June 24, 2025

Phasers Set To Stun: Star Trek Into Darkness

Phasers Set To Stun: Star Trek Into Darkness
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Season 6 Phasers Set To Stun

On "Phasers Set To Stun," we recognize the popularity of all things Star Trek, with a look at television shows, animation, movies, and much more! On this episode, Wayne, David welcome long-time listener and Star Trek fan, Jason Coslet, to the bridge to discuss the second film in the Kelvin Timeline that divided the fanbase over the film's villain, Star Trek Into Darkness!

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Space the Final Frontier. Join us for a bold conversation

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our prime directive to recap our favorite Star Trek shows,

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both new and old, to engage and debate about all

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things Trek. Prepare to energize with Phasers Set to Stunt.

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Hello, listeners, and welcome to an all new episode of

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Phasers Set to Stunt, where we continue to show our

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love for everything Star Trek in this ongoing series from

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a film by podcast focusing on every system of the

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expanding Star Trek universe by covering television, movies, animation, directors, merchandise,

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and much much more. Plotting your course on this voyage

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is your ever loving Trek crew. I'm Wayne Whited, I'm

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David Burns, and today we are going to violate the

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prime directive and travel back to twenty and thirteen.

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Way Wayne, hold on, hold on, we have a hailing

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film of hailing us.

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Ah. Well, let's take this message. Let's put him on.

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Hello, you're on the air mission to come aboard. Captain.

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This is Jason KOs, lieutenant from the USS Saratoga.

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Now, as you hear, we have a special guest today.

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Scott Hoffman is currently on shore leave and you are

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listening to Jason Koslet. He is a huge Star Trek

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fan like ourselves and has been a follower of a

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film by podcast for a long time now, so it's

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great to finally have him on the show.

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Yes, it is welcome Jason, welcome to the Bridge.

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Thank you so much for having me. I very much

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appreciate it. The honor is all night.

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Well, yeah, hopefully we can have some good conversation here

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about this film. We won't because, yeah, we are talking

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about the second film of the Kelvin Timeline is the

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twelfth film in the Star Trek film film franchise. It is,

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of course, Star Trek Into Darkness, a film directed by J. J.

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Abrams from a script by writers Robert ROBERTA Orsi, Alex Kurtzman,

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and Damien Lindeloff. All right, David, why don't you start

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us off with a short summary to remind us exactly

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what happened in this film?

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Beyond the Darkness Lies Greatness. A terrorist attack occurs in

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London at a secret base that sends ripples throughout all

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the Starfleet. It is quickly uncovered who is responsible for it.

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Kirkin's back along with the Enterprise, are sent to destroy

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him in a place they least expected to go the

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home world of the Klingons. However, as Kirk captures this man,

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it is realized just how deep the treachery goes to

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the very core of Starfleet and its high ranking officials.

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But that is not all. This person who is responsible

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for that hold a secret himself, a name that many

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will know, a name new to this Kirk, but one

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that runs deep within Star Trek. And that name is con.

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Now. This film was released on May fifteenth, twenty thirteen,

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produced on a budget of one hundred and ninety million,

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and bringing in the box office total of four hundred

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and sixty seven point four million, which makes it the

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highest grossing film of the franchise. Now, for me, this

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was the first Star Trek film that I didn't see

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in the theater since Star Trek two The rapa Con

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The only yeah, the only one before that was Star

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Trek the Motion Picture, and that was because I was

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really young at the ty came out.

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I'll give you that one.

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But I didn't go see this in the theater. And

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I'm gonna be honest, I just wasn't that excited for

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from the pre publicity and from the trailers and stuff

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and everything that was taught because it was it was

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revealed very early on who the villain was, and I

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was not about this new universe walking over the previous

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Star Trek stuff, you know, So I didn't.

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Here's the funny thing for me, Wayne. They beat around

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the bush for a while about admitting Con was gonna

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be in this, and everybody knew it was gonna be

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freaking Con. I called it even walking out of seeing

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the first film. And when they knew, when I knew

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they were gonna do a second one, I had a

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feeling they were gonna go the same route and they

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were gonna bring Con into this, I wish they had

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gone a different route with the sequel. I will admit it.

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When I did see this in the theater, I was

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kind of like, I didn't know which way to go

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with it. Okay, I was kind of aggravated because I

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love the wrath of Con so much that I felt

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like they were stepping on the toes of the original crew.

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And when you get and I'm sure we'll get to

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it eventual when we talk about the film, and I'm

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curious about what Jason's gonna say, But when they did

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the reversal effect, where Kirk is the one who dies

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and saves the ship and it's not Spock, and then

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Spock is the one who says con When I saw

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that in the theater for the first time, I was like, man,

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I don't I'm very aggravated by this. I'm not a

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fan at all. And when I walked out of the theater,

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I was okay with the film. I thought it was entertaining,

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and I didn't see it again until I just watched

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it for this podcast because I had put it off

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that I did not want to see it again. But

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I will say watching it again for the first time

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since I saw it back in what was it twenty thirteen,

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I was more entertaining this time because I guess that

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kind of let the things go about. I still aggravated

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by it, Don't get me wrong, because I love the

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wrath of Khn, but I kind of let that go

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a little bit. And I was a lot more entertained

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this time around because the special effects were fantastic, the

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score was really really good, and we'll get more into

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those details a little bit, but I'm curious what Jason

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has to say about his thoughts.

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Yea, let's hear that Okay, so I will just come

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out and say I am not a fan of reboots.

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I am not a fan of remakes. Don't mess with

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it if it ain't broke. See Planet of the Apes.

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See what did they do to my Exorcist movies?

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Yes, yes, yes, so that said, I was not big

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on this film the first time that I saw it.

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Now since in order to prepare to talk to you guys.

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And that sound like a total moron, I've watched it

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like three different times in the past couple of days,

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and like you guys, as I said, I wasn't real

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big on it the first time I saw it, but

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when I rewatched it, it was just a case of okay,

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open mind, total focus, forget about what you know, forget

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about what you know. Because I tried to let go

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because I hated the first film because as you said,

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they peed.

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All over Star Trek.

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I'm sorry that is all over it, and I was

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not happy about that in the slightest that said, though,

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I tried to let all that go and just total

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open mind focus. I literally sat in front of my

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Telly alone, kicked everybody out of the house, turned the

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TV all the way up, and just like gave myself

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like a private theater experience and just allowed myself to

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get immersed in it and enjoyed it so much more.

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And I watched it again last night before I went

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to bed again and just totally allowed myself to get

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immersed in it. And what creative things that they did

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do with it as opposed to how they were peeing

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on the Star Trek that we all know and love.

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And I just I really, we all know consomaniac, we

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all know he's a psycho super genetically altered human being,

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so and so and so on, but they did so

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many more interesting things with him in this film, and

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it was just it really was amazing.

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I enjoyed the fact that he went to Kronos.

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It was cool, you know Klingons for you know, hurt

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met Klingons. I love the fact that Uhura could I

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already spink Klingon, which was very interesting to me. So yeah,

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a lot of the little knots and of course, as

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you said, the effects were beyond belief. And again I

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thought it was a very well written story, even if

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it did, like maybe take a few things from some

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some of the older Star Trek concepts, but overall, as

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I said, when I rewatched it, I enjoyed it much

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more than the first time I saw it.

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Yeah, I'm in the same boat as both of you.

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You know, of course I have the ability I can

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separate this film from the original. You know, I just

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look at it. It's an alternate universe. So I don't

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put any expectations but on how it's supposed to look.

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But after the first one, which I really enjoyed the

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first one, you know, after settling in my mind that

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this isn't this isn't the same as the original star

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Trek that I'm us, So this is a new version.

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This is an alternate version. You know, I had a

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lot of high hopes. There's so many places this film

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franchise can go, you know, we it's been a long

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time since we'd seen you know, Kirk Spock, McCoy in

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the Enterprise and you know, especially young, I mean think

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the stories are endless. So here we are, second film.

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Lots of expectations and then you know what do we get?

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We got to rehash yep. And I don't know why,

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I mean, why are you doing this? What what is

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the point of bringing all this these you know, familiar stuff,

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especially you know, why why.

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Do we have con?

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Just there's just so much more they could have done.

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And I agree, And another thing it just felt flat

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for me, it did.

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And there's another thing that really aggravated me too, is

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you don't have the history of Kirk and Con here

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at all.

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No, not at all at all.

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That's another thing I loved about The Wrath of Cohn

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because you already had that history between those too. So

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when Kirk discovers in the Wrath of Khan that it's

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it's con. I mean that was powerful, you know, in

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this man whatever, he's just another villain, you know that.

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It just it didn't have that connection that.

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Must agree, must agree.

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Yeah, because they barely touched on it. I mean they

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really barely touched on his past and the whole thing

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with eugenics wars or I don't even know if they

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even mentioned the eugenic swar. I watched it.

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They very vaguely mentioned it any time based on.

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It they did.

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Yeah, And but it's it's just like a passing mentioned.

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You know, there's there's no background, and this Con is

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so different from what we saw before that it just

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why can't it just be a different character? Agreed to

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make any sense.

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Why they had I would agree.

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Now, I don't want to take anything away from Benedett

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Cumberbat because he did a fantastic job. Yeah, the scene

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is one of my favorite things. I'm going to give

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it away is when he is talking to Kirk about,

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you know, the loss of his people and he's crying

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about it. You see the passion that why he cares

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about them so much, and it makes you almost feel

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for the villain here. And as we know, anytime you

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feel for the villain and you care about them, it

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makes them more powerful and it gets you involved in

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the story more so. I did like that aspect.

