April 22, 2025

Phasers Set To Stun: Star Trek VI The Undiscovered Country

Phasers Set To Stun: Star Trek VI The Undiscovered Country
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Season 6Phasers Set To Stun

On "Phasers Set To Stun," we recognize the popularity of all things Star Trek, with a look at television shows, animation, movies, and much more! On this episode, our bridge crew wraps up their coverage of the first six films with a conversation about Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country!

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Space the Final Frontier. Join us for a bold conversation

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our prime directive to recap our favorite Star Trek shows,

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both new and old, to engage and debate about all

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things Trek. Prepare to energize with Phasers Set to Stunt.

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Hello everyone, and welcome back to Phasers Set to Stun,

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where we continue to show our love for everything Star

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Trek in this ongoing series from a film by podcast

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which focuses on every quadrant of the expanding universe of

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Trek by covering television, animation, movies, directors, and so much more.

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Plotting the course, as always is your Core Trek Crew.

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I'm David Burns, I'm Scott Hoffman, and I'm Wayne whited

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Red Alert.

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We are going to be talking about a film that

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has been out for a little while, but still want

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to give that warning out there, so if you've not

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seen this movie, please go watch it and come back.

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To join us. Top PAP, top B to be or not.

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To be to those who don't speak Klingon Picture It, Cincinnati,

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nineteen ninety one. A young boy named David has just

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graduated from high school, moving on to the unforgiving adult world,

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full of hope and excitement, and to make things even better,

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he gets to see Star Trek the Undiscovered Country at

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the end of that year, which to him was and

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still is the best Star Trek for the OG.

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Crew and his opinion, of course.

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Released December sixth, nineteen ninety one, with a budget of

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thirty million dollars and would roll on turn almost ninety

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seven million worldwide. Story by Lunanie Moy, Lawrence Connor, and

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Mark Rosenthal, with a screenplay by Nicholas Meyer and Denny

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Martin Flynn, and.

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Of course directed by Wrath.

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Of con director which is probably why this is so good.

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Nicholas Meyer Wayne take us on a trip into the

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Undiscovered Country and tell our listeners what this film is

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all about.

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After the devastating destruction of the Moon Praxis sends the

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Klingon Empire into chaos, Captain James Kirk and the crew

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of the USS Enterprise are assigned a mission to bring

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the killing on Chancellor Gorkon to Earth to negotiate a

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peace treaty with the United Federation of Planets. En route,

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the Enterprise appears to fire on the Chancellor's vessel and

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Gorkon is killed. In the confusion, Kirk and McCoy are

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arrested for the murder, leaving Spock to figure out who

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is behind the attack and save the negotiations, but there

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are those behind the scenes seeking out to destroy the

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new Alliance before a treaty can even be signed.

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Gentlemen, First thoughts on this film, Wayne, you go first.

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I you know, like you, I remember watching this. I

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love this film, you just like I mean, exactly like

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you said. It's I don't know if I put it

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number one, but it's definitely number two, and it's it's

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fighting against Rapacons as being the best. I'm not really

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sure the film is so well constructed, which I mean

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after the Final Frontier, you know, everything that the Final

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Frontier did wrong on Discovered Country did right. That's the

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best way I could put it. I would agree, Scott,

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what about you?

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Yeah, I would actually eke this out to be my

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number one U Trek film. I know that Rathacon definitely

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has its it's as a contender, but after watching this

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one several times just for this episode, I remember how

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rewatchable this movie is, how consistently exciting it is, and

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how it just subs good subs, good viewings give you

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just more opportunities to dig a little bit deeper into details,

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and it's exactly how this one is designed, right. It's

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got elements of intrigue, mystery, action, suspense. Every crew member,

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I feel it gets a moment to shine in this one.

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So I think it's the perfect send off. Although it

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always makes me kind of pause when I say that

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because of generations, right, but it does feel like the

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perfect ending for the original series arc in their cinematic run.

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It really is.

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And just like you said too, everything you said, this

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is a perfectly paced Star Trek film.

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Perfectly paced.

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You never get bored at all from the beginning when

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you get the explosion of practice, all the way to

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the end of this thing, you are completely glued to

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that screen.

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You know, if you told me.

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That I was gonna go see a movie that involved

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some war, some corruption, politics.

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I'd be like, I don't know if I want to

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see that or not.

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But this movie has it all because, like you said, Scott,

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it's got everything wrapped up and imperfectly put in here

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from beginning to end.

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I really did.

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It was a struggle for me for a while to

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put this one ahead of Wrath of Khan because the

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rest of Kahn's Got the Death of Spock, And I

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think that's what a lot of people, you know, hold

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on to because that was just so powerful. But when

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you really put the two movies together, this one just

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has so much goodness going for it, right, I mean, it.

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Just written so well.

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And I know we're about ready to talk about the cast,

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but you know, I'm gonna go ahead and let the

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cat out of the back on this one.

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Christopher Plumber was phenomenal.

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Yeah, he steals the show. He does consistently.

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Yeah, best performer in my opinion, in this entire movie.

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You know when he when he's giving on the trial

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of McCoy and Kirk, I think that's some of his

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best performers right there. That that whole sequence. I mean,

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I was just glued to the screen listening to every

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word coming out of his mouth. And I've seen this

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movie countless times, but I'm still listening to everything he's

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saying because that scene in itself is put together so well.

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I agree because a lot of people say that Con

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is the perfect adversary for Kirk. But I really think

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it's changed. I really do. They're they're more of an equal,

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more of you know, the opposite side of the coin

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than than than Kahn is to Kirk I think he's phenomenal.

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Yeah, well it doesn't you know. I'm thinking about when

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you describe, you know, the moment that you go to

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see it in the theater. I remember when practice exploded

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in the theater. It hit you like a hammer. Yeah,

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and I did not let up, but I had the

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appropriate amount of pacing to go through. I think, Wayne,

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you know, thanks to you again, the idea of the

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trilogy that got started with Wrath of Khan hits even

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harder with this one. No keeping that in mind, you know,

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knowing how much this does have to do with the

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loss of kirkse and how much that still reverberates with

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him now as kind of an ambassador role, Right, how

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do I move forward with this and not let my

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own personal beliefs and biases get in the way of

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what has to happen. I love seeing the next generation DNA. Yes,

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in this one. It is a reminder of how great

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a time that was for so many intellectual properties. But

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you can see the advancements of next generation where it

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kind of informs where they had to kind of plus

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things up, especially from where we just were with Final Frontier,

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big difference, Yeah, and I was. I was so happy

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to see the David Warner redemption with this one. One

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of my favorites. And I don't know how it lines

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up with about Me in the animated series, but it

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is very hard not to see this as racial Ghoul

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the klingon his voice when he introduces his daughter, like

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he almost says, I know, he almost says.

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It's weird because he has less to do in this

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film than it didn't start Trek five. But he has

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more of an impact in this filmancause that useless character

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from Star Trek five. It's great.

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Yeah, A little bit of time he had on screen

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here was so powerful and so impactful to the entire story.

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And I don't know how many minutes he was on screen,

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but it was not a lot.

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No, Well, I mean he makes a tremendous impact just

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his presence when they beam onto the platform and his

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cane is the fang of something yea a targ I

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guess I don't know, like and.

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Yes, it's bad ass. Yeah.

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The costume work is phenomenal for the Yes.

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Absolutely, I feel like when they were creating this one,

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they realized the misstep they had with the Final Frontier,

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and they're like, man, we come back with this one.

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We got to come back big, We gotta come back

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swinging for the home.

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Run wall and they did. They hit it.

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They hit it good.

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Yeah, Well they're benefiting also from the next generation and

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just the fact that you know, this is the first

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film that is we've had the Klingons have been really

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established further back than what we've because before in the

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other films, we really don't know too much about the

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Klingons other than you know, they're all wearing the same

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outfits and stuff. But the next generation really took that

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that race and flourished them and show there, you know,

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a whole culture, different types, different different Klingons, and this

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film really shows that it benefits big time for the

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next generation.

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Absolutely.

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You know, everybody of the original crew did a fantastic

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job in this and Scott you even pointed out that

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everybody seemed to have enough going on and enough to

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do in this film that it felt comfortable, It felt

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natural that we had everybody doing something going on. You know,

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even still losing on the Enterprise, he's on the Accessor,

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but he still did a phenomenal job enough that we

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loved him being in this and what he accomplished to

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help the Enterprise on their mission here. Although that was fantastic.

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Of course, we have Kim Cottrell who joins us as

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a Lieutenant Valerius. I think we talked about this before

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that they had mentioned that they were going to try

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to bring back a savoc in some kind of role,

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and I believe a rumor was out there that it

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was going to be this role, and I think Kim

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Cottrell even had that impression that she was going to

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take on the role, which is why at first she

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didn't want it, but when she found out it was

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a new character, she's, oh, yeah, absolutely, And thank god

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Savig did not come back, because if that was Savag's.

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Character, I would have been really pissed.

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Savag a trader now now, Yeah, that would have been horrible.

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That would have destroyed that character. Yep, I agree.

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Yeah, I think the audience would have been way too conflicted,

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absolutely with it, and it would have felt like kind

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of odd backstory. I think it's richer that we know

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that there's a relationship between her and Spock as her

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sponsor in the Academy. M and him having followed her career.

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It gives more depth and breadth to his connection to

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other Falcans.

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Yeah, and I thought Kim was fantastic in this, from

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from you know when you first meet her to al

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way to when you find out who she really is.

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Her performance and we'll get to a little when we

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talk about the film, but that scene between her and

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Spock on the bridge when he mind melds that was

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just phenomenal.

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But we'll we'll get to that.

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Yeah, I would say I'll wait for it, but I

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would say that her delivery and her performance for each

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one of those is pitch perfect. Yes, like I'm trying

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to think of anything was off, but just yeah, she

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delivers so many amazing lines and has She does such

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a substantial.

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Role in this, it's great.

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Yep.

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Absolutely, Mark Leonard coming back to Sarah. He's not in

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it very much, but it's nice to see him back.

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I believe this was his last time playing Sarah, is

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it not.

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I can't what was in the next.

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had the arc with Picard after this, right.

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But his appearances, Let's see, he appeared in Sarah, which

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was before this, and he appeared in when his character

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died in Unification. That's right, I believe that. I believe

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that aired just before this movie came out, So this

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technically is his last performance.

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Yeah, yeah, so in that neighborhood it was his last performance.

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So not much of a role in this one, but

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it was still nice to see him, you know, on screen.

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I'll tell you.

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Also, who was nice to see was Grace Lee Whitney

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and getting her to have a little bit.

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Of some dialogue on the Excelsior. I love that.

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Thank you for giving somebody else from the original crew,

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you know, a shot at this. You know, I know

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she's not a big character, but you know, she had

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a lot to do with the original star Trek, so

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it was nice to see that.

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It was really good.

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Brock Peters as Admiral Cartwright in this Wayne, I know

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we see him later on in Deep Space nine, that's right, Yeah,

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big place, Yeah, a big part. I think he plays

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Cisco's father, does he not, that's right, yeah, yeah, Joseph Cisco.

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So it's nice to see him. Another actor that I

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always laugh when I se him now because I'm so

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used to him from that seventies show. Kurtwood Smith playing

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the Federation president. You know, every every time I see

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him on screen in this movie, I kept hearing his

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line when my time comes, I want to be buried

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face down that way. Whoever doesn't like me, Mike can

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kiss my ass.

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I still I have a hard time separating him from RoboCop.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's true.

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It's it's hard to see him through the you know

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what were where were we used to seeing him and

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seeing him through the makeup.

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But great performance, and he would return to for two

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episodes of Voyager as well. You have a different character.

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Though, Yeah, absolutely. I love how they keep the in

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house going on. You know, you do such a good job.

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Let's bring you back for another character.

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Who could you know? Keep it rolling for sure? So

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we were in.

