Feb. 25, 2025

Phasers Set To Stun: Star Trek III The Search for Spock

Phasers Set To Stun: Star Trek III The Search for Spock
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Season 6 Phasers Set To Stun

On "Phasers Set To Stun," we recognize the popularity of all things Star Trek, with a look at television shows, animation, movies, and much more! Our crew is back on the bridge to discuss the first Star Trek film to be directed by one of it's stars, Star Trek III: The Search for Spock!

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Space the Final Frontier. Join us for a bold conversation

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our prime directive to recap our favorite Star Trek shows,

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both new and old, to engage and debate about all

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things Trek. Prepare to energize with Phasers Set to Stunt.

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Hello everyone, and welcome back to Phasers Set to Stunt.

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In this ongoing series from a film by a podcast,

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we continue to show our love for every quadrant of

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the expanding Star Trek universe by covering television, animation, movies, directors,

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and much more. Plotting the course, as always is your

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Core Trek crew.

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I'm Scott Hoffin, I'm David Burns, and I'm Wayne White.

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In this episode, we're continuing to follow the original series

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crew on the silver screen with Star Trek three, The

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Search for Spock, written by Harvey Bennett and directed by

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Spock himself Leonard Nimoy. Now this is coming a little late,

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but red alert, you've had a few years. I mean,

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come on, but red alert. If you haven't seen this film,

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please go watch it and then come back and talk

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to us. For now that we've could talk to that

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five percent of the population, let's break it down. Wayne

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wanted it to go as to the summary of what this

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movie is all about.

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Following the death of Captain Spock and the creation of

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the Genesis planet, the Enterprise returns to Earth to be

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decommissioned and it's crew reassigned. Doctor McCoy begins to exhibit

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strange behavior and is arrested, and a surprise appearance by

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Spock's father, Sarah, reveals that moments before death, Spock has

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transferred his Katra, his living spirit, into the mind of McCoy,

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only bringing Spock's body to Vulcan and re fur the

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process to return their friend back to the land of

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the living. But getting to Genesis may prove to be

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the least of Kirk's problems. The Klingons have become interested

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in its secrets, and they will stop at nothing to

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retrieve the weapon. Kirk may have to make the ultimate

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sacrifice in order to save his friend, his son, and

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his crew.

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All Right, So, before we get into favorite moments and

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the cast and everything else, I know there's a lot

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of I would say, opinions just kind of split on

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certain movies as we go through the franchise. So Dave,

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I'll toss it up to you first. What are your

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overall thoughts about this movie.

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So it is not as strong as con obviously, but

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it's still a Star Trek movie.

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You know.

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Anytime you can give me Star Trek on the big

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screen a little screen, I'm gonna be happy going in.

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I saw this movie in the theaters when I was

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a little kid, and I remember being happy with it

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because I was little, you know, I get to see

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the Star Trek crew. The only thing that this left

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me devastated when I walked to the theater was seeing

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the Enterprise go down in flames. You know, today, it's

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no big deal to see one of these ships just

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get blown to pieces and you know, be done with.

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Back then, that's a different story, you know. Seeing the

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Enterprise go down like that, and that shot that you

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got of the crew watching it come down in the

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atmosphere burning and Kirk saying, oh my god, bones, what

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have I done? That whole scene right there was spectacular

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to me, and as a little kid, I had some

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tears when I saw the Enterprise coming down like that

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because I didn't see that coming Wayne.

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What about you?

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Well, while I.

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Think this is the weakest of the trilogy, I still

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think it's a good film. You know, I have a

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hard time separating this from the other two films from

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Star Trek two and four, because it's the second act.

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It's chapter two of like the same books. So I

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can't say it's a bad film because it's really, in

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my mind two, three and four or make you know,

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one large story. It's kind of like, you know, the

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Star Wars trilogy. It's hard to separate from that. But

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I like the film, I really do. It's got a

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lot of great moments to it. It's a lot of

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great design. Is it the best note, but it's still

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very enjoyable.

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So wait, and I'm gonna give you credit for why

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I like this movie even more because it wasn't until

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you had mentioned that this is part of a trilogy

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that I had really thought of it that way, And

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it made me like the film that much more because

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I knew that it wasn't. The end of the story

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is kind of a continuation of it. It does seem like,

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you know, when you're looking at this compared to something

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like Empire strikes back this part of me that feels like, well,

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the Empire of this trilogy feels like it would be

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con But if you only think about that in terms

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of Spuck, it's not really it's the ship. It's kind

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of this this passing from one kind of of era

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I guess to another not original series to Next Generation obviously,

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but because of the destruction of the Enterprise. So it's fascinating.

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And I hadn't thought of it as a trilogy before,

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and I think you you made it better for me

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just thinking about it that way. I agree that there

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are some things that feel like they're not as strong.

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There are some things like apologies to Scott McGuinness, but

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mister Adventure, the way some of those lines are delivered

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in the room with her, uh that that steve a

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little dated. And there are some things that feel like

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it's it's trying to be Wrath of con in some

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kind of moments, like when he says I want Genesis

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it just because of feels like it's like it's it's

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trying to be a con like villain, which didn't really

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hit right for me.

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It's it's not.

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One of my absolute favorites, but I have so much

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more of an appreciation of it thinking of it as

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a trilogy, and especially looking at tonally, how this one

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goes from such an action packed movie wreath of Khan

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to something that has a little bit more of kind

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of a lighthearted nature. As ot as that may seem,

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there are a lot of down moments in this but

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the heist specifically stands out to me as one of

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those lighter sequences. While we get a little bit of

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comedy back.

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In it, it really felt like it was missing. I mean,

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and I understand why because Spock was in McCoy, but

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we really missed McCoy in this film.

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His humor.

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You get a tiny bit of it here and there,

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but you got a lot of that in Khan, and

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that element was missing here. And then you're breaking up

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the crew too, with you know, horror not being with them.

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I understand why they were doing it and how why

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it had to be like that, but I felt like

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some of that with them, the whole Bridge crew not

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being together just felt a little awkward at times, and

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that's what was missing from the film for sure.

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Yeah, you know, you're you're right. I wanted to bring

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up that point about McCoy too, because you know, I

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know he's he's acting different throughout this film, and you

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got to give Marx to uh DeForest Kelly for for

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playing it like that. But he's it's just very odd

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the way he portrays McCoy, but that that's the way

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it's supposed to be. And then I don't understand. I

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mean you her is hardly in this film. She has

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very little to do, have not having all of them

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together for the majority of the film up until basically

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the end, it's it makes his film lacking.

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Yep.

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Yeah, all that, so for as little as she has

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to do, I do like the role that her a

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place in this. Oh yeah, I know that. I think

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Michelle Nichols had some reservations about it because it didn't

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feel like she had much on paper. But I think

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what she had done with those scenes, especially how it

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kind of sets her up for so the future installments.

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I like where they're going with that.

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Yeah.

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We Yeah, the cast is fantastic in it. They're they're

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they're doing their best with the script. It's it's it's

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they're all good. They're all always been very very good.

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But you know, here, especially with between Kirk and Spock

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and McCoy, you really feel that that friendship here in

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this film, You'll just like you hadn't start her too.

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The whole the whole ending really felt hit hit home. Yeah,

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it did.

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You know when Spock was walking away and he turns

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around and comes back, and I know we'll get to that,

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but I just absolutely loved all of.

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That right there with the Bridge crew. I thought it

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was fantastic.

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The one thing that I was really missing from this

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film too, and it's not their fault is obviously christ

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the Aali, yes, not reprising her role as Savic, and

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I understand why, I guess money and all that kind

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of stuff, But Robert Curtis still did a good job.

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Don't get it wrong, she really did.

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But CURSTIALI just not having her when she was in

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con and we get that change up.

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It really felt odd to me. It did.

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It's a different portrayal. That the two actresses played the

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character so different, you know, it makes me wonder maybe

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they should have just made it a different character or

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something new.

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But I agree.

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I hate to say this because Robin Curtis did a

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fantastic job, but I do prefer Christy Ali's portrayal of

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Savag and it's a pity she couldn't continue on.

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It does seem like it has a bit of a

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it's kind of an interrupt interruption in the consistency of it, right,

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especially because toward the end of con you see some

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emotion come through in Savag So it feels like then

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there would be a little bit more I guess, carry

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through and the emotional connection she might have with David

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that we were missing. But I think Robin Curtis, to

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your point, does a great job of filling in that

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gap and carrying it. Yeah. Yeah, When we talk about

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the cast, there's a lot of great performances in here.

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I want to mention Merret Merrett, Butrick coming back as David.

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I think it's good that we continue to see a

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little bit more of his development. Unfortunately, we come to

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learn that David sees himself as responsible for the Genesis

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disaster because he's proto maatter in the mix. I think

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he does a great job in this role. I think

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it's interesting to see that kind of self punishment. But

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I don't know that it should I don't know that

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the fault should fall so squarely on his shoulders, because

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it feels like the planet's created in a way it

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wasn't designed to. It was made to terra form a planet,

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not turn a ship into a planet that's freestanding.

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And you know, he's like taking the responsibility all in himself.

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But if you remember Genesis was a team effort, it

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was right right. I mean, you can't you can't say

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that he really probably you know, shouldn't say that he

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was in bought. I think they're all responsible, you understand,

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I understand it. I mean, everybody wants to cut corners

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in order to s seed, but you know it shouldn't

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all fall on his fault. That's why Carol was not around.

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She knew the word this was going.

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I'm out.

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I told him not to put that in the batter.

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He wouldn't listen. And we've got a big connective thread

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between McCoy, Spock, David, and the rest of the crew.

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William Shatner as Kirk, I think we get a really

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unique performance here, specifically with how he reacts to David's death.

