April 8, 2025

Phasers Set To Stun: Star Trek V The Final Frontier

Phasers Set To Stun: Star Trek V The Final Frontier
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Season 6Phasers Set To Stun

On "Phasers Set To Stun," we recognize the popularity of all things Star Trek, with a look at television shows, animation, movies, and much more! On this episode, our crew sets a course for a return to Star Trek films with an inciteful, and at times humorous debate about William Shatner's directorial film debut, Star Trek V: The Final Frontier!

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Space, the Final Frontier. Join us for a bold conversation

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our prime directive to recap our favorite Star Trek shows,

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both new and old, to engage and debate about all

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things Trek. Prepare to energize with Phasers Set to Stunt.

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Hello, listeners, and welcome to an all new episode of

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Phasers Set to Stun, where we continue to show our

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love for everything's Star Trek in this ongoing series from

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a film by podcast focusing on every system of the

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expanding Star Trek universe by covering television, movies, animation, directors, merchandise,

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and much much more. Plotting your course on this voyage

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is your Core Trek crew. I'm Wayne Whited, and I'm

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Scott Hoffmann and I'm David Burns, and today we're crashing

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a shuttle all the way back to nineteen eighty nine

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and taking a close and detailed look at the fifth

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entry into the Star Trek film franchise. Yes, guys, the

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time has come to talk about Star Trek five, The

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Final Frontier, and this time we have William Shatner himself

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taking the captain's chair and directing the film, with a

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script written by David Lowry from a story created by

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William Shatner, R. Bennett and David Lourie. So, Scott, why

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don't you give us a short summary to remind us

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just what happened in this film?

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Wayne, I think you mean to say, share it with

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me and gain strength from the share it nice. In

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this nineteen eighty nine semi metaphysical voyage, we find Kurse's

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complete original crew come home to a new Enterprise in

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almost working order, just in time for another charismatic madman

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leading another gang of mad max beyond thunderdone stunt doubles

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to take over the ship. There must be something about

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tattooin active where that befettles the Groom. Their mission is

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led by the mysterious Sybock, the never mentioned half brother

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of Spock, who has taken hostage a small band of

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delegates from the Federation Romulin and Klington Empire. With apparently

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strong psychic and empathic powers, he's able to draw out

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each person's pain in a forced catharsis that renders them

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completely Devoted to his obsession finding the supreme Being, Sybok

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takes over one mind at a time until he has

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control of the Enterprise, which he needs to travel beyond

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the great barrier. This section of previously impassable space is

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where Saybok believes he can find not only the creator

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of everything, but the answers to every question ever asked

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by living beings. It's an adventure that absolutely stands out

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as a unique in the franchise for better or worse,

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as they pursue these answers, and one of the most

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important of any of them, What does God need with

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a starship? I'll add one more question to the pile.

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Are we ready to talk about a movie that for

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many like me can't decide if this is the worst

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Star Trek movie or if I secretly love it? Wayne,

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What are your thoughts?

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Well, let me paint a picture here about my anticipation

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for this film. Just imagine you're sixteen years old and

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you just got your driver's license two months back, and

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you're one of the biggest Star Trek trekkies on the planet,

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devouring everything there is about the show you know so secretly.

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You take the family car, pick up your friends, and

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you drive the line of Ohio, which if your mom

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found out you drive that fier, she'd skin you alive.

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You stop at the American Mall, which is a small

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indoor mall that has like a Kb's toys and a

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music land and a great hangout for teenagers. And it

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has a two small, small, two screen theater inside. You

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walk in and you see hanging near the door a

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poster showing a chair floating in space, asking you why

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are they putting seat belts in theaters this summer? For me,

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that was a great time to be a Star Trek fan.

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You know, how could you not be overwhelmed by the anticipation?

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And then I saw it, so yeah, oh man, I

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don't think it's that bad of a film. Yeah, I

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really don't. I don't think it's the greatest Star Trek film,

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but it's definitely not. You know, but it's not that bad.

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It has some really good parts to it, I will

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admit it. But after coming, you know, with Starter, two, three,

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and four, which were all fantastic films, this is lacking

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in a lot of plays on at least that's the

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way I thought.

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Yeah, I think it's interesting because there there's definitely a

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part in this where it feels like one of the

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most Unstar Trek Star Trek movies, where nobody's studying anything,

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nobody's taking out of a device. They're just kind of

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assuming everything in front of them to be true, which

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strikes me as odd. But there are enough fun parts

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of this that over time feels like it's aged a

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little bit better with me. Not that I'm gonna, you know,

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put this into heavy rotation, but I can definitely appreciate

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it a little bit more for the good parts, despite

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one pretty big bad part.

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Well, I know one of the main reasons why they

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put the seatbelts in is because they want you to leave.

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I like that that's a good idea.

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But really, when I think of this film, three things

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come come to mind right away. Kirk climbing the mountain

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at Yosemite, the Search for God, and Row Row Row,

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You're about gently down the stream. I wasn't a fan

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of this film when I was a kid. I remember

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going to theater seeing this with my father in eighty nine, which,

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by the way, I will still claim eighty nine is

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one of the best years in the eighties for movies.

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Oh yeah, But I remember us going in and seeing it,

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and then I came out of the theater very very disappointed,

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because I mean we came off of the voyage home

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what three years earlier, and absolutely loved that film, and

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you know, love what we call the trilogy, you know,

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with Con and The Search Respot and the Voyage Home.

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It's just I respect Do you respect it more now

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than I did? Obviously, because I look at Star Trek

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as a whole. It's nice that we have a Star

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Trek film, and thankfully it continued after this one. And

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if you really look at it, I mean it was successful.

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What it costs twenty seven million but ended up making

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what fifty or sixty million? Oh yeah, I mean it

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still made its money back.

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Well, a lot of it was for me. I think.

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You know, there's some good humor in this and some

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good new moments between characters, but I just feel at

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times it was bland, empty and really not very action

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pact that I really wanted. And I got to say,

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the Klingons in this, with the exception of Cord I

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liked him, feel like they were ordered straight from Wish

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dot com. Am, I am I wrong?

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You heard not wrong?

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Yeah, so it is interesting. They are pretty badass Klingons.

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Okay, well they are mad and they do have an ask.

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Yeah that's true. I mean Vixus is like, you know,

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ripped his hell, spicy spice. Williams Crosby is a is

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a stunt performer. He's got a long list, So I

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don't know. I thought, I thought her character and Captain

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Claw like he looks like where they were trying to

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take the cinematic Klingons with like the big hair and

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like the you know, it's like eighty nine metal kind

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of Klingons, I thought, at least, but I am alone, and.

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They look like Klingon teenagers that stole the that took

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their prey from their parents and went on a joy ride.

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Did yeh?

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That's how the mission goes, especially because he proves his

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you know, his metal by shooting space Garbage. It's been like, uh,

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it's just a satellite, Like.

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Did you just call wager garbage going to becoming after you?

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Just wait, just wait.

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Yeah.

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I don't know when I originally saw this movie, but

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I remember the first time just being confused about what

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I saw, and it took a couple of rewatches to

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be like, oh, okay, I get what's going on, just

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because that that ending, the ending doesn't really make sense.

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The beginning really didn't make much sense to me either,

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because it's like you've got somebody who's you know, mining

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in the desert, kind of digging holes, who can barely

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load a gun. Yet this is one of the generals

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that's going to take over the Enterprise. Like it, it's

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a it's a thin stretch reality. I think how they're

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able to take things over and and doesn't necessarily speak

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well to the crew that they've They've had the We're

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five movies in had controled the Enterprise three times and

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they've lost it twice. Yeah, to a ragtag band of

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people that basically just point weapons at them and take over.

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I don't know. It seems a little far fetched, but.

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It does in essence, and I feel this film has

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a few things already stacked against it. One of them

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is I do not like Cybock. I don't. I don't

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like that they made him the half brother of Spock,

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and it just I didn't like that at all, because,

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I mean, come on, Kirk and Spock have known each

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other for many, many years. Kirk would have known this,

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This would have come out somewhere well before this. But

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I think there are things that stacked against this. I mean,

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this isn't year. It was going up against what Batman

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the Last Crusade license Ghostbusters too. I mean, there are

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any things going against and then you've got ILM who

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was really really busy, and they couldn't support this film

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that it really needed that support for special effects. And

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on top of that, you hear the writers guild strike.

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So there's a a lot of things that were stacked

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against this film. But and I know Paramount is the

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one who's partially to blame for this, because they just

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kept pushing us forward to get it done and get

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it out there. I really wish they would have waited

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a little bit longer because we could have probably had

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a better film than what we got. So there's a

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lot of things against it, Grant. I mean we mentioned

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earlier there are some things in this film that I enjoy.

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I still feel some of the humor was pretty good

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in this Yeah, you know, especially with McCoy and Spock

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and Kirk and all of them.

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I like that.

