July 29, 2025

Phasers Set To Stun: Strange New Worlds S3.E3 Shuttle to Kenfori

Phasers Set To Stun: Strange New Worlds S3.E3 Shuttle to Kenfori
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Season 6 Phasers Set To Stun

On "Phasers Set To Stun," we recognize the popularity of all things Star Trek, with a look at the television shows, animation, movies, and much more. On this week's episode, our crew continues their conversation about the third season of Star Trek: Strange New Worlds. Join us for a recap of episode 3, Shuttle to Kenfori.

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Space the Final Frontier. Join us for a bold conversation

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our prime directive to recap our favorite Star Trek shows,

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both new and old, to engage in debate about all

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things Trek. Prepare to energize with Phasers Set to Stunt.

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Hello everyone, and welcome back to Phasers Set to Stunt.

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In this ongoing series from a film by podcast, we

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continue to show our love for every quadrant of the

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expanding Star Trek universe by covering television, animation, movies, directors, merchandise.

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And much more.

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Plotting the course as always is your Core Trek crew.

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I'm Scott Hoffmann.

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I'm David Byrne, and I'm Wayne Whited.

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And in this episode, we're continuing our coverage of the

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freshest Trek available with Strange New Worlds Season three. Specifically,

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we're going to be covering episode three, Shuttle to Ken forty.

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Since it's so new, we're calling for a rent alert

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on spoilers, So if you haven't seen this episode, please

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go watch and come back to join us when you're

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all wrapped up. I just want to take a moment

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to thank both of you, Dave and Wayne for covering

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for me while I was on those away missions. There's

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lenky away missions looking for weird plans on other planets

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made it so yeah, yeah.

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I know eventually eventually.

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I'm also excited to just get back into strange new

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worlds after that long two year hiatus between seasons. I

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cannot believe it's been that long. We have covered so

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much in the meantime, like we didn't drawn into lower

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decks after the last.

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Season seasons of it.

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But I think it's safe to say it's what well

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worth the wait.

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Both agree, Yep, All right, well let's get right into

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it and break it down. Dave, why don't you give

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us a summary of what this episode is all about.

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In searching for a cure for Bateel, Pike learns that

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a plant known as the Camera Blossom can help, but

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a decision must be made that will send them to Confori,

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a planet in the Restricted Zone that was greed upon

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by the Klingons and the Federation after the war between

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them ended. Pike puts together a small aweight team with

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just himself and doctor Menbinga. They take a shuttle into

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the Restricted Zone and onto Confori, where they quickly become

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trapped by Klingons and what can only be described as zombies.

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Pike and Membinga will fight to survive, and a truth

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will finally reveal itself while the crew on the Enterprise

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does whatever it can.

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To save the two crew members.

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This episode begins to unravel some friendships and shake the

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crew to its very core that will change them, possibly forever.

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That hits the nail on the head.

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This is definitely I don't know they've used the Z

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word very much in Stress non Star Trek, so wigh

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and all defer to you first reactions to the first

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time we have zombies and Star Trek.

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Well, I mean it's it's interesting, and I'm glad that

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they did something. So, you know, they've been trying a

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lot of new stuff and this is definitely new to

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Star Trek. You know, I think they did touch a

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little bit. There was an episode of Enterprise and I

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remember the name of it, but where they did something similar,

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but they never said the word zong. It never went

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as you know, full force as they did in this episode.

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I liked it. I really really liked the episode. I

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think you probably liked it more than I do, because

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you know how I am with horror films, you know,

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so that, you know. I love the episode. It's probably

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my my I don't want to say least favorite, but

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because I really liked the first two two. It was

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a good episode. It was a very good episode. I

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liked it because of Ben Benda and his storyline and

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his advance smith of that storyline, Dave, what about your

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first reactions?

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Yeah, so we talked about the recap that I was

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wondering how long was going to take them to get

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to clearing up be under the click of war episode,

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and here we are. I thought it was brilliant. I

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absolutely love this episode and it's my favorite one of

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the seasons so far. And my hat is off to

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the writers because I see what they did here. They

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matched train to Poisson with, which is a zombie movie,

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and it's a nod to Kinfy from Down to the Dead.

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Well done, writers, well done.

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I'm so glad you called back to that seventy eight

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Donna the Dead.

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I didn't get that connection until I was looking it

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up and I was like, oh my god, that's Peter

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from Donna the Dead, right, Yeah, that's an awesome Eastern

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perfect in the perfect Yeah, this episode does so many

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different things really really well. I feel like it keeps

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the show approachable because you've got this kind of cadence

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of the episodes where it goes from light to heavy, right,

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it doesn't take you on one track or the other

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too much. It still doesn't agree job to spreading the

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love around to different characters because we're not necessarily focusing

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on any one or the other more than kind of

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in an unbalanced way, and we've got so many characters

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to build on. They always kind of keep it fresh

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in that way. They're also just doing a great job

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of evolving species that we are being introduced to, but

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then ones that we thought we were pretty familiar with,

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like the Gordon. They're evolving this species in such an

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amazing way. I just can't believe they're able to do

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it this fast without a feeling rushed.