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Oh yeah, I was. I was surprised to hear that

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that was an improvised scene that nimoy just said, play

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it how you want to that. I don't know. I

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haven't seen as much of the original series as I

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should have, but having seen all the movies, it feels

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like this is one where we get some kind of

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unusual exploration from from William Shatner in that way, would

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you agree?

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Oh, no, absolutely. I think that's one of the most

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powerful scenes in the whole film, you know, when he said,

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you know, you killed my son, but the whole thing

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falling back and missing the chair. I thought that was incredible,

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very emotional.

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for Kirk, Spock and McCoy, you know. And I think

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it was a good idea for Leonard Nimoy to direct

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this film rather than someone from outside agree directed, because

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but he knows the others and they know him, and

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he was able to really, in my opinion, bring out

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the best in those those characters, in those actors, because

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they all do a fantastic job, including William Shatner. He's

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just he's outstanding in this film.

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Yeah, and kudo to them for bringing Mark Leonard back.

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did a fantastic job in.

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This Yeah for sure. Well, jumping over to the other ship,

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let's talk about the Klingon crew. I'm not going to

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go to the obvious one first because I just want

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to mention for a minute. I always forget where Dan

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Fielding is on that Klingon ship as John Laraquet. He

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was Dan Fielding in Night Court obviously as one of

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the Klingons. Surprises me every single time. I always have

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to kind of look through the makeup to find out

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where he is. And of course we've got another comedic

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superstar in a very different kind of role, Christopher Lloyd

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as is that Krug Krug?

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I mean it's it's obvious you're trying to capture what

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they got and had. It started two with with Khn,

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you know, a central villain that everybody can hate. But

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it's it's different, you know, Christopher Lloyd did a complete

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different portrayal. This is really the first time we've seen

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the Klingons in any you know, any major parts the

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original series and really back then, you know, we never

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really got much in depth, you know, development with the Klingons.

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But so much is put into this film and it's

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a lot goes to Christopher.

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Lloyd in his portrayal.

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I think he's even stated this is one of his

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favorite roles that he's ever done, was playing this and

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it almost didn't happen. My understanding, he almost didn't have

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this role, and I'm glad it did because I think

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Paramount was kind of throwing a fit because they were like, oh,

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that's not that taxi guy we.

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Don't want, we want him. Yeah you do, oh yeah,

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you really do well.

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His Leonard Nimoy. He wanted Edward James almost to play

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the part. Yep, you know, but Paramount didn't want that.

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I like both actors, but I think Christopher Lloyd he

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really put everything into the part, and I'm glad he

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got it.

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Me too.

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I'd be interested to pick up a copy of that

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at the Alternate Reality Video store just to see what

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it's like. But I'm glad we got what we got.

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I think if we didn't, we probably wouldn't have Judge

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doom In hooprame Bruder Rabbit. Oh absolutely a lot of

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his range. Yeah, absolutely, and that's always just fun to

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see him. I remember seeing his picture on the front

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of my brother's cleon Dictionary, but I was still surprised

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when I was like, that's that's Doc prown.

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There's no way I forgot all about that, you know.

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I went through all the merchandise and stuff, And I

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completely forgot about the Klingon dictionary.

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That came out with this that stood out so much.

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That was Yeah, this film was the birth of all

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of that.

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Yep, because they had to find a way to give

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him some language. So I mean, I guess because of

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Search of a Spot, we have that to thank you for.

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Yeah, and they used that for years and years and

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years afterwards.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, it's a it's a big expansion for the Klons.

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So they didn't have that much language in the original series,

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wasn't it James doing James Newhan had a hand in

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creating some of the language, and then for this they

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had to kind of build on that.

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Yeah. Yeah, that's exactly what they did.

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That's crazy. Well I'll get into another expansion of the

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Klingons because I love the ship. I love the ship

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in this movie. We'll talk about that in a minute.

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Any other thoughts on cast anybody glossing over?

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I want to mention one person, Frank Welker.

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Yes, love him, box screens and.

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Stuff like that. That is insane that they got him

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just to do that.

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Thank you, Dave.

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I love it. And let's let's not forget even Leonard

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moy through his voice in there for the elevator. Yes,

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up your shaft.

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Yes, Oh I love that scene. I love I love

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so many you Scotty's lines. I'll come up later, but yeah,

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we've got definitely uh definitely got a crossover with the

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Transformers of the movie from our eighty six Dave. I

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love when you mentioned that.

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And speaking of you know, voice actors, there's another one

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in here, Judy durrant To. She voices the space Talk computers.

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We hear her voice a lot later on. She's actually

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the voice of the Kardassian computers and the Deep Space

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nine computers on start our Deep Space nine.

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Nice.

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Interesting, Yeah, there's some amazing work done in here. I

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know we haven't even touched on a lot of the

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the Vulcan cast. There's so much ceremony. You already mentioned

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Mark Leonard. It's always great to see him come back.

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It's it's a very sprawling kind of movie. Like you

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get a lot of Klingons, a lot of Vulcan, a

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lot of the crew, some interesting appearances by people from

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space Dock, including those that are piloting Excelsior after Scutty

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sabotages it. This is one of my favorite scenes.

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We got a cameo of Janis Rand as well in

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fun I forgot about that.

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Yeah, and we got those silly guard suits back from

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the motion picture.

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Different, a little bit different, but they're still.

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There for the for the Starfleet football team. Those helmets. Yeah. Well,

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let's talk about some of our favorite moments from the

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one we've already mentioned a couple. First appearance of Excelsior

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hits a little differently after being such a fan of

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Undiscovered Country. But I love the introduction of that.

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I like the reverse effect here that we get, you know,

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in the motion picture in the Wrath of Cohn, we

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both get the Enterprise that is sitting there in dock

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and gatoray we watch it go out. This time we

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get the opposite effect, where we're seeing Enterprise come in

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to the dock, and that's when you get the review

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of the Excelsior and you get all the crew people

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who are inside watching Enterprise that that's coming in and

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you see it's all beaten up and those kind of things.

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I really love how they did it that way.

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that whole I know it's not an immediate follow up

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from the first movie, but that opening sequence where we

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have the teeny tiny, almost television view that kind of

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zooms in. I think it was a great choice to

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have them with all that battle damage coming back home

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kind of like their wounds and still recovering from everything

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that's going on with.

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With Spock the way the way I took it.

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I mean, if you if you're standing there watching Enterprise

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come in, everybody knows the history of Enterprise, So if

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you're in Starfleet, you're seeing this ship coming in, probably

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the first time you've ever seen it, you are just

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going to be beside yourself watching this come in.

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Right, Yeah, Yeah, for sure.

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I just think that that moment was incredible, and I

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think it's really overlooked.

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And everyone's you know, they're staring at it when it

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comes in there, but they're seeing the battle damage and

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and you know, quite shocked over it from the looks

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their faces.

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M M.

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Yeah.

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Well, I tell you what, We're gonna go ahead and

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take a break, and when we come back, we're going

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to talk about a couple more of our favorite moments,

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get into some behind the scenes things, and talk about

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one of my favorite moments, the heist. We were back. Okay,

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we're back. So favorite moments. I want us to talk

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about the heist, the good and the bad. There's a

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lot of great comedy, I think in this one, and

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as soon as you get the idea that you're not

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necessarily supposed to be taking this sequence too seriously. I

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think it's a lot of fun. But it is definitely

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a different tone from the entire rest of the movie.

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Fair Oh yeah, it absolutely is.

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I like the whole herr thene Again, we don't get

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a lot of her in this movie and the one

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one we get here where she shines.

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You know, go get in the closet.

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What it's a badass moment, right, it is, It really is,

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and I love that out of her, and but I

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wish we had gotten more.

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But it is what it is.

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Even Sulu gets gets gubble moment here, He's tossing a

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lot of people around, especially tiny. Yeah, it's clearly a mistake,

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but I don't know. I thought it was a lot

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of fun. It was an interesting way to kind of

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segue into the the adventure of the next sequence when

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they all stim really get it. I think it all

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kind of wraps up as Scotty kind of drops the

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different pieces into McCoy's hands, from one surgeon to another.

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I don't know. I just thought it was a lot

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of fun.

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Well, you know, when you're watching this, you know the heist.

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You know Kirk and the crew are are sacrificing everything

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to still that enterprise. They know that, you know, they're

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they're going to be court martialed, They're they're going to

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lose everything. To me, that just shows how much they

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care about Spock.

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I mean, the whole sequence.

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Yes, it's comedy, but it really shows that you know,

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they had to make that decision that you know, their

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their careers, their lives, or their friend, and they chose

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their friend. And I think that's probably one of the

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strongest parts of the film because of that. You know,

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their their choice to to save Spock rather than than

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and sacrifice themselves in everything that they know. I love

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the sequence. I think it's not only is it fun,

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but it's exciting. The visually, the visual effects are fantastic

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in it. So the excelsior is beautiful. I it's it's

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the highlight light of the entire film for me, that

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that centerpiece.

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The only thing that's not beautiful are those pink chair.

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I didn't even notice him. Now I gotta go back

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and watch the pink chairs.

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I couldn't take my eyes off of this time.

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Were they on the every time they shared the bridge,

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they got these pink chairs, and I'm like, I can't

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do my eyes off of.

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Say, for me, the weird there on the excels here

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aside from the kind of cartoon you know, uh bus

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breaking down so sound, as is the the I guess

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it's a writing crop that captain carries around. Yeah, but

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this seems weird and awkward, like what like to make

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the ship go faster, you're like slap it against the

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side of the seat or something like you got that

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in the wrong place.

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I never thought of that.

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What what was his engage? What was his word?

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I forget, but I'm like, I cringe. I don't remember

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what it was. But it was not cool at all.

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I'm like, dude, no, just no, it.

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Doesn't seem like a very fun ship to be on.

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I don't know if i'd want to be one of

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the bridge crew there, No, not at all.

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That's right there.

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I want the ship to go faster. Now. Any other

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favorite scenes I know?

