John Hughes - She's Having a Baby

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You know, Brad, I was
thinking, we we're in our fourth season,

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we have talked about some of our
favorite directors, and recently I was

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thinking, how have we not covered
John Hues at this point? Well,

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I mean we've touched on him a
little bit with Ferris Builardy off, but

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granted that was a nineteen eighty six
episode. Yeah, well, I think

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I think it's time to do do
do do the man some justice. You

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want to talk about you want to
talk about him? Yeah, I mean

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I think considering that right now,
I am in my in laws and next

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door to me, my son is
asleep. I think we should talk about

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a film by John Hughes, his
nineteen eighty eight romantic coming of age comedy

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She's having a Baby. Hello everybody, and welcome back to a film by

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I'm Jeff Johnson. I am Brad
Kozo, Brad we I'm I'm excited,

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man. We are finally getting to
talk about John Hughes. As you mentioned,

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you know, we we kind of
talked about him on our nineteen eighty

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sixth episode for Ferris Spieler's Day Off, but uh, yeah, but not

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you know deep like you know analysis
film. I this is a perfect timing

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too. I mean, you are
you're a new father. You know you've

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been at it for for just a
little bit. Yeah, I've been at

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it for a little over a year
now. Yeah, and uh, I

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gotta I gotta imagine a movie like
She's having a baby, because I know

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you saw this a long time ago
like I did. But I imagine this

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has got to hit a little bit
different for you nowadays now right. I

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think it does for any um person
going into adulthood really. I mean,

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whether it's once you hit that,
it the movie kind of changes. I

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enjoyed the film before a lot,
actually, and I was excited to talk

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about it. I was like,
but now I look at it in a

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different way, and I definitely understand
where Jake is coming from. Yeah,

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as I say, you probably identify
a lot more with Kevin Bacon nowadays.

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Oh yeah, yeah, I've just
seen this film. Well that's that's awesome.

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Well look for the listeners that don't
that haven't seen this movie, or

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maybe it's it's never been on the
radar. What is what give us?

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Bread Kozo's rendition of what this film's
all about? Okay, young wanna be

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writer Jake Briggs or Briggsy and his
newlywed wife, Christie are about to become

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adults. When the reality of balancing
college, work, a mortgage, and

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a happy marriage doesn't seem enough,
they decide to have a baby. The

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whole process of having a baby is
laid out in front of Jake, and

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he is surrounded by pressure from his
parents, his wife, his sperm count,

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his co workers, and his best
friend Davis, who plays like a

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devil on Jake's shoulder. Will Jake
take the plunge into being a responsible family

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man by balancing a writing career simultaneously
funny and heartwarming at the same time.

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Genuinely underrated film A film by John
Hughes. She's having a baby. Thank

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you, Brad. That's it's fantastic. I'm ready to watch it again.

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After after hearing that, speaking of
ready to watch it again, I gotta

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ask you what what's going on in
the late eighties, because I kind of

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feel like the baby genre kind of
kicked things off, or it became its

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own thing. Because you got in
eighty seven, I think you got you

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got baby boom with Diana Keaton.
You got three men in a baby,

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which we we've all seen and loved
John the mu the Hughes Muse herself,

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Molly Ringwald, she does for Keeps
in nineteen eighty eight and then, uh,

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look who's talking. I think it's
either eighty nine or ninety. Yeah,

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I say, yeah, there was
a big baby. Babies are funny,

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you know type of thing or um
career woman or career person, bachelor

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stuck with a child and must you
know, turn it all around. Yeah,

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that was a big That was a
big thing for the eighties, the

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baby. The baby. Like in
the nineties when every action movie pitch was

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it's die Hard in a blank or
die Hard on a blank. I kind

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of feel like this, like in
the There was the Baby thing was like,

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well, it's like you said,
it's it's the career woman with a

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baby. It's yeah, bachelor's with
a baby. It's so they're they're just

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trying to figure out how to have
a baby, like right, and it

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weird thore that kind of it kind
of tapers off though, like yeah,

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I mean, I know we got
a couple of sequels to look Who's talking,

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but that kind of skipped you know, by the end of that movie

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that Genres they're talking, the dogs
are talking. But yeah, well you

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can only do so much with babies, and that's the thing. It's like

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they can only do only do so
much. Yeah, well, I guess

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I guess that's I guess it was
a short lived It had to be a

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short lived subgenre. Oh yeah,
it was. Well, let's talk a

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little bit about this cast, Brad, because there there's uh, there's some

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great people involved in this one,
obviously. You know, stars Kevin Bacon

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who uh you know eighties royalty at
this point, right, yeah, and

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definitely goes from playing cool guy to
uh, every day you know, nervous,

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you know, fearful guy you know
very well too. You know,

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he's he's really versatile in this Yeah, he is no longer the the cool

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hip Ran McCormick fighting the system right
right right, He's he's trying to make

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a earn a paycheck and provide for
He's a little skinnier, yeah, you

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know, and stuff like that.
You know, he's a little bit more,

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a lot more dorky. You're absolutely
right, and I gotta I gotta

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hand it to him in this one
because we know that his character is a

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little neurotic, has has some anxiety
and really doesn't feel one hundred percent happy

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about his situation, being married and
doing all the stuff he's doing. You

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know, he's got a little bit
of Peter Pan syndrome. Kevin Bacon plays

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that so well with his face in
this movie. I think, yeah,

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yeah, I mean it's and it's
just looking his just kind of stare into

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nothingness, like when there's there's a
couple of scenes where he's just kind of

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staring off and thinking. I'm like, you really do know what he's thinking?

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Yeah, what'd you think about Elizabeth
McGovern on this one? I mean,

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I think she's very good in it. I feel the only thing that

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is kind of maybe hurting the movie
is she's not given enough to do and

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it could come off to audiences as
a little bit of a nag, like

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like, for instance, my wife. It's not that she doesn't like this

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movie. She does. She has
a problem with Eliza McGovern's character, and

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I think to some audience it feels
like she is a little pushy in times.

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But I don't feel like that was
the intention at all, and I

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don't think it was the actress's fault. It just it seemed that way.

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You know, you make a good
point too, because you know this is

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the this is late eighties, it's
really easy for that trope to be like

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the crazy wife, you know,
the pregnant ladies going through all her hormones,

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and she's she's crazy. I think
you're onto something there, like what

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you're talking with the missus, not
really like in her character. I don't

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think it's intentional, but she does
come off a little sometimes a little icy

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and sometimes a little unlikable, but
she's adorable. Yeah, And you don't

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really get to see the kind of
the cuteness of them being a couple until

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that montage with the kit Bler's song
at the end. Then you see these

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really kind of funny moments with her, which I wish would have been incorporated

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a little bit into scenes and I
think would have had her character come out

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a little bit more liked. All
right, well, we gotta talk about

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we gotta talk about that montage.
I got a note about that for later

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on. Um. Speaking of characters
that you that you like, Alec Baldwin

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as Davis McDonald, Oh god,
he's great. Yeah, Okay, he's

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great, but you know, watching
this, you know, watching this years

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later, I'm like, man,
he's he's he's a scumbag, Like this

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is he's your best friend, but
this is not the best friend that I

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think he want. Right Um,
in this situation, you kind of do

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need that best friend because he is
he is Jake's inner thoughts. You know,

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he says a lot of stuff that
that Jake sometimes feel and he knows

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that he feels it, and he
kind of tells him. And you know,

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you can even maybe take in the
consideration that a lot of those conversations

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or maybe not even existing because it
seems like he has the fight with the

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girlfriend and then he takes he goes
upstairs, and then he goes downstairs to

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have drinks with Jake and then goes
back up. So yeah, but I

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think he's great in it because you
do need that person telling you you could

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live like me. But then when
you finally see how empty Davis is,

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it, Yeah, so he needsing
to grow up and to kind of outgrow

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him. That's a good point.
I mean, I love the Your Your

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Angel on the Shoulder analogy there,
because like at the beginning of the movie,

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when you know it's it's the day
of the wedding and he's he's running,

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he's late because he's sitting in Davis's
car and Davis is like, hey,

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you say the word and we're out
of here, man quick you know?

