Sept. 30, 2024

Mike Nichols - Wolf

Mike Nichols - Wolf
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Season 5 A Film By...

Amber and Jeff offer their thoughts on the unique blend of horror and dark comedy in Mike Nichols' 1994 romantic horror thriller, Wolf. After suffering a bite from a wolf, Jack Nicholson delivers a primal performance as a man struggling with his identity, dangerous power, and the wildness lurking within each of us!

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It's October. We've got a lot of spooky stuff for

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our listeners this month. So let's jump in with a

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movie starring Michelle Pfeiffer dealing with animal attraction.

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Amber, we already did that this season. Remember Lady Hawk,

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she was in love with the guy who was a

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wolf by night.

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I'm not talking about Rugger Howard. I'm talking about Jack Nicholson.

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Right, So you don't mean the one where she fell

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in love with a wolf. You're talking about the one

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where she falls for Jack Nicholson. We did that too.

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Remember we discussed Whitches of Eastwickers.

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Jeff, I'm talking about the one where she falls in

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love with a wolf starring Jack Nicholson.

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Oh okay, then let's talk about a film by Mike Nichols,

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his nineteen ninety four romantic horror film Wolf. Hello everyone,

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and welcome back. I'm Jeff Johnson, I'm Amber Lewis, and

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this is a film Buy podcast Amber. Before we begin,

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Welcome friends, Yeah.

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You can get in on all of it. But let's

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get to it. Amber. I want to talk about Wolf.

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And I'm a little worried about your synopsis because the

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last one you gave me on the text thread was,

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and I'm quoting here, it's a film you'll watch it.

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Can you tell us about Mike Nichols Wolf?

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Well, the IMDb synopsis is about that succinct. It just

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says publisher Will Randall becomes a demon wolf and has

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to fight to keep his job demon wolf.

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Did you notice. I mean, let's let's call it what

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it is. This is a werewolf movie. And yes, at

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no point during this movie, and I've watched it many

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many times, at no point do they ever use the

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word werewolf, which I can kind of.

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Like because it you know, where wolf can be a

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little it can feel melodramatic?

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Does it does it give this film a little more gravitas?

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Like does it make it a little more real that

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people aren't using the term wolf man or where wolf?

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You think?

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I think so because I'll be honest, I hadn't watched

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this since it first came out. So it came out

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on on DVD or video or whatever, and I watched it,

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and I haven't watched it since, so I had like

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almost no memory of anything.

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Whoa no memory?

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Okay, Yeah, Like I literally was like watching it for

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the first time. So the whole time in the beginning,

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I was kind of like, is it's Mike Nichols, Like

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is the wolf thing a metaphor? Like is he really

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gonna turn a top wolf? Is it some kind of

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psychological thing? Like what is happening? But I liked how

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it played out where like you weren't really sure are

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we watching something supernatural or we just you know, watching

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a guy go through a mid life crisis.

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Yeah. Well there's even moments in the in the scene

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like there's a moment where Michelle Pfeifer's character tells him

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like you might have a brain tumor, Like, yeah, you're

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you're symptomatic. Let's get in my rye before we Yeah,

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he's like, oh, I wish I had that, and she's

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like yeah, I mean wow, let's jump into this one.

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Jack Nicholson playing editor in chief Will Randall Amber this

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is This is a bit of a passion project for Jack.

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He gets final say on who directs the film, and

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Mike Nichols is his only choice, which makes this their

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fourth and final collaboration.

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I was gonna say it wasn't surprising because they work

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so well together. But I love Jack's performance in this.

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He is amazing, so like subtle and he's kind of

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playing like a schlove at the beginning. But it's not

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real forced comedic, you know, like the guy who spills

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coffee on his tie, you know, and stuff like that.

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It's just real life world Weary's.

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A bit of a sad sack. Yeah. Yeah, he's kind

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of burned out, kind of down on his luck.

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Grass making these changes at work. Then.

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Yeah, he's about out.

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The door for a younger guy.

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Yeah. Before we get too deep into this, I do

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we got to talk about the wolf makeup because we're

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talking about special makeup effects. Legend Rick Baker, He's the

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guy responsible am or he makes an informed decision to

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kind of take inspiration from famous creature makeup artist of

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the nineteen thirties and forties, Jack P. Pierce, who worked

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on all the Universal Monster movies. And when you when

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you see how Jack looks, when you see how how

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James Spader looks, it's definitely got like that Wolfman of

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London feel too, and it's got that old skill.

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It made me think of the Spencer Tracy version of

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Jacqueline Hyde where they did his transformation. Yeah, the makeup

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was very reminiscent of that because they didn't go too

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over the top with the hide makeup in that movie.

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Yeah. Did you happen upon the funny story that, uh,

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that Rick Baker has doing doing makeup for Jack Nicholson?

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Did you see that?

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Are you talking about the spirit gum story?

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Yes, tell me about the spirit gum story.

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The story that I read was that Jack had of

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course famously done special effects makeup before for the Jokers,

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so he knew that he was allergic to spirit gum,

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and he told Rick Baker this, well, you don't really

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like spirit gum. It's not very It's effective, but not comfortable,

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sir Rick Baker was like, ah, he's just winging like

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fine and used it anyway, And I think maybe there

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was like a mistake there too, like you grab the

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wrong thing or something. Yeah, deliberately like use it. But anyway,

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Jack comes in the next day with like a horrible

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rash and he was just I could just hear his

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voice go like, yeah, he is the spirit, didn't you?

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Yeah to get I'm so sorry, yeah, causing Ricky boy, Yeah,

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Ricky boy, you use the spirit yea, yeah, because because

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Baker had some medical adhesive which takes a lot longer,

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does not work as well. And what I what I'd

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read about was he did mistakenly use the James Spader spirit. Gum.

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Oh is that what it was?

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Yeah? Well, and what do you do when Jack Nicholson

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walks in with a swollen red face.

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That's what I'm saying.

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All you do apologize.

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Like Jack from the Shining like coming in like darling,

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like my life.

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Yeah, you know, Rick Baker is apologizing profusely, and Jack

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just says, let's not happen. Let's not let it happen again.

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You're probably gonna be very careful with the spirit. Come

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at that point, Oh my god, yes, Now I love

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Jack's performance in this This is this was It's one

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of my favorite Jack Nicholson performances probably. But let's talk

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about Michelle Pfeiffer. She's playing Laura Alden.

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Okay, I have thoughts. Are we doing spoilers?

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Yeah, this movie's been on since ninety four. We can

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one double.

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Check she percent is the wolf that bit him in

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the beginning.

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Well, hold on, just okay, settle down.

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Like I was blown away when we got to the

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end of the movie.

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I was like I had I had a theory that

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I was gonna try and wow you with.

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Oh I'm so sorry.

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No, no, yeah, well listen, you are astute. Let's kick that.

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Let's kick that down the road for a minute. We'll

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get to that. But before we get to that, so

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let's talk about the role of Laura Alden. Sharon Stone says, no, no,

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thank you. A nett binning also turns it down.

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I think a net betting might have been interesting.

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I definitely think a net binning would have been interesting.

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I could, I can, and I can definitely see her

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having chemistry with Jack, but ultimately it's it's a miss Pfeiffer.

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She asks for the part because after Batman returns in

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the Age of Innocence, she didn't want to do another accent,

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didn't want to put on a wig, didn't want to

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put on another corset, and instead just wanted to do

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something more modern, And on top of that, she just

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wanted to work with Nicholson again and Mike Nichols. So yeah,

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it's I'm looking. I'm looking at my notes, Amber, and

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my next note, I just I'm gonna read it to you.

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I have a theory I want to throw at you

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about her character, but I'll save it for later. So

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I love the fact that you're like, are we talking spoilers? Sure,

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she's the word right to the end. Yeah, yeah, Amber Lewis,

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it's a film. You'll watch it and then closing credits.

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And then at the end. Yeah, everyone does at the end.

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But I think it you're blown away at the end

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if you make that connection, just because there was nothing

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to really hint at it before. But if you look

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at her performance and the character that she develops, this

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is Michelle Pfiffer being very like, very hard and kind

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of aggressive, and you know she doesn't fall for all

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of Jack's charm right away. You know, she's kind of

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holding everybody at a distance, So that could you know,

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into that idea of you know, she's an alpha predator

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that just kind of does her own thing, and.

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Well, we're gonna we're doing it now because I got

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I got thoughts too.

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So sorry, I can't. I can't stay away from it

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because it blew my mind when we got to the

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end of the movie.

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No, no, I'm totally cool with it. Let's let's do this.

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Here's the thing. At no point is she ever bitten,

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not by Jack, not by James Spader. So it would

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make sense because we know at the end of this film,

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you know she has the eyes, she's we got that

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weird tracking through the through the the wilderness type of shot,

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whether she's clearly a wolf or she's about to become one.