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I give there they're watching the Enterprise go down.

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That's I mean, I hate to say that's my favorite scene,

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but it's just a very emotional scene for me. There's

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just there's just so many things in this I love

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the scene where they're all together on the space station

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before the heist and when Kirk's you know, they're all

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having drinks and stuff like that, and you know they're

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asking them what they're what they're going to do, and

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that's when they're having the discussion that the Enterprise is

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going to be decommissioned yor like, well, where are.

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We going to go?

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What's gonna happen to us? I really like that scene

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between our between that crew because I mean, yeah, I mean,

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but how long they've been together and now they're stuck

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in the situation. If it was one of us, it'd

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00:24:02.200 --> 00:24:03.920
be no brainer to do what Kirk did and to

477
00:24:03.960 --> 00:24:06.799
go with Kirk, because if you're being decommissioned and you're

478
00:24:06.799 --> 00:24:09.720
almost at the end of your career and you got

479
00:24:09.759 --> 00:24:11.680
your best one of your best friends is out there,

480
00:24:12.160 --> 00:24:12.920
you're going to do it.

481
00:24:13.519 --> 00:24:13.759
Yeah.

482
00:24:13.839 --> 00:24:16.799
So in yeah, going out with the Blaze of.

483
00:24:16.759 --> 00:24:20.359
Glory exactly, yep, and a hell.

484
00:24:20.240 --> 00:24:25.160
Of a gamble from Kirk if his gambit with the

485
00:24:25.160 --> 00:24:28.240
self distract hadn't worked, and there was a slightly savvy

486
00:24:28.559 --> 00:24:30.279
pling on on that bridge that they just hit the

487
00:24:30.279 --> 00:24:35.400
stop button, which I know it's not that simple, but

488
00:24:35.440 --> 00:24:39.240
that's how they set down self destruct sequences. But I

489
00:24:39.279 --> 00:24:41.240
don't know, it was, Yeah, it was. It was a

490
00:24:41.279 --> 00:24:45.400
powerful decision to make, and knowing how much the franchise

491
00:24:45.480 --> 00:24:48.920
still had left in it, it's a it's a very interesting,

492
00:24:49.559 --> 00:24:51.720
uh kind of risk because at the end of the movie,

493
00:24:51.759 --> 00:24:54.240
it's like, where do they go from here? Does a

494
00:24:54.279 --> 00:24:56.960
beautiful job of setting up the next movie, which is

495
00:24:57.200 --> 00:24:57.839
a lot of fun.

496
00:24:58.000 --> 00:24:59.319
Absolutely, yeah, it does.

497
00:24:59.640 --> 00:25:02.279
And and even speaking about my favorite parts, we kind

498
00:25:02.319 --> 00:25:06.480
of touch based on the ending there where you know,

499
00:25:06.599 --> 00:25:08.599
Spock is walking when he comes back and he has

500
00:25:08.720 --> 00:25:12.000
that discussion with Kirk you know, I've been told that

501
00:25:12.079 --> 00:25:15.559
you are my friend, and that that whole sequence thera

502
00:25:15.559 --> 00:25:17.519
at the end where you know he gives that line

503
00:25:18.279 --> 00:25:21.160
you know where Kirk actually says that you know you

504
00:25:21.240 --> 00:25:22.759
came back, Well, he said, you came back for me.

505
00:25:23.160 --> 00:25:24.960
He says, why would you do this? And then Kirk

506
00:25:25.000 --> 00:25:26.799
was said, because the needs of the one outweighed the

507
00:25:26.839 --> 00:25:29.880
needs of the many, the reverse of what Spock had

508
00:25:29.920 --> 00:25:33.079
told him in con and I absolutely loved that.

509
00:25:33.240 --> 00:25:33.440
Man.

510
00:25:33.559 --> 00:25:36.640
I thought that moment right there really made the film

511
00:25:36.680 --> 00:25:38.880
for me. Again, it's not the strongest Star Trek film,

512
00:25:39.160 --> 00:25:41.039
but I absolutely love that whole scene right there.

513
00:25:41.519 --> 00:25:44.720
Now you're when, Yeah, it wasn't the strongest Star Trek film,

514
00:25:44.759 --> 00:25:48.119
but it had moments that are some of the strongest

515
00:25:48.119 --> 00:25:49.480
moments in Star Trek.

516
00:25:50.119 --> 00:25:50.319
You know.

517
00:25:50.519 --> 00:25:53.559
It's I have a lot of great memories from this film.

518
00:25:53.559 --> 00:25:55.559
You know, this is probably the film that I remember

519
00:25:55.599 --> 00:26:00.480
the most watching. I remember every last detail when I

520
00:26:00.519 --> 00:26:02.960
saw this for the first time. I mean just I

521
00:26:03.240 --> 00:26:05.799
can remember every little thing about it.

522
00:26:05.880 --> 00:26:06.079
You know.

523
00:26:06.119 --> 00:26:10.680
I saw this film first at drive in There was

524
00:26:10.720 --> 00:26:12.880
a driven called the Lake Drive in between Sline and

525
00:26:12.880 --> 00:26:15.759
Saint Mary's. My mom took me one night. She just

526
00:26:16.240 --> 00:26:17.279
it was something we did all.

527
00:26:17.160 --> 00:26:19.599
Every now and then. And you know, she put me

528
00:26:19.599 --> 00:26:20.480
in the car. We went.

529
00:26:20.759 --> 00:26:23.359
She popped up a big grocery bag full of popcorn.

530
00:26:25.000 --> 00:26:28.720
We went to the corner grocery store and bought pop

531
00:26:28.759 --> 00:26:32.440
and candy, and she bought me two comic books and

532
00:26:32.519 --> 00:26:36.400
one of them was Star Trek Issue eight, which is

533
00:26:36.599 --> 00:26:39.240
a savag issue. But and we got to the drive

534
00:26:39.279 --> 00:26:40.920
in theater. I sat there and I read it, and

535
00:26:40.960 --> 00:26:44.039
at the end of that comic showed Savog leaving to

536
00:26:44.079 --> 00:26:46.680
go to the Grissom for this adventure. It led right

537
00:26:46.720 --> 00:26:49.640
into Star Trek three, and then I saw Star Trek three,

538
00:26:50.319 --> 00:26:53.920
you know, right after it, after it, and I think

539
00:26:53.960 --> 00:26:56.119
the second film, if I remember right, was Grimlins, and

540
00:26:56.119 --> 00:26:57.799
that was the first time I saw that film too,

541
00:26:57.920 --> 00:27:00.240
so you know, I had a two for that night.

542
00:27:00.440 --> 00:27:04.720
It's it's such a great strong memory for me, so

543
00:27:05.000 --> 00:27:07.599
I really, I mean, this film, you know, has some

544
00:27:07.640 --> 00:27:09.799
special meeting for me because of that, because you know,

545
00:27:09.880 --> 00:27:12.599
I love those nights going to the theater or going

546
00:27:12.599 --> 00:27:15.359
to the drive in with mom, and I just remember

547
00:27:15.400 --> 00:27:16.200
it so clearly.

548
00:27:16.720 --> 00:27:19.039
Yeah, that's really cool. Well, and she's she's doing it

549
00:27:19.119 --> 00:27:22.680
right with that grocery bag full of popcorn. Yeah that

550
00:27:22.759 --> 00:27:28.079
sounds epic. Good job, mom, Yeah, absolutely, mart Well, speaking

551
00:27:28.079 --> 00:27:31.880
of favorite moments or favorite things, I guess to get

552
00:27:31.880 --> 00:27:34.799
into a little bit of behind the scenes. I was

553
00:27:34.839 --> 00:27:38.079
interested to learn that this was the introduction of the

554
00:27:38.200 --> 00:27:40.119
Klingon bird of prey. Is that right?

555
00:27:40.519 --> 00:27:41.720
Yeah, that's right, sure is.

556
00:27:42.480 --> 00:27:48.799
And it was designed in part by Leonard Nimoy. There's

557
00:27:48.839 --> 00:27:51.599
something I found about at a pre production meeting at

558
00:27:51.640 --> 00:27:54.480
I l m uh. He kind of posed his arms

559
00:27:54.480 --> 00:27:58.400
and hands to show off what the wings would ultimately

560
00:27:58.440 --> 00:28:00.720
look like. So I guess he was almost posing as

561
00:28:00.720 --> 00:28:03.400
if he was carrying like a big basket or something

562
00:28:03.440 --> 00:28:03.759
like that.

563
00:28:04.119 --> 00:28:06.440
That would surprise me as a director. Yeah, he probably

564
00:28:06.440 --> 00:28:09.400
had a lot of hand and designing everything.

565
00:28:10.039 --> 00:28:12.200
But I think it's a great design for a ship.

566
00:28:12.359 --> 00:28:15.160
It is like, it's a very intimidating design. And I

567
00:28:15.160 --> 00:28:16.920
had no idea this is the first time we ever

568
00:28:16.960 --> 00:28:17.279
got it.

569
00:28:17.640 --> 00:28:18.359
Yeah, I didn't.

570
00:28:18.400 --> 00:28:20.519
Yeah, I didn't know that behind the story behind it,

571
00:28:20.559 --> 00:28:21.839
but yeah, and I knew this was the first time

572
00:28:21.839 --> 00:28:25.160
we got that ship. Wasn't wasn't the original intention for

573
00:28:25.160 --> 00:28:27.079
the Romulins to be the villains in this?

574
00:28:27.319 --> 00:28:27.559
Yeah?

575
00:28:27.640 --> 00:28:30.880
Yeah, in the same place, it sounds like it was

576
00:28:31.920 --> 00:28:35.160
a Romulin vessel that comandeered.