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That was awesome. That again, I'm with you, that is

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one of my favorite scenes as well.

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That was so like powerful was it was Benedett coming

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about really not out of the park on that one.

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Which would have been even more powerful had we had

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they not made the character Kahn and we hadn't already

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known that con is evil, they would have made him

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a different character that would have even had an incredibly

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more stronger impact.

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It's funny, I hate to admit it, but like when

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he finally said his name, I rolled my eyes in

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the theater.

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And the first time I saw it, I'm like, oh,

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my Jesus.

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It was like, well, duh, of course you are.

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Yeah, But you know, not to take away from the

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film anything. I thought the cast did a fantastic job. Again,

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what I liked about this is you're now starting to

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get that that vibe that they're all working together with

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one another. You know, by the end of the first

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film you got that, But in this one, with the

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way it opens, and I will say the opening of

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the film was nowhere near as good as the opening

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of the first one. Again, it didn't have the impact

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that the first one had. Its still this one was

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still entertaining. You're getting that the comedy with gold between

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some of them, especially Kurt McCoy and Spock and all

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that stuff here. But you're starting to see the crew

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mesh better here, and you're starting to get that that

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feel of the Bridge crew of the Enterprise in this one.

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Very true, very very true.

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Yeah, you get that. You know, it's really early in

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their timeline, so of course, you know, Kirk and Spock

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aren't yet the friends that we would know later on,

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So there's a lot there's still a lot of conflict,

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a lot of they don't exactly trust one another completely

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like they would. So yeah, yeah, but let's let's go

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ahead and let's let's talk a little bit about the cast.

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I mean, you're right, they're all fantastic like they were

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in the first film. I wish it would saw more

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of Simon Pegg. I didn't think he had that strong

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of a of a play in this film. But they too.

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But this the rest of the cast, the guest stars

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and were phenomenal in this film. Like you brought up

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a ben at a Cumberbatch, He's great and everything he does.

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In my opinion, Peter.

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Weller is.

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Yeah, and I will I will throw another shout out

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to Bruce Campbell.

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As as Pike. Yeah, sorry, got my name is mixed

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up and sorry about that, but yeah, Chris Greenwood, yeah,

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as Pike. He did such an excellent job of that.

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It just when I was watching, like his death scene

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just about brought me to tears. Yep, especially when I

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was rewatching it last night. I'm sitting there and I'm

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just about crying at my TV screen. I'm like, oh

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my god.

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Yeah.

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And you know, going back to what we talked about

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in the first film, his one of his favorite lines

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in that movie is when he was talking to Kirk

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about his dad being a captain for only a few minutes,

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and again in this film he has something similar that

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is really like, man, you are really good as Pike.

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It's when he was talking to Kirk again, he says,

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you don't respect the chair. You know why because you

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weren't ready for it.

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You know.

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It's so yeah, I agree with you. I think Bruce

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Greenwood was incredible in this again.

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And his death scene was probably one of the most

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powerful scenes in me in the film. Yeah, that whole

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sequence I loved, but yes, absolutely, yeah. I mean here's

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a character that they have developed that we do know,

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you know, since he's from the last film. So his

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death was a big punch for both, not just for us,

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but for the characters too, and it worked really well.

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Yeah, because I mean you got to see the raw

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emotions from Kirk, but you really haven't seen him present

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like he did there where he was crying and really

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upset her. I mean, he didn't know his dad, so

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I mean you would really look at Pike was kind

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of a father figure to him here and him losing

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that was like losing a father again. For crying out

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loud one that he really knew at this point.

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whole scene that she from start to finish.

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And then we've got our two other guests star as.

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We have Alice Eve as doctor Carrol Marcus. This again,

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just like con it was no surprise when she revealed

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who she was, right, And again I just I don't

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see the reason why we have to make Carol Marcus.

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I just didn't think they used her character to the

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fullest that they could have in this in this because

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she's she does a great job and she has a

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good actress. I've seen her. She was on The Iron

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Fist that the Netflix Marvel series, which I didn't you.

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Know, they just needed an excuse to get her in

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our underwear, right, Yeah.

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It feels like that. It feels like that. But I

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just you know, she could have played any character, any

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other character, you know. Again I don't I don't know.

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She could have absolutely when you're right.

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And then also we have No Clark playing Thomas Harewood

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in this film. I am familiar with this actor because

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he was on another TV series that I absolutely love,

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and that's Doctor.

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Who Shocker Shocker. Here I'm telling you.

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Yes.

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Actually there's there's three stars that were on Doctor Who

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in this movie. So I was just having a fest

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with this. You know, you got, I'm sure, yeah, I

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mean you got. You know, don't forget Simon Peg was

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on this of course, and and a lot of people

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don't know this, but ben at A. Cumber Batch has

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a lot of connections to the show. He played archaelogists

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Howard Carter in a two thousand and eight Doctor Who

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audio called forty five, and his mother he actually grew

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up a little bit on The Doctor Who said because

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his mother guest starred on the show three times, the

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classic series all the way back into the sixties through

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the eighties. There's a lot of stories about during Sevestan

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McCoy's first episodes of a kid that was on set

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that he would constantly entertain while they were filming. Wasn't

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until years later that he was talking about Benny.

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Because Benny, Benny and the Jets.

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Yeah, so there is something for me to love in

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this movie, obviously, obviously, So let's take a short break

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and then we'd be back for more of Star Trek

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into Darkness. And we're back, and now let's talk about

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let's dive deep a little more into this film. You

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guys have any thoughts about the scenes, any any parts

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that you really really liked, anything you want to bring

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up about the storyline or the visual effects or anything.

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On this film. One thing that I love about J. J.

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Abrams and how he is able to weave in some

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really comedy gold throughout his films, and he did that

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in the first one quite a bit. You know. One

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of those scenes I absolutely love was when McCoy was

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following Kirk around and kept getting the shot. You know,

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he's telling him, would you quit it? You know? But

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there's you get more of that comedy gold throughout this film.

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And one of the things I really like is when

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her and Spock are fighting and when goes on Yes,

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it abstutely was when Kirk is on the he's with

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the horror first before they're going up to the bridge,

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and he goes, wait, are you guys fighting? What is

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that even like? And then when they get to the bridge,

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spot is there and he goes, are your ears burning?

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You know?

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I lost it?

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Yes, I lost it.

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But then yet to go a little bit forward when

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they're on the shuttle craft and they're heading to Kronos

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and they're starting that argument there and Kirk is like,

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is this the right place to be doing this? And

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then and then he don't get me in the middle

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of this. He does get in the middle of it.

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I loved all of them. It was just comedy goal.

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Yeah, okay, So for myself, Okay, I don't know that

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either of you have ever read, like Clive Custler's Raised

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the Titanic, so and they and actually that they made.

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A movie of that.

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Yep, so remember that.

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Okay, So, which the movie sucked, but we won't go

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into that. That's another story for another time. But the

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only saving glory to that film was the shot of

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them actually raising raising the ship that when the enterprise

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at the very beginning of the movie come out from

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under the ocean to go save Spot from the volcano.

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That is what that puts me in mind of every

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time that I sit and watch this thing. And it

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just was like I'm I'm nine years old all over again,

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you know, I just I absolutely love that scene. And

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then another favorite actually is when John Harrison on whatever

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starts killing klingons on on the single handedly on the

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asteroid that that is cool. And then and actually just

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watching zoeis Hodana as her uh uh speak speak.

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Kling On to the Klingons. That just because again you

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don't in in in.

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That older Star Trek series. You don't get that until

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Star Trek six. So just seeing her so early on

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speaking Klingon, being the badass that she is and you know,

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talking to the Klingons is just it's one of my

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favorite moments of the film.

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Yeah, that when when Cohn's kicking ass to the Klingons,

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you kind of get that the camera goes with Kirk

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Kirk is watching him kicking assn KLA. Yeah, so you know,

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that was that was a cool scene. Manne. What about you, though,

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I'm curious what you what you think?

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I agree with you about the opening not being as

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strong as the original the original film, but I really

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did like the opening though, you know, despite that, I

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thought it was a great way of just, you know,

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of bringing open the film that, you know, saying that

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you know, they've already been out on adventures, they're they're

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halfway through this one. And that shot at the Enterprise

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rising up out of the water was just absolutely beautiful,

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you know, and plus the shots of Spot inside the

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volcano too.

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I loved all those in his rest es.

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Yeah, it did, it did. But all in all of

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this film, what I did like, I think the most

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was the they really have the three actors really have

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their their interactions spot on with Kirk, Spock and McCoy.

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Yes they do, agreed, agreed, you can you can just

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you know that you can tell the characters that they're

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definitely playing the characters. They're very familiar. There's a lot

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of great banter, a lot of great lines that they have.

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I love when McCoy is trying to give the the

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and the non inspection but well yeah he's he's waving

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the medical devices over.

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Kirk and the orders.

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Yeah, and all all the little the bickering in the

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argument that goes through the film with between the three,

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it's just it's just perfect. I think that that makes

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probably this film bearable for me is just watching the

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cast play these characters so well, because they do. They

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really do.

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Yes, yes, sir, they do indeed.

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And again, forgive me for stepping on you, but yeah, yeah,

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they really do such a good job. And and I'm

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gonna say this, you know again, I'm gonna go back

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to Zoe Saldana. I'm probably gonna sound like a fanboy,

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believe it or not.

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I'm not for her to step into.

