June 10, 2025

Phasers Set To Stun: Star Trek (2009)

Phasers Set To Stun: Star Trek (2009)
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Season 6 Phasers Set To Stun

On "Phasers Set To Stun," we recognize the popularity of all things Star Trek, with a look at television shows, animation, movies, and much more! On this episode, Wayne, David, and Scott head into the Kelvin Timeline to discuss J.J. Abrams' successful 2009 relaunch of Star Trek on the big screen! 

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Space the final Frontier. Join us for a bold conversation

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our prime directive to recap our favorite Star Trek shows,

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both new and old, to engage in debate about all

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things Trek. Prepare to energize with Phasers Set to Stunt.

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Hello everyone, and welcome back to Phasers Set to Stun.

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In this ongoing series from a film by podcast, we

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continue to show our love for every quadrant of the

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expanding Star Trek universe by covering television, animation, movies, directors,

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and much more. Plotting the course, as always is your

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core Trek crew. I'm Scott Hoffman.

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I'm David Burns, and I'm Wayne Whiten.

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And in this episode, we're exploring a new frontier in

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the cinematic universe with a two thousand and nine almost

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to reboot entry into the franchise. JJ Abrams Star Trek

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released on May eight, two thousand and nine, rated PG

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thirteen for language, violence and I Guess One Sexual Situation

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written by Alex Kurtman and Robert Orsi, directed by JJ Abrams.

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Although this movie has been out for a while, there's

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still maybe some who haven't given it a try, So

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red Alert we're venturing into spoiler territory. So if you

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haven't seen this film, please go watch and come back

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to join us. All right, crew, let's put on our sunglasses.

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It's time for lens players on captain's chairs. I'm so

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glad we're getting into this movie because I've personally seen

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this countless times since it's been out. It seems almost

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fitting that we're talking about a movie that infused some

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fresh blood and vision into the Trek universe, especially since

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we're all excited to see the latest fresh vision come

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by as we get ready for the latest season of

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Strange New Worlds. All right, Wayne, let's break it down.

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Why don't you give us a summary of what this

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movie is all about.

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In the year twenty two thirty three, the USS Kelvin

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is investigating a mysterious lightning storm when the Romulin ship

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Nearrata appears and destroys them. The Narata's captain, the Romulin

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name Nero, has traveled from a future where his home planet,

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a Romulus, has been destroyed by a supernova and is

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bent on revenge against the Federation who refused them the

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help they needed. Twenty two years later, Nero reappears, but

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this time Starfleet is prepared and has sent their newest ship,

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the USS Enterprise, to intercept it, Commanded by Captain Christopher

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Pike and ran by a fresh from the Academy crew

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including Cadets Kirk, Spock, and McCoy. They are all that

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stands in Nero's way of total destruction of Vulcan Earth

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and the entire United Federation of Planets.

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And he yells a lot, and yells a lot. He

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likes to yell a lot of time. Thanks, Wayne. We've

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spent a lot of time between modern Trek and Classic Trek,

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and this obviously falls somewhere in between. So, Dave, I'm curious,

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what were your first thoughts on this movie.

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So here's an interesting thing.

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So we know that Star Trek was pretty much dead

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before this movie came out, right, there wasn't much going

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on in the nothing Yeah, you know, so Paramount needed

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something new and fresh, you know, basically they need to

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start over that would revitalize and generate a new audience

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yet still bring back, you know, those who love Star

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Trek like us, you know, and they they did it.

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They and JJ Abrams did that very thing with this film.

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I remember going to see this on opening weekend with

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some coworkers who were not Star Trek fans at all,

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and they walked out of that theater blown away on

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how much they love this film, you know, and not

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only this, but we got we gotta consider something here too.

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We get two more films after this. Granneth was not

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really that, but we'll get there eventually. But you know,

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this brings back to television theory for us. We wouldn't

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have Discovery, Strange, New World, Lower Decks, even Picard for

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crying out loud if we didn't have the success of

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this very film. So I'm glad it was very successful.

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But I loved this movie.

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I really did. Wayne, what about you, Well, just like David,

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I saw it on opening night. I actually went with

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my mother and saw it. I was kind of torn

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because it was a good film. It was a good film,

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I have to admit that, and I enjoyed it, but

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it didn't feel like Star Trek to me at the time.

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But I also understood that this is the film that

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we need at the time because Star Trek was dead

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and there had to be some way of bringing it back,

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and this was exactly it. So it's and to this day,

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I still a little conflicted about this first one. It's

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a damn good film and I really do enjoy it,

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but it at times doesn't feel like Star Trek to me.

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The specs that didn't quite feel like Trek.

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The action, Okay, yeah, I think that was That was it.

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It was it was too good. That's the best way

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to say it was. It was too It was too

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well directed and there was there was a lot of

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action and it was all well done. It didn't feel

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like Star Trek because of that. Now, you know, that's

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not like me putting down the rest of the Star Trek.

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It's not. This is them going on a bold new

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direction for the franchise, which was really really needed. It

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needed new blood into it, It needed, you know, new

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ideas so that people would come and watch Star Trek

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again because it had faded to nothing back what was

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the two thousand and five was the last time we

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saw anything Star Trek. So, I mean I understood everything

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that was being done, and I think it was a

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complete success and a great film. But it conflicts me

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in my head whether I like it or not, I

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don't know the answer to it.

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You hit the nail on the head there, because that

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was the conversation the producers were having about this film

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when they were first creating it. You know, they actually

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cut down a lot a lot of the technical babble

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all that kind of stuff, put more action into the film,

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and narrowed it down just calling it Star Trek because

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they didn't.

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Want people who don't really know everything.

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That comes before this to get confused by it, that

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think they had to see all of that to see

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this movie. So I see what you're saying. There's two

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sides of the sword here. It did have a lot

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of action that felt kind of out of place, but

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to me, I felt Star Trek was missing some of

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that in the past, but they added in this one

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again the lins, flares and stuff I could have done without.

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For crying out loud.

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But beyond that, you're right, it was incredibly well directed

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by J. J.

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Abrams. It really is. The casting was perfect in my opinion.

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I know we're going to get to that in a

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little bit, so I don't want to, you know, talk

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about all of that, but this is what they needed

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for Star Trek, for a new audience to make it successful,

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and it worked.

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Yeah, I think a lot of the conflict with me

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at the time, this is just at the time was

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the recasting, you know, I guess I felt a little

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bit the way Star Trek fans felt back in nineteen

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eighty seven when the next generation appeared. You know, who

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are these guys on screen? And why are they playing

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my favorite characters? You know? Was I ready to accept them? Now?

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Today I do, I totally accept them. But this was

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the first time that we've had any major recasts like this,

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and I'm going to go on record right now and

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say that I think the cast did a phenomenal job

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of recreating all the parts of all of them. They were,

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They were great. It was hard at the time, but

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I look back now and I think they did a

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great job. I'm specifically looking at you, Carl Urban could

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holy shit.

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Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean I'm I'm more in

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camp Dave, I think because there is no conflict, like

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I've watched this movie so many times. I know that

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I saw it early in the theater. I don't know

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if it was quite opening day, but I know it

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was very early, and as soon as I had seen

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it in the theater, I knew I wanted to own it.

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And I've watched it on repeat. It is just so

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well done. There are times when I have to look

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away from the camera or the screen because of the

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ballins players, which I think are interesting, but a little

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that they can do see at times. But the writing,

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the acting, the action where this kind of falls into

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like how it falls into the universe was all very

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very well done, very clever. I thought. The camera holds

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up really really well. Yeah, it does.

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It holds up extremely well, even the camera movements of

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throughout this film, especially when the movie opens. I mean,

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for one thing, this is probably the best opening of

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any Star Trek film in my opinion. It really is,

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And I know that's saying a lot, but it really

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is because it pulls you in so fast and it

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does not give you a moment to breathe until you know,

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you see the escase pose, it goes to the music

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and you get the Star Trek title coming up. But

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that that opening shot where you hear that that whatever

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that sound is the original Star Trek sound of that?

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What would you call that when when the camera opens

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up on the ship and the camera's just twisting around

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and you just hear that that Dean oh like, yeah, yeah,

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that'd be the beacon sound, because that was just it

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was just so good and just pulls you in so quick,

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and just that camera on how just twists and turns,

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and he did that several times throughout this film that

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were greatly used well.

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And it's amazing proof of concept too, right to say,

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it is a time when we need some new viewers.

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It is a time when we need some new perspective

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so we can prove that big Hollywood cast, big Hollywood

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director can can really kind of bring something new to

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the franchise and open up the door to say there's

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different ways to see Trek. And I think it's absolutely

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something that opens the door for discovery, Picard and strange

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new worlds and lower decks to say, it doesn't have

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to operate within a specific kind of formula. I think

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it's something that's very accessible to new people with just

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a couple of sentences versus something like Undiscovered Country that

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we were just talking about recently, would take a bit

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more versus this is we're in our universe, this is

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Earth's future. The main characters you need to know about

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are Kirk Spock, McCoy, o'hura, Scottie Bones, going down kind

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of a short list and their individual roles and then

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just let somebody watch it and discover it and they'll

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get it without a lot of explanation, which I think

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is really important. I do want to talk about. This

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is a much younger cast than we're used to seeing,

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and I thought it was really refreshing. Would you just

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say this is a good intro to the franchise if

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you're going to kind of start somebody on Star Trek.

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For a modern audience, Yes, yeah.

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It's at least a sampling right to see if they

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if they like it or if there doesn't. Isn't necessarily

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a lot of investment that has to go into it

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for the in order for them to enjoy it. Heading

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up this younger cast, we've got Chris Pine as Jim Kirk.

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I think he fit really really well into this with

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just the right amount of attitude and cocky. I'd love

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to seeing him kind of develop in this in this role,

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it's pretty.

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Fair, Yeah, I would. I think he had the best

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character arc of the whole film in my opinion.

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Yeah. Well, and going all the way back to the

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day he was born, I think his dad, so to speak,

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Chris Hemsworth in his debut role right, yeah, before he

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was thor or anything, else as George Kirk and his

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mom would Know a Kirk played by Jennifer Morrison. H

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That initial sequence blew me away.

