Nora Ephron - Mixed Nuts Redux

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Season's greetings everybody. I'm Jeff Johnson
and from everybody at a Film by a

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Podcast to all of you, we
wish you a very merry Christmas. In

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the happiest of holidays. We're taking
this week off, but we are bringing

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you one of our favorite Christmas episodes
where we cover Nora Ephron's Mixed Nuts and

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if you want to check out the
movie, it is currently streaming on to

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Be or Peacock and we'll be back
next week with Jason Colvin on our limited

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series nineteen seventy six. When we
talk Logan's Run, Brad, can you

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believe that it has been a year
since we were discussing our first Christmas episode

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we did Richard Donner's Scrooged. It's
already been a year. God, it

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feels like we just did that one. It does. I don't know when

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you listened to it the last time
you listened to it, But talk about

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a couple of young, young kids
excited about finishing their season with seven whole

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episodes for the year seven. I
mean we've done like fifty something yea,

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this season. We definitely just kind
of more than doubled. We definitely doubled

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down. Oh, yeah, we
here. Well we we did tell people

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that we had a lot in store
for him, uh in twenty twenty one,

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and we did we uh we we
brought uh, we brought the limited

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series nineteen eighty six that started up. We got halfway through that. We

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brought it to you weekly. Yeah, it came weekly. We went from

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monthly, we too weekly. That's
uh. That was h that took some

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doing, I think, so.
Yeah, and we're not even done with

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nineteen eighty six. Oh no,
we got we got plenty more of that.

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Uh. You know, we we
had some fun on that episode though,

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that scrooged episode, and then we
talked out are we did a top

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five traditional non traditional Christmas movies.
I have a question for you now,

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if you had to pick your favorite
non traditional Santa Claus in a in a

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Christmas movie, who would who would
you go with? Because this is this

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is tough. I would I really
enjoy watching Billy Bob Thornton is bad Santa.

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Obviously, that is about as hardcore
as it gets. Yeah, that's

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about the most non traditional Christmas Santa
you can you can get to. I

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uh, I think I have one. I wasn't expecting, you know,

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when I was thinking about this,
asking you I was gonna go with the

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mall Santa in a Christmas story,
you know, the Oh that guy's terrifying.

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Yeah, they had to climb that
mountain to get to him. And

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yeah he doesn't even give you know
what I mean, you shoot your right

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out kid. You understand why the
kid screams. Yeah, he's he's terrible.

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But have you seen this? Uh? I guess it came out last

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year Fat Man with Mel Gibson.
I have not, but I was gonna

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assume that was gonna maybe be your
pick. You know what. I won't

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say anything because I don't want to. I don't want to spoil it for

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you. It's on Hulu right now. Uh, you gotta give it a

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try. Mel Gibson as a as
a bitter, disenfranchised Santa Claus who has

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an affinity for for weapons and defending
the North Pole. No, no,

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this is this is a holiday film. Yes it is. I mean,

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but you know, uh. Walton
Goggins is a hit man who is contrapt.

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He's this kid gets basically, this
kid gets a lump of coal for

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Christmas, and so he puts a
hoodout on Santa Claus and it's it is

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not what you think it'd be,
so you might want to check that one

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out. But that's about That'd be
my go to non traditional Santa Claus.

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But Billy Bob Thornton definitely, that's
a great one. Do you also remember

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talking about a film called Ginger dead
Man? I remember that you said it

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had the glorious Gary Busey in it. No, no, you said it.

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You brought this up on the episode. You were excited about a Gary

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Busey starring Ginger dead Man where he
is a serial killer that comes back to

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life in a gingerbread cookie of all
things ridiculous, and you were like,

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yeah, we gotta check this out. Now, I'm gonna I'm gonna call

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you out here because we talked about
that and you said, yeah, you

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gotta watch it, you gotta watch
it. I watched this movie, and

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then when I was excited to talk
to you about it, you you're like,

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I haven't watched that. Yeah,
drop the ball. You totally sucker

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punched me. Man. That's uh. I'm assuming you still haven't seen it.

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Still haven't seen it? Now,
I think you owe both me and

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our listeners. You owe us.
You need to see it. And then

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let us know what you thought about
it, because uh, there's no there's

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no point in me talking about what
a a dumpster fire that movie is and

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how terrible it is if you're like, oh, yeah, yeah, no,

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I think you need to watch it
so we can at least address it

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and yeah, and put the ginger
Man back in the oven. Well,

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as you know, when you ask
me a question and give me a choice,

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I make sure to work my way
around that question. Just I will

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just the same way I will work
my way around seeing gingerbread dead Man.

