July 20, 2025

Michael Mann - Collateral

Michael Mann - Collateral
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Season 6A Film By...

On this episode, Jeff takes Eric Dearth on a drive through the neon-lit noctural world of filmmaker Michael Mann's Los Angeles to discuss charismatic hitmen, sleek cinematography, great soundtracks, and a Tom Cruise villain we can't help but love. Come along for the ride in Collateral!

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Anytime a film has a charismatic assassin, I am all

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in so considering characters like John Wick, Agent forty seven, Leon,

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Vincent Vega and Jules Winfield, or even Anton Segur. Who

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is your go to hit man?

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My go to hit man, It's gotta be Vincent Los

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Angeles Collateral. But I do have a couple of backups.

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I will say Lafemni Kita the original, not the Bridget

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That's an interesting that's an interesting answer. I will say this,

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I think Vincent has got to be in the conversation.

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So let's talk about a film by Michael Mann, his

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two thousand and four neo noir action thriller Collateral. Hello everybody,

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I'm Jeff Johnson, and this is a film by podcast.

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Eric Dirth is with us. He's a recurring voice on

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the docum based seventy seven podcast. We've done a few

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episodes over there together, most recently the April Fool's Day

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episode where I hijack Daton Show and covered Whitney Houston's

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debut album of all Time. I don't think anyone expected that,

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did they?

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Eric no, they didn't. It was a real heel turn

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I think for the podcast industry.

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Well, you know, I had such a great time. I know,

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I know. Liam Lewis was with us. We had a

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we had a great conversation. I invited you guys to

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stop by the film by studio, and I think it

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was like a day later you messaged me asking if

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we could do Michael Mann's Collateral. So tell me why

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why this movie was your first shot.

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I am a Tom Cruise fan, but I'm not the

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over the top Tom Cruise fan. I like some of

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his films that may be considered a little bit more questionable.

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I liked Vanilla Sky, I liked Tropic Thunder, but I

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also liked when he plays a role where he is

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not hanging off the side of the Burke Khalifa or

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dangling from an airplane. I saw this movie in the

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theater in two thousand and four when it came out,

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and this was before Tom Cruise was you know, air

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quote Tom Cruise, but I loved the There's a term

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in the industry it's called a bottle episode, and I

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loved it because it was basically a bottle episode. It

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was two people in a cab and the whole movie

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hinged on the relationship between the person in the back

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seat and the person in the front seat, and they

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made it work so well. And I've heard and I

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agree with other people who say this film starts in

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the third act. It starts in the third act. You

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don't get built up. So in the very beginning of

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this film, a dead body falls on the cab. Boom,

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We're done with act one, We're done with that two,

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we are now to act three. What are we gonna

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do to resolve the film? And it doesn't stop from there.

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The film starts out balls to the wall, and it

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never stops until will last minute.

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I'm gonna agree with you. It's maybe not a build up,

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but there's certainly tension leading up to the third act.

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As far as Show and Tell listeners, I'm gonn tell

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you right now. I don't know if we'll get video

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on this episode. But Eric, through the through the magic

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of zoom backgrounds and camera trickery, I'm seeing Eric. He

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is in he's wearing the the Tom Cruise suit, he's

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got the sunglass song, he's in the back of the cab.

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Uh.

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It's just fantastic. Eric, You do this. I know we

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what we did. We've done some docu bay episodes. You

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always come like, you know, like like it's a stage show.

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I appreciate your.

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You know, I know most people don't see the videos,

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but I I've tried in every episode I've ever been

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on to bring a little character to the podcast.

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A little bit about Michael Mann, a few facts and

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a quote. This one blows my mind. In nineteen eighty five,

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he sued William Freedkin for plagiarism, claiming that the director

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had stole his entire concept of Miami Vice to make

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the film To Live and Die in La, which coincidentally

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is celebrating its fortieth anniversary. We were thinking, actually we've

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been batting out one around wondering if we're going to

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cover it or not. But you know, knowing this, I

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kind of definitely want to put it on the calendar

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if we could fit it in. But he does wind

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up losing the lawsuit, but ends up becoming close friends

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with William Freakin after the fact and Eric. The irony

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here is that William Peterson stars in To Live and

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Die in La, and then a year later he stars

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at Manhunter for Michael Mann.

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And Michael Mann a very distinguished history, which uh I

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heard when I do my research for the podcast. I

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actually go to other podcasts and I listened to what

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they say. And there was a debate about heat versus collateral.

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Okay, that collateral.

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Was heat in a taxi cab.

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Interesting and I've you know that that may tie into

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something I'm gonna talk about later, but I'm gonna kick

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it down the road for now. More on Michael mannon

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known for giving a thumbs up when he feels which

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take is the one, And I gotta tell you there's

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some great behind the scenes stuff on Collateral. Jimmy Fox

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talks about how he was just sweating it. He's putting

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in all this effort and he's just waiting. He's like

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the corner of his eye, he's looking at Michael Man

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hoping for that thumbs up, and he said, when you

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get it, it's just a relief just cascades over you.

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I like when directors have like their own little language,

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like I know Clint doesn't. He never yells cut, he

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just says enough of that shit. I just I like

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when their personality kind of leads into their their their

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style of working. All right, I'm gonna do this. I

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don't typically do this, but a little fun thing here

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Michael Mann's top ten favorite films. Eric, I look at

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the list. I know you've seen, got it. You have

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to have a least seen half of them. I know

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I have. There's a couple on here that I now

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want to see based on his recommendation. But here's Michael

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Mann's top ten favorite films. Apocalypse Now, Avatar, Battleship, Tomentican, Beautiful,

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Citizen Kane, Doctor Strangelove, My Darling, Clementine, The Passion of Joan, Arc,

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Raging Bull, and last, but certain not least, The Wild Bunch.

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That's a it's a pretty impressive list. I gotta be honest.

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Okay, So that's Michael Mann's like favorite film list.

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That's if you ask Michael Mann, what's your top ten

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favorite movies, that's the ten that he's gonna give you.

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So damn, Jeff, you went down the rabbit hole on

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this one. I did not know that.

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Yeah, quote from Michael Mann, and he's talking about seeing

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movies in the cinema. And I know this is an

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ongoing debate lately ever since COVID, Like you know, theater,

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there's a lot of theaters that are struggling to just

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stay open. Michael Mann says, quote a sixty five foot

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wide screen and five hundred people reacting to the movie.

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There is nothing like that experience. I'm inclined to agree

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with him. When you see the right movie in a

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packed house and you get that that communal experience where

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you're you're all gas being at the same thrill, you're

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all cheering for the same hero, you're all laughing at

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the same joke. That is a wonderful experience, especially when

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you're with a crowd that's there to experience the film.

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And I'm not talking about people on their cell phones

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or people talking or leaning.

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Oh I hate that.

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You have a great a great audience and you're involved

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in that. I agree with him, there's nothing like that.

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It's it's it's a it's a wonderful experience.

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And and to tie in with our conversation tonight about

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Tom Cruise and Collateral, the first film I ever saw

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in the theater after COVID was Top Gun, Maverick, There

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you go, Imax.

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Well, Tom Cruise was was credited with saving the movie

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cinema industry, and you know, with with Maverick, and I

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agree with that. I absolutely agree with that. Let's talk

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a little bit about collateral, Eric. I know there's people

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out there that have not seen this one, and I

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know there's people out there that have seen it, but

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it's probably been a while and maybe need a refresher.

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So in your own words, what's Collateral about.

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It's funny that you should ask that, because I've watched

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this film several times, and just last evening I was

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with my girlfriend Tina, who was a few years under

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the meat, who had never seen it, and I wanted

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to have a last minute rewatch, and she was glued

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to the screen. It is about a disassociated kind of

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sociopath who is a hitman for money, who is in

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Los Angeles for the evening to complete a series of jobs,

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and he hires a cab driver, an unsuspecting cab driver

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to drive him around throughout the evening while he commits

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these crimes, and none would be the wiser until everything

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flies off the rails in the first twenty minutes of

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the film. It is a psychological thriller but also an

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action thriller, but not in the way that you would

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think Tom Cruise jumping off of buildings, diving out of planes.

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He plays a very thoughtful, down to earth manipulative I'm

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looking out for every aspect of what is going on character,

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and you never expect what's coming in the next scene

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until it comes. And then the very first time I

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saw this, I saw this in the theater and I

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never saw what came at the end until it came

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at the end. If you like a good mystery without crazy,

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over the top explosions and car chases, then I think

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this is a good film for you. If you like

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a go to assassination movie, and again we're talking about

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like Jean Reno, the Professional fem Nikita, even Terminator, I

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think this is a film for you. It's two thousand

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and four, it's an older film, but you really should

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look it up. I think it's good.

