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Space the Final Frontier. Join us for a bold conversation
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our prime directive to recap our favorite Star Trek shows,
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both new and old, to engage and debate about all
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things Trek. Prepare to energize with Phasers Set to Stunt.
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Hello everyone, and welcome back to Phaser Set the Stun,
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where we continue to show our love for everything Star
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Trek in this ongoing series from a film by podcast
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which focuses on every quadrant of the expanding universe of Trek,
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the covering television, animation, movies, directors, merchandise, and so much more.
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Plotting the course as always is your Core Trek crew.
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I'm David Byurns, I'm scottle Hoffman, and I'm Wayne widen Well.
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Gentlemen, we hear at Phaser Satistan are joining in on
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the celebration of the sixtieth anniversary of Star Trek by
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diving into the original series that started it all. We're
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going to work our way through all three seasons, breaking
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down the episodes and discussing them like we love to
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do well. Today, we are starting with the original at
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the time unaired pilot The Cage, written by Gene rodden
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Berry and directed by Robert Butler. One might notice in
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this episode that we have a different captain. We know
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who that is, of course, Captain Pike, and with the
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exception of mister Spock and actress Mijelee Barrett, who would
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be recast as Nurse Chapel, a completely different crew. But
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before we get any further, Wayne, why don't you tell
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our listeners what this episode is about.
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Captain Christopher Pike leads the Enterprise on a rescue mission
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to Talos four, where he encounters the survivors of a
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long lost expedition and meets Verna, a young woman with them.
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He soon discovers the survivors are illusions created by the
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telepathic Telosians, who capture him and imprison him underground. The
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Telosians attempt to manipulate Pike through elaborate fantasies, hoping to
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force him and Vena to repopulate their dying civilization. With
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the help of his crew, Pike resists their control by
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exploiting emotions the Telosians cannot fully understand, proving humans are
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too independent to enslave. Pike learns Vena's beauty is an
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illusion masking her severe injuries, and the Telosians allow her
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to remain behind with their own fantasy while the Enterprise departs.
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So NBC reportedly called this pilot too intellectual, toothflow and
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not enough action, which is why they find this back. Luckily,
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they find it back. If they know have a give
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us another one and we pretty much get what we
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got today, you know, with the crew that we know today.
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I should say, but what do you guys think about that?
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I mean, what we know today, what we know starts
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track all the episodes we have seen over the years.
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I mean that episode the cage fits the mode perfectly,
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does it not?
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Oh yeah, yeah? And you know I while I agree
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with NBC's decision for a pilot, as a pilot, this
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is rather cerebral. It's probably not what they're looking for.
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But I love this episode. I actually consider this one
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of the top ten of the original series. I always
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have ever since I first saw it. So as a pilot,
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I can see where they're coming from. I really can.
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There's not really that much action happening in this It
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is all cerebral. It's a very in depth story, to
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tell you the truth. But it's very well written, very
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well directed. The acting in my opinion is fantastic. It's
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it is very different though there's a lot of different stuff.
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You know, it was that Star Trek has not established
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itself yet with this f emisode.
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Scott thoughts, Yeah, I mean it's it's kind of hard
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to like you almost have to put yourself in their
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shoes at the time, because for us, especially for the
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three of us, we've grown up with this stuff.
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I would say the only thing that seemed maybe too
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cerebral was trying to get your head around what was
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real and what was an illusion or you know, the
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it didn't seem all that like it's not one of
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the courtroom episodes or something that tastes a lot of
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kind of you know, understanding different species or whatever. You've
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basically just got the Telsans. So it it kind of
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surprised me when I heard that, especially considering Forbidden Planet
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was what fifty seven. Yeah, and it doesn't seem like
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it's it's much more cerebral than that. So, I don't know,
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it have been different if they would have continued with
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this version of Star Trek. Yeah, they had you know,
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switched over to what was probably a little bit more
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action based than what we had.
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if you were then mbacy executive greenlit this pilot, what
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what would we have gotten different? I mean, would we
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have gotten Kirk eventually wouldn't have got any No, we
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wouldn't have because we would have gone on with Pike.
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Kirk would have never existed.
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have been made? Its three seasons? I mean, we really
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don't know. It's all guesswork. But you know, you got
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to really think. You know, Scott, you brought up a
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good point right there. You gotta really got to think
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about the state of television at the time. There really
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b movie sci fi at the time. We haven't got
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into the mainstream science fiction yet. You know, this is
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pre this This episode was filmed pre Lost in Space,
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you know, pre Irwin Allen, pre all that that sci
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Fi Voyage at Bottom of the Sea was just beginning
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to air when this was being filmed, so there really
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wasn't much sci fi other than The Twilight Zone at
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that time. So you know, I can see why Roddenberry
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marketed this to NBC as what you called it, the
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wagon Train to the Stars because Westerns were like really big,
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but Westerns were action. That's what people watch them for.
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to have seen this as a series. And when you
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think it makes the mind wonder, really it does.
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Maybe we'll put it in that block byth for Video
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Scott that we talk about that a different universe.
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It'll be just a single episode on a VHS.
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But it also makes me think about like the personality
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dynamics in this The three big ones that come to
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mind are really just the ones that I'm most kind
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of drawn to, which would be Pike, Number one and Spock.
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I thought it was interesting to read that Leonard Nimoy
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was inclined to place Spock as a little bit more
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energetic because Pike was being acted as so stoic, but
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it almost felt like Number one was kind of leaning
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into the McCoy kind of aspect, like the kind of
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dynamic where you know, McCoy usually fits where he kind
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of turns a side eye and he's like, I don't
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know about all this.