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You're awful. Uh. Well,
you know, aside from that you you

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made, you made some good picks
on your non traditional Christmas movies. I'd

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like to talk about one of them
specifically. Uh, I want to talk

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about a film by Nora efron Her
nineteen ninety four, dark Christmas comedy Mixed

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Nuts. Hello everybody, and welcome
to the Film by podcast. Merry Christmas,

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Happy Holidays, Happy Hanukah. I
am Jeff Johnson and I am Brad

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Kozo. Happy holidays everyone. Brad, you know, is it what's the

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weather like out there in Californian It's
cold to me, but it wouldn't be

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to you. Yeah, it's well, you know, we actually were we

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we've only seen snow once on on
the East Coast and it's been pretty nice

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so far. So I don't know
if we'll get a white Christmas or not,

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but what we will get is a
conversation about another Christmas movie, and

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we had a chance to talk about
Nora E Fron. Uh. Yeah,

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so this film Mixed Nuts. I
don't know if you remember, but as

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we were, you know, working
in the video store. When holiday season

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came along, we got a plethora
of holiday films and usually things like you

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know how the grinste Christmas, many
Birdens of a Christmas Carol, Christmas Vacation.

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We had received multiple, multiple copies
of most of these films, seventy

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to eighty percent of these films,
and always there was this one movie and

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we only always got one copy of
this movie Mixed Nuts. And I always

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wanted to know why we would always
get one copy of it, but it

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always got sent to us only during
Christmas. Do you do you remember that

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about that it would always get just
one copy. I do. Yeah,

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you know, you had like your
holiday picks, your your holiday movies for

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limited time, and yeah, there
was only a couple of copies sent,

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and it just looked I didn't know
what to think about it because you know,

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yeah, the cover has that that
that big close up with Steve Martin

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wearing a Santa Claus hat. Yeah, it just looks upset. Yeah,

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And I just so I never saw
it back then, but I remember everybody

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that did see it did rave about
it. And I saw it a couple

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of years ago. Now this was
you just saw it recently, right,

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I watched this yesterday. Okay,
first, so I had seen it and

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I had told a little bit about
my opinion about it last year. Now

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what did you think of the film? You know, I I went into

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it assuming romanticmedy because it's Nora Ephron
right, and boy was I wrong.

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I mean it has it has that
romantic storyline. This is this definitely is

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a dark comedy and it's yeah,
talk about some some shenanigans, a bit

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of a train wreck. I would
say I enjoyed it. The there's some

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things that I know we'll get into
likes and dislikes here in a little bit.

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There's the things I was like,
come on, that's that doesn't I

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don't get it. But those things
are not even close enough to detract me

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from wanting to see it because of
the performances by this cast. This is

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one of the best casts I've ever
seen playing off each other, and it

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almost the way she directs it,
it's almost like a stage play. Yeah.

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I was gonna mention that was like, don't you feel like it's very

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stage play? Ask? Yeah,
I mean, I know it's talking.

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It's a book and it's a remake
of a French film, but I you

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assume after watching it it is something
like a play, but it's not.

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But it's definitely shot like a play. Yeah. Was it the book?

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And I'm not even gonna try and
speak here, Yeah, I mean it

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French film Santa Pierre Newel s noon
Ordre from nineteen eighty two. Yeah,

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rough rough translation. I think Santa
is a stinker or something sting like that.

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Yeah. Yeah, I'll let you
speak the French. So, you

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know, I just watched this for
the first time. I'm guessing I'm guessing

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there's probably a lot of other people
that maybe haven't seen it. Brad,

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do you want to give a rundown
of the plot of this movie? Yeah?

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So it's it's Christmas Eve in Venice, Beach, California, where Philip

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played by the glorious Steve Martin,
owns and manages one of those crisis hotline

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centers. But his business isn't making
any money and his landlord played by Gary

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Shanling, who is killing it in
this movie, is evicting him. And

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after he gets that news, his
girlfriend decides that she's gonna dumping, and

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then Philip is faced with having to
tell his two employees, Catherine played by

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Real Wilson being quite hilarious in this
movie, and she's adorable in this movie.

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She's adorable, missus Munchnik played by
Madeline Kahn, but he's got to

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tell him they have no jobs.
And I mean, and as soon as

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that happens, which is in the
first, you know, very beginning of

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the film, it's just hijinks from
that of just like but it's but it

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is a I don't want to know
if it's very a stand up hilarious film,

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but it's it's very clever, and
it's very cute, you know,

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and just like you said, adorable, Yeah, well it's not the it's

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not the slap your slap your knee, laugh out loud type of funny.

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It's the the the curl of your
smile, like when you see stuff that

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you shouldn't be laughing at, you're
laughing at. Uh yeah, it's a

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little there's a few laugh out loud
scenes. Well yeah, okay, yeah,

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you're right, there are, but
uh, it's it's more like I

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don't know, just I'm watching it
and I'm like, man, these some

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of these people are terrible in this
movie. And oh, yeah, you

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know, but you talked about the
cast. You talk about Steve Martin's uh

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who's working with him? Yeah,
at Rita Wilson, who usually plays like

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the the friend who gives good advice. You know. I love that she's

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playing the adorable, innocent girl that
wants to get the guy in this because

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you don't get she doesn't get to
do that often, and she's she's fantastic