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Yeah, what amazes me is how they can continue to

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just give us more character development in each episode. You

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would think that that they would, you know, run dry

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with that, but it just they don't. I mean, we

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keep going and going going with these characters. There is

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so much to unpack in this episode. I mean, yeah,

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it's it's a pretty action packed film, you know, with

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Star Trek zombies for crying out loud. I literally jumped

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up when I saw that. I said, oh my god,

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we got zombies. But you know, we get Eric Ortegas,

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who's clearly going through something bad PTSD that's really starting

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to infect her job what she does on the Enterprise.

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You know, we've got Membinga and Pike relationship here, which

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pretty much seems to be okay by the end of

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this episode. But then you've got Spock, who I guess

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sees through the eyes of a Gorn, or a Gorn

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sees through Spock's eyes. That very is a little crazy

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in itself. And then of course Porp Battel is just man.

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He is just going through hell and back right now.

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Yeah, well, I mean it seems like she's going through

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physical and mental anguish from whatever has happened with this.

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I thought it was kind of interesting, like right before

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Spot goes into his Gordon vision and beats up a

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poor ensign, they have that kind of shared vision between

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them of a type of Gordon we haven't seen yet,

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and I have a feeling that might be where Patel's

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character is going.

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I think, so, yeah, I just I don't.

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Know, it'll be interesting to see that. I don't want

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it to happen. I don't want like Patel human Gordon hybrid,

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although I guess it starts to make sense when we're

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kind of getting to what we saw in the original

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series where it was this, you know, humanoid lizard person

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wearing like a Flintstone's costume or something.

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Hopefully weren't get.

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There, but anyway, very interesting, and I think to your point,

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we're seeing so much character development with hints of kind

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of getting into the effects of war on someone like PTSD,

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Like with Ortegas, You're absolutely right, she's got some lingering

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effects of what has happened to her just this season.

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But we're also seeing some great callbacks to earlier development,

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like when.

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We were in the I forget the name of the episode, but.

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The where Pike was seeing the alternate timeline where he

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was the captain when they first encountered the Romulans Yip Kirk.

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I think there's notes of that Ortegas that we're seeing here, right,

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and her history with the Kleon war and how that

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kind of affects her judgment and her decisions. Em Benga

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has an amazing, bark amazing development in this one, dealing

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with similar kind of things, but in a very different path.

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I think I feel like they just backed out.

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Of the park. I think we all going to agree

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on this one about Membinga really stole the show in

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this episode.

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Oh yeah.

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This episode shows how complex his character is, and he

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is written brilliantly every time he shows up. But this

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episode just made him shine. I mean, you could see

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the anger in him that he knows he's the assassin

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for crying out loud, and he's not hiding that fact anymore, but.

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He keeps it at bay. Obviously he's what he says.

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You know, he only comes out when it's needed, and

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he obviously didn't need it that day when he was

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fighting her, which is why he didn't kill her.

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But god, dang, is his character brilliant.

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Yeah, the way he's portrayed, the way he's written cover

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to cover, I mean, they're they're doing a great job

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of giving doctors such amazing roles in this franchise, let

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alone in this series, and I'm really glad to see it.

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I was also very impressed. There were a lot of

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times when it hit me how much we're getting feature

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length or feature how do I want to say it?

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Like movie quality, cinematic.

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Writing, cinematography, special effects score, all the way around. Like

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we're getting big I noticed kind of like broader, more

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sweeping shots of the bridge, and when they get into horror,

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they're not they're not playing it cheap. You can definitely

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see how much this has evolved from even just prior

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iterations of track. It's getting, it's making late. You know,

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Lightyar jumps ahead in quality.

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Well even even watching this episode, the sets are gorgeous.

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I mean, on on the planet CANFORI and the research

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station there, everything just looks beautiful.

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I mean, you're right.

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I mean you can tell they're spending the money on

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this show and they're not holding back. You're seeing it

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on screen every penny.

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Yeah, I mean this we talked about this last episode

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that you know, this is the result of us getting lower,

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lesser seasons, you know, ten ten episodes, is that we

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can get these incredible cinematic episodes that just like this one. Yeah.

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I love the idea that they're exploring different genres more

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than just the you know, the let's go to a planet.

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Oh there's an alien type that we usually saw with

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Star Trek, all these different you know here we got

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the whoror we have we have you know, comedy, we

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have side by It's it's it's incredible how the writers

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are bringing all these different styles to Star Trek. I

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think that's my favorite thing about this series.

