John Woo - Hard Boiled

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today. If anyone has the proper
pedigree to discuss a John Wu film,

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it's got to be you. Welcome
back, man, my Gangster. Well

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yeah, but you know you would
you you would fit right at home in

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a John Wu film. I feel
like, you know, on on either

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side of the controversy, you know, uh yeah, yeah. This is

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one of John Wu's biggest films prior
to his coming to America. Andy,

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for the listeners that haven't seen it, could you could you tell us a

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little bit about what Hard Boiled is
all about. The synopsis is a tough

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as nails cop teams up with an
undercover agent to shut down a sinister mobster

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and his crew. So, yeah, there you go. I did.

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I did. Yeah, short and
sweet. I as far as the storyline,

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I did get lost a little bit
and I just saw it just recently.

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Now. I have to say that
I saw this back in the early

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nineties, when Hong Kong films were
starting to make their way over here and

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you could find them at these smaller
rental change So I did catch this probably

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twenty five years ago, and I
remember it being amazing, and then I

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watched it again here and I was
getting a little lost. I'm like,

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wait, now, who's this?
Now? Who's this? So the storyline,

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although it is playing kind of spelled
out real really nice in that synopsis.

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I did get a little lost,
but it's not it's look, man,

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are you going there to watch a
John film for a brilliant story or

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you know, eye Candy? So
I'm watching it for the John Wuye candy.

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And I think there's a reason why
people do get a little caught up

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in this film as far as what's
really going on. And we'll get to

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that. But you talked about the
Eye Candy. I want to talk about

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something that I feel we got to
cover. We talked about this briefly.

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The first time we did a John
wu film was back in twenty twenty one.

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We covered Hard Target, the Van
Damn film, which is kind of

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like a most Dangerous game plan on
Most Nagerous Game. I kind of briefly

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mentioned this so I do have to
bring this up back up, though,

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I want to talk about the Tao
of Wu, as I like to call

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it, so, listeners, Taoism
is a Chinese philosophy based on the writings

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of Lao Su. The Tao meaning
the Way is all about three aspects,

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the way of reality, the way
of nature, and the way of human

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life. So inspired by those teachings, I'd like to offer what I call

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the Way of Wu, which has
five aspects. So andy follow along with

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me, because I think you're gonna
recognize these five aspects are always in a

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John Wu film. The Way of
doves. This represents peace, you know,

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or rather someone or or some conflict
is about to be resolved and or

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put to an end. You don't
get a John Wu movie without doves often.

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Okay, we got s. We
gotta see them right. Next one

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the Way of Guns of Kimbo.
So I'll remind listeners anyone that doesn't know

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that phrase guns of Kimbo. This
is kind of like the art form of

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using two guns at once, as
well as turning them into me lee weapons,

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which is a staple in every John
Wu film. Think about was there

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ever a time you didn't see Chow
Young fat, grab two Brettas and shoot

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simultaneously. It's it's you gotta see
it, you know, you gotta see

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it. Next up the way of
gun fu, so film and shootouts like

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a ballet or a dance. Characters
are always in his movies. Characters are

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always jumping, they're diving, they're
flailing their arms as a shoot with an

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artistic rhythm, and it's it's,
yeah, sure it's a shootout, so

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it's chaotic, but it looks beautiful. It looks it looks like it was

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rehearsed time and time again. It's
it's an art form. It's a dance

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gun fu, which I think that
that term actually got made popular after the

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first Matrix film in ninety nine because
they obviously took a lot of license from

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Wu. Number four. The way
of the Standoff, also known as the

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Mexican standoff. Characters will engage in
meaningful conversation whilst aiming guns at one another

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up close, sometimes separated by a
wall, allowing them to talk back to

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back. I can't think of a
John Wu movie that that didn't have this

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situation. You know, got to
have it, or like three or four

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in those Yeah, and then Lastly, the way of the chase elaborate in

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nature, you could expect overwhelming obstacles
involving multiple people and or vehicles, whether

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it's like a boat versus helicopter,
or horse versus helicopter, if you're talking

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like a face off, or you
know, something like this where it's just

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you know, chasing one guy through
a maze of the hospital, just trying

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to trying to get out, trying
to break free. It's it's always over

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the top. So these five aspects
are commonly depicted in a John Wu film,

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and when you see them, you
can be certain that you're watching a

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John Wu film, or that you're
watching a film that was influenced by John

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Woo. That's that's what I like
to call the way of Wu. Yeah,

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yeah, no, those aren't bad. Well, I I think another

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one would be like his. When
the guns create maximum effect. I wouldn't

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say damage, but whenever a guns
or whenever there's gun play involved, there's

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always a stack of papers, some
sparks flying, there's always it's never just

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you know, it's just one shot
and an adult thood it's just the most

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maximum carnage. Especially in this movie, when they were had to shootout in

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that factory and just sparks everywhere when
you're shoot at in the cars. I

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mean, it was just outrageous,
the the the the amount of damage I

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was doing. Also, when you
mentioned the chase, I guess you're you're

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you're saying in this movie with the
hospital chase, but there was no car

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chase in this film, right in
the film, this one didn't have a

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car chase. Yeah, yeah,
most of the time they did. It

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wasn't match of a foot chase either. I mean, you know, there

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was a cat and mouse kind of
thing inside the hospital. But we'll get

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to that then. But yeah,
absolutely. Let's talk a little bit about

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the cast. So Chaw Young Fat
as Inspector Tequila. So he's previously worked

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with Wu on A Better Tomorrow,
The Killer and wants a thief. You

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gotta before we before we talk more
about him, you got a favorite Chile

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Young Fat performance when when we're talking
John Wu, what's what's your go to?

