Kathryn Bigelow - Near Dark

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Okay, Brad, it's October.
Uh, that means it's time to watch

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the thrillers, the scary movies,
the horror films. Have you started watching

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anything? Yeah? Absolutely, I
mean I started in the middle of September

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because I think there's just some movies. Like you said, you know,

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you start off with your thrillers and
then you dive into some horror. Uh.

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Like I said, we we watched
Paranormal Activity the other night, which

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I was surprised that it still holds
up pretty well, that holds up really

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well. It's it is creepy.
Yeah, for what you say. We

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you know, we did a little
Village of the Damned Carpenter. Yea love

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we love Carpenter on this podcast.
You did you did Village of the Damned

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already. Yeah, we did Village
of the Damned. And then last night

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we uh, you know, we
dove into that Adam Sandler. We you

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know, you need a chuckle right
now, and I think we all kind

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of need a little chuckle. And
if you liked the humor that was in

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Billy Madison, The water Boy and
Happy Gilmour, you will like Hubie Halloween.

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You know, it's it's something fun, it's completely ridiculous. But if

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you like that Adam Sandler humor,
it's definitely the movie for you. I

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mean, it's it's fun, it's
lighthearted. If you have children, you

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can watch it with kids. I
mean it's you know, it's something you

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can put on right before you put
the kids to bed, before you throw

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on something a little bit more darker. But what are you watching? I

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went straight for the classics. I
started off with Phantasm, which I for

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the first time, Yes for your
request, well, you know, thirty

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years in the making, but we
finally got you to Phantasm. I did

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Phantasm, and then I went right
into Phantasm too, and then I went

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to A Cabin in the Woods always
great. Yeah, you mentioned like you

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need sometimes you want a little bit
of a chuckle that movie. Yeah,

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it's got some good scares, but
it's it's funny. I just yeah,

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I love seeing I love seeing that
one. And I gotta tell you,

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actually, this week, I think
I'm going to dip into the vampire genre

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kind of because of what what we're
talking about today. Yeah. Absolutely,

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So we have a film by Catherine
Bigelow. Let's talk about Near Dark.

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You've seen this many times, right, not just not many times. This

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was a hard movie to you know, even when it came out. This

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was a late night cable movie that
you had to stay up for to find,

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you know, it was it was
the only way that I was there

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labeled to just see it. I
had to see it in pieces when I

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first saw it, you know,
in the eighties. So it was this

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like a Joe Bob Briggs driving movie
for you or I mean I had already

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been a fan of the Vampire movie
and it just it was another thing to

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just try to dive into. You
know. It wasn't very Joe Bob riduce

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because it's this one isn't very cheesy, you know, it's it's at all.

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Yeah, But the films that I
think that Joe Bob Briggs would do

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or a little bit more on the
lighter side, is like this was this

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is light, but it's also a
very dark subject. But this one was

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a lot more fun to like get
into, you know, with with the

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genre, the fact that it's Halloween
and the way the movie is. It

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was it was just a lot of
fun to rewatch this movie and I hadn't

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seen it in a long time.
I still remember the cover art on the

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VHS tape at five Star Video.
You know, because I was just I'm

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a horror junkie. I love the
scary movies, and I would get the

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point where I just grab anything if
I hadn't seen it yet, and I

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was like, near dark, Okay, this this could be cool. I

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didn't expect it, even even back
then, I didn't expect to see a

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Western. Is it fair to say
that this is kind of like a Western?

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This is a full on Western vampire
film. Is funny because Katherine Bigelow,

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you know, when you read,
when you read about the making of

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this film, she wanted to do
an Old West movie, and you know,

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you know how Hollywood is it that
kind of rises and falls with what's

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popular, and she was flat out
told no. But as soon as she

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goes back and interjects the vampire angle
to it, it's it's greenlit immediately.

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Yeah. I mean, if in
eighty seven, if you weren't Clintiswood or

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Lauren Kazan, you're not getting this
straight up western made. I mean,

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so yeah, you definitely had to
switch things up. And like that's the

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thing. It's like, horror films
are a great way for a director to

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get the esthetics down because if you
think about it, you have to worry

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about different kinds of lighting because you're
setting a mood for a horror, you've

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got a special effects action. You
get all of that out there with performances

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as well. So as far as
knowing the blueprints of how to make a

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movie, horror is your best way
to start off. See you mean you

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mean wait you mean as a director, it's I think it's I think it's

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a good way to start off because
you're learning all aspects of what filmmaking goes

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through. You know, you have
you know, if you're doing something like

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The Breakfast Club, you don't have
to worry about so much as a facts

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or action or things like that.
With horror, you've got to do performances,

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you've got to show emotion, You've
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the film. And it's it's kind
of like it's kind of like an audition.

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I feel like when you know,
when a director is starting off with

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a horror film, it's let me
see if I can make a movie.

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And it proved that she could.
She definitely proved herself. But you make

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a good point, I think,
you know, like I think Steven Spielberg,

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and I'm not talking about Jaws.
I'm talking about Duel, which is

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just awesome, you know, not
a scary way. It's you know,

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maybe it could be scary. Uh, it's a thriller, definitely, But

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I just I'm trying to think like
other big directors, like what you know,

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whether or not they started with like
a small independent horror film, and

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Coppola started off with working with Roger
Corman on movies like Dementia thirteen. You

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get Tommy Scott doing The Hunger and
I believe it's like eighty three or eighty

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four. Yeah, Like it says, once you establish yourself of I know

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how to make a film, you
know the design of a film, then

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later on you know and you can
throw your your type of style into it

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and that can develop into things.
So yeah, I think I think Duel

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is a great example. You know, it's it may not be considered a

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horror film, but is it a
terror type of adventure? Absolutely? You

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know, it's scary. The more
you think. The more I think about

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it, now, I'm running through
my mind with directors and I think you're

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right. Like Oliver Stone, he
did that what was it the hand?

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Yeah, the hand Michael Caine.
So, I mean it's a great place

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to get things going. Some of
those directors choose to stay that horror route,

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some of them go a different way. So I mean, I think

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every good rector has got a good
horror movie in there somewhere. So you

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mentioned you mentioned interjecting the room style
into a horror film, and I think

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that that's relevant because when you think
about Near Dark. One thing that I've

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always appreciated about the film is that
Katherine Bigelow, she created her own mythology

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for the vampires, and her mythology
that she creates almost turns them. It's

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a more realistic approach to it.
You know, there's no garlic, there's

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no crosses, they don't turn into
bats, they don't sleep in coffins.

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This is ah. I almost feel
like the way she interpreted the vampire.

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You know, maybe maybe you saw
it a different way, but my feeling

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is these vampires, this this family
of vampires, they're more like a pack

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of predators that are that are an
endangered species. Yeah, and it they

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blend in a little bit better.
You know, it's all the things that

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you know, you can go down
your vampire check of what works what doesn't

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work in your mind? But yeah, like you said, this is this

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more straightforward? You know a lot
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was budget concerning, you know.
I'm like, you know, if you're

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gonna do fangs, you know and
stuff. We don't see fangs in this

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movie and really don't. And I
don't believe the word vampire is ever mentioned.

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Not once I watched this recently.
You never hear single it's you know,

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I think the closest thing you even
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Adrian Pastor who plays Caleb, he
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getting bit and that's it. You
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which is which is interesting. I
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that's you know, and it's it's
a kind of thing. Was when you're

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going into seeing this movie and I
think it even said it like on that

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box that you saw it, like
five star video, you know, you're

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watching a vampire fang. You're you're
not going into this movie going what is

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going on? You know what's going
on? There are many she hints to

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many things. She builds, she
builds, she builds, and you don't

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need to lay out like, oh, hey, so just let you know

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we were okay with garlics bakesed on
her. You know, you don't have

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to send a list. It's just
like, here's what I got for you.

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This is just her. Like you
said, she built her own myth

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out of it, and that was
so good about it. Let me tell

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you what else is so good about
it? And this might be Uh,

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it's surprising for me to say this
because our first episode when we talked about

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Ridley Scott's legend, as you recall, I trashed the Tangerine Dream score on

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the on the US that it just
terrible ruined that movie. But Tangerine Dream

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their score on Near Dark, I
think it's one of the best parts of

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the movie they create. It's so
haunting, it's beautiful. It's definitely got

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that that synthesizer eighties feel to it, so okay, kind of dates it

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to the eighties, which is okay, But I love the I love the

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score in this movie. Yeah,
and it's dream. You know, I'm

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not a big fan of but I
love it. And this this might be

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one of my favorite well no,
not, maybe, it's definitely my favorite

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thing they've ever done well when we
were starting the movie. You know,

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it's it's the credits run at the
beginning, and I saw that pop up

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and I was like, oh,
do I remember if I liked the score

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or not. And honestly, I
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movie started. It is a very
different score. I mean the cinematography.

