Aug. 5, 2025

Phasers Set To Stun: Strange New Worlds S3.E4 A Space Adventure Hour

Phasers Set To Stun: Strange New Worlds S3.E4 A Space Adventure Hour
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Season 6 Phasers Set To Stun

On "Phasers Set To Stun," we recognize the popularity of all things Star Trek, with a look at the television shows, animation, movies, and much more. On this week's episode, our crew continues their conversation about the third season of Star Trek: Strange New Worlds. Join us for a recap of episode 4, A Space Adventure Hour.

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Space the Final Frontier. Join us for a bold conversation

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our prime directive to recap our favorite Star Trek shows,

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both new and old, to engage and debate about all

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things Trek. Prepare to energize with Phasers Set to Stunt.

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Hello, listeners, and welcome back to a new episode of

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Phaser Set to Stunt, where we continue to show our

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love for Everything's Star Trek in this ongoing series from

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a film by podcast which focuses on every system of

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the expanding Star Trek universe by covering television, movies, animation, directors, merchandise,

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and much much more. Plotting your course on this voyage

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is your Core Trek crew. I'm Wayne Whited'm Chyle Hoffmann.

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I'm David Burns, and today we talk about season three,

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Episode four of Star Trek's Strange New Worlds, titled a

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Space Adventure Hour, written by Dana Oregon and Catherine Lynn,

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and directed by Jonathan Frakes. So from this point forward,

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it's red alert, folks. There are spoilers ahead. If you

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haven't seen this episode yet, please stop and show yourself

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to the nearest view screen to catch it on Paramount Plus.

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Then come back and rejoin us. For the discussion, Scott,

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why don't you give us a short summary of the episode.

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Happy to Far.

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Before Dixon Hill or Sherlock Hol solved mysteries on the Enterprise,

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there was another detective making interstellar history, Amelia Moon. That's

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the character that inspired la On moonion Sing to pursue

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a career focused on justice and the identity she takes

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on for a game of murder mystery. This happens on

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board Enterprise is a test of a prototype holideck, which

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pushes the ship to its limits to keep the mystery alive.

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What Lawn doesn't know is that Scotty can't break her

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out of the holidack unless she can solve the mystery.

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If she can't, the overloaded system puts the entire ship

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and crew at risk. Will she find the answer she needs?

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Will this adventure leave her with more questions? Let's talk

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about this amazingly original look back at a parody of

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TOS while seeing how the future of the Enterprise Prize

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technology unfolds. So I'm holding my breath wanting to know

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what you both thought of this, because it does go

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to a very interesting different place.

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They weren't singing, so that makes me happy.

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Hey, Hey, hey hey. I still defend that one.

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I thought it was a very unique episode. I had

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a feeling it was gonna be a holiday episode, which

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that are introducing kind of early in the track, but

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that's besides the point. I found it very intriguing, and

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I thought all of the actors who played the different

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characters were in this. I thought you could definitely tell

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that they were having fun with these different roles and

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just going with it, and I thought that was amazing.

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You could just see how much fun they were having

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in these different roles that they were playing. A couple

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of people I thought stole the show, but we'll get

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to that point a little bit later. I absolutely loved

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how this episode opened. It was so much fun to

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see this, yeah, and just getting to obviously you knew

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what they were doing, but then even to do the

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main title sequence matched with it as well, which just

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was a great move for the creators to start trek

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Paul Wesley being as William Shatner as he can.

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What's great?

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Yeah, I mean, and I'll say I'll say what I

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had said on a previous episode that opening sequence, there's

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flavors of lower decks in there, like assuming that's all animation.

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It was.

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It was very very well done.

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I'm kind of surprised that you didn't do a little

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bit of dabling in practical effects there.

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But I'm glad they went the way they did.

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Wayne.

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What about you?

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I like the episode. I did like the episode, but

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I'm conflicted about certain things on it. You know, as

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a viewer, I thought the episode was a lot of fun.

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It was.

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It was a lot of fun. But as a tricky

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it's bothers me big time because modern day Trek, I mean,

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you expect something something different than what we're used to.

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And my problem with this episode. And believe don't get

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me wrong, I like the episode, okay, but I do

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have one little problem. It is said it's not an

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episode of Strange New Worlds. It's an episode of the

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Next Generation. It's very obviously that's what it is, because

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I mean, you know, it's it's a holiday episode. That's

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what it is. It's a holiday episode in that series

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is known for being for having a lot of Holodeck episodes,

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and this this I'm not sure they should have done

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this episode. That's that's just this is the problem I'm

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having with it because with only ten episodes of season

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I just I don't know. I'm really conflicted with this.