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I liked the Ahora Scotty stuff. I felt like it

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was nice to see them making that connection with one another,

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you know, when she brought, when she brought dinner and

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stuff like that. I thought that was cool. I thought

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that I loved that connection and I wanted more of

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that so, I mean, there is some good stuff in

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this film. I can't complain about that. It is overall,

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I just did not like this movie.

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Well yeah, I mean I was disappointed the film so much.

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I went to the theater three more times just after

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that and saw it. So but I mean, I was

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just writing on that that I love Star Trek thing.

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But when I started watching it more and more, when

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it came out on videotape, and I started realizing that,

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you know, it's just it's a very flawed film. It's

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it's very William Shatner. I mean all of them that

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you know, you we just got two films with Leonard

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Nimoy directing, and then you watch this and this is

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this is, in my opinion, this is the way Shatner

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sees Star Trek. It's it's very very different, you know,

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but it doesn't work. It's just it just it doesn't work.

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It's kind of hard to even describe my true feelings

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about this film. It's it's just in pieces. It's great

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as a whole, it's just doesn't work at all. It's

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it's horrible.

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So there's there's two specific pieces of this that don't

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really work for me. But that we're really standing out

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to me when I was rewatching this one is the

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apparent confusion about vulcans and robulins, and I'll do the

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you know, the low hanging fruit for the Romulin delegate.

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I don't believe it's the actress's fault because I don't

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know enough about the writing behind it and what was

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being done. But it just seems like a very Unromulin character.

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Her her attitude walking in, like she seems like she

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could have been any species. Necessarily, there wasn't anything specifically

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Romulin about her, even her uh you know, the the

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ears were covered by these like decorative ornate kind of

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Princess Leiah headphones shaped like Rodland ears. Right, the attitude

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and things that came through in the next generation just

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was really kind of confusing, Like I kept watching this like,

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how is this? How is this a Romulin?

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You're right, you're right. But maybe it's because of all

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that that she became the ambassador of this crappy planet

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set her off because it seems like one of the

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worst assignments that you possibly can have for an ambassador.

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Plus, you know, we really hadn't seen much of the Romulins.

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No theater, we have fires.

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And let me think, I'm trying to think when this

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this aired, they've only appeared twice on the next generation. Yeah,

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this is fairly in one. So yeah, this is she's yeah,

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one of their earliest romulents in terms of looking the

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eighties two or so. Yeah, but you're right, she doesn't act.

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It's just kind of a wasted opportunity because it is,

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and she seems to be pretty happy for somebody who

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she's like, you know, shoved off to the dumbster of

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the galaxy. She seems very gleievl before she's even manipulated

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by Sybak, So I don't know. And then it's Saybok himself,

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you know, if he's full Vulcan, the son of Sarah

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and a Vulcan princess. Aside from the fact that there's

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there's not much Vulcan about him, he has these kind

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of of what is it, like, a low level kind

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of psychic field. I'm guessing because when he's taking McCoy

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through his episode with his father, or he's trying to

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go through Spock's pain at his birth, it feels like

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they're implying that the other people in the room can

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see it.

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I think that's right correct, which seems odd.

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I don't know that I've ever heard of, you know,

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that kind of vulcan powers or anything else like that.

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And just that his introduction when he's riding up on

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the horse on Martian Manhunter in the desert like digging

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for holes. He he gaffs and he's like, oh, you're

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a vulcan. Like we should all be blown away by

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this in the fifth movie and it's kind of like,

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so what, Like it just seems so odd for both

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of those characters, and it just very off in terms

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of Star Trek.

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Yeah, and you know we're talking about the Ambassadors. They

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have two great actors, you know, got David Warner and

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Charles Scooper, and they're so under used in this film.

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It's it's it's embarrassing how under use David Warners. We

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all know he's a fantastic actor. We love He's appeared

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later and starts Trek fortunately in good parts. But this

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why are they even there? Yeah, they really have nothing

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to do with the storyline.

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There was a lot better than the last time he

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was pursuing the Supreme Being and Time bandits. Yeah, and

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I'm glad he got some redemption as Golden Red in

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uh Next Generation.

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Yeah, and he plays working in the Undiscovered Country.

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Yep, oh that's right.

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Yeah, so when we talked about him again.

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He's been in everything. I love this stuff he's been

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of course, you know, Charles s Cooper. We see him

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again on the Next Generations, Kim Peck, the Klingons. I

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think practically the same character really is playing here, but

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much more important. It just I don't know, there's a

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lot of of you know, parts of this film that

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that just don't work for me. There are a few

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that do, especially the music, you know, and some of

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the scenes are are brilliant. You brought up the scene

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in the in that room where he's seeing the visions.

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I actually like that part. That's one of my favorite

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parts of the film. That may not make much sense,

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but it is. It is nicely shot. And the way

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Kirk Spock and McCoy are having that that, the conversation,

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the way they work together in those scenes is really nice.

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Real really, I think the McCoy stuff was the best there. Yeah,

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I mean I liked all of it, like the entire scenes.

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I'm with you on that. That's like one of my

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favorite parts of the film and how that was handled

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and how that was directed. But the McCoy scene I

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thought was abso incredible because it was nice to actually

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get to see some more of his character, you know,

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his his family that you know, we really haven't gotten

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to see. I really appreciated that, and I even liked

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when Thyback was trying to get Kirk, and Kirk refewos

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you know, and basically he says, you know, I need

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my pain, you know. Basically what makes him who he

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is is that pain. You take it away, then what

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are you. You're nobody. You're a zombie basically, you know.

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So I like that and I like that response from

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Kirk there.

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Well I like the fact that Bones and Spock don't

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go with Cybok, that they choose to remain with with Kirk.

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I was careful, very glad to see that.

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Yeah, here's a reason for that too. I'll get it.

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We'll get into that later, but yeah, there is a

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reason why it unfolds that way. Let's take a quick

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break and then we'll be back to finish our discussion

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on Star Trek five to the Final Frontier. All Right,

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we're back, and let's see what more we can uh

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talk about this, Let's see if we can find something

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good to talk about. So, guys, I mean, we started

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talking about some bits of this film that we we

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really liked. What would you consider your favorite thing about

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this film?

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For me, I think it's in the brig scene that

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I laugh hysterically. Oh yeah, yeah, when when they get

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thrown in there and Kirkus looks at Spot you forgive me,

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forgive you, I should knock you on your goddamn a

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and the corresponds, you want me holding GM you stay

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out of this, I'll see what's right there. And then

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of course eventually Scotty comes to save them with the

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S O S to stand back, and they're like listening

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to the S S to try to figure out S

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T and just going to I love that whole scene.

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Yeah, I expected that every time I watch it For

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some reason, based on what we saw in UH Star

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Trek four, when kirk is yelling at Spock and he's like,

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I got to knock you on your ass for that,

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I expect Stock to say, well, double double dubass on

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you or whatever.

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Wood.

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But yeah, the the attempted breakout where he's like useless,

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unwise and then it, you know, shocked him. I think

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Scotty is definitely a standout in this one. He's all business.

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I mean, he's got his hands full from cover to cover,

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but he's got great lines. Even the part where he

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you know, I know the ship like the back of

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my hand and knocks himself out. That's a little far fetched,

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but still the comedy hits The comedy hits on in

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a lot of places for me with this one, which

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is one of the reasons that it's become better. It's

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not one that I really want to watch all the time,

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but the breakout scene like you're talking about, and the

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Yosemite scenes, even though they were a bit ridiculous, McCoy's

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comedy is spot on where he's like gambling with life,

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lay in games, Gary and relaxing idiots, and it's just

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nice to see them come together in a moment where

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they can truly relax because they haven't necessarily had that

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for the past four movies. The last one was a

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little bit more lighthearted, but it feels like that makes

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it more accessible to a wider audience as long as

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they don't do it to such a big degree that

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becomes distant from star Trek and aside from Kirk saying

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that row row row, your boat has like six rows

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and the marshmallows and things like that. So I don't know,

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I just I just like those mole's made it feel

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like pals.

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And I'm glad the movie book ended it that way too,

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you know how it ended with them at the campfire,

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you know, and hanging out again. So I'm glad they

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did realize, you know, that was a good piece to

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have in this film, to have those characters relax and

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to do it again at the end.

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I like that.

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Yeah, And you know, going on with what both of

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you said, anytime that Kirk, Spock and McQuay are on

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screen together, I think it's some of my favorite moments.

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Now.

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They really do show their friendship here in this film,

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but it comes off Clark. It comes across really well.

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But I really like the scene. I liked the shuttlecraft crash.

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I think considering you know, some of the visual effects

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are hit and miss, I thought it looked fantastic. But

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I like the scene the right after, you know, when

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when Stock picks up the gun and you know, Kirk

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is like shoot him. And I really liked the scene

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I like the tension. I like the way it was

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played by the cast.