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We already mentioned Christopher Plumber and David Warner, both of

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them fantasticness. John Shook as a Klingon ambassador. He's been

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in a lot of Star Trek too, two Star Trek films,

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I know this one in a Voyage Home and then

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he did some television for Star Trek. So you know,

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more people who are just popping up all over the

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place for Star Trek. Of course, we get a nice

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little surprise Christian Slater popping up on us on excess there.

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I remember when I first saw this in theater when

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the door popped open and then you you know, you

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get a little bit of silhouette with it, but you

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hear his voice. And then when he showed him, like, well,

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Christian Slater in the Star Trek what.

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So that was? That was kind of a nice surprise.

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You do know why he's in the film, don't you?

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Because of his mother being the casting directory.

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Yes, that's correct, yep.

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Yep, it's funny.

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Wayne Jeff and I had did the Name of the

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Rose and she was also the casting.

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Director for that film.

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And Christian said, of course had a much bigger role

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in that film, you just in this one. But still

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kind of funny for everyone who knows the next generation.

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Michael Dorn makes a wonderful appearance in this as the

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Klingon defense attorney for Kirk and McCoy apparently is the

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he's playing the grandfather of his character Wharf.

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Yeah. From my understanding, yeah.

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That's pretty cool.

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I mean, as soon as you hear him, you're like, oh,

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that's Michael dor You cannot miss that.

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Voice and his presence.

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Yes, and his presence. For sure.

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Wayne's buddy Tom Morga is in this film, of course,

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that's correct. Yeah, and for those who want to hear

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a funny story about him, please go catch our con

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Men three about Tom Morgan and Wayne because it is

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absolutely hysterical.

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Although you might have to wait in the line, but anyway.

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But you might. That's right.

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And then Wayne, you and I William Morgan, Shepherd Klingon

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Commander prison of the prison there, Major Trimble and Gettysburg.

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I know that's where he's from.

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He's got a lot of other stuff obviously, but I

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know him clean, doctor who of course, of.

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Course, of course, so I think there's a there's another

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member of the Klingon cast Rosanna de Soto as a

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I've got to pronounce like David what it does. Does

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an amazing job as the subsequent chancellor in this one.

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The entire time I was like, she's in and she's

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got to be in on it, but she's she's not.

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Then just tandeles it expertly.

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Yeah, she's innocent. I mean, I mean again, a great script.

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They have us fullard. We don't know what's going on, right,

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A loud twist and turns yep. Absolutely.

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Let me bring it up to on the next generation.

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It stated that females are not allowed to be Chancellor.

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I think some writer for got to watch Star Trek,

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Star Trek six Discovery Country.

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Shame on them. Do their homework.

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All right, guys, Well, let's let's take a break and

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when we come back we will start talking about this

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film and breaking it down.

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We'll be right back. Welcome back, everybody where.

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We are here at Phasers at the stune, Scott, Wayne

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and I are discussing Star Trek six The Undiscovered Country.

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All right, guys, let's talk about this film because there

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is so much stuff that we could talk about. We

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could probably be here for a couple hours talking about

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this film. I liked that they dedicated to Geane Runberry

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because he passed away. What just not too long after

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this one was complete?

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Right, Yeah, it was months before. I'm trying to remember exactly.

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I think it was during the summer.

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I know he got to see it as a complete film,

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but I think he passed away. I think a few

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days after he got to see it as a complete film.

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He hadn't been released in theaters yet, but he got

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to see it at least so at least you know,

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hopefully he liked it.

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That's all I got to say.

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I didn't he I heard I read this story. He

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gave them the thumbs up after he washed it, walked

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out of the theater, and then called his lawyer and

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told them to immediately get a hold of Paramount because

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he didn't like the fact that there was a lot

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of conflict, lots of political conflict and a lot of

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trade you know, the whole behind the scenes stuff with

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with people trying to undermine the the the treaty. He

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didn't like very much. But then he passed away before

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they anything could happen, So his lawyers just kind of,

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you know, forgot about it. Let it, let it slide.

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Yeah, because it's a good film, that's why they let slide. Yeah, yeah,

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let it go.

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I knew he was wrong, Yeah.

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Yeah, no kidding.

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But I mean, this movie opens up with a huge bang,

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as we already know, literally literally, uh practice Practice explodes

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klingon Moon. Of course, the USS Excelsior is very very

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close to that, so they take a little bit of

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a beating.

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Because of that. But I mean it's a good way

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to start this film.

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It really pulls you in immediately to what's going on,

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and then they quickly obviously go to that meeting with

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everybody that are pulling the Kirk and all.

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Of them in. I love the fact that when Kirk

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arise at.

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Work spot, well the hell spot, and then of course

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he shows up, they run the meeting.

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Yeah.

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I think there's some inter use of helmsman in this one. Obviously,

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you know, Sulu has that expert control of the you know,

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turning into the wave when it hits Praxis. But the

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casting of Valerius in the helmsman position I think is

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also kind of interesting because Valarius is in on it

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and has to be able to keep her ship running

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with the club's bird of prey beneath it, or if

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it had been another helmsman, I think there may have been.

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I don't know.

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I think Suliy probably would have noticed that something was off.

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And yeah, then they go right into that amazing I

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don't know what you call it, kind of assembly.

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Conference, media assembly whatever.

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Yeah, Yeah, a great scene it is, Yeah, yeah.

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Great dynamics between Kirkin's back and.

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It goes back to kind of what you were talking

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about earlier, Scott, about going back and revisiting some of

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the stuff that happened with him son here. He hates

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to cling Kirk does. He absolutely hates them, and he's

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not hiding it here. I mean the fact when Cartwright

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even talks about, you know, we should not be doing this,

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you know, let's let's bring them to their knees and

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then then we can do something about it. It's hard

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to imagine that Kirk agrees with him here, but he does.

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I mean for a good reason.

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I mean for what happened with him. You know.

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I love that dialogue between him and Spock when they're

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confronting one another and Kirk was like, don't believe them,

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don't trust them, and you know, Spock is like, Jim,

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they are dying, let them die.

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I thought that was just whoa Kirk.

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I mean, you've got really seen that from him in

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these movies like that. Yeah, but it makes sense.

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Yeah, it does make sense because really you have to understand,

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you know, I see where Kirk is coming from. If

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you look at his history with the Klingons, it's not

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been a very good history. I mean not just the

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death of his son, which is probably the worst thing,

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but all the way back to the original series. He

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has not had very good encounters with Klingons whatsoever, so

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I can see where his prejudice comes from, you know,

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And I just think that's the whole point of the

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film though they wrote it. You know, there's two sides

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of it, and you can see both sides where there

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cooming but you have to overcome.

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That and he does, yeah, which is which is a

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good arc for his character in this film. It is,

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and it's what it's needed because everything he goes through

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and he gets to the point that he does towards

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the end of this film, it really makes you feel

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more for Kirk in this film.

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So it makes sense.

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I guess that something I found that seems interesting and

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I don't know how much vletity. I'll do the wage

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test on it.

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But there was a.

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Moment in the novelization or a scene that they had

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cut out where Carol Markus dies very soon before this,

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some kind of an attack on a station or something

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like that that involves the Klegons, and uh, sounds familiar.

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She's killed.

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It's been a long time since I read that novel

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with thirty some years, but that sounds familiar. I think

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that was in there.

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Yeah, So in the Italian novel, one of the people

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that's attacked near the Federation kling On Neutrizone border is

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doctor Marcus, so he finds out about the attack, goes

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to see her in the ICU and is with her

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when she dies, and it apparently leads right up to

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this movie. So with that kind of subplot in mind,

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it makes more sense why he's well, he has more

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of these emotions kind of stirred up. And anybody who

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only has exposure to the Kirk and cling On relationship

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in the cinematic universe obviously understands it because in Search

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for Spock the obvious tension. But then what we had

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with the Final Frontier that we've just watched, Right, They're

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always kind of cast in that villainous role, but at

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a very interesting time when Next Generation is giving them

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more depth with with Wharf and all the other kind

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of insights into the Klingon Empire. They're not just villains.

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There's a lot more than that.

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Yeah, right.

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I like the touch too that they did here when

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the Enterprise is leaving Doc. It's kind of a callback

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to Savig remember when Yeah, they were taking it out

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about the quarter impulse power and then of course she's

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like kind of questioning Kirk, and everybody's like looking like,

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are we doing this again?

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Here we go again.

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I dork moment. Every time I leave the Mike arage,

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when I'm backing out of it, that line goes in

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my head, like take it easy, take it easy, take

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it easy.

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Yeah. No, it does a nice touch.

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And I'm sure that was a Nicholas Meyer thing, you know,

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since he did the Wrath of Khan, so I like

480
00:23:48.160 --> 00:23:51.200
that it was a nice touch for this for sure.

481
00:23:52.400 --> 00:23:56.559
So let's talk about the meeting of the Klingons and

482
00:23:56.599 --> 00:24:00.880
bringing them over to the Enterprise. That whole sequence I

483
00:24:00.880 --> 00:24:03.880
thought was really well done because you can feel the

484
00:24:03.960 --> 00:24:07.559
tension in the air between everybody, and even when you

485
00:24:07.599 --> 00:24:09.480
get to the end of that scene and the Klingons

486
00:24:09.599 --> 00:24:13.279
like obviously are transporting back to their ship and everybody

487
00:24:13.319 --> 00:24:15.720
just goes like, oh my god, thank god it's over.

488
00:24:17.160 --> 00:24:17.519
Bones.

489
00:24:19.000 --> 00:24:20.200
Yes, but what's.

490
00:24:20.000 --> 00:24:23.720
Funny is Kirk didn't even wait. They hadn't even been yet,

491
00:24:23.720 --> 00:24:25.720
and Kirk is like palming his face.

492
00:24:27.200 --> 00:24:28.480
Before even beamed away.

493
00:24:28.920 --> 00:24:31.720
And you can see Chang watching that too. Yes, he's

494
00:24:32.119 --> 00:24:32.880
studying him.

495
00:24:33.319 --> 00:24:37.519
But that first introduction between Chang and Kirk was just

496
00:24:37.960 --> 00:24:41.880
tension building, man, I mean, just getting in his face

497
00:24:42.000 --> 00:24:45.599
like that, and you know that was tough, especially for

498
00:24:45.640 --> 00:24:47.880
what Kirk has been through and just having to hold

499
00:24:47.960 --> 00:24:50.640
back because i mean, the mission that they're on, they

500
00:24:50.680 --> 00:24:52.960
have to do their job, so he can't. You know,

501
00:24:53.000 --> 00:24:55.400
he has to bite his tongue basically right here and

502
00:24:55.440 --> 00:24:56.799
what what a captain would do.

503
00:24:58.240 --> 00:25:01.200
That was a really powerful scene. Yeah.

504
00:25:01.240 --> 00:25:03.359
I think that's my one of my favorite parts of

505
00:25:03.359 --> 00:25:06.519
the film, from their transporting on to the point where

506
00:25:06.519 --> 00:25:09.799
they transport off and the dinner. It is so awkward

507
00:25:10.440 --> 00:25:13.039
for everyone in that room, and and the way the

508
00:25:13.079 --> 00:25:16.200
actors play it, it's it's great. It's what. It's beautifully directed,

509
00:25:16.440 --> 00:25:19.559
it wonderfully acted. You know, it's just it's just an

510
00:25:19.559 --> 00:25:22.720
incredibly awkward but you understand why. You know, you got

511
00:25:22.759 --> 00:25:26.000
two bad, two people who hate one another trying to

512
00:25:26.039 --> 00:25:29.720
sit down and be nice to each other. It's it's

513
00:25:29.880 --> 00:25:32.839
it's funny, but it's also rather scary at the same time.