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And it doesn't it certainly doesn't seem like I mean,

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the sets are so ornate and gorgeous. I can't imagine

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mothballing it after a year.

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Right like they've got.

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There's got to be future in Trek with the quality

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and the scale of sets that they have here. I know,

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we just saw just recently saw a trailer for Starfleet Academy.

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Yeah, and it looks like it's going in great directions.

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But you know, let's let's pay attention to the fact

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that we built this amazing Enterprise and maybe, you know,

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come back here as soon as we can exactly.

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I don't think they're going to be destroying this this

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these sets, especially the bridge. I think they're going to

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put this in stories because I don't think this is

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going to be the end of our adventures with the Enterprise.

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I have a feeling we're going to see some of

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our original crew members that take over this ship at

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the end of this series. As you know, I'm talking about.

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I think we're going to see those actors taking on

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those roles. Maybe not in seasons, but I think we're

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going to see some specials with them.

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I really do some streaming movies kind of like what

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they did with Section thirty one. I could see that happening.

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That would be amazing.

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I also wanted to just kind of touch on something

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you had talked about last time, but I just wanted

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to mention the opening for this series for this season

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because it's directly relevant to what we're seeing here with

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the Klingons. I thought it was very interesting to see

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is it a battlecruiser that kind of raises up in

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the opening sequence, but I saw so many notes or

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so many hints of lower decks in there. Not that

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the comedic nature of it and things like that, obviously,

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but the quality and the use of animation for that

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opening blows me away, and it just looks beautiful.

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So I hope that's.

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Kind of a stepping stone to saying there's going to

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be more animation and Tresh's future, because I think that

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helps with a lot of different production issues, aside from

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the fact that you can get a lot.

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Of stories out of it. We'll see where it goes.

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And we can only hope.

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We can only hope.

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Yeah, did you guys notice some of very humorous lines

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from Pike in this episode. I'm telling you there were

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some lines that he had me rolling. First off, the

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whole zombie thing as he hesitated to call them zombies

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right and then and then when Membinga gives the definition

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of he goes, that sounds like the Z word, which

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was great. And then he followed up later when the

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Klans capture them and he goes, at least you're not

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trying to eat us. And then the one that really

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got me that I lost it was when he asks

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we need weapons and she goes there and stabs him

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in the leg and he falls.

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He goes, no, walk right into that one.

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Yeah, huh.

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Yeah, the great lines of this episode.

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I love Captain Pike. I mean, it's a joy to

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watch him anytime he's on screen. But yeah, when they

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give him good lines like that, it's it's amazing.

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Well, let's talk about.

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Some other favorite moments from this episode. I know there's

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a ton, but Wayne, what are some that stood out

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to you.

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My favorite part of the episode was actually very way

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at the end when Ortegas is brought up in front

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of Number One and scolded. I mean, I got such

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unusual feeling about this storyline. I had mentioned that I

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think we're now starting to come into the season storyline,

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and after watching this episode, I'm even more certain that

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we are now starting to get elements of what where

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this season is heading for, and not just you know,

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this character is doing this. As characters doing that, I

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think there's going to be some great consequences for some

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of these characters. And I think our Tegas is not

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going to come out of this looking good at the

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end of the season. That's my prediction, especially after that scene.

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But I just absolutely love the scene because I like

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the character of Number One and sometimes in some of

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the episodes she can be sorely underused, and because I'm

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Rebcca Mains such a great actress and she got so

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much great stuff to do this episode, and that scene

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just was incredible with the two of them. I love

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that bit.

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They're definitely foreshadowing something because when she's getting ready to leave,

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she goes she tells her this can't happen again. You

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could just feel how ominous that was that something bad

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is coming and it's gonna cost It's gonna cost Erica something.

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You know it is, and it's that's just how two

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weeks she got something big is coming for sure.

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Yeah, that's exactly how I feel. And the more this

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series goes along, I know, we're only not even quite

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halfway through this series, I don't think all these characters

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are going to make it you know well, I mean

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by the end of the end of the series. And

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my eye is right now on her. Yeah, I agree.

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I kind of hope that even though it does feel

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like it's inevitable that something's going to happen, that it

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will you know, cost her her her seat on the bridge.

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I'm hoping that it carries out through the end of

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the season at least, if not the end of the series,

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because I think just having a character have some conflict

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on the bridge. I think we've seen it in the

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past with Wharf on Next Generation. We've seen it played

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out to great effect on DS nine with Nurse characters

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that don't always necessarily agree with command and that kind

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of decision point when they have to decide, am I

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going to take this action that I think is right?