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This is This is a darker film for Cruise. He's

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paying he's not playing the hero. He made no mistake,

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he's the villain. But he has got so much charisma

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and he has so much passion you have to follow him.

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Like throughout throughout the movie, you're like, you're rooting for

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Jimmy Fox obviously, but there's times I'm rooting for Tom Cruise.

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I'm rooting against Joel Fox.

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Jeff, I agree with you. And if I could go

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back and pretend that I never saw this movie before

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and I was watching it for the first time, I

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would actually start to sympathize with Tom Cruise. I would

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sympathize with Vincent. I would sympathize with what he was

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doing because he was hired to do a job, and

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let's face it, the people that he was going after

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were probably not the best, you know, people in the world.

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But then he shoots Mark Ruffalo Detective Fanning, and then

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you have to say, oh, man, I.

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Was just you have to choose a side.

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I was just rooting for you, Tom, and then you

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shot a cop.

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Yeah you did. We talked about the opening and you know,

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like you said, it goes off the rails. Everything would

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have been fine, except the first guy he goes after

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takes a two story header out the window, lands on

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top of the cab.

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Yep.

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And now these guys are forced to work together transparently,

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and that's YEP. I think this movie. Think about this.

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If Jamie Fox is driving him along none the wiser

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through like even half this movie, it's gonna play more

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like a Hitchcock film where we the audience know the danger,

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we know the suspense, know what's wrong, but the character

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that we're riding along with has no clue, and so

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we're just it's it creates tension, right, and that would

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have worked great. But the fact that Jamie Fox his

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eyes are opened his character Max, his eyes are opened

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immediately to what his situation is. Now it becomes a

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cat and mouse thriller, and it's like how long can

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can Max last? How long before he gets away? How

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long before he takes a stand?

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Right?

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So I love the dynamic that these two guys have.

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And speaking of dynamic, before we get too far away

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from it, I'm gonna ask you your opinion. Eric film opens,

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Tom Cruise's Vincent character in the Airport meets up with

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what has to be Jason Statham's Frank character from two

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thousand and twos of The Transporter. Do you believe that

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we've got a little bit of a cross pollination here,

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because if you ask the films, if you ask that

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film's director, Lewis Leterrier, he'll tell you that he's Stathan's

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playing Frank. What do you think your thoughts?

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I've heard this rumor and Michael Mann will argue differently.

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But when you look at Jason Stepham and the way

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he acts and the way he speaks, and the way

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he stands, the way he's dressed, the way he's dressed,

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and how brief the interaction is they bump into each other,

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they drop the briefcase. Oh sorry, mate, let me get

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that for you and I. In contrary to a lot

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of Internet opinion, I think that, yes, that Collateral and

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Transporter exist in the same universe.

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I'm calling it Jason Statham's Frank character. This is two

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thousand and two. I'm sorry, this is two thousand and four.

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I think he's in town.

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But this is way after that character.

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This is two years. Yeah, it's two years after the Transporter, right,

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I think. But after you think off all the things

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that happen in the Transporter, I think maybe he's he's

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in a just to lay low.

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Absolutely, yeah, he's done with his life. He's just basically

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a facilitator between bad guys. He's not driving a car,

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he's dropping briefcases. But no, I agree with you. I

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think they exist him the same one like it.

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It's fun, you know, I think fun. It's a fun thing.

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We're gonna take a quick break and when we get back,

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we're gonna talk a little bit about the cast. Welcome back.

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Eric Dirth from the Docking Base seventy seven podcast is

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with us today discussing Michael Mann's collateral. So Tom Cruise

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as Vincent, he is regularly meeting with Michael Mann before

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shooting to flesh out the character's background. And when I

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say flesh out the characters background, Eric, he like Tom

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Cruise is, he's all smiles as he's sharing this story,

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and he's he's talking about how Michael Man is excited

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to tell him all about what Vincent was like at

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age eleven. He's his silver fox look, the clothes, the

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gray hair, that sculpted scruff, five o'clock shadow, scruff he's got.

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Michael Mann knows every inch of this character. He knows

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every moment in the character's life. And they're just having conversations.

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They're meeting up here and there, having conversations building this

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man from the inside out. And I love that kind

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of commitment to a role because we know Tom Cruise

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is no stranger to you know, if you're gonna be

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in a you know, if you're gonna do top gun Maverick, Well,

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let's learn how to fly at F fourteen. If you're gonna,

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you know, be Ethan Hunt, Let's learn how to mountain

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climb and jump off buildings. He the guy commits, right,

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we know that. Prepping for this role, he spends three

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months working with a retired SAS soldier, learning close quarter combat,

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learning firearms. And this one blows my mind. I don't

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know if you know this one. Eric, you did a

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lot of I know you did a lot of research,

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and you're you're a big fan of this movie.

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You're about to say the UPS Driver.

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Yeah, okay, so FedEx, so tell this story? Was you

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know the story?

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Tell it? Yeah? So Michael Mann wanted Tom Cruise to

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learn how to be the every guy, the every man

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to blend into a situation invisible, right, be invisible? So

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they I believe it was the UPS because I saw

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the documentary and he's in the brown outfit. And so

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for two weeks, Tom Cruise literally went Undercrever as a

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UPS delivery driver.

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Was he wearing brown? He was wearing the brown uniform.

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He was wearing the brown nif. He goes under Trever

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as a delivery driver and only about two or three

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people that he ever delivered a package to knew who

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he was. But for three weeks he worked as a

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delivery driver.

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Eric, how many people are opening the door to get

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a package? No, most people don't do that, But this

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is two thousand, this is like early two thousand. How

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many people are walking past him as he comes up

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to the yard or the door. How many people are

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signing that little that little electronic gizmo and then closing

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the door thinking, damn, that guy kind of looks like

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Tom Cruise. I mean, obviously it's not Tom Cruise, but

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that guy looks like Tom Cruise. Like, how many people

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had that thought?

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You gotta wonder from from what I heard, he did

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more business delivery than personal delivery. He was delivering the

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businesses in and out. Nobody pays him a bit of attention.

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It's amazing, It's absolutely amazing. Yeah, and this is just

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it's it's a fun role. This is one of my

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favorite Tom Cruise roles. Honestly, I'm glad. I'm glad that

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you you you you suggested this one because he just

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never plays the bad guy. No, he does, rarely, Rarely

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he plays the bad guy.

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He's played it and correct me if I'm wrong. But

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I think he's played the quote unquote villain three times

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Taps Interview with a Vampire, which you could argue whether

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or not he was the villain. He's in that movie

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in Taps he was the villain. Yeah, And interestingly enough,

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he's only died in two movies, tap Well and Collateral.

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Yeah. Well, you know, if you, if you, if you're

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gonna go credit, because if you're going uncredited, let's not forget.

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He was one of the Murphy Men and young Guns.

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Oh, yes he was.

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He fell off Charlie. Charlie shoots him, he falls off

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the roof.

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Yeah, all right, so he died three times.

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But but it's rare. And I'll argue this is the

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best Tom Cruise death scene in a movie.

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We'll get it's one of the best death scenes in

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any movie.

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Okay, we'll get to it. We'll get to it. So

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Jamie Fox playing Max. Now Tom Cruise is off doing

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close quarter combat weapons training. Michael Mann spending just the

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same amount of time with with Jamie Fox, only they

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are on the race track because he's got Jamie in

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a Ford Crown Victoria learning the weight in the field

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of the car doing maneuverability doing and we're talking like

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high speed maneuverability, you know. And again back to the

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some of the behind the scenes stuff, seeing Jamie Fox

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dressed like Cold Trickle from Days of Thunder. He's got

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the helmet on, he's got the he's got the suit,

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you know, the the uniform, the NASCAR stuff, and then

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he hops in this beat up Crown Victoria, you know,

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which is gonna be what what they use for the

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cabs in this field in this film. But he is

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tearing it up on the racetrack and he's having a

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he's having a lot of fun. He's moonlighting with real

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cab drivers to better understand their lifestyle, their work, what

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guys that you know work the graveyard shift are all about.

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And it pays off. He's nominated for Best Supporting Actor

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at the seventy seventh Academy Awards, loses to Morgan Freeman,

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who won for a Million Dollar Baby. But we're not

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gonna feel bad for Jamie Fox because later that night

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he wins Best Actor for Ray. So heck of a night,

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you know, for for Jimmy Fox. Uh, tell me, tell me,

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tell me about tell me about Max, because you're rooting

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for him half through most.

