Oct. 1, 2024

Phasers Set To Stun: Star Trek Insurrection

Phasers Set To Stun: Star Trek Insurrection
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Season 5Phasers Set To Stun

On "Phasers Set To Stun," we recognize the popularity of all things Star Trek, with a look at the television shows, animation, movies, and more. On this episode, our crew continues to delve into the films starring The Next Generation cast with a conversation about Star Trek Insurrection.

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Space the Final Frontier. Join us for a bold conversation

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our prime directive to recap our favorite Star Trek shows,

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both new and old, to engage and debate about all

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things Trek. Prepare to energize with Phasers Set to Stunt.

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Hello, listeners, and welcome to a new episode of Phasers

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Set to Stun, where we continue to show our love

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for everything Star Trek in this ongoing series from a

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film by podcast which focuses on every system of the

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expanding Star Trek universe by covering television, movies, animation, directors, merchandise,

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and so much more. Flooding your course on this voyage

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is your Core Truk crew. I'm Wayne Whiten, I'm.

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David Burnef, and I'm Scott Hoffn.

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And today we're warping back to the late nineteen nineties

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December eleventh, nineteen ninety eight to be exact, and taking

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a close and detailed look at the ninth entry into

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the Star Trek film franchise, Star Trek Insurrection. This is

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the third film to start the next Generation cast and

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was written by Rick Berman and Michael Pillar and directed

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once again by Jonathan Franks. Scott why don't You Give

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us a short summary of the film to remind us sure.

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So, the Federation is about to cross the line that

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the Enterprise crew is unwilling to cross, and the result

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is an insurrection. We find ourselves on the paradise planet

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of the Baku, which is an undiscovered garden of Eden

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that grants its inhabitants eternal youth thanks to an orbiting

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ring of metaphysic particles. While their advanced society has warp capabilities,

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they simply have no interest or need in anything beyond

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enjoying every moment on their planet, and rightly so. However,

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another group aligned with the Federation that calls themselves the Sona,

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have much more selfish plans in mind. They plan to

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forcibly relocate the Baku so they can steal the rejuvenating

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metaphasic particles with a process that would ravage the planet

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and ruin their paradise. When Picard learns of this plot,

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he defies his orders and takes a stand to save

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the Baku. It's a movie that finds the Federation thinking

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twice about their decisions, then gives the crew some unexpected

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gifts along the way. Although it's not everyone's favorite star

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Trek movie. It's an important entry in the Next Generation saga.

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Well, you know, after a First Contact was a critical

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and financial success, Paramount wanted to change things around, and

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you know, they asked for this new film to be

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lighter in tone, you know, similar to what they had

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gotten with the Star Trek four Voyage Home. This time

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they asked Michael Pillar, the creator and the showrunner of

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Star Trek de Space nine, to write the scripts. Let's

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start with David, what did you think? What was your

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initial opinions on Star Trek Insurrection.

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So, after coming off of First Contact and we get this,

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to be honest with you, I was let down by

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this film.

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I know now twenty years later, I love it.

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Don't get me wrong, I still think it's the third

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best of the Next Generation films. But to be honest

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with you, it really felt like a At times it

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felt like a TV episode, especially the way it opens

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and begins. We have these great openings that we have

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with Generations. We have this great opening with First Contact

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with the music and the title credits and stuff like that,

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and then we get this very feels like tady TV

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mini series opening with Insurrection.

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Again.

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Don't get me wrong, I like this movie. I just

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felt it did not live up to where we had

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with First Contact.

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I feel like I had a little bit of disagreement here.

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Well it might be it might be a disagreement. However,

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I'm on with Dave. I feel like this is one

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that had to kind of grow on me. I'm pretty

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sure I saw this in the theaters because I would

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have been really excited for it, but I remember feeling

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kind of let down by it for those same kind

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of reasons. I feel like Randall from Clerks too would

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probably have hated this movie because it's got so much walking.

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It feels like Star Trek in the Shire meets the Hobbit.

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You know, there's a lot of like easier paced kind

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of things, and that's not necessarily a bad thing, but

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it feels like in this era of Star Trek, maybe

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there was an expectation that there was going to be

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more action, I feel like, you know, with First Contact.

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But also I feel like around this time, Deep Space

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nine was getting into a little bit more of the

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dominion or kind of ideas. So there's kind of that

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tone set of an action move to expect when you're

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looking at cinematic Star Trek. It doesn't have to be

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that way, and I think there's good decisions they made

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with this, but yeah, at first, it just kind of

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fell flaut, like, Okay, I saw an episode Wayne, what

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about you?

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Yeah, well, you know, I do agree with with both

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of you on a few of those points. It did

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feel like an extended TV series episode.

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And I know a lot of people said that.

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I personally don't find that a problem though, just because

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after First Contact, and of course First Contact is always

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going to be my favorite of the next generation films.

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I actually put this one as second, but because you

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know it star Trek. First Contact was was an incredible film.

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It was also very heavy film, you know, with with

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the Borg, very confined, very dramatic, intense that I like

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just the light heartedness and the open, you know look

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of this film, and I think the cast are just

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phenomenal in it, you know, they there's some great dialogue.

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I do agree, though, and I think this is one

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of the reasons to why I like it. It's the

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wrong reason, but I think this film is a great

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example of style over substance. It looks fantastic, it sounds fantastic,

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but the script isn't quite up to what it could be,

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but I still really like it.

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No, I mean there's elements of this movie that I

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really really enjoy and they felt very cinematic at times.

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So I mean, I don't want to say I don't

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want to tell the film completely apart because I did

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like it, and there's a lot of stuff that I

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found humorous. You got the chemistry again with the cast

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that is perfect and spot on everywhere, and you know,

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we get the Riker maneuver, which I absolutely love. It's

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one of my favorite scenes in the entire movie. But

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the one thing it desperately missed out on is industrial

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light and magic.

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I know that they were super busy. They were working

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on The Phantom Menace and something else I believe, so

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couldn't do this film. Granted, there are something that look

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really good cgi wise, but there are other things you're like,

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you're kind of cringey at times, and you're like, this

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is almost stuff we would have seen in an episode.

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And again I'm not putting down episodes, you know, because

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of budget reasons and stuff like that, they did a

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really fantastic job, but for a cinematic piece, they could

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have done a lot better a job here and I

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felt that really pulled me out of film at times.

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But speaking of visual effects, you know, they were You're

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right about IO, I'm not being able to do it.

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But the company that did work on it was a

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company called Blue Sky and also a Santa Barbara Studios,

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and they're no small companies.

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They worked on some really big films.

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Blue Sky worked on Blade and also did Armageddon very

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recently before this, and they helped out. They did the

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first season of Star Trek Enterprise, which I can see

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that because the visual effects are pretty similar now looking

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at it. And you know, Santa Barbara Studios worked on Generations.

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They're the ones that did the bottle through space that

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crashed on the Enterprise D at the beginning that the

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titles sequence, plus they did the title sequences for or

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the CGI elements of the title sequences for Deep Space

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nine and Voyager. But yeah, well I think a lot

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of it too is this was the first film that

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was almost entirely done CGI and at the point in

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time that was rather.

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Odd for us.

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And it looks still very early, I mean really was

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still very early in CGI.

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I mean, look what they can do today. But they

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did a decent job.

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Yeah, I mean, it's it's tough when it's kind of

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written large up on the big screen, right. I think

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when I'm watching it, it's not like any of the

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downsides to the CGI are really so apparent because I'm

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either watching it on my phone or I'm watching it

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on the television. Some of the elements that felt odd

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to me CGI wise were the death of Dougherty and

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the Lost in Space pet that the kid was carrying

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around the little lobby whatever that was.

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That thing was.

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It's funny you mentioned that because you know, I think

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Lost in Space was the same year, and the visual

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effects are weren't that great in that film?

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Oh my, when you look at those two, it's like

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a visual effects masterpiece. But I will give them credit.

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They made a lot of advances in how they were

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handling the effects, and I think I think things like

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the death of the Dierity it seems a little odd

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because it just seems like somebody's applying a stretching effect,

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like when I'm always kind of stretching out its like,

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but it gets the idea cross it does what it's

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supposed to do. Having the tiny little hamster pet. It

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serves the function of the little hamster pet. I think

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it's probably just having a little hamster pet is what's

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kind of bothering me, right, that it's one of those

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like cuddles, No, I have to go back and save

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my pet hamster. That's admirable and in the in the

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mind of a kid, that probably makes perfect sense, but

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come on, man it okay. So yeah, I think it

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probably could have benefited from a little bit more ILM flair.

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But I think in general, a lot of it is

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just the the villains that we have don't seem very menacing.