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Michelle nichols shoes because Michelle Nichols. Dear Jesus, shout out

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to Michelle Nichols.

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Rip. Yep.

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She was my favorite character. Like my mother could tell

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you stories that when I was very very young, I

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would sit and watch Star Trek reruns Michelle Nichols or her.

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She was my favorite character forever in a day. And

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saw Dona does her such just especially in this film,

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that it just it blows my mind. And I'm so

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glad that that I was able to rewatch it and

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appreciate that even more.

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Again.

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Absolutely, Yeah, Wayne, I'm curious about something if you noticed

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in the score. I know we're not we aren't talking

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about the composer yet, but Jason brought up the Klingon

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fight when they're when they're fighting. Did you hear the anvil?

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I did.

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I'm curious if that was a nod to James Horner.

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It wouldn't surprise me. He had some nods in his

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first Star Trek score, so I'm sure he had to

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think that. Yeah, I know he's a big fan of

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both Horner and Goldsmith's.

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So he is, Yeah, because I didn't. When I watched

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it again, it really stood out. I'm like, wow, there,

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listen to that anvil. He was going at it. Loved it.

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How about some behind the scenes. Did you guys find

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anything interesting about the making of the film or the

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production behind the scenes.

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Well, I think one of the things that we definitely

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need to discuss or at least given nod to this

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is little even his last time a Spock, Yes, because

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he passes away in twenty fifteen at the age of

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eighty three, So we definitely have to give a nod

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to that. It was good to see him again, prosper

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that's right, Live long and prosper Linna nimoy. For sure,

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it was good to see him to get to do

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it one more time, and in a nice fitting spot too,

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to at least be able to tell Spock this Spock

474
00:24:27.079 --> 00:24:30.759
of who con really is. So I thought that was

475
00:24:30.839 --> 00:24:31.279
very fitting.

476
00:24:31.519 --> 00:24:34.640
It was kind of sad it's such a short appearance.

477
00:24:34.720 --> 00:24:36.359
I'm so glad that they were able to do this,

478
00:24:36.559 --> 00:24:38.640
But he really is showing his age.

479
00:24:38.920 --> 00:24:41.720
He is really fortunately with Spock.

480
00:24:41.920 --> 00:24:44.480
I mean, I guess at that point Spock is pretty

481
00:24:44.799 --> 00:24:46.200
ancient at that point too, so.

482
00:24:46.480 --> 00:24:49.279
He is about one hundred and fifty six give it take.

483
00:24:51.480 --> 00:24:53.680
But it was great to see him again. I agree.

484
00:24:53.759 --> 00:24:55.839
I'm so glad they were able to get that one

485
00:24:56.000 --> 00:24:57.200
last appearance for spot.

486
00:24:57.640 --> 00:24:57.839
Yeah.

487
00:24:58.279 --> 00:25:00.960
Did you guys know something odd about this film? The

488
00:25:01.160 --> 00:25:03.559
Enterprise never fires a weapon?

489
00:25:04.480 --> 00:25:04.839
Truths?

490
00:25:05.000 --> 00:25:06.880
Yes, yes, I did notice that when I was watching

491
00:25:07.079 --> 00:25:10.200
last night. The Enterprise never fired a shot. It was like,

492
00:25:10.880 --> 00:25:12.799
there's always weapons were down.

493
00:25:12.720 --> 00:25:14.559
Through the whole I never noticed that.

494
00:25:14.599 --> 00:25:18.720
You're right, Yeah, that's kind of interesting, I said.

495
00:25:18.559 --> 00:25:21.519
Okay, but weapons were always down through the whole freaking film.

496
00:25:21.799 --> 00:25:23.680
Yeah. I mean, he gets the crap beat out of it,

497
00:25:24.039 --> 00:25:25.680
but it never fires a shot.

498
00:25:28.000 --> 00:25:30.319
Yeah, then almost hit San Francisco on top of it,

499
00:25:30.480 --> 00:25:33.400
So yeah, raise the Titanic and then yeah, down goes

500
00:25:33.440 --> 00:25:34.039
the Hindenburg.

501
00:25:34.519 --> 00:25:34.720
Yeah.

502
00:25:35.920 --> 00:25:40.200
Another thing I found interesting too is JJ Abrams pitched

503
00:25:40.240 --> 00:25:43.359
the villain to Benedict as a combination of the Joker,

504
00:25:43.519 --> 00:25:47.640
Hanmile Elector and Jack Torrance from The Shining. I don't

505
00:25:47.640 --> 00:25:49.319
think he actually came out either to say it was

506
00:25:49.400 --> 00:25:54.079
con when Benedict was going for the role. So I

507
00:25:54.279 --> 00:25:55.960
find that kind of interesting.

508
00:25:57.039 --> 00:25:59.799
Interesting and very valid because yeah, I could I can

509
00:26:00.039 --> 00:26:03.359
easily see because I'm very familiar with all three characters,

510
00:26:03.400 --> 00:26:06.440
because I'm a fan of all three, you know, characters

511
00:26:06.480 --> 00:26:06.920
in general.

512
00:26:07.119 --> 00:26:09.319
So yeah, I can I can very valid I can

513
00:26:09.400 --> 00:26:09.680
see that.

514
00:26:10.200 --> 00:26:12.480
Yeah, yeah, I can see. You know the character that

515
00:26:12.559 --> 00:26:16.160
Benedict played, Yeah, matches that. I can't really see that

516
00:26:16.240 --> 00:26:19.920
description fitting the original version of con though. That's very indientional,

517
00:26:20.000 --> 00:26:23.119
which you know, I mean, they were going for something

518
00:26:23.160 --> 00:26:25.319
completely different. I don't, don't get me wrong. You know,

519
00:26:25.839 --> 00:26:28.039
they were trying they were reusing an original character, but

520
00:26:28.119 --> 00:26:32.079
they were going for a completely different route on that,

521
00:26:32.200 --> 00:26:33.039
so that makes sense.

522
00:26:33.519 --> 00:26:34.799
Yeah, I don't know.

523
00:26:34.839 --> 00:26:36.400
I guess there was a lot of argument behind the

524
00:26:36.400 --> 00:26:38.279
scenes about whether to use that character or not.

525
00:26:38.480 --> 00:26:38.680
Come.

526
00:26:39.119 --> 00:26:42.599
I guess Linda Loof wanted to use it, but the

527
00:26:42.640 --> 00:26:45.119
other writers did not, and it took a while for

528
00:26:45.200 --> 00:26:46.759
them to actually come to a compromise.

529
00:26:47.039 --> 00:26:48.160
I feel think they shouldn't have.

530
00:26:48.640 --> 00:26:51.279
I agree, I still think they should have come up

531
00:26:51.319 --> 00:26:52.279
with an original character.

532
00:26:52.759 --> 00:26:52.960
Yeah.

533
00:26:53.200 --> 00:26:55.640
You know, the reasoning for bringing him back is because

534
00:26:55.680 --> 00:26:58.319
they felt that the best Star treks were the ones

535
00:26:58.359 --> 00:27:00.920
that had a central villain. And they're right, they're very right.

536
00:27:01.160 --> 00:27:03.759
But just say, you could have created a new one.

537
00:27:04.200 --> 00:27:06.559
Of course, Well, they could have left him. I'm sorry,

538
00:27:06.599 --> 00:27:07.160
I don't mean to know.

539
00:27:07.480 --> 00:27:10.200
They could have left him specifically as the person that

540
00:27:10.279 --> 00:27:13.119
he started out with, the John Harrison character. Yes, let

541
00:27:13.240 --> 00:27:18.279
him rogue Section thirty one. Agent absolutely crackers, you know, YEA.

542
00:27:18.759 --> 00:27:21.559
Do not have to yell River and say, okay, I

543
00:27:21.640 --> 00:27:23.920
am three hundred years old, I am con y'all.

544
00:27:23.799 --> 00:27:26.559
Let him be John Harrison. He was doing fine, he was.

545
00:27:26.839 --> 00:27:29.319
I mean, it would have still worked. He uncovered the

546
00:27:29.440 --> 00:27:32.480
plot of that. You know, this admiral was wanting to

547
00:27:33.160 --> 00:27:35.640
create this military to fight the Klingons and can go

548
00:27:35.759 --> 00:27:38.599
against what Starfleet stands for. So I mean it would

549
00:27:38.680 --> 00:27:40.160
still fit. You didn't need.

550
00:27:40.160 --> 00:27:43.400
Con No, not at all, Not at all. This story

551
00:27:43.519 --> 00:27:45.519
did not need con No.

552
00:27:46.119 --> 00:27:49.920
The best scripts, the best films are when the characters

553
00:27:49.960 --> 00:27:53.599
are integral to the plot. There's a reason for having

554
00:27:53.720 --> 00:27:56.599
him there, and there's no reason him to be con

555
00:27:56.799 --> 00:27:58.559
It could be anybody, none whatsoever.

556
00:27:59.359 --> 00:28:01.079
Did you guys know two d twos in this film?

557
00:28:01.799 --> 00:28:05.279
No, okay, if our two made an appearance, I missed it.

558
00:28:06.000 --> 00:28:09.319
He makes an appearance. So it's exactly one hour and

559
00:28:09.440 --> 00:28:13.400
seventeen minutes into this film. It's when the Vengeance fires

560
00:28:13.440 --> 00:28:16.039
on the USS Enterprise. When they're both at ARP. You

561
00:28:16.119 --> 00:28:18.400
can see R two DH being sucked out into space.

