his interactions with

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that blind man Elizabeth and just and then the little

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scenes that you have with you know where it was

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that it was a deer when he was in this

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wandering through the forest before he got to that family's

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the mice and things like that. That definitely worked in

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his favor to get to that point, you know, despite

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what Victor done with them, because like you said, most

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of them like no, I hope you've rotten hell die

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of gone rhea and rotten, you know, like no, and

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and especially you know a lot of you know, a

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lot of people are being more outspoken about, you know,

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their traumas and things, because that is a you know,

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healthy part. But you know, even personally, I mean some

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certain things that you know, other people, the harms of that,

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you know, that's taken me like decades before, you know,

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because you don't always have to forgive someone else. I know,

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they say, you know, the forgiveness is about your self.

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And I'm trying not to digress too much, but just

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to bring Moore how he was just so willing to

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do that for himself and like you said, of having

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you know.

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That even that self love.

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If I want to get all kind of little hokey

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about it, that you know, hey, this is kind of

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the cards have been dealt.

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This is what I want at the end, you know,

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he was able to.

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Yeah.

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I wonder if it has more to do with acceptance, because,

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like he initially asks, Victor, make one like me. I

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want a partner, I want a mate. But I think

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in this adaptation the death of Elizabeth, like as he

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is with her when she dies and they're in her

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action when she dies, I think he realized, like, this

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was my soulmate, this is the one that would have

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loved me, and she did in losing her. I think

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as he is fleeing Victor, he's accepting that there will

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be no one else like her. There's no one else

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like me, and there will be no one else like her.

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He's alone. Yeah, yep.

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And I think as he's fleeing and coming to accept that,

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you know, he tries to to destroy himself first with

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the dynamite, you know, and I think he had decided,

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like I'm accepting that this is the end of my path,

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and you know, when that didn't happen, I think that

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all of that trauma had then made it easier for

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him to take that next step to forgive Victor, you know,

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before he died.

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Yeah, that's a very good point.

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It's just you know, hey, this was the idea of

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a life that I would have liked to have had.

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Now that that version is not possible, I have to

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move forward and the life that I am going on

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to have.

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That last scene, that last shot is just with the

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sun beautiful, Yes, with him standing in the sun. Like

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it's gut wrenching that it's beautiful as well.

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It is really heartbreaking. I mean it's just like because

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he's by himself, you know, well.

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Like to go back to pants Labyrinth, like the end

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of that movie, Like I'm a sobbing mess. Like it's

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really sad, but it's also beautiful because you know, she

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gets her parents and she's a princess and it's okay.

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It's bittersweet.

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Yes, And how appropriate that he ends this movie with

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the quote and I and thus the heart will break

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yet brokenly live on.

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Yes, I absolutely love that the Lord Byron quote. I'm

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going to that because that was another connection yep, you

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know with Mary Shelley Well, and it was.

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In the book, so you know it was important to her.

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There were people that were complaining about it, like you

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ended the movie with a man's quote, and I'm like, dude,

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the whole movie was her words.

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Like what do you want?

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We just spent like two and a half hours with her.

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It's fine, everybody, Calm.

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Down, Calm down, Calm down. And you know, another thing

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that I love that del Toro did is the sound

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the voice of the creature, Like especially at the beginning

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when he's attacking the crew and you hear that victor,

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like that deep growl that he had. It just like

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even when he got up on the ship and he

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was like I want him, and everybody's like backing up

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a little bit because it's almost like a creature, like

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literally a animal growling. Wow.

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Yeah, I don't know anything about any kind of layering

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of sound, but it does sound like if that's Jacob

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doing that voice, like that's really impressive voice work, which

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is possible, but like it almost sounds like they layered

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him with like a t rex and a gorilla and

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something else.

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But it works for sure. Yes, that whole opening with

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that just puts you on edge. Your sea's like, holy crap,

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we're in for a treat.

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Oh yeah, that that was a perfect way I get

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we're gonna pull you on into this and uh yeah

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and that after that and I was yeah, absolutely.

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Yeah, I was intrigued, see, because I didn't know where

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we were going with this adaptation. So Garma never lets

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you down. You're gonna end up loving the creature by

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the end of it, you know you are. But if

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we go according to Hoyle, like he's a horribly violent murderer,

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like he slaughters everybody, yep, you know, if they even

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thought the words Victor Frankenstein, they get killed. So you know,

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like you're wondering, how is he going to make me,

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you know, not terrified of this creature? And then of

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course look at what he does. Do you know?

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Another thing that we should discuss is the music by

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Alexander Displot. Yes.

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I was, oh, he's so, oh my god.

