John Boorman - The Emerald Forest

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Stay where I can see you words
every parent has said countless times. You

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both are parents, Andrew, how
real is the fear that someone could take

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your little boy from you? You
know, I try not to think about

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it, but it creeps into my
head pretty much any time I'm out in

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public, at least once or twice. It's terrifying. How about it,

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Amber, Well, I also had
the double pleasure of being a teacher as

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well as being a parent, and
having experienced taking children that didn't belong to

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me on field trips and being responsible
for returning them safely. And you're constantly

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counting, constantly counting, you know, do I have all my little ones?

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You know? It was always an
ever present kind of in the back

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of your mind. All right,
Well, I want to talk about this,

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So let's talk about a film by
John Borman, his nineteen eighty five

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underrated classic The Emerald Forest. Hello, and welcome back to a Film by

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podcast. It's a new season,
it's a new show. I'm Jeff Johnson,

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and I've got Amber Lewis and Andrew
Blakeley with me today. Welcome back,

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guys. Thank you so excited to
be here. The last time we

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talked the three of us got in
the room together. It was for our

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Patreon We covered similar ground because as
we were talking about a nineteen eighty six

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classic, Harrison Ford's The Mosquito Coast, and I had such a good time

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with you guys on that one and
me too. Yeah, it was a

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fun different movie to talk about.
I regret that one didn't make the regular

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lineup last year, but it's there. It's on Patreon, so you can

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hear it. Speaking of Patreon,
i'd like to welcome our newest Patreon members,

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guys. Two days from now,
Sir John Borman celebrates his ninety first birthday.

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I love the fact that we're opening
the season with a Borman film right

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with his birthday. We're talking about
The Emerald Forest Andrew. How about a

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quick synopsis. Bill Markham played by
Powers Booth is an American engineer, and

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he takes his wife and two children
to the site of a new hydroelectric dam

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he's building in Brazil. During the
visit, his son Tommy is taken by

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locals. Bill and his wife are
left heartbroken. Ten years later, Markham

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is completing his work on the dam
and still searching for his son. He

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finds him living with an indigenous tribe
who are referred to only as the Invisible

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People. Although Markham wants Tommy to
return with him to civilization, the youth,

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now called Tomae, has become part
of the tribe and views the chief

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elder of the Invisible People as his
father. While staying with the tribe and

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seeing how his son is adapted to
their way of life, Markham realizes he

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cannot force Tomay to come home with
him. Afterward, the Invisible People are

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attacked by a cannibal tribe, the
Fierce People. These warriors kidnapped the women,

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taking them to a local town built
around the dam. They plan to

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sell them to brothel keepers. Tomain, now responsible for it the Invisible People,

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realizes that he needs Markum's help to
rescue his people's women. His son's

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return compels the engineer to take a
hard look at the values which have motivated

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him to build the dam and the
impact his work has had on the local

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people. That was informative. Andrew, thank you. Let's jump into this.

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I want to talk about when we
talk about Caston Crew, I want

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to talk about Ross Poe Pallenberg,
the writer of The Emerald Forest and longtime

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Borman collaborator. He also wrote Exorcist
to the Heretic and ex Caliber, more

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on those later. He based this
script on the nineteen seventy two abduction of

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a young boy in Peru, who
was in fact kidnapped by an indigenous tribe

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and found sixteen years long later fully
assimilated. So, you know, you

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watch this movie, it's got for
me, it's got kind of like a

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fantastical element. But then you gotta
be you gotta remind yourself this this really

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happened, you know. Yeah.
I think the term based on gets thrown

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around a little bit sometimes, but
I think this is a good use of

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it, because sometimes you see a
movie based on a true story and they

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try to pretend like this is how
it really happened, and I don't think

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that they were really they didn't feel
tied down and writing the story about making

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it the true story of exactly what
happened, just sort of inspired by those

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events, and I think it's better
for it. Sticking to the truth sometimes

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can be really educational, but it
can also be limiting and just let them

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really just find the meaning and the
story that was there. Powers Booth is

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leading this film. He plays Bill
Markham a year before he's in one of

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the best war films ever made,
talking about nineteen eighty four's Red Dawn.

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He's got a great he's got a
great career, but he never really hits

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it big. And my theory about
that is that everything Craig T. Nelson

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did was something that Powers Booth didn't
get to do. What do you guys

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think? I mean, I never
thought about it that way, but I

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see what you're saying. My thing
was, I had to remind myself like,

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oh, yeah, he was in
Red Dawn, because he played cy

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Tolliver in Deadwood and is such an
amazing character in such a powerful presence on

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the show. He's so good on
the show that it took me a minute

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to get into this movie and seeing
him as as just this dad, you

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know, because I kept waiting for
him to just be this horrible villain.

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So I think he's he's kind of
undervalued. But but I think he got

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in the end, he got the
great, the great role on Deadwood.

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So he he had he had so
many great roles, whether whether he was

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the hero or the villain. Right, Andrew, I'm picturing Tombstone. That's

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I think the first thing that comes
to my mind. He's such a fantastic

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villain. He's just so creepy and
forgot that curly bill brosis. Yeah,

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because Michael Bean sucks all the ear
and so yeah, but I mean think

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about you know, Amber, You're
you're thinking about him as this villainous character,

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but think about him. Go back
to what was it eighty two with

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Poltergeist. Could you not see him
as a as a Stephen Freeling? Yeah,

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right, kind of of dad,
But he wouldn't be quite the kind

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of doofy kind of dad that Nelson
was. But Craig T. Nelson's like

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a softer version of powers Booth.
Oh. I like that, Craig T

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the softer powers Boot. All right, well, let's talk about the incredible

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actress that plays his wife in this. I'm talking about Meg Foster. She

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plays Gene Markham. So again I
hear Foster and I immediately think Masters of

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the Universe in nineteen eighty seven and
they live in nineteen eighty eight, you

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know, with those hypnotic eyes and
that soothing voice to say, they hired

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her for her eyes. Yeah,
absolutely, she's intoxicating. So why did

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we not see her in bigger movies
because she's had an impressive run over the

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years. But I kind of feel
like she, you know, we missed

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out on some good Meg Foster roles
and I don't get it. Even in

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this she's really underused. I think, yeah, the scene she's in,

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she's good, but they're just so
few and far between, and I think

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halfway through the movie. I almost
feel like they forgot about her character.

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That's a good point. Filmmakers didn't
really know what to do with her,

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Like they were like, is she
a villain? Can she be soft?