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Is that Ferris is Ferrari Cameron's dad
Ferrari? You know what I looked,

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you know, to to confirm it. I could not confirm it,

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but I'm not confirm it guarantee.
That's that's that's that is Uh, that's

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mister Fries Uh nineteen sixty nine Ferrari
to fifty GT. California. It's gotta

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be man like, yeah, I
guess it got rebuild. Well, you

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gotta keep in mind though, you
know, and I'll you know, quickly,

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I'll say this, but uh,
you know, he was in pre

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production on this movie while he's finishing
Ferris and he's shooting he's got uh,

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I think he's got great outdoors and
planes, trains and almobiles. All these

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are happening at the exact same time. Which blows my mind, how because

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I know he didn't direct all of
them, obviously, but the idea that

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he could be involved in that many
major projects at the same time, because

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there's some crossover with the cast.
You know, Um, some of the

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people that you see in this movie
you see in planes and planes, trains

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and almobiles. You see him,
you know, you see him in uh

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in the Great Outdoors. So I
think it's I think it's the Ferrari.

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I think it's gotta be. Yeah, I think it is good good call

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though. Uh yeah, back to
Jake's Jake and Davis in the car.

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Yeah yeah, but you know he's
you're right. He tells him like,

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you know, he does the best
friend thing where it's like, look,

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man, you say the word more
out of here. But he also does

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the best friend thing where he's like, look, you know you gotta do

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this. This is you fell in
love, you've been with You've been in

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love with your whole life. And
but I appreciate Davis in that scene,

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and he's funny when he comes to
visit with that that coked up model.

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Yeah, you know, who's just
a who's just the worst. But when

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he shows up, uh later on
in the film after his father passes away,

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and this is like, you know, you're you're kind of led to

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believe like this is my chance,
this is your chance to see a tender

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side of Jake or i'm sorry,
tender side of of Davis. And you

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know the wall's coming down, but
he makes a move on Kevin Bacon's wife.

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Yeah, that's that's that's a that's
a that's a bad play man.

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That's that's a scumback move. And
I have a feeling with his father passing,

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he lost his meal ticket at point
because you know, I believe he

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worked for his father. You know, they she met. Christie mentions it

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like, you know, into things. She's like for his father's company,

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and he might have gotten like one
of those kids that got left out of

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the wheel or something, and he
has nothing. He's just and that's what

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he sees. After that, they're
like, he's become nothing. You know,

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all this stuff was for was basically
for nothing, and now he's lost

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because he lost his father. All
I know is you do not You do

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not ask your best friend's wife to
give you a kiss a night, even

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and even when he gives like the
reason, like the reason why he wants

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it, it's so heartfelt, and
you for a quick second you buy into

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it. You're like, you know
what that's he's he's he's got a good

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point. You know, he's just
looking for that that that human connection.

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But then he makes the move and
you know, and Christy, you know

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Elizabeth mcgovernan. She's got to stop
him. She's like, not not in

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this lifetime, you know. Speaking
of Elizabeth mcgovernor, back to her real

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quick. Did you realize this is
not this is the first movie she does

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with Kevin Bacon, but it was. It's it's not the first opportunity she

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had. Did you realize that she
in Friday the Thirteenth or something? Oh?

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I wish, uh no, but
she actually she and Eineen eighty four,

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she had She was up for the
role of Ariel in Footloose. She

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actually turned it down to do another
movie. I don't think that would have

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worked, not wild enough. I
wouldn't believe a preachers preacher's daughter. Yeah,

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Elizabeth, you can played one of
the friends, but not Ariel.

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I kind of wondered, you know, because she she's one of these these

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uh these nineteen eighties sweethearts. I
always thought, like, whatever happened to

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her? I don't remember seeing or
anything. Um, I don't watch the

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show. I don't think you do
either, but I guess she's like a

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major player on Downton Abbey. Yeah
I did know that. Oh, okay,

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Well, when you watch award shows, you're always seeing clips for Downton

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Abbey. So there it always is. It's always popping up on our thing.

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I heard it's great though. One
of these days maybe I'll get to

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it. You know, John Favreau's
character in the MCU, he loves Downton

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Abbey. So if Hogan, if
Happy likes it, it's gotta be speaking

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to people that love. This movie. One of Kevin Smith's favorite films.

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And I believe this was an inspiration
for Jersey Girl. You're kidding me.

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No, he loves she is having
a baby, wow, and very vocal

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about that. I don't know if
I used that. Yeah, he said

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the Jersey Girl. This movie was
a huge influence on Jersey Girl. Now

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that you're saying that, I can
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kind of see a little bit.
You know Ben Affleck's character needing to grow

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up and needing to you know,
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does in this movie. That makes
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me one and watch Jersey Girl.
I was just at I was just at

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his store in Jersey We were just
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So yeah, sadly Smartcastle was closed
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to stop into the secret stash and
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always a pleasure there. But I
don't know who else you want to talk

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about, Brad, but I gotta
I gotta say William Wyndham, who plays

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uh Elizabeth mcgoffern's dad, Russ Bainbridge. He might be my favorite character in

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the whole movie. I'm just gonna
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He is definitely a scene stealer.
I mean, from the beginning of the

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movie of you know, where is
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to the rolling of the eyes in
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the way he is with his wife
in a way he treats his do,

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I mean, and he's just just
just craps on Jake's so bad, you

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know, and but you know some
of those things that like, I really

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like that scene right after he kind
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when he said, like, you
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make. Two can't live on with
you make And he's like no, and

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he's actually not wrong. Oh,
he's he's busting balls at that dinner scene

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and but he's he's you know,
he's it's it's the tough love talk,

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you know. Yeah, you know
that that apa has to give a child

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and yeah with a John Us twist. Yeah, I like that. Speaking

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of John Used twist, I feel
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gotta start looking for the Easter eggs, right because I you know, I'm

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sure you picked up on when they
when they buy their first house, it's

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it's Schermer Realty, Schermer Realty.
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universe of the fictional world of Schrmer
Illinois. Um. I also noticed the

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remember you do you remember when we
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Speeler's day Off? Yeah, did
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and then caught it this time. I

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I seen it when this last watch, I seen Kevin Bacon's license plate shab

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and I was like, that means
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sudden, I'm like, wait,
and then that's a it's a quick one

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though, it's easy. It's yeah, she's having a baby. So I

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love that. I absolutely love that. Uh, Brad, we gotta talk

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about about some of these these moments, there's so many. I mean,

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it's a John Used movie, so
there's so many funny scenes. Right,

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Let's let's talk about some funny scenes
like you know, what what what's one

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that? What do you have a
go to on? This one? Um?

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The first um scene of the neighborhood
barbecue, you know, where he's

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talking to John Ashton and Larry Hankin, and Larry Hankin is so funny all

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the time. He's great and plain
strains all of those He's great in this.

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He's great and happy Gilmore, he's
always fun. But the way they

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prioritize lawn vehicles, tubing hoses for
your you know, it's ays. It's

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a talk that does exists. And
Jake realize that he's in this world now,

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you know, it's like, holy, he goes, I'm a part

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of this, I'm in this community. I'm in the suburb home, you

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know, and Christie's over there and
the women are doing the back and forth

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talking that is full on mom.
You know, the way they talk to

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their kids, the way they talk
to their husband. It's very relatable.

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At this one of my first funny
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hell did we do? We bought
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are crazy. I love that moment
because Ashton is just unrefined. He's like,

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you know, two things I like
about you, Briggsy, your wife

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and your mower, and without skipping
up beat Hankins like I've seen your wife?

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What kind of mower you gout?
You know? And then they get

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into this big thing about that.
You're right that exists, like the debate

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over brands for power tools and for
mowers. Like I love that scene that

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it's hilarious. Uh, you're and
you're right, you know, on the

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flip side, Christie's sitting there and
you know they're talking about the PTA and

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you know, the kids and this
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Jacob. Do I belong here?
You know? Do I long? You

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know, I don't feel like I'm
one of them, but now I'm one

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of them. You know, I
feel like a straight out of college,

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you know, rider gonna write some
Jack Cure, Ac Hunter S Thompson type

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of stuff, and instead I'm writing
ads for you know, baby food and

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stuff like that. But you know, like he said, he goes,

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but at least always being paid to
write. So I definitely identify with that

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of that you come into age,
you're like, when did this happen?

