May 18, 2025

Mike Binder - Indian Summer

Mike Binder - Indian Summer
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Season 6 A Film By...
Bill Paxton Month continues here on the A Film By... Podcast! Earlier in the month, we discussed the films directed by Bill Paxton, and this week, we look at a film starring Bill Paxton. Jeff, David, and Amber head back to camp to share their own camp experiences while celebrating Mike Binder's 1993 romantic camp comedy, Indian Summer, starring an ensemble cast lead by Bill Paxton!

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David, I'm curious. You get one answer here, it's your favorite,

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your favorite Bill Paxton performance.

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I've got a there's quite a few of them, but

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I gotta go with the easy answer. I got it

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with Private Hudson, I have.

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There's no wrong answer here there honestly, as we've been

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doing this all month long. Yeah, I know we heard.

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We already heard from Amber, we heard from Dayton Johnson

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from the docum based seventy seven podcast. There are no

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wrong answers. And you know we've we've discussed a film

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by Bill Paxton for the past two weeks, you know,

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covering the films he directed. This week, let's talk about

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a film starring Bill Paxton, Mike Binder's nineteen ninety three

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comedic camp drama Indian Summer. Hello. I'm Jeff Johnson, I'm David.

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Burns, and I'm Amber Lewis.

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And this is a film by podcast Uh, Dave. I

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thought we were gonna be alone, but uh, wandering over

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from the girls Cabin, Amber Lewis and what the reason

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is here? I'm excited for this, guys. I'm you know,

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it's been a while since the three of us, uh,

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and we're together on the so yeah, we were roaming.

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Around in England the last time. I believe.

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Yes, go back to young Sherlock Holmes, go back and

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check that episode out. Yep, Amber, Uh, I gotta shout

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you out uh again. Excellent job. Recently we did we

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did our first episode on Patreon, a little little fun

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series We're calling staff Picks and Uh, a little little

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video to you know, we got to know Amber Lewis

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a little bit better. You had five recommendations, five good recommendations,

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by the way, So listeners, if you have not checked

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that out, that is actually a free episode on our Patreon.

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All you need is a an email address to sign

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up and then you can you can check this out.

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So she's not alone though, Dave, you and Scott a

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little bit of a revival series happening. What's What's what

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are you guys up to? On Patreon?

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A film at fifty I'd led the first season. Second

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season we celebrated movies that were the forty fifth anniversary

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from seventy eight and seventy nine, so we decided to

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go back to those celebrating fifty years. So that's movies

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from nineteen seventy five and.

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Let's see you you're you guys decided there's only.

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Ten right, there's the nighty ten. We're keeping it short

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this time.

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Yeah, you did what you did? You did? Okay, so

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you did? You did? Escape from which mountain?

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We did? And the Holy Monty Python and the Holy Grail,

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Holy Grail. Mm hmm. That's it. We've got our next

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one's coming up soon at the end of the month, right, yep.

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It's usually with the last Saturday of the month that

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we release it. And we're not announcing what movies we're doing.

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We want everybody to be surprised on what we want.

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I want to know now, though, I'm sorry, you're not

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gonna find out.

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So you get it. You're gonna do Jaws, right, you

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gotta do. I don't know, are we maybe Rocky Horror

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Picture Show?

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Maybe? Who knows? All right? The good films in seventy five,

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we'll see.

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I'm I'm looking forward to it. I really am good deal.

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Let's talk but a few facts and a quote from

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one Bill Paxton and the third third episode this month,

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so I'm running out of Bill Paxton trivia.

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We're gonna do quite well in the listener.

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Oh yeah, I could. I'm ready to write a book

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about Bills Bill. His friends and co stars nicknamed him

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Wild Bill due to his over the top sense of

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humor and his love for elaborate pranks, which, knowing that,

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makes me feel like he was He's absolutely right for

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a movie like Indian Summer. Would you agree?

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Oh? Yeah?

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Well, Paxton was no stranger to music videos, as we

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have discussed in our last two episodes. Keeping his music

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video appearances going, Limp Biscuit fans will remember that he

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played the sheriff in their two thousand and three music

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video Eat You Alive, which also starred Thora Birch and

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just happens to be one of my favorite Limp Biscuit songs.

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The look on Amber's face tells me she is not

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a fan of lip Biscuit.

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I probably could not pick this song out of a lineup,

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so I'm gonna have to look it up and give

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it a chance. I could not name one Limp Biscuit

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song I don't.

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Okay, Well, I'm gonna I'm gonna just preface this by

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before you go looking it up. I'm gonna give you

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a heads up here. I I will tell you that

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this might be one of their more offensive. Uh songs

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as far as the lyrics go and the video. You

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I don't know how, I don't know if you'll you'll

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care for this much Amber, but I would definitely look

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forward to hearing your your thoughts on it.

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I have a feeling I'll be texting you in all

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caps later.

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Yeah, it's coming, it's coming. Yeah. Thora Birch stars in

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the video and uh and Bill Paxton playing the sheriff.

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So very cool. Can we talk for a second though

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about the Bill Paxton rolls? We almost had? Sure, There's

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a lot of them, but I'm just gonna focus on

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a few. They would include the lead role of Robert

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Langdon in the Da Vinci Code. He actually turned this

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down for you remember that Showtime series he did called

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Big Love. Yes, he turns down Da Vinci Code, which

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means Tom Hanks gets it and in turn, Tom Hanks

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ends up executive producing Big Love. How's that for? Yeah?

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That was that appropriate choice?

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Yeah, I agree, Doctor Ian Malcolm in Jurassic Park, he

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was up for this.

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Ooh that might have been fun, right.

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It's hard not to see Jeff Goldbloom it was, you know,

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but it's again it's a win win because Goldbloom gets

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Jurassic Park in ninety three, so Paxton does Indian Summer,

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so I'm happy about that. The lead in Dark Man,

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so he he auditions for this. He's feeling pretty good

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about it, calls up his his close friend Liam Neeson

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to tell him about the audition. Neson goes after it

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gets it. This kind of pisses Bill Paxton off and

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they don't talk for months.

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So that's kind of harsh.

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But it's kind of harsh. That's low man.

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Wow, come on, come on, Nisan do better.

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But we just talked about it over on Docking Bay

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and that movie.

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Slaps, so it does.

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I can't say that it didn't turn out the way

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it was supposed to.

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Yeah. Lastly, following Weird Science, John Hughes asks him to

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play the garage attendant in Ferris Peeler's Day Off. Paxton

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tells him no because he thinks the role is too small,

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and he later admitted regretting that decision because it was

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the last time John Hughes ever offered him a role. Mhm,

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he's right, though, I mean, the the garage attendant that

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steals the car. It's a funny role, but it's it's it's.

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Yeah, but he still wasn't like really anybody.

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That no, Yeah, yeah, I mean he wasn't big, but

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and it's a very members of body, right, I mean,

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but it's a very.

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Memorable scene too from Ferris Bueler. Even if he was

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in it, you would know he was in it.

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And I told you I couldn't watch him forever because

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because of weird science.

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So describe my abusive brother. But you're like, hey, car thief,

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that that's Joy's funny.

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I would like.

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Speaking about romantic roles, Paxton had this to say, my

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biggest disappointment is not getting to do the romantic roles

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I always dreamed of. But I've had a pretty good

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career and you know what, we're christ for the mill

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out here, and if I quit doing this, there's ten

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guys ready to take my place. Amber question for you

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because I'm thinking about Bill Paxton and given that quote,

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there isn't a lot of Bill Paxton romantic roles out there,

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and you could even argue maybe Indian Summer is one

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of the few. What why is that is he? You know?

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I think because he's always like a very big character. Yeah,

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and the male lead in a rom com is usually

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an everyman.

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Okay, so you.

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Can project onto him and he doesn't fit, you know,

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in that box. So what you do is you end

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up falling in love with this huge character that he's created,

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like in Twister. You know, he's adorable. You want them

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to do together. That is a rom com with you know, tornadoes.

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The summer tornadoes, Okay.

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Going through like marriage count slaying on that hell and

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everything like and brow.

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I'm gonna get off topic here, but if you're running

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away with with one Bill Paxton, are you running away

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with with the Extreme? From from Twister? Simon?

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I don't know. I love Silence.

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Yeah, he's a asshole.

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Yeah, he's like nothing without his lies. So yeah, I

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would definitely choose Bill the Extreme.

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Okay, you don't want to have like a you don't

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have like a you know, hit a foreign world with Hudson.

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Maybe have a good time with Hudson.

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Okay, No, he's a pain in the ass. Back Like,

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pull yourself together, dude.

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Oh man, Dave, we are talking about Indian Summer, a

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beloved film. I gotta believe that a lot of people

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though maybe don't remember this one. Maybe you haven't seen it.

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For those that need a refresher, Could you give us

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a quick synopsis about Indian summer?

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Come on, Jeff, you're not actually going to make us

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take a swimming test, are you?

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You know the rules?

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Camp Tomaca with a wonderful place for kids to go

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to summer camp, a place to enjoy the wilderness, the

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lake and make some amazing friends. That is exactly how

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it was for this group, who now find themselves returning

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to the camp as adults for a well deserved union.

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For we Kendo. Our old friendships evoke wonderful memories that

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bring a flood of emotions back. But also see Uncle Lou,

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the man who has ran the camp for forty three years.

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Their lives were changed when they were kids visiting the camp.

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In just like the past, they will find themselves as

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adults experiencing that feeling all over again.

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This movie has been described by critics as Saint Elmo's

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Fire meets meat Balls Amber. How close to the mark

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is that? Is that pretty on the money?

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I mean, yeah, that's it's not bad. It's a pretty

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good comparison. I did anybody else like me? As an

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old old lady, I had to watch this three times

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because the first time and a half that I watched it.

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I just was watching them, going, your babies, What do

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you have to be existential about? You have like no problems,

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Like you aren't old enough to have have like a

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midlife crisis. What is going on?

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Well there was They're like in their late thirties right

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in this movie, and then like the twentieth anniversary of

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their time at camp.