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That the music in this was brilliant. Again I'm using

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that word throughout this, Yes, And you know, at times

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it was it was just lightly there in the background

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and you you almost didn't notice it, but you did

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it because it didn't take over the story or the

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scene or anything like that. But then when it needed

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to really punch up, did it. And it was absolutely beautiful,

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especially the piece there at the end when when he's

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going off to the sun by himself. Beautiful piece right there,

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and It's just I glad that like he held himself

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back to some degree, and I'm sure that's still total saying.

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You know, I don't want the music taking over the

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story because the story is strong enough, but you still

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get hints of it throughout the film, and I thought

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it was lovely.

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Oh and I love like there is there is no

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Frankenstein movie without the reanimation scene, like the laboratory and

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the reanimation in the storm. Like if you don't have that,

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I don't know what the hell you're doing, and it's

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so crucial and right, what story are you even telling?

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But it's interesting to see all the different ways that

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it's been done through the years and different ideas of

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you know, what scientific strategy could you use to reanimate

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a corpse? But I love in this scene how the

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music is like almost whimsical. Yes it is, because there's

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you know, horror and comedy are side by side, like

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they're the Yin and the Yang and a lot of horror,

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there is humor there because that's in some ways your

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response to fear is like that you just bubble up

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and like you can laugh, you know, And I love

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that that, you know, instead of like you said, being

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very bombastic and dramatic and something big is about to happen.

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There's this kind of whimsical you know, he's shoving these

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body parts down the drain and stuff. You know, there's

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this whimsy to that music that I think is just

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it's so spot on.

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It is absolutely It's funny. When you mentioned the body

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parts that that documentary that we saw, they said that, well,

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we had a few of these body parts and we

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want to see what ways he goes use them all ywhere.

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Yeah, there's legs and arms and who knows what.

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It's so gross, but yet I mean he's there like

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soling limbs off.

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And just but you know, there's a beauty to that

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as well. It's in the in the level of you know,

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if you are in medicine, you take gross anatomy and

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you dissect a cadaver and you learn all of these structures,

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and he uses that so well, yeah, I know he's

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not a doctor, but I mean he did go class

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for a while, and the use of that you know,

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scientific medical side of it and that anatomical medical side

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of it, I think keeps it from being disgusting. Just

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for the point of being disgusting. Like, I love Kenneth

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Branna and I like that version. I think it's a

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good adaptation of the book. But god damn, it's so gross.

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Like yeah, I just yeah, So this probably would be

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a good point to interject my slight little rits since

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we're talking about like the body parts, and then here

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we go, here we go, so this, yeah, this, I

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don't know, this might be just an extra for the patreons,

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but here we go.

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So back to when the creatures.

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Asking Victor, Hey, I want a companion, and then Victor

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goes off on you know, he refuses because he's not

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going to make another mistake and he doesn't want, you know,

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reproduction of the abomination and leads to more manus in

468
00:25:37.160 --> 00:25:41.160
the world, or, as he says, a breed of rare doubles.

469
00:25:41.160 --> 00:25:42.559
At least that's from the book.

470
00:25:43.759 --> 00:25:45.759
Obviously, he had to go through and salvage all these

471
00:25:45.799 --> 00:25:48.240
particular body parts and making sure that they were all

472
00:25:48.279 --> 00:25:53.559
in working order correct, So obviously you're going to assume, okay,

473
00:25:53.599 --> 00:25:58.799
maybe he would have the ability to reproduce, But that

474
00:25:59.640 --> 00:26:01.920
excuse is just kind of a cop out because if

475
00:26:01.960 --> 00:26:05.279
you were to go make a companion for him, well,

476
00:26:05.319 --> 00:26:08.240
again you're gonna have to find some fresh body parts

477
00:26:08.279 --> 00:26:13.000
to put together that you could reanimate that companion, but

478
00:26:13.200 --> 00:26:16.880
take out the reproductive organs. Now, mind you, I am

479
00:26:16.960 --> 00:26:21.000
all for women's autonomy and their choice and their personal

480
00:26:21.039 --> 00:26:23.720
desires when it comes to you know, pregnancy things like that.

481
00:26:24.000 --> 00:26:27.359
But since we learned that this particular creature version of

482
00:26:27.400 --> 00:26:31.279
the creature can regenerate, this sectomy is out of the

483
00:26:31.359 --> 00:26:35.319
question because I would assume you would do that these

484
00:26:35.359 --> 00:26:38.000
parts are gonna heal and then boom you have, you know,

485
00:26:38.039 --> 00:26:43.440
more little baby abominations running around. So and which also

486
00:26:43.519 --> 00:26:46.480
led me to believe, well, if he can regenerate, well

487
00:26:46.559 --> 00:26:47.920
forget about Captain America.

488
00:26:47.960 --> 00:26:49.880
Here's your freaking super soldier.

489
00:26:53.079 --> 00:26:53.519
With that.

