Oct. 15, 2024

John Landis - Innocent Blood

John Landis - Innocent Blood
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Season 5 A Film By...

This week, Jeff and Amber sink their fangs into an unusual vampire tale involving a seductive predator with a taste for bad guys, and a mob boss who lives life to the fullest... after his death. It's John Landis and his dark vampire comedy Innocent Blood!

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I happen to love a good horror film. We are

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in the month for watching good horror films. But every

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now and then you need a little bit of levity,

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you need a little bit of comedy. My question to

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you Amber shooting from the hip, Top five vampire comedies,

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what do you got?

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Well? Number one has to be What We Do in

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the Shadows. That could really be one through five. That

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movie is just I can't even And then there's only

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one scene that makes me laugh, but like I pull

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off the couch laughing every time Abbott Costello meet Frankenstein.

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It has all of the universal monsters in it, so

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Dracula is in it, and there's a scene with Bella

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Lugosi and I just like I cry, it's so funny.

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And then it's not traditionally These two aren't traditionally funny.

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But Only Lovers Left Alive has a really great sense

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of humor.

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That surprises me if I could interrupt you for a

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quick second. That surprises me because I saw a trailer

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for that on Prime and the trailer made it look

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like a very surreal, intense vampire film. I didn't pick

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up comedy at all. It looked more like the Hunger

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or something closer to like a Dario Jento type of film.

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It's it's a comedy.

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It's it's not a comedy. It's more like it's like

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sexy and romantic, but there is like this undercurrent of

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humor to it. Okay, that because it's sort of the

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world weariness of having lived so long.

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All right, well, listen to that. It's in my it's

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it's in my, it's my, it's on my list, it's

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on my watch list. But I'm glad, I'm glad you

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mentioned it because now I'm I'm better set for like

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what to expect, because I was expecting something really gothic

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and uh no, that trailer. That trailer does not do you, okay, okay,

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all right, well all right, what else you got? You

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got what?

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I just watched it the other day, and it's not

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as scary as I remember from being a kid, and

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funnier than I remember it being the original Fright Night.

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Yeah. Hey, that's got some really fun moments in it.

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Yeah, like Ronnie McDonald's hilarious he is and then the

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last one, just for quotability only, Hotel Transylvania. Okay, fun,

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I did not say blah blah blah. What is on

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your list for the funniest.

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You'll be happy to know? And this is in real

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no particular order, but echoing you, I've got to talk

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about what we Do in the Shadows. That feeling is

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brilliant and hilarious whatever. Yes, spawned a very successful television

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series that I have just been eaten up.

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Oh see, I haven't watched it. Is it as good

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as the movie?

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Oh? Amber, Sweet Amber? The show is better than the movie,

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Oh my gosh. And I'll tell you, is heavily involved?

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You mean, yeah, they're all they're all heavily involved. But

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the characters you're gonna fall in love with, Nadja. I

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can't wait to hear you talk about Nada. Please when

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we're done, When we're done.

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Left alive, and I'll turn on this show.

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What we Do in the Shadows, You're going to it's

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on Hulu. You're going to burn through these seasons. There's

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what there's like four seasons. Maybe you're gonna burn right.

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Film they are hilarious, great great situation where the movie

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gives you a great, a great experience, and then the

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television series picks it up and runs with it, and

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you're even happier, So uh definitely that one. I gotta,

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I gotta. I gotta give some love to our friend

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of the show, Oz Rodriguez. We he's very talented director.

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We we had him on last year. We talked briefly

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about his film Vampires Versus the Bronx. I'm telling you

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it's you know, anytime you've got kids banding together to

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fight evil, it's it's gonna be a fun time. So uh,

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definitely check that out. It's I think it's on It's

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on Netflix right now, and it is a fantastic film.

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I love talking with Oza. We got we gotta get

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him back on here at some point. If I could

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go rather quickly with my my last three picks for

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you though, very quirky, Nicholas Cage and Vampire's Kiss. Have

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you ever seen this one? Yes, the filing scene, Hey

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b c running up and jumping on her desk. There

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you are one of my all time favorite vampire move

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not just just not just vampire comedies, but vampire movies

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in eral He is fantastic him and general from Jennifer Bials.

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Gotta give some love to once Bitten, you know, Jim,

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very young Jim Carrey car Yeah, and then you mentioned, uh,

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you mentioned abbot castella, like having the one scene you

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know that just made you laugh. Yes, I gotta say again.

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Another another fun movie that spawned a very successful television franchise,

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Buffy the Vampire Slayer. And it's every time Paul Rubins.

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Every time I think about this movie, I think about

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him getting staked at him and then the pause that

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he looks.

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Again and then he stomps his foot on the ground.

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Yes, yeah, I'll tell you what we I bring it

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up because I definitely want to talk about another vampire

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comedy today. So and I don't know how much we're

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gonna laugh, but but let's talk about a film by

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John Landis is nineteen ninety two horror comedy Innocent Blood.

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Hello everybody, and welcome back. I'm Jeff Johnson, I'm Amber Lewis,

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and this is a film by podcast Amber. Let's jump

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right in, shall we. If you give us a brief synopsis,

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I will then offer you my review of this movie

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and exactly four words.

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Ooh okay. Well, to put it simply, as always, Marie

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is a vampire with a thirst for bad guys. When

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she fails to properly dispose of one of her victims,

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who is a violent mob boss. She boughts off more

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than she can chew and faces a new immortal danger.

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If you wanted to hear my review summed up in

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four words for a John Landis horror comedy, I would

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say this vampire movie sucks.

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I did not think that that was such you're gonna say, what, Amber?

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What?

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I was like, what the hell?

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Oh? I know you were not happy about this when

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some of your messages is like, oh, she's done happing.

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Yes, it had such promise. Yes, Like, first of all,

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I should have never read the original like idea that

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John Landis had because he and Harry Shearer we're gonna

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make a movie about vampire's running Vegas. Yeah, well that

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sounds hilarious.

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Yeah, well we're gonna get to that. We're gonna get

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to that. But you know, last week we discussed The

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Hidden by Jack Shoulder, m HM and Amber. This film

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was originally set up with Jack Shoulder directing, Lara Flynn

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Boyle and Dennis Hopper, but Shoulder dropped out due to

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creative differences. My question, are we getting a better film

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with with Shoulder directing?

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Yes?

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I have to say yes, right.

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Although I have to say, like all the mob stuff

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in the beginning is really.

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Good, fantastic, it's fantastic. Let me if I could, let me,

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let me share something with you. This is from a

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interview with filmmaker John Landis. Okay, okay, So he says,

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no matter how outrageous, you have to try to make

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it as real as possible. With Masselli, which is Robert

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Lojia's character, the film begins like a Martin Scorsese movie.

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You have to establish upfront just how frightening and deadly

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he is. The idea was that you already have this

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really malevolent force who has then given superpowers. I love

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his arc from when he wakes up as a corpse

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and discovers that he's been killed, to him understanding and

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realizing his new powers, because at first he's just terrified.

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And then I don't know if you noticed, but there's

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a thing in the movie that when the vampires are fed,

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they look good, they look healthy, but when they're first undead,

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they don't look so good until they get some new blood.

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So when people ask me what are you doing, I

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would say, well, I'm making a hammer film. As if

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it was directed by Martin Scorsese.