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in this. And speaking of fantastic, Madeline Con in this how first off,

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how happy am I? Because I
wasn't. I didn't know that she

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was in this movie. So we
last week on eighty six, we're talking

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about American Taiale and we're talking about
Madeline Con And a week later, I'm

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still talking about Madeline Con because she's
in this missus munch Is it munching missus

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munchkin munch nick. Yeah, she's
her dead's her dead husband's family. But

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she's trying to go to she's trying
to go to Christmas to her dead husband's

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family. How awful would that Christmas
make? I mean she she gets stopped

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lots of times trying to go to
this dinner. But why would you want

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to go to that dinner? Why
would you want to invite her to that

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dinner? Yes, I can only
as say that they're just as terrible as

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she is, and that's that she's
a bad person. It's just she's just

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you know, if if there was
a Scrooge character in this movie, it

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has to be her, right,
Yeah, because she she goes to the

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well. I mean, they all
kind of go through an arc, but

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you know there she's the one that
they kind of have to turn over because

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you know, Steve Martin and Rita
Wilson are more optimistic. Yeah, you

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know, they're more optimistic about it. You know, she's Rita. Rita

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Wilson is very optimistic, where Steve
Martin is to mystic, but he's sort

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of lied to himself. Melon CON's
like this place isn't doing anything. No,

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like Life Savers kind of a crummy
crisis hotline to call. Let's just

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talk about how long it takes for
him to answer the phone. Somebody calls.

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You are just like on your toes
being like answer the phone and the

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phone, answer the phone. He's
got to write down the let me get

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the log out and get that ready, see what time it's line, which,

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Oh my god, he's terrible.
I mean they're all I mean,

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they're all terrible at their job.
But this is what Steve Martin does best.

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Yeah, you know this this type
of you know guy, you know,

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he's he's perfect for this kind of
antic Yeah, good ensemble cast here,

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right, I mean you mentioned Gary
Shanling. Who is He's just rotten.

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He's awful. He's unscrewing the light
bulbs. Every other light bulb has

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unscrewing to save money. Yeah,
he's evicting everybody on Christmas Eve. He's

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he he's the worst. Juliette Lewis, Julia Lewis, h you get an

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Anthony Depaulia. Yeah, it's sort
of a non traditional Santa if you think

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about it. And yeah, he's
wearing all the time. Yeah, of

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the Christmas Tree, Rollerbladers, Parker
Posey, and John Stewart. Yeah,

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and you really got to look for
them, because you know, they of

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this movie lays out the cast and
you're like, I didn't know this person.

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You really got to look for at
least John Stewart in there. Yeah.

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But can we go, oh yes, let's please talk about let's talk

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about the best character, can we
Well, well, I don't know.

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You gotta a toss up between the
best characters. I mean, leave Schreiber

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in his first ever role. Wait
a minute, hold on, this is

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his first role. First? Are
you sure? Yes? It is his

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first ever role? Is this movie
right here? Oh my god, you're

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right because I always remember him.
What was it ninety six when Scream came

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out? Yeah? Nine, Yeah, this is ninety four, so he

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okay, I'll just say it.
He's my favorite character in this whole movie.

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Yeah, because because of the character. He's Chris. Yeah, Chris

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is off the rails. It's so
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his breakout role, this is his
first role. Yeah, I mean he

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definitely makes a statement. Oh ye, yeah, But how glad were you

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to see Adam Sandler in full on
early Adam Sandler form. Oh, let's

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be honest, he's he's absolutely playing
Billy Madison of this. Yeah, but

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this is this is SNL. Sandler. The rhymes, the rhymes and thet

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the falsetto singing, and he does
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know, you would think that would
get old quick, or you'd get tired

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of the of the gag, but
you don't know. It was like it

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was like a breath of fresh air. Like it was like going like,

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oh remember that that was clever.
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some dark moments, but it also
it balances it well with just just ridiculous

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stuff. And every moment Adam Sandler's
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yeah it's a moment where you have
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I didn't get tired of it.
I especially loved it at the end.

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You got people popping in here and
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to kill himself. That is the
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didn't know that he was in it. And again this how terrible they are

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at their jobs. You know,
I get him some static on the line.

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Can you just can you just click
it. He's got he's holding a

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gun. Yeah, and then you
know he obviously he offers himself. So

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if it's serious, they'll call back. Yeah, if it's serious, they'll

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come back. They they stare intently
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I I just I just the cast
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do you do you have a favorite
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far as like, I mean,
it definitely leave Schreiber's character is the most

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fun to watch. But I mean, but Adam Sandler's Louis, But I

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mean, all of them are really
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with the objection of Juliette Lewis,
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I thought she was really overdoing it
in this movie. Yeah. It

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felt very plastic, it felt very
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I started to realize, and I
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I almost feel like you could you
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just cast somebodils, because those are
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her out because of the ending.
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big climactic moment at the end when
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Anthony, is it Lapallia? Yeah, yeah, I don't know that.