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I don't know if you know,
but the the guy that did the cinematography

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did the original Terminator. Yeah,
Adam Greenberg. He's actually worked. It's

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funny you mentioned that because Greenberg,
I think he's a great cinematographer this movie,

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especially just the fact that all the
night shooting, and this is something

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I think cinematographers are failing at nowadays. When you see something that's shot it

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at night, you get at home, whether you're in the theater, you

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got you got it on your setup
at home. You must have to adjust

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your settings just so you can see
it, because it's just it's you blacked

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out this film. What Adam Greenberg
did with his lighting on this is gorgeous.

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It definitely feels crisp. You can
see everything. I mean, think

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about this movie. You know they
what's called magic hour. You know you

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got ten fifteen minutes before sunset,
ten fifteen minutes before sunrise. They had

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to shoot a lot in those little, those little pockets of time, and

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I think the movie's beautiful because of
it. Yeah, I mean half of

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the movie looks like a magic hour. We talked about he had done,

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he did The Terminator this and that's
just one more thing where I think you're

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gonna see a connection between Katherine Bigelow
and James Cameron, especially with this cast.

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I mean, yeah, you can't
watch Near Dark and not immediately want

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to watch Aliens right afterward. You
know, I don't think it hurts the

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movie. You know, I watched
the documentary about it, and you know

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they talk about, you know,
the Aliens connection, and they all really

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didn't realize when they were getting this
stuff that it was going to be the

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three of them Janette Goldstein, Bill
Paxton, Lance Hendrickson in this film.

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It. You know, Originally they
were like, hey, we just did

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Aliens with James Cameron. It's a
huge hit, and you want to go

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do a vampire movie. And then
they read the script and they said,

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yes, immediately, immediately, we
want to do this is this is this

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Katherine Bigelow just just talking to talking
to Cameron and cherry picking from Cameron or

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is it? Is it Cameron cherry
picking from her? Like who Cameron was

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established before Katherin Bigelow, is that
correct? Yeah? Yeah, And I

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mean, okay, we all know
that they were married. As far as

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what they used and what they didn't
use, I mean, he was a

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producer on Point Break, he was
a producer on Strange Days. I kept

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looking to see if his name popped
up as a producer on Near Dark.

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It didn't. Didn't see it,
but I have a feeling he had his

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hand in it. Well, you
gotta, you gotta wonder. So Katherine

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Bigelow is watching Aliens and going through
her head. She says, you know

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what works, Let's put Bishop and
Hudson and Vasquez. Let's let's turn into

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vampires and let him drive around Texas
or Arizona. Where the hell they are?

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Who? Who? Who does that? Who? You know? I

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mean, that's there's such a great
dynamic. And it's funny because you know,

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uh, Lance Hendrickson is so so
calm and docile in Aliens. You

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know, he's he's definitely the weak
character. And then you turn around and

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as Jesse, who is the patriarch
of this vampire family. He's he's scary.

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I mean, you know, you
do not want to mess with him.

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You know, you were talking last
week how you don't see enough of

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like an actor like Bruce Davidson.
I feel the same way about somebody like

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Lance Hendrickson. I always enjoy when
he shows up in something. You know,

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he'll show up, you know,
for five minutes. Sometimes you know,

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a movie that's just not even like
it's not great, but he'll show

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up in like Sam Raimi's Quick of
the Dead for like ten minutes of the

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movie, and he he shines on
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and he's one of those actors.
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this one it was this movie was more

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a chance to say, it was
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bit of a light to shine on
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you know, even though another Aliens
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Michael Bean, this part the Lance
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they were gonna Michael Michael Bean is
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no, yeah, but yeah,
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just I don't know if it's the
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He's just got a very he's just
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there, and as him is the
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they are out it really really you
know looks and the cast is fun,

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you know, I mean, you
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Jeanette Goldstein. You know, she's
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know. I think she showed up
in Terminator too and stuff. He was

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she was John Connor's mom. Yeah, a step and I remember she was

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a she was a She wasn't Riggs
partner obviously, but she was definitely one

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of the ones in Leath the Weapons, Yes, yes, she was.

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Yeah, I think she's the one
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That's right, you are right on
that. Yeah. And then you've

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got then you've got Iron Eagles dad
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every time I see that guy,
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movie, say, Bill Paxton is
just so I mean, if you wanted

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a sequel to Hudson's story, if
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it in Near Dark. And as
much as I enjoyed watching him and this,

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I got a little sad, thinking, like, man, it's it's

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just too bad that we get no
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cowboy, that wild boy mentality,
he had that down in some of his

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roles, and so definitely here I
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about Bill Paxson and this. I
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I just watched it recently. Again, I don't know if I've ever seen

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an actor have that much fun in
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him chewing up the scenery and hamming
it up. I mean he's legitimately having

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a great time and even on the
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you find a copy of this on
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the audio commentary, Catherine Bigole even
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things on set where he was just
trying stuff like in the in the bar

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fight or I wouldn't call it a
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the biker starts choking him that that's
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whole life, like he's scared,
and then taking the sunglasses off of the

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guy and putting them on, which
makes that scene. I mean, it

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absolutely makes that scene. That's just
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her trusting him to go with stuff. I love Bill Paxton in this movie

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absolutely. It's one of my favorite
Bill Paxton rolls. And when he's doing

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that masker, I get this very
uncomfortable feeling when people are doing something that

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they really shouldn't be doing. I
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and you know, starts assault in
the whole place, give me any you

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know, piss you're serving these look
I'm like, wow, he just I

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mean he and the people are looking
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Buddy? And I mean literally and
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they want it just like it looks
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few moments of your time, which
is going to be your last. I'm

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like, oh man, it's a
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I don't know if you know this,

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so, uh, Near Dark comes
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hanging out with with with Keifer Selling
and that pack, you know what I

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mean, Like he has that that
that that that dirty rocker look, that

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you know, western rocker look.
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like, you know, you could
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almost feel like to be like,
hey, we're trying to keep a lower

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profile here, buddy, you're just
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You're going right up into a bar
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you know. And that's that's the
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these characters, and you know,
Jesse, he he's the oldest, you

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know, he's Lance Hendrickson's character was
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think they mentioned yes, lovey,
yeah, like he's got that Uh they

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say, how are you? And
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I fought for the South. You
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each one of these vampires. They're
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that they travel together, but they
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have like a tortured soul kind of
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Bill Paxton's vampire, I think I
think his name is Severn. Yeah,

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if I'm right, Yeah, Severn
enjoys being a vampire. He has fun

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being a vampire, almost like you
think of Tom Cruise is uh let's stat

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from the interview with the vampire.
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doing what he does. He doesn't
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for it's sport. He just has
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I love it. I know we're
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is the you know, he's the
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he is the standout performance. And
I mean this is also a film that

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and if you hear some of the
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exchange each other, it's very Western
esk. Like when they're in the gunfight

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with the police, they're very much
like how many rounds you got. I

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mean they're I'm like, is this
butch casting a sundance kid or is this

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vampire movie? You know, they
they keep their guns in a holster there.

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They're slick with them and they use
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mean the way they're dressed. It's
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town to raise some hell, and
that's exactly what they do. So I

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got a I got a cool story
for you about Lance Henrickson. We're talking

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about you know, they all have
like a different look and just embracing the

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role, so to speak. So
Captain Bigelow talks about this on the audio

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commentary, and I think it's one
of the coolest and maybe creepiest stories I've

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ever heard about about an actor kind
of really getting into the role, you

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know, like you you know,
like the method acting as as you as

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you actors call it. Brad so
Hendrickson, Uh, he has makeup do

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his hair. You know, he's
got like that that like dirt dust covered

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blown back hair with like that that
ratty ponytail. He has his hair done

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and his fingernails done because you know, that's another that's one of the that's

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one of the small vampire things that
she does do is she gives them like

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the creepy fingernails. Yeah, so
he does this, he has he goes

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into makeup, and then he doesn't
fly out to the set. He gets

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a car and he's Lance Henrickson drives
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of Jesse, so to speak,
because he knows that these guys are just

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like they're they're no mads. They
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they're always on the move, right. Hendrickson drives cross country to the film

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set and picks up hitchhikers along the
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of kind of finding the character and
crafting the character and who he is on

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the way. Could you now imagine
what is this nineteen eighty six? I

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think nineteen eighty Yeah, right,
yeah, you're you're you're going down uh

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seventy five and you know, you
just you just need to get to the

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next town. And and fucking Lance
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like he does in Near Dark.
I don't even know if I want to

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get in the car even, you
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he is because he's got he's got
such a great character look, and he's

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got that voice. But could you
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that looks like that, I mean, you're gonna get that's scan the shit

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out of you. And the thing
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wave him off too. It's like, if I waive this guy off,

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he's gonna be pissed, but if
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Yeah, well, I mean think
about it. He's in like the some

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shitty shitty Winnebago or station wagon.
He pulls off and you go running up

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and you're like you lean you lean
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Rickson like how far are you gonna
go? You know? I mean I

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don't know if I'm getting in the
car with him. Yeah, but yeah,

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you mean, if you're gonna be
hitchhiking and that guy's gonna be picking

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you up, well, And that's
the thing that it's funny you say that

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the scene there is a scene where
they actually pick up hitchhikers. I know,

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I love it. And now the
only thing is that we don't really

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get to see what they do to
to the hitchhikers that try to, you

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know, take advantage of him.
But I'm like, I really would have

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liked to see them go on full
attack. And you did you recognize the

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one that gets in the car with
him? Uh, he's he kind of

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has that that that moment where he's
trying to intimidate uh Diamondback, who was

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played by Janette Goldstein. If you
you know, he's got such a small

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moment in the movie. But did
you recognize who that was? I needed

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refresher because I remember seeing somebody.
I just cannot remember who it was,

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so I remember. Okay, So
he gets in the back seat and then

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he's like he has the gun.
He's puts the barrel of the gun towards

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her, like her collar bone or
something like that, and says, we're

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we we got lucky with this these
guys because she's so hot and this guy's

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so stupid. Can you see his
face? Do you do? You?