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Oh absolutely did I love that opening?

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Yeah, as a dad. It hits the right emotional chords

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at the right times and gives him kind of an

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interesting arc or kind of an interesting reputation to live

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up to. And I think that helps Tom, you know,

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give people more of a gateweit understanding him. We've also

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got running out the rest of the cast. I'll mention

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of Yes. Yes, he apparently didn't even audition for the role.

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He just got an email from j. J Abrams asking

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if you'd like to do it, and he said apparently

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JJ to do it if he had not been off.

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He he dives in and does such an amazing job

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Would absolutely I love Simon Pegg. I mean, he's he's

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one of the few people who have done the in

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my opinion, the trio of great sci fi series, you know,

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Star Wars, Star Trek, and Doctor Who. He's done all

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four three of them. I love his work.

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Yeah, and spaced I still have to watch Space.

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That's good.

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What are some other standouts of the cast for you to.

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Oh, come on, I mean, we got to talk about

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Carl urban I mentioned him earlier. I'm telling you he

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really took on the role of Bones, and I swear

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to god, Deforce Kelly was inside him when he was

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performing that scene when he gets onto the shuttle and

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meets Kirk for the first time. His mannerisms, his facial expressions,

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his dialogue, everything was absolutely dead on to Forest Kelly,

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like even his his his voice, Like I swore it

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was Deforce Kelly. He was doing such an incredible drop.

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It felt like he watched everything Toforce Kelly did over

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the years and just duplicated that in his performance but

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still made it his own and it was just so

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damn good.

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He is the one that blew me away. I mean,

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the whole cast is phenomenal, do not get me wrong,

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But Carl Urban Man, did he just blow me out

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of the water with his performance.

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Well, here's another one of those examples of how they

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reset the template for all these characters, what while staying

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true to them, like we've seen in the Strange New Worlds,

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We've seen Scottie. We've seen Kirk. We have yet to

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see Bones, but I'm pretty sure they're gonna take some

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cues from Carl Urban in this with wherever it goes? Wayne,

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what about you who stands out?

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Oh well, I agree with Carl Urban. Let me but

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let me bring up Zach Frequent because he had a

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lot to you know, stand go up against Leonard Nimoy

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was such an incredible performance. I mean, he was Spock

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and he's also in the film as well, and that's

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a lot to live up to and a lot of

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expectation from the fans. I think he did an incredible job,

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you know, as Spock. Him and Carl Urban, I can

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see them, you know, it's a recast, but I can

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see them as Spock in Bones, you know, more than

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any of the other cast. And I think all of

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them were fantastic, but those two they, like you said,

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it's like they had the spirit of the actors from

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before in they knew exactly what the job was and

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they were perfect at it. I agree.

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done so much more to give that character more emotional

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range and depth. I think there's a lot of what

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we see in strange new worlds, not to take from

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what we're seeing with the new interpretations, but knowing that

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they can get into that a little bit more of

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the emotional conflict within Spock.

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Taking on a role so iconic that is Spock. People

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who are not even into start right now, who freaking

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Spock is?

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Okay, they do. And for Zachary Quinto.

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To take on a role that Lynn Nimoy has done

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for many, many years and has perfected it over those years,

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really had to make him feel like, holy crap, I

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need to do a phenomenal job on screen because of

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who I am portraying here. If I don't, I'm going

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to get crucified. Yeah he would have too, Yeah, and

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he would have You're right, But he did a phenomenal job.

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He knocked it out of the damn park as Spock.

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He did.

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Yeah, And I mean, considering he has Leonard Nimoy is

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Spock prime, I guess right there with him in such

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a supporting role. I love the fact that they incorporated

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that into the story to make sure that there was

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a little bit of that continuity. Somebody kind of passed

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the torch onto him, and I think it was handled

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really really well.

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I'm glad they did that too, because it would have

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been really hard for US Star Trek fans, our long

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time Star Trek fans, to accept this film if it

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was rewriting everything that happened before, if they were if

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Java Abrams had decided, you know, I'm going to undo

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everything and let's say the next generation Space nine Voyager

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and all of it never took place, that would have

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that would have taken the fandom. He probably would have

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been massacred. But by including that little bit there, and

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by including the fact that this is more of an

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alternate universe, an alternate take that was that was exactly

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what was needed to make everybody happy. It made me happy.

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I'm so glad that you know, you can watch this,

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you can watch these three films and accept it alongside

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the what they call now the prime universe.

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Well, I think it was a great idea to give

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it kind of a back to the future type of

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alternate reality as well, that it wasn't just a parallel universe,

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but it was a branch that still has roots in

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the standard canon. I think that was absolutely essential and

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a really really smart move.

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So Spot comes from what a few years after Nemesis.

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Is that correct? Somewhere after that is when he comes

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back into this time. Yeah, I'm not sure exactly what

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the year is, but it's definitely long after Unification. Actually,

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I take that back. I do know what year it was,

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twenty years before about twenty you have twenty years after Nemesis.

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I think.

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Okay, yeah, that makes sense.

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Yeah, there was a I think it's in canon, the

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tian Coge Star Trek Countdown. Yeah, establish a bunch of

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things in the timeline. Apparently it's years after Nemesis.

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I'm not sure how long long after Nemesis. I can't

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remember how long after Nemesis was struture card was that

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twenty years? Maybe it's been a while I've seen it him.

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I think it's twenty years, which sounds about right. Yeah,

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so this would be probably not twenty years that excuse me,

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not twenty years afternomists, probably about five years after theymsist. Then, Okay,

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that sounds more appropriate. Yeah.

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So now I'm trying to Now I'm trying to kind

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of connect the dots and think about when Marty goes

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back to the Twin Pines Mall, so to speak, in Picard,

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was Robulus destroyed.

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Yes, the events of this film were mentioned and went

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right alongside Star Trek the card. Interesting, the events of

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Romulus destroyed, not the events of the Kirk Spockoy staff, right.

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Right, right, right, Well, I had read about the so

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in Star Trek Countdown we learned that Jordan of the

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Forge helped design the Jellyfish, the ship that Spuck is.

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Oh that's right, yeah in the comic, Yes, yeah, that's right. Yeah.

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And apparently the Narrata ship is using stolen board technology,

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which is how I was able to have the ability

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to regenerate as it acquires damage or whatever it is.

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So it's just interesting they kind of have that parallel

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but that fits neatly into the main timeline, so that

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we know it does.

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Yeah, because I'm going to my film facts thing real

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quick to mention one that's yeah. Nero's statement that the

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Federation had done nothing for Romulus when it was destroyed

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by the Superno nova that was expanded in the first

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episode of Startup a Card, the episode of Remembrance, where

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Picard it mentions of the Federation had initially agreed to

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mount a large scale evacuation to help with the Romulans

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being threatened by the Supernova, but the Federation deliberately chose

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to abandon it because of the uprising on Mars with

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the Androids.

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Interesting, Okay, wait to start talking about the card.

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But we'll get there.

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Eventually, we'll get there.

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We'll get you know. It's it's great that this is

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all being wrapped in. Even though it's an ultra universe,

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it does connect to everything. I mean, we even have

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mentions to it. And they named it in Star Trek Discovery.

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Yeah, that's true. A few other more than noteworthy cast

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members here. We were recently talking about hero with women

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women in emotion, and Zoe's Aldana does an outstanding job

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as an and she has such a pivotal role in

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this and I'm very, very glad that they wrote it

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in that way. Oh yeah, obviously it opens the door

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for strange new worlds. But the way that her communications role,

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the way that her translations are so pivotal to this,

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and we see that expand a lot more in the

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rest of the Kelvin movies. Of course, we have to

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mention John Chow as Sulu. Obviously, we have Anton Yelkin

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Rest in Peace as Chekhov. They both did a great job.

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It's a great entry into those characters. And we've got

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a lot of other big names in here. Not to

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mention Onoda Writer as Nana Grayson, very very smart casting.

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There, small role, but very powerful one.

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Along with the big names, we've got Eric Bana as

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Nero with all his yelling glory.

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Doesn't even look like him, does not even look like him.

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I enjoy his anger in this one a lot more

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than Hulk obviously, Yeah, but I think he had an

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outstanding performance. The one standout role for me in this

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is Bruce Greenwood as This is one of the pieces

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of this movie that makes it such a great movie

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in my opinion, his his performance gives so much more

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to Pike. I think it opens up obviously the newest

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character iteration, but it does so much more for this

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character that originally in the in the Og series didn't

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have that much of a spotlight, and they made him

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so much we did, and I love it.

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On One of the best lines in this film came

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from him when he was in the bar with Kirk

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after they had the fight, and he says, your father

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was a captain of the ship for twelve minutes. He

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saved many people, including your mother and yours I dare

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you to do better with a phenomenal line and just

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hit home. It really did it.

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Ghostbumps man goosebumps. Every single time me I think about

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that line. It is so well done. Yeah, oh god,

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and it gets him moving. I just I love it.

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So thank you Bruce Breenwood for forgiving his pipe. That's right,

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all right, let's take a little bit of a break.

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When we come back, we'll get into some behind the

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scenes stuff. And we're back. We're talking about the two

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thousand and nine JJ Abrams Star Trek guys. Let's talk

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about some behind the scenes tidbits. Just to start us off,

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I'll talk about the numbers. Their budget was around one

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hundred and fifty million, which is more than ten times

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the budget of the entire original series in nineteen sixty six.

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It certainly made it back. The gross in the US

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and Canada was more than two hundred and fifty seven million,

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made more than seventy five million in the opening weekend,

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and the overall worldwide gross is three hundred and eighty

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five million.

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So the first Star Trek film, Yeah.

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It did what it was supposed to do.

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Yeah, Like I said, Paramount got a grand slam out

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of this one, and this is what gave birth back

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to Star Trek.

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Yes, yep.