577
00:28:35.000 --> 00:28:37.119
Which I mean, if you think of it that way,

578
00:28:37.119 --> 00:28:39.920
that makes sense because the Romulins, you know, they they're

579
00:28:39.920 --> 00:28:41.519
the ones with the bird of Praise, They're the ones

580
00:28:41.519 --> 00:28:45.279
that have the bird motif on their ships. So you know,

581
00:28:45.279 --> 00:28:47.000
here we got the kling on bird of prey and

582
00:28:47.279 --> 00:28:49.720
you know, with with the bird motif and the moving

583
00:28:49.799 --> 00:28:52.359
wings and everything, so it makes sense. It's you know,

584
00:28:52.519 --> 00:28:55.400
they it's a pity they dropped that because I mean,

585
00:28:55.440 --> 00:28:58.480
I think that's still I'm trying to remember. I don't

586
00:28:58.480 --> 00:28:59.960
know if it was the original series or the movie

587
00:29:00.160 --> 00:29:03.920
where they're brought up the idea of the Klingons and

588
00:29:03.960 --> 00:29:07.319
the Romulans having some sort of treaty, some sort of

589
00:29:07.680 --> 00:29:10.079
sharing of the technology. I think this might have been

590
00:29:10.119 --> 00:29:12.559
the first time. No, that's right, it was the original

591
00:29:12.599 --> 00:29:16.119
series because the Romulans are using Klingon ships in there,

592
00:29:16.240 --> 00:29:17.759
so it makes sense. You know, the Romulins were using

593
00:29:17.799 --> 00:29:20.440
the cleanon ships and now the Klingons are using Romulin

594
00:29:20.519 --> 00:29:23.200
technology and Romulint designs makes sense.

595
00:29:23.880 --> 00:29:26.160
So there's another bit of that that I had seen.

596
00:29:26.279 --> 00:29:29.279
So I guess the the original intention was to make

597
00:29:29.279 --> 00:29:32.160
it the Romulins instead of the Klanons, but Klingons were

598
00:29:32.440 --> 00:29:37.400
better known. But it sounds like they already had designs

599
00:29:37.400 --> 00:29:40.480
on the warship for the Romulins being built. They basically

600
00:29:40.559 --> 00:29:43.279
just transferred it over.

601
00:29:43.720 --> 00:29:45.079
Yeah, yeah, I.

602
00:29:45.759 --> 00:29:49.519
Think that's interesting. I can't imagine this movie with the

603
00:29:49.599 --> 00:29:50.599
Romulins being the.

604
00:29:50.599 --> 00:29:57.240
Villains, though I can't now, I mean, yeah, but maybe

605
00:29:57.359 --> 00:30:00.319
it could have happened, but I don't know. Hard to

606
00:30:00.359 --> 00:30:02.279
say now because this movie is so ingrained in my

607
00:30:02.359 --> 00:30:04.960
brain now really hard to imagine.

608
00:30:06.759 --> 00:30:09.720
And the Klingons are such like the the the big

609
00:30:10.119 --> 00:30:13.000
iconic star Trek villains. But back then I guess they

610
00:30:13.000 --> 00:30:16.880
really weren't. You know, the Romulans appeared just as much

611
00:30:16.880 --> 00:30:19.160
as the Klingons in the original series, and they were

612
00:30:19.200 --> 00:30:22.279
really big. So I think back then maybe we could

613
00:30:22.440 --> 00:30:24.440
it would have made more sense. But now it's really

614
00:30:24.680 --> 00:30:26.920
hard to imagine anybody else the clean.

615
00:30:27.400 --> 00:30:29.680
Well, I mean, for for a fresh audience that's not

616
00:30:29.799 --> 00:30:33.759
as used to the species. It could have caused some

617
00:30:33.839 --> 00:30:40.640
confusion with Vulcan, right, because always they're so similar. There

618
00:30:40.640 --> 00:30:42.319
could be people that were new to it to say, like,

619
00:30:42.359 --> 00:30:45.200
I don't get it. So there's like Vulcan good guys

620
00:30:45.200 --> 00:30:47.799
and Vulcan bad guys, right, I know, there's well a

621
00:30:47.799 --> 00:30:50.640
lot more separating them, but I don't know if every

622
00:30:50.640 --> 00:30:53.160
audience could have could have picked up on that.

623
00:30:53.359 --> 00:30:54.079
That's a good point.

624
00:30:54.960 --> 00:30:56.759
There were a lot of new designs for this in

625
00:30:56.759 --> 00:30:58.559
this film. I mean, it wasn't just Lingons, you know,

626
00:30:58.599 --> 00:31:02.000
we had they pretty mu put everything, new new phasers,

627
00:31:02.079 --> 00:31:07.319
new triquarders, communicators. Look the Klingons, they got guns and

628
00:31:07.400 --> 00:31:10.599
the knife. That's all brand new, brand new ships. Everything,

629
00:31:11.079 --> 00:31:13.200
everything was designed fresh for this film.

630
00:31:13.440 --> 00:31:15.680
That space station even look really good in this one.

631
00:31:15.759 --> 00:31:18.519
Oh yeah yeah.

632
00:31:17.559 --> 00:31:19.839
Space Yes, they looked so good.

633
00:31:20.680 --> 00:31:23.880
I just don't know. I get the idea of the

634
00:31:23.960 --> 00:31:27.759
name space Doc, but open the space doors. It feels

635
00:31:27.799 --> 00:31:29.920
like they could have spent like maybe ten more minutes

636
00:31:30.319 --> 00:31:32.799
to name it something else. Otherwise it sounds like go

637
00:31:32.920 --> 00:31:34.680
to the batcave, to the bat computer. You can get

638
00:31:34.680 --> 00:31:35.319
the bad things.

639
00:31:35.359 --> 00:31:36.680
Like, right, we get it.

640
00:31:36.759 --> 00:31:38.880
We're in space, we worked there. We don't need everything

641
00:31:38.920 --> 00:31:43.599
to be space something right. And new designs. I think

642
00:31:44.000 --> 00:31:47.039
the design of Excelsior. I guess Scotty would disagree, But

643
00:31:47.160 --> 00:31:49.759
I like the look of Excelsior I do too.

644
00:31:50.279 --> 00:31:53.720
Yeah yeah, that and the Grisome. I like the design

645
00:31:53.759 --> 00:31:56.839
of the science ships too. Whoever designed these ships, and

646
00:31:56.880 --> 00:31:59.319
I don't remember it is they did a phenomenal job.

647
00:31:59.799 --> 00:32:02.039
You know, those ships were used so many times over

648
00:32:02.039 --> 00:32:05.119
they like twenty thirty years of the of the Star

649
00:32:05.200 --> 00:32:05.799
Trek series.

650
00:32:06.160 --> 00:32:09.039
Well, and aside from the danger we see on the screen,

651
00:32:10.000 --> 00:32:12.640
apparently there's some danger behind the scenes. That I wasn't

652
00:32:12.640 --> 00:32:16.799
aware of. Apparently there was a big fire at Paramount Studios.

653
00:32:17.160 --> 00:32:18.240
Yeah, that's that's right.

654
00:32:18.400 --> 00:32:18.680
Yep.

655
00:32:19.880 --> 00:32:22.240
I heard that William Shatner helped to fight it and

656
00:32:22.319 --> 00:32:28.319
rescue a crew member. Yeah, more reinforcements arrived. It sounds

657
00:32:28.359 --> 00:32:30.680
like his main motivation was to save a day edge

658
00:32:30.799 --> 00:32:33.119
of shooting because he had to get back to t J. Hooker.

659
00:32:33.319 --> 00:32:37.839
But he wasn't doing that at this time, wasn't he.

660
00:32:37.960 --> 00:32:41.000
Yeah. I mean, next time, maybe leave that out. You

661
00:32:41.039 --> 00:32:43.759
don't have to say, you know, I did it to

662
00:32:43.799 --> 00:32:45.160
save a damn production for TJ.

663
00:32:45.240 --> 00:32:45.559
Hooker.

664
00:32:45.640 --> 00:32:47.720
Just say, of course they saved a.

665
00:32:47.640 --> 00:32:51.359
Person from a fire. Yeah, but glad you did it anyway.

666
00:32:51.160 --> 00:32:54.160
Yeah, they didn't they determine that that fire was arson.

667
00:32:54.240 --> 00:32:55.599
I wonder what the rest of that story was. I

668
00:32:55.599 --> 00:32:58.200
wonder if they ever found out who started it or why.

669
00:32:59.039 --> 00:33:01.119
Ingurious about that, I have to it was it was

670
00:33:01.119 --> 00:33:03.880
in because William Shatton wrote a book that's where the

671
00:33:04.079 --> 00:33:07.920
whole quotes and stuff from about him saving the fire,

672
00:33:08.160 --> 00:33:09.839
saving or saving stuff in the fire.

673
00:33:09.880 --> 00:33:11.559
But I gotta read that book.

674
00:33:11.559 --> 00:33:13.799
It's been a long time since I seen I'm I'm

675
00:33:13.839 --> 00:33:14.799
curious about that now.

676
00:33:15.720 --> 00:33:18.599
It was probably Geene Roddenberry because he got bared from.

677
00:33:20.920 --> 00:33:21.119
See.

678
00:33:21.160 --> 00:33:22.920
I was gonna say it was the Romulins because they

679
00:33:22.920 --> 00:33:24.799
were like, I see, fine, we're not going to get

680
00:33:24.799 --> 00:33:29.319
our movie up your shaft. What other behind the scenes

681
00:33:29.440 --> 00:33:30.680
tidpits do you have about production?

682
00:33:31.400 --> 00:33:36.400
Well, you know, the Klingon outfits were new, because you know,

683
00:33:36.440 --> 00:33:38.039
they had the ones they made for Star Trek the

684
00:33:38.039 --> 00:33:40.119
motion picture, but they had lent him out to the

685
00:33:40.160 --> 00:33:44.000
people who are making more Coan Mindy and just destroyed them,

686
00:33:44.039 --> 00:33:45.440
so they had to make all new ones.