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I don't know that he was right
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I like him, I like No, I like he's a good actor.

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I you know, I do like
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this Like I almost feel like,
uh, for any anyone that was a

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fan of Frasier when he played when
he played Simon On there, who was

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drunk all the time and just like
a loser type slacker, this is like

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young Simon in a way. Ye
know. I just I got tired of

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him a little quickly, and I
just didn't the chemistry between him and Juliet

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Lewis. Yeah, I didn't.
I didn't see it. But I don't

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know. I don't know. I
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I don't it doesn't matter. But
I just maybe he even looked or

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felt older, too old for her
in a way, I don't know.

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I could almost see like John Stewart
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Yeah, yeah, you know,
with the Christmas Tree. But it

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this is a fun movie to see
me because from that very beginning, you

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know, Steve Martin's character works at
a crisis hotline, you know, where

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he's supposed to be helping people,
and it's Christmas Eve and he sees these

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two people, you know, Parker
Posey and Juliette Lewis and John Stewart arguing.

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You know, he's trying to explain
to him it's Christmas and they're just

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all so bitter and everybody was bitter
and angry at that time, and he's

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just trying to find some hope and
he just keeps getting knocked down, you

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know, every step of the way. He sees that, and then he

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goes in and then Chandling's want of
a victim, and then you know,

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his girlfriend dumps him. But then
yeah, it's just how can he stay

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positive? And then he finally you
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you know, because he deals with
nuts like him all day. Can

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we can we talk a little bit
about leave? So you know, he

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he calls, he's very upset on
the phone and he just wants to come

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and see him, and they don't
do that. This is a hotline.

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But Steve Martin's character, you know, he breaks the rules. He gives

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them the address, and you know, because we find out that, you

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know, Lee's family, you know, Chris uh family doesn't accept them.

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Mhm. And we quickly understand why
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who is in full wig, hair, makeup, dress, heels, Yeah,

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I mean full on and and I
gotta be honest, looks looks fantastic,

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right, as as fantastic as Lee
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like you're you're sittinger going like this guy

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eventually becomes ray Donnovant, you know, yeah, but it's it's it's really

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cruel how his how his family treats
him. Oh yeah, you know when

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they're they're calling him Arnold Schwarzenegger and
oh yeah, you know, he's like,

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I don't want to be called that. You know. The whole family

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just like shuns him. Yeah,
they were, they were going after this,

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but you know, they were touching
these issues, you know, long

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ago ninety four. Well, and
correct me if I'm wrong. Do they

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ever explain his situation? I don't
think you need to, you know,

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and they never really get the diagnosis
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it's obviously his family hates his Yeah, he's unhappy with his family. Yeah,

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not accepting him. But yeah,
I mean he's gotta go through all

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he does. He the nuts that
he deals with. I mean, Chris

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is the only uh you know,
patient I guess, or a caller that

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he really deals with. Everybody else
is people in his life, you know,

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but he's the one pointing the finger
at him. But like reader,

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Wilson will eventually tell him, you
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You can't deal with real life situations, you know. And like I

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said, that's a character. I
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Building. You know that's very Oh
yeah, that's cater to Steve Martin's you

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know, best qualities of he knows
how to do that. Well, let's

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talk. Let's talk about some of
the fun stuff of this movie. You

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got, you got stuff that really
stands out to you that you just you

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really like about it. Can I
talk to a woman that guy's awful?

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Sorry, a woman he just up? Yeah, the call that just keeps

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wanting to talk dirty to to a
girl that that guy's terrible I'll tell you

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what I like is when when Leif
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Martin is, and then they talk
about dancing. I like how they play

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it to where how you could tell
that Steve Martin is very uncomfortable, yes,

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dancing, but then a moment later
they are cutting it up and they

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are dancing amazing together, you know, and Steve Martin is full on into

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it. I think that scene is
hilarious. I love I love how accept

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I think Steve Martin is of leave
Shreiver at that moment in the story,

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and it's just hilarious. I think
it's fun to see those guys really really

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jump into the role like that.
Yeah, yeah, anything buggy about it?

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Anything you're like, I don't know
why, I wait, I know

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we talked about, you know,
Juliet Lewis and Anthony Oaplia, But as

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far as the story goes or anything, it'sikes for you, Brad. Yeah,

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there are some things that maybe don't
match or a little too you know,

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oh that wouldn't happen so quickly.
But you are watching like a sitcom,

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you know, it's yeah, absolutely
very sitcom. Ask and you know

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you just you have to accept the
ridiculous at all. Yeah, I think

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you're right when you say it's like
watching a long sitcom episode, because just

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when you think they can't do something
more deranged or more you know, just

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absurd, Yeah, they do it, you know, and and it does.