562
00:28:18.799 --> 00:28:21.000
The son of a son of a son of are

563
00:28:21.079 --> 00:28:22.799
so right? You are so right.

564
00:28:23.279 --> 00:28:26.000
I hate you, David. I hate you David. He was like,

565
00:28:26.240 --> 00:28:27.839
I gotta go back and watch it again to see

566
00:28:27.880 --> 00:28:29.680
that you're seeing it.

567
00:28:29.880 --> 00:28:33.240
I just I didn't put no thought into it at

568
00:28:33.279 --> 00:28:33.559
the time.

569
00:28:33.640 --> 00:28:37.720
It was like son of up yep, maybe excuse go

570
00:28:37.839 --> 00:28:39.359
back and watch it anyway, and you're welcome.

571
00:28:39.559 --> 00:28:39.759
Yeah.

572
00:28:39.759 --> 00:28:41.319
I think at that point in the film, I was

573
00:28:41.440 --> 00:28:44.519
watching it, but not as closely as I i'd like to.

574
00:28:44.680 --> 00:28:49.720
I was kind of getting a little bored, you know.

575
00:28:49.839 --> 00:28:53.319
I I tried looking into any like what ifs or

576
00:28:53.359 --> 00:28:56.359
alternate versions. You know, there really wasn't that much to this.

577
00:28:56.519 --> 00:28:59.160
This was pretty straightforward script writing. The only thing I

578
00:28:59.240 --> 00:29:02.039
was founded that they had originally thought about calling this

579
00:29:02.160 --> 00:29:03.799
film Star Trek Vengeance.

580
00:29:04.759 --> 00:29:06.960
Which would have worked too, I suppose. I mean, the

581
00:29:07.079 --> 00:29:10.480
End of Darkness thing is is great, obviously, but you know.

582
00:29:10.759 --> 00:29:13.519
It's it's kind of like, you know, going from uh again,

583
00:29:14.000 --> 00:29:16.920
going back to the Star Wars thing, going from Revenge

584
00:29:16.960 --> 00:29:18.359
of the Jedi to Return of the Jedi.

585
00:29:18.920 --> 00:29:21.200
You know, well, the reason they change this is because

586
00:29:21.240 --> 00:29:25.400
of the ghostwriterish spirit of vengeance coming out, which I

587
00:29:25.599 --> 00:29:27.599
don't see any conflict there, but you know.

588
00:29:27.799 --> 00:29:28.680
I I someone else.

589
00:29:31.039 --> 00:29:34.000
They still they stole my subtitle. Remember one of my

590
00:29:34.119 --> 00:29:38.240
scripts is called Into Darkness, and they decided to and

591
00:29:38.319 --> 00:29:39.880
they decided to go ahead and use it. You know

592
00:29:39.920 --> 00:29:41.279
how they always feel ideas from us.

593
00:29:41.480 --> 00:29:44.559
Oh yeah, yeah, we still have a bloody of geniuses.

594
00:29:44.680 --> 00:29:46.039
We know we've been.

595
00:29:45.960 --> 00:29:49.400
Looking for that that hidden microphone somewhere around the place

596
00:29:49.480 --> 00:29:51.039
for years. We know they're listening.

597
00:29:51.960 --> 00:29:54.119
Try try that TV screen right behind Ja Wayne.

598
00:29:55.920 --> 00:29:56.720
They probably are.

599
00:29:59.079 --> 00:30:00.680
All right, Well, we touched a little bit on this,

600
00:30:01.039 --> 00:30:03.559
but let's let's get into it right now. You know,

601
00:30:03.680 --> 00:30:05.880
of course, we can't talk about any Star Trek film

602
00:30:06.279 --> 00:30:10.000
without going into an in depth discussion about the musical score. Yeah,

603
00:30:10.279 --> 00:30:13.720
and it was no question that frequent JJ Abrams collaborate

604
00:30:14.079 --> 00:30:18.200
collaborator Michael Giacchino would return to score this film. The

605
00:30:18.279 --> 00:30:21.480
film score was recorded at the Sony Scoring sound Stage

606
00:30:21.480 --> 00:30:24.200
in Culver City, California, on March fifth to April third,

607
00:30:24.640 --> 00:30:28.200
twenty thirteen. Well, David, what did you think about his

608
00:30:28.519 --> 00:30:30.160
second take at a star Trek score.

609
00:30:30.960 --> 00:30:35.039
Just as I felt the first film was felt better

610
00:30:35.559 --> 00:30:38.400
than this one, I feel the music is too. Don't

611
00:30:38.440 --> 00:30:40.440
get me wrong, I thought the score was fantastic in

612
00:30:40.519 --> 00:30:43.160
this one, but I think what happened was in the

613
00:30:43.240 --> 00:30:46.039
first one he kind of caught me off guard because

614
00:30:47.160 --> 00:30:49.119
with the themes that he brings to us in the

615
00:30:49.160 --> 00:30:52.279
first film, he brings into this one too, which obviously

616
00:30:52.359 --> 00:30:54.279
you know you hear as soon as the paramount symbol

617
00:30:54.319 --> 00:30:58.160
starts to come up, you're getting that theme he's creating,

618
00:30:59.200 --> 00:31:02.279
and it's fantastic, Don't get me wrong. Anytime the enterprise,

619
00:31:02.400 --> 00:31:04.000
like when it's coming out of the water, or it's

620
00:31:04.000 --> 00:31:05.759
coming up out of the clouds and stuff like that

621
00:31:06.160 --> 00:31:09.880
on Earth when it was falling, when the score reaches

622
00:31:09.960 --> 00:31:14.799
that crescendo, incredible work. And again I'm gonna talk about

623
00:31:14.799 --> 00:31:17.519
his love of you know, Goldsmith and Horner. You can

624
00:31:17.640 --> 00:31:20.079
hear that again in all of his music that he's

625
00:31:20.160 --> 00:31:24.079
doing here in this sequel, and I thought it was

626
00:31:24.200 --> 00:31:26.200
very fitting to the movie. I mean, when it needed

627
00:31:26.240 --> 00:31:30.440
to be action packed, it was action packed, and sometimes

628
00:31:30.839 --> 00:31:33.240
the music bled into what was going on screen, which

629
00:31:33.279 --> 00:31:35.279
is what you want. You don't want it to realize

630
00:31:35.319 --> 00:31:38.000
you're listening to the score when you're seeing something happen

631
00:31:38.079 --> 00:31:41.359
on screen. You wanted to blend together beautifully, and that's

632
00:31:41.400 --> 00:31:44.880
exactly what he did with this movie, and it was perfect.

633
00:31:44.920 --> 00:31:47.000
In my opinion, it was really well done. Again, I

634
00:31:47.039 --> 00:31:48.839
don't think it was as good as his first round,

635
00:31:48.920 --> 00:31:50.319
but I still think it was fantastic.

636
00:31:51.000 --> 00:31:52.319
Jason, what did you think about the score?

637
00:31:52.920 --> 00:31:56.119
Okay, so, being fresher on this, I'm gonna have to

638
00:31:56.240 --> 00:31:58.240
go back and you know, break down and watch the

639
00:31:58.279 --> 00:32:02.359
first film again. Here is sometimes shortly but when upon

640
00:32:02.480 --> 00:32:06.960
my rewatch last night. So let me backtrack for just

641
00:32:07.039 --> 00:32:09.200
a second and say, I am a music person to

642
00:32:09.279 --> 00:32:12.680
begin with. I live, breathed, and die for music that

643
00:32:12.880 --> 00:32:17.799
interests me. So a lot of my enjoyment of this

644
00:32:17.960 --> 00:32:22.000
film actually is the musical cues, you know, as as

645
00:32:22.799 --> 00:32:25.680
y'all were saying, you know, the whole action when it

646
00:32:26.279 --> 00:32:28.880
needs to be action, subtle when it needs to be subtle,

647
00:32:29.640 --> 00:32:33.440
thriller when it needs to be thriller, blends together beautifully,

648
00:32:33.680 --> 00:32:36.200
and yeah, I would actually listen to this on a

649
00:32:36.400 --> 00:32:40.079
on a loop, just the music, just to sit and chill.

650
00:32:40.160 --> 00:32:43.240
Buy. Yeah, beautiful score all the way around. It is.

651
00:32:43.680 --> 00:32:46.319
It is a very beautiful score, but and I agree

652
00:32:46.440 --> 00:32:49.839
that I think his his first film was a little

653
00:32:49.880 --> 00:32:52.640
bit stronger. But of course it was all original, right,

654
00:32:52.799 --> 00:32:56.359
I just he really reused a lot of themes from

655
00:32:56.519 --> 00:33:00.880
that and there are some parts where it just felt

656
00:33:01.000 --> 00:33:02.720
like that it was a little bit of a rehash.

657
00:33:02.799 --> 00:33:05.480
But he did create some new, some new things for this,

658
00:33:05.599 --> 00:33:07.440
which I absolutely love. I love the fact that he

659
00:33:07.519 --> 00:33:09.880
used piano, David, you know, I love and so I

660
00:33:09.920 --> 00:33:12.359
know you do. Yeah, And there's very little you know,

661
00:33:12.440 --> 00:33:15.119
Star Trek doesn't use piano very often. I Cliff Idelman

662
00:33:15.200 --> 00:33:18.200
used it in Star Trek six, but Goldsmith kind of

663
00:33:18.440 --> 00:33:21.160
stayed away from it completely. And I was so glad

664
00:33:21.200 --> 00:33:23.440
to hear that. I love that nice little theme. And

665
00:33:23.559 --> 00:33:25.599
then also I have to point out that.

