March 9, 2025
Nancy Meyers - The Intern
Experience never gets old! Jeff and Amber explore the ups and downs of intergenerational friendship and workplace dynamics in Nancy Meyers' charming comedy, The Intern!
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Freud said love and work, work and love. That's all
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there is. He was wrong, Amber. There's there's also podcasts, right,
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there's there's Women's History Month. Yeah, there's there's great women
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directing films. Yes, let's talk about one of them. I'd
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like to talk about a film by Nancy Myers, her
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twenty fifteen underrated. She's called it comedy, drama, edy.
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I call it a comedy.
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Let's go comedy.
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Surprisingly, they're not like a rom com, just a comedy.
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Not a rom com, just comedy. It's the intern. Welcome back.
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I am Jeff Johnson, I'm Amber Lewis, and this is
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a film by podcast Amber. Before we begin, I just
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want to thank you again. Last week we had a
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last minute had an amazing conversation. We had a lot
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of fun sharing our top ten favorite Gene Hackman performances.
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Yes, that was so much fun.
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A lot of good feedback quickly popping up for that one.
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I knew, I knew, I knew that would happen. Thank
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you again. That was a fun time.
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Yes, thank you for having me. It was a good time.
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Last week we were talking about one of my favorite directors,
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Darren Aronofski. We covered black Swan, which was actually celebrating
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its fifteenth anniversary, which we weren't planning that, and come
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to find we're talking about another movie celebrating its fifteenth
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anniversary this year. I'm gonna have to go back and
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check the schedule and see if, like if March, if
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it's just happenstance at March, we're just doing nothing but
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fifteenth anniversaries because we're two for two. Now, if you're
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not paying attention Nancy Myers, I got a couple of
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facts for you. I got a quote for you. An
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accomplished screenwriter and you know this Amber She first became
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interested in writing after she saw Mike Nichols The Graduate
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in nineteen sixty seven. Now correct me if I'm wrong.
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We did Mike Nichols Wolf last year. Yes, and aren't
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you covering another Mike Nichols film soon?
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Yes, we are doing Who's Afraid of Virginia Wolf?
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So so it's it's Wolf to Wolf with ambera. Yes,
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basically all right. Nancy Myers has final cut privilege on
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her films, which is uncommon for most directors working in Hollywood.
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This means that no one, including the studio studio executives producers,
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even the star. None of them can change her cut
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of the film. What Nancy says goes. So that's a
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pretty impressive. You know.
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Yeah, not a lot of people have that. But I
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think everybody knows what they're signing up for when you
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make a Nancy Meyer's movie.
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So I think, so, yeah, I'll tell you what you
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might be signing up for. Two of her common trademarks
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are successful women as the protagonists in kitchens with extravagant
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decor as a set piece. Have you ever picked up
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on that?
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I am so glad you mentioned this, because her movies,
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like it's just like wrapping yourself in like a cozy
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cashmir sweater. Like every buddy is successful, they're beautiful, they
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have money, they have these beautiful houses, and she has
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this thing for kitchens and they're all very different. But
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every time you're like, oh, but I want that one.
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When you watch a Nancy Myers film, you're already looking for,
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like the scene where we're gonna be in the kitchen,
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because it's gonna be one hell of a kitchen. That's
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how it is.
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Yes, absolutely, I gotta be honest.
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I don't know how she would feel about us covering
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one of her films during Women's History Month. And I
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say that because I got a quote here she was
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talking about women directing movies and she says, we don't
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want to be our own niche. We're filmmakers like everybody.
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How many years in a row are we going to
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talk about the fact that we make films and we
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are women enough already preach sister Amber. Please make a
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note that the next time we talk about Nancy Myers,
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it'll be like October December. Just it won't be it
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won't be Women's History Month.
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There is an element of it where when you start
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saying female director, it kind of has this tinge to it,
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of like it's a monkey riding a bike or something.
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So to just say director and that's.
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Enough, Okay, that's fair. Yeah, I got nothing, I got
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that's okay, good job. We'll walk the line here and
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just be like, let's move on.
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Let's move on before I get in trouble.
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This was a first time watch for both of us,
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Am I right?
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Yes?
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Okay? I imagine some of our listeners maybe have not
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seen The Intern. They don't know what The Intern is about.
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Will you give us a little synopsis?
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Sure, seventy year old widower Ben Whittaker played by Robert
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de Niro, has just cover the retirement isn't all that
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it's cracked up to be. Seizing an opportunity to get
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back in the game, he becomes a senior intern senior
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as in citizen, not as in college or high school,
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at an online fashion site founded and run by Jules
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Austen played by Anne Hathaway.
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This film is written and directed by Nancy Myers. Can
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we take a quick minute to talk about Nancy Myers
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the writer, the screenwriter. Oh my gosh, because I know
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we were off Mike and you were like I was good.
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And I'm not gonna cheat and mention that my favorite
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movie some of them are. She was the writer of
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well okay, the director.
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So I find this fascinating. On our limited nineteen eighty
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six series, Yes, we covered a film called Jumpin' Jack Flash.
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I know without me it was a sad story.
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You weren't on the you were.
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It was pre Amber.
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This is this is pre voice of the Reason. But
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here's what blows my mind. Nancy Myers wrote the screenplay
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for Jumping Jack Flash under the pseudonym Patricia Irving.
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Oh I didn't know that.
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Who's Patricia Irving? Like, I don't know now I want
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to go down a rabbit hole and find out what
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else she wrote Irving. But in addition to Jumping Jack,
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Flash and as Nancy Myers, she did write Private Benjamin,
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Baby Boom and all three Father of the Bride films.