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You know, it was a fun episode, you know, very

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much in the the style of all the fun you know,

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holiday episodes like Oh the Big Goodbye and Elementary Dear

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Data that this really reminded me of that one. And

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I'm like, you know, Voyagers Brighter Chaotic of is another

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one that this really reminding. But this is ground that

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we've tread before, and that's where I have my issue

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with this, because I never thought I would ever see

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this type of episode in this in this series. So

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I don't know, I'm I'm maybe I need to watch

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it a little bit more, let it sink in a

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little bit longer. But I can't tell whether I should

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praise the episode or or fuss about it.

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So so this this episode is kind of a double

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edged sword.

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I see where you're talking at there. I agree with you.

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We've got only ten episodes.

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Why are you giving us this kind of bottle episode

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that really kind of doesn't push the story along except

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for the Leon and Spock stuff. But for me, I

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think the other side of the coin here is, yeah,

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it's your typical holiday episode that we got in the

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Next Generation. But I think with this being meta, that

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it is that it gave us Trek fans a like

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a like a love back to us, almost like a

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love letter back to us and to Gene Roddenberry, because

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I mean, come on, let's be honest. T K. Bellows,

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who Pike is playing, is kind of Geene Roddenberry here, Okay, definitely.

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And the speech.

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That is given by is it Jonie I think played

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by Horr the speech that she gives, you know, talking

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about you know, people who take on this show of

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fans have a deep love for it this and when

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you look at it that way, I feel like this

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is Jonathan Frakes, who again directed this episode, and probably

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why it feels a little bit like the Next Generation.

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But this is Jonathan Fakes almost saying you know, I

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see you fans, and I appreciate what you've done at

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the same time appreciating what Gene Roddenberry tried, has done,

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not tried, has done over the years. And if we remember,

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Gene Roddenberry even had problems towards the Star Trek. Remember

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he got thrown off the set fag at what movie

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it was, but and he kind of got barred from

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his own product and exactly what has happened to t

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K in this episode. So I feel like this was

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kind of a love letter to everything Star Trek, and

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that's the way I look at it.

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I see your viewpoint, but I also see that viewpoint.

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Well that's why I have the problem with it. I

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had fun through it from beginning to end of the episode.

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I really did have fun, and I liked it. I

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just I'm just not sure it should have been done because, well,

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first of all, we have to admit this is going

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to split the viewers right down the center. You're either

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gonna love it or you're gonna hate it. But I

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think it's just it's it just follows too closely the

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basic format of the past Holodek episodes. I think that's

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what's bothered me. You know, you got your you know,

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the adventures created. You know, Oh no, something goes wrong.

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Now they're trapped and the safety protocols are off. They

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got to finish the story, and then of course the

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Enterprise is in danger. You know, it's it's we've seen

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that many times before. I there so much can be done,

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you know, the really disguised the limit with holodic episodes,

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and this is just retreading, like the greatest hits of

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the Holidak. I think they could have done something a

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little more more original with the story. And I'm not

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even going to get into the idea of the fact

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that I don't think the Holodics should exist at this point,

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you know, our least at least in the format that

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we see in this because you know, there was something

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called the rec room, the recreation room in the animated series,

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but this what we see, this is a full blown

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Holidack anyways called that. You know, you got the the

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yellow and black grid, you got the arch.

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You know.

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I can accept that they would be working on a

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prototype of the technology, but I think maybe we should

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have made a little more primitive. I think I think

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that's what's what's hitting my my trek nerve right now,

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because you know, this is just like the holiday that

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we saw in Enterprise D. There's very little difference to it,

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and you know, just like the one we saw and

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encounter at farpoint, especially the Big Goodbye, because that's this

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This story really reminded me of the Big Goodbye, and

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I appreciate their attempt to work it into the folklore,

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but I I guess I just always assumed that the

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hall was a newer technology in the twenty fourth century,

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because if you remember, in the pilot NEC Generation pilot, right,

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neither Richer or Wesley had even seen a holiday, and

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here we are over one hundred years. I'm not sure

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exactly how long ago this episode was between those two stories.