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What do we do with her?
Okay, Yeah, to your point,

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Andrew, I would love to see
this as like a director's cut or a

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criterion collection and maybe give us like
another fifteen minutes of footage that we don't

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know about that maybe, you know, gives us a little bit more Meg

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Foster, because she she's there in
the beginning she loses her son, and

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then twenty minutes later, thirty minutes
later, she's there again looking for her

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son at you know, a orphanage, and then and then there's this big

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anti climactic moment where she she's you
know, back with Tommy who is now

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TomEE, and it's just like a
quick hug and then we're off. We

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got we gotta, we gotta wrap
up the movie. So I thought that

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was an important moment. Though,
Okay, I agree, that's why I

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wanted more of it. I think
that that was a moment I was looking

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forward to, is seeing their reunion
and seeing his relationship with her. How

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would he react to her, how
would she react to seeing him again?

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And it just it felt they didn't
really give it the space it needed.

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And but we needed more in that
scene, right, I don't know.

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I feel like the biggest piece to
the reunion between both the dad and the

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mom is I feel like they weren't
looking for a fifteen year old, even

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though they know that ten years has
passed, like in their brain, he

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is still five years old and looks
the way he did when they left him,

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they lost him. So I feel
like the reunion, especially for her

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at the end, was like she
had to have that closure of this is

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not the same person okay that I
lost. This is a completely different person.

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So she gets that reunion and she
gets that closure, but that's really

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all it is is that recognition of, you know, my baby is not

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there anymore, Like this is a
different person. Okay. So I mean

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when when you watch the when you
watch the scene, it almost feels like

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there's a disconnect, like she's she's
not overly joyed. You know. This

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isn't like the tearful moment where she's
clutching him and crying her eyes out.

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It's just, you know, it's
a quick you know, a clutching,

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if you will, not so much
a hug, but a clutching. And

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then he's off to rescue his wife. So that's interesting. I mean,

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I assume logistically that Belle would have
explained the situation to her by now,

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so she's at least somewhat mentally prepared, if not emotionally. I don't know

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that you could emotionally prepare for that. But well, even in that scene,

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I feel maybe we've got a little
short change in that scene too,

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because he after he has gone through
his ordeal with the Invisible People, he

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comes back, he's kind of had
the shit kicked out of him, and

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she's like, what's wrong, something's
happened, Tell me what's happened. You

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know. It's almost like a lassie
where he's just not talking well because she's

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used to this for ten years.
He's gone off on these quests, you

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know, and come back empty handed, so she knows there was something different

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about this one. But you know, I have to say, this is

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not the movie I thought I was
willing to be watching. Okay, I

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saw it when it first was on
like HBO or VHS or whatever, remembered

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almost nothing about it and really was
buckled in for like like a lifetime movie

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like The Adam's Story or something where
it was going to be all about the

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search for this child and you know, this dad's quest to find his boy.

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And so when it really became all
about this indigenous tribe and their life

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and you know, regardless of the
trauma, like to May has a very

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good life and is content with who
he is. So I was like,

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well, this is even remotely what
I thought was gonna happen, and I

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think if we had had more emotion
at the end, or more of the

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mom or you know, I think
it would have changed the dynamic of what

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the movie ended up being. Yeah, Andrew, you said this was a

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first time watch for you, right. Yeah. To be honest, I

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don't know that I had ever even
heard of it, which was surprising,

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but I'm glad you brought it up. I think the first thing that I

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heard because I tried not to read
too much about it before I watched it

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and just go and blind, but
I read that it was a sort of

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a spiritual sequel to Deliverance in that
it's sort of man versus nature, and

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you know, civilization clashing with people
who are removed from civilization, and I

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think that prepped me in the very
wrong way. It was very different than

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the movie that I was picturing,
but it was beautiful. I think it

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was really really done well in a
way that I wasn't expecting, especially a

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movie in the mid eighties dealing with
like indigenous peoples of you know, South

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America. I was like, Oh, this could fall into a lot of

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really bad tropes or feel really kitchy
or or derogatory and I mean, I

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think in some ways it did fall
into a few tropes here and there,

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but by and large, I think
he did a really really good job of

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showing these people in a way that
felt earnest, it felt genuine. I

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was very pleasantly surprised. Yeah,
it had been a long while for me.

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I was happy to revisit this one
because I remember the first time I

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saw this, I was I was
a kid. You know, this was

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on Showtime one night. And when
we get into the the invisible people and

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their way of life, you know, there's a there's not a lot of

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clothing worn. And I remember her
experience. Yeah, And I remember I

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remember my mom like going looking at
my dad. He's he's going upstairs,

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this this is this is not okay. And then you know it's okay.

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It's it's like National Geographic. And
my mom, you know this is not

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National Geographic upstairs? You know,
you know, I don't know, but

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you know, I I definitely have
to agree with you. It is a

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lovely film. It's it's shot.
It just looks gorgeous. You know.

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I would love to see this in
four k uh and more more on how

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I saw it later, But yeah, yeah, job. I want to

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mention I struggled to find this one. In the first place I tried to

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watch it was on YouTube. Don't
look that. Oh god, it was

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awful, awful FI. I wouldn't
have gotten to watch it otherwise, but

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God bless this guy that like uploaded
the bad bhs. Okay, we we

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gotta Okay, let's talk about it. So I told you guys, no,

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no, we're jumping in now.
I told you guys, we so

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we had done. You know,
we talked about getting ready for this one

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a couple of weeks in advance.
I told you, guys, hey,

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you can find it. It's it's
on Pluto, it's on t B,

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it's on Prime and and you know, you guys were like, oh,

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I can't wait to talk about this
one. This is gonna be a great

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one. I ultimately had to watch
the YouTube version, which basically it's it

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is someone recording it off of Showtime
in nineteen eighty five, yep, and

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the quality was so poor. I
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for physical media, it was this
past weekend when I was trying to watch

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this because you know, it's it's
it's out of print. You can't find

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it, so yeah, I mean
you can find it Criterion upgrade. It

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certainly does more. One more person
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Charlie Borman as Tomay. So we
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see Thomas Howe, who I think
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park, who had an amazing job, especially in nineteen eighty five, but

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he was unavailable. So Borman decides
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real opposition from Ross, Poe Palleinberg. They end up having a falling out

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and this is the last time they
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mean, it's Charlie Borman that bad
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I thought I liked him. I
mean an Excalibur, he's like cringe.

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But in this he's so like,
I don't know, otherworldly, and

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he doesn't. It's perfect because he
doesn't really fit in our world and he

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doesn't fit in their world really and
right, what did you think, Andrew?