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I thought, well, That's what's funny to me is that

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I looked it up and all of the men are

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age appropriate. They're all like thirty eight when they filmed

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the movie. All the women are ten years younger.

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Hmm, well yeah, but we'll get to We'll get to

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them before we jump into it. Though. I gotta I

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gotta address something, especially with you, David, What is happening

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with the color grading during like the first six minutes

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of this movie. So I cause I immediately thought something

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was wrong with my TV.

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So I did two it first, and then I realized

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what they were doing. So what I feel they were

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the director was trying to get across was the fact

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that when you're at camp, everything's colorful, joyful, exciting, yeah,

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and then when you go to the real world, everything's

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drained of color. And boring and just you know, so

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when they come back to camp, the color comes right

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back as they go to Yeah, that's the way I

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see it anyway.

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I get what he's doing. It's it's kind of like

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a Wizard of Ouz thing. I totally get that. But

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the problem I have with it is we open the

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movie in that glorious color and it's like nineteen seventy two,

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and then we it's I don't know, it's like it

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just a a bluish, a pale, bluish, grayish look to

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the film, and I immediately think something's wrong with my

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TV because it goes on for so long. And then

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like you're right, they come back to camp and as

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they're they're the boat's pulling up, the color pops again.

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And Brian, I was a little aggravated with it.

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Oh, I hated it. I thought it was such an

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okay And I also thought it was weird that they

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did like the weird Schindler's List thing where like you

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could see red, yeah, we could see any other colors.

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I'm like, what what does that even mean? So yeah,

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I was just like, why are you doing.

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That, Dave? You're you're the director here, what have been

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what it made more sense for him to just go

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straight up black and white or Earth Store or what

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for the adult life, the adult life, you know, like

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the city life. I guess we call it it just

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it was. It was the color was off, but it

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was it was subtle enough that you it just makes

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you wonder, like, what's what's something happened? Did I get

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a bad copy of the movie? Like if I bought

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this and that happened, I would be I'd be running

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back to Best Buy to turn it to, you know,

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for a refund, and like, yeah, this one's defective, I

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want another one. I just I don't know. I didn't

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like it.

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I I like the decision with the director was pulling

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off there. Maybe he could have chosen a different route

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to go with the faded colors. But I liked it

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because it it had that that vibe to it that

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you know, you're coming back to being a kid again

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at a place that you had such wonderful memories that

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the color comes back. I like that. I thought it

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was a great director decision.

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All right, Well, I would I would enjoy I'd like

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to enjoy arguing with you more about this off Mike,

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So let's take a quick break and when we come back,

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we'll talk about this casting crew. Seriously don't like it.

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Welcome back. We are discussing a film starring Bill Paxton

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nineteen ninety three's Indian Summer. So here's the thing we've got.

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It's like what eight people that go back to camp?

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David was to give it a little synopsis. I don't

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really I really don't want to get in the weeds

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with this entire cast. There's three people I really want

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to talk about, but I do want to be fair

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and shout everyone out. So if you guys, if you

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have anyone that you really want to talk about, you know,

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just jump in here. But let's start off with Bill Paxton.

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He's playing Jack Belston. I immediately am happy seeing him for

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two reasons. One because he's Bill Paxton and two is

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it me or does he look like Roddy Piper and

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they live.

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Hair.

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I'm telling you, he's got the hair. He's got the

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exact same leather jacket, he's got that drifter look. You

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just assumed that, Hey, this is if Roddy Piper just

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stopped working out for a couple months. He looks like

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Bill Paxton in Indian Summer.

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I can see it now.

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I can't be alone, right, I got out here not alone.

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But I didn't put that together when I first watched it.

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Now I do.

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Amber what'd you think of Bill Paxton in this movie?

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Is this one of his better performances?

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I mean, I just thought he was adorable. I really

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liked his character. I liked his interaction with Alan Arkin.

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I thought they were really good together. And I liked

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him being kind of, you know what, he plays like

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that kind of outlier guy.

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He's lovable in this though, he really does, you know.

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And to be honest, if all the characters that we

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have in this, all the connections we have in this,

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him and Uncle Lew's relationship was the best of the

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whole movie.

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Yes, it really was. Okay, I'm glad we're all on

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the same page.

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Reading to me was like everything, yeah.

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Yeah, yeah. So, like I said, I don't want to

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talk about everyone in the cast in detail, but this

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is this is this is a movie between Bill Paxson

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and Alan Arkin. As far as I'm concerned, it's it's

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Jack and Uncle loo that it's their story. But he's

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just he's just a lovable schlub in this, and even

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when he's just getting just beat down by Diane Lane,

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your your heart's breaking for him, but at the same time,

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you're kind of laughing because she's like, I'm not attracted

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to you. I don't find you. You know, you're not

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a good looking guy. He's like, yeah, okay, sure, I'll

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just stay over here. You know, why'd you try? And

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gives me I don't know, It's just.

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Like, am I reading too much into it? I felt

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like there was a whole thing because he got kicked out,

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Like he's the only one as an adult that's like

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a schlub, Like he doesn't have the greatest job. He's

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kind of itinerant, and hey, it's like you took a curve.

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He's the You're right, he's the only one that didn't

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end up successful in life.

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But in the end he is. But in the yeah,

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which is which is what? Which is what? You're onto

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something there, because when he gets kicked out of camp,

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it's like his life just becomes shambles. But when he

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comes back to the camp and fixes what he did wrong,

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everything gets corrected. So I like that. I didn't think

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about that.

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Amber good cat, Holy ship, did you just make me

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see the movie in a whole new light.

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Thin did.

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This? This epiphany brought to you by the voice of

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Freezing Amber Lewis h Let's talk about Alan Arkin. He's

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playing Unca Lou Handler, and he's he's actually playing the

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real guy. The actual founder of Camp Tamaqua was Lou Handler.

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He's actually wearing some of Lou's, the real loose clothes

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in this movie. I love Alan Arca and everything Dave

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tell me about Uncle Loo.

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Well, he does such a wonderful job as Uncle Lou.

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You gotta love him. I mean, he he's got a

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passion for this place and he wants to keep it going,

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but realizes that, you know, not a lot of kids

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are coming anymore, and it's pretty much this is it,

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which is another reason why he's brought everybody back for

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this reunion.

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This is it.

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You know, he's not gonna do it anymore. He's closing

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the camp. But he is just that the guy that

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you just love to be around, a guy that runs

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a camp like that, you want to hang out with

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him and be a part of that, at least in

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my opinion. Granted, there's a little bit of history with

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him that we learn we're gonna get to it. Yeah,

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and you're kind of like, really, Uncle Lou, that's where

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we're going with this. But he does apologize for that

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later on in the end.

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We'll get to that scene. But it it makes him

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a human being, right, He's fallible, right he is, Yeah,

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because he's we love Uncle loom But like anybody there's

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people have history, they have things they've they've got mistakes

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they've made and that they've tried to rectify. And I'll

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tell you one thing I really love about Alan Arkin

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in this movie Amber. He is walking such an amazingly

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fine line between father figure and like old friend, best friend, right,

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because he was the father figure to him when they're

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ten and twelve and now he's you know, they're adults,

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so he's he can he can share a different side

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of his personality, his life, but he's still being he's

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still Uncle Looo. Aren't you loving the what he's doing here? Well?

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Yes? And I'm also I love that it never falls

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into that like gruff, grumpy old man, like why would

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this guy be running a camp kind of character. He

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is always you can tell he loves being around kids

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and giving him this summer camp experience and teaching him

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and guiding them, and he sees the importance of what

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that experience is and what he can bring to it.

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So I just loved that character. That wasn't just you know,

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growley and grumpy.

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And and it wasn't over the top.

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It was perfect.

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Yes, exactly.

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Yeah, I believed him. I believe he like I know

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it's Alan Ark and I'm looking at that, but I

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believe that he's actually Lou Handler.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, Yeah.

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One other person I really want to talk about a

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little more in detail here because it's such a fun performance.

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I know where you're going with Sam Raymie yep, one

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of our favorite directors is playing Lou's assistant, Stick Coder.

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I spent the whole first watch going is that same Raby?

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No?

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Well, he's good. He's the director, isn't he.

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Yeah, he's a childhood friend of Mike Binders.

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Yeah.

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So the question I have for you guys, and granted,

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we love Sam Raimi. We've we've covered him, we did

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a simple we did a simple plan in our first season.

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We've dave you and I have met him. He is

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a delightful man and he is so friendly, great guy

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to talk with. But my question to you is did

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we miss out on Sam Raimi being a comedic talent

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throughout the nineties and beyond because he's doing like this

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this Carl Speckler Caddyshack thing, but he's also like blending

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a little bit of Buster Keaton, you know, because it's

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like a silent performance. Yep. And he is absolutely hilarious

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with his physical, physical comedy. Like I kind of feel

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like we're missing out on this aspect of Sam Ramy Dave.

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There's also times I felt like he was John Ritter

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from Three's Company.

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Oh gosh, yeah, all that's so good.

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The way he was performing some of the scenes, especially

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the scenes where he was dropping the luggage in the

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water and he's trying to get the boat and he's

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trying to get the luggage. I swore that was John Ritter.

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It's what it fell like to me. That's that's the

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vibe I got.

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Amber. I'm gonna ask you if you if we got

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more of Sam Raimi the comedic genius in movies over

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the last thirty years, but it meant that we lose

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half of his filmography. Oh no, do is it worth it? No? Okay, okay,

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I'm just throwing it out there. It would have been.

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Funny as like like a drop in cameo to all

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his movies, like Bruce Campbell always shows up. He could

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be doing some deufest thing in the background that would

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have been funny.

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I definitely, you know, because you know, I saw that,

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we all saw this when it first came out. But

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on this revisit, I'm asking myself that same question, like

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how come we didn't get Sam Raimi doing fun cameos

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in his own movies because we see that, you know,

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with directors Jeff.

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I hope we get another opportunity to meet Sam because

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I'd forgotten about his performance in this until I rewatched

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it for this podcast. I really would like to ask

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him about his care I think you.

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Would love to be asked about this movie. I think

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he would be so excited.

