Peter Hyams - 2010: The Year We Make Contact

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Hello, Jeff, please believe me. We need to talk about a film

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by Peter Hyens, the nineteen eighty
four sci fi sequel twenty ten, the

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year we made Contact. Something's going
to happen? Andrew? What? What

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is going to happen? Something wonderful? Hello everybody. I'm Jeff Johnson,

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I'm Andrew Blakeley, and I'm Amber
Lewis, and this is a film by

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podcast. I know you both are
very excited to discuss this one. Andrew,

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obviously you are a two time visitor
to UH to Space Camp. You

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were the Shutle, you were the
Shuttle commander. Correct, Yeah, I

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won the Right Stuff Award. I
I don't you know. I don't like

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to brag about it too much.
It's just hanging in my car window.

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It's fine. Yeah, you're you. Uh if I if, if ever

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there was a NASA expert on this
shows, it's got to be you.

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However, I don't know. Amber
also, Uh, she's she's got a

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little bit of a of a tie
to NASA, Is that right, Amber?

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A little bit? Yeah? My
dad worked for a company that made

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the parts for the Mercury missions and
May Shuttle and all that cool stuff.

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So some of those hinges and buckles
and things were my dad and he loved

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science fiction. So two thousand and
one and twenty ten were movies that we

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watched and enjoyed together, and he
explained all the science to me. I

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absolutely love the fact. You know
this twenty ten the year we make contact.

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You've got you've got Roy Scheider working
with Dame Helen Mirren, and here

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I am, I've got Andrew Blakelee
working with Dame Amber Lewis. This is

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it's gonna be a fun one.
Guys. Uh, December Helen Mirren in

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the sceneria, right, yeah,
what if you if you want to be

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the Dame, that's fine, man, that's totally that's totally fine. I'll

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tell you December and nineteen eighty four
it's a strong sci fi month at the

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box office. Twenty ten is competing
with John Carpenter's Starman and David Lynch's Dune.

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That's that's heavy. Yeah. Wow, Well, and they're all three

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so different that there's a little something
for everybody. Could you imagine being like

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a sci fi fan in nineteen eighty
four and just looking at December and just

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like your local theater And here's another
one. And another one and another one.

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Yeah, it's great time to be
a sci fi kid in eighty four.

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I do have to ask this question
though, I was watching the original

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trailer the other day. It really
plays up the events of two thousand and

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one A Space Odyssey. So my
question to you guys, is it mission

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critical to see it before watching twenty
ten, the year we make contact?

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I don't think so. Actually,
as a kid, I liked this one

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more, which I think has a
lot to do with it being a more

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traditional story format and more character driven. But I don't think you need to

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see two thousand and one. They
feel like two entirely unrelated movies at times.

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Obviously, we all know two thousand
and one A Space Odyssey. But

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Amber, for those that maybe haven't
seen this film twenty ten, can you

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give us a little synopsis? Tell
us what this one is all about?

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This time? Absolutely? This is
a joint American Soviet expedition sent to Jupiter

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to discover what went wrong with the
USS discovery against a backdrop of growing global

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tensions. Amongst the mysteries the expedition
must explain are the appearance of a huge

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black monolith in Jupiter's orbit and the
fate of how the Discovery's AI computer.

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I know we are going to talk
a little bit about how nine thousand so

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but more on that later. But
uh, you get that Amber, You

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get that huge exposition dump at the
beginning of the film with Haywood's mission report,

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which I love because it's doing that
you can almost hear like the the

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type, yes, the scrolling cross
you know, it's very very alien and

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aliens, and you kind of like
you get like the whole you basically get

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the synopsis for two thousand and one
of Space Odyssey right there. So I'm

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just wondering, And that's what I'm
wondering, Like, you know, do

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you have to watch two thousand and
one to really enjoy this film. I

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don't think you do, But you
guys are the experts. I wanted to

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find out what you thought. So
yeah, no, I think that,

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like my love for two thousand and
one has no bounds. I can go

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off on a tangent really easily.
It's just an absolute piece of art.

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So I think if you try to
put that onto this movie, you're going

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to end up being disappointed in what
is a really good science fiction movie.

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Stanley Kubrick. I mean he two
thousand and one is a masterpiece. We

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all know it, but he has
zero interest in directing a sequel. So

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the studio goes after Peter Hyams,
based off the success of his film with

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Sean Connery that he did Outland in
nineteen eighty one, which I know we'll

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probably talk a little bit when we
get to the filmography, but it was

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a bold swing to get Hyams.
You know, I like Outland. We'll

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talk about other filmography. I've nothing
against the guy, but I feel like

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this was almost This is too much
to put on almost anybody's shoulders, and

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I don't know that he had the
pedigree leading up to this to do it.

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Having said that, I think he
made a great film, a great

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sci fi film, But I can't
imagine if somebody came up to me and

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said, hey, we want you
to make a sequel to arguably the best

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sci fi movie ever and some people's
you know, list as the greatest movie

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ever. Just make a sequel to
that. No big deal. Let's talk

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a little bit about this cast.
So Roy Scheider, because heywood Floyd.

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He replaces William Silvester who played the
part in two thousand and one. But

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that guy had aged out of the
role, so now we got Shier.

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I'm loving Schier and this. I
mean, you love Schier and everything,

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but he is I don't say.
He's arguably a completely different Heywood. Floyd.

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I couldn't agree more. He's so
likable, He's got that perfect everyman

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energy that makes him great and something
like Jaws. But I just I didn't

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feel like it was right for Floyd. He does great, but I definitely

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like him. But I can't picture
that every man who loves a baseball hot

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dog is also the former director of
the equivalent of NASA. It's just I

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don't see super genius scientist and Roy
Scheider in the same thought well, and

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Floyd in the first one is he's
like a political, kind of slimy liar.

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I mean, he really retcon his
character to make him the hero of

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this movie, and he's much more
likable this time around. Right, Yeah,

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you know you mentioned Jaws. I'd
be remiss if I didn't say.

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You know, I tell you what
I see. I see a lot of

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Chief Brody, only because he did. You guys pick up on the fact

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that we are introduced to him.
He's dressed like Chief Brody, he's got

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the kaki shorts and the gray sweatshirt
from Jaws Do, and I'm absolutely loving

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that he's wearing like the khaki button
down with the double pockets, Like yeah,

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I was like, what's up,
Brody, I feel like that's just

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what Roy Scheider wears. He just
showed up to set in that and they

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were like perfect. Is it part
of his contract that he's just gonna wear

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his own flows? Maybe? And
He's say, these are my clothes.

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I like my clothes. Yeah,
Andrew, I know you, you know

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things all things NASA. I just
got to ask you, and Amber,

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I want you to chime in on
this question as well. I noticed the

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Russians wake him up from hypersleep and
he kind of needs help raising up.

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That is that? Is that accurate? Andrew? I mean it would make

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sense. Obviously hyper sleep is not
real, so it's you know, every

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sci fi has their own sort of
take on it. But I mean,

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your muscles would be atrophying, so
I'm sure they'd have to have ways of

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continually moving them and things like that. These are problems that we're still dealing

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with on the ISS is trying to
figure out how to maintain muscle mass maintain

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bone density, and that's with astronauts
actively working out and using all the equipment.

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So in hyper sleep there there'd have
to be some way to mitigate that.

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Obviously it's not touched on because it's
sci fi. You can kind of

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skip over some of the details,
but it makes sense that it would be

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difficult waking up and readjusting. I
just want to remind you both that in

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the greatest film of nineteen eighty six, Aliens, when Vasquez woke up,

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she started doing pull ups for reps. So is Vasquez really, I mean,

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just too Is she just too bad? A superwoman? Like she's just

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too bad? Yeah? When Drake's
like, you're just too bad, too

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bad, I guess you are if
you can do hyper sleep and then you

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start you like five feet tall and
carrying that machine gun thing around. Yeah,

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I'll tell you about another Let's talk
about another lady that is also just

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too bad. Dame Helen Mirren is
playing Tanya Kerbuck. She is the whole

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movie for me. Yeah. Absolutely. When I saw this as a kid,

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there was no other place almost that
you could see a woman in control,

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being the boss, taking charge of
things, making decisions. In sci

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fi. Yeah, that was the
niche. So this is this is something

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that I love about sci fi especially
is its ability to be progressive in a

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way that feels really normal. But
you know, as we see a female

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commander of a Russian mission in a
US based movie, that would have been

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unheard of because Sally Ride had only
gone up about a year prior to this

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coming out, the first American female
in space. But the Russians didn't really

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have that same lag we did.
Valentina Tereshkova was the first woman in space

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and she went up in nineteen sixty
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all unheard of for the Russians to
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this, even in the eighties.
I don't know if you guys know this.

