Aug. 2, 2026

Kevin Smith - Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back

Kevin Smith - Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back

Kevin Smith & The Supers! This week, Jeff welcomes Ben McQuown and John Wright to the show to celebrate Kevin Smith, the View Askewniverse, and the 25th anniversary of Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back! This episode is available AD-FREE on...

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Season 7
Kevin Smith & The Supers!

This week, Jeff welcomes Ben McQuown and John Wright to the show to celebrate Kevin Smith, the View Askewniverse, and the 25th anniversary of Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back!

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So Kevin Smith celebrated his fifty sixth birthday yesterday. We've

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met him, we love him, we certainly love his work,

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and so it is that our theme for this month

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in August is Kevin Smith and the Supers. We've got

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some very fun episodes lined up for all of you

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out there. So let's talk about a film by Kevin Smith,

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his two thousand and one satirical Stoner Buddy action movie

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Jane and Bob Strike Back. Hello everybody, I'm Jeff Johnson

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and this is a film by podcast. I've got two

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friends of the show with me today. One cells Must

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Have Toys, one sells Must Have Art. You can find

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both of them at comic cons all over and they

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both love the view a skew averse. Ben, Welcome back, buddy.

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It's good to see you.

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Against man. Happy to be here.

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Yeah, Our listeners, they they've already seen you a lot

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on our developing YouTube channel, our new series previously on

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where you join us for all things Spandex and superheroes.

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But Ben, when you're yeah, when you're not hanging out

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in front of a convenience store, you're you're in the dungeon.

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Yeah.

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In fact, if you look behind me right here, it's

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Dover's Dungeon. I am a streamer, video game streamer, and

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that's what I do for my side gig. Yeah, what

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I'm not selling toys when.

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You're not selling toys. Yeah, and you're where you selling toys.

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I see that.

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We see the logo Ben give us.

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And collectibles right here.

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I don't know if it's backwards, but it's COLLECTIBLESO.

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This shop is absolutely awesome, Absolutely love it. And Uh

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and Ben, it's always cool to stop in your You're

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right there behind the counter.

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I mean you are in essence of clerk.

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You.

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You are Kevin Smith.

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You know, Ohio, Kevin Smith, Ohio. Uh.

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John Wright been a while, my friend. Uh.

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I think the last time you were on we were

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talking about the Charlist, the Rone in that slick action

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film Atomic Blonde.

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I love John.

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Your art's amazing. I happen to have several pieces on

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my walls. But for our listeners just now discovering the

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art of John Wright, or maybe they're tuning into a

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film by podcast for the first time, tell us a

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little bit about this art.

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It's culture slash horror based. I'm currently working developing a

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script for my own title. I'm not doing that me

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standing out in front of local comic shop, probably Bellbook

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and Comic trying to talk you know, past issues on kid.

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Those guys are great too. It's always it's always great

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to see you. I know you're kind of a fixture

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at Horror Hound here instance in Ohio. I know you've

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done some other shows too, but it's the Bell Book

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and Comic guys are always They're never too far behind you, right,

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They're always It's always cool to see those guys too.

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Yeah, those guys are taken me under it.

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He's a great guy. Yes, it's a very great guy.

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He has he actually has a case in our shop.

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Yep.

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Oh, okay.

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Interconnected here, Yeah, we're talking about Kevin Smith movie that

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kind of connects all his films. And I've got two

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guests that I thought were meeting for the first time.

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But you've got a little bit of interconnectivity between the

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two of you. That's that's awesome cool.

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It is super awesome.

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Six Smith.

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Yeah, Well, let's uh, let's talk three facts you may

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not know about Kevin Smith. You guys are gonna know

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all of these facts, but maybe we've got some listeners.

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I don't know, we've got a lot of Kevin Smith

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fans that listen to us. I know our one hundredth

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episode was a Kevin Smith two parter. A couple of

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seasons ago, we did Zach and Maury make a Porno, but.

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Three things you may not know out there.

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After he completed Malrats in nineteen ninety five for Universal,

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he actually pitched an idea for Jalls five and they

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liked it so much they gave him the go ahead

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to write the treatment. And for reasons I'm not sure about,

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he he never did so something something we're gonna have

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to We're gonna have to ask.

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Him about next time we see him. Because, as I said,

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we've all met Kevin. He is a fantastic guy. Maybe

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he gives the world's best hugs. Ben I am I

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right in saying that.

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Oh yeah, I met him a couple months ago for

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the first time. Finally I went to Jersey. They did

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a podcast at his movie theater that he has there.

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This podcast, Yeah, yeah, it was great, man. And then

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the purchase of a ticket came with a photo op

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and so I got in the back of the line,

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and uh, just so I could see if I can

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get a conversation in with him trying to be sneaky

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and uh, man, as soon as you get up to

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him literally and I mean this wholeheartedly, arms wide open,

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just big old just come here and bring it in, man,

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and like, I've never been more happy in my entire life.

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Maybe I've talked to him a couple of times, and

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we've even there's been once or twice I think on

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on Twitter a couple couple of years ago.

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But he might be one of the most sincere people

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I've ever talked to.

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Honestly, Uh, first time I met him in Columbus at

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Galaxy Con. He is just a very sincere, very heartfelt guy.

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You just walk away film like you just met your

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best friend.

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You really do?

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Yeah?

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Yeah yeah Uh.

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Run DMC, The Cure, The Police, and Talking Heads are

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among his favorite music groups. I thought, for sure i'd

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see I hear, I'd hear friends, I'd hear.

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Yeah, More's Day.

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But no, that More's Day for sure.

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Oh yeah, I mean you gotta love Morris Day. Another thing.

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Uh He's He's been on record saying this. He believes

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that had it not been for the success of his

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first film, Clerks, he would still be working to this

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day as a clerk at the quick stop in RST

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Video in Leonardo, New Jersey. I believe that not in

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a bad and I don't say that in a bad way.

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I just say like, he's doing what he loves, you know.

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I mean I think, I think that's something he's always done.

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Like he finds passion wherever he's at, and I dig

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that about him.

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He's a people person.

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He is he is.

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John.

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We've got a new format this season, and we've been

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we've been focused on the movies of two thousand and

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one and two thousand and six, celebrating twentieth and twenty

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fifth anniversaries, and for that reason alone, we've been going

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after like the big budget, well known, blockbuster type movies.

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And we don't need to give these long winded synopsis

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discussions for what these movies are about, because we we

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typically always talk about the underrated movies. But now I

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think we we've done a good job this season talking

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about what a movie is in exactly five words. So

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let's talk five words synopsis, John Wright, what is Jane's

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son a Bob strike Back all about?

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In exactly five words?

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That's limited to five? Actually, I can I think I

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can bring.

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Well, you got to know you got the game is

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you gotta.

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Do five, John, you have to do five.

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Okay, you have to do five.

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Buddy road Trip, all right.

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Ultimate buddy road trip comedy. All right, we'll give it

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to you, the Ultimate Buddy road trip comedy. It's a

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bold statement, John, there's some good road trip comedies out there.

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But I'm not gonna I'm not gonna deny you. I

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me know it's Jane sign of Bob so Ben five

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words exactly.

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Stoner's halt production of movie.

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That that actually, that's that's very right there.

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Uh Ben, you're Ben, You're really close to what I have.

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I've got lovable Stoners attack Hollywood greed.

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Ooh yeah, I like that.

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That's pretty good.

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Yeah.

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So Clerk's Maul Rats Chasing Amy Dogma first four movies

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kind of established that there is a connected universe that

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Kevin Smith is building. He dubs it the view of

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Skew a Verse, and uh, I think this movie kind

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of serves as the crossover event, uh, to legitimize the

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interconnectivity alls movies up to this point.

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It you could say it's his Avengers film at this point.

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Kind of Yeah, it ties together it all ties together.

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It's a universe.

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Yeah, John, did you did you feel rewarded as a

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long time fan of his films up to this point

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when when Jane Sabab Strikes Back came out?

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Yeah, I really did. This was the first film of

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it I actually got to see. I discovered him. I

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discovered him through Blackbustering Moss Wow, I had gone in

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for Empire Records and so both She's like, oh, my

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brothers seen the rent Clerk, so we immediately went out Clerk.

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There's a lot of celebrity cameos, a lot of pop

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culture references. You know, Smith has Ben Affleck, Matt Damon,

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Wes Craven playing themselves. We've got George Carlin, Mark Hamill,

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Kerrie Fisher, James Vanderbeek in hilarious small cameos.

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Ben.

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Do you think a lot of these moments do they

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do they hold up to to today?

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Absolutely so, Yeah, I do think it holds up today.

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I mean, like for someone that's such a small time

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director like Kevin Smith was and kind of like not

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well known yet to get those big names Chris Rock even,

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you know, and then the name eludes me right now

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for some reason. But ser We're a snape Alan Rickman.

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To get those people in there, that's huge, man, Like,

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those are names that people will never forget for the

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rest of you. Those are big, big names, and so yeah,

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I think in today's you know, people will always remember

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those names. For him to do that as just speaking

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volumes of who he is, well.

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I mean this film not only is it kind of

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connecting universes, it's also very self aware of itself, you know,

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especially like the toxicity of fandom, which I think it

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might be ahead of its time having that kind of

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conversation in two thousand and one. But I don't know, John,

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would you don't I don't think this is a hot

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take to say, Jay and Sign of Bob strikes back

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walked so later self aware movies like Deadpoole could run.

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Is that is that fair to say?

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Definitely, I mean there there are so many fourth Wall

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Brandanvie Yeah, definitely. Camera yeah, you know, and at one point,

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I think, if I remember correctly, Bob waves to so yeah,

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they're they're definitely in on it. And that's what he

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never He takes everything he does serious, but he never

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takes it, at least in this universe. So seriously as

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much interaction as you can project it Smith, and we'll

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prect it. I mean interest, he somehow found it finds

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you know, it's akin to the people that were at

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the movie that I saw, because the very last screening

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there had already been some people that are laughing at

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him stuff like that, but there was that tremendous fan

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of star. The audience is in on.

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So John, John told us a little bit about how

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he discovers Kevin Smith.

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Ben, do you remember, uh, your relationship with discovering Kevin Smith? Like?

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What was was Clerk's your first movie?

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Was it mal Rats like John? Or it actually was

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Where do you come in?

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It was mal Rockay, So you both are Marats guys

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bring Marats, bringing you guys into the US universe.