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When did I grow up? You
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all these responsibilities. So it really
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think one scene that obviously they play
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ridiculous side, but it's still there's
a lot of truth to it is the

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uh getting ready for bed when they're
gonna have sex, yeah, and Kevin

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Bacon's like, can we you know, can we have sex? He's like

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psyching him up, you know himself
up, can we have sex? We're

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gonna have sex? Do you wanna
have you know? And he's doing like

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the the spacial thing, spraying the
cologne around on the pillows and down down

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his briefs and you know that scene. And when she comes in and she's,

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oh yeah, blowing all the stuff
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But back to Russ Bainbridge. The
thing that makes me that cracks me up

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about this movie, or about this
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he picked you know, he's got
the photo a little four by six photo

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of her day. Ye picks it
up. He's like, Russ, the

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things I'm gonna do to your daughter? And then like you cut back and

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he's Russ has got like a shocked
face. I crack up every time I

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see that photo. Man, it's
it makes me, It makes me laugh.

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What else you got, Brad?
Yeah, I know, I know,

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I know there's gotta be a nice
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think it's a funny scene. But
and I think this is a scene that

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hurts the Christy character when um,
he was having trouble, you know,

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when they're having trouble conceiving, and
she goes my father's or my mother said,

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my father had to say, and
she's when he's told your mother,

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you told your mother and he does
like, you know, the the John

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Hughes kind of montage and like why
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But I can imagine what Jake is
feeling right out because he doesn't even feel

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like a you know, a man, you know, and and all this

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stuff, and he's got a low
sperm count and now as in laws,

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no and just or Jake I felt
so bad for him there. But that's

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still a funny as hell scene,
you know, the scene you talked about

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where where Russ tells him you know, three can't live on what you make,

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two can't make two can make it. I think that might be one

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one of my favorite funny moments.
Uh. And it's again it's back to

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the comedic timing of William Wyndham when
you know, he's talking about how he

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wants a picture. You know,
it's like, I got a picture of

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her on my desk, I want
a picture of a grandchild and yeah,

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and his wife is kind of like
in her own little world talking about how

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difficult you know, and it's it's
a's just interesting because is it kind of

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sets up the ending of this movie. But she's talking about how difficult it

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was for her to conceive, you
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this, and when he stops and
he's like, you are all right now?

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Yeah he said him too. Because
we've seen married couples or uncles and

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aunts and stuff that you know,
been married for thirty something years or more.

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They talk like that to each other. They do yeah, like yeah

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they tritaking. You're taking his grilling
abilities you know, yeah, you know,

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are awful. His grilling abilities are
awful. He only yeah, yeah,

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how down't you get it? Burnt
to a Christma once side in blood?

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Is this dirt is? Oh man, he's He's fantastic. I absolutely

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love him in this role. Um. Now, what did you think of

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the scenes featuring the girl? Okay, so this is something I'm glad you

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asked because I want to talk about
I want to talk about that real quick,

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because correct me if I'm wrong,
you know, And I know we'll

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get to his filmography here in a
little in a little bit, but this

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is kind of the first time where
John Us takes a little bit of a

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creative turn, because this movie has, um, what do you want to

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call him like these these fantasy elements, like these like dream sequences if you

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will. Yeah, um, you
know, the the fantasy girl, the

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model whatever you want to call her, the disco girl. She she plays

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into that. I get that they
had to, you know, give him

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some kind of um temptation, you
know. And that that actress, she's

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she's gorgeous, you know her.
That French accent is amazing. Um.

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It's kind of weird though, you
know, because like he sees her.

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Then he sees her, he sees
her at the at the nightclub, then

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he Caesar he dreams about her,
and it's like, which is a funny

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moment, you know how Christy interrupts
the dream and then you know Caesar at

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the ad agency. I don't know. I kind of wonder whether or not

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this movie would have done better without
the fantasy elements. What do you think?

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Um, I don't know. I
kind of I like that Jake is

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basically creating these, you know,
scenarios for himself because they don't start to

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laughter. Davis and that girl show
up and he sees he's got this like

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hot young girlfriend. You know him
and Davis is the same age. And

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then he tries to take Christy to
a nightclub and that that's the first time

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he sees this girl. And I
feel like it's more of I'm imagining this,

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what if that girl came in here
right now? You know, this

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is imagining what I would say.
I think he's I think he's playing off

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of it in his head. Okay, good point, But speaking of it,

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he does have to have that struggle, you know, that's a struggle

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that everybody goes through, you know, and it's hold onto that last part

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of youth and you know, being
single, or do you do you move

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on and you go all the way
with baby wife. You know, it's

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like you gotta make a choice,
and he obviously makes the right choice.

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Speaking of fantasy UH sequences, imagine
if you will a quick second, the

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original people in mind to play uh, Kevin Bacon and Alec Baldwin's roles.

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We almost we We originally were looking
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Too old at that point, too
old at that point, yeah he had

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he had aged out, but more
so strange, Curtis Armstrong was originally in

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line for the Davis role that Alec
Baldwin took. Curtis arms You're you're you're

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looking puzzled. How about I use
his his most famous name, booger Ohurtis

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Armstrong, you know Revenge of the
Nerds and Better Off Dead. Yeah,

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I could see him being the the
you know, the fun wild zany friend

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that's that's trying to pull you back
to to your childhood and trying to keep

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you from growing up. But he
could I don't think he needed like I

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think Davis needed to be kind of
a yuppie scumbag you know. Yeah,

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yeah, so he needed he needed
to show the good life. I could

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have seen, um, so John
Travolta for the part of Alec Baldwan's character

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or for Jake. No, for
for Jake. You know what, I

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think Cusack Cusack could have done it. Cus Cusack could have definitely done it.

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If Bacon wasn't available, I think
Cusack could have done it. Yeah,

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the studio said absolutely not when John
Travolta was mentioned. But to your

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point, if Kevin Bacon is not
available, I could easily see John Cusack

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and Curtis Armstrong because they had great
chemistry and better off dead. Yeah,

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I could see that one working as
a as a what if as a possibility

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that that would have been cool,
that one, That one would have been

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kind of cool. You keep you
do? You keep Elizabeth McGovern in the

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mix? Are are you gonna?
Yeah? Yeah? All right, Well

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we're gonna take a quick break,
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what we're talking about director writer John
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friendship, which is better Van Halen
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think Van Hagar has better music.
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it's Van You're wrong. What about
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thriller out Thriller obviously best seller ever? No, no, see, people

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tricked themselves and believe that it's actually
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to America. Trade Places is the
funnier movie out of this this down.

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No. Coming to America is the
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Harrison Ford Batman. Oh yeah,
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discussed Raiders of the Lost Dark Presses
back to the future to find out the

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answer. Welcome back to a film
buy. As we talk about director,

406
00:28:26.960 --> 00:28:33.039
writer, producer John Hughes, I
mean, a world without John Hughes,

407
00:28:33.920 --> 00:28:38.480
it is sometimes kind of boring,
you know. I would say it's been

408
00:28:38.480 --> 00:28:41.960
boring since since we've lost him,
you know, and at least at least

409
00:28:41.960 --> 00:28:45.920
in the film world. I mean, who would have Who would have known

410
00:28:45.000 --> 00:28:49.839
what we have gotten if he just
kept going? But I mean what a

411
00:28:49.880 --> 00:28:53.200
body of work. And like you
said, I mean with great outdoors and

412
00:28:53.279 --> 00:28:59.839
furs, bueller and there was It
seemed to be every year of the eighties

413
00:29:00.240 --> 00:29:03.440
and even a few up into the
nineties, something was associated with John.

414
00:29:03.559 --> 00:29:10.079
He was doing something every every year. Well, you're absolutely right, And

415
00:29:10.359 --> 00:29:12.960
uh, if you'd like, I
can tell you a little bit about the

416
00:29:14.000 --> 00:29:15.880
origin, like where where did where
did he come from? And how did

417
00:29:15.920 --> 00:29:22.680
he get started? Hit me up? Surprisingly, he grew up in gross

418
00:29:22.720 --> 00:29:26.960
Point, Michigan as a big fan
of the Detroit Red Rings. So I

419
00:29:27.000 --> 00:29:30.599
know you had. We had talked
about Ferris Spieler earlier. The reason I

420
00:29:30.759 --> 00:29:37.640
never understood why a Cameron wore a
Gordy Howe Red Wings jersey right because they

421
00:29:37.640 --> 00:29:40.319
were in Chicago. Because they were
in Chicago. Why why wasn't he a

422
00:29:40.400 --> 00:29:45.119
Blackhawks fan? Well, that's because
John Hughes is a Red Wings fan.

