April 19, 2026

Akira Kurosawa - Throne of Blood

Akira Kurosawa - Throne of Blood
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Season 7

This week, we're pulling one from the vault. Jeff and Brad discuss one of the greatest and most influential filmmakers of all time, Akira Kurosawa. Join us as we dive into an incredible adaptation of William Shakespeare's Macbeth with Kurosawa's 1957 classic, Throne of Blood!

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Brad, it is once again Asian American and Pacific Islander

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Heritage Month.

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That's right. Last year we did Justin Lynn finishing the game,

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and we did John wu Hard Tard did.

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Yeah, this is our second you're doing this. You want

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to keep it going.

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Yeah, but let's go back a little old school and

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do a film by Akira Kirasawa is nineteen fifty seven

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samurai war drama Throne of Blood.

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Hello everybody, and welcome back to the Film By podcast.

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I'm Jeff Johnson and I am Brad Kozo, and today

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we are arguably discussing I would say Japan's greatest.

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Director, Brad, I'd say most celebrated, definitely celebrated.

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Okay, Yeah, most celebrated Akira Kirasawa. Okay. So I'm gonna

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I'm gonna go ahead ask you the question then, because

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you know we talked about Kirasawa, you chose throwing a

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blood And my question, my first question to you before

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we even get into this, Uh, how did you first

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find out about throwing a blood? And why why was

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this your choice?

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Well, all the filmmakers that I admire always talk about

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the filmmakers Ammier and the one that always popped up

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was Kirasawa, and I had always heard about his influence

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on all the films that we loved, so I just

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I think it was during pandemic time. I needed stuff

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to watch, so some of those I believe there was

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a Kirosawa fest on TCM. I had the TCM app

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and I watched a couple of them, and out of

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all of them, I say, this one was my favorite.

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I loved it, and I'm dying to find out what

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you thought about it.

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Well, let's cut the suspense because I'm gonna go ahead

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and say thank you for choosing this movie because I

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freaking loved it. I mean, I did not expect it

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to be so good. And the real shock for me,

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the real big surprise, this is Macbeth. Yeah, I mean,

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this is Shakespeare's Macbeth with a few liberties taken on

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Karrosawa's party made it. He made some minor changes, but

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I'm like maybe, I'm like fifteen twenty minutes into it,

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I'm like, why is this feel familiar? Why I've seen it?

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Have I seen this? And I'm like, no, I definitely

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have not seen this, but I know I know it.

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And then it hit me and then it hit me

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a second time because you and I were talking about

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that new Denzel movie he just did, and you knew

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we were talking about Throwing a Blood and I told you.

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I said, yeah, I got checked this movie out, and

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you said, why don't you wait till after you watched

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them in Blood. I did not know that you were

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setting me up like that. So now I'm real excited

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to see that movie because I'm just full on, you know.

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I mean, I'm in a Shakespeare move. I'm wanting to

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see more Macbeth. But this movie, I'm gonna go ahead

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and say it. I think this is the best adaptation

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I've ever seen of Shakespeare's Macbeth. Would you agree to

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that or have you seen something better?

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No, I'm actually gonna agree with you. I was going

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to bring that up because as I was watching it

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last night, there's just certain parts about it. I was like,

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there's no possible way that Jeff cannot like this movie.

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I was like, it was like no, I was like,

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there's just too many things in it that I know

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that he would enjoy. I was like that he he

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must like this film. But yeah, I agree with you,

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this is the best adaptation of Macbeth. The Coen Brothers

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version is very good, and I know that there's a

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lot of versions that I would like to see. I know,

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Roman Polatinski did a version. Obviously, Orson Wells had done one,

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so and that's one of the reasons that he kind

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of stirred away from it and changing it to Thrown

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of Blood because Orson Wells's version was coming out around

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the early fifties.

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I believe, Yeah, well, I know he This is just

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doing a little bit of background on the on the production.

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Kirosawa was a big fan of Shakespeare. He loves Macbeth,

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and then finds out that Orson Wells is doing it

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and it's coming out in nineteen forty eight, so he

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kind of postpones his Yeah, that's several years, and that's

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you know, we'll get into that a little bit here later.

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But for those for those people that haven't seen Thrown

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a Blood, for those people that haven't read Macbeth or

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seen one of its adaptations, what we're talking about, you know,

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the brief synopsis for Throwing a Blood. A warhard in general,

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egged on by his ambitious wife, works to fulfill a

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prophecy that he would become Lord of Spider's Web Castle.

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I'm taking that right off of the IMDb website there, Brad,

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but pretty accurate nonetheless, right.

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Yeah, I mean the general and I believe that you

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said it's pronounced.

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Washaizu, Washaizu Washaizu played by Kirosawa's go to man, to

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Shira Mafune, And basically, yeah, like you said before, he's

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on his way back to the castle.

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He's confronted, you know, by a witch who prophesizes that

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he will become king in the North Castle and then

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will eventually send to the King of the Lord Spider Web.

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And when the beginning of that starts unfold, they start

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to you know, he starts to believe in that prophecy,

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and then of course power is something that people just

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can't refuse. And of course it just gets very bloody

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after that.

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Absolutely it does. It's real bloody. You mentioned Uh Mufune

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is uh Kirasawa's go to guy. This is his sixth film,

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there's sixth collaboration out of like eleven total. He is

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absolutely you know what de Niro was for Scorsese, Yeah,

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is to Kirosawa, right.

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Yeah, I mean, he's a he's a pretty intense actor.

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You know, he's got a great face, a great you know,

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kind of somebody going mad, you know, someone a little

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bit crazy in some way, you know. I mean, he's

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got he's got a great face, and he's he looks

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very just, you know, fearless. You know, he seems like

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he because he everybody in this movie really goes for.

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I like that you're talking about his face and his

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his ability to express emotion, because that's something I want

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to get into. I got something here for you, Brad

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h later later when we talk about the production, and

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it's going to tie right into what you just said

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about his face and his ability to express So, look,

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I love the film. You love the film, right, Yeah,

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I loved it. I mean, this is a This is

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one of those like I wish you know, you and

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I are such film buffs. We've always been like that

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since we were kids. I wish I would have had

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access to more Kirosawa when we were younger, because I'm

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gonna go ahead, ADM minute, and I know, I know

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I'm jumping the gun a little earlier talking filmography, but

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I've seen so few of his movies and now I'm

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excited to see more. So you know, I'll ask you

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a little bit about that, but let's talk about this

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cast a little bit. So we talked about Tashiro Mafune

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and not our first time actually talking about him right now.

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We talked about him in nineteen forty one or a

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Spielberg episode.

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Yeah, he had that small cameo in that. But you know,

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I want to see more of his work, and I know,

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you know, obviously I've seen him in a few things

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that Kiasawa did, But you're right, this guy is so expressive.