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That's awesome. So did you you saw this in the theater?

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You you rented at Blogbuster? Like? John?

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How'd you?

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How'd you discover him?

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I had a crush on a girl that I worked

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with at Bob Evans at the time. I think I

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was only sixteen years old and I was a busterer

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and I really liked this girl and she would always quote.

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Malrats and I did. I'd never heard of it.

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I didn't know what Malrats or Kevin Smith their Clerks

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was at the time. She's like, oh, you don't know,

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you have to come and watch this movie. Like, yes, cool,

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I'm going to go to this girl's house and watch

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this movie. And like I was fully invested in the

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movie and not her. After that because it was so good,

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I watched Marats and I'm like, this is amazing.

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You were right, thank you.

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So anytime I want to watch anything Kevin Smith, I

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always think about that girl.

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She interroduce me to to mall rats.

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Oh that's that's a hell of a first date. Like that,

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that girl did it that she gave you a real gift.

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That created what she did. She created a monster.

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I went back and and and and watched Clerks and

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I was a clerk at a gas station at the time. Yeah,

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and I could just identify with everything that he did

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from then on, like it was.

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I gotta I gotta tell you, I'm kind of happy

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because I'm in. I'm in at ground.

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Zero with uh with Brad Cozo.

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We were working at Suncoast Motion Picture Company at the time,

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so we basically our job consisted of going to the

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mall running a video store watching movies all day there.

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This is this is pre internet, so we're playing six

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degrees a Kevin Bacon all day long and just kind

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of bullshitting with people that came in.

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We had our regulars.

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We were the Clerks, and we would go to Blockbuster

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Video and rent movies after after the mall closed. And

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one time someone says, there's a movie about you, guys,

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you gotta go rent. It's called Clerks, and I was like, okay,

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so we you know, we grab it. We take it

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back to Brad's house and we watched this brilliant film

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and just so happens.

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I'm like, what's this guy done? Like we need more?

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And Brad looks it up and he's like, I think

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Brad like found it in Premier magazine, maybe back when

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we had Premier Magazine. He's like, there's a new movie

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coming out he's doing, like a big budget movie called

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mal Rats.

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I was like, sweet, another movie about us. Okay, let's

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check it out.

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But in on Kevin Smith from the get go, I've

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loved everything he's done. Let's take a quick break and

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then when we get bad Guys, we'll talk a little

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bit about the cast.

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Welcome back.

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I've got a couple of friends with me. We're talking

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about Kevin Smith's two thousand and one comedy Jay and Signent,

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Bob strike Back.

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Ben John.

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We'd be here all night with this cast, and we're

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gonna be talking about Kevin Smith all month long. Mostly,

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So let's talk about the guy who I want to

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say maybe now I'm not gonna say maybe.

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Let's talk about the star of the movie, Jason Muse.

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Playing Jay John. Starting with you, this is a big gamble.

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I mean, think about this huge, huge gamble. You know,

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Dimension is basically giving Smith a lot of money and

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the lead. I mean, yeah, granted, we've got Ben Affleck,

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Mark Hamill, Matt Dan, We've got all these great names, right,

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but when it comes down to it, the lead of

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the film is Jason Muse, who's done some small, hilarious

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moments in four other films.

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Well, you know, dog went not not a small moment.

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Obviously, he's he's a co star there. But this is

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a big movie. Smith's putting a lot of pressure on

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his best buddy. You know, how did Jason Muse stack

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up for you?

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And you stacked up ridibly high, especially given them he

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had basically Smith had basically told him, it's clean it

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up where you're agreed to go cold turkey illicit drugs.

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While the movie was shooting, He's got to carry the

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ways an incredibly great job in mind, as serious as

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you get out of me. You know, he's the heart

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and soul of the movie. He was the heart and

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soul of He kind of repeated.

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I thought, I think he's hilarious. This might be the

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funniest we've seen him up to this point.

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I think Jay's just a natural.

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I just think he is just naturally funny, and that's

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I think part of who he is on screen came

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out naturally because that is part of who he actually is.

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I think that is his actual personality. And I think

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we all knew that guy in our friend group back

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in the nineties. We all knew that funny guy that

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hung out and partied and just said funny things. And

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I think that portrayed his real life on screen kind

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of in a way. And I think he just nailed it,

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and I think it came naturally for him. I don't

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think he struggled.

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We've kind of you know, I know, we've talked about

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it off Mike and I know there's there's stories out

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there where he's so nervous to work with someone like

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Alec Alan Rickman. He is doing his damnedest to memorize

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the script, know his lines forwards and backwards, and just

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be the consummate professional. And you know, to John's point,

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he kind of knocks it out of the park with Dogma.

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He kind of he does steal the show. Okay, so

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outside of Jason Muse, he can't do what he's doing.

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Without someone like Shannon Elizabeth.

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I mean, the chemistry has got to be completely believable

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between them.

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Been your thoughts on the chemistry? Is it? Is it

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there between these two?

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Sure?

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I mean you can't have that good on screen chemistry

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and not have it off screen too. There's just no

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way you can't fake that type of like emotion and

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type of connection.

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You can't do that.

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They had definitely had some type of relationship, whether I

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don't think it's romantic, but I think they had some

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type of yeah, yeah, yeah, I think they were totally

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just connected.

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And they I mean, I mean, he's playing he's playing

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Jay and he's he's all over this girl. But you know,

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you got to me, you gotta remember her fiance is

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actually he's he's like playing like a key grip in

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the third ah, so yeah uh, and you know, and

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Smith talks about like how how confident he is when

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the cameras rolling, but the second the camera is done rolling,

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he's he kind of gets shy. He's kind of quiet,

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he's kind of reserved around her. But I tell you

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when when they when they meet at movies, she.

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Comes walking in.

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First off, I don't need that scene to keep Bad

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Medicine as like a top three, maybe maybe top two

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bon Jovie song in my playlist, because it's amazing. But

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I totally believe the chemistry and it's and it's funny

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because I could see a character like Justice kind of

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falling for Jay's abrasiveness and his quirkiness and his his

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unfiltered persona. Heather Graham did not believe in that, though,

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which is why she said no to the role. And

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I'm kind of struggling with this because I'm kind of

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happy it worked out. Don't get me wrong. I love

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Heather Graham, you know, and I love Shannon Elizabeth. But

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if you're Heather Graham, and this is something next time.

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Next time I talked to her I'm gonna I gotta

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ask her this. If you're Heather Graham, how do you

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not believe in the chemistry between these two characters? And

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say no, but you you do believe in the chemistry

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between her character and Austin Powers with someone like Austin Powers, Like,

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I just don't get it, John.

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I never knew that she was. I knew it one time,

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but yeah, the chemistry between the The funny thing is

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Jay's not really nice to her, no mean, but she

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just eat hook line. It's not in a ventive way.

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It's not in a smith always Right's very strong and

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this is another wa she's not.

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Yeah, it's I think where we see him as incredibly offensive,

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she just kind of sees it as enduring, like he's

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I think I think his inability to have a filter

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is what what draws her in. And I kind of

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dig it. I really, I really do.

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I really do the scene at the quick start, look

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at him, He's so innocent and coming.

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Over well even you know, back to their you know,

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his his the fantasy that's going off in his head

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with with bon Jovi. Where I mean there that is,

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that's that's some kissing that they're doing. But I love

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the fact that his hand is sliding up her rib

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cage and like you see the eye roll that she

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does mid.

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Kiss as she smashes his hand back back down.

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It's like, it's so good, you know. Ben thoughts on

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the rest of the team. Though, We've got who we

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got here, we got we got uh Eliza Dushku, We've

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got We've got Gin Schwabach got missus Kevin Smith, right.

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Yeah, and then Ali Ali Larder. Yeah.

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Uh, this is kind of is this like the sexiest

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heist team you've ever seen.

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On on on screen?

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Oh?

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Yeah, why do you think? Why do you think I

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became such a Kevin Smith fan in general? It wasn't

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because he's a good writer, actor director. It's because he

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knows how to cast females. Yeah, and knows how to

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I'm just kidding.

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I'm kidding.

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Well, no, you're right, You're right.

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This is again this is pre Avengers that we don't

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have these Marvel movies there.

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Their suits are are they're based off of Black.

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Widow, Laser and diamond stuff.

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Like they they just nailed that whole Cat Burglar role

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like you would think in a comic book. The how

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like Cat burglars would dress like.

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I just picked up one of my I was watching

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it again, the scene where Jay and Bob. If you

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at one point, if you look over Berdie's shoulder, there's

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on the wall four women in skin tight blackler suits

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in the pose that the girls come out of it.

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I gotta go, yeah, I mean, that's what I was saying,

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Like I again, like this is who better to talk

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about this movie with you guys, because like you guys

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are like our comic connoisseurs. You're you know, lovers of

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Kevin Smith. And I'm not even looking, you know. I mean,

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there's so much coming at you in a Kevin Smith

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movie like this where you're trying, like I'm trying to

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spot all the Easter eggs, you know, like of like

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the cameo appearances and like the characters that we've seen

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even in small like you know moments in other films.

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John's catching stuff on the walls. That's that's incredible, man.

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I you know, I gotta go back again and and

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and find that.

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Now, that's the first thing I'm gonna do when we're

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done and go look at that.

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Yeah, I gotta I gotta see that. How fun is it?

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To see guys like like Jason Lee playing multiple Kevin

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Smith characters or Ben Affleck for that matter, does it

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Does it work?

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Ben?

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Yeah?

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I mean that's I think that's kind of the point,

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Like that adds to the whole like fun of it,

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I think because Kevin Smith's whole point when he started,

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he just basically casted some friends and like they just

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had fun doing stuff like that, and they kind of

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put that in there as well, Oh you can play

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a couple roles, nobody's gonna care, it's fine. Everybody knows

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who you are at this point from separate movies, and

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it's just kind of funny to add that in there

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and and the audience will get it and connect with it,

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and I think we did.

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John John, we were talking about getting rewarded for coming

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along the journey with Kevin Smith. How about even like

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at the ending when the movie, the movie within the

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movie comes out and here comes Alyssa Jones and Tricia

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Jones walking out together.

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It's just like you're and you're just.

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Like, oh, it's Trisha the Dish. Yeah, yeahop Hooper X

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and Hooper X Yeah, Brody It's it's yeah.

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Those are the kind of.

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Ste they all came out.