514
00:25:33.240 --> 00:25:36.720
Yeah, and and Chang of course, you know, using obviously

515
00:25:36.799 --> 00:25:39.359
some Shakespeare stuff here and you know, trying to use

516
00:25:39.440 --> 00:25:42.160
quotes and stuff against Kirk, and when Kurk says we

517
00:25:42.200 --> 00:25:44.799
need when he says, we need breaming room Earth Hitler,

518
00:25:44.880 --> 00:25:45.720
nineteen thirty eight.

519
00:25:46.319 --> 00:25:51.480
Yeah, the look on spucks what There are so many

520
00:25:51.519 --> 00:25:53.720
looks from Spock like he's the he's the mom that

521
00:25:53.720 --> 00:25:55.599
would kick you under the table and raise their eyebrow

522
00:25:55.880 --> 00:25:58.039
right and say like do your mind.

523
00:25:58.359 --> 00:26:02.559
Yeah, I love that. In that first transporter scene when

524
00:26:02.559 --> 00:26:07.160
they transport over, there's that brief moment where everybody leaves,

525
00:26:07.200 --> 00:26:10.359
and I think it's the assassins. We ultimately learned that

526
00:26:10.480 --> 00:26:13.720
have those comments about the smell and whatnot. The way

527
00:26:13.759 --> 00:26:18.319
that that scene turns for you after you know Vlarius's role,

528
00:26:18.960 --> 00:26:21.759
because at first it seems like she's standing there like

529
00:26:21.799 --> 00:26:24.279
you guys didn't know I was here. I'm still keeping

530
00:26:24.400 --> 00:26:28.960
order here. I'm the successor to Spock. So you're gonna

531
00:26:29.000 --> 00:26:32.359
straighten up and fly right, go do your jobs. Now

532
00:26:32.400 --> 00:26:35.839
you kind of learned that she's like, okay, assassins, go

533
00:26:35.960 --> 00:26:38.880
get your boots, go get your suits, let's get to it.

534
00:26:38.960 --> 00:26:40.960
And it's just so sinister.

535
00:26:40.920 --> 00:26:43.160
It is, and again, it's written so well that it

536
00:26:43.240 --> 00:26:45.640
just goes over your head right there. You don't even

537
00:26:45.680 --> 00:26:47.400
think about it or put it together, because you're right,

538
00:26:47.440 --> 00:26:49.960
you think she's just doing her job, you know, and

539
00:26:50.000 --> 00:26:52.359
you just tell them, look, you know, calm down, stop

540
00:26:52.400 --> 00:26:55.000
talking like that, and get out of here, basically, but no,

541
00:26:55.880 --> 00:26:57.759
since those three were in on it, and then you're

542
00:26:57.759 --> 00:26:59.359
really then you go back and realize, oh.

543
00:26:59.359 --> 00:27:02.519
Crap, right, and she's the one that suggests the romula

544
00:27:02.599 --> 00:27:06.759
nail mm hmm during dinner, and it's like, yeah, wow, okay.

545
00:27:08.400 --> 00:27:11.240
Speaking of the dinner too, I read a little funny

546
00:27:11.279 --> 00:27:14.720
story about that that that food that you're seeing, it's

547
00:27:14.759 --> 00:27:18.920
actually a squid that's been dyed with the blue coloring,

548
00:27:19.480 --> 00:27:22.559
and they wanted the mayor wanted him to eat it,

549
00:27:22.839 --> 00:27:25.640
and he told any of them that he'd give him

550
00:27:25.640 --> 00:27:28.240
each twenty dollars whoever would take a bite of it.

551
00:27:29.200 --> 00:27:31.680
Shatner got two hundred and forty bucks out of that

552
00:27:32.039 --> 00:27:33.680
before he threw up, Oh.

553
00:27:34.079 --> 00:27:40.880
Well, oh yeah, no things, no, nope, nope, nope, And

554
00:27:40.960 --> 00:27:43.119
I think it wasn't even some of the Klingons, the

555
00:27:43.160 --> 00:27:46.240
actors who are playing the Klingons didn't want to eat.

556
00:27:47.200 --> 00:27:49.279
For that's part of it. But the other part was too.

557
00:27:49.319 --> 00:27:51.640
If they were caught on camera eating that, they if

558
00:27:51.640 --> 00:27:53.839
they changed the angle, they have to be eating it again.

559
00:27:54.400 --> 00:27:57.039
Because the continuity going yeah.

560
00:27:57.079 --> 00:27:59.880
So yeah, they chose wisely not to bite it into

561
00:27:59.880 --> 00:28:02.039
the blue squid there, although I'm sure whoever is in

562
00:28:02.119 --> 00:28:04.559
charge of squid dying was like, I did all this work.

563
00:28:04.400 --> 00:28:08.440
Okay, I no, right, whatever, Fine, go to.

564
00:28:08.519 --> 00:28:10.079
Use alfalfa sprouts, but sure.

565
00:28:10.519 --> 00:28:10.839
Yeah.

566
00:28:11.880 --> 00:28:14.720
But then, as this movie does so well, because it's

567
00:28:14.720 --> 00:28:18.119
put together extremely well, you get all this done, the

568
00:28:18.160 --> 00:28:20.559
Klingons go back to their ship and you know, everybody's like,

569
00:28:20.559 --> 00:28:22.559
oh my god, I'm done, let's go to bed. We've

570
00:28:22.599 --> 00:28:25.880
had romulan al. Everybody's worn out. But you don't get

571
00:28:25.880 --> 00:28:29.680
time to breathe as an audience because you're pulled right

572
00:28:29.680 --> 00:28:33.079
back into this. And then when that first photon torpedo

573
00:28:33.160 --> 00:28:37.079
gets launched, you're like, what the hell is going on

574
00:28:37.240 --> 00:28:39.960
because you don't know when you first see this film

575
00:28:40.119 --> 00:28:43.240
what's happening. And then the second one goes and it's

576
00:28:43.319 --> 00:28:46.559
chaos happens. One of the scenes that I think is

577
00:28:46.599 --> 00:28:50.119
so done is done so well here is when that

578
00:28:50.160 --> 00:28:52.920
first torpedo goes off. Everybody just kind of like turns

579
00:28:52.920 --> 00:28:55.440
and looks at the screen. Everyone's kind of like frozen

580
00:28:55.480 --> 00:28:58.720
and spot watching this, just not believing what they're seeing.

581
00:28:59.319 --> 00:29:03.720
And then instantly, the tension air just goes chaos. Your ups,

582
00:29:04.279 --> 00:29:06.799
the alarms are going off on the ship. Everybody's racing

583
00:29:06.839 --> 00:29:09.640
back to their their place on the bridge and freaking out.

584
00:29:09.839 --> 00:29:11.839
I love that scene. It was done so well.

585
00:29:12.400 --> 00:29:14.880
Yeah, that's really done. That's second of you know what

586
00:29:14.920 --> 00:29:17.839
the hell's going on? I love that it's because that's

587
00:29:17.839 --> 00:29:19.799
exactly what the audience is thinking, you know what is

588
00:29:19.839 --> 00:29:21.000
going on? What just happened?

589
00:29:21.519 --> 00:29:23.519
Well, and everybody responds in the right way to say,

590
00:29:23.599 --> 00:29:26.680
like check the records, check the inventory, physically, check in

591
00:29:26.799 --> 00:29:28.519
did we fire? How did this happen?

592
00:29:29.000 --> 00:29:29.519
Yeah.

593
00:29:30.559 --> 00:29:34.920
It's also interesting when you think about the long night

594
00:29:35.799 --> 00:29:38.640
that this crew is going through, Like they had dinner

595
00:29:38.680 --> 00:29:42.319
at what seven point thirty, and I guess it's like

596
00:29:42.359 --> 00:29:45.160
wee hours of the morning when when he gets called

597
00:29:45.200 --> 00:29:49.440
to the bridge to learn about the neutrino surge, and

598
00:29:49.480 --> 00:29:52.200
then quickly after that has to go to the ship

599
00:29:52.319 --> 00:29:55.839
to save Gorgon and then is arrested and they quickly

600
00:29:55.920 --> 00:29:57.680
kind of swoop into the trial. I don't know how

601
00:29:57.759 --> 00:30:00.480
much time passes, obviously probably has to be a limit

602
00:30:00.559 --> 00:30:02.680
of time, but they didn't even change clothes.

603
00:30:03.359 --> 00:30:04.079
They didn't have time.

604
00:30:04.519 --> 00:30:06.920
Yeah, I mean you have to think Kirk and McCoy

605
00:30:06.960 --> 00:30:09.759
are literally in the same closes this entire thing after

606
00:30:09.759 --> 00:30:12.200
they were put through, you know, because they what can

607
00:30:12.240 --> 00:30:13.720
they do, right, you know?

608
00:30:13.839 --> 00:30:16.119
And and that subtle little move where Spock puts the

609
00:30:16.559 --> 00:30:20.720
tracer on Jim's shoulder, Yeah, it took me a long

610
00:30:20.799 --> 00:30:23.319
time to realize, like, oh yeah, that's when he slipped

611
00:30:23.319 --> 00:30:24.880
it on. And then you can see it when he's

612
00:30:24.880 --> 00:30:28.279
getting under the lift. McCoy would have like.

613
00:30:28.200 --> 00:30:33.000
Picked that off's noticed that? Really? Come on, it sticks

614
00:30:33.000 --> 00:30:35.960
out like a sword throum, there sre thumb come on, yep, yep.

615
00:30:36.480 --> 00:30:38.000
One another thing I'm gonna call out right here for

616
00:30:38.000 --> 00:30:41.200
that entire sequence is the score here was phenomenon.

617
00:30:41.880 --> 00:30:42.440
Yeah.

618
00:30:42.519 --> 00:30:44.880
You know, I know it's not Goldsmith or it's not Horner,

619
00:30:44.920 --> 00:30:47.079
but I think the score right here was absolutely, very

620
00:30:47.200 --> 00:30:50.079
very well done and paid perfectly. The whole score is

621
00:30:50.079 --> 00:30:52.559
absolutely and we'll get to that a little bit later,

622
00:30:52.599 --> 00:30:54.839
but yeah, I just thought it was phenomenal right here

623
00:30:54.839 --> 00:30:56.319
in the spot, which it needed to be because of

624
00:30:56.359 --> 00:30:59.920
what was going on. Another thing that I really liked,

625
00:31:00.359 --> 00:31:02.839
when you know, the Klingon ship is coming around and

626
00:31:02.880 --> 00:31:05.680
you look like they're about ready to attack, and Kirk

627
00:31:05.720 --> 00:31:08.319
immediately says, we surrender in a horror looks like captain

628
00:31:08.880 --> 00:31:11.480
and surrender like you know, because of course you do,

629
00:31:11.519 --> 00:31:14.720
because I mean, what's going on? If you fire again

630
00:31:14.839 --> 00:31:16.680
or you put up your shields, it's over.

631
00:31:17.440 --> 00:31:19.440
Yeah, well it's a line you never think you would

632
00:31:19.480 --> 00:31:23.400
hear Kirk say yeah, and it's absolutely the right call

633
00:31:23.440 --> 00:31:25.799
to make. And he's like, no, we need to shut down,

634
00:31:25.880 --> 00:31:31.200
stand down and lean into diplomacy. So very different Kirk here.

635
00:31:31.440 --> 00:31:33.000
Yeah, I like that.

636
00:31:33.079 --> 00:31:35.720
Kirk and McCoy did go over and try to, you know,

637
00:31:35.839 --> 00:31:38.319
fix things. But obviously, you know, McCoy did his best.

638
00:31:38.319 --> 00:31:41.880
But then the Klingons obviously didn't see it that way. Yeah, yeah,

639
00:31:42.000 --> 00:31:42.640
you know, I mean.

640
00:31:42.480 --> 00:31:44.359
They knew no.