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It does like the beats of this
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know, Madeline Cohn hooking up with
the neighbor that she hates. Just I

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mean, look at it. Look
at her day. I mean, oh

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yeah, her day is so awful
that she's just like, I'm going for

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it. And but it's because it's
a Christmas movie. You you root for

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at that point. Yeah, you
know you like it. Steve Martin and

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Rita Wilson when they get together,
I got admit, uh, starts off

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kind of creepy. Yeah, but
then you know ends, you know,

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they end up together. But you
know still, you know, not so

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sure about that that moment. But
I don't know. I'll tell you one

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thing, if I have something that
I don't like, and you're you're gonna

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be I know, this is such
a weird thing that, like, it

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was difficult for me to watch this
all the way through. Seeing Steve Martin

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with with dark hair. With dark
hair, yeah, it just felt wrong.

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I can get behind Christmas in Santa
Monica or Venice Beach, whatever it

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was. I can get behind some
of the nonsense that's going on for whatever

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reason. I just had a lot
of trouble with Steve Martin with dark hair.

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I need I need that white haired
Steve Martin. It's it. But

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it wasn't like he had like long, you know, hair like John Chiabolton

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pulp fiction. You know, it
was. It was Steve Martin hair,

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but just a different color. Yeah, he's wearing his signature haircut. It's

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just it's dark brown. It just
but the thing is too though, with

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something like that, you're saying,
well, this isn't your house sitter or

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your Father of the Bride film.
This one's gonna be a little bit of

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a different one, a little bit
darker one, you know, because it's,

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like I said, not a big
movie when it came out, you

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know, for being the follow up
to Sleepless in Seattle. Not a big

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movie. Yeah, well let's let's
you mentioned Sleepless in Seattle. Let's let's

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talk a little bit about Nora Ephron. Now there isn't a whole lot really

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known about her. She was a
very very private person. I mean,

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the most of that A lot of
people knew about her. She was a

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male girl at Newsweek, and she
basically went from, you know, a

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screenwriter to a director. She was
pulled out by this publisher in nineteen sixty

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two fresh out of Wellsley College to
contribute to the New York Post satire,

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you know, and she just started
writing, and she ended up getting the

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attention of Mike Nichols, and she
ended up writing Silkwood with Meryl Streep.

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I think I've never seen Silkwood,
which is shit because Kurt Russell's in it

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and Meryl Streep. Why I never
seen it. I recommend it, Yeah,

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and then Heartburn with another Mike Nichols
movie with I believe it is Meryl

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Streep again and Jack Nicholson. Yeah. I saw that when I was too

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young to understand it, so I
don't know if it'd be good now.

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I don't know if I could have
had it on cable one time. But

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you know, But I mean,
she had a stellar career and she was

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not just really an influencer to women
drugs, but just to directors, and

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the thing that she did with romantic
comedies. The thing she does so well

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is the thing that Hallmark Channel has
been trying to do for decades and they

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just can't do it like she did
it. No, I mean it just

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she knew how to show you from
the very beginning. She does it with

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this movie too. You know,
from the very beginning, whether you're watching

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slips of Seattle, when Harry met
Sally, this film here, you want

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that that couple to get together because
right away she has written to it,

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these two should get together, but
they're not going to do it right away.

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And especially in Sea. Listen Seattle, and when Harry met Sally,

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you are clawing at the screen,
screaming, will you two just get together?

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You want the stars to align for
them. And she holds it and

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makes you just wait for it and
wait for it. And and that's that's

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something that's really hard to do,
and she was, she was fantastic at

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it. Yeah. Well, she
she creates these characters that have to fight

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to get together, they have to
fight for each other. Yeah, and

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you, as the audience member,
you're fighting for them to get together.

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So you're absolutely right. I think
it's eighty nine when when she writes Harry

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when Harry met Sally. Yeah,
I kind of feel like, right there,

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she just takes the crown as the
queen of these types of films.

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Oh yeah, I mean she basically
is. I mean she always. I

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mean it sounds like she was brilliant
from the very beginning. You know,

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she had attracted people. You know, she was married to Carl Bernstein for

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years. Yeah, and there's a
rumor, I don't know if it's true

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or not, that she did contribute
to some of the writing on segments of

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All the President's Men Book. I
mean, she was with him at the

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time, and then she divorces him
and she marries Nicholas Poleggi, who wrote

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Casino and Goodfellas with Scorsese. So
she loves her writers, you know.

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I mean, maybe she's doing a
little bit of ghostwriting on some of those

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projects. Yeah, I mean I
wouldn't. I wouldn't put it past anybody.

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But so let's talk about her.
I mean, I'm talking about some

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amazing work as a director, and
she only does eight features. Yeah,

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Sleepless in Seattle in ninety three,
which again solidifies her as she's the queen

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of the rom com Yeah, or
not even the rom com the you know,

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like the romantic movie, right,
Yeah, I mean it's usually romantic

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light comedy. You know, it's
usually very endearing in a way. So,

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you know, she gets Tom Hanks
and Meg Ryan together ninety three.