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Do you remember where you saw him? I don't recognize him though, But

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who was it? Okay, big
spoiler alert. I don't know who he

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is, but I know what I
know what he was in U cult classic

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Stone Cold, which stars Lance Hendrickson's
Chains Cooper. Yes, that's the dude,

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Remember, like he was. He's
the one that was collecting for chains

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and like gets blown up or whatever, and he like faces, gets all

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mangled up, and they go seem
in the hospital. That's the dude.

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That's right, That's right. You
gotta wonder, like, is that change.

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Is that Hendrickson's buddy you think,
or it's just I don't know.

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For me, it was a weird
connection. It was like, hey,

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I know that guy. He he
got blown up in Stone Cold Start.

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And as you said, cult classics
when you do a list, when people

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do their list of cult classic films, this is pretty much on the list

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every time. This movie is on
cult films list all the time. Near

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Dark is, without a doubt,
a cult classic. I don't think it

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made a whole lot of money,
but when it comes to vampire movies,

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this is this is definitely if you're
a bit, if you're a vampire fan,

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it's on your list. And I
noticed that a lot of people that

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that did like the film, they
really liked it, and they really it

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felt like it was kind of like
their own personal movie, you know,

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like it wasn't a giant success,
but it was felt it felt like it

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was a winner only to them.
And and and and that's what's great about

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it is it is on every one
of those lists, and it I mean,

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it's it's a tough one to find. I mean, it's a tough

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movie to find. And it's always
been a tough movie to find. You

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know, we've we've talked a lot
about you know, if you haven't seen

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it at this point, Uh,
it's not the Near Dark starring Lance Hendrickson

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and Bill Paxson. They're not even
the leads. So let's let's talk about

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the leads here for a minute.
Adrian Pastar so never really took off as

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like a big movie star. This
guy's done a long history of work in

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TV. I think the first time
I saw him where I recognized him.

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If you remember that show Heroes,
Yeah, I do remember that. That

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was something that they go, the
guy from Near Dark is finally in something

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popular. Yeah he was. He
was Nathan Petrelli and on Heroes. But

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here's something I thought was was kind
of interesting. Adrian Pastar has played Tony

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Stark aka iron Man, way more
than Robert Downey Junior has. Oh yeah,

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will that shock you? Yeah,
he's he's actually he does the voice

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for Tony Stark and he's done it
in like a ton of Marvel cartoons and

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some of the video games actually,
which I would never I would never suspect

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that. Yeah, I mean he's
I believe. I looked him up,

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and you know, he was a
character in Top Gun that I don't really

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remember his kid played. He played
Chipper, who I'm trying to figure out

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who is I mean, I think
he was. Was he Hollywood's Rio?

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I think maybe possibly could have been, I don't know. And then you

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got Jenny Wright, Oh Chitty right, uh, you know, I think

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a lot of people saw her from
Saint amost Fire. Okay, I don't

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under stand this at all. So
she first off, she's I think she's

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an amazing actress. She's so beautiful, and you're right, she played Rob

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Lowe's ex girlfriend or baby mama,
whatever you wanna call it. She Felicia

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in and say Almost Fire. So
you see her in that, you get

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her in Near Dark and that,
like what else? Like where where is

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she? Like? Why why didn't
Brad? Why didn't this this actress?

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Why didn't she take off in the
eighties like like a Phoebe Kates. Her

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look I think is very looks like
somebody that's gone through a lot. You

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00:28:42.440 --> 00:28:47.519
know, it looks like she has
a past. You know, she's okay.

404
00:28:47.519 --> 00:28:51.160
So you mean like like like she
has like like she's an old soul.

405
00:28:51.200 --> 00:28:53.799
You don't mean like she looks like
run down like she's no, because

406
00:28:53.799 --> 00:28:56.720
I was about to say, why
are you crazy? No, No,

407
00:28:56.880 --> 00:29:00.960
she looks more like a girl that
has a backstory. You know, I

408
00:29:02.000 --> 00:29:04.920
Phoebe Kate's something like that. You
know, they're very more smiling and stuff.

409
00:29:04.960 --> 00:29:07.559
You know, she's not a big
smiler. You know. The last

410
00:29:07.599 --> 00:29:11.039
thing I think I saw her in
was you know, Young Guns Too.

411
00:29:11.119 --> 00:29:17.200
She played the girl that helps Oh
she's she's unredanizable because of her hair.

412
00:29:17.799 --> 00:29:22.599
Yeah, she's got that big volume
red long hair. Yeah. She she

413
00:29:22.640 --> 00:29:26.759
played Jane Grayhouse. She ran the
whorehouse that Pat Garrett and Billy the Kidd

414
00:29:26.759 --> 00:29:30.599
went to. You know, I
think she was the way they talk about

415
00:29:30.599 --> 00:29:34.279
her on this documentary, they you
know, even Adrian Pastor says like,

416
00:29:34.319 --> 00:29:37.160
you know, hey, Jenny,
if you're out there, I'd like to

417
00:29:37.160 --> 00:29:42.279
touch base with you. So there's
this mystery about what happened to her.

418
00:29:42.680 --> 00:29:47.759
No One, no one seems to
know where she is. She's obviously not

419
00:29:47.799 --> 00:29:51.000
acting anymore what she's doing, but
yeah, she's she's pretty much off the

420
00:29:51.119 --> 00:29:52.640
radar. Yeah, Young Guns too. That was that was I think that

421
00:29:52.680 --> 00:29:56.880
was nineteen ninety two. So if
that's the last time we've seen her,

422
00:29:56.880 --> 00:30:00.279
I don't know, I kind of
feel sad about that, because, yeah,

423
00:30:00.559 --> 00:30:03.880
I think she's she's a she's a
beautiful actress. As she was very

424
00:30:03.920 --> 00:30:07.000
talented. It's a shame we didn't
see more of her in the eighties and

425
00:30:07.039 --> 00:30:11.559
the nineties doing doing more stuff.
And the thing is, when you know,

426
00:30:11.839 --> 00:30:15.759
this movie starts off right away,
and it was even Katherin Bigelow that

427
00:30:15.799 --> 00:30:19.039
was saying, like when you see
her licking that ice cream cone and stuff

428
00:30:19.079 --> 00:30:22.680
like that, you know, she
just looks so like, how do you

429
00:30:22.759 --> 00:30:26.440
not fall in love with her?
You know, it was just she's adorable.

430
00:30:26.640 --> 00:30:30.039
It was like she really didn't have
to do much as the vampire to

431
00:30:30.279 --> 00:30:34.599
lure him in. You know,
she's just kind of just you know,

432
00:30:34.799 --> 00:30:38.039
it sucked him in and that's you
know, and that starts off right away.

433
00:30:38.039 --> 00:30:40.920
It's like some people might say,
like, well it seemed a little

434
00:30:40.920 --> 00:30:42.799
sudden. I was like, yeah, but look at the way she shoots

435
00:30:42.799 --> 00:30:45.960
it. It's you. You would
have to fall for this girl. Yeah,

436
00:30:47.039 --> 00:30:48.640
you got you gotta fall for Jenny, right, But that that's the

437
00:30:48.680 --> 00:30:52.160
directing of I think of Katherine Bigelow. I mean, you want to talk

438
00:30:52.200 --> 00:30:56.640
about like kind of her filmography a
little bit more. Yeah, absolutely,

439
00:30:56.000 --> 00:31:00.160
I mean, I know, I
know what my favorite Katherine Bigelow movie.

440
00:31:00.359 --> 00:31:03.920
But but you yeah, let's give
me, give me the rundown. Well,

441
00:31:03.960 --> 00:31:07.839
I mean, but right before this, she did a film called Loveless,

442
00:31:07.920 --> 00:31:11.400
which you know just kind of you
know, didn't really do much.