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Helen Marren, she got her SAG
card because of this movie. This

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is her American film debut. Oh
wow, and what a movie to you

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know, introduce yourself to American audiences
because she's fantastic in this. Another little

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fun fact. Peter Hyams he obviously
he writes and directs this film, and

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you know is cinematographer. He pays
tribute to Stanley Kubrick with this character Andrew,

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you know, Okay, both of
you know, it looks like he

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wrote on your heads. Yeah,
uh, Tanya Kerbuck Kerbuck Kubrick spelled backwards.

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M hmm. That's that's just I
love when writers do that, and

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also funneled on to Kubrick at one
point where magazine's thrown down with the leader

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of both Russia and the United States, and the the Russian leader is just

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a drawing of Stanley Kubrick on the
cover of Time magazine. I gotta go

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back now because I I remember that. I remember the scene where you see

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the Time magazine and I just just
a quick glance. I just thought it

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was like Reagan and Gorbachev, or
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this is we're way beyond the eighties. But speaking of Gorbachev. Uh,

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Helen Mirren actually speaks Russian. There's
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there there there's Russian descent. However, she speaks it with an English accent,

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like, you know, perfect English
accent. What did what did you

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guys think on her on her Russian
accent in this movie? Is it?

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Is it a little over emphasized as
a little you know, to count Dracula

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sounding or is it just young point. I did actually google do Russians have

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like modifiers in their speech? Because
they always drop the words A and in

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them and it drives me completely insane. I hate it, But they actually

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don't, so those articles aren't there. I watched this movie a lot in

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high school. I was I played
an Eastern European character in our version of

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Twelve Angry Men, and I watched
this was one of the movies I watched

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several times to try to practice my
fake Eastern European accent. So I hope

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it was accurate because that's what I
was facing mine on. It's a little

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Boris and Natasha, but it's fine. Yeah, it is eighty four.

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What do you want? Let's talk
eighty four. Andrew, you and I

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were talking. We mentioned this last
week when we were doing The Man from

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Uncle, that we were doing this, and we we talked. I mistakenly

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said Russian John Lithgow. I don't
know why I remember this movie because I

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watched this all the time when I
was a little kid. I always remembered.

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I always thought John Lithgow was one
of the Russians. But he's he's

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not. He's playing Walter Kernow.
He's one of the Americans, one of

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the three Americans on the shuttle.
This is a big year for Lithgow because

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he's got the Adventures of Bucker Rubondsi. I was gonna say that's the movie

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you're thinking of, because he's got
that ridiculous accent in that. I think

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that's what it is. I think
I just kind of blended the movies because

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he's got Buck Rubond's eye, he's
got twenty ten and he's he's got footloose.

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This is a huge year for John
Lithgow, and he's fun in this

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movie. He'd been coming off of
a couple of nominations for Best Actor as

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well, so he's he was on
a hot streak. It's wild though,

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you know, seeing this is forty
years ago and he's still bald with white

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hair. I didn't he still looks
old forty years ago. He's just he

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Yeah, he looks like John Lithgow. Yeah, exactly. He's one of

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those guys like like Sam Elliott.
They just they have a look and they

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never they never went away from that
look. You know, if it isn't

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broke, don't think exactly. Uh. I like seeing Litko here another one.

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I like seeing a big time character
actor, you know, one of

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one of those celebrated that guys.
Bob Balaban as doctor Chandram. Prolific TV

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actor, TV director. He's been
on everything from Miami Vice to Amazing Stories

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to Seinfeld and he's directed those things. It's weird, though, you know,

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when you see him and you're like, Chandra, that's he doesn't look

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like a Chandra. No Indian actor
they could cast, not one. See

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that's I like that. You bring
that up, Amber, because Arthur C.

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Clark wanted Ben Kingsley for this role. Oh my god, you know,

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and and uh and Chandra is a
Hindu deity, you know, and

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obviously Kingsley famously plays Gandhi. So
he they were looking at him the whole

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time. And I don't know why
they didn't get him. I don't know

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what the situation was, but I
feel like playing the exact same character that

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he played in Close Encounters, he
is. Yeah, you're not wrong,

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he just got shorter here. Yeah, he's definitely. He is one of

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my favorite seeds of the movie.
And we'll get to that here in a

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little bit. But he didn't really
feel like I didn't feel like he got

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to do it really a whole lot
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about a little bit later, but
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there's such a tense scene, and
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it home in a way that anybody
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yeah, we got We obviously have
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the original two thousand and one,
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I look, I know this guy
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he's in these the you know,
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I don't remember him in anything else. He is in a fabulously campy movie

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called Bunny Lake Is Missing that you
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Bunny Lake Is Missing. I'm writing
down with Sir Laurence Olivier. Wow,

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it is a hoot and a half. I don't I kind of don't want

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that though, because like in my
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Like anything else? Yeah, Yeah, they say his name and I'm

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like, wait, who are you
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that's David Bowman. What do you
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like it would be very jarring.
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anything else because especially in two thousand
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is he is iconic, and he's
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I think it'd be hard to dissociate. Here's the thing, and and Amber,

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you can you can tell us if
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the thing about him his performance.
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and in that movie, Jeff Bridges
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thinks is a is a human,
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does. Like his his look,
it's almost creepy. I'm not gonna lie

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like, I kind of get creeped
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his that blank, you know,
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in this bunny late movie Amber or
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it just just to see him in
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still a little bowmanish in Black Christmas, which we covered last last Christmas.

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didn't really age. Yes, I
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like, did they put a ton
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it's like, now that's just his
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to google this one. It's a
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Bowman in this is played by the
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what, I didn't realize that I
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like, wait, that da Chanelle's
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check this out. Yes, that's
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Missus Bowman and she was also Missus
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time I see her. That's all
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the wife of not one, but
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that's impressive. That's okay, all
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Yeah, but she does have a
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Is there anyone I'm missing? I
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people in here, but I just
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young man that plays Christopher Floyd Kenny
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is him, isn't it oh man, yep. And then the delightful Candice

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Bergen is the voice of Sal that
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gotta read. You know when you
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voice, and I did not hear
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have to go back and watch it
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soal nine thousand scene with with Chandra
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H So you asked if we had
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say it was great they were able
to get Douglas rain Back to be the

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voice of How nobody else could have
done it. I don't know what they

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would have done such an do it. Yeah, and you know what,

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we can talk about his character a
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how and how it evolves in this
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he looks like, and again I
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like red dot. Yes, he's
a he's a he's a a glowing red

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orb that is that is menacing and
terrifying. Yeah, that's that's sort of

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the hero of the story, right, Yeah, very very much of redemption

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arc for how nine thousand and this. Ye, and I know, I

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know we're gonna talk about that scene
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quick break and when we get back, we'll talk. We'll talk some of

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these scenes. Welcome back. We
are discussing Peter Him's twenty ten, the

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year we make contact. Before we
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go through this a little bit.
A couple couple couple of scenes that are

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worth noting. I think, first
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to get ready for the mission.
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You can do without that. I
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And to me, you could cut
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missing. Wow. No, no
moments with his wife, the wife from

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Funny Farm not forget her name,
but like, I think you need those

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moments to kind of you know,
we talked about we talked about Schider playing

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a more likable version of Heywood.
I like the interaction he has with with

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the kid, you know, kind
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believe that when Andrew trains with his
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or they're doing sit ups the same
the same way. You know, I

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see I see Andrew like helping him
up, and then you know, back

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and forth. I will say one
of the big things that I love about

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this movie that it did so differently
than two thousand and one is this is

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a much more human movie where who
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human, and what it means to
be an emotional being is much more in

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the forefront. So having these moments
to actively humanize him, I think is

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really important for making this movie what
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two thousand and one. Yeah,
I think that's a really good point,

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because I was really just stuck on
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they just felt like they needed to
hold your hand and explain every little detail,

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and I'm like, no, you
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the humanist perspective, though, is
that's a much more nurturing viewpoint? I

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think so, Amber, not your
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there a scene that you just really
you really love them in the film.

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I love the air braking scene,
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on the screen for them. There's
this little moment after they're done and everybody's

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just kind of like, oh,
thank god we lived, and Helen Mirren

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gives therself one little second of feeling
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I love that they don't translate the
Russian. You're just lesstasic, not knowing

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what they're saying. But she looks
at her you know, flight commander and

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makes a comment and he just kind
of does this double take, and I

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swear I change what I think she
says every time, but it's usually something

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like you know, eh, one's
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I love that little like face work
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you have this whole interaction after that
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to talk about that scene because there's
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of it. The first of which
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the young Russian astronaut the cosmonauts,
again going back to my point that this

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is really focusing on the human aspect
and the fear, and they did a

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great job of showing that in the
little moment between them where they don't speak

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the same language, there's no communication, but it's just finding that connection.