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Because in some cases that's kind of encouraged or am

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I going to just follow orders? And the tension there

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is I think what makes the dynamic kind of thrive

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on the bridge, even though there are times when she's like,

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she's exactly right, like, I can't have you taking actions

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that I don't know about, because it's not only compromising

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my command, but it's also putting me in a position

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where I don't know what to expect and that can't

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really happen. It was very interesting her emotional response to

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that too as she was going out. You know, as

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she was walking out, it kind of felt like, oh, man,

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I was kind of expecting this had happened, but I

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maybe she didn't think that it would actually happen, or

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that she was kind of anticipating it maybe kind of

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regretting it, but I don't know. The acting and the

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dynamics between the two of them was amazing.

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Well, I'm glad they went that direction though, because you know,

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I was worried that, you know, she was going to

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dissobate the orders and the ship would be saved and

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everybody be patting her on her back, you know, that

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whole old cliche that you see. This really shows there

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are I mean, yes, she did, she saved the ship

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or you know, but she did it the wrong way

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and she dissobated orders and you cannot do that in Starfleet.

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There are consequences, And like I said, I really think

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that we're going to see more of that and more

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happened to her as the season progresses.

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Yeah, I think the other obviously, the other conflict that

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we had that would kind of bubble up from time

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to time was between Pike and a Manga, specifically around

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Patel's decision to go ahead with a very risky procedure

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that basically leans into whatever is happening that could kind

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of hybridize her with Gorn and Pike saying like how

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could you, how could you do that and how could

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you withhold that information from me? But Amenga has a

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responsibility to kind of guard her privacy, and not just

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not just on the face value of saying we have

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to protect our privacy, but there are reasons for doing so,

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and he was doing them for the right reasons. But

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then also interesting because he's the captain of the ship

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where these things are happening, and he's in a very

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serious relationship with her, so then it seems like he

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has a right to know. It's a lot of interesting

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dichotomy with that that they allowed to play out, and

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I think it just kind of strengthens or deepens the

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relationship between those characters, knowing that they're you know, they're

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laughing on the shuttle about you know, times that they've

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had in the past. So they've clearly got a pretty

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established friendship. But this is something that get very very

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could interfere with that friendship. I think a couple of

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different ways.

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Well, Pike's got to be careful too, because that's starting

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to affect him and his decisions, and that's going to

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fracture that between him and the tel because, I mean,

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the decisions he made in this episode probably not the

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smartest decision as a captain of an enterprise. Yeah, he's

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doing it for one person, and you know, we know

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where that's going to go.

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We could probably quote Spock on.

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That one, but we won't because it's it's said so

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many times, but you can definitely see his decision making.

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Even though it you know, they got out of this one,

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it's still you're putting a lot of people into areas

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that could get them killed, and that's not a good

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way to go for a captain. But I like the

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fracture of all the characters that we're starting to see

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because that adds so much to these stories and these characters.

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That makes it feel real and pulls you into it,

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kind of like what Wayne mentioned. It's not all, Hey,

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everybody's happy, let's pat each other on the back, you know. No,

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we're seeing real humans on a starship who have faults

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and we're seeing that and it makes great storytelling.

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Yeah, that makes me want to go back and watch

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Under the Cloak of War all over again because that

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was such a powerful episode and seeing how that encounter

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with General Dacraw is it DoCRA still weighs on him

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and a great use of his suppose that his daughter

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Bitha who got into the blood fight with him in

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the middle of a zombie arena, Right, can.

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We do this somewhere else?

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And yeah, it was with.

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The Klingons too. Did you guys get some very serious

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star Trek six by Oh? Yes, all of this? Yeah,

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I mean I felt all the way through. Plus the

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fact that the music was very, very reminiscent of cliff

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Iiedelman's music. From that, I mean, it was obvious that

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she was she was trying to imitate Itelman's styles. So yeah,

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which I love that. I mean, that's one of our

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favorite films.

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Yeah, I mean they're they're they're not getting out of

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the park on all angles.

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They really are.

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Yeah.

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Well, and even the the end of the fight, the

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fact that he you can see the rage in his

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eyes and that he's like a hair away from you know,

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ending the battle and killing her, but he holds back

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and it takes him like he has to kind of

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push away from her as he's doing that, as he's

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standing up to you know, like you said, Dave, kind

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of keep the monster at bay. You can see that

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he's struggling with that a lot, especially because he sees

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that there's utility of keeping that monster yep around. But

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the way that she reacts to it, what she does

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next blew me away. So she she stands up, she

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undoes her sash in this badass Castlevania style rip chain

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whip comes out, and her her line where she says,

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choke on me.

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You filthy tarks.

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Yeah, like, oh that was so cool. It was it

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was totally unexpected, like it came out of nowhere, but

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it was it was totally worth it. I'm glad they

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went there.