666
00:33:25.680 --> 00:33:28.240
Choir you love, I love choir.

667
00:33:28.559 --> 00:33:32.400
That is that they were actually chanting the Klingon language

668
00:33:33.400 --> 00:33:39.839
in that wonderful, wonderful and very powerful piece. So it's

669
00:33:39.920 --> 00:33:41.960
it's a great it's a great score.

670
00:33:42.279 --> 00:33:43.240
I do love it.

671
00:33:43.319 --> 00:33:46.200
I think it's probably the weakest of the three, but

672
00:33:46.359 --> 00:33:49.599
that's saying that it's still I'm not putting it down.

673
00:33:49.599 --> 00:33:50.960
I don't want to, definitely don't want anyone to get

674
00:33:50.960 --> 00:33:52.440
the impression that I'm putting it down because it is

675
00:33:53.079 --> 00:33:55.519
wonderful score. He's he's a great composer anyways, he is.

676
00:33:55.599 --> 00:33:58.640
He's fantastic. Any Anything he does, it's great. So I

677
00:33:58.880 --> 00:34:00.680
get another little tidbit. It's kind of like I guess

678
00:34:00.680 --> 00:34:03.000
it would be kind of an easter egg. Do you

679
00:34:03.240 --> 00:34:08.760
know that when Spock and Connor fighting at the end

680
00:34:09.320 --> 00:34:11.880
that he flipped in the score from a mock time

681
00:34:12.880 --> 00:34:14.719
where kurkith Bach are fighting to death?

682
00:34:15.360 --> 00:34:19.039
Did you did? I thought it was my imagination, but yes,

683
00:34:19.079 --> 00:34:21.280
I did too when I was watching it. No, he

684
00:34:21.360 --> 00:34:21.599
did it.

685
00:34:22.519 --> 00:34:25.440
Yeah, I listened re listened to the score earlier today

686
00:34:25.599 --> 00:34:27.320
and I was the same way. I thought, maybe I

687
00:34:27.400 --> 00:34:28.159
was just imagining it.

688
00:34:28.440 --> 00:34:29.280
No he did.

689
00:34:29.760 --> 00:34:32.519
Okay, awesome, it was great.

690
00:34:32.599 --> 00:34:35.679
That's couch yep now.

691
00:34:35.880 --> 00:34:39.559
The film soundtrack was first released a week after the

692
00:34:39.639 --> 00:34:42.159
film by a Very Sarah Band on May twenty first

693
00:34:42.280 --> 00:34:46.760
of twenty thirteen on CD. It contained fifteen tracks sequeling

694
00:34:46.840 --> 00:34:50.400
forty seven minutes, a score which also included the song

695
00:34:50.519 --> 00:34:53.679
The Growl, composed by J. J. Abrams and Charles Scott

696
00:34:54.599 --> 00:34:58.360
with vocals by Cassia Conway. A year later, in accordance

697
00:34:58.400 --> 00:35:00.519
to Paramount's desire to see all all the Star Trek

698
00:35:00.639 --> 00:35:04.519
musical source receive a complete release. Very Sara Band brought

699
00:35:04.559 --> 00:35:06.880
it out again, this time is Start Trek Into Darkness.

700
00:35:06.920 --> 00:35:10.360
The Deluxe edition it was available through their online CD

701
00:35:10.519 --> 00:35:13.199
club and now it was featuring nearly one hundred and

702
00:35:13.239 --> 00:35:16.400
nineteen minutes to music on fifty one tracks, which is

703
00:35:16.440 --> 00:35:19.559
the complete score, along with two suites of themes newly

704
00:35:19.599 --> 00:35:22.519
written for the film, including that piano piece that I

705
00:35:22.559 --> 00:35:27.119
absolutely love. The original release is still widely available for anyone,

706
00:35:27.199 --> 00:35:29.840
but the Deluxe edition is out of print on CD,

707
00:35:30.000 --> 00:35:32.239
but it is still available through the Very Sarah Band

708
00:35:32.320 --> 00:35:34.800
website as a digital download if you'd like to own

709
00:35:34.840 --> 00:35:35.960
it and add it to your collection.

710
00:35:36.679 --> 00:35:38.719
Nice, No, I'm a vinyl note. I need it on

711
00:35:38.840 --> 00:35:39.679
vinyl or I don't want it.

712
00:35:40.519 --> 00:35:42.119
It is out on vinyl. They did bring it out

713
00:35:42.159 --> 00:35:44.920
on vinyl time. I'm glad you mentioned that. Yes, it's

714
00:35:44.960 --> 00:35:49.199
on a I believe it's a three LP sets.

715
00:35:49.760 --> 00:35:51.559
I forgot a lot because I would take every minute

716
00:35:51.599 --> 00:35:54.519
of the score to this movie seriously, because the music

717
00:35:54.559 --> 00:35:57.199
consist and you keep going on about the piano piece.

718
00:35:57.599 --> 00:36:00.519
I too love piano music. Quite a bit. You know,

719
00:36:00.639 --> 00:36:03.199
Elton John's one of my favorite people, so you know.

720
00:36:05.639 --> 00:36:09.599
I love some of these music, so yeah, nothing wrong

721
00:36:09.639 --> 00:36:13.719
with that. All right, Well, we've just discovered some triples

722
00:36:13.719 --> 00:36:15.719
in our engineering, so we're going to take a break

723
00:36:15.800 --> 00:36:21.280
right now and we'll be back shortly. All right, We

724
00:36:21.320 --> 00:36:23.760
got those all cleared out and shot off into space,

725
00:36:23.840 --> 00:36:26.320
So let's get back to our discussion with Star Trek

726
00:36:26.840 --> 00:36:31.519
into Darkness. We talked a little bit about our favorite moments.

727
00:36:31.559 --> 00:36:33.559
Are there anything else you guys would like to bring

728
00:36:33.679 --> 00:36:36.519
up about what you liked or didn't like about this film?

729
00:36:37.320 --> 00:36:42.599
So the whole sequence of the Enterprise falling to Earth

730
00:36:43.360 --> 00:36:45.960
getting pulled down by gravity, I thought all of that

731
00:36:46.400 --> 00:36:51.280
was filmed incredibly well. Yes, the special effects and how

732
00:36:51.400 --> 00:36:54.000
they were just able to make that look as good

733
00:36:54.039 --> 00:36:58.920
as they did is just mind blowing, you know, when

734
00:36:58.960 --> 00:37:01.679
things are falling down and twisting and turning and just

735
00:37:02.000 --> 00:37:04.400
you know, it just amazes me every time. When I've

736
00:37:04.440 --> 00:37:07.320
watched it the second time, I just watching it and

737
00:37:07.440 --> 00:37:11.679
just amazing. You lose track of things because you're paying

738
00:37:11.679 --> 00:37:13.719
attention to one spot of the screen. Something else is

739
00:37:13.719 --> 00:37:15.079
happening on the other side of the screen because so

740
00:37:15.280 --> 00:37:18.920
much is going on. It's easy to miss stuff. But

741
00:37:19.079 --> 00:37:22.880
that whole sequence I thought was I cannot imagine having

742
00:37:22.960 --> 00:37:25.400
to put that down and planning that way. And you know,

743
00:37:25.519 --> 00:37:27.599
you and I have done some filmmaking and planning some

744
00:37:27.639 --> 00:37:30.760
stuff out. Can you imagine sitting down and actually store

745
00:37:30.800 --> 00:37:33.159
budding that entire seating forever?

746
00:37:33.599 --> 00:37:35.639
Yeah? Oh yeah.

747
00:37:36.280 --> 00:37:38.440
How many storyboarders they had on this, because that's a

748
00:37:38.519 --> 00:37:41.760
lot of drawings. Yeah, you're right, the cuts, just the

749
00:37:41.800 --> 00:37:43.880
whole planning out is just wind blowing.

750
00:37:44.199 --> 00:37:44.400
Yeah.

751
00:37:44.440 --> 00:37:45.719
And it was an incredible scene.

752
00:37:46.039 --> 00:37:48.000
Yeah, and when they finally got it together and it

753
00:37:48.159 --> 00:37:50.239
falls through the clouds, but then it comes back up

754
00:37:50.280 --> 00:37:52.599
through the clouds and then again you get that amazing score.

755
00:37:53.320 --> 00:37:54.480
Love that scene so much.

756
00:37:55.239 --> 00:37:59.239
And Dave, I'm gonna agree with you that scene and

757
00:38:00.119 --> 00:38:04.440
another work of mine I live by association. That scene

758
00:38:04.599 --> 00:38:07.559
very much reminds me of the scene in the original

759
00:38:07.599 --> 00:38:12.400
Planet of the Apes of the Icarus crashing to what

760
00:38:12.599 --> 00:38:15.360
we would later find out to be Earth. Just the

761
00:38:15.519 --> 00:38:18.719
different point of views and as you said, you know,

762
00:38:19.079 --> 00:38:20.719
on one side of the screen, one thing's happening.

763
00:38:20.760 --> 00:38:22.559
On the other side of the screen, something else is happening.

764
00:38:22.800 --> 00:38:26.079
Just lots and lots of action, beautifully done, the effects

765
00:38:26.119 --> 00:38:28.840
are out of this world. So yeah, I'm going to

766
00:38:29.079 --> 00:38:31.639
absolutely agree with you. That is a fabulous scene.