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Well, we're talking John Wu The
Killer, maybe probably The Killer,

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right right? Yeah, yeah,
I as far as I like a lot

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of other you know, uh,
Giant Fat movies besides this, besides his

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work with John Wu. It's funny
because I when I introduced my well,

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I watched it with my son last
night. He's he's in his twenties,

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and I I said, John wu
is like Scorcese and and Giant Fat is

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like Leonardo DiCaprio kind of thing,
like they're they're just symbiotic, they're they're

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they're So watch it with that in
mind. Uh So, yeah, I

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don't think I as far as for
me, Giant Fat's best work wasn't with

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uh John Woo. Unfortunately, I
really like I'm a huge fan of Full

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Contact. If you ever saw that, that Ringo lom movie, I haven't

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seen that, or Gambler's kind of
Gamblers is No, that's actually that's that's

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my favorite of Giant Fats. Actually
I have to have to backtrack. Yeah,

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I really love that one. If
you saw that one, it's been

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a long time. Yeah, it's
I gotta rewatch on that one. Yeah.

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Not a lot of gun play,
I don't remember. I just remember

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gambling. Like I said, Now, I went through tons of these movies

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in the early to mid nineties,
so my memory is a little foggy,

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but good memories. Yeah. The
character Tequila, so his tough on criminal's

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attitude and anger was taken from an
actual police detective that John Wu interviewed.

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And the funny thing here is that
off duty, the guy found happiness as

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a drummer in a local band,
and we love that so much he decided

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to make Tequila a jazz musician when
he's off duty. So yeah, the

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idea, okay, yeah, the
idea of a guy working for the law

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and then you know, blowing off
steam as a as a drummer in a

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band. I dig that. I
really dig that. It wasn't there a

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line in the movie where he said
Alan was making the origami for every person

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he killed, and then didn't say
something like every note I blow, or

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so he made equivalent something like every
sax solo I make. Yeah, it's

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yeah something like that. Did you
watch it before? Yeah? Real quick?

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Did you watch this uh with subtitles
or did you do English dub subtitles?

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Yeah, you can do subtitles.
I watched titles today, but I

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did. I I'm almost positive the
first time I watched it in nineties it

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was it was dubbed, But this
one I just subtitles. Yeah, my

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first time watching this one definitely was
dubbed. And I think it took me

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out of it a little bit.
But because you're not you're not getting the

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full I don't think you're getting the
full performance when you can't hear the actor's

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voice. So so much better with
subtitles. You know, just take take

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the time, you know, watch
it with subtitles. But uh, you

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mentioned Alan So uh Tony Lynn Lynn
Chuai. Uh. He's the undercover cop

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posing as a Triad assassin and he
makes these orgami cranes every time he kills

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someone. Uh again, this is
just one of those things where Wu happened

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to see his daughter making him and
decided it was a nice trait to add

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to the character. So you know, I mean, John Wu loves to

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just throw stuff at the screen,
and he's like a heat of the moment

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kind of guy. You know,
he's It's one thing I kind of dig

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about him. You know, he's
he's not he's not a storyboard guy.

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He's not a planner. He just
hey, let's let's see what happens.

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I think that, Yeah, I
thought the symbolis. I didn't know this

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about seeing his daughter make those,
but I I if you notice, like

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a lot of his films when there's
there's a shootout or whatnot, there's always

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some type of flying, whether it's
paper or doves or birds flying, you

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know, Like I mean the teahouse
in the opening scene with the tea house

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and everyone's got a damn bird.
I'm like, I remember this stuff,

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and everything goes birds go flying.
So I thought that was somehow tied in,

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you know, with the symbolism of
the orgony. But should we talk

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about that moment, that scene for
real quick because you brought it up.

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I think this this scene is crazy, man, Like, what what kind

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of place do you go? It's
a tea house where there's a bird cage

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on every table. I don't I
don't get it, Like I don't know

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if that's like a thing in Hong
Kong or or what. But yeah,

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it's it's a wild scene to say
the least. And one thing that I

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was doing some research on this film, this blows my mind. That's actually

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the tea house shootout is the first
thing that they that they shoot. They've

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got five days to do it because
I guess the place is getting demoed and

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Wu doesn't have a script, he
doesn't have anything. He just says,

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hey, let's go there and just
shoot up, shoot something, and they

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kind of on the spot, they
just kind of create this, this this

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situation, this little story, and
uh, they're shooting it with with no

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you know, like where we're gonna
put this in the movie? How's this

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gonna you know, what is this
going to be for the movie? And

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the idea that this is this becomes
the genesis for the film because it's got

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It's not probably one of my favorite
moments, and I'll get we'll get to

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it later, but one of my
favorite moments for John wu Is is in

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the teahouse scene. But apparently they're
getting the real Triad show up to request

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protection money while they're shooting. And
apparently this isn't something where you just call

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the place and say, hey,
get these guys out of here. You

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pay him. M hm, I
mean not a Hollywood set, right,

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Yeah? Yeah, a little sketchy, a little bit mm hmm. Philip

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Chan plays Tequila's superior, he's the
boss. I immediately recognize this guy from

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my favorite Van Damn film, blood
Sport, he because he basically plays the

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same guy he's in blood Sport.
Wait a minute, yeah, uh he

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who wait? Oh wait? Who
was he? He wasn't. He's he's

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the police inspector. Remember when the
reporter she tries to to get the Kuma

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Tae shut down and she goes to
complain to the police and he's like,

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hey, my hands are tied kind
of a kind of a thing. Yeah

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yeah, yeah, okay, yeah, small a small role for him,

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but he's he's kind of doing the
same thing, and I thought this was

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cool. He's actually a real life
police commander in Hong Kong who happened to

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supervise undercover agents. That was that
was his job before he you know,

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he kind of segued into I think
he was doing like a like a consultant

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type role and uh in movies over
there, and then he kind of just

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became, you know, kind of
fell into the acting role. So awesome,