641
00:31:44.440 --> 00:31:47.079
I was said, McCoy gets a chance to shine there

642
00:31:47.119 --> 00:31:50.160
as a physician, you know, the lengths that he goes to,

643
00:31:50.519 --> 00:31:52.920
uh to try to save him, and him panicking to

644
00:31:52.920 --> 00:31:55.359
say like, I don't even know his anatomy. I don't

645
00:31:55.400 --> 00:31:58.400
know how to how to fix him. I wonder how

646
00:31:58.480 --> 00:32:01.680
much the assassins did yeah know about clean anatomy, Like

647
00:32:01.720 --> 00:32:05.200
did they know exactly where to shoot them? Not knowing

648
00:32:05.240 --> 00:32:07.319
you know, where the heart's located. Things like that, but

649
00:32:07.440 --> 00:32:10.319
it was. It was a fatal shot to gork on.

650
00:32:10.400 --> 00:32:13.000
Everybody else there was like you know, arms lopped off

651
00:32:13.000 --> 00:32:17.359
and whatnot. So obviously injuries and fatalities, but there are.

652
00:32:17.279 --> 00:32:18.880
A lot of purple blood flying around.

653
00:32:19.119 --> 00:32:22.200
There wasn't, which was a smart call behind the scenes

654
00:32:22.200 --> 00:32:24.920
to not make it red blood so they could avoid

655
00:32:25.480 --> 00:32:26.240
our reading.

656
00:32:26.240 --> 00:32:29.839
M hm, yeah, it's And then to go on with

657
00:32:30.039 --> 00:32:31.359
the trial. I know we touched a little bit on

658
00:32:31.359 --> 00:32:34.839
that already. The whole trial sequence is my favorite part

659
00:32:34.880 --> 00:32:38.359
of this film because it's just put together so well.

660
00:32:38.920 --> 00:32:42.160
You have the same fear that Kirk McCoy has in

661
00:32:42.200 --> 00:32:44.960
this scene because they're away from the Federation.

662
00:32:45.559 --> 00:32:48.000
No one can rescue them. Now they know they're screwed.

663
00:32:48.119 --> 00:32:51.440
It's over, and you know they're with You know they

664
00:32:51.440 --> 00:32:54.119
have their devices up, that their their ears listening in.

665
00:32:54.200 --> 00:32:58.119
You know that the translators of what's being said, and

666
00:32:58.160 --> 00:33:00.200
you know, even if you do get a good trial,

667
00:33:00.240 --> 00:33:02.319
you're not going to get what you're supposed to get.

668
00:33:02.440 --> 00:33:04.160
Going up to get a kleingons like this, I think,

669
00:33:04.160 --> 00:33:06.000
come on, and they know who you are, they know

670
00:33:06.079 --> 00:33:06.680
what you've done.

671
00:33:07.640 --> 00:33:08.160
You're cooked.

672
00:33:08.359 --> 00:33:13.839
It's over granted, obviously they didn't get sentence of death obviously,

673
00:33:14.599 --> 00:33:18.319
but they got sent to Aurora Penthe, which is obviously

674
00:33:18.559 --> 00:33:22.319
a prison a mine for the Klingons that it's pretty

675
00:33:22.400 --> 00:33:24.920
much over if you get go there. But yeah, the

676
00:33:24.920 --> 00:33:27.119
whole sequence that I just thought was phenomenal, I really do.

677
00:33:27.799 --> 00:33:27.960
Well.

678
00:33:28.000 --> 00:33:31.200
The trial is the the opposite of what's exactly the

679
00:33:31.240 --> 00:33:34.079
same as what was happening earlier. You know, Kirk He

680
00:33:34.160 --> 00:33:36.200
has hatred George of the Klingons. Well, the Klingons have

681
00:33:36.279 --> 00:33:39.000
hatred George Kirk in the Federation, and it's just showing

682
00:33:39.000 --> 00:33:41.519
the other side of the coin, the other direction, and

683
00:33:41.559 --> 00:33:44.920
how the Klingons, you know, it's what do they call

684
00:33:44.960 --> 00:33:48.279
that a fixed trial? You know, of course it is,

685
00:33:48.359 --> 00:33:51.279
you know, but it's because of that that hatred. You know,

686
00:33:51.279 --> 00:33:53.279
they don't like the Federation at all. Out they're and

687
00:33:53.319 --> 00:33:54.920
you got to need they need someone to blame.

688
00:33:55.359 --> 00:33:56.480
Yeah.

689
00:33:56.519 --> 00:33:58.160
One of one of the things that I think SE's

690
00:33:58.160 --> 00:34:00.960
this movie, apart from some of the other starts, it

691
00:34:01.119 --> 00:34:04.839
just feels much more epic because you're getting to see

692
00:34:05.079 --> 00:34:07.759
so much more going on in the galaxy, them just

693
00:34:07.799 --> 00:34:10.039
going to Roraa Penthe, getting to see all these other

694
00:34:10.079 --> 00:34:13.159
alien creatures, and it just it just seems to fit better.

695
00:34:13.760 --> 00:34:15.880
It felt like to me like I was I was

696
00:34:15.960 --> 00:34:18.280
witnessing a little bit more of what you see in

697
00:34:18.320 --> 00:34:20.880
Star Wars. Not to bring Star Wars into Star Trek,

698
00:34:21.320 --> 00:34:24.440
you know, I love both so, but it really felt

699
00:34:25.239 --> 00:34:28.320
much more on a grander scale than we've seen in

700
00:34:28.360 --> 00:34:29.719
other Star Treks. I mean, I know the other ones

701
00:34:29.760 --> 00:34:31.800
were pretty big too, don't get me wrong, but it

702
00:34:31.920 --> 00:34:33.719
just has that vibe in that field of this film,

703
00:34:33.760 --> 00:34:35.440
which is that's why he sets it apart more.

704
00:34:35.440 --> 00:34:38.320
For me, Yeah, I feel like there's almost a little

705
00:34:38.320 --> 00:34:42.440
bit of Deep Space nine DNA yes in this one,

706
00:34:42.559 --> 00:34:49.639
because you get characters from other species that have very

707
00:34:49.679 --> 00:34:53.559
important roles, whether you think about the the guy who

708
00:34:53.599 --> 00:34:56.159
starts to the prison fight with Kirk and gets kicked

709
00:34:56.159 --> 00:35:03.159
in the knees and playing the comelloid. I think it

710
00:35:03.199 --> 00:35:05.400
was a great call and a great use of the

711
00:35:05.639 --> 00:35:08.480
you know, even though the morphing technology at that point

712
00:35:08.559 --> 00:35:11.280
wasn't as advanced as it is now, but it's still

713
00:35:11.360 --> 00:35:15.440
used very, very well, and you get a sampling of

714
00:35:15.519 --> 00:35:21.760
different aliens in different ways rather than just having you know,

715
00:35:21.800 --> 00:35:23.800
I know that when they have the end scene, there's

716
00:35:23.840 --> 00:35:26.920
all the people that applaud and some people more awkward

717
00:35:27.000 --> 00:35:30.880
ways than others. But to give them some substance and

718
00:35:30.920 --> 00:35:33.440
some purpose in a role I think is a good

719
00:35:33.679 --> 00:35:34.239
good move.

720
00:35:34.559 --> 00:35:36.159
Yeah, I agree.

721
00:35:36.760 --> 00:35:39.039
I like the the the sequences too, that we get

722
00:35:39.079 --> 00:35:41.119
back and forth, that you see them on the Enterprise

723
00:35:41.280 --> 00:35:43.880
or trying to find out who did this by you know,

724
00:35:43.960 --> 00:35:46.440
searching the Enterprise. We're getting to see different parts of

725
00:35:46.440 --> 00:35:49.400
the ship that we don't normally get to see, which

726
00:35:49.400 --> 00:35:51.719
apparently was a big deal back then. People were throwing

727
00:35:51.719 --> 00:35:53.599
a fit about some of the things they shown on screen,

728
00:35:53.639 --> 00:35:55.800
which I thought that was just silly.

729
00:35:57.239 --> 00:35:58.960
But I enjoyed that. I do.

730
00:35:59.440 --> 00:36:01.800
But when you know, talking about you're talking about the

731
00:36:01.800 --> 00:36:05.320
phaser in the galley and stuff, well yeah, First of all,

732
00:36:05.400 --> 00:36:07.360
I was one of those people that it didn't make

733
00:36:07.400 --> 00:36:10.320
any sense. But someone pointed out to me that in

734
00:36:10.360 --> 00:36:16.000
the original series, Janis Rand had mentioned that she warmed

735
00:36:16.079 --> 00:36:19.559
up Kirk's drink or his coffee using a phaser in

736
00:36:19.559 --> 00:36:22.559
the galley, So it's yeah, they well why not? Why

737
00:36:22.679 --> 00:36:24.760
would they not keep him? I mean, what if people

738
00:36:24.800 --> 00:36:27.039
beam in and that's where they beam into the ship.

739
00:36:27.039 --> 00:36:28.440
What are you supposed to throw a pan at him?

740
00:36:28.679 --> 00:36:28.840
Right?

741
00:36:29.199 --> 00:36:31.119
You need access to a phaser immediately. You never know

742
00:36:31.159 --> 00:36:34.079
when that's gonna happen. Yeah, so it makes perfect sense

743
00:36:34.119 --> 00:36:34.320
to me.

744
00:36:35.559 --> 00:36:40.320
But well, I think, you know, it could have exposed

745
00:36:40.360 --> 00:36:42.880
the entire conspiracy because if I was that cook that

746
00:36:43.000 --> 00:36:46.440
was making the pancake better for forty or the gulash

747
00:36:46.519 --> 00:36:48.280
or whatever it was, and that, oh yeah, I thot

748
00:36:48.400 --> 00:36:50.800
that Valarous vaporized, I would have been like, yep, she

749
00:36:50.840 --> 00:36:51.360
did it.

750
00:36:51.760 --> 00:36:59.599
She did it. I love how everybody comes running into fire.

751
00:37:00.679 --> 00:37:04.159
Yeah, they could have been like Valarius, you could have

752
00:37:04.239 --> 00:37:06.199
just said it. You could have just said that out loud.

753
00:37:06.239 --> 00:37:07.880
It didn't need to be a jerk to the cook.

754
00:37:08.920 --> 00:37:12.239
Yeah, but that was really well so.

755
00:37:13.039 --> 00:37:15.000
But then just between that back and forth with the

756
00:37:15.000 --> 00:37:16.679
prison and stuff like that, I just thought that was

757
00:37:16.719 --> 00:37:19.760
cut together very very well. That's a good editing of

758
00:37:19.800 --> 00:37:22.440
what and keeping that story rolling that you never get

759
00:37:22.480 --> 00:37:25.159
bored of what's going on. Again, going back to that,

760
00:37:25.199 --> 00:37:26.920
this film is extremely well paced.

761
00:37:27.159 --> 00:37:29.880
Yeah, it is well in a powerful delivery from Christopher

762
00:37:29.880 --> 00:37:31.880
Plumber in that moment when he's like, don't wait for

763
00:37:31.920 --> 00:37:36.199
the translation, answer me now. Yeah, he's so intense right there.

764
00:37:36.199 --> 00:37:37.159
I love it he is.

765
00:37:37.840 --> 00:37:40.880
That's that's his best performance. I feel, uh is right there.

766
00:37:40.920 --> 00:37:45.079
It's just over the top and so so well done. Yeah, so.

767
00:37:47.199 --> 00:37:47.800
What are the scenes?

768
00:37:47.800 --> 00:37:50.159
Did you guys really really like about this? There's so

769
00:37:50.239 --> 00:37:52.199
much still the talk about that we could talk about,

770
00:37:52.760 --> 00:37:55.719
but there is just let's okay, tell you what. Let's

771
00:37:55.719 --> 00:37:59.920
talk about them finding out Valaious is behind all the

772
00:38:00.079 --> 00:38:01.039
this on the Enterprise.

773
00:38:01.719 --> 00:38:04.159
There's a lot of controversy with that scene.

774
00:38:04.679 --> 00:38:06.239
Yeeah, Well, let's let's talk about that. Wayne.