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Of it, right in the beginning. I don't know that

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I was rooting for him in the beginning, because he

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has this idea Island Limo. It's gonna be the best Limo,

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the cool ride. You're gonna want to get in, You're

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never gonna want to get out. I gotta get my

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leases up, I gotta get the benz is off, you know.

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And and Vincent from the very beginning that he gets

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in that cab, he's sizing Max up. He says, Oh, well,

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how long you've been doing this all? It is just temporary, man,

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It's just temporary til I get my benses off leases.

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How long you've been doing this? Twelve years? So this

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is this is kind of an every man you can

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there are so many people that can relate to Max.

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There are very few people, I hope, very few people

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that could relate to Vincent, But everybody can late to Max.

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You've got a dream, You've got an idea. And even

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Vincent tells him, he's like, you know, one day you

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wake up and you're old and it never happened. Max

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is a guy who's incredibly smart. From the very beginning

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of the film, when Jada Pinkett Smith comes into that

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cab and he immediately sizes her up in thirty seconds.

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You're an attorney. You know, you've got the pinstripe suit.

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It's not bold, but it's not subtle. And he's like,

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and you're bad of bout data. I mean, he he

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is a smart guy.

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He's worldly. He knows he knows style, he knows fashion.

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If he could just get off his ass and get

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a little bit of money, he could be running the

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cab company.

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I think you're right. A lot of people can identify

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with Max, but not in the way they want to

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identify with him, because he he's a procrastinator. He is

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you know, he he's gonna rather than act, he's gonna,

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he's gonna, he's gonna react. And that's that's one of

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the things that I I think helps his character because

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his character has it goes to a little bit of

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growth here, he's gonna become you know, he's better for

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having had Vincent.

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We have to read yeah, oh yeah, he he Vincent

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pushes him over the edge in a good way. Yeah.

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He Vincent challenges him and makes him a better individual,

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not just you know, at at going after what you want,

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but just being a better son, being a better person,

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you know, And we'll get we'll get into that. But uh,

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you mentioned Jada Pinkett Smith. She's playing the attorney Annie.

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Real quick before we talk about her. We always, we

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always have the suspension of disbelief in a in a film.

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You have to, you have to, you have to give,

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you have to, you have to compromise on some things.

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How are you with the unbelievable coincidence that his fare

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is the last name on Vincent's hit list moments before

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Vincent approaches his cab, I mean, are you okay with it?

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Do you look past it?

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I actually don't think it's fate or a lot of people.

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I've heard stories online that where they say Vincent targeted

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Max because Annie was his last fare and he was

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going to try to get inside information. I don't think

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Vincent knew who his targets were until they each came

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up on his pad. And there's a scene where he's

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coming down the escalator as Annie is coming in the building,

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and she's coming and they pass and they never even

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look at each other. He didn't know anything about her.

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But I'm not buying that theory because he even leans

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in to you know, you know, checking well now I'm talking.

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Even before that, he leans in, you know, to see

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like is this cab is it on is you know,

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is he is he on duty? Max is kind of

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in his own world. He's you know, he's not hearing

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and Vince Vincent tumkers is. Vincent starts to walk away.

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There's there's a line of cabs. He's gonna go get

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the other one and well, hey, well I'm sorry, I'm

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sorry I heard I did hear you? Oh yeah, come on,

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come on. You know. So the idea that he's he's

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targeting Max, I.

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Don't believe that for a minute. But a minute. The

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minute Vincent gets in that cab, he's sizing Max up.

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He's asking, is this your cab? How much do you

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pull down a night? Do you share this with the

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day driver? Blah blah blah. I have some other theories

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that I don't know if we're actually planned in the film,

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but I have some theories about a background plot where

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Mark Ruffalo's character said, yeah up, then Oakland, we had

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the same thing. A cabby went around all night and

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shot a bunch of people and then shot himself. You remember,

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do you remember that background plot. No, Mark Ruffalo's character

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Detective fan Oh.

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Wait you're talking Wait, I thought youre talking about a

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different movie.

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Okay, No, in this movie, in this character, Detective Fanning

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knew of another case that happened up north where a

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cab driver supposedly drove around and shot five people and

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then killed himself, and they always thought another person was

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in the cab. So I have a little bit of

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a theory about that. We can come back to you

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later at the end. Yah.

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Yeah, So I get yeah, because uh, you know, I

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want to move us along. But there, you know, just

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back to Jada Pikett Smith and then you know two

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other people I want to briefly touch upon again. It's

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it's the the preparation that Michael Mann puts into his films.

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Even someone like Jada Pinkett Smith's character, who has a

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very limited amount of screen time, you know, she makes

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a really she has to make a really good impression

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for us because we were with her for five minutes

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and then the whole movie happens, and then she shows

467
00:28:16.119 --> 00:28:19.200
up in the last ten minutes. So we have to

468
00:28:19.359 --> 00:28:21.240
identify with her, we have to like her, we have

469
00:28:21.319 --> 00:28:24.960
to appreciate her. He has her meet a female attorney

470
00:28:25.720 --> 00:28:28.000
who's going to help her build the character and give

471
00:28:28.000 --> 00:28:29.720
her the confidence even the story, the story that she

472
00:28:29.880 --> 00:28:34.440
mentions where she's like, I get sick to my stomach

473
00:28:34.480 --> 00:28:36.599
and i feel like I'm going to fail. And I'm

474
00:28:36.640 --> 00:28:39.279
still excited about, you know, walking into the courtroom. But

475
00:28:40.119 --> 00:28:44.480
I've got all these this anxiety that's real stuff that

476
00:28:44.640 --> 00:28:48.359
this other attorney told her. This is how she copes

477
00:28:48.400 --> 00:28:52.319
with it. He also has her spend the day with

478
00:28:52.440 --> 00:28:57.960
an older couple. That man tells her what ideally have

479
00:28:58.119 --> 00:29:01.160
been her character's parents, just to find out what kind

480
00:29:01.160 --> 00:29:04.279
of how how Annie was raised and how what kind

481
00:29:04.279 --> 00:29:06.200
of woman she is and how you know, what kind

482
00:29:06.200 --> 00:29:08.559
of value she was taught. This is this is like

483
00:29:08.799 --> 00:29:12.400
next level prep. And I'll be honest, like, just to

484
00:29:12.480 --> 00:29:14.920
hear all the actors talk about this stuff. They're talking

485
00:29:14.920 --> 00:29:16.920
about with the biggest smiles on their faces, and they're

486
00:29:16.960 --> 00:29:19.799
excited to share these stories. And I don't think that

487
00:29:19.920 --> 00:29:23.680
happens enough on uh, in the in the filmmaking process nowadays.

488
00:29:23.960 --> 00:29:27.759
Well, to talk about background character information, there are some

489
00:29:27.920 --> 00:29:30.839
actors and the directors will give them the background and

490
00:29:30.920 --> 00:29:33.279
says this is the reason why your character does this

491
00:29:33.759 --> 00:29:35.519
and they say, you know what, I want to paycheck,

492
00:29:35.559 --> 00:29:39.920
I'll hit my mark whatever. But there's also more background

493
00:29:40.000 --> 00:29:44.680
with Tom Cruise. Michael Mann gave Tom Cruise Vincent's background.

494
00:29:44.720 --> 00:29:48.359
There's a there's a scene in the cab where Max

495
00:29:48.440 --> 00:29:51.440
and Vincent are talking about Vincent's father and he said, oh,

496
00:29:51.480 --> 00:29:55.119
I killed him, and then he said no, he wasn't around.

497
00:29:55.319 --> 00:29:58.000
He was an absentee father. He drank and he died

498
00:29:58.039 --> 00:30:00.559
of liver disease and I never really he knew him,

499
00:30:00.799 --> 00:30:07.279
which is incredibly close to actually Tom Cruise's background. He

500
00:30:08.279 --> 00:30:10.680
didn't really know his father. He moved around a lot.

501
00:30:10.799 --> 00:30:14.319
You know. Tom Cruise is sort of a Cincinnati, Ohio native,

502
00:30:15.480 --> 00:30:19.119
and he didn't know his father. There was a strange

503
00:30:19.200 --> 00:30:22.359
relationship there, and I wonder if maybe Michael Mann didn't

504
00:30:22.440 --> 00:30:26.440
build on that to give Tom Cruise something to channel

505
00:30:26.559 --> 00:30:29.519
while he was playing Vince. I think he was kidding

506
00:30:29.559 --> 00:30:31.839
when he told Match that he killed his father, but

507
00:30:32.000 --> 00:30:34.279
I actually believe him when he said he died of

508
00:30:34.359 --> 00:30:38.440
liver disease and he didn't care. But he's always looking

509
00:30:38.519 --> 00:30:39.720
for his dad's approval.

