Phasers Set To Stun: Starfleet Academy S1. E4 - Vox in Excelso

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1:03 I'm Scott Hoffman, and I'm Wayne Whited. In this episode, we are continuing our discussion of the brand new series Starfleet Academy with Episode four Vox and Excelso and as usual, red alert listeners. If you're not caught up with a series, please go do so, as there are mini spoilers ahead. We will be right here at the Academy waiting well. Gentlemen. We get a narrative driven episode where we learn about a certain klingon in his backstory. I do have to say we finally get a great episode for the Klingons in this new world of Trek, But before we get any farther, Scott, please tell us what it's about.

1:45 Sure. During the Burn, the Cleons were forced from their home world of Chronos, and the surviving houses scattered throughout the quatern The Doctor refers to the Cleons as a diaspora, which is a large group of people from one ancestral homeland who are scattered. They connected their heritage while living elsewhere. This situation becomes more harrowing when a cargo ship carrying members of the last eight Clayon houses suffers a critical failure in crashes. As a result, Chancellor n Allah tries to find a way to help the Klangons survive by providing them with a new, stable home world, but the Klanons don't want their don't want to compromise their culture in the process. Among those houses in peril is Jaden's family, who are on board that ship and possibly dead. The topic of how to preserve Klingon culture whilst helping them survive becomes part of a debate class between Jayden and his classmates. This episode does a great job of focusing on the skills behind the best courtroom episodes in Star Trek and shows us the way forward for one of the most important species in the quadrum.

2:48 Very good. So I'm curious here, I want your first reaction of this episode. Wayne, I'll let you go first. Well, you know, I think this episode is probably going to stand out as one of the strong longest of the season because we got exactly what I was hoping for with Starfleet Academy with this series, you know, and honest to god true Star Trek episode. That's how I felt. That actually goes into exploring, you know, the state of the Federation and the galaxy of the thirty second century as well as you know, developed that world even more. And that's what I was really hoping for. And in this case, it was the Klingons. You know, I don't remember much about the Klingons once in the last few seasons of Discovery. I don't think they were really talked about very much. It's nice that we're we're learning more about what has happened to him over the eight hundred years.

3:39 I really appreciate how Starfleet Academy is setting up their type of storytelling, you know, about finding your voice. That's basically what the episode was about without you know, without losing that that that classic Star Trek feel of that that whole optimism that they they've always carried throughout Star Trek. You know, the character here they felt natural. They failed to justified everything that they were doing, every movement they made, every every speech, every comment they made felt very justified. For this, you know, this the cadets, they were forced to step up, challenge the authority, decide what kind of officers they're really, you know, they want to become. You know, this episode may have just given us a slight glimpse into each one of these characters and where they're destined to go to in years you know that the series runs.

4:31 I'm very curious, but I really really liked this episode. This is probably my favorite so far the four interesting Scott. I feel like I appreciated it more at the end and on the second viewing. Originally there were a lot of time in the original viewing, I feel like there were sometimes when it felt a little slow and a little flat, and I think it was just the Jaden flashbacks felt like it was it was taking a while to get through them. There's a lot of kind of slow parts to them. I'm trying to get more of a grasp of what kind of character Jaden wants to be.

5:21 You know, in the Cleon culture, you have a Klingon who doesn't want to be a warrior. I guess more specifically, he doesn't want to be the traditional kind of warrior. Right. He has his own kind of path that he wants to follow. He has his own definition of who he wants to be, and he's trying to figure out who he is and who he wants to be as a as a Klingon. Right at the same time, he's trying to make an argument for letting the Klingons remain who they want to be, so I can see like their broader application, the broader meaning of it. But it did feel for me like in the first half it felt like it was a little slow going. I also, I was I was just kind of caught off guard by the you know, the resolution to it, which I'm sure we'll we'll get into kind of the battle.

6:14 That was put on. It felt very ceremonial, or it felt maybe because it. Was it was I know, but yeah, I don't know. There was part of me that was just kind of like, but would that satisfy what they want. Mm hmm, Like would that feel like enough of a battle, enough of a conquest to let them have that? It almost kind of felt like a battle that was offered to the Cleans And I understand like the the meaning behind it, but I don't know. Those are the things that just kind of caught me off guard by it. I think in a second watching I was able to appreciate a little bit more because I knew where it was going and how it would be reconciled. Yeah, first pass just kind of caught me off guard. Dave, what about you?