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I find it interesting though that the doctor Boyce he
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has a lot of McCoy in him.
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and he brings his medical bag and Pike's basically, I
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don't need medical attention, what are you doing? But he
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was making drinks is what he was doing, making a
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marketing So I mean that really was McCoy right there.
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so you already I always find it. I just want
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to say because of that scene too stands out for
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me because I find it really interesting how pike situation
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and how he described you know, it feels like we're
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walking into the middle for a pilot. We're walking into
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the middle of a story. You know, we've got, you know,
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some sort of an adventure that happened before this, and
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Pike is like wanting to throw it all out and resign.
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I found that really interesting that they chose to start
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it in between storylines. It's you know, I just want
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to bring that up.
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I think I think he was wanting to go somewhere,
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kind of like George Lucas they was Star Wars. He
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started right in the middle of the action, and you
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want to know what's going on. So I felt like
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gen Ryin Berry did that on purpose because he was
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that more in the series. At least, That's why what
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Roberts was doing. I think I'll find it funny because
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when I was watching this episode again, when they made
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it down to the planet and I saw Spock was limping,
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I was like, what the hell is Spock limping? And
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then I realized it's because if they were the wounds
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and stuff they received from the battle that they had
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that they talk about, that's why he was limping.
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I never realized that either until I did the research
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for this the same heat because I've seen that, I
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never realized it.
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I say, is this a mistake? What's going up? But
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then when it dug into it, I'm like, oh, okay,
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that makes sense. Now, Okay, I do find it interesting,
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and we'll talk a little bit more about the episode here,
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but I do find it interesting though that Geene Rodberry
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and two later on in the original Star Trek. So
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at least the footage didn't just get lost, you know.
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as it was meant to be seen. But because you
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you saw it, And if you didn't know the history
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of the unair Parler, you had no clue. You thought
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the original series, because I don't know anybody that actually
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they were thinking, you know, did they realize that this
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was the pilot or did they just think these were
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like special scenes that you know were filmed for that episode,
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tangent here, but I'm anxious to find out ho they're
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going to end Strange New World with. Are they going
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to do this very similar thing? Are we going to
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after the story, after this story.
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Yeah, well we do have to see what happens to Pike.
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We all know what happened, we do. We've seen that yet.
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Yeah, absolutely interesting. So what do you guys think about
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the opening? The very similar opening of Star Trek, we know,
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just without the narration.
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I like it.
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for the narration. I was like, when's it coming? But
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then it doesn't. I liked it though, I do too.
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hearing that theme.
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other episodes, obviously because it's messing that up episode that element,
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but it also makes it almost feel a little bit
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more cinematic.
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It does. You're right, and I think that's probably what
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he was going for. I just I found that very awkward.
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mentioned that, and I thought that was kind of neat
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because they were are on their way to like save
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rescue somebody I think, or go to a planet I
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think it was, and they got was going to get
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sidetracked because Spock had found like a crashed ship, but
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there was no survivors at first, and that's they did
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find the survivors. Well we know they really weren't there,
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their their version of the warp drive that makes me
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laugh every time I see it, the flashing in and
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out with this, Yeah, I'm glad they didn't continue with that.
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Yeah, it almost looked like they were kind of like
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the starfield for some reason, felt like they were kind
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of running from left to right through this like sound
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stage of just like lights on a poles something like that.
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It was very hard to like I could see these
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little like clusters stars. It's kind of weird, you know.
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I think one of the lines that really made me cringe,
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and like when he when Pike says, seeing he can't
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get used to a woman on the bridge, no, no,
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no offense, Lieutenant, you are different, and she's got that
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like what right?
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Wow?
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I mean I know the time period obviously, you know,
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we know the growth this series had. This series, uh
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Is has done a lot for different ethics and races
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and stuff like that, so we've got to give it
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to him, you know, just just just to see that
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was kind.
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Of awkward, well, especially given that this is you know,
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jumping in the middle of the story, so it's not
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like Number one has been there for like a day.
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So yeah, she's got a reason to give him the
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side eye on that.
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Yeah, I agree. And then how about the use of
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paper in the future. That's another thing I found very
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awkward in this episode.
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Yeah, that is weird. Yeah, I'm glad they got away
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from that too. Gosh.
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I wonder if it was a sponsor ad, like they
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had to be like brought to you by Mead or
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thunder Mifflin or whatever.
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I don't know, it could be.
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I wonder if if they have people someone specifically has
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changed the rules of paper on their printers, you know,
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if that's a specific job.
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Well, I guess they would have to. It doesn't magically
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appear there right.
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Well, yeah, you know they didn't. We never saw a
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you know, like a replicator or anything. So yeah, someone
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had to do it.
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Yeah, okay, so missed opportunity for a Lower Decks episode
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of Lower Decks on the original series, specifically in this one. Yeah,
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somebody has got to launder all their sweater uniforms and
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you know, give a spuck a bad haircut, things like that.
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I did like the coats they were.
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I did too.
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That was it.
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I mean, we we saw that. We didn't see that
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until the movies came around, though, those like Way Team Jackets.
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I think they should do that more with the series.
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I agree that, well, I think Straighter World started doing
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it least, and.
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They remember they did? They did what that makes sense?
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And we mentioned it there too. How cool those jackets were?
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So he did I remember? You wanted one of those?
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Yes, I still do, but I just for for the
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time period, I thought, Theo's jackets, who are pretty cool?
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I really do, they are?
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You know so?
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But no, a lot of cool things in this episode.
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I really really like Jeffrey Hunter as Captain Pike. I do.
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I would like to have seen his character explored more.