490
00:26:55.359 --> 00:26:58.640
So that you know, So that was my whole argument

491
00:26:58.640 --> 00:27:01.920
about the whole you know, companion thing of just you

492
00:27:01.960 --> 00:27:05.960
could have given him somebody and you could have taken

493
00:27:06.000 --> 00:27:08.440
away that you know, that element. Again, I know I'm

494
00:27:08.480 --> 00:27:11.960
picking this apart, you know, and breaking it down, but

495
00:27:12.000 --> 00:27:15.799
I also thought it was just a four fundzies. Sure well,

496
00:27:16.039 --> 00:27:17.880
but that would have been logical about it.

497
00:27:18.400 --> 00:27:20.839
That was the one thing that I didn't like about

498
00:27:20.839 --> 00:27:24.839
this adaptation is I don't like the t one thousand

499
00:27:24.920 --> 00:27:29.880
element of Brukenstein, like I like him, yeah, being I

500
00:27:30.000 --> 00:27:36.440
wasn't super big, super strong. Yeah, but the idea that

501
00:27:36.519 --> 00:27:39.079
like he literally blow himself up with dynamite and then

502
00:27:39.119 --> 00:27:41.640
like just I don't know what came back together again.

503
00:27:42.000 --> 00:27:44.680
Yeah, he said he could feel everything kind of growing back,

504
00:27:44.720 --> 00:27:46.880
but even when he was.

505
00:27:46.400 --> 00:27:50.960
Leaving them say no, yeah, but I mean that's such

506
00:27:50.960 --> 00:27:54.359
a nitpicky little thing that it doesn't even cap it

507
00:27:54.359 --> 00:27:55.079
doesn't even matter.

508
00:27:55.279 --> 00:27:55.759
It's fine.

509
00:27:56.160 --> 00:27:58.680
So the whole Yeah, so that regeneration thing, I was like, okay,

510
00:27:58.680 --> 00:28:00.559
well that this is a new aspect of him.

511
00:28:00.640 --> 00:28:04.240
It is because you know in the.

512
00:28:03.880 --> 00:28:07.319
Book he does start making he makes one and then

513
00:28:07.319 --> 00:28:09.279
he throws it away and then he says I don't

514
00:28:09.279 --> 00:28:11.079
want him to all of a sudden now I can't

515
00:28:11.079 --> 00:28:14.000
do it, and he destroys it and the creature watches

516
00:28:14.079 --> 00:28:16.039
him destroy it, and that's when he's like, okay, well

517
00:28:16.119 --> 00:28:19.960
I'm killing your bride, you know, the wedding night, and

518
00:28:20.119 --> 00:28:22.400
Kenneth Bradas kind of took that little later.

519
00:28:24.839 --> 00:28:27.640
So that that leads me to a question, Yes, the

520
00:28:27.680 --> 00:28:31.880
way this one ends, do you think if Netflix was

521
00:28:31.960 --> 00:28:34.440
to finance it, do you think we would see Bride

522
00:28:34.440 --> 00:28:38.240
of Frankenstein from Del Toro, because there's rumors already flying

523
00:28:38.319 --> 00:28:41.000
around that it's a possibility. Now it's not come from

524
00:28:41.000 --> 00:28:46.200
Del Toro to my knowledge. But would you ladies like

525
00:28:46.240 --> 00:28:47.559
to see Bride of Frankenstein?

526
00:28:48.359 --> 00:28:49.599
I mean, it would be interesting.

527
00:28:50.559 --> 00:28:56.200
But on the other hand, it could be a different story,

528
00:28:57.319 --> 00:29:03.640
whether or not you know, without necessarily you know, companion

529
00:29:03.720 --> 00:29:08.319
that's created like him. So last night I watched a

530
00:29:08.400 --> 00:29:12.559
movie not realizing that it was more like an extension.

531
00:29:12.119 --> 00:29:13.000
Of the Frankenstan story.

532
00:29:13.000 --> 00:29:14.640
And I never seen it, but it's called I Franken

533
00:29:14.680 --> 00:29:17.000
Signed with Aaron Eckhart, and I will say it was fun.

534
00:29:17.359 --> 00:29:19.440
I don't know if you've seen it, but it was. Yeah,

535
00:29:19.480 --> 00:29:21.079
it was like a modern thing of him. You know,

536
00:29:21.160 --> 00:29:24.799
he survived and now he's in the middle of a

537
00:29:24.799 --> 00:29:29.119
war between gargoyles and demons and such. And it was,

538
00:29:29.240 --> 00:29:31.160
you know, by one of the main writers from you know,

539
00:29:31.200 --> 00:29:33.160
The Underworld's here. So as soon as I start, I'm like, okay,

540
00:29:33.200 --> 00:29:36.920
I can definitely feel the Underworld vibe throughout this whole thing.