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I had just a little bit of a like, wait

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a minute kind of moment when they had their their

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love scene.

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Yeah, and.

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She sort of rolls towards him in bed and you

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can see her naked back and she has this like

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tattoo on our shoulder, like on our shoulder blade.

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Uh huh, yeah, right shoulder, and.

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I that just triggered me for some reason. I was like,

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that means that is what's going on. So I kind

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of feel like maybe that was a clue or something like.

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See now, now you got me wanting to watch Michelle

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Feiffer movies to see if that's if that's actually like, oh,

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Michelle Pfiffer got a tattoo on spring or if it's

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something because what I had.

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To google it, but like.

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A spider or yeah, something was something a little on

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this like.

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I could see her having a tattoo, but probably not

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that I don't know.

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It's interesting, but listen, I mean, the only way she

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becomes a wolf in the middle of this movie would

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be the love scene, which I've never all the werewolf

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movies I've seen, I don't think getting busy with the

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wolf man necessarily turns you into werewolf.

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You have to be. So there is a pretty significant

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gap between you know, her kind of bidding him farewell

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at the end, and then the kind of epilogue of

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the cops showing up and her dad's showing up and

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she comes out of the house and she looks completely different,

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like she had time, even if she wasn't aware of

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she had time to shower, change her clothes, put on makeup,

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do her hair.

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Like, Oh, she comes out in the slinky, like all

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black outfit where she looks like she's about to, you know,

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do some mission impossible break in shit.

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Yeah, so you know, there was definitely time for Jack

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to be like, you want to come with me?

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you know, maybe he gives her a little I.

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I you know, you can support a few a theory,

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you can refute a theory. You can't prove a theory.

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But I'm supporting the theory. Michelle Pfeiffer was the wolf

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in Vermont that bites him at the beginning, because there.

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Like I thought that was gonna be the Spader reveal.

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I kind of forgot that Jack bit him, yep. And

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I thought the reveal was going to be at some

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point we were gonna find out like they were all

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fucking vampires or were wolves and you know, like Christopher

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kind of thing.

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Oh, that wouldn't have worked for me at all. I'm glad.

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I'm glad it's a pack with that wolf that he hit.

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There were several of them in the in the forest.

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And let's not forget she kinda is, uh, the black

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sheep of the family. She's gone for long periods of time.

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up whenever she wants to, and she purposely takes like

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the guest house, which is like a country mile from

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like Christopher Plumber is a state. So I don't know.

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I think I think she's I think she's a she wolf.

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But you mentioned Spader. Jace Spader playing Stuart Swinton. He

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is the protege of Jack's character. I I am a

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longtime fan of Spader. Yes, I think he rules. You know,

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I'm talking eighty Spader where I get it. You know,

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he perceivingly plays a jerk in some of some of

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the movies he does. But he's just too cool, you know. Yes,

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he's a little bit he's a little bit of a

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cad in this he's a little kind of he's kind

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of sniveling. I mean, I know he needs to be

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and I like, I like him in this, but this

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is not cool Spader, at least until he wolves out

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at the end. Then he's yeah, he's very cool Spader,

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but he's also a little invasion of your personal space.

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Yeah, you know what I'm doing that scene with Michelle Pfeiffer,

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I was like physically gagging.

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He's a little too close, isn't he?

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Like she played it so cool and like held it

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together so well, and I.

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Was just like, oh, well, just and I haven't watched

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this in a while, so I forgot that he's a

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little bit of a close talker in that moment, which

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he needs to be because now he's you know, he's

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the intimidating Spader, he's the threatening Spader. Yes, but the

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whole sniffing at her down below was I was like, whoa,

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I forgot all about that, And you're right, she she

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knows the situation that she's in and for her to

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play it as cool as she does, I thought it's

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a great moment for her character.

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of she wasn't just a damsel in distress in that moment,

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like she was kicked him in the face and smack.

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She's not the damsel or something. Yeah. I liked She's

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a fighter. I love her character. I love James Spader's character,

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just the fact that you know, you you know, you're like, oh, okay,

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he's an ally. Then we find out he's a backstabber,

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and then he's a shit shitty friend. Right.

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I mean, I love the scene in the bathroom. That

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was so funny.

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We're gonna get to that. We're gonna get to that.

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You put it in in that one. Okay. Uh more

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on this cast, let's suh. Kate Nelligan is playing Will's

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wife Charlotte.

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I've never seen her before. And interesting fact here, yeah

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I have. Where have I seen her?

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Have you seen the Franklin Jella Dracula?

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Of course it's awesome and she's in it. Mina, Okay, yeah,

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Forgot yep, And then a ton of things like you've

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seen her and stuff, you just.

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Aren't that Dracula. That's seventy nine, that's it's celebrating its

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forty fifth anniversary this year.

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I love that. My mom and I call that the

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sexy Dracula is so hot.

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That Jella is hot, Amber, Amber, you were talking about

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about Jack Nicholson being hot in the Witches of Ea Stuee.

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Now now we got sexy Franklin, Jella and Dracula. Yeah,

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I'm wondering here. I oh boy. Mia Farrow initially has

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this role and has to drop out due to scheduling

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conflicts arising from the Woody Allen scandal.

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Uh, which I think is a disappointment. I really like

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her as an actress, so I think she would have

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been fine.

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I think she would have been great. But you know,

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It's not much of a of a character, like I

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don't really understand why she was cheating on him, well,

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rather than just because.

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I would say that she was an opportunist, but I

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think there's that that that you know they're having that

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like the little dinner and she's talking. It sounds like

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she either she's a doctor or she's a pharmaceutical executive

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who's talking to journalists. She's a journalist.

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She's a journalist.

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I missed that.

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Then, Yeah, she wanted the story about oh that's what

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it was, like a science breakthrough and they put her

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on a story about like a breast cancer medication or something.

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makes sense why they'd be together then, because he's the

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editor of the publishing house, so okay, all right. Speaking

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of the publishing house, First off, you can't not notice

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that that that publishing house. The offices are the Bradbury Building,

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which is awesome.

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That whole interior is just breathtaking.

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I will always associate that building with Blade Runner. However,

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I mean it's been used time and time again in

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TV movies, music videos. Just just digging around about this building,

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I found out it's a National Historic Site and they

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actually do tours. So the next time I'm heading to California,

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You're heading to California.

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Soon add to my list.

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We add that to your list. Take some photos at

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Will Randall's office for us, because I think would be awesome.

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But Christopher Plummer, he's playing Raymond Alden. He's the new

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owner of the publishing house. He's he's the one making

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changes ambers. Speaking of changes that you wouldn't like. Initially,

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Marlon Brando was interested in this role. He would so

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far as to tell the producers, Hey, I think I

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want this, But they weren't interested in Brando. It was

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Plumber from from the get go.

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I mean, I love Christopher Plumber. I'm totally fine with this.

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Here's the thing, he I'm not gonna say, he's the

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villain of the film.

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But he's he's definitely the hinge.

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Yeah, he's he's certainly an adversary. Yes, he's so damn charming.

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You have to like it, right, I love I love

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Christopher Plumber the whole time, even though he's up he's well, yeah.

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He's more. I don't know that he's a villain. He's

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just very self involved. So he's very focused on his

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publishing house and what he wants to make it successful.

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And if that is, you know, hurtful to people losing

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their jobs, he's like, eh, well that's life, you know.

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So he's heartless. But he's very charming, is he is?

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He's charming? Is he is the perfect word for his

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performance in this He's he's a debonair man and he's charming.

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And I only wish we could add more scenes with him.

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Yes, yeah, I wanted a whole lot more of him.

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There were a lot of people. I mean, for this

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movie being two hours, which I definitely feel like they

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could have cut like thirty min's out, but there were

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characters that I wanted more of.

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Well, let's talk about one of those characters. David Hyde

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Pierce Old beloved Niles Crane. He's playing Roy, who isn't

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Will Randall's protege. But but is it feels.

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Like definitely more loyal to him.

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Oh, he's certainly loyal.

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Spader is like.

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Yeah, I think David Hyde Pierce gives this film a

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certain levity, like like I smile, I'm smiling when he

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when he's on the camp, when he's on the scene. Yeah,

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you know, because he just has these these quick little

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quips where he's he's enamored with Jack, you know, with

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Will Randall. But also, like you said, he's loyal, he's not.

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He's not a cartoon character of any sort. He's he's

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just you know, he's smart, he's he's fun. And this

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would be the one I would have wanted to see

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a lot more of him.

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Yeah, we could for sure.

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How about uh, you know, we're talking Frasier. Uh for

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a quick second, how about Alison Janney.

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She didn't like her film and the second like we go,

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we fade to black, and then we're fading in on

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this party and you hear her voice before you see her,

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and I love the West Wing so much and love

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her so much. The second I heard her voice, I

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was like, Alison what, Oh.