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And I'm glad we're getting out with Strange New World,
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obviously with ancient Mount playing Pike, but I would have
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liked gotten more of Jeffrey Hunter. I just I just
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found him very intriguing and he's a good actor, he
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really is, and the things he pulls off in this
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episode I thought, you know, really made me care for
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his character.
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I agree with that. It would have been nice. But
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I also and this has always been in the back
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of my mind ever since I learned that he died
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very young. I think he died like what was a
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sixty eight or sixty nine?
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He really I didn't know.
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Yeah, yeah, so you really have to think about, you know,
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how you think about start now? And then if he
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had been the starring role, what would happen? You know,
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maybe would have got Kirk at that point.
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We don't know. Maybe you know, hmm, we will never know. Unfortunately, No.
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One of the things I found very interesting Wayne and Scott,
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you both get a kick out of this is I'd
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forgotten about. I mean I knew a lot about this episode,
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but had forgotten that when he was put in the
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cage to sell it was kind of like a zoo.
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I quickly had flashes of the Orville. Please tell me
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you did too.
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Oh, I forgot about that that one episode.
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Yes, I'm still catching up.
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Okay, we were, but it really did.
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They had to have taken inspiration from the cage and question, Like,
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I never made that that connection between the two.
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Yeah, I did either to. I watched his like, holy crap,
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Seth Bickfurtland had to be an influenced by this so well,
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he was doing Star Trek filming. He still is, so
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obviously he pulled from this. Had to have something looks
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for it. You do. Yeah, it was good and you'll
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recognize it right away. Scott. Now that we're kind of
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spoil a little bit of that for you, but.
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Sorry about that. So that's good.
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But the whole thing down there on the planet and
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stuff like that, I thought that was cool. I liked
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the twist at the end two of where she was
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an illusion to to a degree. I mean, she was
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still a living, breathing human being. And I like the
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explanation of the fact that they had never seen a
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human before, so they didn't know how to put her
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back together. You know, they saved her life, but you know,
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they didn't know what a human looked like. I thought
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that was a cool twist at the end. I really don't.
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It was almost a Twilight Zone type style twists, you know, yeah, yeah.
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And you know, I also want to say for nineteen
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sixty four sixty five television, the Telosians and the makeup
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and the way they were put together is really really
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well done.
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Yep.
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I mean that they stand up for on modern television. Really,
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you know, the idea of putting you know, small women
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as the bodies but having the voice of the man
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and then having the large heads that pulsate. That was
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very very well well done makeup and actually, you know,
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that's got to be be very different from anyone anything
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anyone else have saw on television at the time.
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It definitely had vibes of the fifty sci fi I
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know this is in the sixty fee. It definitely had
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the vibes of that, and that's what I really liked
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about and appreciated it. But yeah, that that pulsating in
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their mother brother heads was so cool, Like you couldn't
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take your eyes off of it. You really couldn't.
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Yeah, it's very distracting.
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Well, and when they when they kind of, you know,
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revealed Vina's kind of true state. I mean, I guess
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surgically they had to put her together, not with any
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kind of like technology, But I didn't kind of feel like,
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you know, since you've transported two other women to the surface,
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you have kind of an idea of what human specifically
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women look like, maybe you could take another crack at
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fixing Vena, right, just yep her out, like I imagine
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she's I don't know, I guess they're they managing going
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to kind of like discomfort or whatever with illusions, but man,
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and just kind of a poor idea to say, like, yeah,
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I'm sure she could reproduce with no problem being put
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together back together the way that she was. It's that's
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a shot in the dark.
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You know, I laughed, because I'm looking through the glasses
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of today technology. So when they said that they can
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give her, you know, basically what she wants. So she
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got her illusion back. She made herself look they made
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herself look young again. But they gave her a pike,
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you know, a a clone of him basically. And I
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was thinking, looking through today's glasses, Wait a minute, did
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he give permission for that?
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AI?
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Right there? Did pike corruitions?
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Right?
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So silly, I know, but I literally did think of
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that about that.
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So you know my thought about the ending of it.
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I always find the ending rather tragic, to tell you.
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I know it's supposed to be it's supposed to be
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an happy ending, but it's not. To me, it's not
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a really happy ending. I feel like kind of sorry
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for me. And I mean, you know, you know, they
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did their best putting it together, but she's still trapped
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on this world. She always she'll know, I mean, she'll
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know that's not the real Pike. That's it's an illusion.
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She's living an illusion. I don't think I wouldn't be
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happy in that situation. I don't think she would have
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been either, So in my way, it's a tragic ending.
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Yeah, I mean it's got very much of a Truman
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showed shelf life to it, right, Yea, after a while,
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like if the idea is they're supposed to appropriate the
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species and live together and raise kids, the Delusions have
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no idea, they're going to run out of notes in
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like two days probably, Yeah.
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Yeah, I mean it's like being in the Holidack. I mean,
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you would be great for a long time, but after
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a while you'd want to get back to the real world,
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you know, you get tired of the illusion, the made
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up world. That's the way I feel about it.
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Yeah, I think you're right. What do you think about
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the dancing Orion scene?
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That's iconic?
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It is very very iconics.
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At the end of every episode to start trek.
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It sure is. It's interesting how Pikey gets angry in
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that scene and gets up and walks out, isn't it.
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Yeah, well, it's it's very cringey, like I don't know
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who the one guy is supposed to be, but there's
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that one guy dude that's always leering and he's.
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Like yeah, yeah, very creaky, making it so much worse.
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H but interesting that they would even that the televisions
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would even go there to say like, oh you want
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super sexy, hulked out Vina, Okay, well here you go,
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and he's like no, no, And especially with that guy, no.