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John tell you is such an arrogant asshole, Like you

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are not Martin Scorsese. You aren't even like in the

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same room as Martin Scorsese. So I don't know what

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you're talking about.

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I just I don't get it because, like you're right,

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like the mob stuff. At the beginning, it looks good,

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it sounds good.

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He's got a great cast, like half the Sopranos are

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in there.

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Yeah, if you love the Sopranos, you might love this film. Honestly,

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let's be honest. I mean I'm sitting there like, oh

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there's Tony, Oh there's you know, I'm pointing people there.

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So yeah, it's just I think this movie doesn't know

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what it wants to be because I was intrigued. I

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I'm all in at the beginning, and then I get lost.

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It gets it gets real cringey from the from the

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get go, it's cringey. The mob scene kind of saves it.

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We'll get to why it's cringey in the beginning, but

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then it turns into it. Then it becomes like a

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dark comedy and it's it's all Robert Lojia that you

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know when he comes back on dead, He's all crusty

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and creepy. At that point, I'm like, okay, I'm I'm

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gonna keep watching because this I just want to see

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Loja go to town. Now, let me tell you why.

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I found it to be very cringey right from the

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get go. So we're gonna jump into the cast and crew. Here.

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Anne Peri Laude French name Amber helped me out here.

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You always correct me on the French stuff.

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I would say Anne PERRYO.

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Okay, well I'll say Marie. She's Marie the Vampire.

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There you go, Marie the Vampire. That's what we're going with.

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Okay. First off, and I think she's.

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A one off, like she was in Nikita, and she was.

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I mean, I shouldn't say that's it. She's a French actress.

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I know she gets this job because Landis likes her

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in Nikita. But and I'm gonna say this as a man,

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I don't know that I needed her terrible voice over

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work in the In the opening of the movie, well

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in the opening, okay, but the opening of the movie,

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she's like an apartment this that's got like a thousand

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candles in it, and she's walking around full frontal nudity.

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Yeah, she's yeah, I mean she's just there.

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You know, i'd listen, you know, teenage Jeff is like,

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this movie's awesome. But now I'm like, okay, I mean

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you could have done something with it. It's you know,

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justifying a little bit right, and I you know, she's

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a beautiful woman, but I can't even enjoy that. I'm

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just I'm just distracted by this, this heavy French accent

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and these terrible this terrible narration. You know. Landas said,

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test audiences complained about not understanding her, and even then

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he chose not to dub her lines, which he wonders

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if that was a mistake or not. John, it was,

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it was.

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It was one hundred percent. But I'm not even like

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really affected by accents, Like I didn't have any trouble

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understanding her, but I totally could see how it was

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off putting. And you know, it was just too it

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was so heavy. And if they're gonna you know, there's

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other actors that they've dubbed for her worse reasons, Like yes,

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when you have a test audience saying we can't understand her,

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like you have to do it.

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I just here's here's another problem I have with her character.

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And you know, Amber, sometimes you see a vampire movie,

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you don't get the backstory, and that's fine, you don't

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need it, or you don't you don't care about it. Yeah,

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And other times the backstory is everything to that character.

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As far as I know, she's just squatting in some

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abandoned apartment and you know, in the city, and there's

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no rhyme or reason to her motives. Like we appreciate

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the fact that she clearly has a as the trailer

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will tell you and the taglines, she has a taste

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for the bad guys, so she understands what she's doing

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is wrong to a to a.

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Degree, she's an angsty, you know, vampire like Louis from

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Interview with a Vampire. But the problem with those is,

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like you just want to slap them, like pull yourself together.

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I want a fun vampire like Lestat who is like, hey,

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it is what it is.

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vampire padding around her house, at least give me like

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a little bit of background on her, Like I mean, well.

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But she still could have killed only bad guys, but

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shouldn't have to be so greedy about it. Yeah, she's

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she could have been like taste better.

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Yeah, something, I don't know.

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I just and they like irritated me because they like,

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I don't think you could call these vampires. They throw

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away like all the tropes that make them vampires.

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the quote unquote rules, right, yeah, and then he embraces others,

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and then he creates new ones, like like the the

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eye thing, I thought was a little over the top

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but still a little fun.

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Well, I was disappointed I thought it was. I mean,

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granted it's ninety two, but my expectations I think were

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out of whack. But I thought it was just gonna

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be like the iris of the eye changed color instead.

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Of like it's entire eye.

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They look like they're aliens or something.

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Yeah, And what's what the hell's going on with Like

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the when she's attacking, is that a jaguar noise? I'm

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hearing it's some kind of a cat? Yeah, yeah, I

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just I don't know. Between that and then her the narration,

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the cringey narration that she that that he's dropping in

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here and there, like she's in a scene with with

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the guy. The guy says something and she just stares

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blankly at the guy while we hear her narration. And

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it's not good. Yeah, it's just not good.

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Well, it makes makes you feel like Landis thinks you're

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the audience is stupid. And it compounds the fact that

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she's not that good an actress, so she can't like

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convey anything on her and so she's just gotta like

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smell it out for you figure it out.

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Just just stare at the camera. We'll do some a

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dr later in the studio. Well, yeah, it'll be fine. Uh.

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Anthony LaPaglia playing the the undercover cop Joe Gennaro. Here's

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here's the thing. I like him. I like him.

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He's the Dollar General version of Alec Baldwin. Yeah, so

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like a better movie would have had Alec Baldwin.

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They try so. I really feel like if you look

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at films in the nineties, they were trying to make

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him a leading man and for whatever reason, it just

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it just wasn't working. You know. I think he's a

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great charisma.

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They have no chemistry together, oh.

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Zero zero chemistry. Again, I don't know if it's her fault.

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I don't know if it's Landis's fault. It's probably everyone's fault.

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But I just, uh, you know, I like him, but

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he's he seems to be like his place in the

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film is the supporting guy. He's he's a character actor.

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I feel like so in the nineties. I respect the

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fact that he's trying to bust a bust out of

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that character actor, that guy format. But it never happened

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for him. You know, I know he did. He had

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some fun, fun movie parts. You know, I love him,

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and so I married a nax murderer, you know.

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Well, and you can't put him right next to Chaz

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Parlamentary and expect anything other than Chaz to like blow

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him off the screen. I was disappointed. I thought Chaz

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was gonna be the cap what Amber.

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What is it about Chaz Pulmonary though, that makes you

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root against him in every movie he does? Is that

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just me or just you? Okay? I just there's something

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about Chaz that's I don't care who he plays or

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what the role is. He just seems smug.

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Well, he's always smarter than everybody else.

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Well is he? Though he's not smarter than Kaiser Sosey,

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you know, he got.

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Nobody's smarter than Kaiser said, nobody kind of figure that

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out the bollatimboard the whole time.

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I know, I just there's something about Chas palmonary there

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that he just he just comes across. I don't Yeah,

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I still just think, listen, Chas Promonary could play Jesus Christ,

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and I'm probably gonna root against him. I'll be Hail Satan,

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let's damn hippie. Yeah, I just yeah, I don't know.