687
00:33:46.160 --> 00:33:55.079
Oh geez, oh, Mark, I knew, now, I do know.

688
00:33:55.119 --> 00:33:57.799
There's a if you watch the opening credit at the beginning,

689
00:33:58.519 --> 00:34:01.960
there is a longer pause between Williams. Shattner and to

690
00:34:02.000 --> 00:34:05.519
forced Kelly's name because that's where Leonard Nimoy's name was

691
00:34:05.519 --> 00:34:06.079
should have gone.

692
00:34:06.880 --> 00:34:08.599
And they noticed that your.

693
00:34:08.599 --> 00:34:10.760
Attention to that next time you watch it, they did,

694
00:34:10.880 --> 00:34:12.800
because then right after that they start going really quick.

695
00:34:13.760 --> 00:34:17.440
Interesting. Yeah, I had read about that tidbit after seeing it,

696
00:34:17.480 --> 00:34:18.840
and I was like, great, and I have to watch

697
00:34:18.840 --> 00:34:22.239
it again, at least just the first credits. But no,

698
00:34:22.360 --> 00:34:24.119
I think there's a lot of clever decisions like that

699
00:34:24.199 --> 00:34:26.440
from I assume that leonardinmoy had a hand in that

700
00:34:27.239 --> 00:34:30.000
a lot of clever decisions, aside from the fact that

701
00:34:30.679 --> 00:34:33.000
for a movie that has his name in the title,

702
00:34:33.840 --> 00:34:36.599
we don't really see Spock until the very end of

703
00:34:36.599 --> 00:34:39.840
the movie, which makes sense because the search for Spock

704
00:34:39.880 --> 00:34:43.599
has to have a destination of finding Spock. But he

705
00:34:43.639 --> 00:34:47.840
gets maybe like what five minutes of screen time. I mean,

706
00:34:47.920 --> 00:34:51.280
unless you count all the other Spocks no offense, Carl

707
00:34:51.320 --> 00:34:55.039
Steven and all the other that Y trade Spock growing up.

708
00:34:55.159 --> 00:34:57.280
But you know what I mean, it doesn't count. It's

709
00:34:58.239 --> 00:34:59.199
literallymore nothing.

710
00:35:01.400 --> 00:35:04.119
And I think we already mentioned that up your Shaft scene.

711
00:35:04.400 --> 00:35:06.280
I love the fact that Leonard Nimway is the voice

712
00:35:06.320 --> 00:35:07.039
of the turbolift.

713
00:35:07.440 --> 00:35:09.880
Yeah, and you can clear you can clearly hear if

714
00:35:09.880 --> 00:35:12.840
you're paying attentions that it's definitely Yeah.

715
00:35:14.079 --> 00:35:17.239
So in the ending credits, apparently that voice is listed

716
00:35:17.280 --> 00:35:21.800
as Frank Force. I wonder if he chose that name.

717
00:35:21.880 --> 00:35:25.760
That sounds like that sounds like one of Zartan's guys

718
00:35:25.760 --> 00:35:26.880
trying to get into g I.

719
00:35:26.920 --> 00:35:32.039
Joe, why do you do that? Just Just put Leonard Nimboy.

720
00:35:32.039 --> 00:35:34.119
Who cares, right, I mean, at this point, it's not

721
00:35:34.119 --> 00:35:36.159
like the internet is finding out like, oh wait, he's

722
00:35:36.199 --> 00:35:39.199
the voice of the Turbolift. Just just do it. Maybe

723
00:35:40.320 --> 00:35:45.639
he had aspirations for working on Transformers one day. Well

724
00:35:48.280 --> 00:35:51.840
all right, So going back to Christy Alley, so apparently

725
00:35:51.840 --> 00:35:58.000
she had negotiations negotiating the contract with Paramount. They didn't

726
00:35:58.039 --> 00:36:04.000
offer any other options for other sequels. Apparently it sounds

727
00:36:04.000 --> 00:36:05.760
like she wanted a lot of money, which led to

728
00:36:05.800 --> 00:36:08.559
her being dropped and being replaced by Robin Curtis.

729
00:36:09.000 --> 00:36:12.880
It makes me wonder, though, I mean, you guys might

730
00:36:12.880 --> 00:36:13.880
be able to know this better than I do.

731
00:36:14.840 --> 00:36:16.039
Was this was start?

732
00:36:16.239 --> 00:36:18.440
When did she start in Cheers? Do you ever remember

733
00:36:18.480 --> 00:36:20.320
what year she started with? This wasn't Star Trek four

734
00:36:20.440 --> 00:36:23.599
was before that? Or start Star Trek three was before that?

735
00:36:23.719 --> 00:36:24.079
Wasn't it?

736
00:36:24.400 --> 00:36:25.480
I think it was this.

737
00:36:25.599 --> 00:36:28.840
Is eighty four, Yeah, because she didn't join to what

738
00:36:29.079 --> 00:36:30.559
third or fourth year of Cheers?

739
00:36:30.639 --> 00:36:32.320
Yeah it was something like that. Yeah.

740
00:36:32.519 --> 00:36:35.719
Yeah, so yeah, this was This would have been before Cheers,

741
00:36:35.800 --> 00:36:37.679
before she got popular because of that show.

742
00:36:38.119 --> 00:36:38.360
Yeah.

743
00:36:38.400 --> 00:36:42.320
So, I mean I don't understand where her stances of

744
00:36:42.400 --> 00:36:46.480
asking for that much money. Yeah, I'm just gonna be frank, Greg,

745
00:36:46.519 --> 00:36:48.960
you know, it doesn't seem like at this point she

746
00:36:49.119 --> 00:36:52.559
was that big of an actress, right, So I wonder

747
00:36:52.639 --> 00:36:55.119
what was going on there. I mean, you know, was

748
00:36:55.119 --> 00:36:57.159
it was it her that was pushing It was it

749
00:36:57.280 --> 00:36:59.400
her agent that was pushing that?

750
00:37:00.239 --> 00:37:00.400
You know.

751
00:37:01.039 --> 00:37:03.079
I would be curious to learn a little bit more

752
00:37:03.119 --> 00:37:07.039
about the background of that fact.

753
00:37:07.400 --> 00:37:09.039
Yeah, I think you're right, there's gonna be more to this.

754
00:37:09.679 --> 00:37:12.199
And it's also just a pity because I think this

755
00:37:12.360 --> 00:37:15.840
is basically the end for Savak. We do see her

756
00:37:15.840 --> 00:37:18.519
in the next movie briefly, which we'll talk about next time.

757
00:37:20.079 --> 00:37:22.000
But I wonder if she maybe had thoughts of, like,

758
00:37:22.039 --> 00:37:24.679
we're talking about Star Trek here and apparently there's a

759
00:37:25.360 --> 00:37:28.960
you know, enough fandom behind it to say that this

760
00:37:29.039 --> 00:37:33.079
is going to continue going unless somebody, you know, really

761
00:37:34.119 --> 00:37:37.039
does something horrible like chasing God with a starship or

762
00:37:37.079 --> 00:37:40.079
something like that. I don't know, but she may have

763
00:37:40.159 --> 00:37:43.960
had thoughts of like, I could take this quite a

764
00:37:44.079 --> 00:37:46.000
quite a long way if I get in here, so

765
00:37:46.039 --> 00:37:49.519
it's worth me negotiating for a higher price. Knowing that

766
00:37:49.559 --> 00:37:53.440
Savic is now becoming more of an integrated character. It'd

767
00:37:53.480 --> 00:37:55.440
be interesting to see that alternate video start to see

768
00:37:55.440 --> 00:37:58.280
if she would have been right if she had been

769
00:37:58.400 --> 00:38:01.159
Savak in this movie, if she would have maybe had

770
00:38:01.159 --> 00:38:05.000
a bigger role in uh, the next one. I kind

771
00:38:05.000 --> 00:38:06.760
of doubt it that it feels like the right place

772
00:38:06.800 --> 00:38:09.639
to say goodbye to Savage. I think it's a shame

773
00:38:09.679 --> 00:38:12.559
that we never see her again, but you know, the

774
00:38:12.679 --> 00:38:15.280
universe isn't closed yet, so we'll see what happens.

775
00:38:15.920 --> 00:38:18.199
It's not, but it would it not have been interesting though,

776
00:38:18.239 --> 00:38:20.440
to see her had joined the crew for Voyage Home.

777
00:38:21.400 --> 00:38:26.119
Yes, ye, yeah, that's true. I'll go to that alternate

778
00:38:26.119 --> 00:38:28.639
reality video store and put that in the put that

779
00:38:28.679 --> 00:38:29.159
in the bag.

780
00:38:29.360 --> 00:38:32.480
That would be fun to see, it would.

781
00:38:32.280 --> 00:38:34.920
Well, especially seeing her and Spock having to navigate San

782
00:38:34.920 --> 00:38:41.800
Francisco both hiding right exactly. Yeah, Well, let's take a

783
00:38:41.880 --> 00:38:43.639
quick break. I know we're coming up on time, so

784
00:38:44.480 --> 00:38:46.719
let's take a quick break before we get back into

785
00:38:47.039 --> 00:38:49.119
some what ifs. We obviously have to talk about the

786
00:38:49.159 --> 00:38:52.360
score and just a few easter eggs dimension bear it back.

787
00:38:55.639 --> 00:38:59.320
All right, we're back. We mentioned what are the what ifs?

788
00:39:00.440 --> 00:39:03.599
When I think you had mentioned it before, the possibility

789
00:39:03.599 --> 00:39:10.079
of ever James almost being kruged instead. I guess the

790
00:39:10.280 --> 00:39:14.440
idea was that he was that Christopher Lloyd was a

791
00:39:14.480 --> 00:39:18.960
little bit more physically intimidating than ever James Almost, which

792
00:39:18.960 --> 00:39:23.119
I can see, but apparently then almost was later offered

793
00:39:23.199 --> 00:39:25.559
another role in another series.