443
00:31:11.559 --> 00:31:15.519
But that was in eighty one,
so another six years before she gets to

444
00:31:15.559 --> 00:31:18.400
direct Near Dark. And then a
film that she does after this. I

445
00:31:18.440 --> 00:31:22.759
don't know if you ever saw Blue
Steel, Oh, Jamie Lee Curtis,

446
00:31:22.799 --> 00:31:26.160
Jamie Lee Curtis ro love Blue Steel
ro So, yeah, he was a

447
00:31:26.200 --> 00:31:30.799
psychopath in that done, very well
done film, another one very hard to

448
00:31:30.839 --> 00:31:34.799
find. And then of course she
goes one year later, she goes and

449
00:31:34.839 --> 00:31:41.119
does Point Break, Point Break,
Yes, and she took a film that

450
00:31:41.920 --> 00:31:45.720
had, when you see it on
paper, is you know, kind of

451
00:31:45.720 --> 00:31:49.160
a really out there, a little
bit of a ridiculous story. But her

452
00:31:49.319 --> 00:31:56.640
directing style of how she handled this
movie made you believe everything. We would

453
00:31:56.640 --> 00:32:00.839
not be still talking about Point Break
years later if it wasn't for her direction.

454
00:32:01.200 --> 00:32:06.839
I believe if I was gonna become
a bank robber, I wouldn't do

455
00:32:06.920 --> 00:32:09.279
it, and good conscious unless I
knew how to surf. And the thing

456
00:32:09.359 --> 00:32:15.160
is, you got to think after
Point Break is when you heard things like

457
00:32:15.880 --> 00:32:21.200
extreme games, extreme things, people
doing that all kind of stemmed from that

458
00:32:21.240 --> 00:32:25.480
film, you know they in it
really took her to you know, when

459
00:32:25.480 --> 00:32:30.039
you watch this film and you saw
that, you know, you know that

460
00:32:30.079 --> 00:32:32.559
she did it, you were like
wow, there And like I said,

461
00:32:32.599 --> 00:32:37.039
doesn't work with any other director,
not even James Cameron in the directors seat.

462
00:32:38.599 --> 00:32:43.200
So she does, uh you know, she does the horror film with

463
00:32:43.279 --> 00:32:45.880
Near Dark, she does the action, the summer action movie with with Point

464
00:32:45.880 --> 00:32:47.440
Break. What else? What else
you got for after Point Break? She

465
00:32:47.519 --> 00:32:52.920
goes to Strange Days, which was
a movie that was built up a lot

466
00:32:52.400 --> 00:32:57.480
and just didn't deliver. Never cared
for it, it just didn't deliver.

467
00:32:57.640 --> 00:33:01.480
It was talking about you know,
the virtual reality before there was really virtual

468
00:33:01.559 --> 00:33:07.160
reality. But then you know a
couple of years ago by a couple of

469
00:33:07.279 --> 00:33:08.720
not so so great films, and
then in two thousand and nine, she

470
00:33:08.759 --> 00:33:13.599
gives us the hurt Locker. That's
a she wins the Academy Award for that,

471
00:33:13.720 --> 00:33:19.480
right, the first ever woman to
not only win the Director's Guild for

472
00:33:19.839 --> 00:33:23.720
Director, but yeah, the first
woman to ever win an Academy Award for

473
00:33:23.759 --> 00:33:28.480
directing. Fantastic movie too. She
did Zero Dark thirty also, right,

474
00:33:28.519 --> 00:33:31.400
She also did Zero Dark thirty,
which I think I kind of like a

475
00:33:31.400 --> 00:33:36.319
little bit more than the hurt Locker. Yeah, Zero Dark thirty. I

476
00:33:36.359 --> 00:33:38.240
think when it came out, you
know, the incident with Asama bin Land

477
00:33:38.279 --> 00:33:43.880
had sort of recently happened, you
know, this one, maybe it's the

478
00:33:43.920 --> 00:33:45.119
second viewing that I had of it. You know, you're you're able to

479
00:33:45.160 --> 00:33:50.200
fall along more of like what you
know, the Cia and Stuffer doing.

480
00:33:50.240 --> 00:33:53.680
You know, it's you know,
and what she does in all of her

481
00:33:53.759 --> 00:33:58.119
films, and you always see this, You're like, hey, I'm watching

482
00:33:58.160 --> 00:34:01.279
this and it's everything to be going
really well. Everybody's having a good time.

483
00:34:01.319 --> 00:34:07.359
Something bad's got to happen. Catherine
Bigelow knows right when to take the

484
00:34:07.759 --> 00:34:12.159
rug and pull it out of you
as soon as something good is going on.

485
00:34:12.639 --> 00:34:16.159
Same thing in this movie with what
does Adrian Pastor's character's name Caleb.

486
00:34:16.480 --> 00:34:22.599
Caleb, Caleb, Caleb Colton.
I think once Caleb and May are in

487
00:34:22.639 --> 00:34:27.199
a point where he's kind of happy
he got his dose of blood and stuff,

488
00:34:27.639 --> 00:34:30.639
and think, anytime things start to
go good, as soon as you

489
00:34:30.679 --> 00:34:34.400
start to get this like hey,
you know it's a little lighthearted, boom,

490
00:34:34.400 --> 00:34:37.039
she pulls the rug right under you. You know, and that's what

491
00:34:37.519 --> 00:34:42.880
she does that really well, you're
absolutely right, so he I think when

492
00:34:42.920 --> 00:34:46.840
when Caleb gets to the point where
he accepts what his new life is gonna

493
00:34:46.840 --> 00:34:52.000
be, and he you know,
and he earns the he kind of there's

494
00:34:52.000 --> 00:34:55.320
a moment where after the shootout,
he kind of earns the respect of the

495
00:34:55.480 --> 00:35:00.639
entire vampire crew. There, You're
right, all of a sudden, then

496
00:35:00.679 --> 00:35:06.800
she she flips it on us because
his uh, his his actual father and

497
00:35:06.960 --> 00:35:12.039
a little sister, uh finding Yeah, and he's caught between. And I

498
00:35:12.079 --> 00:35:15.760
think Katherin Bigelow made a great conversation
about this on the on the commentary where

499
00:35:16.039 --> 00:35:22.239
Caleb has to struggle with his his
night family and his day family. Yeah,

500
00:35:22.280 --> 00:35:25.360
who who is he? Who does
he elite? Who does he help

501
00:35:25.440 --> 00:35:29.800
hold allegiance to? And who's he
gonna who's he ultimately on the side with,

502
00:35:29.840 --> 00:35:31.679
because he's kind of like, you
know, it's like he's got two

503
00:35:31.719 --> 00:35:35.360
dads, you know, he's and
he's trying to please them both. So

504
00:35:35.400 --> 00:35:37.880
you're right. He definitely in the
motel scene when they have to standoff,

505
00:35:38.840 --> 00:35:42.360
you know, and he has to
everything's going great for him and then all

506
00:35:42.360 --> 00:35:45.400
of a sudden he loses all that. Yeah, And and that's the thing.

507
00:35:45.440 --> 00:35:49.800
It's like Caleb at this point,
you know, after the shootout has

508
00:35:49.880 --> 00:35:52.880
been on watch by Jesse and the
rest of the crew, like, look,

509
00:35:52.480 --> 00:35:57.480
you make a kill to night,
he won't feed. Yeah, And

510
00:35:57.800 --> 00:36:00.840
right now you're as the audience,
you're like, Okay, I'm scared for

511
00:36:00.920 --> 00:36:04.960
Caleb, but what's gonna happen to
him outside as a vampire? But these

512
00:36:05.000 --> 00:36:07.760
other vampires just might kill him as
well. So as soon as he gets

513
00:36:07.840 --> 00:36:10.599
that crumfortble point where I mean,
if it's Bill Paxton comes over to him

514
00:36:10.639 --> 00:36:14.000
and he's just like, you know, pretty good work and stuff, and

515
00:36:14.039 --> 00:36:19.000
everyone's smiling. And as soon as
everybody gets Catherine Bigelow doesn't let you get

516
00:36:19.000 --> 00:36:22.760
too relaxed, like yeah, yeah, it pulls it out from you and

517
00:36:22.920 --> 00:36:24.360
yeah, and as soon as everything's
going great, and he's like, well,

518
00:36:24.360 --> 00:36:28.119
you know what, it almost feels
like you're at a point where he's

519
00:36:28.159 --> 00:36:30.119
like, I'm a vampire now I'm
this is what I'm gonna have to do,

520
00:36:30.199 --> 00:36:35.119
and then everything changes right away.
I hate to go back to Bill

521
00:36:35.159 --> 00:36:37.480
Paxton again because I don't want this
to be the Bill Paxton episode. But

522
00:36:38.159 --> 00:36:43.559
I think my favorite line in the
movie is in that motel when they had

523
00:36:43.599 --> 00:36:49.800
the standoff the little Caleb's little sister. Homer brings her back, not knowing

524
00:36:49.800 --> 00:36:52.679
that it's Caleb's little sister, and
they're sitting there playing cards, and she

525
00:36:52.760 --> 00:36:55.599
looks over at him and they just, you know, they still have that

526
00:36:55.679 --> 00:37:00.199
that charred look around him from where
they were in the sunlight. Bill Paxson's