541
00:29:37.599 --> 00:29:40.240
And it wasn't I would you know, it had a

542
00:29:40.240 --> 00:29:42.160
lot of good action, you know, it was decent. I

543
00:29:42.160 --> 00:29:46.519
mean it wasn't horrible, So maybe seeing something a little

544
00:29:46.599 --> 00:29:53.440
bit more that doesn't necessarily have to involve a bride.

545
00:29:53.559 --> 00:29:56.240
It couldn't be something forced. It's got to be like

546
00:29:56.319 --> 00:29:59.759
even if you know, I mean, he's gonna live for

547
00:29:59.759 --> 00:30:02.599
a Also, it doesn't necessarily have to take you know,

548
00:30:02.680 --> 00:30:05.160
like right after it could you know, timely even a

549
00:30:05.160 --> 00:30:07.000
little bit, you know, like it doesn't even have to

550
00:30:07.000 --> 00:30:11.759
be super modern, but it if del Tour would be

551
00:30:11.799 --> 00:30:14.000
willing to do it, I would be willing to watch it.

552
00:30:14.480 --> 00:30:15.279
Amber, what do you think?

553
00:30:17.079 --> 00:30:22.160
I mean, Brian Frankenstein in the movie doesn't if you're

554
00:30:22.200 --> 00:30:27.039
going for that story, it doesn't mesh with we just watched.

555
00:30:27.559 --> 00:30:32.400
So it would have to be like pretty original idea,

556
00:30:33.839 --> 00:30:36.640
you know. And and like Angela said, whatever Gamer wants

557
00:30:36.720 --> 00:30:41.359
to do for it, do whatever he wants forever. But

558
00:30:42.799 --> 00:30:46.599
I know I'm not interested. I I have you know,

559
00:30:46.720 --> 00:30:49.599
Liam loves hell Boy and hell Boy too, but that's

560
00:30:49.640 --> 00:30:54.640
a comic book adaptation that has many series and iterations.

561
00:30:55.640 --> 00:30:58.039
I've never been interested in a in a sequel to

562
00:30:58.119 --> 00:31:00.759
any of his films, so I think they're perfect just

563
00:31:00.759 --> 00:31:01.240
like they are.

564
00:31:01.759 --> 00:31:04.400
I'm in the camp that let's just leave this one alone.

565
00:31:04.640 --> 00:31:05.200
Yeah.

566
00:31:05.319 --> 00:31:07.559
We don't need any sequels, We don't need any additional

567
00:31:07.599 --> 00:31:10.000
stories or anything like that, because this one's absolutely perfect.

568
00:31:10.480 --> 00:31:11.039
I love the.

569
00:31:11.079 --> 00:31:14.519
Ending, like it's just yeah, yeah, peace, just leave and

570
00:31:14.640 --> 00:31:17.799
be And that's kind of where I'm go.

571
00:31:17.880 --> 00:31:18.920
Hang out with the polar bears.

572
00:31:18.920 --> 00:31:21.759
He'll be fine, right, you know, Go be a spirit

573
00:31:21.839 --> 00:31:22.519
of the forest.

574
00:31:22.680 --> 00:31:23.599
Go exactly.

575
00:31:23.880 --> 00:31:27.359
No, be benevolent to those that you don't always have

576
00:31:27.400 --> 00:31:27.880
you to make it.

577
00:31:27.960 --> 00:31:30.960
No, just be especially people out of the ice flow.

578
00:31:31.400 --> 00:31:35.200
Yes, yeah, absolutely, watch out for that. So I just

579
00:31:35.279 --> 00:31:37.839
like to think of his doing this thing his thing.

580
00:31:38.160 --> 00:31:40.359
He doesn't need our interference, and.

581
00:31:40.359 --> 00:31:42.079
I like that. That's that's the best way to look

582
00:31:42.119 --> 00:31:43.519
at it. And I agree with you on that one. Angela.

583
00:31:44.279 --> 00:31:46.720
All right, So, ladies, I know I told you to

584
00:31:47.400 --> 00:31:52.079
bring with you some homework and talk about your three

585
00:31:52.160 --> 00:31:54.640
favorite films that are frank Is signed. That is not

586
00:31:55.000 --> 00:31:57.480
this one, because I know all of us absolutely love

587
00:31:57.519 --> 00:32:00.000
this one, so we're not going to include this one.

588
00:32:00.119 --> 00:32:03.200
So let's talk about our three favorite films that are

589
00:32:03.240 --> 00:32:07.960
about Frankenstein over the years. So whoever wants to go first,

590
00:32:08.079 --> 00:32:08.759
be my guest.