477
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Yeah, it's that's the kind of stuff I think he's

478
00:24:15.039 --> 00:24:17.119
doing for the for the real fans that have been

479
00:24:17.119 --> 00:24:19.599
there for the beginning, and it absolutely works.

480
00:24:19.799 --> 00:24:23.559
It really does. One person I want to shout out.

481
00:24:23.559 --> 00:24:25.759
We always talk about we always say, all right, let's

482
00:24:25.759 --> 00:24:26.440
talk casting career.

483
00:24:26.440 --> 00:24:26.680
We don't.

484
00:24:26.720 --> 00:24:29.599
We don't really talk about crew a whole lot outside

485
00:24:29.640 --> 00:24:30.319
of composers.

486
00:24:30.319 --> 00:24:32.839
But I gotta I gotta give a shout out to

487
00:24:32.920 --> 00:24:34.960
Jamie Anderson here. Uh.

488
00:24:35.200 --> 00:24:37.799
Jamie Anderson is the director of photography for Jane Son

489
00:24:37.839 --> 00:24:38.680
and Bob strike Back.

490
00:24:39.599 --> 00:24:43.480
And you might not know the name right off.

491
00:24:43.680 --> 00:24:46.839
When I say it, John's nod his head, because yeah,

492
00:24:47.200 --> 00:24:53.920
his filmography is absolutely impressive. The guy shooting Jane Son

493
00:24:54.000 --> 00:24:58.359
Bob strike Back is the same guy that shot Joe

494
00:24:58.440 --> 00:25:02.359
Dante's Piranha in nineteen seventy eight and Sam Raimi's The

495
00:25:02.359 --> 00:25:06.200
Gift in two thousand. He was an assistant cameraman on

496
00:25:06.400 --> 00:25:12.200
Airplane Tron twilight Zone, the movie. He was even second

497
00:25:12.240 --> 00:25:16.599
ad on Ferris Bueller's Day Off, Back to School, The Burbs,

498
00:25:16.759 --> 00:25:20.839
The Running Man, Batman and Robin and joy Ride, just

499
00:25:20.880 --> 00:25:24.720
to name a few of his long and celebrated Philmography.

500
00:25:24.799 --> 00:25:28.279
So this guy is incredible. Kevin Smith. There's a there's

501
00:25:28.279 --> 00:25:31.599
an amazing audio commentary which I'm gonna go ahead and

502
00:25:31.599 --> 00:25:34.839
say right now, every Kevin Smith movie should be in

503
00:25:34.880 --> 00:25:39.880
your your library because he always does incredible audio commentaries

504
00:25:39.880 --> 00:25:43.160
and he always has you know, his cast or his

505
00:25:43.240 --> 00:25:47.000
crew or in sometimes both with him, and they kind

506
00:25:47.000 --> 00:25:50.039
of write a love letter to Jamie Anderson on the

507
00:25:50.160 --> 00:25:52.680
on the audio commentary for for Jane Solobobs Strike Back,

508
00:25:52.720 --> 00:25:54.799
So definitely check that out. But this guy, like I'm

509
00:25:54.799 --> 00:25:56.200
sitting there listening to I was like, wait a minute,

510
00:25:56.759 --> 00:25:58.279
Jamie Anderson worked on Piranha.

511
00:25:59.079 --> 00:26:00.400
Okay, let me what else.

512
00:26:00.279 --> 00:26:00.599
Did he did?

513
00:26:00.640 --> 00:26:02.640
And I I just went into the rabbit hole to

514
00:26:02.640 --> 00:26:05.920
see what else he's worked on. And again kind of

515
00:26:05.920 --> 00:26:12.000
cool because Piranha, The Gift, Ferris Bueller, Back to School,

516
00:26:12.240 --> 00:26:14.640
joy Ride, these are movies we've talked about, We've done

517
00:26:14.680 --> 00:26:17.039
episodes on these, so go back. You know, our our

518
00:26:17.079 --> 00:26:19.200
longtime listeners know we've we've talked about this movie.

519
00:26:19.240 --> 00:26:21.279
So if you if you join us for the first time,

520
00:26:21.319 --> 00:26:22.200
go back check it out.

521
00:26:22.480 --> 00:26:23.319
The heck of a Career.

522
00:26:23.839 --> 00:26:28.640
Yeah, absolutely, a little bit of insight because there's so

523
00:26:28.880 --> 00:26:31.640
much to mine from a Kevin Smith movie when it

524
00:26:31.640 --> 00:26:35.160
comes to like behind the scenes, and you can learn

525
00:26:35.200 --> 00:26:37.359
a lot from his the documentaries he puts on his

526
00:26:37.559 --> 00:26:41.559
uh his Blu rays, his DVDs, his like an evening

527
00:26:41.559 --> 00:26:42.200
with Kevin Smith.

528
00:26:42.240 --> 00:26:45.359
He's done several of these. Now the talk's ben I.

529
00:26:45.279 --> 00:26:49.119
Know, uh, you've you've you've heard him, You've heard him speak,

530
00:26:49.440 --> 00:26:50.319
I have John.

531
00:26:50.359 --> 00:26:53.160
I think you have too, haven't you? Uh not in person?

532
00:26:53.599 --> 00:27:00.680
Okay, okay, Well, so this is this is his biggest

533
00:27:00.680 --> 00:27:01.559
budget to date.

534
00:27:02.839 --> 00:27:03.759
In two thousand and one.

535
00:27:04.640 --> 00:27:07.480
They give him twenty million dollars and that's massive for

536
00:27:07.599 --> 00:27:10.240
Kevin Smithan when you think about his first film, Clerks,

537
00:27:10.759 --> 00:27:13.279
the budget on Clerks is a little over twenty seven

538
00:27:13.319 --> 00:27:17.960
thousand dollars. He sold a comic book collection he borrows,

539
00:27:18.279 --> 00:27:19.960
I want to say it was like three thousand from

540
00:27:20.000 --> 00:27:23.720
his parents and then maxed out almost ten credit cards

541
00:27:23.759 --> 00:27:27.640
to get the budget for his first film. So I

542
00:27:27.640 --> 00:27:30.519
mean a heck of a gamble for a guy working

543
00:27:30.559 --> 00:27:33.119
at a convenience store to take on himself, which we

544
00:27:33.200 --> 00:27:36.119
are very thankful that he did. And oh, by the way,

545
00:27:36.720 --> 00:27:38.440
all you comic book lovers out there, like the three

546
00:27:38.480 --> 00:27:41.720
of us, thinking man he gave up his collection. As

547
00:27:41.759 --> 00:27:43.759
soon as the money made a profit, he turned right

548
00:27:43.799 --> 00:27:45.480
back around, went back to the store and bought the

549
00:27:45.599 --> 00:27:46.519
entire collection back.

550
00:27:46.680 --> 00:27:52.400
So it's safe. It's bad where it belongs. But Dimension

551
00:27:52.680 --> 00:27:55.960
gives him twenty million dollars, and Smith is like, hey,

552
00:27:55.960 --> 00:27:58.440
don't worry. You don't need to see the first four

553
00:27:58.480 --> 00:27:59.799
movies to understand what's going on.

554
00:28:00.079 --> 00:28:03.440
It's fine, except that it's not. I mean, I guess

555
00:28:03.480 --> 00:28:08.000
you could watch this and enjoy it, but I couldn't

556
00:28:08.039 --> 00:28:09.359
imagine sitting down with someone.

557
00:28:09.400 --> 00:28:10.680
I would I mean, I would love to do this.

558
00:28:11.279 --> 00:28:13.000
You know, if there's a person out there that hasn't

559
00:28:13.039 --> 00:28:16.039
really watched Kevin Smith movies, I think it'd be fascinating

560
00:28:16.079 --> 00:28:20.400
to watch this first, just to gauge the reaction and

561
00:28:21.240 --> 00:28:23.920
see like, oh, you enjoyed this, you love this, Okay, well.

562
00:28:23.880 --> 00:28:24.720
Let me take you back.

563
00:28:25.359 --> 00:28:28.160
It's almost like it almost be like watching Star Wars

564
00:28:28.200 --> 00:28:31.839
episode four. Someone loves it, and then you're you take

565
00:28:31.880 --> 00:28:34.119
them back to the prequel. That'd be kind of mean spirited,

566
00:28:34.440 --> 00:28:37.519
now that I think about it, bad analogy.

567
00:28:37.559 --> 00:28:39.680
Sorry, never mind, don't do that. People don't do that.

568
00:28:39.720 --> 00:28:41.200
But you get my point.

569
00:28:41.240 --> 00:28:44.000
It'd be interesting you know, he sells it on the

570
00:28:44.039 --> 00:28:45.599
idea that you don't have to watch the first four

571
00:28:45.640 --> 00:28:49.119
movies to the studio executives. But let's be honest, you

572
00:28:49.119 --> 00:28:51.279
you kind of have to. If you're gonna get all

573
00:28:51.319 --> 00:28:52.960
the jokes, you're gonna get all the fun out of it.

574
00:28:53.519 --> 00:28:57.680
I think it's kind of important too. Yeah, uh, talking

575
00:28:57.680 --> 00:29:01.799
about workaholic. So Smith is shooting this all day long,

576
00:29:02.680 --> 00:29:06.039
and then he and his producing partner Scott Mosure are

577
00:29:06.319 --> 00:29:10.920
editing in real time every night. He's literally cutting the

578
00:29:10.960 --> 00:29:14.920
film after shooting the film all day long. And I

579
00:29:14.960 --> 00:29:17.680
don't know if this was like to meet a deadline

580
00:29:17.720 --> 00:29:20.119
or if he's just he's just so jazz to be

581
00:29:20.119 --> 00:29:20.680
working on that.

582
00:29:20.720 --> 00:29:22.559
He he can't stop, he can't turn his brain off.

583
00:29:22.599 --> 00:29:25.799
But imagine that you're on the set all day and

584
00:29:25.839 --> 00:29:28.640
then you're he's he's he's looking at it every night

585
00:29:28.799 --> 00:29:32.039
and and Mosure is right there with him just put

586
00:29:32.079 --> 00:29:34.279
it together. I think that's kind of cool, like, you know,

587
00:29:35.599 --> 00:29:38.519
because you gotta wonder, like, is he's showing Obviously there's dailies,

588
00:29:38.519 --> 00:29:41.160
but you're wondering if he's showing like little raw cuts

589
00:29:41.160 --> 00:29:41.799
of the film.