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I just wish it was a situation where we could

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have got more. I think, correct me if I'm wrong,

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but I think is nineteen forty one his only American film?

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I think the.

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Time, Yes, I believe it was his only American film.

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Okay, I would have loved to have seen more from

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this guy. Yeah, but he's not alone. Akira Kubu, who

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plays his best friend, his commander, well not his commander,

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but his like his sergeant. I guess you'd say, playing

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miky this guy's fantastic too in this movie.

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Yeah. Yeah, but you know, you can see a little

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bit of the weakness in him, you know, not the

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you can see that his inability to take it a

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little bit further the way that you know Mifune would

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it just it definitely fits his character.

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Yeah, Well, the I think the character of Miki is

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he's happy being the the go to guy, right, He's

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happy being He's not ambitious, right, No, not in the

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way that uh is. Yeah, And I mean that's the

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whole thing about Macbeth though, like McBeth, Like you know,

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when you talk about like you know, some of the

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themes of Macbeth, you can't ignore it that it's all

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about when your ambition turns dark. You know, when there's

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a lack of morality, your ambition can can turn evil

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and right, and that's that's exactly what happens to Shaizu,

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but not so much Miky. Right, He's he's a happy,

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go lucky guy.

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He just you know, yeah, but he's missing one thing

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that was Shaizu does have and that's Lady was Shaizu

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Asaji Suzu Yamada. And yeah, what a great Lady Macbeth

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role this woman has. I mean, she was she was

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very present, you know, It's like she was she knew

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how to tug his heartstrings.

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I'm gonna go ahead and say, oh, let's I'm gonna

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jump right in on on her performance. Maybe the creepiest

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performance I've seen in a long time. I mean just

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her her ability to emote or or her lack thereof.

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She is so I mean, she's borderline scary in this film. Yeah.

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I don't like how she's just always like in the background,

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you know, staring off into the distance, just waiting to

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say something to egg him on and to you know,

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kind of.

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Provoke him, but with no emotion on her face, no emotion.

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Yeah, she's like a robot.

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She's saying like the most evil things with no emotion whatsoever.

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Yeah. I just, uh, hats off to a Susu Yamada

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because you think it'd be easy to do what she

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does in this movie, but it's not. And that was

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like one of my takeaways after it was over. I still,

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you know, I'm I'm getting ready for bed, and I'm

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turning out the lights and I'm like I'm looking in

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the corners, like waiting to see if she's like sitting

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there staring blankly you know, when you say something something

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you know haunting. Uh, definitely definitely like the like liked

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what she did with this. I know we got some

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other great actors in here. I know the one guy

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and I'm probably saying the name wrong. Uh played like

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New Year two? Maybe? Uh, big big guy in Toho

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Films does the did Godzilla and some other things.

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Takashi Shimura.

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Yeah, yeah, see I knew, Yes he does. He absolutely does.

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Were you Okay? So we've talked about this being more

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or less it's Macbeth. Yeah, little background on the movie. Okay,

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So if you didn't know this, Brad. Thrown of Blood

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is the first of three movies that Kirasawa agrees to

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produce for Toho Films. Now you know, it's Thrown a Blood,

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it's Hidden Fortress, and it's Revenge. Not the Kevin Costn

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one that we talked about, but you know, probably still

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a pretty awesome, pretty awesome one. Now the cool thing

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here just talking about, you know, referencing Godzilla there. Second ago.

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Thrown of Blood was supposed to be directed by a

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Shiro Honda, who did the nineteen fifty four Godzilla movie.

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Now Toho says this is already getting way too expensive.

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They insist that Karasawa has to direct all three of

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these movies, and that's why they're part of his philmography.

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Do you do you think we would have had you know,

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because you've seen the fifty four Godzilla? Do you think

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I haven't you what you haven't seen the original one? Okay, okay,

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well strike my next line of questioning. I wanted to

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thought what you would have thought of a Honda directed

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uh thron of blood. But we'll just we'll just move

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past that. Uh okay, So back to back to the

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face facial expression stuff. H Are you familiar with the

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the Japanese art form.

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Called no no, the oldest surviving of the Japanese theater,

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which combines music, dance, and acting to communicate Buddhist themes.

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I I thought here, I thought, so, okay, well I

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will not be teaching you because it sounds like you

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are the master. But uh yeah, so this this uh

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no n o h uh as you said, it's this

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this form of dance drama very popular, much like kabuki

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in Japan. But uh yeah, so it's all about minimalist.

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The body movements, the set design, everything's really minimal. When

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you think back to throwing a blood, it definitely captures

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that no style, does it not? Yeah?

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I mean there's a you never see very much like say,

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giant wide shots, except a few times. You know, they

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keep it very you know, simple hut, you know, no

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elaborate things. You know, even though the things they have,

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you know, the clothes, you know, especially for the women,

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are very clean. Impressed. It was like they're you know,

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they're in that one room. They still haven't even cleaned

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up the blood from the room. You know.

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Oh yeah, they're stuck.

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In there, you know. So yeah, it's a very minimalistic

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type of film.

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Yeah, I mean, I think the grandest set piece is

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the castle itself, which yeah, I know, they they started off,

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they're like, hey, we'll just we'll build a facade, you know,

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kind of keep it minimalist for the budget, not for

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the not for the the artistic expression of no. I

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thought it was cool to find out that the there

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was actually a US Marine Corps base there that helped

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them build the castle in Mountainlfiji. Yeah. So yeah, I mean,

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you need you need some help, you know, you're gonna

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call on good old uncle Sam. I guess, yeah, the

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US Marines helped build that castle. It's actual castle. Uh.

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And it wasn't so much that you know, Kirasawa needed it.

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You to see it on Mount Fiji. Mount Fiji. You know,

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he liked it because he liked the the location because

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very gloomy, a lot of fog. The darkness. Really when

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it's dark, it really helps enhance the picture. And if

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you think about that, like there's there is like you know,

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the whole like the forest, you know, the this uh,

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this this scary forest that everyone's afraid of in the movie.

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It's a labyrinth.

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It's it is it's a labyrinth and it's uh and

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it's always foggy. I mean, but it's like it's almost

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like John Carpenter created this movie.

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Oh I love the fog look in this, Yes, you

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know how they're just you can't ever really see that

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much what's going on. Especially I think it's one of

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the shots and it might even be the opening shot

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that starts off just as fog and then it it

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somehow like superimposes to the castle. It's just like we

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weren't in the castle before, and then the fog appears

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and then it comes away and then you see the castle.

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Is like, ah, what a great shot.

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Yeah, I'm watching a really I'm watching a great version

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of the high definition version of this and I'm like,

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what am I seeing? What? You know, You're right. The fog,

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it's it's it's almost like a character in the film.

