Martin McDonagh - Seven Psychopaths

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When we're talking about black comedy,
we're talking about a film or other work

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that deals with tragic or distressing subject
matter in a humorous way. Andrew,

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do you have a favorite black comedy
does? What does one come to mind?

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It's a that's a tough category.
I'm a big fan. I think

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I'd probably have to go with Fargo. I think the Coen Brothers do dark

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comedy about as well as anybody.
I think you're right, that definitely would

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be at the top of my list. I would. I I might have

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to go with Heathers possibly, but
I love I love it. I love

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a good black comedy. Let's talk
about one of them today. Let's talk

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about a film by Martin McDonough,
his twenty twelve satirical crime drama Seven Psychopaths.

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Hello, everybody, I'm Jeff Johnson
and I am Andrew Blakeley, and

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this is a film by podcast Andrew. It is great to have you back.

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You've been away for a couple of
weeks. Yeah, I'll call it

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call it paternity leave. Yeah,
you've been you've been. They going good,

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I hope, Oh yeah, yeah, I know. It's fantastic.

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I'm definitely feeling a little like a
psychopath myself a little sleep deprived, but

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fantastic. I knew this one would
draw you back out. Uh, this

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is one of your favorite directors,
if I'm not mistaken. Absolutely, you

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know, talking dark comedies, he
three of his four probably in my my

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five dark comedy lists of all time. He's brilliant and this is one underappreciated

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work. In my opinion, I'm
inclined to agree with you. Let's talk

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about seven psychopaths. Boozy writer Marty
played by Colin Ferrell, is a man

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in search of a screenplay. He
has a catchy title, but no story

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to go along with it. Marty
has a couple of odd ball buddies,

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Hans played by Christopher Walken and Billy
played by Sam Rockwell, who make a

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living by kidnapping rich people's dogs,
then returning them and collecting the reward.

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However, this time the fur flies
when Hans and Billy kidnap the beloved pooch

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of a gangster played by Woody Harrelson, and Marty uses the ensuing events as

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fodder for his screenplay. I gotta
tell you, I think that that actually

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represents what this movie is. But
even so, this movie takes so many

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left turns. I was struggling to
keep up with it. Man. Yeah,

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it's definitely. It would be hard
to write, you know, sort

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of a back of the box blurb
for this, because it's it doesn't really

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fit neatly into any category. It's
narrative, kind of jumps around a bunch.

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It's it's a very interesting movie.
And I think that's one of the

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things that always draws me to make
done as movies is they're always unexpected.

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They're never what you're what you think
you're gonna get, they never go where

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you think they're gonna go. And
this, this movie does that a lot.

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Admittedly, this was a first time
watch for me, and as recent

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as several hours ago, I sat
down to watch this for the first time

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and I just didn't know. There
are parts where I'm like, this is

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this is brilliance, this is genius, and other parts I'm like, what

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the hell am I watching? What's
going on? But yeah, I'll tell

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you, the first time I watched
it, I felt the same. I

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don't. I'll be honest, I
don't think I liked it the first time

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I watched it. Okay, I
was coming hot off of n Bruges,

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which is genuinely one of my favorite
movies of all time. It's amazing,

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and you know, I'd watched it
one hundred times. So when this came

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out, because this was there was
a few years between in BRUEs and this,

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this was his sophomore outing, I
was expecting something more like that,

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and this very clearly is different.
So I was a little disappointed. But

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I've watched it a few times since, and I gotta say I've come around

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on it a lot. I really
like it. I think there's a lot

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more to it than its silliness kind
of betrays. A few days ago,

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our Patreon released another one of our
lost nineteen eighty six episodes we did at

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close Range, starring Christopher Walkin.
Yeah, so I was all amped up

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ready for Walking and I will.
I gotta say he does not disappoint in

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this film. Looking forward to talking
a little bit about his character for sure,

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And there are just moments where I
genuinely I hung in because I thought,

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you know what, I'm gonna end
up liking this movie. At the

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end of it, it's gonna it's
gonna take another turn and I'm gonna I'm

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gonna applaud it. So I'm glad. I'm glad you picked this one man.

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Yeah, me too. I mean, I love the idea. I

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love getting your your reactions to this
because, as I said, I was

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conflicted coming out the gate. But
I will say, uh, you mentioned

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walking. I think both he and
Rockwell just absolutely steal the show. Rockwell's

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performance is so nuanced and silly but
also empathetic. It's really really well done.