591
00:32:09.440 --> 00:32:14.279
I ad Aneymber all right, So my first one is

592
00:32:14.319 --> 00:32:18.000
from nineteen thirty five, The Bride of Frankenstein. Actually I

593
00:32:18.039 --> 00:32:19.920
was torn between that one and the first one. But

594
00:32:20.480 --> 00:32:24.880
Bride of Frankenstein has more of the monster and more

595
00:32:25.440 --> 00:32:27.759
his character is more like it is in the book,

596
00:32:29.000 --> 00:32:34.480
and you get a little more divisive Victor, so to speak,

597
00:32:34.519 --> 00:32:37.119
because you have Victor who's still like kind of a

598
00:32:37.200 --> 00:32:40.079
nice guy, and then you have Doctor Pretorius who's just

599
00:32:40.119 --> 00:32:42.880
an absolute rat bastard. So you get like the ying

600
00:32:42.920 --> 00:32:49.079
and yang of that. So I like that one. Nineteen

601
00:32:49.119 --> 00:32:52.000
seventy four. Young Frankenstein can never not be on the list.

602
00:32:52.480 --> 00:32:55.079
You have to to make a good parody, you have

603
00:32:55.119 --> 00:33:00.440
to love what you're paroding, and that parody is so

604
00:33:01.079 --> 00:33:07.319
spot on, perfect, hysterically funny, and the love just flows through,

605
00:33:07.400 --> 00:33:10.559
So that one always is on my list. And then

606
00:33:10.720 --> 00:33:13.240
for my third one, you know, I talked about the

607
00:33:13.279 --> 00:33:18.799
Kenneth Branna version. Everybody really knows that one. But in

608
00:33:18.880 --> 00:33:23.599
twenty eleven, the National Theater in Britain did National Theater

609
00:33:23.759 --> 00:33:30.279
live production of Frankenstein, starring Benedict Cumberbatch and Johnny Lee Miller,

610
00:33:30.880 --> 00:33:33.599
and what they did was, for the run of the play,

611
00:33:34.119 --> 00:33:40.359
they alternated playing Victor and the creature. Oh cool, so

612
00:33:40.640 --> 00:33:43.039
they I don't, I can't remember. It was like every

613
00:33:43.039 --> 00:33:45.599
other night or every third night or whatever. They switched off.

614
00:33:46.519 --> 00:33:52.559
And then National Theater Live will film certain productions, and

615
00:33:52.640 --> 00:33:54.440
so Liam and I saw that in the theater and

616
00:33:54.480 --> 00:33:57.680
it's I believe, still available on YouTube. They did release

617
00:33:57.720 --> 00:34:01.200
it officially. It's not like a bootleg. And that is

618
00:34:01.359 --> 00:34:06.240
just a fascinating acting exercise. It's really interesting to watch,

619
00:34:06.960 --> 00:34:10.320
you know, the set design and the way they tell

620
00:34:10.360 --> 00:34:14.039
the story, and it's very minimalistic sets, but it still

621
00:34:14.039 --> 00:34:16.880
gives you everything that you need to tell the story.

622
00:34:16.960 --> 00:34:20.760
And then the acting between those two is just amazing,

623
00:34:20.880 --> 00:34:24.960
and it goes very much into the morality of the

624
00:34:25.079 --> 00:34:29.400
choices that Victor made. And and you know the line

625
00:34:29.920 --> 00:34:32.199
from this movie that I love is he says, I

626
00:34:32.280 --> 00:34:35.719
never considered what would come after creation, and I just

627
00:34:35.840 --> 00:34:40.679
shouted out, like just like a man, damn it. Of

628
00:34:40.760 --> 00:34:44.039
course you didn't. This is why you have very little

629
00:34:44.119 --> 00:34:46.599
to do with creation, and you just let us take

630
00:34:46.639 --> 00:34:51.199
care of it because y'all cannot handle it. But that's

631
00:34:51.199 --> 00:34:53.679
pretty much this play is this back and forth between

632
00:34:53.719 --> 00:34:57.639
them of you know, what has Victor done and the

633
00:34:57.800 --> 00:35:01.920
other characters as they discover what he is done, you know,

634
00:35:02.039 --> 00:35:05.920
kind of discussing the morality of it and the implications

635
00:35:05.920 --> 00:35:08.840
of that kind of science, and so it's just a

636
00:35:08.880 --> 00:35:11.960
really fascinating production. So check that out on YouTube.

637
00:35:12.039 --> 00:35:14.079
That sounds amazing. I'm definitely gonna check that out. Thanks

638
00:35:14.079 --> 00:35:15.639
the Amber Angela.

639
00:35:15.679 --> 00:35:22.079
What about you, Young Frankenstein is my the brilliance of

640
00:35:22.440 --> 00:35:27.800
Gene Wilder and Melburk's coming together with that and uh,

641
00:35:28.360 --> 00:35:31.239
not just the story, but bringing us some amazing comedic

642
00:35:31.719 --> 00:35:34.519
female performances from Oh.