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Yeah, I had the same feeling. It's like, wait a mane, Alison,

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Jeanie's not in this. Uh there she is? She isn't it?

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And again back to Christopher Plumber being just so charming.

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She has some kind of odd ball statement and he

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just kind of kind of gives her the okay whatever,

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you know.

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But like you could tell she was melting even as

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he said, he kind of like blows her off.

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He try to rushes off and then she's like, oh

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he's so I'm.

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Like I'm like yeah, same, just same. I'm here.

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Yeah, I'll tell you what. Let's let's take a quick

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break and when we get back we can talk a

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little bit about this film's background. Welcome back. We are

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talking about Mike nichols nineteen ninety four demon wolf film

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Amber Wolf, So we kind of talked about this would

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This was a little bit of a passion project for

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Jack Nicholson. He spends twelve years trying to get this

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into production with his friend, author Jim Harrison, who, if

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the name sounds familiar, this is the guy that wrote

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Legends of the Fall. He wrote Revenge, which we covered

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gosh back in our second season. Ultimately the studio feels

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Harrison's script is a little too detailed and reads like

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a novel, which is not what you want to say

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to Jim Harrison. So he gets a little upset, he

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leaves the project, and because of this experience, he leaves

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Hollywood never comes back.

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I mean, that's just I saw that criticism and I

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kind of didn't get it. It's kind of well, like, OK,

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does that mean that studio producers just don't have the attention.

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Span to maybe I don't know.

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Maybe they were saying it was like six hundred pages

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and completely unproducible, like yeah, you know, it was more

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the structure. It sounded like they had a problem with him. Like, guys,

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you can work around this.

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I would love to get a look at the original

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script and see what Harrison was doing. At any rate,

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Wesley Strick is called in to punch it up. Now.

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I bring this up because one of his suggestions is

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to change the role of Raymond Olden, who is played

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by Christopher Plummer. His thought is, let's make that character

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her brother instead of her father. And this info is

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out there, it's being gossiped in Hollywood. You know, people

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are talking and it probably wouldn't have been a big

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deal if someone didn't show up to the studio and

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interrupt the production meeting asking for a meeting to discuss

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playing the brother Amber. Do you do you do you

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know who I'm talking about?

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Yes, only Mick Jagger walk a lot and be like

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I want to have a mating.

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Yeah. The Rolling Stones just showed up and you know,

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it's like, hey, I think I could do this, and

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the producers were like, I'm not telling him. You know,

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they look at him, they look at Wesley Strick. They're like,

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this was your idea to make him a brother and

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we're not doing that. So you go tell him. Could

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you imagine this guy is like, hey, make a big

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fan of.

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This word.

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Very often, it's gonna be a no. Yeah, tough day

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for Wesley Strick. Uh. In the production meetings, there's a

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couple of scenes I want to talk about Amber and

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I'm gonna I'm gonna kind of combine them. We're gonna

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do like little little one for ones here before we

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get to the pivotal scene. So first I do want

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to talk let's talk, let's talk Jack and Michelle. So

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we got the meeting. The the initial meeting with Laura

472
00:26:36.680 --> 00:26:40.720
and then we have lunch with Laura. And I love

473
00:26:41.759 --> 00:26:45.319
how the initial meeting it's a little awkward, it's a

474
00:26:45.359 --> 00:26:49.000
little embarrassing for Jack. He has a little bit, a

475
00:26:49.000 --> 00:26:53.000
little bit of an embarrassing moment, you know. Uh. But

476
00:26:53.119 --> 00:26:56.079
the lunch that he has the PBN J and and

477
00:26:56.079 --> 00:26:58.640
and milk, he is at the top of his game.

478
00:26:58.960 --> 00:27:01.599
He's he's kind of it's kind of checking her here.

479
00:27:01.680 --> 00:27:03.279
So can we can we talk about these two scenes.

480
00:27:04.119 --> 00:27:05.559
I'd love to hear I'd love to hear your thoughts

481
00:27:05.599 --> 00:27:08.799
on on her character and how she handles.

482
00:27:08.519 --> 00:27:13.039
Herself well in hindsight, you know, as we're talking about this,

483
00:27:13.039 --> 00:27:18.160
this theory that she was was always a werewolf. The

484
00:27:18.200 --> 00:27:21.960
scene where they first meet, I think could show that

485
00:27:22.200 --> 00:27:26.200
very well because she has to know what he's going through.

486
00:27:26.279 --> 00:27:30.400
She like is right there with what he needs, hands him,

487
00:27:30.519 --> 00:27:33.240
you know, a glass of scotch and so here, take this.

488
00:27:33.279 --> 00:27:36.960
I'll make you feel better. You know, she talks him down.

489
00:27:37.720 --> 00:27:43.599
She's very like empathetic and understanding and even though it

490
00:27:43.680 --> 00:27:46.400
is a little a masculating for him, she gets him

491
00:27:46.400 --> 00:27:49.200
through it. You know, she's a good partner in that

492
00:27:49.920 --> 00:27:53.559
in that moment. But I was cracking up during the

493
00:27:53.640 --> 00:27:56.480
lunch scene because he's he put out one or two

494
00:27:56.519 --> 00:27:59.440
pretty good moves and she was like, hmm, I don't think.

495
00:27:59.279 --> 00:28:04.920
So well okay, So he's nothing if not persistent, you know,

496
00:28:04.960 --> 00:28:07.960
because they just you know, like Christopher Plumbers like, oh,

497
00:28:07.960 --> 00:28:11.279
we're having lunch with the Buchanans or something. She's like, no,

498
00:28:11.359 --> 00:28:14.240
I'm having lunch with him. And you know, Christopher Plumber's

499
00:28:14.240 --> 00:28:16.039
got that great. Mom was like, look, it doesn't matter

500
00:28:16.640 --> 00:28:19.319
who you are, what you do. She she already knows

501
00:28:19.319 --> 00:28:21.799
I don't like you and I don't approve, so but

502
00:28:21.839 --> 00:28:23.920
then you know, she's like, hey, sorry, you're you know,

503
00:28:24.119 --> 00:28:26.519
I don't have anything. And he's like, ah, we're doing

504
00:28:26.559 --> 00:28:29.599
this and she's like, you know, and I just love

505
00:28:29.640 --> 00:28:33.039
how he's He's trying to make conversation in a polite conversation,

506
00:28:33.119 --> 00:28:34.160
you know, so what do you do? And she's like,

507
00:28:34.200 --> 00:28:37.839
what do you care? He's like, I don't. I'm like, yes,

508
00:28:38.279 --> 00:28:42.039
that was that is That is such a gunslinger thing

509
00:28:42.079 --> 00:28:44.599
to say to a to a woman that's being a

510
00:28:44.599 --> 00:28:48.279
little a little stand offish, a little aggressive with you. You know,

511
00:28:49.319 --> 00:28:51.359
I just I dig that whole, that whole thing. And

512
00:28:51.359 --> 00:28:53.039
then he like it. Then he goes forward. He keeps

513
00:28:53.079 --> 00:28:55.440
on and he's like basically insults her, you know, kind

514
00:28:55.440 --> 00:28:59.839
of kind of psychoanalyzes her and and smiles as he says, hey, here,

515
00:29:00.599 --> 00:29:05.240
it's ironic, you are your problem. And she's like, let's

516
00:29:05.400 --> 00:29:08.000
let's continue lunch out on the credenza or whatever she's said,

517
00:29:08.559 --> 00:29:11.240
you know, like he's he's winning her over, you know.

518
00:29:12.200 --> 00:29:14.960
I love I love those moments. Let's talk about another

519
00:29:15.000 --> 00:29:18.279
good uh jack too for here, and I'm talking about

520
00:29:18.440 --> 00:29:21.880
where the wolf's starting to come out. So catching his

521
00:29:21.960 --> 00:29:26.960
wife with Stuart. He's got that weird half jog arms

522
00:29:26.960 --> 00:29:30.880
that is that was so funny. The hell's going on

523
00:29:30.960 --> 00:29:34.000
with that? That that that that you know, like dude,

524
00:29:34.079 --> 00:29:37.920
pump your arms like but but it was kind of

525
00:29:38.000 --> 00:29:39.599
it made him a little more primal, It made him

526
00:29:39.599 --> 00:29:42.480
a little more analystic. So I did dig it, and

527
00:29:42.519 --> 00:29:44.680
we were starting to see a little bit more of

528
00:29:44.720 --> 00:29:48.240
the wolf coming out. Uh, just the pacing that he does,

529
00:29:48.920 --> 00:29:50.920
like like a like an animal on the cage.

530
00:29:51.359 --> 00:29:55.759
I love that he could smell it. Yeah, it started

531
00:29:55.799 --> 00:29:58.240
with the scent. He smelled it on her clothes.