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The cast of this, just even
Tom Waits, he's not in the

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movie a lot, is so brilliantly
weird as only Tom Wits can be,

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as only Tom Waits can be.
Let's talk about this cast. And I'm

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struggling with this even because I want
to say Colin Farrell in the lead role,

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but yeah, I think that's at
times. I think that's the intention,

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but maybe at times Sam Rockwell takes
the lead. Is that this is

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this is a movie about a screenwriter
writing a movie called Seven Psychopaths, and

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it's a movie called seven Psychopaths.
So I think that Marty is sort of

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a self insert for McDonough. I
mean, they even share the same first

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name. They're both Irish. So
although I don't know if if McDonough has

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a drinking problem or not. So
I think he's just sort of meant to

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be our our inroad to this because
it's very self aware as self referential,

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and I think he is he is
our endpoint to that. But I don't

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know that there is necessarily a main
character. I think this is very much

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writing on the ensemble energy. I
agree, I agree. What do you

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think of Coln Farrel? He doesn't
do anything necessarily bad or wrong in this

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movie, but I think he's upstaged
by just the the zaniness of everybody around

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him. He's a very normal character, and nobody else in this movie is

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normal. I know, he's the
character that we're we're kind of seeing the

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the film transpire through. But he
doesn't hold a candle to Sam Rockwell when

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when Rockwell's on the on the screen
with him. Yeah, I mean,

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I think Sam Rockwell is one of
those actors that whatever he's in, he

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elevates. And if he's made the
choice to be in a movie, I'm

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probably gonna like it. You know. He's also in He works with mcdona

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and McDonough again in Three Billboards Outside
of Eving, Missouri, YEP, and

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was just a wholly different character.
But every single thing he's in, even

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bad movies, he just takes him
up a level and this is no different.

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He's got this. He almost seems
he's really leaning into the idea that

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he is having to fake or emulate
emotions and he's not quite good at it

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yet. Yeah, you can see
like he's he's practiced. Things he wants

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to say to Marty and so he'll
repeat them verbatim with the exact same tone

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if they didn't land the way he
wanted. And just little little things like

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that I think really elevate his performance. His character Billy Bickell at times feels

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like I'm almost like he's like a
comic book character. And I think I

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know a lot of that's Sam Rockwell, just his gravitas, just taking it

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over the top. But I gotta
wonder if it's gotta be a not to

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taxi driver. The fact that his
last name is Bickell and he has a

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scene where he's rehearsing himself in the
mirror. Oh yes, I think there's

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quite a few references because of the
nature of you know, a film about

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a film, so to speak.
I think there's a lot of film references

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throughout this because it's sort of playing
on and mocking the idea of those overly

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macho psycho characters, and I you
know, I think to an extent that

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might be an affectation Billy intentionally puts
on because he wants to. He wants

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to be that guy. He wants
to be that psycho, well, someone

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that's usually not overtly macho, but
definitely borderline psychotic. Christopher Walkin playing Hi

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Kislowski also Andrew, can we are
we gonna talk spoilers? I mean this

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movie, I think we have to. It'd be hard not to. But

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Okay, if you have not watched
this movie, stop now, because this

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movie takes some weird turns and I
want you know, everybody they'll be able

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to experience it. Okay, So
I'll tell you what if you if you

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want to go spoiler free, hit
stop, come back and see us here

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in a couple hours, head over
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then come right back. And now
that we've taken care of that business,

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Christopher walking doing double duty. He's
he's Hans, but he's also we come

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to find out that he's the Quaker, this enigmatic character who we initially see

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played by Harry Dean Stanton in a
quick cameo. What a fascinating character man.

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Absolutely as far as one of the
psychopaths go. I love this guy

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well. I love the the play
on, you know, being a essentially

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a pist psychopath. I mean,
he's clearly brave, he's clearly a lunatic,

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but he never lifts a finger in
violence towards anybody, and he's not

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ever going to. And I think
that's such a a cool way to do

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that, especially in a movie like
this that's sort of they talk about both

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celebrating and rejecting violence, and so
to have a character like that and played

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by somebody like Walkin who can just
he can sell absolutely anything, and it's

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so weird in the best way.
I'm gonna tell you. I know this.

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I'm skipping way far into the towards
the end, but I think maybe

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my favorite scene in the whole movie, my favorite moment for a character is

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his moment at the end, and
it's a it's an improvised scene where the

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guy, you know, the Hinchman, tells him those hands up and he

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goes, oh no, but I
have a gun. I have a gun.

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I don't care. It doesn't make
any sense. It's brilliant. That's

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brilliant, right. I love that
moment for Christopher Walkin. Absolutely. Yeah.