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I will say, like, he's fun because of what happens

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to his character. I like that he that I'm rooting

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against him. I kind of gave her. I was very satisfied. Absolutely,

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I'll tell you who. I who. I would have been

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satisfied by seeing more of Angela Bassett. It's almost like

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blinking you miss her. Yes, she's playing the the U

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S Attorney I think, or she's like the captain of

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the police. She has a very I'll tell you she's

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the boss. But she it's unfortunate for her because she

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has a very cliched scene where the second she's introduced,

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we're doing the whole you're off the case, give me

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your badge kind of kind of a you know, with

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Anthony La Paglia and he's like, you can't take this

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for me. I've lived my whole life.

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It's just I was he's a moron because he's supposed

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to be like undercover and then he shows up at

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the crime scene like.

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He's he's deep undercover with the mob. Yeah, he's here,

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Like what are you doing here? He's a friend. I

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had to see no Chas Paul. He was a he

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was a he's a piece of shit mafioso, like he

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got what he deserved. Yeah, but then there's there's the camera,

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you know, there's the reporters, and it's like, okay, well

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you just you know, you're complaining about three years of

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your life. You you just ship it all away because

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you chose to go to an active crime scene where

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the news is So Yeah, I would have liked to

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have seen more of Angela Bassett. I was very happy though,

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with again Robert Lojia. He's playing sal the shark MASSELI. Yes, remember,

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he's probably the only reason to watch this film, especially

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once he turns undead.

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He in the beginning when he killed that guy.

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Oh yeah, he's like, oh just dire. Yeah, you gotta

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give it, give it to him. When you kill someone

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with a a small toaster oven right, the boy when

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he stood up and he's he's picking up, he's checking out.

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Like he's gonna kill him with that toaster.

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This guy is to get bashed with a toaster. And

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I've never seen someone die by toaster. I'm here for it. Yeah.

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I love Robert Losia. He's I think, I mean, can

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you give me give me a bad Robert Loja performance?

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I challenge you because you know, even in over the

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like nineteen eighty seven is over the top where he plays,

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he's the good thing in it. He makes a bad

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movie good, he makes a good movie great. Yeah, he's

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Robert Loja. Let's talk. Okay, So again, I kind of

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feel like you and I both are on the same page.

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We're not fans of this film.

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I'm so surprised. I couldn't handle the grossness of it,

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Like I think that was some of what was supposed

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to be funny. Yeah, And I was just like I

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can't look.

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I you know, well, even even in a film that

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I'm coming away from like this isn't for me, it's

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not a good movie, I'm still finding joy in certain

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things like the cameos. Did you pick up on all

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all the cameos. Did you spot the cameos without I

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don't know what kind of research he.

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Did, but no, I definitely saw Frank Oz and Sam Raimi.

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You hear frank Oz like you can't he like, there's

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a there's one.

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Scene so funny.

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Oh, it was very funny. But there's a moment where

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a little bit of Yoda slips out and you know,

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frank Oz, you just can't deny it. He yes, so

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that he was fun to see. I loved Toom Savine.

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I just loved him walking across the stairs and like

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the press was all there.

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And he was just like I think Tom Savini is

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like the the paparazzi guy who's who's just showing up

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to take photos. Yes, always fun to see Tom. Tom's

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a great guy. We got we've met him once or twice,

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uh on the concert and he's great. Daria Argento is

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in this, which I was surprised by. And then I

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I'll tell you right now, any any guy that grew

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up on Rhonda Shears Up all night and the movies

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that she would play on USA Network, you would you

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definitely are noticing scream Queen LENEA Quigley. You know, small role.

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She's the nurse in the hospital, the blonde nurse.

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Okaya quiggly.

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Yeah, I don't know. Listen, it's a good it's a

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good cast. This movie has a really good cast with

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maybe with exception to and yeah, without with exception to.

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Uh Nikita, I don't know, but uh, Amber, let's take

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Let's take a quick break and then come back and

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talk a little bit about this film's background. Okay, welcome back.

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We are discussing John Landis in his nineteen ninety two

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film Innocent Blood. Amber. Let's talk about that title. Do

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you feel like the title fits innocent? Does Innocent Blood

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fit this this movie? Or is there a better title

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out there?

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I mean, like Dracula versus the Bob Setters or something.

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I don't know.

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Well, there's no nobody's innocent in this movie. I don't

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know what innocent but they're talking about these are all

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horrible people.

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I don't know either, but I asked because the film

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was actually retitled A French Vampire in America for its

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for its international release. This was done without John Landis's consent,

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which pissed him off. And because he's like, you're you're

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making this is confusing people, and he felt like there

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was some confusion because what the distributors were trying to do,

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they were looking to cash in on a very similar

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style title because a French vampire in America sure sounds

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a lot like an American wherewif in London.

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I didn't think about that. It's funny that they were

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literally saying what it is. It's like those yeah when

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you get the foreign translations of yeah titles and they're

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always just ridiculous. But yeah, like in America, worf in London.

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There you go.

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So this whole movie spawns, like we said, it's it's

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in place. Jack Shoulder originally working with Lara Flynn Boyle

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and Dennis Hopper, which I'll definitely take Lara Flynn Boyle

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over Nikita Loja versus Hopper. That's a tough one for

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me because I think either one of them do a

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great job, right. But it does don't matter because John

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Landis you know you you kind of talked when we started.

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He's all set to go with Harry Shearer on this

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this Las Vegas vampire comedy, but the studio did not

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like that idea, which I met like they made a mistake.

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All you do at Vegas is go out at night

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and there's no windows in the casinos.

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So like, well, here's the other thing too, Richard Matheson,

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you know author we love I am legend it's the

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Vegas vampire thing is based off a book he writes

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called Red Sleep. So you're telling me that Landis wants

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to do a Matheson book and it's about vampires in

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Las Vegas, the city that never sleeps. That it's it's

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eternally darkness there. I think that would have been an

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awesome film. Big mistake on the studios part.

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Yeah, like that was some producer really dropped the ball.

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They didn't like it, so they offer him. They say, hey, look,

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we don't like this this idea, but we have a

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vampire's script for you. It's called Innocent Blood. Landis reads it.

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He says, I really liked it. I was given tremendous

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freedom by the studio to make it. Although it was

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rather low budget, it was very risky, which I think

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perhaps contributed to the fact that it didn't do well. Again,

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I disagree with Flandis. I don't think this had anything

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to do with the budget. It had everything to do

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with the execution. Because the movie doesn't know, like it's

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it's a oh, this is a cool mob movie. It's serious. No,

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this is a this is a bad vampire movie. No,

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it's a it's a dark comedy. Like Loja's running around.

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He looks like he looks like he looks like Frank

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Cross's boss from Scrooged, and he's having a great he's

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having a great time running around drinking and biting people

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and just so yeah, I I just don't know.

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I think the key phrase in that quote from Landis

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is that he had all this freedom. They pretty much

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said you can do whatever you want, and that is

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usually never good thing.

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I don't think it was so much as a hey,

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we've got this script for you. I think the truth is, hey,

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we've got a movie that's already in production, and now

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we don't have a director and the stars are ready

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to walk, so will you please come save it? And

463
00:27:16.720 --> 00:27:19.119
he was probably like, let me get in the kitchen

464
00:27:19.160 --> 00:27:22.119
and cook, stay out of my way. Yeah, and when

465
00:27:22.160 --> 00:27:23.039
you run on checks.