643
00:35:34.400 --> 00:35:39.320
My god, Madeline Cry, I mean be seen at the train.

644
00:35:40.400 --> 00:35:43.840
I die. I cannot even breathe.

645
00:35:44.159 --> 00:35:48.719
She was taken from us too soon, and then Chlorus

646
00:35:48.800 --> 00:35:52.679
Leachman of course, but now pretty much everyone on that

647
00:35:52.800 --> 00:35:53.360
film there.

648
00:35:53.480 --> 00:35:56.119
I hope they're all having a blast, uh where they

649
00:35:56.119 --> 00:35:58.559
are in heaven and having a lovely reunion.

650
00:35:59.480 --> 00:36:02.519
You just can't, mel Brooks, just yet, not.

651
00:36:05.440 --> 00:36:08.800
Just yeah, yes we need yeah, Spaceball's number two.

652
00:36:08.880 --> 00:36:10.559
Yes, this is so what's gonna heal the world?

653
00:36:10.559 --> 00:36:13.320
I'm dying to search for more money. I can't wait,

654
00:36:13.360 --> 00:36:15.079
as like I will be in at the opening weekend

655
00:36:15.159 --> 00:36:18.280
for that. But yeah, just like she said, you you

656
00:36:18.360 --> 00:36:22.639
can only do an appropriate and perfect parody if you

657
00:36:22.760 --> 00:36:26.239
really know the material, and it was just fantastic.

658
00:36:26.400 --> 00:36:28.559
So that's my number one.

659
00:36:29.480 --> 00:36:34.320
I did put on Kenneth Browno's Mary Shelley's Frankenstein for

660
00:36:35.000 --> 00:36:37.880
just a couple of reasons, not that it's the best adaptation,

661
00:36:37.920 --> 00:36:42.039
because it's not. I I love Kenneth Brognant. I think

662
00:36:42.079 --> 00:36:44.280
he's he's a good director. I think he's a good

663
00:36:45.280 --> 00:36:49.159
uh a great actor. This particular version shows a little

664
00:36:49.199 --> 00:36:52.280
bit more of the romanticism of it, I think, you know,

665
00:36:52.400 --> 00:36:58.159
especially with him and Elizabeth sticking with that particular storyline.

666
00:36:58.320 --> 00:37:01.639
As you know in the book, it does tend to

667
00:37:01.639 --> 00:37:04.920
be a little bit more Shakespeare and melodramatic. I think

668
00:37:05.000 --> 00:37:12.000
Robert nindeerro was miscast as the monster yea, and the

669
00:37:12.039 --> 00:37:14.960
makeup of him as I mean, it was just I mean,

670
00:37:15.000 --> 00:37:16.599
I get your good trying to go for a shot,

671
00:37:16.679 --> 00:37:18.719
maybe shockguning gruesome, but it was just I don't know,

672
00:37:18.760 --> 00:37:21.639
I just think it was just I just didn't like it,

673
00:37:22.519 --> 00:37:24.880
because there's a way you can portray that without being

674
00:37:24.960 --> 00:37:28.360
so like you just didn't care with that needle and thread,

675
00:37:28.360 --> 00:37:32.519
did you victor life and and and and the parts

676
00:37:32.599 --> 00:37:37.840
you pick like I just laziness. AnyWho, So for that,

677
00:37:38.199 --> 00:37:41.679
I you know, and then it also kind of shows

678
00:37:41.679 --> 00:37:45.039
you know where uh, you know, the whole you know, uh,

679
00:37:45.159 --> 00:37:47.800
the monster kills Elizabeth and then you know, Kenn's like,

680
00:37:47.840 --> 00:37:49.719
oh well I can just you know, resurrect her now,

681
00:37:49.719 --> 00:37:53.639
and then showing that where she comes to realize what

682
00:37:53.800 --> 00:37:56.159
was done to her and what she decides to do.

683
00:37:56.159 --> 00:37:56.800
Because of that.

684
00:37:58.400 --> 00:38:01.360
So I I liked those parts of it. I think

685
00:38:01.440 --> 00:38:03.960
it's a good one at least. Nothing else to gauge

686
00:38:04.079 --> 00:38:07.960
the other version, the last one I put the first

687
00:38:08.039 --> 00:38:10.639
Frankenstein in nineteen thirty one, since that was the one

688
00:38:10.639 --> 00:38:12.960
that kind of started at all seeing you know, the

689
00:38:13.000 --> 00:38:18.679
Boris Karloff and that first kind of visual representation you know,

690
00:38:18.840 --> 00:38:21.360
of that that.

691
00:38:21.320 --> 00:38:25.400
Monster, you know, overlooking that understanding.