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Yeah, absolutely, because he gets nothing but Spider Man question loud,

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you know if you asked him. And I wish I

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had known to ask him this because when we were

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in that question and panel, we got a panel everyone's

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asking Spider Man. I would love to ask him about

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Stick God. I wish I would ever remember that.

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Yeah, well, we'll get another chance. We'll see him again,

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I know, we will. He's big on Lexington. I think

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you know when we go to lexiconso we'll be looking

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out for him. All right, let's talk. I'm gonna I'm

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gonna open this up because, like I said, it's it's

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a who's who of nineties talent. So we've got Diane

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Lane playing Beth Warden, we got Elizabeth Perkins playing Jennifer Morton,

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Kevin Pollack as Brad Berman, King of the Shreks, Julie

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Warner as Kelly Burman, Vincent Spano as Matt Burman, and uh,

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let's say we got Matt cra Jamie Ross. Dave no

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stranger to camp. He played a c I T in

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the nineteen seventy nine Bill Murray classic Meatballs. Did he know? Yeah,

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shout out to a film at forty five. You guys

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covered meatballs in your second season.

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I think we absolutely did.

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Yep.

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Yeah, listeners, go back and check that one out.

472
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That was the first episode of yours that I listened to.

473
00:25:19.400 --> 00:25:19.440
That.

474
00:25:20.319 --> 00:25:21.119
It's a great movie.

475
00:25:21.240 --> 00:25:24.319
Yeah, Dave, you and Scott did such a great job.

476
00:25:24.519 --> 00:25:27.640
Amber continued to listen to the show and joined the cast.

477
00:25:27.680 --> 00:25:32.160
Here she's joined the team. So that's off to you. That. Listeners,

478
00:25:32.160 --> 00:25:34.880
that's that's just how good the Meatballs episode is. Go

479
00:25:34.960 --> 00:25:39.960
back and check that out. We've got the young and

480
00:25:40.000 --> 00:25:44.720
adorable Kimberly Williams playing Gwynn Doherty. This was This was

481
00:25:44.759 --> 00:25:47.119
like a year or two after her feature film debut

482
00:25:47.160 --> 00:25:51.720
and followed The Bride. So listen again, there's a lot

483
00:25:51.759 --> 00:25:54.640
of talent here, anyone you guys specifically want to want

484
00:25:54.680 --> 00:25:56.519
to talk about, Like as far as the performances go.

485
00:25:56.799 --> 00:25:59.119
We don't forget done. Land had a second character in this.

486
00:25:59.759 --> 00:26:01.359
Oh yeah, and she played like to or she played

487
00:26:01.359 --> 00:26:05.160
clear effort the older woman when they're twelve at that cabin. Yah.

488
00:26:05.400 --> 00:26:07.200
I just thought that was interesting that they did that.

489
00:26:09.160 --> 00:26:11.039
Kind of weird now like it was because like we

490
00:26:11.079 --> 00:26:13.119
get that look at it. I'm like, wait, are we

491
00:26:13.200 --> 00:26:15.400
doing some kind of is this like is he warning

492
00:26:15.440 --> 00:26:18.559
her about her future? Is this all fixed to it again?

493
00:26:18.799 --> 00:26:21.119
Mike Binder making some weird choices, not just with the

494
00:26:21.160 --> 00:26:24.359
color grading, but with just get an old waity to

495
00:26:24.400 --> 00:26:28.319
play the play the old woman? Yeah, you know what

496
00:26:28.359 --> 00:26:29.720
does she call it sick that day? Does she not

497
00:26:29.759 --> 00:26:34.279
make it the bus to the camp? Hey, Dianea, you

498
00:26:34.559 --> 00:26:37.000
we pack on some makeup and make you just look old.

499
00:26:37.240 --> 00:26:40.920
Well, for my money, like, Diane Lane is a huge

500
00:26:40.960 --> 00:26:44.200
part of this movie for me because I absolutely love

501
00:26:44.240 --> 00:26:48.000
and adore her work, and I feel like, you know,

502
00:26:48.079 --> 00:26:50.440
all due respect to the other actors, like she and

503
00:26:50.480 --> 00:26:54.000
Alan Arkin are on another level. Yes, So you're watching

504
00:26:54.119 --> 00:26:59.000
like truth espians in a movie with like see Lesters.

505
00:26:59.599 --> 00:27:02.839
Well, okay, that's fair because well, she's got she has

506
00:27:02.880 --> 00:27:05.920
a little bit more meat on the bone as far

507
00:27:05.920 --> 00:27:08.960
as her role is concerned, because she's she's pretty much

508
00:27:09.000 --> 00:27:12.240
the only one that's coming back with a little bit

509
00:27:12.279 --> 00:27:15.079
of trauma, right, you know, she's her character, she's she's

510
00:27:15.440 --> 00:27:17.839
recently lost her husband. She's trying to find her way

511
00:27:17.880 --> 00:27:22.440
in life without him. So I totally get that, yeah,

512
00:27:22.440 --> 00:27:23.720
and I don't I definitely don't want to sell her

513
00:27:23.759 --> 00:27:25.720
performance short because I love Diane Lane.

514
00:27:25.799 --> 00:27:31.480
She's she's amazing and she's.

515
00:27:30.480 --> 00:27:34.200
Yeah, and I just I love that. I'm am I

516
00:27:34.240 --> 00:27:36.920
wrong in assuming that maybe there was something between her

517
00:27:37.000 --> 00:27:39.599
and Bill Paxton, like when there are kids at camp

518
00:27:39.640 --> 00:27:45.559
and that never happened, And now, like you know, for me.

519
00:27:45.599 --> 00:27:47.960
Like so much comes back to him getting kicked out,

520
00:27:48.000 --> 00:27:50.519
and I wonder if it was, like you know, because

521
00:27:50.559 --> 00:27:52.519
they were just at the age where you're just starting

522
00:27:52.599 --> 00:27:56.599
to notice boys and girls. And she she was, you know,

523
00:27:56.680 --> 00:28:00.160
kind of the athletic, tomboyish kind of one. And yeah,

524
00:28:00.240 --> 00:28:02.359
maybe she was just kind of starting to go, you know,

525
00:28:02.480 --> 00:28:04.160
he's kind of cute and then he was gone.

526
00:28:04.759 --> 00:28:07.599
Maybe maybe they had planned a dirty dog. There sneak

527
00:28:07.640 --> 00:28:09.920
out the first kiss, and you know.

528
00:28:10.000 --> 00:28:13.400
He gets kicked out, so.

529
00:28:12.160 --> 00:28:14.559
She's left high and dry. I don't know, that's a

530
00:28:14.720 --> 00:28:17.440
good point, very good point, David. Anyone you want to,

531
00:28:17.519 --> 00:28:18.839
you want to, you want to point out anyone?

532
00:28:19.680 --> 00:28:21.519
Now, the vison was me was Diane Lane. I just

533
00:28:21.599 --> 00:28:25.160
thought she was phenomenal in this Yeah we're word apart

534
00:28:25.160 --> 00:28:27.039
from everybody else. So I grew with Amber on that one.

535
00:28:27.480 --> 00:28:29.400
I will say it was fun to see a young

536
00:28:30.880 --> 00:28:31.559
Kevin Pollack.

537
00:28:32.359 --> 00:28:37.519
It was you know, I never appreciated him until I

538
00:28:37.559 --> 00:28:42.599
saw him in Missus Masel recently, and that performance is

539
00:28:42.640 --> 00:28:45.279
so good that it made me like appreciate his other

540
00:28:45.359 --> 00:28:48.119
performances more interesting.

541
00:28:48.200 --> 00:28:51.640
He well, he usually plays like the everyman, the sidekick,

542
00:28:51.759 --> 00:28:56.079
the side character. Uh. I don't know, it'd be like

543
00:28:56.599 --> 00:28:58.799
I like, I always liked him in usual Suspects because

544
00:28:58.799 --> 00:29:00.640
it was like the one shot he had it playing

545
00:29:00.680 --> 00:29:04.039
like a tough guy.

546
00:29:03.079 --> 00:29:05.480
Like him, because I felt like, what are you doing here?

547
00:29:06.240 --> 00:29:09.759
What? Really, you're not a criminal, You're just like you,

548
00:29:09.839 --> 00:29:12.759
like the adorable Kevin pill like the old men, A

549
00:29:12.799 --> 00:29:16.880
few good men. Yeah, the safe the safe Pollock is

550
00:29:16.920 --> 00:29:25.680
that you like, give well, give him the goatee in

551
00:29:25.720 --> 00:29:27.200
the ball cap and let him be a little bit

552
00:29:27.240 --> 00:29:31.079
of a bad guy. And I'm with him usual suspects.

553
00:29:31.480 --> 00:29:33.720
Let's talk a little bit about the background of this film.

554
00:29:34.200 --> 00:29:36.920
Not a lot diving into this movie. There's not a

555
00:29:36.920 --> 00:29:39.920
whole lot, but we can't say this. It's written and

556
00:29:39.960 --> 00:29:44.000
directed by Mike Binder. It's based on the actual Camp

557
00:29:44.039 --> 00:29:48.680
Tamaqua in Ontario, Canada, which he went to for ten

558
00:29:48.880 --> 00:29:52.920
straight summers as a child. So I'm I'm going to

559
00:29:53.000 --> 00:29:56.279
assume that it's a little autobiographical for him and maybe

560
00:29:56.319 --> 00:29:59.000
he's Jack. Maybe. I mean, we have to believe they

561
00:29:59.039 --> 00:30:01.839
didn't get kicked out, But you don't go to camp

562
00:30:02.240 --> 00:30:05.079
ten straight years. I mean think about it, like what,

563
00:30:05.400 --> 00:30:08.559
let's say he's like eight, first time he goes to camp,

564
00:30:08.599 --> 00:30:10.839
like he's a he's a counselor in training. By the

565
00:30:10.839 --> 00:30:14.400
time he's leaving this place, right right. I want to

566
00:30:14.440 --> 00:30:17.519
talk about shreks, and I'm not talking about the Mike

567
00:30:17.599 --> 00:30:23.160
Myers ogre. This is this is another word for a

568
00:30:23.200 --> 00:30:27.279
camp gag or our summer camp trick. So Amber, I

569
00:30:27.319 --> 00:30:29.359
know we were talking off Mike. You you mentioned like

570
00:30:29.400 --> 00:30:32.279
you had been to camp one or two times, Dave,

571
00:30:32.359 --> 00:30:35.559
you and I went to the same We did summer

572
00:30:35.599 --> 00:30:39.640
camp at different times, obviously, but uh, shout out to

573
00:30:39.680 --> 00:30:42.960
Woodland Alters, YEP, which I wonder. I wonder if it's

574
00:30:42.960 --> 00:30:44.759
still running. I wonder if there's like an Uncle Lou

575
00:30:44.799 --> 00:30:46.599
there that's still still keeping it going.