423
00:29:45.279 --> 00:29:48.359
And that that jersey that Cameron's wearing, that was actually a gift from the

424
00:29:48.559 --> 00:29:55.440
actual Gordy how So how about how
about that? At any rate? Uh,

425
00:29:55.839 --> 00:29:59.480
he was a self described quiet kid. He cited Bob Dylan, the

426
00:29:59.480 --> 00:30:04.880
Beatles, and Picasso as his heroes, mainly because they never let themselves get

427
00:30:04.880 --> 00:30:10.319
comfortable in their respective Media's quite a
quite an eclectic group, wouldn't you say?

428
00:30:10.599 --> 00:30:17.240
Yeah. Nineteen sixty three, here's
where inspiration begins. The family moves

429
00:30:17.279 --> 00:30:23.279
to the Chicago suburbs. He attends
Glenbrook North High which will be his his

430
00:30:23.359 --> 00:30:29.480
main inspiration for several of his movies
when he grows up. So every time

431
00:30:29.519 --> 00:30:34.160
you see a high school setting,
we have Glenbrook North to thank for that.

432
00:30:34.680 --> 00:30:40.000
Okay, after school though, he
uh, he goes, he goes,

433
00:30:40.240 --> 00:30:42.279
he goes to college. He drops
out of the University of Arizona.

434
00:30:42.400 --> 00:30:45.759
And here's what I can't figure out, Brad. He starts selling jokes to

435
00:30:45.960 --> 00:30:51.400
comedians like Rodney Dangerfield and Joan Rivers. How is that even possible? I

436
00:30:51.440 --> 00:30:55.119
gotta ask you, because I know
you're in the business, but you're you're

437
00:30:55.160 --> 00:31:00.039
writing monologues. You know, when
those guys are popping up on those circuit

438
00:31:00.079 --> 00:31:03.960
shows, those variety shows, you
know, they get six seven minutes.

439
00:31:04.039 --> 00:31:07.400
You know, it's like, help
me come up with six seven minutes of

440
00:31:07.480 --> 00:31:10.640
material, you know. And he
was, you know, he's you know,

441
00:31:10.720 --> 00:31:12.319
he's what's I mean? Obviously he
knew what was funny and it's probably

442
00:31:12.319 --> 00:31:15.599
a good get his name out there. Yeah, well he does know what's

443
00:31:15.599 --> 00:31:21.640
funny, because in nineteen seventy he
goes to work as an advertising copywriter in

444
00:31:21.720 --> 00:31:26.880
Chicago. His work on the Virginia
Slims account takes him to New York City

445
00:31:26.000 --> 00:31:30.920
quite often, where he gets the
opportunity to stop into the offices of National

446
00:31:32.000 --> 00:31:38.359
Lampoon's magazine. Quickly, he becomes
a regular contributor, offering up comedic stories

447
00:31:38.400 --> 00:31:44.640
about family trips and the trials and
tribulations of teenage life, obviously one of

448
00:31:44.640 --> 00:31:48.440
his most famous ones. An early
story with the with the magazine called Vacation

449
00:31:48.559 --> 00:31:53.160
fifty eight. I think you know
what that would what movie that would come

450
00:31:53.160 --> 00:31:57.880
to right, be vacation. I
mean sometimes you forget he did all these

451
00:31:57.920 --> 00:32:00.759
two. Yeah, it would be
vacation. Speaking of vacation, Brad,

452
00:32:00.799 --> 00:32:05.160
I gotta, I gotta quickly,
Uh, I gotta, I gotta.

453
00:32:05.240 --> 00:32:08.000
I gotta shout out our friends again
at the Shirtley You Can't Be Serious podcast

454
00:32:08.519 --> 00:32:14.000
today, as our listeners are hearing
hearing us talk about John Us, she's

455
00:32:14.000 --> 00:32:16.680
having a baby, they are doing
one of their famous matchups. They're actually

456
00:32:16.680 --> 00:32:22.599
talking about National Lampoon's vacation versus the
Great Outdoors. Really, you know that's

457
00:32:22.599 --> 00:32:25.440
gonna be an amazing episode. Uh, And listeners, I would tell you

458
00:32:27.000 --> 00:32:31.519
um for for a deeper dive of
John Us and to two other incredibly funny

459
00:32:31.519 --> 00:32:36.799
movies. You gotta check out the
Shirley Can't Be Serious podcasts because we're all

460
00:32:36.839 --> 00:32:43.680
we're all on the John Us trip
right now now. After an extensive run

461
00:32:43.720 --> 00:32:49.599
with the National Lampoon's magazine, Brad
his first screenplay National Lampoons Class Reunion comes

462
00:32:49.599 --> 00:32:52.759
out, does not do good.
Okay, I've heard of it, I've

463
00:32:52.759 --> 00:32:55.559
never seen it. I've never seen
it. I really would like to see

464
00:32:55.559 --> 00:33:00.079
it, but it's not It's noteworthy
that this is the second Move movie that

465
00:33:00.119 --> 00:33:07.240
has failed, following their massive success
in seventy eight for National Lampoon's Animal House.

466
00:33:07.559 --> 00:33:09.519
Okay, yeah, yeah, which
you know, our good friends Dave

467
00:33:09.559 --> 00:33:14.519
and Scott covered for us on a
film at forty five. But yeah,

468
00:33:14.559 --> 00:33:17.960
so I think after following following Animal
House, you get Movie Madness in eighty

469
00:33:19.000 --> 00:33:24.559
two, then you get Classroom Union
eighty three, So or might maybe eighty

470
00:33:24.640 --> 00:33:27.519
you know, I might, I
might be off of my years on that,

471
00:33:27.559 --> 00:33:32.160
but I know Jason Deal probably of
course correct us there. But he's

472
00:33:32.160 --> 00:33:37.799
not discouraged because in eighty three he
breaks out with not one but two amazing

473
00:33:37.839 --> 00:33:42.640
screenplays. He does Vacation and he
does Mister Mom and those movies obviously,

474
00:33:43.200 --> 00:33:45.880
yet he did Mister Mom. He
wrote Mister Mom. Yeah, yeah,

475
00:33:45.960 --> 00:33:49.559
I mean we we could have done
a whole episode just on his writing,

476
00:33:49.759 --> 00:33:53.160
you know. Yeah. After the
success Mister Mom in Vacation, Universal gives

477
00:33:53.200 --> 00:34:00.000
him a three picture deal and we
are off to the races. Yeah,

478
00:34:00.160 --> 00:34:04.640
just you, and you forget some
of the stuff that you you weren't even

479
00:34:04.680 --> 00:34:07.880
sure that he was a part of, like um Home Alone, you forgot

480
00:34:07.920 --> 00:34:13.079
you know, oh yeah he has
been Home Alone or Uncle Buck or you

481
00:34:13.119 --> 00:34:16.880
know, things that he wrote the
screenplay for The Miracle on thirty fourth Street,

482
00:34:16.920 --> 00:34:21.719
the remake. You know, just
he was still working like in the

483
00:34:21.800 --> 00:34:25.159
nineties, but on beloved films,
but kind of keeping his name a little

484
00:34:25.199 --> 00:34:30.480
under the radar. Well, it's
I think what it is is a even

485
00:34:30.599 --> 00:34:35.599
even if it's a screenplay by John
Ues, the movie feels like a John

486
00:34:35.679 --> 00:34:38.719
Used movie. Yeah, it's it's
it's just how it is. But before

487
00:34:38.719 --> 00:34:40.920
we talk about his stuff in the
nineties, because you're right, he was

488
00:34:40.960 --> 00:34:44.199
still he was still he was still
out there. He's still getting some stuff

489
00:34:44.199 --> 00:34:46.480
done. Let's let's go over his
philmography, Brad, because we're only we're

490
00:34:46.519 --> 00:34:52.280
only talking about eight movies, which
again directing, Yeah, which is amazing

491
00:34:52.280 --> 00:34:57.920
when you think about John Hughes,
because I always consider him like when you're

492
00:34:57.920 --> 00:35:01.199
when you're thinking of comedy directors in
the eighties, he's the king. He's

493
00:35:01.199 --> 00:35:05.719
got to be the king. And
only eight movies, Yeah, starting off

494
00:35:05.760 --> 00:35:09.360
in starting off in nineteen eighty four
with sixteen Candles. I mean, what

495
00:35:09.559 --> 00:35:15.440
hasn't been said about that movie.
I mean, it's it's hilarious. It's

496
00:35:15.119 --> 00:35:19.880
it's like it gets fun and out
of control when it needs to be.