692
00:38:25.519 --> 00:38:27.079
It was made in nineteen thirty one, so you know,

693
00:38:27.119 --> 00:38:30.280
the acting there is a little bit camp and exaggerated, and.

694
00:38:31.920 --> 00:38:35.400
You know, obviously films have progressed since what.

695
00:38:37.280 --> 00:38:38.880
And then I know I'd already mentioned that, you know

696
00:38:38.920 --> 00:38:40.639
that the credit of her and that was.

697
00:38:40.599 --> 00:38:45.039
Just I'm like, oh my god, as missus Percy B.

698
00:38:45.199 --> 00:38:46.840
Shelley and not just Mary Shelley.

699
00:38:46.840 --> 00:38:51.039
I was like, ah, but I think those those three

700
00:38:52.039 --> 00:38:52.920
are good ones.

701
00:38:52.920 --> 00:38:56.400
To have egauge make engauge. Yeah, I agree. So I

702
00:38:56.400 --> 00:38:57.719
mean we're we're all three are going to be pretty

703
00:38:57.800 --> 00:39:00.440
much close to one another. My first one, obviously, I'm

704
00:39:00.480 --> 00:39:02.360
going to go with way Del Toro would go, and

705
00:39:02.440 --> 00:39:05.199
it would be the nineteen thirty one Frankenstein with Bori's

706
00:39:05.239 --> 00:39:08.599
call Off as the monster, Colin Clive May, Clark, John

707
00:39:08.599 --> 00:39:12.039
Bowles and of course directed by James Whale. That one

708
00:39:12.119 --> 00:39:15.760
set the standard for all of Frankenstein films up up

709
00:39:15.800 --> 00:39:18.960
to this date, and it does so much at Del Toro,

710
00:39:19.320 --> 00:39:21.480
you know, obviously grew up with that. He saw it

711
00:39:21.519 --> 00:39:23.360
in the theaters over and over and he fell in

712
00:39:23.400 --> 00:39:25.599
love with it, which is why we got the Frankenstein

713
00:39:25.639 --> 00:39:28.280
that we get today is because of that film. So

714
00:39:28.320 --> 00:39:31.519
you have to give that one. It's nod Amber. I

715
00:39:31.519 --> 00:39:34.360
agree with you. The nineteen thirty five Bride of Frankenstein.

716
00:39:35.039 --> 00:39:39.199
You get more of Boris Karloff, which I love him

717
00:39:39.280 --> 00:39:41.559
as Frankenstein. That's what I watched when I was a

718
00:39:41.559 --> 00:39:42.960
little kid growing up, you know. I mean, I know

719
00:39:43.039 --> 00:39:45.000
they were still really old, you know when I was

720
00:39:45.000 --> 00:39:48.599
growing up, but I fell in love with that Frankenstein.

721
00:39:49.079 --> 00:39:51.360
But again, you got Colin Clive, You've got Elsa Lanchester

722
00:39:51.480 --> 00:39:56.239
in her incredible performance as Mary Walstoncroft Shelley. She was

723
00:39:56.360 --> 00:40:01.599
amazing in that film. Again directed by James Well, who

724
00:40:02.199 --> 00:40:03.960
you know, I think did such a great job with

725
00:40:04.000 --> 00:40:05.679
those two. And of course I have to agree with

726
00:40:05.719 --> 00:40:08.639
both of you on Young Frankenstein, come on putting on

727
00:40:08.679 --> 00:40:11.960
the Ritz. I'm telling you, just that scene in itself.

728
00:40:12.039 --> 00:40:15.880
I cry every time I watch it because it's so

729
00:40:16.000 --> 00:40:20.760
funny everybody, and I want to throw out, Oh my goodness.

730
00:40:21.280 --> 00:40:25.719
Marty Feldman, he was brilliant in that film and just

731
00:40:26.039 --> 00:40:28.800
as Igor. I mean, my god, wasn't your hump on

732
00:40:28.840 --> 00:40:33.159
the other side. It just it's just simple. Things in

733
00:40:33.199 --> 00:40:36.639
that movie were just so funny, and yeah, a shout

734
00:40:36.639 --> 00:40:40.639
out to Cloris Leachman. I loved her, Madeline Khan, you know,

735
00:40:40.920 --> 00:40:45.800
Terry Garr, everybody. Geene Wilder was perfect in that film.

736
00:40:46.039 --> 00:40:47.440
You know, I can't speak more than you two have

737
00:40:47.440 --> 00:40:50.679
already done. But those definitely are the three Frankenstein films

738
00:40:50.679 --> 00:40:54.159
that I would watch over and over and recommend to everybody,

739
00:40:54.320 --> 00:40:57.360
including this one that we just talked about in this episode.

