Jeff Bleckner - White Water Summer

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I am sure you know the game
six Degrees of Kevin Bacon, right,

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absolutely. We played that all the
time back in Sun Coast, we did.

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Would you be surprised if I tell
you that I can connect myself in

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two? Well? No, Look, okay, I know you've been in

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a couple of features, but you're
not gonna tell me that you're you're connected

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to Kevin Bacon in just two moves. Yeah, okay, I want to

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hear this. I want to hear
this. Still, I hadn't do this.

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So I was in Andersonville with William
H. Macy, who was in

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Murder in the first with Kevin Bacon. He wasn't Murder in the first?

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Okay, whoa two moves for David
Burns to Kevin Bacon. Hold on,

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I was in something with with you? You were? That puts me at

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three, So you can connect yourself
in three. I'm gonna start bragging about

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that. He should as I should. Right, Well, I'll tell you

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what we uh. Speaking of Kevin
Bacon, I found what I what I

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have to call a hidden gym recently, and I want to do an episode

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about it. So let's let's talk
about a film by Jeff his nineteen eighty

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seven camping thriller Whitewater Summer. Hello
everyone, I'm Jeff Johnson, I'm David

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Byurns, and this is a film
by podcast Dave. Let's just get this

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out in the open a little.
We were in a little bit of a

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bind this recently. Here. We
were meticulous. We plan our schedule months

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in advance. We actually have the
entire lineup done for the rainder of the

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year. But what I can't count
on is people are gonna take vacations,

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right and how dare they? It
just so happened the entire team took vacation

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at the exact same time, same
time. So I told you. I

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was like, look, we got
to find something fast. I was on

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Tube. I was on the two
b app and I love the two b

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app. Do you do you use
it? Oh? Absolutely. There's all

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kinds of movies you can find on
I love what they recommend. And this

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is the situation. They recommended this
movie, this nineteen eighty seven Kevin Bacon

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movie that I had never even heard
of. Ye, So I called you

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up. I was like, you
know what, just let's just have a

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good time. Let's just talk about
this movie. There's not a whole lot

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when you talk background information and even
information on this director, there is not

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a whole lot to talk about it
at all. But I definitely want to

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talk about this film. Yeah,
sure, of course, because I didn't

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even talked to a couple of people
movie buffs like you and I that were

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like, wait, there's a Kevin
Bacon movie in the eighties that I haven't

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seen. I mean, we're talking
Kevin Bacon and Dave. Here's my question

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to you. Yeah, if I
say nineteen eighties film starring Kevin Bacon that

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has camping violence, a misunderstood villain
wearing a cable in that sweater, what

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comes to mind? Of course,
Friday the thirteenth, as it should.

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Friday the thirteenth should be your first
thing. Yep, that comes to mind.

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But Whitewater Summer actually classifies as well. Do you want to tell the

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listeners what Whitewater Summer is all about? Because I know there's a bunch of

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them that probably have not seen this
like we did. Yeah, absolutely would

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love to. The strong don't give
up, the tough, don't give in,

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and the cool don't give a damn
vic An experienced Wolderness guide takes a

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young boy named Alan and three other
boys deep into the woodenness on their first

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backpacking trip to learn valuable life lessons
and experiences. Vic is very hard of

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the boys, pushing them to their
breaking point and beyond eventually where they want

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nothing to do with him anymore and
just want to go home. That is,

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until something happens that forces them to
band together and help the one person

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that has done nothing but isolate them. Their guide. Vic. Kevin Bacon

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playing a villain. We've seen it, you know, the River Wild,

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Right, of course, that's the
first thing I went to when I started

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watching. It was like, oh, this come reminds me of the River

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Wild, hollow Man. He played
a great villain. Yep. But Kevin

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Bacon playing a villain in the eighties, it doesn't register to me. It

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doesn't. It feels weird. It
does in this film, and I want

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to like him. Yeah, and
you do it first. I'm gonna be

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hot. Take here. I'm kind
of I'm team Bacon for do most of

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this. I am too. He's
teaching. He's teaching Sean Aston a valuable

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lesson. I think he is.
And here's the funny thing is, I

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hadn't seen this movie in a really
long time, Jeff, I'm gonna probably

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say him when it came out in
the eighties, it is probably when I

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saw it last huh. At that
time, like, I remember hating Kevin

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Bacon's character Vic, but then watching
it now as an adult, I'm like,

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oh, wait a minute, I
kind of side with Vick here.

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Yeah. See, I wasn't the
fourteen year old twelve year old Sean Aston

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and his buddies when I saw this
for the first time, I probably would

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have thought, you know, Vic
is a dick, right, But watching

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it as an adult, I'm like, hey, you brats, Like,

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listen to Kevin Bacon. He's trying
to teach you a valuable lesson. Yeah,

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I mean, think about this,
Kevin Bacon. He teaches them fire

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building, astronomy, canoeing, fishing, climbing, climbing, whitewater rafting.

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Yeah, these are valuable life lessons. This is the These kids don't know

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how good they got it, exactly. That's the way I saw it too.

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They don't know how good they have
it. Maybe Kevin Bacon goes a

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little too far once or once or
four times six. There definitely is a

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turning point in this movie where It's
like, Okay, you've crossed a line

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because I see nothing but lawsuit here. Well okay, okay, but here's

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the thing. And this was the
first time again. I saw this for

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the very first time a few days
ago, and my immediately, my my,

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what the hell's going on here?
Alarm goes off because Kevin Bacon looks

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like he has just left the wilderness. He's in New York on the streets.

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He's got his big he's got his
pack on, he's got his cable

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net, his his Betsy Palmer Cablenit
sweater on, you know, Pamela Voorhees

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style. David might have believed that
it was this. I don't remember this

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thing being a thing in the eighties. But he basically shows up at Sean

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Aston's parents house with a slide show
to like sell them, yeah, to

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give a presentation. He's giving a
presentation on why why you should give me

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your child and we should go to
the Sierra Nevada Mountains. Right. I

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was kind of confused by that,
actually, Jeff, I think, really

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this is happening and the parents are
falling for this. Well yeah, well

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mo, and mom has that moment
where she's like, well, what if

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one of the kids gets hurt or
sick? And Kevin Bacon's reply was,

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and that's why I'm here, That's
why i'm here. Oh and she goes,

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oh, well never mind, we're
good. Yeah, and me and

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my dad's like, get this kid
out of the house. Like, but

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I would think that they would.
I get it. This is this is

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nineteen eighty seven. There's no Internet, but I would think that they would.

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There'd be like a center or a
business where you go or you call

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this kind of thing, yeah you
yeah, is there? You know?

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Is Kevin Bacon with the better business
bureau? I don't know what I wouldn't

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it was what Alan did that the
father wanted to get him out of the

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house so bad. Oh. I
know. My question to you, just

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based on Kevin Bacon's appearance, if
you had to choose, is this a

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situation where his character Jack actually survived
Friday Friday the thirteenth and has made a

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business, a lucrative business for himself, or because we're already in New York,

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is this Kevin Bacon's character Jack from
Quicksilver He couldn't make it as a

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bike messenger and just decides, you
know what, I'll just take some kids

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into the woods and teach them stuff. I like that scenario a little bit

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better Silver, because I mean the
arrow through the throat. I don't think

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he's gonna survive. Probably not well. I was just thinking that, you

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know, alternate reality style, like
Kevin Kevin Bacon's Jack character survived. But

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maybe it's Kevin Bacon's Jack character from
Quicksilver. Yeah, switches gears, no

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pun intended. I like that.
We'll play in that, you know,

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right, I like that. Yeah. Obviously his middle name is Vic.

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Of course it was my Vic.
Yeah. So Sean Aston, he plays

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Alan Block. This is the main
kid. Yeah, he's the main character.

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This is this is okay. So
they filmed this movie in Is in

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nineteen eighty five, behind of the
heels of Goonies. Yeah, he's right

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off. He's walking off of Dick
Donner's set from the Goonies right into the

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wilderness with Kevin Bacon Yip for this. My understanding is that the production company

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went bankrupt. Yeah, there's a
lot of problems with this film. It

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seems like, yeah, like even
he go back and do reshoots and then

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it got a delay and it was
a mess, and then we and that

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leads to the strange Sean Aston narrator
clips I heard that, and we're going

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to talk about Yes, we are
going to talk about Okay, we're put

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a pin in that. Put a
pin in that for sure, because he's

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he's significant. You can tell he's
significantly older in the narration hips all right.

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But I really loved his character in
this. You know, I did

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too. Actually, I felt like
I was Hilm at times, you know,

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especially when you know he's with the
radio and he just wants to listen

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to the game. And then and
I get both sides here. You know,

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You've got a kid who doesn't has
never really had the wilderness thing going

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on and experienced because he's a city
kid, right yeah, And then he

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wants to listen to the game.
And then you have Vic who's trying to

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get them to experience the wilderness with
no interruptions from the outside world and gets

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into it with Alan obviously with the
radio. But I see both sides.