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Yeah, so along those lines when you talk about like

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the crash scene, I don't know specifically why this had

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happened on my latest viewing of it, but the set

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design really stood out to me. I feel like the

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set designs were really lit well. I think they were

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designed well, like there's a lot of places where we're

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kind of navigating corridors, like after the prison break. It

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felt like we had some influence from Next Generation. There

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was probably advance. There was the interior set design. The

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lighting was just well, it stood out to me, is

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really impressive.

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Well, it was more than just influence. They had to

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reuse some of their sets. The corridors or were just

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completely re used. They didn't even change them at all.

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They couldn't because they were filming Next Generation. But some

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of the sets are brand new. I know the bridge

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is brand new, and it was they brought in the

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designers for the Next Generation. I think the sets look fantastic,

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and you're right, and they're lit. They're lit well, They're

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not too dark like some of the films later on.

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They just they just looked great, especially that room. The

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what did they call that the room with a wheel.

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I can't think of what they called that in the

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film now, but I love that set with the big

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windows with the big yeah, like an observation deck or something.

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Yeah, kind of like they're ten to four maybe, I

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don't know.

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Well, that's what it was supposed to be. That's where

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it's supposed to be on the ship, but there's no

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windows in the front of the ship to to you know,

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show that we had to quite match the model.

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Yeah. Interesting. I do like the one simple shot because

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you guys are talking about how you know, some of

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these scenes are lit really well and the rooms and

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stuff like that. To go back to the hangar bay,

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I just like the simple shot of looking out of

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the glass over top of the hangar bay. You get

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you get that shot a couple of times, especially when

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Scotty is like watching what's going on when it crashes

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and stuff like that in the fight. But I do, yeah,

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I agree with you guys. I think they did a

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really good job with that.

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This time. There was another scene that stood out to

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me because it's I think it's unique in all the

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Star Wars.

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Oh boy, oh.

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Boy, I should I should say ten Hail Kirk. There

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is one thing that really stands out, is unique in

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all the Star Trek movies, which is the Ohura song

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and dance sequence. Yes, at first, I was really happy

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to see that this time. I knew it was there,

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I knew it was coming, but it was before I

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knew her history as a singer and a dancer from

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our in motion episode. Yep. If you missed that, please

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go listen. You haven't seen that documentary, please go watch it.

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But then I was disappointed when I heard that she

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they didn't use her voice. I was over dubbed, which

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just seems like, why would you do that to Michelle?

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That's ridiculous. Yeah, I didn't know that until recently too. Wow,

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dumb decisions is what that was.

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Dumb exactly because she was heartbroken too when she found

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out that dubbed her.

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I mean, I would like, I've been with you this log, right,

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you know, moving this forward, and you do that to me.

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There was there was no reason for him to have

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to overde with.

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I think my the favorite line for me is Captain,

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please not in front of the Klingons.

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Oh yeah, I thought that was funny. All right, do

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we have anything else that we can say positive about

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the film.

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Let's dig I will say, this gave us Jerry Goldsmith back.

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So that is one highlight of this film is we

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got him back to compose this music.

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Well, let's go and let's talk about this school. We'll

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bring that up. You know, Shatner wanted to bring back

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composer Jerry Goldsmith from the beginning, and boy am I

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glad he did. I mean, I loved Horner. I thought

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Leondard Roseman did a fantastic job. But everybody knows how

469
00:25:14.079 --> 00:25:16.720
much for Goldsmith's being. That score he did for the

470
00:25:16.759 --> 00:25:20.319
motion pictures just outstanding. You know, Goldsmith recorded to score

471
00:25:21.079 --> 00:25:25.920
at Paramount Stage m over six days in March and April.

472
00:25:26.039 --> 00:25:31.279
That ninety one piece Hollywood Symphony Orchestra recorded about seventy

473
00:25:31.279 --> 00:25:35.200
four minutes of score. So what do you guys think

474
00:25:35.240 --> 00:25:35.519
about it?

475
00:25:36.400 --> 00:25:39.160
Well, I think it's the Goldsmith that we all love.

476
00:25:39.880 --> 00:25:43.039
You get the the percussion with percussion rhythms, you know,

477
00:25:43.200 --> 00:25:47.079
the for thext string lines, and that forceful breath that

478
00:25:47.160 --> 00:25:50.480
he loves to use. Yeah, it really brings out the

479
00:25:50.680 --> 00:25:55.599
power of this movie of Star Trek in general, and

480
00:25:55.680 --> 00:25:58.680
anything goldimanth touches. To be honest, honest with you. So,

481
00:25:58.799 --> 00:26:01.519
I mean it's something that was definitely myss And you know,

482
00:26:01.599 --> 00:26:03.799
I love Winner Wayne, I've I've loved Wonner for a

483
00:26:03.880 --> 00:26:06.160
very long time and he's among one of my favorite composers.

484
00:26:06.759 --> 00:26:09.960
But I will admit Goldsmith's score is way better for

485
00:26:10.079 --> 00:26:13.240
Star Trek, So I'm glad he did return to it.

486
00:26:13.359 --> 00:26:15.960
It fits very very well. You know, we get the

487
00:26:16.200 --> 00:26:18.440
the main theme again at the beginning of this film,

488
00:26:18.920 --> 00:26:21.559
you know, which we know very well from you know,

489
00:26:21.720 --> 00:26:24.440
next Enuration and stuff like that, and I believe with

490
00:26:24.519 --> 00:26:26.559
an Next Ration in their second or third season.

491
00:26:27.200 --> 00:26:29.839
When it came out, they had just finished sharing their

492
00:26:29.880 --> 00:26:30.480
second season.

493
00:26:30.680 --> 00:26:33.160
Okay, So I mean I felt like the music was

494
00:26:33.279 --> 00:26:35.720
very fitting just because of you know, where we are

495
00:26:35.839 --> 00:26:39.680
at with the Next generation. So having Goldsmith back was

496
00:26:39.759 --> 00:26:42.920
a great addition to this film. Unfortunately, I don't like

497
00:26:43.039 --> 00:26:45.039
this film a lot, but it has its points that

498
00:26:45.160 --> 00:26:47.720
I like, and the music in Goldsmith is one of

499
00:26:47.759 --> 00:26:50.079
the biggest ones that I was glad to have return.

500
00:26:50.640 --> 00:26:53.480
Yeah, what about you, Scott, Yeah, I mean.

501
00:26:53.400 --> 00:26:57.839
I think it's it's very fitting for the end, and

502
00:26:57.960 --> 00:27:00.480
it does. It's another one of these I feel like,

503
00:27:00.559 --> 00:27:03.039
I say, with the score quite a bit that it

504
00:27:03.400 --> 00:27:06.640
has kind of a range of different kinds of scenes

505
00:27:07.599 --> 00:27:09.680
that they're going through. Right, you've got the comedy, you've

506
00:27:09.680 --> 00:27:13.480
got the adventure, you've got kind of the the escape.

507
00:27:13.759 --> 00:27:17.160
So I think it does a great job of moving

508
00:27:17.240 --> 00:27:22.720
the the the movie along. And I don't know, I

509
00:27:23.240 --> 00:27:26.920
think Dave you said the best. It just fits with it,

510
00:27:27.039 --> 00:27:29.240
and I'm very glad that we uh that we got

511
00:27:29.359 --> 00:27:33.000
this composition team back.

512
00:27:33.720 --> 00:27:37.599
Yeah, Goldsmith is incredible with action music. And it's not

513
00:27:37.799 --> 00:27:40.039
generic action music like you get in a lot of

514
00:27:40.079 --> 00:27:44.119
the newer films exactly. This is very well composed action

515
00:27:44.319 --> 00:27:48.160
music that fits the movie beautifully. Now, granted, the Final

516
00:27:48.200 --> 00:27:50.799
Frontier doesn't have a ton of action in it, but

517
00:27:51.920 --> 00:27:55.839
when it does, Goldsmith freaking nails it. There are even

518
00:27:55.960 --> 00:27:58.839
elements in the score that and as I've mentioned in

519
00:27:58.960 --> 00:28:01.119
the Goldsmith episod so that we did a while back

520
00:28:01.200 --> 00:28:05.200
with Chuck, that fits the first night. There are elements

521
00:28:05.279 --> 00:28:06.920
in this score that I hear the first night in

522
00:28:07.000 --> 00:28:08.480
it and it just God, I love it. It gives

523
00:28:08.480 --> 00:28:11.680
me chills when I hear it. So, I mean, he

524
00:28:11.799 --> 00:28:13.000
did a fantastic job in this.

525
00:28:13.079 --> 00:28:15.599
And wait, I know you think so, Oh yeah, I

526
00:28:15.680 --> 00:28:18.240
think of the five scores that he did for the films,

527
00:28:18.720 --> 00:28:22.559
this is probably the most Jerry Goldsmith that Jerry Goldsmith

528
00:28:22.640 --> 00:28:26.200
had done with the scores. I mean it, just every

529
00:28:26.319 --> 00:28:28.960
second of his music has got his fingerprints all over it.

530
00:28:29.240 --> 00:28:34.720
And he is the master of taking bad films and

531
00:28:34.839 --> 00:28:38.759
giving them fantastic scores. He's done that so many times.