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It also got the Academy Award for the first time,

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brought the Oscar into the House of Star Trek for

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a Best Achievement, and makeup several other nominations, which made

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it the most for the series, tied with A Voyage Home.

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I was surprised to see that it was the first

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in the series nominated for Best Visual Effects. I don't

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know how you can't have that with Star Trek.

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But that is surprising. But the visual effects in this

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film were just enomen.

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It holds up.

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Yeah, I think this was this not the first time

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in Deferal Light Magic everything was digital. It is, yeah, yeah, so,

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and they did a phenomenal job with that, because I mean,

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don't get me wrong, I love models, do not get

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me wrong, But in this one, man, it just man, they.

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Just did such an incredible job.

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Granted, technology had gotten to the point that you could

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do a much better job, but just some of the

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things they did in this film, just again, I'm gonna

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use the phrase mind blowing because it was.

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Its Yeah yeah, and it stands the test of time.

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Like I've I've watched this countless numbers of times, and

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I don't know of any place where there's anything that

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seems dated or old fashioned. I love it. I think

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in terms of acting, there's a lot to be said

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for how much they kind of how much reverence they

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had for Star Trek as much as they were making

471
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it something new. There's a lot of respect for the past. Yes,

472
00:26:07.119 --> 00:26:09.319
particularly with moy coming back.

473
00:26:10.039 --> 00:26:10.400
Mm hmm.

474
00:26:11.000 --> 00:26:15.000
Right. I'd read that Robert Orsey and Kurtsman and Abrams

475
00:26:16.000 --> 00:26:19.799
went to his house to ask him to come back

476
00:26:19.839 --> 00:26:24.839
on board, and they basically said, we can't make this

477
00:26:24.880 --> 00:26:28.240
film without you, and we won't make this film without you,

478
00:26:29.200 --> 00:26:33.240
and the case they had presented to him overwhelmed him

479
00:26:33.480 --> 00:26:35.559
and brought him back when he thought he would never

480
00:26:35.599 --> 00:26:37.039
come back before. Is that right?

481
00:26:37.599 --> 00:26:38.240
Yes? Correct?

482
00:26:38.440 --> 00:26:42.279
And it's it's perfect, it is. I mean, it's really

483
00:26:42.319 --> 00:26:45.480
is a love letter to Spock here, Yeah, in giving

484
00:26:45.559 --> 00:26:47.920
him all the credit that's due, and I love it

485
00:26:47.960 --> 00:26:49.680
in some of his lines that he has throughout this

486
00:26:49.720 --> 00:26:53.680
film of giving nods back to his Kirk was just

487
00:26:53.920 --> 00:26:57.440
so well done. I'm very respective of you know, spocks

488
00:26:57.480 --> 00:27:01.119
relationship with Kirk, which helps the Kirk in this realize

489
00:27:02.039 --> 00:27:04.519
what he needs to do, and it helps him grow

490
00:27:04.599 --> 00:27:06.440
up a little bit and forces him to become that

491
00:27:06.480 --> 00:27:07.799
captain that he becomes.

492
00:27:08.160 --> 00:27:10.440
Yeah, so without that, none of this would have worked

493
00:27:10.480 --> 00:27:11.480
without Lennar Nimoy.

494
00:27:11.599 --> 00:27:14.039
So thankfully they went and talked him into doing and

495
00:27:14.039 --> 00:27:14.920
he decided to do it.

496
00:27:15.440 --> 00:27:17.759
Yeah. One of my favorite things that I learned about

497
00:27:17.799 --> 00:27:23.039
this was the the last line that Nimoy says, Thruster's

498
00:27:23.079 --> 00:27:28.200
on full was improvised. It's a it's a great segue

499
00:27:28.559 --> 00:27:32.000
right back to the bridge when we see them move on,

500
00:27:32.200 --> 00:27:36.200
kind of you know, zooming into the future. But knowing

501
00:27:36.200 --> 00:27:38.400
that he had said that with the intention of kind

502
00:27:38.480 --> 00:27:42.680
of saying like you've got this, Yeah, like we're in

503
00:27:42.720 --> 00:27:46.440
good hands, please move it forward. That you don't. You

504
00:27:46.440 --> 00:27:47.799
don't get a better endorsement than that.

505
00:27:48.319 --> 00:27:50.519
H Yeah, I know, I know.

506
00:27:50.559 --> 00:27:54.000
They were talking about bringing Michelle to I think she

507
00:27:54.079 --> 00:27:56.680
was going to play with her grandmother in a scene.

508
00:27:57.359 --> 00:27:58.920
As much as I would have loved to have seen

509
00:27:58.960 --> 00:28:00.920
her in this, I think that would have crammed it

510
00:28:00.960 --> 00:28:01.440
too much.

511
00:28:02.000 --> 00:28:02.240
Yeah.

512
00:28:02.480 --> 00:28:05.720
I feel like Lennard Nimoy was all we needed for

513
00:28:05.759 --> 00:28:07.279
the film, and it is and that's why it works

514
00:28:07.279 --> 00:28:07.559
so well.

515
00:28:07.559 --> 00:28:08.079
Do you not get wrong.

516
00:28:08.119 --> 00:28:10.200
I would love to see Michelle again as a horror

517
00:28:10.279 --> 00:28:11.640
or not as a horror, but you know, in a

518
00:28:11.640 --> 00:28:14.680
Star Trek as horrors grandmother. But I'm kind of glad

519
00:28:14.720 --> 00:28:16.440
they didn't go that route, to be honest with.

520
00:28:16.400 --> 00:28:19.000
You, that was actually they had planned and they were

521
00:28:19.079 --> 00:28:20.839
going to do that. The only reason they didn't do

522
00:28:20.880 --> 00:28:24.440
that is because of the two thousand and seven seven

523
00:28:24.559 --> 00:28:29.279
writers strike. They wanted to write it, but they couldn't,

524
00:28:29.720 --> 00:28:32.599
so they ended up having to drop that. Shatner was

525
00:28:32.599 --> 00:28:36.400
also going. They wanted Shatner back too. You know, they

526
00:28:36.440 --> 00:28:39.799
had plans for him to have a to be shown,

527
00:28:39.839 --> 00:28:44.200
like as a recorded message that Spock would have showed

528
00:28:44.240 --> 00:28:48.000
the younger Spock. But of course, you know Shatner, he

529
00:28:48.079 --> 00:28:51.160
wasn't keen on the idea of just like a cameo appearance.

530
00:28:51.160 --> 00:28:53.960
He wanted more of a substantial war like Leonard Nimoy,

531
00:28:54.799 --> 00:28:57.200
so they dropped that that idea too.

532
00:28:57.519 --> 00:29:00.599
I kind of feel like if we had Michelle back,

533
00:29:01.240 --> 00:29:04.920
it may have been confusing to some viewers because they

534
00:29:04.960 --> 00:29:08.559
would have expected that that's their Ahura and that this

535
00:29:08.640 --> 00:29:13.359
is somehow the granddaughter of the Ohura prime or whatever.

536
00:29:13.519 --> 00:29:16.000
So I'm glad they didn't do that, but I was

537
00:29:16.640 --> 00:29:20.359
glad to hear that Michelle and Zoe had worked together

538
00:29:20.880 --> 00:29:24.319
so closely on that role. And again it seems like

539
00:29:24.319 --> 00:29:27.839
an endorsement of somebody kind of passing the torch to

540
00:29:27.920 --> 00:29:34.279
that next generation. Simon Pegg, true to form, wanted to

541
00:29:34.279 --> 00:29:36.440
make sure he was doing it right. I had also

542
00:29:36.480 --> 00:29:41.720
heard that he worked with his wife on his Marene

543
00:29:41.759 --> 00:29:45.680
peg on his accent, and he had gotten so specific.

544
00:29:47.240 --> 00:29:49.559
So his wife is from Glasgow and he knew that

545
00:29:49.559 --> 00:29:52.519
Scotty was from a different part of Scotland and wanted

546
00:29:52.519 --> 00:29:54.279
to bring more of the appropriate kind of sound to

547
00:29:54.319 --> 00:29:57.559
his accent. So it's kind of a mix of both

548
00:29:57.599 --> 00:30:01.519
accents that he brought into it, which I wouldn't know

549
00:30:01.559 --> 00:30:06.960
the difference myself, but that he knew the investment that

550
00:30:07.079 --> 00:30:10.400
was needed to bring this full circle. I love hearing

551
00:30:10.440 --> 00:30:10.960
those kind of.

552
00:30:11.559 --> 00:30:14.200
One thing I want to bring up too well. I

553
00:30:14.240 --> 00:30:16.319
want to bring up the fact that we got to

554
00:30:16.359 --> 00:30:20.279
remember that this was the last Star Trek appearance of

555
00:30:20.359 --> 00:30:23.319
Major Barrett. Oh yeah, you know. Yeah. I mean that

556
00:30:23.480 --> 00:30:26.359
we have to mention that she was the voice of

557
00:30:26.359 --> 00:30:29.920
the Enterprise computer as she had been for many many

558
00:30:29.960 --> 00:30:33.880
decades on it, and She completed her work just two

559
00:30:33.960 --> 00:30:37.480
weeks before she passed away, so she never actually got

560
00:30:37.480 --> 00:30:39.720
to see the finished film. But I'm so glad that

561
00:30:39.799 --> 00:30:44.119
she was able to put her own stamp on this film.

562
00:30:44.759 --> 00:30:46.960
I also this was I found this rather fascinating that

563
00:30:47.240 --> 00:30:50.319
Jj Abrams he wasn't really sure if he wanted to

564
00:30:50.319 --> 00:30:53.440
direct this film. He kept going back and forth whether

565
00:30:53.480 --> 00:30:55.359
he wanted to do it, didn't want to do it,

566
00:30:55.400 --> 00:30:59.000
He wanted to see the script. But he was convinced

567
00:30:59.039 --> 00:31:03.799
to actually do the by his wife Katie McGrath and

568
00:31:04.039 --> 00:31:07.359
Steven Spielberg, who had read the script and said he

569
00:31:07.480 --> 00:31:10.799
was very impressed with it and said he should take this. Well,

570
00:31:10.799 --> 00:31:12.880
thankfully he did. Yeah, I'm glad he did too.