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It felt like nepotism going into it. That when I saw the name,

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I was like, oh, really, you come on? But I

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think he really held it together.
He had he had a lot of weight

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on his shoulders, in this movie, and I'm genuinely surprised, but yeah,

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he pulled it out. It was
it was really really good. And

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I think you're right. He's got
a very specific look about him that does

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make him sort of stand out in
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also enough to like confidence to carry
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I think the movie would not have
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maybe could have done it, but
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movie wouldn't work. I like him. And as far as his look,

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you know, when I if I
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nineteen eighties when it comes to cinema, when I think of that haunted look

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he has as he's aiming the bon
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he is. I mean I could
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times out of ten. It's huge, such a great scene. Yeah,

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let's take a quick break and when
we come back, we'll talk about we'll

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talk about the background of the movie. We'll talk about some of the scenes

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that's Apples and Oranges February seven.
We are back. I've got Andrew

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Blakely, I've got Amber Lewis,
and we are talking about the Emerald Forest

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by director John Borman. So this
by Borman's account, this is filmed on

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location in Brazil. He says it
was hot, uncomfortably humid, and that

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they endured daily torrential downpours. Think
about how good actors and actresses have it

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today with all the green screen,
you know, real world technology, real

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world engine technology they got, Like
he is deep. He has dragged everyone

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deep into the rainforest to shoot this
movie. And I'm glad that he did

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because you can see it there.
This is this is just gorgeous cinematography.

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Yeah. I had a vision of
like the Mosquito coast and like how they

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were dragging the ice from one side
of the jungle to the other, and

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I pictured him dragging all this camera
equipment into the rainforest. Yeah, it's

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it's hard to really like overseell how
important for a movie, especially for a

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movie like this, the physical like
the texture of the jungle and everything is

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it's I mean, you can get
a shot in a sound stage here and

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there if you need to close up, but really being there just creates a

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different atmosphere. And I think it's
still today with all the technology. It

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shows. It shows when they put
in that put you in that position versus

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just try to simulate it well.
And even like the scene that the waterfall,

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there's no dialogue because you can't hear
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was amazing. The scene was better

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for it. You know, when
you can't think, Andrew, you just

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can't fake that kind of beauty in
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just so stunning. It's I mean, I just want those scenes to last

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a little bit longer because I'm just
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once again, like give us,
give us a director's cut, like,

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there's got to be more to this
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the indigenous tribe is wearing in this
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really I want to believe it's true
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little in the film. Allegedly,
the non South American cast and crew started

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each day on set with some neud
aerobics to warm up to kind of balance

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things. I mean, if there
was ever a behind the scenes extra you

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want on a DVD or a Blu
ray. I think this is it right,

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maybe like a train wreck. I
don't necessarily want to see it,

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but if it's there, I'm not
gonna look away either. I read that.

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I was like, I believe that. If we're on a Matthew McConaughey

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movie, I believe it. I
don't even care if it's a rainforest movie

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or a movie based in Texas,
it's probably happening. But we are bonding

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in this way exactly. Let's talk
about there's some noteworthy scenes here, and

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but let's let's start even with the
beginning. You know, this is not

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good parenting. No, they are
bonkers, like like kind of disconnected,

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like they're in Central Park or something
like you know, I'm I'm a little

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bit of a helicopter mom, I
will admit, but you're in that Amazon.

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Like you're not gonna say don't go
where I can't see you in the

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Amazon, like you might say that
at your local park. But there are

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I mean, forgetting the indigenous tribes. There's like spiders the size of dinner

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plates and like anacondas and they're ripping
out, you know, trees with big

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construction equipment, Like I'm kind of
feeling like I'm gonna keep a hand on

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them everywhere we go. And they
just had this kind of cavalier letting him

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wander kind of thing. Yeah,
right, Yeah, the seventies when that

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scene takes place, we were Yeah, we grew up different, you know.

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I mean, stay where I can
see you is probably better if you're

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at the mall and not in the
Brazilian rainforest with uh, you know,

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construction and and dangerous uh people and
dangerous animals. But yeah, the sad

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thing is that, you know,
he wonders off and then he comes back

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and it's it's when he brings his
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say that that scene, you know, the invisible people and just how they

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are, they just blend into the
the shot. It's beautiful, but it's

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also really scary, I think,
yeah, because you weren't really sure at

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least I wasn't at the beginning,
like real they kidnapping him for like what's

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going on? Yeah, you know, more of that in a second,

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but yeah, and the idea that
they snatch him the second powers Booth turns

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his back, that's unreal, I
think, Yeah, speaking of unreal.

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Let's uh, let's there's a couple
of scenes here, and I get it.

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They're they're rituals. But I'm like, no, thanks, Uh,

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Andrew, how about your adoptive father
telling you that you must die so that

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you can become a man. What
did you what did you think of the

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ritual of becoming a man? To
an extent, I get it, I

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guess. I don't know if that's
something that I went through a phase in

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my my teens and twenties around the
time I met you, Jeff that I

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was like, well, you got
to do some really dumb stuff. You

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got to put yourself through hell to
see what you're made of. So I

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get the concept. I don't know
that I'm going to go quite to the

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level that they do. Being covered
with fire ants is uh, that's already

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a deal breaker right out of the
gate. You know. Yeah, I'm

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fine with them shooting you know,
that, blowing that uh, that hallucinogenic

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dust up my nose. But yeah, but when you when you cover with

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fire ants and then like you know, bury me and drown me up,

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I'm passing hard. I'll do some
drugs with dad, That's fine. You'd

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stop there I like the look on
Tom's face where when he said are you

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ready to die? He was kind
of like, is he gonna kill me?

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Yeah? Well he's out there.
Yeah, him and his buddy,

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they're out there in the in the
water and they're they're kind of flirting with

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uh, you know, some of
the girls, and you know, we're

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having fun. And then you know, when and not he shows up and

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he's like, you know you must
die? WHOA, Okay, you know,

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I get it. I'm past curfew, but right I'm sorry. I

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won't take the car. I won't
take the car. Uh. I love

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the idea that that this puts him
on this journey of finding the sacred stones

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that they use for paint to become
the invisible people. I like that he's

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given purpose immediately as a man like
almost like a like to prove himself,

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like a trial. That part of
the movie I really, I really thought

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was cool. Yeah. I was
kind of thinking as I was, I

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don't know if that's necessary. I
think it's both giving him a purpose but

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also maybe a sense that he feels
he needs to prove himself as a bit

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of an outsider or as someone that's
different. They never really outright acknowledge that

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he's treated as different, viewed as
different. But you could pick him out

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of a lineup. He's, you
know, bright blonde hair and blue eyes,

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and he stands out. So I
wondered if that was sort of a

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need to go above and beyond.
Yeah, Amber, how about that marriage

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ritual? I loved when he came
to her village and he's like, okay,

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so you're gonna marry me now,
and she's like, no, I'm

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staying with my dad. And he's
supposed to smack her with this like club

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thing and he kind of looks like
I don't know that I can do this,

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and she's like, you have to
do it right. Yeah, So

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he smacks her and knocks her out
and drags her off. You know,

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it's very you know, First Nations
primitive, but you know she was I

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thought she was. She consented,
So she consented to a concussion and a

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head wound. Yeah, she knew
what she was getting to do. She

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wanted to marry him, so I
guess, you know, I feel bad

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for her. She you know,
she wakes up after she's been carried off

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and it's like she's like, yeah, I felt better, but let's do

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this right? You know these these
women are they are strong. They're strong

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women in this tribe. Uh strong, strong tribe, the fierce people.