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It's really powerful. But also at
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of me is a little annoyed watching
them try an aerobraking maneuver on Jupiter in

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a man spacecraft, which we had
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Like that's that's an insane choice.
Way nobody would ever approve that.

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Ever, Yeah, I say it
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know, you talking about the Russians. One thing I really like, you

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know, and Amber mentioned we don't
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works because there's a little bit of
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better moments in these in this film
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of trying to hash things out,
and it's almost like it's it's show and

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tell you know, I'll I'll tell
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a fantastic thing. As Amber been

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in uh in the synopsis, you
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happening at the you know, down
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America we're on the brink of war, and so for that to be happening,

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and then meanwhile, these these guys
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trying to you know, work it
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dynamic there where Yeah, are the
politicians back home? What's what's uh?

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What's what's shout out to say?
Like the politicians back home, they they

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they're they're asses, But we don't
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Let's let's work together. Liam.
He said, like, was it really

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like this? And I have to
constantly movies from this era have to explain

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to him it cannot be understated that
they were going to kill us, like

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they were crazy, they were going
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you just can't understand what living under
that kind of anxiety was like.

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So that tension, and especially you
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discuss all the conflict between these two
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which is when they're doing the EVA
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I mean, this is obviously it
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in movies we get so accustomed to

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the idea of just floating out in
space, but the first untethered VA only

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happened earlier that year in real life, so this is still a very tense

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moment. To do this next to
another world, it's absolutely crazy. So

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I think Liftgow does such a great
job of just being an engineer and panicking

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a little bit. I think that
would be a very human response. And

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the connection that he develops with his
Russian counterpart, and the way that they

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develop a friendship really quickly and like
are emotionally supporting each other is so impactful

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because of all the tension that's led
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my favorite parts of the whole movie. Well did you notice I didn't notice

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until this rewatch today he wears Max's
beret at the end. Mm hmm.

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I never nevericed that before, dude, I I didn't notice that. That's

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fantastic. Yeah, Well, like
like you're saying, like the bond that

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they have, it's you know,
and again I'm p you know, calling

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back to what you had said.
This is a very human movie and lift

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Gow. I love panics lift Gow, I love compassionate lift Gow, and

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I kind of feel like he's anchoring
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Helen Mirren and Roy Scheider they got
to play the hero role, and you've

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got all these other Russians that we
you know, they're just there manning the

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controls like it's like it's the bridgis
of Star Trek, so we don't really

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hear from them. And that leaves
it with uh with lift Gow, Who's

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who's making the bond with with with
these guys, and I love him in

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this movie. Let's talk. Let's
talk pivotal scene though, because I know

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for me what it is, I'm
guessing maybe we all have the same one.

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I'm going to just put it out
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thousand the truth about what's happening moment. I feel like the more important moment

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is the one where he tells Floyd, this is why you went nuts.

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Okay, let's let's talk talk about
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Well. One of the things about
two thousand and one, if you

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haven't seen twenty ten, is that
all of a sudden, you're on this

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mission and the computer is malfunctioning,
and the malfunction just cascades until you lose

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all the crew members and you finally
have to disconnect him. You don't know

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why this happened. It's just like
the computer suddenly just snapped, and so

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this huge emotional moment of you forced
him to lie and it's against the most

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basic of his programming, and he
couldn't handle it. He got stuck in

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a loop and you know, broke. It's just heartbreaking to me. And

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that I felt humanized him without him
having to do anything. That's a really

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good point. I think that,
you know, as the movie has gone

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out of its way to discuss what
it means to be human. How is

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just such a really interesting way of
looking at that, Because you watch two

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thousand and one, you think,
man, this robot, this machine is

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evil, It is homicidal, awful, and it's so old and you know,

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I'm sorry, I can't do that. And yeah, now, giving

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that its proper context and saying like
no, it was the politicians, the

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lying rulers that put it in this
position, lends a different angle to what

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it means to be human or sentient
at least, and I think that that's

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a that's a really cool angle to
it. Yeah, the original I remember

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thinking how terrifying. That voice was
because these guys are just trying to survive.

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And when you hear that, I'm
sorry, Dave, I can't do

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that. And then you see that
red that red, that red light just

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beaming out at you. He's terrifying. But when you get this, when

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you get his background, you find
out that he, you know, the

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HOW nine that was basically had like
a a you know, a psychotic break

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in the computer world because you know
to what you know, the way Emer

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was describing it. Now he's just
he's a sad character. He's a he's

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a tragic, tragic character and ultimately
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it with that context, is actually
sympathetic. Yeah, it's almost kind.

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This is the voice they tried to
make to be soothing, and that maybe

405
00:30:57.240 --> 00:31:00.519
made it scary, but in retrospect
it makes it kind of sad, and

406
00:31:00.559 --> 00:31:03.720
it's a sad scene like that,
you know, I think for you,

407
00:31:03.799 --> 00:31:07.640
like I said, the pivotal moment
for me is is doctor Chandra having his

408
00:31:07.680 --> 00:31:10.359
interaction with how where he tells him
the truth and you know, meanwhile,

409
00:31:10.359 --> 00:31:12.359
you got shier micd up and he's
like, go to a private channel,

410
00:31:12.720 --> 00:31:15.319
you know, tell this tell it
anything, you know. Like Schier is

411
00:31:15.359 --> 00:31:18.720
like, I don't give a shit, Like tell him whatever. We need

412
00:31:18.759 --> 00:31:21.720
to tell him, lie to him
so we can get out of here.

413
00:31:22.599 --> 00:31:26.200
And and Chandra, who who treats
How like like a person, is just

414
00:31:26.240 --> 00:31:32.319
like, yeah, the Discovery is
going to be destroyed. And it's almost

415
00:31:32.359 --> 00:31:34.599
like he's he's basically telling how like
you're going You're not going to survive,

416
00:31:36.319 --> 00:31:40.000
and it's just sad. When How's
like, you know, will I dream?

417
00:31:40.160 --> 00:31:42.160
You know, it's like I think
it's more said when he says,

418
00:31:42.359 --> 00:31:45.319
thank you for telling me the truth? Oh gosh, yeah, I know

419
00:31:47.039 --> 00:31:52.359
it gets me. That's a that's
a hard one. I love Chandra's response

420
00:31:52.400 --> 00:31:55.839
when when Hal asks will I dream? Because at the beginning when he's talking

421
00:31:55.839 --> 00:31:59.200
to Sally and he says, of
course all intelligent beings dream, and then

422
00:31:59.200 --> 00:32:01.880
for that callback and that the honest
answer is I don't know, yeah,

423
00:32:01.880 --> 00:32:07.039
because I felt like being like really
kind of patronizing. Yeah, he was

424
00:32:07.079 --> 00:32:10.960
just telling her what she wants to
hear. He was all, how how

425
00:32:12.039 --> 00:32:16.119
nine thousand just just the heartbreaker in
this movie, I think, And I

426
00:32:16.160 --> 00:32:19.960
love that they, Like you said
before, I love that they got the

427
00:32:19.960 --> 00:32:23.599
original actor back. No one else
could do this voice for sure. We're

428
00:32:23.599 --> 00:32:27.640
gonna take one more break and uh, and then we're gonna we're gonna talk

429
00:32:27.640 --> 00:32:37.240
about Peter Hims a little bit and
his uh, his impressive filmography. We

430
00:32:37.279 --> 00:32:40.160
are back, uh, Andrew.
Last week, we we kind of started

431
00:32:40.160 --> 00:32:44.759
something new, you know, we
we we kind of ditched the uh the

432
00:32:44.799 --> 00:32:49.440
director book report, you know,
uh doing I have a little more fun,

433
00:32:49.480 --> 00:32:51.920
a little you know, moving things
on a little bit more quickly.

434
00:32:52.480 --> 00:32:57.039
Two things you might not know about
this director and then uh and then a

435
00:32:57.119 --> 00:33:01.440
quote from from the man himself,
this one blows my mine. Before directing

436
00:33:01.480 --> 00:33:09.799
movies, Peter Hymes was an artist, a drummer for jazz musicians Bill Evans

437
00:33:09.799 --> 00:33:15.119
and Maynard Ferguson, and unbelievably,
at the age of twenty one, he's

438
00:33:15.160 --> 00:33:21.000
one of the youngest news anchors for
CBS News. Is it just me or

439
00:33:21.039 --> 00:33:24.279
should news anchors like twenty five years
old? Yeah? Right, aren't they?