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They have a very nefarious plot that has somehow you know,

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dazzled the Federation to just go along with their plans

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without understanding the science. Well I'm sure we'll talk about

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that at some point.

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Yeah, a lot of that too was because and I

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don't think this Spike team as clear as it should

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have been in the film. You know, the Federation or

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Starfleet was in the middle, I mean really smack in

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the middle of the Dominion War and were short on supply,

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short on ships, short on people. I mean they took

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a lot of death and destruction if you remember on

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Deep Space nine. So they were and I'm not saying

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it's right because it's not. I mean, obviously that's part

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of the storyline, but you know, they were willing to

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overlook some of the bad stuff about the sauna, and

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I just don't think that came off very clear other

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than I think what was one or two lines it

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was mentioned about it was.

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Mentioned that was about it blown over.

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Which is an interesting point, Wayne, because it is in

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Deep Space nine when they are in the Dominion War

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and obviously we see the repercussions of one of their

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more questionable decisions in Piccard season three, So it is

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right around that time when it's like the Federation isn't

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necessarily always perfect, and sometimes they're not even very federation

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like overlooking the prime directive and just saying we don't

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know how it works. We just trust that it does. No,

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you don't, not if you're a science based organization. But

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you know that desperation is you know, maybe an element

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of it. And you know, a time when we're seeing

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you know, the heroes like Piccard saying that that's not

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the federation they believe.

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In, and you know, speaking of all of this too,

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you know, we saw everything that was happening on Deep

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Space sign and how devastating it was to Starfleet and

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the Federation, and it makes you wonder, you know, what

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was the Enterprise doing during this war? And we got

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this and it doesn't look like they're doing anything. I mean,

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it is Starfleet keeping them out, you know, off to

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the side, and why, you know, why are they doing

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this mission? What you know, why aren't they there at

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the front lines? And it's none of that's answer ever.

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Yeah, they did a really poor job of that. I'll

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definitely agree with that.

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Well, maybe there is a lot of technological importance assigned

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to the utene chef Ah species that they were willing

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with chrysanthemums and balsamac vinigarette. That's right. It does seem

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kind of odd, and that they'd be able to pull

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Wharf out of his station where he is now talking

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about like, you know, the importance of that. It seems

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like he would be critically important to be there.

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Yeah, he would.

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Speaking of that scene too, which I kind of like

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the opening scene. I like the dialogue that was written.

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But we got the debut of those new sharp starflee

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dress uniforms, the white, the white. Yeah, you know, what

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do you guys think about those? I I personally loved him.

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I did too.

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I thought that was a nice new touch. And then

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they really stood out and looked good.

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And absolutely a lot better than the dress uniform the

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dress uniform dresses that they had in generation.

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But they came a long way, that's for sure.

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Well, and I think Picard did a good job of

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handling the bejeweled lumber bund that they had to be

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in his head like just like, okay, I put this

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out of my head.

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Sure, Yeah.

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I like when he was like he was motioning for

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the crewman to come out and all he did tell

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the chef to skip the fish course.

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Yeah, I do feel like it's it's a little interesting.

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We're into our our third movie with Data in it.

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It is starting to feel like a lot of these

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scripts start with we open on Data malfunctioning.

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Well, that was a lot of episodes do, wasn't it.

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They would have learned their lesson by this point. I mean,

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when when they found out Data had something had happened

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with Data, I wouldn't expecting like the roll the rise

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of like God, here we go again.

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Yeah, Well, isn't there even a line when they're like

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is it his emotion ship and He's like, no, he

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left it behind this time, and I was like, okay, well,

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probably a good idea, but also he can do that,

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like are the missions where he's just like, I don't

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really need to feel in anything on this one. I'm

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just gonna put it in the cupboard. Good for him.

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And you know this, this is also the second time

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we've seen these like duck blinds that Starfleet have to

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observed planets, and I don't know, I just don't like that.

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It seems so creepy, you know, them them the idea

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of the Starfleet and the it's like spying or eyeballing

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all these planets and stuff. I didn't like it the

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first time. I'm trying to remember the name of the

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episode was Who Watches the Watchers or.

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Something like that.

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Yeah, something like that.

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It didn't go very well there, and it doesn't go

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very well here. They need to stop that, I agree.

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Speaking of which, and that's interesting, I didn't think of

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this until you just mentioned it. But is it the

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Treaty of Algernon that makes it so they can't use

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cloaking technology?

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Yes, I believe I believe that is.

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Yeah, so there's twice in this episode that they technically

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violate that or is it only apply it to ships.

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Only ships apparently?

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Well, yeah, yeah, you know, of course if you remember

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from d Space nine too, that's uh you know, they

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were allied with the Romulans during the war and they

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were kind of a little uh lax with that that

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law or that rule because remember the Defiant had the

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cloaking device too, So I.

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Don't yeahs like maybe after this mission they just underlined

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certain parts of that treaty to say this is why.

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Because it's super creepy. Yeah, and people can use it

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to just abduct people in the blink of an eye

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and ID even tell them that they're gone. That seems

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ultra creepy.

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I did have one major problem with this film that

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I just can't let it go. I do not like

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a bidless Wriker.

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You're like Troy, Yeah, you say, yes, now there are you.

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It was different when during the first season of TNG,

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but seeing him now, what's twenty or no ten years

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later now now?

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Yeah, No. I did love the chemistry between Danna and him.

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Yes, I love the playfulness, the romance and stuff that

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was going on. You know, when they were sitting there

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doing the research and she's like rubbing the back of

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his neck. And I loved all of that, and you're

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finally seeing that connection between the two of them really

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start to grow. Obviously we know where it's going to

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end up between the two of them, but I like

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that a lot. I thought that was probably some of

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the best part of this film.

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Oh, I agree. I agree.

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You know, it's something we all wanted we never really

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got much in the series. I was glad that they

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were heading in that direction well.

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And the timing of it is really well done because

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we have that happening before they get to the planet,

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so it's not just a byproduct of the of the

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metaphysic particles or whatever, right, And he even acknowledges that

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in the line to say, like, do you think we're

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still going to feel the same way even after we leave?

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And I think it's a great touch to have Wharf

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kind of give him that reassuring line where he's like,

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come on, you guys have been close before this. It's

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not the particles, Like go for it. Considering that he

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had the relationship with Troy and if this is happening

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at the time relative to Deep Space nine when he

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had just lost Jad Zia. He'd be going through a

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tough time, so good job for good job on worth

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doing that, Dave. I understand what you meaning. It's just

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weird to see them without a beard, really strange.

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I remember seeing that the theaters when that happened. Oh no,

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we're going backwards.

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No, no, at least gotta on that light about smooth

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as and androids.

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But and then Data goes there and rubs it.

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I love that they changed the script. I guess there

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was a line that Data was supposed to say. And

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I think if it was Brent Spinder that had any

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kind of influence on that scene to just make it

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a nonverbal just to like shake his head and be like,

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M not quite.

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Yeah.

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You know, there were a lot of deleted scenes for

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this film. You know, many of them can be found

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on the film's Blu ray and DVD release. But I

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want to mention, and I brought this up a couple

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weeks ago to YouTube, but I'll tell the listeners there

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was one scene that we actually filmed that, you know,

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I wish that they would have kept in the film,

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And it takes place at the end of the film

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after the Sona have been defeated and Picard and the

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Enterprise Coup are saying their goodbyes on the planet and

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Quark from Deep Space Nine appears on the planet. He's

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fully decked out in a fringy swimsuit looking to sell

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at vacation time time shares on the planet. You know,

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he gets into an argument with Picard and the card

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orders Wharf to drag him back to Deep Space nine

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with him. This was fully shot and cut laid into

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the stages of the editing, but you can still find

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pictures the footage. I have not been able to find

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it all. I don't think it's available, but it's a

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really funny scene. I wish they would have kept that

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in the film because it would have made a very

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nice little cap at the end of the film.

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I would have seen that.

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Well, I think it's a smart idea to talk about,

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so what happens to this planet afterward, because it is

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a fountain of youth, right, and it's not necessary to,

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you know, disrupt the buck Who's life by having a

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bunch of vacationers that are looking for rise to two

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point zero or whatever. But you know, commercially, I'm sure

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the FERINGI probably could have helped to regulate how to

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you know, once people know about that planet, how to

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how to use it in various ways. Like you mentioned

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the Dominion where that was going on at this time

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and having so many injuries and so many casualties and

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things like that. Seeing what happened with Jordi, it seems

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like medically there'd be a lot of positive applications, not

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needing to move the particles at all, but just have

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like a hospital set up on that planet.