532
00:29:58.240 --> 00:30:00.640
He smells Stuart on her clothes. She's supposed to be

533
00:30:00.680 --> 00:30:04.200
at some conference or whatever. And uh, and then we

534
00:30:04.240 --> 00:30:06.400
start to see like some of the physical feats that

535
00:30:06.400 --> 00:30:08.680
he's capable of. You know, he's kind of taking the

536
00:30:08.720 --> 00:30:10.440
steps two at a time and then kind of lunges

537
00:30:10.440 --> 00:30:19.079
and yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, oh fantastic. But uh, great

538
00:30:19.119 --> 00:30:22.039
moment for Jack. But then when he's like I would

539
00:30:22.079 --> 00:30:25.640
say three quarters wolf the would be mugging is one

540
00:30:25.680 --> 00:30:29.720
of my favorite moments in this movie because terrifying. It

541
00:30:29.799 --> 00:30:33.839
was terrifying, but I love the fact that these guys

542
00:30:34.799 --> 00:30:37.480
are like, we need some money, you know, yeah, and

543
00:30:37.519 --> 00:30:40.240
he just says I've got a thousand dollars in my wallet,

544
00:30:40.640 --> 00:30:45.640
like five, you need ten? Just like that. I mean,

545
00:30:45.640 --> 00:30:48.119
could you imagine like what's going through their heads at

546
00:30:48.119 --> 00:30:51.079
this point, like, hey, this middle aged man is taunting us.

547
00:30:52.000 --> 00:30:54.200
And then then yeah, he goes from taunting to thrashing

548
00:30:54.240 --> 00:30:56.799
them and you know, tearing their throats out. But I

549
00:30:56.839 --> 00:30:59.759
love that moment, you know. And and Nichols does something

550
00:30:59.759 --> 00:31:05.039
here where it's not graphic, it's not overtly violent, it's

551
00:31:05.079 --> 00:31:06.359
it's pretty bloodless.

552
00:31:06.839 --> 00:31:08.920
Yeah, he pans over to the shadows.

553
00:31:09.160 --> 00:31:12.839
Yeah, we get to watch the shadow of this character

554
00:31:13.000 --> 00:31:17.279
just you know, full carnage on these three muggers, who,

555
00:31:18.039 --> 00:31:20.640
let's be honest, got what they deserved. I for being

556
00:31:20.839 --> 00:31:21.480
I loved at.

557
00:31:21.400 --> 00:31:24.960
The end that like granted cheeses mom, but like the

558
00:31:24.960 --> 00:31:27.359
one guy's mom was like crying at the police station,

559
00:31:27.480 --> 00:31:31.440
going who cuts off a guy's fingers? Like who does that?

560
00:31:31.720 --> 00:31:37.039
And I'm like he was, Robbie, he's a criminal. I'm

561
00:31:37.079 --> 00:31:41.720
not saying you know that, that's okay, but you're defending yourself.

562
00:31:44.400 --> 00:31:50.720
So let's talk about the Will Stewart relationship for a minute.

563
00:31:51.480 --> 00:31:53.200
You kind of spoke about a scene that you you

564
00:31:53.319 --> 00:32:00.000
absolutely loved, marking your territory. Okay, I'm gonna tell you

565
00:32:00.079 --> 00:32:02.039
ever because I know you don't. I know you don't

566
00:32:02.039 --> 00:32:05.119
spend any time in men's men's rooms, but uh, there's

567
00:32:05.160 --> 00:32:09.400
an unwritten rule that you you never take the stall

568
00:32:10.359 --> 00:32:12.640
next to the urinal. You never take the one right

569
00:32:12.680 --> 00:32:17.680
next to the guy. You know, there's always a buffer urinal.

570
00:32:17.680 --> 00:32:22.160
You're supposed to leave one in between. And Stuart, you know,

571
00:32:22.240 --> 00:32:25.359
he made the mistake. He got right up in Jack's business.

572
00:32:25.599 --> 00:32:27.119
Yeah, and you know.

573
00:32:28.759 --> 00:32:30.200
Why you get, that's why you get, that's how you

574
00:32:30.240 --> 00:32:31.440
get pissed in your Swede shoes.

575
00:32:33.119 --> 00:32:35.720
He's walking out, he just doesn't say he goes these are.

576
00:32:37.920 --> 00:32:39.079
Yeah.

577
00:32:39.200 --> 00:32:42.039
It was such a great line and such a great delivery.

578
00:32:42.400 --> 00:32:43.240
It's funny.

579
00:32:43.440 --> 00:32:46.519
It's the first time we see Stewart for who he

580
00:32:46.559 --> 00:32:49.559
really is, like the the intimidating Stuart because he's like,

581
00:32:49.759 --> 00:32:52.799
I am what's best for this firm. You know it,

582
00:32:52.880 --> 00:32:55.400
everybody knows it, you know, because he goes from like

583
00:32:55.519 --> 00:32:58.599
please don't fire me, don't let me leave, and yeah,

584
00:32:58.680 --> 00:32:59.839
he's just well.

585
00:32:59.880 --> 00:33:02.680
And it's one of those moments in the office as

586
00:33:02.720 --> 00:33:06.880
well where you're really seeing Jack like take control and

587
00:33:06.920 --> 00:33:09.079
he's like I'm not going out quietly, like I'm not

588
00:33:09.119 --> 00:33:10.599
just gonna roll over and take it.

589
00:33:11.880 --> 00:33:15.799
Another great moment for Jack, just smiling, I'm gonna get

590
00:33:15.839 --> 00:33:21.000
you Stuart, and it just just walks out. Yeah, okay,

591
00:33:21.880 --> 00:33:24.680
what'd you think of the jump it to the end.

592
00:33:24.720 --> 00:33:28.519
Let's the showdown Will versus Stuart, you know, when they

593
00:33:28.519 --> 00:33:33.240
are fully wolfed out in the Horse the Horse barn I.

594
00:33:33.160 --> 00:33:39.079
Loved that they were still humanoid. Yes, I liked that

595
00:33:39.279 --> 00:33:43.000
a lot because it's just look right. Yeah, just to

596
00:33:43.000 --> 00:33:47.599
watch like two dogs fighting is a completely different vibe,

597
00:33:48.000 --> 00:33:53.160
but to see two animalistic men fighting is is just

598
00:33:53.759 --> 00:33:57.240
really powerful and terrifying. And I really was thrown Like

599
00:33:57.839 --> 00:34:02.640
from the moment Spader like kills the guard and busts

600
00:34:02.680 --> 00:34:06.279
through the gate. Like from that point on, I was

601
00:34:06.720 --> 00:34:12.079
just completely shocked, Like this was way more aggressive and

602
00:34:12.119 --> 00:34:16.800
way more physical and intense than I was prepared for.

603
00:34:16.880 --> 00:34:17.920
I was like, holy.

604
00:34:17.679 --> 00:34:18.800
Crack, Yeah you're talking.

605
00:34:18.880 --> 00:34:20.840
You're talking amazing, You're.

606
00:34:20.679 --> 00:34:24.599
Talking physical and intense. This is a moment where again,

607
00:34:24.960 --> 00:34:27.599
we we've we've kind of spoke to this. Michelle Pfeiffer

608
00:34:27.719 --> 00:34:31.719
is not the damsel in distress, but how terrified are

609
00:34:31.800 --> 00:34:35.760
you for her in that moment when Will is locked

610
00:34:35.840 --> 00:34:39.440
up and Stewart is just going at her, you know,

611
00:34:40.039 --> 00:34:43.840
and she's doing everything she can to kick and get

612
00:34:43.840 --> 00:34:47.239
herself away from him. I'm legitimately scared for Michelle Pfeiffer

613
00:34:47.280 --> 00:34:51.360
in that moment, just how just how how abrasive he is,

614
00:34:51.360 --> 00:34:53.840
like grabbing her and pulling her back to him and

615
00:34:54.559 --> 00:34:57.440
you know, clawing at her and trying to get to her. Terrifying.

616
00:34:57.760 --> 00:35:00.400
It was terrifying because you're like, is he trying to

617
00:35:00.519 --> 00:35:04.000
rape her? Is he trying to kill her? Like what's

618
00:35:04.039 --> 00:35:06.199
the end of the scene gonna be? And she was

619
00:35:06.239 --> 00:35:10.480
so smart. She's grabbing stuff like the fire extinguisher and

620
00:35:11.199 --> 00:35:13.159
you know, kicking him in the face. I mean, she

621
00:35:13.400 --> 00:35:17.599
was really intense, but you did feel that vulnerability as

622
00:35:17.599 --> 00:35:20.519
a woman of like she was completely overpowered.

623
00:35:20.880 --> 00:35:24.920
And yeah, I gotta say the way it reads, I

624
00:35:24.960 --> 00:35:26.559
don't think he's trying to kill her in that moment.