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But I felt like I could be
Alan, I really do. Yeah.

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I I connected with Alan more more
than I thought I would, Oh yeah,

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because I was connecting with Bacon quite
a bit. Absolutely. Now,

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I love what Sean Asten's doing here
in the story. But okay, let's

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just let's just let's just broach the
subject. Sean Aston at seventeen years old,

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like now, he's like, you
know, two years later and they

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they go back and they shoot these
these narration scenes where we're pulled, We're

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pulled out of the store, out
of the movie. You're breaking the fourth

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wall here, they're breaking the fourth
wall. Seawan Aston is talking to us.

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He's significantly a couple of years older. He's got he's he's got the

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mullet, he's got the Hawaiian shirt, he's got this Fairest Bueller. He's

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trying to do a Ferris Bueller vibe. It is definitely Fairis Bueller's with the

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ripping off here, without question,
and it doesn't work for me, not

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at all. I can't stand it. I'm glad you brought that up,

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because that is my biggest dislike of
this film. I know we talk about

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likes and dislike a little bit later, but I'm let's go ahead and talk

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about it. Yeah, I hated
this so much and it pulled me out

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of the film for numerous things.
One Jonathan clearly a whole lot older,

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which okay, I'll give you a
little bit there because maybe he's talking about

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it. You know, it happened
in the past. Of course he would

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be older. Sure, But the
fact that they're trying to rip off Ferris

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Bueller here. I hated every bit
of it. Yep. And it takes

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the element of surprise at the ending
of the movie out of it because you

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already know he's safe. Yeah.
That's because because Kevin Bacon, whether it's

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Inadverton or on purpose, he puts
Sean Aston's character in several very dangerous situations.

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Absolutely he does. And the whole
time I'm watching the movie, I'm

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like, well, I know he's
fine. Yeah, he's very fun,

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you know, unless this is like
the of Sean Aston. That's but but

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you you clearly you get that it's
not. And I just I hate how

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smug he is. You know,
we open he's he's in the hammock and

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he's like he has that line about
you know by seventeen you you know,

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everyone has three guiding principles in life, you know, sexual, ethical,

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and optional, and becomes options.
I don't like camping, and I'm like,

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we're opening with that. Yeah,
I didn't, you know, at

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that point, I was like,
I was like, I don't know if

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this I might be slamming this movie. I mean, I love the movie,

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but this but it holds you out
of the film, takes you.

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Every time it breaks to that,
you're like, here we go again.

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It's an interruption that that is unwelcome. Yeah, And to your point,

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I immediately have no tension. No, I don't worry about his character and

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all these dangerous moments. Fine,
there's no threat at all to that character.

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That was a bad decision. And
you know what happened. You know,

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they shot this in nineteen eighty five. They're trying to get more money

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together. Someone, some exec on
Coke sees Ferris Bueller and says, can

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we make him more like that?
Exactly? It's too late, So let's

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just right, let's just cram these
narration scenes in, yeah, to make

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it work. And thankfully there's only
a handful of them there is. Yeah,

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you know you got that going for
it. Rest of this cat the

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other kids, Jonathan Ward playing Mitch, who I don't recognize from anything.

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Nope, Actually he was in a
terrible movie that I think. Jimmy Fallon

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always makes fun of Mac and me
he was. Was he the kid in

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magot Me? I don't know if
he was the kid, he might have

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been the brother or something. I
do know he was in Mac and Me.

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We should have been saying saying that
title is like saying Beatlejuice three times.

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I'm always scared when we I think
that's maybe the second or third time

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where it's ever been brought up on
our show. I'm always worried that someone's

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gonna take us up on that,
on that Patreon situation where they can they

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can pay to make us cover something, and they're gonna they're gonna say that,

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let's not do that, people,
please. Uh yeah. So Jonathan

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Ward is in there, he's you
know, he's younger. He's like,

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he's like the one that Sean Asten
is gonna connect with more. The two

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older kids. You got Matt Adler
playing Chris. I recognized him. He

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was. He was like the shy
kid in teen Wolf. He was the

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he was the dick in Dream a
Little Dream that was up against uh,

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Ricky Butler, Yeah, Ricky Butler, not Ricky Butler, Yeah, Corey.

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Good lord, what's the matter with
us? What's wrong with Jesus?

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Good? Jesus He also played Jeff
and Flight of Navigator. He became the

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grown up brother. Oh that's right, yeah, with recovered in nineteen eighty

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six. Yeah, that's right.
That's where that's where I recognize him morning.

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Oh Yeah, that's where immediately recognized
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then rounding out the group, Casey
Martell plays George. You'll remember him.

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I know you guys, I know
you guys are gonna cover this in uh

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in October, he plays one of
the kids, one of the Leuts children.

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He plays Greg. Yeah, he
plays Greg. Yeah. A couple

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of years later he plays a character
again named Greg in at He's moving up

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in the world though here now he's
now he's playing George. He's he's working

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through those g names exactly. I
like this kid, and I maybe I'm

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remembering this differently. I almost feel
like he was one of Kirk Cameron's buddies

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on could be maybe what was that
show? That's my little goosh man.

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You know I'm talking about, you
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Yeah, I think you're right he
was. Yeah. I liked him in

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this though. Yeah, I just
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All three of them can can can
I talk about another just like,

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Okay, yeah, let's let's let's
do it. So there are really two

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characters in this movie who I feel
like actually have a story arc to them,

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because Allen's the main character. I
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George, and Chris feel very cardboardish
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like there's any story arc to them
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a generic character place there just to
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I don't feel like I get anything
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But it still really wasn't enough character
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I agree with you, but I
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But I'm gonna defend the writers here. We gotta focus, we gotta

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say focused on Vic. Yeah,
and we gotta stay focused on Alan.

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And the other characters are just they're
buffer, they are you know, we

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they're there so that you know,
because obviously Kevin Bacon is not gonna show

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up at your house and go let
me, let me take your child on

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a weekend getaway into the Yeah,
there has to be other children involved,

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and yeah, there they could be
their their performance there there there's not a

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lot of character development. They're they're
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I feel like they did a good
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like he did a good I feel
like there's a good job of capturing what

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being a teenage boy is like and
at alpha male. Yeah, that dominance

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factor that happens when a grown up's
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I'll give them credit to that.
And that's I mean, that's pretty much.

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That's the only people I really want
to talk about. I mean we

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you know, the parents are blinking
you miss them? Yeah, only one

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single character in this and that's the
mom, and she's barely in the film

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at all. Yeah, Caroline McWilliams
didn't recognize her either. I think that

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was a good moment to get let's
spend a little bit of money, gets

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someone that we recognize, you know
what, Joyce doy Wit hanging around,

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I'm sure she was at that time. Yeah, company over by the I

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think maybe, yeah, I'll let
her play the mom. Let's move on,

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you know, I want to talk. There's a couple crew people I

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want to talk about. I definitely
want to talk about Michael Bottaker. I'm

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gonna do this because Wayne, Wayne, our buddy Wayne White, has been

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doing this awesome thing, these little
scoring sessions. We bring him in.

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He tells you all about the composer
does a fantastic job, an absolutely fantastic

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job. But I didn't want to
trouble Wayne for this movie because let's let's

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be honest, it's nothing to write
home about as far as less score goes.

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And there's a reason for that,
which I'll get to. But Michael

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Botacker, he's only like he did
this. He did Milo and Otis Okay,

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that cat movie, and then and
then he does The Adventures of Bucker

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Rob Bonds across the Eighth Dimension.
Now, think about how weird that that

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score is. I'm gonna tell you
something. There's a reason why Botiker does

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not have a long list of compositions. Why well, if you need a

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synthesizer, he's your man. Yeah, Dave, I'm gonna give you this

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list. This is Michael Botaker helping
out composers doing synthesizer work. Oh okay,

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listen to this hit list and you'll
know that if you want a keyboard

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or a synthesizer in your score.
This is the guy you talk to.

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All right, hold your applause until
I've listed all the all the films here,

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The nineteen seventy six King Kong,
Saturday Night, Fever, Jaws Two,

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Foul Play, The China Syndrome,
Apocalypse, Now Moonraker, Footloose,

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Revenge of the Nerds, Red Dawn, The Goonies, Back to the Future,

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Real Genius, Teen Wolf, Commando, Enemy Mine, Pretty in Pink,

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Quicksilver, Gung Ho Police Academy Three, Back in Training, The Karate

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Kid Part Two, The Fly,
Night of the Creeps, Little Shop of

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Horse Three, Men in a Baby, Cocktail Twins, Major League, Dead,

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Poet Society, The Hunt for Red
October, Pretty Woman, Ghost,

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The Nutty Professor, and Armageddon are
just a few of his three hundred plus

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credits. Damn, Okay, that's
impressive. So I mean I look over,

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like, you know, I got
like fifteen hundred blu rays sitting on

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my shelf, and he's probably done
a lot of I think he's I think

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there's maybe six that he's not in. Yeah, and a lot of those

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tough withs I recognize we've covered,
we've covered, Yeah, we've covered on

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I mean, I went to a
block of a film at forty five Films

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that, yeah, you and Scott
have already talked about. I did.