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But I don't know.

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I'm gonna throw all that out and say I like it, so, Okay, yeah,

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I was not really good. Yeah it was fun.

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I agree that. I think it was a lot of fun.

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I think I'm leaning more toward the the Dave side

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of Wayne right now, because Wayne, it sounds like you're

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standing on that line between the oven hate yeah, which

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is an interesting achademy because you're kind of talking about, like,

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you know, it's something that's making you think about it

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a lot, not with a lot of distaste, but just

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kind of should it have been this?

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Right?

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I think when you're mentioning episodes, it kind of reminds

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you of just when you started talking about it. It

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did remind me a little bit of Far Beyond the

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Stars from Deep Space Gap, where it's not directly talking

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about the creators of the show, and I think that's

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one of the things that was really interesting about this

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that they did it as kind of a an homage

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type parody, but it didn't seem like they were taking

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vicious jabs at anybody that was involved with the show,

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like the Lucille Ball type character of the Gene Ruddenberry

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type characters. It all seems to be done with a

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lot of fun and reverence, and I think when you

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want to have that kind of tone, Jonathan Frakes is

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exactly the guy to go to, oh before that kind

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of stuff. I think it's interesting the way that they

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explained some of that when you talk about like the

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technology shouldn't be there yet, when they say, you know,

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we can only have a limited cast of characters that

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has to be based off the transport buffer patterns, so

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it can't necessarily create anybody original. Although that did make

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me think who was in the bathtub? I wasn't able

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to catch the face of the person in the bathtub,

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and I don't think they were trying to go to

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a place where it was.

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Like, let's shore one of the grew dead.

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I'm sure there was part of me.

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Is wondering about that anyway, and the fact that they

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basically use the holiday to create like a clue type

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situation where it's a limited number of rooms, it's in

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a gigantic mansion. We just get the sense that it's

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a gigantic mansion because every room is giant and ornate

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and whatever. So I can see how it is kind

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of operating with some limitations there. It did kind of

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catch me off guard, like should this have existed at

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this point? But if there's anybody who should be at

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the center of trying to fix it when it goes haywire?

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I think Scotty was a lot of fun to watch.

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It was fun to watch him kind of, you know,

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panic can kind of fumble and say, like, hypothetically, if

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this went pear shaped, what would somebody to do about it?

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I also agree with the timing seemed odd, like, if

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you're going to test this kind of thing to see

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if it can work on a starship, wouldn't you want

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to test that base doc rather than saying, let's park

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outside a neutron star where anything could possibly happen, and

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it does. Wouldn't it be safer to kind of run

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this in a place where if life support went down completely,

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they could transport everybody out.

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Well, that's the common sense part of it. But that

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wouldn't be Star Trek.

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And it wouldn't be right. It would just be like

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how boring.

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Don't get me started on data on an android that

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you keep giving all this you know, room to do

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whatever you want and he goes wrong.

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Okay, No, we're not going there, right.

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You know, I keep saying I'm fighting whether I loved

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or or hated the episode, but I'm going to go

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I'm just going to say I did love the episode.

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I thought it was so much fun. I'm going to

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I'm going to follow the advice of an ancient philosopher

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that once said that just repeat to yourself, it's just

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a show, and I should really just relax.

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Words of wisdom.

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Yes, indeed, so clearly this is the weird episode of

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the season.

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Right, they always have one. I'm assuming this is the

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weird one this season.

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Yeah, that's true.

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Yeah, so look at it that way.

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Yeah, so let me let me let me flip the

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coin on you though. Let's say the whole episode was

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a space adventure hour the the was it the Last Frontier? Yep,

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Let's say the whole episode was that. But it ends

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with maybe Trelaine paying another trick on them or another

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alien race is doing something to them, so that it's

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not a hollow deck. It's like they're they're having tricks

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played on them, and so they're caught up somewhere, and

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then we get that explanation towards the end of the episode.

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Would that be a better episode than what than a

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hollow deck?

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I probably would have.

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Yeah, I think it would have.

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It would have been another fun episode, I think because

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I mean, I really really enjoyed the original series parody

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that they do get and especially Paul Wells Wesley's performance

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that had me laughing. What a what an unusual way

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to start an episode. I never saw that coming.

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I love the the blue not to fast forward to

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the end, but the blooper real at the end when.

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He tries the rik remover and breaks the chair.