571
00:31:13.279 --> 00:31:14.640
Yeah.

572
00:31:14.799 --> 00:31:17.079
So Wielward was on the set too. He actually was

573
00:31:17.119 --> 00:31:20.599
on the set for a few days during when they

574
00:31:20.599 --> 00:31:23.519
were filming on the Enterprise set, and he actually helped

575
00:31:23.559 --> 00:31:25.480
Abrams with some of the actions in a few of

576
00:31:25.480 --> 00:31:29.599
the Saints. Let's let's not forget about the cameo by

577
00:31:29.640 --> 00:31:30.319
Tyler Perry.

578
00:31:31.440 --> 00:31:36.200
Oh yeah, yeah, that was a surprise, but it was

579
00:31:36.200 --> 00:31:37.880
a yeah.

580
00:31:38.319 --> 00:31:39.480
I thought I found it amusing.

581
00:31:39.519 --> 00:31:41.519
I heard that when he was giving one of his

582
00:31:41.519 --> 00:31:43.559
lines he kind of messed it up and staid cut.

583
00:31:43.720 --> 00:31:45.640
And he realized, oh wait a minute, I'm not the director.

584
00:31:48.960 --> 00:31:55.319
That's fantastic. Yeah, and there's also a connection between beers

585
00:31:55.319 --> 00:31:59.039
and engineers in the one, Yeah there is, right. Yeah,

586
00:31:59.319 --> 00:32:02.240
parts of it were owned in a Budweiser factory. It's

587
00:32:02.240 --> 00:32:04.839
hard not to see that now running through engineering and

588
00:32:04.880 --> 00:32:08.559
it's kind of like, were they just like just get

589
00:32:08.559 --> 00:32:09.839
a tap and right?

590
00:32:11.200 --> 00:32:11.720
Well why not?

591
00:32:11.880 --> 00:32:13.680
I mean that would have been It's a perfect setting,

592
00:32:13.839 --> 00:32:16.640
so why not use it your advantage as well?

593
00:32:16.880 --> 00:32:17.079
Yeah?

594
00:32:17.119 --> 00:32:17.519
Yeah.

595
00:32:18.279 --> 00:32:19.920
Any other behind the scenes facts.

596
00:32:21.480 --> 00:32:23.599
Our good old friend Ben Bert, who has done a

597
00:32:23.759 --> 00:32:26.319
ton of Star Wars stuff, as we know for the

598
00:32:26.359 --> 00:32:30.519
sound effects, was the sound effect technician for this film.

599
00:32:30.960 --> 00:32:31.799
Another amusing thing.

600
00:32:31.839 --> 00:32:32.920
I don't know if you guys knew this or not,

601
00:32:33.000 --> 00:32:35.279
but did you know the motorcycle sound that Kirk has

602
00:32:35.920 --> 00:32:41.640
is the Jetson's car. Oh oh yeah, it's so cool

603
00:32:41.680 --> 00:32:42.799
that they used that.

604
00:32:43.759 --> 00:32:44.680
This is a nice ride.

605
00:32:45.039 --> 00:32:47.519
It is very nice, right, And he gives it away

606
00:32:47.559 --> 00:32:48.160
too here.

607
00:32:48.480 --> 00:32:48.920
That's true.

608
00:32:49.559 --> 00:32:50.039
That's true.

609
00:32:51.640 --> 00:32:52.839
When anything else.

610
00:32:53.640 --> 00:32:57.119
Other than the fact that you know, the riders used

611
00:32:57.200 --> 00:33:02.240
a lot of it's to not only just past episodes

612
00:33:02.279 --> 00:33:04.279
of Star Trek. But they also used a lot of

613
00:33:04.279 --> 00:33:07.359
information from some of the novels, which for years, you know,

614
00:33:07.440 --> 00:33:11.799
Gene Roddenberry never consuded considered any of the novel's continuity.

615
00:33:11.839 --> 00:33:15.960
But the two writers here decided to bring in some

616
00:33:16.000 --> 00:33:19.000
of the elements from especially from this fantastic book that

617
00:33:19.440 --> 00:33:23.279
I remember reading as a kid called Spock's World. Great book.

618
00:33:23.279 --> 00:33:25.960
If you can find a copy of that, get it up.

619
00:33:26.000 --> 00:33:28.920
That tells a lot about Spocks passed in history, and

620
00:33:28.960 --> 00:33:30.839
it matches a lot that you see in this film.

621
00:33:30.839 --> 00:33:33.079
And I'm glad that they brought some of those elements

622
00:33:33.119 --> 00:33:34.559
in because some of them are fantastic.

623
00:33:35.240 --> 00:33:37.400
That's good. I'm always glad when they're able to tie

624
00:33:37.400 --> 00:33:41.240
that together. They I think there's going to be a

625
00:33:41.240 --> 00:33:43.039
lot of those that were going to be talking about

626
00:33:43.039 --> 00:33:46.799
in the future. M h sits down, all right, Well,

627
00:33:46.839 --> 00:33:49.200
I think that covers it from behind the scenes. Let's

628
00:33:49.200 --> 00:33:51.759
talk about favorite moments. I'm sure there are many.

629
00:33:53.400 --> 00:33:56.680
There's too How am I supposed to pick one? There's

630
00:33:56.720 --> 00:33:57.599
so many?

631
00:33:58.480 --> 00:34:02.839
Clearly, the one I talked about Pike's line is like

632
00:34:02.920 --> 00:34:07.279
among my favorite of this of this whole thing. Lennard

633
00:34:07.319 --> 00:34:10.280
Emoy in the cave with Kirk when you get his

634
00:34:10.320 --> 00:34:12.880
introduction to each other, when he's getting I am and

635
00:34:12.880 --> 00:34:15.880
always shall be your friend, he uses that line uh

636
00:34:15.920 --> 00:34:18.920
to Kirk there obviously that Kirk doesn't understand what he's saying,

637
00:34:18.960 --> 00:34:22.639
but to us as Treky's as star Trek fans put

638
00:34:22.679 --> 00:34:25.440
a smile on your face because you know where that

639
00:34:25.599 --> 00:34:29.199
was coming from, and it's very much appreciated when they

640
00:34:29.239 --> 00:34:33.159
do that. But the other thing that I absolutely loved, loved, loved, loved,

641
00:34:33.199 --> 00:34:37.239
loved about this film is, first off, the score for

642
00:34:37.360 --> 00:34:40.639
Michael Oh yeah, phenomenal score, and I'm sure we'll dig

643
00:34:40.639 --> 00:34:43.199
into that a little bit. But the other one is

644
00:34:43.280 --> 00:34:45.840
the action packed sequence that we get at the end

645
00:34:45.880 --> 00:34:50.000
the big fight when the Enterprise gets off, gets hidden

646
00:34:50.039 --> 00:34:51.760
somewhere you don't you know by by I think it

647
00:34:51.800 --> 00:34:54.000
was Saturn, one of the moons, and when it comes

648
00:34:54.079 --> 00:34:56.559
up out of the uh you know that dust or whatever.

649
00:34:56.559 --> 00:34:56.840
It is.

650
00:34:57.039 --> 00:34:57.920
Phenomenal shot.

651
00:34:58.480 --> 00:35:00.559
But all of this is going on, You're getting the

652
00:35:00.599 --> 00:35:04.360
torpedoes being launched after Spock has stolen the ship, and

653
00:35:04.679 --> 00:35:07.960
you know, Nero fires everything at him, and then out

654
00:35:07.960 --> 00:35:11.679
of nowhere the Enterprise comes in and just opens up

655
00:35:11.719 --> 00:35:15.000
firing and knocks out all the torpedoes. You have all

656
00:35:15.000 --> 00:35:17.480
this action going on, the music is hitting right when

657
00:35:17.519 --> 00:35:20.760
it needs to hit, that whole sequence with phenomenal man,

658
00:35:21.199 --> 00:35:24.400
and I just love that and every time I see that,

659
00:35:24.639 --> 00:35:27.159
I'm on the damage in my seat every time.

660
00:35:27.920 --> 00:35:30.679
Well, especially as you mentioned, like they have this volley

661
00:35:30.719 --> 00:35:33.159
of phaser blasts that are supposed to take out these

662
00:35:33.239 --> 00:35:39.480
anybitdy torpedoes aimed at this little ship and it hits

663
00:35:39.519 --> 00:35:43.000
everyone with precision. But I always, I always kind of

664
00:35:43.000 --> 00:35:45.119
hold my breath a little bit, like one sneaks through right,

665
00:35:45.440 --> 00:35:49.280
like sneak through, but they get it down. They probably

666
00:35:49.280 --> 00:35:55.199
have doctor Crusher on weapons those Wayne. What about you,

667
00:35:55.440 --> 00:35:57.280
what's one that stands out for you? Oh?

668
00:35:57.280 --> 00:36:00.519
You're right. There are so much in this film to like.

669
00:36:01.280 --> 00:36:05.400
I think the highlights are definitely the opening and everything

670
00:36:05.440 --> 00:36:09.159
with the us is Kelvin. That's always been one of

671
00:36:09.239 --> 00:36:10.920
my favors because you're right, it is one of the

672
00:36:10.920 --> 00:36:14.360
best openings Star Trek series. But I also I really

673
00:36:14.440 --> 00:36:18.199
like the pacing and the action of on the platform,

674
00:36:18.280 --> 00:36:22.480
the space platform and the Vulcan scene. I always thought

675
00:36:22.480 --> 00:36:25.960
that was a really impressive middle scene, you know, action

676
00:36:26.079 --> 00:36:29.599
scene for the film. But just see the interactions between

677
00:36:29.599 --> 00:36:33.519
the characters, especially the whole Kirk, Spock and McCoy and

678
00:36:33.559 --> 00:36:37.079
the scene with old Spock and Kirk. I and of course,

679
00:36:37.400 --> 00:36:37.679
like you.