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There's also a beautiful scene with him
that I want to talk about,

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and I can kind of lead us
into the next character I think is worth

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talking about. But he has sort
of a stare down with I guess you

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could call the villain of the movie
played by Woody Harrelson. Okay, it's

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his stare down, there's so much
behind it, but it's also still that

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kind of quirky Walkin esque delivery that
makes it, even though you know he's

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a pacifist, incredibly intimidating. All
Right, I want I want you to

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put a pin in that scene because
I do want to talk specifically about that

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scene here here soon. But you
know you mentioned Woody Harrelson. Let's let's

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talk about Woody Harrelson. He's the
gangster Charlie Costello. Yeah, and such

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a great choice to get Woody Harrelson. He wasn't actually initially the first choice.

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Mickey Rourke was originally in the role
and ok it had it locked down

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and apparently had such a disagreement with
McDonough that he just called him an asshole.

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And left, So Harrelson kind of
came in near the end, and

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having watched it now, it'd be
hard to imagine anybody else in that role.

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He's so perfect for it. He
does the perfect psycho terrifying but also

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like really funny, and not many
people can pull that off the way what

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he Harrelson can. I Yeah,
when I think of Woody Harrelson playing funny

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but also playing fearsome, I always
think of Mickey Knox in Natural Born Killers.

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Yeah, Oliver Stone, because he's
he's hilarious in the movie, but

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he's also intimidating. He's terrifying,
you know, and he's another serial He's

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playing a serial killer. The guy
has the type. He has a type.

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But maybe Mickey Work has a type
because you said he he's in this

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role, fights with the director,
gets and then walks off the set.

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I thought the same thing. I
thought that same thing happened for The Expinnables

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too, which is also this year. So is Mickey Work just fighting with

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everybody? Twenty twelve just haven't had
a rough year. I guess bad year

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for Rourke, yeah, or bad
year for everybody that had to work with

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Roork I guess or yeah, that's
another way to look at it. Whatody

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Harrelson though, he's there's a distinct
scene where you know, he realizes he

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may not get his dog back and
his dog's gonna die, and the entire

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movie hinges around how this completely cold, psychopathic killer is absolutely obsessed with his

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dog us so much. Yeah,
and so there's a scene where he's crying

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and crying because he's not going to
get his dog back, and it's just

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nothing about it. I mean,
this man has killed several people and will

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kill several more in cold blood,
and you're just watching him sob over his

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dog and it's it's weirdly sad and
funny in a way that I don't think

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many people could do. Yeah,
I don't think anyone could do this the

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way he does it. And something
about his coldness in this film too,

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because we're we're getting some chuckles with
a scene like that. But at the

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same time, the scene where he
goes to visit Hans Christopher Walken's wife in

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the in the hospital, he's terrifying
and he's he is an out and out

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villain in that moment, because you're
like, come on, you're not gonna

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You're not gonna kill a an elderly
woman in a hospital and he splatters her

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brains all over the wall. It's
just it's and I was like, whoa

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what? And you know, we
talked about this movie taking some crazy left

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turns. I did not expect that, you know. I thought I was

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watching a dark comedy here, like
you know, and then all of a

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sudden, it gets it got serious. It got real real quick, you

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know, absolutely, and he did
it so coldly, like you said,

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there's no anger. It's not rage. It's just he's just kind of there

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hanging out and has no problem shooting
this old lady in the face. Man.

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I was very strange. Yeah,
I was. I was hoping,

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you know, because because Walkin's wife
is a black woman and he's got the

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Polish name. So when he comes
in and says, hey, where's where's

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missus uh kills loss Lobsky and she's
like, oh, she's in surgery,

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and you're like, yes, he's
she's gonna out smart him. And when

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he puts it together, you're just
like no. And then you know this,

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it's fair to say that there's some
language in this film. And mcdona's

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look, macdonna's yeah, he's he's
known for some language, but I'm talking

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about uncomfortable language, and this,
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the hell am I watching here?
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always something that happens, and I
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we don't expect that to happen in
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or you don't do that, because
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McDonough as a writer, anytime you
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Okay, I definitely like all the
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got some some powerhouse performances. We
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Olga Carelinko, we mentioned Harry Dean
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here for a few minutes. Anyone
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you love in these small roles?
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yeah, very intentionally so, and
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remember rewatching it this time and I
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Olga Kirilenko were grossly underused. Their
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then at a certain point, Walkin's
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about how he sucks at writing women
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they're kind of playing generic female characters
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last time we see her, she
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in Sam Rockwell's crazy fever dream of
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movie, but she just she like
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like raining all of a sudden,
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guns and it's like, what really, like, we could do more with