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Yeah. You know, another character that I would love to
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have seen more. I mean, luckily we're getting it with
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Strange New Worlds, but it's it. Majell Barrett's Number one.
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I loved her in that role. Even though we just
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this a little bit. We get I know, we get
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her as Nurse Chapel, in a role in the original series,
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but to see her in this role as Number one,
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it just I don't know. She stood out so good
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as a second in charge of the enterprise, you know.
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And it's the potential, that's what you're seeing. It's the
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potential that character. We see that there's so much to it,
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and we were kind of sad that we don't get
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to see any more than just this hour that we
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got of.
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Her, because I mean, she was fantastic in that role.
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I'm sure you guys agree with that.
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Yeah, absolutely, yeah. I mean it's one of my favorite
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parts about Strange New Worlds is that we've got kind
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of the revival of that. But yeah, Majel does an
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amazing job in that role, and that's one thing that
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I would have liked to have seen of subsequent episodes.
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It seems like they're you know, if stars should have
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ligned in a different way, maybe there could have been
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some kind of you know, offshoot where you know, Pike
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and possibly Number one and maybe some of the other
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crew members are on a different starship than the Enterprise
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for whatever reason, and they could have occasionally interacted with
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the Enterprise itself or maybe even had just kind of
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you know, spinoff episodes.
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But yeah, yeah, yeah, I just and I'm sure all
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the people listening to the show obviously, you know, Michoelbertt
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would go on to be locks On or Troy and
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also in what Next Generation d Space nine Voyager and
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then obviously she is the voice of the Enterprise in
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the Next Generation, So I mean she's been she's been
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on Star Trek for a very very long time. And
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obviously the wife of Geene Roddenberry. Were they dating at
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this time.
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Yes, yeah, yes, yeah, they met on a series that
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he did before this, called Lieutenant, and he was very
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adamant about her casting because I believe in NBC did
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not want her. They like the character that I like
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the idea of a woman being on the bridge. He
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didn't like her, but he was very adamant about having her.
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On there, and I'm glad he went out on that
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because she was fantastic. Overall, I think this episode was
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a really good episode, and again I guess NBC is right.
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Thankfully they were, because we got the Star Trek that
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we do get and who knows what would have come
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of it, you know, so many things, so many variables,
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I guess. But looking back, like I said, I mean,
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this really truly fits the mold of a Star Trek episode.
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It really does, from beginning to end, no questions about it.
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Any any interesting things you guys want to talk about
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about the episode.
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I I'd love to mention. I mean, it's it's a
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big wat if. But I'm very happy that that they
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did incorporate this episode into the continuity because it really
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it expands, you know, the whole the whole enterprise life.