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There's a big chunk of nineteeny six
stuff there, sure is, Yeah,

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and quick Silver popping its head again
there, yeah, you know, and

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this is one of those things yeah, Quicksilver again. No, this is

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one of those things though where I
was like, you know, there's not

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a lot to report on this film. So I just started to get like,

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well, who is Michael Boddock because
I had his name it in register

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And then I went down the rabbit
hole and I was like, this is

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impressive. That was a pretty impressive
rabbit hole. I just wanted, yeah,

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I wanted to call out Michael Botaker, especially for the listeners who now

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because like when I read this list, I was like, you know what,

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now I got there's a bunch of
these movies I want to I want

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to watch again just to listen to
the score, and now I want to

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see like, well, is there
is there? Am I going to recognize

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similar notes between pretty and Pink and
say Commando, you know there's two connections

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you don't typically would hear exactly but
you know, there's some bar trivia for

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you, you know, as Amber
Lewis likes to say, next time you're

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you know, hey, what's the
what's the connection between pretty and pink and

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Commando? He must be talking about
Michael BOTOCKA of course, right, yeah,

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I do have to also call out, and I apologize because I don't

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the name's not coming to me right
now. But this is some impressive cinematography.

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Oh you're talking about John out Cock. Why is it John? Okay?

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Why is that? Names? South
familiar tongue for one thing. John

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Alcott is a a was a good
friend of Stanley Kubrick, but he also

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worked on quite a few projects with
Stanley Kubrick as a cinematographer. He would

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work on two thousand and one,
Barry Lyndon at Clockwork, Orange and of

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course The Shining. He would also
do Gray Stroke. He would also do

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Terror Train and Jeff one of my
personal favorite films from the eighties. That's

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the beast Master. Oh, this
guy is the beast mest he did.

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He was a cinematographer on that,
So quite a laundry list there in himself.

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Okay, yeah, that's John Alcott. Yeah, now that you know,

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watching Whitewater Summer and the shining Now
I'm seeing like I'm seeing shots in

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my mind, like yeah, okay, those are very similar, but in

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a good way. Yeah. Absolutely. All right, Well, before we

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before we keep going, let's let's
take a quick break, and when we

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get back, there's there's a couple
of scenes I definitely want to talk to

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you about, sure and get your
get your opinion on. So welcome back.

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We are discussing the Kevin Bacon thriller
from nineteen eighty seven, white Water

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Summer, my understanding, Dave.
Originally the title was Rights of Summer,

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Rights of Summer. Yeah, I
think that sounds better. Rights of Summer

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sounds better, I think so.
Yeah, white Water Summer just doesn't roll

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off the tongue very well, does
it. Well, it's not that it

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white Water Summer. Like if here's
what here's here's my problem with the title.

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I'm watching I'm gonna I'm gonna,
I'm gonna do a i'm gonna binge

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watch, I'm gonna do a little
fun movie marathon from the eighties. Okay,

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I'm gonna watch Hard Bodies. Yeah, I'm gonna watch Hot Dog the

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movie of course, and I'm gonna
watch White Water Summer. White Water Summer

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sounds like a teen sex comedy.
It does exactly tell what it sounds like

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this. I get it. They
there's a white there's a pretty intense canoe

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scene on the rapids, and then
there's the obviously there's the rescue scene.

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I'll put the climactic climactic one where
they're on they hit a couple of class

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well, they hit several Class five
rapids, So I get that, but

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it just doesn't feel that it is
called that. No, this is yeah,

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this is more like a survival type
of film. Yeah, So I

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agree, And I mean, isn't
that why the kids are out there,

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and that's why Vick is trying to
teach them like the rights of you know?

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So I get it. Yeah,
Like like Sean Aston's dad, he

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even makes the comment he's like,
oh, so you really make it make

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men out of these boys, you
know, when he's selling them on the

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on the slide show. So I
feel like it Rights This Summer makes a

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lot more sense to me. I
don't know why they changed it, but

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again that was whoever whoever said,
hey, can you put can you put

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grown up Sean Aston in a Hawaiian
shirt and make you mact like a jackass.

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Please. No, that's the guy
that said right Whitewater Summer. Oh,

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it probably is same guy, same
guy. It just don't know.

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It just sounds it sounds more teen
sex comedy than it does like survival thriller.

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Here's here's a really weird tidbit too, Jeff. So, apparently this

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was like a fifty day shoot for
this film, and apparently I guess it

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kept getting delayed and they didn't begin
filming until mid September. Okay, So

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if you're dealing with the mountains and
you're already in mid September, you're going

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to turn into a lot of bad
weather coming up. So there's a reason

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why some of the film was shot
in New Zealand. Apparently because New zeal

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Some of it they did because of
the weather. They didn't have a choice.

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They had to go there, I
guess for some of the mountain stuff,

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because they were filming so late into
the year that winter was approaching and

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they couldn't do anything about it.
So if you've noticed in some of those

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scenes that they're filming in September in
October, you can see it looks cold

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you can't even tell the actors are
cold. There's a couple of seats like

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he is shivering. Yeah. Sometimes
I was like, you know, it's

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august. I get that it might
maybe drops a little bit. But now

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that makes perfect sense. I can't
fake that. No, you can't fake

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you can't fake foggy breath in ninety
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No, not at all. Very
interesting. Real quick before before we talk

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about some some of some of these
scenes. Back to the music. I

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gotta, I gotta, I gotta
give credit to this film because where it

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lacks a very dramatic cinematic score,
which would have been fantastic. Think about

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that climactic canoe trip. There's no
music, No, there isn't You're just

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getting sound effects. No, yeah, no dialogue, no music, It's

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just natural sounds and then going and
I get that maybe Jeff Blackener is wanting

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to put you there in the moment. And I'll tell you right now,

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I've I've had the the the good
fortune to be on a couple of white

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water rafting trips where we hit class
fives. That's some of the scariest ship

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you will ever do in my life. I can imagine and the fact that

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Kevin Bacon is doing it with a
compound fracture. Yeah, and he just

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kind of sprawled through the canoe like
he's Burt Reynolds in The Deliverance, Right,

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dude, I couldn't imagine a more
terrifying thing, especially that shot.

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I know I'm getting way off track
here, but that shot I got before

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we forget where they hit that,
that little bump and Sean Aston goes just

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it's like he's someone flying out of
it. Good thing he had a helmet

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on, because you are dead situation. Yep. But alas I getting back

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to the music, I think one
thing that this movie does really well is

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it packs the movie full of really
good songs. And we've got some good

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talent here. I mean, and
you know, you you watch the movie

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and you you automatically recognize it.
It's you know, Bruce Hornsby, and

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the range is in there, Journey's
in there, There's a Cure. There's

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a cult song, which I know
a lot of people aren't big on the

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Cult, but I've been ever since
the show You Can't Be Serious podcast just

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did that episode on the Cult,
I've kind of kind of a rediscovered and

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their discography, so, but some
some really good music in this there is

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honestly, even the one I had
to look her up because I didn't recognize.

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It's a great voice, but I
didn't recognize I didn't recognize the voice.

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But that song Paradise that plays in
the middle of the movie, performed

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by Kaylee Adams, I don't you
know. I'm gonna have to go back

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and look and and see what else
she's done. But there's just some really

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good music. They did have a
lot of good song choices for this film.

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I won't argue that at all.
Well. Yeah, and even like

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00:28:27.279 --> 00:28:30.279
like the montage moments and the fun
moments where they're hiking through the mountains,

405
00:28:32.039 --> 00:28:36.640
you get these these these these these
eighties rock songs that feel like they're right

406
00:28:36.640 --> 00:28:40.359
out of a juicy fruit commercial.
Right, Yeah, it's feel good.

407
00:28:40.440 --> 00:28:41.519
It's feel good rock. It is. Yeah, I think that's what I'd

408
00:28:41.519 --> 00:28:45.359
like to call it rock. That's
a good point. I loved it though.

409
00:28:45.119 --> 00:28:48.319
That's a situation where it's not packed. This isn't like a blockbuster soundtrack.

410
00:28:48.319 --> 00:28:52.839
It's just I like it. And
you know how, some some songs

411
00:28:52.839 --> 00:28:56.640
can pull you out of the film. These did not. They fit perfectly.

412
00:28:56.920 --> 00:29:00.240
If you told me that they had
contacted these artists and ask them to

413
00:29:00.240 --> 00:29:03.839
write the songs for the movie,
I believe it. I would. Yeah.

414
00:29:06.440 --> 00:29:11.200
What I don't believe are some of
these dangerous moments in the film.

415
00:29:11.359 --> 00:29:14.839
Yeah. Can we talk about the
rope bridge, the Temple of Doom bridge?