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is. He's being pretty transparent,
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she opens the door Sam Rockwell and
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yeah, I go back and forth
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commentary on the genre, because obviously
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I'm not sure which it is.
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we're thinking about that, let's hear
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about the film's background and what we
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are back discussing Martin mcdonna's Seven Psychopaths. So a couple of things that are

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noteworthy here Andrew. This script was
featured on the two thousand and six Blacklist,

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which is a list that runs around
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of the year. As we mentioned
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and produced by Martin mcdonnaugh, shot
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as Joshua Tree National Park. And
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lives in LA can quickly pick up
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And I've been to Joshua Tree several
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beautiful, it's fun to climb around
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but so unique looking. I love
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a final shootout, because it is. I mean, there's so many places

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like that in Joshua Tree, and
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something I I found that I really
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in the background during the hospital scenes. It's generic, it's just there,

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But that actually is a famous SoundBite
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television as far back as nineteen eighty
six. Nice and was first used on

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The Cosby Show. Interesting, very
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and listen for it. It's gonna
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drinking game. It definitely it's a
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I think is what they say something
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thing. Andrew, we've talked about
a couple scenes. Let's talk about what

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you think is the pivotal scene in
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to mention mine earlier and I asked
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definitely what I want to talk about. Yeah, I think there's a couple

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this movie takes a couple of really
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those turns I feel like could be, you know, the pivotal scene,

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but I think for me it would
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Hans and Marty that Billy is psychopath
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the tone of the whole movie,
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stage for the rest of it because
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out a few scenes prior, and
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actually is. Yeah, that's one
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and even on the rewatch, kind
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it's that culmination just felt so cool. I'm watching this for the first time

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and two things are running through my
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The first is who was the first
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characters, we get this like typer
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we psychopath number one, psychopath number
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one on the screen. So for
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who was who? What did I
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Who's the first psychopath? And on
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cool subplot going through the movie where
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and then dropping Jack of Diamonds playing
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Who's the Jack of Diamonds. So
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that big reveal that Billy is in
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get the you know, psychopath number
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thought that was just excellent. I
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the Jack of Diamonds, and you
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sort of tarantino asque, like something
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Michael I think it's stallbarg are are
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somebody and shooting them through the eyeball, and it's like really weird and quirky.

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It very much felt like something Tarantino
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they're both killed. You just see
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him in the head and kicks off
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jarring, and I love the way
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then to come back around and realize
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movie. He was he was kicking
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a fun, fun way to start
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these guys, if I'm not mistaken, both of them were on Boardwalk Empire

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during filming of this movie, so
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time. Yeah, yeah, so
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set and hey, come on over. But do you like it? The

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pivotal scene for me though? And
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you start talking about Woody Harrelson Hans
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is so thick in that scene.
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reveal as Walking takes off his cravat
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intimidation factor that the psychological games they're
playing it's and the emotion behind it too,

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because you know, Walkin doesn't break
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huge emotional release. But he just
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man. Yeah, and he's processing
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but it's also and this is the
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this movie. It's very poignant and
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really silly, which adds this level
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I'm sitting there watching it and Harrelson
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he starts, I want you to
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that's kind of a weird flex but
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scar, immediately your head goes,
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this is a real guy. And
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because I was like, now it's
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these characters that we're hearing about,
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characters. Love that moment. There's
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a lot more sense. After that
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the Quaker to two Hans and yes, when he realizes what's happening, Billy

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runs over and tries to interrupt,
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no, no, that's yeah,
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in retrospect, it's because he was
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if it was something he just made
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and that reveal just because so much
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or the one moment where he he
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oh, I want to hear the
end. Yeah, you know he knows.

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very scary in this movie. Yes, yes, he is someone who is

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not scary. You want to talk
a little bit about Martin McDonough, Yeah,

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I one of my favorites. I'd
love to. Yeah, So a

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couple of fun facts about this guy. A British playwright, screenwriter, director

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and producer. He he is wearing
many hats in his career. We've been

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talking about the you know, the
use of black comedy. He's kind of

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known. This is his thing,
this is his his his genre, if

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you will. His movies typically feature
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and characters with politically incorrect attitudes.
I think this movie specifically is a

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perfect example of that. Yeah,
the gory of violence, everything, the

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politically incorrect, I feel like is
a is a very mild way to put

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it. Yeah, And I you
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thing that he's putting in there,
you know, sort of again to reference

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Tarantino, it's sort of a wish
fulfillment, like, you know, these

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guys are cool, some like that's
a way to make them cool, or

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if it's a way to intentionally make
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I definitely feel like it takes it
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dud dial it back, chill.
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he does a little a little much
of. And you know, you said

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to Tarantino, and Tarantino definitely is
one that will use certain words to elicit

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a response and and maybe to kind
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like Woody Harrelson using a specific slur
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like, man, this guy's a
piece of shit. I don't like him.