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You know, we got all these stories that we can
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imagine and tell from that from before Kirk becoming. We
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got strange new worlds out of it, which I'm very
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thankful for because we all love that series. But I'm
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just it's a it's a big what if. It just
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makes the mind flow when you think of the ideas
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that can come from this, and you know, I'm surprised
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there hasn't been more to this. There's a few comics,
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but there's nearly never been in very many novels told51200:25:21.079 --> 00:25:24.079
about this in this timeline. So you know, they need51300:25:24.119 --> 00:25:25.359
to get they need to be working on.51400:25:25.319 --> 00:25:27.440
That they do and make a good comic book.51500:25:27.440 --> 00:25:28.799
Wayne, I think so too.51600:25:29.440 --> 00:25:32.480
It really would interesting. Well let's move on, guys. So51700:25:33.200 --> 00:25:34.559
one of the things that we love to do in51800:25:34.599 --> 00:25:37.599
the series that the current series that we do, we51900:25:37.720 --> 00:25:40.000
like to talk about which characters shine the most and52000:25:40.079 --> 00:25:41.640
who we would like to be in the episode. So52100:25:41.680 --> 00:25:45.640
I wanted to carry that on to this series. We52200:25:45.720 --> 00:25:47.440
know this is the OG series, and I like we52300:25:47.559 --> 00:25:49.240
like to treat it like it's new, right. We want52400:25:49.240 --> 00:25:52.200
to talk about the episode, explore them and those kinds52500:25:52.200 --> 00:25:55.400
of things. So, which character do you think shine the52600:25:55.400 --> 00:25:57.160
most in this episode? Way? You know, I'll let you52700:25:57.160 --> 00:25:57.599
go first.52800:25:58.119 --> 00:26:00.359
Well, for me, and we mentioned this a couple of times,52900:26:00.359 --> 00:26:03.480
it's number one in this episode. I mean, she's really53000:26:03.640 --> 00:26:06.960
from in my opinion, the breakthrough character here not just53100:26:07.000 --> 00:26:09.480
the fact that you know, a woman in charge, which53200:26:09.599 --> 00:26:12.680
is unusual for nineteen sixties Tellivision, but that she's She's53300:26:12.720 --> 00:26:18.039
a highly intelligent, composed, very decisive in everything she does.53400:26:18.319 --> 00:26:22.319
She's an important part of Pike's command staff, and you know,53500:26:22.319 --> 00:26:24.200
it's a role that would be taken over by Spock53600:26:24.279 --> 00:26:29.400
when Kirk takes charge. But really here she's setting the53700:26:29.440 --> 00:26:33.079
tone of the female role in all of Star Trek53800:26:33.160 --> 00:26:36.319
that comes after this, and really, when you think about that, that53900:26:36.319 --> 00:26:38.960
makes her one of the most important figures in the54000:26:39.000 --> 00:26:42.400
Star Trek cannon. You know, like I said before, of54100:26:42.440 --> 00:26:45.839
all the characters, I wish Roddenberry had carried her over54200:26:46.200 --> 00:26:49.000
into this series. I'm not saying replaced Spock, but I54300:26:49.119 --> 00:26:50.920
like to I wish she could have carried that character54400:26:50.960 --> 00:26:53.839
over into the regular series because you know, we got54500:26:53.880 --> 00:26:56.759
strange new worlds, thank God for that. So I'm kind54600:26:56.759 --> 00:26:58.680
of getting my wish of seeing more number one, and54700:26:59.039 --> 00:27:03.119
I love what they're doing, but I think she stood54800:27:03.160 --> 00:27:04.119
out the most for me.54900:27:05.119 --> 00:27:05.880
Scott Love about You.55000:27:06.359 --> 00:27:09.400
I totally agree with one hundred percent of everything that55100:27:09.440 --> 00:27:12.880
Wayne said. It's number one for me without a doubt.55200:27:14.359 --> 00:27:18.079
I think considering what I mentioned before about the kind55300:27:18.079 --> 00:27:21.000
of dynamic between Pike and Spock, and Spock needed to55400:27:21.119 --> 00:27:23.279
feed a little bit more of that energy. I feel like,55500:27:24.279 --> 00:27:27.160
knowing what kind of performances we got from Major in55600:27:27.279 --> 00:27:31.119
subsequent roles, it would have been so fascinating to see55700:27:31.279 --> 00:27:38.480
that personality come out, like imagine kind of the the55800:27:38.480 --> 00:27:42.599
the nature of Luwaksana Troy in the idea of kind55900:27:42.640 --> 00:27:45.279
of like you know, taking people down a few pegs56000:27:45.480 --> 00:27:49.079
and you know, taking command of a lot of situations.56100:27:49.279 --> 00:27:51.160
I feel like it would have been fun to see56200:27:52.000 --> 00:27:55.240
those you know, more of Number one come out and56300:27:55.279 --> 00:27:59.400
see Major explore more the comedic side in addition to56400:27:59.559 --> 00:28:03.400
the commanding side that she has, especially if they followed56500:28:03.480 --> 00:28:06.400
suit and send Pike to the surface on a regular basis,56600:28:06.960 --> 00:28:09.279
having Number one be in control of the enterprise while56700:28:09.319 --> 00:28:11.480
he's away, I think it'd be amazing to see.56800:28:11.759 --> 00:28:15.480
Ye ye, well, I'm with both of you, guys. It's56900:28:15.559 --> 00:28:18.720
no doubt it's Number one in this because I mean,57000:28:18.799 --> 00:28:22.480
she truly does take charge and the time period of57100:28:22.559 --> 00:28:26.000
this was created, you don't see that kind of strength57200:28:26.000 --> 00:28:28.640
in a woman character. And I mean I believe there57300:28:28.680 --> 00:28:30.839
was even one point that Spock just wanted to leave.57400:28:31.000 --> 00:28:34.160