527
00:37:00.239 --> 00:37:06.079
still wearing the sunglasses at night inside
the motel room, and the little girl

528
00:37:06.159 --> 00:37:09.119
she's like, you folks, sure
stay up there, you sure stay up

529
00:37:09.159 --> 00:37:14.400
late, and Bill Paxson just nonchalot
goes, we keep odd hours. Yeah,

530
00:37:14.760 --> 00:37:16.320
almost like like you know, like
he's working in a cubicle in the

531
00:37:16.360 --> 00:37:19.320
office or something like that. I
just I crack up every time I hear

532
00:37:19.360 --> 00:37:22.840
that line. But uh, and
I like how they throw in little pieces,

533
00:37:22.880 --> 00:37:25.239
like when they're playing cards, they're
talking about some of the stuff that

534
00:37:25.280 --> 00:37:29.119
they've done in the past, and
you're like, wow, these guys,

535
00:37:29.159 --> 00:37:30.679
you know, these this group has
been doing this for a long time,

536
00:37:31.000 --> 00:37:35.599
where they've been what have they seen? You know, It's it's nice to

537
00:37:35.639 --> 00:37:37.599
get that thrown in there every once
in a while. There's a great throw

538
00:37:37.719 --> 00:37:43.000
it's a throwaway line earlier in the
movie when they have to trash the Winnebago

539
00:37:43.760 --> 00:37:46.320
so that people can't catch up with
them. They set fire to the Winnebago,

540
00:37:46.559 --> 00:37:52.840
right, yes, And there's that
little throwaway line that Bill Paxton's character

541
00:37:52.920 --> 00:37:54.800
says to Lance Henry says, Hey, Jesse, you remember when we started

542
00:37:54.800 --> 00:38:00.880
that fire in Chicago, And I'm
assuming that is a nod to the great

543
00:38:00.960 --> 00:38:04.360
Fire from what I don't I don't
even know, ye from yeah, yeah,

544
00:38:04.400 --> 00:38:07.800
the big Chicago fire from like,
yeah, I believe that is whatever,

545
00:38:07.000 --> 00:38:10.280
what it's gotta be, it's gotta
be that. But a lot of

546
00:38:10.280 --> 00:38:15.519
things we liked about this Anything you
dislike about this movie, Brad Well,

547
00:38:15.360 --> 00:38:17.039
I'll tell I'll tell you some of
my other LIFs too, because we're like

548
00:38:17.039 --> 00:38:22.920
the shoot that shootout, Yeah,
I mean the cinemetary, the way the

549
00:38:23.039 --> 00:38:30.800
sunlight goes through all of them,
and the that battle. It's it's great

550
00:38:30.880 --> 00:38:34.519
mix of I mean, when you
want to mix Western and horror together,

551
00:38:35.280 --> 00:38:38.239
that that's perfect. I mean,
the the effects of you know, of

552
00:38:38.599 --> 00:38:43.840
even though they're wearing blankets, a
little sunlight's getting through, the little tiny

553
00:38:44.000 --> 00:38:46.679
threads of you know, weaving and
stuff getting through. I think that is

554
00:38:47.159 --> 00:38:52.719
is so was was just so well
done and very long act. Let me

555
00:38:52.760 --> 00:38:57.800
tell you about that gunfight. Okay, this is something you have got to

556
00:38:57.920 --> 00:39:04.199
give Captain bigelok credit to. So
anyone, anyone out there that's been to

557
00:39:04.280 --> 00:39:07.519
the range, has fired fired a
gun. I don't care if you're talking

558
00:39:07.559 --> 00:39:13.360
about a shotgun or a thirty eight. There's always going to be some kick

559
00:39:13.440 --> 00:39:16.480
to it. Okay. You can't
pull a trigger and not feel a little

560
00:39:16.480 --> 00:39:21.039
bit of a kick in Hollywood when
you're shooting. When you're shooting guns and

561
00:39:21.079 --> 00:39:24.079
they're firing blanks, there's absolutely no
kick. You can pull a trigger all

562
00:39:24.159 --> 00:39:28.079
day on a gun it's firing blanks. There will be no drawback, there's

563
00:39:28.079 --> 00:39:32.639
no recoil at all. Katherine Bigelow
knew that, so she took them to

564
00:39:32.719 --> 00:39:37.880
a gun range for a week and
had them fire guns just so they could

565
00:39:37.880 --> 00:39:40.599
get the muscle memory down of what
it feels like when you pull the trigger

566
00:39:40.679 --> 00:39:45.239
and that in your hand kind of
there's that recoil action. She had to

567
00:39:45.280 --> 00:39:47.960
see that on the screen and she
she had them go through that as a

568
00:39:47.960 --> 00:39:52.320
as a group. She had them
do that so that they knew how to

569
00:39:52.360 --> 00:39:53.960
hold a gun, how to fire
a gun, and more importantly, how

570
00:39:54.000 --> 00:39:59.719
to react to a gun going off. And I think that's just the dedication.

571
00:40:00.280 --> 00:40:01.960
That's brilliant, and it goes and
more than that, and it's something

572
00:40:02.000 --> 00:40:05.400
I want to talk about here in
a second. But you know, they

573
00:40:05.679 --> 00:40:07.679
do that thing where they have to
kind of get ready for daylight in the

574
00:40:07.679 --> 00:40:13.039
car. They have to black out
the car with the foil and everything.

575
00:40:13.559 --> 00:40:15.599
She said, if you sat in
a car and tried to do that,

576
00:40:15.800 --> 00:40:17.599
it would take you a solid thirty
minutes to an hour to do it right.

577
00:40:19.360 --> 00:40:22.800
She had them rehearse that for over
a week as a group and assigned

578
00:40:22.840 --> 00:40:25.480
like, hey, you're on spray
paint, you're on foil, you're on

579
00:40:25.559 --> 00:40:30.360
double side of tape. She had
them rehearse that for a week and they

580
00:40:30.400 --> 00:40:32.639
got it to where they could do
the whole car in two minutes because she

581
00:40:32.760 --> 00:40:37.360
needed she needed that realism to say, Hey, they've been driving since cars

582
00:40:37.360 --> 00:40:42.039
have been we're you know, we're
invented. They need to know how to

583
00:40:42.079 --> 00:40:45.760
make a quick cover for themselves,
to protect themselves. And I love that

584
00:40:45.800 --> 00:40:50.679
because it's when you watch the film
and they have to do this this blackout

585
00:40:50.719 --> 00:40:54.199
scene a couple different times, and
it's it's not so much that they're doing

586
00:40:54.199 --> 00:40:57.639
it. It's that they're just reacting. It's almost like they're not. It's

587
00:40:57.639 --> 00:40:59.719
like a second it's like second nature
to them. They don't have to think

588
00:40:59.719 --> 00:41:01.840
about on it. You know,
even when you see someone hands someone,

589
00:41:02.000 --> 00:41:05.480
no one's looking, there's no eye
contact like hey, or you take this

590
00:41:05.599 --> 00:41:07.239
or you take that. They're just
handing it and it's it's all fluid and

591
00:41:07.239 --> 00:41:12.119
it's it's gorgeous. I love it. And they're doing it while still I

592
00:41:12.159 --> 00:41:15.039
mean, Lance Hendrickson's you and stuff
with one arm while still driving the winnip

593
00:41:15.079 --> 00:41:21.519
and I'm like, uh, just
very very very impressive. Now you mentioned

594
00:41:21.519 --> 00:41:24.119
dislikes, there were there are a
few dislikes in the movie that that I

595
00:41:24.119 --> 00:41:29.119
can guess bring up. Like I
said, I I would have liked a

596
00:41:29.159 --> 00:41:34.239
different male lead Adrian start with for
you, huh, I didn't. I

597
00:41:34.280 --> 00:41:38.280
didn't buy his accent. You know, he looked to city boy for me.

598
00:41:38.559 --> 00:41:43.039
You know it just as far as
his vulnerability, yes, dead on.

599
00:41:43.559 --> 00:41:49.360
But I think with an eighty seven
we could have found maybe somebody had

600
00:41:49.400 --> 00:41:53.679
a little bit more stronger presence.
But you know, but you know,

601
00:41:53.760 --> 00:41:59.039
that's that's that's a very small dislike
out of the movie. I mean,

602
00:41:59.360 --> 00:42:01.519
all in all, it's you know, it's it's it does not make or

603
00:42:01.559 --> 00:42:05.679
break the movie, no, you
know, with him at all. And

604
00:42:05.719 --> 00:42:08.119
then you know, you got that
Tim Thomerson who was the character of Iron

605
00:42:08.199 --> 00:42:13.320
Eagles Dad, Iron Eagles Dad.
I think I think he had some did

606
00:42:13.440 --> 00:42:16.920
he do like he had a role
like didn't have like directive video, wasn't

607
00:42:16.920 --> 00:42:22.400
the Whn't there was like the movie
The Trancers. Yeah, it's like some

608
00:42:22.559 --> 00:42:27.440
cheesy sci fi series where he was
like the main lead. I'm gonna stay

609
00:42:27.639 --> 00:42:30.480
in the age and past our camp. I thought he did all right,

610
00:42:30.679 --> 00:42:36.719
But if there was one thing the
movie could have improved upon, yeah,

611
00:42:36.840 --> 00:42:40.119
Iron Eagles Dad, he definitely kind
of he hands it up a little too

612
00:42:40.199 --> 00:42:44.360
much. I don't know how much. I believe him. Now what very

613
00:42:45.480 --> 00:42:50.519
what did you think of the ending? The final ending? How did you

614
00:42:50.559 --> 00:42:54.480
feel about the ending? Are you
talking about like him curing them of yes?