794
00:39:25.960 --> 00:39:29.480
Right, interesting enough? Yes it was, Yeah, it was Picard.

795
00:39:30.280 --> 00:39:35.000
Yes, again, I can't say I wouldn't be interested in

796
00:39:35.000 --> 00:39:37.440
seeing that. I do think we're living in the best

797
00:39:37.440 --> 00:39:40.599
reality because at least in some ways, because we did

798
00:39:40.639 --> 00:39:44.599
get Patrick Stewart as Johnick Brigard. But it would be

799
00:39:44.639 --> 00:39:47.239
interested to see that play out in both those roles.

800
00:39:47.440 --> 00:39:49.159
Right, Well, we did in a way.

801
00:39:49.199 --> 00:39:51.320
We did kind of later on you know, twenty years

802
00:39:51.400 --> 00:39:52.679
later on Battlestar Galactaga.

803
00:39:52.960 --> 00:39:53.400
Exactly.

804
00:39:54.199 --> 00:39:55.519
That's true. That's true.

805
00:39:56.199 --> 00:39:59.480
So he did get an opportunity, so just not Star Trek,

806
00:39:59.559 --> 00:40:00.679
but still a great show.

807
00:40:00.920 --> 00:40:04.159
I don't struggle to go any other what come to mind?

808
00:40:04.559 --> 00:40:05.360
I think what was it?

809
00:40:05.480 --> 00:40:09.079
Nicholas Meyer asked to direct this, but he could quickly

810
00:40:09.119 --> 00:40:13.199
turned it down because you know, he thought Fox Dash

811
00:40:13.239 --> 00:40:15.760
that have remade final, So I think that was his. Like,

812
00:40:16.039 --> 00:40:19.360
I don't want anything to do with this, really, but

813
00:40:19.400 --> 00:40:22.679
I mean he did come back from Discovered Country obviously, yes, and.

814
00:40:22.639 --> 00:40:24.840
I'm very grateful for that me too. Yeah, we'll talk

815
00:40:24.880 --> 00:40:25.599
about that in a while.

816
00:40:25.960 --> 00:40:30.280
Yeah, well, you know, we talked briefly about that the

817
00:40:30.320 --> 00:40:32.760
original treatment. Either they're really unlike a lot of the

818
00:40:32.800 --> 00:40:34.840
other films, there really wasn't like lots of drafts for

819
00:40:34.880 --> 00:40:36.679
this film to really talk about.

820
00:40:36.800 --> 00:40:37.800
But you know.

821
00:40:37.760 --> 00:40:42.320
That that treatment that Bennett wrote with the Romulans actually

822
00:40:42.360 --> 00:40:46.559
is rather interesting. You know, it had them finding the

823
00:40:46.559 --> 00:40:49.960
Genesis planet rich in di lithium, and so they go

824
00:40:50.000 --> 00:40:53.679
and they start mining the planet until all the miners

825
00:40:53.800 --> 00:40:57.960
are killed by a feral spock. And then of course

826
00:40:58.119 --> 00:41:00.960
the Valcans, you know, they hear about the Tennessee's device.

827
00:41:01.000 --> 00:41:04.360
They're just absolutely horrified to discover that the Federation had

828
00:41:04.360 --> 00:41:09.119
created a potential weapon. So they are looking to secede

829
00:41:09.119 --> 00:41:12.599
from the Federation. So Kirk and his crew would have

830
00:41:12.599 --> 00:41:17.199
went to Vulkan and to face them and negotiate. I

831
00:41:17.199 --> 00:41:19.400
don't think it would have worked as well. It sounds

832
00:41:19.400 --> 00:41:22.119
a little bit too political of a film to be

833
00:41:22.280 --> 00:41:25.280
like the second part of a trilogy, but it's still

834
00:41:25.320 --> 00:41:26.519
a very interesting idea.

835
00:41:27.079 --> 00:41:29.400
I do like the sound of a feral fuck Thode.

836
00:41:30.280 --> 00:41:32.840
Going around killing everybody I know that anybody else thinking

837
00:41:32.880 --> 00:41:35.239
of like a wolverine spuck mash up just.

838
00:41:35.199 --> 00:41:38.320
The yeah or even a ramboth buck come on.

839
00:41:40.199 --> 00:41:42.400
Well, the reason why they didn't go with this story

840
00:41:42.519 --> 00:41:45.199
wasn't that you know, Paramount hated it or or it

841
00:41:45.239 --> 00:41:48.400
was bad. It was because it was leaked out to

842
00:41:48.440 --> 00:41:52.719
the fans. So you know, Bennett really quick and did

843
00:41:52.760 --> 00:41:55.840
some very extensive rewrites and that's what we ended up

844
00:41:55.880 --> 00:41:56.559
seeing on screen.

845
00:41:58.159 --> 00:42:00.199
So he had to wait for that headband moment when

846
00:42:00.199 --> 00:42:02.280
he rips the robe in the next movie and ties

847
00:42:02.280 --> 00:42:05.400
it around his stead exactly Aryl Rambo moment.

848
00:42:05.559 --> 00:42:05.800
Yep.

849
00:42:08.199 --> 00:42:09.679
Well, one of the things that we always love to

850
00:42:09.719 --> 00:42:14.559
talk about here, David, Wayne, especially, let's talk about the

851
00:42:14.599 --> 00:42:16.079
score with James Horner.

852
00:42:16.800 --> 00:42:20.280
Yeah, he's back for the next one. Obviously. We know

853
00:42:20.320 --> 00:42:21.480
he did the Wrath of Con.

854
00:42:21.679 --> 00:42:26.599
Yes, very similar themes in this one that he brings

855
00:42:26.599 --> 00:42:29.679
from Con that you can hear throughout it. I know

856
00:42:29.840 --> 00:42:33.280
he conducted one hundred and five piece orchestra and it

857
00:42:33.320 --> 00:42:40.239
took I think one week to record this score. Wayne,

858
00:42:40.239 --> 00:42:43.360
you know my love of James Horner. Oh yeah, again.

859
00:42:43.480 --> 00:42:45.920
My only complaint is he likes to cheat steal from

860
00:42:45.960 --> 00:42:48.199
himself from time to time, and you still get some

861
00:42:48.280 --> 00:42:51.920
of that in here. I don't think it's as strong

862
00:42:52.360 --> 00:42:55.119
as his score from the Wrath of Khan, but I

863
00:42:55.159 --> 00:42:56.039
still enjoy this.

864
00:42:56.039 --> 00:42:57.159
Score, don't get me wrong.

865
00:42:59.280 --> 00:43:03.119
In this score, you're starting to hear his action adventure

866
00:43:04.039 --> 00:43:08.400
music starting to come out, more stuff that he's going

867
00:43:08.480 --> 00:43:11.519
to use later on, and like the Rocketeer, you're starting

868
00:43:11.559 --> 00:43:14.920
to hear more of that now and that I love

869
00:43:15.039 --> 00:43:18.480
that absolutely. And we also get some more themes from him.

870
00:43:18.599 --> 00:43:21.400
You get like a Vulcan theme, you get the a

871
00:43:21.519 --> 00:43:26.159
Klingon theme, and you even get a starfleet theme that

872
00:43:26.239 --> 00:43:29.280
he has created for this. So I when you look

873
00:43:29.320 --> 00:43:31.119
and really break down the score, he did a much

874
00:43:31.280 --> 00:43:34.199
better job with his exploration of the score itself in

875
00:43:34.199 --> 00:43:36.559
this one that he did CON. I just think CON

876
00:43:36.679 --> 00:43:38.880
was just a little bit more loud and out there,

877
00:43:38.960 --> 00:43:40.880
if that makes sense it does.

878
00:43:41.039 --> 00:43:44.480
I agree with you one hundred percent. I like the

879
00:43:44.559 --> 00:43:47.480
fact that you know the consistency, the continuity of the

880
00:43:47.480 --> 00:43:50.679
scores between two and three, though you know his reuse

881
00:43:50.719 --> 00:43:52.880
of the themes and his creation of the new themes.

882
00:43:53.079 --> 00:43:56.119
I really wish that they would have continued on and

883
00:43:57.280 --> 00:44:01.079
had him score four. The only reason he didn't score

884
00:44:01.119 --> 00:44:04.639
four is because you know, Nimoy really wanted to use

885
00:44:04.719 --> 00:44:06.519
rosam and he wanted to use Rosamund in this film,

886
00:44:06.519 --> 00:44:10.559
but Paramount said, no, that's a pity he couldn't have

887
00:44:10.559 --> 00:44:12.960
done the whole trilogy because some of his themes are great.

888
00:44:13.000 --> 00:44:16.519
I love his h the theme when the Burda pre

889
00:44:16.719 --> 00:44:20.400
Is is flying into Balkan, that then such, that's gorgeous music.

890
00:44:20.440 --> 00:44:23.559
And then when they're stealing the enterprise, which I think

891
00:44:23.559 --> 00:44:25.760
that's the name of the title, stealing a enterprise, that

892
00:44:25.880 --> 00:44:28.079
whole it's a really long queue and I just love

893
00:44:28.119 --> 00:44:31.719
that's that's Hornered. Now, you know, when he did start

894
00:44:31.719 --> 00:44:33.480
Tar two, that was like way at the beginning of

895
00:44:33.519 --> 00:44:35.679
his career. But now he's got films under his belt

896
00:44:36.000 --> 00:44:38.440
and he's developed his style and his sounds that he

897
00:44:38.440 --> 00:44:41.440
would continue on throughout his career, and you know, I

898
00:44:41.559 --> 00:44:44.280
just he just develops the theme so well in this.