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And I love the way it kind of gives you know,

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I was like, what am I looking at? What is this?

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What's about the what's about to happen? And all of

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a sudden, it just it breaks gives way to that castle,

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you know, the main castle. So yeah, this set design,

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it's minimalist in that no style. But when they when

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they go for it, they really go for it. Yeah

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that for us, you call it a labyrinth, and I

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know that's what the characters kind of referred to.

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Yeah, they keep a labyrinth.

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Don't get lost in the labyrinth. And that's exactly what

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happens to Washaizu and Miki. Yeah, and uh, they encountered this,

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this evil spirit, this witch.

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Yeah, and now you think of her. You said that

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Assaiji was the creepiest person in this movie. This witch

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creeped me out every time. The voice and everything was

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so creepy. Now you know, they they did switch. You know,

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originally it was supposed to be three witches and Makebeth.

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They switched to one.

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I don't care.

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This woman is this is awesome.

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Yeah, the the witches, you know, Yeah, we got the

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three witches in Macbeth. We got the one in this

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I like that Kirasawa if you if you, if you

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caught this, Brad, he's the witches is using that that

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she's spinning that loom, you know, uh, which which is like,

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you know, it alludes to the the threads of fate,

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you know, in Greek mythology. So which that's why he

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that's why he has that there, he has the witch

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using that, you know it's a reference. Uh I honestly,

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and I'll admit this was at a point where I'm

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still not realizing I'm watching Macbeth. So because of that

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voice that the witch has, I'm assuming it's like just

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a weak old man like in this hut. And then

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when I get the closer shot and I see it's this,

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this creepy woman, this witch. That that voice. You know,

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when you hear a when you hear a heavy voice

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like that coming out of a small feminine character, it

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makes it scarier.

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I think, yeah, she sounds like that.

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Yeah. As soon as I as soon as I realized

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I'm looking at a woman, I immediately thought of Reagan

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and the extra with that, with that demonic voice, coming

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out of her. Ugh, just not a fan. If you

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and I are ever lost in the woods and we

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come across that, I'm just I'm heading the other way, Bob.

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Do you feel that the woman looked like Okay, you

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mentioned Reagan and the exorsies, but I felt she looked

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like when when Karris looks over there and he sees

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his mother on the bed and she's in this.

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Weird kind of like.

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Yeah, that's why I think he looks like. And I've

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heard Friedkin talk about how he loved Kirasawa, so I'm

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wondering if that shot was to kind of do you think, Yeah,

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I think he used that as one of his influences.

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I mean, I can't be for sure, but if you

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put those side by side, you know.

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Oh yeah, I didn't even think about that. Well, let's

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talk about a couple more references. So one of the

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first things I noticed, because this is, you know, we're

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dealing with samurai. They're all they're all galloping around, They're

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all running around with like these banners attached to their backs.

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So the uh sashimono, which are you know, the banners

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worn by samurai. Uh? I found this interesting. So uh

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Miki's banner is the the reference of the rabbit, which

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in Japanese culture definitely alludes to fertility. And when you

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think about the prophecy that the witch says, you know,

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with that his son's gonna one day rule and all this,

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his banner kind of gives way like who he is, right,

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you know, uh, same thing with was Shaizu. His is

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the centipede, and in Japanese culture, centipede is known as evil,

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which would you know, allude to his his descent into

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uh into darkness, Yeah, to dark Yeah, I mean he's

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he's certainly helped along by assagy Hish, his creepy wife.

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But but yeah, I like that. I like that Kirasawa

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uses a lot of imagery to tell you he's he's

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he's exactly. He's showing you everything that this movie's about

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without telling you unless you know.

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Yeah, And I think that that definitely helps for an

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audience that's watching a foreign film to them, you know,

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anything that is considered foreign to them. There are so

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many elements Senoto where you don't have to really you

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don't have to even read some of the subtitles. You know,

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there's a lot of symbolism in there that you can

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kind of get. You know, this is a movie where

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you probably don't have to read every little bit of subtitles.

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You know. There's so much great imagery to go with

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it as well, you know, and a lot of a

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lot of long shots. The one in the forest of

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Miki and with Shaizu, you know, being stuck in the

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forest goes on what felt like a really long time,

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you know, but you still get that sense of no

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matter what, there's no way out. You know, it's just

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like they're just stuck in this this really dark spirit world.

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You're absolutely right, and I think, you know, at least

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watching it does go on what feels like a long time,

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and you start to feel a little lost yourself. Watching, Like,

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I got to a point where'm like, it wasn't It

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wasn't a moment of hey, this SHOT's too long. Cut

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you know, you need to cut to the next scene.

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It was more like, okay, I went out. Yes, I

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really felt like I was with him on the adventure.

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Yeah, you feel like you're trapped too. You're like, I

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can't get out.

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Really good, really good way to use the camera, I

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think the prophecy Brad Yes, you know, he goes home,

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he tells his wife, and she wastes no time saying, hey,

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not at all. Let's let's speed the process up. Why

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don't you go ahead and murder the king? And then

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you've got it all, you know, because you know, there's

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two parts of this prophecy, the which says, hey, you know,

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for your deeds in battle, you know, the king, he's

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going to give you the castle, and he's going to

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give you know, miky you know, command of the first fortress.

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And they're all excited, and then she but then the

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second part of the prophecy. You know, one day you'll

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be king and one day Mickey's son will want here

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at the castle. So it's like, okay, well I don't

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this is and I know we're talking Macbeth, but why

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can't we just leave well enough alone? You know.

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Yeah.

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The wife's all like, well, why don't you go ahead

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and kill the king so you can just get to

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the castle now. And he's like, uh, you know, he's

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talking about honor and that's treason, you know.

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Yeah.

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He's like, well that's how he got it, you know.

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Yeah, yeah, she she throws out some interesting points. She's like, well,

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she goes, well, you know, First of all, why shouldn't

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you desire it? You're just as strong, if not stronger,

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than many of the warriors in the village, So why

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shouldn't you who is completely capable of running the show?

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What kind of want that? And hey man, he got

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where he was because he basically did the same thing.

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So if anything, you're doing him a favor. You know,

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you're you know, you're you're doing you're doing yourself a favor.

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You know, she's you know, she's a pretty good talker.

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She she she talks a good game. That is definitely true.

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The only problem to this is the second half of

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the prophecy. You know, what do you do when your

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best friend's son will one day, you know, take your place. Now,

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he's he's got a good way to look at it

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at first, before he's before he's really buying into what

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she's selling. You know, he's like, well, I will name

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him as heir since we don't have a kid.

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Yeah, it's okay, we don't have a son.

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Yeah, but then then guess what I'm pregnant, you know. Twist, yeah, twist.