740
00:40:57.519 --> 00:41:01.639
Mom and I will still kind of the monster finds

741
00:41:01.679 --> 00:41:09.400
Madeline con and she starts singing, Oh no, if you.

742
00:41:12.679 --> 00:41:14.719
So good, we still.

743
00:41:14.440 --> 00:41:15.679
Won't quote that, partners.

744
00:41:15.679 --> 00:41:17.639
You know, depending on what's going on in our lives

745
00:41:17.679 --> 00:41:19.679
or what we're talking about is somehow we can relate

746
00:41:19.719 --> 00:41:22.039
it to that, we bring.

747
00:41:21.719 --> 00:41:22.440
That up too.

748
00:41:22.639 --> 00:41:27.719
So yep, absolutely well, ladies, thank you so much for

749
00:41:27.800 --> 00:41:31.679
joining me for this podcast. It has been exactly what

750
00:41:31.719 --> 00:41:32.480
I expected to be.

751
00:41:36.400 --> 00:41:39.559
Hopefully it was you know, was it too much?

752
00:41:40.000 --> 00:41:42.840
No, not at all, You too were both perfect. Thank

753
00:41:42.880 --> 00:41:45.559
you so much for that. I knew what I was

754
00:41:45.599 --> 00:41:48.400
getting into, and I'm glad that's why I wanted you

755
00:41:48.480 --> 00:41:52.039
too with me to talk about this film. And Amber,

756
00:41:52.079 --> 00:41:54.119
I owe you apology when I rolled my eyes saying

757
00:41:54.119 --> 00:41:56.519
when you said it was a brilliant film that it

758
00:41:56.559 --> 00:42:00.400
was a masterpiece before I watched it, because you're absolutely correct,

759
00:42:00.480 --> 00:42:01.760
it is a masterpiece.

760
00:42:02.480 --> 00:42:04.920
They don't call me the voice of reason for not.

761
00:42:06.920 --> 00:42:10.519
And I'll say one more thing about like I you know,

762
00:42:10.679 --> 00:42:13.079
usually watch things just you know, either you know, comedic,

763
00:42:13.159 --> 00:42:15.440
you know, because of my my hectic work schedule and

764
00:42:15.440 --> 00:42:17.519
and and what I do for a living, and so

765
00:42:17.639 --> 00:42:19.400
you know, usually I go to like comedic stuff or

766
00:42:19.400 --> 00:42:21.760
I'm usually always like super serious like drama stuff because

767
00:42:21.800 --> 00:42:28.880
I I'm weird. But what I really loved, besides all

768
00:42:28.920 --> 00:42:31.159
the things that we've talked about with this film, was

769
00:42:31.280 --> 00:42:35.599
that even in that chaotic life and in the schedule

770
00:42:35.639 --> 00:42:38.000
that it's hard for me to really connect with something

771
00:42:38.039 --> 00:42:41.000
to really allow me to feel like all the things

772
00:42:41.000 --> 00:42:45.119
that sometimes I don't give myself time to do. This

773
00:42:46.000 --> 00:42:49.639
really helped like with that, Like I from the moment

774
00:42:49.679 --> 00:42:52.639
it started, so even long after an inn and I

775
00:42:52.760 --> 00:42:54.519
was you know, I was listening to like the soundtrack

776
00:42:55.840 --> 00:42:59.000
you know, online just you know, all those things that

777
00:42:59.000 --> 00:43:00.719
I maybe not be able to dress like day and

778
00:43:00.760 --> 00:43:03.039
I but all the bet more better for it.

779
00:43:03.039 --> 00:43:04.599
I know, I'm kind of like babbling here with.

780
00:43:04.840 --> 00:43:08.159
But definitely something that you really want to feel you're invested.

781
00:43:08.360 --> 00:43:11.079
I mean, you're just it was it was.

782
00:43:11.280 --> 00:43:15.400
It gave quite a lot, and I really appreciate that part.

783
00:43:15.199 --> 00:43:17.599
You know, so absolutely well, You're your article was perfect.

784
00:43:17.760 --> 00:43:19.880
That's another reason why I wanted you on this one because.

785
00:43:19.719 --> 00:43:22.000
Of the article. And I'm like, I appreciate it.

786
00:43:22.519 --> 00:43:25.440
Getting Amber and Angela together is going to be fun.

787
00:43:25.480 --> 00:43:28.079
But you know, I know both your love your passion,

788
00:43:28.239 --> 00:43:30.639
so it's nice to have that together and talk about it.

789
00:43:30.679 --> 00:43:34.880
So without question, thank you so much for that. Uh, listeners,

790
00:43:34.880 --> 00:43:37.039
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791
00:43:37.320 --> 00:43:38.880
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792
00:43:38.920 --> 00:43:42.119
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811
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