775
00:38:06.280 --> 00:38:09.679
What you've got? Well, I mean, you know, what is

776
00:38:09.719 --> 00:38:12.159
Spock exactly doing to her? I mean, obviously it's a

777
00:38:12.199 --> 00:38:15.400
mind meld, but a lot of people were thinking that

778
00:38:15.400 --> 00:38:19.519
that's you know, he's he's violating, violating her, you know,

779
00:38:20.360 --> 00:38:23.360
he's practically mind raping her. Yeah, I agree, it's what

780
00:38:23.400 --> 00:38:25.519
a lot of people are saying. But you have to

781
00:38:25.519 --> 00:38:27.639
look at the situation. Yeah, I mean, yeah, he is

782
00:38:27.679 --> 00:38:32.760
doing it against her will. But a lot was at stake, Yes,

783
00:38:33.079 --> 00:38:35.320
a lot was at stay. I mean the whole freaking

784
00:38:35.440 --> 00:38:38.519
galaxy was at stake. Piece. You know, if if a

785
00:38:38.639 --> 00:38:41.159
war started, think of the count was millions of people

786
00:38:41.519 --> 00:38:44.800
that would have died in Starship's loss. So, I mean,

787
00:38:44.920 --> 00:38:47.480
in my opinion, Spock was justified doing that because they

788
00:38:47.519 --> 00:38:49.639
needed the answer. Yeah, and she was the only one

789
00:38:49.639 --> 00:38:50.800
that was gonna be able to give it to him.

790
00:38:51.000 --> 00:38:52.320
Yeah. I agree.

791
00:38:52.440 --> 00:38:55.519
It's there's a balance there and and it's it's tough

792
00:38:55.920 --> 00:38:59.239
to cross that line because you're right, it's it is

793
00:38:59.280 --> 00:39:01.639
like a mind rate what you're doing to somebody here.

794
00:39:02.159 --> 00:39:04.920
But in that situation, you don't have a choice.

795
00:39:04.920 --> 00:39:07.239
Man, is he You're either doing that or you're gonna

796
00:39:07.239 --> 00:39:09.400
have a thousands of thousands of thousands of people getting

797
00:39:09.480 --> 00:39:10.960
killed of story.

798
00:39:11.679 --> 00:39:14.800
Well, and I know that it is, it really is.

799
00:39:14.840 --> 00:39:20.480
And Kim Catrall's performance in that and you know how

800
00:39:21.280 --> 00:39:24.800
let her Nemo responds, I love his when his voice

801
00:39:24.920 --> 00:39:28.880
cracks and he says, she does not know, but the

802
00:39:29.280 --> 00:39:31.119
trembling and the tears that she comes to.

803
00:39:31.199 --> 00:39:31.400
I know.

804
00:39:31.440 --> 00:39:33.920
There was something I had read where somebody had said

805
00:39:35.280 --> 00:39:41.039
it was because he was pulling out memories or pulling

806
00:39:41.039 --> 00:39:46.000
out thoughts, and they're pulling out the kind of elements

807
00:39:46.000 --> 00:39:50.559
of betrayal of their relationship, which is what caused that

808
00:39:50.760 --> 00:39:55.000
traumatic kind of shaking in that reaction that she had.

809
00:39:55.920 --> 00:39:59.519
It's definitely disturbing to watch that kind.

810
00:39:59.360 --> 00:40:02.519
Of it is and it should be and it should be.

811
00:40:02.480 --> 00:40:05.320
Yeah, right, And I don't know if I've ever necessarily

812
00:40:05.400 --> 00:40:11.719
seen an involuntary mind meld like that, but wow, it's

813
00:40:11.760 --> 00:40:13.039
it's very powerful.

814
00:40:13.199 --> 00:40:15.400
I think that's the only one that I can think of.

815
00:40:15.480 --> 00:40:17.079
I can't think of any other one.

816
00:40:17.360 --> 00:40:19.679
Yeah, so that just makes it that's much more important.

817
00:40:20.039 --> 00:40:23.360
It's just not something of Alcan does. I mean, it's

818
00:40:23.400 --> 00:40:27.400
against their their their policies, but the way they do things.

819
00:40:28.079 --> 00:40:30.360
But you know, Spock, like it's like I said, it

820
00:40:30.920 --> 00:40:33.960
had to be done. They needed that information. I couldn't

821
00:40:33.960 --> 00:40:34.599
wait any longer.

822
00:40:34.920 --> 00:40:35.480
Yeah.

823
00:40:35.559 --> 00:40:37.119
One of one of the things that that led up

824
00:40:37.159 --> 00:40:39.280
to that that I loved was just seeing that anger

825
00:40:39.480 --> 00:40:42.039
and Spock when they lay the trap and they're they're

826
00:40:42.079 --> 00:40:45.199
in the medical bay, uh and he's laying down and

827
00:40:45.360 --> 00:40:47.960
she comes in and you know, she's got that phaser

828
00:40:48.000 --> 00:40:50.239
pointing out him. He just like hauls back and just

829
00:40:50.280 --> 00:40:53.079
smashes that phaser away from her and knocks it away.

830
00:40:53.920 --> 00:40:56.800
I just was like, damn, Spock, you could just feel

831
00:40:56.840 --> 00:40:59.679
the anger in the room right there when he did that,

832
00:40:59.719 --> 00:41:01.840
showing those emotions that he doesn't normally show.

833
00:41:02.360 --> 00:41:04.360
Well, I think it's another reason why it's good that

834
00:41:04.400 --> 00:41:09.360
we didn't get Savoc back. Yes, because I feel like

835
00:41:09.519 --> 00:41:13.440
there's so much more of a mentor mentee kind of

836
00:41:13.480 --> 00:41:18.559
relationship between Spock and Valaris. You know, they have that

837
00:41:18.719 --> 00:41:23.639
ceremonial scene where he says, you know, I continue to

838
00:41:23.679 --> 00:41:28.000
be my replacement and she says I could only succeed you,

839
00:41:28.159 --> 00:41:30.559
and you can see the respect that they have for

840
00:41:30.639 --> 00:41:33.679
each other, the amount of time that they've spent in

841
00:41:33.760 --> 00:41:38.760
that role to have that kind of betrayal, Yeah, I

842
00:41:38.800 --> 00:41:41.519
can see why he goes to the scene where he says,

843
00:41:41.559 --> 00:41:42.360
I prefer it dark.

844
00:41:43.079 --> 00:41:46.039
And it would have been a different dynamic though between

845
00:41:46.199 --> 00:41:49.880
Valarus and Savoc because we see at this point Savig

846
00:41:49.920 --> 00:41:52.000
would have been This would have been like ten years

847
00:41:52.159 --> 00:41:55.639
after ten or fifteen years after Rapicon, so she would

848
00:41:55.639 --> 00:41:59.800
have been a fully established star Fleet officer. I don't

849
00:41:59.800 --> 00:42:03.440
think Spock would have had that strong of emotion, that

850
00:42:03.559 --> 00:42:07.039
strong of betrayal as with someone like Hilaris, who he's

851
00:42:07.159 --> 00:42:11.239
like very familiar with recently and has been training.

852
00:42:12.000 --> 00:42:14.400
Yeah. No, you're right, I completely agree with that.

853
00:42:16.159 --> 00:42:18.199
Let's talk a little bit about the final battle h

854
00:42:18.400 --> 00:42:21.960
that we get here U Sulu and the excessor coming

855
00:42:21.960 --> 00:42:24.800
in as quickly as they can. Uh, they almost get

856
00:42:24.840 --> 00:42:28.360
to Camp Kidmer where they're having the peace talks, and

857
00:42:28.400 --> 00:42:31.079
then as they slow up, you get that.

858
00:42:31.079 --> 00:42:36.679
I see you, Kirk. Absolutely yeah. That just just gives

859
00:42:36.679 --> 00:42:37.199
you chills.

860
00:42:37.440 --> 00:42:41.159
And then that whole battle just just ensues and they

861
00:42:41.159 --> 00:42:44.159
figure out how to you know, get that photon torpedo,

862
00:42:44.440 --> 00:42:49.719
uh to find that cloaked bird of prey. And as

863
00:42:49.719 --> 00:42:52.480
soon as that pops up, man, it just like go

864
00:42:52.599 --> 00:42:52.880
for it.

865
00:42:53.000 --> 00:42:54.880
Everybody, just fire. I'd love that.

866
00:42:54.920 --> 00:42:58.280
Gotta just gotta have a tailpipe exactly it does.

867
00:42:58.480 --> 00:42:59.599
Yeah.

868
00:42:59.719 --> 00:43:02.320
Let me say that the visual effects for the sequence

869
00:43:02.440 --> 00:43:07.000
are incredible. They are absolutely beautiful, perfectly done on every bit.

870
00:43:07.039 --> 00:43:09.880
Thank god ILM's back. Yeah, oh yeah, I agree.

871
00:43:10.440 --> 00:43:11.920
This film looked beautiful. It did.

872
00:43:12.000 --> 00:43:14.639
Yeah, you could tell ILM was back and was at

873
00:43:14.639 --> 00:43:17.280
the top of their game again because it shows very

874
00:43:17.280 --> 00:43:19.119
well in this film. All right, well, let's go ahead

875
00:43:19.119 --> 00:43:21.400
and take another break, guys, and then we come back.

876
00:43:21.440 --> 00:43:24.400
We will continue our discussion of Star Trek six The

877
00:43:24.480 --> 00:43:31.239
Undiscovered Country. Welcome back everybody where. We are continuing our

878
00:43:31.239 --> 00:43:33.440
discussion here at Phaser Set. It's done for Star Trek

879
00:43:33.480 --> 00:43:35.719
six The Undiscovered Country.

880
00:43:36.280 --> 00:43:39.119
So I thought the film wrapped up pretty nicely, guys.

881
00:43:39.800 --> 00:43:43.039
There at the end, the crew coming to Scotty finally

882
00:43:43.039 --> 00:43:44.880
gets to save the day and shoot the assassin.

883
00:43:44.960 --> 00:43:47.559
I love that. I was like, yes, he gets.

884
00:43:47.360 --> 00:43:53.199
It, Yes, and a sneaky cameo we got there with.

885
00:43:54.360 --> 00:43:57.639
Oh no, okay, yes, m hmm.

886
00:43:57.880 --> 00:44:02.920
I always mispronounced it, Rene, I thank you.

887
00:44:03.960 --> 00:44:04.199
Thanks.

888
00:44:04.199 --> 00:44:04.360
Wait.

889
00:44:04.519 --> 00:44:06.800
I love seeing the you know, the Scooby New moment

890
00:44:06.840 --> 00:44:08.480
where the mask is ripped off and it's.

891
00:44:08.360 --> 00:44:12.000
Like, yeah, well none of those scenes were in the

892
00:44:12.119 --> 00:44:14.800
original release. Those they're all yeah, those were all put

893
00:44:14.800 --> 00:44:15.239
in later.

894
00:44:16.360 --> 00:44:16.559
Yeah.

895
00:44:16.719 --> 00:44:17.480
That interesting.

896
00:44:18.320 --> 00:44:19.679
It's put together extremely well.

897
00:44:19.880 --> 00:44:20.159
It is.

898
00:44:21.000 --> 00:44:23.159
So this movie here, here's one of the things that

899
00:44:23.199 --> 00:44:26.960
I'm I'm trying to figure out. So the Federation builds

900
00:44:27.000 --> 00:44:30.599
these starships, which probably don't are not instant overnight, you know,

901
00:44:30.679 --> 00:44:32.960
putting these together. They probably take months, I would think,

902
00:44:33.039 --> 00:44:36.159
to put them together. How long do they keep a

903
00:44:36.320 --> 00:44:40.000
starship going on missions out there?

904
00:44:40.440 --> 00:44:41.800
Is it five years? Is it ten years?