590
00:29:41.599 --> 00:29:43.359
To to people.

591
00:29:43.079 --> 00:29:44.839
As they as they move along, like, all right, we're

592
00:29:44.880 --> 00:29:47.720
not working on Sunday. Check out what we've done so far.

593
00:29:47.880 --> 00:29:52.920
It'd be kind of cool to find out, I think. Yeah, well, John,

594
00:29:53.039 --> 00:29:55.640
you you did mention the fact that this might be

595
00:29:55.759 --> 00:29:59.079
the most silent Bob has spoken in a film to

596
00:29:59.160 --> 00:30:04.519
this point. Smith's silent Bob character speaks a total of

597
00:30:04.640 --> 00:30:10.400
one hundred two words, and that's kind of significant. When

598
00:30:10.440 --> 00:30:16.200
you also mentioned the fact that the F word is

599
00:30:16.279 --> 00:30:24.640
mentioned two hundred and forty eight times in this movie. Yeah,

600
00:30:24.799 --> 00:30:28.000
I think we know Jay, you know Ben? I mean,

601
00:30:28.319 --> 00:30:29.640
you know, Ben, not to put you on the spot

602
00:30:29.680 --> 00:30:31.599
here and I'm not, you know, but I know I

603
00:30:31.640 --> 00:30:34.440
know on Dover's Dungeon you you know, you kind of

604
00:30:34.680 --> 00:30:36.359
you you game with with jam Us?

605
00:30:36.799 --> 00:30:38.000
Is how much?

606
00:30:38.519 --> 00:30:41.960
How much is j and jam Us like where is

607
00:30:42.000 --> 00:30:45.279
there a fine line between the two? Or is this

608
00:30:45.519 --> 00:30:48.839
you know, well when he games with you? Or do

609
00:30:48.880 --> 00:30:50.240
you do you hear the F word two hundred and

610
00:30:50.240 --> 00:30:50.799
forty eight times?

611
00:30:50.880 --> 00:31:00.440
Or yes, yes, I do, absolutely, Okay, Okay, I mean

612
00:31:00.480 --> 00:31:05.559
I was trying to be nice about it. Yeah, absolutely, Yeah, Well.

613
00:31:06.039 --> 00:31:06.960
It's every time.

614
00:31:07.079 --> 00:31:09.359
I mean, I I would love to quote some of

615
00:31:09.400 --> 00:31:11.799
the things he says when we about I'm not going to.

616
00:31:12.119 --> 00:31:15.519
Yeah, I'm not going to, especially when he gets angry.

617
00:31:15.799 --> 00:31:18.720
Uh, and even when he's happy, and even when he's

618
00:31:18.880 --> 00:31:21.160
that's just Jay Man that he uses him as adjectives

619
00:31:21.160 --> 00:31:22.480
and and sentence enhancers.

620
00:31:22.960 --> 00:31:24.640
Ben, this is probably all the more reason we should

621
00:31:24.680 --> 00:31:27.279
be we should be, uh following you on Dover's Dungeon.

622
00:31:27.359 --> 00:31:30.279
Right, you never know you never had a total a

623
00:31:30.319 --> 00:31:32.400
total of five times. Now we've gamed together.

624
00:31:32.599 --> 00:31:35.039
Oh that's awesome, man is and he's he's gotta be

625
00:31:35.039 --> 00:31:40.720
a good gamer, right, yeah, okay, all right, are you

626
00:31:40.799 --> 00:31:43.200
I'm just curious, is it like, are you going to

627
00:31:43.440 --> 00:31:43.759
the head?

628
00:31:43.920 --> 00:31:45.880
Or is it like no more? Like yes?

629
00:31:46.000 --> 00:31:48.359
Like teams, we're on.

630
00:31:48.319 --> 00:31:50.240
The same team. He loves Fortnite.

631
00:31:50.279 --> 00:31:52.759
Man, he loves two games, Call of Duty and FORTNITEK.

632
00:31:52.920 --> 00:31:56.000
Fortnite is his go to and thankfully I'm pretty decent

633
00:31:56.000 --> 00:31:58.440
at that. So and he likes to surround himself with

634
00:31:58.440 --> 00:32:01.039
people who are good as well. Well, there's a little

635
00:32:01.039 --> 00:32:02.640
bit of pressure there because you're playing with one of

636
00:32:02.720 --> 00:32:04.559
your favorite movie stars of all time.

637
00:32:05.079 --> 00:32:07.920
Yeah, right, Like that's the I'm nervous.

638
00:32:07.960 --> 00:32:08.440
I'm scared.

639
00:32:08.519 --> 00:32:10.440
The first time I ever played with him, I played horribly,

640
00:32:11.079 --> 00:32:13.279
you know, not at me, just in general. He was

641
00:32:13.319 --> 00:32:16.039
just mad because we were losing, right like with Jay

642
00:32:16.759 --> 00:32:20.839
you suck and I exactly and then and dude, I'm

643
00:32:20.839 --> 00:32:23.440
telling you, I turned off turned off my stream that night.

644
00:32:23.480 --> 00:32:25.960
I immediately deleted the video. I was so bombed.

645
00:32:26.000 --> 00:32:28.200
I was so embarrassed, and I was like, he's never

646
00:32:28.200 --> 00:32:31.000
gonna want to play with me again, and uh lo

647
00:32:31.119 --> 00:32:33.319
and behold two weeks later, you know, like my name

648
00:32:33.400 --> 00:32:36.559
came up in chat and uh then we played and

649
00:32:36.839 --> 00:32:39.440
every every game we've played since then, we've won.

650
00:32:40.119 --> 00:32:45.599
So yeah, and John, I mean, uh, when it comes

651
00:32:45.680 --> 00:32:47.319
to comes to your art, you know you kind of

652
00:32:47.359 --> 00:32:49.359
you kind of alluded to the fact like it's it's

653
00:32:49.480 --> 00:32:52.119
it's movie centric, it's pop culture friendly.

654
00:32:52.799 --> 00:32:56.240
You've done several pieces on Jane's on Bob just the.

655
00:32:56.119 --> 00:32:59.559
One actually I did when they announced Kevin's return three

656
00:32:59.599 --> 00:33:03.119
years too, and I have to meet Kevin. That is

657
00:33:03.160 --> 00:33:06.000
aqlifice sales. So I did an animated.

658
00:33:05.519 --> 00:33:07.720
Stop Jay Jo's YEP.

659
00:33:07.720 --> 00:33:09.799
I remember that, and I.

660
00:33:10.000 --> 00:33:11.480
Got Kevin to sign it. And when I put it

661
00:33:11.480 --> 00:33:13.400
down in front of Kevin, the first thing Kevin did

662
00:33:13.680 --> 00:33:16.519
he didn't even look up his pen, put his hands

663
00:33:16.599 --> 00:33:19.640
up to his side of his head. The first words

664
00:33:19.680 --> 00:33:22.440
out of his mouth and I'm not gonna lie. I'm

665
00:33:22.440 --> 00:33:24.240
not gonna lie. I started to cry a little bit.

666
00:33:24.480 --> 00:33:26.960
Smith is a hero in a lot of ways because

667
00:33:26.960 --> 00:33:29.559
of his struggle, just a lot of things. He signed

668
00:33:29.559 --> 00:33:32.079
it Johnson. Then the next day Jay to sign it.

669
00:33:32.160 --> 00:33:34.680
I was expecting when he started to write it, he

670
00:33:34.720 --> 00:33:36.839
wrote john Wood and then the F came out and

671
00:33:36.880 --> 00:33:38.960
I'm like, okay, here it goes. I'm not going to

672
00:33:39.000 --> 00:33:42.039
be able to hang this in the house and it

673
00:33:42.119 --> 00:33:44.079
was just a line and then said I to f

674
00:33:44.160 --> 00:33:46.839
me hard. He actually censored himself without me having to

675
00:33:46.880 --> 00:33:47.400
ask him.

676
00:33:47.440 --> 00:33:48.079
How about that?

677
00:33:49.079 --> 00:33:49.480
Yeah?

678
00:33:49.920 --> 00:33:52.640
I mean, John, I love that for you too, because,

679
00:33:52.680 --> 00:33:54.799
like I've seen it. I've seen a.

680
00:33:54.799 --> 00:33:59.400
Firsthand where your art gets put in front of the

681
00:34:00.559 --> 00:34:03.640
you know, the actor or the you know, the person

682
00:34:03.680 --> 00:34:06.519
that that did the character, created the character, and they're

683
00:34:06.559 --> 00:34:07.240
kind of stunned.

684
00:34:07.839 --> 00:34:08.079
You know.

685
00:34:08.920 --> 00:34:11.840
I have a not to get off topic, but I

686
00:34:11.840 --> 00:34:13.480
remember a couple of couple of seasons.

687
00:34:13.199 --> 00:34:15.239
Ago at We're at Horror Hound.

688
00:34:16.480 --> 00:34:18.679
Eduardo Sanchez and then like the cast of blair Witch

689
00:34:18.679 --> 00:34:23.639
Project is there. You did some awesome blair Witch Scooby

690
00:34:23.679 --> 00:34:28.599
doo hybrid stuff and awesome. Man, that's so yeah, Ben,

691
00:34:28.639 --> 00:34:29.639
you got to check him out, you got it?

692
00:34:29.719 --> 00:34:31.159
Yeah, I have to. Yeah, that's the first thing I

693
00:34:31.159 --> 00:34:33.159
want to do. Man, I can't check it out.

694
00:34:33.440 --> 00:34:35.360
Yeah, when when when we when we wrap things up,

695
00:34:35.719 --> 00:34:37.000
you know, John's gonna have to tell us where we

696
00:34:37.000 --> 00:34:40.039
can we can see all this stuff. But I remember thinking,

697
00:34:40.960 --> 00:34:43.079
you know, hey, you know I remember asking you. John's like,

698
00:34:43.119 --> 00:34:43.599
well what they think?

699
00:34:43.639 --> 00:34:45.920
You're like, I haven't. I haven't had time to catch

700
00:34:46.000 --> 00:34:46.400
up with them.

701
00:34:46.440 --> 00:34:47.960
You know, it's been really busy at the mooth. And

702
00:34:48.000 --> 00:34:49.800
I'll tell you right now, like when you when you

703
00:34:49.840 --> 00:34:53.079
go to one of these these shows, you're gonna you know,

704
00:34:53.559 --> 00:34:55.920
I mean John, John, first off, I love the fact

705
00:34:55.960 --> 00:34:58.440
that you You're not one of these guys.