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Yeah, it would be a good idea, but I think

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I think the big worry is there would be a

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lot of races, a lot of planets that were looking

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to exploit, oh, absolutely exploiting image. You know, you're just

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thinking about you know, you know, like the Romulans, maybe

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the Klingons, definitely the Feringi. You know, I think they're

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just wanting to try to stop that. But you know,

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we never hear about the what happens to a lot

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of these planets afterwards. No, you know, they're going to

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have to probably protect this planet now, the Federation is

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going to have to protect it and keep watch over it.

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Yeah, although after the events of this, they probably were like,

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you know, thank you so much. Picard and crew for

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you know, helping us out. Oh, no problem. So can

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we set up like some kind of Federation hospital here? No,

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we don't like the federation.

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Get out, get out.

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Thanks so much to get out?

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Right? What do you guys think about finally using the

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Captain jod?

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Finally? Yes, that's the word. Finally.

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You know, it's been there, It's always been there, you know,

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on all the ships, well at least the Enterprise D.

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But because you remember, I remember, you could you could

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buy the model all the way back, like back to

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eighty seven. You could buy the model and it would

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come off of it. But we never ever saw it

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on the TV show.

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Nope, never.

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It was a time.

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It was a cool little ship, Yeah it was.

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And it came in handy for the the what a needy?

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Yeah, all right, we'll take a short break and then

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we'll come back and talk more about Star Trek Insurrection.

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All right, we're back, and I want to bring up

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let's talk about the ending of the film. I mean,

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how do you guys think this film ended? Are you

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happy with the ending? Do you think it didn't work?

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What's your well?

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I mean it ended with a happy one. You know,

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you know, they're getting to say goodbye. One thing, I

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have to admit, it'd be tough for me to leave, honestly.

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You know that the fact that you can pretty much

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get to live for I don't know how long forever,

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who knows.

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And I mean making that decision.

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And you know, once again the cards, like James Bond,

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he finds romance no matter where he goes, and you know,

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leaving that behind. I like the child instance too of Data.

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You know, him and the kid playing and then the

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hay there at the end and then he's sick. I

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gotta go home now, you know. So I did like that,

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and you know the crew basically to the seven of

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them and then just beating up part of the enterprise

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and leaving and just that's where we end.

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I thought it was created for this film.

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Scott, Yeah, I think there was. In terms of Data

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playing with the kid. I think there's that semi cringey,

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almost phantom menacy line where the kid goes, hey, Data,

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just remember trying to kid every day. It's like, did

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you have to say that? But no, I think I

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think it ended the right way. It did seem like

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the you know Captain Picard swing to the rescue in

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a tank top having the battle scene seemed a little

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odd where it happened. It was almost like they forgot

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to put in a you know, an action sequence and

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did that.

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Well, that's that's exactly what happened. Yeah, that really, that

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really is is exactly what happened, because they had shot

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a different ending to the one that we ultimately got,

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so but the studio and the test screenings they felt

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it was a little a little too soft, a little

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too confusing. Yeah, yeah, you know, in its card, he

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manages to disable the collector, but Ralfo escapes in his

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in a small pod and he injects into the rings,

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but then he's bombarded with the particles and starts reversing

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an age to the point where he just disappears.

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Yeah, and that's it.

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And people people were confused, you know, did he die,

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did he not die? What happened to him? They felt

475
00:24:24.599 --> 00:24:27.200
that there just wasn't enough action. So that's why all

476
00:24:27.200 --> 00:24:29.960
that's put in there. And it feels you're right, I mean,

477
00:24:30.079 --> 00:24:32.759
you hit exactly how I feel when it comes to

478
00:24:32.799 --> 00:24:36.559
the ending, is it feels like that there's the action

479
00:24:36.720 --> 00:24:39.799
is tacked in there. I don't know whether I prefer

480
00:24:40.000 --> 00:24:43.519
the original ending or this new one. You know, it

481
00:24:43.680 --> 00:24:46.240
just it doesn't feel right to me.

482
00:24:46.319 --> 00:24:49.039
But did you guys feel though that whole fight at

483
00:24:49.039 --> 00:24:52.480
the end felt like we were treading ground again from Generations?

484
00:24:53.319 --> 00:24:55.200
Yes, yes, in first contact.

485
00:24:55.440 --> 00:24:58.039
Yeah, it really felt like that all over again in

486
00:24:58.319 --> 00:25:01.079
my opinion. You know, him working on the you know,

487
00:25:01.240 --> 00:25:03.160
just as he did in Generations, you know, getting it

488
00:25:03.200 --> 00:25:05.359
to stop the timer, you know, those kind of things.

489
00:25:05.759 --> 00:25:08.200
It felt like we had already done that. So I

490
00:25:08.240 --> 00:25:09.759
remember when I first fall the thing in theater and

491
00:25:09.799 --> 00:25:12.200
that was happening. I'm like, we're having the same ending

492
00:25:12.240 --> 00:25:15.119
as Generations, you know, the same kind of fight going

493
00:25:15.160 --> 00:25:15.519
on here.

494
00:25:16.119 --> 00:25:17.119
I felt cheated with that.

495
00:25:17.880 --> 00:25:21.920
Yeah, you're right, And I mean that's straight down to

496
00:25:22.880 --> 00:25:26.400
the writing the script. I don't even think they realized

497
00:25:26.400 --> 00:25:28.480
what they were doing. That they were they were copying

498
00:25:28.559 --> 00:25:30.799
pretty much what had happened before.

499
00:25:31.119 --> 00:25:32.599
It's a pity that they did that.

500
00:25:33.000 --> 00:25:35.759
Yeah, I'm glad we didn't get the other ending, not

501
00:25:35.759 --> 00:25:39.359
necessarily because it feels soft, just because I found the

502
00:25:40.000 --> 00:25:42.279
Sona to be kind of disturbing with all the skin

503
00:25:42.319 --> 00:25:45.039
stretching and all this other you stuff. So imagine seeing

504
00:25:45.119 --> 00:25:50.559
that deaged. I mean, I guess the Staples would still

505
00:25:50.599 --> 00:25:52.640
be there, but that'd be kind of disturbing.

506
00:25:52.799 --> 00:25:58.880
Like, well, now let's talk. Do either one of you

507
00:25:58.960 --> 00:26:00.599
remember where you saw this first?

508
00:26:01.519 --> 00:26:04.920
No, I no, No, I remember seeing in the theater,

509
00:26:04.960 --> 00:26:06.440
but I don't remember what theater it was.

510
00:26:06.720 --> 00:26:07.319
No, I don't.

511
00:26:08.000 --> 00:26:10.119
Yeah, for me, it was probably an East Skater two

512
00:26:10.119 --> 00:26:15.960
seventy five cinema kind of thing. Yeah, there's not a

513
00:26:15.960 --> 00:26:17.759
lot of memories about us standout. What about you.

514
00:26:17.759 --> 00:26:20.920
I do have a memory because I went and saw

515
00:26:20.960 --> 00:26:23.559
this film like I did with probably the last four

516
00:26:23.640 --> 00:26:26.279
before this. I saw this with my mom and we

517
00:26:26.319 --> 00:26:28.200
saw it in the theater that used to be in

518
00:26:28.240 --> 00:26:31.920
the Dayton Mall. It's not there anymore, but I remember

519
00:26:31.960 --> 00:26:35.359
it very clearly because we were walking out. I think

520
00:26:35.400 --> 00:26:37.400
this is the first time she has ever said that

521
00:26:37.480 --> 00:26:41.680
she liked anything Star Trek all right, she was never

522
00:26:41.759 --> 00:26:42.160
a fan.

523
00:26:43.200 --> 00:26:45.440
I don't think. I don't think I saw it with you, David,

524
00:26:45.440 --> 00:26:46.920
which is odd because we were seeing a lot.

525
00:26:46.759 --> 00:26:49.640
Of films at that time. Yeah, but so I don't think.

526
00:26:49.680 --> 00:26:51.039
I don't think we went and saw that. I know

527
00:26:51.039 --> 00:26:52.359
we saw Nemesis together.

528
00:26:52.240 --> 00:26:54.200
We did, but we didn't see Insurrection together.

529
00:26:54.319 --> 00:26:54.599
No.

530
00:26:55.359 --> 00:26:57.920
That's always a cool moment we have a you know,

531
00:26:58.119 --> 00:26:59.640
I guess what a convert.

532
00:27:00.039 --> 00:27:01.640
That's going to say, yeah, Well, I don't know if

533
00:27:01.680 --> 00:27:04.039
I call our convert because wait until we talk about Nemesis,

534
00:27:04.039 --> 00:27:04.640
and then I tell.