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Obviously we're talking about Mixed Nuts,
which comes out in ninety four, takes

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a couple of years off. Did
you ever see Michael? I didn't see

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00:31:18.559 --> 00:31:23.400
Michael, And it's an enjoyable film, a very enjoyable film. Yeah,

406
00:31:23.599 --> 00:31:27.000
does that in ninety six, a
couple years later, she's back. She

407
00:31:27.039 --> 00:31:30.799
gets the band back together, right
with Hanks and Meg Ryan. You've Got

408
00:31:30.799 --> 00:31:34.160
Mail in ninety eight, which I
love. I don't know, have you

409
00:31:34.200 --> 00:31:37.680
Did you ever see that one?
I never saw it, but I mean

410
00:31:37.799 --> 00:31:42.720
it was huge, it was huge. But like I said, she makes

411
00:31:42.759 --> 00:31:48.799
these very simple movies. To do
a film that's a romantic comedy about You've

412
00:31:48.799 --> 00:31:53.920
Got Mail right when that kind of
boom you know, was taking place,

413
00:31:55.000 --> 00:31:59.279
and to really nab it before she
took over the world. Yeah, she's

414
00:31:59.279 --> 00:32:02.799
doing She's she's taking a classic movie, you know, shop around the Corner

415
00:32:02.799 --> 00:32:07.720
with Spencer Tracy, and she's injecting
something new that was happening, you know,

416
00:32:07.799 --> 00:32:09.279
the Internet, was kind of still
new in ninety eight. Yeah,

417
00:32:09.359 --> 00:32:14.640
you know, and yeah, the
whole you've got male thing with AOL.

418
00:32:14.799 --> 00:32:19.079
So yeah it and again you're like, what's funny is this time? Like

419
00:32:19.119 --> 00:32:22.400
because you want to see Hanks and
Ryan together, but this is a great

420
00:32:22.480 --> 00:32:25.759
story where they're kind of enemies at
the beginning. They don't they don't care

421
00:32:25.799 --> 00:32:31.720
for each other. Yeah, she
did not write like one sided. No,

422
00:32:31.799 --> 00:32:35.480
you know, not not one sided. You know, both characters were,

423
00:32:35.880 --> 00:32:40.240
you know, male and female were
ridiculously flawed. They're never perfect.

424
00:32:40.720 --> 00:32:45.480
She's like, oh, the guy
just needs to remember that I'm the princess.

425
00:32:45.599 --> 00:32:50.000
No, no, no, she
she makes it very hard on both

426
00:32:50.359 --> 00:32:52.559
both parties. Yeah, well she
writes. I mean, her writing is

427
00:32:52.960 --> 00:32:58.160
very well balanced. I think you
know, whether she's writing for the male

428
00:32:58.240 --> 00:33:01.000
lead or the female lead leave it. See. And here's the thing that's

429
00:33:01.200 --> 00:33:06.640
very hard to do that a lot
of male writers have a problem with is

430
00:33:06.680 --> 00:33:12.400
writing for women. Most guys can't
nor Ephron can seem to write for both

431
00:33:12.480 --> 00:33:17.079
men and women. So usually it's
not usually it's not that hard for women

432
00:33:17.119 --> 00:33:22.480
to write for men, but writing
for women is really hard, and she's

433
00:33:22.519 --> 00:33:28.440
able to just float them. So
nicely. Yeah, uh, you know,

434
00:33:28.480 --> 00:33:30.039
after you got mail, I know, she has a couple of movie,

435
00:33:30.119 --> 00:33:34.359
a couple more movies. She gets
back together with Travolta for Lucky Numbers.

436
00:33:34.759 --> 00:33:37.079
Yeah, I didn't see it.
I don't know. Yeah, I

437
00:33:37.119 --> 00:33:42.359
mean these last couple. I didn't
see Bewitched with the with Nicole Kidman.

438
00:33:42.799 --> 00:33:46.200
Yeah, and I didn't see that
either, hype. Yeah, it just

439
00:33:46.240 --> 00:33:52.039
didn't really hit. Yeah, it
just you know, and you mentioned,

440
00:33:52.079 --> 00:33:54.839
uh, you mentioned what she passed
away. I think it was in twenty

441
00:33:54.880 --> 00:33:59.759
twelve. Yeah, but Julie and
Julia was her and that was that was

442
00:33:59.799 --> 00:34:02.920
a Oh that was her. Yeah, okay, that was that was good.

443
00:34:04.279 --> 00:34:06.319
Yeah, that was pretty I never
all. You got to see it.

444
00:34:07.039 --> 00:34:09.639
I did. I did watch it. A friend of mine, who

445
00:34:10.840 --> 00:34:15.320
for whatever reason was a big fan
of Julia Child's, recommended it. And

446
00:34:15.440 --> 00:34:19.400
when she recommends something I I typically
like, Okay, I'm gonna check it

447
00:34:19.400 --> 00:34:22.280
out. Even if I and I
looked at that movie going not my cup

448
00:34:22.320 --> 00:34:27.320
of tea. But it it was
good. And again she's she's teaming up

449
00:34:27.320 --> 00:34:30.559
with Meryl Streep for what the third
time, I think the first time then,

450
00:34:30.639 --> 00:34:37.800
so uh yeah, she does uh, she does good with I like

451
00:34:37.880 --> 00:34:44.639
that she has like her group of
actors and actresses that she she goes back

452
00:34:44.639 --> 00:34:47.840
to the well too, Yeah,
to team up with because they had a

453
00:34:47.880 --> 00:34:52.400
lot of good stuff. Yeah.
I mean she always worked with talented people.