706
00:34:58.440 --> 00:35:01.840
It's like, you know, are you buying? Are walking?

707
00:35:01.920 --> 00:35:03.440
You know, You're just like, hey, let's talk. You know,

708
00:35:03.519 --> 00:35:06.159
you you're very engaging. You know, you give people the

709
00:35:06.280 --> 00:35:08.840
chance to just come up, have a chat, you know,

710
00:35:08.920 --> 00:35:11.519
move through your work and they like something. Well they're

711
00:35:11.519 --> 00:35:13.960
gonna like something, let's be honest, but you know you're

712
00:35:14.000 --> 00:35:15.800
just like, yeah, you enjoy it, you know, or take

713
00:35:15.840 --> 00:35:16.239
some with you.

714
00:35:16.320 --> 00:35:16.880
It's your call.

715
00:35:17.800 --> 00:35:20.840
But I know the last time, you know, back in

716
00:35:21.079 --> 00:35:23.639
back in spring at Horehound, we had to wait to

717
00:35:23.679 --> 00:35:25.719
get to you. I mean just the line was yeh

718
00:35:26.119 --> 00:35:27.960
was awesome. But so you can't. It's not like you

719
00:35:27.960 --> 00:35:30.719
can just close up shop and go walk around. But

720
00:35:32.119 --> 00:35:36.159
the Blair Witch piece, it's it's it's Sunday. There's like

721
00:35:36.199 --> 00:35:38.719
an hour or two left, and you're like, yeah, I

722
00:35:38.719 --> 00:35:40.000
didn't get a chance to talk with them. I'm like, well,

723
00:35:40.000 --> 00:35:43.400
they're gonna be leaving soon, dude. So I took, you know,

724
00:35:43.519 --> 00:35:48.400
some workover to the table and for like ten seconds,

725
00:35:48.599 --> 00:35:51.719
I got some John Wright fame, you know, I put

726
00:35:51.760 --> 00:35:55.639
it down and they're like you did this, and I

727
00:35:55.679 --> 00:35:58.519
was like, no, no, I didn't, No, I did not.

728
00:35:59.039 --> 00:36:03.280
Artist is right around the corner, and you know, Heather

729
00:36:03.400 --> 00:36:05.880
and John like they're all like, well, we where's that

730
00:36:05.920 --> 00:36:06.639
we want that guy?

731
00:36:06.719 --> 00:36:08.719
Like, is he gonna come over? Like we want to

732
00:36:08.760 --> 00:36:09.280
talk to him?

733
00:36:09.440 --> 00:36:09.679
You know.

734
00:36:09.880 --> 00:36:13.440
So I was like, one second, please, I'll sell back.

735
00:36:13.480 --> 00:36:15.119
I was like, John, you know, I'll watch her. I'll

736
00:36:15.119 --> 00:36:18.079
watch your booth. Just they're asking for you. So John,

737
00:36:18.119 --> 00:36:20.519
I love that for you, Like you get the opportunity

738
00:36:21.320 --> 00:36:24.119
to to do this amazing work, but then you get

739
00:36:24.119 --> 00:36:27.519
to meet the the people that that inspire you.

740
00:36:27.599 --> 00:36:29.639
So I absolutely love that for you.

741
00:36:29.760 --> 00:36:33.440
Haven't many of them in person to specials. He's a

742
00:36:33.599 --> 00:36:36.639
very trunky. It was a very trunky in my mind

743
00:36:36.679 --> 00:36:38.480
whether or not they made it back to until I

744
00:36:38.480 --> 00:36:39.159
get into the house.

745
00:36:42.280 --> 00:36:44.320
Well, let's uh something real quick.

746
00:36:45.639 --> 00:36:46.079
What do you got?

747
00:36:46.199 --> 00:36:47.480
Yeah, I want to show you guys something.

748
00:36:47.960 --> 00:36:49.679
You were talking about this the other day, Man and

749
00:36:49.719 --> 00:36:51.559
I I was like, I couldn't wait to show this

750
00:36:51.639 --> 00:36:54.960
off to you guys. I don't know if you can

751
00:36:55.000 --> 00:36:58.239
see it with my light. Is a copy of the

752
00:36:58.360 --> 00:37:01.400
Jay and Silent Bob straight back script.

753
00:37:03.239 --> 00:37:05.239
Kevin and Jay?

754
00:37:05.559 --> 00:37:06.599
How about that?

755
00:37:06.599 --> 00:37:08.639
That is the whole script for the movie.

756
00:37:09.079 --> 00:37:10.519
And I haven't doing your homework.

757
00:37:12.079 --> 00:37:14.239
Yeah, I can't take it out of the plastic. I

758
00:37:14.239 --> 00:37:14.679
don't want to.

759
00:37:14.719 --> 00:37:16.679
I never will, but I really want to go through

760
00:37:16.679 --> 00:37:19.840
this and look at it, just because I just wanted

761
00:37:19.880 --> 00:37:20.639
to show that off.

762
00:37:21.519 --> 00:37:27.559
Well, yeah, now that you yeah, I've got you know,

763
00:37:27.679 --> 00:37:31.159
I know, I've got my arrow did a gorgeous like

764
00:37:31.280 --> 00:37:35.599
four K blu ray. Both of them signed that actually

765
00:37:35.760 --> 00:37:38.400
you know, shout out to uh to their their store,

766
00:37:38.559 --> 00:37:39.880
you know, secret stash.

767
00:37:39.599 --> 00:37:40.639
In Red Bank, New Jersey.

768
00:37:41.079 --> 00:37:42.400
Yeah, I'm in there.

769
00:37:42.400 --> 00:37:45.039
I'm just moving around, and it dawns on me that

770
00:37:45.840 --> 00:37:49.519
I've got a bare bones DVD version of Mall Rats,

771
00:37:49.559 --> 00:37:52.639
And you know, I thought to myself, why not just

772
00:37:52.719 --> 00:37:57.320
buy the the four K Deluxe Blu ray here at

773
00:37:57.320 --> 00:37:59.880
the secret stash, you know. And then Mike's you know,

774
00:38:00.400 --> 00:38:04.159
Mike Zapska is like, hey, look closer, and Kevin had

775
00:38:04.159 --> 00:38:08.079
autographed it, Jay had autographed it, and I'm like, what, okay,

776
00:38:08.119 --> 00:38:10.960
well how much? How much is He's like, it's It's like,

777
00:38:11.079 --> 00:38:13.039
it's right there, dude. He's like they just stop in

778
00:38:13.079 --> 00:38:15.239
sometimes and they just they just sign their name all

779
00:38:15.280 --> 00:38:18.480
over shit, you know, just they don't care. So you know,

780
00:38:18.840 --> 00:38:20.800
I'll tell you right now, Ben, I know you've been

781
00:38:20.800 --> 00:38:22.280
in there. You've been to the store a couple of times.

782
00:38:22.280 --> 00:38:25.159
Like me, you never know what you're gonna see in there.

783
00:38:25.159 --> 00:38:27.719
That's just gonna have. It's already gonna be autographed.

784
00:38:27.519 --> 00:38:31.480
Cause they just like to make it accessible for the fans,

785
00:38:31.519 --> 00:38:33.039
you know that can't get to comic cons.

786
00:38:33.599 --> 00:38:36.480
It is the ultimate like if you're a Kevin Smith

787
00:38:36.559 --> 00:38:40.239
movie fan, it is the ultimate destination. Everything from every

788
00:38:40.280 --> 00:38:41.920
one of their movies is in there. Either on the

789
00:38:41.960 --> 00:38:45.480
wall or hanging on the ceiling or I mean they

790
00:38:45.519 --> 00:38:47.679
got the their their outfits from the movies hanging out

791
00:38:47.679 --> 00:38:47.920
in there.

792
00:38:47.920 --> 00:38:49.400
It's great, man, it's awesome.

793
00:38:50.119 --> 00:38:52.760
Let's take uh, let's take one more break here and

794
00:38:52.800 --> 00:38:53.559
we'll get back.

795
00:38:53.840 --> 00:38:59.679
We will talk about a scene welcome back.

796
00:39:00.199 --> 00:39:00.800
Uh.

797
00:39:00.880 --> 00:39:04.159
Okay, So this one wasn't wasn't gonna be easy. I

798
00:39:04.239 --> 00:39:07.760
knew it wasn't gonna be easy for me. So I

799
00:39:07.760 --> 00:39:09.679
want to talk about a scene. I know, Ben, you've

800
00:39:09.679 --> 00:39:11.159
got a scene him on John. I'm sure you gotta

801
00:39:11.159 --> 00:39:12.719
see him on. I'm kind of curious if we're gonna

802
00:39:12.719 --> 00:39:14.599
have the same one, because I know it's a possibility

803
00:39:14.760 --> 00:39:17.320
on a movie like this. But Ben, we're gonna start

804
00:39:17.360 --> 00:39:22.559
with you a scene that is in Jane'sntbob straight back.

805
00:39:23.360 --> 00:39:24.519
Why did you pick the scene?

806
00:39:24.559 --> 00:39:26.360
Is it because of a strong performance?

807
00:39:26.519 --> 00:39:30.079
Is it is a great direction? Is it the pivotal moment?

808
00:39:32.119 --> 00:39:33.599
Why did you choose the scene that you're choosing.

809
00:39:34.360 --> 00:39:38.320
I think I chose this scene because it just made

810
00:39:38.360 --> 00:39:42.840
me belt out in laughter, because it had a word

811
00:39:42.880 --> 00:39:46.679
in it that isn't used very commonly in any movie ever.

812
00:39:48.639 --> 00:39:52.199
So when he says this line, of course, there's tons

813
00:39:52.239 --> 00:39:54.320
of one liners. There's so many things you can quote,

814
00:39:54.440 --> 00:39:57.679
so many scenes. But when he says this, I I mean,

815
00:39:57.760 --> 00:39:59.360
it's it's stuck in my head for the rest of

816
00:39:59.360 --> 00:40:00.760
my life. And I'm pretty sure you know what I'm

817
00:40:00.760 --> 00:40:01.320
talking about.

818
00:40:01.400 --> 00:40:03.599
Well, I think I'm pretty sure that we're talking You

819
00:40:03.639 --> 00:40:05.199
and I have chosen the same scene?

820
00:40:06.119 --> 00:40:06.760
Are you haanging it?