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Yes, that was great. Yeah, all right.

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I also want to point out to that, you know,

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there was so much stuff that we really loved in

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this episode, but I thought this music was wonderful. This

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this time around two. She did a phenomenal job of

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recreating the style and the feel of of the not

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only original series, but a little bit of hints of

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the animated series. So it hats off to h Nanny

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A Melomat. We haven't said her name much this season,

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but she's done a wonderful, wonderful job.

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The music has just been really good this season, not

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seeing the previous seasons had been terrible. But me and

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they are just knocketting out of the park this season

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after each episode.

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And it's just another element of how they really leaned

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into this, like the opening credits being the opening credits

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for the Last Frontier not for Strange New Worlds, Like

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they could have done a different direction there, but they

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just totally leaned into it.

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I don't think it works.

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Yeah, I mean it sounded it sounded like the original series,

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but it was using the Strange New World's theme and

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I thought that was that was brilliant. I really hope

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we could have soundtrack this season. We haven't got one

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from last season's, but come on now, give it to us.

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Kidding, I was gonna say, you guys had to absolutely.

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Love the whole falling around the bridge like it was

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getting it was getting hit and yes we're portraying that

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they were falling out of the chairs and moving around.

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I just I just thought that was hysterical.

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Yeah, the hyper jostling. Yeah.

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I liked the.

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What was the race called the Argonians?

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Yeah?

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Ye, the way they had just the exaggerated sticks that

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were holding the eyes on the side and the giant

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rubber face. That was another one where I was like,

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I'm trying to look beyond the makeup, who that is.

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I know it wasn't one of the core cast, but

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a lot of fun with that.

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I'm sure our producer is happy that everybody's hair is

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back to normal.

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Yeah, yeah, all right, anything else we have to share

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about our likes or dislikes about the episode.

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Well, he's not going to get my vote for which

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crew members shined the most, But I love Scotty in

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this episode. There's so many scottyisms. I mean, even as

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small as the way that he says lieutenant and he's

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talking to Long and the way he's worked into that

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found footage in the fake fireplace. I thought that was

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a cool little nugget, Like when he was going to

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get in touch with him, I didn't know if he

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was going to call them on the phone, but then

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he ends up being a character in that found footage,

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turns around and talks to them through the movie projector.

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I thought that was pretty cool.

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So here's my question, where the hell is Pellia?

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She's on leave. Didn't you hear.

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She didn't want to be anywhere you're testing a holiday,

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she knew how dangerous it would be, and she's to

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be like Scotty good luck.

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But this is like two episodes in a row. Now

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they're on a five year mission. Where the hell is she?

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Maybe it means that we get a Pelia centric episode

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cone up soon.

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But I mean, she's part of your main crew. She

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should be.

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I get the joke the last episode that she didn't

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want to attend the meeting so she sent Scotty. But

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two episodes in a row now we don't know anything

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about her. Where she's at. Is she just sleeping in

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her quarters?

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Is she sick? I don't know. It just seems so awkward.

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It is odd that she wasn't there, especially since I

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think her her expertise could have been used this episode.

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I don't know, but I mean, you know, we got

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to see Scotty, we got to see him shine, so

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you know she'll be back and maybe they'll explain it.

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Maybe.

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I also liked the two subtle nods that we had

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in this. I guess like Easter eggs to other famous detectives. Yeah,

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Carmen san Diego, Oh definitely. Well has to have some

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kind of influence on lines outfit. Credit to him for

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that and the other classic sixties detective Scooby Doo. Because

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the killer is always the first one you meet. I

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didn't get that until I rewatched and I was like, oh,

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the spot that appears in the holiday was behind.

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It all along.

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I thought that was interesting.

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Yeah, I mean, in terms of the mystery itself, it

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felt a little convoluted, but I did like the solution

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of it. I thought that was actually rather brilliant and

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good way of wrapping it up.

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Yep, agreed, Yeah, absolutely.

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Her David, who did you think shine this episode?

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You know, so many did a really good job in this,

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but I've got to give it to Pike in.

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All his quirkiness.

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T K also probably playing Gene Roddenberry, but I mean

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his heartbreaking scene there towards the end, where you know,

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when he finally tells what's going on, you know that

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he's being removed from the show and those kind of things,

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and you for you think that he's the murder, but

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he's not. He's just pissed off at the producers and

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pissed off everybody.