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Did we cover your favorite one? You said, she's written
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some of your favorites.
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Well, Jumping Jack, Flash and Private Benjamin for sure.
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Yeah, even the you remember they did like a Private
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Benjamin TV show. It's like a limited Yes, she wrote
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that too. Now, when we talk about her as a director,
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she is in fact the highest grossing female director, even
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though she doesn't want to be a female director. She
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just wants to be a director. Yes, you just we
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categorize Amber carefully. I'll say it. She is the highest
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grossing female director of all time, having surpassed Penny Marshall.
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You know, she's also one of the most sought after writers, directors,
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and producers in Hollywood. So the question is why isn't
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her filmography twice as big? And I'll tell you it's
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due to the fact that she is a very detail
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oriented professional. She tends to spend a full year writing
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before going into production, and then it's typically a six
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month shoot, which she follows with an additional six months
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of editing. Because she's one of those directors that says,
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we're gonna get about twenty seven cuts of this scene.
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You know, we're gonna do twenty seven takes. We're gonna
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have lots of different camera angles. She loves she's a
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big time she's a big time editor. She loves edit
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so well.
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And I would be willing to bet as well that
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she's hands on in every aspect. She knows exactly what
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kind of flowers should be on the table, and you know,
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the color palette and everything like I.
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Would hazard a guess that the art director on the
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on her films probably isn't even allowed in the kitchen set, right,
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Probably it's probably all Nancy just go no, no, let.
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Me just she knows who this woman that she's written
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for is, and she knows exactly what.
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Her kitchen looks like. Yeah, I think I think you're right.
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Let's take a quick break, and when we come back
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we will talk about this cast. Welcome back. We are
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discussing Nancy Myer's twenty fifteen comedy The Intern. The intern
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Amber being Robert de Niro. He's playing Ben Whittaker, the
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seventy year old man who applies to become the intern
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at the you know, with this program that about the
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Fit and Anne Hathaway's company is doing. So I'm just
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gonna go ahead and say it. This might be one
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of the best Robert Denier performances I've seen.
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Oh my gosh, he's such a marshmallow. He's so sweet
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in this movie.
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He's he's the Gentleman's gentleman, right, yes, yeah, I absolutely
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love what he's doing in this movie. And and when
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I say that, I love it, I love what he's
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doing some of the callbacks to some of his other characters,
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because if you're watching this okay, so obviously you probably
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if you saw one, you saw the the obvious one.
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Right when he's looking in the mirror, he's talking in
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the mirror. Yeah, so's he's cribbing Travis Bickle there, Yes,
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you know. Also, it's not lost on me that he's
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driving her for half this movie and you know, played
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maybe the most fas taxi.
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No, I didn't even think about the fact that he
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was her driver.
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That's yeah, yeah, this is yeah, so we got a
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lot of taxi driver creeping in to his performance. And
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then eagle eyed viewers will notice he does the the
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uh raging bull the fist pump.
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Oh, that's right, he does.
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He does it twice, and I'm like, so he's just
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he's taking some of his favorite characters and just putting
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him into a little bit into Ben Whitaker here. Now.
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I absolutely love what he's doing. The video application that
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he does.
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Oh my gosh, so perfect when they say that they
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loved his his video and like everybody was crying when
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they watched it.
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Yeah, he's I don't know, there's just something about what
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he's doing here, like I want to be Robert de
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Niro in this movie. Yes, in like thirty years, Yeah obviously,
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but you.
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Know, like like you said, the gentlemanlyness of him and
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just the honesty and the truth that he carries his
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life with.
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Well, I think it's great the way the young guys
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in the office are taking notes from him on Yeah.
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That's why I.
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Never saw this movie because I thought it was going
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to be just kind of one joke. Yeah, of ha
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ha ha this you know, senior Citisen and with these
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young kids and he doesn't know how to use a
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phone and you know, yeah, stuff like that, And it's
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not that at all.
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It's not that at all. He's he's teaching them about
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the difference between pocket squares and handkerchiefs. He's teaching them
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on etiquette and and what women really want. And I
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love that they're all they're all eating it up right, Yes,
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they all do. So he's so coolness.
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I appreciate it for who he is. Although I do
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have to say, like the big flood in this movie
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is the conceit that like this seven year old man
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is just taking this internship because he's bored, like and
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not because he can't afford his healthcare. Like, this is
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definitely a Nancy Myers universe that we're living in, where
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everybody's got plenty of money and really nice booms.
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I'll say this though, I mean because he was he
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had a very successful career before he retired. Yes, And
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I what I love about this is my dad is
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gonna be seventy this year and he recently retired, thank you.
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He recently retired, and I see a lot and he's
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not the biggest de Niro fan, so he's not gonna
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be happy here. In this, but I see a lot
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of him in Ben. I'll say, I'll say that way, So, Daddy,
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I never got to have that, I know, I know.
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I know. I'm glad that you get to have that because.
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Yeah, he just but my dad is so busy since
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he's retired. I mean I was. I just always assume, like, well,
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when he retires, all hang out with him a whole
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lot more right, There's some truth to that. But a
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lot of times I call my dad, he's he's in
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the middle of something or he's busy, you know, he's
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got stuff going on, and he's it's a lot like
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you know, Ben, you know, the beginning of this movie,
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I'm seeing my dad because Ben's like, I retired, and
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then I should need to keep busy. So I started
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doing this, and I did this, and I learned this,
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and I learned a Mandarin.
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