6:58 So I'm the opposite of you? Wayne. I feel this episode is the weakest so far of the series. It's gonna take a lot to beat the pilot. For me, it's gonna take a ton to beat the pilot because that felt that felt so theatrical. This felt very television to me, which I'm not putting that down by no means this is a TV series, I get it. But I agree with partial Scott this too, because I felt like the first few scenes with the Klingons, the flashbacks felt awkward, out of place. I don't know if it's the way they were filmed, the way they were shot or the way they were performed, but something felt off, something felt weird, that just didn't set right with me. Eventually, by the time we got to the resolution, I was okay with it, you know, and I was comfortable. I felt like I knew what they were going with the story.

7:50 And then I like the fact that Jayden stepped up to be that he was afraid of public speaking, but he realized what he needed to do because his people, his his race needed him to step up into that situation. So I get all of that, but as a whole episode, I don't know. It's just some of it just didn't work for me at all. And I love the fact that we got a powerful Klingon story, and you know, I'm glad of that because we have been missing that for a very very long time, and you know, at times they've kind of beat the gLing On stories to death, you know, the next generation did and those kinds of things. But we've missed that for a while, and now we've got that back, and I appreciate what they were doing.

8:35 I loved David is it Keeley? I think it is who played Wolke Walsick, Obell Walsick. I love his relationship with Nala. I thought the scene between the two of them felt very genuine, But overall I was not a big fan of this episode, So I feel like I could be on an island by myself here and and I kind of I agree with both of you on the ending stuff with the battle. I see why they did it, But at the same time, I felt like the Klingons from the next duration would have been like, what the hell are you doing? We're not going to accept this as a battle to win this planet. Am I wrong in thing of it that way?

9:19 Because I don't feel like, well, I mean, the way I saw it is, you know, we're talking about Klingons that are pretty close to the near extinction. You know, they have been really really beaten down. I think they they all, every every ship in that battle knew what was going on. It wasn't like it was being hidden or not. It was obviously this was ceremonial and you know, it's just something that they're going through the motions. But I think they all knew that they had they needed this planet. The Klingons wanted this planet. But they just they're their traditions, they're they're they're on or all that stuff which they they hold so dearly. They needed, they needed that, they needed that gesture to to be able to to to justify taking the planet. It's I I do understand. I understand where what you're talking about. I understand what you're going from. But I'm actually rather surprised because some of your reasespecially Scott, some of your reasons that that you said put you off of this episode a little bit, are actually the reasons that I like this episode, and that is its slower pace. I thought it did a great job of blending that that old school, take your time trek feel that with the more modern you know, Star Trek series is fast paced stuff that we we get. You know, we got the debate, the the ethics, the personal state that I loved during the Next Generations era. You know, it reminded me a lot of the episodes like the Drumhead or or The Major of a Man, or especially the Star Trek Voyager episode author author, which the Doctor even references in this episode.

10:51 It's it's very similar in style and tone, but it's framed through the yellow the younger cadets who they're really they're just. Trying to figure themselves out you know. There. We're still very very early on this, but that's why it makes this, that that old star Trek trope feel fresh. You know, I always believe to the TV screen, And that's really odd because I've mentioned over and over again I don't like the Klingons, you know, I have said that I was very very well known, but I I like this. I found them rather interesting. I found that found this this new it's not exactly a new take, but a new era in there, you know, having to find out what happened to him after eight hundred years that it's it could lead to some very interesting storytelling in the future, not just for the Cleons but for oh his the character's name is. I can't remember now, it's all the top of my head. But I may have to change my opinion on the Klingons in this era.

11:47 Really will Yeah, I mean I again, I'm torn with it, I really am. I understand what you're talking about with the flower pace and stuff like that, but if you had twenty four episodes in a season, okay, sure, take your time, but you don't have those long seasons anymore. You can't beat around the bush anymore. So I don't know I get it. I like this the character driven episodes, and I guess, and it's a double edged sword for me. I guess. There are some scenes in this episode that I absolutely loved. The one thing that I absolutely loved was the scene between Thok and Aiden or Jaden. I thought that was incredible when she came out and basically, you know, not as an instructor, more of an ambassador kind of thing. And I don't know if she used the ambassador term or not. I don't remember exactly what her phrasing was, but just speaking to him as almost like a friend and explained to her where she came from.

12:45 And in getting that, you know, getting him to calm down. And by the end of that speech, that conversation, you know, he had that get me back onto that debate basically because he realized what he needed to do, what he needed to say. And I really like that because we've we've had a lot of Nala and Caleb. It's nice to have Thok in somebody else. And I felt that was appropriate for this episode that Thalk was involved with him, because obviously, you know, she's part Klingon, right, and so they needed that connection, that relationship. So I appreciated that, so I thought that was the best scene in the entire episode in my opinion. Yeah, I think that was a strong scene, and it's one that then stuck with me and I I love Gina you here does a great job as Laura Thuck in every episode. I think she steals the scenes. Honestly.