416
00:29:15.160 --> 00:29:17.440
Are you referring? Did you look
at my notes? Because I have

417
00:29:18.240 --> 00:29:22.559
I have worse than the bridge in
the Temple of Doom. Dave this thing.

418
00:29:22.440 --> 00:29:26.839
It's basically a bunch of petrified two
by six is roped together. Yeah,

419
00:29:26.839 --> 00:29:29.799
pretty creepy, pretty scary. Credit
to Kevin Bacon because I want to

420
00:29:29.799 --> 00:29:33.359
defend him as much as possible.
Yeah, he tells the boys, He's

421
00:29:33.400 --> 00:29:37.519
like, hey, no screwing around
out here. He shows them like if

422
00:29:37.559 --> 00:29:40.799
the if the bridge starts to wabble
flex out here's how you stop it.

423
00:29:40.839 --> 00:29:42.720
And yep. So he's doing a
good job of teaching. I feel like

424
00:29:42.880 --> 00:29:48.839
Kevin Bacon that the teaching was the
instructor a plus to a certain point.

425
00:29:48.359 --> 00:29:52.640
Okay, to a certain point.
We're gonna get to the lawsuit moment and

426
00:29:52.680 --> 00:29:59.440
a little bit. Okay, So
this bridge, though, I remember,

427
00:30:00.559 --> 00:30:03.240
I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna take
you into the way back machine here,

428
00:30:03.359 --> 00:30:04.359
okay, because we kind of we
grew up in the same area, and

429
00:30:04.440 --> 00:30:07.759
I hope you know what I'm talking
about here. I remember going to camp.

430
00:30:08.119 --> 00:30:15.000
Oh yeah, I went to a
camp who place? Yeah? Okay,

431
00:30:15.359 --> 00:30:18.039
do you remember did you when you
went? Did you get to do

432
00:30:18.079 --> 00:30:19.720
the night hike? Yes? I
did? You had to go by yourself?

433
00:30:21.039 --> 00:30:22.400
Yes, down the trail, down
the trail. Yes. How about

434
00:30:22.400 --> 00:30:26.519
the Strawberry Bridge? The Strawberry Bridge
crossed this bridge? Yep. Okay,

435
00:30:26.519 --> 00:30:33.160
Now it was nothing, no,
nothing like that. Literally, listeners,

436
00:30:33.160 --> 00:30:37.720
if you have not seen Whitewater summer, but you have seen Indiana Jones and

437
00:30:37.799 --> 00:30:40.640
the Temple of Doom, just take
that bridge, but make it a little

438
00:30:40.640 --> 00:30:44.079
bit scarier, a little more rickety. Then you go a little more skinnier,

439
00:30:44.119 --> 00:30:48.640
you know. Uh. Yeah,
it's that. It's that. It's

440
00:30:48.640 --> 00:30:52.279
that test your metal, right,
it is. It's a it's a it's

441
00:30:52.319 --> 00:30:56.000
a it's a it's a confidence course
type of thing. You know, you

442
00:30:56.039 --> 00:31:00.720
can overcome your fear, you can
beat this thing. And you're so happy

443
00:31:00.720 --> 00:31:03.200
for these kids because like one by
one they're like, yeah, I made

444
00:31:03.240 --> 00:31:07.079
it. Yeah. And then there's
Alan and then there's Alan, poor Shawn

445
00:31:07.119 --> 00:31:14.319
Aston's carried you know, it's it's
funny. Here's one of the moments that

446
00:31:14.359 --> 00:31:19.920
I agree with Vic when Alan forgets
the tent poles yes on the other side

447
00:31:19.920 --> 00:31:22.839
of the bridge, and he has
to go back to get him, and

448
00:31:22.880 --> 00:31:26.799
of course he doesn't cross the bridge
and he comes back to so I couldn't

449
00:31:26.799 --> 00:31:32.200
find him. And then obviously Vic
drops the tent pole right there and just

450
00:31:32.240 --> 00:31:37.240
basically said you are a liar,
Alan, because I was watching you basically

451
00:31:37.319 --> 00:31:40.000
the whole time. Yeah, I
agree with Vic here, like you little

452
00:31:40.000 --> 00:31:42.799
brat, you are lying. Yeah, it's like listen, okay, and

453
00:31:44.119 --> 00:31:48.680
okay, to be fair to Alan, he gets halfway across, he does,

454
00:31:48.759 --> 00:31:52.480
he stumbles and almost falls and practically
falls off. He said, he's

455
00:31:52.519 --> 00:31:57.240
literally Vic literally leaves him hanging.
Literally. I mean we get that great

456
00:31:57.240 --> 00:32:01.319
shot of his his eyeglasses. Yeah, dropping hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of

457
00:32:01.920 --> 00:32:08.680
feet down to the gorge. At
that point, you know, you get

458
00:32:08.680 --> 00:32:12.799
back up, You're halfway there.
Just go yeah, just go, man,

459
00:32:12.799 --> 00:32:14.839
don't turn back or is it in
your in your head? Are you

460
00:32:14.880 --> 00:32:19.799
like safety is back Maybe I'm heading
I'm going backwards because I don't want to

461
00:32:19.880 --> 00:32:22.119
go. I don't want to go
another halfway and then do a fool again.

462
00:32:22.200 --> 00:32:24.039
But it's one of those moments.
I guess you got to think like

463
00:32:24.079 --> 00:32:28.039
a kid, Yeah, go backwards, go backwards. Yeah. But it's

464
00:32:28.039 --> 00:32:30.599
a good teaching moment for Vic because
it is he's it's it's it's a valid

465
00:32:30.920 --> 00:32:34.519
Yeah. You know, if you
were scared, that's fine. If you

466
00:32:34.559 --> 00:32:37.000
needed help, that's fine, but
don't be a liar exactly. And again

467
00:32:37.079 --> 00:32:39.119
Vic was trying to prove a point
here. You know, you forgot them.

468
00:32:39.240 --> 00:32:43.720
They were your responsibility, so it's
your responsibility to go back and get

469
00:32:43.759 --> 00:32:45.640
it. Yeah, and there's only
what half a mile out there and a

470
00:32:45.640 --> 00:32:49.240
half mile back. I think it's
like, hey, come on, man,

471
00:32:49.240 --> 00:32:51.319
it's only a half mile there and
a half mile back. Right,

472
00:32:51.720 --> 00:32:53.200
It's not a lot. But when
you're twelve, it's a lot when you're

473
00:32:53.200 --> 00:32:57.359
twelve. When you're twelve, that's
that's a lot. That's the day in

474
00:32:57.440 --> 00:32:59.319
Jim class that you're like, man, I don't want to go to gym

475
00:32:59.599 --> 00:33:02.559
when we're doing in the mile.
But is this is this the lawsuit moment

476
00:33:02.599 --> 00:33:07.759
for you? Or lawsuit? It
was the Devil's tooth Okay, we'll get

477
00:33:07.759 --> 00:33:09.960
the devil's tooth here in a second. Yeah, and we'll get the devil's

478
00:33:10.000 --> 00:33:15.599
tooth. But before we do that, another lesson. Mm hmm, never

479
00:33:15.759 --> 00:33:21.839
interrupt Kevin Bacon's morning Tai Chi.
Oh no with your radio, with your

480
00:33:21.960 --> 00:33:23.839
radio. Oh my gosh. No, And you knew it was coming.

481
00:33:23.960 --> 00:33:30.160
It was I thought we talked about
the radio. What was Allen's response?

482
00:33:30.480 --> 00:33:34.359
I didn't understand, or I guess
I didn't understand something like that. He

483
00:33:34.480 --> 00:33:38.359
has a hint smart ass, smart
ass because the great you know, we

484
00:33:38.400 --> 00:33:42.680
talked about character arcs and the great
thing about Alan he starts off as his

485
00:33:42.880 --> 00:33:49.640
shy, inexperienced, scared child who's
who slowly builds his courage, slowly builds

486
00:33:49.680 --> 00:33:52.440
his confidence because we got to remember
it. Towards the body end the movie,

487
00:33:52.480 --> 00:33:57.440
he's leading the team. Yeah he
is. But let's put a pin

488
00:33:57.480 --> 00:33:59.759
in that because I want to talk
about that. We'll get that then too.

489
00:33:59.799 --> 00:34:01.640
But uh, yeah, maybe maybe
we didn't need the smart ass.

490
00:34:02.039 --> 00:34:07.920
No, not right there especially,
I mean it kind of it kind of

491
00:34:07.079 --> 00:34:10.880
was almost out of character a little
bit. It was a little bit and

492
00:34:12.199 --> 00:34:19.280
uh and Kevin Bacon's reaction, which
I would say, was borderline serial killer?