510
00:30:41.039 --> 00:30:45.400
You mentioned Mark Ruffalo as Detective Fanning. So Val Kilmer

511
00:30:45.960 --> 00:30:49.359
is cast in the role. You know, he worked with

512
00:30:49.440 --> 00:30:53.480
Man on Heat, but then he dropped out to work

513
00:30:53.519 --> 00:30:57.440
with Oliver Stone on Alexander, and this leaves the role

514
00:30:57.440 --> 00:31:01.160
open for Mark Ruffalo. So here's here's my here's my uh,

515
00:31:02.200 --> 00:31:06.559
here's my thought. First off, hot my hot take Ruffalo

516
00:31:07.839 --> 00:31:13.799
bit he'd bit of an overactor, hotter take not the

517
00:31:13.880 --> 00:31:17.240
best Bruce Banner Hulk and uh, you know, I but

518
00:31:17.359 --> 00:31:19.119
I'm gonna say this, you know, because I'm not down

519
00:31:19.160 --> 00:31:23.240
on Mark Ruffalo. This is my favorite Mark Ruffalo performance

520
00:31:23.279 --> 00:31:28.599
because he always plays like a dopey, you know, smart

521
00:31:28.680 --> 00:31:32.759
but not altogether guy. And this is a slick, mean

522
00:31:32.880 --> 00:31:35.200
looking Mark Ruffalo. He's got the hair slick back, he's

523
00:31:35.200 --> 00:31:38.319
in the leather jacket, he's got the ear ring. Yeah,

524
00:31:38.359 --> 00:31:42.480
he's he is the cool police detective. He's the cool cop.

525
00:31:42.839 --> 00:31:44.680
And you have to remember this is my a Michael

526
00:31:44.720 --> 00:31:48.599
Man movie, so every cop is gonna be super cool, right,

527
00:31:49.240 --> 00:31:54.119
I mean, Michael Mann cops have this. I would say

528
00:31:54.160 --> 00:31:59.119
that they're ambiguously good because obviously they're good guys. They're

529
00:31:59.200 --> 00:32:01.519
they're you know, they're on the side of the law.

530
00:32:01.559 --> 00:32:04.839
They're they're chasing down the bad guys, but they're also

531
00:32:05.519 --> 00:32:10.960
flawed individuals and they make questionable judge decisions. You know,

532
00:32:11.799 --> 00:32:14.559
they're not the nicest guys, but they're damn if they're

533
00:32:14.599 --> 00:32:16.359
not the cool like some of the coolest guys, Like

534
00:32:16.440 --> 00:32:20.160
you know, whether it's whether it's Mark Ruffalo and Pete

535
00:32:20.200 --> 00:32:24.000
Berg in this movie, or it's it's al Pacino uh

536
00:32:24.240 --> 00:32:28.000
and Heat with his crew, or or William Peterson and Manhunter.

537
00:32:28.160 --> 00:32:32.240
Like the cops are always super cool, Miami Vice obviously,

538
00:32:33.240 --> 00:32:35.359
Michael Man. You know, the cops are always really cool.

539
00:32:35.359 --> 00:32:41.000
They're always slick, and Mark Ruffalo is anything if not

540
00:32:41.279 --> 00:32:42.359
the slickest in this movie.

541
00:32:42.559 --> 00:32:46.119
He's the one that actually figures out the whole scheme.

542
00:32:46.240 --> 00:32:48.680
He's the one that realizes that Max is just a

543
00:32:48.799 --> 00:32:53.880
patsy and the FBI is involved, and it's a huge

544
00:32:55.680 --> 00:33:01.920
police investigation with pietersres Cortes and it's Fanning. It's it's

545
00:33:02.039 --> 00:33:06.720
Mark Ruffalo who figures out this poor Cabby is is

546
00:33:07.079 --> 00:33:07.720
gonna end.

547
00:33:07.680 --> 00:33:12.480
Up dead when when he when Ruffalo's character is in

548
00:33:12.559 --> 00:33:15.720
the morgue, he's looking at the bodies, Yeah, the you

549
00:33:15.799 --> 00:33:17.440
know the corners, like, hey, I think we got a

550
00:33:18.079 --> 00:33:20.480
same guy. Look this guy's double taps in their mouth

551
00:33:20.599 --> 00:33:22.359
is Sam Beek Mozambia.

552
00:33:22.480 --> 00:33:22.640
Yeah.

553
00:33:23.119 --> 00:33:27.079
I love when cops are kind of putting it all together.

554
00:33:28.039 --> 00:33:29.960
You know, they're having the epiphany and then they gotta

555
00:33:30.039 --> 00:33:32.319
they got a clue in the You're they're you're always

556
00:33:32.319 --> 00:33:34.480
gonna wake up your your partner. You know what time

557
00:33:34.519 --> 00:33:37.640
it is. It's you know, Mark Ruffalo. He's the cop

558
00:33:37.720 --> 00:33:40.200
that you know. He's he's Pacino and he he's never sleeping.

559
00:33:40.240 --> 00:33:41.759
It's it's three o'clock in the morning, and he's on

560
00:33:41.799 --> 00:33:44.039
the he's on the scene. And then he's got the

561
00:33:44.559 --> 00:33:49.240
partner who's always gonna be at home, family man, dragging him,

562
00:33:49.279 --> 00:33:51.160
dragging his ass out of bed. I love when cops

563
00:33:51.160 --> 00:33:55.000
are putting together Ruffalo. Like I said, I I might

564
00:33:55.079 --> 00:33:58.240
not love everything he does, but I think he's sensational

565
00:33:58.720 --> 00:33:59.359
in this film.

566
00:33:59.799 --> 00:34:03.880
I absolutely agree with you one hundred percent, Jeff. I

567
00:34:04.079 --> 00:34:11.119
think that he played that character who had been invested

568
00:34:11.360 --> 00:34:16.880
in these witnesses. He cultivated those people. They were his cis.

569
00:34:17.000 --> 00:34:19.519
He knew what was going on, and the minute one

570
00:34:19.639 --> 00:34:22.639
or two of them showed up dead, he knew exactly

571
00:34:22.760 --> 00:34:26.960
what was happening before anybody else did. And nobody would

572
00:34:27.079 --> 00:34:29.679
listen to him. He's the smart guy in the room

573
00:34:29.760 --> 00:34:31.039
that nobody else listened to.

574
00:34:32.079 --> 00:34:35.559
Yeah, one more character I want to briefly talk about.

575
00:34:36.559 --> 00:34:40.559
You name dropped the character already talking about an established

576
00:34:40.559 --> 00:34:44.760
actor who's got critical acclaim and an Oscar nomination for

577
00:34:44.840 --> 00:34:49.360
Best Actor for two thousands before Nightfalls, and yet he's

578
00:34:49.519 --> 00:34:55.000
virtually unknown in Hollywood at this time. JAVIERD. Bartam playing

579
00:34:55.079 --> 00:35:01.039
the crime lord Felix, making his Hollywood debut with the

580
00:35:01.280 --> 00:35:05.559
briefest of appearances in this film. He's the guy that

581
00:35:05.760 --> 00:35:09.119
hires Tom Cruise as Vincent. Yeah, and uh, you know,

582
00:35:09.440 --> 00:35:11.599
I just will I'm gonna put a pin in him

583
00:35:11.599 --> 00:35:13.760
because there his scene. I definitely want to talk about

584
00:35:13.800 --> 00:35:16.599
when we when we're talking about notable scenes here in

585
00:35:16.639 --> 00:35:19.920
a few minutes. But I gotta be honest, it's been

586
00:35:20.199 --> 00:35:24.199
been a while since I've seen this movie, and we've

587
00:35:24.280 --> 00:35:27.000
kind of been up on Harvey R. Bartam lately. You know,

588
00:35:27.119 --> 00:35:29.599
we we did our Patreon we did a ten for

589
00:35:29.679 --> 00:35:32.639
two on No Country for Old Men. You know, he's

590
00:35:32.719 --> 00:35:34.840
he's kind of having a moment lately. He's he's he's

591
00:35:34.880 --> 00:35:37.800
a well known established actor. Now Hollywood knows him and

592
00:35:37.920 --> 00:35:40.920
to see him as such a small role in a

593
00:35:41.000 --> 00:35:45.239
two thousand and four Michael Mann movie really surprised me.