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definitely cool to see. I'll tell
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expecting. I completely forgot that he
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is in the film. He's playing
He's playing Wu, the bartender at this

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jazz club. Oh yeah, I
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was. I was looking at the
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what is the place called jazz club? Jazz club. Yeah, so the

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apparently this is a like this is
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well. Uh, the characters created
after a lot of Chilian fat scenes involving

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his humanity were cut, so there
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there was a lot more of him
and Teresa Chang. There was another one

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where Tequila plays the clarinet over his
murdered partner's grave, and they you know,

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this movie is already to a little
over two hours, so they cut

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a lot of that, and and
Chow wasn't happy. He was, you

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know, he felt like his character
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his depth. So he asks John
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film and insists that John Wu play
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their real life friendship. So I
thought, I thought that was kind of

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cool. Wow, Yeah, I
would I think I would have liked seeing

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that as opposed to, you know, the stuff with the girl I say

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her name was Teresa in the in
the because that wasn't playing for me,

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you know, with the flowers and
that whole little back and forth between the

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characters. It never paid off.
It never Yeah, I would have enjoyed

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seeing someone playing a sacks over the
grave and stuff like that a little more

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impactful. Uh, you know,
there's there's a reason the the Teresa Chain

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character didn't really pay off for you. And again, this this goes to

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the whole you know what you alluded
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a little this plot's a little confusing, a little murky. Let's talk about

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who isn't in the film. So
initially, Michelle Yao was in this playing

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one of Tequila's partners, and due
to scheduling conflicts, you know, kep

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her out. But this was a
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It's drastically reduced, and it results
in the Teresa Chang role, they

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kind of you know, basically chopped
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hell, she's she'll have to just
be child Young's fat's girlfriend. Did

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she She's Tequilla's girlfriend that works at
the station. So they didn't really invest

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a lot into that character. They
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subplot because it just you know,
they needed they needed that that female voice,

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but they didn't didn't know what to
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Yeah, and I'm trying Oh,
I'm trying. I'm looking up what Teresa

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was in before, what I might
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I didn't recognize it her at all. It's not that I mean,

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that doesn't mean anything that's over here
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Yeah, she wasn't entered The Fat
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the Fat Dragon. Is that I've
seen that, but yeah, she I

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don't know. Yeah, I think
that was probably wise of Michelle to not

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take that part as well. I
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was. But at the same time, you remember when Michelle's involved, it's

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not it's not the girlfriend role.
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she's she's on the case with with
Tekuila. So I don't know,

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we you know, we can.
It's uh, it's sad to think of

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what could have been. I mean, the movie is awesome, but it

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would I think it would have been
substantially better with Michelle Yao. It's funny

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too, because I don't know about
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a lot of Hong Kong cinema,
Chinese cinema, Uh, they're really not

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big on the love uh interests.
Uh kind of shy away from it because

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you know, they say, like
how Jackie Chan never really is he's never

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run around with a girlfriend. It's
never deep emotional stuff with women. Uh.

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glossed over, it's already a secondhand

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thought, like she really had no
no chance she does. So. Yeah,

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well, let's take a quick break
when we get back. We're gonna

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talk a little bit about the film's
background. We're back any Tom and myself

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talking about John Wu's Hard Boiled.
So Wu based the Inspector Tequila character off

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of two of his favorite fictional cops, and he and he guesses Andy because

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these are these are movies that I
gotta believe in your in your collection.

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I know this. Ihoot, it
wasn't. I've read this, I swear

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I have. Was it dirty?
It wasn't dirty Harry? Was it?

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It was? Was it? It
was dirty? Harry? Was one I

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can't remember. You can tell me, well, you had you had the

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first one, Clint Easwoods Dirty Harry, Dirty Harry Callahan And Steve McQueen's Frank

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Bullet. Oh I didn't know that
one. Okay, Yeah. The interesting

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thing. Yeah, they said the
scene was yeah, bullet right, right

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right, Okay, gotcha. Yeah. The interesting thing is that both of

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those characters were based off of real
life San Francisco PD detective David Tashi.

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And you know, Tashi was famous
for investigating the Zodiac serial killer. So

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in a way, you know,
Tequila is kind of like another another Tashi.

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I like to think. Let's talk
about why this plot is a little

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murky. So the original story,
the original plot of the film is famously

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cut a month into production. So
if you're slightly confused as to why there's

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a lot of time spent in and
around the hospital, it's because initially Tequila

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is hunting down a psychopath that's killing
infants with poison in the maternity wing of

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the hospital. Yeah, unbelievable.
Everyone's a little uncomfortable with this this storyline,

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and as Wu's agents are are trying
to court Hollywood and get him get

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him over to America, everyone is
frowning at the idea of a guy killing

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babies in the hospital, so they
halt production for a solid month. They

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pull in a screen ride. I
want to say, his name is Barry

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Wong. He goes starts slashing the
script rewriting it. He passes away unfortunately

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before he can finish it. So
a lot of what we see is is

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Wu jumping back in and saying,
all right, we're gonna turn this character

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into this We're gonna we're gonna make
this situation happen over here. You know.

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It's actually it's Alan who we know
as the the undercover guy. He

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was the psychopath that was murdering infants. So that whole thing changed. Michelle

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Yao's gone, let's turn the the
female cop into just the girlfriend character.