493
00:34:19.920 --> 00:34:22.440
Like the look he gives him,
it was the River Wild moment right

494
00:34:22.480 --> 00:34:24.679
there, when you say, oh, that's it's the River Wild Kevin Bacon,

495
00:34:24.760 --> 00:34:28.519
but without the charm, without the
charm. Correct, Ye, it's

496
00:34:28.599 --> 00:34:32.480
the psycho River Wild Kevin Bacon.
Yeah, I get it. Listen,

497
00:34:32.679 --> 00:34:36.280
I have my mourning routine. You
have yours. Yeah, we do,

498
00:34:36.519 --> 00:34:37.679
we all do. And it It'd
be one thing if he was just if

499
00:34:37.679 --> 00:34:39.800
he had just got like a news
report, like because the first time he

500
00:34:39.800 --> 00:34:43.320
warns him about the radio, he's
listening to the Mets game. Yeah.

501
00:34:44.199 --> 00:34:49.079
And again, you know when you
tell a child to do something and the

502
00:34:49.239 --> 00:34:53.440
child counter get mixed a counter offer. Yeah, no, I'm the adult.

503
00:34:53.559 --> 00:34:58.280
You're you know, uh, go
to bed, just you know,

504
00:34:58.679 --> 00:35:00.480
ten more minutes. No, no, go to bed. So even when

505
00:35:00.519 --> 00:35:02.880
he's like, no, come on, Vic, it's the bottom. It's

506
00:35:02.880 --> 00:35:07.639
the top of the ninth with two
outs, and Vic's lake. No,

507
00:35:07.599 --> 00:35:10.480
we left that behind. Again another
moment, I agree with it. I

508
00:35:10.519 --> 00:35:14.119
agree with Vick. You're not out
here to listen to baseball games. You're

509
00:35:14.119 --> 00:35:17.199
out here for nature exactly. Yep. Yeah, Luckily there wouldn't be a

510
00:35:17.239 --> 00:35:21.639
third time with that radio. No, that radio met an end. Yeah,

511
00:35:21.679 --> 00:35:24.679
I mean well, and that was
with who was Matt? Yeah against

512
00:35:24.679 --> 00:35:34.000
the tree. But moving on though, how about the fish cleaning punishment?

513
00:35:34.559 --> 00:35:37.559
That was rough to watch. I
felt really bad for Alan here, and

514
00:35:37.639 --> 00:35:42.920
obviously some of the boys did too, and leading him out there overnight.

515
00:35:43.920 --> 00:35:45.840
It was up to him because he
had to clean it and he could come

516
00:35:45.920 --> 00:35:49.360
right back again. This is you
know, you're not getting up from the

517
00:35:49.400 --> 00:35:52.159
table until you clean your plate,
and you'll sit there all night. I

518
00:35:52.440 --> 00:35:55.519
remember hearing being told that. Oh
yeah, I remember too. You know,

519
00:35:55.800 --> 00:36:00.800
Alan chose to be defiant. Yeah, I'm I'm not cleaning the fish.

520
00:36:00.440 --> 00:36:04.800
But here's the thing. Here's the
thing right here, Jeff, I

521
00:36:04.960 --> 00:36:09.119
agree to an extent on both sides
here. One, Alan was really intelligent

522
00:36:09.199 --> 00:36:15.119
and created a trap for the fish
and caught the fish without using fishing poles,

523
00:36:15.159 --> 00:36:19.239
without really cheating. In my opinion, he was very intelligent. But

524
00:36:19.400 --> 00:36:22.000
then you have Vic who is wanting
to teach him. No, this is

525
00:36:22.079 --> 00:36:24.679
you gotta do it my way.
Okay, you know, I see both

526
00:36:24.760 --> 00:36:29.320
sides here, but I don't see
going to the extreme that vict did here,

527
00:36:29.400 --> 00:36:32.239
because uh, he still caught the
fish. Man. He still did

528
00:36:32.320 --> 00:36:37.599
his part, Okay, let him
go. You're okay, you're your team

529
00:36:37.719 --> 00:36:40.199
Alan here, I'm gonna be team
Vic. Okay, because Vic does point

530
00:36:40.239 --> 00:36:44.280
out he's like, Alan, you
are He even tell as he's chastising him,

531
00:36:44.280 --> 00:36:47.239
he tells him you are such an
intelligent kid. Is you really let

532
00:36:47.320 --> 00:36:51.519
me down here? And I was
like, all right, go ahead,

533
00:36:51.559 --> 00:36:54.119
Bacon. I'm I'm laying this plane. I want to see where you're going

534
00:36:54.199 --> 00:36:59.880
with this. And Kevin Bacon's character
Vic is he's trying to teach them the

535
00:37:00.079 --> 00:37:04.239
ways that the Native Americans we're going
through this land, you know, that's

536
00:37:04.280 --> 00:37:07.800
why it's all about astronomy, even
like he has like he's using Native American

537
00:37:07.840 --> 00:37:12.159
astronomy. When Alan tries to correct
him, he's like it's O'Ryan and he's

538
00:37:12.199 --> 00:37:15.159
like, yes, that's what we're
going further back, but we're not that.

539
00:37:15.280 --> 00:37:19.599
We're not talking about that group of
people. We're talking about this culture.

540
00:37:20.360 --> 00:37:24.719
So I understand like where Alan does
this amazing, uh, you know,

541
00:37:24.840 --> 00:37:30.559
this ingenious way of catching fish without
catching fish, But I also see

542
00:37:30.599 --> 00:37:32.119
vix point where it's it's a little
bit of a cheat. You know,

543
00:37:34.480 --> 00:37:37.159
we're here to catch fish, Like
the way that I'm trying to teach you,

544
00:37:37.599 --> 00:37:39.800
so you know, do it,
do it the way I showed you,

545
00:37:40.519 --> 00:37:44.760
you know, And I mean really, you know, you're you want

546
00:37:44.800 --> 00:37:46.000
to eat. Someone's gotta clean the
fish. You can't clean. You can't

547
00:37:46.000 --> 00:37:50.239
clean some fish. You know.
He even helped me, jammed his finger

548
00:37:50.320 --> 00:37:52.679
in there and he started with one. Yeah, first, one's already done,

549
00:37:52.679 --> 00:37:55.960
buddy, you know, there's three
more to go. You can do

550
00:37:57.039 --> 00:38:00.199
this, and even you know,
and you know, this seems important because

551
00:38:00.239 --> 00:38:04.960
we need the kids, the other
kids to start rallying with Alan, with

552
00:38:05.079 --> 00:38:07.320
Alan, and they're concerned for him. And but I love that moment where

553
00:38:07.360 --> 00:38:09.719
Kevin Bacon, you know, he's
sipping his coffe and he's just he had

554
00:38:09.760 --> 00:38:13.760
that smile. He's like, we'll
just wait for his signal. When he's

555
00:38:13.800 --> 00:38:16.199
ready, he'll come, you know. And then and then you have the

556
00:38:16.239 --> 00:38:21.679
whole thing of of VIC abandoning them, but just wanted to see how they're

557
00:38:21.679 --> 00:38:24.559
going to react and survive. I
guess technically, okay, now someone could

558
00:38:24.599 --> 00:38:30.159
say this is another lawsuit moment for
Vic's company. However, my and this

559
00:38:30.360 --> 00:38:35.800
isn't really is it really defending Vic
the right way? But my my contention

560
00:38:35.960 --> 00:38:38.960
is that he's probably just off camera. He's out in the woods kind of

561
00:38:39.039 --> 00:38:43.320
kind of like watching or he's watching
them, could be studying them. Yeah,

562
00:38:43.320 --> 00:38:47.199
because they're scared. They figure things
out, you know. I'm vic

563
00:38:47.320 --> 00:38:52.400
wasn't probably wasn't counting for a thunderstorm
and their shelters will be destroyed. Wait

564
00:38:52.440 --> 00:38:57.840
and have radios that couldn't listen they
have a radio exactly. But he's there

565
00:38:58.000 --> 00:39:00.280
the minute that they wake up in
the case and they're safe, he's right

566
00:39:00.320 --> 00:39:04.599
there with his poncho. Hey,
hey, guys, you passed the test.

567
00:39:05.000 --> 00:39:07.639
Yeah, you know. Now you're
ready for now you're ready for Devil's

568
00:39:07.639 --> 00:39:13.639
Tooth, right you are, which, let's just we gotta get well,

569
00:39:13.800 --> 00:39:19.280
we gotta talk Devil's tooth here.
Uh. I think this is terrifying for

570
00:39:19.360 --> 00:39:27.000
an experienced climber. Stuff they're doing
and wow, like hiking up of the

571
00:39:27.480 --> 00:39:34.320
of hiking up a mountain is one
thing. But I clearly believe Sean Aston

572
00:39:35.320 --> 00:39:38.800
is the expert climber in the Lord
of the Rings movies. He has samwise

573
00:39:39.239 --> 00:39:45.800
because of what Kevin Bacon taught him
in Water Summer and back to John Alcott.

574
00:39:45.960 --> 00:39:51.360
This is some of the most intense
cinematographer. I've seen this is not

575
00:39:51.480 --> 00:39:54.119
we don't have drones in eighty seven. No, we don't have background plates.