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You too.

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Boy. They didn't hold back on the gore either, did they.

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Usually Star Trek doesn't show that stuff, but they didn't care.

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I mean she smashed ahead.

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Did you see that?

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Yeah?

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Yeah, oh my god, start where are we going? I

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love it?

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Well.

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And when Pike gets his one kill and puts the

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blade through the back of the head, through the mouth,

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but it splatters on the camera.

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Yes, yeah, another moment right there, exactly.

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Right, the kind of Lord of the Rings kind of

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thing like, yeah, that was just one.

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Yeah.

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Anything else you wanted to say about the score?

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Wait, and you mentioned that a little bit.

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I mean, I love her music for this series, always have.

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It's it's a great score. Like I said, it was

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very reminiscent of Cliff Idelman's. The only thing I got

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to add is I hope if she continues producing scores

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like this, I hope she's the least nominated for an

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Amy Award because she deserves it.

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I agree, Yeah, that's what she does. Well.

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There's a lot of interesting directions where we could go

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with or Tegus with a Benga, with Patel. Any predictions

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that you have starting with Patel, what do you think

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they're going to do with her.

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I think she's gonna die, Yeah, I still do.

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Yeah, yeah, so not survive the procedure, or do you

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think we're going to see some kind of human Gordon

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hybrid kind of attempt.

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It's the way they're showing it. It's it's hard to

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call it right now. It could go either way. To

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be honest with you, I think somehow how she's going

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to become some kind of hybrid and maybe not get killed,

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but go off somewhere as this hybrid because she has

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to get away. Otherwise she's going to become a threat

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to the enterprise.

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Well yeah, that's my thought too, But it could also

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go the other way that they are forced to kill her. Yeah,

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save the crew.

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She's not gonna make it no matter what one of

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the scenarios is happening, They're gonna her character is gonna leave,

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right yeah.

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Yeah, Which is kind of a tragic end of that relationship,

477
00:24:29.000 --> 00:24:32.759
and an unexpectedly tragged tragic and to it because we

478
00:24:32.799 --> 00:24:36.319
always thought it would be what happens with Pike, but

479
00:24:36.359 --> 00:24:38.400
we at least thought that maybe they'd get the you know,

480
00:24:38.599 --> 00:24:40.039
enough of a relationship.

481
00:24:39.559 --> 00:24:40.559
Until that day happens.

482
00:24:40.559 --> 00:24:44.319
But we'll have to kind of see. It's also interesting

483
00:24:44.400 --> 00:24:46.960
how much they're diving into the gorn. Like in The

484
00:24:47.519 --> 00:24:51.160
Hegemony Part two you saw those kind of digestive sex,

485
00:24:51.160 --> 00:24:55.640
which is really disturbing. And that kind of that other

486
00:24:55.720 --> 00:24:58.079
type of gorn that we saw in that spock vision

487
00:24:58.680 --> 00:25:00.759
makes me think that we're going to see maybe like

488
00:25:00.799 --> 00:25:04.119
a Gordon Queen or some other kind of hint at

489
00:25:04.160 --> 00:25:06.319
their infrastructure and how all that kind of thing works.

490
00:25:06.400 --> 00:25:09.119
Is just gonna make it more interesting series to watch.

491
00:25:09.720 --> 00:25:12.559
All Right, Well, I think we've already said which crew

492
00:25:12.599 --> 00:25:16.839
member shine the most, no.

493
00:25:16.759 --> 00:25:17.240
Doubt about it.

494
00:25:17.279 --> 00:25:21.279
Yeah, easy to see. What was your favorite a Benga

495
00:25:21.359 --> 00:25:23.680
moment when mm hmm.

496
00:25:24.480 --> 00:25:29.440
I liked the the banter with the with the Pike,

497
00:25:30.559 --> 00:25:33.319
especially on the shuttle and when they get onto the planet.

498
00:25:34.079 --> 00:25:36.480
You don't see that too much with the captain because

499
00:25:36.480 --> 00:25:38.960
he's always he's the captain. You know, he can he

500
00:25:38.960 --> 00:25:42.400
can joke around a little bit, but not really friend

501
00:25:42.400 --> 00:25:46.640
to friend conversation. I I like that. It's they're a

502
00:25:46.640 --> 00:25:51.000
good two further you know there, it's there. It's a

503
00:25:51.000 --> 00:25:54.759
two you know, two part act there. I really like that.

504
00:25:54.759 --> 00:25:56.839
That would be my favorite moment, just the dialogue was

505
00:25:56.880 --> 00:26:00.359
written so well for him this episode, No Dave, what

506
00:26:00.400 --> 00:26:00.799
about You?