466
00:27:23.039 --> 00:27:25.279
He thinks he's a genius, so I can exactly.

467
00:27:25.799 --> 00:27:29.720
Yeah, I listen. I'm all for directors getting final cut,

468
00:27:29.759 --> 00:27:32.400
but I feel like that's something you have to earn right.

469
00:27:33.319 --> 00:27:37.000
Spilberg should always have final cut, Scorsese should always have

470
00:27:37.039 --> 00:27:40.440
final cut. Tarantino I will say, should have final cut,

471
00:27:41.200 --> 00:27:43.559
but John landis no. I mean we say, like, look

472
00:27:43.599 --> 00:27:44.119
at what's happening.

473
00:27:44.160 --> 00:27:46.839
He's as bad as often as he is good.

474
00:27:47.279 --> 00:27:49.240
Well, think about this, like we're look at what's happening

475
00:27:49.319 --> 00:27:53.279
right now in Hollywood. The Todd Phillips The Joker does

476
00:27:53.319 --> 00:27:56.759
a billion dollars. It's a low budget, you know, the

477
00:27:56.759 --> 00:27:59.160
studios breathing down his neck does a billion dollars. So

478
00:27:59.160 --> 00:28:01.480
they immediately say, you can have final cut. We'll leave

479
00:28:01.480 --> 00:28:05.880
you alone. Do whatever you want. He makes Joker folly.

480
00:28:05.880 --> 00:28:09.279
I do, and it's bombing. It's one of the worst

481
00:28:10.039 --> 00:28:13.960
critically received films of all time. I haven't seen it yet.

482
00:28:13.960 --> 00:28:16.759
I do want to see it, but I mean everyone

483
00:28:17.000 --> 00:28:20.039
is talking about how terrible it is, and you have

484
00:28:20.119 --> 00:28:22.200
to you have to keep in mind he had final

485
00:28:22.240 --> 00:28:24.920
cut and they didn't even do test screenings of it.

486
00:28:25.640 --> 00:28:28.559
So you know, when I see Landis getting final cut

487
00:28:28.599 --> 00:28:31.480
and getting full control over something like Innocent Blood, it

488
00:28:31.519 --> 00:28:34.640
makes me wonder like maybe that's something you reserve for,

489
00:28:34.720 --> 00:28:37.920
like the the upper echelon, right, Yeah, I have to

490
00:28:37.960 --> 00:28:40.599
ask you though, does anything work in this film? Like?

491
00:28:40.640 --> 00:28:43.480
What what are the positive takeaways you're you're watching Innocent Blood.

492
00:28:43.559 --> 00:28:46.319
I know you weren't happy from your text messages, but

493
00:28:46.480 --> 00:28:48.359
is there like, what are you taking away from this

494
00:28:48.440 --> 00:28:50.960
that that tells you, like, you know what. I didn't

495
00:28:51.000 --> 00:28:53.920
like it, but watch it for this reason? Is there?

496
00:28:54.079 --> 00:28:55.759
Can you do? You guys? Do you have something like that?

497
00:28:58.279 --> 00:29:03.960
No, I will say, I'm listening to another podcast and

498
00:29:04.559 --> 00:29:06.839
the host of that one is very big on the

499
00:29:06.880 --> 00:29:10.200
opening scene. That's like his thing is the opening scenes

500
00:29:10.200 --> 00:29:15.000
of movies, and so I was it's fresh in my mind,

501
00:29:15.039 --> 00:29:19.200
so I was paying particular attention. And while the opening

502
00:29:19.240 --> 00:29:25.720
scene is not that remarkable, I did immediately think nobody

503
00:29:25.880 --> 00:29:30.200
uses music in a movie like John Landis. He has

504
00:29:30.640 --> 00:29:36.519
a particular sensibility for choosing songs that like they fit

505
00:29:36.680 --> 00:29:39.039
but they're kind of funny and you're like, oh my god,

506
00:29:39.079 --> 00:29:43.200
I even thought about it that way, and you know,

507
00:29:43.279 --> 00:29:46.400
are just really really clever. So he always has a

508
00:29:46.440 --> 00:29:50.400
good soundtrack. So with that opening song, I was like, oh,

509
00:29:50.519 --> 00:29:51.079
that's good.

510
00:29:51.160 --> 00:29:54.799
I like that. Okay, So I liked.

511
00:29:54.599 --> 00:29:56.599
That, and like I said, I liked I liked the

512
00:29:56.640 --> 00:30:00.480
mob stuff. I liked some of the things that you know,

513
00:30:00.720 --> 00:30:04.759
the side characters were doing, like Louis Guzman was great

514
00:30:04.920 --> 00:30:07.920
and Don unexpectedly great.

515
00:30:08.440 --> 00:30:09.960
Yeah we did. We didn't mention those two and they

516
00:30:09.960 --> 00:30:11.079
were they were fun moments.

517
00:30:11.480 --> 00:30:15.960
Yeah, so I can say I liked those couple of things.

518
00:30:16.640 --> 00:30:19.960
So okay, I'm with you. I would I would say, yes, Uh,

519
00:30:20.279 --> 00:30:23.480
definitely some fun cameos in this film. We talked about

520
00:30:23.519 --> 00:30:25.799
some of the people. I thank you for dropping in

521
00:30:25.839 --> 00:30:30.480
Rickles and and Guzman because I completely forgot to bring

522
00:30:30.519 --> 00:30:32.519
attention to them, and they were fun. I did like

523
00:30:32.559 --> 00:30:36.240
seeing them. As far as music goes, love when you

524
00:30:36.279 --> 00:30:39.319
walk into that strip club and Prince's song get Off

525
00:30:39.440 --> 00:30:43.640
starts blaring, that's a damn good Prince song. So right there,

526
00:30:43.720 --> 00:30:47.759
you got my attention back, is like, all right, friends,

527
00:30:48.400 --> 00:30:50.279
you okay, we'll I'll work with you on this.

528
00:30:50.319 --> 00:30:51.160
We're having a good time.

529
00:30:51.319 --> 00:30:52.799
We're having a good time. And then the other thing

530
00:30:52.799 --> 00:30:55.079
i'd add to you, Amber and I'm sure you I

531
00:30:55.079 --> 00:30:58.680
think you'd agree with me. Loja just going full on

532
00:30:58.799 --> 00:31:04.319
camp in this movie is delightful. Yes, yeah, we're gonna

533
00:31:04.319 --> 00:31:06.839
take one more break and when we get back, we're

534
00:31:06.839 --> 00:31:09.240
gonna talk a little bit about John Landis and get

535
00:31:09.279 --> 00:31:17.279
some suggestions from the voice of reason, Amber Lewis. Okay, Amber,

536
00:31:17.440 --> 00:31:22.440
Three things about John Landis and a quote. First off,

537
00:31:23.200 --> 00:31:24.839
and I shake in my head at this as I

538
00:31:24.880 --> 00:31:28.359
read it. He was given the chance to direct nineteen

539
00:31:28.400 --> 00:31:32.640
eighty six's Howard the Duck and nineteen ninety seven's Men

540
00:31:32.680 --> 00:31:36.720
in Black. He turned both jobs down because he felt

541
00:31:36.720 --> 00:31:41.279
the movies were too similar to the Blues Brothers. What

542
00:31:43.039 --> 00:31:47.480
walk me through this, Amber, You're a teacher school us

543
00:31:47.519 --> 00:31:50.720
on this? How is John Landis looking at Howard the

544
00:31:50.799 --> 00:31:55.240
Duck aside from a couple of police cars crashing? Is that?