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A lot's going on. And so
while Hardboard is one, it's I mean

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it's a classic, it is a
cult classic. It's one of Wu's best

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movies. I think the idea that
they're just throwing ideas out daily and rewriting

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the script as they go, it
blows my mind. Yeah, man,

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that's a way to piece together a
film. I mean, I'm actually now

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I'm pleasantly surprised, prized how coherent
the story was. Yeah, it sounds

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like they had a lot of obstacles
to overcome. So yeah, yeah,

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we kind of talked about the jazz
aspect. Wu is a big jazz fan

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and he actually wanted a jazz soundtrack
for The Killer, and when he was

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turned down, when the producers were
like absolutely not, he ensured he'd get

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his way at Hard Boiled by making
tequila jazz musician and making the jazz bar

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a setting for the movie. So
if you're wondering, like because jazz does

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feel a little displaced in this film, but you know, if you know

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John Wu, then it makes sense. I guess what was that song that

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when Teresa and the Superintendent, Well, it was a song going on,

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remember that, Yeah, Like I
was, yeah, I was waiting for

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it to go. Oh, I
recognize that song because they were there spinning

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lyrics and I'm like, oh,
it's gonna click in. It's like and

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I didn't know the song and then
uh, they were uncoated. They were

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it was some code. It was
almost like the I'm not a musician,

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so you know, I was I
was gonna lean on you. I was

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hoping that you might have found out
because I couldn't figure this out. But

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it's almost like they're they're using the
harmony to yeah and then yeah, And

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there was a number of I get
that. I get yeah, but I

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don't I don't understand the the I
don't understand why it's there though. I

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I I can't figure out what they
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a fun little thing that he was
doing with Teresa. It was like he

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was sitting at to Teresa and then
she's giving it to the captain and then

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he's he's uncoding, like he's putting
it into the computer and then it's giving

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out like a spit out like a
fortune cookie saying every time. So I

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didn't know what was going on there, man, I need someone to explain

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that to me. Well, he's
dead, so it's the writer who died,

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probably, I get Yeah, it
dies with him. Unfortunately, the

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secret went with him. I think
that's it. Never know. One thing

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I did find out. I was
happy to learn this though. Yeah.

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You remember the scene in the police
station where everyone's kind of taking a moment

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to to show respector or prey to
this little, strange little statue. Yeah.

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So the statue is called guan Yu, also known as General General Kwan,

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that the Daoist god of War.
He was a real general turned emperor

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turned deity during the Sioux dynasty,
and he represents bravery, righteousness, leadership,

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protection, and triumph to this day, it's commonly worshiped by Chinese law

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enforcement agencies. Oh no, way, okay, it's pretty badass. Like

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I'm a I'm a fan. I'm
a fan of General quand like we I

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need I need one of these statues. You know, Joe they did they

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did mention him by name too,
which was interistic. Yeah, I didn't

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know that. That's great. So
let's let's call some stuff out here,

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you know, whether it's memorable moments, favorite scenes like what do you what

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are you thinking? Andy? Because
you know we could talk, we could

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talk at at length about some of
these impressive shootouts. But does something stand

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out for you? Uh? Impressive
shootouts, I mean they're always Here's here's

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the thing where I think John will
he gets it right, because when you

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have long shootout, you know who
else gets it right is John Wick.

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John Wick films long shootouts. It's
just shooting, shooting, shooting, shooting,

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shooting, shooting, shooting, and
then you can I tune out,

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right, I go, all right, I get it. There's a gun.

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But he's he's got an operatic way
to film these, uh, and

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it's beautiful. It's like a ballet, and it's it's so each one has

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its own moments. You know,
you can't go this shootout in the factory

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is greater the shootout because they're all
like, really well done. It's not.

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I think he really helped American cinema
too. In that American cinema when

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they just have a shootout, they
just guys shoot guns at each other and

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don't give it really an artistic thought, where he did, and he really

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leaned into it heavily, you know, and he made it a work of

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art. So the guns, yeah, exactly. And I don't think any

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particular one was better than the other. They were all really great. There's

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all great moments. Then there's always
a moment where you go, oh,

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what the hell? Yeah, and
I'm trying all right, So if I

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had to pick a moment when giant
fact comes down out of the ceiling and

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he's fine, he's firing and he
seems to be going on an angle which

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makes no sense and no sense in
the world. Yeah, the laws of

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physics didn't work that way, but
it was still fun. Same thing with

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the baby with the jumping out the
window. None of it makes sense,

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but it's so beautiful to watch.
So yeah, all those moments are wonderful.

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I don't think there's a real human
moment where I go, oh,

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that was really a nice human moment
where they're just talking. I think it

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was just all the action. For
me, I'm gonna I want to I

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want to point something out that you
just said. You said, none of

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it makes sense, but it's fun
to watch, and I want our listeners

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to remember that you said that,
because when we talk about John Wu,

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I've got a quote from John Wu
that that just pairs perfectly with what you

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just said. But before we get
to that, I'll tell you one of

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my favorite moments in this film.
It's it's it's not a moment but a

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shot. Okay. When I when
James Buckley first said, hey, you

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know, I'd love to hear you
guys do Hard Boiled, the first thing

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that popped in my mind is the
tea house scene at the end when he

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executes the gang member and he's covered
in that white flower, and we get

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the close up execution headshot, and
then that that that bright red blood splatters

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all over his his white face because
he's covered in that that that that flower.

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That is what I like to call
beautiful violence at its best, because

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it's just it's so cinematic, and
I mean, you know, they shot

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that like two or three times,
and it was the last take where Chili

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and Fat said, hey, I
got an idea. What if I dive

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this way through this, through this
this flower bag and I get covered and

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then you see the red blood splatter
all over me and they were just like,

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that's that's it. That's that's the
keeper. So a lot of a

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lot of ad libbing on a set, well, you have to do ad

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lib on a set like this,
because I feel like with with this,

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with this script specifically, we don't
know what we're shooting today because we're kind

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of making it up as we go
along. So absolutely love that the baby

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in his arms is it's ridiculous,
but it works. I don't care what

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you say. It's it's fantastic.
Yeah, it's funny because once again,

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I the last time I saw this
was probably nineteen ninety four. Yeah,

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and I didn't remember hardly a thing. I just remembered there was a big

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shootout in a hospital and he called
the baby a little piss pot, and

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that's how I went in with my
son. I'm like, he's holding this

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baby and he calls him a little
piss pot, and I was right.