905
00:44:41.840 --> 00:44:44.679
I'm not talking missions that the crew is on. How

906
00:44:44.719 --> 00:44:47.920
long is a ship going for before they retire it?

907
00:44:47.960 --> 00:44:49.159
Before they retire.

908
00:44:48.840 --> 00:44:50.880
It usually about thirty to forty years.

909
00:44:51.280 --> 00:44:52.840
Okay, So here's my problem with this.

910
00:44:53.440 --> 00:44:57.920
They are going to mothball the Enterprise here, this new

911
00:44:58.039 --> 00:45:02.679
Enterprise is only six years old, true, because because it

912
00:45:02.719 --> 00:45:04.760
was new in the Final Frontier at the beginning, even

913
00:45:04.800 --> 00:45:06.320
though it was hunka junk.

914
00:45:06.119 --> 00:45:07.800
At that time, right, they couldn't get it working yet.

915
00:45:07.840 --> 00:45:10.000
Yeah, and this is six six years later, right from

916
00:45:10.000 --> 00:45:10.800
the Final Frontier.

917
00:45:11.199 --> 00:45:15.039
Actually we don't really know the age because maybe I mean,

918
00:45:15.199 --> 00:45:17.800
maybe I'm wrong, Yes, someone if please email me if

919
00:45:17.920 --> 00:45:23.000
if I'm incorrect. But the Enterprise A was originally the Yorktown.

920
00:45:23.559 --> 00:45:26.719
I believe that that's, you know, before they changed his name.

921
00:45:26.760 --> 00:45:28.440
But I don't think we were ever told how old

922
00:45:28.480 --> 00:45:29.400
the York Town was.

923
00:45:29.880 --> 00:45:33.280
Fair enough, Okay, if that's the case, then I'll let

924
00:45:33.280 --> 00:45:33.519
that go.

925
00:45:33.639 --> 00:45:35.159
But it was just bothering me. I'm like, wait a minute,

926
00:45:35.159 --> 00:45:37.880
isn't this must be new ship untily six years old there?

927
00:45:38.000 --> 00:45:40.480
Right? And it didn't take a beating that looked like it.

928
00:45:40.519 --> 00:45:43.760
I mean, all that stuff looked like a big fixed easily. Yeah.

929
00:45:43.920 --> 00:45:45.239
I understand the crew was done.

930
00:45:45.280 --> 00:45:48.480
I mean because they've been around for so long, and

931
00:45:48.639 --> 00:45:51.079
and I like that the Kirk and they were like

932
00:45:51.119 --> 00:45:53.159
the star Fleet's demanding us to come back.

933
00:45:55.280 --> 00:45:56.400
We're going to keep going.

934
00:45:56.599 --> 00:46:00.800
See you well, in a great Peter pant blind from

935
00:46:01.360 --> 00:46:03.920
Kirk where he says second started the right straight out

936
00:46:03.960 --> 00:46:06.519
until morning, like for his kind of character. I thought

937
00:46:06.519 --> 00:46:08.039
that was really fitting way to go out.

938
00:46:08.119 --> 00:46:11.519
Yeah, and in the whole captain's log at the end

939
00:46:11.719 --> 00:46:16.559
really fit in with the next generation here. Yeah, absolutely perfect, Yes,

940
00:46:17.000 --> 00:46:18.159
absolutely perfect.

941
00:46:18.320 --> 00:46:20.159
And that shot with all of them together is just

942
00:46:20.239 --> 00:46:22.199
an incredible ending shot. Yep.

943
00:46:22.960 --> 00:46:25.239
Yeah, couldn't agree more well, and I was glad they

944
00:46:25.239 --> 00:46:27.360
would find a way to a clever way to incorporate

945
00:46:27.519 --> 00:46:30.639
Sulu into that shot as well. Yeah, they can let

946
00:46:30.760 --> 00:46:34.199
kind of exchange of respect and yeah, hat's off to

947
00:46:34.199 --> 00:46:35.000
Sulu in this one.

948
00:46:35.079 --> 00:46:38.320
He's absolutely to the rescue for sure quite a few times,

949
00:46:39.039 --> 00:46:42.400
so kuders to him. All right, any any little information

950
00:46:42.440 --> 00:46:44.000
you want to talk about behind the scenes, guys. I

951
00:46:44.039 --> 00:46:47.239
know there's tons about this movie that's out there, which

952
00:46:47.360 --> 00:46:49.559
you know you can just go and look research it for.

953
00:46:49.679 --> 00:46:52.880
But anything interesting that you guys might have found, well.

954
00:46:52.719 --> 00:46:55.400
I got my film facts later. But I want to

955
00:46:55.400 --> 00:46:59.239
bring up the trailer. Does any of you remember how

956
00:46:59.239 --> 00:47:01.480
the trailer? I don't want to sure if you saw

957
00:47:01.519 --> 00:47:03.039
it this way, but so, where did you guys see

958
00:47:03.039 --> 00:47:03.920
the trailer for the first time.

959
00:47:03.960 --> 00:47:05.880
Do you remember, I honest, you don't remember.

960
00:47:06.000 --> 00:47:09.280
Oh I do. I don't know, I do. I remember

961
00:47:09.320 --> 00:47:13.679
exactly where it premiered. Remember, back in the early nineties,

962
00:47:13.760 --> 00:47:17.000
there used to be a channel called KVC where you

963
00:47:17.000 --> 00:47:19.679
went on there and you bought stuff. Well, ever, occasionally,

964
00:47:19.679 --> 00:47:21.239
about three or four times a year, they would have

965
00:47:21.280 --> 00:47:24.199
something called a Star Trek Night where they would invite

966
00:47:24.480 --> 00:47:26.440
guests from Star Trek on there and they'd sell like

967
00:47:26.480 --> 00:47:31.639
autographs and trinkets and stuff like that. And that summer,

968
00:47:31.679 --> 00:47:33.920
I think it was in August of ninety one, they

969
00:47:34.079 --> 00:47:38.280
had William Shatner on them and they premiered the trailer

970
00:47:38.360 --> 00:47:40.840
first time before it was even in theaters, for Star

971
00:47:40.880 --> 00:47:44.480
Trek six, and I just happened to be watching it

972
00:47:44.519 --> 00:47:46.360
that and of course, you know, I was the biggest

973
00:47:46.400 --> 00:47:49.559
tricky ever. I mean I was treky to the extreme.

974
00:47:50.559 --> 00:47:54.280
I was currently having a movie version uniform being made

975
00:47:54.320 --> 00:47:56.320
at the tailor's and you know, so I could wear

976
00:47:56.320 --> 00:47:58.920
it for the for the premiere, which I never did,

977
00:47:58.960 --> 00:48:00.760
but I did have the made. It's still hanging in

978
00:48:00.760 --> 00:48:03.320
my closets as of this day. But but yeah, that's

979
00:48:03.360 --> 00:48:05.119
where that's where the trailer premiered. I thought it was

980
00:48:05.199 --> 00:48:07.239
rather odd, but I wanted to bring that up, that

981
00:48:07.239 --> 00:48:10.719
that's just a little memory that I had.

982
00:48:11.320 --> 00:48:13.960
Yeah, well, of all the ways to you know, kind

983
00:48:13.960 --> 00:48:16.679
of sneak it where it likely won't leak. I mean,

984
00:48:16.719 --> 00:48:20.000
you've gotta you've got to be deeply entrenched to know

985
00:48:20.039 --> 00:48:26.679
what night is star Trek Night on QBC, right, like

986
00:48:26.920 --> 00:48:29.159
nobody's going to be able to scrabble for their VCR

987
00:48:29.239 --> 00:48:31.760
and you know, no leak this any place.

988
00:48:33.800 --> 00:48:37.920
No kidding, All right, Wayne, let's talk about the score

989
00:48:38.199 --> 00:48:41.519
for this film. As we mentioned, Uh, this is not

990
00:48:41.599 --> 00:48:44.519
Jerry Goldsmith, this is not James Horner. Uh, it's Cliff

991
00:48:44.559 --> 00:48:46.199
Idelman who tried to get them.

992
00:48:46.679 --> 00:48:47.800
They did, but I.

993
00:48:47.800 --> 00:48:50.760
Tell you even though they they didn't couldn't get them,

994
00:48:50.760 --> 00:48:54.320
and they got Cliff. Cliff did a phenomenal job in

995
00:48:54.360 --> 00:48:55.000
this film.

996
00:48:55.079 --> 00:48:58.320
I think this was his first studio film, just like

997
00:48:58.400 --> 00:49:01.960
James Horner, this was his first film. I remember on

998
00:49:02.159 --> 00:49:04.880
Entertainment Tonight back just before the film came out, they

999
00:49:04.880 --> 00:49:07.639
had a big interview with him and showed him conducting,

1000
00:49:07.719 --> 00:49:10.800
and he did a phenomenal job with this for a start,

1001
00:49:10.880 --> 00:49:15.000
just like Horner did. I guess Meyer just likes choosing

1002
00:49:15.119 --> 00:49:17.079
new people, and he really knows how to choose him.

1003
00:49:17.400 --> 00:49:17.639
Yeah.

1004
00:49:18.239 --> 00:49:21.840
I like his usage of a men's course in this, yeah,

1005
00:49:22.519 --> 00:49:25.079
which is you don't get a lot of Usually it's

1006
00:49:25.119 --> 00:49:29.000
a female choir or as young boys, but this was

1007
00:49:29.039 --> 00:49:33.400
a men's course. And like the using those non Western instruments.

1008
00:49:33.440 --> 00:49:37.000
I thought that was phenomenal choices on his part because

1009
00:49:37.039 --> 00:49:38.840
it works so well in the film.

1010
00:49:39.039 --> 00:49:42.199
Oh with the Klingons. Yes, yes, it really works well.

1011
00:49:42.199 --> 00:49:46.079
It's a very it's a much darker score, but even

1012
00:49:46.199 --> 00:49:48.719
you know, it works perfectly with the film and the visuals.

1013
00:49:49.000 --> 00:49:51.519
But it's such a great listen, just separate, you know,

1014
00:49:51.559 --> 00:49:54.679
when you're listening to the soundtrack. You know. It's a

1015
00:49:54.679 --> 00:49:58.840
pity that he really hasn't done much after this, you know.

1016
00:49:59.039 --> 00:50:00.960
I know he was hoping that this would springboard a

1017
00:50:01.000 --> 00:50:03.880
pretty big career, but and I know he has done films,

1018
00:50:03.920 --> 00:50:06.320
But the only thing I can remember is that Christopher

1019
00:50:06.320 --> 00:50:09.079
Columbus film that came out shortly after this film that

1020
00:50:09.159 --> 00:50:12.199
he did. I wish we would have seen more. I

1021
00:50:12.239 --> 00:50:15.239
know he tried to be the composer for a Star

1022
00:50:15.280 --> 00:50:18.800
Trek Discovery. It sent them promo tapes and everything, and

1023
00:50:18.840 --> 00:50:21.400
unfortunately they didn't choose him. I wish they would have.

1024
00:50:21.599 --> 00:50:23.480
I don't get it, though, because he's so good in

1025
00:50:23.519 --> 00:50:24.599
this How.

1026
00:50:24.400 --> 00:50:27.840
Did he get work? I don't know. I've heard some

1027
00:50:27.920 --> 00:50:30.480
of his concert work too, he does concert piece and

1028
00:50:30.519 --> 00:50:34.159
it's all phenomenal. I just I guess the stars weren't

1029
00:50:34.199 --> 00:50:35.119
aligned for him.

1030
00:50:35.199 --> 00:50:38.239
I guess because I mean I thought it was perfectly fitting,

1031
00:50:38.239 --> 00:50:40.639
because I know when I went to not seeing this

1032
00:50:40.719 --> 00:50:43.599
composers we normally see within when you do hear the score,

1033
00:50:43.679 --> 00:50:45.239
say man, this is pretty damn good.