625
00:35:26.599 --> 00:35:31.320
I think he's trying to. I think he's trying to. Really,

626
00:35:31.480 --> 00:35:33.679
it's it's not so much that's a sexual thing. I

627
00:35:33.719 --> 00:35:38.159
think he's trying to emasculate Will in that moment because Will, Yeah,

628
00:35:38.199 --> 00:35:42.159
he's trying. She's got your left up huh yeah, And

629
00:35:42.199 --> 00:35:45.880
it's it's as helpless as she is. Will is helpless

630
00:35:45.880 --> 00:35:49.000
in that moment as well, and Spader knows that, and

631
00:35:49.039 --> 00:35:51.920
Spader knows how he feels about her. So I think

632
00:35:51.960 --> 00:35:53.320
that's the you know.

633
00:35:54.239 --> 00:35:56.119
I just was shouting at the screen. I was like,

634
00:35:56.199 --> 00:35:57.719
rip the bed dallion off.

635
00:35:58.079 --> 00:36:00.840
Yeah, yeah, that's all you needed to do. And then

636
00:36:01.119 --> 00:36:03.760
you know he's he fully wolfs out and then we

637
00:36:03.800 --> 00:36:08.280
get this amazing fight. I absolutely love it. And I

638
00:36:08.639 --> 00:36:12.239
kind of did the fact that we're not fully going

639
00:36:12.239 --> 00:36:16.360
into the werewolf floor because yes, obviously the security guard

640
00:36:16.360 --> 00:36:20.840
wasn't carrying silver bullets and it is forty five a moment.

641
00:36:20.519 --> 00:36:23.000
Though when she unloads on him where I was like,

642
00:36:23.320 --> 00:36:26.119
oh shit, is it gonna work? These weren't super bullets,

643
00:36:26.159 --> 00:36:27.800
Like is he gonna die? Is he just gonna keep

644
00:36:27.840 --> 00:36:29.119
coming back? Like what are we gonna do?

645
00:36:29.599 --> 00:36:32.400
Yeah, but we get that moment where we immediately start

646
00:36:32.480 --> 00:36:34.800
like that classic thing in werewolf movies where you kill

647
00:36:34.800 --> 00:36:37.639
the werewolf and then he starts to to uh to

648
00:36:37.679 --> 00:36:40.159
turn back into a man. Yeah, you know that the

649
00:36:40.239 --> 00:36:42.480
nails start to shrink and the hair starts to shrivel,

650
00:36:42.519 --> 00:36:45.719
and so yeah, I don't know. I love this, love this,

651
00:36:46.119 --> 00:36:49.880
love this movie. Oh is there a pivotal scene for you,

652
00:36:49.960 --> 00:36:53.440
like where you're just like, this is the moment, this

653
00:36:53.480 --> 00:36:54.960
is what's making the movie for you.

654
00:36:57.440 --> 00:37:02.960
I had kind of too. There was the scene where

655
00:37:03.079 --> 00:37:06.599
Richard Jenkins is plays a detective and he shows up

656
00:37:06.599 --> 00:37:11.239
at the hotel room and to tell them that uh

657
00:37:11.920 --> 00:37:16.960
Will's wife has been murdered. Okay, and so you're watching

658
00:37:17.840 --> 00:37:22.519
Jack Nicholson's shock and Michelle Pfeiffer's like trying to cover up,

659
00:37:22.800 --> 00:37:26.159
and you know, all of that going on. And then

660
00:37:26.199 --> 00:37:28.440
there's the scene right after it where they're driving to

661
00:37:28.519 --> 00:37:32.000
her house and Jack Nicholson falls asleep in the car

662
00:37:32.079 --> 00:37:33.880
and she's looking at him. He's guys foot up on

663
00:37:33.920 --> 00:37:37.079
the dashboard and she sees like mud caked all over

664
00:37:37.159 --> 00:37:41.639
as loafers, and you can watch her go, oh my god,

665
00:37:41.800 --> 00:37:42.800
this might be real.

666
00:37:43.360 --> 00:37:46.039
She's starting to put it together. Yeah, it's funny you

667
00:37:46.039 --> 00:37:49.760
mentioned Jenkins because my my pivot, my pivotal scene definitely

668
00:37:49.800 --> 00:37:53.960
a Jenkins moment. And it's again it's the realization that

669
00:37:54.039 --> 00:37:57.960
she feels when she has the phone call with him,

670
00:37:58.239 --> 00:38:01.320
like the following day, Yes, and you know, she's like,

671
00:38:01.440 --> 00:38:04.159
she's starting to put it together. She's starting to think, Okay,

672
00:38:04.400 --> 00:38:07.280
Will has been telling me the truth. He maybe he

673
00:38:07.400 --> 00:38:09.119
is I don't believe it, but maybe he is a

674
00:38:09.119 --> 00:38:12.079
were wolf. And then she has this moment where she's like,

675
00:38:12.119 --> 00:38:14.119
do you still want blood and tissue samples from him?

676
00:38:14.159 --> 00:38:17.400
And he's like, ah, no, it's it's no use. I

677
00:38:17.400 --> 00:38:18.920
think we had some kind of a mistake because we

678
00:38:18.960 --> 00:38:22.480
found canine DNA at the murder scene, so the tech

679
00:38:22.519 --> 00:38:25.840
probably was petting their dog or we don't know. And

680
00:38:25.840 --> 00:38:28.519
then like the look of horror on her face. Yes,

681
00:38:29.239 --> 00:38:30.960
now I'm gonna be. I'm gonna be clear on something

682
00:38:31.760 --> 00:38:34.199
we've been talking about, how this theory of her being

683
00:38:34.199 --> 00:38:37.480
the the apex predator. You know, she's she's a wolf.

684
00:38:38.320 --> 00:38:42.719
My thought is that maybe she doesn't realize that she like,

685
00:38:42.719 --> 00:38:45.039
like consciously, I don't think she realizes that she is.

686
00:38:45.960 --> 00:38:48.559
You know, maybe she's on a subconscious level. She she

687
00:38:49.119 --> 00:38:52.320
is attracted to Jack because of she's kind of picking

688
00:38:52.400 --> 00:38:55.960
up on his vibe, you know, as he's becoming more

689
00:38:56.000 --> 00:38:59.480
and more wolf like. But she she legitimately in that moment,

690
00:38:59.519 --> 00:39:03.639
feels a little a little scared for herself, like holy shit,

691
00:39:03.760 --> 00:39:08.480
like it's it's real, unless she's maybe thinking, oh my god,

692
00:39:08.519 --> 00:39:09.800
he actually really.

693
00:39:09.599 --> 00:39:13.920
Thought maybe it was she knew he didn't do it, Yeah,

694
00:39:13.960 --> 00:39:18.559
and she was going and like she knows who's in

695
00:39:18.599 --> 00:39:21.880
the pack, so she's like, oh shit, there's another one

696
00:39:21.920 --> 00:39:22.719
out there somewhere.

697
00:39:23.679 --> 00:39:27.000
She knows he didn't do it. So it's never really

698
00:39:28.039 --> 00:39:31.400
put forth, but in your like when you watch this

699
00:39:31.480 --> 00:39:37.360
movie Amber, was Charlotte murdered by will or because there's

700
00:39:37.400 --> 00:39:39.559
there you know, we have the evidence there, right, you know,

701
00:39:39.599 --> 00:39:42.400
there's some there's some evidence there. Or was she murdered

702
00:39:42.400 --> 00:39:43.280
by Stuart?

703
00:39:43.559 --> 00:39:45.119
Do you think I thought it was Stuart.

704
00:39:45.679 --> 00:39:47.719
I'm thinking, Stuart, you don't want to you clearly you

705
00:39:47.719 --> 00:39:50.280
don't want to think Jack Nicholson's gonna wolf out and

706
00:39:50.360 --> 00:39:52.599
murder his wife. So it's gotta Stewart, right.

707
00:39:52.679 --> 00:39:55.039
I feel like he would have done it maybe in

708
00:39:55.119 --> 00:39:59.519
the moment, like when he confronted her at Stuart's apartment.

709
00:39:59.639 --> 00:40:01.920
He he didn't attack her, He just kind of gave

710
00:40:01.960 --> 00:40:05.960
her a disgusted look and walked away. Yeah, but I mean,

711
00:40:06.360 --> 00:40:12.039
I think Stewart is such a planner, mm hmm. And

712
00:40:12.119 --> 00:40:16.320
I think that he was much more quick to embrace

713
00:40:16.719 --> 00:40:19.440
his change, his physical changes, than Jack was.

714
00:40:20.000 --> 00:40:22.679
Jack's fighting it the whole time. He's got the million, He's.

715
00:40:22.519 --> 00:40:25.280
He's kind of afraid of it. He's yeah, you know,

716
00:40:25.639 --> 00:40:27.800
And I think Spader was like, hey, this is cool.

717
00:40:28.079 --> 00:40:30.480
You know you gotta remember too, though, when when Jack

718
00:40:30.519 --> 00:40:33.519
goes to see the old uh like the medicine man.