454
00:34:52.400 --> 00:34:54.199
I mean, I mean, like
you said, this cast, you

455
00:34:54.199 --> 00:34:58.920
know, we we may have not
liked not everyone's performance in it, but

456
00:34:58.960 --> 00:35:05.280
these are all talented people. You
know, they've done great work. You

457
00:35:05.320 --> 00:35:09.440
know, well with you talking about
the talent that she works with, you

458
00:35:09.480 --> 00:35:15.000
know, obviously, sadly we were
not going to get another Nora Efron film,

459
00:35:15.880 --> 00:35:19.679
but I would ask you this,
if we were going to get another

460
00:35:19.719 --> 00:35:23.039
one, you know, think about
think about this. She worked with Meryl

461
00:35:23.079 --> 00:35:30.079
Streep several times, Meg Ryan several
times, Tom Hanks, Nicholson. She

462
00:35:30.159 --> 00:35:32.280
worked with Steve Martin twice because she
wrote My Blue Heaven. Also that was

463
00:35:32.320 --> 00:35:36.760
a Steve Mark Russell, Kurt Russell. So, if you were going to

464
00:35:36.800 --> 00:35:43.400
get another Nora Efron film, is
there a particular leading man or leading lady

465
00:35:43.480 --> 00:35:47.760
that you would want to see her
team up with one more time? I'd

466
00:35:47.800 --> 00:35:52.559
say it would have to be somebody
like a veteran I would have liked to

467
00:35:52.599 --> 00:35:58.679
have seen her maybe do something with
Harrison Ford. You know, I think

468
00:35:58.719 --> 00:36:06.239
he would have been a great Nora
Efron male lead for her, kind of

469
00:36:06.280 --> 00:36:10.280
like his Sabrina remake. Yeah,
I don't know what about you. I

470
00:36:10.280 --> 00:36:15.280
mean you had to pick somebody.
I mean, I mean we didn't say

471
00:36:15.280 --> 00:36:19.840
a female either, though. Well, I'll tell you what you gave us.

472
00:36:20.039 --> 00:36:24.039
You gave us the lead actor.
I'll give you the lead actress again.

473
00:36:24.079 --> 00:36:27.559
I know, I said, she
usually does like the side role,

474
00:36:27.960 --> 00:36:30.519
you know, of the trusted friend. But give me another Rita Wilson.

475
00:36:31.199 --> 00:36:35.320
Give me some more Rita Wilson.
Yeah, another Rita Wilson, maybe upfront

476
00:36:35.360 --> 00:36:37.719
and center. I mean, you
know, romantic comedy is hard to do,

477
00:36:38.760 --> 00:36:42.239
you know, very very hard to
do. I mean good. I

478
00:36:42.239 --> 00:36:45.920
mean how many times do we see
trailers to romantic comedies and we go,

479
00:36:45.239 --> 00:36:50.320
h, I don't want to do
it. But you know, the Nora

480
00:36:50.400 --> 00:36:55.119
Efron made romantic comedies that did make
guys like me and you maybe not want

481
00:36:55.119 --> 00:36:58.320
to watch them right away, but
when we were forced to watch them,

482
00:36:58.320 --> 00:37:00.800
we were very glad that we did. I'll I'll tell you right now.

483
00:37:01.199 --> 00:37:07.159
Sleepless in Seattle and You've got Mail
are in my collection because they're fantastic films.

484
00:37:07.920 --> 00:37:12.880
So any any any final thoughts about
this one, brad Well, I

485
00:37:12.920 --> 00:37:15.760
mean, now you know what it's
like. Now you know what it's like

486
00:37:15.960 --> 00:37:20.159
for Christmas in Venice Beach, California. You know what it looks like.

487
00:37:20.400 --> 00:37:22.599
And I don't know about you,
but it looks like he lives just a

488
00:37:22.639 --> 00:37:25.920
few buildings down from marrying Koe Bretty. I don't know if you notice that

489
00:37:27.079 --> 00:37:32.280
or not. I mean, well
you said because you would know he's this

490
00:37:32.360 --> 00:37:35.519
is Venice where they're at, right, Yeah, And this is another thing

491
00:37:35.519 --> 00:37:40.960
about Venice. Venice is never that
not crowded. Ever, I don't know

492
00:37:42.639 --> 00:37:45.239
what they did if they parted the
seas to get just a few people on

493
00:37:45.280 --> 00:37:49.440
the Barwrock. You know what.
I don't know if it was that light

494
00:37:49.559 --> 00:37:52.639
back in nineteen ninety four, but
I can't imagine that it was that light