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he's kind of like saying, oh, well, you know what, I

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don't think they like that. You
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giving his ideas for the movie.
So it's still uncomfortable, but you're not

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going to dislike walking for it,
which is which kind of puts puts you

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in a weird headspace. I think, yeah, and I like playing with

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that space. You know, we
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and there's a scene with quite a
few racial remarks in m Bruges where Colin

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Ferrell's character is taking a bunch of
drugs and drinking a lot and hang out

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with you know, a guy he
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and so they use the the M
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times, they use quite a few
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on drugs, they say like there's
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this stuff. But then later when
he's sobered up, he's like, hey

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man, that was like that was
the drugs talking. That wasn't cool.

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whole movie. If that makes sense, it makes sense. This guy,

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Andrew. He's won the Academy Award, he's won four Golden Globe Awards,

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and he's been nominated for five Tony
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been pretty successful. Yeah, I
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Banshee's venas she Heerian should have won. But that's you know, that's just

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me. I might be in the
minority on that one. You might be,

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you might not be. We're gonna
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we get back, we're gonna discuss
his filmography. We're back, Andrew.

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Let's discuss the filmography of Martin McDonough. We mentioned before the break, We

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mentioned that he does have an Academy
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He got that in two thousand and
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which featured Brendan Gleason, who I
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If I'm not mistaken, did you
ever see this one I did a

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few years back. I remember liking
it, Honestly, I don't remember a

402
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whole lot about it. I went
to see it after, I believe,

403
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right after three Billboards Outside of Eban, Missouri came out. I was like,

404
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man, this guy just doesn't miss
I want to see what else he's

405
00:30:18.200 --> 00:30:21.960
done. So I went and found
it. Then, Okay, it's definitely

406
00:30:22.000 --> 00:30:23.839
what I want to look for because
I love I love Brendan Gleason, and

407
00:30:25.839 --> 00:30:30.039
I know I'm gonna lose some points
here. Let's talk about two thousand and

408
00:30:30.079 --> 00:30:34.039
eight when he breaks in with within
Bruges Andrew. I haven't seen this one

409
00:30:34.079 --> 00:30:40.240
yet, oh, Jeffrey, I
did not have. I wanted to have

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time to watch it. Oh man, I discuss it with you, because

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I know how much you love this
film, and I know I know I'm

412
00:30:45.920 --> 00:30:47.839
letting you down right now, and
I promise you I'll see it. But

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00:30:48.599 --> 00:30:51.440
I do want to hear you know
your your take on in Bruges, and

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I know I know you love it
because you You've referenced it several times this

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episode already. So yeah, tell
us a little bit about it. I'll

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give you my spoiler free thoughts on
it. It is a perfect dark comedy

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in the sense that it is very
funny and silly, but it has some

418
00:31:04.839 --> 00:31:11.440
truly harrowing moments, like it really
goes to some dark places and it's,

419
00:31:11.039 --> 00:31:15.480
you know, much like you said
this movie Seven Psychopaths, you really feel

420
00:31:15.640 --> 00:31:18.720
La and you feel Joshua Tree.
In Bruges takes place entirely in the city

421
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of Bruges in Belgium, and it's
just an absolutely gorgeous city. About five

422
00:31:26.480 --> 00:31:27.720
years ago, my wife and I
were road tripping through Europe and I made

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it a point to stop in Bruges
for a day because this movie just makes

424
00:31:32.039 --> 00:31:36.319
it seem magical, and it really
is. It's absolutely beautiful. It's like

425
00:31:36.319 --> 00:31:42.480
the cobblestone streets and little canals and
whatnot. So to have all this violence

426
00:31:42.519 --> 00:31:48.920
and absurdity in such a beautiful,
magical place was a stroke of genius.