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So what do you do, Brad? Your best friend will

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one day, you know, his son will take over but

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now your wife is saying, no, I've got a child.

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You gotta you gotta make some hard decisions here, because

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you know, Miky's son cannot inherit this castle because you

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know we your son will have it. What do you

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what do you do?

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You know this, this is the price you pay when

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you deal with the dark lords, you know, I guess.

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So you have to make those decisions. But yeah, he

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he just kind of keep thinking. All these good things

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keep happening to him, and he can only kind of

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think this must be for some reason. So he's just

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he's going with it. You know, everything's happened so far

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and things are getting better, and he feels good, you know,

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he feels good about the power. He feels strong and powerful.

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You know, he's like, I've already gone that one step

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by taking out the king, you know, and they if

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I know, well, how's Lady Lordship doing? Oh well she

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she's already killed herself. Well I might as well just keep.

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Going exactly, Brad, I'm gonna go on record here and

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and go ahead and say that I'm naming your son

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heir to everything I've got because you know, I don't

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have a wife, and I definitely don't have a child,

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So now should I get married? And should should she

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have a baby? That I guess you've got something to

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worry about.

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But no, it sounds like you have something to worry

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about the way this story actually ends up.

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Oh my god, you're absolutely.

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Because you know Mieky's air comes back and you know

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Unleash's Unleash's Hell, yeah he does.

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He absolutely does such a good movie, brad Let's you know,

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we could probably talk a while about about throwing a blood,

461
00:26:25.920 --> 00:26:27.559
but do you want to talk a little bit about

462
00:26:27.559 --> 00:26:31.279
its its creator? Uh? Yeah, Kirosawa himself. Yeah, but do

463
00:26:31.279 --> 00:26:32.319
you know what he got for us? So give us

464
00:26:32.319 --> 00:26:32.799
a little name?

465
00:26:33.200 --> 00:26:37.720
Sawa He nineteen ten to nineteen ninety eight. I mean

466
00:26:37.799 --> 00:26:42.720
he made I think directing was thirty four films and

467
00:26:43.200 --> 00:26:47.720
he was, like I said before, a huge inspiration on

468
00:26:49.000 --> 00:26:52.240
probably your favorite directors of all time. You know is

469
00:26:52.839 --> 00:26:58.680
they're frequently copied, you know, by American and European Seven

470
00:26:58.839 --> 00:27:04.440
Samurai was turned into the magnificent semit Yo Jimbo, you know,

471
00:27:04.720 --> 00:27:07.720
was a fistfull of doers, and even Sergio Leone got

472
00:27:07.759 --> 00:27:11.839
in trouble because he did not get the rights to

473
00:27:13.039 --> 00:27:15.759
Yo Jimbo, you know, before he did it, but eventually

474
00:27:15.880 --> 00:27:18.799
he did, and later on, you know, a couple of

475
00:27:18.839 --> 00:27:21.920
other films like Last Man Standing, Walter Hill film with

476
00:27:21.960 --> 00:27:26.400
Bruce Willis. You know, I don't some people notice, but

477
00:27:27.000 --> 00:27:32.519
his film The Hidden Fortress a sort of inspiration on

478
00:27:32.680 --> 00:27:35.359
Star Wars. Star Wars but just kind of halfway, according

479
00:27:35.359 --> 00:27:37.480
to George Lucas. But if you watch The Hidden Fortress,

480
00:27:37.720 --> 00:27:41.680
you will see a lot of Star Wars stuff in it.

481
00:27:41.720 --> 00:27:45.880
But what Lucas pointed out the most is the two

482
00:27:45.960 --> 00:27:49.359
characters in a Hidden Fortress that mirror see throughp on

483
00:27:49.480 --> 00:27:51.519
R two D two. Those are the ones that he

484
00:27:51.559 --> 00:27:56.720
connects with. Now, I haven't seen all of his films.

485
00:27:56.759 --> 00:27:58.960
I've only seen like four, kind of the main ones.

486
00:27:58.960 --> 00:28:02.039
But it it after you see kind of the main

487
00:28:02.200 --> 00:28:06.400
four the that I've seen, I've seen The Fortress, Yo, Jimbo,

488
00:28:06.880 --> 00:28:11.079
the Seventh Samurai, and and this one. But he was

489
00:28:11.160 --> 00:28:15.240
a huge, huge amorre admirer of John Ford. He said

490
00:28:15.240 --> 00:28:18.920
even when he met Ford, Ford told him he said,

491
00:28:19.359 --> 00:28:22.319
he says, Wow, you really like Rain, don't you. And

492
00:28:22.359 --> 00:28:25.039
he goes, thank you, mister Ford, because you've obviously seen

493
00:28:25.079 --> 00:28:26.519
a lot of my films.

494
00:28:27.079 --> 00:28:31.119
Yeah, a lot of you know, from what I understand,

495
00:28:31.680 --> 00:28:34.559
there is the the look of rain, you know, the

496
00:28:34.559 --> 00:28:38.119
elements of of weather. It's always that. It kind of

497
00:28:38.119 --> 00:28:39.720
makes an impact in a lot of his movies, right,

498
00:28:39.839 --> 00:28:43.279
I mean it has a supernatural Yeah, it does have

499
00:28:43.279 --> 00:28:48.039
a supernatural kind of feel. And I often wonder, like, because, uh,

500
00:28:48.119 --> 00:28:50.119
what didn't he begin before he was a director, Before

501
00:28:50.160 --> 00:28:52.799
he kind of went into filmmaking, he was a painter, right,

502
00:28:52.799 --> 00:28:56.519
because doesn't isn't he known for for doing storyboards for

503
00:28:56.559 --> 00:28:59.240
all his movies, but like kind of elaborate storyboards.

504
00:28:59.680 --> 00:29:04.079
I think, like like how Ridley Scott does is Ridley grahams?

505
00:29:04.440 --> 00:29:06.920
Yeah? Yeah, yeah, it's a Ridley Graham It's a it's

506
00:29:06.920 --> 00:29:12.359
a Kirasawa cut. Yes, Brad, let's let's talk. You know,

507
00:29:12.400 --> 00:29:15.480
you've you mentioned some of his his top stuff. I'm

508
00:29:15.480 --> 00:29:17.559
ashamed to say I've you know, I've seen Thrown a

509
00:29:17.599 --> 00:29:21.200
Blood obviously recently for the first time, and I've seen

510
00:29:21.240 --> 00:29:23.799
Seven Samurai. But there's so many movies of his that

511
00:29:23.839 --> 00:29:27.240
I have not seen, but I want to see. You

512
00:29:27.279 --> 00:29:29.039
said you did see the Hidden Fortress. You're talking about

513
00:29:29.039 --> 00:29:29.319
the Star.