Remember he wanted he wanted to take off, and then57500:28:34.160 --> 00:28:36.319
she was like, no, you know, we're gonna do what57600:28:36.359 --> 00:28:39.319
we need to do to to basically safe Pike. And57700:28:39.400 --> 00:28:42.279
she's the one that commands the uh, the big laser57800:28:42.279 --> 00:28:44.160
to go down to the planet to you know, try57900:28:44.200 --> 00:28:46.160
to get to blow open the door to get to58000:28:46.200 --> 00:28:48.799
get to him. So, I mean a lot of it58100:28:48.880 --> 00:28:52.839
is is because of her, and she completely takes charge58200:28:52.839 --> 00:28:54.599
of that ship and everybody listens to her, they don't58300:28:54.599 --> 00:28:59.599
skip a beat. And and just the strength of miziell Berrett.58400:28:59.599 --> 00:29:02.880
I mean, she bring so much to that character and58500:29:02.920 --> 00:29:06.519
it comes off on screen beautifully. And you know, not58600:29:06.559 --> 00:29:08.759
to beat a dead horse, but you know, thank goodness58700:29:08.799 --> 00:29:11.039
we have strange new worlds to explore the character of58800:29:11.119 --> 00:29:15.119
Number one Una because seeing this again, I would want58900:29:15.319 --> 00:29:19.000
I would desperately want more of her character. Yeah, so59000:29:19.200 --> 00:29:20.920
no doubt about that. But good I'm glad we all59100:29:20.920 --> 00:29:22.640
agreed on that one. I had a feeling we would59200:29:23.640 --> 00:29:26.359
because she just man, she just stood out in this59300:29:26.440 --> 00:29:30.119
episode without question. So if you could beat any character59400:29:30.119 --> 00:29:32.279
in this episode, who would it have been? And why Scott,59500:29:32.319 --> 00:29:33.559
I'll let you go first.59600:29:34.000 --> 00:29:41.039
Same answer number one. Just considering how involved she was59700:29:41.160 --> 00:29:45.440
with the the rest of the mission right on the59800:29:45.599 --> 00:29:50.599
Enterprise on the surface, with the portable phaser for some reason,59900:29:51.119 --> 00:29:54.559
big cannon on the surface, right, she just had so much,60000:29:54.880 --> 00:29:56.680
so much more to do and so much more to explore.60100:29:56.680 --> 00:29:58.559
It feels like it I would have been fun, Wayne,60200:29:58.559 --> 00:30:00.160
what about you?60300:30:00.160 --> 00:30:00.480
You know me?60400:30:00.559 --> 00:30:02.599
I like to take the character that has the least60500:30:02.599 --> 00:30:04.960
amount to do and is in the least amount of danger,60600:30:05.000 --> 00:30:10.680
So I chose Lieutenant jose Tyler. I mean, he's a navigator.60700:30:10.680 --> 00:30:12.759
He gets to navigate the Enterprise and he's on the60800:30:12.839 --> 00:30:15.240
landing party, so he's he's having the fun without having60900:30:15.279 --> 00:30:18.359
to have all the emotional turmoil and and and the61000:30:18.359 --> 00:30:20.920
the injuries and stuff. He's not affected by anything that61100:30:20.960 --> 00:30:23.200
really happens in this episode. Plus I did a little61200:30:23.200 --> 00:30:25.599
bit of research on this podcast because I wanted to61300:30:25.599 --> 00:30:27.839
know what happened to that character. You know, why isn't61400:30:27.839 --> 00:30:29.960
he in Strange New World? So I have found out61500:30:30.000 --> 00:30:32.039
that he left the ship right after, just before that61600:30:32.119 --> 00:30:34.440
series started, and went on and command his own ship.61700:30:34.519 --> 00:30:35.599
So yeah, I'll take him.61800:30:35.920 --> 00:30:39.119
Oh wow, look at you digging real deep on that61900:30:39.279 --> 00:30:43.799
char deep cut. Yeah, no kidding, damn, damn. For me,62000:30:44.240 --> 00:30:47.599
I'm gonna go with the the David smart ass remark62100:30:47.640 --> 00:30:50.160
and say Captain Pike just for the mere fact that62200:30:50.240 --> 00:30:55.480
he gets trapped with three very attractive women. I'm that Granted,62300:30:55.519 --> 00:30:57.000
he's got to go through a little of pain in62400:30:57.039 --> 00:30:59.519
agony and and suffering a little bit, but who doesn't62500:30:59.559 --> 00:31:04.559
for a beautif woman, right right exactly? Yeah, So I'm62600:31:04.599 --> 00:31:05.960
going with Keptain Pike on that one.62700:31:06.480 --> 00:31:07.079
Good choice.62800:31:08.519 --> 00:31:12.079
Well, obviously, you know, we we like to discuss in62900:31:12.119 --> 00:31:18.160
our episodes about Easter eggs, but guys, we really can't63000:31:18.200 --> 00:31:22.079
do that since this is the original Star Trek so63100:31:22.200 --> 00:31:25.039
nothing came before this. But what we can do is63200:31:25.119 --> 00:31:28.559
talk about some of our favorite facts from this episode.63300:31:28.599 --> 00:31:32.319
And Wayne, as you mentioned, you know, off the podcast,63400:31:33.599 --> 00:31:36.920
what created some Easter eggs that we get to to63500:31:36.960 --> 00:31:38.440
get to see in the future, you know, so well63600:31:38.519 --> 00:31:41.039
we talked about some of that stuff. So a lot63700:31:41.079 --> 00:31:42.799
of really cool I mean, we could sit here talk63800:31:42.839 --> 00:31:46.240
probably a couple hours about this episode about behind the63900:31:46.279 --> 00:31:49.160
scenes and you know, those kind of things of how64000:31:49.160 --> 00:31:51.119
I got created, why I got created, and you know,64100:31:51.160 --> 00:31:53.759
those kind of things. But one of these things I64200:31:53.759 --> 00:31:55.839
found very interesting about this fact, And anybody who knows64300:31:55.880 --> 00:31:59.559
the original Star Trek is unlike any of the other episodes,64400:32:00.200 --> 00:32:06.000
this pilot has zero body count, zero nobody dies.64500:32:06.039 --> 00:32:08.680
You're very right. I didn't know. I never noticed that.64600:32:08.720 --> 00:32:10.559
I know that is different.64700:32:11.400 --> 00:32:13.359
Yes, of course we didn't have the the the red64800:32:13.359 --> 00:32:16.799
shirt as we get later on in the original Star Trek,64900:32:17.240 --> 00:32:20.000