532
00:28:38.799 --> 00:28:41.039
I mean I could name a dozen of them, like

533
00:28:41.119 --> 00:28:44.759
you know, Mister Baseball and Supergirl and Criminal Law and

534
00:28:45.480 --> 00:28:48.079
you know, just you can go on and on. But

535
00:28:48.279 --> 00:28:52.599
and here's a great example of his music, taking a

536
00:28:52.759 --> 00:28:56.359
film that could you know, mediocre to bad and lifting it,

537
00:28:56.960 --> 00:28:59.480
you know, making it better than what it really is.

538
00:28:59.759 --> 00:29:03.000
And it's a fantastic score. I love this. I've listened

539
00:29:03.039 --> 00:29:06.720
to it hundreds and hundreds of times. I did find

540
00:29:06.799 --> 00:29:08.400
I remember when I first saw it. I did find

541
00:29:08.440 --> 00:29:12.680
it odd that he was using his theme from Star

542
00:29:12.720 --> 00:29:15.920
Trek the motion picture, because at the time it was

543
00:29:15.960 --> 00:29:18.200
pretty established it was the next generation, but it wasn't

544
00:29:18.279 --> 00:29:23.799
considered the Star Trek theme, the overlaying theme. This is

545
00:29:23.839 --> 00:29:27.400
where it started being that. With his reuse of this,

546
00:29:27.880 --> 00:29:32.079
it became the definitive Star Trek theme. And I love it.

547
00:29:32.319 --> 00:29:34.799
I'm glad he did. There's quite a few cues in

548
00:29:34.839 --> 00:29:37.480
this score that I love, especially that right at the

549
00:29:37.519 --> 00:29:41.680
beginning with the Yosemite scenes, it's a track called the Mountain.

550
00:29:41.839 --> 00:29:43.960
I think that's one of the most beautiful piece of

551
00:29:44.039 --> 00:29:48.160
C's just absolutely incredible, the flute and the violins and

552
00:29:49.400 --> 00:29:51.519
just a little bit of Hitt electronic instruments because he

553
00:29:51.599 --> 00:29:55.119
always likes throwing something odd in there. And you're right,

554
00:29:55.200 --> 00:29:59.279
the action music is perfect Goldsmith. It reminds me so

555
00:29:59.400 --> 00:30:02.920
much of others ors he did, like the Rambo films, Yes, yeah,

556
00:30:03.200 --> 00:30:06.640
and their Nipe definitely first there's even you can even

557
00:30:06.759 --> 00:30:08.960
hear a little bit of what we're going to get

558
00:30:09.200 --> 00:30:11.920
in a few Star Trek films, the First Contact, Yes,

559
00:30:12.319 --> 00:30:15.359
you know that that beautiful action music that he's so

560
00:30:15.640 --> 00:30:18.160
good at and Star Trek First Contract is like one

561
00:30:18.160 --> 00:30:20.960
of my favorite Star Trek scores, and so I mean

562
00:30:21.279 --> 00:30:22.960
to see that we're starting to get that build up

563
00:30:23.000 --> 00:30:26.119
here to that just makes me so happy. And he's

564
00:30:26.200 --> 00:30:29.880
doing the whole John Williams thing too with this score,

565
00:30:30.000 --> 00:30:32.839
something that is not usual for him, in which he's

566
00:30:32.880 --> 00:30:36.519
creating themes for various people and things that you know,

567
00:30:36.599 --> 00:30:41.759
we've got the the friendship theme, there's the the quest theme,

568
00:30:41.759 --> 00:30:46.000
there's the Chaka re theme, there's cybops themes. I it's

569
00:30:46.160 --> 00:30:47.920
very rare for him to do that. When he does,

570
00:30:48.039 --> 00:30:51.160
it's it's he does a great job, just like Williams

571
00:30:51.200 --> 00:30:53.880
does and it works really well in this film.

572
00:30:54.359 --> 00:30:54.559
It does.

573
00:30:54.880 --> 00:30:57.359
You know, you don't really notice that the themes are separate,

574
00:30:57.440 --> 00:31:01.440
but they're there and very various. Four it really is

575
00:31:01.559 --> 00:31:06.319
Goldsmith that is finest and it's available to purchase the

576
00:31:06.359 --> 00:31:10.039
original score. The soundtrack was released back with the release

577
00:31:10.079 --> 00:31:12.599
of the film in nineteen eighty nine. It was on LP,

578
00:31:12.839 --> 00:31:16.279
cassette and CD by Epic Records, but it contained very

579
00:31:16.279 --> 00:31:18.759
little to score, about thirty eight minutes nine tracks plus

580
00:31:18.880 --> 00:31:23.240
the song So the Moon's the Window to Heaven. We

581
00:31:23.319 --> 00:31:25.880
had to wait till twenty ten before the rest of

582
00:31:25.920 --> 00:31:28.240
it came out with Lalla Lean Records. We got a

583
00:31:28.279 --> 00:31:30.759
two CD set containing all seventy three minutes of the

584
00:31:30.799 --> 00:31:34.599
score on disc one with alternates, outtakes and the original

585
00:31:34.680 --> 00:31:38.519
album remastered for just two but they made it a

586
00:31:38.599 --> 00:31:41.799
limited to five thousand copies and it sold out very

587
00:31:41.920 --> 00:31:45.880
quickly after its release, which made Paramount really upset because

588
00:31:45.920 --> 00:31:50.720
they had put a order that the Star Trek scores

589
00:31:50.720 --> 00:31:53.680
would be available and not limited. So Entrota came in,

590
00:31:54.400 --> 00:31:57.680
stepped in, re released it, and it's still available today.

591
00:31:57.720 --> 00:31:59.400
So everybody go ahead and get a copy of this year.

592
00:31:59.440 --> 00:32:00.000
You won't regret it.

593
00:32:01.559 --> 00:32:04.240
Did they have every take of Row Row Row your Boat.

594
00:32:05.799 --> 00:32:08.680
They don't have the singing, but they do have the music.

595
00:32:08.759 --> 00:32:12.079
They do have spocks fucking at the Vulcan harp on. There,

596
00:32:12.400 --> 00:32:18.119
there you go, there you go. All right, let's let's

597
00:32:18.160 --> 00:32:20.640
step back a little bit and talk about the the

598
00:32:20.799 --> 00:32:24.279
what IFFs on this film? Do you guys find out

599
00:32:24.279 --> 00:32:26.839
any what ifs about about the creation of this film

600
00:32:26.960 --> 00:32:28.920
or what you think should have happened?

601
00:32:29.319 --> 00:32:30.799
Well, I think one of the big ones for me

602
00:32:30.960 --> 00:32:33.119
that was kind of surprised by Sean Connery is actually

603
00:32:33.160 --> 00:32:34.400
offered sidebox roll.

604
00:32:34.480 --> 00:32:36.599
I heard that, Yeah, which is why they'm been in

605
00:32:36.640 --> 00:32:38.440
the planet Chakra exactly.

606
00:32:38.759 --> 00:32:41.440
Yes. What do you guys think? What do you think

607
00:32:41.480 --> 00:32:45.240
about it? Think? Think Sean Connery playing side balk What

608
00:32:45.359 --> 00:32:47.160
do you guys think about that? I think it.

609
00:32:47.359 --> 00:32:49.240
I think it would have worked, but I like him better.

610
00:32:49.319 --> 00:32:50.519
Henry Jones sr.

611
00:32:50.559 --> 00:32:52.440
Oh Yes, without money in the right decision.

612
00:32:52.599 --> 00:32:55.559
I think we're in the Better Universe. Yeah, at the

613
00:32:55.640 --> 00:32:58.519
alternate reality video store. I think the Better ale to

614
00:32:58.599 --> 00:32:58.880
go down.

615
00:32:59.319 --> 00:32:59.519
Yeah.

616
00:33:00.599 --> 00:33:02.359
I feel like he would have been kind of perplexed

617
00:33:02.400 --> 00:33:05.440
by it. I think going into the script you would

618
00:33:05.440 --> 00:33:07.720
have been like, this is starting to fall apart, doesn't

619
00:33:07.720 --> 00:33:10.200
really make sense. It would be also interesting to see

620
00:33:10.319 --> 00:33:13.599
how much of a Star Trek fan he is or

621
00:33:13.720 --> 00:33:13.920
is not.

622
00:33:14.680 --> 00:33:17.000
M h with how that plays out.

623
00:33:17.039 --> 00:33:19.039
We've seen that happen with a lot of different franchises.

624
00:33:19.079 --> 00:33:21.039
People that step in because it will be fun, but

625
00:33:21.079 --> 00:33:24.680
they have no idea what they're getting into. I I

626
00:33:24.880 --> 00:33:29.759
do think, you know, Cybox's character is definitely flawed. I

627
00:33:29.839 --> 00:33:33.440
think Lawrence Luckinbill does a good job with the character.