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I remembered it. It was a
hospital and that is one of my favorite

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when on the fire puts out the
fire. Yeah, I puts out the

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fire. That's awesome. Man,
you have to love it. It's this.

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If this movie was made in America
at the same time, it would

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have been a Cannon film and it
would have worked even on even that way

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too. But I'm glad. I'm
glad we got John Wu doing Wu.

405
00:31:06.559 --> 00:31:10.720
Speaking of John Wu, so one
thing we kind of been doing lately is

406
00:31:11.240 --> 00:31:14.559
you know, two things you might
not know about him, and then and

407
00:31:14.599 --> 00:31:18.920
then a quote. So uh for
those that don't know. John Wu began

408
00:31:19.000 --> 00:31:25.319
his career as an assistant director in
nineteen sixty nine working for Shaw Brothers Studios,

409
00:31:26.160 --> 00:31:30.000
who I'll remind everyone we did.
We actually did a Shaw Brothers film,

410
00:31:30.079 --> 00:31:33.960
a film at forty five. Our
limited series covered five deadly venoms.

411
00:31:34.240 --> 00:31:37.799
But man, I don't know about
Andy. I could I could just sit

412
00:31:37.880 --> 00:31:42.720
down on a Sunday and do like
a Shaw Brother's marathon and just not get

413
00:31:42.759 --> 00:31:45.720
bored, how about you? Well
see, yeah, I just saw that

414
00:31:45.759 --> 00:31:48.400
in a Wow I should just probably
about two years ago, I saw that

415
00:31:48.400 --> 00:31:52.319
in the theaters out here five Deadly
Devenoms. But yeah, well where I

416
00:31:52.640 --> 00:31:57.720
where I grew up was I live
right between Philly and New York, so

417
00:31:59.279 --> 00:32:07.000
I got out of New York.
Every Sunday they'd play it was called Driving

418
00:32:07.599 --> 00:32:10.559
Driving Theater, but it was it
was in the afternoon, and and they

419
00:32:10.640 --> 00:32:15.839
played two back to back kung fu
films. So I think that's what started

420
00:32:15.839 --> 00:32:19.400
my just infatuation with the martial arts. So it was just Shaw Brother,

421
00:32:19.480 --> 00:32:22.480
Shaw Brother, the Shaw Brother every
weekend double feature. I mean not saying

422
00:32:22.519 --> 00:32:25.599
I sat through him all all the
time, but I was always you know,

423
00:32:25.759 --> 00:32:30.799
the Flying Guillotine and Master Killer,
thirty six, Chamber Chalette, I

424
00:32:30.839 --> 00:32:36.359
mean everything. I was just enamored
with it. So it wasn't uh Sunny

425
00:32:36.440 --> 00:32:38.759
Chiba his his street Fighter films.
They were they were Shaw Brothers, weren't

426
00:32:38.759 --> 00:32:45.519
they. Oh No, So what's
weird because yeah, he's he's Japanese,

427
00:32:45.599 --> 00:32:50.480
so he was doing karate, which
is I didn't see those until much later,

428
00:32:51.839 --> 00:32:55.359
because you know, Chinese is kung
fu and it's got a totally different

429
00:32:55.480 --> 00:33:00.680
look, uh, And I always
gravitated to that. I mean that was

430
00:33:00.720 --> 00:33:02.480
my first martial art I studied.
Was back in like you know, a

431
00:33:02.559 --> 00:33:08.519
white dragon kong Fu was and it's
very flowery and but sunny cheaba. If

432
00:33:08.559 --> 00:33:13.359
you watch his films, they're very
stiff and very you know, tempo karate

433
00:33:13.480 --> 00:33:15.599
stiff, and it's hard style.
So that's Japanese. His stuff was all

434
00:33:15.720 --> 00:33:20.559
Japanese, all the sudden chieve of
stuff, so that was far removed from

435
00:33:20.559 --> 00:33:25.559
any Chinese cinema. Another thing about
John Wu. You may not know,

436
00:33:28.039 --> 00:33:35.559
and this blows my mind. The
man has never owned a car. That's

437
00:33:37.799 --> 00:33:40.440
I don't even know that's how that
works. Man, like never I get

438
00:33:40.480 --> 00:33:43.519
if you're like, hey, I
was, I was forty before I got

439
00:33:43.519 --> 00:33:46.079
my first car. But he has
never owned one. I don't don't know

440
00:33:46.079 --> 00:33:49.759
if and I couldn't find out if
it's a choice like he does it he

441
00:33:49.839 --> 00:33:52.440
refuses to drive, or he doesn't
like him or I don't know what's going

442
00:33:52.480 --> 00:33:55.240
on there. But man doesn't own
a car. I mean I'm looking because

443
00:33:55.440 --> 00:33:58.720
all right, so I can,
okay. So as he grew up in

444
00:33:58.759 --> 00:34:01.839
Hong Kong, so that man sense
because it if you if you grew up

445
00:34:01.880 --> 00:34:06.279
in Hong Kong, I'm I'm assuming
Hong Kong is very similar to New York

446
00:34:06.319 --> 00:34:08.920
City and New York City. Nobody
has cars. You don't really need,

447
00:34:09.559 --> 00:34:14.000
okay, you know, publication and
whatnot. So I guess that would make

448
00:34:14.079 --> 00:34:15.400
sense. I wouldn't have if I
if I was raised in New York City,

449
00:34:15.400 --> 00:34:19.000
I wouldn't. I wouldn't have a
car. So I can. But

450
00:34:19.079 --> 00:34:22.119
I mean, if he goes to
mainland China, you know, and it's

451
00:34:22.119 --> 00:34:27.239
pretty spread out, I don't know
he I mean Andy, you're you know

452
00:34:27.320 --> 00:34:32.440
he he currently he lives in Pacific
Palisades out there in California. Okay,

453
00:34:32.559 --> 00:34:36.159
yeah, so you're the one.
You know, you're you're in burd Bank,

454
00:34:36.199 --> 00:34:39.079
like he's Yeah, you know,
last I check, people are driving

455
00:34:39.079 --> 00:34:45.440
cars in La So yeah, yeah, it's a weird one. Uh.