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But he still didn't kill anybody. But just some of

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those scenes were just.

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Hysterical with him, how he was just so like odd,

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which is not like Pike, you know, to be like that.

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And I believe there was a scene that they were

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talking about. I think it was UNA's character where she

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was talking about the house and Pike was like, but

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you love that house, and just this is that that

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small little line out of nowhere just made me laugh.

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So it was Pike, without questioning. Yeah, he did such

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a good job. They all really did a good job

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in their alternate personas you know. And I was kind

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of a little bit taken and back by ants and

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Mount's performance because it took me a few seconds to

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realize that was even him. He is so different from

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Pike and looks so different, but very obviously Jane Goddenberry,

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just like number ones was UNA's was definitely without a

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question was being Lucille Ball.

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Yep. But it's just so good.

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This was a long episode.

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I mean, there's no doubt.

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I think she shined the most in my opinion, And

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of course I love Christina Cheng. I think she does

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a wonderful job and everything she does, and she did

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a great job here and she looks like she's having

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a lot of fun this episode. But yes, she shined.

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But you really have to admit that that Paul Wesley's

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imitation has Shatner stole.

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The show, which apparently William Shender does not appreciate because

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I watched a video with you yesterday.

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He doesn't.

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No, he does not, But but Whyne You do bring

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up a good point. So we haven't really discussed it yet.

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Clearly they're going into a relationship with in spots. Yeah,

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that's obviously happening. So they're not beating around the bush anymore.

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So what do you feel about that? How do you

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guys feel about a relationship if that's where they're going.

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I mean, Spock had relationships for crying out loud. I

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don't have a problem with it. And the fact that

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he's trying to rebound from Chapel, which who wouldn't want

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to try to rebound from Chapel and who wouldn't go

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to Leon was absolutely beautiful, So I'm okay with it.

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Yeah, I.

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Know that there's going to have to be some kind

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of conflict there so it'll be interesting to see how

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that plays out, because I don't think they're going to

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go with the stereotypical route or kind of that cliche

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route that they could go with it. I do think

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on the second watch, it was interesting how Chapel's character

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in The Last Frontier has a moment of dialogue where

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she says, you know, can't I, you know, am I

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not allowed to have love and be able to be

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taking seriously in my career? And you see that kind

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of moment of pause from la on when she's not

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in characters Amelia, but she's genuinely recognizing that. So I

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feel like that's one of the clips that's gonna come back,

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and you know, last time on, I'd be interested to

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see how that relationship plays out and if it plays out.

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But hats off to him, and I mean, Spock's got

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to be a hell of.

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A dancer for you know.

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Yeah, as far as who shines, I think my favorite,

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uh my favorite in harrd a universe character has got

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to be ants and mount his performance. I agree, Like

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you can tell he was having fun every time he'd

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kind of fold his hands and rest them on the

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top of his belly and kind of look.

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Over his glasses.

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You can see that that's just like Frank's had to

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be just like giggling on the side. But you know,

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on having this this arc of a relationship with Spock,

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that's just beginning, all of the tango dancing and all

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the fun that she was having as Amelia Moon, you

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could tell she was having a lot of fun beef

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that detective even though it was you know, life or

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death stakes, and her own detective skills are really what

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helped to save the day here.

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Yeah, Now, if you had any choice to be in

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any character that appeared in this episode, which one would

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it be? And why what about you?

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Scott?

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I can hear Jeff shouting his answer right now, we

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all can.

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I think it would be interesting to be Scottie, and

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I would like to see kind of the you know,

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as much fun as this episode would be, it would

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be interesting to see his own kind of journey in

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trying to fix this thing, how to navigate this thing,

477
00:24:56.519 --> 00:24:59.160
and kind of look behind the scenes at the Holidack.

478
00:24:59.160 --> 00:25:00.400
I think that had been interesting.

479
00:25:00.559 --> 00:25:01.319
David, what about you?

480
00:25:02.039 --> 00:25:04.119
I'm going with the Jeff Johnson answer, and I'm going

481
00:25:04.119 --> 00:25:07.400
to say Spack because not only does he got some

482
00:25:07.480 --> 00:25:10.440
cool moves there, dancing on the floor, but he gets

483
00:25:10.839 --> 00:25:15.160
Leon Leon with on his arm and clearly going to

484
00:25:15.240 --> 00:25:17.119
have a little bit of a romance with her. So

485
00:25:17.839 --> 00:25:21.160
that's an obviously answer for me, Wayne, I'm curious of yours.