497
00:35:20.039 --> 00:35:23.880
But it's just pure fun, you
know. And it's sure there's some things

498
00:35:23.880 --> 00:35:27.800
in there that maybe don't mix well
today, but it's just you know,

499
00:35:27.880 --> 00:35:31.159
it's just a coming of age thing
and it's it's all good fun. I

500
00:35:31.199 --> 00:35:36.079
think the great thing about sixteen Candles, and again we're talking about John Hughes,

501
00:35:36.119 --> 00:35:42.320
who is the king of of teen
angst in film. I think the

502
00:35:42.360 --> 00:35:45.840
thing that sets it off apart,
sets it apart from you know, everything

503
00:35:45.840 --> 00:35:51.719
that came before it. Before before
sixteen Candles, you had stuff like Porky's

504
00:35:51.800 --> 00:35:55.400
right, it was the zany goofy, you know, it was it was

505
00:35:55.440 --> 00:36:00.400
it wasn't like a closer look at
the insecure that kids have. Yeah it

506
00:36:00.480 --> 00:36:06.880
was. Yeah, it was usually
a male character, usually trying to lose

507
00:36:06.920 --> 00:36:10.599
their virginity or something sexual in nature, you know, going to that you

508
00:36:10.639 --> 00:36:15.880
know, some kind of resort or
you know, something like that. But

509
00:36:15.960 --> 00:36:20.960
yeah, they had focused more on
men. Were these were a little bit

510
00:36:21.000 --> 00:36:23.639
of balance. Yeah, this is
Molly Ringwald takes center stage. She's the

511
00:36:23.679 --> 00:36:29.280
star of the movie, and and
not you know, I have to believe

512
00:36:29.280 --> 00:36:32.519
it appeals to a lot of a
lot of female audience members, but it

513
00:36:32.559 --> 00:36:35.960
appealed to it appealed to us too, like, yeah, you were you

514
00:36:35.960 --> 00:36:39.079
were there with Molly Ringwald. You
felt your heartbroke for because they did her

515
00:36:39.079 --> 00:36:43.400
whole family does forget her birthday and
she's dealing with all this crap at school,

516
00:36:43.440 --> 00:36:45.519
and you know, and you wanted
to get what she wants. You

517
00:36:45.519 --> 00:36:51.119
know. Yeah, we were lucky
enough to not be sixteen yet, so

518
00:36:51.199 --> 00:36:53.199
we're like, yeah, that would
that would suck, That would be terrible.

519
00:36:53.679 --> 00:36:57.280
I agree with you, though,
that movie, as as amazing as

520
00:36:57.280 --> 00:37:00.360
it is, as funny as it
is, you could not make sixty Candles

521
00:37:00.360 --> 00:37:04.039
today. No, no, you
You could do a watered down version that's

522
00:37:04.039 --> 00:37:07.000
PG rated, but no, one
wouldn't want to watch that. Let's talk

523
00:37:07.000 --> 00:37:12.079
about what might I say, might
Brad what might be his greatest achievement nineteen

524
00:37:12.119 --> 00:37:15.679
eighty five is the Breakfast Club.
I think it's his most personal as far

525
00:37:15.760 --> 00:37:22.760
as teenage angst goes um. Sixteen
Candles was kind of the opening act,

526
00:37:22.320 --> 00:37:25.639
and then this one was like,
let's get red, you know, this

527
00:37:25.719 --> 00:37:29.840
was the real real world. Well, yeah, because this, I mean,

528
00:37:30.079 --> 00:37:34.599
it's it's it's hilarious, but it's
also you're getting like when they're doing

529
00:37:34.599 --> 00:37:37.960
like when when they're all kind of
getting getting lit, you know, in

530
00:37:37.000 --> 00:37:42.119
the library and they kind of start
getting real and you know, like Anthony

531
00:37:42.119 --> 00:37:45.920
Michael Hall's character breaks down and then
you start to see like, you know,

532
00:37:45.960 --> 00:37:50.639
even even the popular kids, the
the you know, yeah, every

533
00:37:50.639 --> 00:37:52.599
one of them happy, everyone had, everyone has, everyone has problems,

534
00:37:52.679 --> 00:37:55.960
right, Yeah, it's I don't
know, I love it. Cannot say

535
00:37:57.039 --> 00:38:00.000
enough good things about it. I
definitely cannot say enough good things about his

536
00:38:00.280 --> 00:38:07.280
second directorial effort of nineteen eighty five, talking about Weird Science. It's so

537
00:38:07.400 --> 00:38:13.280
great and it's so bad. I
mean, he kind of went that way

538
00:38:13.320 --> 00:38:19.280
of those comedies we were talking about
beforehand, but but making his characters be

539
00:38:19.960 --> 00:38:24.400
that way and be so nerdy and
what they're dealing with and just to give

540
00:38:24.480 --> 00:38:30.599
them that moment of being cool and
having one night of you know, having

541
00:38:30.639 --> 00:38:35.639
a great party, just and that's
at the end, that's really all they

542
00:38:35.719 --> 00:38:39.719
get. But it's still a hilarious
movie. Man. I wish I wish

543
00:38:39.800 --> 00:38:42.800
we could do an episode on that
movie, because I could, I could

544
00:38:42.840 --> 00:38:47.000
talk a while about one of my
eighties crushes, Judy Aaronson. Who you

545
00:38:47.039 --> 00:38:53.119
know who's in the movie. Uh, the yeah, no, the brunette.

546
00:38:53.440 --> 00:38:57.000
Okay, yeah, I remember her. She's in front. She's in

547
00:38:57.039 --> 00:39:00.320
what Friday the thirteenth, second,
one, third one? It's in She's

548
00:39:00.360 --> 00:39:04.760
also in Friday Thirteenth, the Final
Chapter. She's also in American Ninja.

549
00:39:05.039 --> 00:39:07.400
She's also Yeah, great age movies. But I'll tell you what a movie

550
00:39:07.400 --> 00:39:13.280
that came out last year on the
Paramount Plus network, thirteen Fanboy, which

551
00:39:13.360 --> 00:39:15.119
is awesome. She's in that.
She has a prominent role in that.

552
00:39:15.559 --> 00:39:23.519
Her D Wallace and several other prominent
Friday Thirteenth doctors and actresses alumni, if

553
00:39:23.519 --> 00:39:28.079
you will, Yeah, absolutely,
dude, It's it's one to check out.

554
00:39:28.320 --> 00:39:34.400
But check that out. Let's move
on to nineteen eighty seven. So

555
00:39:34.440 --> 00:39:38.400
we talked about, you know,
she's having a baby is kind of being

556
00:39:38.440 --> 00:39:45.280
shot and filmed the same time as
planes, trains, and automobiles. I

557
00:39:45.320 --> 00:39:49.039
got a question for you. Yeah, because Kevin Bacon, there's a lot

558
00:39:49.039 --> 00:39:53.960
of cross pollination here in these movies. Kevin Bacon plays the guy in New

559
00:39:54.039 --> 00:39:58.800
York City. That's that's competing with
Steve Martin for the cast. We know

560
00:39:59.719 --> 00:40:04.039
that that Jake is an ad exact
right. Is it possible in a huge

561
00:40:04.119 --> 00:40:07.119
multiverse, is it possible that we
the stranger that Steve Martin is going up

562
00:40:07.159 --> 00:40:10.679
against. Is it possible that that's
that that's Jake? Yes, I believe

563
00:40:10.679 --> 00:40:15.800
it is. You believe Jake.
Okay, just talked about this when we

564
00:40:15.920 --> 00:40:20.119
did the Plane Trains and Autobile's episode. I think we came to the conclusion

565
00:40:20.199 --> 00:40:24.599
that it was briggsy I I want
to believe it's it's Jake Briggs, Yeah,

566
00:40:24.719 --> 00:40:30.199
because that would just make it so
much better. Uh, absolutely,

567
00:40:30.239 --> 00:40:32.360
you know, and that's I think. Is this the first one that he

568
00:40:32.400 --> 00:40:37.239
does uh with John Candy? Because
I know they are they they become very

569
00:40:37.239 --> 00:40:39.320
close friends. And he's he shows
up obviously he's in the Great Outdoors.