1034
00:50:45.639 --> 00:50:47.239
Oh yeah.

1035
00:50:47.360 --> 00:50:51.239
And that opening overture that leads right into the explosion,

1036
00:50:51.280 --> 00:50:54.400
which I think the music just perfectly goes in it.

1037
00:50:54.840 --> 00:50:58.199
You know, it's so powerful and it's suddenly silent and boom.

1038
00:50:58.280 --> 00:51:00.760
You know what an incredible opening.

1039
00:51:01.039 --> 00:51:03.400
And doesn't overuse the star Trek theme. I mean, we

1040
00:51:03.400 --> 00:51:06.960
don't get until late into the film You're which is

1041
00:51:07.000 --> 00:51:09.199
perfectly fitting for this film that they did that.

1042
00:51:10.079 --> 00:51:13.199
Yeah, and his end credits fanfare is one of my

1043
00:51:13.480 --> 00:51:17.559
favorite end credits, along with Goldsmith's. I love it. I

1044
00:51:17.559 --> 00:51:18.880
listened to it over and over again.

1045
00:51:19.159 --> 00:51:22.199
Yeah. Absolutely, all right. Well, let's talk about to be

1046
00:51:22.239 --> 00:51:24.360
thre eggs. Wayne. I know you're salivating to talk about

1047
00:51:24.400 --> 00:51:27.760
this because you're so good at it. So go ahead.

1048
00:51:27.760 --> 00:51:29.119
What did you find in this film?

1049
00:51:29.320 --> 00:51:29.440
Well?

1050
00:51:29.480 --> 00:51:31.840
See, now we can call these easter eggs because we've

1051
00:51:31.840 --> 00:51:34.519
got a lot of Star Trek on TV and movies now,

1052
00:51:34.599 --> 00:51:38.440
so I'm gonna start calling it that. Well, love to

1053
00:51:38.480 --> 00:51:40.880
start off for us Trekies. This film takes place in

1054
00:51:40.920 --> 00:51:44.920
the year twenty two ninety three. That means the opening

1055
00:51:45.000 --> 00:51:49.960
scenes for Star Trek Generations with Kirk and Chekhov and

1056
00:51:50.480 --> 00:51:53.800
Scotty take place in the same year, probably just a

1057
00:51:53.840 --> 00:51:59.000
few months after the events of this. Filming for this

1058
00:51:59.119 --> 00:52:01.280
movie took place during a break between the fourth and

1059
00:52:01.280 --> 00:52:04.840
the fifth season of Star Trek The Next Generation. Although

1060
00:52:04.840 --> 00:52:07.480
this is the final Star Trek film to feature the

1061
00:52:07.639 --> 00:52:12.199
entire original series cast, only Michelle Nichols and DeForest Kelly

1062
00:52:12.360 --> 00:52:16.679
actually make their final Star Trek appearances here in this film,

1063
00:52:17.480 --> 00:52:20.440
we see you know, James Dewan returns in Relics, the

1064
00:52:20.599 --> 00:52:23.239
sor of the Next Generation. Shatner of course comes back

1065
00:52:23.320 --> 00:52:31.079
for Generations, as well as Water Kaynigg, George Takai, George

1066
00:52:31.079 --> 00:52:36.159
de Kay He appeared on Star Trek Voyder again, and

1067
00:52:36.199 --> 00:52:39.119
of course Leonardnimoy appeared in Next Generation and The Star

1068
00:52:39.159 --> 00:52:42.440
Trek and Star Trek in the Darkness yep. At the

1069
00:52:42.440 --> 00:52:45.760
same time that The Undiscovered Country was filming, there was

1070
00:52:45.800 --> 00:52:49.519
another movie that was filming very close to their sound

1071
00:52:49.559 --> 00:52:53.159
stage called Frankie and Johnny. It was being directed by

1072
00:52:53.159 --> 00:52:57.440
Gary Marshall. He had arranged for William Shatner, Leonard Nemo

1073
00:52:57.480 --> 00:53:00.320
and Deforce Kelly to appear in their full Star Trek

1074
00:53:00.400 --> 00:53:05.119
costumes and makeup just off camera behind the door at

1075
00:53:05.159 --> 00:53:07.679
one scene, so that tween al Pacino, who is the

1076
00:53:07.679 --> 00:53:09.239
star of that film, that would open the door, he

1077
00:53:09.239 --> 00:53:11.880
would get an actual look of surprise on his face.

1078
00:53:13.880 --> 00:53:14.480
That's awesome.

1079
00:53:15.679 --> 00:53:17.960
Now, while you can't see this on screen, just you

1080
00:53:18.039 --> 00:53:20.760
just have to trust me on this. General Chang's eyepatch

1081
00:53:21.039 --> 00:53:25.280
had the klingon crest painted on each one of those rivets. Oh,

1082
00:53:25.559 --> 00:53:30.679
very very tiny detail right there. Yeah, there's a little

1083
00:53:31.639 --> 00:53:33.400
booboo that they made. And the credits at the end

1084
00:53:33.400 --> 00:53:36.880
of the film, your Hera is accidentally spelled your Huru

1085
00:53:37.280 --> 00:53:46.400
with a year. Okay we got This film was nominated

1086
00:53:46.440 --> 00:53:49.480
for two Academy Awards, one for Best Makeup and another

1087
00:53:49.519 --> 00:53:54.440
for Best Sound Effects Editing. Unfortunately it lost both and

1088
00:53:54.480 --> 00:53:56.639
then of course, we can't talk about On Discovered Country

1089
00:53:56.639 --> 00:53:59.280
and the events if we don't talk a little bit

1090
00:53:59.320 --> 00:54:05.320
about the Star Trek Voyager episode Flashback, which also takes

1091
00:54:05.320 --> 00:54:07.920
place during the events at the beginning of this film

1092
00:54:08.679 --> 00:54:12.360
with the destruction of Praxis, but it also establishes that

1093
00:54:12.719 --> 00:54:16.000
the character of Tubac had served as an ensign on Thecelsior.

1094
00:54:17.280 --> 00:54:20.519
They used some of the footage, a little bit of

1095
00:54:20.519 --> 00:54:23.400
the footage and the visual effects in that episode. But

1096
00:54:23.480 --> 00:54:26.960
because there were about six years different and they brought

1097
00:54:26.960 --> 00:54:30.679
back all the original cast members from the Undiscovered Country,

1098
00:54:31.320 --> 00:54:33.000
there would have been a little bit of a change,

1099
00:54:33.159 --> 00:54:35.760
especially you know they've aged about six years, so all

1100
00:54:35.800 --> 00:54:41.440
the shots were refilmed to match what Nichols Mayer had done,

1101
00:54:41.480 --> 00:54:44.920
but it's all new footage. It's a great episode. If

1102
00:54:44.960 --> 00:54:47.719
you see On Discovered Country, you have to watch this episode.

1103
00:54:47.760 --> 00:54:50.800
It actually shows some of the behind the scenes of

1104
00:54:50.800 --> 00:54:54.000
what happened to the Excelsioris it was traveling to the

1105
00:54:54.039 --> 00:54:55.599
conference to rescue Kurt.

1106
00:54:56.280 --> 00:54:56.719
That's cool.

1107
00:54:57.239 --> 00:54:58.079
I got to check that out.

1108
00:54:58.119 --> 00:55:00.320
I've never seen that, never seen it. One of the

1109
00:55:00.360 --> 00:55:01.320
best episodes of the series.

1110
00:55:01.480 --> 00:55:04.719
It was really good that season three, Yes, that's season.

1111
00:55:04.519 --> 00:55:06.559
Three close to the beginning of it. Yeah, it was

1112
00:55:06.559 --> 00:55:11.400
made for the thirtieth anniversary. Yea cool. NBC was the

1113
00:55:11.519 --> 00:55:13.960
channel of choice for the first TV airing of the

1114
00:55:14.000 --> 00:55:16.639
film when it aired on November six, nineteen ninety four,

1115
00:55:17.159 --> 00:55:19.599
just twelve days before the release of Star Trek Generations.

1116
00:55:20.199 --> 00:55:22.119
This would be the first time the Star Trek would

1117
00:55:22.119 --> 00:55:25.199
be shown on NBC since the animated series aired back

1118
00:55:25.199 --> 00:55:26.360
in nineteen seventy three.

1119
00:55:26.760 --> 00:55:27.239
Oh wow.

1120
00:55:28.079 --> 00:55:32.400
And to end off, merchandise wise, there wasn't too much

1121
00:55:32.440 --> 00:55:36.719
for this film as well, just because of how bad

1122
00:55:36.800 --> 00:55:39.920
Star Trek five bombed and burnt a lot of the

1123
00:55:40.760 --> 00:55:43.000
people who were making merchandise. But of course you know.

1124
00:55:43.039 --> 00:55:46.079
A novelization of the film was published by Pocketbooks, written

1125
00:55:46.079 --> 00:55:49.039
again by J. M. Dillard, as well as an audio book,

1126
00:55:49.079 --> 00:55:53.320
this time read by James Dowin. Starlog Magazine, of course,

1127
00:55:53.360 --> 00:55:56.880
released the official movie magazine. DC Comics once again released

1128
00:55:56.880 --> 00:55:59.320
a comic adaptation to the film, this time both in

1129
00:55:59.400 --> 00:56:02.920
standard and special edition covers, adapted by Peter David with

1130
00:56:03.079 --> 00:56:07.760
art by Gordon Purcell. AMT released a range of models

1131
00:56:07.800 --> 00:56:10.719
again with their Star Trek six logo, which included the

1132
00:56:10.800 --> 00:56:13.920
US enterprise A the Klingon D seven Battle Cruiser and

1133
00:56:13.960 --> 00:56:18.599
the Burder Prey. Hamilton Collectibles got into the release as well,

1134
00:56:18.679 --> 00:56:21.880
with collector's plates from Star Trek six scenes from the

1135
00:56:21.880 --> 00:56:26.199
film in their line of movie series plates. We also

1136
00:56:26.280 --> 00:56:29.360
have car Mike Cinemas, which I had never heard of,

1137
00:56:29.360 --> 00:56:32.360
but apparently that was the fourth largest theater chain in

1138
00:56:32.360 --> 00:56:35.840
the US at the time, offered collectible drink cups and

1139
00:56:35.920 --> 00:56:40.719
popcorn bags to movie govers in their cinema chain. Now,

1140
00:56:40.800 --> 00:56:44.119
I hope I'm pronouncing this name correctly. With False Graph

1141
00:56:44.559 --> 00:56:47.079
which that's the company that made the tea set that

1142
00:56:47.159 --> 00:56:50.079
Sulu was using at the beginning of the film. They

1143
00:56:50.119 --> 00:56:54.079
made three thousand reproduction sets and made them available to

1144
00:56:54.119 --> 00:57:01.599
the public to buy. I do remember that they had finally, well,

1145
00:57:01.599 --> 00:57:03.519
there were no action figures at the time of the film.

1146
00:57:04.239 --> 00:57:07.159
Playmate's Toys would start producing its line of Star Trek

1147
00:57:07.199 --> 00:57:10.440
figures only a few months later, and they would ultimately

1148
00:57:10.440 --> 00:57:13.079
release both a General Chang and a Mardia figure in

1149
00:57:13.119 --> 00:57:15.360
their Classics line about two years after that.

1150
00:57:17.679 --> 00:57:18.159
Very cool.

1151
00:57:18.920 --> 00:57:20.480
One of the things that I found interesting in this

1152
00:57:20.519 --> 00:57:23.800
film is this is the first Star Trek film to

1153
00:57:24.000 --> 00:57:27.000
validate Kurt's middle name that it's Tiberia.

1154
00:57:27.119 --> 00:57:30.199
Oh that's right, yeah, yeah. Oh, And this is the

1155
00:57:30.199 --> 00:57:34.280
first time that we hear Suea's first name actually mentioned

1156
00:57:34.280 --> 00:57:35.559
on screen. Have been used a lot of times as

1157
00:57:35.599 --> 00:57:38.000
the novels, but the first time we hear it.