514
00:29:29.200 --> 00:29:31.960
Wars, Yes, the Hidden Fortress. What is nice right now

515
00:29:32.119 --> 00:29:36.559
is that HBO Max has a lot of his stuff

516
00:29:36.599 --> 00:29:39.799
on there. I believe. I think the four titles that

517
00:29:39.839 --> 00:29:42.200
I talked about, I think are on there, Okay, and

518
00:29:42.240 --> 00:29:45.079
I think a couple more too. There's a couple of

519
00:29:45.079 --> 00:29:49.079
films that he did later on that are like in

520
00:29:49.119 --> 00:29:51.720
like the eighties, like Ran apparently is really good that

521
00:29:51.759 --> 00:29:54.880
I would love to see. And I mean you can tell.

522
00:29:54.920 --> 00:29:57.319
I mean, when we did our episode on the Yakuza,

523
00:29:57.480 --> 00:29:59.880
you could tell, like, you know, Paul Schrader, Sidney pol

524
00:30:00.440 --> 00:30:02.960
you know, they were, you know, huge fans of hibs.

525
00:30:03.440 --> 00:30:06.400
So I mean, yeah, definitely. After rewatching this, I'm like,

526
00:30:06.839 --> 00:30:08.319
I kind of want to see some other ones. But

527
00:30:08.799 --> 00:30:12.279
every one of them i've seen I have enjoyed. There

528
00:30:12.359 --> 00:30:15.359
is not one. This one, I have to say, is

529
00:30:15.440 --> 00:30:20.480
my favorite. The seventh Samurai, I think is is usually

530
00:30:20.880 --> 00:30:24.319
the top one that everybody takes. But so far, out

531
00:30:24.319 --> 00:30:26.799
of the four i've seen, this one is my favorite though.

532
00:30:26.960 --> 00:30:30.680
Okay, So for someone like me, Okay, so I obviously

533
00:30:30.720 --> 00:30:34.079
I've seen seven Samurai and throwing of blood, what's the

534
00:30:34.400 --> 00:30:37.440
what's the very next? Again, out of the four you've seen,

535
00:30:37.480 --> 00:30:40.279
you're not the expert, but what's the next one. What's

536
00:30:40.319 --> 00:30:42.079
the next must see for me? Like, what do I

537
00:30:42.119 --> 00:30:45.519
got to watch next? Because I noticed when I watched

538
00:30:45.759 --> 00:30:47.480
you know, you said HBO Max and that's where I

539
00:30:47.480 --> 00:30:50.039
saw Throwing of Blood. I quickly picked up that it

540
00:30:50.079 --> 00:30:54.359
was a Criterion collection. The one that I saw was

541
00:30:54.920 --> 00:30:58.279
So I'm assuming the Criterion you know, we love we

542
00:30:58.319 --> 00:31:03.680
love the Criterion stuff, Brad. I assuming they've got like a.

543
00:31:02.240 --> 00:31:05.160
A Kirasawa box set or I have looked at that

544
00:31:05.559 --> 00:31:08.039
and I forgot I've must have seen I'm sorry, I

545
00:31:08.079 --> 00:31:10.200
am wrong. I have seen five of those films. The

546
00:31:10.359 --> 00:31:14.400
other one that I have seen is Rassaman. I think

547
00:31:14.440 --> 00:31:19.079
you should watch Rassaman. It's a very interesting film with

548
00:31:19.119 --> 00:31:23.640
a very interesting taste take and you know, of course

549
00:31:23.640 --> 00:31:29.759
the stars, you know, Toshira, but it's a cool, dark

550
00:31:30.519 --> 00:31:34.160
type of film. But yeah, I would check out wrote Rochaman,

551
00:31:34.799 --> 00:31:38.359
Hidden Fortress, Yo Jimbo, Throwing of Blood, Sam Star. So far,

552
00:31:38.400 --> 00:31:40.920
they're they're all good. The one that I think I

553
00:31:40.960 --> 00:31:43.200
would like to see is just some of the other

554
00:31:43.440 --> 00:31:50.160
bigger ones, like like Ran and yeah, but this one's

555
00:31:50.400 --> 00:31:52.119
I had say, this one's my favorite. But they are

556
00:31:52.160 --> 00:31:54.000
still a lot of good ones, and like you said,

557
00:31:54.640 --> 00:31:59.319
when you watch them, you see other movies you're like, ah,

558
00:31:59.359 --> 00:32:02.160
that's that, that's how we got that, or it just yeah,

559
00:32:02.200 --> 00:32:05.319
you see a lot of other director's influence in his films,

560
00:32:05.400 --> 00:32:07.400
which is fun. It's like you're kind of playing a

561
00:32:07.440 --> 00:32:08.440
game while watching the movie.

562
00:32:08.960 --> 00:32:10.920
I love doing that. I mean, I loved it with

563
00:32:10.960 --> 00:32:12.519
this one. Like you know, I'm sitting there and I'm like,

564
00:32:12.759 --> 00:32:15.640
it feels it feels familiar. Then I find out I'm

565
00:32:15.680 --> 00:32:18.759
seeing something. You know that I I've seen the story.

566
00:32:18.799 --> 00:32:21.160
I've heard this story before. I love I love I

567
00:32:21.200 --> 00:32:23.200
love that when we when we get that, and you're right.

568
00:32:23.200 --> 00:32:26.039
I remember the first time I saw seven Samurai, I

569
00:32:26.079 --> 00:32:29.880
was like, wait, this is this is Magnificent seven, And

570
00:32:29.880 --> 00:32:33.240
then I thought, wait, no, this came before Magnificent seven.

571
00:32:33.319 --> 00:32:36.599
So yeah, I mean, I think the great thing about

572
00:32:36.640 --> 00:32:40.920
someone like Kirosawa, and you said this earlier, his influence

573
00:32:42.200 --> 00:32:46.039
is is forever. I mean, it's it's always going to be.

574
00:32:46.160 --> 00:32:47.960
Like a lot of the great directors that you and

575
00:32:48.000 --> 00:32:51.440
I love from the seventies and eighties, he's a big

576
00:32:51.480 --> 00:32:55.880
influence on them and even new directors. He's still influential.

577
00:32:56.119 --> 00:32:59.039
You know, his stuff is still like you see it

578
00:32:59.200 --> 00:33:03.079
in the movie. I think that's a I think it's

579
00:33:03.079 --> 00:33:04.680
a good I think that's a great tribute to someone

580
00:33:04.680 --> 00:33:05.000
like him.

581
00:33:05.160 --> 00:33:07.680
I agree, Yeah, I mean he's going to be around

582
00:33:07.920 --> 00:33:10.960
as an influencer for for many, many million more years.

583
00:33:11.559 --> 00:33:14.839
Well do you have a favorite scene?