440
00:33:24.319 --> 00:33:29.799
They're like your dad telling you exactly
You're they're not twenty one year olds

441
00:33:30.519 --> 00:33:34.799
on the on the on the desk, right. But Peter Jimes was,

442
00:33:34.799 --> 00:33:39.000
in fact one of them. He
is also one of the few filmmakers that

443
00:33:39.079 --> 00:33:44.119
prefer to write, direct, and
serve as cinematographer on their films, much

444
00:33:44.160 --> 00:33:49.799
like he does in twenty ten and
I love I love this this quote from

445
00:33:49.880 --> 00:33:51.960
him. You know, when you
think about his background, you know he's

446
00:33:52.039 --> 00:33:54.640
he's an artist, and you know, you know he does music, he

447
00:33:54.680 --> 00:33:58.920
does art, he's you know,
he's a filmmaker. Listen to this.

448
00:33:58.920 --> 00:34:05.000
This is this is a very twenty
ten how nine thousand things to say quote.

449
00:34:05.720 --> 00:34:08.519
I think there's no excuse for not
trying to make things look wonderful.

450
00:34:09.159 --> 00:34:15.719
I mean, I clearly fail more
than I succeed, except except that I

451
00:34:15.760 --> 00:34:21.880
don't fail for lack of trying.
I love that act. Great, that's

452
00:34:21.960 --> 00:34:25.239
a good one. That is really
good speaking it really good. We got

453
00:34:25.239 --> 00:34:30.480
to talk about his his his philmography, because it is all over the map.

454
00:34:31.880 --> 00:34:37.119
So we'll bounce around here a little
bit. He makes his his feature

455
00:34:37.119 --> 00:34:42.599
film debut nineteen seventy four. He
puts out two movies, one called Busting

456
00:34:43.159 --> 00:34:50.119
and one called Our Time, Our
Time Not I don't know. High school

457
00:34:50.119 --> 00:34:52.239
girl in a high school boy fall
in love, but no one wants him

458
00:34:52.239 --> 00:34:58.239
to fall in love whatever. Busting, though, we got to see Busting.

459
00:34:59.599 --> 00:35:01.440
I'm gonna I ask you, guys, I'm gonna ask. I'm gonna

460
00:35:01.440 --> 00:35:06.880
ask the listeners to go, whether
you go on YouTube or you can definitely

461
00:35:06.880 --> 00:35:08.920
go to IMDb because I saw it
on IMDb when I when you when you

462
00:35:08.920 --> 00:35:15.400
pull up Busting that you know IMDb
does the trailers right there. Busting is

463
00:35:15.440 --> 00:35:21.079
clearly like one of these grindhouse movies
where you get the uh, the you

464
00:35:21.119 --> 00:35:27.559
know, the narrator and it's like
busting and then you see like Elliott Gould,

465
00:35:28.039 --> 00:35:31.679
he's like a hard nosed seventies cop
who's on the edge. It's like,

466
00:35:31.880 --> 00:35:35.760
busting is not a pretty word.
And then you get a clip.

467
00:35:35.840 --> 00:35:38.639
Then busting is not a pretty thing
to do. It's like it's it's so

468
00:35:38.719 --> 00:35:44.360
great, but it's like and and
like the preview just splashes the big words

469
00:35:44.360 --> 00:35:46.960
in big bold letters, busting.
I'm like, I have got to see

470
00:35:46.960 --> 00:35:50.320
bust. I'm busting to sea Busting. I don't know if you guys have

471
00:35:50.360 --> 00:35:54.440
seen it, but it looks it
looks awesome. If they say the name

472
00:35:54.639 --> 00:35:59.639
enough, you'll go to the theater
and be kind of confused and just say

473
00:36:00.280 --> 00:36:01.800
I want to see Westing because that's
the only name that's in your head.

474
00:36:02.440 --> 00:36:06.559
If I was old enough in nineteen
seventy four to go to the theater and

475
00:36:06.599 --> 00:36:07.400
they'd be like, uh, yeah, what do you want, I'd be

476
00:36:07.440 --> 00:36:10.760
like busting. I'd be doing in
this guy's voice, because you gotta see.

477
00:36:10.760 --> 00:36:13.519
When you see the trailer, you
know what I'm talking about. It's

478
00:36:13.559 --> 00:36:15.400
fantastic. I'm gonna actually, i'm
gonna put it on our I'm gonna put

479
00:36:15.440 --> 00:36:19.960
on our Facebook page just so people
can find it faster. Please do.

480
00:36:20.079 --> 00:36:22.079
Yeah, I gotta see this thing. Oh, you're gonna love it.

481
00:36:22.119 --> 00:36:25.159
You're gonna love it. A year
later, nineteen seventy five, I'm just

482
00:36:25.199 --> 00:36:30.039
I'm just calling this out. He
does a movie called Peeper. Not what

483
00:36:30.119 --> 00:36:36.400
you think, it's actually h it's
actually yeah. He goes from Busting to

484
00:36:36.599 --> 00:36:40.679
Peeper, but not what you think. Peeper a slang term for a private

485
00:36:40.719 --> 00:36:46.280
eye, and Michael Kane it's not
well, hold on, I'm gonna pull

486
00:36:46.280 --> 00:36:50.800
it up here. This is nineteen
seventy five. Amber. You gotta it

487
00:36:50.840 --> 00:36:54.400
was. It was a it was
a simpler time. Look I'm reading it

488
00:36:54.400 --> 00:37:00.440
to you. Peeper in nineteen forty
seven, A smart mouth brit working in

489
00:37:00.559 --> 00:37:04.639
la as a private eye or peeper, is on a case to find the

490
00:37:04.639 --> 00:37:08.639
long lost daughter of a shady client, pursued by two dangerous goons. So

491
00:37:08.679 --> 00:37:14.239
there you have it. You know, Michael Caine, Natalie would, Mike

492
00:37:14.400 --> 00:37:17.519
Caana, Natalie would. It's got
to be good. It's yeah, you

493
00:37:17.559 --> 00:37:25.760
know, I'm still calling the name, all right, nineteen seventy seven.

494
00:37:28.639 --> 00:37:30.360
This one, I'm not gonna lie. This one was close to being our

495
00:37:30.400 --> 00:37:37.159
Peterheims episode, just because I've had
I've had a couple of people like Ohn

496
00:37:37.320 --> 00:37:40.840
Capricorn one. That's a you gotta
do Capricorn one. We were gonna do

497
00:37:40.880 --> 00:37:45.760
it on our film at forty five
for nineteen seventy eight, but it technically

498
00:37:45.800 --> 00:37:47.679
did come out in seventy seven,
so we had to we had to skip

499
00:37:47.719 --> 00:37:52.800
out on it. But Andrew,
you've seen Capricorn one. Oh yeah,

500
00:37:52.480 --> 00:37:57.039
yeah, find me nothing but seventies
and eighty sci fi growing up. So

501
00:37:57.079 --> 00:37:59.480
yes, of course I've seen Capricorn. It's awesome. Yeah, this one.

502
00:37:59.559 --> 00:38:01.199
Check this out. It's on It's
on Hulu, it's on Peacock.

503
00:38:01.920 --> 00:38:06.519
For the longest time, I thought
it was a really long episode of the

504
00:38:06.559 --> 00:38:12.599
Twilight Zone. You would not be
yet that it was a movie. Yeah,

505
00:38:12.679 --> 00:38:15.400
this one's so good too, all
star cast, right, Elli Golds

506
00:38:15.440 --> 00:38:22.000
back, from Elli Gould from from
Busting but James, James Brolin, Hal

507
00:38:22.000 --> 00:38:28.519
Holbrook, Karen Black, Telly Savalas
O j Simpson before his naked gun days

508
00:38:28.519 --> 00:38:32.199
and murdering, murdering days. I
honestly, I don't think Jymes gets twenty

509
00:38:32.239 --> 00:38:36.280
ten if it's not for Capricorn one. That's this is what got him the

510
00:38:36.440 --> 00:38:39.400
really Yeah, you see they say
that Outland got him, but you're saying

511
00:38:39.400 --> 00:38:43.360
it's Capricorn one. Right, That's
what I think. I mean. I

512
00:38:43.440 --> 00:38:45.679
Outland's great, and we can talk
about that in a minute. But yeah,

513
00:38:45.679 --> 00:38:46.679
I think Capricorn one's really would put
him on the map. As this

514
00:38:46.719 --> 00:38:51.320
guy can make a good, good
sci fi movie, Okay, well before

515
00:38:51.360 --> 00:38:54.159
he makes Well after he makes a
good sci fi movie, and before he

516
00:38:54.199 --> 00:38:59.679
makes Outland, which is another good
sci fi movie. Nineteen seventy nine,

517
00:39:00.239 --> 00:39:06.039
he does a World War two love
story with Harrison Ford and Leslie and Down

518
00:39:06.320 --> 00:39:10.079
and Christopher Plumber talking about Hanover Street. I'm gonna tell you right now,