576
00:30:46.880 --> 00:30:48.599
I know it's still there, but I don't know how

577
00:30:48.799 --> 00:30:49.799
what if it's running or not?

578
00:30:49.839 --> 00:30:52.000
For a guy where in Ohio?

579
00:30:52.200 --> 00:30:55.480
Yeah? Yeah, is it Adams County?

580
00:30:55.640 --> 00:30:57.160
Adams can County, I believe is where.

581
00:30:57.240 --> 00:30:57.400
Yeah.

582
00:30:58.559 --> 00:31:02.480
Shout out to the Adams County listeners if we have any.

583
00:31:04.079 --> 00:31:06.599
I went to Camp Camel Guard in.

584
00:31:06.759 --> 00:31:12.319
Hamilton, Camp Camel Guard. So let's talk shreks. Amber. Let's

585
00:31:12.319 --> 00:31:16.359
start with you. Any were you were you Were you

586
00:31:16.400 --> 00:31:18.559
the one pulling the shreks or were you the one

587
00:31:19.279 --> 00:31:22.480
being shreked? Do you remember any specific shreks?

588
00:31:23.680 --> 00:31:26.119
Well, I didn't go all summer. I did like a

589
00:31:26.160 --> 00:31:29.799
couple overnights here and there. And I do remember I

590
00:31:29.839 --> 00:31:33.400
am not a practical joke person. I hate them and

591
00:31:33.440 --> 00:31:37.640
despise them, but I'm also as a kid, I was

592
00:31:37.680 --> 00:31:42.480
a follower. So we all the girls got together and

593
00:31:42.559 --> 00:31:45.680
we stole the boys shoes and tied them in a trade.

594
00:31:46.160 --> 00:31:47.680
Nice and were you caught?

595
00:31:48.599 --> 00:31:50.400
No, no, you gotta wait.

596
00:31:50.440 --> 00:31:53.279
Well no, here's the thing, Like the counselor that was

597
00:31:53.279 --> 00:31:56.640
in our cabin like led the raids. So it was like,

598
00:31:57.079 --> 00:32:00.519
you're only here for you know, two days and an overnight,

599
00:32:00.640 --> 00:32:03.000
so you got to make the most of your camp experience.

600
00:32:03.319 --> 00:32:05.839
So you get you get the Bill Murray Meatballs counselor

601
00:32:05.960 --> 00:32:08.559
who wants you to misbehave and have fun.

602
00:32:08.839 --> 00:32:12.000
Yes, she was like seventeen. She was the coolest person

603
00:32:12.400 --> 00:32:16.440
you'd ever met. And she took all of us twelve

604
00:32:16.480 --> 00:32:19.200
year olds out to raid the boy's shoes.

605
00:32:20.119 --> 00:32:24.839
Okay, Dave camp will an altars. Any Shreks that you

606
00:32:24.839 --> 00:32:27.039
you can you can think of that you you either

607
00:32:27.119 --> 00:32:28.599
saw or participated in.

608
00:32:29.000 --> 00:32:31.279
So one of them was on the wrong end of

609
00:32:31.319 --> 00:32:31.759
a Shrek.

610
00:32:32.880 --> 00:32:35.279
Yeah, he's Kevin Pollock.

611
00:32:36.000 --> 00:32:41.000
The classic shaving cream in the hand when you're Yeah,

612
00:32:41.680 --> 00:32:44.319
the tickle of the nose you smack your face.

613
00:32:44.400 --> 00:32:44.640
Yeah.

614
00:32:44.720 --> 00:32:47.920
I was on the wrong end of that one as

615
00:32:47.960 --> 00:32:50.680
a kid. Now, Jeff, I'm curious, since we both went

616
00:32:50.720 --> 00:32:52.079
to the same camp, I wonder if they did the

617
00:32:52.119 --> 00:32:54.279
same things to you as they did to us. So

618
00:32:54.319 --> 00:32:57.640
they kind of did a group threk where they blindfolded you.

619
00:32:57.680 --> 00:32:58.720
Did they blindfold you?

620
00:32:58.839 --> 00:33:00.000
I remember a blindfold Yeah?

621
00:33:00.079 --> 00:33:03.640
Yeah, yeah, and they like they like handed around food items,

622
00:33:03.640 --> 00:33:04.960
but you didn't know they were food.

623
00:33:05.119 --> 00:33:05.400
Yep.

624
00:33:05.599 --> 00:33:07.759
They were telling you it was like body parts, like

625
00:33:07.960 --> 00:33:11.680
org and stuff like that, and it was like the

626
00:33:11.720 --> 00:33:14.119
most disgusting thing in the world, but you did. But

627
00:33:14.160 --> 00:33:16.960
it really wasn't because it was like spaghetti. It was

628
00:33:17.039 --> 00:33:20.279
simple things from food, but you couldn't see what it was.

629
00:33:20.400 --> 00:33:23.720
All you could do is feel it, like hair, A couple.

630
00:33:23.519 --> 00:33:25.799
Olive Yeah, you put some olives in your hand. It's like, oh,

631
00:33:25.799 --> 00:33:29.279
these are the eyeballs out of a dead animal we found. Yeah,

632
00:33:29.480 --> 00:33:31.799
I remember that. I'll tell you some other ones. I

633
00:33:31.839 --> 00:33:34.160
remember it because it and it's funny because one of

634
00:33:34.200 --> 00:33:36.000
the reasons I love this movie so much is because

635
00:33:36.000 --> 00:33:37.400
some of the shreks that they pull off in the

636
00:33:37.440 --> 00:33:41.279
movie are stuff that I'd seen and maybe participated in

637
00:33:41.680 --> 00:33:46.839
at Woodland Altars. So I can tell you you're like, yeah,

638
00:33:47.519 --> 00:33:51.000
it's been long enough. We definitely did the toothpaste under

639
00:33:51.039 --> 00:33:56.640
the sheets. You know, you're going to camp so and

640
00:33:56.680 --> 00:33:59.160
you're you're eleven, you don't really care about brushing your teeth.

641
00:33:59.160 --> 00:34:00.880
So that tube of toothpaste that mom packed for you,

642
00:34:01.559 --> 00:34:05.119
it was in everyone's it was in everyone's beds. Uh.

643
00:34:05.319 --> 00:34:07.920
We did the the hand in the warm water. We

644
00:34:08.039 --> 00:34:10.320
tried it, but it never worked. So I don't know

645
00:34:10.400 --> 00:34:14.360
where that started, Like why you why? What? Where? You

646
00:34:14.400 --> 00:34:15.960
know who came up with that first? To think like, oh,

647
00:34:16.000 --> 00:34:18.239
you put their hand in warm water and it makes them.

648
00:34:18.039 --> 00:34:23.239
Makes the oldest urban legend story that older brothers passed

649
00:34:23.239 --> 00:34:24.239
to younger brothers.

650
00:34:24.800 --> 00:34:26.599
It's got to be something. Uh. And then I will

651
00:34:26.599 --> 00:34:29.719
tell you, Uh, there was a raid, a night raid

652
00:34:29.760 --> 00:34:33.360
on the girl's cabin and we got we got caught,

653
00:34:33.519 --> 00:34:37.079
and we got in trouble. Now, Dave, I don't know

654
00:34:37.079 --> 00:34:40.079
if you remember punishments. So the punishment that me and

655
00:34:40.280 --> 00:34:44.159
several others received, we had a choice. We could either

656
00:34:44.800 --> 00:34:48.880
have KP duty for the next two days or you

657
00:34:48.880 --> 00:34:51.599
remember that big room, Dave, like that, like when you

658
00:34:51.639 --> 00:34:55.880
first got the camp that that giant like meeting room. Okay,

659
00:34:55.920 --> 00:35:00.519
So the other option was you could go stand in

660
00:35:00.519 --> 00:35:03.480
that room by yourself in the dark. You had to

661
00:35:03.519 --> 00:35:06.679
count from one to one thousand, and when you got

662
00:35:06.679 --> 00:35:08.119
to one thousand, you could go back to bed.

663
00:35:08.800 --> 00:35:12.440
There is no way I would clean toilets for the rest.

664
00:35:12.239 --> 00:35:13.360
Of my life.

665
00:35:15.159 --> 00:35:18.400
We all took. We all took the stand in the

666
00:35:18.480 --> 00:35:20.760
dark by yourself count.

667
00:35:22.000 --> 00:35:24.039
Yeah. I have another question for you, Jeff, I wonder

668
00:35:24.039 --> 00:35:25.800
if they did this to your group too. Do you

669
00:35:25.840 --> 00:35:28.440
remember going out in the fourth at middle of the

670
00:35:28.519 --> 00:35:31.360
night as the night hike, the night hike the night

671
00:35:32.360 --> 00:35:35.119
they would stop you and then they would go way

672
00:35:35.159 --> 00:35:37.519
further down the trail. Yeah, and then you have to

673
00:35:37.559 --> 00:35:41.599
walk by yourself and pitch black in the force until

674
00:35:41.599 --> 00:35:43.239
you found them amber.

675
00:35:43.440 --> 00:35:45.360
This was think about We're ten years old and this

676
00:35:45.480 --> 00:35:49.760
is an absolute Friday the thirteenth scenario. It was. It

677
00:35:49.840 --> 00:35:51.400
was to build you know, I get it though. It

678
00:35:51.400 --> 00:35:52.559
was to build confidence.