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Oh good god, absolutely terrifying.
I wasn't sure how to feel about it,

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Like I wasn't sure if it was
like vaguely racist that they were cannibals,

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or if there's I don't have enough
knowledge and research to say, like,

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well, no, there's tribes like
this, but they just made me

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all kinds of uncomfortable. Yeah,
I mean I know there were there are

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hyper violent like uncontacted tribes. That's
part of the reason they're still uncontacted.

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I don't know about the cannibal as
am aspect, but yeah, it's I

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think, Yeah, you're always bordering
on that. It's always something you got

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to be super careful with with when
writing characters, Like you need it,

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you need an adversary, you need
an enemy, but you don't want to

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fall into that like savage trope.
Yeah, I know, I know it

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existed, but I don't know that
it was a South American thing. But

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I liked that, like they were
already their antagonists of the invisible people,

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Like this was already a conflict that
existed and the you get like this throwaway

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line that they moved into their territory
because of the construction. The fierce people

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got pushed into the you know,
the invisible people were pretty successful at avoiding

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them, but they got pushed into
their their area. Inside of that conflict,

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you go. There's places in this
movie where it doesn't necessarily hold your

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hand and leads you to it,
but it sort of hints at the idea

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that all this is happening because the
dam is being built, because they're deforesting,

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because white people are moving in and
sort of changing things. And I

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mean it's it's not subtle, but
it also there's a lot of places where

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it just kind of hints or drops
a line. It doesn't necessarily hit you

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over the head with it. Yeah. I like that, you know,

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we get this message, but it's
not force fed. And I think that's

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one thing that they that they really
did well with the movie. Let's talk

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about a pivotal scene. We've talked
about a couple of scenes. Let's talk

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about the pivotal scene. You know, Uh, for me, uh and

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Amber, you kind of talked a
little bit about this. Uh, I

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think the pivot, the pivotal moment
is when Markham confronts Wanati. You know,

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everything seems kind of chill, and
then he just turns it and he's

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like, why did you take my
son? And you're waiting. You know,

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it's very confrontational, but I feel
like Wannati's explanation not only does it

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not make them villainous, it kind
of explains why they're such a good people.

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You know. He talks about,
you know, the young boy smiling

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at him and then realizing that he
was he was too good to be left

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for the dead world as what the
as a as they call it, you

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know, civilization and that whole,
that whole conversation he has about termite people,

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about how white white people, you
know, they're the termite people because

407
00:31:23.680 --> 00:31:27.880
they chew up all the grandfather trees. I love that, you know,

408
00:31:29.240 --> 00:31:30.559
and it made me think, like, you know, what they were They

409
00:31:30.559 --> 00:31:34.440
weren't kidnapping him. They in their
minds, they were rescuing, rescuing him.

410
00:31:34.440 --> 00:31:37.640
So for me, that's a very
pivotal moment I think in this movie.

411
00:31:37.200 --> 00:31:41.160
Yeah, it changes the opening scene. As soon as he said that,

412
00:31:41.200 --> 00:31:45.519
I thought back to in the very
opening when Bill was saying that,

413
00:31:45.599 --> 00:31:48.200
you know, we just pushed the
trees over that the roots don't go that

414
00:31:48.279 --> 00:31:52.240
deep, and you know that line. He says it nonchalantly, like it's

415
00:31:52.279 --> 00:31:56.920
just we're doing our job. But
then when viewed through that lens, it's

416
00:31:56.920 --> 00:32:00.319
like, wow, you're just casually
destroying this entire forest like it it's not

417
00:32:00.400 --> 00:32:09.279
even a thing. Yeah, especially
the aggression when they come back to return

418
00:32:09.440 --> 00:32:16.720
powers booth to the construction site and
the chief says, you know, the

419
00:32:16.759 --> 00:32:20.240
dead world, it used to be
a lot farther away. It used to

420
00:32:20.279 --> 00:32:23.039
take his days to get here.
And you see like this line, this

421
00:32:23.119 --> 00:32:29.039
demarcation of like this beautiful jungle that
you've come to feel comfortable and love,

422
00:32:29.839 --> 00:32:34.559
and then it's just dirt. It's
just slashed and burned, like gone.

423
00:32:35.000 --> 00:32:40.559
And you can see why you wouldn't
abandon this poor or beautiful little child to

424
00:32:40.599 --> 00:32:45.480
that world. Well, yeah,
they talk about you know, they're confused,

425
00:32:45.519 --> 00:32:49.519
like, you know, why are
they ripping Mother Earth's skin off?

426
00:32:49.880 --> 00:32:52.240
You know, how can they do
this? It's when you hear it from

427
00:32:52.279 --> 00:33:00.440
that perspective, it speaks volumes about
what we're doing, you know, you

428
00:33:00.440 --> 00:33:02.839
know, how we how we feel
we're making things better when maybe we're not.

429
00:33:04.200 --> 00:33:07.200
You know, Andrew you gotta you
got a pivotal scene. I I

430
00:33:07.240 --> 00:33:13.559
think you probably took the the pivotal
scene as far as I'm concerned. But

431
00:33:14.319 --> 00:33:17.240
I think the one that really put
the movie, you know, in motion,

432
00:33:17.440 --> 00:33:24.599
I think was when Powers and his
friend Yue I believe is how you

433
00:33:24.640 --> 00:33:30.599
pronounce his name. Is that the
journalists we're out looking for a son and

434
00:33:30.640 --> 00:33:35.160
they're taken by the Fears people.
I feel like that is the point the

435
00:33:35.200 --> 00:33:37.400
movie really got going for me.
It kind of like set the events in

436
00:33:37.440 --> 00:33:43.799
motion and really kicked things off,
and it also really set the stakes about

437
00:33:43.799 --> 00:33:52.079
how dangerous this really really was.
It wasn't super violent where it could have

438
00:33:52.160 --> 00:33:54.200
been. It wasn't super emotional in
the way it could have been. But

439
00:33:54.400 --> 00:33:59.640
like it sticks with you because he's
basically put in a position where he just

440
00:33:59.680 --> 00:34:01.039
haske to lea his friend there to
die and take off running and hope he

441
00:34:01.039 --> 00:34:07.279
doesn't get eaten, and that's it. It's the The speed at which the