456
00:34:45.800 --> 00:34:49.000
I got a quote for you.
So as you said a little bit ago,

457
00:34:50.320 --> 00:34:52.599
we're talking about the film itself,
and in some of the scenes,

458
00:34:52.639 --> 00:34:57.280
you said, uh, nothing makes
sense, but it's fun to watch.

459
00:34:57.800 --> 00:35:01.079
I almost feel like John John WUIs
talking to you specifically with this quote.

460
00:35:01.119 --> 00:35:07.159
He says, and I quote,
logic is very boring. When I'm shooting,

461
00:35:07.360 --> 00:35:13.039
I do what I feel. I'm
free and open, so beautiful.

462
00:35:13.440 --> 00:35:15.800
You can add that to the dow
of Wu. As far as I'm concerned.

463
00:35:15.960 --> 00:35:19.719
You know, it's fun. It's
funny because like I hear that from

464
00:35:19.880 --> 00:35:23.320
John Wu. I'm like, that's
beautiful. Do what you want, brother,

465
00:35:23.519 --> 00:35:30.199
But then you'll have some brand new
film school student. Here's that I

466
00:35:30.960 --> 00:35:35.000
can just shoot on this cellya Lloyd. It's gonna be great because it's just

467
00:35:35.000 --> 00:35:37.280
what I want to do. I
mean, there are certain rules he's probably

468
00:35:37.440 --> 00:35:42.719
learned, and then it's kind of
like gi Kundo, like Bruce Lee's Jacundo.

469
00:35:42.840 --> 00:35:45.960
You got to learn a certain and
then you can kind of start forgetting

470
00:35:46.000 --> 00:35:50.519
and doing your own thing. But
there is a certain parameters you have to

471
00:35:50.599 --> 00:35:52.880
follow. I can handy, I
can yeah, I can imagine. I

472
00:35:52.880 --> 00:35:57.719
can imagine an animator walks in to
your office and you're like, all right,

473
00:35:57.800 --> 00:35:59.719
let's talk about your work, and
he says, you know, I'm

474
00:35:59.719 --> 00:36:05.360
free. I just like to do
what I feel and I'm open and right.

475
00:36:06.880 --> 00:36:10.440
No, you're like, kid,
give me the storyboards or get out

476
00:36:10.440 --> 00:36:14.840
of my office, you know,
waste my time. I remember I was

477
00:36:14.880 --> 00:36:19.199
a young art student and a guy
who's I won't mention his name, but

478
00:36:19.239 --> 00:36:22.920
he's now as a really great comic
book artist. In fact, he won

479
00:36:22.960 --> 00:36:28.440
an iSER Award, which is like
an Emmy for comic books, and we

480
00:36:28.559 --> 00:36:31.079
had to do this. We had
to draw a comic page that had a

481
00:36:31.119 --> 00:36:36.239
three point perspective, which is a
different way of drawing a landscape with buildings

482
00:36:36.239 --> 00:36:39.000
and whatnot. And he didn't get
it right. He fucked it all up

483
00:36:39.000 --> 00:36:44.199
and it just looked terrible. His
perspective was all wrong and he and he

484
00:36:44.280 --> 00:36:49.559
says, well, I did that
because I wanted the viewer to feel a

485
00:36:49.559 --> 00:36:52.719
little uneasy. And I was like, no, you didn't, you fucked

486
00:36:52.719 --> 00:36:54.599
it up. You just you just
did it wrong. But he tried to

487
00:36:54.599 --> 00:36:59.519
bullshit his way through it. No, man, everybody got him about it,

488
00:36:59.559 --> 00:37:04.000
you know, and he, you
know, later he admits he's bullshitting.

489
00:37:04.039 --> 00:37:07.960
But yeah, you can't bullshit your
way if you're John you know he's

490
00:37:07.960 --> 00:37:12.719
not bullshitting. You know, you
can't bullshit it a bullshitter. So anyway,

491
00:37:12.760 --> 00:37:15.880
well, this is usually about this
time we would we'd would get into

492
00:37:15.920 --> 00:37:21.519
the filmography of the director. But
uh, you could say this special episode

493
00:37:21.960 --> 00:37:27.519
is supplemental to our Hard Target episode
from twenty twenty one, so please check

494
00:37:27.559 --> 00:37:32.440
that episode out for our take on
John Wu's phomography. But Andy, I

495
00:37:32.480 --> 00:37:37.480
would like to hear if you have, whether it's a favorite John wu film

496
00:37:37.639 --> 00:37:40.280
or one that you suggest people see. What do you what do you think?

497
00:37:42.519 --> 00:37:45.320
I mean? Killer is his like
Godfather? I guess you know the

498
00:37:45.400 --> 00:37:52.400
killer I did? I did?
I did like a hard Target. I

499
00:37:52.480 --> 00:37:58.360
thought that was I think that was
fun and face Off. Oh and I

500
00:37:58.440 --> 00:38:00.599
have to add listen, I just
heard this rumor this morning, and I

501
00:38:00.639 --> 00:38:07.360
don't know if it's true that they're
looking to do another Face Off and they're

502
00:38:07.400 --> 00:38:15.199
bringing back Travolta and Cage. Yeah, so I didn't. My friend just

503
00:38:15.199 --> 00:38:20.440
told me this morning. So yeah, so it's it's Adam Wingert is the

504
00:38:20.480 --> 00:38:23.559
director who's been who's been attached this
for a little bit. And it started

505
00:38:23.559 --> 00:38:27.639
off as like a continuation and then
it was like, hey, we're bringing

506
00:38:28.519 --> 00:38:31.400
Travolta back, which I thought I
was on board. It made sense.