680
00:36:37.679 --> 00:36:39.840
Just mentioned, to the music, I think the music is

681
00:36:40.079 --> 00:36:45.039
not I like the Davier mentioning the the kind of

682
00:36:45.159 --> 00:36:50.079
meeting between Spock, Prime and Kirk. It's interesting how the

683
00:36:50.119 --> 00:36:52.400
mind meld gets a little bit more in depth in

684
00:36:52.480 --> 00:36:55.320
this as well, because when they end it there's kind

685
00:36:55.320 --> 00:36:59.519
of that that backlash on Kirk that he talked about

686
00:36:59.519 --> 00:37:02.199
emotional transference as part of it. We talked about that

687
00:37:02.400 --> 00:37:05.480
in an uncomfortable way in a discovered country. We've talked

688
00:37:05.480 --> 00:37:08.360
about it in many different times. I think it's interesting

689
00:37:08.360 --> 00:37:10.639
how it adds that depth that it really is a sharing.

690
00:37:10.760 --> 00:37:13.840
It's not necessarily just reading somebody's mind or telepathy. It's

691
00:37:13.880 --> 00:37:16.840
really adjoining of them, which which gives that a lot

692
00:37:16.880 --> 00:37:18.039
more more depth.

693
00:37:18.559 --> 00:37:20.679
I went to Scott before you figures early want to

694
00:37:20.719 --> 00:37:23.679
give an honorable mention that first off, there's a lot

695
00:37:23.719 --> 00:37:26.320
of comedy in this, but it didn't override the action

696
00:37:26.519 --> 00:37:28.760
and the drama that was going on. But one of

697
00:37:28.760 --> 00:37:31.079
the things that I freaking laugh every damn time it

698
00:37:31.119 --> 00:37:33.920
happens is McCoy when he keeps giving them a kirk

699
00:37:34.000 --> 00:37:36.440
of shot.

700
00:37:35.320 --> 00:37:37.360
Quit it, and he did. He keeps doing it. It

701
00:37:37.480 --> 00:37:40.440
is so hysterical and I laugh every damn time.

702
00:37:41.960 --> 00:37:45.239
I'll see it and raise you honorable mention for just

703
00:37:45.360 --> 00:37:49.400
one line. Are you out of your fulcon mind? Like

704
00:37:50.159 --> 00:37:53.239
how he puts a little bit of f on Vulcan. Yeah,

705
00:37:54.119 --> 00:37:58.039
it's it's pitch perfect. Yeah. And I love that sequence

706
00:37:58.039 --> 00:38:00.639
and the fact that he is able to understand him

707
00:38:00.639 --> 00:38:03.320
when he's got a numb tongue and she's able to

708
00:38:03.400 --> 00:38:07.760
understand what he's trying to say, I Daring to do

709
00:38:07.840 --> 00:38:10.679
better gives me goose bumps. The opening on the Kelvin

710
00:38:11.320 --> 00:38:14.039
gives me goose bumps. It makes me emotional, I'll just

711
00:38:14.079 --> 00:38:19.159
admit it. The one that I love to see it

712
00:38:19.159 --> 00:38:21.320
brings a new smile to my face every single time,

713
00:38:21.960 --> 00:38:25.840
is the the intro of Scottie that he is just

714
00:38:26.000 --> 00:38:30.239
on this desolate rock because he beamed he tried to

715
00:38:30.880 --> 00:38:35.199
prove his theory of transwort beaming on Admiral Archer's prize Beagle,

716
00:38:35.960 --> 00:38:41.039
which I'm sure we'll talk about later. That was. But

717
00:38:41.199 --> 00:38:43.199
the fact that once he finds out there from the future,

718
00:38:43.239 --> 00:38:45.840
he says, oh, well, that's fantastic. So they still have

719
00:38:45.880 --> 00:38:50.519
sandwiches there, I'm still hungry. Like the comedic timing and

720
00:38:50.559 --> 00:38:54.039
the delivery of that kind of stuff. It's it's just fantastic.

721
00:38:54.440 --> 00:38:54.599
Yep.

722
00:38:55.920 --> 00:38:58.079
There's there's one more that I just mentioned, and again

723
00:38:58.119 --> 00:39:00.800
it's a small one. But when soon who leaves the

724
00:39:00.800 --> 00:39:01.440
parking break on?

725
00:39:02.360 --> 00:39:05.079
You know, Okay, I'm glad you brought that up because

726
00:39:05.079 --> 00:39:07.239
I had a note about that. It's because of his

727
00:39:07.400 --> 00:39:08.679
mistake they live.

728
00:39:09.239 --> 00:39:11.320
Yes, yes, so that's.

729
00:39:11.159 --> 00:39:13.079
Huge, subtle but smart it is.

730
00:39:13.480 --> 00:39:15.559
Yes, thank you for bringing that up, because I was

731
00:39:15.559 --> 00:39:17.880
gonna mention that earlier and I completely forgot, but good,

732
00:39:18.039 --> 00:39:20.239
good job bringing that up. When I saw that again

733
00:39:20.280 --> 00:39:22.800
the other night, I'm like, holy crap, it's because of

734
00:39:22.880 --> 00:39:25.559
him they live because they fall behind the rest of

735
00:39:25.599 --> 00:39:26.760
the fleet.

736
00:39:27.480 --> 00:39:30.360
Yeah, there's another little subtlety there, and I don't know

737
00:39:30.440 --> 00:39:35.320
if it's an intentional joke or a knowledgeable joke from

738
00:39:35.360 --> 00:39:40.400
Pike where he says is the parking break on? I

739
00:39:40.440 --> 00:39:43.519
don't know if he's meaning to say the external inertial

740
00:39:43.599 --> 00:39:47.079
dampers are still on, which is what Spock says that

741
00:39:47.239 --> 00:39:51.239
He's like, yeah, that's it. Sorry, let's go, let's go,

742
00:39:53.039 --> 00:39:56.679
and the controls for this, it's it's a lot more

743
00:39:57.719 --> 00:40:00.440
tactile that I'm used to seeing, like the you know what.

744
00:40:00.599 --> 00:40:05.119
He kind of moves that lever forward to get them,

745
00:40:05.400 --> 00:40:08.400
you know, on their way. It's reminiscent of the millennium

746
00:40:08.719 --> 00:40:14.840
millennium Falcons hyperdrive that they engaged to go to a

747
00:40:14.960 --> 00:40:20.679
late speed, making all those kind of little tactile additions

748
00:40:20.719 --> 00:40:22.920
to this. I think there's a lot more of a

749
00:40:23.000 --> 00:40:26.559
modern spin. All right, well, let's take another quick break

750
00:40:26.880 --> 00:40:30.679
when we come back, Let's talk about Michael Giacchino and

751
00:40:30.800 --> 00:40:36.599
the score. All right, we're back. We got to talk

752
00:40:36.639 --> 00:40:40.719
about one of the most important aspects of this. Wayne

753
00:40:40.760 --> 00:40:42.440
and Day. I know you're going to run with it,

754
00:40:42.960 --> 00:40:45.679
so I'm just going to say a quick note. We've

755
00:40:45.679 --> 00:40:52.599
got Michael Giacchino on the score. He won an Oscar

756
00:40:52.920 --> 00:40:57.559
that year for up. I know him for the Incredibles

757
00:40:57.719 --> 00:41:02.119
Mission Impossible, Ghost Protocol, the Spider and Tom Holland franchise,

758
00:41:02.880 --> 00:41:06.840
Rogue One of all things, I'll just give honorable mention

759
00:41:07.039 --> 00:41:11.239
to the Disney's gargoyles the Saint Genesis video game. Apparently

760
00:41:11.239 --> 00:41:14.320
he was involved with that. This guy is in so

761
00:41:14.400 --> 00:41:18.559
many places in some of my favorite things. But what

762
00:41:18.599 --> 00:41:20.880
are your thoughts on that? On the score, Dave, Well.

763
00:41:20.840 --> 00:41:22.480
Before we talk about that, the one thing that really

764
00:41:22.519 --> 00:41:24.679
helps him too is he'd already been working with Abrams

765
00:41:24.719 --> 00:41:28.119
before this, because he did Lost Alias Fringe. He did

766
00:41:28.119 --> 00:41:30.480
a bunch of television with aj Abrams that he produced.

767
00:41:30.920 --> 00:41:33.480
So when you have somebody that's this freaking talented, you're

768
00:41:33.519 --> 00:41:35.360
going to bring him with you no matter what you do,

769
00:41:35.800 --> 00:41:40.840
and thankfully he did, because holy crap, this score.

770
00:41:40.679 --> 00:41:44.840
Is phenomenal in this film. I mean that piece.

771
00:41:44.920 --> 00:41:46.639
First off, when the film opens up, you already know

772
00:41:46.639 --> 00:41:49.199
you're in for a treat for the score, because when

773
00:41:49.360 --> 00:41:51.039
it's rolling, you're good, oh my god, here we go.

774
00:41:51.119 --> 00:41:52.360
We're going to get into something heavy.