535
00:27:04.519 --> 00:27:09.440
You, yes, that temporary, temporary. But when you get somebody

536
00:27:09.480 --> 00:27:13.039
to recognize, like you know, there is something probably for

537
00:27:13.119 --> 00:27:15.720
everyone in Star Trek, and when you get to have

538
00:27:15.759 --> 00:27:17.440
a moment where you're sharing it with somebody that you

539
00:27:17.480 --> 00:27:20.839
care about and they see what you have been seeing,

540
00:27:21.640 --> 00:27:23.559
that's a that's a cool moment. I'm glad you had that.

541
00:27:23.920 --> 00:27:25.039
Yeah, me doing yeah.

542
00:27:25.079 --> 00:27:28.440
And you know the well, all the films, all the

543
00:27:28.480 --> 00:27:31.240
film's first contact was the same way. You know, the

544
00:27:31.279 --> 00:27:33.200
producers have in their mind they need to make a

545
00:27:33.240 --> 00:27:37.400
film that kind of hits with all different types of audience.

546
00:27:37.400 --> 00:27:40.480
It's not just Star Trek fans, not people who are

547
00:27:40.519 --> 00:27:44.599
familiar with the show. You know, I think this film

548
00:27:44.680 --> 00:27:48.519
actually succeeded in that. I think they succeeded in that.

549
00:27:48.720 --> 00:27:50.960
I'm not saying they succeeded as a good film, but

550
00:27:51.839 --> 00:27:55.079
you know, it hit A lot of people came out

551
00:27:55.160 --> 00:27:57.319
and like the film. It's it's really if you read

552
00:27:57.319 --> 00:27:59.640
about it. The opinion on this film is fifty to fifty.

553
00:28:00.359 --> 00:28:01.000
I can see that.

554
00:28:01.119 --> 00:28:01.359
I do.

555
00:28:02.640 --> 00:28:05.039
And like I said, I don't hate this film. I

556
00:28:05.119 --> 00:28:07.359
just have problems with it, that's all. I still enjoyed it.

557
00:28:08.119 --> 00:28:11.599
Yeah, And in addition to having a script that is

558
00:28:11.599 --> 00:28:14.640
probably going to be able to reach a broader audience,

559
00:28:15.480 --> 00:28:17.440
I feel like we also really had a pretty strong

560
00:28:18.000 --> 00:28:19.440
cast in this film.

561
00:28:19.559 --> 00:28:21.000
Oh yeah, let's talk about the cast.

562
00:28:21.079 --> 00:28:23.279
Yeah, so I'm glad that we got a lot of

563
00:28:23.279 --> 00:28:26.920
the regulars back, but you have some some big names

564
00:28:27.079 --> 00:28:32.839
stepping into these roles. F Murray Abraham as Rofu. I

565
00:28:32.880 --> 00:28:35.119
was happy to hear that this is one of his

566
00:28:35.200 --> 00:28:36.000
favorite roles.

567
00:28:36.440 --> 00:28:40.039
Apparently that's surprising considering the career he's had. Yeah.

568
00:28:40.119 --> 00:28:42.920
Yeah, I mean you would think Amadeus would be. But anyway, Yeah,

569
00:28:43.160 --> 00:28:46.519
an Academy Award for that exactly. But he did play

570
00:28:46.519 --> 00:28:49.200
a really good villain in this you know, even though

571
00:28:49.240 --> 00:28:51.559
there's kind of mixed reviews on that of the villain's

572
00:28:51.640 --> 00:28:54.680
not really you know, a powerful villain that we're used

573
00:28:54.680 --> 00:28:57.240
to instead Star Trek World, I still think he did a.

574
00:28:57.200 --> 00:28:58.680
Fantastic job in this movie.

575
00:28:58.960 --> 00:29:01.759
Yeah, he played in Intelligent and he you know, he

576
00:29:01.880 --> 00:29:04.559
was ahead of ahead of everybody at all times pretty much.

577
00:29:05.839 --> 00:29:09.160
So I enjoyed that a lot out of those performance.

578
00:29:10.000 --> 00:29:13.440
I always remember when I saw the trailer, that scream

579
00:29:13.519 --> 00:29:16.920
he gives when he realized he's been tricked.

580
00:29:18.359 --> 00:29:20.880
I love that scream. As soon as it happened again,

581
00:29:20.920 --> 00:29:24.359
I'm like, yes, that's yeah. I thought Murray Abraham did

582
00:29:24.359 --> 00:29:25.119
awesome in this movie.

583
00:29:25.200 --> 00:29:26.119
Yeah, I agree.

584
00:29:26.160 --> 00:29:29.359
You know, Star Trek doesn't have many, you know, villains

585
00:29:29.640 --> 00:29:31.799
like this. You know, you got con, you got the

586
00:29:31.799 --> 00:29:34.759
Board Queen, and but when we do get these characters,

587
00:29:34.759 --> 00:29:38.559
they're they're fantastic, and he's a great example.

588
00:29:38.640 --> 00:29:39.640
He's a good actor. Anyways.

589
00:29:39.759 --> 00:29:43.319
Oh yeah, yes, yeah, I feel like Dave, I'm on

590
00:29:43.400 --> 00:29:48.319
the other side with with you on this one. His laugh.

591
00:29:49.240 --> 00:29:51.759
I feel like it's in character because it's, you know,

592
00:29:51.920 --> 00:29:55.799
thinking about this faction of the Sona as being you know,

593
00:29:56.920 --> 00:30:01.960
selfish and and kind of immature motivations behind their you know,

594
00:30:01.960 --> 00:30:04.799
what they're wanting to do. And the two times when

595
00:30:04.799 --> 00:30:08.240
I hear the scream, it sounds like an angry cat.

596
00:30:09.240 --> 00:30:11.640
Like to me, it was just like what is happening?

597
00:30:11.880 --> 00:30:12.039
You know?

598
00:30:12.279 --> 00:30:16.119
But yeah, I almost feel like I almost felt like

599
00:30:16.160 --> 00:30:18.480
the scream though, was like you know, I mean look

600
00:30:18.519 --> 00:30:21.799
at his face, and it was almost like a reflection

601
00:30:21.920 --> 00:30:24.240
of how he's feeling. Like that skin being pulled in

602
00:30:24.319 --> 00:30:26.720
something like that could not have felt great, right, But

603
00:30:26.759 --> 00:30:28.519
I feel like that that scream was kind of a

604
00:30:29.160 --> 00:30:31.079
you know, of all of that going on, and that's

605
00:30:31.079 --> 00:30:33.880
why the scream beemed awkward in my opinion.

606
00:30:34.000 --> 00:30:37.119
Yes, yes, well, it's a great point to have somebody

607
00:30:37.119 --> 00:30:41.599
who's skin, especially his forehead, is basically turned into overcooked

608
00:30:41.599 --> 00:30:46.640
parchment paper. It's just ripping. Yeah, and maybe back off

609
00:30:46.640 --> 00:30:48.880
on the skin stretches like.

610
00:30:48.839 --> 00:30:49.319
A little bit.

611
00:30:49.880 --> 00:30:53.519
You're not You're not getting any closer to the cover

612
00:30:53.599 --> 00:30:55.799
of a magazine with all that stretching. It's just not

613
00:30:56.000 --> 00:30:56.920
doing it right.

614
00:30:58.400 --> 00:31:01.960
Then we got our other main guest star on this

615
00:31:02.000 --> 00:31:06.200
movie is Donna Murphy Angie. You know, she's she's a

616
00:31:06.240 --> 00:31:09.799
two times with Tony Award winner. She's done a lot

617
00:31:09.839 --> 00:31:13.640
of stuff too, I remember remember, and she was Doctor

618
00:31:13.680 --> 00:31:17.720
Octopus's wife and Spider Man two.

619
00:31:18.480 --> 00:31:20.240
I just discovered that when I was looking at it

620
00:31:20.279 --> 00:31:22.119
up and I'm like, yeah, same person.

621
00:31:22.480 --> 00:31:25.440
Yeah, she she did a great job.

622
00:31:25.720 --> 00:31:30.000
You know, It's it's hard giving the card a love interest.

623
00:31:30.039 --> 00:31:31.440
I mean, really didn't do too much of that on

624
00:31:31.559 --> 00:31:34.839
TV show. I just other than like Bosh, but I

625
00:31:34.839 --> 00:31:37.880
think she had some chemistry with with Patrick Stewart. It

626
00:31:37.960 --> 00:31:41.640
came across really well. And then of course, you know

627
00:31:41.680 --> 00:31:45.519
there's our third guest star, Anthony Derby as Vice Admiral.

628
00:31:45.559 --> 00:31:46.920
What do you think about him?

629
00:31:47.200 --> 00:31:51.640
I think he did a great job. I think it's

630
00:31:52.279 --> 00:31:53.920
like it stands out in my head every time he

631
00:31:53.960 --> 00:31:57.240
says Dougherty out. He has a very distinct voice he does.