615
00:42:54.920 --> 00:43:00.760
Okay, so uh interesting interesting story
here again. Catherine Bigelow is out

616
00:43:00.800 --> 00:43:07.360
to make a realistic take on vampires. So the whole idea of Caleb's dad

617
00:43:07.639 --> 00:43:12.960
being able to give him blood transfusion
and more or less heal him much in

618
00:43:13.000 --> 00:43:17.039
the same way they end up healing
may that actually is an idea that she

619
00:43:17.119 --> 00:43:22.280
got from none other than brom Stoker. So the bloodletting is what is what

620
00:43:22.559 --> 00:43:28.920
Stoker called it, the idea that
you could basically nearly drain all the blood

621
00:43:28.920 --> 00:43:32.760
out of out of a vampire's body
and then fill it back with clean blood,

622
00:43:32.960 --> 00:43:36.880
as it were, could heal you. As far as her creating her

623
00:43:36.880 --> 00:43:40.719
own mythology, she actually lifted that
from bram Stoker and and added that because

624
00:43:40.760 --> 00:43:45.079
she wanted she wanted that happy ending. You know, you you gotta you

625
00:43:45.079 --> 00:43:47.519
gotta give these kids a chance to
be together, because they almost have like

626
00:43:47.559 --> 00:43:52.239
that that Romeo and Juliet moment when
he gets turned back and she's still a

627
00:43:52.320 --> 00:43:54.239
vampire, and you're like, how
are they going to end up together.

628
00:43:55.239 --> 00:44:00.280
So I like it. It's it's
not something you see in other vampire movies.

629
00:44:00.679 --> 00:44:02.920
Yeah, you know, once you're
a vampire, you're kind of you

630
00:44:04.000 --> 00:44:07.039
kind of unless you killed the head
vampire, kind of like a frog Brothers

631
00:44:07.039 --> 00:44:09.159
thing and loss boys, you don't. Yeah, it didn't matter. You

632
00:44:09.199 --> 00:44:12.800
could kill Lan Sandwards and all you
want, but you're gonna stay a vampire

633
00:44:12.920 --> 00:44:15.719
in this movie unless you do the
blood transfusion. And you know, I

634
00:44:16.440 --> 00:44:22.360
buy it because his dad is a
is a veterinarian. You know, he's

635
00:44:22.400 --> 00:44:24.719
taking and you know he's taking care
of like what like bulls and cows and

636
00:44:24.760 --> 00:44:30.079
horses and all this stuff on the
farm. So I know, and that's

637
00:44:30.079 --> 00:44:32.039
the thing instead of having him be
a doctor and being a veterinarian, he

638
00:44:32.079 --> 00:44:36.679
knows more than one blood type.
Yes, yes, so I thought that

639
00:44:36.719 --> 00:44:39.440
was cool. It plays for me. I think it works. My only

640
00:44:39.440 --> 00:44:45.199
wishy with is is that I feel
like May really didn't want to become human.

641
00:44:45.480 --> 00:44:47.480
You don't think so. I felt
she was pretty, you know.

642
00:44:47.559 --> 00:44:52.599
I felt like that her being a
vampire was an escape from something terrible in

643
00:44:52.639 --> 00:44:58.119
her life. And I felt like
when she woke up and she's like I'm

644
00:44:58.159 --> 00:45:01.760
not vampire anymore. That I don't
know. I thought it was a very

645
00:45:02.599 --> 00:45:10.880
very rosy ending for such a dark
movie, So I completely disagree. Her

646
00:45:10.920 --> 00:45:17.519
backstory as she tells Caleb, she's
in high school and Homer the young the

647
00:45:17.559 --> 00:45:22.119
young boy who is actually like in
his forties or fifties, you know,

648
00:45:22.159 --> 00:45:25.239
because he's been a vampire that long. She tells Caleb the story about how

649
00:45:25.280 --> 00:45:30.800
Homer uh was was acting like a
fifth grade or needing, needing help with

650
00:45:30.800 --> 00:45:35.000
his homework, and then he bit
her and turned her. And then even

651
00:45:35.119 --> 00:45:37.039
at the beginning when she has that, she has that line, that really

652
00:45:37.079 --> 00:45:43.159
sad line. She's all, she's
so enamored with the Scott, the stars

653
00:45:43.159 --> 00:45:45.280
and the darkness, and she's telling
Caleb like, look out those stars,

654
00:45:45.280 --> 00:45:49.280
what do you see? You know? And he's you can tell he look

655
00:45:49.320 --> 00:45:51.760
the dudes, he's a cowboy.
He's just trying to hook up. He's

656
00:45:52.320 --> 00:45:54.440
he's not really buying into what she's
talking about. But she has that really

657
00:45:54.440 --> 00:45:58.559
sad line about that the light from
the star that they're looking at, and

658
00:45:58.599 --> 00:46:02.039
how a thousand years from now,
she'll still be here when it when it,

659
00:46:02.079 --> 00:46:06.360
when it gets here, she'll she'll
be here, and I feel like

660
00:46:07.199 --> 00:46:12.039
she's she's a very sad character.
She's very she doesn't want the life she

661
00:46:12.079 --> 00:46:15.400
has and uh, and I think
that's why for me, I think that's

662
00:46:15.400 --> 00:46:20.360
why she brings Caleb into the mix, you know, to have a companion,

663
00:46:20.519 --> 00:46:22.519
someone, someone that she can relate
to. Yeah, and I think

664
00:46:22.519 --> 00:46:27.440
that's why they immediately reject him at
the beginning. So I'm going to disagree.

665
00:46:27.440 --> 00:46:30.719
I don't think she's happy being a
vampire at all. I think she's

666
00:46:30.719 --> 00:46:35.159
relieved. And when she does wake
up in the barn and the sunlight hits

667
00:46:35.159 --> 00:46:37.719
her, I think that's just her
her immediate reaction to I'm about to get

668
00:46:37.719 --> 00:46:42.320
burned and it's gonna hurt and then
she realizes, hey, I'm okay,

669
00:46:42.400 --> 00:46:45.400
it's it's not gonna hurt me.
So I got I gotta agree. I

670
00:46:45.440 --> 00:46:47.360
gotta disagree, Man, I see
it a different way with her. Have

671
00:46:47.639 --> 00:46:52.039
you seen. I think I saw
more people on fire in this film that

672
00:46:52.079 --> 00:46:59.400
I did in Backdraft. There's so
many people on fire, which is very

673
00:46:59.440 --> 00:47:02.039
impressive for nineteen eighty seven, you
know. Yeah. So, and this

674
00:47:02.079 --> 00:47:06.159
is one of those things where,
yes, sunlight will kill a vampire in

675
00:47:06.159 --> 00:47:09.639
this in this mythology in Near Dark. But it's gonna be a slow and

676
00:47:09.679 --> 00:47:15.480
painful process because and painful. They're
basically just gonna get barbecued until I think.

677
00:47:15.519 --> 00:47:20.760
I think, I think they kind
of create the reality that if you've

678
00:47:20.800 --> 00:47:23.159
been in the sunlight long enough,
you will spontaneously combust, as we see

679
00:47:23.239 --> 00:47:25.639
several of them have. That happens
to them and them, yeah in the

680
00:47:25.760 --> 00:47:30.840
end. But and I mean in
Homer's death, Oh that kid, I

681
00:47:30.880 --> 00:47:36.119
mean the way the way he buys
it is just I mean, sure he's

682
00:47:36.159 --> 00:47:39.599
probably fifty, sixty whatever years old, but it's still a child. I'll

683
00:47:39.679 --> 00:47:46.400
watch him just explode on my on
my TV. But I mean it's yeah,

684
00:47:46.480 --> 00:47:50.599
I mean this is yeah, and
I saw it was just like god,

685
00:47:50.639 --> 00:47:55.000
this you can feel the pain of
them when I'm running down that road.