899
00:44:44.280 --> 00:44:48.519
Film, and he's he's getting close to his Alien's score,

900
00:44:49.400 --> 00:44:54.440
which is one of the best action sequence cue piece

901
00:44:54.480 --> 00:44:55.239
of music.

902
00:44:55.400 --> 00:44:58.239
In all of film in my opinion for sure.

903
00:44:59.280 --> 00:45:02.280
And that's only a couple of years away from this one. Yeah,

904
00:45:02.280 --> 00:45:05.119
So you're starting to hear him explore those themes and

905
00:45:05.239 --> 00:45:08.719
getting bigger and believing himself. You're really seeing that on

906
00:45:08.760 --> 00:45:11.559
the big screen here, And you're right, Wayne, I mean

907
00:45:11.880 --> 00:45:14.079
Wratha Kam was his first one on the big screen

908
00:45:14.400 --> 00:45:18.400
and here he's getting a little bit more confidence in himself.

909
00:45:18.440 --> 00:45:19.360
And you can see that here.

910
00:45:19.960 --> 00:45:22.400
And it's a popular score. You know, it's been released

911
00:45:22.400 --> 00:45:25.440
four times over the years. You know, it's original release

912
00:45:25.480 --> 00:45:30.400
in eighty four, GMT Crescendo released it in nineteen ninety

913
00:45:30.400 --> 00:45:34.519
on CD, and then twenty ten Film Score Monthly released

914
00:45:34.559 --> 00:45:38.719
the complete score, and then in Trata again released the

915
00:45:38.719 --> 00:45:42.079
complete score for you know, back in twenty twenty two.

916
00:45:42.440 --> 00:45:46.559
So you know it's still available. Go get it. I

917
00:45:47.480 --> 00:45:48.880
got David one for Christmas.

918
00:45:48.880 --> 00:45:49.320
So great.

919
00:45:50.800 --> 00:45:52.480
It's just it's a great score.

920
00:45:53.519 --> 00:45:56.280
In a movie like this where it's a continuation of

921
00:45:56.440 --> 00:46:00.079
the original series cast. Seems kind of odd to ask

922
00:46:00.119 --> 00:46:02.599
about East eggs, but I'm curious if we've found any.

923
00:46:03.119 --> 00:46:05.719
Oh yeah, well, they're more like film facts and Easter eggs.

924
00:46:05.800 --> 00:46:08.360
Although now we're starting to you know, they're starting to develop.

925
00:46:08.400 --> 00:46:12.719
Those triples are in this. Come on, now there's this.

926
00:46:13.719 --> 00:46:14.400
You're right there are.

927
00:46:15.960 --> 00:46:18.199
Guy, that guy that's talking to McCoy in the bar.

928
00:46:19.239 --> 00:46:24.039
Oh like this. They function of Yoda kind of thing that.

929
00:46:23.199 --> 00:46:24.679
That is like one of the most cringe moments of

930
00:46:24.719 --> 00:46:26.840
this movie, a little bit that character.

931
00:46:26.920 --> 00:46:29.280
Yeah, I kind.

932
00:46:29.079 --> 00:46:34.199
Of like the the whole canteena scene. It's kind of

933
00:46:34.280 --> 00:46:35.239
I think it's kind of fun.

934
00:46:35.360 --> 00:46:38.239
But I was surprised to see the triples though. I

935
00:46:38.280 --> 00:46:40.280
was like, how do you have tribles in a bar

936
00:46:41.400 --> 00:46:44.960
that aren't just taking the place over? Like one plate

937
00:46:45.000 --> 00:46:46.199
of wings and it's that's.

938
00:46:46.039 --> 00:46:55.079
It, right, Yeah, true, all right, Well, the producers wanted

939
00:46:55.119 --> 00:46:58.079
to keep the destruction of the enterprise's secret in order

940
00:46:58.119 --> 00:47:02.480
to shock the audience, but the Paramount executives decided otherwise,

941
00:47:02.519 --> 00:47:04.800
and they use it as the main selling point in

942
00:47:04.840 --> 00:47:05.880
the trailers and.

943
00:47:05.760 --> 00:47:11.440
Shook clips the destruction of the Enterprise. Harv Bennett, he objected,

944
00:47:11.519 --> 00:47:14.239
but he had to try to have the trailers change,

945
00:47:14.599 --> 00:47:17.639
but ultimately it was Paramount's call and the shots stayed.

946
00:47:17.679 --> 00:47:19.079
So there went that surprise.

947
00:47:21.039 --> 00:47:23.079
The events of this film take place in the year

948
00:47:23.159 --> 00:47:26.159
twenty two eighty five. It's not really mentioned in the film,

949
00:47:26.280 --> 00:47:30.119
but that date was confirmed on screen in the first

950
00:47:30.159 --> 00:47:34.079
episode of the second season of Star Trek Picard, where

951
00:47:34.159 --> 00:47:37.159
we see the commemorative plaque of the USS Excelsior, showing

952
00:47:37.239 --> 00:47:40.760
the date of its original commission. This is the first

953
00:47:40.800 --> 00:47:44.199
time we actually hear Chekhov say anything in Russian in

954
00:47:44.239 --> 00:47:45.159
this film.

955
00:47:45.840 --> 00:47:48.679
Which seemed like an odd choice right in that moment.

956
00:47:49.039 --> 00:47:51.679
I mean, it's kind of like, sure, Scuta knows Russian,

957
00:47:51.760 --> 00:47:53.559
but otherwise it's like, Checkov, what are you doing? Man?

958
00:47:53.960 --> 00:47:55.960
It is kind of odd for that character, especially, you know,

959
00:47:56.000 --> 00:47:59.559
as I said, he hadn't done it before. The enterprise

960
00:47:59.639 --> 00:48:02.760
is distrdes that were used here the exact same ones

961
00:48:02.800 --> 00:48:05.199
that were used in the original series episode Let That

962
00:48:05.280 --> 00:48:10.519
Be Your Last Battlefield. There were three main scenes that

963
00:48:10.679 --> 00:48:14.360
they shot and decided to cut from the film. There

964
00:48:14.400 --> 00:48:17.199
was a conversation between Kirk and McCoy and a turber lyft.

965
00:48:17.400 --> 00:48:21.400
The second one showed the crew carrying Spock's body up

966
00:48:21.440 --> 00:48:24.480
the steps at Vulcan and a young Vulcan girl coming

967
00:48:24.559 --> 00:48:27.199
up to them and telling Spock to live long and prosper.

968
00:48:27.840 --> 00:48:31.079
And the final was a long shot in the Vulcan

969
00:48:31.159 --> 00:48:33.280
Hall of Ancient Thoughts during the ceremony at the end

970
00:48:33.280 --> 00:48:35.760
of the film. All three of those scenes were cut

971
00:48:35.800 --> 00:48:41.039
because Nimoy felt they ruined the pacing of the film.

972
00:48:41.199 --> 00:48:44.159
On June twenty third, nineteen eighty four, Star Trek three

973
00:48:44.239 --> 00:48:46.599
was shown at the White House to President Reagan, and

974
00:48:46.760 --> 00:48:50.360
I quote after dinner we saw Star Trek three. It

975
00:48:50.400 --> 00:48:51.119
wasn't too good.

976
00:48:53.679 --> 00:48:54.039
I like.

977
00:48:55.960 --> 00:48:58.840
Star Trek three to search for Spot had its broadcast

978
00:48:58.920 --> 00:49:03.159
network television on ABC on September twenty eighth, nineteen eighty seven,

979
00:49:03.960 --> 00:49:08.000
only because that evening's Monday Night Football was delayed because

980
00:49:08.000 --> 00:49:11.480
of a strike that year, which happens to be the

981
00:49:11.599 --> 00:49:15.960
exact same day that Encounter Farpoint aired the pilot episode

982
00:49:15.960 --> 00:49:21.480
of the Next Generation inter And unlike Star Trek two,

983
00:49:22.079 --> 00:49:23.840
Star Trek three had quite a bit of tie in

984
00:49:23.920 --> 00:49:27.280
merchandise to go along with it. We got the novelization

985
00:49:27.440 --> 00:49:31.000
by Vonda in McIntyre that was released right at the

986
00:49:31.000 --> 00:49:33.079
same day that the film was released. We've got a

987
00:49:33.119 --> 00:49:38.039
read along storybook and a record released by Winna Vista Records.

988
00:49:38.519 --> 00:49:41.800
We got official movie magazine poster magazine released by star

989
00:49:41.840 --> 00:49:45.719
Log DC Comics, who at the time held the license

990
00:49:45.760 --> 00:49:47.960
for Star Trek. They published a comic adaption to Star

991
00:49:48.000 --> 00:49:50.960
Trek three, which included a lot of those deleted scenes

992
00:49:51.000 --> 00:49:53.000
that I mentioned, and had a wonderful cover by Howard

993
00:49:53.039 --> 00:49:57.559
Chaikin On top of all that, Eardle Toys released a

994
00:49:57.559 --> 00:49:59.840
line of action figures for Star Trek three. This would

995
00:49:59.880 --> 00:50:02.559
be their first attempt at releasing any action figures and

996
00:50:02.920 --> 00:50:07.119
included Captain Kirk, Mister Spock, Scottie, and the Klingon Leader

997
00:50:07.320 --> 00:50:08.800
And that was the actual names that we use on

998
00:50:08.800 --> 00:50:12.079
the cards, as well as a line of die cast

999
00:50:12.119 --> 00:50:15.320
spaceships of the Enterprise, the Klingon, Burda Prey, and the Excelsior.

1000
00:50:15.880 --> 00:50:19.559
It wasn't a bad line, but kids just weren't crazy

1001
00:50:19.559 --> 00:50:21.840
about them, so they didn't make any more figures until.

1002
00:50:21.639 --> 00:50:23.159
Star Trek five came out.