570
00:40:40.119 --> 00:40:45.039
Yeah. Um, I mean I'm
sure that he had worked with him on

571
00:40:45.559 --> 00:40:49.320
you know, Vacation and oh that's
right, he was Vacation, right,

572
00:40:49.360 --> 00:40:53.079
Yeah, you're right, and then
Great Outdoors too, So I mean yeah,

573
00:40:53.119 --> 00:40:58.840
absolutely. Um. Eighty nine,
now you know eighty eight is she's

574
00:40:58.880 --> 00:41:00.559
having a baby. Eighty nine think
about this this string that he's on,

575
00:41:00.639 --> 00:41:05.800
man, Yeah, five eighty six, eighty seven? Is that is that

576
00:41:05.880 --> 00:41:09.199
your baby? Is that you already
crying? Baby? Audience? Oh boy,

577
00:41:09.719 --> 00:41:13.400
if he's if he's trying, If
he's crying, that may that might

578
00:41:13.480 --> 00:41:15.360
mean we're we got to wrap it
up here soon. But close, We're

579
00:41:15.360 --> 00:41:21.119
close, We're up to This is
just such a successful run. Nineteen eighty

580
00:41:21.199 --> 00:41:24.159
nine, Uncle Buck, you know
we're talking about John Candy again, Like

581
00:41:24.199 --> 00:41:28.119
this is where you know she's having
a baby. Kind of well, yeah,

582
00:41:28.119 --> 00:41:30.039
I guess you can make the argument
for planes, trains and ambie bills

583
00:41:30.079 --> 00:41:32.159
as well, but we've kind of
he's kind of moved on past the teen

584
00:41:32.239 --> 00:41:36.679
comedy life. Now it's now it's
you know, she's having a baby.

585
00:41:36.679 --> 00:41:38.760
It's all about being a young adult
and all this, and it starts segue

586
00:41:38.800 --> 00:41:42.639
into family right with plane strings and
ambibills. She's having a baby and Uncle

587
00:41:42.639 --> 00:41:45.800
Buck thoughts on Uncle Buck, Brad, I like it. I mean I

588
00:41:46.159 --> 00:41:51.079
like all of them. I've actually
like every one of his directing efforts.

589
00:41:51.519 --> 00:41:54.039
Sorry there's so few, but you
know, even our last one that we'll

590
00:41:54.039 --> 00:41:58.440
talk about it, I think is
if I remember correctly, you know,

591
00:41:58.480 --> 00:42:00.159
I ever really like, but Uncle
Buck's Greet, you know, and it's

592
00:42:00.199 --> 00:42:05.480
one of those movies that only works
for John Candy. It only works for

593
00:42:05.559 --> 00:42:09.000
him. I I was thinking about
this because I know we had a conversation

594
00:42:09.000 --> 00:42:14.800
about that. I can't think of
one person that could have played uh Buck

595
00:42:15.000 --> 00:42:16.400
the way the way Candy did.
I think you're right, that's that's that's

596
00:42:16.480 --> 00:42:22.119
John Candy's movie. Absolutely, So
he takes nineteen ninety off, or was?

597
00:42:22.159 --> 00:42:24.159
I mean I think he was.
I think he's probably writing home alone

598
00:42:24.159 --> 00:42:27.320
at that point, right, probably, yeah, probably, Yeah, I

599
00:42:27.360 --> 00:42:30.440
know, I know we don't have
time to get into all his amazing writings,

600
00:42:30.840 --> 00:42:32.360
fifty three writings, credits, Oh
gosh, we'd be here for a

601
00:42:32.360 --> 00:42:37.679
while. But let's talk about nineteen
ninety ones, Curly Sue. You know

602
00:42:37.719 --> 00:42:39.960
what. I haven't seen it in
a long time, but I remember when

603
00:42:40.000 --> 00:42:43.960
I saw it. I thought it
was funny. I thought it was good.

604
00:42:44.519 --> 00:42:46.519
I thought it was kind of a
heartwarming story. But it's a long

605
00:42:46.599 --> 00:42:50.840
time, so I don't know how
it would be now. I can tell

606
00:42:50.880 --> 00:42:53.800
you, um it had. It
had been probably about ten years for me,

607
00:42:54.039 --> 00:42:55.880
and I wanted to check it out
because I was like, you know,

608
00:42:57.239 --> 00:43:00.679
I remember it being cute and funny
and kind of heartwarming, and I

609
00:43:00.679 --> 00:43:02.480
thought, well, let me let
me go back. You know, how's

610
00:43:04.400 --> 00:43:06.440
how how does it hold up?
I gotta tell you, you know,

611
00:43:06.840 --> 00:43:10.440
Jim Belushi is just as funny you
know, now as he is then as

612
00:43:10.440 --> 00:43:15.639
he was then. Alison Porter,
who played Curly Sue, that girl is,

613
00:43:15.800 --> 00:43:19.000
she's adorable. She is she she
carries the movie I think in a

614
00:43:19.039 --> 00:43:22.519
big way. Um. Yeah,
I would definitely I would put that back

615
00:43:22.519 --> 00:43:25.599
on your on your rewatch list because
it is. It's fantastic, man,

616
00:43:27.000 --> 00:43:30.800
It's it's so good. Now we
know Curly Sue is his his last directorial

617
00:43:30.800 --> 00:43:35.559
effort. Um. And then actually
it was nineteen ninety four, Um,

618
00:43:35.599 --> 00:43:37.000
he kind of retired from the public
eye, you know, and he moved

619
00:43:37.039 --> 00:43:42.199
back to Chicago. Um around that
time, he really wasn't given a whole

620
00:43:42.239 --> 00:43:45.360
lot of interviews. I know he
I know they got him back in nineteen

621
00:43:45.440 --> 00:43:49.800
ninety nine to do an audio commentary
for Ferres Spieler's Day Off really but other

622
00:43:49.880 --> 00:43:52.880
than that, yeah, the the
the last edition, the last DVD edition

623
00:43:53.039 --> 00:43:57.400
of Ferre Spieler has his audio commentary. So that's something I definitely want to

624
00:43:57.400 --> 00:43:59.800
try to watch. I want to
hear that. Yeah, I just want

625
00:43:59.800 --> 00:44:02.159
to hear and here him on because
I've never heard a John Hues audio.

626
00:44:02.559 --> 00:44:07.039
I don't know about you. I
didn't think they would existed. Well,

627
00:44:07.480 --> 00:44:12.079
I know, we'd like to talk
about what we'd like to see next from

628
00:44:12.079 --> 00:44:14.800
from our our directors that we talked
about you know, true, you know,

629
00:44:14.800 --> 00:44:19.039
we know we can't talk about that. But Brad, you pitched a

630
00:44:19.159 --> 00:44:22.039
sequel to this movie to me a
couple weeks ago that I just thought,

631
00:44:22.159 --> 00:44:24.960
oh my gosh, could we please
have that? You want you want to

632
00:44:24.960 --> 00:44:30.199
tell us a little bit about that. So I think what would be great

633
00:44:30.239 --> 00:44:35.880
to see is some of the stuff
that was kind of gone through very quick

634
00:44:35.920 --> 00:44:39.400
through the montage in the hospital.
I would like to see Jake dealing with

635
00:44:39.559 --> 00:44:46.000
trying to babyproof the house, build
a crib um, you know all those

636
00:44:46.000 --> 00:44:50.960
things, install a car seat,
deal with like that, you know that

637
00:44:51.079 --> 00:44:57.320
kind of stuff and this and seeing
him is frustrate as he is of dealing

638
00:44:57.360 --> 00:45:00.440
with her just getting up to having
the baby. He would be just as

639
00:45:00.519 --> 00:45:05.800
bad during the beginning process of it. So I think the sequels should be

640
00:45:05.840 --> 00:45:08.119
called She had the Baby, and
we get to see Jake and at least

641
00:45:08.440 --> 00:45:14.039
the first six months or first couple
of months of the baby being there.