686
00:47:55.360 --> 00:48:00.119
Oh yeah, yeah, it definitely. I mean this is a gritty

687
00:48:00.159 --> 00:48:04.559
movie. It's a very gritty movie. You know, what do you think

688
00:48:04.599 --> 00:48:10.760
as far as vampire films go,
in as many as we've seen, Okay,

689
00:48:12.079 --> 00:48:15.480
this is tough for me because I
love Near Dark. Is it in

690
00:48:15.519 --> 00:48:17.000
the top It's not in the top
five of all time? You know,

691
00:48:17.039 --> 00:48:21.719
when I think about the vampire movies, that I have to see this time

692
00:48:21.760 --> 00:48:24.119
of year in October. I'm gonna
watch it, but I'm not. It's

693
00:48:24.199 --> 00:48:27.599
I don't expect people to be like, oh, when are we watching Near

694
00:48:27.679 --> 00:48:29.840
Dark? Because, like you said, it's a cult classic. It definitely

695
00:48:29.840 --> 00:48:31.480
has a following. But for me, it's one of it's one of my

696
00:48:31.519 --> 00:48:37.519
go toos, uh if only for
the fact that it it's not your typical

697
00:48:37.079 --> 00:48:42.760
bats and castles and coffins type of
vampire movie. For me, it almost

698
00:48:42.840 --> 00:48:45.800
it almost plays like a companion piece
to The Lost Boys. And maybe that's

699
00:48:45.800 --> 00:48:47.760
because it came out the same year, but I almost feel like those two

700
00:48:47.800 --> 00:48:51.960
movies exist in the same universe.
I could, I could believe it,

701
00:48:52.079 --> 00:48:55.000
if that makes sense. Yeah,
And the thing is the eighties kind of

702
00:48:55.119 --> 00:49:00.239
really reinvented the vampire film, you
know. They was the last kind of

703
00:49:00.280 --> 00:49:04.119
thing that you had heard about with
vampire type of movies were those hammer films.

704
00:49:04.239 --> 00:49:08.199
So as far as mainstream, it
wasn't mainstream until you know, The

705
00:49:08.280 --> 00:49:13.840
Lost Boys, Near Dark, Fright
Night, The Hunger. You know,

706
00:49:14.039 --> 00:49:19.559
the vampires ruled the eighties and I
love a good vampire movie, and I

707
00:49:19.639 --> 00:49:24.159
love the fact that you can have
so many different things you can make your

708
00:49:24.159 --> 00:49:29.639
own myth about it. And I
love that if this isn't the okay check

709
00:49:29.679 --> 00:49:31.639
all the boxes of vampires stuff that
we have to do in this movie,

710
00:49:31.800 --> 00:49:35.480
they didn't have to do this,
and they did it in a way that

711
00:49:36.480 --> 00:49:39.320
I mean, you can almost say
that John Carpenter's Vampires can you know,

712
00:49:39.440 --> 00:49:43.599
as kind of a spin off of
this in some way, you know,

713
00:49:43.719 --> 00:49:50.559
of the Desert. And it's great
that we have so many subgenres of the

714
00:49:50.639 --> 00:49:55.000
vampire film. So let me tell
you one thing I don't like about not

715
00:49:55.079 --> 00:49:59.519
that it's not that it's a dislike, but it's something that I'm like some

716
00:49:59.639 --> 00:50:02.119
of you could so I'm like,
well, yeah, maybe maybe. And

717
00:50:02.159 --> 00:50:06.519
I don't know if it takes away
from the like some of the dramatic movements

718
00:50:06.519 --> 00:50:08.360
of the movie. But if I'm
going to believe that these vampires have been

719
00:50:08.800 --> 00:50:13.679
out there on the road for decades
and they've got their system down right,

720
00:50:13.719 --> 00:50:16.079
they know how to conceal themselves,
I gotta tell you when you watch this

721
00:50:16.119 --> 00:50:23.960
movie, these vampires lack a serious
sense of urgency and time management. Not

722
00:50:23.800 --> 00:50:29.000
to not to sound like the assistant
manager, but they have they have no

723
00:50:29.519 --> 00:50:32.719
time management skills because I feel like
every time you turn around, they're like,

724
00:50:32.920 --> 00:50:37.119
shit, the sun's coming up and
they have to immediately, you know,

725
00:50:37.199 --> 00:50:38.880
quickly. Damn it. You're a
vampire. You've been doing this for

726
00:50:38.960 --> 00:50:42.159
decades, you know, when the
sun's coming up. And like they're all

727
00:50:42.159 --> 00:50:44.760
like, I lost track of time. How how are you losing track of

728
00:50:44.800 --> 00:50:47.239
time as a vampire? Yeah?
You and like how did you live this

729
00:50:47.360 --> 00:50:50.960
long? Yeah? You know this
long with you know, I mean,

730
00:50:51.039 --> 00:50:54.320
come on, you gotta know when
the sun's coming up. And they several

731
00:50:54.320 --> 00:50:58.920
times they are racing the daylight,
you know, check it, check it

732
00:50:58.960 --> 00:51:02.639
into the motel or when they're in
the station wagon. It's like, come

733
00:51:02.679 --> 00:51:06.960
on, man, get a watch
we have you mean, I think we

734
00:51:07.079 --> 00:51:10.760
have internal clocks. We know when
it's daylight outside or night time and stuff

735
00:51:10.760 --> 00:51:14.719
like, yeah, get get better
at that, you know, be better,

736
00:51:14.800 --> 00:51:20.039
be a better vampire. Do you
think that if if there was no

737
00:51:20.360 --> 00:51:22.920
Lost Boys film that this film would
have done better? No? And here's

738
00:51:22.960 --> 00:51:28.440
why. If anything I think this
movie was I would think the Lost Boys

739
00:51:28.480 --> 00:51:30.639
helped this movie because, as I
said, like, I'm pretty sure Lost

740
00:51:30.679 --> 00:51:35.519
Boys came out at the end of
July, Okay, and we know that's

741
00:51:35.519 --> 00:51:38.039
a big hit that would love Lost
Boys. So if I'm if, if

742
00:51:38.079 --> 00:51:42.400
I'm going to the theater that year
and I have a good time at Lost

743
00:51:42.679 --> 00:51:46.000
seeing The Lost Boys, and then
I see a poster for Near Dark and

744
00:51:46.039 --> 00:51:50.800
it has that same, you know, contemporary vampire movie feel to it,

745
00:51:51.239 --> 00:51:53.000
I would think I'd be excited,
I would want I'd want to go see

746
00:51:53.039 --> 00:51:55.840
it. I don't know, I
don't I don't know if Lost Boys helped

747
00:51:55.880 --> 00:52:00.159
it or hurt it. But it's
a good it's a good thing to to

748
00:52:00.239 --> 00:52:05.199
ponder. Yeah, I mean it's
I kind of see this as you know

749
00:52:05.320 --> 00:52:08.800
how You've got something like an American
werewolf in London, which is great,

750
00:52:09.360 --> 00:52:14.320
but then you also have something like
The Howling, which is, well,

751
00:52:14.840 --> 00:52:19.760
this is a horror werewolf movie too, and we kind of do some of

752
00:52:19.760 --> 00:52:22.280
the same thing as far as effects
and stuff, you know, kind of

753
00:52:22.320 --> 00:52:25.360
like the give Us Give Us a
Shot too, you know. Yeah,

754
00:52:25.639 --> 00:52:30.199
And maybe it's because, like The
Lost Boys, it has a more comedic

755
00:52:30.280 --> 00:52:32.440
feel to it. Yeah, Near
Dark does not have that at all.

756
00:52:32.559 --> 00:52:36.760
It's more of a you know,
it's yeah, it's a Western, it's

757
00:52:36.840 --> 00:52:40.320
it's a vampire movie, but it's
also it takes itself. Seriously, you

758
00:52:40.360 --> 00:52:44.119
know, does it? It doesn't
cheese it up the way The Lost Boys

759
00:52:44.119 --> 00:52:46.760
does it to an extent. Yeah, okay, So let me ask you

760
00:52:46.840 --> 00:52:52.480
this. Clearly, Catherine Bigelow is
not finished. She's got a long career.

761
00:52:52.519 --> 00:52:54.400
However, so let me ask you
this, based on what you've seen

762
00:52:54.440 --> 00:52:58.199
her do, what what do you
want to see her do next? Or

763
00:52:58.239 --> 00:53:01.119
what would you like to see Captain
Bigelow do? Well? I mean as

764
00:53:01.199 --> 00:53:05.159
much as I say now that I
want her to kind of do something else

765
00:53:05.199 --> 00:53:08.039
besides the you know, war type
of films. It looks like one of

766
00:53:08.039 --> 00:53:13.119
her next projects is going to be
some bagdad film. But I think after

767
00:53:13.239 --> 00:53:16.960
doing you know, stuff like The
hurt Locker and Zero Dark thirty, she's

768
00:53:17.079 --> 00:53:22.400
spread out to where I would like
to see something different. Maybe not an

769
00:53:22.440 --> 00:53:28.239
action film, you know, maybe
something more you know, I didn't see

770
00:53:28.239 --> 00:53:32.800
the movie that Detroit, but something
with maybe not so much of a of

771
00:53:34.239 --> 00:53:38.440
a history lesson you know in it, you know, something just you know,

772
00:53:38.800 --> 00:53:43.239
not a based on a true story, no more based on a true

773
00:53:43.280 --> 00:53:45.519
stories is what I'd like to see
from Katherine Bigger. I'd like to see,

774
00:53:45.559 --> 00:53:47.360
you know, because you know,
she's one of the co writers of

775
00:53:47.360 --> 00:53:51.199
the script of Near Dark. So
I would like to see her, you

776
00:53:51.199 --> 00:53:53.920
know, attempts another original material type
of type of film, if I have

777
00:53:54.039 --> 00:53:59.079
my pick. And Katherine, if
you're listening, if you hear this,

778
00:54:00.480 --> 00:54:04.800
someone at Warner Brothers and DC need
to get a hold of her. Now,

779
00:54:04.800 --> 00:54:07.440
hold on. I know you're gonna
think. I know you're I know

780
00:54:07.480 --> 00:54:10.159
you're kind of sick of the whole
superhero thing. But I would love to

781
00:54:10.199 --> 00:54:19.320
see Katherine Bigelow do a zay Tanna
film for for DC the DC movies now.