594
00:35:45.880 --> 00:35:49.000
Well, there's a saying there are no small roles, only

595
00:35:49.199 --> 00:35:52.599
small actors, and he is not a small actor.

596
00:35:53.360 --> 00:35:53.760
I like that.

597
00:35:54.280 --> 00:35:54.679
I like that.

598
00:35:55.599 --> 00:36:01.000
So a little bit of background about Collateral. Screenwriter Stuart

599
00:36:01.039 --> 00:36:04.039
Beatty came up with the idea for the film after

600
00:36:04.119 --> 00:36:06.800
taking a taxi cab home from the airport.

601
00:36:06.960 --> 00:36:12.119
You know this, Eric, Yeah, in Sydney, Australia. He Stuart

602
00:36:12.119 --> 00:36:16.719
Beatty when taking a flight home in Australia. He was

603
00:36:16.760 --> 00:36:20.119
in the back of a taxi cab and he was

604
00:36:20.199 --> 00:36:24.000
coming home from the Sydney airport and he just had

605
00:36:24.119 --> 00:36:28.320
this random thought, Wow, I could be a maniac. I

606
00:36:28.440 --> 00:36:31.679
could be a serial killer. I could be a crazy

607
00:36:31.800 --> 00:36:35.079
person and the driver in front of me would never know.

608
00:36:35.639 --> 00:36:41.000
And so he started writing this film. But initially the

609
00:36:41.239 --> 00:36:45.639
pitch that he came up with wasn't called Collateral. I

610
00:36:45.800 --> 00:36:49.960
think he wanted to call it The Last Domino.

611
00:36:50.840 --> 00:36:53.920
Okay, yeah, two page treatment, right, yeah, And if we're

612
00:36:53.920 --> 00:36:55.159
going to go back to casting.

613
00:36:55.559 --> 00:36:59.239
When he originally came up with this idea, he wanted

614
00:37:01.199 --> 00:37:06.079
Russell Crowe to be Vincent and here's the big surprise.

615
00:37:07.079 --> 00:37:09.960
Adam Sandler to be Max.

616
00:37:11.119 --> 00:37:13.559
So he's got this two page treatment.

617
00:37:14.159 --> 00:37:14.360
Yeah.

618
00:37:14.360 --> 00:37:18.320
He gives it to producer Julie Richardson, who then shares

619
00:37:18.360 --> 00:37:21.840
it with Frank Drebant because she's basically shopping for movies

620
00:37:21.880 --> 00:37:25.079
for Frank Dearbat to direct. They love it. They set

621
00:37:25.159 --> 00:37:28.320
up a pitch meeting at HBO. HBO says no thanks,

622
00:37:29.000 --> 00:37:32.599
so it gets bought by DreamWorks, where it collects dust

623
00:37:32.639 --> 00:37:36.840
for three years. Now. You were talking about Russell Crowe

624
00:37:36.920 --> 00:37:40.239
and Adam Sandler. This is at a time when Mimi

625
00:37:40.360 --> 00:37:44.719
Letter is attached to direct it, and Russell Crowe is

626
00:37:44.840 --> 00:37:48.599
loving the script, but he's also loving the idea of

627
00:37:48.679 --> 00:37:51.880
his buddy Michael Mann directing it because they had worked

628
00:37:51.920 --> 00:37:54.920
up together on The Insider. So he brings Michael Mann

629
00:37:54.960 --> 00:37:58.679
on board. The production gets delayed several times. Russell Crowe says,

630
00:37:58.719 --> 00:38:00.119
all right, I'm out, Like you know, I can't I

631
00:38:00.199 --> 00:38:04.440
can't wait. He moves on. So Man has been wanting

632
00:38:04.480 --> 00:38:06.239
to work with Tom Cruise. He calls Tom Cruise in

633
00:38:07.199 --> 00:38:10.880
and while this is happening, Sandler drops out because he's

634
00:38:10.880 --> 00:38:15.320
got a scheduling conflict with the movie Spanglish. So Jamie

635
00:38:15.360 --> 00:38:18.199
Fox takes the role, who is a Michael Man favorite.

636
00:38:18.199 --> 00:38:19.840
He loves him from his in Living.

637
00:38:19.679 --> 00:38:23.320
Color days Ali, I think, right, yeah, and he worked.

638
00:38:23.400 --> 00:38:25.559
Yeah, he he like you know he he discovers him

639
00:38:25.599 --> 00:38:27.920
on in Living Color. He thinks he's a great, great actor,

640
00:38:28.039 --> 00:38:31.039
He's got great timing. He brings him in to Ali,

641
00:38:32.119 --> 00:38:34.280
but he's always in his his willhouse. He's always thinking

642
00:38:34.480 --> 00:38:36.039
how can I how can I work with Jamie again?

643
00:38:36.519 --> 00:38:39.360
And it's it's a better film for this. I'm not

644
00:38:39.400 --> 00:38:41.559
saying like Russell Crow would have been a great vincent,

645
00:38:42.440 --> 00:38:44.280
but this is the Tom Cruise role that we've been

646
00:38:44.280 --> 00:38:45.920
waiting for, So I'm kind of glad how it all

647
00:38:46.000 --> 00:38:51.079
worked out. Moving on the visuals in this movie, the

648
00:38:51.440 --> 00:38:54.199
look I mean this the city is a character and Eric,

649
00:38:54.199 --> 00:38:55.840
I don't know how much time you've spent in Los Angeles,

650
00:38:55.880 --> 00:38:59.519
but they really capture that that night life, that La

651
00:38:59.639 --> 00:39:01.400
night scene I have.

652
00:39:01.760 --> 00:39:06.480
I have been out in La a few times, mostly

653
00:39:06.679 --> 00:39:12.199
up North Van Nuys where ILM started, but yeah, I

654
00:39:12.519 --> 00:39:15.079
spent some time downtown. I've been to the Mayan Club

655
00:39:15.159 --> 00:39:17.679
where incidentally they filmed The Bodyguard.

656
00:39:18.079 --> 00:39:21.719
We talked about that with these plays yeah. Yeah. So

657
00:39:22.679 --> 00:39:25.920
the look of this film is thanks to the Viper

658
00:39:26.079 --> 00:39:31.119
film Stream high Definition camera, which Man elected to use.

659
00:39:31.920 --> 00:39:33.559
And it's the first time it's using a major motion

660
00:39:33.679 --> 00:39:39.320
picture digital Yep, it's a digital camera. And you know,

661
00:39:39.400 --> 00:39:41.599
we're used to it now. You know, it's been twenty

662
00:39:41.880 --> 00:39:46.199
plus years. We know that film grain look is gone, right,

663
00:39:46.920 --> 00:39:49.440
but this was the first movie to give us, you know,

664
00:39:49.480 --> 00:39:51.239
the kind of usher in this digital era.

665
00:39:52.239 --> 00:39:54.599
And one of the things that Michael Mann did when

666
00:39:54.639 --> 00:39:57.280
he was filming this, when he was scouting locations is

667
00:39:57.320 --> 00:39:59.599
he didn't want to use He didn't want to be cliched.

668
00:40:00.039 --> 00:40:02.000
He didn't want to go to a sunsets trip. He

669
00:40:02.079 --> 00:40:04.119
didn't want to go to Rodeo Drive, you know, he

670
00:40:04.239 --> 00:40:06.760
didn't want to do all those places. So he went

671
00:40:06.880 --> 00:40:10.920
to Korea Town. He went to those places that nobody

672
00:40:11.039 --> 00:40:15.280
ever films in Los Angeles. And when you listen to

673
00:40:15.360 --> 00:40:18.679
the dialogue when Max gets pulled over after he hits

674
00:40:18.679 --> 00:40:21.320
the deer, he's like, yeah, I was over on Slager.

675
00:40:21.760 --> 00:40:25.440
He's like, oh, a South central deer and yeah. You

676
00:40:25.599 --> 00:40:28.440
listen to all those references when he's telling Annie in

677
00:40:28.519 --> 00:40:30.840
the beginning, I'll I'll take the four to ten of

678
00:40:30.880 --> 00:40:34.039
the way. That's all real. I mean, he Michael mal he,

679
00:40:34.320 --> 00:40:39.679
Michael Mann researched that and every street name that he

680
00:40:39.840 --> 00:40:42.880
mentions in this film is legit that would match up

681
00:40:43.119 --> 00:40:45.360
to what's going on in the movie. That's that's his

682
00:40:45.599 --> 00:40:46.320
commitment to that.