642
00:45:14.639 --> 00:45:17.920
I kind of feel like you need
to write it only because I've had so

643
00:45:17.960 --> 00:45:22.039
many conversations with you the past twelve
months. You live that life, and

644
00:45:22.280 --> 00:45:25.199
yeah, boy, was it comedic
some of the stuff you had for me.

645
00:45:25.280 --> 00:45:30.280
I thinking of the character of Jake, and I'm like, he would

646
00:45:30.320 --> 00:45:32.159
have such a hard time with some
of this stuff, because yeah, it's

647
00:45:32.199 --> 00:45:36.400
some of it's really difficult. Well, I'm gonna throw something at you,

648
00:45:36.519 --> 00:45:39.679
Brad. You know we talked about
the you know you mentioned at the beginning.

649
00:45:40.440 --> 00:45:44.039
Think about what we what we missed
out on because we lost him at

650
00:45:44.119 --> 00:45:51.039
such a young age. I've got
a list of unproduced screenplays that John Hughes

651
00:45:51.079 --> 00:45:54.280
wrote. Oh boy, now I'm
going to pitch three of them, and

652
00:45:54.400 --> 00:45:59.239
you tell me which one you would
like to see the most. Okay?

653
00:45:59.320 --> 00:46:02.159
Is that fair? Okay? All
right? And I think Jason and d

654
00:46:02.280 --> 00:46:07.119
would have loved this because, uh, this first one and the second one

655
00:46:07.159 --> 00:46:13.800
are a versus type of situation.
All right, So motor heads versus sportos.

656
00:46:14.400 --> 00:46:17.800
This was gonna be John uses suburban
west side story like a Romeo and

657
00:46:17.840 --> 00:46:22.400
Juliet but in the suburbs of Chicago, you know, and we know motor

658
00:46:22.440 --> 00:46:25.280
heads, we know sportos. That's
that's a fairish bueler, you know.

659
00:46:25.559 --> 00:46:31.199
Yeah. Term, So there's there's
one that that sadly went unproduced. This

660
00:46:31.239 --> 00:46:36.000
one I think would have been hilarious. Uh. In nineteen ninety one,

661
00:46:36.039 --> 00:46:43.039
he wrote Bartholomeule versus Neff. This
was about neighbors feuding neighbors, and it

662
00:46:43.079 --> 00:46:47.840
was gonna star Sylvester Stallone and John
Candy. Okay, I like that.

663
00:46:47.840 --> 00:46:52.400
That's another second versus one. Now
here's where we go in a whole new

664
00:46:52.440 --> 00:46:59.039
direction. Um nineteen eighty three,
Warner Brothers had acquired the rights to Charlie

665
00:46:59.039 --> 00:47:05.400
Brown and he was looking at doing
a live action Peanuts movie, and you

666
00:47:05.400 --> 00:47:07.679
know, he was going to write
it, direct it, produce it.

667
00:47:07.320 --> 00:47:12.280
So you know, and Brett,
I'm I'm cherry picking here. There's like

668
00:47:12.280 --> 00:47:15.599
twenty there's like twenty of them.
But uh, you know, and if

669
00:47:15.840 --> 00:47:22.039
obviously, yeah, I would say
the Stallone Candy living next to each other

670
00:47:22.159 --> 00:47:25.320
thing. Yeah, Bartholomeo versus Nef. Yes, I think I think that's

671
00:47:25.320 --> 00:47:29.719
the good choice there, because you
know, I mean, all three would

672
00:47:29.760 --> 00:47:31.920
have been would have been awesome to
see, but yeah, I don't know,

673
00:47:32.039 --> 00:47:37.480
man Um. I will also point
out that he pitched a film version

674
00:47:37.519 --> 00:47:45.960
of How the Grinstol Christmas to several
studios long before the two thousand John Hughes

675
00:47:45.039 --> 00:47:47.960
How the Grinstol Christmas. You gotta
wonder who he would have who he would

676
00:47:47.960 --> 00:47:51.760
have got to play the Grinch though, That would have been a tough one

677
00:47:51.760 --> 00:47:54.360
to figure out. Yeah, that
would have been tough. Yeah, well,

678
00:47:54.960 --> 00:48:01.480
I'll tell you what's not tough is
recommending She's having a baby to anyone

679
00:48:01.519 --> 00:48:06.280
who has not seen it before.
Brad, what's your thoughts on this one?

680
00:48:06.639 --> 00:48:09.159
Do you recommend seeing this one?
I think out of all those eight

681
00:48:09.199 --> 00:48:15.800
films that we just talked about,
that is definitely his underrated masterpiece. I

682
00:48:15.840 --> 00:48:17.960
mean, it's it's very personal to
him, you know, it was about

683
00:48:19.039 --> 00:48:23.079
him, and it can feel personal
to a lot of people because everybody goes

684
00:48:23.360 --> 00:48:28.480
I mean, this is something that
most people are going to go through through

685
00:48:28.519 --> 00:48:32.679
their lives and seeing the realistic version
of it, but also seeing the hum

686
00:48:32.760 --> 00:48:37.239
mur because some of this stuff is
kind of funny, some of us kind

687
00:48:37.239 --> 00:48:42.199
of gross, you know. But
I think this is definitely a go to

688
00:48:42.960 --> 00:48:47.320
a film if you like John Hughes
type of humor, and you've just said,

689
00:48:47.320 --> 00:48:51.159
oh, I've heard that one bombed, and you know it didn't.

690
00:48:51.639 --> 00:48:55.800
It doesn't really have any like big
It doesn't have like planes, transmen,

691
00:48:55.880 --> 00:49:00.360
automobiles, the you know, the
f bomb sequence. You know, it

692
00:49:00.400 --> 00:49:06.880
doesn't have those type of scenes.
But it's got great realistic humor. And

693
00:49:07.039 --> 00:49:12.199
especially if you were coming of age
in that eighties time, you recognize all

694
00:49:12.239 --> 00:49:16.119
these trips. Some of that lawnmower
stuff might not play to some money in

695
00:49:16.360 --> 00:49:21.280
this today, but it may still
though I think I think it would.

696
00:49:21.480 --> 00:49:23.119
And uh, you know you're talking
about some some of these great scenes that

697
00:49:23.159 --> 00:49:28.159
are in this movie. You mentioned
when we started, you talked about the

698
00:49:28.159 --> 00:49:32.639
montage that kind of reveals the tender
moments with Christy and her softer side.

699
00:49:34.480 --> 00:49:37.920
I gotta pull I gotta point that
out. I think used it's something that

700
00:49:37.960 --> 00:49:39.280
we had. You know, we
don't. You don't get to see a

701
00:49:39.280 --> 00:49:43.599
whole lot because anytime you get a
movie montage, it takes a left turn

702
00:49:43.760 --> 00:49:47.320
quick. It does. It does
in a good way. But I kind

703
00:49:47.360 --> 00:49:53.519
of feel like most montages you get, the director will just recycle scenes that

704
00:49:53.519 --> 00:49:58.800
we've already seen in the movie.
I love the fact that that that entire

705
00:49:58.800 --> 00:50:05.639
montage when Christi is having complications with
the delivery and he's upset and we're you

706
00:50:05.679 --> 00:50:07.559
get that Kate Bush song, which
yeah, you told me like, yea,

707
00:50:07.599 --> 00:50:08.920
let's Kate Bush. Was like,
no, what's I was like,

708
00:50:08.960 --> 00:50:13.599
that's Kate Bush. Oh my god. Yeah, you're right. But what

709
00:50:13.639 --> 00:50:16.679
makes that montage so great is that
you see all the stuff that we didn't

710
00:50:16.719 --> 00:50:21.679
get to see, you know,
you get you get to see the relationship.

711
00:50:21.760 --> 00:50:23.960
And I think in that moment,
if you weren't a fan of Christie,

712
00:50:24.559 --> 00:50:28.840
you become a big fan of her
at that point. Yeah, and

713
00:50:28.960 --> 00:50:34.480
I know it's silly, but while
Jake is going through his montage, listen

714
00:50:34.559 --> 00:50:38.159
to the words of the song.
Kate Bush wrote it specifically for to go

715
00:50:38.199 --> 00:50:43.320
through what the man's thinking. Oh
really, yeah, So listen to the

716
00:50:43.360 --> 00:50:45.320
words, and some of the scenes
kind of go together of what she's saying

717
00:50:45.360 --> 00:50:49.440
in the lyric. So yeah,
listen to the words, but keep your

718
00:50:49.440 --> 00:50:52.199
tissues handy. It's a sad moment, but you get a little sap.