584
00:33:15.960 --> 00:33:21.960
Ooh, yeah, I'm gonna go ahead and say my favorite

585
00:33:21.960 --> 00:33:23.160
scene was probably the ending.

586
00:33:23.599 --> 00:33:25.759
Yes, that was gonna be mine.

587
00:33:26.400 --> 00:33:28.880
Okay, so we got to talk about this for a second,

588
00:33:28.920 --> 00:33:33.880
because you know, this is this is nineteen fifty seven. Yeah,

589
00:33:33.960 --> 00:33:38.519
and special effects they're there. They're just I mean they're

590
00:33:38.519 --> 00:33:41.960
not they're not amazing, but but they're still there. It

591
00:33:42.000 --> 00:33:46.720
blows me away that real swords and real arrows are

592
00:33:46.839 --> 00:33:50.799
used and shot in this movie, and this climactic ending

593
00:33:50.839 --> 00:33:54.880
where his army turns on him and they're firing arrows

594
00:33:54.880 --> 00:33:59.960
at him. Kisawa gets real archers, professional archers to fire

595
00:34:00.079 --> 00:34:06.519
are real arrows at t Shiro Muffune. And the only

596
00:34:06.559 --> 00:34:09.119
thing saving this guy's life is you know, you when

597
00:34:09.159 --> 00:34:11.000
you watch the movie and he's waving his arms all

598
00:34:11.079 --> 00:34:14.000
dramatically and you're thinking, you're thinking, for a second, maybe

599
00:34:14.039 --> 00:34:16.480
he's hamming it up a little too much. Yeah, the

600
00:34:16.519 --> 00:34:19.079
only thing saving his life is that he's he's basically

601
00:34:19.159 --> 00:34:23.400
directing the archers by these dramatic hand hand waving, arms

602
00:34:23.400 --> 00:34:25.880
waving that he's doing. He's like he's directing them to say, hey,

603
00:34:26.320 --> 00:34:29.400
I'm going here next, and they're studying his movements to

604
00:34:29.480 --> 00:34:32.599
know where to shoot the next arrows. Brad, you're you're

605
00:34:32.599 --> 00:34:35.400
an actor. Could can you do this on on on set?

606
00:34:35.480 --> 00:34:37.280
If the director tells you like, hey, this is how

607
00:34:37.280 --> 00:34:38.039
we're gonna do it.

608
00:34:38.559 --> 00:34:41.119
I wouldn't have made it. That's all I know. I

609
00:34:41.119 --> 00:34:41.960
wouldn't have made it.

610
00:34:43.039 --> 00:34:46.320
No, I you know, I mean I I you know,

611
00:34:46.360 --> 00:34:48.360
you could probably try to convince me knowing, hey, this

612
00:34:48.400 --> 00:34:52.800
is these guys are professionals, they never miss I'm still

613
00:34:52.840 --> 00:34:56.400
gonna be a little worried. And I'm definitely gonna be worried.

614
00:34:58.079 --> 00:34:59.960
You know, early in the movie, when he kills you know,

615
00:35:00.079 --> 00:35:03.320
when they set the tone where he kills the king,

616
00:35:04.039 --> 00:35:06.079
he kills the guard, you know, but you know he

617
00:35:06.280 --> 00:35:09.519
the guard wakes up, you know, Asagi has has given

618
00:35:09.559 --> 00:35:12.800
them saki that's that's drugs. So they all they all

619
00:35:12.800 --> 00:35:15.599
pass out and he puts the bloody spear in the

620
00:35:15.639 --> 00:35:17.719
guy's hand and before the guy can even say anything.

621
00:35:17.760 --> 00:35:20.639
I'm like, hey, I didn't do it. Yeah, he stabs him. Okay,

622
00:35:21.760 --> 00:35:25.440
so this is this is Tashira Muffune using a real

623
00:35:25.519 --> 00:35:28.400
sword and thrusting it at this poor guy on the ground.

624
00:35:29.239 --> 00:35:32.920
H turns out he the guy. Just for insurance, he

625
00:35:33.119 --> 00:35:37.440
places a block of wood up into his armpit, hoping

626
00:35:37.440 --> 00:35:41.239
that Muffune will hit the block of wood. Yeah, but Muffune,

627
00:35:41.360 --> 00:35:43.599
I mean, you talk. This guy is big, he's powerful,

628
00:35:44.400 --> 00:35:47.800
so strong. He splits the block of wood and still

629
00:35:47.880 --> 00:35:50.239
hits the guy, wounding him. That guy had a scar

630
00:35:50.360 --> 00:35:54.960
for the rest of his life because Muffune, you know,

631
00:35:55.079 --> 00:35:59.519
jab's a katana at him. And I'm telling you, man,

632
00:35:59.559 --> 00:36:00.280
I know.

633
00:36:00.800 --> 00:36:03.400
Yeah, a great story to tell for years.

634
00:36:03.639 --> 00:36:07.199
He did. He did. I guess, I guess if you're Mufune,

635
00:36:07.559 --> 00:36:09.840
you know you you know, put on your your your

636
00:36:09.840 --> 00:36:13.079
sheet the Yeah, I've I've had real archers fire at me. Yeah,

637
00:36:13.159 --> 00:36:15.320
you know, like part of his arm waving you know

638
00:36:16.400 --> 00:36:18.519
some of the fake arrows you know that are on

639
00:36:18.599 --> 00:36:22.559
the they're they're on like string. Basically he's kind of

640
00:36:22.559 --> 00:36:24.239
like wiping the string. He's like he's like knocking the

641
00:36:24.239 --> 00:36:27.039
string away so you can't see the string. But I'm

642
00:36:27.039 --> 00:36:30.719
still like, when I watch that scene and he's being executed,

643
00:36:31.559 --> 00:36:35.199
I'm like, wait a minute, how I just watched the

644
00:36:35.239 --> 00:36:37.440
wood in that wall splinter when that arrow hit it.

645
00:36:37.480 --> 00:36:39.039
There's no way they could have done that in nineteen

646
00:36:39.039 --> 00:36:41.840
fifty seven. Yeah, that's that's that's gotta be real. And

647
00:36:41.880 --> 00:36:46.000
to find out it's real. Whoa. Yeah, definitely my favorite

648
00:36:46.000 --> 00:36:46.719
scene of the movie.

649
00:36:47.119 --> 00:36:49.719
And as an audience member, once you're into this after

650
00:36:49.760 --> 00:36:54.599
he kills you know, the first Lord, so you're into

651
00:36:54.599 --> 00:36:56.679
this as an audience member knowing that there is going

652
00:36:56.760 --> 00:37:00.280
to be a downfall for this character. So it's a

653
00:37:00.320 --> 00:37:04.239
huge build up, and it builds and builds, builds, and

654
00:37:04.320 --> 00:37:12.360
you get this giant, dramatic, fantastic sequence of what feels

655
00:37:12.360 --> 00:37:15.920
like thousands of arrows, you know, all over the place.