576
00:39:54.159 --> 00:39:58.320
I mean we do, but that's
big budget stuff. I feel like

577
00:39:58.639 --> 00:40:01.599
someone is right there on this edge. Oh yeah, just I mean I

578
00:40:01.679 --> 00:40:07.119
got a little It made you uneasy, just like the character tense. Yeah,

579
00:40:07.239 --> 00:40:09.400
it made you uneasy like the characters. Yeah, you know every when

580
00:40:09.400 --> 00:40:12.920
they're looking down and you know you're
seeing the edge of the cliff, but

581
00:40:12.960 --> 00:40:15.840
you see the whole drop off.
I mean I was getting that feeling like,

582
00:40:15.920 --> 00:40:20.320
oh crap, back up. Yeah, it is terrifying. And then

583
00:40:20.360 --> 00:40:23.320
we get this, this this great
moment. Uh you know I mentioned the

584
00:40:24.320 --> 00:40:30.760
the rickety bridge where he literally leaves
sean Aston hanging. Yeah, that would

585
00:40:30.800 --> 00:40:34.519
not be the only time we get
the ropes, the rope swing. That's

586
00:40:34.559 --> 00:40:37.079
brings us to the lawsuit moment.
That's yeah, I feel like that's a

587
00:40:37.119 --> 00:40:40.440
real lawsuit moment. It could be
I'm having I'm having a hard time defending

588
00:40:40.480 --> 00:40:44.159
Kevin Bacon on this one, and
that's I think this is the turning point.

589
00:40:44.480 --> 00:40:46.159
Would you agree? This is the
turn that the kids are against him.

590
00:40:46.320 --> 00:40:50.239
Yeah, this is the moment where
the kids rebel because at this point

591
00:40:50.280 --> 00:40:52.360
they're all like, you know,
they're even calling Allen like when he and

592
00:40:52.519 --> 00:40:55.320
his nickname like dick face or yeah, dick face. Yeah they're not,

593
00:40:55.400 --> 00:41:00.559
They're they're kind of against him for
most of the movie. Yep. But

594
00:41:00.679 --> 00:41:02.039
they become pro Allen here. Yeah, they're getting there. They're becoming pro

595
00:41:02.360 --> 00:41:07.119
well you might even say, like
the the uh, the bonding over a

596
00:41:07.199 --> 00:41:15.639
piss moment, which so strange.
Look, Dave, we both grew up

597
00:41:15.920 --> 00:41:21.039
with with our with our buddies,
and I never once took a group p

598
00:41:21.559 --> 00:41:24.079
No, never on a camping trip
or at a ball game or I was

599
00:41:24.119 --> 00:41:27.840
by myself at all times. Yeah, you go your way, I'll go

600
00:41:28.000 --> 00:41:32.360
my way exactly exactly. But you
know they're but Alan, you know,

601
00:41:32.440 --> 00:41:35.880
he kind of he does a little
self deprecation there. He's like, yeah,

602
00:41:35.880 --> 00:41:37.239
I'm Allan. They call me dick
face, you know. But this

603
00:41:37.480 --> 00:41:42.599
is the rally point where they're all
like, Vic, you're wrong. I

604
00:41:42.679 --> 00:41:45.280
mean this this rope swing. And
when we say when we say rope swing,

605
00:41:45.840 --> 00:41:49.199
just so our listeners understand what we're
talking about if they haven't watched this,

606
00:41:50.079 --> 00:41:52.840
there is a moment where they have
gone as high as they can go

607
00:41:52.320 --> 00:41:58.159
dangerously high as they can go.
There's nowhere else to go, and it's

608
00:41:58.239 --> 00:42:02.360
this uh tom cruise mission and possible
too momente where they basically have to launch

609
00:42:02.440 --> 00:42:07.679
themselves, kick off the mounting,
swing around like one hundred eighty degrees to

610
00:42:07.800 --> 00:42:13.400
the other side to catch the dangerously
tiny ledge where Kevin Bacon is waiting for

611
00:42:13.519 --> 00:42:15.119
them, right, yeah, because
he has to Kevin Babe. They has

612
00:42:15.159 --> 00:42:21.119
to climb up to create the smell. And these meanwhile, these kids are

613
00:42:21.199 --> 00:42:24.880
not in like hiking gear, and
they're just you know, they're in their

614
00:42:24.880 --> 00:42:30.599
corduroy pants and they're they're op shorts
and they're you know, they're gene shorts,

615
00:42:30.599 --> 00:42:34.239
and it's just like, yeah,
let's let's climb this mountain, which

616
00:42:34.280 --> 00:42:37.239
they're not mountain climbers mountain and they're
not this is their first time on a

617
00:42:37.280 --> 00:42:39.679
mountain. Yeah. So this movie, this part, I'm just it's so

618
00:42:39.800 --> 00:42:45.519
scary. But they're all swinging across
and they're all like, oh my god,

619
00:42:45.599 --> 00:42:47.880
that was amazing, and it's and
and I'm I'm again I'm team Baking

620
00:42:47.960 --> 00:42:52.639
because I'm like, he just gave
them an unforgettable thrill of a lifetime.

621
00:42:54.119 --> 00:43:00.280
Except except except Alan he didn't.
And did you notice he's very careful to

622
00:43:00.360 --> 00:43:04.159
tell every kid to put and strap
in. He didn't do it to Alan.

623
00:43:04.239 --> 00:43:06.639
He does not tell Alan. He
tells Alan jack Ship. He's like

624
00:43:06.760 --> 00:43:10.840
like, hey, and of course
he you know, he does not have

625
00:43:10.920 --> 00:43:16.480
a good a good launch, A
good launch, I should say, yeah.

626
00:43:16.920 --> 00:43:22.880
And now he's just dangling a couple
of miles up above a rocky gorge.

627
00:43:24.519 --> 00:43:30.800
You can do it, just like
you know, you know, can

628
00:43:30.880 --> 00:43:35.400
you grab an edge? He's like
you, I can't. Yeah. So

629
00:43:36.159 --> 00:43:39.800
here's where I have to say Kevin
Bacon was a little irresponsible because he tyes

630
00:43:39.840 --> 00:43:43.119
off and he's just say when when
Alan wants to join us, he'll join

631
00:43:43.199 --> 00:43:45.840
us and walks away, and he
walks away, he walks and will not

632
00:43:45.960 --> 00:43:49.159
let anybody else go back to help
him. Yeah. Well, because okay,

633
00:43:49.639 --> 00:43:53.239
back to uh, back to Matt
Adler, who plays Chris, who

634
00:43:53.519 --> 00:43:57.159
is kind of like a miniature Kevin
Bacon. Yeah, he's even got to

635
00:43:57.199 --> 00:44:00.599
have Kevin Macon haircut. He does, and he's clearly he's the oldest kid

636
00:44:00.960 --> 00:44:05.320
yea that he know. Bacon's like, do you have a problem with that?

637
00:44:05.840 --> 00:44:07.840
And I'm I'm I'm a big fan
of Matt Adler here because he's like,

638
00:44:07.920 --> 00:44:12.320
I do have a yeahood his ground, and the other you know,

639
00:44:13.199 --> 00:44:16.239
Mitch and George are like, okay, we'll follow him. Now he made

640
00:44:16.280 --> 00:44:21.039
the stand. Now we're now we're
all so it's a it's a great moment.

641
00:44:21.159 --> 00:44:25.199
But I'm so happy for Alan's character
that they didn't double back and help

642
00:44:25.280 --> 00:44:29.679
him. Yeah, he did it
on his Kevin Bacon didn't give in.

643
00:44:30.199 --> 00:44:32.559
Yeah, he finds a way.
And it's a great moment, maybe the

644
00:44:32.639 --> 00:44:38.199
best moment for Alan when it comes
to his his confidence. It is and

645
00:44:38.320 --> 00:44:42.400
I think this is gonna bring me
to the one I told you i'd put

646
00:44:42.400 --> 00:44:45.199
a pin in it that I wanted
to talk about. This is the character

647
00:44:45.239 --> 00:44:47.440
development that I'm talking about Alan,
And as we know, we're getting to

648
00:44:47.719 --> 00:44:51.599
talk about when Fit gets hurt yea, you know, they hit him with

649
00:44:51.599 --> 00:44:55.119
the rock and he falls off the
cliff and what breaks his his leg And

650
00:44:55.239 --> 00:45:00.920
then here we get Alan creates this
ingenius this idea of pulling him up,

651
00:45:01.199 --> 00:45:04.079
yeah, you know, to help
him. They're not going to leave him.

652
00:45:04.079 --> 00:45:07.039
We're back up. Must to like
the fish fish catching moment exactly,

653
00:45:07.199 --> 00:45:12.679
Yes, And there's a moment here
where Alan's coming through the rescue thing.

654
00:45:12.840 --> 00:45:14.760
You know, we've got to rescue
and we've got to take care of him.