486
00:25:21.480 --> 00:25:23.119
Well, I'm not sure I want to say my now,

487
00:25:23.200 --> 00:25:28.960
because I wanted to be Lawn, oh God, but for

488
00:25:29.000 --> 00:25:33.920
different reasons. Okay, It's just that it's you know, ever

489
00:25:34.000 --> 00:25:36.720
since you know, I was a kid and I started

490
00:25:36.759 --> 00:25:38.839
watching The Next Generation, I thought it would be so

491
00:25:39.079 --> 00:25:43.240
fascinating to actually be in a holidack. I mean, can

492
00:25:43.279 --> 00:25:45.759
you imagine, you know, being able to recreate anything that

493
00:25:45.799 --> 00:25:50.160
you want and any adventure you want. And and Lon

494
00:25:50.440 --> 00:25:53.799
had the chance of testing the very first one or

495
00:25:53.799 --> 00:25:58.319
one of the earliest prototypes, And I mean, can you

496
00:25:58.400 --> 00:26:01.079
imagine what was going through her mind and what she

497
00:26:01.200 --> 00:26:04.400
was thinking of the potential for this despite all the

498
00:26:04.400 --> 00:26:07.079
troubles that it causes. We've seen a lot of trouble

499
00:26:07.119 --> 00:26:09.720
over the years that that stupid thing can cause and

500
00:26:09.720 --> 00:26:12.279
getting good go wrong. But I'm pretty sure she enjoyed

501
00:26:12.279 --> 00:26:14.680
her time doing this. She looked like she did, and

502
00:26:14.720 --> 00:26:16.440
I would have too. So I'm gonna choose her.

503
00:26:16.680 --> 00:26:17.519
That's a good choice.

504
00:26:18.079 --> 00:26:22.279
Cool. All right, Now, let's dive deep into the episode

505
00:26:22.319 --> 00:26:24.200
and see if we can pull out any Easter eggs,

506
00:26:24.200 --> 00:26:25.319
and I'll let you to go first.

507
00:26:25.720 --> 00:26:29.680
Did you find anything, Well, the one that really yeah,

508
00:26:29.759 --> 00:26:30.599
the one that really.

509
00:26:30.880 --> 00:26:33.119
You know, the obvious ones, yeah, But.

510
00:26:33.079 --> 00:26:34.400
The one that really stood up to me, that made

511
00:26:34.440 --> 00:26:37.720
me giggle was when Ortegas was playing Leewoods. Is he

512
00:26:37.960 --> 00:26:40.519
you know, I'm an actor, not a doctor, right, which

513
00:26:40.599 --> 00:26:42.599
obviously with a nod to McCoy and I thought that

514
00:26:42.680 --> 00:26:43.640
was perfect.

515
00:26:43.640 --> 00:26:46.640
Yeah for me.

516
00:26:47.640 --> 00:26:52.160
Aside from what we've already mentioned, I like the the

517
00:26:52.200 --> 00:26:55.039
meta nature of having the bloopers at the end, yes,

518
00:26:55.680 --> 00:27:01.160
replicating the original series bloopers, but specifically the doors not working. Yes,

519
00:27:02.039 --> 00:27:04.880
I feel like that's a that's a great nod Wayne.

520
00:27:04.559 --> 00:27:05.200
What about you?

521
00:27:05.400 --> 00:27:08.160
And that that shot, the final shot, it was just

522
00:27:08.200 --> 00:27:11.640
a straightforward shot of at Paul Wesley Kirk reminded me

523
00:27:11.680 --> 00:27:14.160
of that shot at the end of all the end

524
00:27:14.160 --> 00:27:17.359
credits of that alien where it was it was framed

525
00:27:17.400 --> 00:27:19.759
like that. But there were I mean, the whole episode

526
00:27:19.799 --> 00:27:22.799
was just full of Easter eggs, so and many of

527
00:27:22.839 --> 00:27:25.480
them are obviously they're they're very obvious. So but I

528
00:27:25.559 --> 00:27:27.000
went through and try to see if I can find

529
00:27:27.000 --> 00:27:30.359
a few easter eggs that maybe you didn't guys, you

530
00:27:30.400 --> 00:27:33.920
didn't notice. But first let me let me state that,