628
00:33:35.079 --> 00:33:37.880
I have a little bit of a higher respect for

629
00:33:38.000 --> 00:33:41.440
him knowing that he is the son in law of

630
00:33:41.960 --> 00:33:44.960
Desieres and Lucille Ball. I mean, Lucille Ball had a

631
00:33:45.480 --> 00:33:48.319
huge part of making it start to even happen.

632
00:33:48.759 --> 00:33:50.640
Absolutely, but I don't know.

633
00:33:50.680 --> 00:33:52.640
It would have seemed like a mismatch, and I think

634
00:33:53.200 --> 00:33:55.119
I would hate to see somebody else as Henry Jones

635
00:33:55.279 --> 00:33:56.759
Senior in last.

636
00:33:56.599 --> 00:34:02.920
Year's that's the absolute perfect casting. I'm glad he did that,

637
00:34:03.119 --> 00:34:04.200
not this well.

638
00:34:04.359 --> 00:34:07.200
I think I read somewhere. Correct me if I'm wrong,

639
00:34:07.880 --> 00:34:11.000
But didn't the originally the script have like Spock and

640
00:34:11.079 --> 00:34:12.480
McCoy sided with Sybock.

641
00:34:12.920 --> 00:34:15.199
Yes, that's correct. We I was gonna bring that up.

642
00:34:15.239 --> 00:34:17.679
Okay, that's kind of crazy to think about, isn't it.

643
00:34:18.360 --> 00:34:18.639
It is?

644
00:34:19.039 --> 00:34:21.800
And there's a reason why they didn't go with that,

645
00:34:22.360 --> 00:34:26.679
very good reason because, yeah, William Shatner's first idea was

646
00:34:27.000 --> 00:34:30.039
called Star Trek An Act of Love. On the original

647
00:34:30.079 --> 00:34:32.519
title of the film, it would have it was much

648
00:34:32.719 --> 00:34:37.039
much darker. Yeah, and it featured the first true falling

649
00:34:37.079 --> 00:34:39.880
out between Kirk and Spock and McCoy. You know, they

650
00:34:39.920 --> 00:34:43.039
would have went with Sybock and left Kirk alone enough,

651
00:34:43.400 --> 00:34:47.119
But this changed because Meimoy absolutely refused to play that.

652
00:34:47.960 --> 00:34:51.360
Let me say, there's no chance whatsoever that Spock would

653
00:34:51.400 --> 00:34:54.800
ever turn on Kirk, especially after what Kirk did for

654
00:34:54.960 --> 00:34:58.960
him in Star Trek three. You know, Shatner liked the

655
00:34:59.039 --> 00:35:01.559
original idea, and he did his best to try to

656
00:35:01.559 --> 00:35:03.920
get me more to change his mind, but Memoy said, no,

657
00:35:05.199 --> 00:35:08.639
you know, he there, they're brothers, they're practically brothers. Back

658
00:35:08.639 --> 00:35:11.719
would not portray Captain Kirk. And then you know, hearing

659
00:35:11.800 --> 00:35:15.800
this DeForrest. Kelly thought, well, yeah, I agree with that.

660
00:35:15.960 --> 00:35:17.559
You know, McCoy wouldn't do that either.

661
00:35:18.360 --> 00:35:18.480
You know.

662
00:35:18.599 --> 00:35:21.039
Shatner finally, you know, after sitting down thinking about it,

663
00:35:21.119 --> 00:35:23.880
he started to agree with them because he realized that,

664
00:35:24.360 --> 00:35:27.079
you know, if the tables were turned, Kirk wouldn't have

665
00:35:27.480 --> 00:35:30.760
gone with Cywalk. He would never turn against Spocka McCoy either.

666
00:35:30.920 --> 00:35:33.519
So that's that's the reason why we didn't get that

667
00:35:33.760 --> 00:35:34.360
part of the story.

668
00:35:34.840 --> 00:35:36.199
But it would have been it would have been such

669
00:35:36.199 --> 00:35:38.159
a left turn for the arc that it's taking.

670
00:35:38.559 --> 00:35:40.360
Yeah, right, it would have been.

671
00:35:40.679 --> 00:35:44.679
It would have made Undiscovered Country seem really really strange

672
00:35:44.719 --> 00:35:47.840
and really really strained among the crew, and you don't

673
00:35:47.840 --> 00:35:50.199
want to do that when they're about to basically wrap

674
00:35:50.320 --> 00:35:52.079
up their time in the franchise.

675
00:35:52.880 --> 00:35:55.440
I'm glad we got what we got. Yeah. Yeah, And

676
00:35:55.639 --> 00:35:57.760
I don't think the fans would have went for it

677
00:35:57.840 --> 00:35:58.280
any either.

678
00:35:58.519 --> 00:35:58.559
No.

679
00:35:58.960 --> 00:36:02.960
We all know that those three are they're they're they're together.

680
00:36:03.039 --> 00:36:04.840
I mean, you know there they are just like brothers.

681
00:36:04.840 --> 00:36:07.280
There's no way that they would split like fans would

682
00:36:07.320 --> 00:36:09.239
have been would have been against this film more than

683
00:36:09.239 --> 00:36:12.480
they already are, no doubt.

684
00:36:12.880 --> 00:36:15.239
But I know there was another uh go ahead, No

685
00:36:16.840 --> 00:36:23.360
I was there's another another alternate uh angle to chakery.

686
00:36:23.639 --> 00:36:26.760
Uh that we all was got with giant rock monsters

687
00:36:27.159 --> 00:36:30.320
that Kirk was apparently supposed to fight, which is a

688
00:36:30.400 --> 00:36:33.320
happy accident because we didn't get that in here, thank god,

689
00:36:33.360 --> 00:36:35.960
because I don't know who would have Judo chapter the neck.

690
00:36:37.360 --> 00:36:41.159
But uh, that ended up coming back to Galaxy Quest,

691
00:36:41.360 --> 00:36:42.280
Thank goodness.

692
00:36:43.360 --> 00:36:46.920
That scene, that scene was filmed. They did. They did

693
00:36:47.039 --> 00:36:50.719
film that scene, my goodness. But yeah they did. But

694
00:36:51.559 --> 00:36:53.920
you know, they he wanted a whole bunch of rock monsters,

695
00:36:54.000 --> 00:36:56.920
but they only were able to make one animatronic and

696
00:36:57.039 --> 00:36:59.679
it happened to be played by Stumpman and Tom Morga.

697
00:37:00.199 --> 00:37:02.440
Okay, there we go, get everywhere.

698
00:37:02.679 --> 00:37:04.679
I've seen the pictures of him in that in a costume.

699
00:37:04.760 --> 00:37:08.880
He personally showed him to me. Yeah, they they filmed

700
00:37:08.920 --> 00:37:12.960
the scene, but it looked so poor, so bad, that

701
00:37:13.719 --> 00:37:15.639
they dropped that whole thing out of the scene. Although

702
00:37:15.719 --> 00:37:20.360
you can very briefly there's a scene where when God

703
00:37:20.840 --> 00:37:23.320
shoots those energy blasts and hit Captain Kirk and it

704
00:37:23.400 --> 00:37:26.559
throws him back. You can briefly see a one of

705
00:37:26.599 --> 00:37:31.119
the rock monsters in the background. Yeah, you know you

706
00:37:31.360 --> 00:37:33.400
And if you wish to see the scene, you can

707
00:37:34.280 --> 00:37:37.920
see it. Watch it on the the two disc DVD release.

708
00:37:37.960 --> 00:37:39.440
I'm not sure if it's on the Blu ray, but

709
00:37:39.519 --> 00:37:41.679
it is on the DVD release. They're there for everybody

710
00:37:41.760 --> 00:37:43.679
to watch. I'm glad they dropped it.

711
00:37:44.039 --> 00:37:47.000
And for those listeners who want to know more about

712
00:37:47.000 --> 00:37:49.840
this photo album, Wayne is talking about Tom Morga, please

713
00:37:49.880 --> 00:37:52.239
go listen to Convent three and in the line that

714
00:37:52.400 --> 00:37:54.000
Jeff and I had to wait because of Wayne and

715
00:37:54.079 --> 00:37:54.599
Tom Morgan.

716
00:37:56.599 --> 00:37:58.480
Oh you'll love it, you will, you will.

717
00:37:58.559 --> 00:37:59.559
It's great, great story.

718
00:38:00.280 --> 00:38:02.599
All right, are there any other thoughts about this film

719
00:38:02.639 --> 00:38:03.800
that you guys would like to bring up.

720
00:38:04.880 --> 00:38:08.079
Let's not forget about Kim Cantrell. She auditioned for a

721
00:38:08.199 --> 00:38:10.000
role for one of the Klingon Wars.

722
00:38:10.519 --> 00:38:11.800
I wouldn't wear that. I didn't know that.

723
00:38:12.000 --> 00:38:14.679
Yeah, thank goodness she didn't happen, because obviously we're gonna

724
00:38:14.679 --> 00:38:19.079
get her in the Undiscovered Country for a more important role. Yeah.