442
00:34:07.319 --> 00:34:09.679
tone shift happened really caught me off
guard, and I think that the movie

443
00:34:10.079 --> 00:34:14.599
is much better for it. Yeah, I appreciate. I appreciate that it's

444
00:34:14.599 --> 00:34:17.719
not gratuitous in that moment. It
could have been with with u A's death

445
00:34:17.840 --> 00:34:23.519
and with the fact that this is
a cannibalistic tribe. So I did appreciate

446
00:34:23.559 --> 00:34:29.679
that Amber a pivotal moment for you
or is this the pivot moment? No,

447
00:34:29.880 --> 00:34:31.159
well, no, that it just
grossed me out, Like it was

448
00:34:31.280 --> 00:34:37.280
just you don't see anything. It
was just the idea that like one minute

449
00:34:37.320 --> 00:34:40.559
everything's fine and then the next minute
they just like turn on him and it's

450
00:34:40.639 --> 00:34:46.800
like this horrible attack that you're kind
of left imagining. But no, for

451
00:34:46.920 --> 00:34:51.440
me, it's it's kind of I
don't know, cliche, I guess,

452
00:34:51.639 --> 00:34:59.480
But for me, the pivotal moment
was when powers Booth finds Tomay and the

453
00:34:59.480 --> 00:35:05.199
waterfall and just that you know,
Tomae is looking for those stones and it's

454
00:35:05.239 --> 00:35:10.760
sort of the catalyst for them ending
up in the same area because it would

455
00:35:10.800 --> 00:35:15.719
have been too far fetched for you
know, his dad to just like happened

456
00:35:15.760 --> 00:35:22.480
to stumble on him and you know, thousands of miles of jungle and just

457
00:35:22.719 --> 00:35:28.880
that that moment when they lock eyes
and they recognize each other and you,

458
00:35:29.000 --> 00:35:31.840
yeah, like we said before,
you can't hear anything because the waterfall is

459
00:35:31.880 --> 00:35:37.920
so loud, and they say each
other's name, and I was just like

460
00:35:37.960 --> 00:35:44.199
I couldn't breathe. It was just
completely enthralled. I love that he doesn't

461
00:35:44.239 --> 00:35:52.000
recognize him as his dad from ten
years ago, but as Dade. The

462
00:35:52.519 --> 00:35:55.760
vision that he has that lives in
my head, that lives in my head.

463
00:35:57.079 --> 00:36:00.159
Ah, so beautiful. Absolutely love
it. That's that is That's a

464
00:36:00.159 --> 00:36:02.280
great one. Yeah, I gotta
I gotta say, these are some very

465
00:36:02.280 --> 00:36:07.199
pivotal moments you guys have picked out. I love each one of them.

466
00:36:07.559 --> 00:36:10.079
Let's take one more break, and
when we get back, let's talk about

467
00:36:10.400 --> 00:36:15.360
John Borman's movies. You know,
we are back, guys, Let's talk.

468
00:36:15.880 --> 00:36:22.360
Let's talk a little bit about John
Borman's filmography, thirty thirty two movies.

469
00:36:23.159 --> 00:36:24.800
I know we're not going to talk
about all of them. Let's just

470
00:36:25.000 --> 00:36:30.239
let's serun a couple couple of them
though. Let's start with you know,

471
00:36:30.280 --> 00:36:36.400
the film that puts John Borman on
the map. Talking about nineteen seventy two's

472
00:36:36.880 --> 00:36:44.280
Deliverance. Yeah, yeah, I
heard. I heard you guys. Listen.

473
00:36:44.440 --> 00:36:46.920
I'm going to give a shout out
to docum Base seventy seven. You

474
00:36:46.960 --> 00:36:52.440
guys, both of you were involved
in a spirited conversation about the top movie

475
00:36:52.440 --> 00:36:57.119
Top seven movies of the seventies.
Yes, I happen to love Deliverance,

476
00:36:57.239 --> 00:37:01.360
and it appears to me that most
people on that episode do not love Deliverance.

477
00:37:02.000 --> 00:37:07.480
How about it, Andrew, Love
is an interesting word. I respect

478
00:37:07.559 --> 00:37:12.440
Deliverance. I'm not going to make
any effort to watch it again anytime soon.

479
00:37:12.599 --> 00:37:15.119
No. Oh wow, it's I
mean, it's a great movie.

480
00:37:15.119 --> 00:37:16.880
It really is. And I think
I get why I put him on the

481
00:37:16.920 --> 00:37:22.639
map, and you can definitely see
thematically and like visually, a lot of

482
00:37:22.639 --> 00:37:27.880
the same things that we've talked about
in the Emerald Forest in Deliverance. But

483
00:37:28.719 --> 00:37:30.760
yeah, it's it's rough. I
mean, it's intentionally a rough watch.

484
00:37:30.840 --> 00:37:35.119
Yeah, like that's what he was
going for. I was. I was

485
00:37:35.400 --> 00:37:38.480
like the first time I saw it, I was probably sixteen or seventeen,

486
00:37:39.119 --> 00:37:42.280
and I was on this kick of
like, I gotta watch There's so many

487
00:37:43.320 --> 00:37:47.159
amazing films throughout Hollywood's history that I
haven't seen. I got I gotta get

488
00:37:47.239 --> 00:37:52.840
them, I gotta get them all. And I was horrified by Deliverance,

489
00:37:52.079 --> 00:37:54.840
you know, and I'm talking about
the one scene we're all thinking of all.

490
00:37:55.599 --> 00:37:59.440
I was like, oh my god, I'm never going to go camping

491
00:37:59.440 --> 00:38:01.960
again. But well, and I'm
gonna get on my feminist soap box just

492
00:38:02.039 --> 00:38:07.599
a little and say, okay,
like this is kind of a touchstone film

493
00:38:07.639 --> 00:38:13.119
for men, and that's why.
But imagine, you know, sexual assault

494
00:38:13.320 --> 00:38:17.960
is like a plot point in so
much uh, I don't know, pop

495
00:38:19.000 --> 00:38:21.960
culture. I guess you would say, are so much art that we consume

496
00:38:22.559 --> 00:38:28.000
that for women, it's like,
hey, you guys are whims. One

497
00:38:28.079 --> 00:38:32.559
little scene and everybody knows what movie
you're talking about, you know, And

498
00:38:34.159 --> 00:38:38.079
so I think it's it's kind of
ironic. But I think if you take

499
00:38:38.199 --> 00:38:44.199
that piece out, I will be
fair and say it is one heck of

500
00:38:44.239 --> 00:38:47.119
an adventure movie. Okay, Well, you know, and when you think

501
00:38:47.159 --> 00:38:52.880
about that, yeah, I think
you're on something there, because maybe maybe