679
00:35:52.639 --> 00:35:56.239
Make it from the campfire to the cabin because they

680
00:35:56.280 --> 00:36:00.320
told us a scary story at the campfire and we

681
00:36:00.360 --> 00:36:01.679
got attack.

682
00:36:02.599 --> 00:36:04.559
Yeah. The night hike was fun though, because like you're

683
00:36:04.559 --> 00:36:06.880
you're you're freaking out because like you're watching everyone, you're

684
00:36:06.920 --> 00:36:08.960
like and all you're seeing is like the group just

685
00:36:08.960 --> 00:36:12.880
get smaller and smaller because you're left behind and like

686
00:36:12.920 --> 00:36:15.039
there's one other there's a counsel going Okay, now it's

687
00:36:15.079 --> 00:36:18.679
your turn. And it was terrifying, but it was also awesome.

688
00:36:18.880 --> 00:36:21.400
It was you know, I was terrified. I remember to

689
00:36:21.440 --> 00:36:24.639
this day. I was freaking terrifying. What it did, it.

690
00:36:24.599 --> 00:36:26.559
What you had to go over the Strawberry bridge. Wasn't

691
00:36:26.559 --> 00:36:27.199
that what it was called?

692
00:36:27.320 --> 00:36:27.519
Yes?

693
00:36:27.679 --> 00:36:32.119
Yes, very strawberry patches there. Yep, yeah, very very scary,

694
00:36:32.119 --> 00:36:34.280
but very awesome. Uh, let's go back.

695
00:36:34.360 --> 00:36:36.559
Let's let's I would love that love it.

696
00:36:36.840 --> 00:36:38.639
Got to look into the woodland order. There should be

697
00:36:38.679 --> 00:36:40.719
an adult camp, like you should be able to get

698
00:36:40.719 --> 00:36:42.360
to go to camp as an adult like that like

699
00:36:42.360 --> 00:36:45.119
this movie. I don't know why that doesn't exist. Someone

700
00:36:45.119 --> 00:36:46.119
needs to make that happen though.

701
00:36:46.280 --> 00:36:46.880
I agree.

702
00:36:47.320 --> 00:36:51.639
All right, Uh, let's talk about noteworthy scenes and uh,

703
00:36:51.719 --> 00:36:53.679
maybe the pivotal moment. What will what we think is

704
00:36:53.679 --> 00:36:57.519
the pivotal moment, So sneaking we've been talking about sneaking out, uh,

705
00:36:57.679 --> 00:37:00.719
otherwise known as the dirty Dog, the dirty Dog, they're

706
00:37:00.760 --> 00:37:02.880
just having fun. I loved what you know, clearly, like

707
00:37:02.920 --> 00:37:05.639
the one episode, the one scene there they're all high

708
00:37:05.760 --> 00:37:08.639
because like, uh was it? Is it Julie Warner that

709
00:37:08.679 --> 00:37:10.400
just cannot get away from that tub of peanut butter.

710
00:37:11.760 --> 00:37:17.039
Elizabeth Parker she's got like the spatula and she's just yeah,

711
00:37:17.199 --> 00:37:20.599
going at it talking about their favorite moments from camp

712
00:37:20.639 --> 00:37:25.679
and lou but uh love love that moment. Uh we

713
00:37:25.719 --> 00:37:28.039
talked about Amber. You're talking about scary stories around the

714
00:37:28.039 --> 00:37:34.320
campfire lose campfire poem the Cremation of Sam Magee by

715
00:37:34.719 --> 00:37:38.079
by Robert Servis. I love that scene. It's such a

716
00:37:38.119 --> 00:37:40.920
fun like he like that they got the fire, like

717
00:37:40.960 --> 00:37:45.840
the firelight licking his his face and you know, you

718
00:37:45.920 --> 00:37:47.440
just assume that he's gonna tell the legend of Jason

719
00:37:47.480 --> 00:37:51.320
Voorhes right there. But it's this creepy, super creepy poem

720
00:37:51.360 --> 00:37:57.000
about a.

721
00:37:54.480 --> 00:37:56.480
Poem makes it scarier, it does.

722
00:37:56.559 --> 00:37:58.800
Yeah, well yeah, the way he kind of he just

723
00:37:58.800 --> 00:38:02.960
just his voice is Alan Arkins's voice is perfect, pitch

724
00:38:03.000 --> 00:38:07.199
perfect here because it's the sing song thing he does. Yes,

725
00:38:07.320 --> 00:38:10.280
because he's rhyming, it makes it scary and I don't

726
00:38:10.280 --> 00:38:12.760
know why that is, but it definitely does I want

727
00:38:12.800 --> 00:38:14.719
to talk about I'm gonna go ahead and say it.

728
00:38:14.760 --> 00:38:17.760
I think this is the pivotal moment Davey alluded to

729
00:38:17.800 --> 00:38:22.320
it the reveal of why Jack was kicked out of camp. Yeah,

730
00:38:22.599 --> 00:38:26.079
we learn a secret about Lou, and it's all about

731
00:38:26.119 --> 00:38:28.880
sending this boy Sam Grover home. Mm hmm. The first

732
00:38:28.880 --> 00:38:31.679
time you see this movie, you just love Uncle Lou.

733
00:38:31.840 --> 00:38:33.239
This scene breaks your heart.

734
00:38:33.400 --> 00:38:35.480
It almost seems out of character. But then you do

735
00:38:35.559 --> 00:38:39.000
realize after you learn he talks about it. Later on

736
00:38:39.039 --> 00:38:41.119
you get all your explanations and stuff like that, so

737
00:38:41.159 --> 00:38:43.360
then it kind of makes sense. But at first I

738
00:38:43.400 --> 00:38:44.840
was like, wow, it seems like got of character for

739
00:38:44.920 --> 00:38:45.920
Uncle Lou. But then it doesn't.

740
00:38:45.960 --> 00:38:48.039
No, No, I mean he does do it. He's wrong,

741
00:38:48.159 --> 00:38:49.960
but he does it with a bit of grace, Like

742
00:38:50.000 --> 00:38:52.840
he gives them money and yeah, you know, he pays

743
00:38:52.920 --> 00:38:55.280
him his salary and everything. It's not like he just

744
00:38:55.960 --> 00:38:57.599
it's like, eh, too bad for you.

745
00:38:57.679 --> 00:39:01.920
Later Amber's is this just good? Is this good writing? Though?

746
00:39:01.960 --> 00:39:04.880
Where we get this reveal? This is why I got

747
00:39:04.960 --> 00:39:07.360
kicked out because I found out that Lou sends this

748
00:39:07.480 --> 00:39:10.239
kid home. He does this counsel in training shows up,

749
00:39:10.440 --> 00:39:13.079
you know, we're hearing Bill Paxton relate the story, so

750
00:39:13.119 --> 00:39:15.440
we don't have all the details. But the first time

751
00:39:15.480 --> 00:39:17.639
you you the first time you're watching this movie, you

752
00:39:17.679 --> 00:39:22.159
feel you feel a sense of betrayal with a well,

753
00:39:22.199 --> 00:39:23.079
it puts.

754
00:39:22.920 --> 00:39:29.119
You in Bill Paxton's position, especially as you know, an

755
00:39:29.119 --> 00:39:32.840
eleven twelve year old kid. They have a very innate,

756
00:39:33.079 --> 00:39:36.039
very strong, very black and white sense of right and wrong.

757
00:39:37.599 --> 00:39:42.920
And the way that he is unable to approach Lou

758
00:39:42.960 --> 00:39:47.880
about it and has to lash out, you know, in

759
00:39:48.199 --> 00:39:54.519
this demonstrative way. It is a great understanding of kids,

760
00:39:54.760 --> 00:39:57.880
and I think of you know, adults too. You know,

761
00:39:57.960 --> 00:39:59.719
Uncle Lou is in a position he has to make

762
00:39:59.800 --> 00:40:02.519
us second decision and he did the wrong thing. He

763
00:40:02.559 --> 00:40:04.119
made a mistake, you know, it.

764
00:40:04.039 --> 00:40:06.079
Was So it's a different time, right, It's like what

765
00:40:06.159 --> 00:40:09.920
the sixties, fifties, you know, when we're knowing about the

766
00:40:09.960 --> 00:40:12.960
Uncle Loo flashback. It's a different time in the world.

767
00:40:13.000 --> 00:40:14.480
It's a it's a sad time in the world. And

768
00:40:16.039 --> 00:40:18.719
you know when you hear Uncle Lou own up to it,

769
00:40:18.960 --> 00:40:20.599
you kind of get the idea like, hey, he was

770
00:40:20.639 --> 00:40:22.960
he was trying to look out for this kid, trying

771
00:40:23.000 --> 00:40:25.719
to protect him, even though he was, he was wrong

772
00:40:26.639 --> 00:40:29.840
with how he chose to protect him. It's a I

773
00:40:29.880 --> 00:40:33.440
don't know it. I wrestle with my feelings towards Uncle

774
00:40:33.480 --> 00:40:37.119
Loo throughout the movie, you know, like I go back

775
00:40:37.119 --> 00:40:39.840
and forth on him.

776
00:40:39.079 --> 00:40:40.480
But I think that's what they want you to do.

777
00:40:41.079 --> 00:40:44.320
Yeah, And I think that's why. I think that's what

778
00:40:44.400 --> 00:40:46.800
makes us the pivotal moment of the movie because this

779
00:40:47.639 --> 00:40:52.599
everything you know, Bill Paxson's motivations, Uncle Lou, you know

780
00:40:52.639 --> 00:40:55.679
Alan Arkins, his motivations, It all ties to this one

781
00:40:55.760 --> 00:40:59.800
moment in this movie and this one scene, this flashback

782
00:41:00.119 --> 00:41:05.559
you you see Lou dealing with Sam Grover. So, Amber,

783
00:41:05.639 --> 00:41:07.079
is is this a pivotal moment for you? Or is

784
00:41:07.079 --> 00:41:08.320
there something else? Well?