683
00:40:46.800 --> 00:40:48.719
Yeah. Well, I mean, and you know, I've got friends

684
00:40:48.760 --> 00:40:51.000
that live in Los Angeles, and even talking with them,

685
00:40:51.000 --> 00:40:53.679
they're like, you know, they found themselves arguing like, well,

686
00:40:53.719 --> 00:40:56.159
hold on, hold on, she's right and he's right. That's

687
00:40:56.239 --> 00:40:58.360
that's the road to take. No, no, no, Max is right.

688
00:40:58.440 --> 00:41:01.960
That's they'll get you there fast. That It's a little

689
00:41:02.000 --> 00:41:06.679
details they mean so much for a film like this. Uh, Eric,

690
00:41:06.840 --> 00:41:09.320
let's talk. I want to I want to talk about

691
00:41:09.320 --> 00:41:11.559
a couple of scenes. I'm gonna ask you what you

692
00:41:11.639 --> 00:41:16.159
feel is the the uh, the pivotal moment, if you will.

693
00:41:16.920 --> 00:41:23.480
So first off, let's talk our first look at at

694
00:41:23.599 --> 00:41:26.440
understanding that you know what, Vincent might be the bad guy,

695
00:41:26.519 --> 00:41:30.840
but we're on his side. He wins us over with uh.

696
00:41:31.119 --> 00:41:33.559
I'm talking about the scene where Vincent defends Max against

697
00:41:33.599 --> 00:41:37.400
Max's boss, the uh stick this yellow cab with your

698
00:41:37.400 --> 00:41:41.679
fat ass moment, so you know, they get pulled over

699
00:41:41.760 --> 00:41:43.920
by the police. The police report it, then they get

700
00:41:43.960 --> 00:41:46.199
called over to you know, something a little more pressing.

701
00:41:47.039 --> 00:41:50.199
They report it to the the cab company. His boss

702
00:41:51.039 --> 00:41:54.920
is lighting him up on the radio. You're big, you're

703
00:41:54.960 --> 00:41:57.320
gonna pay for this, You're I'm I'm docking your paycheck,

704
00:41:57.360 --> 00:42:00.159
I'm doing this, and he's just oh, you know, and

705
00:42:00.239 --> 00:42:03.400
it's vincent that that just takes command of the situation.

706
00:42:03.559 --> 00:42:07.159
He grabs the radio and threatens the boss and he's like,

707
00:42:07.199 --> 00:42:09.199
who is this and he you know, he rattles off

708
00:42:09.280 --> 00:42:11.280
like you know, he's the district attorney, blah blah blah.

709
00:42:11.320 --> 00:42:12.679
He's going to have him for this, He's gonna have

710
00:42:12.719 --> 00:42:14.079
him for that. Then I was like, who wha, whoa,

711
00:42:14.079 --> 00:42:15.639
whoa wa what Let's let's take it easy. Let's take

712
00:42:15.639 --> 00:42:18.480
it easy. We don't need to do this. And then

713
00:42:18.519 --> 00:42:20.760
he he empowers Max to stand up to his boss.

714
00:42:21.079 --> 00:42:22.840
You know, he's and like he's like, they're off, Mike.

715
00:42:22.880 --> 00:42:25.079
He's like, tell him, tell him he can stick this.

716
00:42:25.280 --> 00:42:27.079
This yellow cap up was fat ass. If you if

717
00:42:27.119 --> 00:42:29.039
he ever tries this shit again with you, oh yeah,

718
00:42:29.039 --> 00:42:31.400
And you know, he's coaching Max on how to stand

719
00:42:31.480 --> 00:42:35.039
up for himself. And I immediately am a fan of

720
00:42:35.079 --> 00:42:36.320
Vincent in this moment. How about you?

721
00:42:37.039 --> 00:42:42.159
I didn't like that. Everybody, no matter what job you have,

722
00:42:42.960 --> 00:42:48.559
everybody has always had that little fantasy about telling their

723
00:42:48.679 --> 00:42:52.840
boss what to do with their job. And it was

724
00:42:53.559 --> 00:42:57.639
so gratifying, even though it was under duress, where he said,

725
00:42:57.840 --> 00:43:00.360
and now tell him the next time you pool that

726
00:43:00.519 --> 00:43:03.239
you can shove that yellow cab up his fat ass.

727
00:43:03.360 --> 00:43:06.320
It was it was brilliant. I that was one of

728
00:43:06.400 --> 00:43:10.440
my favorite scenes. I have one other one and it's

729
00:43:10.639 --> 00:43:15.800
my favorite scene that maybe makes me out to be

730
00:43:15.840 --> 00:43:17.079
a little of a sociopath.

731
00:43:17.199 --> 00:43:20.320
But okay, well let's see. Let's see we might we

732
00:43:20.400 --> 00:43:21.840
might get it here. If I don't get it, I

733
00:43:21.880 --> 00:43:24.840
want you to bring it up. But moving on. Here's

734
00:43:25.000 --> 00:43:28.760
here's another pro Vincent moment. But it's the first time

735
00:43:29.840 --> 00:43:33.599
I'm turning on Max and I'm gonna call this the

736
00:43:33.679 --> 00:43:36.519
flower scene. He has no choice, he's got to go

737
00:43:36.559 --> 00:43:40.159
to the hospital visit his mom. Max, that is Tom

738
00:43:40.239 --> 00:43:43.679
Cruise ain't going nowhere. So they're walking in. Tom Vincent

739
00:43:43.719 --> 00:43:47.639
stops at the gift shop says, you know, flowers, and

740
00:43:47.800 --> 00:43:50.079
Max is like, she don't care about that. It's a

741
00:43:50.119 --> 00:43:53.199
waste of money, and he has this moment where he's like, hey,

742
00:43:54.159 --> 00:43:56.239
she she carried you in the womb for nine months

743
00:43:56.960 --> 00:44:00.559
by the flowers, you know, and even you know, and

744
00:44:01.199 --> 00:44:03.199
granted Max was right because she they get up there

745
00:44:03.199 --> 00:44:04.159
and she's like, what am I supposed to do with

746
00:44:04.199 --> 00:44:06.880
these flowers? He's like, I told you see, and he

747
00:44:07.280 --> 00:44:09.000
bought them. But then she has it, she's singing a

748
00:44:09.000 --> 00:44:13.679
different tune. But the fact that Vincent cares enough to

749
00:44:15.239 --> 00:44:18.840
coach Max on the on the importance of showing his

750
00:44:19.000 --> 00:44:22.880
mother respect, showing his mother love and making a small

751
00:44:22.960 --> 00:44:27.199
gesture like that again, I'm I'm all for I'm all

752
00:44:27.280 --> 00:44:32.039
for Vincent here, and then I'm even less for for

753
00:44:32.519 --> 00:44:36.880
for Max because he's he's not all okay, So he's

754
00:44:36.920 --> 00:44:40.000
been lying to his mom, and then he takes this

755
00:44:40.199 --> 00:44:45.159
opportunity to run out with Vincent's briefcase and make it

756
00:44:45.280 --> 00:44:48.599
make a mad dash for it to escape, and I'm thinking, dude,

757
00:44:48.599 --> 00:44:53.960
you just left a homicidal killer in the hospital room

758
00:44:54.000 --> 00:44:58.400
with your mom. Dude, that's that is cowardly and that

759
00:44:58.559 --> 00:45:01.400
is stupid. I don't I don't. I don't understand, like

760
00:45:01.480 --> 00:45:04.880
what his attention was. I just don't, Well, the.

761
00:45:04.920 --> 00:45:08.039
Whole relationship that you just brought up when when Max's

762
00:45:08.119 --> 00:45:10.920
mother says, oh, why did you waste money on these?

763
00:45:11.000 --> 00:45:13.719
You know they're just gonna die? And then Max says

764
00:45:13.880 --> 00:45:15.880
he bought him, and Vinces said, yeah, I bought him,

765
00:45:15.920 --> 00:45:19.320
and she's like, oh, they're beautiful. I mean, Max says

766
00:45:19.480 --> 00:45:23.679
so much about Max's personality, about why Max is the

767
00:45:23.760 --> 00:45:27.519
way he is, and I can't speak to whether or

768
00:45:27.559 --> 00:45:31.639
not Max had deep feelings for his mother, but maybe

769
00:45:31.679 --> 00:45:35.199
he thought that was his chance to get away and

770
00:45:35.360 --> 00:45:39.719
to free himself with a situation which interestingly comes back

771
00:45:39.880 --> 00:45:42.119
later on when they're in the parking lot of the

772
00:45:42.280 --> 00:45:44.800
club Fever and he said, or no, they're in the

773
00:45:45.320 --> 00:45:51.320
parking lot of the club where Felix Reyes is in

774
00:45:51.679 --> 00:45:54.119
and he says, you've got ten minutes at ten oh one,

775
00:45:54.280 --> 00:45:56.280
I'm going to the hospital and I'm going to execute

776
00:45:56.320 --> 00:45:59.760
your mother. I think that was another pivot for Max.