427
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And then to put Brendan Gleeson and
Colin Ferrell together, they play off each

428
00:31:52.599 --> 00:31:56.880
other so well. It was magic. First time working with Colin Ferrell,

429
00:31:57.279 --> 00:32:01.960
I think, second time working with
Brennan Gleeson. It opened the two thousand

430
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and eight Sundance Film Festival and was
nominated for Best Original screenplay at the Academy

431
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Awards. So definitely on my list. I would have to believe that this

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is one that you absolutely recommend to
our listeners. Yes, that's ten out

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of ten, I reckon. I
mean, I will say much like Seven

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00:32:19.519 --> 00:32:22.839
Psychopaths, it is violent, It
goes to some dark places. It definitely

435
00:32:22.920 --> 00:32:28.319
uses some language that pushes the envelope. So if that's your thing, yes,

436
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that's not your cup of tea.
Maybe not for you. Well,

437
00:32:31.680 --> 00:32:37.960
we've been talking about twenty twelves Seven
Psychopaths twenty seventeen. He is back on

438
00:32:38.000 --> 00:32:44.720
the award circuit. Three Billboards outside
Ebbing, Missouri. Sam Rockwell's back,

439
00:32:45.279 --> 00:32:50.079
Woody Harrelson's back, Abby Cornish's back. This is a guy who he has

440
00:32:50.119 --> 00:32:54.519
a specific core group of actors and
actresses he likes and he uses some time

441
00:32:54.559 --> 00:33:00.359
after time. Your thoughts on Three
Billboards someone, I don't know that it

442
00:33:00.440 --> 00:33:04.960
checks the comedy box in the darker
comedy it is. This movie is just

443
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is just dark, but it's really
good. I mean, it is powerful,

444
00:33:09.480 --> 00:33:15.559
it is emotional. He wrote it
the lead specifically for Francis McDormand,

445
00:33:15.759 --> 00:33:21.680
and I mean she is just so
powerful and heartbreaking as I mentioned Sam Rockwell

446
00:33:21.680 --> 00:33:27.279
always he's always a ten, but
it's this is this is the movie where

447
00:33:27.279 --> 00:33:31.400
I feel like he really elevated his
game to be like Oscar Worthy. Yeah,

448
00:33:31.680 --> 00:33:37.440
there's one like Long Shot. It's
a very complex shot where Sam Rockwell's

449
00:33:37.519 --> 00:33:40.240
character walks up some stairs, beats
the crap out of a guy, throws

450
00:33:40.319 --> 00:33:44.440
him out of a window, walks
back downstairs, all of this in a

451
00:33:44.480 --> 00:33:49.960
single take, which logistically had to
be insanely complex. But it really makes

452
00:33:50.000 --> 00:33:52.000
you feel like viscerally, what's going
on in the moment, and it's it's

453
00:33:52.000 --> 00:33:59.160
so good, so good. Yeah. McDormand wins the Best Attress Academy Award

454
00:33:59.440 --> 00:34:01.839
for this one. I know,
a couple of episodes ago, me and

455
00:34:01.839 --> 00:34:07.360
Amber were talking about Ladybird and I
said it then, I'll say it now.

456
00:34:07.480 --> 00:34:14.039
I really think Lori Metcalf was the
the better actress that year. However,

457
00:34:14.519 --> 00:34:20.320
Francis McDorman was pretty powerful. I'm
not I'm not taking anything away from

458
00:34:20.320 --> 00:34:23.920
her her performance. I'm just I'm
just reiterating I still think Ladybird's uh Rory

459
00:34:24.000 --> 00:34:30.079
metcalf might have had it. That's
fair. Yeah, I can see I

460
00:34:30.079 --> 00:34:35.079
can see the case either way.
Okay, Okay, now it also this

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00:34:35.119 --> 00:34:40.039
one, it's a Best Supporting Actor. Harrelson and Rockwell are nominated against each

462
00:34:40.079 --> 00:34:45.000
other, and Rockwell wins, So
I feel like that's that's a win win

463
00:34:45.079 --> 00:34:47.199
no matter how you slice it.
Honestly, Yeah, would, I would?

464
00:34:47.280 --> 00:34:51.800
I did the right guy get it? Andrew? Yeah. That character

465
00:34:52.559 --> 00:34:55.880
goes on such a journey and is
so layered and complex, and Rockwell pulls

466
00:34:55.880 --> 00:35:00.679
it off because, like you really
hate him for a lot of the movie,

467
00:35:00.280 --> 00:35:04.519
but also you sort of sympathize with
him, and he has like sort

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00:35:04.559 --> 00:35:07.440
of heroic moments and they all make
sense. It doesn't feel forced. It's

469
00:35:07.920 --> 00:35:12.880
a very interesting character. I don't
like him at all, which is Sam

470
00:35:12.960 --> 00:35:15.679
Rockwell's one thing is he is charming
as all hell. Yes, So for

471
00:35:15.760 --> 00:35:19.719
him to be able to stow that
and still bring such power to it,

472
00:35:19.800 --> 00:35:22.880
yeah, I think he was.
He absolutely deserved it that year. I

473
00:35:22.920 --> 00:35:24.440
need to do a rewatch of this
one because I remember loving it. But