821
00:40:07.880 --> 00:40:11.000
No, that's that's fine. Like, but before I just want

822
00:40:11.039 --> 00:40:13.239
to let me put a pin in your scene.

823
00:40:13.239 --> 00:40:18.199
Ben, sure, because because I'm I'm all but certain, you know,

824
00:40:18.519 --> 00:40:20.480
I'll bet my comic book collection that we're gonna talk

825
00:40:20.519 --> 00:40:21.320
about the same scene.

826
00:40:22.400 --> 00:40:25.320
John, same question, did what what?

827
00:40:25.440 --> 00:40:27.239
Why did you choose the scene that you that that

828
00:40:27.239 --> 00:40:28.960
we want to talk about or that you want to

829
00:40:29.000 --> 00:40:29.400
talk about.

830
00:40:29.440 --> 00:40:34.440
I just find it hysterical. I don't think it's the same. Okay,

831
00:40:34.880 --> 00:40:36.239
if you want to go ahead, tell you the scene.

832
00:40:36.480 --> 00:40:38.400
Yeah, let's okay, Let John tell us about your scene,

833
00:40:38.400 --> 00:40:39.599
because I know Ben and I've got the.

834
00:40:39.599 --> 00:40:44.000
Same It is when they are surroundings, you know, if

835
00:40:44.000 --> 00:40:46.800
you're not Jay and Simon, Bob, you're free to leave,

836
00:40:47.039 --> 00:40:49.199
and they're they're panicking, they don't know what to do.

837
00:40:49.320 --> 00:40:51.360
Jay looks over and sees the young boy dressed in

838
00:40:51.400 --> 00:40:53.159
the movie and puts it on. So when they come out,

839
00:40:54.000 --> 00:40:57.639
there's this long, unnecessary story about how they're a gay

840
00:40:57.679 --> 00:41:01.239
couple but has sex with a woman on the side,

841
00:41:01.280 --> 00:41:01.800
so he's not.

842
00:41:03.360 --> 00:41:08.559
Gay. But this guy loves loves the ye.

843
00:41:08.920 --> 00:41:12.480
Man, you know, you know, and it's just it is

844
00:41:12.519 --> 00:41:16.599
so it's unnecessary but so necessary at the same time

845
00:41:16.880 --> 00:41:20.239
because it shows the stupidity of Will and Holly, and

846
00:41:20.320 --> 00:41:23.639
he even even on the guy's.

847
00:41:23.400 --> 00:41:26.760
Name, Uh, Judd Nelson is awesome in this same.

848
00:41:26.679 --> 00:41:28.199
Yeah, yeah, that's another.

849
00:41:28.639 --> 00:41:31.320
And it leads up to the big the big escape,

850
00:41:31.320 --> 00:41:34.280
and there they enter the sewer and I love the

851
00:41:34.280 --> 00:41:35.920
little one line when Bob gets stuck.

852
00:41:36.440 --> 00:41:40.239
Yes, but but but Will and Holly goes into hug

853
00:41:40.320 --> 00:41:42.679
the sheriff and he's like, you know, I'll flush him

854
00:41:42.719 --> 00:41:44.119
into the corner and I'll radio for a backup, and

855
00:41:44.159 --> 00:41:44.679
he hugs him.

856
00:41:44.679 --> 00:41:47.079
He's like, you've taught me so much. I'm like so much.

857
00:41:47.840 --> 00:41:51.880
I want to know how much Feral improvised lines because

858
00:41:51.920 --> 00:41:55.159
you know, doggone good and well he did it all

859
00:41:55.199 --> 00:41:57.800
can't be scripted, and unfortunately we have the proof in

860
00:41:57.840 --> 00:41:59.679
front of us. But Ben's not going to open it.

861
00:42:00.280 --> 00:42:02.079
I don't blame, I don't blame.

862
00:42:02.400 --> 00:42:04.800
Yeah, I'm not never you know.

863
00:42:04.880 --> 00:42:07.800
And then that because that it leads to to Judd

864
00:42:07.840 --> 00:42:11.039
Nelson just look this asshole, let's go back to.

865
00:42:11.079 --> 00:42:13.239
The station drunk.

866
00:42:13.719 --> 00:42:15.639
Yeah.

867
00:42:15.719 --> 00:42:19.320
Well it's it's interesting too because after all that controversy

868
00:42:19.400 --> 00:42:24.519
and all that heat he took on on Dogma, he thinks, well,

869
00:42:24.679 --> 00:42:26.559
this is just Jane son of Bob. This is a

870
00:42:26.559 --> 00:42:31.079
stoner comedy who no one's gonna have any controversy except

871
00:42:31.119 --> 00:42:34.400
there was a lot, you know, because Glad came after

872
00:42:34.480 --> 00:42:36.599
him for a lot of the you know, I mean, John,

873
00:42:36.639 --> 00:42:39.119
This this scene is as silly as it is as hilarious.

874
00:42:39.119 --> 00:42:42.360
It is that the organizations they were just they weren't.

875
00:42:42.119 --> 00:42:44.119
Happy with him. So he's still taking heat no matter.

876
00:42:44.119 --> 00:42:46.119
I think at this point, like if you're if you're

877
00:42:46.199 --> 00:42:48.400
Kevin Smith, it doesn't matter what you're gonna you're gonna do.

878
00:42:49.320 --> 00:42:50.280
Someone's coming after you.

879
00:42:50.840 --> 00:42:50.960
Right.

880
00:42:51.079 --> 00:42:52.840
The ironic thing is.

881
00:42:52.639 --> 00:42:56.480
It exactly exactly? Well?

882
00:42:56.719 --> 00:43:00.360
Uh, speaking of people coming after us, Uh, Ben, let's

883
00:43:00.360 --> 00:43:02.960
go ahead and lose half of our sponsors. Uh, let's

884
00:43:02.960 --> 00:43:06.400
talk about the scene. Uh that you picked that, I'm

885
00:43:06.400 --> 00:43:07.679
sure that I picked?

886
00:43:08.199 --> 00:43:08.599
Uh?

887
00:43:08.639 --> 00:43:11.880
Are we talking about Jay as the click Commander.

888
00:43:12.280 --> 00:43:19.960
Yes, yes, of course, yeah, alike, we might as well

889
00:43:20.000 --> 00:43:20.639
think alike to.

890
00:43:20.920 --> 00:43:24.360
Yeah, like I said, so much rides on this film

891
00:43:25.599 --> 00:43:28.639
because of Jason Muse. If he doesn't work, the film

892
00:43:28.679 --> 00:43:31.639
doesn't work. And I absolutely love.

893
00:43:33.199 --> 00:43:37.360
I love what he's doing in this.

894
00:43:35.760 --> 00:43:39.599
This scene in particular, it's just I think his confidence,

895
00:43:41.039 --> 00:43:45.000
you know, as the character. It's just it's on a

896
00:43:45.000 --> 00:43:48.000
whole other level. You know, he is fully embracing it

897
00:43:48.079 --> 00:43:50.239
and like but he's like kind of pantomiming.

898
00:43:51.880 --> 00:43:52.119
You know.

899
00:43:52.840 --> 00:43:53.880
I don't know if this is gonna be a video

900
00:43:53.920 --> 00:43:55.800
podcast or not, so I'll be I'll be careful. But

901
00:43:56.519 --> 00:44:01.159
you know, what, what is it the Yeah, yeah, what

902
00:44:01.280 --> 00:44:05.679
is it? The the Coalition for Liberation of Internet Tweet

903
00:44:05.840 --> 00:44:07.920
tweet Drillers Dwellers.

904
00:44:07.960 --> 00:44:08.360
Yeah.

905
00:44:08.480 --> 00:44:13.480
Yeah, they're like the eco activist group. Just he is

906
00:44:13.559 --> 00:44:17.159
so he's he's I fall off the couch laughing every

907
00:44:17.199 --> 00:44:21.199
time he does that scene, you know when you see this, Yes,

908
00:44:22.000 --> 00:44:23.199
it's absolutely amazing.

909
00:44:23.519 --> 00:44:25.079
It's that as.

910
00:44:25.559 --> 00:44:27.239
I love that we picked the same scene.

911
00:44:28.760 --> 00:44:31.039
Yeah, if someone if if you if you don't even

912
00:44:31.039 --> 00:44:33.360
have time, like, well, I don't want to watch I'm

913
00:44:33.360 --> 00:44:36.000
not gonna watch the movie. I'm doing a whole Kevin

914
00:44:36.039 --> 00:44:38.119
Smith thing, but I'm gonna skip around.

915
00:44:38.559 --> 00:44:40.559
Now we're at least putting it in. We're at least

916
00:44:40.599 --> 00:44:43.840
gonna watch his message, his video message for the for

917
00:44:43.880 --> 00:44:46.920
the clip. So it's it's just too good. It is

918
00:44:46.960 --> 00:44:48.519
too good, all right.

919
00:44:48.559 --> 00:44:54.199
So as we wrap up, written by, directed by, or

920
00:44:54.239 --> 00:44:57.840
possibly featuring Kevin Smith, someone watches Jane Son It Bob

921
00:44:57.880 --> 00:45:00.800
Strike Back. They say, Guys, I love this movie. What

922
00:45:00.920 --> 00:45:03.239
else you know? I know this guy is kind of

923
00:45:03.280 --> 00:45:06.679
famous for some of these big movies, like you know

924
00:45:06.719 --> 00:45:10.639
this viewisk Universe. Has he done anything underrated, anything that

925
00:45:10.840 --> 00:45:12.199
kind of flew under the radar that I need to

926
00:45:12.280 --> 00:45:13.079
check out?

927
00:45:13.159 --> 00:45:16.360
Ben, what would you recommend for someone if you.

928
00:45:16.480 --> 00:45:17.639
Haven't seen it yet.

929
00:45:17.960 --> 00:45:19.679
It is a little bit one of his more recent

930
00:45:20.079 --> 00:45:22.360
pictures that he did, and it kind of flew under

931
00:45:22.400 --> 00:45:26.079
the radar, and I think it's super underrated. And it's

932
00:45:26.159 --> 00:45:28.519
the the movie that he's done that I love the

933
00:45:28.559 --> 00:45:31.880
most that isn't in Universe is four four thirty movie.

934
00:45:32.199 --> 00:45:35.679
I love that movie. I love that movie. It's essentially

935
00:45:35.760 --> 00:45:38.679
Kevin Smith as a child. Of course, it's like exaggerated

936
00:45:38.760 --> 00:45:41.400
and like you know, added ins, but like it really.