719
00:40:34.400 --> 00:40:38.000
You know, he basically says, like, the wolf makes you

720
00:40:38.079 --> 00:40:42.280
more of what you are, So yeah, kind of kind

721
00:40:42.280 --> 00:40:43.480
of like a Jack on High thing, like you know,

722
00:40:43.519 --> 00:40:46.320
it'll make you if you're a good guy or Captain America.

723
00:40:46.360 --> 00:40:48.679
You know, you take it to take it. It's gonna

724
00:40:48.679 --> 00:40:50.360
make If you're a good guy, you become a great guy.

725
00:40:50.400 --> 00:40:52.199
If you're a bad guy, you become a worse guy.

726
00:40:52.280 --> 00:40:56.760
So I think that that would explain why Spader changes

727
00:40:56.800 --> 00:41:01.519
so abruptly, or I think it's right. It's he's embraced. Yeah,

728
00:41:01.559 --> 00:41:05.079
And I gotta tell you, as much as I like

729
00:41:05.199 --> 00:41:10.079
Jack's makeup as in the in the Wolf makeup, Spader's

730
00:41:10.119 --> 00:41:15.719
makeup that Rick Baker does is just awesome. Yes, I mean,

731
00:41:15.760 --> 00:41:20.840
he is terrifying looking while still looking slightly human.

732
00:41:22.400 --> 00:41:25.199
That's the part that just blows me away is that

733
00:41:25.320 --> 00:41:31.400
you can still see that this is a person. It's

734
00:41:31.440 --> 00:41:35.280
not like teenage werewolf where it looks kind of silly.

735
00:41:35.880 --> 00:41:38.920
You know. And again we talked about, you know, there's

736
00:41:38.960 --> 00:41:41.239
some comedic beats here and there. I love what he

737
00:41:41.280 --> 00:41:44.519
pulls up to the gate. He's fully wolfed out, and

738
00:41:44.559 --> 00:41:47.440
the guards like, can I help you? He's like, George,

739
00:41:47.480 --> 00:41:50.880
I'm here to see Laura. George like begins and ends

740
00:41:50.880 --> 00:41:53.239
the sentence with the guy's name, and he's got such

741
00:41:53.280 --> 00:41:57.679
a delightful look in his face. It's fantastic. All right, Amber,

742
00:41:57.760 --> 00:42:00.480
Let's take one last break and when we can back,

743
00:42:01.039 --> 00:42:07.519
we're gonna talk a little bit about Mike Nichols. Welcome back, Amber.

744
00:42:08.519 --> 00:42:14.559
I've decided to zag incident. Now we've been lately, we've

745
00:42:14.599 --> 00:42:16.599
been talking. You know, when we talk about our director,

746
00:42:16.760 --> 00:42:18.800
we'll talk about, you know, two or three things, we

747
00:42:19.480 --> 00:42:22.840
throw out a quote. Right, We're gonna do that. But

748
00:42:22.920 --> 00:42:26.159
then I'm gonna ask you a different question than I

749
00:42:26.239 --> 00:42:30.639
usually do because we're not we're not gonna specifically, we're

750
00:42:30.639 --> 00:42:34.159
not going to talk about his filmography, and I'll look at.

751
00:42:34.079 --> 00:42:36.679
That one of my favorite directors.

752
00:42:36.119 --> 00:42:39.239
I knew that, and I'm gonna get to it. Hold on,

753
00:42:39.559 --> 00:42:41.599
I think you're you're sad right now, but I think

754
00:42:41.599 --> 00:42:45.000
I'll make you happy. Okay, But let's talk a little

755
00:42:45.000 --> 00:42:46.880
bit about Mike Nichols. So a couple of fun facts

756
00:42:46.880 --> 00:42:51.239
about him. First off, Mike Nichols is the ninth person

757
00:42:51.679 --> 00:42:56.480
to achieve egot status, and Amber, for everyone that just

758
00:42:56.519 --> 00:43:00.199
heard me say that and is saying, what's that? You

759
00:43:00.239 --> 00:43:01.639
want to tell us what an egot is?

760
00:43:01.679 --> 00:43:01.760
Like?

761
00:43:01.800 --> 00:43:03.519
What do you got to do to be to have

762
00:43:03.559 --> 00:43:04.159
the egot?

763
00:43:04.719 --> 00:43:09.039
Uh? To have the egot you have to win an Emmy,

764
00:43:09.960 --> 00:43:14.039
a Grammy, an Oscar and a Tony Award.

765
00:43:14.920 --> 00:43:17.960
This is not something that happens all the time, right.

766
00:43:18.440 --> 00:43:21.039
I mean, there's a very short list of people that

767
00:43:21.079 --> 00:43:23.880
have achieved this, and Mike Nichols is one of them.

768
00:43:24.559 --> 00:43:31.440
This next piece absolutely shocks me. He initially wanted to

769
00:43:32.000 --> 00:43:37.840
direct nineteen eighty two's First Blood with Dustin Hoffman in

770
00:43:37.880 --> 00:43:40.480
the role of John Rambo. Think about that for just

771
00:43:40.719 --> 00:43:41.280
a second.

772
00:43:41.519 --> 00:43:42.480
Have you read the book?

773
00:43:43.199 --> 00:43:45.920
Yes, Now it's not exactly the film, it's a little

774
00:43:45.920 --> 00:43:46.760
bit different from the.

775
00:43:46.679 --> 00:43:49.159
So having read the book, do you think.

776
00:43:49.519 --> 00:43:52.679
I was shocked? But then I'm thinking about Dustin Hoffman,

777
00:43:52.679 --> 00:43:57.199
a marathon man. Yeah, and I'm like, you know what, Oh,

778
00:43:57.320 --> 00:44:02.079
yeah it works. Now clearly you don't see Dustin Hoffman

779
00:44:02.119 --> 00:44:05.000
and Rambo First Blood Part two. That's never gonna wear it.

780
00:44:06.679 --> 00:44:12.719
But Dustin Hoffman, like early eighties Dustin Hoffman struggling with

781
00:44:12.880 --> 00:44:16.840
PTSD and being a vet that's back home and has

782
00:44:16.920 --> 00:44:20.599
no one to support him, no one to talk to,

783
00:44:20.719 --> 00:44:22.760
no one to listen, and just not finding his way.

784
00:44:22.800 --> 00:44:26.440
I could see it. I would love to go. You know,

785
00:44:26.480 --> 00:44:29.159
we talk occasionally about the Alternate Universe video store. I

786
00:44:29.199 --> 00:44:32.440
would love to go there and pick up Mike Nichol's

787
00:44:32.639 --> 00:44:35.119
First Blood starring Dustin Hoffin. I'm I'm gonna put that

788
00:44:35.159 --> 00:44:37.400
on my list because yeah.

789
00:44:37.360 --> 00:44:42.519
I mean, like you said, it's not the sequel is

790
00:44:42.559 --> 00:44:47.360
not Rambo. And the skills that that John Rambo has

791
00:44:47.400 --> 00:44:49.559
in the first one, like they're all acquiable.

792
00:44:50.280 --> 00:44:55.119
Yes, when you like think Marathon Man, Dustin Hoffman can

793
00:44:55.239 --> 00:44:58.239
pretty much do everything that John Rambo is doing in

794
00:44:58.320 --> 00:45:03.480
First Blood. Yeah, so it'd be interesting. Yeah, for sure,

795
00:45:04.000 --> 00:45:06.199
I'm gonna have I'll tell you what, when I head

796
00:45:06.280 --> 00:45:08.920
the Alternate Universe, I'll see if I can bring back

797
00:45:08.920 --> 00:45:11.840
a copy for you. Okay, thank you. One more thing.

798
00:45:12.760 --> 00:45:16.360
During the two thousand and three Kennedy Center Honors for

799
00:45:16.519 --> 00:45:22.280
Mike Nichols, Meryl Streep and Candice Bergen read what Mike

800
00:45:22.400 --> 00:45:27.280
Nichols calls the five Rules for Filmmaking, and here they are,

801
00:45:27.639 --> 00:45:30.320
because I know you're wondering what they are. Number one,

802
00:45:31.239 --> 00:45:36.039
the careful application of terror is an important form of communication.

803
00:45:36.719 --> 00:45:38.320
That's cryptic, it's.

804
00:45:38.199 --> 00:45:40.039
Interesting, very manipulative.

805
00:45:40.559 --> 00:45:45.400
Yes it is. Number two, anything worth fighting for is

806
00:45:45.480 --> 00:45:52.599
worth fighting dirty for. Oh agree, okay, all right. Number three,

807
00:45:53.559 --> 00:46:01.960
there's absolutely no substitute for genuine lack of preparation makes sense. Yeah.