775
00:41:52.960 --> 00:41:54.639
And then the whole you get all that action that

776
00:41:54.719 --> 00:41:59.800
happens there at the beginning, and then when that's all finished,

777
00:41:59.840 --> 00:42:02.559
the the pods are escaping and the music is starting

778
00:42:02.679 --> 00:42:05.599
to swell and swell and swell, and then you get

779
00:42:05.599 --> 00:42:08.159
the starfleet symbol you know, coming around and it becomes

780
00:42:08.199 --> 00:42:14.000
star Trek. That just I mean chills when that music hits, yeah,

781
00:42:14.039 --> 00:42:17.880
because it is so freaking well done, and throughout the

782
00:42:18.039 --> 00:42:21.119
entire film. Whenever you needed music that would just one

783
00:42:21.199 --> 00:42:25.199
to make you feel emotion or anything, he nails it

784
00:42:25.239 --> 00:42:29.280
and it doesn't go overboard. It's perfectly fitting for everything

785
00:42:29.360 --> 00:42:31.920
that happens in the film. I love that we get

786
00:42:31.960 --> 00:42:33.719
the original Star Trek music at the end with the

787
00:42:33.719 --> 00:42:37.199
credits rolling. I think that was phenomenally well done. You know,

788
00:42:37.239 --> 00:42:39.039
it's good for us truck. He's to get that kind

789
00:42:39.039 --> 00:42:43.039
of love at the end. But there's another piece that

790
00:42:43.119 --> 00:42:47.480
I absolutely love, and that is when the enterprise fires

791
00:42:47.480 --> 00:42:50.920
at Nero ship and destroys it and you get that

792
00:42:51.679 --> 00:42:55.599
chorus going. And I've said many times on a podcast

793
00:42:55.679 --> 00:42:58.000
and how much I love when a chorus is used

794
00:42:58.000 --> 00:43:02.239
and used properly. He used it so well here when

795
00:43:02.280 --> 00:43:04.599
that happens. And there's so many other parts of this

796
00:43:04.679 --> 00:43:06.559
film where the music just stands out. I'm sure Wayne's

797
00:43:06.559 --> 00:43:09.719
going to hit on those that I'm overlooking right now,

798
00:43:09.760 --> 00:43:12.679
but it's just phenomenally well done.

799
00:43:12.760 --> 00:43:12.960
You know.

800
00:43:13.239 --> 00:43:15.119
I know, Wayne, you're a big Jerry Goldsmith fan, and

801
00:43:15.159 --> 00:43:17.000
he has done a phenomenal job over the year. James

802
00:43:17.000 --> 00:43:19.360
Horner has done a phenomenal job over the years. And

803
00:43:19.400 --> 00:43:21.400
we've talked about our love of the scores for all

804
00:43:21.400 --> 00:43:26.239
the Star Trek films. But when Paramount went to JJ

805
00:43:26.320 --> 00:43:27.760
Abrams and them and says, hey, we needed we need

806
00:43:27.800 --> 00:43:29.320
a really good Star Trek film. You know, this is

807
00:43:29.320 --> 00:43:30.800
what we need to bring back an audience.

808
00:43:31.480 --> 00:43:31.679
J J.

809
00:43:31.840 --> 00:43:33.920
Rimms knew he needed to bring the music too, not

810
00:43:34.119 --> 00:43:36.480
just the story. He needed somebody who's gonna be able

811
00:43:36.480 --> 00:43:38.960
to handle this music and do it well, that's going

812
00:43:39.000 --> 00:43:39.960
to blow your audience away.

813
00:43:40.000 --> 00:43:43.360
And that's exactly what Michael did. Yeah, I agree with you.

814
00:43:43.480 --> 00:43:47.320
I mean, I love Jerry Goldsmith's music, but this is

815
00:43:47.400 --> 00:43:50.440
new Star Trek. This is completely new. This is a

816
00:43:50.440 --> 00:43:54.079
whole different look, different reboot, and they needed a different sound.

817
00:43:54.800 --> 00:43:57.920
And of course, you know, bringing Michael was perfect. It's

818
00:43:58.000 --> 00:44:01.119
such a powerful score from beginning to end, you know,

819
00:44:01.239 --> 00:44:06.599
from the action sequences to the the quiet, somber pieces

820
00:44:06.599 --> 00:44:09.679
that he's written. It's it definitely has I believe the

821
00:44:09.800 --> 00:44:12.599
largest orchestra that they ever used on a Star Trek

822
00:44:12.679 --> 00:44:14.880
come there was one hundred and seven pieces with a

823
00:44:14.960 --> 00:44:20.800
forty person choir. I love the choir too, very very unique,

824
00:44:21.159 --> 00:44:25.440
but very like like his music. And he you know,

825
00:44:25.639 --> 00:44:28.000
he didn't forget what came before, you know, we got

826
00:44:28.360 --> 00:44:31.800
Alexander Courage's theme at the end, but we also get

827
00:44:32.079 --> 00:44:36.480
very subtle homages to both the Jerry Goldsmith and James

828
00:44:36.519 --> 00:44:39.960
Horn if you listened there there, which he was fans

829
00:44:39.960 --> 00:44:42.320
of both of them, it's not surprising that he would

830
00:44:42.320 --> 00:44:44.400
want to, you know, sneak a few of them, a

831
00:44:44.480 --> 00:44:49.199
few of their sounds, their their signature themes into the

832
00:44:49.320 --> 00:44:52.559
It's just it's just the perfect soundtrack for this film

833
00:44:52.679 --> 00:44:54.760
and for Star Trek. And I'm glad that he did this.

834
00:44:55.199 --> 00:44:57.639
I'm glad that he went on to do the other

835
00:44:57.679 --> 00:44:59.840
two films. And you know, of course he hasn't been

836
00:45:00.039 --> 00:45:02.679
Bully forgot. You know, he did also came back to

837
00:45:02.719 --> 00:45:07.239
do Star Trek Prodigy, so he's still very much into

838
00:45:07.480 --> 00:45:11.719
the the Star Trek universe. You know this this score

839
00:45:11.719 --> 00:45:15.239
has been released a few times on CD. You know,

840
00:45:15.440 --> 00:45:18.559
it's it's great. It was released back when the film

841
00:45:18.559 --> 00:45:22.320
first came out by Very Sarah Band, and then they

842
00:45:22.360 --> 00:45:25.679
released a year later in the deluxe edition for their

843
00:45:26.079 --> 00:45:29.159
CD Club but which can contain the complete score. It

844
00:45:29.199 --> 00:45:31.679
was very interesting set to if you can find a

845
00:45:31.719 --> 00:45:33.480
copy of it, it was a it looked like a book.

846
00:45:33.480 --> 00:45:35.719
It was a twenty h page book that had the

847
00:45:35.760 --> 00:45:38.639
two CDs inside of it and then inside cover and

848
00:45:38.760 --> 00:45:40.239
it was larger it about the size of it like

849
00:45:40.280 --> 00:45:43.920
a Blu ray. But they made a big mistake and

850
00:45:44.039 --> 00:45:47.119
that they forgot to overlay the choir on the pieces.

851
00:45:47.440 --> 00:45:50.360
So I don't know. Yeah, so if you do have

852
00:45:50.400 --> 00:45:54.280
a copy of the book form of the deluxe edition, yeah,

853
00:45:54.320 --> 00:45:55.920
you're missing some of the music. You're missing a lot

854
00:45:55.960 --> 00:45:59.280
of the choir. But they did. I think it was

855
00:45:59.280 --> 00:46:01.639
a few years ago the released it again just as

856
00:46:01.639 --> 00:46:04.119
a standard as a download only, and it is the

857
00:46:04.159 --> 00:46:06.960
correct version. So if you get the download, you can

858
00:46:07.000 --> 00:46:08.599
get that. But if you can find a copy of that,

859
00:46:09.000 --> 00:46:11.840
it's interesting to listen to it about the choir. If

860
00:46:11.840 --> 00:46:13.880
you can find a copy of that booklets form that

861
00:46:13.880 --> 00:46:15.960
came out in twenty ten, get a hold of it.

862
00:46:15.960 --> 00:46:17.639
But you're gonna pay a pretty price because that sold

863
00:46:17.639 --> 00:46:20.519
out within days. I was very, very lucky to get

864
00:46:20.519 --> 00:46:22.960
ahold of a copy of It's a great score. If

865
00:46:22.960 --> 00:46:25.199
you love soundtracks, you love Star Trek, if you love

866
00:46:26.480 --> 00:46:29.599
his music, which I mean Rogue one is fantastic, go

867
00:46:29.639 --> 00:46:32.239
out and buy this. You know, it is a very

868
00:46:32.320 --> 00:46:34.840
great it's a great listen. I listened to it every

869
00:46:34.840 --> 00:46:37.400
now and then, you know, because it's just a powerful score.

870
00:46:38.159 --> 00:46:40.920
Yeah, very approachable again, like I think that's the one

871
00:46:40.960 --> 00:46:44.119
that can appeal to a broader audience. Yeah, I think

872
00:46:44.119 --> 00:46:51.000
it's interesting how he uses silence throughout in very interesting ways.

873
00:46:51.840 --> 00:46:53.880
Now I'm kind of curious to hear that soundtrack without

874
00:46:53.920 --> 00:46:57.000
the chorus because there's an intentional silence, right, I wonder

875
00:46:57.039 --> 00:46:57.760
how that would play.

876
00:46:57.880 --> 00:47:01.320
But you know, it reminds me as we're talking about

877
00:47:01.360 --> 00:47:01.760
the score.

878
00:47:02.000 --> 00:47:04.119
You know, we've had a few movies where you get

879
00:47:04.119 --> 00:47:06.800
that shuttle that's arriving to the enterprise and you're getting

880
00:47:06.800 --> 00:47:09.239
that music where you see the enterprise for the first time.

881
00:47:10.000 --> 00:47:12.440
So this has it's been done two or three times,

882
00:47:12.440 --> 00:47:14.320
probably more than that that I'm forgetting about.

883
00:47:14.920 --> 00:47:17.880
But they do it again here in this movie with

884
00:47:18.039 --> 00:47:21.360
you know, this crew that we're getting to know, and

885
00:47:21.760 --> 00:47:26.079
Michael's score here is just beautiful. You know, when Phones

886
00:47:26.159 --> 00:47:27.800
is telling Kirk to look out the window, look out

887
00:47:27.800 --> 00:47:30.639
the window, and as they're approaching the enterprise and that

888
00:47:30.800 --> 00:47:32.960
music again is just swelling here.

889
00:47:33.679 --> 00:47:35.039
Man, it's just it's just epic.