937
00:45:41.400 --> 00:45:43.239
He's even come out and said, like, that's me as

938
00:45:43.239 --> 00:45:46.079
a kid, and it's filmed that his own movie theater,

939
00:45:46.199 --> 00:45:49.320
which he owns. So he cuts financial corners there, like

940
00:45:49.800 --> 00:45:52.639
so smart man, Like the guy's a financial genius.

941
00:45:53.039 --> 00:45:57.360
It's it's the coming of age teenage love story, right,

942
00:45:57.679 --> 00:46:00.000
it's right, and it's it's it's it's a sweet movie.

943
00:46:00.039 --> 00:46:00.599
It really is.

944
00:46:01.159 --> 00:46:01.639
It's great.

945
00:46:01.960 --> 00:46:04.760
Yeah, it's still feels it's it's got a real Kevin

946
00:46:04.800 --> 00:46:09.360
Smith flavor to it, obviously, but it's also he pulls

947
00:46:09.440 --> 00:46:10.880
back a little bit, you know, it's a little more

948
00:46:10.920 --> 00:46:12.840
friendly to you, like you, your audience.

949
00:46:12.880 --> 00:46:14.519
I think I think it's just a love song to

950
00:46:14.639 --> 00:46:16.559
him as a as a kid and how he grew

951
00:46:16.639 --> 00:46:17.920
up in his love towards movies.

952
00:46:18.280 --> 00:46:23.360
Great choice, John, Your thoughts on an underrated Kevin Smith project,

953
00:46:23.400 --> 00:46:26.119
whether he wrote it, directed it, or possibly was in.

954
00:46:26.039 --> 00:46:29.239
It, but to go with I stumbled across this one

955
00:46:29.920 --> 00:46:36.480
really okay, Okay, I think it's okay and wow, he

956
00:46:36.519 --> 00:46:40.320
does an incredible wolf wow in his reaction to.

957
00:46:40.360 --> 00:46:44.320
Nick adding ketch and release to my list here, Yeah,

958
00:46:44.400 --> 00:46:45.199
that sounds amazing.

959
00:46:45.760 --> 00:46:48.119
It's really good. It was definitely underrated.

960
00:46:48.519 --> 00:46:52.239
Okay to add that point, Kevin Smith's cry scenes are great, man,

961
00:46:52.280 --> 00:46:55.039
because he did that in Dogma too, when Bethany was

962
00:46:55.079 --> 00:46:58.079
dead and it cuts to him. It genuinely looked like

963
00:46:58.119 --> 00:47:01.360
that man was crying, like it's such a sad face.

964
00:47:01.679 --> 00:47:04.000
Well, I think I think he wears like and you know,

965
00:47:04.079 --> 00:47:06.880
from talking with him and being being up close with me,

966
00:47:06.920 --> 00:47:08.239
I think this is a guy that wears his heart

967
00:47:08.320 --> 00:47:10.360
on his sleeve. Like I think he's a He's an

968
00:47:10.360 --> 00:47:12.760
emotional guy, you know, and in the in the in

969
00:47:12.840 --> 00:47:18.079
the the best sense of the word. So, yeah, I

970
00:47:18.519 --> 00:47:22.599
got one here. I mean, this is this is right

971
00:47:22.639 --> 00:47:26.039
on the line of almost doesn't count. But because it's

972
00:47:26.039 --> 00:47:28.039
such a small moment, he's like it's a you could

973
00:47:28.039 --> 00:47:33.440
say it's a cameo. I mean, okay, uh, he played

974
00:47:33.519 --> 00:47:35.119
well John, I'll give you, I'll give you aht here

975
00:47:35.159 --> 00:47:36.760
he plays guy at gas station.

976
00:47:37.639 --> 00:47:39.360
That was the second choice on my list.

977
00:47:39.719 --> 00:47:42.760
Okay, I'm talking about a film from two thousand and

978
00:47:42.840 --> 00:47:46.840
nine called Fanboys, and uh features Kevin Smith.

979
00:47:46.920 --> 00:47:50.159
Actually features Ja Muse as well. Uh, there are two

980
00:47:50.159 --> 00:47:51.159
guys at a gas station.

981
00:47:51.599 --> 00:47:54.840
But I forgot about that in the Sexy.

982
00:47:55.480 --> 00:47:59.239
Yeah, the Sexy stud Yeah.

983
00:47:59.760 --> 00:48:02.199
Yeah, yeah, Well for those of you that are like,

984
00:48:02.239 --> 00:48:03.079
what's fanboys?

985
00:48:03.239 --> 00:48:03.679
This?

986
00:48:03.679 --> 00:48:08.519
This movie was made for for movie geeks really, especially

987
00:48:08.519 --> 00:48:10.639
if you love Star Wars the movie.

988
00:48:10.719 --> 00:48:11.360
It's a comedy.

989
00:48:11.800 --> 00:48:14.519
It's all about a group of friends driving cross country

990
00:48:15.159 --> 00:48:18.440
to break into Skywalker Ranch so that their dying friend

991
00:48:18.679 --> 00:48:22.400
can see Star Wars episode one, The Phantom Menace before

992
00:48:22.440 --> 00:48:26.199
he passes away. And you know, John, you talked you

993
00:48:26.239 --> 00:48:28.159
kind of your five words synopsis talked about road trip

994
00:48:28.280 --> 00:48:29.599
buddy buddy movies.

995
00:48:30.199 --> 00:48:33.440
It's absolutely a road trip buddy movie. Hilarious.

996
00:48:33.760 --> 00:48:37.880
It's written by Ernest Klein of a Ready Player one

997
00:48:37.920 --> 00:48:42.559
Fame and Adam Goldberg. So if you know those guys,

998
00:48:42.559 --> 00:48:45.039
you know it's riddled with eighties and nineties nostalgia. H

999
00:48:46.000 --> 00:48:48.400
just a just a great you know, take care of

1000
00:48:48.440 --> 00:48:51.360
your buddy, have a good time with your friends, and

1001
00:48:51.480 --> 00:48:54.119
something we probably all were would would have loved to

1002
00:48:54.119 --> 00:48:57.320
have done before seeing The Phantom Menace. You know, we

1003
00:48:57.639 --> 00:49:01.199
waited all that time for the movie. And but yeah,

1004
00:49:01.280 --> 00:49:04.559
definitely a fun movie. I gotta imagine we both we

1005
00:49:04.599 --> 00:49:07.400
all we all recommend Jane Slopbob straight back right. I mean,

1006
00:49:08.119 --> 00:49:10.679
is there let me ask you this, Ben real quick?

1007
00:49:11.480 --> 00:49:14.880
Is there a Kevin smith movie. You don't recommend Jersey Girl?

1008
00:49:15.880 --> 00:49:18.239
Okay, okay, wow, I did not like that.

1009
00:49:18.280 --> 00:49:20.800
I did not like that movie. I did not.

1010
00:49:20.960 --> 00:49:24.440
It just didn't fit to me. I didn't feel it

1011
00:49:24.440 --> 00:49:28.400
didn't feel Kevin Smithy to me. Okay, I wasn't a fan.

1012
00:49:28.599 --> 00:49:29.880
I know that's surprising. I'm sorry.

1013
00:49:29.960 --> 00:49:32.639
I did not like Jersey Girl.

1014
00:49:32.639 --> 00:49:35.519
I like watching it. I watched it once and that

1015
00:49:35.599 --> 00:49:36.760
was it. All right?

1016
00:49:36.800 --> 00:49:39.159
How about you, John, What is there something you wouldn't recommend.

1017
00:49:39.840 --> 00:49:42.760
It's not something I wouldn't recommend, but probably the thing that.

1018
00:49:42.679 --> 00:49:44.719
I okay, more surprised.

1019
00:49:44.920 --> 00:49:48.920
And I'm not saying it's just when it hit didn't

1020
00:49:48.960 --> 00:49:50.360
do it for me. So I need to go back

1021
00:49:50.360 --> 00:49:51.199
to visit it.

1022
00:49:51.599 --> 00:49:54.760
Definitely, I'm not all right check it out again.

1023
00:49:55.280 --> 00:49:58.840
I'll tell you there isn't a film I'm gonna not recommend,

1024
00:49:59.480 --> 00:50:02.440
but I would say, being honest, I would say probably

1025
00:50:02.480 --> 00:50:04.119
the least.

1026
00:50:03.880 --> 00:50:05.760
Rewatchable for me.

1027
00:50:06.760 --> 00:50:09.519
And I say this while also saying it's a guilty pleasure,

1028
00:50:09.599 --> 00:50:11.239
like if it's on, I'm gonna stop what I'm no,

1029
00:50:11.280 --> 00:50:14.559
I'm just gonna watch it yoga hoss.

1030
00:50:14.559 --> 00:50:17.920
Oh yeah, you know what, like hold on, I'm going

1031
00:50:18.000 --> 00:50:18.679
to change my.

1032
00:50:20.599 --> 00:50:20.840
Change.

1033
00:50:21.199 --> 00:50:24.920
Yeah, I didn't even finish it.

1034
00:50:25.119 --> 00:50:25.480
I didn't.

1035
00:50:26.239 --> 00:50:29.000
It's yeah, you know, it's part of his like the

1036
00:50:29.000 --> 00:50:35.360
Great Northern Trilogy that he's working on. Yeah, it's fun.

1037
00:50:36.159 --> 00:50:39.280
You know, it's cool to see Harley Quinn in Lily

1038
00:50:39.320 --> 00:50:43.159
Rose Depth kind of become the next the next generation,

1039
00:50:43.480 --> 00:50:46.000
the next Jaye Son Bob in that movie. But you know,

1040
00:50:46.199 --> 00:50:49.519
I don't know something but with the the claimation guys,

1041
00:50:49.519 --> 00:50:51.239
like the Nazi claimation guys in the middle of the

1042
00:50:51.280 --> 00:50:53.599
movie kind of kind of yeah, the bronzis I kind

1043
00:50:53.599 --> 00:50:55.599
of it got a little weird for me.

1044
00:50:55.760 --> 00:50:59.039
But yeah, same, I think that's where I turned it off. Yeah,

1045
00:50:59.400 --> 00:51:01.960
honorable men for four thirty Like I had to. I

1046
00:51:02.000 --> 00:51:05.320
had to go back and forth. Yeah, four thirty movie definitely.