1003
00:50:23.840 --> 00:50:26.599
Faza Games released a Star Trek three source book supplement

1004
00:50:26.679 --> 00:50:31.320
for their popular role playing game, and finally, Taco Bell

1005
00:50:31.360 --> 00:50:35.119
got into the game with four fancy looking glasses, released

1006
00:50:35.559 --> 00:50:37.920
one a week for sixty nine cents with the purchase

1007
00:50:37.960 --> 00:50:39.400
of a large or medium drink.

1008
00:50:40.559 --> 00:50:40.760
Yeah.

1009
00:50:40.760 --> 00:50:45.039
According to their overly peppy commercial that aired on TV,

1010
00:50:45.199 --> 00:50:48.960
the four glasses were named Spock Lives, Klingon Courage, The

1011
00:50:49.000 --> 00:50:52.039
Fate of the Enterprise, and the Secret of Faldor Pain.

1012
00:50:52.960 --> 00:50:56.239
That's how they pronounced it faldor Pain on the commercial.

1013
00:50:58.880 --> 00:51:02.880
Alrighty, then, well, Dave, I've got a question for you.

1014
00:51:03.320 --> 00:51:05.440
Yes, as we wrap this up, if you could be

1015
00:51:05.519 --> 00:51:08.159
any woman in this film, who would it be? And why?

1016
00:51:08.840 --> 00:51:09.119
Oh?

1017
00:51:09.159 --> 00:51:16.039
Man, I would probably have to go with horror. She

1018
00:51:16.079 --> 00:51:17.800
gets some she gets some moments, and she gets to

1019
00:51:17.840 --> 00:51:23.440
shine important moments I might ad And she doesn't have

1020
00:51:23.519 --> 00:51:25.960
to worry about being on the enterprise as it's trying

1021
00:51:25.960 --> 00:51:29.159
to escape or it's try getting blown up. She just

1022
00:51:29.199 --> 00:51:32.119
gets a nice easy trip to Volcan to meet the

1023
00:51:32.159 --> 00:51:35.559
crew as they come back with Spock. So yes, it's

1024
00:51:35.559 --> 00:51:37.159
a horror and she was badass.

1025
00:51:37.360 --> 00:51:39.280
Oh yeah, she has to push her on Mister Adventure.

1026
00:51:39.719 --> 00:51:42.360
That's got to be fun. Wayne, What about you? What

1027
00:51:42.360 --> 00:51:43.239
would be your choice?

1028
00:51:43.719 --> 00:51:44.039
Well?

1029
00:51:44.639 --> 00:51:47.000
I wouldn't want to go through anything that's like Kirk

1030
00:51:47.039 --> 00:51:50.239
Spocker McCoy goes through in this film, And I don't

1031
00:51:50.239 --> 00:51:52.440
want to be check off because did you see what

1032
00:51:52.519 --> 00:51:58.559
he was wearing in this film? So I guess I'm

1033
00:51:58.559 --> 00:52:01.320
going to have to share that body with David if

1034
00:52:01.400 --> 00:52:04.880
he can say you're her. You know, she just has

1035
00:52:04.880 --> 00:52:07.440
that it. She just has it easy in this film.

1036
00:52:07.480 --> 00:52:09.119
You know, she has that little fun with the Mister

1037
00:52:09.159 --> 00:52:11.960
Adventure and then she gets to go straight to Vulcan

1038
00:52:12.000 --> 00:52:13.800
and time for the ceremony. Shouldn't have to do all

1039
00:52:13.800 --> 00:52:17.719
that fighting and lava on Genesis. Yeah, I'm I'm gonna

1040
00:52:17.719 --> 00:52:18.599
go with sir too.

1041
00:52:20.000 --> 00:52:20.880
Well tell about you.

1042
00:52:21.239 --> 00:52:23.039
Well, this is a bit on the nose, but I

1043
00:52:23.039 --> 00:52:26.440
gotta go with my main man, Scottie. He gets to

1044
00:52:26.639 --> 00:52:30.320
sabotage the Excelsior and rig the Enterprise to fit his needs.

1045
00:52:31.440 --> 00:52:33.639
He has plenty to do in this one. Not a

1046
00:52:33.639 --> 00:52:37.000
lot of immediate danger, I guess, and just some great

1047
00:52:37.039 --> 00:52:42.000
lens too up up your chaftist. The one that kind

1048
00:52:42.039 --> 00:52:45.159
of threw me for a loop. If my grandmother had wheels,

1049
00:52:45.199 --> 00:52:49.920
she'd be a wagon. And I was just like, what

1050
00:52:49.920 --> 00:52:52.760
what what that? That's not something that rolls off the

1051
00:52:52.800 --> 00:52:55.719
tongue for somebody. That's not something that's just like a colloquialism.

1052
00:52:55.719 --> 00:52:58.239
I don't think. No, I don't know. Listeners tell me.

1053
00:52:58.239 --> 00:53:01.079
If I'm wrong. But I ever heard that in the world.

1054
00:53:01.320 --> 00:53:04.400
So there's one other thing I want to mention that

1055
00:53:04.599 --> 00:53:09.639
has me confused. So you got this huge ship Enterprise,

1056
00:53:10.079 --> 00:53:13.360
You've got what four people on board? Five people m

1057
00:53:13.960 --> 00:53:16.079
and you signal that we have to go to red alert?

1058
00:53:17.400 --> 00:53:18.119
Who are you telling?

1059
00:53:18.760 --> 00:53:22.079
Who are you telling? Everybody? On that ship is a

1060
00:53:22.159 --> 00:53:24.719
weird That's true, that's true.

1061
00:53:25.000 --> 00:53:28.400
What always confused me is that is such a ship

1062
00:53:28.679 --> 00:53:31.039
state of the line, such a big ship, I mean

1063
00:53:31.079 --> 00:53:35.000
the top of starfleet. You know, so many engineers put

1064
00:53:35.039 --> 00:53:38.159
all this effort into building the cel s sewer and

1065
00:53:39.119 --> 00:53:42.360
what Scotty disabled it just by pointing out some spark plugs.

1066
00:53:42.440 --> 00:53:45.119
I hope that they all went back to the drawing

1067
00:53:45.159 --> 00:53:47.719
board and fixed that after that, because that is one

1068
00:53:47.920 --> 00:53:49.719
hell of a flaw for a starship.

1069
00:53:50.719 --> 00:53:53.079
It's got to be in the meeting, on the on

1070
00:53:53.119 --> 00:53:54.639
the list for that meeting, they've also got to be

1071
00:53:54.639 --> 00:53:56.800
talking about Okay, now who put all these rocks here?

1072
00:53:57.599 --> 00:54:00.239
And why are we storing them all overhead compartments?

1073
00:54:00.320 --> 00:54:03.519
Just in the chair, get rid of the pink chair.

1074
00:54:05.400 --> 00:54:07.440
Somebody with a writing crop comes in and says, now

1075
00:54:07.480 --> 00:54:12.280
we've got to change something here. Well, David Wayne, thank

1076
00:54:12.320 --> 00:54:15.440
you so much for joining me for another trip around

1077
00:54:15.440 --> 00:54:16.199
the sun with this one.

1078
00:54:16.519 --> 00:54:18.840
It's always fine, absolutely.

1079
00:54:19.199 --> 00:54:22.320
And as always, thanks to our listeners for joining us. Uh.

1080
00:54:22.440 --> 00:54:25.320
Just a reminder that haling frequencies are always open for

1081
00:54:25.360 --> 00:54:28.400
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1082
00:54:28.400 --> 00:54:31.280
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1083
00:54:31.320 --> 00:54:34.199
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1084
00:54:34.280 --> 00:54:36.800
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1085
00:54:36.840 --> 00:54:39.679
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1086
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1087
00:54:42.400 --> 00:54:50.199
for another episode of Phasers. Set to sun. Right, I

1088
00:54:50.199 --> 00:54:52.280
have a random question because I don't want to pop

1089
00:54:52.280 --> 00:54:53.519
it up in the middle of the chat and then

1090
00:54:53.519 --> 00:54:55.880
everybody's like, what the hell's HOFF been talking about? What

1091
00:54:56.400 --> 00:54:59.119
does anybody else remember some kind of a craze, whether

1092
00:54:59.159 --> 00:55:05.559
it's the Spot Lives shirts. No, I guess I'll get

1093
00:55:05.559 --> 00:55:07.880
that out of the script. I remember there's some kind

1094
00:55:07.880 --> 00:55:10.440
of craze of a bunch of T shirts that said

1095
00:55:10.480 --> 00:55:13.360
Spock Lives, but I didn't know if it was like

1096
00:55:13.440 --> 00:55:15.280
between the movies there were a bunch of people that

1097
00:55:15.320 --> 00:55:17.920
were rallying for Spock, or if it was this movie

1098
00:55:17.960 --> 00:55:21.079
people were all excited. But since nobody knows what the

1099
00:55:21.119 --> 00:55:22.719
hell I'm talking about, I'm gonna get rid of it.

1100
00:55:22.840 --> 00:55:25.280
I mean, yeah, I don't remember that at all, so I.

1101
00:55:25.320 --> 00:55:27.199
Thigur way it would be like, oh, yeah, I've got that.

1102
00:55:27.519 --> 00:55:29.559
I know I was been waiting for it, but no, no,

1103
00:55:29.719 --> 00:55:31.360
well I went I mean even went through all the merchandise.

1104
00:55:31.400 --> 00:55:33.079
I don't remember seeing that, Scott.

1105
00:55:33.079 --> 00:55:35.239
What you sinking to me about twenty minutes So that

1106
00:55:35.280 --> 00:55:37.559
we can make sure we get our commercial break in.

1107
00:55:38.440 --> 00:55:41.519
I will flash you after twenty minutes. Whoa whoa, whoa,

1108
00:55:41.599 --> 00:55:45.719
whoa whoa Wait, whoa movie sign? We've got movies sign