507
00:38:31.400 --> 00:38:37.760
But then here recently they're talking about
how Nicholas Cage is coming back, and

508
00:38:37.800 --> 00:38:42.360
I'm like, how do how do
you do that? Because Casher Troy dies

509
00:38:42.400 --> 00:38:45.400
at the end of it, but
they're saying they're saying he didn't die,

510
00:38:45.559 --> 00:38:52.280
So you gotta wonder what are they
going to do with these two guys Because

511
00:38:52.320 --> 00:38:57.599
it's been what like twenty five years
since we've seen Face Off. Yeah,

512
00:38:57.679 --> 00:39:05.199
oh my god, nineteen ninety seven, ninety seven. Yeah, I'll be

513
00:39:05.199 --> 00:39:07.559
I'll be the first in line for
the buying a ticket, I'll tell you

514
00:39:07.559 --> 00:39:09.599
that. But I mean I could
see those old guys. Hey man,

515
00:39:09.639 --> 00:39:14.639
you can rip off someone's face and
put it on another body who knows nobody.

516
00:39:14.639 --> 00:39:16.119
I don't think anybody can die,
you know, you can always have

517
00:39:16.320 --> 00:39:21.320
the guy's dead body owned and then
just a handcomer and rip his face off

518
00:39:21.360 --> 00:39:29.480
and then I guess question. Yeah, well, that's what's next for one

519
00:39:29.519 --> 00:39:34.159
of his films. But let's talk
about what's next for John Wu. And

520
00:39:34.840 --> 00:39:40.440
this one also shocks me. Andy. He's already in post production on an

521
00:39:40.480 --> 00:39:46.000
English language remake of The Killer,
which kind of feel like your favorite WU

522
00:39:46.039 --> 00:39:51.960
film, my favorite WU film.
It's starring Natalie Emmanuel from Game of Thrones

523
00:39:52.480 --> 00:39:59.360
and Sam Worthington, who's Natalie Emmanuel
in Game of She was remember Kalisi's like

524
00:39:59.440 --> 00:40:05.559
lady in Waye who uh, very
stunning. Yeah, she's gorgeous, very

525
00:40:05.639 --> 00:40:10.079
very talented young actress. I'm assuming
she's the she's the character that gets blinded.

526
00:40:12.440 --> 00:40:16.199
And Sam Worthington is playing the Chilean
Fat role. Okay, I don't

527
00:40:16.199 --> 00:40:20.039
know how I feel about this man, because the killer is so good.

528
00:40:20.679 --> 00:40:22.199
I don't feel like you can remake
it like you called it. You said

529
00:40:22.199 --> 00:40:27.679
it it's it's Chile. It's uh, it's it's John Wu's godfather. So

530
00:40:27.679 --> 00:40:29.679
how do how do you how do
you do this? Why do you do

531
00:40:29.760 --> 00:40:32.639
this well? And I and I
was anticipating you kind of asking if you

532
00:40:32.840 --> 00:40:38.880
get a prequel, remake or uh
sequel? And I was thinking if they've

533
00:40:38.920 --> 00:40:44.679
remade it, like I wonder if
he would carry his his sensibilities from those

534
00:40:45.400 --> 00:40:50.119
the nineties films where you know,
it's you know a little cheesy with the

535
00:40:50.199 --> 00:40:54.239
slow mo and the you know the
like how should I say, it's kind

536
00:40:54.239 --> 00:41:00.039
of like a little cringey watching it
now, you're right, haanding, So

537
00:41:00.039 --> 00:41:05.000
so would he abandon those you know
what like there? He would do this

538
00:41:05.039 --> 00:41:10.679
one thing? And I noticed it
as an animation director, where the the

539
00:41:10.760 --> 00:41:15.800
camera there's a scene there's a close
up on Chaian Fat and then it freezes

540
00:41:16.000 --> 00:41:20.239
and then it fades and then it
crosses off to the next shot. Yeah,

541
00:41:20.719 --> 00:41:23.760
and it was always weird and it's
funny because in the program that we

542
00:41:23.880 --> 00:41:28.480
use in the industry, it's it's
Tone Boom Storyboard Pro where we do our

543
00:41:28.519 --> 00:41:31.599
storyboards, and it has this like
glitch in it where like, let's say

544
00:41:31.599 --> 00:41:35.719
you have a panning background and say
you want to cross us off to something,

545
00:41:36.400 --> 00:41:40.000
it can't. As soon as you
start the crosses off, everything stops

546
00:41:40.039 --> 00:41:44.760
in the shot. So it's kind
of like a giant I'm like, he's

547
00:41:44.760 --> 00:41:49.760
got this storyboard glitch that we have
to deal with, like it he'll he'll

548
00:41:49.800 --> 00:41:52.599
freeze that and then dissolve out of
it, and it's kind of jarring.

549
00:41:52.639 --> 00:41:58.960
It's very weird to see. So
anyway, those little earmarks that John wu

550
00:41:59.119 --> 00:42:02.119
does, I'm one. And if
he does remake something like that, would

551
00:42:02.159 --> 00:42:07.760
he still do that type of stuff? I'm hoping he doesn't. Yeah,

552
00:42:07.239 --> 00:42:12.639
yeah, me too. And not
to say that, I'm not saying it's

553
00:42:12.639 --> 00:42:15.920
bad, don't get me wrong,
It's just it seems dated. Yeah,

554
00:42:15.960 --> 00:42:19.599
and I like to see, you
know, I mean, it would be

555
00:42:19.639 --> 00:42:22.400
balls if he did and he had
he had the characters with those pleaded,

556
00:42:22.480 --> 00:42:28.559
big fat pleated pants with their big
dumb jackets like x x L jacket.