502
00:38:52.920 --> 00:38:57.599
it's maybe taken for granted as a
plot device in a lot of films,

503
00:38:58.039 --> 00:39:01.519
and then when you see it flipped
and it's it's different. It's you know,

504
00:39:02.280 --> 00:39:06.679
for me, like at sixteen,
watching that for the first time,

505
00:39:06.960 --> 00:39:12.159
I was absolutely horrified, and then
I never looked at a scene like that

506
00:39:12.280 --> 00:39:14.440
in any other movie the same,
you know, whether it was a male

507
00:39:14.519 --> 00:39:19.480
or a female. But yeah,
great, I think for me, it's

508
00:39:19.599 --> 00:39:22.519
largely about the how the director does
it, And I think, like I

509
00:39:22.559 --> 00:39:27.480
think of films like Irreversible or Last
House on the Left, those scenes stand

510
00:39:27.519 --> 00:39:30.760
out because usually it's a plot point, but it's not one that they just

511
00:39:30.800 --> 00:39:36.400
outright show in all its gratuity,
I guess for lack of a better word.

512
00:39:36.760 --> 00:39:39.000
And every time that happens, it's
just it's haunting because usually you know,

513
00:39:39.039 --> 00:39:42.440
the camera pans away and you're left
to think about the solve the thing

514
00:39:42.519 --> 00:39:45.639
happened, and sometimes the director just
hits you upside the head with it.

515
00:39:45.719 --> 00:39:51.800
Irreversible, it's a disgusting, violent
act and needs to be acknowledged as such.

516
00:39:51.920 --> 00:39:54.480
Like Irreversible stands out in my head, like if I had top five

517
00:39:54.519 --> 00:40:00.000
most traumatic scenes Irreversibles on there before
Deliverance in my opinions, but they're absolutely

518
00:40:00.119 --> 00:40:06.440
the contenders. Yeah, I I
don't ever want to watch Irreversible again because

519
00:40:06.480 --> 00:40:10.719
of that scene, especially for how
how drawn out it is. It's it's

520
00:40:10.760 --> 00:40:15.000
so unsettling, it's so uncomfortable.
I don't think I could ever watch it

521
00:40:15.039 --> 00:40:19.880
again. But uh yeah, I'll
take I'll take dead Betty over that.

522
00:40:20.000 --> 00:40:24.320
Uh, let's talk about nineteen seventy
four. He does one of the weirdest

523
00:40:24.320 --> 00:40:30.559
films in this philography. I'm talking
about Zardas. Yes, Oh god,

524
00:40:32.880 --> 00:40:38.360
what the hell's going on here?
It You have to watch it just for

525
00:40:39.719 --> 00:40:45.440
Connery in that I guess bikini for
lack of a better term, shot in

526
00:40:45.559 --> 00:40:53.519
like a a onesie bikini with that
long ponytail and all too much chest hair.

527
00:40:54.079 --> 00:40:59.320
I was gonna say the most like
masculine and sexy of men is just

528
00:40:59.440 --> 00:41:06.360
completely stripped of all of that.
It just looks ridiculous. What's more ridiculous

529
00:41:06.880 --> 00:41:10.360
or awesome? But what's what's more
ridiculous? He remember that he does this

530
00:41:10.400 --> 00:41:19.519
after Diamonds are Forever and he's he's
not getting a lot of work. Uh

531
00:41:19.920 --> 00:41:24.199
so Borman gets him for two hundred
thousand dollars. Wow, think about that

532
00:41:24.239 --> 00:41:30.599
for a second. Sean Connery,
James Connor. Yeah, it's like,

533
00:41:30.639 --> 00:41:34.079
hey, listen, Sean, if
you could put on this bikini brief these

534
00:41:34.119 --> 00:41:38.199
bikini briefs and I'm gonna make you
look as ridiculous as possible. I got

535
00:41:38.239 --> 00:41:42.039
two hundred k. What do you
say? I think? And by the

536
00:41:42.079 --> 00:41:45.559
way, it's like there's some weird
future movies. I feel like there's a

537
00:41:45.679 --> 00:41:50.559
story there where like he he owed
him one or something. Yeah, either

538
00:41:50.599 --> 00:41:54.280
that or there's there's some kind of
bribery going on. I feel more sorry

539
00:41:54.320 --> 00:41:59.159
for for Charlotte Rampling, Like how
this woman she's she's such a fine actress,

540
00:41:59.199 --> 00:42:01.960
and I'm thinking, how does she
get roped into this? You know,

541
00:42:04.280 --> 00:42:07.960
I don't know. I mean maybe
you're you're coming off of the heat

542
00:42:07.000 --> 00:42:09.559
from Deliverance and you're like, wow, this guy he won awards, he

543
00:42:09.639 --> 00:42:15.519
knows what he's doing. He's okay
art, I trust him, you sign

544
00:42:15.599 --> 00:42:22.079
on. And Connery is has a
history of not picking the best projects.

545
00:42:22.679 --> 00:42:27.519
I mean it's he's yeah, it's
not the When you look at the one

546
00:42:27.559 --> 00:42:31.800
sheet the film poster for it,
it's it's gorgeous and has a real Logan's

547
00:42:31.840 --> 00:42:36.599
run vibe to it. You know
when when film posters were art, they

548
00:42:36.599 --> 00:42:40.480
weren't just a bunch of people's faces
superimposed on a on a piece of paper.

549
00:42:42.000 --> 00:42:46.800
But I love the tagline beyond nineteen
eighty four, beyond two thousand and

550
00:42:46.840 --> 00:42:52.719
one, beyond Love, beyond death, Like, yeah, I just pulled

551
00:42:52.760 --> 00:42:54.960
it up. Oh you're not kidding? This is? This looks badass?

552
00:42:54.960 --> 00:42:58.880
Would it? Does? It looks
bad? Yeah? You know what I'm

553
00:42:58.880 --> 00:43:00.159
gonna I'm gonna revisit it. I
gotta, I gotta check it out one

554
00:43:00.159 --> 00:43:02.880
more time. Maybe it's maybe it's
aged. Well, I want to believe.

555
00:43:05.239 --> 00:43:07.760
I hope you're right. Now.
I don't think you're but I hope

556
00:43:07.760 --> 00:43:10.159
you're right. I'm willing to go
there. I'll get back to you,

557
00:43:10.760 --> 00:43:14.320
all right. I'm gonna roll the
dice when he when of you is gonna

558
00:43:14.320 --> 00:43:19.480
get stuck doing a Patreon episode?
On on with me? All right?