13:39 I think if anybody was going to counsel on helping to give kind of a perspective of where the kling Outs are coming from, it would be her. Yep. I feel like what would have helped with the flashback scenes is if we had gotten more from them. Yeah, I feel like there were there sometimes when the scenes are kind of almost kind of like fast forward edits. I'm not sure how to explain that, but the ones where they kind of like starting to scene and then they kind of fast forward and then jump to a person, I feel like it was trying to give action where it really needed a little bit more dialogue. Like I liked his I like Jaden's relationship with his brother. I like the fact that his brother could see who he is and where he's going. I don't know, I guess there was just part of it that felt like it was missing. There I'm glad we got a little bit of backstory to it, but it took a while to hook me into it. I think where it was stronger was in the actual, you know, on the ship, on the academy, where he was trying to make his case forans don't out of a planet.

14:50 Yes, that was great, all of it. I agree, and I do agree with you Scott on the splashbacks. I really do agree. I mean, I took me a while to understand that they were what they even were, what was going on there, and they were a little awkward. I definite understand where you're going to there. There's I think what it is is I didn't have that connection with his family at all. He got a tiny little bit with his brother. And to go back to say this, it's kind of funny because I'm complaining that it was too slow, but I felt like the scenes with the family was rushed and they should have taken a little bit more time with them. So we got to know his brother, we got to know his family, his dad, because yeah, when we find out what thought was explaining to him about what his dad was doing, I get that and that was powerful in itself, But I didn't have any feeling for any of his family at all. I had no emotional attachment whatsoever to any of them. The only time that I really get that emotional attachment to his brother is when he's basically calling Caleb his brother at the end of the episode, and the reason why he was doing it was because he felt like he didn't have enough room in his heart for Caleb because of his brother, Like, Okay, you know that's that's neat and everything, but I just didn't have enough time with your family, so okay, whatever, let's move on.

16:10 I feel like something that that helped in a subsequent viewing is with that flashback, knowing a little bit more about what was going on with them after the burned and having a difficult time probably keeping the culture intact because they're so spread out. I wasn't quite sure if they were on a planet with I mean, I guess they were on a planet with other Klingons because there was a whole dust stuff that happened around Starfleet technology. It just it felt like at first they were stranded on the planet, so maybe having more interactions with other Klingons on that smaller planet, like even in the little town, they could have helped with that.

17:01 Maybe you know that I agree with you there. I wasn't really certain what was going on there at first start. Well, during the entire watch of the episode where they were where they're there on you know, where they exiled there, where they were they trapped there, you know, the other Klingons there, I was rather confused. I see where you're talking about there. It wasn't until I started doing back research into this episode that I understood. And that's it probably the big mistake that I find in this episode. You shouldn't have to do research in an episode to understand something. No, that's fair, not at all. You shouldn't. And I think that the detrition, I think that's why all of our complain of Wow, that stuff just felt awkward because it did. It just felt out of place. But then all the present day stuff I thought was fantastic. The whole debating stuff remy you know, basically coming to Jaden's you know, rescue, of getting him to understand how to meditate, how to put himself into a mindset, uh, to prepare himself to debate when he gets nervous, and those kind of things. I thought that was fantastic. And even then when he started to get nervous when he was out there debating, he looks at Remy, and Remy's telling him, you know, to start to do that with his hands and stuff like that to calm him down, to remind him, hey, don't rush yourself, put yourself into that mindset, get ready to debate here and Caleb, I loved out all of a sudden, Okay, he's not just this warrior. He's not just this you know jock. The dude has knowledge and he is smart. I like that because it shows a

18:33 different level of that character that you really didn't see coming. So when he was putting out all of that stuff, it even surprised the doctor's like, holy crap, you know, this guy knows his stuff. He's not doing it just by verbatim. Even though he was getting, you know, taunted by some of the people about that he knew his stuff. He was studying, and it shows you that he is not only at the academy just because of to find his mother. He's actually starting to. I think he's going to be a captain one day, by the way it looks. I really do. Yeah. I think it's also interesting, like the whole debate dynamic and it's having the doctor at the head of that.

19:15 I think it was a good choice. It was an interesting choice. It gave him a role that maybe isn't necessarily expected, but him as a professor, him as a teacher, as a head of the debate. I think it was a great choice. I don't know who else from the cast, like any other teacher that I would have had in that role, and I don't think that worked well. Right, No, Robert Ricardo's awesome, no matter what right he is. Did you get speaking of Robert McCarter, did you guys just I just saw this today. You know, he's got a pretty active social media account and on Facebook he published today a video of the filming of the debate scenes.