725
00:38:19.320 --> 00:38:21.679
I am crazy about the Klingons or their parts in here.

726
00:38:21.719 --> 00:38:26.599
They are also underused and badly used. I'm glad she

727
00:38:26.719 --> 00:38:28.000
didn't she didn't get that part.

728
00:38:28.320 --> 00:38:31.960
Yeah, I even believe Max von Sideau was favored for

729
00:38:32.039 --> 00:38:33.280
the role of Cybock as well.

730
00:38:33.960 --> 00:38:36.239
I can see him playing it though, I can too, Yes,

731
00:38:36.599 --> 00:38:37.960
I could. I could see that he do a really

732
00:38:38.000 --> 00:38:38.400
good job.

733
00:38:38.760 --> 00:38:43.000
I could see him changing it to say something's gotta

734
00:38:43.599 --> 00:38:48.599
be different about this and this whole ship of scientists

735
00:38:49.280 --> 00:38:53.199
exploring the galaxy, Kirk being the only Star Trek person

736
00:38:53.280 --> 00:38:56.000
in that scene to say, like, wait a second, why

737
00:38:56.039 --> 00:38:59.079
does God need a starship? Like, let's scan some things,

738
00:38:59.159 --> 00:39:03.360
let's ask some questions. Yeah, especially just the fact that

739
00:39:03.719 --> 00:39:07.079
there's there's something called the Great Barrier in Star Trek. Yeah,

740
00:39:07.159 --> 00:39:08.360
well the sidewalk ends here.

741
00:39:08.480 --> 00:39:11.519
We just turned around, can't go any further like that

742
00:39:12.000 --> 00:39:14.679
is probably the most confusing part of the film, this

743
00:39:14.800 --> 00:39:17.719
whole Great Barrier thing. How this is supposed to be

744
00:39:18.000 --> 00:39:20.280
in the center of the galaxy. You know, we saw

745
00:39:20.360 --> 00:39:22.159
that the barrier at the edge of the galaxy in

746
00:39:22.199 --> 00:39:25.000
the original series. How did they get there so fast?

747
00:39:26.880 --> 00:39:28.880
I mean there's no way. I mean, look, how it's

748
00:39:28.880 --> 00:39:31.480
gonna take like eighty years for Voyager just skipped from

749
00:39:31.480 --> 00:39:33.719
the Delta quadrant. I mean they just flew the Enterprise

750
00:39:33.760 --> 00:39:36.199
just flew halfway across the galaxy to the center in

751
00:39:36.320 --> 00:39:40.039
what like, you know, ten minutes, you know, boy? Yeah,

752
00:39:40.159 --> 00:39:42.559
I mean Janeway needs to give her a call and

753
00:39:42.599 --> 00:39:43.480
find out how he did that.

754
00:39:44.199 --> 00:39:47.760
This is an ownership too, so interesting, And that's another

755
00:39:47.800 --> 00:39:49.599
thing that really bothered for me about this film. Okay,

756
00:39:50.199 --> 00:39:53.119
the Enterprise having all of those issues. Come on, Now,

757
00:39:53.320 --> 00:39:56.480
what century are we in? How many starships have they

758
00:39:56.599 --> 00:40:01.480
created at this point? Come on, There's no way the

759
00:40:01.639 --> 00:40:05.320
Enterprise would have that many damn issues. Come on, I

760
00:40:05.400 --> 00:40:08.480
can see one or two, but that much I call

761
00:40:08.559 --> 00:40:09.480
I call bs on that.

762
00:40:10.480 --> 00:40:12.559
I agree, I agree. And you know, Scotty's supposed to

763
00:40:12.559 --> 00:40:15.199
be one of the best engineers and his whole ship

764
00:40:15.320 --> 00:40:18.400
is falling apart. Now where did they get this out

765
00:40:18.440 --> 00:40:20.360
of the garbage dump?

766
00:40:20.440 --> 00:40:20.800
Price?

767
00:40:21.960 --> 00:40:22.960
Not a good sign for.

768
00:40:24.480 --> 00:40:28.559
The beginning of the Enterprise A right, well, and wouldn't

769
00:40:28.559 --> 00:40:32.280
they have like a pre crew, Like don't you put

770
00:40:32.320 --> 00:40:34.679
in like the JV team to kind of run the

771
00:40:34.760 --> 00:40:36.920
ship for a little while? You're right, so the kinks

772
00:40:36.960 --> 00:40:39.320
gat worked out and then you put everybody in like

773
00:40:40.280 --> 00:40:42.159
I don't know it all. It also makes it seem

774
00:40:42.239 --> 00:40:45.559
like there's a shortage of starships because they always have

775
00:40:45.679 --> 00:40:47.199
to call on the Enterprise, right.

776
00:40:47.119 --> 00:40:51.880
Guys, and this this Enterprise, this Enterprise was actually had

777
00:40:51.920 --> 00:40:55.599
a different name. It was another ship before they rebranded

778
00:40:55.639 --> 00:40:57.519
it the Enterprise. So obviously it had to have a

779
00:40:57.559 --> 00:41:00.639
shakedown cruise, probably went on some missions. Maybe I don't

780
00:41:00.639 --> 00:41:02.480
remember the name of the original ship. But but this

781
00:41:02.599 --> 00:41:05.519
isn't like something that just came out of the Utopia Plantia.

782
00:41:05.599 --> 00:41:08.719
This is something that's been working. So you know, I

783
00:41:09.199 --> 00:41:10.960
I'd at least give a call to that captain or

784
00:41:11.000 --> 00:41:12.639
that other crewman fare out, what the hell did they

785
00:41:12.719 --> 00:41:13.639
do that starship?

786
00:41:13.800 --> 00:41:16.119
You know, right, the USS almost price.

787
00:41:16.559 --> 00:41:19.159
Yeah, it looks seems like they got a lemon, right

788
00:41:19.360 --> 00:41:19.679
they did.

789
00:41:20.639 --> 00:41:22.599
That's probably the captain of the writing crop he got.

790
00:41:26.320 --> 00:41:29.840
It's his revenge on Scotty. It's it's his revenge on

791
00:41:29.920 --> 00:41:32.000
Scotty for what he did to the Excelsior in Star

792
00:41:32.079 --> 00:41:32.760
Trek three.

793
00:41:33.800 --> 00:41:35.400
Which, by the way, I want to point out, this

794
00:41:35.599 --> 00:41:38.400
is the last time to serve on the Enterprise.

795
00:41:39.079 --> 00:41:41.639
Oh you're right. Oh interesting. All right, let's take a

796
00:41:41.719 --> 00:41:45.360
second break, catch our thoughts, and then we'll come back

797
00:41:45.440 --> 00:41:50.960
and finish up our talk on Star Trek five. All right,

798
00:41:51.000 --> 00:41:53.280
we're back, and now we're going to take a look

799
00:41:53.320 --> 00:41:55.920
at some film facts, everything about the film that we

800
00:41:56.039 --> 00:42:01.159
found fascinating and at times maybe somewhat humorous. What did

801
00:42:01.239 --> 00:42:02.920
you guys find about the film that you'd like to

802
00:42:02.960 --> 00:42:03.679
bring up to start?

803
00:42:04.440 --> 00:42:06.000
Well, I think we've kind of already mentioned a little

804
00:42:06.000 --> 00:42:07.800
bit that they were using some of the corridors and

805
00:42:07.880 --> 00:42:11.039
sets of Star Trek the Next Generation. I believe Sickbay

806
00:42:11.199 --> 00:42:13.599
was used unaltered in this film. Wasn't it from the

807
00:42:13.679 --> 00:42:16.800
next generation? It was, which I mean it makes sense

808
00:42:16.840 --> 00:42:18.920
to use, right because I mean it's right there. They

809
00:42:18.960 --> 00:42:21.239
had it built for the next generation as it's being filmed,

810
00:42:21.519 --> 00:42:22.440
so I mean, why not.

811
00:42:23.559 --> 00:42:26.280
Yeah, I mean, you know, it's really wasn't a major

812
00:42:26.320 --> 00:42:29.239
part of the film, so right, yeah, it's it didn't

813
00:42:29.519 --> 00:42:31.119
It wouldn't have made sense to have to build a

814
00:42:31.159 --> 00:42:32.400
home news exactly.