767
00:38:32.320 --> 00:38:35.760
Oh yeah, I agree to. Actually, that's what I was

768
00:38:35.800 --> 00:38:38.679
going to bring up the ending the properly about that

769
00:38:38.719 --> 00:38:41.079
would say about the last twenty twenty five minutes of

770
00:38:41.119 --> 00:38:44.440
the film. Just absolutely phenomenal, and the visual effects are outstanding.

771
00:38:44.519 --> 00:38:48.119
Question it's ILM, so of course they're They're fantastic, but

772
00:38:48.239 --> 00:38:51.199
they really outed themselves some of the most beautiful effects

773
00:38:51.239 --> 00:38:52.159
I've ever seen in Star Trek.

774
00:38:52.719 --> 00:38:54.840
Yeah, they should have been tipped grandly for their work

775
00:38:54.880 --> 00:38:55.800
on The Darkness.

776
00:38:56.960 --> 00:39:00.719
That definitely was Star Trek at its finest sci fi

777
00:39:01.000 --> 00:39:04.280
right there. That whole ending sequence was just an incredible

778
00:39:04.280 --> 00:39:06.280
and then when you think it's done, oh no, it's not,

779
00:39:07.119 --> 00:39:10.039
because Constill has to crash down and then he gets

780
00:39:10.119 --> 00:39:12.119
out and then Spot goes after him. It's just the

781
00:39:12.239 --> 00:39:13.679
whole sequence was just amazing.

782
00:39:13.960 --> 00:39:16.639
Yeah, I agree, I agree, it was fabulous. Yep.

783
00:39:17.519 --> 00:39:20.280
But for dislikes, Wayne, I think we kind of talked

784
00:39:20.320 --> 00:39:23.039
about some of the dislikes that we have on this,

785
00:39:24.159 --> 00:39:25.920
you know, a few eye rolls for me. One was

786
00:39:26.039 --> 00:39:29.119
when he said his name, but then I mentioned this

787
00:39:29.239 --> 00:39:32.039
earlier in the podcast. It's the whole reversal of Kirk,

788
00:39:32.320 --> 00:39:36.159
you know, sacrificing himself now instead of Spot. And I

789
00:39:36.480 --> 00:39:39.360
really felt the whole Spock thing when he yelled Con

790
00:39:39.599 --> 00:39:44.039
was kind of like they did that on purpose, because

791
00:39:44.159 --> 00:39:46.760
everyone knows from the wrath of Conmin Kurt yells con

792
00:39:47.719 --> 00:39:51.320
and you know, I just yeah, okay, sure, but it

793
00:39:51.480 --> 00:39:54.639
just again another eye roll for me when I saw

794
00:39:54.719 --> 00:39:55.639
this for the first time.

795
00:39:56.440 --> 00:39:58.519
It's it is, it's a lot of eye rolls because

796
00:39:58.719 --> 00:40:01.280
to anyone that has seen Loves Start Trek to the

797
00:40:01.360 --> 00:40:03.400
Rat the Coon, Yes, it's like, why are you doing

798
00:40:03.440 --> 00:40:06.400
all this? Yeah, exactly all of us. You know, why

799
00:40:06.440 --> 00:40:07.519
are you Why are you doing this?

800
00:40:07.639 --> 00:40:07.800
Why?

801
00:40:07.920 --> 00:40:10.920
Why are you bringing it back? Why are you changing

802
00:40:10.960 --> 00:40:13.960
all this stuff? Now? To anyone it's never seen the film, Okay, yeah, sure,

803
00:40:13.960 --> 00:40:16.199
and you know you might love that. And that's probably

804
00:40:16.239 --> 00:40:18.639
why it had a lot of mixed h fifty to

805
00:40:18.639 --> 00:40:20.679
fifty reviews on this room. A lot of people loved

806
00:40:20.719 --> 00:40:22.039
it and a lot of people hated it. It's you know,

807
00:40:22.719 --> 00:40:23.719
I can see why.

808
00:40:24.199 --> 00:40:26.039
Yeah, I agree myself.

809
00:40:26.119 --> 00:40:29.239
I can understand like a tribute or an homage or

810
00:40:29.440 --> 00:40:32.199
you know, just a you know poke and you know

811
00:40:32.320 --> 00:40:35.159
to say, hey, yeah, we know you, but I'm with

812
00:40:35.400 --> 00:40:36.119
you again, Dave.

813
00:40:36.199 --> 00:40:38.880
You know, lots of eye roll moments. Uh, the whole

814
00:40:38.960 --> 00:40:39.400
con thing.

815
00:40:39.679 --> 00:40:41.840
I wanted to It's not very often I want to

816
00:40:41.880 --> 00:40:43.960
like kick a TV. But it's just like, oh my god,

817
00:40:45.239 --> 00:40:47.519
you know, and some of the other various things that

818
00:40:47.559 --> 00:40:49.960
Wayne was bringing up, and it's just like, you know,

819
00:40:50.320 --> 00:40:52.559
we know because you know, of course we live through

820
00:40:52.599 --> 00:40:55.320
it all. You know, the millennials will be fine, you know,

821
00:40:55.559 --> 00:40:58.679
but for us that like, no, it's just like, damn it.

822
00:41:00.159 --> 00:41:00.800
We grew up with it.

823
00:41:00.880 --> 00:41:01.079
We know.

824
00:41:02.639 --> 00:41:06.639
The bottom line from my opinion is if if it's

825
00:41:06.920 --> 00:41:10.199
you're doing a retelling of a bad film, then that's

826
00:41:10.360 --> 00:41:12.119
one thing. You know, you want to make it better

827
00:41:12.159 --> 00:41:13.360
than the bad film. But if you're going to do

828
00:41:13.519 --> 00:41:17.559
retelling of one of the best films, not just in

829
00:41:17.679 --> 00:41:21.800
the Star Trek franchise but sci fi in general, you

830
00:41:21.920 --> 00:41:24.800
better have the most perfect script ever otherwise you're going

831
00:41:24.840 --> 00:41:25.639
to be torn apart.

832
00:41:26.480 --> 00:41:27.239
And that's what.

833
00:41:27.400 --> 00:41:31.000
Happened with this film. It didn't wasn't necessary. It wasn't

834
00:41:31.119 --> 00:41:33.840
necessary to have that to have this film forward, because

835
00:41:34.039 --> 00:41:35.760
if you take out all those elements. It's not that

836
00:41:35.840 --> 00:41:37.159
bad of a film. I agree.

837
00:41:37.239 --> 00:41:40.960
No, I agree, I agree wholeheartedly, and and and I'm

838
00:41:41.000 --> 00:41:42.840
going to say this even though again a right p

839
00:41:43.039 --> 00:41:46.440
Leonard Nimoy take out his piece of it, and take

840
00:41:46.519 --> 00:41:49.920
out the fact that John Harrison identifies as Cohn, and

841
00:41:50.079 --> 00:41:55.639
you have the same perfectly good movie without without you

842
00:41:55.719 --> 00:41:58.480
know this all this unnecessary like baggage.

843
00:41:59.119 --> 00:42:03.880
Yes, actually, all right, let's uh, let's take a look

844
00:42:03.880 --> 00:42:06.280
at some film facts. Everything about the film that I

845
00:42:06.360 --> 00:42:10.920
found fascinating and at times somewhat humorous. All right, you too,

846
00:42:11.239 --> 00:42:13.519
Did you find anything about the film that you'd like

847
00:42:13.559 --> 00:42:14.000
to bring up?

848
00:42:14.800 --> 00:42:18.000
So there's a few things I found very interesting about this.

849
00:42:19.679 --> 00:42:21.639
One of the things I found humorous was when check

850
00:42:21.679 --> 00:42:26.679
when Kurt tells check Off to change shirts. Yes, that's right,

851
00:42:27.480 --> 00:42:29.320
put on a red shirt, and he kind of like

852
00:42:30.159 --> 00:42:33.760
like Paul is the first second ago. Okay, I thought

853
00:42:33.800 --> 00:42:34.760
that was fantastic.

854
00:42:34.880 --> 00:42:36.039
We all know about red shirts.

855
00:42:36.039 --> 00:42:37.440
I don't know if I want, right, And it was

856
00:42:37.599 --> 00:42:41.360
immortalized I'm gonna touch you guys's actual musical knowledge here

857
00:42:41.679 --> 00:42:44.800
for just zec. It was immortalized in the song beat

858
00:42:44.840 --> 00:42:48.559
Me Up Scottie by Local Chicago group Aliota, Haynes and

859
00:42:48.599 --> 00:42:52.119
Jeremiah in about nineteen seventy two or so on their

860
00:42:52.280 --> 00:42:56.079
Lake Shore Drive album Everybody knows what the Red Shirts mean?

861
00:42:57.280 --> 00:42:57.840
Make sure do.

862
00:43:00.119 --> 00:43:01.679
When did you see one of the shuttles is named

863
00:43:01.719 --> 00:43:02.519
after George K?

864
00:43:03.079 --> 00:43:03.239
Yes?

865
00:43:03.360 --> 00:43:03.599
I did.

866
00:43:03.679 --> 00:43:04.119
I love that.

867
00:43:04.519 --> 00:43:05.039
I missed that.

868
00:43:05.559 --> 00:43:08.679
Yeah, yeah, I thought that was pretty cool.

869
00:43:08.719 --> 00:43:11.000
Man, That's very very cool as well. Shut up, because

870
00:43:11.159 --> 00:43:14.360
you know georgeha K was is awesome. He's absolutely.