531
00:27:34.519 --> 00:27:37.559
as I mentioned before, a version of the holiday called

532
00:27:37.559 --> 00:27:40.839
the Recreation Room appeared in the the animated series. The

533
00:27:40.880 --> 00:27:45.160
episode was called The Practical Joker. Now, I don't know

534
00:27:45.200 --> 00:27:46.880
if you guys noticed, but the scenes from the Last

535
00:27:46.880 --> 00:27:50.759
Frontier used a lot of original series sound effects, and

536
00:27:51.559 --> 00:27:54.279
I mean there were there were some some great effects there,

537
00:27:54.680 --> 00:27:58.279
and of course that similar sounding theme song. The device

538
00:27:58.359 --> 00:28:01.720
that Lon wears on her neck that allows the Holidak

539
00:28:01.759 --> 00:28:06.240
programming to scan her was very similar to the cortical

540
00:28:06.279 --> 00:28:09.119
monitor that was used very often in Star Trek Voyager

541
00:28:09.119 --> 00:28:11.799
that they would use to monitor everybody's life signs. Now,

542
00:28:12.359 --> 00:28:14.319
this one I had to look a couple of times.

543
00:28:14.359 --> 00:28:16.000
I had to think about this one. But Spock mentions

544
00:28:16.079 --> 00:28:20.480
that Sir Arthur Conan Doyle as his ancestor. That threw me,

545
00:28:20.839 --> 00:28:23.839
But then I remembered in Star Trek's six The Undiscovered Country,

546
00:28:23.920 --> 00:28:28.160
Spock says that an ancestor of his said that if

547
00:28:28.200 --> 00:28:31.920
you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains. However, improbable must be

548
00:28:32.000 --> 00:28:34.240
the truth. Of course, that's a quote from Doyle's book

549
00:28:34.279 --> 00:28:36.920
The Sign of Four So Robald of the writers for

550
00:28:36.960 --> 00:28:39.519
adding that and keeping that little cup bit of continuity

551
00:28:40.319 --> 00:28:43.160
now here is one that I don't think very big

552
00:28:43.160 --> 00:28:45.720
people got. It took me a couple of views, but

553
00:28:46.200 --> 00:28:49.799
one scene in the Holidack there were various movie posters

554
00:28:50.079 --> 00:28:54.359
hanging on the wall, including a Western called down in Deadwood.

555
00:28:54.880 --> 00:28:58.200
Deadwood was the fictional Western town that Wharf and Alexander

556
00:28:58.279 --> 00:29:02.839
visited during their holiday venture. A fiscal of Data's it's

557
00:29:02.920 --> 00:29:06.920
neat that they added these little tidbit easter eggs from

558
00:29:07.119 --> 00:29:13.440
past Holodeck adventures, and the last one, Scotty states that

559
00:29:13.519 --> 00:29:17.519
holid X would require a dedicated server room and power

560
00:29:17.599 --> 00:29:20.480
source that is separate from the rest of the starship's operations.

561
00:29:21.000 --> 00:29:24.920
I'm glad he said that because that was always an

562
00:29:25.000 --> 00:29:29.599
issue and a problem during Star Trek Voyager, where the

563
00:29:29.640 --> 00:29:31.880
ship's powered and completely go out, but the holodics were

564
00:29:31.920 --> 00:29:35.160
still working. So they finally, after all this time, put

565
00:29:35.200 --> 00:29:38.160
an explanation as to what the hell's going on there?

566
00:29:40.200 --> 00:29:40.759
Did you see?

567
00:29:40.880 --> 00:29:44.519
Jonathan Frakes made it into the episode his voice anyway,

568
00:29:44.920 --> 00:29:47.119
At the blue at the end of the Bluebirds. That

569
00:29:47.160 --> 00:29:51.559
was him calling out the corrections and shipship instructions to

570
00:29:51.640 --> 00:29:53.920
become That was awesome.

571
00:29:54.359 --> 00:29:54.799
That's cool.

572
00:29:55.759 --> 00:29:58.839
Yep, and anything else you'd like to add on this

573
00:29:58.880 --> 00:29:59.680
week's episode.

574
00:30:00.599 --> 00:30:03.880
No, sir, no, I congratulate them from taking a big

575
00:30:03.920 --> 00:30:05.839
swing on this one, and I think it was I

576
00:30:05.960 --> 00:30:07.000
think it was spot on.