777
00:46:00.559 --> 00:46:03.360
The uh, the real, the real moment for Max where

778
00:46:03.480 --> 00:46:07.599
I'm back on his side is meeting Felix. You know,

779
00:46:07.719 --> 00:46:11.719
Javey R. Bardam's character, and he's got to find he

780
00:46:11.960 --> 00:46:13.159
finds his inner strength, right.

781
00:46:13.519 --> 00:46:13.639
You know.

782
00:46:13.760 --> 00:46:16.000
Vincent basically tells me like I'm not blowing my cover.

783
00:46:16.079 --> 00:46:18.159
You're going in, You're gonna pretend to be me. You're

784
00:46:18.199 --> 00:46:21.639
gonna get these other two names. But Harvey arbardiam with

785
00:46:21.880 --> 00:46:24.719
just a few minutes telling the Pedro story, the Santa

786
00:46:24.760 --> 00:46:26.000
Claus Pedro story.

787
00:46:26.360 --> 00:46:30.800
How do you think chilling? How do you think Santa

788
00:46:30.880 --> 00:46:35.360
Claus would feel if you come to him and say

789
00:46:35.639 --> 00:46:36.840
I lost my list?

790
00:46:37.159 --> 00:46:38.440
How pissed you think?

791
00:46:38.519 --> 00:46:38.639
Oh?

792
00:46:38.760 --> 00:46:40.599
That was beautiful beauty.

793
00:46:40.400 --> 00:46:43.599
In Max boom and he just looks around the room

794
00:46:43.639 --> 00:46:47.159
and says, what do I think? I think that guy

795
00:46:47.280 --> 00:46:49.400
behind me better put his gun away before I take

796
00:46:49.480 --> 00:46:51.480
it away from him and beat his bitch ass to

797
00:46:51.599 --> 00:46:52.079
death with it.

798
00:46:52.360 --> 00:46:55.079
Yeah, it's a it's a It's a great moment for

799
00:46:55.199 --> 00:46:59.199
Max to to find some strength, to find, you know,

800
00:46:59.280 --> 00:47:01.960
to to kind of up for the situation, to Michael

801
00:47:02.000 --> 00:47:05.719
man up if you will, absolutely love that moment. And

802
00:47:06.480 --> 00:47:10.480
again I've said that I've used this phrase more times

803
00:47:10.480 --> 00:47:14.840
than I care to remember. But javyerbardam doing a whole

804
00:47:14.960 --> 00:47:19.039
lot with a very little bit of time. Yeh, that's awesome.

805
00:47:19.679 --> 00:47:19.840
Eric.

806
00:47:19.920 --> 00:47:22.320
I've got one other scene I want to talk about

807
00:47:22.360 --> 00:47:24.199
before we take a break. It's what I feel is

808
00:47:24.239 --> 00:47:30.760
the pivotal moment. It's the nighttime in La Montage. And

809
00:47:30.840 --> 00:47:34.920
here's why we are riding along with the cops. We

810
00:47:35.079 --> 00:47:38.559
are riding along with Vincent and Max. We get shots

811
00:47:38.599 --> 00:47:42.119
of palm trees, we get the La nightlife, we get

812
00:47:42.199 --> 00:47:47.400
the helicopters flying over all this while Chris Cornell with

813
00:47:47.559 --> 00:47:51.079
audio slave is belting out shadows on the sun. You

814
00:47:51.360 --> 00:47:54.760
feel like you're in the middle of a Miami Vice episode.

815
00:47:55.679 --> 00:47:59.119
It is Michael Man in his purest form, and it

816
00:47:59.360 --> 00:48:01.480
may not be doing a whole lot for the movie

817
00:48:01.559 --> 00:48:04.559
itself or the story, but it's doing everything to tell

818
00:48:04.599 --> 00:48:07.280
you you're in Michael Man's world, and that for me

819
00:48:07.519 --> 00:48:09.880
makes it the pivotal moment. A montage of all.

820
00:48:09.800 --> 00:48:11.920
Things get out of my head?

821
00:48:14.000 --> 00:48:15.599
Are you with the montage? No?

822
00:48:16.000 --> 00:48:21.000
No, it wasn't so much the montage. It was I

823
00:48:21.079 --> 00:48:24.440
could I could kind of feel what Max was thinking,

824
00:48:24.719 --> 00:48:28.800
that he's involved in this huge thing now. And you're right.

825
00:48:28.960 --> 00:48:35.000
We've got this gritty La nighttime digital scenery with the

826
00:48:35.079 --> 00:48:38.159
palm trees, and then we're going past Lax with the

827
00:48:38.280 --> 00:48:43.760
planes coming in. We've got the coyote that wanders out

828
00:48:43.760 --> 00:48:46.679
in front of a car, and we haven't even touched

829
00:48:46.840 --> 00:48:50.760
on the soundtrack. Yet we're talking oakenfold audio sleeve. I

830
00:48:50.800 --> 00:48:52.320
mean it's a brilliant soundtrack.

831
00:48:52.400 --> 00:48:55.000
Gruvamara has a great hands of time, great.

832
00:48:56.800 --> 00:48:59.400
But I actually do agree with you here. I have

833
00:48:59.559 --> 00:49:02.719
one of but I agree with you here. This is

834
00:49:02.760 --> 00:49:07.960
where Max realizes the scope of what he's involved in

835
00:49:08.480 --> 00:49:13.679
because they just escaped from Fever Club and they've got

836
00:49:13.840 --> 00:49:16.159
one more job to do, and Max at this point

837
00:49:16.280 --> 00:49:20.960
is like, this is the end all and be all.

838
00:49:21.239 --> 00:49:23.920
And this is I think where Max, while he's driving

839
00:49:24.039 --> 00:49:28.559
through that montage, he's going through his brain and he's thinking, Man,

840
00:49:28.679 --> 00:49:31.400
it's fight or flight. I gotta do something or I'm

841
00:49:31.400 --> 00:49:34.400
gonna die. And I think you're right. I agree with

842
00:49:34.519 --> 00:49:38.199
you about that. That is the pivotal part where Max

843
00:49:39.119 --> 00:49:42.159
gets to push. But I think there's one more little

844
00:49:42.239 --> 00:49:49.639
piece of that that finally gives him that confidence to

845
00:49:49.880 --> 00:49:53.199
go and do what he has to do. The montage

846
00:49:53.639 --> 00:49:56.320
is leading him up to it, but there's one little

847
00:49:56.440 --> 00:49:58.800
piece of that that puts him over the edge.

848
00:50:00.280 --> 00:50:01.320
Tell me what what? What scene?

849
00:50:01.360 --> 00:50:05.000
You got? Two scenes? Number one when they zip when

850
00:50:05.079 --> 00:50:07.719
when Vincent Zip ties his hand to the steering wheel

851
00:50:08.039 --> 00:50:10.480
and the local thugs come up and they rob him,

852
00:50:11.360 --> 00:50:17.239
and Vincent doesn't make any short time about just completely

853
00:50:18.079 --> 00:50:21.840
taking those two guys out without without batting an eye.

854
00:50:22.360 --> 00:50:24.960
And I think that, well, that's the first time that

855
00:50:25.480 --> 00:50:29.840
that Max ever saw Vincent in action. He's he had

856
00:50:29.920 --> 00:50:31.880
never seen him do his job before.

857
00:50:32.199 --> 00:50:35.119
That was two best time, what like, he puts two

858
00:50:35.159 --> 00:50:38.239
guys down in less than seconds?

859
00:50:38.280 --> 00:50:41.159
Yeah, yeah, one point three yeah, crazy, And that that

860
00:50:41.360 --> 00:50:44.880
was from the Sas training. But anyway, that's when Max

861
00:50:44.960 --> 00:50:48.239
really that's when Max first sees what Vincent is capable of.