519
00:39:10.559 --> 00:39:17.000
I've never seen it, and I'm
excited to watch it because I know Scott

520
00:39:17.000 --> 00:39:21.920
and Dave are gonna be talking about
this one this Friday on a film at

521
00:39:21.960 --> 00:39:25.000
forty five. It's it's basically it's
Peter Heims Week if you haven't picked up

522
00:39:25.000 --> 00:39:28.800
on that. But I've never seen
that. Have you guys seen like,

523
00:39:28.920 --> 00:39:30.519
don't know, you know, no
spoilers, But have you guys seen Hannover

524
00:39:30.519 --> 00:39:36.599
Street. Yes, my best friend
in high school was in love with Harrison

525
00:39:36.639 --> 00:39:43.280
Ford and so we watched every every
everything he ever did, and so I

526
00:39:43.320 --> 00:39:45.719
have at least seen this once worth
a watch. I watched that one when

527
00:39:45.760 --> 00:39:47.920
I was younger. I don't I
don't really remember much about it though,

528
00:39:49.039 --> 00:39:52.440
Yeah I remember. I mean it's
Harrison Ford. Though as a World War

529
00:39:52.480 --> 00:39:55.039
two pilot, we should I don't
know. I feel like I should have

530
00:39:55.079 --> 00:39:58.679
seen it already, and you guys
have seen it. I feel like you

531
00:39:58.719 --> 00:40:01.199
guys should remember it more so now
now I've got mixed emotions, but I'm

532
00:40:01.239 --> 00:40:04.920
looking forward to watching this one.
It's gonna be good. Andrew tell us

533
00:40:04.920 --> 00:40:10.039
about Outland. Outland is fantastic.
It's Sean Connery in his like prime Sean

534
00:40:10.079 --> 00:40:15.800
Connery days where he was just macho
to the nth degree. It's it's this,

535
00:40:16.079 --> 00:40:22.639
it's essentially high noon in space,
and so it's fantastic. I mean,

536
00:40:22.199 --> 00:40:25.719
it's definitely got a little bit of
that like late seventies early eighties cheesy

537
00:40:25.760 --> 00:40:30.320
sci fi vibe that creeps into almost
all of them. But it's so much

538
00:40:30.320 --> 00:40:34.480
fun it doesn't matter. I really
Outland he's like he's like a marshall,

539
00:40:34.920 --> 00:40:37.440
like you know, like in then, like one of the moons on Jupiter,

540
00:40:37.760 --> 00:40:39.800
Moons of Jupiter, something like that. He's a marshal on like a

541
00:40:39.800 --> 00:40:44.079
penal colony. I need to rewatch
because it's been a lot of time since

542
00:40:44.079 --> 00:40:45.519
I've seen it. Amber. Are
you a fan of this one? Yes,

543
00:40:45.639 --> 00:40:49.480
very much so. Cone. There's
a lot of these I need to

544
00:40:49.519 --> 00:40:53.519
watch again, like one. I
haven't seen that probably since nineteen seventy seven.

545
00:40:54.280 --> 00:40:58.079
Connore. I was just thinking,
I've got it. I've got to

546
00:40:58.079 --> 00:41:00.840
rewatch Outland. It's been years and
I'm I'm itching to now. Yeah,

547
00:41:00.920 --> 00:41:05.639
Connery with a beard in a shotgun, you cannot go wrong with that in

548
00:41:05.719 --> 00:41:12.559
space. I've never seen this one, but it's next to uh no,

549
00:41:12.559 --> 00:41:15.760
no, I'm not talking about Outline. Oh I've seen that. Yeah,

550
00:41:15.760 --> 00:41:19.639
I've seen it, and it is
good, but uh, his next one.

551
00:41:20.039 --> 00:41:24.280
In nineteen eighty three, right after
I finished watching A Busting, I

552
00:41:24.599 --> 00:41:28.599
got to see this movie. Have
you guys seen the Star Chamber? Yeah,

553
00:41:28.639 --> 00:41:30.000
that's what I was talking about.
It is Oh you're talking about Okay,

554
00:41:30.239 --> 00:41:32.960
you were, you were, you
were setting me up for starting I've

555
00:41:34.000 --> 00:41:37.599
never seen it. Bro Oh my
gosh, listen, Andrew, have you

556
00:41:37.639 --> 00:41:38.800
seen this? Have you ever heard
of this one? Let's listen to this.

557
00:41:39.000 --> 00:41:40.960
Listen. I've heard the name.
I don't know anything about it.

558
00:41:42.280 --> 00:41:46.280
Okay, we're talking about Michael Douglas
and Hal Holbrook. So listen to this

559
00:41:46.360 --> 00:41:53.679
synopsis. Man frustrated with a legal
system gone haywire. A secret society of

560
00:41:53.880 --> 00:42:01.559
judges hires hitman to snuff out criminals
who escape courtroom justice, but one young

561
00:42:01.679 --> 00:42:07.599
judge questions the ethics of their vigilanti
system. Friends of the show James D.

562
00:42:07.719 --> 00:42:13.599
Graves and James Buckley, who are
in the This This World. I

563
00:42:13.800 --> 00:42:15.199
wonder, I wonder which which kind
of judges they are. I wonder if

564
00:42:15.199 --> 00:42:20.440
they're the ones questioning, or you
know, they're part of the secret society.

565
00:42:20.599 --> 00:42:23.280
You know, James and James,
you gotta you gotta let me know

566
00:42:23.320 --> 00:42:29.840
because this movie just looks too good. It is spectacular. Kind of like,

567
00:42:29.960 --> 00:42:30.840
listen, I haven't seen it,
but I'm kind of, you know,

568
00:42:31.679 --> 00:42:35.960
getting like Court of Owls vibes here, Andrew, like from Batman.

569
00:42:36.239 --> 00:42:39.519
I was kind of picturing like a
daredevil, daredevil punisher thing like you know,

570
00:42:39.559 --> 00:42:42.880
when do you take the law into
your own hands? And you know,

571
00:42:42.920 --> 00:42:45.199
when is that right? That kind
of thing? Andrew, You and

572
00:42:45.199 --> 00:42:50.599
I have discussed that many times and
we yeah, again the answer is is

573
00:42:50.679 --> 00:42:52.800
yes, it's right. Yes,
No, The answer is yes, it's

574
00:42:52.840 --> 00:42:55.480
right, and yes, it's it's
always right to to take the longder your

575
00:42:55.480 --> 00:43:00.599
own hands, you know, to
punish evil. It's I'll ever back down

576
00:43:00.639 --> 00:43:04.960
for that. That's why I carry
caps shield and and I carry you know,

577
00:43:05.000 --> 00:43:12.360
the Punisher's arsenal. We've been talking
about twenty ten, which which came

578
00:43:12.360 --> 00:43:16.719
out celebrating his fortieth anniversary, which
which is amazing, but uh, another

579
00:43:16.760 --> 00:43:22.079
movie we have covered. Uh,
people wondering like if we've if we talked

580
00:43:22.079 --> 00:43:24.639
about Peter Hines before we actually did. We covered one of his films on

581
00:43:24.639 --> 00:43:29.519
our limited series nineteen eighty six.
He was the one that did Running Scared

582
00:43:30.199 --> 00:43:34.639
Billy Crystal Gregory Hines. The more
the more I talked to Scott Hoffman,

583
00:43:35.960 --> 00:43:37.800
the more I the more I found
myself loving this film. I don't know,

584
00:43:38.039 --> 00:43:42.119
am I right? Ambers, Yeah, it's a hecking delight. It's

585
00:43:42.119 --> 00:43:45.519
such a departure from other stuff too. Yeah, and so unexpected, Like

586
00:43:45.800 --> 00:43:51.599
Billy Crystal and Gregory Hines are not
who you cast this movie. No,

587
00:43:51.840 --> 00:43:54.840
but they're great, Yeah they are, they are. What did you guys

588
00:43:54.840 --> 00:43:59.239
think of the presidio? He's uh, he's he's teaming up with Sean Connery

589
00:43:59.239 --> 00:44:05.159
again nineteen eighty eight. Love say, I've actually never seen it. You've

590
00:44:05.159 --> 00:44:10.719
never seen it, Andrew, It's
one you're gonna like. Mark Harmon is

591
00:44:10.760 --> 00:44:15.559
a police detective who he's uh,
he's working on. It's like a murder

592
00:44:15.599 --> 00:44:21.000
case. He's trying to figure out
something, but his former commanding officer,

593
00:44:21.039 --> 00:44:24.800
who is Sean Connery, is like
kind of involved. And also he just

594
00:44:24.840 --> 00:44:30.440
happens to be dating Sean Connery's daughter, so it gets a little Ryan.