495
00:37:52.719 --> 00:38:00.199
in foot traffic on the boardwalk that
close to the to the to the each

496
00:38:00.199 --> 00:38:05.639
more black app And yeah, his
his his place does look reminiscent of maryon

497
00:38:05.719 --> 00:38:08.239
COBRETTI hes right, but it was
Cobra was that he was? That was

498
00:38:08.320 --> 00:38:10.840
Venice Beach also, Yeah, it
was Venice Beach as well. Yeah,

499
00:38:12.360 --> 00:38:15.599
I feel like even like the shot
like of like the cars by the beach

500
00:38:15.639 --> 00:38:17.920
and like I always feel like that's
the exact same shot. Well that's for

501
00:38:19.000 --> 00:38:22.039
Dayton Johnson. The best Yeah,
the best thing I'm thinking right now somewhere

502
00:38:22.159 --> 00:38:27.039
Dayton Johnson from documents from listen.
He's been, he's been, he's been

503
00:38:27.159 --> 00:38:30.639
enjoying this episode right up until this
moment. And now he's shaking his head

504
00:38:30.639 --> 00:38:35.199
to discuss because we have found a
way to talk about Cobra yes again,

505
00:38:35.840 --> 00:38:37.199
which which I'm shaking my head.
I can't believe we're still doing it.

506
00:38:37.239 --> 00:38:43.320
But uh, listen, Brad.
I want to thank you for pointing this

507
00:38:43.360 --> 00:38:47.920
movie out last year and I was
happy to put this in my rotation.

508
00:38:49.440 --> 00:38:52.840
Uh. I actually I saw it
on the Peacock app streaming free with commercials

509
00:38:52.840 --> 00:38:55.639
on Peacock right now. Yeah,
this was a lot of fun. Though.

510
00:38:57.039 --> 00:38:59.400
I enjoyed this though, you know, I was. I was very

511
00:38:59.400 --> 00:39:01.079
excited when I all I got pushed
on Peacock and I was like, Oh,

512
00:39:01.159 --> 00:39:05.920
we're gonna be doing our our mixed
nuts episode, like people can actually

513
00:39:05.960 --> 00:39:08.639
see it. Yeah. So,
uh, for those of you, whether

514
00:39:08.679 --> 00:39:13.920
you have the you're paying for Peacock
or you you've just got the free version

515
00:39:14.280 --> 00:39:17.320
doesn't matter because I you know it's
there and it's it's streaming for free.

516
00:39:17.360 --> 00:39:24.400
So if you have watched a Christmas
Story or you know Christmas Vacationion like six

517
00:39:24.440 --> 00:39:28.679
times already this holiday season, you
want to mix it up a little bit,

518
00:39:29.039 --> 00:39:30.719
maybe go with mixed nuts, right, Brad, Yeah, that's exactly

519
00:39:30.840 --> 00:39:36.719
right. Yeah, well listen,
Uh, it's time for us to wrap

520
00:39:36.760 --> 00:39:40.840
it up. And uh, for
those of you that like what you hear,

521
00:39:42.000 --> 00:39:45.960
please like, subscribe, follow,
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522
00:39:46.840 --> 00:39:52.599
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523
00:39:52.079 --> 00:39:55.960
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524
00:39:55.960 --> 00:40:01.519
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525
00:40:01.559 --> 00:40:07.960
Podcast at gmail dot com or messaging
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526
00:40:08.440 --> 00:40:13.079
at a film buy Brad, I'll
go ahead and say, I know we

527
00:40:13.559 --> 00:40:16.519
might have mentioned this an episode of
two ago. We had someone do just

528
00:40:16.639 --> 00:40:22.079
that. Who who contacted us on
Facebook I believe it was, and gave

529
00:40:22.159 --> 00:40:28.480
us some great suggestions for a movie
we're going to cover next month. If

530
00:40:28.480 --> 00:40:30.239
I'm not mistaken. If I'm not, you know, I don't have the

531
00:40:30.280 --> 00:40:34.320
schedule for me, but I'm pretty
sure we're talking about a Kevin Reynolds film

532
00:40:35.280 --> 00:40:38.239
next month based on suggestion by one
of our listeners, and not the first

533
00:40:38.280 --> 00:40:40.800
time it's happened for us, and
then probably won't be the last. And

534
00:40:40.840 --> 00:40:46.440
we want to say happy Holidays to
all of our listeners and your family extended

535
00:40:46.480 --> 00:40:52.320
and friends. I hope everyone is
safe, and please keep listening, and

536
00:40:52.360 --> 00:40:55.239
we'll keep pumping them out as much
as we can. Merry Christmas, Brad,

537
00:40:57.119 --> 00:41:07.119
Happy Out Lady is much too early
in the game. Oh, but

538
00:41:07.320 --> 00:41:15.079
I thought i'd ask you just the
same. What are you to mean?

539
00:41:16.079 --> 00:41:29.119
You? You wonder