632
00:31:59.480 --> 00:32:02.079
You can tell that it was somebody who was acting

633
00:32:02.119 --> 00:32:04.680
on Federation orders, but you know that he had a

634
00:32:04.680 --> 00:32:06.119
little bit of reservation about it.

635
00:32:06.400 --> 00:32:06.759
M hm.

636
00:32:07.720 --> 00:32:10.440
He understands the importance of doing so, he believes in

637
00:32:10.480 --> 00:32:13.160
doing so, apparently because he's leading this whole thing, but

638
00:32:13.799 --> 00:32:15.480
you can see that there's some doubt there. So I

639
00:32:15.519 --> 00:32:16.319
think that was well.

640
00:32:16.119 --> 00:32:19.000
Played and it even came off at times it felt

641
00:32:19.039 --> 00:32:23.279
like he was performing in a way that he was

642
00:32:23.599 --> 00:32:25.640
in on it, but he wasn't, you know what I mean.

643
00:32:26.079 --> 00:32:27.880
It felt like that at times that he was in

644
00:32:27.960 --> 00:32:30.359
on it, but then then he wasn't. Then he was

645
00:32:30.400 --> 00:32:33.160
just doing something for the Federation. And then he realized,

646
00:32:33.200 --> 00:32:35.559
you know, between all his interactions with the card which

647
00:32:35.559 --> 00:32:36.440
were some of the really.

648
00:32:36.440 --> 00:32:39.480
Best scenes in this movie between those two.

649
00:32:40.640 --> 00:32:43.640
Then you realized, oh, wow, he really isn't in on this,

650
00:32:43.759 --> 00:32:45.880
and you kind of feel bad for him, But then

651
00:32:45.920 --> 00:32:47.960
you don't because you got you're just an idiot man.

652
00:32:49.240 --> 00:32:51.240
Well, that goes with most of the admirals start for

653
00:32:51.400 --> 00:32:53.480
I don't know where they get there, they're hiring at

654
00:32:53.799 --> 00:32:55.799
I guess you have to just be an idiot to

655
00:32:56.079 --> 00:32:57.720
be promoted and Starfleet.

656
00:32:57.599 --> 00:33:01.599
Apparently well way now is interesting to learn that villainy

657
00:33:01.680 --> 00:33:06.640
runs in his family because his sister in real life

658
00:33:06.720 --> 00:33:12.240
actor Anthony's Derby. His sister in law is Salom Jens Oh.

659
00:33:12.319 --> 00:33:13.839
I didn't know that, who is.

660
00:33:13.759 --> 00:33:17.039
The main female changeling founder in Deep Space nine.

661
00:33:17.240 --> 00:33:25.240
Yeah, also learned a little interesting tidbit about one of

662
00:33:25.279 --> 00:33:28.359
the extra crew members that was returning for this.

663
00:33:28.279 --> 00:33:35.759
One, Michael Horton as Lieutenant Daniels. Apparently he did some

664
00:33:36.000 --> 00:33:39.640
interesting voice ever work throughout his career, including a voice

665
00:33:39.680 --> 00:33:45.880
on the eighties Transformers series. He was Spike's technical wiz

666
00:33:46.000 --> 00:33:48.880
kid and friend Chip Chip.

667
00:33:49.960 --> 00:33:53.480
Of course I didn't know that either, well, but.

668
00:33:53.559 --> 00:33:56.400
It was nice to see, you know, a recurring character

669
00:33:56.519 --> 00:33:59.559
that hasn't been established in Next Generation but is still

670
00:34:00.079 --> 00:34:04.440
a connective thread through the It's good to see faces come.

671
00:34:04.359 --> 00:34:04.720
Back with that.

672
00:34:05.000 --> 00:34:07.079
It's nice to have that bridge cup people pop up

673
00:34:07.079 --> 00:34:08.719
every now and then that you get used to us. Yes,

674
00:34:08.760 --> 00:34:10.760
I agree with you, Scott. That's a nice touch for that.

675
00:34:11.000 --> 00:34:12.800
Yeah, definitely. All right.

676
00:34:12.840 --> 00:34:15.480
Now let's twist the story a bit, look into another

677
00:34:15.519 --> 00:34:18.480
dimension with what if, where we discussed the things that

678
00:34:18.679 --> 00:34:20.760
might have been Scott, you want to start us with

679
00:34:20.760 --> 00:34:21.159
this one?

680
00:34:21.920 --> 00:34:24.880
Yeah, so you would already mentioned two of the big ones,

681
00:34:24.880 --> 00:34:28.760
the alternate ending of deaging, RUAFU and Quarks deleted scenes.

682
00:34:30.440 --> 00:34:32.639
There was another one I thought was kind of interesting.

683
00:34:33.199 --> 00:34:35.320
There was some dialogue that was cut from the library

684
00:34:35.360 --> 00:34:40.719
scene between Riiker and Troy where they get into other

685
00:34:40.800 --> 00:34:45.199
motivations of the Sona, revealing that they apparently what they

686
00:34:45.199 --> 00:34:48.599
were going through, the toxins, the genetic modifications and whatnot,

687
00:34:48.760 --> 00:34:53.199
meant that they couldn't procreate. Now, I'm pretty sure there's

688
00:34:53.280 --> 00:34:57.119
probably another reason they're not procreating. And yeah, probably the

689
00:34:57.119 --> 00:35:01.239
whole skin stretching. Yeah, I don't know. They were really

690
00:35:01.639 --> 00:35:03.760
winning a lot of awards there, but.

691
00:35:03.719 --> 00:35:05.599
It makes you wonder why their skin they're stretching.

692
00:35:07.239 --> 00:35:10.760
No, no, no, that's why they were so angry. That's

693
00:35:10.760 --> 00:35:17.119
why he was yelling like a cat, Like stop stretching. Anyway,

694
00:35:17.480 --> 00:35:19.519
it seemed like it was interesting because it seemed like

695
00:35:19.519 --> 00:35:22.280
it tried to give them a little bit more than vanity,

696
00:35:22.320 --> 00:35:24.000
that it was a little bit more about trying to

697
00:35:24.679 --> 00:35:28.480
advance their race. But at the same time, it's like,

698
00:35:28.519 --> 00:35:32.280
but you're trying to undo it by, you know, killing

699
00:35:32.280 --> 00:35:35.599
where you came from. Like why they didn't just try

700
00:35:35.639 --> 00:35:37.800
to go back, I don't know. It just didn't make

701
00:35:37.840 --> 00:35:40.280
sense to me. But you know what about you win?

702
00:35:41.159 --> 00:35:44.000
Well, you know, this script, like like all the others,

703
00:35:44.039 --> 00:35:46.280
went through a lot of drafts to get to where

704
00:35:46.320 --> 00:35:50.519
we got. I always found the first draft to be

705
00:35:50.639 --> 00:35:53.599
rather interesting one that they wrote. But their first idea

706
00:35:53.719 --> 00:35:55.039
was the film that they were going to call Star

707
00:35:55.079 --> 00:36:00.880
Trek's Stardust a horrible, horrible name but ikes. But it

708
00:36:01.119 --> 00:36:05.280
featured Picard resigning from Starfleet after he sent to retrieve

709
00:36:05.360 --> 00:36:08.800
a population and their youth giving power and bringing them

710
00:36:08.800 --> 00:36:13.199
to the Romulins, and also had Picard being betrayed by

711
00:36:13.239 --> 00:36:15.880
a colleague of his. It's not too far off from

712
00:36:15.920 --> 00:36:18.400
what we got in the final film, And they really

713
00:36:18.440 --> 00:36:21.159
wanted to squeeze the Romulins in here, because they've never

714
00:36:21.400 --> 00:36:24.280
been a film that featured the Romulents at this point.

715
00:36:25.679 --> 00:36:26.800
And they also, I.

716
00:36:26.760 --> 00:36:29.599
Know Berman had had them do a rewrite so that

717
00:36:29.639 --> 00:36:32.559
the colleague would be Data. I don't know if I

718
00:36:32.719 --> 00:36:36.000
liked the idea of Data betraying the card. I hope

719
00:36:36.000 --> 00:36:38.079
that that would be like undone at the end there.

720
00:36:39.519 --> 00:36:41.559
And then they went, you know, in that second draft too,

721
00:36:41.599 --> 00:36:45.159
it showed up that Picard had killed Data early in

722
00:36:45.159 --> 00:36:48.000
the film and then had to reactivate him to save

723
00:36:48.079 --> 00:36:51.960
the Federation from the from the Romulins. The studio hated

724
00:36:51.960 --> 00:36:55.239
that script, thank god, told again to start all over.