595
00:44:31.159 --> 00:44:35.480
Yeah, that's I was trying to
think who it was. Yeah, this

596
00:44:35.599 --> 00:44:39.400
is this is this is peak eighty
late eadies, Meg Ryan, you know,

597
00:44:40.360 --> 00:44:44.239
I mean late eighties is peak Mark
Harmon and peak Sean Connery too.

598
00:44:44.280 --> 00:44:47.079
It's that's just a movie. Yeah, this is yeah late eighties Mark Harmon,

599
00:44:49.119 --> 00:44:51.639
Yeah, Mark, late late eighties. That's Mark Harmon. He's he's

600
00:44:51.679 --> 00:44:58.199
like people sexiest man Alive or whatever. Yeah, So here's where things start

601
00:44:58.199 --> 00:45:01.760
to go a little little sideways.
I think, Uh, nineteen ninety two

602
00:45:01.800 --> 00:45:07.280
he does uh, he does that
that weird movie Stay Tuned. It's like

603
00:45:07.320 --> 00:45:12.519
a comedy with with John Ritter.
I know you guys seen it because it

604
00:45:12.519 --> 00:45:17.039
was on showtime like six times a
Day TV or something. Yeah, they're

605
00:45:17.079 --> 00:45:25.280
like him, uh, John rind
And and Mindy from Working Mindy, Pam,

606
00:45:25.519 --> 00:45:30.440
thank you, Pam Dauber. They're
like, I guess you could say

607
00:45:30.480 --> 00:45:34.000
they're they're they're like bad They're not
bad parents, but they're just their absent

608
00:45:34.039 --> 00:45:37.320
parents, I think. And then
uh, if I remember, right,

609
00:45:37.519 --> 00:45:42.000
uh, Jeffrey Jones, uh,
principal Ed Rooney from Ferris Bpeeler's Day Off,

610
00:45:42.000 --> 00:45:46.679
who you know was canceled for all
the right reasons. Uh, he's

611
00:45:46.880 --> 00:45:50.559
I can't remember if he's like the
devil or like a demon, but he's

612
00:45:50.559 --> 00:45:52.920
like kind of controlling them, and
they're like they have to like move through

613
00:45:53.039 --> 00:45:57.840
weird TV shows. It's almost like
it's almost like a weird al type of

614
00:45:57.840 --> 00:46:01.320
situation. But I watched that all
the time as a kid, and I

615
00:46:01.360 --> 00:46:06.199
absolutely loved it. I feel like, based on my childhood memories, there's

616
00:46:06.199 --> 00:46:08.840
no way it holds up at all. But at the time I was very

617
00:46:08.840 --> 00:46:15.119
into it. I was yeah,
eight, yeah for the under ten crowd.

618
00:46:15.159 --> 00:46:19.199
I think it's a blast, but
probably not going to hold up by

619
00:46:19.239 --> 00:46:22.679
today's standards. But I'll tell you
what does hold up by today's standards.

620
00:46:23.159 --> 00:46:30.119
In nineteen ninety four, he starts
his working relationship with Jean Claude Van Dam.

621
00:46:30.559 --> 00:46:37.960
He does a movie called Time Cop, which is arguably the second best

622
00:46:37.159 --> 00:46:43.519
genre Claude Vandam movie of all time. I would agree because my brothers made

623
00:46:43.559 --> 00:46:50.519
me watch starting with Blood Sport,
every pos, martial arts, like whatever

624
00:46:50.920 --> 00:46:52.559
was we were watching it, and
this was the one that, like,

625
00:46:52.599 --> 00:46:57.599
I actually liked. Yeah, Time
Cop is awesome. But Andrew, to

626
00:46:57.599 --> 00:47:02.559
answer your question, when we're talking
about what is the best Jean claud and

627
00:47:02.800 --> 00:47:07.239
film, it's gotta be Blood Sport. No, no, oh, we

628
00:47:07.320 --> 00:47:09.760
all know we're it's all about It's
all about going and getting in the kumute.

629
00:47:10.280 --> 00:47:16.360
Are you kidding? A true story. Come on, it is is

630
00:47:16.360 --> 00:47:20.519
a is an awful liar. That
is not a true story. Wait,

631
00:47:20.559 --> 00:47:25.199
it is a let's be fair.
And yeah, let's be fair. It's

632
00:47:25.239 --> 00:47:32.400
a quote unquote true story. It
could one guy's true lies true. It

633
00:47:32.440 --> 00:47:37.519
could, it could have happened.
We don't know on Earth and involved.

634
00:47:38.760 --> 00:47:45.639
It's about as realistic as Time Cup. I'll tell you what's realistic. Uh.

635
00:47:45.800 --> 00:47:51.519
Donald Gibb who plays Jackson. I
got a chance to meet him last

636
00:47:51.599 --> 00:47:54.119
year. Actually he was on one
of our episodes. He's one on one

637
00:47:54.159 --> 00:47:58.159
of our common episodes because I asked
him some questions and he was like,

638
00:47:58.239 --> 00:48:00.159
yeah, you know, let me
let me know what the questions are.

639
00:48:00.360 --> 00:48:05.840
That dude has a has a grip
like it's like a like a grizzly bear.

640
00:48:06.440 --> 00:48:07.239
Because when I was like, hey, can I ask you some questions

641
00:48:07.239 --> 00:48:09.719
for the show, he pulled me
down and I was like, he could

642
00:48:09.760 --> 00:48:14.840
snap my neck right now. He's
yeah, still got it, he still

643
00:48:14.840 --> 00:48:17.880
got it? Yeah, yeah,
he he should have been the Kumuite champion

644
00:48:17.920 --> 00:48:23.480
as far as I'm I'm concerned,
but absolutely yeah. But time Cop,

645
00:48:25.360 --> 00:48:30.119
I don't know this, Andrew,
well Amber, both of you, because

646
00:48:30.119 --> 00:48:34.679
I know we all love time travel
sci fi time travel movies. Oh okay,

647
00:48:34.679 --> 00:48:37.039
hold on, well, let's let's
put a pin. Let's put a

648
00:48:37.039 --> 00:48:38.840
pin in that Amber Andrew. I
know we like this. I know we

649
00:48:38.920 --> 00:48:44.599
like time travel sci fi movies.
I would put this one. I put

650
00:48:44.639 --> 00:48:51.280
Time cop in like my top five
easily. I don't know. That's that's

651
00:48:51.320 --> 00:48:52.519
a stacked list. I don't know
if I could put in top five,

652
00:48:52.559 --> 00:48:57.000
top ten, I'll give it easy, top five, is it okay?

653
00:48:57.280 --> 00:49:01.800
Ron Silver playing Cinema Combe and know
he is. This is Ron Silver at

654
00:49:01.800 --> 00:49:06.800
his best because he he I don't
think anyone plays a villain as as good

655
00:49:06.840 --> 00:49:12.079
as Ron Silver enjoying himself as a
villain. You know, he is clearly

656
00:49:12.119 --> 00:49:15.320
having a great time. Oh he
is. Uh you know you got you

657
00:49:15.360 --> 00:49:19.599
got one of our one of the
eighties crushes, the all time eighties crushes

658
00:49:19.599 --> 00:49:23.119
me a Sarah playing playing uh Van
Dam's wife. I don't know. I

659
00:49:23.159 --> 00:49:25.840
just I love the fact that people
are going back in time for profit.

660
00:49:25.920 --> 00:49:32.880
And then you know the senators trying
to you know, do his evil machinations.

661
00:49:34.000 --> 00:49:36.679
I don't know. I think,
yeah, we're gonna get the splits

662
00:49:36.719 --> 00:49:39.760
and we're gonna see Vandam's butt.
And that's what you want in a Van

663
00:49:39.800 --> 00:49:42.559
Dam movie. You want to you
want to seem to do the splits,

664
00:49:42.559 --> 00:49:45.239
you want to see his button,
you want to seem speak poorly and beat

665
00:49:45.239 --> 00:49:49.719
people up. But I I like
I like this movie. I like the

666
00:49:49.719 --> 00:49:52.599
time travel aesthetic. How we have
like time cops like that that patrol it

667
00:49:54.639 --> 00:49:58.719
amber. Is this a separate conversation
we have to have that you don't like

668
00:49:58.760 --> 00:50:01.840
time travel films. I mean,
I mean it's pretty I have pretty lengthy

669
00:50:01.840 --> 00:50:07.119
opinions about it, but I can
keep it sure. I just think time

670
00:50:07.159 --> 00:50:12.840
travel in general is bullshit. And
any movie that involves time travel that you

671
00:50:13.039 --> 00:50:21.440
like, you have to just be
willing to accept absolute absurdity and check your

672
00:50:21.440 --> 00:50:24.559
sanity at the door. So I'm
willing to say that I love the movie

673
00:50:24.599 --> 00:50:29.719
Somewhere in Time. That movie is
ridiculous. I love it. I'll watch

674
00:50:29.760 --> 00:50:32.360
it and cry all the time.
But yeah, but let's get real.