815
00:42:33.400 --> 00:42:36.840
I found one interesting thing that's not necessarily production, but

816
00:42:37.000 --> 00:42:43.159
it's merchandizing what you know, almost on NES apparently there

817
00:42:43.360 --> 00:42:46.039
and I didn't know about this. I looked up a

818
00:42:46.119 --> 00:42:49.239
video on YouTube of a playthrough of the prototype. But

819
00:42:49.360 --> 00:42:52.320
they had an NES game made for this based on

820
00:42:52.400 --> 00:42:55.719
this movie, which is basically just a It seems like

821
00:42:55.760 --> 00:42:58.880
a simple side scroller. If you remember the Batman and

822
00:42:59.519 --> 00:43:03.400
Neys Game of eighty nine farce. But it's basically like

823
00:43:03.800 --> 00:43:07.119
a side scroller of Kirk or whoever. It is kind of,

824
00:43:07.239 --> 00:43:11.000
you know, running along various plateaus shooting at things. Apparently

825
00:43:11.039 --> 00:43:14.760
you get to fly the Enterprise a few times, although

826
00:43:14.800 --> 00:43:18.079
it's a nes top gun kind of flying the Enterprise

827
00:43:18.079 --> 00:43:21.119
where there's like up, down, left, right, shoot shoot, So

828
00:43:22.159 --> 00:43:26.480
not really Zulu level piloting skills there. But it is

829
00:43:26.559 --> 00:43:29.480
interesting that they almost had that game but then canceled

830
00:43:29.519 --> 00:43:31.519
it because the movie was not doing well at all.

831
00:43:32.679 --> 00:43:36.000
I would have bought it, of course, to have it

832
00:43:36.119 --> 00:43:42.199
mean all right. Star Trek five was released in June

833
00:43:42.280 --> 00:43:44.800
nineteen eighty nine. Was happened to be the last Star

834
00:43:44.880 --> 00:43:47.000
Trek movie to be released in the summer months until

835
00:43:47.039 --> 00:43:50.559
two thousand and nine Star Trek And Unfortunately. It was

836
00:43:50.599 --> 00:43:54.280
the winner of the nineteen ninety Razzies Awards for Worst Picture,

837
00:43:54.960 --> 00:43:58.239
Worst Actor for William Shatner, and Worst Director for William

838
00:43:58.280 --> 00:44:02.480
Shatner for Game. The film used a lot of stock

839
00:44:02.519 --> 00:44:04.840
footage from the previous films to save money. The shot

840
00:44:04.920 --> 00:44:06.760
of the enterprises spaced off was from the end of

841
00:44:06.800 --> 00:44:09.880
Star Trek four. Many of the shots of the Kling

842
00:44:09.920 --> 00:44:11.639
on Bird of Prey were used for use from Star

843
00:44:11.679 --> 00:44:15.880
Trek three and that star that starfield that was shown

844
00:44:16.039 --> 00:44:18.360
when Kirk was giving his log is actually from the

845
00:44:18.400 --> 00:44:20.960
opening credits of Star Trek to the ret the con

846
00:44:23.000 --> 00:44:25.400
One of the deleted scenes that is available to watch

847
00:44:25.440 --> 00:44:28.280
on the dvdos of Sulu and Chekhoff visiting Mount Rushmore,

848
00:44:29.079 --> 00:44:31.599
which it includes an added face of an African American

849
00:44:31.639 --> 00:44:34.480
woman makes me curious about exactly who that was.

850
00:44:35.000 --> 00:44:36.039
Yeah, not kidding.

851
00:44:36.960 --> 00:44:40.920
Unusually, there is some product placement in this film, and

852
00:44:41.079 --> 00:44:44.320
it's pretty dip ocult to miss. First, you got Kirk

853
00:44:44.320 --> 00:44:51.280
and McCoy are wearing Levi's blue jeans and Kirk, Spock

854
00:44:51.360 --> 00:44:56.320
and McCoy are enjoying Kraft Jet puffed marshmallows or marshmallows.

855
00:44:55.639 --> 00:44:56.559
Around mar mellon Are.

856
00:44:57.920 --> 00:45:00.800
And by the way, in the novel, Kirk knew that

857
00:45:00.960 --> 00:45:03.519
Spock would be using the computer do you research on

858
00:45:03.599 --> 00:45:06.519
the camping, so he actually had the Enterprise's computer text

859
00:45:06.639 --> 00:45:09.719
go in and change all the reference to marsh mellows

860
00:45:09.760 --> 00:45:13.599
as a joke against Spock's. There is some backstory to.

861
00:45:13.679 --> 00:45:17.559
That credit to Spock for bringing along like was it

862
00:45:17.639 --> 00:45:21.039
a handheld replicator? Yeah, it's solid purpose is to squeeze

863
00:45:21.079 --> 00:45:22.800
out one oblong marshmallow.

864
00:45:25.239 --> 00:45:27.480
Near the end of the film, where Spock mentions that

865
00:45:27.559 --> 00:45:31.440
he lost his brother Siebok, Kirk answers, yes, I lost

866
00:45:31.440 --> 00:45:33.840
a brother once and I was lucky to get him back.

867
00:45:34.639 --> 00:45:37.119
While Kirk did lose his brother George back in the

868
00:45:37.159 --> 00:45:42.119
original series episode Operation Annihilate. He's actually referring to Spock here.

869
00:45:42.719 --> 00:45:43.760
Yeah, that was a good moment.

870
00:45:43.920 --> 00:45:49.800
Yeah. Now, Harve Bennett blamed the movie's failure on specifically

871
00:45:50.119 --> 00:45:53.079
Star Trek the Next Generation, which is probably the most

872
00:45:53.159 --> 00:45:54.719
ridiculous thing I've ever heard.

873
00:45:54.880 --> 00:46:02.599
How rude, just because Pulaski was in season to this one,

874
00:46:03.719 --> 00:46:06.960
and luckily it didn't you know, tank the franchise, because

875
00:46:07.000 --> 00:46:09.400
we got season three of Next Generation, one of the

876
00:46:09.480 --> 00:46:10.199
best I think.

877
00:46:10.320 --> 00:46:13.400
Well, all right, that was to come up. But remember,

878
00:46:13.559 --> 00:46:15.639
you know, the fans weren't exactly happy with Star Trek

879
00:46:15.880 --> 00:46:20.239
at the time too, because just before the last image

880
00:46:20.239 --> 00:46:22.360
of Star Trek that the fans had before Star Trek

881
00:46:22.440 --> 00:46:24.239
five was the clip show.

882
00:46:24.920 --> 00:46:29.920
Oh yeah, oh yeah, that's true. That's true. Pull up,

883
00:46:30.039 --> 00:46:31.039
pull up, pull up.

884
00:46:33.639 --> 00:46:35.639
Here's something I want to discuss, which is probably the

885
00:46:35.719 --> 00:46:38.480
most irritating thing that I found in this film, and

886
00:46:38.880 --> 00:46:41.400
it bothers me every time I watch it. In the

887
00:46:42.079 --> 00:46:45.880
Levitation Boots scene where Spock, McCoy and Kirk are flying

888
00:46:45.920 --> 00:46:49.519
up the turboshaft, first of all, the deck numbers are

889
00:46:49.599 --> 00:46:52.840
seen to go higher as they go up, which they

890
00:46:53.039 --> 00:46:55.719
should be going down the other way around, Yes, because

891
00:46:55.719 --> 00:46:59.800
the bridge is on deck one. And in addition, you

892
00:47:00.079 --> 00:47:03.360
see them pass the sign for decks seventy eight on

893
00:47:03.480 --> 00:47:05.719
their way up, and then they also passed deck fifty

894
00:47:05.760 --> 00:47:12.119
two twice. But the Enterprise only has twenty three decks,

895
00:47:12.159 --> 00:47:14.639
So where the hell are they going? What are these numbers?

896
00:47:14.920 --> 00:47:18.519
That drives me insane though, And you know it's not

897
00:47:18.760 --> 00:47:21.880
like it they didn't notice. Production designer Herman Zimmerman, you

898
00:47:21.920 --> 00:47:24.480
know he works on the next He tried to explain

899
00:47:24.559 --> 00:47:28.039
this to Shatner, but Shatner refused to change it. You know,

900
00:47:28.159 --> 00:47:31.840
he wanted to shoot the Soon scene exactly the way

901
00:47:31.920 --> 00:47:33.840
he had it because he was convinced that that shot

902
00:47:34.000 --> 00:47:35.880
was just so damn highly dramatic.

903
00:47:37.039 --> 00:47:39.480
Well, just as I said before, when they ordered the

904
00:47:39.519 --> 00:47:43.079
Klingons from wish dot com, maybe they got the Enterprise through.

905
00:47:44.920 --> 00:47:48.039
I think a lot of the jet boots, Like somebody

906
00:47:48.280 --> 00:47:51.000
was super excited about jet boots, clearly because we had

907
00:47:51.079 --> 00:47:53.840
to keep bringing those back up. Aside from the fact

908
00:47:53.840 --> 00:47:57.760
that I'm not sure how Spock got above them to

909
00:47:58.000 --> 00:48:00.639
get the jet boots in the first place, him becoming

910
00:48:01.480 --> 00:48:02.320
from thee of them.

911
00:48:02.719 --> 00:48:05.519
Oh just great, Now that's something I didn't notice. Now

912
00:48:05.559 --> 00:48:07.360
it's another thing that's going to bother me about that.