725
00:36:56.000 --> 00:36:59.440
And then the third draft that they did got rid

726
00:36:59.440 --> 00:37:03.400
of the romulin and it's really close to what we

727
00:37:03.519 --> 00:37:07.280
got now. But you know, this included the Troy Reiker romance,

728
00:37:08.119 --> 00:37:11.079
the regeneration of la Forde's eye la Forge's eyes, and

729
00:37:11.360 --> 00:37:15.559
but also had a major part for Lieutenant Barkley that

730
00:37:15.639 --> 00:37:18.800
I wouldn't mind have seen. And they wanted to include

731
00:37:18.800 --> 00:37:21.599
a drift. Draft you mentioned it earlier, included quite a

732
00:37:21.599 --> 00:37:24.719
few mentions of jed z as Dex's death and the

733
00:37:24.760 --> 00:37:28.519
emotional impact it had for Wharf. But uh Rick Berman

734
00:37:28.679 --> 00:37:32.639
veto Decks were afraid that all those references to D

735
00:37:32.760 --> 00:37:38.039
Space nine would kind of alienate the average viewer. Yeah,

736
00:37:37.440 --> 00:37:41.119
that this film went through so many different names. Uh,

737
00:37:41.519 --> 00:37:44.280
before it got to Insurrection and it was Prime Directive.

738
00:37:44.320 --> 00:37:47.119
Then it was the Enemy Within, then it was Forever,

739
00:37:47.320 --> 00:37:49.400
and for a long time it was called Star Trek's

740
00:37:49.400 --> 00:37:52.639
Sacred Honor. The studio needed that one, veto that one

741
00:37:52.639 --> 00:37:54.159
because they said it sounded too religious.

742
00:37:54.599 --> 00:37:58.280
Yeah, I'm still stuck on Stardust and how terrible that.

743
00:37:58.960 --> 00:38:00.159
Could you imagine?

744
00:37:59.840 --> 00:38:02.679
You could you imagine we're here today talking about Star

745
00:38:02.760 --> 00:38:03.679
Trek's Stardusk.

746
00:38:04.199 --> 00:38:07.639
No thank you, you know, to even go off of

747
00:38:07.639 --> 00:38:09.760
what you were talking about about data killing, I mean

748
00:38:10.039 --> 00:38:12.599
the card killing data Brent Spiner wanted to be killed

749
00:38:12.599 --> 00:38:14.119
off because he felt he was getting.

750
00:38:13.880 --> 00:38:15.880
Too old for the role of data.

751
00:38:16.880 --> 00:38:20.239
But apparently Stewart is the one who kind of vetoed

752
00:38:20.280 --> 00:38:21.679
that idea, and he sent a.

753
00:38:21.679 --> 00:38:25.280
Script to Brent Spiner and it's a better lut Nix.

754
00:38:29.599 --> 00:38:31.599
Of course they would, you know, next film they would

755
00:38:31.639 --> 00:38:37.119
succeed in doing that. But oh yeah, all right now.

756
00:38:38.000 --> 00:38:40.039
Of course we can't talk about a Star Trek film

757
00:38:40.280 --> 00:38:43.400
without going into an in depth discussion about its musical score.

758
00:38:44.320 --> 00:38:47.000
Returning for his second film in a row and his

759
00:38:47.039 --> 00:38:50.719
fourth Star Trek film, is composer Jerry Goldsmith, who I

760
00:38:50.880 --> 00:38:54.159
now is becoming the sound of Star Trek and definitely

761
00:38:54.159 --> 00:38:57.159
the sound of the next generation. Here he's expanding on

762
00:38:57.199 --> 00:39:00.320
his template that he created with the First Contact, starting

763
00:39:00.320 --> 00:39:02.840
out with a new opening theme and a much softer

764
00:39:02.960 --> 00:39:06.000
and lighter score than last time. David, what do you

765
00:39:06.039 --> 00:39:07.880
think about Goldsmith's insurrection score?

766
00:39:08.639 --> 00:39:11.000
So you've hit the nail on the head there about

767
00:39:11.000 --> 00:39:11.880
the beginning there.

768
00:39:13.320 --> 00:39:16.079
It started to get elements of First Contact, but then

769
00:39:16.119 --> 00:39:19.320
it doesn't go there. You got a very gentle score

770
00:39:19.440 --> 00:39:22.239
to open up the film, and it gets a little

771
00:39:22.239 --> 00:39:24.760
powerful at times, but doesn't go, you know, to that

772
00:39:24.880 --> 00:39:26.519
higher level that you got.

773
00:39:26.360 --> 00:39:28.599
From First Contact. But it was very enjoyable.

774
00:39:28.599 --> 00:39:32.280
It matched the film and the opening of this film beautifully,

775
00:39:32.679 --> 00:39:37.119
I thought. And the music was there, but it never

776
00:39:37.239 --> 00:39:39.000
gotten in the way of the film. And I'm never

777
00:39:39.000 --> 00:39:40.519
gonna say music gets in the way of the film,

778
00:39:40.519 --> 00:39:42.079
Don't get me wrong, because Wayne, you know how much

779
00:39:42.079 --> 00:39:43.119
I love scores.

780
00:39:43.280 --> 00:39:44.159
Oh definitely, But.

781
00:39:44.199 --> 00:39:46.880
I felt like it blended so well with the movie

782
00:39:46.880 --> 00:39:50.119
through the whole thing that you almost forgot it was there,

783
00:39:50.199 --> 00:39:52.800
but you knew it was there because it helped pull

784
00:39:52.880 --> 00:39:55.559
you into the story in what was going on. So

785
00:39:55.719 --> 00:39:59.639
I felt Goldsmith did a fantastic job there because it

786
00:39:59.679 --> 00:40:03.519
didn't stand out, it felt natural to the film.

787
00:40:03.639 --> 00:40:04.960
So I thought it was perfect.

788
00:40:05.280 --> 00:40:06.920
Yep, Scott, what about you?

789
00:40:07.800 --> 00:40:11.199
Yeah, I thought it was very well done and very

790
00:40:11.199 --> 00:40:15.880
fitting for the tone and the pace of the movie.

791
00:40:16.079 --> 00:40:19.599
I was interested to learn that the original soundtrack wasn't

792
00:40:19.639 --> 00:40:22.760
as complete as the fans wanted. No, there was an

793
00:40:22.800 --> 00:40:27.559
expanded bootleg version for the longest time, Yeah, until twenty

794
00:40:27.719 --> 00:40:31.679
thirteen when they finally put out something that would make

795
00:40:31.679 --> 00:40:36.239
that original bootleg no longer necessary. That shows a lot

796
00:40:36.239 --> 00:40:38.920
of the dedication and the love to Jerry Goldsmith and

797
00:40:39.119 --> 00:40:40.400
Lewis scores for these movies.

798
00:40:41.000 --> 00:40:43.559
Yep, Yeah, I love the score of this film. And

799
00:40:43.880 --> 00:40:46.440
all even goes further and say that of his three

800
00:40:46.480 --> 00:40:49.159
star trek TNG scores that he did for the films,

801
00:40:49.599 --> 00:40:53.239
this is my favorite of the three. You know, every

802
00:40:53.280 --> 00:40:57.320
decade that Goldsmith worked, he'd like reinvented sound. The style

803
00:40:57.400 --> 00:40:59.960
that he would do, you know, the eighties was very

804
00:41:00.079 --> 00:41:02.800
action packed. You know, he had Rambo, he experimented with

805
00:41:02.840 --> 00:41:06.360
electronic scores like Hoosier's, and then here in the nineties

806
00:41:06.639 --> 00:41:11.360
he was taking a softer and more thematic approach, you know,

807
00:41:11.400 --> 00:41:14.559
which makes you know, Insurrection just screams Jerry Goldsmith in

808
00:41:14.599 --> 00:41:17.440
the nineties to me, and I love his music in

809
00:41:17.480 --> 00:41:22.960
the nineties. You know, this score in particular is very

810
00:41:23.079 --> 00:41:25.519
very similar to another score that he did that same year,

811
00:41:25.559 --> 00:41:29.719
in nineteen ninety eight, Disney's film Mulan, which is beautiful,

812
00:41:29.760 --> 00:41:33.039
beautiful to the great score, and you know, it's very

813
00:41:33.039 --> 00:41:36.400
similar in the instruments and styles that he used, you know,

814
00:41:36.440 --> 00:41:39.719
plus his themes for the sona and for the early

815
00:41:39.760 --> 00:41:42.000
scenes where they're watching the planet from the duct line

816
00:41:42.000 --> 00:41:44.840
remind me a lot of his film, an earlier film

817
00:41:44.880 --> 00:41:47.079
he did called Capricorn One. I've seen this mentioned by

818
00:41:47.079 --> 00:41:50.400
other people, but I absolutely agree, you know, his use

819
00:41:50.440 --> 00:41:55.519
of piano and his hard percussion and all the blasting brass.