675
00:50:32.960 --> 00:50:38.039
Yeah, well, let's get real
ridiculous. Let's get real the time.

676
00:50:38.119 --> 00:50:45.599
Let's let's talk time travel. If
you're gonna believe time travel and you're in

677
00:50:45.679 --> 00:50:46.800
you're a fan of Somewhere in Time, you're telling me that you can't.

678
00:50:46.920 --> 00:50:52.119
You're not readily accepting that a little
bit of plutonium and a DeLorean get us

679
00:50:52.119 --> 00:50:57.559
back where we want to go?
No, No, what about a phone

680
00:50:57.559 --> 00:51:02.159
booth? No? Okay, so
I gotta ask. Though. We spent

681
00:51:02.239 --> 00:51:06.400
a while talking about how great two
thousand and one and twenty ten are.

682
00:51:06.199 --> 00:51:09.679
You have probably time travel, but
Frank Bowman just becoming the star child and

683
00:51:09.840 --> 00:51:15.519
living outside. He went through the
stargate and one with the alien. Like

684
00:51:15.719 --> 00:51:20.239
my dad explained all that science to
me, that's aliens. It's a whole

685
00:51:20.320 --> 00:51:25.199
different thing. I can justify in
Interstellar too, because it's all gravity and

686
00:51:25.239 --> 00:51:30.039
it's a thing. Yeah, okay, sure, okay, we're gonna have

687
00:51:30.079 --> 00:51:35.000
the I love Christopher Nolan. I
love the movie Tenant, Like, what

688
00:51:35.239 --> 00:51:40.880
an absolute fun couple of hours is
that movie? But come on, magically

689
00:51:42.760 --> 00:51:49.480
favorite Nolan radiation. You can go
back in time. All right, We're

690
00:51:49.800 --> 00:51:52.360
we're we're off the rails here with
I told you, yeah, we're gonna

691
00:51:52.360 --> 00:51:55.639
go to a huge chance. Let's
go back. Let's let's go back to

692
00:51:55.679 --> 00:52:00.679
something a little more realistic. Nineteen
ninety five, he's second time. He's

693
00:52:00.719 --> 00:52:05.360
working with Van Dam. H.
Van Dam's a like a security guard or

694
00:52:05.360 --> 00:52:07.400
a cop. He's got to stop
a bomb from going off during a hockey

695
00:52:07.480 --> 00:52:15.400
game. Sudden death. Oh yeah, that's not the death. It's not

696
00:52:15.480 --> 00:52:23.440
what what that's not the title?
That is the title sudden death are Come

697
00:52:23.480 --> 00:52:25.840
on, are you? Are you
not a hockey fan? Like, yeah,

698
00:52:25.840 --> 00:52:30.880
well you got sometimes when you gotta
go to a sudden death he listen,

699
00:52:30.920 --> 00:52:35.039
he's he takes on a group of
terrorists. Hold it, you know

700
00:52:35.239 --> 00:52:38.480
the vice president is at this hockey
game. No, this is an episode

701
00:52:38.519 --> 00:52:49.440
of the Office. Yes, Midnight
Level Midnight is absolutely referencing movie like it's

702
00:52:49.679 --> 00:52:53.280
it is. Every new piece of
information you learn about sudden death is better

703
00:52:53.360 --> 00:52:58.000
than the thing before it. It's
it's so over the top, it's perfect.

704
00:52:58.000 --> 00:53:00.239
It's peak Van Dam. If you're
like I want to watch it,

705
00:53:00.639 --> 00:53:06.000
just turn your brain off and yeah
it's yeah, it's like the Yeah,

706
00:53:06.079 --> 00:53:08.079
it's the Stanley Cup finals or it's
maybe the Stanley Cup championship game. I

707
00:53:08.079 --> 00:53:13.039
can't remember which. But the Vice
president's there and Van Dam is like a

708
00:53:14.199 --> 00:53:17.800
Andrew is he like a disgraced firefighter
or disgrace cop, Like he's you know,

709
00:53:19.079 --> 00:53:21.719
kind of falling a fallen hero.
But then he's a he's gonna redeve

710
00:53:21.760 --> 00:53:24.199
himself because he's a take off these
terrorists at the hockey game. Yeah,

711
00:53:24.239 --> 00:53:30.719
I honestly don't remember. It's so
generic. Just yeah, I love this

712
00:53:30.800 --> 00:53:34.480
movie. It is mind boggling to
me that the same guy made this that

713
00:53:34.599 --> 00:53:38.920
made like twenty ten and Capricorn,
and then he goes on to keep doing

714
00:53:39.039 --> 00:53:42.400
Van Dam stuff. I feel like
he was phoning it in or he was

715
00:53:42.400 --> 00:53:47.679
on coke or something. This is
the Michael Caine quote where he says,

716
00:53:47.840 --> 00:53:51.800
yeah, I've seen just three and
I've seen the house that it bought two.

717
00:53:52.000 --> 00:53:54.199
Yeah, fair, fair enough,
all right? Moving moving on from

718
00:53:54.239 --> 00:54:00.760
threat level Midnight nineteen ninety seven,
he he takes Atturney does a horror film.

719
00:54:00.880 --> 00:54:04.960
Did you guys see The Relic?
I feel like maybe I did.

720
00:54:06.119 --> 00:54:07.920
I don't think so. I know
it's I've ever seen it. It's not

721
00:54:08.079 --> 00:54:13.000
bad, but it's not great.
Yeah. Tom Sizemore's in it. It's

722
00:54:13.039 --> 00:54:17.480
a you can find it on Pluto, I think right now, I don't

723
00:54:17.519 --> 00:54:24.079
know. It deals with like archaeology
and there's like a possessed thing. I'm

724
00:54:25.000 --> 00:54:28.239
I need, I need to watch
a game. Yeah I haven't seen.

725
00:54:28.320 --> 00:54:30.280
Yeah, this isn't the one.
I was thinking, I thought this was

726
00:54:30.320 --> 00:54:32.360
a one with like the bugs in
the subway, But that was mimic.

727
00:54:32.840 --> 00:54:38.280
That's mimic. That is good.
That is good, I'll tell you.

728
00:54:38.639 --> 00:54:43.280
I feel like. So we get
to nineteen ninety nine. Yeah, and

729
00:54:43.320 --> 00:54:47.239
this is maybe where he does his
last good film, talking about in the

730
00:54:47.320 --> 00:54:52.800
Days with Arnold Schwarzenegger and Gabriel Byrne. This is peak nineties for me.

731
00:54:52.960 --> 00:54:59.840
This is like the the ultimate nineties
action movie genre. Like, I love

732
00:54:59.840 --> 00:55:04.079
it. It's not good. I
would never make a case that like,

733
00:55:04.159 --> 00:55:07.199
this is a great movie, but
I it's the kind of movies that I

734
00:55:07.239 --> 00:55:13.280
loved as a kid. Where do
you, okay, make a little bit

735
00:55:13.320 --> 00:55:16.840
of a case, where do you
put this in Schwarzenegger's lineup? Is this?

736
00:55:16.960 --> 00:55:22.679
Like is this top ten? No? Not even it's really it's not

737
00:55:22.760 --> 00:55:25.440
a I can't really make a case
that it's a good movie. The premise

738
00:55:25.679 --> 00:55:30.519
just is silly, the idea that
his big muscles are gonna stop basically the

739
00:55:30.559 --> 00:55:34.639
devil like it's it's a very just
ludicrous concept from the get go. But

740
00:55:35.159 --> 00:55:37.880
it's Schwartzenegger when he really like knew
what his his thing was and leaned into

741
00:55:37.920 --> 00:55:42.360
it. And so I do like
it. Yeah, but I like it

742
00:55:42.400 --> 00:55:45.360
because this is Schwartzenegger. You talking
about his muscles. The muscles aren't gonna

743
00:55:45.360 --> 00:55:49.639
help him. But he's also he's
a really failed character, like he's like

744
00:55:49.679 --> 00:55:52.920
an alcoholic and he's lost his family
and amber. You've seen this one,

745
00:55:54.039 --> 00:55:59.280
I mean, like when it came
out, Yeah, this is I was

746
00:55:59.480 --> 00:56:06.000
hostage to two brothers a lot.
And so I've seen every ban damn every

747
00:56:06.039 --> 00:56:13.840
Schwartzenegger. I've seen them all.
It's hard to remember. Gabriel Byrne is

748
00:56:13.840 --> 00:56:17.239
playing the devil. That's why I
remember it. Yeah, he's awesome.