but apparently no cannon fodder this time, where in jean65000:32:20.079 --> 00:32:22.279
Ryberdy said, you know what, we need some cannon fodder65100:32:22.559 --> 00:32:25.839
in the in the later episodes. So what did you65200:32:25.839 --> 00:32:27.759
guys find out any interesting things?65300:32:28.039 --> 00:32:30.160
It's gotta let you go first if you found anything.65400:32:29.839 --> 00:32:33.720
Interesting, I appreciate that. The most interesting thing, you know,65500:32:33.960 --> 00:32:38.680
speaking of uh Majel Barrett kind of going above and beyond.65600:32:39.359 --> 00:32:44.400
Apparently for the the testing of the green skin for65700:32:44.559 --> 00:32:48.960
the Oriyan Vienna, uh, they went to Major Barrett as65800:32:49.000 --> 00:32:53.319
a test subject and her words, she was cheap. She65900:32:53.440 --> 00:32:57.720
was there and our guest star wasn't. But apparently she66000:32:57.799 --> 00:33:01.200
had to go over and over again to get this66100:33:01.240 --> 00:33:07.400
application because the they weren't able to see the right66200:33:07.440 --> 00:33:10.640
shade of green on the screen. So I guess it66300:33:10.759 --> 00:33:12.920
kind of reminds me of Incredible Hulk, you know, early days,66400:33:12.960 --> 00:33:17.119
trying to go from gray to green. But apparently it66500:33:17.160 --> 00:33:19.759
turns out the makeup artist discovered that the film processing66600:33:19.920 --> 00:33:22.559
that was decolorizing her because they didn't know she was66700:33:22.599 --> 00:33:23.440
supposed to be green.66800:33:25.160 --> 00:33:25.640
Oh wow.66900:33:26.359 --> 00:33:28.559
That speaks to how much of a trooper Majel is67000:33:28.799 --> 00:33:31.960
for going through such an exhaustive process over and over67100:33:32.039 --> 00:33:34.039
again to just be like you just had the wrong67200:33:34.079 --> 00:33:34.559
filter on.67300:33:35.720 --> 00:33:40.599
Really, that is either she loves that role, she loved67400:33:40.599 --> 00:33:42.480
being in front of the camera, or she has a67500:33:42.519 --> 00:33:43.799
deep love of Keen rod Berry.67600:33:43.960 --> 00:33:47.240
Yeah, I mean one or the other.67700:33:47.440 --> 00:33:50.400
Yeah, one of the others, Wayne, what about you?67800:33:50.519 --> 00:33:52.880
All right, Well, let me start because I actually found67900:33:52.920 --> 00:33:54.799
out a lot of stuff that I didn't know, which68000:33:54.839 --> 00:33:57.319
really surprised me when I was doing the research this.68100:33:57.519 --> 00:34:00.920
But I learned that McCage wasn't the only script that68200:34:01.000 --> 00:34:04.720
Roddenberry submitted to NBC as a possible pilot. There were68300:34:04.720 --> 00:34:07.759
two others. The first one was titled up the Perfect68400:34:07.799 --> 00:34:10.800
World and would later be rewritten to become the episode68500:34:10.800 --> 00:34:14.119
The Return of the Archins, and the second one was68600:34:14.159 --> 00:34:17.400
titled The Women, which would be rewritten to become MUDs Women.68700:34:18.079 --> 00:34:20.679
I think NBC chose wisely, but it'd be interesting to68800:34:20.880 --> 00:34:23.440
think of those two episodes and how they would have68900:34:23.480 --> 00:34:26.519
been with Pike and his crew in them. Also, in69000:34:26.599 --> 00:34:29.320
his original pitch for the Cage, it wasn't Captain Christoph69100:34:29.400 --> 00:34:32.400
Pike in Commanded the Enterprise, it was Captain Robert April.69200:34:32.599 --> 00:34:35.400
Now we are familiar with this character now because he appeared, well,69300:34:35.440 --> 00:34:38.159
he appeared in the original, the animated series, but he's69400:34:38.199 --> 00:34:42.119
been a major character in Star Trek Strange New Worlds. Also,69500:34:42.280 --> 00:34:45.320
when the script will always be credited to Gene Roddenberry,69600:34:45.480 --> 00:34:47.559
there were really two other people that had a big69700:34:47.599 --> 00:34:50.159
influence in its writing. The first one was a man69800:34:50.239 --> 00:34:53.360
named Harvey Lynn, who was a physicist who was acting69900:34:53.360 --> 00:34:56.679
as a technical advisor. He suggested a lot of what70000:34:56.719 --> 00:34:59.639
would later become like Star Trek lore, part of the70100:34:59.639 --> 00:35:01.960
contin nuity of the things we know like phasers and70200:35:02.000 --> 00:35:05.719
warp drive and stuff like that. And also Desilu executive70300:35:05.960 --> 00:35:09.880
Herb Solo, who offered Roddenberry a lot of suggestions and70400:35:09.960 --> 00:35:13.480
changes in order to keep this pilot within budget. So70500:35:13.519 --> 00:35:16.239
they definitely get credit for the creation of Star Trek,70600:35:16.280 --> 00:35:18.719
they should. And another man, I want to bring up70700:35:18.800 --> 00:35:21.159
is the director of the episode, Robert Butler. He was70800:35:21.199 --> 00:35:24.880
a very well known successful TV director. He directed episodes70900:35:24.920 --> 00:35:27.559
of like The Dick Van Dyke Show, Twilight Zone, Batman,71000:35:27.840 --> 00:35:30.320
even directed the episodes of Lewis and Clark, The Adventures71100:35:30.360 --> 00:35:33.679
of Superman. But I know him big because he directed71200:35:33.679 --> 00:35:36.000
the pilot episode of Hill Street Blues, which is something71300:35:36.039 --> 00:35:38.320
that's always stuck in my memory, and he won an71400:35:38.360 --> 00:35:41.559
Amy Award for that too. There's another person I want71500:35:41.599 --> 00:35:44.039
to mention too. The man who provided the voice of71600:35:44.079 --> 00:35:48.760
the lead television was Malachi Thron. Assuming Malachi Throne. He71700:35:48.800 --> 00:35:51.360
was a frequent guest star to many TV series Lost71800:35:51.360 --> 00:35:54.159
in Space, Time Tunnel Batman. He was even on Babylon Five,71900:35:54.679 --> 00:35:57.880
but he would return to Star Trek in nineteen ninety72000:35:57.880 --> 00:36:01.360
one to play the Romulin Senator par Deck in the72100:36:01.400 --> 00:36:05.559