656
00:37:16.000 --> 00:37:19.199
So just the build up, you know, is is definitely

657
00:37:19.239 --> 00:37:21.400
worth it the you know, the price at the end

658
00:37:21.400 --> 00:37:22.280
of the at the end of the.

659
00:37:22.320 --> 00:37:25.440
Day, I liked that I was kind of hooked in,

660
00:37:26.679 --> 00:37:28.559
you know, because even after I realized I'm watching me Beth,

661
00:37:28.599 --> 00:37:31.280
I kind of forgot I was watching me Beth. And

662
00:37:32.960 --> 00:37:34.840
you know, at the height of his power, he's he's

663
00:37:34.960 --> 00:37:39.039
at this point, he's killing off everybody to maintain his

664
00:37:39.039 --> 00:37:43.239
his stature. He goes back into the woods. He goes

665
00:37:43.239 --> 00:37:45.480
back into the forest to see the witch because he

666
00:37:45.519 --> 00:37:47.800
wants more. He wants to know. Okay, well now now

667
00:37:47.800 --> 00:37:48.840
what's going to happen. Yeah.

668
00:37:48.920 --> 00:37:51.000
Now he's like, now he's demanding that.

669
00:37:51.119 --> 00:37:54.599
He's demanding of the evil witch, you know, the evil spirit, Like,

670
00:37:54.639 --> 00:37:57.519
what's what happens next? Who's going to stop me? And

671
00:37:57.559 --> 00:38:02.239
she proclaims not until the forest moves against the castle,

672
00:38:02.360 --> 00:38:06.960
will you? Will you fall? Which he's like, well that's ridiculous,

673
00:38:07.000 --> 00:38:09.519
you know the forest can't move. Yeah, he laughs it off. Right,

674
00:38:10.199 --> 00:38:13.079
So when you see the forest, when he looks out

675
00:38:13.119 --> 00:38:17.679
the h the embattlements and you see that the forest

676
00:38:17.719 --> 00:38:20.320
is actually in that creepy fog, the trees are coming

677
00:38:20.360 --> 00:38:24.199
at the castle. Yeah, his his his army is terrified,

678
00:38:24.840 --> 00:38:27.519
which is why they execute him, because they know they're

679
00:38:27.519 --> 00:38:30.039
about to get it. And You're like, and for a moment,

680
00:38:30.119 --> 00:38:32.239
I'm like, wait, you know, we've got an evil witch,

681
00:38:32.239 --> 00:38:35.119
We've got an evil spirit, Like is the is this

682
00:38:35.159 --> 00:38:37.039
like an evil dead thing or the wood's really coming alive?

683
00:38:37.599 --> 00:38:40.119
I love the big reveal. It was just the army,

684
00:38:40.840 --> 00:38:45.079
you know, the invading army using camouflage more or less. Yeah,

685
00:38:45.079 --> 00:38:46.760
they're just they just cut down some trees and they

686
00:38:46.760 --> 00:38:49.920
were using them to hide their stuff. Like I love

687
00:38:50.039 --> 00:38:54.639
that moment where we the audience see that because he

688
00:38:54.639 --> 00:38:56.800
he never gets that, you know, he even with like

689
00:38:56.880 --> 00:38:59.199
fifteen sixteen arrows and him he's still trying to draw

690
00:38:59.199 --> 00:39:06.639
his sword. And yeah, as he falls down and dies, he's.

691
00:39:05.440 --> 00:39:08.519
Lost it, you know. Once he tells them, hey, I

692
00:39:08.559 --> 00:39:11.119
saw a witch in the forest. She told me this

693
00:39:11.119 --> 00:39:13.800
would happened, They're like, all right, he is, he's lost it.

694
00:39:14.480 --> 00:39:15.559
Get your arrows ready.

695
00:39:15.800 --> 00:39:18.599
Yeah, yeah, well, and I think the great thing, you know,

696
00:39:19.119 --> 00:39:23.039
it ends with that that no style of drama. You know,

697
00:39:23.079 --> 00:39:25.280
one of the big things, one of the big themes

698
00:39:25.280 --> 00:39:28.239
in that is is being denied salvation. And I love

699
00:39:28.280 --> 00:39:31.320
that creepy the creepy witch the song that she's singing.

700
00:39:32.199 --> 00:39:34.320
We find out that his goat like he does, he does,

701
00:39:34.400 --> 00:39:37.760
he's not saved. He's he still walks among the forest.

702
00:39:38.239 --> 00:39:40.599
You know. Now he's a ghost, and yeah, you know

703
00:39:40.920 --> 00:39:45.559
he'll forever be haunted, forever be tormented. Love this movie,

704
00:39:45.639 --> 00:39:49.000
Brad again, thank you for recommending it. I was so

705
00:39:49.039 --> 00:39:51.639
happy to see it. I'm excited now to watch Rachaman

706
00:39:51.800 --> 00:39:55.280
and Hidden Fortress and see some of my other favorite movies.

707
00:39:55.360 --> 00:40:00.679
Uh done done the original way the way, Brad, like

708
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you mentioned, you mentioned he passed away in nineteen ninety eight.

709
00:40:03.119 --> 00:40:06.639
You know he did thirty four movies. What do you

710
00:40:06.679 --> 00:40:08.039
think about his body of working out?

711
00:40:08.079 --> 00:40:08.239
Could?

712
00:40:08.639 --> 00:40:10.480
I mean we you know, we like to talk about

713
00:40:10.519 --> 00:40:12.760
what would we want to see next? Obviously that's not

714
00:40:12.800 --> 00:40:15.159
going to happen. Would you want to see a remake

715
00:40:15.199 --> 00:40:18.360
of this of this?

716
00:40:19.280 --> 00:40:25.079
I don't think so, because I think, especially with the

717
00:40:25.119 --> 00:40:28.960
Coen Brothers Macbeth, it's almost a combination of elements of

718
00:40:29.000 --> 00:40:34.480
this film, elements of like Olivier's Hamlet. It's a lot

719
00:40:34.559 --> 00:40:38.880
of styles of Shakespeare kind of combined into one. I

720
00:40:38.920 --> 00:40:45.039
would like to see maybe, if anything, some kind of great,

721
00:40:45.199 --> 00:40:49.639
you know, documentary done about you know Kirosawa or like

722
00:40:49.639 --> 00:40:51.760
you said, I would like to see a box set

723
00:40:51.800 --> 00:40:54.880
of like the Essentials, you know how they have them

724
00:40:54.880 --> 00:40:57.920
for like Hitchcock, and give us a box set of

725
00:40:58.440 --> 00:41:00.920
essentials because a lot of his film are out on

726
00:41:01.280 --> 00:41:05.119
Criterion editions, But a box set of like the Akira

727
00:41:05.199 --> 00:41:09.400
cop Kurasawa Essentials, I think would be you know, fantastic,

728
00:41:09.360 --> 00:41:12.599
like ten fifteen films. I think that'd be great.