507
00:26:01.240 --> 00:26:03.279
There's so many good moments, but I have to go

508
00:26:03.319 --> 00:26:07.720
to the reveal that he assassinated dc Raw. That whole

509
00:26:07.759 --> 00:26:10.200
speech he gives right there, you could just see the

510
00:26:10.400 --> 00:26:13.720
anger in his eyes and his face. But he also

511
00:26:13.759 --> 00:26:17.119
realizes he has to keep that at bay, and he

512
00:26:17.319 --> 00:26:21.319
knows that he's allowing this secret out to Pike, who's

513
00:26:21.400 --> 00:26:24.599
right there, so he knows he's he has this deep

514
00:26:24.640 --> 00:26:26.839
friend in Pike, and he's got to finally let it

515
00:26:26.839 --> 00:26:30.079
out and let Pike realize that was not an accident

516
00:26:30.160 --> 00:26:34.160
he assassinated doc Raw. And I like the how that

517
00:26:34.279 --> 00:26:36.039
kind of wrapped itself up at the end where they

518
00:26:36.119 --> 00:26:39.680
had that talk again. I think the line was before

519
00:26:39.720 --> 00:26:43.119
that where they were going on that mission and he said,

520
00:26:44.240 --> 00:26:46.839
you know, we're not I'm not a captain as a

521
00:26:46.839 --> 00:26:49.240
friend right now when he was talking about Patel, remember

522
00:26:49.480 --> 00:26:52.240
when they're on there, And then then they gonna use

523
00:26:52.279 --> 00:26:54.160
that again at the end of the episode, not as

524
00:26:54.240 --> 00:26:56.519
not you know, I'm not talking to you as a captain.

525
00:26:56.519 --> 00:26:58.359
I'm talking to you as a friend right now. So

526
00:26:58.480 --> 00:27:02.039
I like how that wrapped back to that conversation between

527
00:27:02.039 --> 00:27:04.640
the two of them, So there's just so much there,

528
00:27:04.720 --> 00:27:07.079
But their development between those two of them was fantastic

529
00:27:07.079 --> 00:27:08.000
in this episode.

530
00:27:08.359 --> 00:27:11.680
I think it's something that we've seen from the beginning

531
00:27:11.720 --> 00:27:16.640
of Trek where there's a close personal relationship that's developed

532
00:27:16.640 --> 00:27:20.119
with the medical crew, which is a great call because

533
00:27:20.160 --> 00:27:24.480
that gives you so many dramatic possibilities, and yeah, I

534
00:27:24.480 --> 00:27:27.039
think they use it to a great effect here. You

535
00:27:27.039 --> 00:27:32.400
could see with Bengo when he's first kind of confronted

536
00:27:32.440 --> 00:27:36.599
by Bitha and he's it's kind of revealed who she

537
00:27:36.920 --> 00:27:40.279
is and that this doc Ra person is coming back

538
00:27:40.319 --> 00:27:43.799
to haunt him yet again. She tosses that kind of

539
00:27:43.799 --> 00:27:46.160
sigil to him for him to kind of consider for

540
00:27:46.200 --> 00:27:48.559
a moment, and then he slams it on the ground

541
00:27:48.599 --> 00:27:51.359
as hard as he can, and it just seems like

542
00:27:52.000 --> 00:27:55.200
he's he's tired of this thing continuing to haunt him.

543
00:27:55.720 --> 00:27:59.079
He is angry at the monster inside him that's kind

544
00:27:59.079 --> 00:28:01.839
of creating this situation that's coming back to haunt him again,

545
00:28:02.519 --> 00:28:05.440
and he's probably resenting to a certain degree how much

546
00:28:05.559 --> 00:28:10.519
this monster has to keep getting pulled out that he's like,

547
00:28:10.599 --> 00:28:13.519
I don't want this, Like in Under the cloak of

548
00:28:13.519 --> 00:28:16.319
war that did an amazing job of him kind of

549
00:28:16.359 --> 00:28:19.279
trying to keep that at bay as much as possible

550
00:28:19.440 --> 00:28:23.880
until Doc Rob kind of pulled it out. I thought

551
00:28:23.920 --> 00:28:27.119
there was a badass line that he had there that

552
00:28:27.759 --> 00:28:29.200
I don't know if I'm going to quote it perfectly

553
00:28:29.200 --> 00:28:30.720
because I couldn't writ it down fast enough.

554
00:28:30.759 --> 00:28:31.799
But the gist of it is.

555
00:28:33.519 --> 00:28:36.640
She's trying to say, do you not recognize the eyes

556
00:28:36.680 --> 00:28:37.839
that are looking back at you?

557
00:28:38.759 --> 00:28:39.880
And he said, I've.