782
00:54:19.480 --> 00:54:21.400
And I don't know if you're familiar
with her, She's one. She

783
00:54:21.519 --> 00:54:24.280
is one of the most badass female
superheroes in the DC universe. She's the

784
00:54:24.320 --> 00:54:28.639
Magician. I don't know if you
ever maybe you've seen it in Justice League

785
00:54:28.760 --> 00:54:32.639
or I've seen it Smallville. Yeah, so I would love to see Katherine

786
00:54:32.639 --> 00:54:37.679
Bigelow do Aza Tana film for for
the DC unit. Well, I don't

787
00:54:37.679 --> 00:54:40.159
know if they don't, if they're
still calling with the DC you extended Universal,

788
00:54:42.039 --> 00:54:45.400
whatever, whatever the case may be. But but give us another strong

789
00:54:45.480 --> 00:54:50.559
female superhero, give us a strong
female director to do it. Katherine Bigelow

790
00:54:50.920 --> 00:54:57.199
Zatanna. Yeah, And if Katherine
Bigelow, you know, really started the

791
00:54:57.199 --> 00:55:01.199
women director movement for more modern generation. You know, you don't have Greta

792
00:55:01.239 --> 00:55:05.440
Gerwig, you don't have Petty Jenkins. You know, you don't have some

793
00:55:05.480 --> 00:55:09.639
of these people without Katherine Bigelow.
And she really is, you know,

794
00:55:09.719 --> 00:55:15.480
she's a trailbraiser because not only does
she win the Academy Award for Best Director,

795
00:55:15.960 --> 00:55:22.480
not she beats her ex husband,
who the last time he was nominated

796
00:55:22.480 --> 00:55:27.639
for Academy Award swept everybody. Do
you know how satisfying that probably made her

797
00:55:27.679 --> 00:55:30.320
feel. It's somebody to be able
to say, like, yeah, I'm

798
00:55:30.400 --> 00:55:34.880
up against my ex husband who last
time he was here Klinghouse, but I'm

799
00:55:34.880 --> 00:55:38.599
gonna take him down with my little
war film she did. You know what

800
00:55:38.639 --> 00:55:43.920
else I love about her? If
someone says, hey, what's your favorite

801
00:55:44.000 --> 00:55:49.239
rom com that Katherine Bigelow did,
the answer is none, because she doesn't

802
00:55:49.239 --> 00:55:52.480
do that that bullshit. You know, she doesn't. She doesn't just accept

803
00:55:53.360 --> 00:55:58.079
like you know, and I think
this is something that that female directors are

804
00:55:58.519 --> 00:56:01.880
definitely getting away from. But you
know, Katherine Bigelow has taken like if

805
00:56:01.880 --> 00:56:05.920
you look at all of her body
of work, you know, it's it's

806
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stuff that you typically wouldn't see a
female director tackle. And uh, and

807
00:56:09.320 --> 00:56:13.679
I love that about her. You
know, she can make She's proven that

808
00:56:13.719 --> 00:56:15.599
she can make a better war film, she can make a better you know,

809
00:56:15.880 --> 00:56:20.800
horror film, she can she can
do drama better. It's not it's

810
00:56:20.840 --> 00:56:22.639
not about you know, who she
is, It's about what what her talent

811
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is. And that's what That's one
thing I just I love about her movies.

812
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And I always get excited when I
hear she's she's got a new one

813
00:56:29.800 --> 00:56:31.639
coming out. And the thing is, I don't think we've seen her best

814
00:56:31.719 --> 00:56:35.719
yet. I think the best is
yet to come. I would agree.

815
00:56:35.880 --> 00:56:38.199
I would definitely agree. I think
the more I've seen, when you go

816
00:56:38.320 --> 00:56:44.239
from just something like her Locker to
Zero Dark thirty, you see a director

817
00:56:44.280 --> 00:56:49.440
improving, And I think she is
going to get better and better and and

818
00:56:49.440 --> 00:56:53.320
and once again gonna open just the
floodgates, you know, to for women

819
00:56:53.320 --> 00:56:58.079
directors, which you know definitely needs
to be done, because I mean,

820
00:56:58.440 --> 00:57:02.320
she makes movies that balls, in
my opinion, Point Break has balls.

821
00:57:04.159 --> 00:57:07.000
You know, it's it's a very
you know, you watch that movie like

822
00:57:07.039 --> 00:57:12.119
that's a very macho film. You
know it's and that's what's what's great about

823
00:57:12.159 --> 00:57:15.079
it. I mean, yeah,
I can't wait to see what she does

824
00:57:15.079 --> 00:57:16.800
next. Yeah, she doesn't need
to do a rob com if that's your

825
00:57:16.840 --> 00:57:20.440
thing, no problem. She wants
to do her own thing, and I

826
00:57:20.519 --> 00:57:23.800
love her for that. I think
she's absolutely absolutely Yeah, shout Factory needs

827
00:57:23.800 --> 00:57:30.000
to give us like a steelbook or
you know, lithograph cover something with some

828
00:57:30.000 --> 00:57:35.480
some killer extras. Come on,
shout Factory, help help us out.

829
00:57:35.960 --> 00:57:38.039
Yeah. But the thing is,
even when it was just on video,

830
00:57:38.199 --> 00:57:42.599
it was still a very difficult movie
to find. Cult classic that's what that's

831
00:57:42.599 --> 00:57:45.360
what they do. Yeah, and
uh so, but I mean, like

832
00:57:45.400 --> 00:57:47.360
I said, this one, this
one was fun to watch. I mean

833
00:57:47.400 --> 00:57:52.079
I really I had a lot of
fun watching this movie. For those listen

834
00:57:52.159 --> 00:57:57.280
out there, I mentioned our email
address and the Facebook page if you're trying

835
00:57:57.320 --> 00:58:01.679
to find the podcast, Uh,
it's on all of your favorite streaming platforms,

836
00:58:01.719 --> 00:58:07.559
Apple, Spotify, Google Podcast,
Stitcher, iHeart Radio. Check us

837
00:58:07.599 --> 00:58:12.840
out on Twitter at a film by
podcast. Same thing with Facebook. If

838
00:58:12.880 --> 00:58:15.719
there's if you have questions, if
you have comments, if you have if

839
00:58:15.760 --> 00:58:21.079
you have requests, let us know
because we're listening. And uh, well,

840
00:58:21.360 --> 00:58:22.360
we'll check out the movies you want
to hear about. Yeah, and

841
00:58:22.400 --> 00:58:27.199
so far the comments that we've god
have been great. You guys have given

842
00:58:27.239 --> 00:58:30.719
us a lot to a ponder about. Let's just say that, you know,

843
00:58:30.840 --> 00:58:32.039
we've we've been talking about your guys
comments. So you guys have got

844
00:58:32.079 --> 00:58:35.440
some good ones. But keep it
up. Please, more and more,

845
00:58:35.519 --> 00:58:37.880
please, we love it. Keep
them coming, all right? Well,

846
00:58:37.280 --> 00:58:40.599
Brad, anything else about it?
Near dark? It's near dark now where

847
00:58:40.639 --> 00:58:45.480
I'm at, So it's it's getting
near dark. What I say is that

848
00:58:45.039 --> 00:58:51.880
if you know someone that has a
copy, give it a try. Like

849
00:58:51.920 --> 00:58:53.480
I said, it is a tough
one, tough one to find, but

850
00:58:53.599 --> 00:58:59.199
I think eventually it will be available
for more to see and just see what

851
00:58:59.280 --> 00:59:04.639
a what a fun movie that it
is, how fantastic Bill Paxton is,

852
00:59:04.679 --> 00:59:07.400
and it what a great job Kathermer
Bigelow does writing and directing the film.

853
00:59:07.440 --> 00:59:12.000
It's it's I mean, it's it's
a lot of fun because it is different.

854
00:59:12.199 --> 00:59:15.280
It's it's not mainstream, and that's
what's the fun part about it.

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All right. Well, I have
been Jeff Johnson and I'm Brad Cozo and

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we'll see you next time, all
right. Thanks, guys,