545
00:31:55.480 --> 00:31:59.839
How is that? Don't talk bad about Howard the Duck.

546
00:32:03.240 --> 00:32:05.680
Remember there's a if you look right behind me, there

547
00:32:05.759 --> 00:32:08.559
is a four K blu ray copy on that shelf

548
00:32:08.640 --> 00:32:10.640
of Howard the Duck. And I will loan it to

549
00:32:10.680 --> 00:32:15.240
you anytime to get you on the.

550
00:32:15.119 --> 00:32:18.920
For like Xanadu and Flash Gordon, like all day long.

551
00:32:19.000 --> 00:32:20.279
But I gotta draw the line.

552
00:32:20.119 --> 00:32:27.759
Somewhere you should I'll beat you. Let's let's just meet

553
00:32:27.799 --> 00:32:29.799
at Flash Gordon, because I will never say a bad

554
00:32:29.799 --> 00:32:35.119
word about Flash Gordon. But Men in Black, aside from

555
00:32:35.160 --> 00:32:41.160
Will and Tommy wearing black suits and yeah. He He

556
00:32:41.200 --> 00:32:44.480
would later state that he regretted turning down Men in Black,

557
00:32:45.200 --> 00:32:48.720
but thank you, captain obvious since it made like a

558
00:32:48.799 --> 00:32:49.880
billion dollars.

559
00:32:49.680 --> 00:32:52.319
Wouldn't have been as good as a movie. I don't know.

560
00:32:53.279 --> 00:32:56.960
I think it might have. I can, I can. I

561
00:32:56.960 --> 00:32:58.599
can be happy with the first one. I can show

562
00:32:58.599 --> 00:33:01.039
appreciation for it. I can. I can say it's a

563
00:33:01.039 --> 00:33:05.160
good film. But after that two and three and the

564
00:33:05.160 --> 00:33:10.920
reboot with Chris Simsworth, no thanks. So. Amber john Landis

565
00:33:10.960 --> 00:33:15.160
believes the scariest movie of all time is a tie

566
00:33:16.079 --> 00:33:22.200
between the original, the Texas Chainsaw Massacre card and The Exorcist.

567
00:33:22.839 --> 00:33:26.880
Well it's not, because it's the Exorcist and Texas Chainsaw.

568
00:33:26.640 --> 00:33:30.720
Is rack you? Well hold on, now have you we

569
00:33:30.839 --> 00:33:35.119
talked about this before? This is an ongoing debate. As

570
00:33:35.319 --> 00:33:38.880
as memory serves you, you haven't actually seen the original

571
00:33:39.640 --> 00:33:40.279
Tobe Hooper.

572
00:33:40.640 --> 00:33:45.680
You have in the like just watching it behind a

573
00:33:45.680 --> 00:33:46.839
pillow count.

574
00:33:46.720 --> 00:33:49.039
No got cans.

575
00:33:49.079 --> 00:33:51.599
Just stare at every frame, digusting.

576
00:33:51.960 --> 00:33:55.240
I'm gonna need you to do a clockwork orange. We'll

577
00:33:55.640 --> 00:33:59.640
wire your eyes open. I want you, I want frame

578
00:33:59.720 --> 00:34:03.839
by Amber Lewis commentary on the Texas Chancel Massacre Now

579
00:34:03.880 --> 00:34:08.440
I'm with you, though. The Exorcist is the scariest of

580
00:34:08.480 --> 00:34:10.360
all time. I'm a grown man and I will not

581
00:34:10.400 --> 00:34:13.400
watch it alone in the dark by myself. Yeah, that's

582
00:34:13.440 --> 00:34:14.320
that's a scary movie.

583
00:34:14.679 --> 00:34:17.400
Yeah, it's it's absolutely terrifying.

584
00:34:18.159 --> 00:34:20.519
Here's a fun one, and I think this one might

585
00:34:20.559 --> 00:34:24.880
make you want to revisit some of John Landis's filmography.

586
00:34:25.559 --> 00:34:30.800
Are you familiar with the see You Next Wednesday? Story?

587
00:34:31.360 --> 00:34:31.679
Yes?

588
00:34:32.599 --> 00:34:35.400
Okay, well let me tell let me story.

589
00:34:35.440 --> 00:34:37.360
I don't know. He puts it in all his movies,

590
00:34:37.360 --> 00:34:38.719
like it's in the Thriller video.

591
00:34:38.920 --> 00:34:42.199
Okay, Well, so here's the deal. As you know, Amber,

592
00:34:42.239 --> 00:34:45.280
because you're a huge fan of the film, See You

593
00:34:45.320 --> 00:34:47.800
Next Wednesday is ah line from two thousand and one,

594
00:34:47.840 --> 00:34:51.920
a Space Odyssey. Young John Landis, at the age of fifteen,

595
00:34:52.920 --> 00:34:56.079
writes a movie script called see You Next Wednesday, and

596
00:34:56.320 --> 00:34:59.239
it becomes like his passion project. So he over the

597
00:34:59.320 --> 00:35:02.920
years has taking bits and pieces of that screenplay and

598
00:35:02.920 --> 00:35:08.039
put it into his other movies, and as tribute, he

599
00:35:08.079 --> 00:35:12.239
always finds a way to put the title see You

600
00:35:12.360 --> 00:35:15.639
Next Wednesday or the line see Next Wednesday in all

601
00:35:15.679 --> 00:35:19.719
of his movies, so you know it can be seen

602
00:35:19.760 --> 00:35:24.559
on theater Marquees and film posters in an American morewof

603
00:35:24.599 --> 00:35:28.320
in London, Twilight Zone, the movie The Blues Brothers, Schlock,

604
00:35:28.679 --> 00:35:32.159
the Kentucky Fried movie Trading Places Coming to America, Spies

605
00:35:32.239 --> 00:35:36.000
Like Us Into the Night starring Michelle Pfeiffer We Know

606
00:35:36.079 --> 00:35:39.519
You Love Her. The music video for Michael Jackson's thriller

607
00:35:40.280 --> 00:35:43.280
and in Innocent Blood. It's advertised on the Theater Marquee

608
00:35:43.280 --> 00:35:45.880
across the street from the Melody Lounge during the car

609
00:35:45.920 --> 00:35:46.599
crash scene.

610
00:35:46.880 --> 00:35:48.840
Ah, I missed it.

611
00:35:48.840 --> 00:35:50.280
It's one of those things like if you're a big

612
00:35:50.360 --> 00:35:53.960
Landis fan, you're always looking for it because it's not

613
00:35:54.079 --> 00:35:57.239
like in your face. It's very subtle, like doing a

614
00:35:57.239 --> 00:36:00.039
little bit of research. It's a film poster in James E.