559
00:43:20.960 --> 00:43:29.239
Moving along, Borman's not getting better
at this point because he gives us Exorcist

560
00:43:29.239 --> 00:43:35.480
to the heretic one of the I'm
you know, I'm calling it like I

561
00:43:35.519 --> 00:43:38.519
see it. It's one of the
worst sequels in this franchise. Am I

562
00:43:38.559 --> 00:43:45.800
am I wrong? Oh? No, you are not wrong. I had

563
00:43:45.840 --> 00:43:52.239
never seen it because I was everybody
had said it's so bad, and just

564
00:43:52.400 --> 00:43:57.199
in the last year or two,
I was like, ads on, you

565
00:43:57.239 --> 00:44:00.440
know some streaming thing for free,
I'll flip it on. And I was

566
00:44:00.519 --> 00:44:06.639
like, good god, what is
he happened? I don't know. I

567
00:44:06.880 --> 00:44:09.719
mean The Exorcist, I will say, is the scariest film ever made.

568
00:44:10.000 --> 00:44:14.599
Yes to this day, I have
trouble watching it alone in the Dark,

569
00:44:15.280 --> 00:44:19.079
but the second one, no,
I mean it doesn't help that. I

570
00:44:19.079 --> 00:44:22.559
think Richard Burton was like completely hammered
through the whole bit. Oh yeah,

571
00:44:22.679 --> 00:44:29.880
it's I don't know. There's so
many bad choices happening in that movie.

572
00:44:30.119 --> 00:44:34.000
You know, it's got a three
point eight on IMDb, and I think

573
00:44:34.000 --> 00:44:37.239
that's generous if I'm if I'm being
honest, but I mean, my god,

574
00:44:37.320 --> 00:44:39.280
the cast, you know, like
it would have been cool, It

575
00:44:39.320 --> 00:44:44.440
should have been, but it is
not. I'll tell you what is cool

576
00:44:44.440 --> 00:44:46.440
and has a stellar cast. And
Amber, I know you're with me on

577
00:44:46.480 --> 00:44:52.639
this. Yes, nineteen eighty one
we get ex caliber. Heck yeah,

578
00:44:53.199 --> 00:44:59.599
Andrew, I know, I know
you, Andrew. I know your love

579
00:44:59.639 --> 00:45:06.239
of cinema. I know you're encyclopedic
knowledge of eighties films blows my mind.

580
00:45:06.280 --> 00:45:09.760
You haven't seen this one. I'm
not proud of it, but it's it

581
00:45:09.880 --> 00:45:14.400
is what it is. It's on
my list. I actually bumped it higher

582
00:45:14.440 --> 00:45:15.639
on my list. I found where
it's streaming, so I will be on

583
00:45:15.719 --> 00:45:19.960
it soon because especially after this,
you know, I want to I want

584
00:45:19.960 --> 00:45:22.400
to see more Charlie Boorman. You
know, listeners, if we need to

585
00:45:22.400 --> 00:45:25.840
set up a GoFundMe for Andrew to
give him a good quality copy. I

586
00:45:25.840 --> 00:45:30.360
mean, my god, we have
the four K Blu Ray, yes,

587
00:45:30.400 --> 00:45:35.119
with all the extras and everything,
like just do yourself. Yeah, that's

588
00:45:35.480 --> 00:45:39.679
yourself a gift. That's stunning piece
of music. Oh for Tuna by coming

589
00:45:39.679 --> 00:45:44.960
to Bonna. Oh, I mean
it is the it is the piece of

590
00:45:45.039 --> 00:45:50.440
music. You know, it's quintessentials. You guys that are going to get

591
00:45:50.440 --> 00:45:52.159
me to watch it too, because
I'll be honest, every every still I've

592
00:45:52.159 --> 00:45:57.360
seen from it, everything I've heard
about it sounds just so over the top,

593
00:45:57.960 --> 00:46:00.440
so ridiculous it is, But that's
that's what makes it great. No,

594
00:46:00.800 --> 00:46:05.400
coming over to Docking Bay. Listen
to our King Arthur versus EXCaliber.

595
00:46:05.800 --> 00:46:08.760
I've gonna let it all out for
you. Why EXCaliber is the superior movie

596
00:46:10.360 --> 00:46:16.320
Helen Mirren Gabriel Byrne, Liam Neeson, Patrick Stewart. I mean I could

597
00:46:16.400 --> 00:46:20.760
keep going. That's that's a cast
I'll give you. There's so many and

598
00:46:20.800 --> 00:46:22.280
there and this is like, this
is nineteen eighty one, so this is

599
00:46:22.800 --> 00:46:29.199
they are peak, They're they're just
they're just coming into to greatness. I

600
00:46:29.239 --> 00:46:32.639
think that's that's pre Jean Luke Picard. That is yes, far hair.

601
00:46:34.280 --> 00:46:37.760
Yeah, yeah, he's got hair. He's not even what that looks like.

602
00:46:37.000 --> 00:46:42.840
He's got it all. We've been
talking about The Emerald Forrest nineteen eighty

603
00:46:42.840 --> 00:46:46.440
five. I'm gonna be honest with
you guys, as we move into the

604
00:46:46.559 --> 00:46:52.480
nineties with his work, I'm very
unfamiliar with it until until two thousand and

605
00:46:52.519 --> 00:46:55.880
one when we talk The Tailor Panama
with uh, that's the next roun on

606
00:46:55.920 --> 00:46:59.320
his list that I've seen. Yeah, I was rolling through and I was

607
00:46:59.320 --> 00:47:01.239
like, these, I haven't even
heard about half of these. Yeah,

608
00:47:02.079 --> 00:47:05.280
I want to say a lot of
it's you know, it might be British

609
00:47:05.280 --> 00:47:08.800
films, it might be TV movies. But I got to jump to two

610
00:47:08.800 --> 00:47:13.480
thousand and one with with Pierce Brosnan
and Jamie Lee Curtis to get back on

611
00:47:13.840 --> 00:47:16.840
the Boorman train. How about you
guys same. I mean, I've seen

612
00:47:16.880 --> 00:47:21.320
some of those, you know,
intermittent ones, but this, the Tailor

613
00:47:21.320 --> 00:47:25.000
of Panama is I mean, who
doesn't love John Lacry So it's yeah,

614
00:47:25.559 --> 00:47:30.880
it's so good. And Brosnan's just
so charming in everything, but especially in

615
00:47:30.920 --> 00:47:36.480
this, devishly charming. I love
him in this. It's after this you

616
00:47:36.480 --> 00:47:37.960
know, we're talking a couple of
shorts, a couple of TV movies.