871
00:43:14.679 --> 00:43:19.400
He did Sulu so wonderfully and here taking you in

872
00:43:19.559 --> 00:43:21.599
a little bit of a different direction. If y'all one

873
00:43:21.679 --> 00:43:23.760
of the few John Wayne movies I can sit through

874
00:43:23.840 --> 00:43:24.519
the Green Berets.

875
00:43:24.599 --> 00:43:25.280
He was awesome in that.

876
00:43:25.519 --> 00:43:27.239
Yes, that's right, absolutely, you know.

877
00:43:27.559 --> 00:43:30.119
So you know, George Chak was very very cool. And

878
00:43:30.360 --> 00:43:33.480
and I'm gonna say this going back to I think,

879
00:43:34.000 --> 00:43:36.440
uh not real, real long ago you guys did Star

880
00:43:36.559 --> 00:43:37.840
Trek four The Voyage Home.

881
00:43:38.280 --> 00:43:40.679
I was mad that George K did not get his

882
00:43:41.159 --> 00:43:43.639
his his scene where where he's supposed to have the

883
00:43:43.719 --> 00:43:47.760
extended scene where he met his great grandfather or whatever.

884
00:43:48.119 --> 00:43:51.000
I was I was pulling for that. That irritated my soul,

885
00:43:51.119 --> 00:43:52.599
even as a kid. That irritated me.

886
00:43:52.920 --> 00:43:54.679
I agree that it's a pity they didn't have that

887
00:43:54.800 --> 00:43:55.719
in the film. I love that.

888
00:43:56.480 --> 00:43:59.840
Yes, yes, And another one that I caught to Wayne,

889
00:44:00.199 --> 00:44:01.960
I'm polloing at you on this one. It seems like

890
00:44:01.960 --> 00:44:04.360
I've caught so many in me. You is getting all

891
00:44:04.440 --> 00:44:06.679
these there's a few of them. This one I actually

892
00:44:06.719 --> 00:44:08.000
caught when I was in the When I saw this

893
00:44:08.119 --> 00:44:10.000
in the theater back in twenty thirteen, I was like, oh, hey,

894
00:44:10.079 --> 00:44:13.239
that's kind of cool. When Sulu commands the crew to

895
00:44:13.280 --> 00:44:16.880
prepare the transport captured during the mud incident last month,

896
00:44:17.400 --> 00:44:20.639
I thought that was awesome. Not too am I missing?

897
00:44:24.159 --> 00:44:24.280
Man?

898
00:44:25.079 --> 00:44:26.239
Use the other top of this stuff?

899
00:44:26.440 --> 00:44:32.039
You went right over my head. Ah, well, what I

900
00:44:32.159 --> 00:44:33.719
I did catch a few things, believe it, or I

901
00:44:33.880 --> 00:44:34.880
was paying attention.

902
00:44:34.639 --> 00:44:37.400
To the watching it all right, Yes, yes you were,

903
00:44:37.480 --> 00:44:38.199
You're a professional.

904
00:44:39.559 --> 00:44:41.719
What I did notice is that this is the first

905
00:44:41.760 --> 00:44:44.920
Star Trek film to use the the new and current

906
00:44:45.159 --> 00:44:46.880
twenty twelve Paramount Pictures logo.

907
00:44:47.679 --> 00:44:48.880
It sucks, but that's just me.

908
00:44:51.119 --> 00:44:53.599
The writers of this film have stated that this film

909
00:44:54.079 --> 00:44:57.519
is roughly six months to a year after the previous

910
00:44:57.559 --> 00:45:01.000
film Star Trek. And one I did I'd notice is

911
00:45:01.199 --> 00:45:05.960
the little models in Admiral Marcus's office. Those were very

912
00:45:06.000 --> 00:45:08.679
familiar as they quickly walked by. It was the Ares

913
00:45:08.800 --> 00:45:12.920
five the Phoenix. Of course, from first contact we got

914
00:45:12.960 --> 00:45:16.519
the USS Enterprise three three zero, which is seen was

915
00:45:16.519 --> 00:45:21.360
seen on the wall of the in Star Trek motion

916
00:45:21.440 --> 00:45:23.119
picture on the Enterprise. I can't think of the name

917
00:45:23.119 --> 00:45:25.440
of the room, the entertainment, the big room that they

918
00:45:25.480 --> 00:45:28.320
all met in there, of course was the Enterprise in

919
00:45:28.480 --> 00:45:32.000
XO one Archership, and then the US s Kelvin and

920
00:45:32.119 --> 00:45:37.880
the Vengeance, and then they brought up Section thirty one. See,

921
00:45:38.679 --> 00:45:41.079
we are very familiar. We've been talking a little bit

922
00:45:41.119 --> 00:45:43.960
about this recently. First appeared in the later seasons of

923
00:45:44.000 --> 00:45:45.440
Star Trek Deep Space nine.

924
00:45:45.519 --> 00:45:47.400
Amen, which is my Star Trek right there.

925
00:45:48.039 --> 00:45:50.280
That is actually the only Star Trek series that I

926
00:45:50.400 --> 00:45:52.559
actually physically owned the whole series too.

927
00:45:52.880 --> 00:45:55.679
Excellent. We'll be talking about that series very shortly this year.

928
00:45:55.920 --> 00:45:56.559
Yep. Cool.

929
00:45:56.800 --> 00:45:59.280
But they also appeared in Star Trek Enterprise, Star Trek

930
00:45:59.360 --> 00:46:03.239
Discovery and the recently released Section thirty one film on

931
00:46:03.360 --> 00:46:04.199
Paramount plus.

932
00:46:06.119 --> 00:46:06.960
Section thirty one.

933
00:46:08.559 --> 00:46:10.960
Now this one, I heard the number and I made

934
00:46:11.239 --> 00:46:13.639
a mark about it, but I actually had to look

935
00:46:13.679 --> 00:46:14.960
this one up to make sure I was correct. But

936
00:46:15.000 --> 00:46:18.760
the er the number of torpedoes that had CON's crew

937
00:46:18.840 --> 00:46:24.159
in it was seventy two. That's the number of members

938
00:46:24.239 --> 00:46:27.599
that had survived with Con back in the original series

939
00:46:27.880 --> 00:46:31.360
Space Seed. So that is correct. Very cool, very cool.

940
00:46:31.400 --> 00:46:35.079
I did not make that immediate but that immediate connection myself.

941
00:46:35.199 --> 00:46:38.119
But yeah, that sounds about right. It's been a minute

942
00:46:38.119 --> 00:46:39.800
since I watched the Space Seat, I admit it.

943
00:46:40.960 --> 00:46:43.880
And then the big meeting at Starfleet Command took place

944
00:46:43.960 --> 00:46:46.800
in the Daystrm conference room. We all know who Daystrum is.

945
00:46:46.880 --> 00:46:49.400
He was introduced in the original series The Ultimate Computer

946
00:46:50.079 --> 00:46:52.880
and mentioned in lots of Star Trek episodes, most recently

947
00:46:52.960 --> 00:46:56.320
in Star Trek Card. Now, this is another thing that

948
00:46:56.400 --> 00:46:58.480
I had to look and check to make sure that

949
00:46:58.599 --> 00:47:00.559
this was correct. But when they did the shot of

950
00:47:00.639 --> 00:47:04.199
the klingon home World in Space Cronos, you can actually

951
00:47:04.280 --> 00:47:07.480
see the remains of the moon praxis.

952
00:47:07.639 --> 00:47:10.960
Really yes, yes, yeh okay, I got that. Yeah.

953
00:47:11.800 --> 00:47:14.679
How it got destroyed so early on, you know, over

954
00:47:14.800 --> 00:47:17.079
decades before it did in Star Trek six, I don't know,

955
00:47:17.159 --> 00:47:17.920
but it's there.

956
00:47:18.559 --> 00:47:18.880
That's real.

957
00:47:19.920 --> 00:47:25.199
And then finally yeah, it's go ahead, that's yeah. It

958
00:47:25.360 --> 00:47:27.440
was like I said, I saw it wasn't sure. I mean,

959
00:47:27.519 --> 00:47:30.360
I saw the moon. I knew that it had You know,

960
00:47:30.679 --> 00:47:32.280
Cronos has a moon, and I wanted to make sure

961
00:47:32.280 --> 00:47:35.440
that it was the same one I did. Now, this

962
00:47:35.599 --> 00:47:37.719
film had a lot of tie in merchandise to go

963
00:47:37.760 --> 00:47:40.760
along with it, just like the previous film, there was

964
00:47:40.800 --> 00:47:44.559
the novelization of the film, again written by Alan Dene Foster.

965
00:47:45.480 --> 00:47:49.280
IDW Publishing solicited a four issue prequel comic for this

966
00:47:49.599 --> 00:47:54.320
for this film, titled Star Trek Countdown Into Darkness. Like

967
00:47:54.440 --> 00:47:57.760
the previous film's comic book prequel Star Trek Countdown, which

968
00:47:57.880 --> 00:47:59.519
was done for the first film, it was written by

969
00:47:59.559 --> 00:48:04.280
Mike Johnson and drawn by David Messina. Great Artist HASBA

970
00:48:04.400 --> 00:48:07.639
released Creo and Fighter Pod toys to remote the film,

971
00:48:08.400 --> 00:48:12.280
Plus Mattel released three new hot Wheel Star Trek Into

972
00:48:12.360 --> 00:48:18.480
Darkness models. Quantum Mechanics released plans A. Quantum Mechanics released

973
00:48:18.480 --> 00:48:21.639
a number of replicas based on the flight models that

974
00:48:21.719 --> 00:48:25.199
you seen that I just mentioned, as well as a phaser, tricorder,

975
00:48:25.400 --> 00:48:30.079
and communicator. And there was a video game titled Star

976
00:48:30.159 --> 00:48:32.559
Trek released just before this film premiered. It was actually

977
00:48:32.679 --> 00:48:35.880
made for the first film, but Paramount had them hold

978
00:48:35.920 --> 00:48:38.480
it off and release it for this film, and that's

979
00:48:38.639 --> 00:48:39.199
what I found.