615
00:36:00.159 --> 00:36:05.559
Lee Curtis's apartment in Trading Places, but then it's a

616
00:36:05.679 --> 00:36:08.800
film poster starring Jamie Lee Curtis and some of his

617
00:36:08.840 --> 00:36:11.800
other stuff. So I think that's kind of cool, you know, Yeah,

618
00:36:11.880 --> 00:36:17.519
I like that. On getting films made, Landis said, quote,

619
00:36:18.320 --> 00:36:22.320
what no one understands. Ideas are a dime a dozen.

620
00:36:23.159 --> 00:36:26.400
An idea has no real value. It's all about the

621
00:36:26.440 --> 00:36:32.039
execution of the idea. Kind of feels like is it

622
00:36:32.119 --> 00:36:33.800
poign or is it like kind of like a captain

623
00:36:33.840 --> 00:36:36.840
obvious moment. I don't I'm not sure. I'm not sure.

624
00:36:37.559 --> 00:36:39.119
It sounds like Seve from the Player.

625
00:36:40.519 --> 00:36:44.400
There you go again. You know, every time you mentioned

626
00:36:44.400 --> 00:36:46.039
the Player, I got to hear it from deaf Dave.

627
00:36:46.519 --> 00:36:52.800
You know, Amber, If someone has never seen a film

628
00:36:53.079 --> 00:36:57.840
by John landis, what are your three recommendations so that

629
00:36:57.880 --> 00:36:59.760
they can truly understand this guy's work.

630
00:37:02.239 --> 00:37:08.800
Well, one is funny story. I'll make it quick. When

631
00:37:08.840 --> 00:37:10.880
American Worf with London came out, like this was in

632
00:37:10.920 --> 00:37:14.519
the eighties. Parents didn't care what their children watched. My

633
00:37:14.599 --> 00:37:16.480
parents were like, yeah, if you get scared, you'll get

634
00:37:16.519 --> 00:37:19.800
over it, Like it'll be fine. So they bring home

635
00:37:19.920 --> 00:37:28.280
the video. I was like seven, and we got.

636
00:37:28.440 --> 00:37:28.880
I watched.

637
00:37:30.800 --> 00:37:33.800
I had wonderful parents, but they were very liberal, so

638
00:37:34.320 --> 00:37:36.079
they turned the movie on. I made it to when

639
00:37:36.119 --> 00:37:39.119
they were on the moors and you hear the wolf howling.

640
00:37:39.880 --> 00:37:42.760
You were just dipping your foot in the water, didn't

641
00:37:42.760 --> 00:37:43.119
get I.

642
00:37:43.119 --> 00:37:46.320
Locked myself in the bathroom and refused to come out

643
00:37:46.400 --> 00:37:48.199
until they took the video out of the VCR and

644
00:37:48.199 --> 00:37:50.559
put it back in the car. Like it couldn't even

645
00:37:50.599 --> 00:37:53.400
be in the house. I was a wreck. I didn't

646
00:37:53.440 --> 00:37:56.519
see that movie until I was like a straight up

647
00:37:56.599 --> 00:38:01.880
adult with a child, and have since pleasantly come to realize,

648
00:38:01.920 --> 00:38:04.639
like it is like one of the greatest horror movies

649
00:38:04.719 --> 00:38:06.000
ever made.

650
00:38:06.199 --> 00:38:10.639
I was in a recent debate about an American Werewolf

651
00:38:10.639 --> 00:38:14.719
in London and said debate was is it the greatest

652
00:38:14.800 --> 00:38:19.760
werewolf film of all time? And if it isn't, what

653
00:38:19.760 --> 00:38:22.599
what's a contender? And I gotta be honest, like my

654
00:38:22.840 --> 00:38:26.920
my my thought then and now is I don't know

655
00:38:26.960 --> 00:38:29.639
that it's the greatest werewolf film of all time, but

656
00:38:29.719 --> 00:38:33.159
it's it's definitely debatable, Like I can't tell you immediately

657
00:38:33.199 --> 00:38:36.519
like it's not because this film is like I can

658
00:38:36.599 --> 00:38:38.400
I can point out, you know, we amber you and

659
00:38:38.480 --> 00:38:42.320
I recently did Wolf. You know, we talked about werewolf films,

660
00:38:42.599 --> 00:38:44.760
and I gotta tell you, like, I think it might

661
00:38:44.800 --> 00:38:47.360
be the number one film for for werewolves, but I

662
00:38:47.639 --> 00:38:50.239
can't commit to it all the way. And you know what,

663
00:38:50.280 --> 00:38:53.199
I pointed out a couple of good werewolf films, but

664
00:38:53.280 --> 00:38:56.559
again I couldn't with with confidence say well, this one

665
00:38:56.639 --> 00:38:59.280
is better than an American Werewolf in London. Have you.

666
00:38:59.280 --> 00:39:01.719
You have said you that you have since seen the

667
00:39:01.760 --> 00:39:03.679
film in its entirety, So what do you k it is?

668
00:39:05.320 --> 00:39:06.960
Is it the best werewolf film of all time? Or

669
00:39:07.039 --> 00:39:09.280
is it? Is it like a top three? Like where

670
00:39:09.320 --> 00:39:09.679
do you put it?

671
00:39:09.800 --> 00:39:12.760
Definitely a top three. The only thing I think that

672
00:39:14.360 --> 00:39:16.599
makes me hesitant to say it's the best werewolf movie

673
00:39:16.760 --> 00:39:20.480
is I like the lore. I like the legend of

674
00:39:20.760 --> 00:39:25.519
monster movies. So there's no silver bullets, you know, and

675
00:39:25.760 --> 00:39:29.039
like that whole through line of like the wolf Man,

676
00:39:29.440 --> 00:39:32.000
you know, I like that. I like the movie Silver

677
00:39:32.079 --> 00:39:33.760
Bullet Ember.

678
00:39:34.480 --> 00:39:37.960
Remember, I like the lore, I like the legend. I

679
00:39:38.000 --> 00:39:45.719
certainly like Jenny Agator nineteen eighty Smoke Show. Listen. I'm

680
00:39:45.760 --> 00:39:47.960
definitely I'm with you. I'm going to recommend an American

681
00:39:47.960 --> 00:39:51.199
werewolf in London. What's the next film you're going to recommend?

682
00:39:51.719 --> 00:39:52.719
Trading Places?

683
00:39:53.079 --> 00:39:56.199
Are you looking at my notes? Or Okay?

684
00:39:58.039 --> 00:40:00.800
I was on the fence between Trading Places and The

685
00:40:00.800 --> 00:40:06.400
Blues Brothers. Okay, but I just like Trading Places is

686
00:40:06.440 --> 00:40:07.320
a better movie.

687
00:40:07.760 --> 00:40:10.159
Lewis Winthorpe, Billy Ray Valentine. This is this is the

688
00:40:10.199 --> 00:40:12.599
Prince and the Popper, but it's a version that we

689
00:40:12.719 --> 00:40:18.760
love happens to have an awesome role played by Jimmy

690
00:40:18.800 --> 00:40:23.119
Lee Curtis, happens to have one of my favorite renditions

691
00:40:23.159 --> 00:40:26.119
of a Santa Claus in a movie with dan Ackroyd

692
00:40:26.239 --> 00:40:31.880
playing drunk hobo Santa Claus, you know, with the salmon,

693
00:40:31.960 --> 00:40:40.599
and then he's awesome in that. I love Trading Places.