820
00:41:55.559 --> 00:41:57.559
You know, I listened to this earlier today to kind

821
00:41:57.559 --> 00:42:01.159
of refresh my memory, and I still stand by it. This,

822
00:42:01.320 --> 00:42:04.000
in my opinion, is is his best score of the nineties,

823
00:42:04.039 --> 00:42:06.880
and and definitely in in the top twenty in my

824
00:42:06.960 --> 00:42:10.679
mind of his best scores. You know, as you mentioned.

825
00:42:10.679 --> 00:42:12.800
You know, the soundtrack is still out there. Guy, people,

826
00:42:12.840 --> 00:42:14.280
if you want, you want to buy it, you can

827
00:42:14.320 --> 00:42:16.519
buy both versions of it. You know, there's there's the

828
00:42:16.559 --> 00:42:18.960
original version, there's the complete version.

829
00:42:19.559 --> 00:42:19.719
You know.

830
00:42:19.800 --> 00:42:23.840
I want to quickly add, you know, thanks to Paramount themselves,

831
00:42:23.880 --> 00:42:27.800
we got the complete scores to all thirteen Star Trek films.

832
00:42:27.840 --> 00:42:30.079
Now that you know, they specifically put in order saying

833
00:42:30.119 --> 00:42:33.119
these have to be released and as a soundtrack nut,

834
00:42:33.119 --> 00:42:35.079
I want to say thank you Paramount.

835
00:42:34.599 --> 00:42:35.039
For doing that.

836
00:42:36.320 --> 00:42:39.719
You mentioned the whole thematic thing. This movie was ninety eight.

837
00:42:40.119 --> 00:42:41.960
One of my favorite scors of bild Smith was in

838
00:42:42.039 --> 00:42:44.039
ninety five, and that.

839
00:42:44.079 --> 00:42:44.719
Was First Night.

840
00:42:45.199 --> 00:42:48.320
Yes, you talk about thematic sure that he did in

841
00:42:48.360 --> 00:42:52.039
the nineties, that one stands out above all in my opinion.

842
00:42:52.400 --> 00:42:54.400
Now I get them side tracked, but yes, it quickly

843
00:42:54.440 --> 00:42:55.960
reminded me of First Night from the nineties.

844
00:42:56.199 --> 00:42:58.360
No, you're you're right, Yeah, that that is a fantastic

845
00:42:58.440 --> 00:43:00.360
score and it's again it is a good example of

846
00:43:00.400 --> 00:43:03.400
how he takes and writes themes and uses it throughout

847
00:43:03.440 --> 00:43:06.119
the throughout the score, just like a different insurrection.

848
00:43:06.400 --> 00:43:06.599
Yep.

849
00:43:06.679 --> 00:43:09.679
Absolutely, Well, let's take another break and then we'll be

850
00:43:09.719 --> 00:43:12.000
back to finish this off on our talk about Star

851
00:43:12.039 --> 00:43:16.920
Trek Insurrection. We're back again and now we're going to

852
00:43:17.000 --> 00:43:20.639
talk about our personal favorite moments in the film. You know,

853
00:43:20.679 --> 00:43:25.079
we've discussed both the film itself and the behind the scenes,

854
00:43:25.199 --> 00:43:27.880
so now let's look at what we liked about Star

855
00:43:27.920 --> 00:43:31.199
Trek Insurrection. Scott, I'll let you start off with your favorite.

856
00:43:32.760 --> 00:43:35.519
I'd have to say one of my favorite moments. There's

857
00:43:35.559 --> 00:43:37.840
another one I'll talk about soon when we get into

858
00:43:38.000 --> 00:43:39.880
you know, who would you be in the movie. But

859
00:43:41.079 --> 00:43:44.280
when Riker and Jordie are talking about what they need

860
00:43:44.280 --> 00:43:49.360
to do with ejecting the core, and Riker saying majority,

861
00:43:49.599 --> 00:43:52.000
all right, eject the cord, He's like, I just did,

862
00:43:53.000 --> 00:43:55.079
like he does it just knowing that it's what to

863
00:43:55.119 --> 00:43:58.639
do without even have to ask permission. And then that

864
00:43:58.719 --> 00:44:01.559
kind of you know that Riker gives you know, you

865
00:44:01.599 --> 00:44:03.960
can see how well this crew really works together.

866
00:44:06.159 --> 00:44:06.920
That was a great moment.

867
00:44:07.000 --> 00:44:09.280
I remember that vividly and I just laughed at that

868
00:44:09.400 --> 00:44:11.519
was like, oh man, the chemistry right there between the

869
00:44:11.559 --> 00:44:14.639
characters is phenomenal right there, because that's how it would

870
00:44:14.639 --> 00:44:15.960
work when you know each other and you work with

871
00:44:16.000 --> 00:44:21.199
the from the years. Of course, For me, my absolutely

872
00:44:21.239 --> 00:44:24.679
favorite mode of this entire film is LaForge getting to

873
00:44:24.679 --> 00:44:28.519
see a sunrise. Oh yeah, because he mentioned that, I

874
00:44:28.559 --> 00:44:31.880
believe with that first season, Yeah, and then Naked and

875
00:44:31.960 --> 00:44:34.639
now I believe it was where he mentioned that he

876
00:44:34.639 --> 00:44:36.239
would be a love to be able to see a

877
00:44:36.280 --> 00:44:39.239
sunset or a rainbow or something like that, I remember correctly.

878
00:44:40.079 --> 00:44:41.519
And the fact that.

879
00:44:41.400 --> 00:44:44.679
His eyes had healed back on this planet and he

880
00:44:44.760 --> 00:44:47.159
got to stand there and watch the sunrise.

881
00:44:47.280 --> 00:44:49.079
I thought that was phenomenal.

882
00:44:49.119 --> 00:44:52.280
It was such great character development for Jority of the Forge,

883
00:44:52.320 --> 00:44:55.000
who deserved of all the years he's been through this,

884
00:44:55.199 --> 00:44:57.760
he deserved that moment and he got it. An insurrection,

885
00:44:58.159 --> 00:44:59.280
that's by far my favorite.

886
00:45:00.039 --> 00:45:02.960
And what about you, Oh mine's when Dad asked Wharf

887
00:45:02.960 --> 00:45:10.119
if he'd noticed his boobs perking up. No, seriously, I

888
00:45:10.159 --> 00:45:13.320
think the scenes that are in the mountains where the

889
00:45:13.360 --> 00:45:18.360
crew are evacuating the Baku are just absolutely incredible, very epic,

890
00:45:18.559 --> 00:45:22.599
especially for Star Trek. You know, after we got First Contact,

891
00:45:22.719 --> 00:45:26.280
very confined film mostly taking place on the Enterprise and

892
00:45:26.320 --> 00:45:30.920
then the Bozeman village, we get this epic scope of

893
00:45:30.960 --> 00:45:34.079
the mountain setting. You know, I gotta give credit to

894
00:45:34.079 --> 00:45:39.679
the film cinematographer was Matthew Leonetti, because from beginning to end,

895
00:45:39.719 --> 00:45:42.360
this has got some beautiful shots.

896
00:45:42.440 --> 00:45:43.960
The whole thing is just beautifully filmed.

897
00:45:44.920 --> 00:45:45.119
You know.

898
00:45:45.679 --> 00:45:47.159
He's one of the best in the business. You know,

899
00:45:47.199 --> 00:45:51.000
he worked on Steven Spielberg's Polder guyst He worked on

900
00:45:51.079 --> 00:45:54.000
Fast Time at Ridgemon Hyde Commando Strange Days.

901
00:45:54.000 --> 00:45:56.599
You know, that battle too.

902
00:45:56.519 --> 00:45:59.639
With with the Sona Probes is like the centerpiece of

903
00:45:59.679 --> 00:46:03.119
the film. It's so well shot at it very exciting,

904
00:46:03.239 --> 00:46:05.760
you know. And then of course I mentioned my love

905
00:46:05.800 --> 00:46:07.639
for the score, and I love the piece of music

906
00:46:07.679 --> 00:46:08.679
that's playing with Just.

907
00:46:08.639 --> 00:46:13.360
Like you said, David, it merges perfectly with what you

908
00:46:13.400 --> 00:46:15.440
see on screen, and this is a great example right there.

909
00:46:15.719 --> 00:46:20.639
Absolutely all right, Now, let's see who we would like

910
00:46:20.719 --> 00:46:24.199
to be in the film, David, what about you?