719
00:50:52.960 --> 00:50:55.440
He could get a little sad,
And this is a movie. Do not

720
00:50:57.199 --> 00:51:01.840
do not turn off until the end
last end credit is on. I'm so

721
00:51:01.920 --> 00:51:09.519
happy that you said that because for
years I've watched this movie and foolishly turned

722
00:51:09.519 --> 00:51:15.760
it off before the credits got going, and recently watching it, you know,

723
00:51:15.800 --> 00:51:17.840
I was getting up and then I
heard something. What's going on,

724
00:51:19.639 --> 00:51:23.400
Brad? This has one of the
greatest after credit or mid credit sequences,

725
00:51:23.440 --> 00:51:25.639
I guess, because it's one of
those things where it's it's going while the

726
00:51:25.639 --> 00:51:30.039
credits are going screen yeah, yeah, split soon yeah yeah. So when

727
00:51:30.079 --> 00:51:32.320
it when it, when it ends, you'll see some titles come up and

728
00:51:32.440 --> 00:51:37.320
some black give it a minute,
and then this great montage of celebrities picking

729
00:51:37.400 --> 00:51:42.079
baby names will come up. Just
just wait. And I don't know if

730
00:51:42.079 --> 00:51:45.920
you're watching it on Prime or something
that, but you know how, as

731
00:51:45.960 --> 00:51:49.159
soon as something ends, the window
will pop up and say coming up next.

732
00:51:49.320 --> 00:51:52.280
Just click on the same window and
you can watch the credits. But

733
00:51:52.360 --> 00:51:58.199
yeah, I stick with the credits. Okay, So I went ahead.

734
00:51:58.480 --> 00:52:01.920
I got a list here, Brad, because it blew. Yeah, of

735
00:52:01.960 --> 00:52:05.280
all the baby name what I didn't
I didn't write down the baby names.

736
00:52:05.280 --> 00:52:08.000
But everyone's supplying, everyone's supplying baby
names. I don't even think I caught

737
00:52:08.039 --> 00:52:12.920
them all. But here's here's who
I saw. You tell me, you

738
00:52:12.960 --> 00:52:15.679
tell me if I missed somebody,
because it happens so fast. But I

739
00:52:15.679 --> 00:52:22.119
saw Annie Potts, I saw Christie
Alley. Yep, Bill Murray in costume

740
00:52:22.400 --> 00:52:28.119
from Scrooged, right. I saw
Casey the guy who's the guy that places

741
00:52:28.159 --> 00:52:32.239
Casey Jones and teenage Ninja Turtles,
Elias Quotillas. There you go, saw

742
00:52:32.320 --> 00:52:37.760
him? Uh Dan Ackroid in costume
from the Great Outdoors. Yes, he

743
00:52:38.039 --> 00:52:42.920
shows up a couple of times.
He does him and John Candy's names or

744
00:52:42.960 --> 00:52:46.039
the best. Yeah, they come
up with some funny ones. Belinda Carlyle

745
00:52:46.599 --> 00:52:51.880
shows up. You got Paul Gleeson, who had a little cameo in this

746
00:52:51.920 --> 00:52:54.599
movie, you know as one of
his bosses. Penny Marshall, who we

747
00:52:54.639 --> 00:52:59.519
talked about a couple months ago,
she shows up. Joanna Cassidy, the

748
00:52:59.559 --> 00:53:04.920
mom from Pains, is in there. Both of Ferris Bieler's parents in costume

749
00:53:05.559 --> 00:53:08.760
show up. Ferris himself, Matthew
Broderick. He gives a weird name and

750
00:53:08.800 --> 00:53:14.280
it's He's He's yet Jim. It's
not a weird name, which is the

751
00:53:14.320 --> 00:53:17.000
way he says it. Just like
you haven't thought of it. Yeah,

752
00:53:17.000 --> 00:53:21.960
and he's in costume as Ferris.
You got Woody Harrelson, uh and Ted

753
00:53:22.039 --> 00:53:24.280
Danson. I get there's like a
Cheers reunion happening there. Uh. Roy

754
00:53:24.360 --> 00:53:30.079
Orbison of all people shows up because
I think he I think he Uh he

755
00:53:30.159 --> 00:53:34.719
suggests Roy as a as a good
name from not if I'm yeah, Michael

756
00:53:34.800 --> 00:53:40.440
Keaton, Ali Shedy and Diane Cannon. Oh that's right, Magic Johnson.

757
00:53:40.519 --> 00:53:43.320
Yeah. See, I knew you
were going to pick up on a couple

758
00:53:43.320 --> 00:53:46.519
of people that I was gonna miss. But it's just only John Hughes could

759
00:53:46.519 --> 00:53:52.079
get that many people involved and something
just say hey can you give it?

760
00:53:52.480 --> 00:53:55.519
Give us a baby name? And
you gotta think like going onto the sets

761
00:53:55.559 --> 00:54:00.400
and getting these people while they're in
character. Yeah, I got to say

762
00:54:00.400 --> 00:54:02.199
a few things, but yeah,
it's it's a great sequence. So yeah,

763
00:54:02.320 --> 00:54:06.039
definitely don't skip that. Yeah,
it's a fun one to It's a

764
00:54:06.079 --> 00:54:09.440
fun one to watch. Brad.
Where did you watch this one? Um?

765
00:54:10.599 --> 00:54:15.400
You know it for a while it
was on Max and then they just

766
00:54:15.559 --> 00:54:22.440
switched it over, so um,
I had to rent it on Prime two

767
00:54:22.519 --> 00:54:25.400
forty nine. You know, it's
like not much at all. I've got

768
00:54:25.400 --> 00:54:30.280
my old tried and true original DVD
copy of it that's holding up. So

769
00:54:30.760 --> 00:54:34.440
yeah, I would say definitely,
whether you rent it, whether you I'm

770
00:54:34.480 --> 00:54:37.360
sure you can still purchase the DVD, It's probably gonna cost you like ten

771
00:54:37.360 --> 00:54:39.199
bucks. But this is this is
one if you're a John Used fan,

772
00:54:39.320 --> 00:54:43.519
I would I would absolutely have this
in your collection. Yeah, and especially

773
00:54:43.519 --> 00:54:47.119
if you're you know you're about to
be you know, parents, or even

774
00:54:47.159 --> 00:54:50.760
if you already are, or even
if you aren't, you you're still going

775
00:54:50.840 --> 00:54:53.119
to enjoy it. But you get
to look at the movie in a couple

776
00:54:53.119 --> 00:54:57.280
of different ways. Well, Brad, I guess that'll do it for us.

777
00:54:57.440 --> 00:55:00.639
Uh I guess your little one has
decided that I'll do it for us

778
00:55:00.639 --> 00:55:02.119
because I can. I can hear
him in the background. I gotta get

779
00:55:02.199 --> 00:55:07.159
my uh, I gotta get my
Davis tank top on and push out my

780
00:55:07.239 --> 00:55:09.639
chest hair. I've got to get
the grill running and just cook one side

781
00:55:09.639 --> 00:55:15.239
of the steak and then and then
and then see how dinner goes. Um.

782
00:55:15.280 --> 00:55:20.679
But yeah, I thought this would
be interesting to have this episode shot

783
00:55:20.719 --> 00:55:23.679
here just to see how it was. But it was. It was fun

784
00:55:23.719 --> 00:55:29.320
to do it like that, Yeah, Brad, Clozo live on on location

785
00:55:29.440 --> 00:55:32.039
at his inlaws house, talking about
she's having a baby. Listeners, I

786
00:55:32.159 --> 00:55:37.760
bring the real experience to you.
You certainly do. And uh, Brad,

787
00:55:37.840 --> 00:55:42.000
looking forward to next time when you're
when you're back in your normal surroundings,

788
00:55:42.119 --> 00:56:01.639
and uh, until then, all
right, take care of everyone.

789
00:56:04.480 --> 00:56:13.039
Change, she's a bad change,
she's d