Next Generation episode Unification Part two. He also did voices72200:36:05.559 --> 00:36:08.199
for Like Batman and Beyond an animated Axe, and he72300:36:08.360 --> 00:36:12.880
was the narrator on the original trailer for Star Wars Now.72400:36:13.519 --> 00:36:17.639
The reason for Spocks out of character smile on Tallow's72500:36:17.679 --> 00:36:22.199
four was finally explained actually in the Star Trek Short72600:36:22.239 --> 00:36:26.719
Treks episode Q and A released in twenty nineteen. In fact,72700:36:26.760 --> 00:36:28.679
there's a lot in this episode as we mentioned, that72800:36:28.719 --> 00:36:31.880
goes against Star Trek continuities. Just just watch it and72900:36:31.960 --> 00:36:33.960
enjoy it and kind of ignore all that. That's the73000:36:33.960 --> 00:36:38.119
best way to do this. Now, I saw in Pike's73100:36:38.159 --> 00:36:40.400
quarters on the shelf, you can see another piece of73200:36:40.400 --> 00:36:42.599
the uniform that we really never was using. That was73300:36:42.639 --> 00:36:45.679
the Captain's hat. We never see it again, We never73400:36:45.679 --> 00:36:48.119
see anyone wear it a Lisa, not until we saw73500:36:48.320 --> 00:36:51.920
Captain's hat in Captain Freeman's ready room on Star Trek73600:36:51.960 --> 00:36:56.840
lower decks. So there's a little connection there. Yeah. Now,73700:36:57.079 --> 00:37:01.199
this was the single most expensive episode ever created for73800:37:01.239 --> 00:37:04.679
the original Star Trek series. This cost NBC and Desilu73900:37:04.920 --> 00:37:08.119
a total of six hundred and sixteen thousand dollars and74000:37:08.239 --> 00:37:10.639
I have no idea how much that would be in74100:37:10.639 --> 00:37:15.039
today's money, but that's a lot for that time. And74200:37:15.079 --> 00:37:18.039
then finally, I want to end with the cage, as74300:37:18.039 --> 00:37:20.920
we mentioned, was first seen in its entirety in nineteen74400:37:20.960 --> 00:37:25.280
eighty six with his VHS release. This was presented in74500:37:25.639 --> 00:37:28.800
half color and half black and white because the original74600:37:28.880 --> 00:37:32.800
negatives had been actually physically cut when they created the74700:37:32.800 --> 00:37:35.519
episodes for the Menagerie and the parts that they didn't74800:37:35.639 --> 00:37:38.760
use were thrown out, so they did not have the74900:37:38.760 --> 00:37:42.280
original cut, but what they did have because Roddenberry had75000:37:42.280 --> 00:37:45.679
his own personal black and white work print, so they75100:37:45.760 --> 00:37:48.480
took the color footage from the Nagerie and his work75200:37:48.519 --> 00:37:52.320
print to create to put piece together the original episode.75300:37:52.320 --> 00:37:55.000
But then a year later they found a full color75400:37:55.079 --> 00:37:58.239
version of that episode was mislabeled in the Paramount vaults.75500:37:58.880 --> 00:38:02.079
So it finally got its first TV airing in October75600:38:02.119 --> 00:38:06.639
of nineteen eighty eight, presented by Patrick Stewart showed. I75700:38:06.679 --> 00:38:08.960
was showed along with clips of the TV series and75800:38:09.000 --> 00:38:12.159
the movies and a sneak preview of the upcoming Star75900:38:12.239 --> 00:38:15.599
Trek five, the Final Frontier. And I do remember that76000:38:15.800 --> 00:38:18.320
I saw the cage for the first time on that videotape,76100:38:18.320 --> 00:38:20.440
the black and white and color one, and I remember76200:38:20.440 --> 00:38:23.039
that showing that air because it aired between them, or76300:38:23.039 --> 00:38:24.800
it aired right at the beginning of season two, because76400:38:24.840 --> 00:38:27.400
season two is delayed because of the writer's strike, they76500:38:27.719 --> 00:38:29.039
aired this since I remember that.76600:38:31.280 --> 00:38:33.320
The only thing I want to add is the fact76700:38:33.360 --> 00:38:37.679
that Duforce Kelly had seen this episode and he told76800:38:37.679 --> 00:38:39.840
Deane Roden Berry. Well, I don't know what the hell76900:38:39.880 --> 00:38:42.000
it's all about, but it's either gonna be the biggest77000:38:42.079 --> 00:38:45.400
hit or the biggest myth God ever made.77100:38:46.239 --> 00:38:48.880
And we all, because we haven't mentioned it yet, we77200:38:49.519 --> 00:38:52.800
all need to give a lot of credit to the77300:38:53.480 --> 00:38:57.440
on mentioned executive producer, and that's Luctial Bob. You know77400:38:57.519 --> 00:39:00.360
she brought up the money. Why keep mentioned Dozzy Leo? Well,77500:39:00.360 --> 00:39:03.360
we're really talking about her. Ye, she brought She had77600:39:03.400 --> 00:39:07.079
a lot of faith in Gene Roddenberry. So we thank77700:39:07.159 --> 00:39:09.639
her and we thank everybody at dozierlu for bringing this77800:39:09.639 --> 00:39:09.960
to us.77900:39:10.119 --> 00:39:12.000
Absolutely we wouldn't have Star Trek if it was because78000:39:12.039 --> 00:39:16.559
of her. Oh absolutely, thanks Lucille. All right, listeners, thank78100:39:16.559 --> 00:39:18.639
you so much. What are your thoughts on the original78200:39:18.719 --> 00:39:22.239
series and this unaired pilot the cage we just covered?78300:39:22.599 --> 00:39:25.239
Did the executives and back then get it right? What78400:39:25.280 --> 00:39:28.280
are you doing to celebrate the sixtieth anniversary? Let us know?78500:39:29.119 --> 00:39:31.920
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much for joining me for the Cage. Looking forward to79200:39:49.480 --> 00:39:51.519
going through the original series with you both. It's going79300:39:51.559 --> 00:39:52.960
to be quite a ride.79400:39:53.559 --> 00:39:55.920
Yep U I I am too. It's going to be79500:39:55.920 --> 00:39:57.159
fun revisiting these.79600:39:57.159 --> 00:39:59.239
It really is. Yeah, it was fun revisiting the Cage.79700:39:59.239 --> 00:40:01.480
I tell you good. I'm gonna be talking about it79800:40:02.039 --> 00:40:03.840
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