785
00:41:08.360 --> 00:41:13.519
And I find it interesting that Lou when he greets them,

786
00:41:14.239 --> 00:41:16.960
he refers to when they came to camp as like

787
00:41:17.039 --> 00:41:20.840
that was the golden era, yeah, and which says that

788
00:41:21.400 --> 00:41:24.199
after that moment and after he kicked Bill Patston out,

789
00:41:24.239 --> 00:41:25.320
nothing was ever the same.

790
00:41:25.679 --> 00:41:26.039
M hm.

791
00:41:26.599 --> 00:41:29.159
This was the golden moment, This was the best summer ever,

792
00:41:30.079 --> 00:41:34.280
and then this event happened and it just kind of

793
00:41:34.320 --> 00:41:37.199
never had the same magic that it had before. So yeah,

794
00:41:37.320 --> 00:41:39.119
I think pivotal moment for.

795
00:41:39.119 --> 00:41:43.239
Sure, Dave, you can't argue with that. Yeah, okay, I

796
00:41:43.239 --> 00:41:45.559
completely agree with that. That's that is the perfect moment

797
00:41:45.559 --> 00:41:46.400
for this film.

798
00:41:46.920 --> 00:41:49.239
Might be this might be the first time since we've

799
00:41:49.239 --> 00:41:51.280
been doing the pivotal moment, Like I think we've been

800
00:41:51.280 --> 00:41:52.960
out of what a couple of seasons now, yeah, this

801
00:41:53.039 --> 00:41:55.679
might be the first time. It's like a cons general consensus,

802
00:41:55.760 --> 00:41:59.679
like yeah, that's right, all right, good, good deal. One

803
00:41:59.679 --> 00:42:02.360
more don't want to talk about. And I want to

804
00:42:02.360 --> 00:42:05.719
bring this one up for the very important reason of

805
00:42:05.840 --> 00:42:07.039
of just because.

806
00:42:10.480 --> 00:42:12.519
I have a feeling I know what you're going to

807
00:42:12.599 --> 00:42:13.280
talk about that.

808
00:42:13.519 --> 00:42:15.760
I am I about to talk about topless canoeing.

809
00:42:16.119 --> 00:42:18.559
Yes, yeah, we are.

810
00:42:19.000 --> 00:42:23.519
This shot of those three guys on the dock her like,

811
00:42:24.039 --> 00:42:25.199
I was like, oh, it's.

812
00:42:25.039 --> 00:42:31.760
My boys, Kimberly Williams Now listen, it's it's tasteful. This

813
00:42:31.840 --> 00:42:35.239
is yeah, what is this PG thirteen? PG? I can't

814
00:42:35.280 --> 00:42:36.639
remember I remember.

815
00:42:36.880 --> 00:42:39.639
I don't even remember a lot of potty words.

816
00:42:39.280 --> 00:42:41.760
So not really. I mean, there's there's there's some pot

817
00:42:41.760 --> 00:42:44.920
smoking and some sexual endo stuff, but yeah, it's probably's

818
00:42:44.920 --> 00:42:50.559
probably PG. But you know, I'll tell you. Uh, Kimberly Williams.

819
00:42:50.599 --> 00:42:54.519
Just just the bare back of Kimberly Williams. That's it

820
00:42:54.599 --> 00:42:57.119
is a nice scene and just the grins on these

821
00:42:57.159 --> 00:42:59.840
guys faces as she she pulls up. You know, she's

822
00:42:59.840 --> 00:43:06.239
been fighting with with with Jamie. You know, she's like, yeah,

823
00:43:06.360 --> 00:43:07.119
well he is a jerk.

824
00:43:08.800 --> 00:43:11.679
I was like, where is Annie from Father of the Bride? Like,

825
00:43:11.840 --> 00:43:17.840
what is this dormat girl that she's playing? And then

826
00:43:18.239 --> 00:43:21.719
she finds her. Yeah.

827
00:43:22.000 --> 00:43:25.719
I love the fact that her her way of getting

828
00:43:25.760 --> 00:43:30.000
even with her you know, shitty boyfriend is to just

829
00:43:30.039 --> 00:43:31.960
flaun it in front of the rest of the gime.

830
00:43:32.039 --> 00:43:34.960
You know, he's been treating her like a barbie the

831
00:43:34.960 --> 00:43:40.599
whole time and just look pretty and okay.

832
00:43:39.480 --> 00:43:42.280
Well I love that he immediately becomes a child and

833
00:43:42.320 --> 00:43:47.079
he's like, Lou, tell her she's gonna go, and she's like, goes, Lou, No,

834
00:43:50.719 --> 00:43:54.079
she's you know. But even even in that moment where

835
00:43:55.000 --> 00:43:59.400
that's you could argue that might be an offensive gesture,

836
00:43:59.639 --> 00:44:02.199
you know, in front of some strangers, but I like

837
00:44:02.280 --> 00:44:04.840
that she's like apologetic about She's like, hey, I'm sorry,

838
00:44:05.239 --> 00:44:07.480
you know, but Jamie needs to learn not to overwhun

839
00:44:07.519 --> 00:44:11.320
his toys. And I think it's Elizabeth. Yeah, I like

840
00:44:11.360 --> 00:44:13.599
Elizabeth Parkins. She's like I like this girl. You know,

841
00:44:15.880 --> 00:44:20.480
definitely not the pivotal moment, but definitely worth worth mentioning.

842
00:44:20.159 --> 00:44:22.320
Any Am there any other scenes that you you wanted

843
00:44:22.320 --> 00:44:23.480
to call out? Yes?

844
00:44:23.639 --> 00:44:27.719
I love the scene when Elizabeth Perkins and Vincent Spano

845
00:44:27.840 --> 00:44:31.440
are like, they sneak off to one of the cabins

846
00:44:31.559 --> 00:44:33.480
and you know, you can tell they were like kind

847
00:44:33.519 --> 00:44:36.360
of boyfriend girlfriend back in the day or whatever, and

848
00:44:36.360 --> 00:44:40.280
they're kind of being flirty but not really and Luke

849
00:44:40.360 --> 00:44:47.360
comes in and he used a gut shit here. It

850
00:44:47.480 --> 00:44:50.840
was so like such a classy way of getting them

851
00:44:50.880 --> 00:44:55.400
out of there before they did something stupid and you know,

852
00:44:55.800 --> 00:44:58.599
but funny at the same time. And I just loved

853
00:44:58.679 --> 00:44:59.320
that scene.

854
00:45:00.920 --> 00:45:04.920
Am i am? I interrupting? No, okay, Yeah, the stension here,

855
00:45:05.000 --> 00:45:09.519
oh you can still smell it. I think just doing

856
00:45:09.559 --> 00:45:11.239
his best to just turn them both off.

857
00:45:11.599 --> 00:45:15.679
Yeah, he was really watching out for him. He didn't

858
00:45:15.679 --> 00:45:18.239
want to to make a mistake. Yeah, and you know

859
00:45:18.400 --> 00:45:20.320
that was Uncle Lou being Uncle Lou. He's watching out

860
00:45:20.320 --> 00:45:22.119
for him. So I like that scene, to be honest

861
00:45:22.159 --> 00:45:23.679
with you, I actually have that highlighted and I was

862
00:45:23.679 --> 00:45:25.519
going to talk about that Embercy, you beat me to it.

863
00:45:25.960 --> 00:45:27.559
Yeah, no, no, no, no, no no.

864
00:45:27.599 --> 00:45:30.519
It just shows you that it is exactly Yeah. I

865
00:45:30.559 --> 00:45:32.280
really I really like that scene just because of that

866
00:45:32.320 --> 00:45:35.320
mere fact from my uncle Lou. The other one that

867
00:45:35.320 --> 00:45:38.440
I appreciate, too, is just the simplicity of the moose.

868
00:45:40.119 --> 00:45:42.280
The kids really don't appreciate it there at the beginning,

869
00:45:42.679 --> 00:45:44.199
and then when they come back to the camp, they

870
00:45:44.239 --> 00:45:47.360
still kind of don't appreciate it. And then at the end,

871
00:45:48.119 --> 00:45:50.000
you know, when you get the two characters who are

872
00:45:50.000 --> 00:45:52.239
taking over the camp or sitting there watching the moose

873
00:45:52.280 --> 00:45:54.840
and do appreciate what's going on in front of them,

874
00:45:54.880 --> 00:45:57.440
just showing how much they understand at that point and

875
00:45:57.480 --> 00:45:59.599
that they're the ones that's going to take over. I like,

876
00:45:59.679 --> 00:46:01.639
that's that's a good book ending for it. See.

877
00:46:01.800 --> 00:46:05.760
I struggled with that because I have a friend who

878
00:46:06.960 --> 00:46:10.159
is a dog musher, and they referred to moose as

879
00:46:10.239 --> 00:46:15.440
murder ponies. When you're in the Iditarod, they will attack

880
00:46:15.519 --> 00:46:18.280
your dog sled and kill your dogs and kill you

881
00:46:18.519 --> 00:46:22.119
and they are incredibly dangerous animals. So the whole time

882
00:46:22.440 --> 00:46:24.599
they're like looking in on and they're like ten feet

883
00:46:24.599 --> 00:46:26.599
away and people are inside.

884
00:46:30.119 --> 00:46:31.920
The photography is going like, oh, we can get some

885
00:46:31.960 --> 00:46:32.519
good pictures.

886
00:46:34.840 --> 00:46:36.719
Dave, use that long lens you take to the convention.

887
00:46:36.840 --> 00:46:40.599
I wouldn't want to get too close. I'll tell you

888
00:46:40.599 --> 00:46:43.079
another one more. I didn't have my list, but just

889
00:46:43.119 --> 00:46:47.480
the more we talk about this movie, I love the boxing. Yeah,

890
00:46:47.599 --> 00:46:49.559
I love I love that Who is it? Matt and

891
00:46:49.679 --> 00:46:53.000
Jamie are kind of having words and then lose, like, oh,

892
00:46:53.199 --> 00:46:55.199
grab the gloves, let's sell it in the ring. You know.

893
00:46:55.480 --> 00:46:58.760
I love that idea of conflict resolution. It goes against

894
00:46:59.199 --> 00:47:02.920
like my entire but I liked it and it is good.