694
00:40:40.960 --> 00:40:45.679
That's if an American werewof in London. Is your the

695
00:40:46.039 --> 00:40:51.599
John Landis movie you watch in October? Trading Places? Is

696
00:40:52.079 --> 00:40:54.239
I remember? Are you putting it? Is it a Thanksgiving movie?

697
00:40:54.280 --> 00:40:55.559
Is it a New Year's Eve movie? Is it a

698
00:40:55.639 --> 00:40:58.159
Christmas movie? Because we kind of get all three of

699
00:40:58.159 --> 00:41:01.440
these seasons in the movie, Like so, I'm gonna tell

700
00:41:01.440 --> 00:41:04.920
you for me, I go, I go, uh no, I

701
00:41:04.920 --> 00:41:07.360
go November it's a Thanksgiving movie for me. Where do you?

702
00:41:07.360 --> 00:41:11.880
Where do you put it? Because that's that's yeah, the

703
00:41:11.880 --> 00:41:12.719
climax of the movie.

704
00:41:12.920 --> 00:41:14.000
Climax of the movie.

705
00:41:14.760 --> 00:41:18.199
Okay, okay, I don't think there's a wrong answer. No,

706
00:41:19.199 --> 00:41:22.400
but uh all right, I dig it. Trading Places one

707
00:41:22.440 --> 00:41:25.760
of the all time maybe his best movie, I'm not sure.

708
00:41:26.360 --> 00:41:32.039
Well no, because my number three is hands down the

709
00:41:32.079 --> 00:41:34.199
funniest movie of all time coming to America.

710
00:41:35.119 --> 00:41:36.840
You just put a smile on d Grave's face. He

711
00:41:36.960 --> 00:41:39.639
he he. I have heard him say that is the

712
00:41:39.639 --> 00:41:42.880
funniest movie of all time. Yes, all right, let's talk.

713
00:41:43.280 --> 00:41:45.800
That didn't make my my my third suggestion, So well,

714
00:41:46.000 --> 00:41:48.599
I'll put I'll put a pin in mine because it's

715
00:41:48.599 --> 00:41:50.159
a I did a little bit of an Amber Lewis

716
00:41:50.199 --> 00:41:53.400
cheat like we did last time. But let's talk. Let's

717
00:41:53.400 --> 00:41:56.280
talk about coming to America because this is I think

718
00:41:56.280 --> 00:41:58.159
this is kind of like a resurgence for Eddie Murphy

719
00:41:58.920 --> 00:42:02.639
and this is is this like the dawn of the

720
00:42:02.679 --> 00:42:07.440
comedic actor plays multiple roles, situations, and he does it

721
00:42:07.480 --> 00:42:08.000
so well.

722
00:42:08.280 --> 00:42:12.000
Oh my gosh, my proudest moment. My brother and I

723
00:42:12.079 --> 00:42:17.239
do the barbershop like all the time, which is completely inappropriate.

724
00:42:17.280 --> 00:42:21.519
I realized this, please don't right to Yeah, but when

725
00:42:21.599 --> 00:42:24.159
my son quoted the barber shop to me one time,

726
00:42:24.320 --> 00:42:26.239
like the first time he did it, I was like, oh,

727
00:42:26.320 --> 00:42:33.159
my boy. But our Senio Hall is hilarious. James Earl

728
00:42:33.239 --> 00:42:35.280
Jones is funny playing the straight man.

729
00:42:35.639 --> 00:42:40.800
I mean, oh, James Earl Jones is fantastic. But that,

730
00:42:40.920 --> 00:42:44.079
you know, and that kind of brings me to the question,

731
00:42:45.119 --> 00:42:48.480
at what point when you're watching Coming to America for

732
00:42:48.599 --> 00:42:51.719
like the fifth, fifteenth time or the twinth time. At

733
00:42:51.719 --> 00:42:54.639
what point did you realize that that James Earl Jones

734
00:42:54.880 --> 00:42:58.000
and Madge Sinclair, you know she plays she plays Queen

735
00:42:58.079 --> 00:43:00.639
the Queen Queen? Yes, at what point did you realize

736
00:43:00.639 --> 00:43:02.519
that they were also the voices in Lion King? Like

737
00:43:02.960 --> 00:43:04.800
and you know, we we obviously know James ol Jones

738
00:43:04.800 --> 00:43:08.719
played Mufassa, but but matchenon Claire played who was it

739
00:43:08.760 --> 00:43:12.199
an Robbie or whatever her name was in Lion King.

740
00:43:12.960 --> 00:43:14.639
I just think that's cool that they were the King

741
00:43:14.679 --> 00:43:16.760
and Queen and coming coming to America. Oh, you just

742
00:43:16.800 --> 00:43:21.239
now found this out. I'm so Robbie. Thank you, sir Robbie.

743
00:43:22.000 --> 00:43:23.079
How cool was it that?

744
00:43:23.360 --> 00:43:26.800
If I didn't know that? But that's a little piece

745
00:43:26.840 --> 00:43:29.719
of Disney trivia that was not at my fingertips.

746
00:43:30.039 --> 00:43:32.079
You you always know James old Jones, but you just

747
00:43:32.199 --> 00:43:35.360
don't think about Sarabie And yeah, matchen Clair, all right, great,

748
00:43:35.400 --> 00:43:38.719
great choice, Sarah Amber. It was on my list. But

749
00:43:38.800 --> 00:43:41.400
then I thought, you know what, I asked these questions

750
00:43:41.400 --> 00:43:45.039
sometimes and Scott Hoffman will cheat and give like a

751
00:43:45.079 --> 00:43:48.000
two part answer, and Amber Lewis sometimes likes to cheat.

752
00:43:48.679 --> 00:43:52.320
You do that recently, So you know, all right, I

753
00:43:52.320 --> 00:43:55.480
will bend the rule and say that if I wanted

754
00:43:55.519 --> 00:43:59.079
someone to truly understand John Landis and see what he's

755
00:43:59.079 --> 00:44:03.960
capable of, they have got to watch the greatest music

756
00:44:04.039 --> 00:44:07.480
video of all time. Oh yeah, the short film for

757
00:44:07.599 --> 00:44:08.800
Michael Jackson's Thriller.

758
00:44:09.239 --> 00:44:12.159
See. I didn't pick that because we got American were

759
00:44:12.199 --> 00:44:12.880
roof in London.

760
00:44:13.800 --> 00:44:17.559
Yeah, but you got I'm dead. Yeah, you got them dead.

761
00:44:18.559 --> 00:44:19.639
I love that one.

762
00:44:20.320 --> 00:44:20.639
Yes.

763
00:44:21.159 --> 00:44:23.239
Fun fact about Thriller. You know we talked about see

764
00:44:23.239 --> 00:44:23.840
you Next Wednesday.

765
00:44:24.280 --> 00:44:26.880
M h it's on the Marquis.

766
00:44:27.039 --> 00:44:29.480
Yeah, but it's also you know the note that the

767
00:44:29.599 --> 00:44:31.000
when they're hunting for the werewolf.

768
00:44:31.760 --> 00:44:33.559
Yeah, Thriller scrolled in blood.