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00:35:25.159 --> 00:35:30.400
like you said, this is a
really dark film. I don't remember feeling

475
00:35:30.079 --> 00:35:35.000
any moment of levity, any moment
of comedy. He call it up,

476
00:35:35.000 --> 00:35:37.320
you know, and it's listed as
a black comedy. A lot of people

477
00:35:37.360 --> 00:35:39.000
call it a dark comedy, but
I don't see it that way. Maybe

478
00:35:39.000 --> 00:35:42.400
maybe I need to rewatch it.
It's been a couple of years. No,

479
00:35:42.639 --> 00:35:45.360
definitely nowhere near. I'm not laughing
at all during that one where it's

480
00:35:45.400 --> 00:35:49.960
like in Bruises and Seven Psychopaths,
there are genuinely funny moments that you can

481
00:35:49.960 --> 00:35:52.440
point to and be like, that's
absurd, that's silly, that's a comedy.

482
00:35:53.320 --> 00:36:00.000
His most recent film twenty twenty two's
The Banshees of Initiarin in a shearing,

483
00:36:00.119 --> 00:36:05.000
I believe in a shearing, Thank
you, thank you. What can

484
00:36:05.039 --> 00:36:07.440
you tell me about this one?
Andrew, like all the others, I

485
00:36:07.440 --> 00:36:13.559
think his cinematography and his use of
like the the place that this takes place

486
00:36:13.719 --> 00:36:15.559
is perfect, Like it makes you
want to go to Ireland and just go

487
00:36:15.639 --> 00:36:21.320
find some random island and like live
on it. It was really it was

488
00:36:22.000 --> 00:36:30.039
some really interesting choices in it,
but again it really leans heavily on Farrell

489
00:36:30.119 --> 00:36:36.079
and Brendan Gleeson, and they they
were amazing. Farrell's like this just kind

490
00:36:36.119 --> 00:36:40.719
of sad sack, really simple,
innocent, kind of dumb guy, like

491
00:36:40.840 --> 00:36:46.760
kind like a good kind person,
and he plays it so well. I

492
00:36:46.760 --> 00:36:52.000
think he all all of these movies
that really revolve around the cast, and

493
00:36:52.039 --> 00:36:54.960
I mean, this guy puts together
a hell of a cast. Well,

494
00:36:55.000 --> 00:36:58.440
speaking of that, I'll tell you
the reason why this one's on my radar.

495
00:36:58.679 --> 00:37:00.360
I need why I need to see
it. I saw that it was

496
00:37:00.400 --> 00:37:07.599
not. Barry Keegan was nominated for
Best Supporting Actor, again against Brendan Gleeson.

497
00:37:07.679 --> 00:37:12.880
Like McDonald's movies have a habit of
pitting two of its stars against each

498
00:37:12.880 --> 00:37:16.280
other for the same award. But
I'm I'm really on a Barry Keegan kick

499
00:37:16.519 --> 00:37:22.719
after seeing Saltburn. Yeah. I
think the guy's incredible. I mean,

500
00:37:22.719 --> 00:37:24.599
I've loved him in Dunkirk and everything
else he's done. But now it's like,

501
00:37:24.599 --> 00:37:29.039
what, what have I not seen
that Barry Keegan's in? So this

502
00:37:29.280 --> 00:37:30.960
was on my list? Yeah,
I'll tell you it's it's really slow.

503
00:37:31.280 --> 00:37:38.000
It's a really slow movie. Barry
Keegan's character is he It's just it's really

504
00:37:38.039 --> 00:37:42.480
good, but it's very slow,
very weird, and the humor in it

505
00:37:42.519 --> 00:37:46.320
isn't quite as like chuckling laughing out
loud humor, but it's it's still very

506
00:37:46.320 --> 00:37:50.559
funny. There's some really good stuff
in it. Well, i'd like to

507
00:37:50.599 --> 00:37:57.079
talk about what's next for this director, but we can't. Currently he has

508
00:37:57.280 --> 00:38:00.800
nothing in development. He's he's not
writing anything, he's not in pre production

509
00:38:00.880 --> 00:38:05.639
directing anything. He's not he's not
in the theater. I don't know what

510
00:38:05.679 --> 00:38:08.559
he's doing. I do know that
he's dating. He's been dating Phoebe waller

511
00:38:08.599 --> 00:38:14.119
Bridge for several years, so maybe
he's just taken a nice long holiday and

512
00:38:14.920 --> 00:38:17.519
relaxing. But what would you want
to see? Like, if you could

513
00:38:17.519 --> 00:38:21.599
pick his next project, Andrew,
what would you want to see from Martin