729
00:41:13.159 --> 00:41:16.639
Well, I'll tell you my choice and I'll go I'll

730
00:41:16.679 --> 00:41:20.559
go one of two ways. Here for you. One of

731
00:41:20.559 --> 00:41:23.679
my favorite actors, one of my current favorites. Uh, and

732
00:41:23.719 --> 00:41:28.320
we've talked about it before. Here a Yuki Sonata. You know,

733
00:41:28.360 --> 00:41:30.320
most people know him right now. He played Scorpion in

734
00:41:30.320 --> 00:41:32.960
the new Mortal Kombat movie. He also popped up in

735
00:41:33.000 --> 00:41:36.239
Avengers and he did he's done, He's done some awesome stuff.

736
00:41:37.880 --> 00:41:39.480
I would love if you're going to remake Throw in

737
00:41:39.519 --> 00:41:41.280
the Blood and I you know, you can keep them

738
00:41:41.280 --> 00:41:45.840
Atbeth Story there. I'd like to see this guy play

739
00:41:47.239 --> 00:41:50.679
with Shaizu because you talked about that that strong face,

740
00:41:50.800 --> 00:41:54.000
that that that ability to tell a lot with just

741
00:41:54.079 --> 00:41:58.039
your expression. I think Sonata is the guy that he's

742
00:41:58.159 --> 00:42:00.639
he's out there right now. He's the guy that does that. Okay,

743
00:42:01.440 --> 00:42:03.400
But you know what, Brad, if you if you're saying

744
00:42:03.440 --> 00:42:08.239
no to a remake, how about uh, how about kirasaw biography.

745
00:42:08.800 --> 00:42:12.480
We always get these biographies on movie stars and yeah,

746
00:42:13.159 --> 00:42:15.960
and sports people, give me a biography, you know, I

747
00:42:15.960 --> 00:42:18.440
mean we did. Tim Burton gave us ed Wood. Someone

748
00:42:18.440 --> 00:42:20.360
needs to step up and give us Kira Sala.

749
00:42:20.639 --> 00:42:22.800
Yeah, what was he like? What was he really like

750
00:42:22.880 --> 00:42:23.360
on set?

751
00:42:23.760 --> 00:42:26.920
Yeah? And I'll have in have Sonata play playing. Yeah,

752
00:42:27.119 --> 00:42:29.000
I just I'm a big fan of the guy. So okay,

753
00:42:29.320 --> 00:42:34.079
I'm plugging him out. I can't. All right, Well, Brad,

754
00:42:35.000 --> 00:42:37.280
I'll tell you that we talked about the We both

755
00:42:37.280 --> 00:42:40.320
watched this on HBO Max h There is a gorgeous

756
00:42:40.400 --> 00:42:44.119
Criterion collection available if you want to own it. I

757
00:42:44.800 --> 00:42:46.079
kind of feel like I need to own this movie

758
00:42:46.119 --> 00:42:49.440
now now that I've seen it. And uh, if there

759
00:42:49.519 --> 00:42:52.159
isn't an essentials box set like you talked about, like,

760
00:42:52.199 --> 00:42:54.519
I'm gonna check. I'm gonna check Criterion to see if

761
00:42:54.519 --> 00:42:57.119
they have it. Bruce Lee box set that they got

762
00:42:58.320 --> 00:43:01.199
that I picked up from them is awesome, you know.

763
00:43:01.960 --> 00:43:04.880
And I know they've got the the Toho, They've got

764
00:43:04.880 --> 00:43:09.639
the Godzilla set. Oh, it's like it's it's something. I mean,

765
00:43:09.639 --> 00:43:12.199
it's it's outrageously priced. But I mean we're talking cricterion

766
00:43:12.199 --> 00:43:14.679
and you're also talking like fifteen movies for that. Yeah.

767
00:43:14.760 --> 00:43:18.480
I can't. I can't believe that they wouldn't have something

768
00:43:18.559 --> 00:43:22.719
for a Curricurosawa so we got to check that out. Yep, right,

769
00:43:23.239 --> 00:43:26.039
we'll tell you else. You know, if you're listening, if

770
00:43:26.039 --> 00:43:28.000
you want to check some stuff out, uh, you can

771
00:43:28.079 --> 00:43:33.039
check us out. All of our episodes are streaming. You

772
00:43:33.079 --> 00:43:35.960
can check them out at www dot a film by

773
00:43:36.039 --> 00:43:39.400
podcast dot com. You can reach out to us on

774
00:43:39.440 --> 00:43:42.719
a fun buy podcast at gmail dot com. And if

775
00:43:42.800 --> 00:43:45.320
you are on Twitter or Facebook, you can always drop

776
00:43:45.400 --> 00:43:49.039
us a line, tweet at us post, give us a

777
00:43:49.039 --> 00:43:53.920
post at a film by Podcast. Brad Any final thoughts

778
00:43:54.159 --> 00:43:56.000
on on the Throne of Blood.

779
00:43:57.920 --> 00:44:00.840
If you are trying to maybe even get into something

780
00:44:01.000 --> 00:44:04.760
like Shakespeare, I would suggest maybe checking this film out

781
00:44:04.880 --> 00:44:07.559
before reading Macbeth. You know, you kind of get a

782
00:44:07.679 --> 00:44:10.599
presence of what you're you know, about to read and

783
00:44:10.599 --> 00:44:13.239
it might actually go a little bit better. And I

784
00:44:13.280 --> 00:44:15.400
think if you want to start off with some Cira sala,

785
00:44:15.679 --> 00:44:17.719
there's nothing wrong with starting with this movie at all.

786
00:44:18.440 --> 00:44:20.960
All right, that you heard it here Brad recommends Thrown

787
00:44:21.000 --> 00:44:24.480
a Blood to welcome you to the world of a

788
00:44:24.519 --> 00:44:28.239
cura hererosala. Well, that'll do it, Brad. We have kicked

789
00:44:28.239 --> 00:44:32.519
off the month of May and talking Asian, American and

790
00:44:32.559 --> 00:44:35.719
Pacific Islander Heritage Month I don't think we could have

791
00:44:35.800 --> 00:44:39.320
started it any better than this choice of a Cura.

792
00:44:39.159 --> 00:44:41.880
Herosawa so good. I'm glad you liked it.

793
00:44:42.559 --> 00:44:45.840
I did, and uh we will see you guys next time.

794
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Take care, be.

795
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Or simple no see no