558
00:28:39.759 --> 00:28:42.400
Killed too many Klingons from too many houses to know

559
00:28:42.480 --> 00:28:47.160
which one you belong to. Oh my god, if that's

560
00:28:47.200 --> 00:28:49.279
not a big slap in the face to Bitha as

561
00:28:49.519 --> 00:28:51.759
she's standing there with a knife like I'm getting ready

562
00:28:51.759 --> 00:28:54.519
to kill you, and he's like, yeah, I've seen that before.

563
00:28:56.279 --> 00:28:59.839
It's just an incredible character development. And I've got to give,

564
00:29:00.119 --> 00:29:05.960
you know, hats off to Babs, the actor who portrays him.

565
00:29:06.279 --> 00:29:10.000
It's it's a showcase of his skills and it's it's,

566
00:29:10.400 --> 00:29:14.279
you know, definitely he wins the episode here. I know

567
00:29:14.319 --> 00:29:17.359
we always get into easter eggs. I know there's probably

568
00:29:18.400 --> 00:29:20.920
a lot that we've already talked about obviously with Ken forty,

569
00:29:22.359 --> 00:29:24.680
When were there any others that you caught that stood.

570
00:29:24.400 --> 00:29:27.160
Out very few. There was a lot of story to

571
00:29:27.160 --> 00:29:29.440
cover here, but I was able to pull out three

572
00:29:29.799 --> 00:29:33.880
small ones. The Klingon ship that destroyed Pike and amingas

573
00:29:33.880 --> 00:29:37.240
shuttle at the beginning of the episode is a design

574
00:29:37.400 --> 00:29:39.720
that we haven't seen since the first season of Star

575
00:29:39.759 --> 00:29:44.839
Trek Discovery, back when they were redesigning the Klingons. Also,

576
00:29:45.000 --> 00:29:48.720
the Klingons use an updated version of their tri quarter

577
00:29:49.720 --> 00:29:52.799
that we had originally seen Star Trek three as well

578
00:29:52.839 --> 00:29:56.160
as Deep Space nine. And then probably the one that

579
00:29:56.200 --> 00:30:01.359
I the most obvious one is the varidium tre that

580
00:30:01.480 --> 00:30:05.880
me Benkas swallowed. If you remember of radium trackers, what

581
00:30:06.039 --> 00:30:10.599
was stuck on Kirk's back Star Trek's sixty on discovered country.

582
00:30:11.039 --> 00:30:12.599
Yep, I just didn't.

583
00:30:12.880 --> 00:30:14.440
I didn't know what she was talking about with like

584
00:30:15.119 --> 00:30:18.119
the grapes that he ate. I didn't know when that was,

585
00:30:18.680 --> 00:30:20.240
when that had happened, if that was like a call

586
00:30:20.279 --> 00:30:23.240
back to an episode or just a random.

587
00:30:22.559 --> 00:30:25.160
Apparently what I was told I thought was it happened

588
00:30:25.319 --> 00:30:27.839
at the party from last episode at the end?

589
00:30:28.960 --> 00:30:31.920
Interesting, Okay, can I just say a I want to

590
00:30:31.960 --> 00:30:36.480
throw out that Martin Quinn is fantastic as Scottie. We're

591
00:30:36.519 --> 00:30:40.200
really starting to see him shine and he's starting to

592
00:30:40.279 --> 00:30:43.880
show his magic with the transporter and engineering.

593
00:30:44.839 --> 00:30:46.720
Yeah, yeah, he's good.

594
00:30:46.920 --> 00:30:51.279
We're definitely get hints at, you know, Scotty's future. I

595
00:30:51.279 --> 00:30:53.160
thought it was interesting when we had that line about like, oh,

596
00:30:53.200 --> 00:30:54.680
I'm not much of a drinker, and it was.

597
00:30:54.839 --> 00:30:58.519
Like, yeah, you are not yet maybe, but.

598
00:30:59.000 --> 00:31:03.640
Yeah, and the dynamic there in engineering is is fantastic.

599
00:31:03.759 --> 00:31:03.960
Yeah.

600
00:31:04.000 --> 00:31:06.680
Where the hell with Pelia? Where the hell with Pelia

601
00:31:06.720 --> 00:31:07.839
and this thing?

602
00:31:08.400 --> 00:31:10.079
Okay, I get the whole thing of not going to

603
00:31:10.119 --> 00:31:11.960
the meeting because she hates them, Like I'm gonna said,

604
00:31:12.839 --> 00:31:16.559
we're crying out loud, they're fighting, kling on where are you?

605
00:31:18.200 --> 00:31:20.920
Yep, She's doing everything else, Bro, He's.

606
00:31:21.799 --> 00:31:22.759
You're not doing all the work.

607
00:31:22.839 --> 00:31:24.000
Now, She's just going to hang back.

608
00:31:24.079 --> 00:31:26.920
You doing exactly exactly, all right?