862
00:50:48.519 --> 00:50:51.000
And then we get to the jazz club and we

863
00:50:51.159 --> 00:50:54.719
get to other places, but that montage, you were absolutely right,

864
00:50:54.880 --> 00:50:58.480
that's where Max is thinking in his head, I gotta

865
00:50:58.519 --> 00:51:00.960
do something or I'm gonna die. There's no way he's

866
00:51:01.039 --> 00:51:05.119
gonna let me live through this, and after everything I've

867
00:51:05.159 --> 00:51:08.360
been through and and now all of this, the shootout,

868
00:51:08.400 --> 00:51:11.079
the cops, the helicopters, You're right. I think that was

869
00:51:11.159 --> 00:51:14.280
the pivotal scene. But the one last piece of the

870
00:51:14.360 --> 00:51:17.760
puzzle was after they crashed the cab, after Max says,

871
00:51:17.800 --> 00:51:21.039
you know what you're full of? You know, we're all

872
00:51:21.119 --> 00:51:23.760
out here on this rock, just floating around in space,

873
00:51:23.840 --> 00:51:27.760
and we don't matter. Nothing matters, and he just decides

874
00:51:27.840 --> 00:51:31.079
to crash the cab. And then as he gets out

875
00:51:31.119 --> 00:51:34.760
of the cab, he sees Vincent's last target and it's Annie.

876
00:51:35.320 --> 00:51:39.320
Mm hmm, and the dude dates down a cop. Yeah. Well,

877
00:51:39.400 --> 00:51:42.280
he's in. He's in. He's in fight or flight mode.

878
00:51:42.320 --> 00:51:44.119
He's gotta he's got to react. He's got to take

879
00:51:44.159 --> 00:51:46.320
care of he's gotta take care of Annie. Now he's

880
00:51:46.480 --> 00:51:49.320
he has to slay the dragon. He has to face

881
00:51:49.599 --> 00:51:51.440
Tom Cruise. He knows, he knows it. At this point,

882
00:51:52.840 --> 00:51:55.280
we're gonna take one more break and we'll come back.

883
00:51:55.280 --> 00:51:58.239
We'll start wrapping things up. We'll find out what Eric's

884
00:51:58.360 --> 00:52:06.519
suggestions are for more Michael Mann when we come back. Okay,

885
00:52:06.679 --> 00:52:12.440
So if someone watches Collateral, they love it, and they

886
00:52:12.559 --> 00:52:16.280
come to you, Eric and they say, hey, this guy,

887
00:52:16.360 --> 00:52:21.559
Michael Mann, I really love Collateral. What else can you recommend?

888
00:52:22.400 --> 00:52:25.079
What should I be watching? I want to know what

889
00:52:25.519 --> 00:52:31.199
three films would you suggest they watch to better understand

890
00:52:31.239 --> 00:52:31.719
Michael Mann?

891
00:52:32.559 --> 00:52:36.360
Oh Man, that that that's hard. I would I think

892
00:52:36.400 --> 00:52:39.400
I would have to say Ferrari.

893
00:52:39.920 --> 00:52:42.719
For okay, one of his one of his one of

894
00:52:42.800 --> 00:52:43.480
his most recent.

895
00:52:44.000 --> 00:52:48.000
Yeah, one of the most recent Heat. Definitely Heat.

896
00:52:48.760 --> 00:52:50.519
Heat's got to be in the conversation.

897
00:52:50.679 --> 00:52:54.119
Because there's a lot of heat in this movie. I

898
00:52:54.199 --> 00:52:58.039
don't have a third. I'm falling short. I don't have

899
00:52:58.119 --> 00:52:58.440
a third.

900
00:52:58.599 --> 00:53:03.519
No third, He's really like, no, nothing comes to Mindy.

901
00:53:03.360 --> 00:53:05.719
Maybe I could throw in Last to the Mohicans. But

902
00:53:06.800 --> 00:53:09.119
I watched it once. I thought it was a good film.

903
00:53:09.320 --> 00:53:11.599
But all right, well, I'm gonna help you out here.

904
00:53:11.880 --> 00:53:14.039
You're you're staring at me like I'm high.

905
00:53:15.880 --> 00:53:18.599
Well that's because Michael Mann's an incredible director. He's got

906
00:53:18.679 --> 00:53:23.679
so much from all right, so I'm with you. Nineteen

907
00:53:23.719 --> 00:53:26.639
ninety five's Heat, yep, has got to be a recommendation.

908
00:53:26.760 --> 00:53:30.719
Apaccino, Robert de Niro, chef.

909
00:53:30.800 --> 00:53:33.679
Yeah, Yes, nineteen ninety two is the Last of the Mohicans.

910
00:53:34.559 --> 00:53:36.599
Absolutely would be something I recommend.

911
00:53:36.800 --> 00:53:36.920
Uh.

912
00:53:38.039 --> 00:53:41.800
It's based off of James Finnimore Cooper's The Deer Deer

913
00:53:41.880 --> 00:53:46.280
Slayer Nathaniel Bumpo. It's great, it's a great story, it's

914
00:53:46.320 --> 00:53:52.559
a great movie. Daniel d. Lewis is just spectacular. Uh,

915
00:53:52.760 --> 00:53:55.639
that's the only word that comes to mind. Uh. Everything

916
00:53:55.679 --> 00:53:58.000
about the Last of the Mohicans is beautiful. As far

917
00:53:58.039 --> 00:54:01.079
as I'm concerned and I'm with though one more movie.

918
00:54:01.199 --> 00:54:04.159
We covered it actually on our limited series nineteeny six

919
00:54:04.920 --> 00:54:08.119
Gotta Go with Man Hunter. We kind of mentioned at

920
00:54:08.119 --> 00:54:11.159
the top of the hour William Peterson. This is actually

921
00:54:11.239 --> 00:54:14.679
the first. It's based off a Red Dragon from Thomas Harris.

922
00:54:15.639 --> 00:54:18.440
The first Hannibal Lecter appearance we ever see on screen

923
00:54:19.639 --> 00:54:23.360
wasn't played by Anthony Hopkins, played by Brian Cox. Man

924
00:54:23.480 --> 00:54:27.960
Hunter is slick noir at its best, at its finest,

925
00:54:28.039 --> 00:54:32.280
you know, just you know, oozing eighties appeal to. Those

926
00:54:32.320 --> 00:54:34.559
are the three I would recommend, Eric, but I'm gonna

927
00:54:35.320 --> 00:54:39.039
I'm gonna give you one more option here. Okay, I

928
00:54:39.199 --> 00:54:43.239
call this the Palm Tree Trilogy, and what it is

929
00:54:44.239 --> 00:54:48.800
it's Heat, Collateral and Miami Vice. And I'm talking about

930
00:54:48.800 --> 00:54:52.480
Miami Vice, the movie Jimmy Fox as opposed to the

931
00:54:53.320 --> 00:54:57.480
although hey, you can't go wrong watching the television.

932
00:54:57.039 --> 00:54:59.639
Series, which he did right as a follow up to

933
00:54:59.719 --> 00:55:01.039
t he did.

934
00:55:01.320 --> 00:55:04.480
He did, so I'm talking you're from from one coast

935
00:55:04.519 --> 00:55:08.599
to the next. It's it's palm trees, it's guns, it's

936
00:55:08.679 --> 00:55:13.840
no r it's incredible visuals, it's incredible music. I'm coining

937
00:55:13.880 --> 00:55:17.000
the phrase Palm Tree Trilogy. Michael Mann's Palm Tree Trilogy.

938
00:55:17.199 --> 00:55:21.320
You heard it here first he Collateral and mimy vice. Eric,

939
00:55:22.599 --> 00:55:24.719
I'm gonna tell you, I recommend owning this. I've got

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the two disc DVD. It still holds up, looks great.

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Until they do a four K release, I'll stick with it.

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But do you recommend people seeing this?

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Absolutely? I own it, And as you know, Dayton Johnson

944
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always says physical media is better than streaming. I have

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a blue I think I have the Blu Ray version

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of this on DVD. Yes, oh, absolutely, all right.

947
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Lots of fun extras on the disc. But for those

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of you that like to stream, it is currently streaming

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on Paramount Plus right now.

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Yep.

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So, So listeners, what do you think of Michael Mann's Collateral?

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Have you seen it? Is it one of your favorite

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Tom Cruise performances?

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Who is?

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Who's your favorite movie?

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Hit Man?

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You know?

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Is it?

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Is it? Vincent? Like Eric Dirth believes, you can let

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us know on social media. You'll find us on Facebook, Instagram,

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There some games, there's some there's some articles, definitely some

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may just read your response on the show and send

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you some of a film by swag.

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Eric.

971
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I've had a blast talking talking Los Angeles and Hits

972
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and Tom cruise with you. Our listeners can find you

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over on the docum base seventy seven podcasts from time

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to time. You got a thing coming up soon, anything

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we should be on the lookout for.

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I think we do. I think we have record Ralph.

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All right, well, I want to thank you again for

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stopping by and talking collateral, and to all of you

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listening to the show, following us on social media and

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