913
00:48:08.880 --> 00:48:12.480
Well, and the speak while we're on jet boots. When

914
00:48:12.679 --> 00:48:18.320
Spock catches Kirk from the fall at Yosemite, he's holding

915
00:48:18.440 --> 00:48:23.159
him while leaning sideways with the jet boots. Yeah, but

916
00:48:23.239 --> 00:48:25.599
the jet boots only seem to have up and down propulsion,

917
00:48:25.960 --> 00:48:28.559
So how is he how is he levitating sideways to

918
00:48:28.679 --> 00:48:32.239
hold on Kirk? Just relax and watch the movie.

919
00:48:34.119 --> 00:48:35.320
Yeah, the valid point.

920
00:48:37.599 --> 00:48:42.000
Well, now continuing on, here's a nice little connection. In

921
00:48:42.079 --> 00:48:45.280
the Star Trek Connection Generation episode Evolution, which was the

922
00:48:45.679 --> 00:48:49.880
next episode that would air after this movie, Lieutenant Commander

923
00:48:49.960 --> 00:48:52.599
Data mentions that there has not been a system provides

924
00:48:52.719 --> 00:48:57.480
technological failure on a starship in seventy nine years. That's

925
00:48:57.480 --> 00:49:00.760
a nice little nod back to the Final Frontier. You know,

926
00:49:01.440 --> 00:49:04.000
it's assumed that Data is talking about this and they

927
00:49:04.079 --> 00:49:06.480
have confirmed. The writer has confirmed that, yes, it's a

928
00:49:06.519 --> 00:49:10.199
little connection to Start Trek Final Frontier. That's pretty cool. Yeah,

929
00:49:11.079 --> 00:49:13.920
CBS aired this one this time. They're one and only

930
00:49:14.000 --> 00:49:17.639
Star Trek Movie Network TV premiere. He They aired it

931
00:49:17.719 --> 00:49:20.639
on December third, nineteen ninety one, three days before the

932
00:49:20.679 --> 00:49:25.960
release of Star Trek six. And you mentioned the video game,

933
00:49:26.239 --> 00:49:28.920
which didn't unfortunately come by. But there was a lot

934
00:49:29.000 --> 00:49:30.840
of tie in merchandise to go along with this film,

935
00:49:30.880 --> 00:49:34.000
a lot. Of course, like all the films, there was

936
00:49:34.039 --> 00:49:36.760
a novelization. This time it was written by J. M. Dillard,

937
00:49:37.159 --> 00:49:39.079
who would go on to write all the rest of

938
00:49:39.119 --> 00:49:43.000
the novels for all the remaining Star Trek films. There

939
00:49:43.039 --> 00:49:45.280
was a comic book adaptation from DC Comics, this time

940
00:49:45.360 --> 00:49:48.039
written by Competer David and art by James M. Frye.

941
00:49:48.719 --> 00:49:52.480
Starlog Magazine released an official movie magazine which I'll admit

942
00:49:52.559 --> 00:49:56.679
I owned. AMT brought out a re release of their

943
00:49:56.760 --> 00:50:01.719
USS Enterprise Model Kit, which I'll admit I owned. The

944
00:50:01.800 --> 00:50:05.079
toy maker Galoo which at the time we're making fantastic

945
00:50:05.159 --> 00:50:07.599
Star Trek The Next Generation Action Figures released a set

946
00:50:07.679 --> 00:50:12.280
of five special figures for Star Trek five, including Kirk Spock, McCoy,

947
00:50:12.559 --> 00:50:16.679
Cybalk and Claw. But to my incredible disappointment, there was

948
00:50:16.840 --> 00:50:19.400
no articulation. These were not action figures. There were no

949
00:50:19.440 --> 00:50:21.360
more than just statues of the characters.

950
00:50:21.679 --> 00:50:23.039
Not even like hips and shoulders.

951
00:50:23.440 --> 00:50:25.599
Yep. They just stood there and you were supposed to

952
00:50:25.760 --> 00:50:29.039
look pretty and you were supposed to play with them. Somehow,

953
00:50:29.119 --> 00:50:32.480
I don't know. I was so looking forward to those.

954
00:50:35.880 --> 00:50:37.960
I asked for one look, I said, no, I don't

955
00:50:37.960 --> 00:50:41.079
want this. All right, Bertle Toys released a small die

956
00:50:41.159 --> 00:50:44.679
cast version of the USS Enterprise and the Klingon Bird

957
00:50:44.719 --> 00:50:47.360
of Prey, which was basically just to re release of

958
00:50:47.400 --> 00:50:50.440
their Star Trek three line, and then, believe it or not,

959
00:50:51.280 --> 00:50:55.360
Craft sold replicas of that marshmallow dispenser that spot use

960
00:50:56.159 --> 00:50:59.079
the mail order only. I remember this so clearly, the

961
00:50:59.159 --> 00:51:01.599
summer of nineteen nine. Of course I wanted want I

962
00:51:01.679 --> 00:51:02.320
never did get one.

963
00:51:04.920 --> 00:51:07.079
I just imagine there's must have been so many times

964
00:51:07.800 --> 00:51:11.519
when a Star Trek fan is overjoyed at getting two

965
00:51:11.599 --> 00:51:15.079
marshmallows out of the thing, and then inevitably it gets

966
00:51:15.159 --> 00:51:17.760
gummed up in the works and they're just heartbroken because

967
00:51:17.760 --> 00:51:21.639
they're like, I waited so long yeah, of all.

968
00:51:21.559 --> 00:51:23.159
The things they could have produced, I mean, you've got

969
00:51:23.840 --> 00:51:27.119
phasers and try quarters and all this stuff. I mean,

970
00:51:27.440 --> 00:51:31.239
what kid wants a marshmallow the spencer, but well I did.

971
00:51:31.840 --> 00:51:33.039
I wanted to flying boots.

972
00:51:33.159 --> 00:51:35.960
But side of that, well, it helps you, it helps

973
00:51:35.960 --> 00:51:41.119
you love day sideways. Unfortunately it makes you repeat several decks.

974
00:51:42.280 --> 00:51:45.039
The steering must be a haywire. I don't know. But

975
00:51:45.920 --> 00:51:48.280
one more kind of element that I feel is kind

976
00:51:48.280 --> 00:51:53.320
of a redemption moment is God is redeemed in Next

977
00:51:53.360 --> 00:51:59.280
Generation because George Murdoch I kept forgetting where I recognized

978
00:51:59.320 --> 00:52:02.920
his face. He is Admiral Hanson in Best of both worlds.

979
00:52:03.519 --> 00:52:05.280
Oh, I'm glad you brought that up. I forgot about that.

980
00:52:05.440 --> 00:52:07.880
Aside from being a giant floating ahead with a wig,

981
00:52:09.440 --> 00:52:12.360
George and Murdo got a better role, thank goodness, later

982
00:52:12.440 --> 00:52:13.079
in season three.

983
00:52:13.239 --> 00:52:14.559
So look, we're all better off for it.

984
00:52:15.000 --> 00:52:15.280
We are.

985
00:52:16.239 --> 00:52:18.519
And that concludes our look back at the film Star

986
00:52:18.599 --> 00:52:22.079
Trek five, The Final Frontier. We would like to open

987
00:52:22.159 --> 00:52:24.639
a subspace channel to our listeners and here just what

988
00:52:24.760 --> 00:52:27.239
you thought about this entry into the Star Trek universe.

989
00:52:27.760 --> 00:52:29.880
Your story is of how you saw it first and

990
00:52:30.000 --> 00:52:32.559
your opinions of the film today. Who knows you might

991
00:52:32.599 --> 00:52:35.400
even get mentioned on a future show. Of course, you

992
00:52:35.480 --> 00:52:37.920
can email us at a Film by Podcast at gmail

993
00:52:38.000 --> 00:52:41.360
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994
00:52:41.599 --> 00:52:44.679
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997
00:52:50.559 --> 00:52:54.119
are hidden within. Once again, thank you David and Scott

998
00:52:54.159 --> 00:52:58.119
for joining me and the listeners for another fascinating discussion. Absolutely,

999
00:52:58.480 --> 00:53:00.559
if you haven't already done so, go back and check

1000
00:53:00.599 --> 00:53:02.599
out the podcast reviews for the other films and TV

1001
00:53:02.639 --> 00:53:04.920
shows in the Star Trek universe, and then join us

1002
00:53:04.960 --> 00:53:08.000
again soon where we fire our Photon torpedoes onto Star

1003
00:53:08.079 --> 00:53:12.159
Trek six, the Undiscovered Country. I promise things can only

1004
00:53:12.239 --> 00:53:15.559
get better for Kirk and this crew, and we hope

1005
00:53:15.599 --> 00:53:17.920
that everyone will join us again for that discussion on

1006
00:53:18.000 --> 00:53:21.280
the next episode of Phaser. Set to stun and remember,

1007
00:53:21.639 --> 00:53:30.679
go climb a rock. Plotting your course on this voyage

1008
00:53:30.880 --> 00:53:33.159
is your core Trek crew. I'm Wayne Whited.

1009
00:53:41.599 --> 00:53:42.360
I'll be number two.