890
00:47:36.039 --> 00:47:38.159
Well, I think there's another part that's a little bit

891
00:47:38.440 --> 00:47:41.920
I guess kind of somewhat out of character for a

892
00:47:41.960 --> 00:47:46.960
Star Trek movie. I would say works really well and

893
00:47:47.079 --> 00:47:52.760
still holds up. Is the bar scene. Yeah, Yeah, It's

894
00:47:52.800 --> 00:47:55.280
got a great flow to it, and I love the

895
00:47:55.320 --> 00:47:59.000
fact that there's a it's a subtlety, but when her

896
00:47:59.280 --> 00:48:02.880
is walking into the bar, were following her and there's

897
00:48:02.920 --> 00:48:05.960
a moment where she kind of sidesteps the table and

898
00:48:06.079 --> 00:48:10.159
kind of swoops to the side, and the music just

899
00:48:10.320 --> 00:48:15.480
follows her flow through the club effortlessly. I love that

900
00:48:15.519 --> 00:48:15.960
part of it.

901
00:48:16.280 --> 00:48:18.079
Yeah, I want to go back to one thing that

902
00:48:18.119 --> 00:48:21.320
Wayne had mentioned earlier. He said that Michael was inspired.

903
00:48:21.400 --> 00:48:23.199
You know, he listened to James Horner, he listened to

904
00:48:23.239 --> 00:48:26.599
Jerry Goldsmith. I found a quote from Michael who said,

905
00:48:26.599 --> 00:48:28.760
I think my writing has an old fashioned feel to it.

906
00:48:28.800 --> 00:48:31.880
For whatever reason, I'm just so influenced by the music

907
00:48:31.880 --> 00:48:33.840
that I listened to growing up. A lot of it

908
00:48:33.840 --> 00:48:36.239
out of the sixties, so it has a natural tendency

909
00:48:36.559 --> 00:48:39.840
to feel like it's from another era. So, you know,

910
00:48:39.880 --> 00:48:42.760
he does he studies music, and you know, he grew

911
00:48:42.840 --> 00:48:45.320
up with those you know, famous composers, Wayne that we

912
00:48:45.440 --> 00:48:47.920
love to listen to, so he clearly takes that into

913
00:48:47.920 --> 00:48:50.440
consideration when he's composing music, and it really comes off

914
00:48:50.480 --> 00:48:51.400
on screen when he does that.

915
00:48:52.119 --> 00:48:55.320
Yeah, because you know, a lot of composers forget that.

916
00:48:56.159 --> 00:48:59.000
You know, the music is a very important part of

917
00:48:59.039 --> 00:49:01.199
the film, and a lot of time when they write scores,

918
00:49:01.199 --> 00:49:04.280
they forget that and it kind of fades into the background.

919
00:49:04.320 --> 00:49:07.280
There's no themes, there's nothing that the audience is going

920
00:49:07.320 --> 00:49:11.400
to remember, not this Not in this case, it's got

921
00:49:11.440 --> 00:49:14.719
a very powerful, very memorable theme that when you walk

922
00:49:14.719 --> 00:49:16.159
out of the theater you remember it.

923
00:49:17.440 --> 00:49:20.360
Yeah, Dave, I love what you do. Uh. Brought up

924
00:49:20.440 --> 00:49:24.239
because it's another aspect of legacy that carries through this

925
00:49:24.599 --> 00:49:27.199
right reverence for where they've been, but seeing the potential

926
00:49:27.199 --> 00:49:29.519
to where they could go uh in the future. So

927
00:49:29.559 --> 00:49:32.360
I'm glad that folds into every piece, including the score.

928
00:49:33.119 --> 00:49:35.280
All Right, Well it's time for Easter Eggs.

929
00:49:35.679 --> 00:49:40.360
Wayne's favorite party means favorite parts. Yep. You would think

930
00:49:40.360 --> 00:49:43.440
that with a whole reboot that there wouldn't be very

931
00:49:43.480 --> 00:49:45.360
many Easter eggs, but believing there are quite a few

932
00:49:45.400 --> 00:49:45.599
of them.

933
00:49:47.119 --> 00:49:50.480
Yeah, some of the ones that stood out to me.

934
00:49:52.320 --> 00:49:55.440
Using the Kelvin as assault shaker, it's kind of a

935
00:49:55.440 --> 00:49:59.800
subtle Easter egg after that speech. It's a nice little punctuation.

936
00:50:00.119 --> 00:50:03.239
He's kind of you know, reminders of this are all

937
00:50:03.280 --> 00:50:07.320
over Kirk's world, and he takes a broken ship and

938
00:50:07.639 --> 00:50:11.519
you know, pours it out. I was surprised to hear that.

939
00:50:11.559 --> 00:50:16.480
We get Will Wheaton, who played Wesley Crusher, adding some

940
00:50:16.639 --> 00:50:20.239
dialogue for the Roblins on Nero's ship. Yep, yep, that

941
00:50:20.559 --> 00:50:24.280
is a great little added bonus there, Wayne. What else

942
00:50:24.320 --> 00:50:24.719
did you get?

943
00:50:25.519 --> 00:50:27.679
Well, there's there. Like I said, there's quite a few

944
00:50:27.679 --> 00:50:31.280
of them. To start off, there's a triple in this film,

945
00:50:31.400 --> 00:50:33.679
of course, Star Trek. There's got to be a triple somewhere.

946
00:50:34.400 --> 00:50:36.760
It is sitting in a little cage on Scotty's desk

947
00:50:37.039 --> 00:50:42.599
and at the Delta Vega outpost. Everything was redesigned for

948
00:50:42.639 --> 00:50:44.840
this film. But one thing I want to point out

949
00:50:44.880 --> 00:50:48.960
is the new design for the communicators Propsmaster Russell Bobbitt.

950
00:50:49.039 --> 00:50:53.199
He worked with the engineers at Nokia and to create

951
00:50:53.239 --> 00:50:56.519
a prototype which costs the film fifty dollars.

952
00:50:57.239 --> 00:50:58.519
Oh boy, wow.

953
00:50:59.599 --> 00:51:02.320
When it can said. When the cadets are assigned to

954
00:51:02.360 --> 00:51:05.559
their various ships just prior to the destruction of Bulkan,

955
00:51:06.039 --> 00:51:10.679
one of the cadets Feugueman. He he is assigned to

956
00:51:10.760 --> 00:51:13.639
Regular one, which we are very familiar with what that

957
00:51:13.719 --> 00:51:17.639
station is. If you SAWID Star Trek two on Delta Vega,

958
00:51:18.599 --> 00:51:22.679
Scotty mentions that he had. We brought that up, didn't we.

959
00:51:22.960 --> 00:51:23.599
We talked about.

960
00:51:23.480 --> 00:51:26.679
Jonathan go ahead, talking about yes, we.

961
00:51:26.679 --> 00:51:31.280
Love Yes, Okay, Yes, Scotty mentioned that he had used

962
00:51:31.599 --> 00:51:36.079
Admiral Archer's prized Beagle to test his long distance transporter theories.

963
00:51:36.760 --> 00:51:39.360
This was confirmed by the writers that they are talking

964
00:51:39.400 --> 00:51:43.000
about Jonathan Archer. That would mean that Archer is still

965
00:51:43.000 --> 00:51:45.679
alive at the time of this movie, which would make

966
00:51:45.760 --> 00:51:48.760
him about one hundred and forty five years old. Young.

967
00:51:48.880 --> 00:51:52.519
Now it's young. That isn't impossible because if you guys

968
00:51:52.519 --> 00:51:56.079
remember and encounter at farpoint, doctor McCoy appears in there

969
00:51:56.119 --> 00:51:57.840
and he's one hundred and thirty seven years old. So

970
00:51:57.880 --> 00:52:00.440
it's currently established that that human a little bit a

971
00:52:00.480 --> 00:52:04.320
lot longer than they do. Now, talking of that, about

972
00:52:04.320 --> 00:52:08.400
that bar scene, you Hera orders two Cardassian sunrises, and

973
00:52:08.480 --> 00:52:11.559
this makes it the first reference to the Cardassians in

974
00:52:11.639 --> 00:52:14.199
a Star Trek production that was set in the twenty

975
00:52:14.239 --> 00:52:18.159
third century. In classic Budweiser, that's.

976
00:52:17.960 --> 00:52:20.960
True hil like placement.

977
00:52:21.079 --> 00:52:26.199
Yeah, another little thing that it's definitely a blanket. You

978
00:52:26.239 --> 00:52:28.519
miss it. When Kirk climbs out of the shuttle on

979
00:52:28.599 --> 00:52:31.480
Delta Vega, if you look at his backpack, it reads

980
00:52:31.679 --> 00:52:34.239
NCC one seven zero one B.

981
00:52:36.840 --> 00:52:37.440
Interesting.

982
00:52:38.039 --> 00:52:40.360
This was the first Star Trek film to be released

983
00:52:40.400 --> 00:52:44.280
in Imax, although it wasn't filmed for it, and of course,

984
00:52:44.320 --> 00:52:46.039
as you said, it was also the first film in

985
00:52:46.079 --> 00:52:51.280
the franchise to win an oscar. Finally, yah, finally. Now

986
00:52:52.079 --> 00:52:55.519
let me close this with what I usually talk about.