1047
00:51:05.360 --> 00:51:07.679
And another one I want to bring up is cop Out.

1048
00:51:07.960 --> 00:51:09.360
I think that was so underrated.

1049
00:51:10.039 --> 00:51:11.119
I had one.

1050
00:51:11.519 --> 00:51:12.719
We might have to talk about that.

1051
00:51:12.800 --> 00:51:15.519
We got more Kevin Smith coming later this month. We

1052
00:51:15.719 --> 00:51:17.840
might have to talk about cop Out a little bit.

1053
00:51:18.360 --> 00:51:20.400
Not that we're going to cover cop Out, but we

1054
00:51:20.480 --> 00:51:23.320
might have to. That might come up in a conversation. Uh,

1055
00:51:23.400 --> 00:51:28.800
I'll tell you something. Jane Sybob Strike Strikes Back, currently

1056
00:51:28.840 --> 00:51:31.880
streaming on Paramount Plus. Uh, you can rent it on

1057
00:51:31.920 --> 00:51:35.039
those platforms, but uh, we.

1058
00:51:35.000 --> 00:51:38.239
All know physical media is what the cool kids choose.

1059
00:51:38.000 --> 00:51:38.159
So.

1060
00:51:40.000 --> 00:51:45.119
I recommend the two disc uh special edition. This thing

1061
00:51:45.320 --> 00:51:50.039
has Look how look how chunky that is? Yeah, we're talking,

1062
00:51:50.400 --> 00:51:52.599
I mean that that whole side there. You can see

1063
00:51:52.679 --> 00:51:57.880
we're talking more than five hours of deleted scenes, behind

1064
00:51:57.880 --> 00:51:59.320
the scenes, audio commentary.

1065
00:51:59.320 --> 00:52:00.880
It's it is packed.

1066
00:52:01.079 --> 00:52:04.159
So you are not going to go wrong with bonus

1067
00:52:04.159 --> 00:52:06.360
materials when it's a Kevin Smith movie. So I definitely

1068
00:52:06.440 --> 00:52:10.000
would recommend that, and I recommend you come back for

1069
00:52:10.079 --> 00:52:13.199
more next week because next time on a Film Buy,

1070
00:52:13.360 --> 00:52:17.920
we'll be talking about another drug fueled, outrageous comedy from

1071
00:52:17.920 --> 00:52:22.480
two thousand and one movie called super Troopers. So if

1072
00:52:22.519 --> 00:52:26.920
you've seen it, how would you pens fist pump and

1073
00:52:26.679 --> 00:52:30.480
he's a fan. If you've seen it, yeah, how would

1074
00:52:30.480 --> 00:52:33.960
you summarize it in exactly five words? Go to a

1075
00:52:34.079 --> 00:52:36.400
film by podcast dot com to give us your answer.

1076
00:52:36.880 --> 00:52:39.599
You can email us if we use your five words

1077
00:52:39.599 --> 00:52:41.760
synopsis we mentioned it on the show, We will shout

1078
00:52:41.760 --> 00:52:43.519
you out on the on a later episode, and we'll

1079
00:52:43.559 --> 00:52:47.239
definitely send you some a film by swag. Please join

1080
00:52:47.320 --> 00:52:50.280
us on social media. You can find us on YouTube, Instagram,

1081
00:52:50.760 --> 00:52:54.800
Facebook x. We always love hearing from you guys, talking

1082
00:52:54.800 --> 00:52:57.920
good films, debating movies, and.

1083
00:52:58.079 --> 00:53:00.760
Taking your request for future episodes. Guys.

1084
00:53:01.239 --> 00:53:04.440
Again, I was excited to have this conversation with the

1085
00:53:04.440 --> 00:53:07.000
two of you. I'm excited because I know both of

1086
00:53:07.000 --> 00:53:09.960
you will be back later this month on Kevin Smith

1087
00:53:10.000 --> 00:53:14.559
related projects. Ben for our for our listeners that are

1088
00:53:14.639 --> 00:53:19.559
gamers or maybe new to the gaming world. A little

1089
00:53:19.599 --> 00:53:22.519
bit more info on on Dover's Dungeon. Tell tell us

1090
00:53:22.519 --> 00:53:23.840
how this works quick.

1091
00:53:24.320 --> 00:53:25.400
I'm so Dover's Dungeon.

1092
00:53:25.480 --> 00:53:27.599
Just if you don't, if you're not familiar with Twitch,

1093
00:53:27.639 --> 00:53:31.039
Twitch it's just a streaming app you can people can

1094
00:53:31.079 --> 00:53:33.239
stream movies on it if they want and talk over it.

1095
00:53:33.280 --> 00:53:35.800
They can just go in and talk to people. It's

1096
00:53:35.880 --> 00:53:41.119
mostly video games. So go to Twitch, download the app,

1097
00:53:41.280 --> 00:53:45.000
make a profile. Follow Dover's Dungeon please. It's very entertaining.

1098
00:53:45.000 --> 00:53:46.360
It's a lot of fun. You'll get to see Jason

1099
00:53:46.440 --> 00:53:50.400
Hues on there a few times. So yeah, it's a

1100
00:53:50.400 --> 00:53:52.440
lot of fun. If you like video games, it's definitely

1101
00:53:52.480 --> 00:53:53.000
the place to be.

1102
00:53:53.559 --> 00:53:55.360
All right, we will certainly do that.

1103
00:53:55.760 --> 00:53:57.800
We'll put some information in the show notes about Dover's

1104
00:53:57.880 --> 00:54:01.119
Dungeon where you can get more of a Ben's amazing

1105
00:54:01.159 --> 00:54:05.480
gaming channel. John, how do we find your art and

1106
00:54:05.480 --> 00:54:06.519
how do we get some on our.

1107
00:54:06.440 --> 00:54:07.679
Walls if we can?

1108
00:54:07.800 --> 00:54:09.440
You know, whether I know you're at the comic cons,

1109
00:54:09.480 --> 00:54:11.559
But yeah, what else? What other options do we have

1110
00:54:12.199 --> 00:54:12.559
right now?

1111
00:54:12.559 --> 00:54:15.519
It's just mainly Facebook, Facebook dot com, the art of

1112
00:54:15.719 --> 00:54:18.960
n JWR shoe Us, the art of John Wright. You

1113
00:54:19.000 --> 00:54:21.599
can message me there. I post stuff as I do it.

1114
00:54:21.760 --> 00:54:24.480
I take commission. Work will be a Horrorhound. It'll be

1115
00:54:24.480 --> 00:54:27.039
a CINCINNTI Comic Expo and a little show over in

1116
00:54:27.079 --> 00:54:30.400
Indiana towards the end of October called Horror at the Ohio.

1117
00:54:30.920 --> 00:54:34.800
All right, well, looking forward to uh to seeing you soon.

1118
00:54:34.880 --> 00:54:35.119
John.

1119
00:54:35.159 --> 00:54:36.519
I know we've got a couple of shows that we're

1120
00:54:36.519 --> 00:54:40.960
both going to be at.

1121
00:54:39.320 --> 00:54:41.679
And always looking forward to more of your art. I

1122
00:54:41.679 --> 00:54:44.199
love like listeners. If you have not seen, if you're

1123
00:54:44.239 --> 00:54:44.880
not following him.

1124
00:54:44.760 --> 00:54:48.039
On Facebook, it is pretty cool because John, you know,

1125
00:54:48.119 --> 00:54:52.280
he'll show you like the bare bones, like the preliminary

1126
00:54:52.280 --> 00:54:53.760
sketch and it's like, hey, what do you guys think

1127
00:54:53.800 --> 00:54:56.519
I'm working on now? And it's you know, it's funny

1128
00:54:56.519 --> 00:54:58.039
because everyone's like, oh, I know what this is, or

1129
00:54:58.079 --> 00:55:00.480
I can tell what thattline is. And it's kind of

1130
00:55:00.519 --> 00:55:03.800
cool to watch your art kind of take shape, you know,

1131
00:55:03.840 --> 00:55:05.760
every every other day or so you're like, hey, a

1132
00:55:05.800 --> 00:55:08.960
little more progress, and hey, you know, from like concept

1133
00:55:09.280 --> 00:55:12.920
or like the conceptual design to like the finished product.

1134
00:55:14.039 --> 00:55:14.719
It's always cool.

1135
00:55:14.760 --> 00:55:16.679
You know, you do commissioned work. I've got I've got

1136
00:55:16.719 --> 00:55:20.920
a piece myself, So you know, you guys got to

1137
00:55:21.000 --> 00:55:24.880
hit John right up, and and we're gonna have more

1138
00:55:24.920 --> 00:55:27.960
of you guys, Ben. I know, I think we're like

1139
00:55:28.199 --> 00:55:30.079
a couple of weeks out, you're gonna be back. We're

1140
00:55:30.119 --> 00:55:33.599
gonna be talking about Clerks too. It'll be celebrating its

1141
00:55:33.599 --> 00:55:37.800
twentieth anniversary. And John, John, I know you're gonna be

1142
00:55:37.800 --> 00:55:40.559
real busy with a couple of upcoming shows. But can

1143
00:55:40.599 --> 00:55:44.519
I can I possibly get you to join us on

1144
00:55:44.920 --> 00:55:49.760
our Patreon channel to discuss Red State? Okay, okay, good,

1145
00:55:49.880 --> 00:55:52.400
okay good. I've been dying to talk Red State.

1146
00:55:52.159 --> 00:55:54.480
For the longest time. And I know at the last show,

1147
00:55:54.519 --> 00:55:57.079
You're like, man, you should do Red State. And I

1148
00:55:57.119 --> 00:55:59.840
was like, Okay, that's happening. That's happening.

1149
00:56:01.000 --> 00:56:03.679
So yeah, John right, we'll be back. We're going to

1150
00:56:03.719 --> 00:56:07.119
talk about Red State later this month. We got a

1151
00:56:07.119 --> 00:56:10.519
lot Kevin Smith for you guys. So to all of

1152
00:56:10.559 --> 00:56:13.599
you out there listening to the show or watching the show,

1153
00:56:13.639 --> 00:56:16.519
depending on you know, if you're catching this on YouTube

1154
00:56:16.599 --> 00:56:19.840
or not following us on social media, subscribing to our Patreon,

1155
00:56:20.800 --> 00:56:24.760
we absolutely thank you and snoogans to you.