808
00:46:02.119 --> 00:46:06.199
Number four, if you think there's good in everybody. You

809
00:46:06.320 --> 00:46:12.639
haven't met everybody. Mike Nichols telling it like it is

810
00:46:14.239 --> 00:46:19.159
number five. Friends may come and go, but enemies will

811
00:46:19.199 --> 00:46:24.760
certainly become studio heads. Gotta love the snark of this guy.

812
00:46:25.760 --> 00:46:30.519
And let me throw a quote at you. Talking about

813
00:46:31.280 --> 00:46:34.519
working with Jack Nicholson, he says, and I'm quoting here,

814
00:46:35.280 --> 00:46:38.400
Jack is the sort of guy who takes parts others

815
00:46:38.400 --> 00:46:43.199
have turned down, might turn down, and explodes them into

816
00:46:43.239 --> 00:46:47.079
something nobody could have conceived of. All of his brilliance

817
00:46:47.119 --> 00:46:52.480
of character and gesture is consumed and made invisible by

818
00:46:52.480 --> 00:46:54.119
the expanse of his nature.

819
00:46:54.760 --> 00:46:55.360
Wow.

820
00:46:56.159 --> 00:47:00.840
Very deep. Right, Yes, So I told you we're not

821
00:47:00.880 --> 00:47:04.599
gonna go through his filmography, and you are not happy

822
00:47:04.599 --> 00:47:06.480
about that? Why am I doing it? Yeah? You're like,

823
00:47:06.519 --> 00:47:10.519
this is a we're friends. You're like, I got another

824
00:47:12.039 --> 00:47:15.039
another Michelle fiv for movie, another Jack Nicholson movie. It's

825
00:47:15.119 --> 00:47:16.840
my director that I really like. But here's what I'm

826
00:47:16.840 --> 00:47:20.599
gonna do. I'm gonna ask you if someone had never

827
00:47:20.679 --> 00:47:27.599
seen a film by Mike Nichols, what hey, Han solo,

828
00:47:27.599 --> 00:47:29.760
don't choot from the hip. You don't know where I'm

829
00:47:29.760 --> 00:47:35.760
gonna go with this? All right? For everyone that that

830
00:47:35.840 --> 00:47:40.519
didn't catch that. I'll repeat myself if someone had never

831
00:47:40.559 --> 00:47:45.079
seen a film by Mike Nichols, pause for dramatic effects.

832
00:47:46.440 --> 00:47:49.679
What are your three recommendations?

833
00:47:50.320 --> 00:47:51.239
Oh? I get three?

834
00:47:51.400 --> 00:47:55.639
Okay, yes, give me you three. I got my three.

835
00:47:55.880 --> 00:47:57.119
I want to see what you know. You're a fan

836
00:47:57.159 --> 00:47:58.880
of Mike Nichols. I want to see, like, think about this.

837
00:47:58.880 --> 00:48:01.760
Someone is like, I don't know him. You have a

838
00:48:01.760 --> 00:48:04.280
responsibility here, Embert. What are you gonna What three movies

839
00:48:04.320 --> 00:48:06.320
are you gonna show this person to make them a

840
00:48:06.320 --> 00:48:07.440
fan of White Nichols.

841
00:48:07.639 --> 00:48:12.159
Well, so, I'm not a huge fan of his early filmography.

842
00:48:12.920 --> 00:48:15.480
I haven't seen them all, but the ones I have

843
00:48:15.519 --> 00:48:19.039
I'm kind of like it. Just so starting in the

844
00:48:19.119 --> 00:48:22.480
eighties is when I and on is when I'm just

845
00:48:22.559 --> 00:48:27.559
a huge, huge fan. So I would say that, first

846
00:48:27.559 --> 00:48:29.960
of all, I'm a cheat, because why not?

847
00:48:31.119 --> 00:48:33.360
What is your name? Scott Hoffman? Is that what's happening here?

848
00:48:33.599 --> 00:48:36.719
Because I'm the voice of reason and you'll see why

849
00:48:36.719 --> 00:48:41.960
I'm right. Okay, I'm gonna send this person to YouTube

850
00:48:42.159 --> 00:48:45.840
and tell them to look up Nichols and may what

851
00:48:46.599 --> 00:48:51.159
a hell that he started his career in the sixties

852
00:48:51.920 --> 00:48:56.360
doing comedy routines with Elaine May, and they were known

853
00:48:56.360 --> 00:49:03.679
as Nichols and May. Okay, and they do absolutely hysterical sets.

854
00:49:04.199 --> 00:49:06.760
All right, So you're cashing in. You're cashing in one

855
00:49:06.760 --> 00:49:08.639
of your choices that go on.

856
00:49:08.599 --> 00:49:12.840
YouTube and watch one of their bits, like they are hysterical.

857
00:49:14.400 --> 00:49:15.679
So I'm gonna give up a movie.

858
00:49:16.440 --> 00:49:19.400
Uh, just you mentioned you mentioned her? Okay, So you

859
00:49:19.440 --> 00:49:24.440
mentioned her? Uh are you aware that she is the

860
00:49:24.440 --> 00:49:27.519
the hotel operator that wakes Jack Nicholson up.

861
00:49:28.360 --> 00:49:29.599
No, I couldn't hear it.

862
00:49:30.239 --> 00:49:33.639
That's her voice. Oh my gosh, hey you she's like

863
00:49:33.679 --> 00:49:35.280
you ask for a wake up cob and trying to

864
00:49:35.280 --> 00:49:37.360
reach you. You've been a bad funny because they do

865
00:49:37.440 --> 00:49:40.280
a whole telephone bit that that's her.

866
00:49:40.599 --> 00:49:42.159
Oh my god. I have to watch it with like

867
00:49:42.199 --> 00:49:45.800
headphones or something because I didn't hear at all. I

868
00:49:45.800 --> 00:49:47.320
thought it was like a one sided conversation.

869
00:49:47.960 --> 00:49:51.079
No, he's like, actually I'd been a good boy. You know.

870
00:49:50.679 --> 00:49:52.840
He's getting a little flirty with her on the phone.

871
00:49:53.360 --> 00:49:55.679
All right, So you you just burned one of your picks.

872
00:49:55.960 --> 00:49:58.960
So what to wat Nichols films? Are you going to

873
00:49:59.000 --> 00:49:59.920
suggest to this person?

874
00:50:00.920 --> 00:50:05.800
And then I am going to say, for an example

875
00:50:05.960 --> 00:50:12.039
of just directing amazing performances and just creating like a

876
00:50:12.079 --> 00:50:14.119
whole reality Silkwood.

877
00:50:14.880 --> 00:50:16.800
Good good choice, good choice.

878
00:50:18.039 --> 00:50:24.920
It is so incredibly believable, just just breathtakingly amazing. And

879
00:50:24.960 --> 00:50:27.239
then my number one.

880
00:50:29.039 --> 00:50:32.199
Guess your number, your your your last pick, but you

881
00:50:32.280 --> 00:50:35.079
are story shot from the hips, shot from the hip pond.

882
00:50:35.199 --> 00:50:38.679
Yeah. Working Girl absolutely one of my all time favorite.

883
00:50:39.679 --> 00:50:43.039
I could quote the entire movie. I watched this movie

884
00:50:43.039 --> 00:50:46.679
all the time, like, Working Girl is absolutely one of

885
00:50:46.719 --> 00:50:47.719
the best movies ever.

886
00:50:48.199 --> 00:50:51.199
All Right, I just wrote down if you were playing

887
00:50:51.239 --> 00:50:55.119
by the rules, I just wrote down the film, the

888
00:50:55.159 --> 00:50:58.079
Mike Nichols film that I had expected you to say.

889
00:50:58.880 --> 00:51:00.440
So I'll tell you what I'll give you. I'll get

890
00:51:00.480 --> 00:51:03.199
a free pass on the YouTube, Like, hey, while you

891
00:51:03.280 --> 00:51:06.800
wait to go to the video store, check out this,

892
00:51:07.239 --> 00:51:11.400
you know YouTube clip. We'll just say you could have that.

893
00:51:12.400 --> 00:51:17.079
So what would be your third choice? I know what

894
00:51:17.119 --> 00:51:18.440
you're going to pick, and I wrote it down here.

895
00:51:18.440 --> 00:51:20.559
I want to see if I'm right, do you though

896
00:51:21.079 --> 00:51:21.320
I do?

897
00:51:23.719 --> 00:51:25.639
It's so hard. I love them all.

898
00:51:25.920 --> 00:51:26.840
Only one come.

899
00:51:28.239 --> 00:51:29.599
I'm gonna say the bird cage.

900
00:51:30.320 --> 00:51:30.559
What.

901
00:51:31.239 --> 00:51:33.119
Yeah, I'm gonna say the bird cage.

902
00:51:32.880 --> 00:51:36.360
That's not what I had. I know that's a bird

903
00:51:36.400 --> 00:51:39.719
Cage is a remake, Yeah, and I thought, I thought,

904
00:51:39.719 --> 00:51:42.039
Amberlis is like, you know what, I want to say,

905
00:51:42.039 --> 00:51:45.119
bird cage, but I'm not because it's actually a remake.