655
00:45:14.800 --> 00:45:17.360
We've got to get him safety.
And and I forget which kid it

656
00:45:17.440 --> 00:45:22.719
told him says well he left you. And then and then Alan goes,

657
00:45:22.760 --> 00:45:25.679
well this is different. He's hurt. Yeah, you know. Right then

658
00:45:25.800 --> 00:45:30.679
and there with so much character development
that how much Alan had grown that quickly

659
00:45:30.800 --> 00:45:36.880
shows you that he actually did care
about you know, life and stuff like

660
00:45:36.960 --> 00:45:38.880
that. You are absolutely right.
This is a great moment and it's a

661
00:45:38.920 --> 00:45:44.760
good moment of growth for his character. Yep. A lot of kids in

662
00:45:44.880 --> 00:45:49.440
this moment would be like, let's
leave. Yeah, But the fact that

663
00:45:49.559 --> 00:45:52.760
he recognized, like I'm not vic, I'm not gonna leave him. I'm

664
00:45:52.800 --> 00:45:58.000
not gonna I am gonna help,
and he's gonna use his brain. He's

665
00:45:58.000 --> 00:46:01.119
gonna use this his ingenuity create this
this folk room in this pivot system,

666
00:46:02.039 --> 00:46:06.000
which I thought was pretty cool,
Like I bought it. Like it looked

667
00:46:06.039 --> 00:46:08.199
I was like, okay, because
they're using like if you if you take

668
00:46:08.199 --> 00:46:13.920
a close look at that, it's
it's like branches that they found and collected,

669
00:46:13.920 --> 00:46:16.360
its rope, it's it's pieces of
tent pole you know, to kind

670
00:46:16.400 --> 00:46:21.599
of because my first thought was you're
gonna cut through that rope if you're not

671
00:46:21.639 --> 00:46:24.719
careful as as he every time he's
slide, he's hoisted up. But if

672
00:46:24.760 --> 00:46:29.880
you notice, they use like the
metal the smooth tent poles to fall over

673
00:46:29.960 --> 00:46:34.480
it, so no danger of the
rope cutting. It was ingenius. Yeah,

674
00:46:34.760 --> 00:46:38.440
and it hats off to the stunt
crew here too, because seeing that,

675
00:46:38.760 --> 00:46:45.079
seeing Kevin Bacon's character take that fall, you know, we're like the

676
00:46:45.119 --> 00:46:47.960
POV where he's above us coming to
us and hitting on your laying on your

677
00:46:49.000 --> 00:46:52.199
back. Wow. Yeah, I
just and it just looked painful, like

678
00:46:52.599 --> 00:46:57.639
Bacon. Kevin Bacon sells this injury
as far as I'm concerned, absolutely,

679
00:46:58.920 --> 00:47:00.920
you know, obviously they got to
go for help. Alan says, hey,

680
00:47:00.920 --> 00:47:02.920
I'm going to stay with him.
Someone's got to stay with him.

681
00:47:05.320 --> 00:47:07.920
And then we get this climactic It
makes the decision that they got to go.

682
00:47:08.039 --> 00:47:10.239
He's bleeding, he's bleeding out,
he's gonna get wait. Yeah,

683
00:47:10.679 --> 00:47:14.719
and we get this climactic moment where, like we talked about earlier, there's

684
00:47:14.719 --> 00:47:16.360
no score, there's no you don't
need it, no music, you don't

685
00:47:16.360 --> 00:47:22.079
need it, just the natural fountains, absolutely, and I like I like

686
00:47:22.159 --> 00:47:24.360
the moment too between Vic and Alan
at the end, Yeah, let's talk

687
00:47:24.400 --> 00:47:29.320
about that where you know, I
guess he looks over and vicerus, you

688
00:47:29.440 --> 00:47:32.480
are the most stubborn and the most
stubborn son of them. And then and

689
00:47:32.559 --> 00:47:37.599
then what he say likewise, and
then they have that bonding moment. Finally

690
00:47:37.760 --> 00:47:40.599
they they I think they come to
terms with each other there they do you

691
00:47:40.679 --> 00:47:44.400
know, I think I think in
that moment that I would call that the

692
00:47:44.440 --> 00:47:49.880
pivotal moment I agreed, where they
they learn a little something from each other.

693
00:47:50.119 --> 00:47:54.320
There's there's a compromise here because Kevin
Bacon had and he's done this a

694
00:47:54.360 --> 00:47:58.159
couple of times in the movie where
he's super proud of their effort and their

695
00:47:58.159 --> 00:48:01.360
achievement and he's giving Seawan Aston's character
that and Shawn Astden's like, what is

696
00:48:01.400 --> 00:48:05.239
your problem? We failed? I
tried to get you down the river and

697
00:48:06.039 --> 00:48:08.000
we you know, we didn't make
it. And he's like, and that's

698
00:48:08.000 --> 00:48:10.119
when the you know, we get
this. You're such as you know,

699
00:48:10.800 --> 00:48:15.960
some of a bitch, like you're
so stubborn. Because the whole point was

700
00:48:16.000 --> 00:48:21.599
that he took the initiative he had
the courage, he had the he had

701
00:48:21.639 --> 00:48:25.039
the intestinal fortitude to get him loaded
into a canoe and at least try it.

702
00:48:25.360 --> 00:48:28.280
Right. They might not, they
didn't succeed, but they got They

703
00:48:28.519 --> 00:48:31.000
got damn close. And the whole
idea is like making the effort. I

704
00:48:31.039 --> 00:48:37.159
think Kevin Bacon's message with these kids, although he does, uh it's a

705
00:48:37.199 --> 00:48:43.079
little questionable at times. It's all
about taking the chance, making the effort.

706
00:48:43.280 --> 00:48:45.320
It's not about whether you win or
lose. It's it's that you played

707
00:48:45.360 --> 00:48:47.760
the game. Yeah, right,
you don't want something about it? Right?

708
00:48:49.039 --> 00:48:52.239
Yeah, Dave, let's take one
more break and uh, and then

709
00:48:52.280 --> 00:49:00.840
we'll we'll we'll start wrapping things up. Welcome back, Dave. This is

710
00:49:00.920 --> 00:49:06.719
a This is a point where I
always love to share a couple couple facts

711
00:49:06.719 --> 00:49:08.239
about the director. Yeah, I
don't know much about it. A quote,

712
00:49:09.239 --> 00:49:14.320
Well, I don't. I can't
tell you much. Here's the thing.

713
00:49:15.519 --> 00:49:21.000
This guy did one feature film,
this one and we're talking about it,

714
00:49:21.039 --> 00:49:23.159
white Water Summer. So what has
he done? Well? Okay,

715
00:49:23.320 --> 00:49:29.920
so he does have a pretty impressive
television career. Okay, he's won the

716
00:49:29.960 --> 00:49:35.320
Emmy several times. Uh, dating
back to a couple I'll just give you

717
00:49:35.320 --> 00:49:37.360
a couple of shows that our listeners
will be familiar with. You know.

718
00:49:37.599 --> 00:49:42.320
So he got to start I think
with Welcome Back Cotter. Okay, Remington

719
00:49:42.400 --> 00:49:45.599
Steele. Oh, and won the
Emmy. I mentioned the Emmys. Won

720
00:49:45.639 --> 00:49:49.960
a couple of them for Hill Street
Blues. Oh wow. Okay, did

721
00:49:50.079 --> 00:49:54.079
several TV movies. Two. I
really want to I want to hone in

722
00:49:54.159 --> 00:50:00.679
on here. Let's talk about in
nineteen ninety eight, he did a remake

723
00:50:00.199 --> 00:50:04.920
of Rear Window with Christopher Reeve.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I remember

724
00:50:04.960 --> 00:50:07.760
the remake. I have never seen
it, but I know, but I

725
00:50:07.840 --> 00:50:10.320
do remember it being done and I
didn't know he directed that. Yeah,

726
00:50:10.519 --> 00:50:14.880
let me let me tell you a
little bit about Rear Window. So,

727
00:50:15.039 --> 00:50:20.440
as you know, I'm a huge
fan of Hitchcock. Oh yeah, Rear

728
00:50:20.480 --> 00:50:24.320
Window being my favorite film. Yeah, as you know, I am a

729
00:50:24.440 --> 00:50:31.480
huge Superman film, with Christopher Reeve
being the best Superman in in my opinion.