557
00:42:28.599 --> 00:42:36.840
Yeah, yeah, I don't know. Yeah, it's you know, he

558
00:42:36.840 --> 00:42:40.599
he uh, he just came back, you know. He after after you

559
00:42:40.679 --> 00:42:44.719
know, he's in America for a
little while, he goes back to Hong

560
00:42:44.800 --> 00:42:47.880
Kong. He did like the Red
Cliff movies, a couple others. He

561
00:42:49.079 --> 00:42:52.119
just came back last year for that
film he did at Christmas time called Silent

562
00:42:52.239 --> 00:42:59.639
Night with Joe Kinneman, which I
didn't see it. It's I'd say it's

563
00:42:59.719 --> 00:43:04.320
it's in your wheelhouse because it's a
it's an interesting concept. It's it's got

564
00:43:04.320 --> 00:43:07.920
it like a death wish vibe to
it because, uh, drive by shooters

565
00:43:08.679 --> 00:43:14.239
inadvertently kill Joel kim AND's son and
they shoot him in the throat so he

566
00:43:14.280 --> 00:43:17.840
can't speak, and then he goes
full on punisher and like goes after him.

567
00:43:19.719 --> 00:43:22.039
So it's called it's Silent Night because
it's a Christmas movie, but it's

568
00:43:22.039 --> 00:43:25.840
also kim And for the pretty much
the whole thing doesn't talk. I think

569
00:43:25.880 --> 00:43:31.480
I saw it a cool gimmick movie. You know, Yeah, I might

570
00:43:31.480 --> 00:43:35.079
have seen it. I liked the
title, and yeah, it didn't make

571
00:43:35.119 --> 00:43:37.119
a lot of It didn't make a
lot of money, you know, and

572
00:43:37.159 --> 00:43:39.039
I think it's just people weren't ready
for it, or people didn't expect it.

573
00:43:39.039 --> 00:43:43.800
I don't know what the situation was. But John Wu fans, well

574
00:43:43.840 --> 00:43:45.760
we'll appreciate it. I can't say
that much. I liked it as a

575
00:43:45.840 --> 00:43:52.480
John Wu movie. Yeah, okay, well if I I'll check it out

576
00:43:52.519 --> 00:43:55.760
and see if I did see it, it sounds very familiar. Yeah,

577
00:43:55.800 --> 00:44:01.320
anyway, Yeah, I love those
revenge stories like that. But Andy,

578
00:44:01.360 --> 00:44:06.440
your your thoughts on on hard Boil. Sadly you can't. You can't stream

579
00:44:06.440 --> 00:44:07.480
this one anywhere. If you're gonna
watch it, you gotta you gotta spend

580
00:44:07.480 --> 00:44:13.840
three bucks on Prime or or Google
or whatever. Yeah. Worth a watch

581
00:44:13.880 --> 00:44:17.639
though, right, Oh yeah,
definitely definitely. I mean, if I

582
00:44:17.679 --> 00:44:24.280
was gonna out of ten, i'd
give it a eight point seven or something.

583
00:44:24.239 --> 00:44:28.000
And you know, it's it's really
it's really well done. I mean

584
00:44:28.000 --> 00:44:32.039
it's you could if you argue that
it's his best work, I wouldn't argue

585
00:44:32.199 --> 00:44:36.559
back. You know, there's there's
a lot there. And then hearing what

586
00:44:36.639 --> 00:44:39.519
you're you're telling me all the obstacles
that they had to overcome, I mean,

587
00:44:39.840 --> 00:44:45.000
come on, and he deserves another
point for just that, for making

588
00:44:45.039 --> 00:44:49.199
a decent film out of it.
Well, you know, you're not alone.

589
00:44:49.760 --> 00:44:53.559
I'm right there with you. I
agree and so so good. In

590
00:44:53.599 --> 00:44:59.440
fact, there's actually there's a Criterion
collection version of this film i'd love to

591
00:44:59.440 --> 00:45:00.840
get my hands on. Last I
checked, it's going for upwards like seventy

592
00:45:00.880 --> 00:45:05.480
bucks on Amazon and eBay, So
I don't. I don't know if I'm

593
00:45:05.480 --> 00:45:07.840
ready for that, but uh,
I am ready for more John Wu.

594
00:45:07.920 --> 00:45:10.719
So I hope he's he's got.
I look forward seeing what he's gonna do

595
00:45:10.719 --> 00:45:17.679
with this Killer remake? But is
he producing? I'm sorry, sorry to

596
00:45:17.719 --> 00:45:21.480
drag it back, but I know
I think he's directing. If I'm not,

597
00:45:21.639 --> 00:45:23.760
if I could be wrong, but
I'm pretty sure. Yeah, yeah,

598
00:45:22.840 --> 00:45:27.679
yeah, it's in post gotcha.
Yeah, I think I was looking

599
00:45:28.239 --> 00:45:30.760
strange, strange situation, you know, I think. I don't think it's

600
00:45:30.760 --> 00:45:37.239
often that a director will remake one
of his own films. So unless you're

601
00:45:37.239 --> 00:45:42.920
George Lucas and you're just tinkering Wet
Star Wars for thirty years. But anyways,

602
00:45:42.960 --> 00:45:46.000
listeners, what do you think of
John Wu and his action classic hard

603
00:45:46.000 --> 00:45:50.719
Boiled? You can let us know
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continuing their recap of Discovery's final season
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at forty five is heading to summer
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I'm hoping you'll come back more often, you know, Yeah, Man,

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there's a director we need to talk
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you gotta tell me so we can. We can get this set up.

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Man. Yeah, we got some
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coming up soon. Hopefully good deal, good deal. Uh. Definitely want

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