895
00:47:03.000 --> 00:47:08.760
Yeah, yeah, I think it's great. I really do. Uh

896
00:47:08.840 --> 00:47:11.360
let's take one last break and uh we'll come back.

897
00:47:11.400 --> 00:47:15.840
We'll start wrapping things up. All right. As we start

898
00:47:15.880 --> 00:47:18.239
to wrap things up, I want to put you both

899
00:47:18.280 --> 00:47:21.639
on the spot here. I want to start with Amber. Amber,

900
00:47:22.480 --> 00:47:26.239
you're sneaking out for a dirty dog with one of

901
00:47:26.280 --> 00:47:29.880
these guys. Uh, it is the choice Bill Paxton because

902
00:47:29.920 --> 00:47:32.960
he he's got that speedo where he's he's he's jamming

903
00:47:32.960 --> 00:47:34.960
out to his music and and and swimming and the

904
00:47:34.960 --> 00:47:38.079
girls are like, hey, he's looking good. Is it? Matt?

905
00:47:38.159 --> 00:47:39.559
Is it is? It? Is it? The King of Shreks,

906
00:47:39.599 --> 00:47:41.920
Kevin Pollack. Who who you sneaking off with the Amber?

907
00:47:42.679 --> 00:47:45.000
I do love that scene where he dives in off

908
00:47:45.039 --> 00:47:47.480
the tower. So it would definitely be Bill Paxton.

909
00:47:48.079 --> 00:47:51.280
Bill Paxton in the speedo, right, Yes, Okay, he's got

910
00:47:51.320 --> 00:47:53.280
that hair, He's got that roddy piper hair. He's got

911
00:47:53.280 --> 00:47:57.639
that all right, he's artsy. You know you didn't even

912
00:47:57.679 --> 00:47:58.440
have to think about it.

913
00:47:58.480 --> 00:47:59.239
You just know.

914
00:48:00.800 --> 00:48:03.480
You're still It's a Han solo questionnaire. I gave you

915
00:48:03.679 --> 00:48:11.599
on you all right, Dave, the same question, only the

916
00:48:11.679 --> 00:48:17.000
decision is much more difficult because we're talking about Elizabeth

917
00:48:17.000 --> 00:48:20.280
Perkins and this is around the time she did Big

918
00:48:20.599 --> 00:48:25.239
and she is definitely a smoke show. Diane Lane. Dian Lane,

919
00:48:25.239 --> 00:48:28.880
who started life as a smoke show back with Like

920
00:48:29.400 --> 00:48:32.079
the Outsiders and and continues to be a stoke show.

921
00:48:32.199 --> 00:48:32.760
A smoke show.

922
00:48:32.840 --> 00:48:35.679
Yeah, I know, yeah, like when we're old and gray,

923
00:48:35.840 --> 00:48:39.280
she will also still be a smoke show. I might

924
00:48:39.280 --> 00:48:41.119
have just tipped my hat on, tip my hand on.

925
00:48:41.400 --> 00:48:45.079
I'm picking here. Julie Warner, This is this is, this

926
00:48:45.119 --> 00:48:49.039
is this is doc Hollywood era Julie Warner, and then

927
00:48:49.079 --> 00:48:52.679
again topless Canoeing Kim Kimberly Williams. Dave, who you sneaking

928
00:48:52.719 --> 00:48:53.840
off with for a dirty Dog?

929
00:48:54.599 --> 00:48:57.519
Without question, it's got to be Beth. Come on, it's

930
00:48:57.519 --> 00:49:02.559
it's Diane Lane. You can't argue with that. Yeah, absolutely

931
00:49:02.599 --> 00:49:02.960
it is.

932
00:49:03.760 --> 00:49:10.079
I would Lane, Bill, Bill Paxton or died Lane. I'm

933
00:49:10.079 --> 00:49:14.079
not sure, you know. I gotta be honest, Dave. If

934
00:49:14.320 --> 00:49:17.199
if Elizabeth Perkins and Julie Warner are like, hey, come

935
00:49:17.239 --> 00:49:19.679
sneak off with us, or you can sneak off of Dylane,

936
00:49:19.719 --> 00:49:21.239
I'm still picked. I still pick a Dyn Lane.

937
00:49:21.519 --> 00:49:21.760
Yeah.

938
00:49:21.800 --> 00:49:26.360
Absolutely, Yeah, It's it's all right, Dave. We've been talking

939
00:49:26.880 --> 00:49:31.920
last couple episodes. Uh, Bill Paxton, not that anyone is

940
00:49:32.320 --> 00:49:36.840
unfamiliar with his, uh his body of work, but if

941
00:49:36.840 --> 00:49:38.719
someone saw Indian Summer and they said, hey, man, I

942
00:49:38.760 --> 00:49:41.519
really like that guy Bill Paxton, someone like Amber's, like,

943
00:49:41.559 --> 00:49:45.199
I really liked him in that Speedo? Can you give

944
00:49:45.280 --> 00:49:48.880
us anymore Bill Paxton? Dave, what three Bill Paxton movies

945
00:49:48.880 --> 00:49:51.840
would you suggest they watch outside of Indian Summer.

946
00:49:52.239 --> 00:49:56.639
I'm going to recommend Twister obviously, I'm going to recommend

947
00:49:56.679 --> 00:50:01.360
I'll follow thirteen obviously. Fred Hayes frets up and I

948
00:50:01.360 --> 00:50:05.079
am obviously going to recommend Aliens.

949
00:50:05.119 --> 00:50:06.360
Dave Virtual High five.

950
00:50:06.400 --> 00:50:09.760
We have the same all right, but that's the exact

951
00:50:09.800 --> 00:50:15.119
same listening. I think one of my favorite moments, my

952
00:50:15.440 --> 00:50:19.480
favorite Bill Paxton moment and Apollo thirteen is he throws

953
00:50:19.599 --> 00:50:22.559
up mm hmm and then Tom Hanks is like, Hey,

954
00:50:24.679 --> 00:50:27.039
we're gonna we're gonna sit down, We're gonna shut down

955
00:50:27.079 --> 00:50:29.079
these systems. And then Jack and I will eat and

956
00:50:29.119 --> 00:50:33.400
he's like, hey, I'm hungry too. He just threw up, dude,

957
00:50:34.480 --> 00:50:38.440
space vomit. Okay, space vomit. I'm gonna point something out

958
00:50:38.480 --> 00:50:44.079
here because again, this is a Mike Binder film. Didn't

959
00:50:44.280 --> 00:50:45.840
you know he's done a lot of TV work, He's

960
00:50:45.840 --> 00:50:48.280
done some music videos, I think, Uh, but I do

961
00:50:48.360 --> 00:50:51.599
want to point out for the Mike Binder fans, uh

962
00:50:51.639 --> 00:50:54.760
two films to other films that he wrote and directed

963
00:50:54.760 --> 00:50:58.079
that I would recommend checking out. There's two thousand and

964
00:50:58.119 --> 00:51:01.559
Five's the Upside of Anger. You guys see that one.

965
00:51:01.800 --> 00:51:07.920
Kevin Kevin Costner, Uh, Joan Joan Allen. Yeah. And then

966
00:51:07.960 --> 00:51:10.639
like a bunch of like the four the girls that

967
00:51:10.679 --> 00:51:16.280
play her daughters, they're all they're no you got you

968
00:51:16.280 --> 00:51:20.360
know their nineties girls. Whatever, Oh my gosh, but you know,

969
00:51:20.440 --> 00:51:21.760
Kevin Dave, you didn't see this one?

970
00:51:21.960 --> 00:51:22.559
No, I have not.

971
00:51:23.079 --> 00:51:25.719
Kevin Costner is okay. So Joe Allen, her husband just

972
00:51:25.760 --> 00:51:29.920
mysteriously disappears, and she's super pissed because she feels that

973
00:51:29.960 --> 00:51:35.519
she's been just abandoned. So she's raising the teenage girls. Meanwhile,

974
00:51:35.599 --> 00:51:39.519
her neighbor happens to be Kevin Costner, who is a

975
00:51:39.639 --> 00:51:44.079
former baseball player turned radio DJ. So basically he's you know,

976
00:51:45.039 --> 00:51:47.960
it's bull drum only he's retired, but you know, and

977
00:51:47.960 --> 00:51:50.440
it's there's this whole will they won't they? And you know,

978
00:51:50.440 --> 00:51:51.920
I don't want to spoil the movie for anyone hasn't

979
00:51:51.920 --> 00:51:54.639
seen it, but there's a reason why her husband is missing,

980
00:51:54.639 --> 00:51:57.079
and then that kind of throws a wrench in the

981
00:51:57.079 --> 00:52:00.920
potential romance. But good film, definitely work checking.

982
00:52:01.320 --> 00:52:02.960
I thought I saw it, but I haven't. I'm gonna

983
00:52:02.960 --> 00:52:03.559
have to watch so.

984
00:52:03.679 --> 00:52:04.159
Yeah, me too.

985
00:52:04.440 --> 00:52:07.239
Che really really good Joe Allen performance, I gotta be honest.

986
00:52:07.320 --> 00:52:10.840
One of her better performances, I think. Two thousand and seven,

987
00:52:10.880 --> 00:52:13.719
he did a film called Rain Over Me with Adam Sandler.

988
00:52:14.199 --> 00:52:17.800
It's kind of like a post nine to eleven, dealing

989
00:52:17.800 --> 00:52:21.199
with trauma. Adam Sandler is not playing Adam Sandler. He's

990
00:52:21.239 --> 00:52:25.719
playing like this just tortured, shell shocked guy who's lost

991
00:52:25.719 --> 00:52:32.000
his family on September eleventh, and really good, really good performances.

992
00:52:32.000 --> 00:52:34.039
And I would I recommend those two movies if you

993
00:52:34.239 --> 00:52:38.960
like Mike Bender, Mike Binder's direction, definitely check those two out.

994
00:52:39.800 --> 00:52:43.719
Amber your recommendation. Where'd you watch Indian Summer?

995
00:52:45.000 --> 00:52:46.880
I rented it on Prime?