730
00:50:31.639 --> 00:50:35.599
Agree with a lot of people's opinions, right, yep. So this

731
00:50:35.760 --> 00:50:42.599
is nineteen ninety eight. Sadly,
this is this is after his accident,

732
00:50:42.840 --> 00:50:46.800
Yeah, where he's paralyzed. And
what they do is they update the story

733
00:50:47.000 --> 00:50:52.239
so that it's not the guy who
has has a broken leg and is like

734
00:50:52.519 --> 00:50:57.239
kind of hold up in the South
his apartment for for six weeks. We're

735
00:50:57.280 --> 00:51:04.360
dealing with a character that's paralyzed using
Christopher situation. Christopher Reeve's you know,

736
00:51:04.519 --> 00:51:09.719
situation basically lends itself to that.
Darryl Hannah plays like the nurse that's checking

737
00:51:09.719 --> 00:51:14.159
on him. You got Robert Forrester
is like the detective who's trying to piece

738
00:51:14.199 --> 00:51:20.079
it all together. As far as
TV movies go, this one, this

739
00:51:20.199 --> 00:51:23.280
one was great. It really was. I'd have to believe it's probably available,

740
00:51:24.440 --> 00:51:29.760
if not streaming, I'm sure you
could probably buy this. But it's

741
00:51:29.800 --> 00:51:35.119
amazing though, because you know,
originally Christopher Reeve turned down turned down the

742
00:51:35.199 --> 00:51:40.679
role. You know, he wasn't
ready to use his his situation to in

743
00:51:40.960 --> 00:51:47.079
that manner. You know, they
kind of rewrote the screenplay using his autobiography.

744
00:51:47.599 --> 00:51:52.000
You remember the book he wrote called
Still Me. They put a lot

745
00:51:52.079 --> 00:51:55.920
of that into the character and that's
when he's like, Okay, well I'm

746
00:51:55.960 --> 00:52:00.519
on board now. So if you
haven't seen it, I would definitely,

747
00:52:01.440 --> 00:52:05.519
if you have the means, check
it out because it's one of those remakes

748
00:52:05.519 --> 00:52:09.119
where you can appreciate the original and
it doesn't. The remake doesn't stomp on

749
00:52:09.559 --> 00:52:14.519
anything that it did. And you
said he won an Emmy for this the

750
00:52:14.599 --> 00:52:16.280
director, Well, he didn't win
an Emmy for Rear Window, but he

751
00:52:16.360 --> 00:52:21.119
had. He did win several Emmys
for his television direction, stuff like Hill

752
00:52:21.119 --> 00:52:24.840
Street Blues. But yeah, please
check that out. Absolutely and there is.

753
00:52:24.880 --> 00:52:28.320
Okay, so let's talk about his
next project, because I do want

754
00:52:28.360 --> 00:52:30.159
to call this one out. I
haven't seen it yet. I don't know

755
00:52:30.159 --> 00:52:32.840
if you've seen it. What is
it? In two thousand, he does

756
00:52:32.920 --> 00:52:37.480
a two part mini series called The
Beach Boys, an American Family. No,

757
00:52:37.639 --> 00:52:42.039
I've not seen that. Okay,
I'm bringing it up because I'm actually

758
00:52:42.559 --> 00:52:46.679
I'm slowly being I'm becoming a bit
of a Beach Boys fan, or at

759
00:52:46.760 --> 00:52:52.639
least i'm I'm I'm finding a new
appreciation for the music. Our buddy the

760
00:52:52.719 --> 00:52:58.599
other, Dave Deaf Deaf Dave Deaf
Dave, does the Apples and Oranges podcast,

761
00:53:00.039 --> 00:53:04.159
which is this. Uh, they
do like a they cover the Beatles

762
00:53:04.360 --> 00:53:07.199
and the Beach Boys. Yeah,
and they kind of they kind of put

763
00:53:07.239 --> 00:53:09.079
them head to head, you know. So if you're if you're a Beatles

764
00:53:09.159 --> 00:53:13.920
fan, if you're a Beach Boys
fan. If you're a casual fan or

765
00:53:14.079 --> 00:53:17.440
like a diehard fan, definitely,
I'd say it's the podcast for you.

766
00:53:17.760 --> 00:53:22.199
Yeah, because I'm I'm a Beatles
guy. Yeah, but I never you

767
00:53:22.239 --> 00:53:24.360
know, I could name you like
two or three Beach Boys songs. Now

768
00:53:24.440 --> 00:53:30.400
I feel like i'd name you more
than two or three. I'm coming around

769
00:53:30.440 --> 00:53:32.000
at the Beach Boys, is what
I'm saying. Gotcha, But I was

770
00:53:32.079 --> 00:53:36.360
curious about about this mini series,
so I reached out to deaf Dave.

771
00:53:36.960 --> 00:53:40.320
Uh Here's what he has to say. He says Part one is fantastic.

772
00:53:42.159 --> 00:53:47.360
Part two is terribly inaccurate and is
heavily biased towards Mike Love's perspective, produced

773
00:53:47.400 --> 00:53:51.639
by Mike Love's buddy John stamos So. And he was one of the Beach

774
00:53:51.719 --> 00:53:53.880
Boys. Is one of the Beach
Boys right now, like ever since?

775
00:53:53.920 --> 00:53:58.639
Like what Cocomo, I think.
Yeah. Deaf Dave goes on to say

776
00:53:58.719 --> 00:54:01.639
Part two isn't flattering or fair to
Brian, and they had to change Van

777
00:54:01.719 --> 00:54:07.000
Dyke Park's name to something fictional to
avoid a lawsuit. Overall, I like

778
00:54:07.119 --> 00:54:10.320
it, even if parts of even
if parts of part two aggravate me.

779
00:54:12.079 --> 00:54:15.920
It's got excellent casting choice for Mike. They got the redhead guy who played

780
00:54:15.920 --> 00:54:20.400
the villain and Zoro best group bio
pick we have though, So so there

781
00:54:20.440 --> 00:54:22.079
you go. If you're if you're
a Beach Boys fan that never saw it.

782
00:54:23.039 --> 00:54:30.159
The authority on the Beach Boys Deaf
Dave our buddy Dave Wright uh says,

783
00:54:30.320 --> 00:54:32.000
uh, it's it's the best one
you got out there, so check

784
00:54:32.000 --> 00:54:37.519
it out, all right. Thanks. Other than that, Dave, Jeff

785
00:54:37.559 --> 00:54:42.920
Bleackner, he I'm kind of surprised
that he never did another feature. Honestly,

786
00:54:43.000 --> 00:54:45.960
maybe it was a bad experience for
this movie that he decided not to

787
00:54:45.039 --> 00:54:49.039
do any future. I guess if
you get hired and then the company goes

788
00:54:49.079 --> 00:54:53.199
bankrupt and could be a pickup shots
two years later, and maybe maybe.

789
00:54:54.280 --> 00:55:00.159
But I have to I have to
say I'd like to see Blackner do another

790
00:55:00.199 --> 00:55:04.840
feature. I think he's got you
especially and you know I say that scene

791
00:55:05.519 --> 00:55:08.159
having seen Rear Window. Yeah,
because this guy obviously has a flair for

792
00:55:08.280 --> 00:55:15.079
dramatic tension. As the Rear Window
story lends itself to great Whitewater Summer absolutely

793
00:55:15.159 --> 00:55:19.679
lends itself to it. Does I
recommend this one? It's it's currently streaming

794
00:55:19.840 --> 00:55:22.880
free on two B Yeah, and
this is one I wouldn't mind having my

795
00:55:22.920 --> 00:55:28.079
collection, especially if there was a
way to edit out the Shawn Haston narratives,

796
00:55:28.360 --> 00:55:30.239
the two year later things. Yeah, I could do without that,

797
00:55:30.280 --> 00:55:32.679
but yeah I would. I would
recommend to see this film as well.

798
00:55:32.760 --> 00:55:36.320
All right, awesome. I'm not
gonna pick on that part anymore. But

799
00:55:36.440 --> 00:55:42.480
the listeners, what do you think
of Shawn Aston's narration in Whitewater Summer?

800
00:55:42.599 --> 00:55:45.639
What do you think of Whitewater Summer? You can let us know on social

801
00:55:45.679 --> 00:55:50.559
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802
00:55:50.679 --> 00:55:53.760
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803
00:55:53.960 --> 00:55:59.280
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804
00:56:00.039 --> 00:56:01.800
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805
00:56:01.880 --> 00:56:07.480
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806
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807
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swag. Come back tomorrow for our
Star Trek themed series Phasers Set to Stun,

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Wayne, Dave and Scott are covering
Star Trek generations, and on Friday,

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we'll celebrate the forty fifth anniversary of
Apocalypse Now on a Film at forty

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five listeners, you've probably noticed our
audio quality has been a little bit shaky

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this episode. Much like Whitewater Summer, we had some production issues ourselves getting

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this one put together for you.
Nevertheless, to all of you joining us

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week after week, hitting those like
and follow buttons and subscribing on Patreon,

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we thank you you and we'll see
you next time. M Joanna Kerns and

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yeah, yeah, I know,
Joe Belt. I can't think of the

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name of it, Jeff, how
are we missing the actual though? We

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got to what is it? It's
you know, it's the Kirk Cameron show.

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I know what show you're talking about
it? Jason, got that guy?

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What is it called? On the
tip of my tongue, Jeff,

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And I cannot. I'm growing pain. That's part. Let's just get back

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in there now