906
00:51:45.800 --> 00:51:47.440
And that's why I'm going And I.

907
00:51:47.320 --> 00:51:52.239
Love the stage musical is if you head over to

908
00:51:52.320 --> 00:51:55.800
Docum Base seventy seven, we did a Lakacha fall versus

909
00:51:56.119 --> 00:51:58.519
the bird Cage and we broke it all down, and

910
00:51:58.559 --> 00:52:01.519
the whole time I'm yelling at Dayton and Robert going, yeah,

911
00:52:01.559 --> 00:52:02.960
but it's the musical though.

912
00:52:04.119 --> 00:52:05.559
You know what, here's what you're supposed to say.

913
00:52:05.599 --> 00:52:07.159
I'm gonna show you what do you have?

914
00:52:07.440 --> 00:52:08.519
Look what I look what I wrote?

915
00:52:09.119 --> 00:52:11.480
Oh my god, I almost said it to I know

916
00:52:11.599 --> 00:52:14.480
you did he wrote down.

917
00:52:14.280 --> 00:52:17.960
Heartburn, Heartburn nineteen eighty six because you're like.

918
00:52:18.320 --> 00:52:21.559
His knowing of my mind. And I shouldn't have done

919
00:52:21.559 --> 00:52:23.519
that because I really almost said that one.

920
00:52:23.840 --> 00:52:26.199
Do you remember the conversation we had when you were like, hey,

921
00:52:27.000 --> 00:52:29.440
we're doing you did this nineteen eighty six series and

922
00:52:29.480 --> 00:52:31.280
we got a couple more so when are we doing heartburn?

923
00:52:31.320 --> 00:52:36.199
I was like, uh no, we're not. You gave me

924
00:52:36.239 --> 00:52:38.920
the business. Yeah, you gave me the business that day.

925
00:52:39.239 --> 00:52:41.679
I'll remind you. So I'll tell you what.

926
00:52:41.679 --> 00:52:43.880
I love that movie so much.

927
00:52:44.039 --> 00:52:48.840
I like that. Your three and a half picks are

928
00:52:48.920 --> 00:52:53.000
not my picks. Just like, Hey, Nichols is a great director.

929
00:52:53.039 --> 00:52:55.400
He's gonna he's he's all kinds of appeal. So I'm

930
00:52:55.400 --> 00:52:58.239
gonna go with if someone's in front of me, they're like,

931
00:52:58.840 --> 00:53:02.679
give me three Nichols movies. I'm gonna say, watch the

932
00:53:02.760 --> 00:53:07.039
Graduate Classic. What do you mean We'll get to that.

933
00:53:07.039 --> 00:53:09.800
We'll get to that another time. I'm gonna say, watch

934
00:53:09.840 --> 00:53:11.159
Wolf because it's awesome.

935
00:53:11.239 --> 00:53:12.719
Oh yeah, yeah.

936
00:53:12.760 --> 00:53:15.639
And lastly, you talked about getting great performances out of people.

937
00:53:16.480 --> 00:53:19.800
I'm gonna go Harrison Ford in regarding Henry.

938
00:53:20.519 --> 00:53:21.639
It is so good.

939
00:53:21.920 --> 00:53:26.480
It's amazing. It is, it is, it is. I'll tell

940
00:53:26.519 --> 00:53:28.920
you what, you were a good sport. We'll take a

941
00:53:28.920 --> 00:53:32.800
look at Mike nichols pomography. Maybe, well, we can do

942
00:53:32.800 --> 00:53:35.480
a Mike Nichols movie. We'll do another one next season,

943
00:53:35.480 --> 00:53:35.960
how about that?

944
00:53:36.760 --> 00:53:37.559
Yeah?

945
00:53:37.599 --> 00:53:40.199
And I'll you know, we listen to we typically focus

946
00:53:40.280 --> 00:53:44.199
on underrated movies. But I'm gonna give you card Blanche

947
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pick pick the one that we haven't done. So we're

948
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obviously we're not gonna talk about Wolf again. But yeah,

949
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and we're not doing it. We're not doing the Bard

950
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Cage because I'll just tell people to go listen to

951
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Docum Bay seventy seven.

952
00:53:55.800 --> 00:53:57.320
Yes, because it's that episode.

953
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Is it was good? Anytime you Robert get together, it's always.

954
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I was gonna say anytime Robert and I especially, I

955
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think when we argue, it's a better episode when we disagree, it.

956
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Is all right. Uh Amber, your recommendation for.

957
00:54:13.639 --> 00:54:17.440
Wolf, Oh my gosh, I was so like, where has

958
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this movie been on my life? Like? This is definitely

959
00:54:19.480 --> 00:54:23.159
going in the the spooky list of stuff to hit

960
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up in October.

961
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Yeah, I'll say, I'll say it's a top ten werewolf movie.

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So put in Yeah, put in your rotation this Halloe

963
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season listeners, We want to know what you think of Wolf.

964
00:54:36.039 --> 00:54:39.639
Let us know on social media. You'll find us on Facebook, Instagram,

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970
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response on the show and send you some a film

971
00:54:58.599 --> 00:55:02.159
by Swag. Please join us tomorrow for our Star Trek

972
00:55:02.199 --> 00:55:06.159
theme series Phaser Set to Stun. Wayne, David, and Scott

973
00:55:06.239 --> 00:55:10.599
are continuing their conversation about the next generation movies with

974
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Star Trek Insurrection.

975
00:55:13.400 --> 00:55:15.199
I can't wait to hear this one.

976
00:55:15.840 --> 00:55:19.199
I there they they got like two left, I think

977
00:55:19.239 --> 00:55:21.559
so yeah. And then Lower Dex is coming back. I

978
00:55:21.599 --> 00:55:23.280
know they're gonna be talking about Lower Ducks every week.

979
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So I'm excited for it too. I'll say what use

980
00:55:26.000 --> 00:55:30.159
I'm excited for. On Friday, our limited series A Film

981
00:55:30.199 --> 00:55:34.239
at forty five will celebrate the forty fifth anniversary of

982
00:55:34.280 --> 00:55:35.480
the Amityville Horror.

983
00:55:36.159 --> 00:55:39.920
Oh yes, and hot Dog.

984
00:55:39.960 --> 00:55:43.599
Oh yeah, Wayne, Wayne's gonna join them on that one,

985
00:55:44.239 --> 00:55:46.199
and I'm gonna I'm gonna gonna put it out there.

986
00:55:46.320 --> 00:55:49.960
Wayne not a fan of the Amityville Horror because of

987
00:55:50.000 --> 00:55:52.719
how super scary it is. They're making this, poor man

988
00:55:52.840 --> 00:55:58.760
watch the movie, just baby. Yeah. So you know, prayers

989
00:55:58.760 --> 00:56:02.440
for Wayne and Namber for all of you out there

990
00:56:02.480 --> 00:56:06.400
subscribing to our Patreon. Andrew Blakelee and I are taking

991
00:56:06.480 --> 00:56:12.880
ten minutes to discuss two minutes from Alfred Hitchcock's masterpiece Psycho.

992
00:56:13.800 --> 00:56:17.039
Ooh, I can't wait for this, you guys, this is

993
00:56:17.079 --> 00:56:22.320
definitely worth the Patreon subscription. I love this series and

994
00:56:22.360 --> 00:56:24.079
I'm very excited for this one.

995
00:56:24.519 --> 00:56:31.119
Andrew Blakely is absolutely brilliants. Two minutes, He'll Amber, he

996
00:56:31.199 --> 00:56:33.800
just hits me up, he says, hey, let's do let's

997
00:56:33.840 --> 00:56:35.559
do ten minutes on this movie. I'm like, and this

998
00:56:35.599 --> 00:56:36.000
is one.

999
00:56:35.840 --> 00:56:38.760
Of my all time favorites. So I cannot And.

1000
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I'm gonna tell you. I'm gonna leave you on the

1001
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hook here because there's a very famous scene in Psycho. Obviously, yes,

1002
00:56:45.480 --> 00:56:46.920
but we're not talking about that one.

1003
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That makes it even better.

1004
00:56:50.880 --> 00:56:55.360
Yes, Amber, it's always a pleasure talking with you. Glad

1005
00:56:55.360 --> 00:56:57.480
you're back always. I know you're coming back a couple

1006
00:56:57.480 --> 00:57:00.119
of weeks, so you know, yes, talk about where us.

1007
00:57:00.119 --> 00:57:02.719
We're gonna be talking about Vampire soon enough. And to

1008
00:57:02.760 --> 00:57:07.559
those of you listening or perhaps lurking on our social

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media channels and haunting our Patreon, we wish you a

1010
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frightfully fun time until we return.