996
00:52:47.440 --> 00:52:48.960
Okay, me too, Me too?

997
00:52:49.199 --> 00:52:50.119
Two times?

998
00:52:52.639 --> 00:52:56.000
Listen. It's one of my favorite Bill Paxson performances. I

999
00:52:56.079 --> 00:52:59.639
watched it on Amazon, but I'm definitely adding a physical

1000
00:52:59.639 --> 00:53:01.960
copy to my collection because you never know when the

1001
00:53:01.960 --> 00:53:05.280
streamers will decide not to stream what you want to watch, right,

1002
00:53:05.400 --> 00:53:09.599
So I think this belongs on the shelf, right, yeah, Dave?

1003
00:53:09.880 --> 00:53:10.320
I think so?

1004
00:53:10.800 --> 00:53:14.559
Yeah. This is a fun double feature with meat balls.

1005
00:53:15.559 --> 00:53:19.360
Great double feature choice. So you're going with the who

1006
00:53:19.400 --> 00:53:19.599
is it?

1007
00:53:19.639 --> 00:53:19.760
As?

1008
00:53:19.800 --> 00:53:24.239
It a what's his name? That played? Jamie?

1009
00:53:25.119 --> 00:53:25.360
Was he?

1010
00:53:27.320 --> 00:53:28.760
Matt Craven, Matt Matt Craven?

1011
00:53:29.840 --> 00:53:30.159
Features?

1012
00:53:30.280 --> 00:53:32.280
Was she? Was he? Wheels? Dave? I can't remember.

1013
00:53:32.440 --> 00:53:33.079
I don't remember.

1014
00:53:37.039 --> 00:53:39.760
I always I always think of him in Crimson Tide

1015
00:53:40.480 --> 00:53:42.519
mm hmm. He was one of the insurgents with with

1016
00:53:43.039 --> 00:53:48.519
Geene Hatwin's side. Oh really, Yeah, he's got he's got

1017
00:53:48.519 --> 00:53:50.760
the great Uh, he's got that great line. When he's

1018
00:53:51.000 --> 00:53:54.400
he's trying to convince Denzel on the Russians actually attacking,

1019
00:53:54.440 --> 00:53:56.000
he's like, you don't put on a condum unless you're

1020
00:53:56.000 --> 00:54:01.000
gonna watch. I'll watch out for our sponsors there easy.

1021
00:54:02.079 --> 00:54:03.559
I won't complete the line.

1022
00:54:03.599 --> 00:54:06.480
But he was saving a few good men too.

1023
00:54:07.360 --> 00:54:09.239
Yeah, he's at the beginning of a fore you good men.

1024
00:54:09.320 --> 00:54:11.559
He's he's the guy that's wheeling and dealing with you

1025
00:54:11.800 --> 00:54:15.159
for me. Yeah, they still do that. I don't think

1026
00:54:15.199 --> 00:54:19.360
so die bad worth of a regnue.

1027
00:54:20.400 --> 00:54:22.480
My client's moron. That's not against.

1028
00:54:24.920 --> 00:54:27.880
Yeah, he's okay, so uh yeah, Matt the Matt Craven

1029
00:54:27.920 --> 00:54:30.599
double feature. Dave, you want to are you doing the

1030
00:54:30.599 --> 00:54:32.119
Matt Craven double feature? You got something?

1031
00:54:33.880 --> 00:54:34.679
Sorry, I got it?

1032
00:54:34.679 --> 00:54:39.440
He was hard, Yeah, Dave? Can I can? I can?

1033
00:54:39.480 --> 00:54:44.000
I guess what your double feature is with the Indian Summer?

1034
00:54:44.480 --> 00:54:44.760
Sure?

1035
00:54:45.639 --> 00:54:52.920
Is it Friday? Maybe? Yes, that's not a wrong answer,

1036
00:54:53.039 --> 00:54:54.840
and I think that's mine. It is.

1037
00:54:55.000 --> 00:54:56.159
That is the correct answer.

1038
00:54:57.840 --> 00:55:00.239
Look, I would be that guy. But the whole time

1039
00:55:00.280 --> 00:55:03.639
I'm watching Indian Summer, I'm like, why hasn't someone done

1040
00:55:03.639 --> 00:55:07.239
a mash up on YouTube and made like a trailer

1041
00:55:07.440 --> 00:55:08.840
or something with Jason.

1042
00:55:09.000 --> 00:55:11.599
You changed the soundtrack just a little bit. This is

1043
00:55:11.599 --> 00:55:12.280
a horror movie.

1044
00:55:12.880 --> 00:55:16.320
Yeah, man, I'm working on this now.

1045
00:55:16.679 --> 00:55:18.480
Yeah, Dave, let's do like a mash up. Put it

1046
00:55:18.519 --> 00:55:22.039
up Patriot, Like, you just insert a couple Jason shots,

1047
00:55:22.159 --> 00:55:25.239
you know, it would totally work there.

1048
00:55:25.760 --> 00:55:28.039
And he just like peaks around the tree.

1049
00:55:28.679 --> 00:55:31.880
Yeah, like he's tight shot on Uncle Loo And then

1050
00:55:31.920 --> 00:55:38.280
you hear can you can you hear Alan Arkin? Like

1051
00:55:38.280 --> 00:55:40.840
maybe he was Jason's dad. He's like, hey, Jason was

1052
00:55:40.880 --> 00:55:42.639
my son and today's his birthday.

1053
00:55:42.800 --> 00:55:45.000
There's his birthday.

1054
00:55:47.119 --> 00:55:50.960
We're onto something we are I like it. Listeners, what

1055
00:55:51.000 --> 00:55:54.000
do you think of Mike Binder's nineteen ninety three film

1056
00:55:54.079 --> 00:55:58.320
Indian Summer starring Bill Paxton? Have you seen it? Does

1057
00:55:58.360 --> 00:55:59.719
it make you want to go back to camp? Like

1058
00:55:59.760 --> 00:56:02.199
it does us? You can let us know on social media.

1059
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You'll find us on Facebook, Instagram, and x You can

1060
00:56:05.440 --> 00:56:07.480
check out a Film by a Podcast dot com for

1061
00:56:07.880 --> 00:56:10.079
all of our episodes. Uh, there's even a link to

1062
00:56:10.119 --> 00:56:12.400
Patreon there, so if you're like, hey, what's this Patreon

1063
00:56:12.440 --> 00:56:16.719
thing about. Uh check it out because we actually have

1064
00:56:16.760 --> 00:56:20.800
a lot of free episodes right amber. Yes, and we

1065
00:56:20.920 --> 00:56:24.800
also stuff over the good stuff, the exclusive stuff that

1066
00:56:24.840 --> 00:56:28.159
we we do just for the listeners on Patreon. If

1067
00:56:28.159 --> 00:56:31.039
you're like, I don't know, sign up, do a We

1068
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got like a seven day free trial. You just you

1069
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get in there, you check it out. If you don't

1070
00:56:34.639 --> 00:56:36.760
like it, you just you just turn it off no

1071
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charge or for like the low low cost. I think

1072
00:56:39.679 --> 00:56:43.280
it's like three bucks, you know, right, you know there's

1073
00:56:43.280 --> 00:56:45.400
different tiers like you can you can be like the

1074
00:56:46.320 --> 00:56:49.400
you know, be a big spender like some of the people,

1075
00:56:49.480 --> 00:56:51.119
and you know, you get your own episodes, like you

1076
00:56:51.119 --> 00:56:53.000
can tell us which which ones to do. We've got

1077
00:56:53.000 --> 00:56:55.440
a couple that do that. But uh check it out

1078
00:56:55.679 --> 00:56:57.599
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1079
00:56:57.719 --> 00:57:00.239
dirty dog us. Just get in there, sign up up,

1080
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1082
00:57:06.320 --> 00:57:08.360
get them all down, let them get out. You know

1083
00:57:08.679 --> 00:57:11.320
I won't I'll be mad. You know, you might stay,

1084
00:57:11.400 --> 00:57:16.639
we don't know, but you'll be back. Well listen, I

1085
00:57:16.679 --> 00:57:20.199
know you two will be back. We got so much

1086
00:57:20.239 --> 00:57:26.599
fun stuff planned, uh coming up in the month of June, July, August,

1087
00:57:26.599 --> 00:57:28.519
like we're gonna we got it, awesome summer plan we do.

1088
00:57:29.480 --> 00:57:32.519
We are right, We're did you guys realize we are

1089
00:57:32.559 --> 00:57:34.760
closing in on episode four hundred?

1090
00:57:35.599 --> 00:57:36.280
That's crazy?

1091
00:57:36.320 --> 00:57:38.159
Oh my gosh.

1092
00:57:38.440 --> 00:57:40.440
I'm not gonna reveal I'm not gonna reveal it, but

1093
00:57:40.480 --> 00:57:43.400
there's something awesome happening on episode four hundred. We got

1094
00:57:43.400 --> 00:57:45.599
we got something really cool planned for episode four hundred,

1095
00:57:45.639 --> 00:57:49.960
So stick around for that, that's right, and stick around

1096
00:57:50.199 --> 00:57:53.159
next week. Jason Colvin from the Surely You Can't Be

1097
00:57:53.199 --> 00:57:57.880
Serious Podcast, we'll join us to wrap up Bill Paxton month. Uh,

1098
00:57:57.960 --> 00:58:01.599
he's got some fun stuff planned for us. Amber Dave,

1099
00:58:01.840 --> 00:58:03.599
I thank you. We got to do more of these

1100
00:58:03.800 --> 00:58:06.280
where the three of us are together. I'm I'm not

1101
00:58:06.320 --> 00:58:08.280
you know, I'm not hating on the rest of our team.

1102
00:58:08.360 --> 00:58:11.320
You know. I love Garrett Andrew, Wayne Scott, the whole crew.

1103
00:58:11.880 --> 00:58:13.320
This is the Harry Potter trio right here.

1104
00:58:13.440 --> 00:58:24.840
Yes, it's yeah, Sherlock Holmes trio. Right, okay, well listen, uh,

1105
00:58:24.880 --> 00:58:27.159
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1106
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