980
00:48:40.000 --> 00:48:43.800
Yes, I have one more in joke reference that they

981
00:48:43.960 --> 00:48:46.760
put in the film that I absolutely loved. So do

982
00:48:46.840 --> 00:48:49.360
you remember when Scotti was on the ship and he

983
00:48:49.840 --> 00:48:51.519
was the security guard came up, he goes, what are

984
00:48:51.559 --> 00:48:55.440
you doing? M and he puts the other hand behind

985
00:48:55.559 --> 00:48:58.119
him and security guard to go, show me your other hand.

986
00:48:58.920 --> 00:49:01.280
That's in referenced to James to hand because he never

987
00:49:01.480 --> 00:49:02.760
showed both hands.

988
00:49:02.800 --> 00:49:07.920
On Yes, yes, yes, yeah, Oh that's great.

989
00:49:08.559 --> 00:49:13.679
Love it. Learn something new every day listening to you too.

990
00:49:16.800 --> 00:49:19.400
All right, how about our final thoughts on Star Trek

991
00:49:19.480 --> 00:49:22.119
into Darkness? Anything else you'd like to contribute.

992
00:49:22.480 --> 00:49:24.840
So I think we kind of covered a lot of

993
00:49:24.880 --> 00:49:28.320
our bases on this. This is a proof that when

994
00:49:28.320 --> 00:49:29.760
you've seen a movie a long time ago and you

995
00:49:29.840 --> 00:49:33.039
didn't really like it, give it another chance down the road.

996
00:49:33.920 --> 00:49:35.639
You know, after this long period of time of me

997
00:49:35.760 --> 00:49:39.039
not seeing it again watching it for the podcast, I

998
00:49:39.159 --> 00:49:41.760
do appreciate this film a lot more now than I

999
00:49:41.840 --> 00:49:46.480
did then. So definitely take that opportunity when you have

1000
00:49:46.639 --> 00:49:48.440
a situation where you didn't like a film at first,

1001
00:49:48.519 --> 00:49:50.039
give it a second shot. Who knows.

1002
00:49:50.079 --> 00:49:50.559
You may like it.

1003
00:49:50.719 --> 00:49:53.400
You may like it like I do this one again.

1004
00:49:53.559 --> 00:49:55.920
If they would removed Gon from this, this movie would

1005
00:49:55.920 --> 00:49:59.719
have been completely a better film in my opinion, because

1006
00:49:59.719 --> 00:50:00.880
you did meeting at all.

1007
00:50:01.440 --> 00:50:02.920
I agreed, yep.

1008
00:50:03.079 --> 00:50:04.880
That sums it up completely for me.

1009
00:50:05.239 --> 00:50:08.119
Yeah, yeah, same, same, same same. You know, let John

1010
00:50:08.159 --> 00:50:10.119
Harrison be John Harrison. He does not need to be

1011
00:50:10.199 --> 00:50:13.840
conn Like I said, I love uh like you said, Wayne.

1012
00:50:13.920 --> 00:50:16.599
Of course, it was beautiful that they gave the spot

1013
00:50:16.679 --> 00:50:20.000
to Leonard Nimoy, but I did, on the other side

1014
00:50:20.000 --> 00:50:23.039
of that, feel that it was not necessary per se

1015
00:50:23.480 --> 00:50:26.400
to move the story forward to get to where they.

1016
00:50:26.360 --> 00:50:29.639
Needed to go. So you know, if if I was

1017
00:50:29.760 --> 00:50:32.360
doing like a fan edit of this, you know.

1018
00:50:32.400 --> 00:50:34.559
That'd be one of several things that I probably would

1019
00:50:34.960 --> 00:50:36.960
would remove, you know, I got to do like the

1020
00:50:37.039 --> 00:50:39.440
Highlander two renegade edit or whatever.

1021
00:50:39.679 --> 00:50:44.119
Yeah, yep, And that concludes our look back at the

1022
00:50:44.199 --> 00:50:47.639
film Star Trek Into Darkness. We'd like to open a

1023
00:50:47.679 --> 00:50:50.440
subspace channel to our listeners and here just what you

1024
00:50:50.599 --> 00:50:53.800
thought about this entry into the Star Trek universe, your

1025
00:50:53.880 --> 00:50:56.639
stories of how you saw it first, and your opinions

1026
00:50:56.679 --> 00:50:59.800
of the film today. Who knows you might even mention

1027
00:51:00.159 --> 00:51:02.920
or appear on a future show like Jason.

1028
00:51:03.440 --> 00:51:07.480
Yes, yes, yes, again, thank you for allowing me on

1029
00:51:07.599 --> 00:51:08.039
your bridge.

1030
00:51:08.480 --> 00:51:10.840
Yeah, Jason has been a pleasure man. We love having

1031
00:51:10.920 --> 00:51:14.039
fans like us to come join us talk about what

1032
00:51:14.159 --> 00:51:16.119
we love. And we all love Star Trek, so it's

1033
00:51:16.119 --> 00:51:18.280
always nice and when we can get together and break

1034
00:51:18.320 --> 00:51:18.639
it down.

1035
00:51:19.039 --> 00:51:21.719
Oh yeah, this has been This has been nothing but fun. Yeah.

1036
00:51:21.840 --> 00:51:25.119
Like I said, yeah again, I watched it just to

1037
00:51:25.199 --> 00:51:28.199
make sure, you know, I wasn't like conflating my my

1038
00:51:28.440 --> 00:51:30.239
movies or whatever, so you know, I made sure I

1039
00:51:30.320 --> 00:51:32.559
watched it before I went to bed last night. And yes,

1040
00:51:32.679 --> 00:51:35.239
this has been such fun. And again I love listening

1041
00:51:35.280 --> 00:51:37.599
to you too. Anyway, go back and forth. It's beautiful.

1042
00:51:38.079 --> 00:51:40.760
Thank you, Star Trek. Star Trek is a great way

1043
00:51:40.800 --> 00:51:44.840
to meet friends, it isn't, David met yep. Nice And

1044
00:51:45.039 --> 00:51:46.800
we were so happy that you're on the show.

1045
00:51:47.880 --> 00:51:49.960
And again, I thank you so much for even you know,

1046
00:51:50.039 --> 00:51:52.480
putting up with me for an hour. I appreciate it

1047
00:51:52.599 --> 00:51:53.239
so so much.

1048
00:51:53.440 --> 00:51:54.360
It's been a pleasure, man.

1049
00:51:54.480 --> 00:51:56.679
It really the same same, same, same same.

1050
00:51:57.880 --> 00:51:59.800
I gotta say I'm kind of worried about something because

1051
00:52:00.280 --> 00:52:02.480
when Scott left or shortly I think he had a

1052
00:52:02.519 --> 00:52:03.039
red shirt on.

1053
00:52:03.679 --> 00:52:09.039
Oh no, I think you're right. We better send a

1054
00:52:09.079 --> 00:52:10.519
security detachment.

1055
00:52:10.119 --> 00:52:13.320
To Oh yeah, I'd say so.

1056
00:52:14.960 --> 00:52:17.079
Of course, you can email at us at a Film

1057
00:52:17.159 --> 00:52:20.800
by Podcast at gmail dot com, find us online at

1058
00:52:20.840 --> 00:52:24.760
a film by podcast dot com, follow us on Facebook, Instagram,

1059
00:52:24.840 --> 00:52:27.760
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1060
00:52:27.880 --> 00:52:30.559
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1061
00:52:30.599 --> 00:52:34.199
what incredible gems are hidden within. Thank you David for

1062
00:52:34.320 --> 00:52:38.000
joining me and the listeners for another fascinating discussion, and

1063
00:52:38.159 --> 00:52:40.280
a great big thank you to our number one fan,

1064
00:52:40.639 --> 00:52:43.719
Jason Cowswick for coming onto our show and talk about

1065
00:52:43.800 --> 00:52:45.039
into Darkness.

1066
00:52:44.960 --> 00:52:47.119
Absolutely, Thanks again, Jason, Thank you.

1067
00:52:47.440 --> 00:52:50.880
You guys have a great one you too, Thank you, And.

1068
00:52:50.960 --> 00:52:52.960
If you haven't already done so, go back and check

1069
00:52:52.960 --> 00:52:55.079
out our podcast reviews of the other films and TV

1070
00:52:55.199 --> 00:52:57.679
shows in the Star Trek universe, and then join us

1071
00:52:57.679 --> 00:53:00.360
skin soon where we reach the end of our journey

1072
00:53:00.440 --> 00:53:03.880
into the Star Trek film franchise. For now, when we

1073
00:53:03.960 --> 00:53:08.400
talk about twenty sixteen's Star Trek Beyond, Let's see if

1074
00:53:08.400 --> 00:53:11.519
they can go beyond hacking up old and classic ideas

1075
00:53:11.559 --> 00:53:14.360
and come up with something fresh and exciting, and we

1076
00:53:14.440 --> 00:53:16.960
hope that everyone will join us again for that discussion

1077
00:53:17.360 --> 00:53:19.800
on the next episode of Phasers, set to stunt