1158
00:57:38.199 --> 00:57:42.840
Interesting. Cool. Any favorite moments, guys. I know there's a

1159
00:57:42.880 --> 00:57:45.159
lot in this film.

1160
00:57:44.280 --> 00:57:48.239
Beginning to end, from beginning to end, So Scott, any

1161
00:57:48.239 --> 00:57:50.559
any favorite moments in this film? I know there's a

1162
00:57:50.559 --> 00:57:52.400
lot in here, but any favorite for you?

1163
00:57:53.119 --> 00:57:55.079
So many? I do like.

1164
00:57:56.119 --> 00:57:59.119
One of the kind of continuing threads that we get

1165
00:57:59.360 --> 00:58:04.079
is the the friendship dynamic between Jim and Bones, and

1166
00:58:04.679 --> 00:58:08.880
you get that unfortunately on the prison planet when they're

1167
00:58:08.920 --> 00:58:13.280
they're having that conversation in the bunks about you know,

1168
00:58:14.440 --> 00:58:17.719
afraid of the future, Jim kind of opening up there

1169
00:58:18.960 --> 00:58:23.400
all the way until he gets the kiss from Martya

1170
00:58:24.039 --> 00:58:26.280
and Bones is like, don't you ever give up?

1171
00:58:26.519 --> 00:58:28.119
What is with you?

1172
00:58:28.239 --> 00:58:31.840
Come on? And it all culminates when they're having that

1173
00:58:31.920 --> 00:58:35.639
fight in the snow and you know, Kirk versus Martya

1174
00:58:35.679 --> 00:58:38.280
and they're kind of you know, rolling around on the

1175
00:58:38.280 --> 00:58:40.559
ground and they happen to roll over Bones and you

1176
00:58:40.599 --> 00:58:43.480
can see Bones just be like, seriously, come on just

1177
00:58:43.519 --> 00:58:44.559
Get Me off this Planet.

1178
00:58:46.159 --> 00:58:48.239
Yeah, that was that was fun. Wayne. What about you?

1179
00:58:48.920 --> 00:58:50.880
Oh well, I mean I really do like this film

1180
00:58:50.920 --> 00:58:54.480
from beginning to end. But I think the well, like

1181
00:58:54.519 --> 00:58:58.360
I said I mentioned earlier, the dinner scene is one

1182
00:58:58.400 --> 00:59:01.480
of my favorite scenes from this film, and but I

1183
00:59:01.519 --> 00:59:04.599
also like the battle scene at the end is just

1184
00:59:04.599 --> 00:59:08.559
just so phenomenally done. You know the shot where the

1185
00:59:08.559 --> 00:59:12.760
the photon torpedo bursts through the Enterprise's saucer section, what

1186
00:59:12.840 --> 00:59:17.440
an incredible effect. And then when the klingon the chains

1187
00:59:17.480 --> 00:59:19.440
cling on burd to Prey destroy is destroyed and you

1188
00:59:19.440 --> 00:59:22.559
see the inside and the fire rushing through, and I

1189
00:59:22.760 --> 00:59:25.000
love that shot. The You've reused that shot in generations.

1190
00:59:25.000 --> 00:59:29.320
But I just between you know, the action that's happening

1191
00:59:29.320 --> 00:59:33.239
here and we have two starships fighting against the klingon

1192
00:59:33.320 --> 00:59:36.000
Burder Prey. I mean that was just incredible. I remember

1193
00:59:36.440 --> 00:59:40.199
being in the theater and just you know, stunned by

1194
00:59:40.199 --> 00:59:42.159
how incredible this this sequence is.

1195
00:59:42.480 --> 00:59:43.039
Yeah.

1196
00:59:43.480 --> 00:59:45.480
Well, I think they've got a great lighting effect when

1197
00:59:45.599 --> 00:59:49.719
the cloaked Burder Prey fires and yes they do.

1198
00:59:49.880 --> 00:59:51.440
That's coming home, Yeah they do.

1199
00:59:52.039 --> 00:59:54.360
Yeah, all of that is just there's so many good

1200
00:59:54.400 --> 00:59:56.519
scenes in this movie, it's really hard to pick that

1201
00:59:56.519 --> 01:00:00.360
that favorite moment. But I got to go back to

1202
01:00:00.360 --> 01:00:03.880
the whole trial scene again. That one was just pumped

1203
01:00:04.000 --> 01:00:05.119
up so much because of.

1204
01:00:05.159 --> 01:00:07.400
Christ Prompt Plumber's performance there.

1205
01:00:07.880 --> 01:00:10.239
And that you just know the trap that Kirk and

1206
01:00:10.280 --> 01:00:14.119
McCoy are in. I think even McCoy even mentions it, like,

1207
01:00:14.159 --> 01:00:16.039
you know this is a setup or don't answer that

1208
01:00:16.480 --> 01:00:19.159
this is a trap, because it is, and they know

1209
01:00:19.199 --> 01:00:22.400
they're they're they're done for. But just that whole trial sequence,

1210
01:00:22.480 --> 01:00:25.519
when you're getting that that that big gavel thing of

1211
01:00:25.519 --> 01:00:30.480
whatever he's using that when he's yeah, I just I

1212
01:00:30.519 --> 01:00:33.119
just thought all of that was done so so well.

1213
01:00:34.360 --> 01:00:36.559
So Yeah, I think the trial scene is probably one

1214
01:00:36.599 --> 01:00:38.000
of my favorites, even though there are so.

1215
01:00:38.000 --> 01:00:39.920
Many other ones that I could say for the same thing.

1216
01:00:40.000 --> 01:00:41.880
But I don't want to repeat what you guys have said,

1217
01:00:41.880 --> 01:00:43.400
but yes, the Charles scene, I absolutely love.

1218
01:00:43.840 --> 01:00:46.800
The lighting in that scene is really really well done.

1219
01:00:47.519 --> 01:00:49.679
You know, we don't talk much about the lighting of

1220
01:00:49.719 --> 01:00:53.280
these films and TV series, but kudos to them because

1221
01:00:53.280 --> 01:00:54.440
they did a really good job at that.

1222
01:00:54.760 --> 01:00:57.480
Yeah, and to think how much everything that happened in

1223
01:00:57.519 --> 01:01:00.119
this film, so much is going on. You know, you've

1224
01:01:00.119 --> 01:01:03.920
got the explosion of the moon for the Klingons. Then

1225
01:01:03.960 --> 01:01:06.000
you have the get together to figure out that you know,

1226
01:01:06.039 --> 01:01:08.159
the Kleanons are going to collapse within fifty years, so

1227
01:01:08.199 --> 01:01:10.960
they want to basically make peace. Then you have the

1228
01:01:11.039 --> 01:01:13.079
Enterprise to go get them, and then you have all

1229
01:01:13.119 --> 01:01:15.559
of this where you know, they blow up that they

1230
01:01:15.559 --> 01:01:17.599
don't blo up the ship, but they kill the.

1231
01:01:17.599 --> 01:01:20.599
Chancellor, and then Kirk and McCoy get.

1232
01:01:20.440 --> 01:01:22.519
Captured, they go back, they get put on trial, they

1233
01:01:22.519 --> 01:01:25.039
get sent to a person plan, and there's so much

1234
01:01:25.079 --> 01:01:27.920
going on in this film, which I guess that's why

1235
01:01:28.039 --> 01:01:30.719
it just you never get bored in this film at.

1236
01:01:30.519 --> 01:01:33.519
All and don't feel Yeah, it don't feel cluttered, you know,

1237
01:01:33.800 --> 01:01:36.199
not at all from beginning to end perfectly.

1238
01:01:35.920 --> 01:01:38.719
Yeah, like I said, it's perfectly paced.

1239
01:01:38.599 --> 01:01:41.800
And everything that's running under it and through it right

1240
01:01:42.079 --> 01:01:44.559
because you have access to next generation, so you know

1241
01:01:44.599 --> 01:01:48.519
that there's a treaty between the Kleons and the Federation

1242
01:01:48.679 --> 01:01:52.159
at some point, and this is a pivotal moment in

1243
01:01:52.239 --> 01:01:57.199
that yep. So knowing how that important, how important that is,

1244
01:01:57.239 --> 01:01:59.599
and all the political undertones and things like that is

1245
01:01:59.760 --> 01:02:03.159
it makes it a really cohesive story and it just

1246
01:02:03.199 --> 01:02:04.199
helps it to age.

1247
01:02:04.599 --> 01:02:05.079
So well.

1248
01:02:05.519 --> 01:02:08.920
Ye yeah, when you mentioned lighting, there was one thing

1249
01:02:08.960 --> 01:02:12.920
I wanted to ask Wayne as the resident expert. When

1250
01:02:13.840 --> 01:02:18.559
someone uses a Federation transporter, it has the blue effect, right, Yeah,

1251
01:02:18.639 --> 01:02:20.880
that's when somebody uses a Clingon transporter, it has the

1252
01:02:20.920 --> 01:02:21.480
red effect.

1253
01:02:21.760 --> 01:02:22.239
That's right.

1254
01:02:22.960 --> 01:02:26.480
So what seemed interesting in this watch was when the

1255
01:02:26.519 --> 01:02:30.639
Assassins beam on to the Klingon ship, they transport on

1256
01:02:30.800 --> 01:02:34.960
and off with a red transporter effect, which made me think,

1257
01:02:35.079 --> 01:02:37.119
could somebody have been watching this and thought that the

1258
01:02:37.159 --> 01:02:40.320
Assassins may have beamed over from the cloaked ship, but

1259
01:02:40.400 --> 01:02:42.599
I know they didn't because they came back and forth

1260
01:02:42.599 --> 01:02:43.280
from Enterprise.

1261
01:02:43.920 --> 01:02:44.679
That's a good catch.

1262
01:02:45.400 --> 01:02:47.960
Or did they beam to the Klingon ship first and

1263
01:02:48.000 --> 01:02:49.880
then being in with the right.

1264
01:02:49.960 --> 01:02:51.800
True, but then they would have left the boots on

1265
01:02:51.880 --> 01:02:55.000
the Klingon ship and then beamed back to Enterprise. Technicalities

1266
01:02:55.000 --> 01:02:55.320
of it.

1267
01:02:56.159 --> 01:02:58.519
Yeah, it's something to think about when I watch it next.

1268
01:02:58.599 --> 01:03:00.239
Yeah.

1269
01:03:00.440 --> 01:03:02.599
Good plain All right, Well, guys, thank you so much

1270
01:03:02.639 --> 01:03:05.599
for joining us on this. I absolutely love breaking down

1271
01:03:05.639 --> 01:03:06.800
the Undiscovered Country with you.

1272
01:03:07.480 --> 01:03:09.119
Again. I'm going to say it is it is my

1273
01:03:09.119 --> 01:03:12.000
favorite Star Trek film of the og crew. Thank you

1274
01:03:12.039 --> 01:03:12.360
so much.

1275
01:03:12.840 --> 01:03:16.880
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1276
01:03:16.920 --> 01:03:19.000
there with us. And if you have anything that you

1277
01:03:19.039 --> 01:03:21.239
want to talk about, maybe we missed, maybe you want

1278
01:03:21.280 --> 01:03:23.559
to jump on what we were talking about to discuss.

1279
01:03:24.039 --> 01:03:25.199
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1280
01:03:25.079 --> 01:03:27.719
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1281
01:03:27.719 --> 01:03:30.559
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01:03:30.760 --> 01:03:32.400
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01:03:32.400 --> 01:03:35.000
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1284
01:03:35.440 --> 01:03:37.639
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1285
01:03:37.679 --> 01:03:40.440
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1286
01:03:40.480 --> 01:03:43.079
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1287
01:03:43.079 --> 01:03:43.719
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