749
00:56:19.079 --> 00:56:21.599
Yeah he can it's the It's it's
the end of the century. He comes

750
00:56:21.599 --> 00:56:23.360
to New York because he has to. I think he has to get a

751
00:56:23.360 --> 00:56:30.480
bride to create the the Antichrist,
and only Arnold Schartzinger can stop him.

752
00:56:30.360 --> 00:56:37.519
Obviously, obviously, yes, are
you gonna ask you're you would think you

753
00:56:37.519 --> 00:56:39.239
would ask John claw van Dan because
he's working with him all the time,

754
00:56:39.239 --> 00:56:44.400
But no, it was it was
Arnold's movie after this, you know,

755
00:56:44.920 --> 00:56:49.360
early two thousands, he does he
does the Musketeer, which wasn't good.

756
00:56:49.440 --> 00:56:52.920
He does the Sound of Thunder,
which should have been good. Uh,

757
00:56:52.960 --> 00:56:55.199
it's a time travel movie, so
we will just skip right past it before

758
00:56:55.199 --> 00:57:00.280
Amber gets worked up. Uh.
And then his last film, twenty thirteen,

759
00:57:00.320 --> 00:57:06.000
he does like a like director red
box type of thing. Enemy's Closer

760
00:57:06.679 --> 00:57:14.039
with Jean Claud Van Dam. So
yeah, he definitely. I feel like,

761
00:57:14.039 --> 00:57:16.199
like, you know, he probably
peaked early, you know, late

762
00:57:16.199 --> 00:57:19.639
eighties, early nineties, and then
just kind of kind of fizzle, which

763
00:57:19.679 --> 00:57:23.719
is sad because he's he's got such
an amazing filmography. As far as I'm

764
00:57:23.920 --> 00:57:29.400
I'm concerned. Yeah, it's weird
to see somebody, you know, you

765
00:57:29.440 --> 00:57:31.519
think a director has kind of strut
to develop and hone their craft over time.

766
00:57:31.519 --> 00:57:35.760
And I feel like he made a
lot of really good stuff for frontloaded

767
00:57:35.880 --> 00:57:38.480
his career and then just kind of
had some fun with it in the nineties

768
00:57:38.480 --> 00:57:42.800
and then dropped off, And I
don't know what happened. I'd be curious.

769
00:57:43.039 --> 00:57:46.559
Now, Well, let's talk about
what's next for this guy. Nothing,

770
00:57:46.599 --> 00:57:51.199
He has nothing, and he's not
working on anything. And you know,

771
00:57:51.239 --> 00:57:52.239
to be fair, I think he's
eighty three now, so maybe he's

772
00:57:52.440 --> 00:57:57.039
you know, he's retired, he's
moved on. Maybe he's he said all

773
00:57:57.039 --> 00:58:01.679
he wants to say but let's talk
about if we could have had him do

774
00:58:01.840 --> 00:58:07.559
anything else. My vote, I
say give us the next two chapters twenty

775
00:58:07.639 --> 00:58:10.800
sixty one, Odyssey three and three
thousand and one, the final lot of

776
00:58:10.840 --> 00:58:16.199
Sea Andrew. I'm sure you know
this. At one point Tom Hanks was

777
00:58:16.239 --> 00:58:22.159
interested in both these projects, Like
that would have been great, right,

778
00:58:22.960 --> 00:58:25.440
Well, I I having not read
the books, you know, I have

779
00:58:25.480 --> 00:58:29.960
no idea where this story can go. I think much like at the end

780
00:58:29.960 --> 00:58:36.119
of two thousand, they colonize the
moons around Jupiter, they go back to

781
00:58:36.199 --> 00:58:39.119
Jupiter. I thought they were really
fascinated with that. Well, that didn't

782
00:58:39.159 --> 00:58:43.920
last very long because they were only
told to stay away from Europa, though

783
00:58:43.920 --> 00:58:46.280
they were allowed to. They colonize
Europa too. Oh and the books,

784
00:58:46.320 --> 00:58:52.440
that makes sense, Yeah, I
like I have turns into like a horrifically

785
00:58:52.679 --> 00:59:00.880
volcanic place you can't go it is
right now, it sounds like it just

786
00:59:00.920 --> 00:59:07.639
gets like more violent, just like
constantly erupting. And so they build a

787
00:59:07.679 --> 00:59:14.360
station on Ganymede, and they build
a station on Europa and then like spoilers,

788
00:59:14.400 --> 00:59:19.880
Frank Borman gets reanimated and comes back
to life, and what goes back

789
00:59:19.920 --> 00:59:24.280
to Earth and you mean David Bowman. Frank Borman was an actual astronaut.

790
00:59:27.119 --> 00:59:30.679
Then Frank Borman in two thousand and
one, Frank Pool Frank Pool Sorry,

791
00:59:30.719 --> 00:59:35.159
yeah, yeah, Frank Borman was
an actual Apollo astronaum. Yeah sorry,

792
00:59:35.480 --> 00:59:37.559
that was thirteen. Well you did, Hey, you didn't read the books,

793
00:59:37.559 --> 00:59:45.599
so maybe Frank Borman is in right, maybe that's reanimated. Okay,

794
00:59:45.679 --> 00:59:49.199
So yeah, I read the books
when I had my dad there to hold

795
00:59:49.199 --> 00:59:53.559
my hand, and like every ten
pages, like what is this? You

796
00:59:53.599 --> 00:59:57.840
know. One of the things I
want to give the books credit for all

797
00:59:57.840 --> 01:00:00.840
on the subject real quick, is
like how well it some of the stuff

798
01:00:00.880 --> 01:00:06.880
going on in these moons like Io. You know, they show Discovery covered

799
01:00:06.880 --> 01:00:10.679
in that dust that sulfur from Io, and they talk about Europa being the

800
01:00:10.719 --> 01:00:14.760
place for life and that is our
best bet for finding life in the Solar

801
01:00:14.760 --> 01:00:15.960
System. But we didn't know that
at the time these books were written.

802
01:00:16.599 --> 01:00:20.440
I mean, Pioneer didn't get there
until much later, and that was before

803
01:00:20.519 --> 01:00:22.079
Voyager, before you know, all
the space graphic sent out there. Now

804
01:00:22.079 --> 01:00:24.840
we know all these things and it's
like, wow, they called it man,

805
01:00:24.840 --> 01:00:30.800
Europa's where it's at. Amber.
Your recommendation on the Arthur C.

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Clark Honesty Books Worth the read.
Oh yeah, yeah, for sure.

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I like it can get a little
science y, but you just hang in

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there. You know I'm gonna check
them out. You can check this movie

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out. It's streaming twenty ten is
streaming on Netflix and the Roku channel.

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Andrew, am I right in assuming
that you probably own this one. I

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don't. I think my mom does
so like growing up, I watched it

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on DVD a lot, but that
one stayed stayed back at her place.

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So I was very very pleased to
find it on Netflix. I actually watched

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it before you even asked us to
do this episode. I had watched it

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the second I saw it on there. Amber you said we need to uh

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to check out the Odyssey books.
I'm assuming you're you're gonna give this one

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a thumbs up. You're gonna recommend
this one for everyone? Oh heck yeah.

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I love future science like this.
I can appreciate movies like Blade Runner,

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but it gets really depressing having it
just people in the rain and drugs

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and misery, And like, I
like the inspiration of a nice, bright,

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shiny future, you know, where
we explore and we go after things

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and you know, so this is
right up my street. All right,

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Andrew, obviously you're you're telling people
check it out one hundred percent. I

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just like I've had this conversation before. I just say this movie. The

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worst thing this movie did was be
a sequel to two thousand and one.

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It's a great movie, but it
just it feels so imbalanced with one of

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the greatest directors at doing one of
his greatest movies and then this one comes

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out. It just feels very off. But if you watch it as it's

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own thing, absolutely I recommend it. All right, listeners, what do

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you think of twenty ten? You
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01:02:51.360 --> 01:02:55.320
to Stun. Wayne, David and
Scott are continuing their recap of the final

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01:02:55.320 --> 01:03:02.159
season of Discovery and on Friday more, Peter Hims our limited series of Film

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01:03:02.159 --> 01:03:09.159
at forty five will look at his
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you, James Buckley, are you
all ready for another John wu episode because

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01:03:27.440 --> 01:03:34.840
it's happening. Yeah, Andrew Amber, always a blast having a conversation with

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you. I know we got a
little off the rails this one. We

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01:03:37.320 --> 01:03:43.719
went a little long, but I'm
we're good for it. I love that

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01:03:43.719 --> 01:03:47.280
you guys are here more, way, more often, and I know our

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listeners are love it too, So
thank you both for being here, Thanks

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for having us. I love it, Yes, thank you so much.

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