769
00:44:34.039 --> 00:44:36.719
Yeah, see you next wee see next Wednesday, And that's

770
00:44:36.760 --> 00:44:39.440
the moment that Michael Jackson. They cut to Michael Jackson

771
00:44:39.480 --> 00:44:41.599
in the movie theater and he's smiling. He's eating the popcorn,

772
00:44:41.639 --> 00:44:44.079
which has now become one of the greatest gifts on

773
00:44:44.159 --> 00:44:47.320
the Internet. The Michael Jackson popcorn gift is the see

774
00:44:47.360 --> 00:44:48.960
you Next Wednesday moment in Thriller.

775
00:44:49.119 --> 00:44:52.760
So that's awesome. There you go, kids, How big a

776
00:44:52.800 --> 00:44:55.480
super fan. Were you in nineteen eighty four? Did you

777
00:44:55.559 --> 00:44:59.119
have the VHS of the making of thriller?

778
00:45:00.039 --> 00:45:03.079
Amber? I had the parachute pants, I had the white

779
00:45:03.199 --> 00:45:03.599
Do you.

780
00:45:03.559 --> 00:45:08.840
Make your own video no thriller and beat it with

781
00:45:08.880 --> 00:45:10.119
your brothers in the living room?

782
00:45:10.199 --> 00:45:13.239
No, well, we didn't have a video camera, but that's

783
00:45:13.320 --> 00:45:17.039
not to say we weren't moon walking all over the

784
00:45:18.000 --> 00:45:22.480
dining room. So yes, Amber, I know you probably watched

785
00:45:22.519 --> 00:45:24.639
this on Prime because that's where I saw It's not

786
00:45:24.760 --> 00:45:27.760
sadly this isn't streaming anywhere. I say sadly because even

787
00:45:27.760 --> 00:45:31.119
a bad movies are fun to watch. Like, hey, hey, Toby, Toby,

788
00:45:31.159 --> 00:45:32.519
I'm looking at you, if you could just get us

789
00:45:32.519 --> 00:45:35.480
some some innocent blood, because maybe we'll watch it again. Amber.

790
00:45:36.000 --> 00:45:38.840
That's the thing that I hate about, you know, not

791
00:45:38.880 --> 00:45:42.880
having regular cable anymore, is you found all these weird

792
00:45:42.960 --> 00:45:47.000
stuff just kind of scrolling through topic of what is this?

793
00:45:47.920 --> 00:45:52.000
Well? Amber, are you going to recommend innocent blood to

794
00:45:52.119 --> 00:45:52.719
our listeners?

795
00:45:53.079 --> 00:45:53.320
Good?

796
00:45:53.559 --> 00:45:55.400
God? No watch.

797
00:45:56.679 --> 00:46:00.960
I mean, like I said, Landis, it's as much as

798
00:46:00.960 --> 00:46:04.840
it's hits. But I mean, honestly, almost anything else from

799
00:46:04.880 --> 00:46:07.719
his filmography, like Amazon, Women on the Moon is funnier.

800
00:46:09.360 --> 00:46:12.679
Three Amigos is right there. Like, there's plenty of other

801
00:46:12.719 --> 00:46:13.480
things to watch.

802
00:46:14.559 --> 00:46:19.880
I'm with you. There are literally a few hundred vampire

803
00:46:19.920 --> 00:46:22.679
movies out there to see. I can't say this is

804
00:46:22.679 --> 00:46:23.079
one of them.

805
00:46:23.360 --> 00:46:27.079
We gave you a delightful list of funny ones we did.

806
00:46:27.360 --> 00:46:31.559
I liked your list. I definitely liked your list. Listeners,

807
00:46:31.599 --> 00:46:34.440
what do you think of Innocent Blood? Have you seen it?

808
00:46:34.920 --> 00:46:38.440
Do we get this one wrong? Hashtag? We didn't? Amber?

809
00:46:40.920 --> 00:46:44.280
Let us know on social media. You'll find us on Facebook, Instagram, x.

810
00:46:45.000 --> 00:46:47.480
You can check out a Film by Podcast dot com

811
00:46:47.519 --> 00:46:49.599
for all of our film and TV articles and our

812
00:46:49.760 --> 00:46:52.840
entire library, which is streaming free. You can write to

813
00:46:52.880 --> 00:46:55.360
us at a film by Podcast at gmail dot com

814
00:46:55.400 --> 00:46:59.360
with your questions, comments and concerns. We may or may

815
00:46:59.400 --> 00:47:03.239
not we'll probably read them on the show, and then

816
00:47:03.280 --> 00:47:05.000
if we do, we will send you some of our

817
00:47:05.159 --> 00:47:07.840
Film by swag, which Amber you already saw the You

818
00:47:07.880 --> 00:47:11.159
know the new logo is out there. The stickers are

819
00:47:11.199 --> 00:47:13.440
slowly starting. I'm starting. I'm trying to get them mailed

820
00:47:13.480 --> 00:47:16.639
out to our Patreon listeners and subscribers. And you know,

821
00:47:16.679 --> 00:47:19.280
we're always giving this stuff away. When you see us

822
00:47:19.280 --> 00:47:21.719
at the cons We'll be at the Scare Fest in

823
00:47:21.840 --> 00:47:26.360
Lexington this weekend all three days, so if you see us,

824
00:47:26.480 --> 00:47:31.280
please ask for your free swag because I jam a

825
00:47:31.280 --> 00:47:33.039
bunch of that crap in a Scott Hopkins bag and

826
00:47:33.400 --> 00:47:37.079
make him carry it like a pack mule. So we'll

827
00:47:37.079 --> 00:47:40.880
have plenty for you. But we are officially halfway through

828
00:47:40.960 --> 00:47:44.679
the month of October, and believe me, we have plenty

829
00:47:44.719 --> 00:47:48.800
more for you to sink your things into. Amber Lewis

830
00:47:48.840 --> 00:47:51.960
now a fixture here on a film by a podcast,

831
00:47:52.280 --> 00:47:56.239
but still loyal to your coven at Docking Base seventy seven.

832
00:47:57.119 --> 00:47:58.639
You have anything fun coming up over there?

833
00:48:00.159 --> 00:48:06.079
Yeah, at the moment we have myself and Robert and

834
00:48:06.199 --> 00:48:10.119
our friend Eric are talking about Top seven songs by

835
00:48:10.199 --> 00:48:16.199
fictional artists, So we've got a great new Spotify playlist

836
00:48:17.039 --> 00:48:19.480
curated over there for you. And then coming up we're

837
00:48:19.519 --> 00:48:22.519
going to be talking Pixar. I know, I'm definitely going

838
00:48:22.599 --> 00:48:26.599
to be talking about Wally and Disney John and I

839
00:48:26.840 --> 00:48:29.760
are going to do a deep dive into Band of

840
00:48:29.840 --> 00:48:31.039
Brothers for November.

841
00:48:31.880 --> 00:48:34.239
Interesting. I love Being of Brothers, so I'll definitely be

842
00:48:34.400 --> 00:48:36.679
tuning in for that one. And I think that'll do

843
00:48:36.719 --> 00:48:39.119
it for this week. To all of you out there

844
00:48:39.199 --> 00:48:42.960
with a thirst for blood, we say happy hunting and

845
00:48:43.000 --> 00:49:03.000
thanks for listening.