514
00:38:21.639 --> 00:38:29.119
McDonough. Honestly, he's done four
movies. I've loved all four of them,

515
00:38:29.199 --> 00:38:32.039
and none of them are really what
I was expecting or what I would

516
00:38:32.079 --> 00:38:35.480
have thought of from him. I
mean, after these first two, for

517
00:38:35.599 --> 00:38:38.159
him to go on and make a
like a tragic dark movie and then to

518
00:38:38.199 --> 00:38:44.559
follow that up with a period piece
about some small interpersonal drama between two random

519
00:38:44.599 --> 00:38:47.559
dudes living on an island alone,
Like I don't. I don't think there's

520
00:38:47.559 --> 00:38:51.000
any way to predict what he's going
to do or how he's going to do

521
00:38:51.039 --> 00:38:52.119
it, And that's one of the
things I like about him. He's always

522
00:38:52.119 --> 00:38:55.360
surprising. So I don't know.
I just want him to make something man

523
00:38:57.039 --> 00:39:00.199
anything, I will see it.
I'll be there, I'll be in line.

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00:39:00.000 --> 00:39:05.800
Fantastic. You can check out Seven
Psychopaths. It is currently streaming on

525
00:39:05.880 --> 00:39:09.519
Paramount Plus. You can always rent
it on most pretty much all the streaming

526
00:39:09.559 --> 00:39:15.960
apps, but if you have paramunt
Plus, check it out. We want

527
00:39:15.960 --> 00:39:21.320
to know what you think of Seven
Psychopaths. Let us know on social media.

528
00:39:21.639 --> 00:39:25.119
We're on Facebook, Instagram, and
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00:39:25.239 --> 00:39:29.800
dot a film by podcast dot com
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530
00:39:29.840 --> 00:39:35.119
and our entire library, which is
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531
00:39:35.159 --> 00:39:37.800
at a film by Podcast at gmail
dot com. It seems like a lot

532
00:39:37.840 --> 00:39:39.320
of people are doing that lately,
Andrew, so we're trying to get to

533
00:39:39.360 --> 00:39:44.920
all the emails, and as always
we will shout you out when we when

534
00:39:44.960 --> 00:39:47.360
we when we read them. But
you can give us your questions, comments

535
00:39:47.400 --> 00:39:52.440
and concerns, and as I just
said, we will probably read your response

536
00:39:52.480 --> 00:39:55.800
on the show and we'll send you
some of our Film by swag. You

537
00:39:55.840 --> 00:40:00.559
can join us tomorrow for our Star
Trek theme series. Base are set to

538
00:40:00.599 --> 00:40:06.079
stunt. Wayne, Dave and Scott
are continuing their conversation about Star Trek the

539
00:40:06.079 --> 00:40:10.880
next Generation with their top ten episodes
of season seven, and on Friday,

540
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are Limited series A Film at forty
five will celebrate the forty fifth anniversary of

541
00:40:15.960 --> 00:40:22.079
the Chuck Norris Classic Force of One. Hell yeah, Andrew, you love

542
00:40:22.159 --> 00:40:24.440
Chuck Norris too, right? I
mean, how do you love an interesting

543
00:40:24.519 --> 00:40:29.840
word? I love watching Chuck Norris, You love watching Okay, Okay,

544
00:40:29.960 --> 00:40:36.039
that's fair. Yeah, that one's
fantastic. Looking forward to seeing what David

545
00:40:36.079 --> 00:40:39.280
Scott have to offer for that one. And next time on a film by

546
00:40:39.880 --> 00:40:46.360
we are preparing for the release of
Alex Garland's Civil War in theaters and we'll

547
00:40:46.360 --> 00:40:53.800
be talking about his twenty twenty two
British Folk Corps film Men. Interesting pick

548
00:40:53.880 --> 00:40:59.119
considering we just wrapped up Women's History
Month and had all these great female directors

549
00:40:59.199 --> 00:41:02.320
and and women on the show,
so we're taking a hard left. Like

550
00:41:02.400 --> 00:41:08.599
Martin McDonald talking about Andrew, it
was a blast having you back, man.

551
00:41:08.639 --> 00:41:13.840
I'm so happy you're back in the
rotation. Man. I'm happy to

552
00:41:13.840 --> 00:41:15.920
be back. Man. I love
any excuse to watch this movie and talk

553
00:41:15.960 --> 00:41:20.800
to you. All right, Well, we've got plenty more options in store

554
00:41:20.880 --> 00:41:24.559
for you, so I know we'll
be talking to you very soon can't wait.

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And to all you out there hitting
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