577
00:30:07.920 --> 00:30:09.960
Yeah, I mean, I got to give them a lot

578
00:30:09.960 --> 00:30:14.519
of credit for trying something again, trying something different. I'm

579
00:30:14.559 --> 00:30:15.680
with you, David. Thank god.

580
00:30:15.680 --> 00:30:19.079
There was no singing, no repping clean thank god.

581
00:30:19.680 --> 00:30:21.720
Hey we went back to under the Cherry Moon. We're

582
00:30:21.720 --> 00:30:22.559
going back to that one.

583
00:30:22.720 --> 00:30:23.400
No, no, we're not.

584
00:30:23.680 --> 00:30:27.119
Yea, but this this is the I think this is

585
00:30:27.119 --> 00:30:31.480
the season's odd episode. We've already got a taste of

586
00:30:31.519 --> 00:30:35.759
next year's odd episode. Let me see it.

587
00:30:36.839 --> 00:30:37.039
You know.

588
00:30:37.079 --> 00:30:40.079
I really wish they would show clips for next week's episode.

589
00:30:40.079 --> 00:30:42.039
We could talk a little bit about it, but they're

590
00:30:42.039 --> 00:30:44.279
not doing that this season, so we have no idea

591
00:30:44.359 --> 00:30:46.960
what's coming next for any of the crew.

592
00:30:47.359 --> 00:30:49.640
I'm interested about that because it's called Through the Lens

593
00:30:49.680 --> 00:30:54.039
of Time, So I'm glad they're not giving us any

594
00:30:54.039 --> 00:30:56.359
spoilers with like trailers because it leaves it to a

595
00:30:56.400 --> 00:30:58.480
surprise to us because it makes me feel like they're

596
00:30:58.480 --> 00:31:01.119
trying to keep something hidden from less that they don't

597
00:31:01.119 --> 00:31:02.880
want us to see until the episode happens.

598
00:31:03.079 --> 00:31:04.640
So I kind of like that, to be honest with you.

599
00:31:05.200 --> 00:31:07.559
Yeah, And it leads a lot of speculation to the

600
00:31:07.880 --> 00:31:09.000
title of the episodes.

601
00:31:10.359 --> 00:31:10.799
I don't know.

602
00:31:11.319 --> 00:31:15.279
I don't know, but I have some suspicions. We'll just

603
00:31:15.319 --> 00:31:16.920
have to wait until next week to see.

604
00:31:17.319 --> 00:31:20.039
Well that puts us halfway through the season too, doesn't know, Yep,

605
00:31:20.400 --> 00:31:21.000
it does.

606
00:31:21.519 --> 00:31:24.799
Well, man, It's it's also kind of interesting just to

607
00:31:24.839 --> 00:31:28.359
speculate for a second that the last time that anything

608
00:31:28.400 --> 00:31:32.400
regarding time or time travel came up was when La

609
00:31:33.039 --> 00:31:36.720
went back and sparked the romance with Kirk. Kind of

610
00:31:36.759 --> 00:31:39.960
interesting that now she seems to be on the Spock train,

611
00:31:40.839 --> 00:31:43.720
So could there be some kind of aspect of that.

612
00:31:43.839 --> 00:31:47.559
Could there be Kirk coming back and it's some kind

613
00:31:47.559 --> 00:31:48.559
of conflict there. I don't know.

614
00:31:49.000 --> 00:31:51.839
I didn't think about that. That is a possibility that

615
00:31:51.920 --> 00:31:54.400
could be part the storylines coming up.

616
00:31:54.759 --> 00:31:56.839
The interesting And.

617
00:31:56.759 --> 00:31:59.279
That's it for this week's episode of Phasers. Set to

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Stunts look at Star Trek Strange New worlds. We'd like

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to open a channel to our listeners and hear just

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629
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another fascinating discussion.

630
00:32:34.400 --> 00:32:36.200
Yeah, likewise, thank you appreciate it.

631
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As you stated, The next episode is titled Through the

632
00:32:39.440 --> 00:32:41.680
Lens of Time, which is the fifth episode of the

633
00:32:41.680 --> 00:32:44.640
season and the halfway point for not only this year,

634
00:32:44.640 --> 00:32:48.119
but the entire series. We look forward to returning to

635
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the twenty second century and the bridge of the Starship

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Enterprise next week on Phasers Set to stun