609
00:31:27.000 --> 00:31:29.839
Any other standout moments you wanted to call out?

610
00:31:30.160 --> 00:31:32.920
I want to mention one thing that seems to be

611
00:31:33.359 --> 00:31:35.920
the one and only thing that everybody's talking about on

612
00:31:37.480 --> 00:31:41.799
social media, and that is Number one's hair. Ah forget

613
00:31:41.839 --> 00:31:45.000
what what were your opinion of it? I'll tell you mine.

614
00:31:45.079 --> 00:31:47.880
I hated that hairstyle. If we were going to do that.

615
00:31:47.960 --> 00:31:49.519
You know, which character do you want to be? I

616
00:31:49.519 --> 00:31:51.680
wanted to be number one so I could change her hairstyle.

617
00:31:52.440 --> 00:31:54.039
So I did not like it.

618
00:31:54.319 --> 00:31:56.920
But I know why they did it. Yeah, there was

619
00:31:56.960 --> 00:31:59.240
a reason because of the losing gravity.

620
00:31:59.480 --> 00:32:01.680
They didn't want all the female's hair if you're floating

621
00:32:01.759 --> 00:32:04.359
or have to do that with cgi. So if you

622
00:32:04.480 --> 00:32:06.759
notice all the females who had long hair, they're all

623
00:32:07.079 --> 00:32:07.599
noted up.

624
00:32:08.200 --> 00:32:11.240
Yeah, it still looks horrible on her. I'm gonna say it.

625
00:32:11.240 --> 00:32:13.559
I just didn't like that at all. I didn't either,

626
00:32:13.640 --> 00:32:14.160
I'm with you.

627
00:32:14.240 --> 00:32:17.279
I thought it was, yeah, no change the hair right now, lady,

628
00:32:17.319 --> 00:32:18.680
It does not be good at all.

629
00:32:19.000 --> 00:32:19.960
It was definitely new.

630
00:32:20.079 --> 00:32:24.799
It kind of gave me uh leah on hawf vibes.

631
00:32:25.079 --> 00:32:26.079
Yeah, yeah, it did.

632
00:32:26.160 --> 00:32:31.599
Like the way it was kind of style, right. I

633
00:32:31.640 --> 00:32:33.359
don't know. I kind of got the sense that it was.

634
00:32:33.319 --> 00:32:36.319
Like, you know, in terms of the writing, like you know,

635
00:32:36.400 --> 00:32:38.839
if she's she's in the captain's chair and she has

636
00:32:38.920 --> 00:32:42.880
to you know, I don't know if it's like batt

637
00:32:42.920 --> 00:32:45.960
already you know, hair or something like that, but it

638
00:32:46.000 --> 00:32:48.519
was it was definitely interesting. I was like, it's definitely

639
00:32:48.599 --> 00:32:50.079
something that caught my attention a lot, and I was like,

640
00:32:50.119 --> 00:32:51.119
I don't know what to do with.

641
00:32:51.039 --> 00:32:54.680
That, but it reminded me the whole Remember on Remember

642
00:32:54.759 --> 00:32:57.160
Voyager Captain Jane Waiste's hair. You know, we had half

643
00:32:57.160 --> 00:32:59.119
the season where it was pinned up and the other

644
00:32:59.160 --> 00:33:01.440
half of the season where it was down. And I mean,

645
00:33:01.519 --> 00:33:03.680
which one did you prefer? I always prefer the hair down,

646
00:33:03.880 --> 00:33:04.480
the hair down.

647
00:33:04.920 --> 00:33:11.000
Yeah, we'll talk about that when we cover Voyager. I

648
00:33:11.000 --> 00:33:13.039
can honestly say I've not watched enough of a Voyager

649
00:33:13.079 --> 00:33:14.000
to have an opinion on it.

650
00:33:14.079 --> 00:33:17.720
But yeah, you don't agree with this, Yeah, definitely you

651
00:33:17.759 --> 00:33:18.680
will agree with us.

652
00:33:19.880 --> 00:33:20.319
All right.

653
00:33:21.200 --> 00:33:23.759
Well, I'm glad to say we'll be back next week

654
00:33:23.920 --> 00:33:26.440
for another episode and I can't see. I can't wait

655
00:33:26.440 --> 00:33:28.359
to see where that goes. And Listeners, we hope you'll

656
00:33:28.400 --> 00:33:32.200
come back to join us. Dave, Wayne, always a pleasure.

657
00:33:32.680 --> 00:33:34.920
Thanks for coming on and talking with us and leaving

658
00:33:34.920 --> 00:33:36.079
a seat open on the bridge for me.

659
00:33:36.480 --> 00:33:37.200
Good to have you back.

660
00:33:37.319 --> 00:33:41.400
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