987
00:52:55.519 --> 00:52:58.800
There was a huge push by Paramount to market this

988
00:52:58.880 --> 00:53:01.599
new Star Trek film. They really wanted people to know

989
00:53:01.960 --> 00:53:04.760
that Star Trek was back and it was different. So

990
00:53:04.760 --> 00:53:06.320
there was a heck of a lot of tie in

991
00:53:06.360 --> 00:53:09.559
merchandise for this film, so much that I'll never be

992
00:53:09.599 --> 00:53:11.360
able to mention it at all, But let me bring

993
00:53:11.400 --> 00:53:13.599
up some of the highlights of this film. Of course,

994
00:53:13.960 --> 00:53:16.639
there was the usual novelization, this time written by Alan

995
00:53:16.719 --> 00:53:19.760
Dean Foster, which were actually rather surprising. He had written

996
00:53:19.800 --> 00:53:22.800
a lot of the novelizations for the animated series as

997
00:53:22.840 --> 00:53:24.960
well as being one of the writers for Star Trek

998
00:53:25.039 --> 00:53:28.960
Motion Picture. IDW Comics produced a prequel comic that you

999
00:53:29.039 --> 00:53:31.559
mentioned called Star Trek Countdown that led up to the

1000
00:53:31.599 --> 00:53:34.719
release of the film, and then afterwards a six issue

1001
00:53:34.760 --> 00:53:38.760
comic adaption of the film. The toy license was again

1002
00:53:38.800 --> 00:53:42.800
awarded to Playmate Toys, which produced action figures for the

1003
00:53:42.800 --> 00:53:45.119
film of all the main characters along with Old Spock

1004
00:53:45.199 --> 00:53:48.920
and Nero, as well as prop toys, playsets, and ship

1005
00:53:48.960 --> 00:53:52.280
models just like their nineties line. It was a fantastic

1006
00:53:52.360 --> 00:53:54.480
series that they did, and they also even did twelve

1007
00:53:54.480 --> 00:53:57.119
inch figures to go along with it. A few of

1008
00:53:57.159 --> 00:54:01.159
the other properties that was released, A Writtenhouse Archives produced

1009
00:54:01.159 --> 00:54:05.039
a collectible cards. T shirts were made by a company

1010
00:54:05.039 --> 00:54:09.000
called Junk Food. Video game which was called Star Trek

1011
00:54:09.079 --> 00:54:13.679
DAC was released by Naked Sky Entertainment. Burger King got

1012
00:54:13.719 --> 00:54:16.400
into the game too, promoted a Kid's Meal tie in

1013
00:54:16.480 --> 00:54:19.960
for the film, making it the first time that Burger

1014
00:54:20.039 --> 00:54:21.760
King had anything to do with Star Trek, and it

1015
00:54:21.840 --> 00:54:25.639
was the first time that the fast food chains had

1016
00:54:25.679 --> 00:54:29.079
marketed Star Trek since McDonald's did their Happy Meal for

1017
00:54:29.360 --> 00:54:31.760
Star Trek the Motion Picture back in nineteen seventy nine.

1018
00:54:32.320 --> 00:54:34.719
The commercials that Burger King did were filmed on the

1019
00:54:34.840 --> 00:54:38.719
Enterprise set and were directed by Dan Meidel, who was

1020
00:54:38.719 --> 00:54:42.400
a cinematographer for this film. There were a number of

1021
00:54:42.519 --> 00:54:47.239
Kellogg's products that offered Star Trek merchandise and memorabilia, either

1022
00:54:47.320 --> 00:54:49.719
by mail or were included right in the package.

1023
00:54:50.079 --> 00:54:52.239
Yeah, way in terms of merchandise, and what are the

1024
00:54:52.239 --> 00:54:55.360
pieces that I really loved that they put together. When

1025
00:54:55.360 --> 00:54:59.840
the DVD Blu ray set came out, they had a

1026
00:55:00.239 --> 00:55:02.800
various pieces of the enterprise itself that you could assemble

1027
00:55:03.440 --> 00:55:07.440
into a display piece, and the saucer section is actually

1028
00:55:07.440 --> 00:55:11.320
where it holds the DVD Blu ray set. So I

1029
00:55:11.320 --> 00:55:12.719
thought that was kind of a clever way to do that.

1030
00:55:12.639 --> 00:55:13.719
That is that's cool.

1031
00:55:16.719 --> 00:55:20.199
There's there's one thing that I want to mention. We

1032
00:55:20.280 --> 00:55:26.199
had some unfortunate news recently. We had lost author Peter David,

1033
00:55:26.440 --> 00:55:29.000
who has done quite a bit for the Star Trek world.

1034
00:55:29.159 --> 00:55:31.880
So we want to dedicate this episode to the memory

1035
00:55:31.880 --> 00:55:35.320
of Peter David. Peter, thank you, thank you for all

1036
00:55:35.360 --> 00:55:39.360
that you've done for for Star Trek, but many other franchises.

1037
00:55:39.679 --> 00:55:44.559
Not to mention, The Hulk Young Justice one of my

1038
00:55:44.599 --> 00:55:52.239
favorite animated treatments. Wayne. There are several things that you've

1039
00:55:52.239 --> 00:55:54.079
reade from from Peter David, over the years.

1040
00:55:54.280 --> 00:55:58.719
Right, Oh yeah, I mean he was a very well

1041
00:55:58.719 --> 00:56:02.039
known name in Star Trek circle, especially for his novels.

1042
00:56:03.039 --> 00:56:07.519
He wrote the novels in zodi Q and law Q Squared.

1043
00:56:07.599 --> 00:56:09.920
All of those I read back when they were first released,

1044
00:56:11.039 --> 00:56:13.800
as well as he created and wrote the Star Trek

1045
00:56:13.840 --> 00:56:17.920
New Frontier series for pocket Books, which was extremely popular

1046
00:56:17.960 --> 00:56:21.480
back in the nineties. I remember his run on the

1047
00:56:21.599 --> 00:56:24.480
DC Star Trek comic back in the eighties and the nineties.

1048
00:56:24.519 --> 00:56:27.679
It was phenomenal. That was one of the best Star

1049
00:56:27.719 --> 00:56:31.199
Trek series that I've ever read. You know, it's sad

1050
00:56:31.280 --> 00:56:33.199
that he passed away. I never got a chance to

1051
00:56:33.199 --> 00:56:36.960
meet him. I always wanted to. He wrote so much in comics,

1052
00:56:37.119 --> 00:56:39.199
you know, as you mentioned incredible Halk. He also wrote Aquaman,

1053
00:56:41.000 --> 00:56:45.960
Spider Man, Captain Marvel for Marvel Comics, very well received

1054
00:56:46.039 --> 00:56:49.920
runs on those comics. He worked on TV series He

1055
00:56:49.960 --> 00:56:55.000
wrote for Ben ten Young, Justice, Space Cases, and Babylon

1056
00:56:55.079 --> 00:56:58.800
Five and It's an Off Crusade. He was a major

1057
00:56:58.880 --> 00:57:01.920
and a regular guest in many sci fi conventions and

1058
00:57:01.960 --> 00:57:06.440
comic conventions around the country. Will be sorely missed by everyone.

1059
00:57:06.519 --> 00:57:09.480
It was just a wonderful talent and I'm just really

1060
00:57:09.519 --> 00:57:13.239
sad to hear of his death. Great talent, Rest in peace,

1061
00:57:13.320 --> 00:57:14.239
Peter David.

1062
00:57:14.519 --> 00:57:18.719
Yeah, you know, as we're talking about this Star Trek

1063
00:57:18.719 --> 00:57:22.440
two thousand and nine movie being so accessible and kind

1064
00:57:22.480 --> 00:57:25.719
of approachable and possibly having a broader appeal, I think

1065
00:57:25.760 --> 00:57:30.519
that'd be true of his novels, especially Q in Law

1066
00:57:30.639 --> 00:57:32.960
and some of that incorporate a little bit more of

1067
00:57:32.960 --> 00:57:35.199
that humor. So maybe we'll have a chance to talk

1068
00:57:35.239 --> 00:57:36.119
about that in the future.

1069
00:57:36.360 --> 00:57:39.679
I can remember when The Next Generation, you know, was

1070
00:57:39.719 --> 00:57:42.199
airing and I was wanting to fill in voids and gaps,

1071
00:57:42.239 --> 00:57:45.639
and his novels were phenomenal for that, you know. I

1072
00:57:45.639 --> 00:57:47.800
mean they were written so well, like you were watching

1073
00:57:47.840 --> 00:57:51.320
an episode. I mean they were written that good. So yeah,

1074
00:57:51.360 --> 00:57:54.199
it's quite a loss to a lot of industries and

1075
00:57:54.239 --> 00:57:55.880
to us here at Star Trek and Phaser Set.

1076
00:57:55.920 --> 00:57:58.639
This done. The rest in peace, Peter.

1077
00:57:58.480 --> 00:58:02.320
David, And if you have the chance, you know, to

1078
00:58:02.440 --> 00:58:07.679
go check out one of his works, whether it's on television,

1079
00:58:07.800 --> 00:58:11.320
in comics, or in a book. And as always, we

1080
00:58:11.320 --> 00:58:12.960
want to thank you our listeners for joining us for

1081
00:58:13.000 --> 00:58:15.800
another of these voyages we're going to be This is

1082
00:58:15.800 --> 00:58:17.239
the first, but not the last time we're going to

1083
00:58:17.280 --> 00:58:20.840
be talking about the Kelvin timeline. Dave and Wayne always

1084
00:58:21.199 --> 00:58:24.159
thank you gentlemen, love to chat with you, Love.

1085
00:58:24.079 --> 00:58:25.960
To be part of this bridge, love it. It's a

1086
00:58:25.960 --> 00:58:26.519
lot of fun.

1087
00:58:27.719 --> 00:58:30.320
And just remember our haaling frequencies are always open for

1088
00:58:30.360 --> 00:58:33.280
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1089
00:58:33.280 --> 00:58:36.559
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1090
00:58:36.559 --> 00:58:39.039
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1091
00:58:39.079 --> 00:58:41.719
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1092
00:58:41.719 --> 00:58:44.360
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1093
00:58:44.400 --> 00:58:47.920
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1094
00:58:47.960 --> 00:58:50.920
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1095
00:58:50.920 --> 00:58:58.079
Phasers set to stem. All right, we'll dive right in

1096
00:58:58.159 --> 00:59:03.039
its usualah blah blah Wayne, Is there are there any

1097
00:59:03.079 --> 00:59:06.519
details that you cover in your synopsis, like released on

1098
00:59:07.320 --> 00:59:09.079
rated whatever? Oh no?

1099
00:59:09.480 --> 00:59:13.679
Written by his synopsis is gonna be space the final

1100
00:59:13.679 --> 00:59:14.039
front two.

1101
00:59:15.360 --> 00:59:19.400
So there's this guy and he flies a ship as

1102
00:59:19.559 --> 00:59:20.679
other people they.

1103
00:59:20.559 --> 00:59:24.320
Shoot, they shoot things, you know, going to Adventure Stars

1104
00:59:24.400 --> 00:59:25.920
and there's a war going on.

1105
00:59:27.800 --> 00:59:30.400
They go on a trek or something something like that.