617
00:47:39.679 --> 00:47:44.639
You know, twenty fourteen was his
last film. Queen and Country did not

618
00:47:44.800 --> 00:47:50.280
do that. Well. It's actually
a sequel to his film Hope and Glory,

619
00:47:51.079 --> 00:47:53.800
which makes me kind it's really amazing. Yeah, I feel bad we

620
00:47:53.840 --> 00:47:57.920
skipped over that when Amber. I
haven't seen it, but you're saying it's

621
00:47:57.960 --> 00:48:00.400
amazing. Yes, I haven't seen
it in a really long time. But

622
00:48:01.239 --> 00:48:05.280
it was one of those that I
don't remember if it won any awards,

623
00:48:05.280 --> 00:48:13.599
but it was on the awards list, and you know, it was one

624
00:48:13.639 --> 00:48:15.840
of the movies that everybody you know
was talking about. So it was one

625
00:48:15.880 --> 00:48:23.159
that I remember watching because of that, and it's just so affecting. Okay,

626
00:48:23.280 --> 00:48:28.039
one it won the Golden Globe for
Best Picture. Oh well, there

627
00:48:28.039 --> 00:48:31.840
you go, ember knowing Queen and
Country in twenty fourteen is the sequel to

628
00:48:31.880 --> 00:48:35.360
open Gloy does that make Does that
put it on your list to watch now?

629
00:48:35.760 --> 00:48:39.719
Yes? Very much? So Okay, I hadn't even heard of Queen

630
00:48:39.800 --> 00:48:45.760
and Country, so, you know, until I was looking over the filmography

631
00:48:45.800 --> 00:48:49.679
for this, So yeah, I'm
very I'm very intrigued to see where that

632
00:48:50.039 --> 00:48:53.360
where that is going to go.
Okay, well, let's uh, let's

633
00:48:53.480 --> 00:48:58.639
let's wrap this up, guys.
Typically we love to talk about what we

634
00:48:58.679 --> 00:49:02.320
want to see next from the director
again, Happy early birthday to sir John

635
00:49:02.360 --> 00:49:07.320
Borman. He's turning ninety one this
way, what this Thursday? Actually?

636
00:49:08.000 --> 00:49:13.039
And I doubt that he's going to
come out of retirement to do anything new.

637
00:49:13.199 --> 00:49:15.760
But Amber, I know the answer
to this, But I'm gonna ask

638
00:49:15.760 --> 00:49:25.320
you anyways, your favorite John Borman
film. I have a new found appreciation

639
00:49:25.480 --> 00:49:30.239
for this film, The Emerald Forest, And like we said, I would

640
00:49:30.280 --> 00:49:35.480
love to get like a four K, you know, print, but ex

641
00:49:35.559 --> 00:49:42.960
Caliber will always be the quintessential John
Borman extravaganza. I felt that that was

642
00:49:43.000 --> 00:49:47.039
the greatest movie. Andrew, I
gotta ask you. You know, our

643
00:49:47.079 --> 00:49:51.800
friendship has always led me to believe
you are one of the more adventurous people

644
00:49:52.320 --> 00:49:58.719
in my life. If you're out
there in the wilderness, the great beyond,

645
00:49:59.599 --> 00:50:05.639
who would you rather face the fierce
people or some inbread rapists down south?

646
00:50:06.119 --> 00:50:10.239
Like? Who who do you had
a better chance against? I don't

647
00:50:10.320 --> 00:50:15.440
like either of these options, but
this is all horrible. I think I've

648
00:50:15.440 --> 00:50:19.800
got a better chance against some Inbread
Rapists. I think you did too.

649
00:50:19.920 --> 00:50:24.199
I think, yeah, I see
Andrew as a full on Burt Reynolds in

650
00:50:24.239 --> 00:50:28.559
that situation. So yeah, and
I also see myself as a powers booth.

651
00:50:28.559 --> 00:50:30.000
They give me a several hours head
start and they still catch me.

652
00:50:30.079 --> 00:50:38.000
It's not great there, and speaking
the great, I kind of I kind

653
00:50:38.000 --> 00:50:40.679
of feel like we all we all
recommend this movie, right, this is

654
00:50:40.719 --> 00:50:45.320
this is one that you want to
see. Yeah. Absolutely, it really

655
00:50:45.320 --> 00:50:47.000
surprised me. I think there's a
lot of good stuff to it. I

656
00:50:47.000 --> 00:50:51.920
mean it it isn't without its faults, but I think the things that make

657
00:50:51.960 --> 00:50:55.760
it great really make it worth watching. Yeah, I think it it really

658
00:50:58.199 --> 00:51:02.320
held up over time, and I
really way. And you know, there's

659
00:51:02.480 --> 00:51:07.079
there's still things to be you know, spoken of as far as you know,

660
00:51:07.199 --> 00:51:14.760
invading the natural world and you know, not respecting you know, this

661
00:51:15.079 --> 00:51:17.480
earth that we've been given. So
I think if you're hitting up some of

662
00:51:17.480 --> 00:51:23.199
those you know, late eighties,
early nineties stories, this is one of

663
00:51:23.199 --> 00:51:31.360
the better ones. This film and
the message it delivers still relevant aged very

664
00:51:31.400 --> 00:51:38.159
well. I would strongly recommend you
catch this thing is currently you're going to

665
00:51:38.239 --> 00:51:43.199
have to buy it for like ten
bucks. On Amazon like buy a DVD

666
00:51:43.559 --> 00:51:51.239
or you're going to have to watch
the the glorious eighty five VHS quality YouTube

667
00:51:51.360 --> 00:51:55.840
version, which will certainly take you
back to another time if you're a fan

668
00:51:55.880 --> 00:52:01.400
of nostalgia. But but once too
watch, I think he'll be willing to

669
00:52:01.480 --> 00:52:06.320
spring the ten bucks to get the
DVD. Yeah, for sure, absolutely

670
00:52:06.360 --> 00:52:12.119
absolutely. What do you think about
Sir John Borman's The Emerald Forest? Let

671
00:52:12.199 --> 00:52:16.679
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672
00:52:16.800 --> 00:52:22.119
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673
00:52:22.159 --> 00:52:28.440
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674
00:52:28.480 --> 00:52:32.320
for our Star Trek theme series,
Phasers Set to Stun. Dave Scott and

675
00:52:32.360 --> 00:52:37.119
Wayne did a great job recapping some
of Star Trek's best news shows. For

676
00:52:37.199 --> 00:52:42.480
those of you wanting to dive into
Star Trek the Next Generation but maybe don't

677
00:52:42.480 --> 00:52:45.920
have the time to watch twenty two
hour long episodes, they'll give you their

678
00:52:45.960 --> 00:52:52.159
top ten can't miss episodes for Star
Trek the Next Generation Season one, and

679
00:52:52.519 --> 00:52:58.639
next week on a Film Behin,
we'll trade the dangers of the Rainforest for

680
00:52:58.760 --> 00:53:05.679
the treacherous Climb of K two with
Martin Campbell's vertical limit. Thanks, thanks

681
00:53:05.679 --> 00:53:27.960
for listening me