911
00:46:24.199 --> 00:46:27.079
You know, as much as I love this character, I've

912
00:46:27.880 --> 00:46:30.079
mentioned him so many times since we've talked about the

913
00:46:30.119 --> 00:46:34.000
Next Generation, even not on the podcast, I absolutely love

914
00:46:34.039 --> 00:46:36.880
Commander Riker and I want to be Commander Riker in

915
00:46:36.960 --> 00:46:39.719
this film for the mere fact he finally gets that

916
00:46:39.760 --> 00:46:43.199
connection with Deanna Troy and the whole bathtub scene with

917
00:46:43.320 --> 00:46:44.079
Marina Surtis.

918
00:46:44.079 --> 00:46:48.639
Oh yeah, I would be okay with that, But also

919
00:46:48.320 --> 00:46:49.920
the whole.

920
00:46:49.320 --> 00:46:52.079
Scene where they're like trying to get into communication range

921
00:46:52.119 --> 00:46:54.519
with Federation and you know they had to get rid

922
00:46:54.559 --> 00:46:56.679
of the warp core and then you know they're shooting

923
00:46:56.679 --> 00:46:58.679
at him, and finally Riker gives that line we are

924
00:46:58.719 --> 00:47:01.679
through running from these basth and he just turns that

925
00:47:01.719 --> 00:47:04.760
ship around and goes right into the fight. That is

926
00:47:04.800 --> 00:47:08.880
Commander Riker, And yes, without question, I would want to

927
00:47:08.880 --> 00:47:09.320
be him.

928
00:47:09.159 --> 00:47:09.880
In this film.

929
00:47:10.079 --> 00:47:13.599
Yeah, we definitely see the Captain Riker, Yes, that we

930
00:47:13.679 --> 00:47:17.280
see in Piccard season one, right when he says there's

931
00:47:17.360 --> 00:47:21.400
nothing I would appreciate more than to you know, blast

932
00:47:21.440 --> 00:47:23.239
your tall Shire ass into.

933
00:47:23.039 --> 00:47:25.039
Oblivion or whateverthing he says.

934
00:47:25.400 --> 00:47:29.480
We see that Riker, which is beautiful for me, Dave.

935
00:47:29.519 --> 00:47:31.679
I'm gonna go back to what you were mentioning about

936
00:47:31.840 --> 00:47:37.280
Jordi getting his ia back. I can't imagine the feeling

937
00:47:37.519 --> 00:47:41.559
of having his iesight back. But I think LeVar Burton

938
00:47:42.280 --> 00:47:45.880
did an amazing job in that scene that we finally

939
00:47:46.039 --> 00:47:49.840
get him to be able to play Jordi without the prosthetics,

940
00:47:50.559 --> 00:47:56.159
and the emotion that he conveys without saying a lot

941
00:47:54.599 --> 00:48:01.599
is beautiful and heartbreaking at the same time, So applause

942
00:48:01.639 --> 00:48:06.039
to LeVar for that. Yeah, but also just his his

943
00:48:06.199 --> 00:48:10.760
command of I mean he steps into the number one

944
00:48:12.039 --> 00:48:15.519
scene in that scene with with Raker and with a

945
00:48:15.559 --> 00:48:18.239
lot of the decisions he's making, he just does a

946
00:48:18.239 --> 00:48:22.239
phenomenal job. So I choose, I choose Jordie, Wayne, what

947
00:48:22.239 --> 00:48:22.639
about you?

948
00:48:23.840 --> 00:48:26.400
I think I'm going to have to choose Wharf. You know,

949
00:48:26.480 --> 00:48:27.760
we've seen a lot of Wharf.

950
00:48:27.920 --> 00:48:28.039
Uh.

951
00:48:28.519 --> 00:48:30.280
He you know, when he moved over to deep space time,

952
00:48:30.320 --> 00:48:33.360
but he always seems so depressed and so much was

953
00:48:33.400 --> 00:48:36.599
going on. It was just a very rough time for him.

954
00:48:36.599 --> 00:48:39.079
And now he's back with the people he should be with,

955
00:48:39.159 --> 00:48:43.079
and and he's he's he seems to be happy, you know,

956
00:48:43.119 --> 00:48:45.840
he's he's in his element. He's with the people he loves,

957
00:48:45.920 --> 00:48:48.440
and you know, he's he's got a great fight. He

958
00:48:48.559 --> 00:48:51.920
just just seems so happy and and excited and and

959
00:48:51.920 --> 00:48:53.519
and I'd.

960
00:48:53.039 --> 00:48:54.920
Want to be him. I want to be him right

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there in the middle, you know.

962
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Despite the gorge.

963
00:48:58.840 --> 00:49:04.880
Yeah, right, now comes my favorite part where we dive

964
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deep into the movie and see if we can't pull

965
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out any Easter eggs.

966
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Of course we can.

967
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It wouldn't be star Trek without them now third too

968
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many of them for this one, though, I had to

969
00:49:14.239 --> 00:49:18.559
really really dig deep for these. This is the only

970
00:49:18.679 --> 00:49:22.880
Star Trek movie without any Start eight references, although the

971
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year this takes places in twenty three to seventy five,

972
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and this is the first time that we see Jordan

973
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the Forge at the helm of the Enterprise since the

974
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Neutral Zone all the way back in Next Generation's first season.

975
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This is the shortest Star Trek film, clocking out at

976
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one hundred and three minutes, and if you're wondering, the

977
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second is Star Trek three, which was one hundred and

978
00:49:43.920 --> 00:49:47.840
five minutes. Most of the sets for the Enterprise E

979
00:49:48.079 --> 00:49:52.320
were cannibalized from other areas. Troy's office, transporter room, ship's

980
00:49:52.320 --> 00:49:55.280
library were all used from the sets that were standing

981
00:49:55.280 --> 00:49:57.800
for a Star Trek Voyager, just redressed a little bit.

982
00:49:57.840 --> 00:50:01.159
They couldn't damage them too much, and the set for

983
00:50:01.320 --> 00:50:04.199
Captain Deccard's yacht is just just the DS nine Runabouts

984
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set with a little bit of changes. On the flip side,

985
00:50:07.599 --> 00:50:10.119
they built sets for the Sona ship and that would

986
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be reused as the solo bandships and Star Trek Enterprise.

987
00:50:14.679 --> 00:50:18.480
And finally we've got the Sauna. They would be mentioned

988
00:50:18.519 --> 00:50:21.199
one more time later in Deep Space nine seventh season,

989
00:50:21.480 --> 00:50:25.440
the episode Pinnumber, which shared about four months after the

990
00:50:25.480 --> 00:50:29.599
release of this film. And oh there's one last Okain.

991
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This is the last Star Trek film to have it's

992
00:50:32.320 --> 00:50:34.280
cast and crew credits at the start.

993
00:50:34.000 --> 00:50:34.679
Of the movie.

994
00:50:34.719 --> 00:50:37.360
I know, David, you love opening titles. I do, and

995
00:50:37.440 --> 00:50:38.679
you say bye bye to those?

996
00:50:39.239 --> 00:50:42.400
Yeah, I know, came it now? Dare they date that

997
00:50:42.480 --> 00:50:42.760
for me?

998
00:50:44.199 --> 00:50:48.159
There is one more Wayne, There is funny you mentioned

999
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who watches the Watchers? Yeah, there is a cloth in

1000
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the back of the cards chair. This is the cloth

1001
00:50:54.719 --> 00:50:58.559
given to him by the Mentalkens. And who watched the Watchers?

1002
00:50:59.119 --> 00:51:01.599
Oh that's right, Yeah, it always sat on the back

1003
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of his chair. He must have went back to what

1004
00:51:05.159 --> 00:51:07.639
was the planet that the Enterprise crash. Must have got

1005
00:51:07.679 --> 00:51:10.239
that with that stupid clay thing that he threw over again.

1006
00:51:13.480 --> 00:51:16.199
And that concludes our look back at the film Star

1007
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Trek Insurrection. We'd like to open a channel to our

1008
00:51:19.920 --> 00:51:23.039
listeners and hear just what you thought about this entry

1009
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into the Star Trek universe, your stories of how you

1010
00:51:26.280 --> 00:51:28.800
saw it first and your opinions of the film today.

1011
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Who knows you might even get mentioned on a future show.

1012
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Of course, you can email us at a film by

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00:51:35.320 --> 00:51:38.920
Podcast at gmail dot com, find us online at a

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1017
00:51:49.079 --> 00:51:52.639
what gims are hidden with him. Thank you again, David

1018
00:51:52.639 --> 00:51:54.960
and Scott for joining me and the listeners for another

1019
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fascinating discussion. There's only one more film appearance left for

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the Next Generation cast, and we hope that everyone will

1021
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join us again for that discussion on the next episode

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of Phasers. Set to stun, Stettle, up, lock and Load,