20:00 It was his birthday during the filming of that, and the whole cast we're singing to him and praising him. It's it was. It's a fantastic video on Facebook. Check it out. I mean, his his account's great. It's love, it's it's it's funny, it's great to follow. That's awesome. I did. I did chuckle at the speech of debate is not for the chicken ship? I did? I did. I did chuckle at that that was great. Yeah. God again, you don't normally hear in Star Trek. I'm loving it, no. Toutually from the you know, that's really interesting that that, you know, we we agree and we disagree about this ep. I think it's the first time that's ever really happened.

20:42 You know, there was one episode where we did one person agreed and two of us strongly just but this is the first time that I think we're all very conflicted with an episode of Star Trek since we started this podcast. I find it rather interesting. One thing, and Wayne, I know you agree with me that, Scott, you will too. One thing that I cheered about with Jerry Goldsmith klingon. Theme, Oh gosh, yes, yes, maybe that was beautiful to hear. Yes, I would say that too, thank you, thank you so. But yeah, no, I mean yeah, I mean we may look back when the season's done a little bit differently about this episode, maybe even one or two seasons down the road. We may look back at this episode differently when the clean and start fearing, you know, getting out there and making things happening again. But right now, not for me. I'm not saying it's horrible or terrible episode, but it's my least favorite of the season right now, for sure. I know we still got some coming, but we'll go from there.

21:45 One thing I think this episode does prove is that they are going to do like they do a strange New Worlds and do each character centric episodes, because this is definitely Jaden's episode, Agreed. And I'm glad they're doing that. That's a great way to get to know these characters. All right, Well, let's move on, guys, Let's get through some of our favorite parts. Which character shine the most? Wayne, I'll let you go first. Well, I mean obviously it's it's Jaden, And I do have to say, well, I wasn't certain about his character through the first three episodes. He put my doubts to rest in this one. The actor did such a phenomenal job with everything that he was given here. They're they're all great, but he he got his chance to shine here and he's become a character that's and an actor that I'm curious about and I'm gonna watch for in the future episodes. But I all want to point out two that I also think Genesis really shines here as well.

22:44 You know, the episode gives gives her a lot more space to move beyond that. Just that that Cadet that with something to prove. Let's her, you know, deal with the authority, the ethics, and a little bit of self doubt. You know. Watching her step into that debate rather than just avoid it feels like she's she's taking a really big step in her character growth, just like Kayden or excuse me, Jaden. I have trouble remembering his character for some reason. I remember his character's. Name, Scott. What about you? Yeah, I'll have to agree that. You know, this is Jaden's turn on the spotlight. I think he did a good job of overcoming what he needed to and kind of like facing his own kind of inner battle to arrive where they had to be. I think it'll be interesting to see where his character goes. I think there's more of a chance for him to explore a little bit more about, you know, how his clinging culture changed based on where it is and how it's forced to act.

23:52 I hope that it. You know, obviously he's got a lot of room to kind of grow out of his shell, because now he's very reserved and very much like who am I. I don't think it was clearly resolved by the end of the episode, but it will be interesting to see kind of where he goes. Dave, what about you? Yeah, I mean it's gonna be across the board on this when you know, Jaden isn't just restling with expectations of being a warrior. He's carrying the deeper wound of believing he has dishonored his father. You know, the loss of his brother weighs heavily on him. In the moment he admits he never realized he had room in his heart for Caleb as well as was especially moving. You know, his decision to finally let your brother Gough becomes a powerful turning point, revealing the kind of warrior he truly is.

24:32 Jaden shows remarkable depth, sensitivity, and growth layers. We rarely rarely get to see any cleon character, so I think that was fantastic. Another thing that I found interesting is I don't know if you guys know this or not, but the actor who plays Jayden, he actually went to a speech place to learn how to speak in that deep voice that Jaden has. It took him a little time to learn how to do that, and apparently Michael has been working side by side with him too about being a kling on in those kinds of things. So you know, we got some next generation connection, which we know Franks has directed an episode two coming up too, so definitely some next generation stuff here.

25:13 Because there was a picture posted with the two of them together recently I saw. So I'm glad to hear that there's that connection that they're really looking into doing their research. Yeah. Absolutely, I wonder part of. I wonder if part of Michael's advice was don't let them mess with your teeth. Just don't know, all right. So, if you could be any character in this episode, who would it be? And why? Scott? I'll let you go first. Uh, probably the doctor because I'm sure that you know, he did a great job kind of moderating the debates which we saw kind of samplings of. It would have been interesting to see, you know, the the different arguments that he would have been hearing, especially if there would have been moments where he was torn about which way to go. It feels like that would probably get you know, they's winning an argument, but also kind of top March for having kind of an even pairing where it makes it difficult to resolve who would win. I think if I would change something about the Doctor's approach, I would probably put in either replace the quote that he pulled out or put in an additional quote, because when he what he quotes about Admiral Satigue, how you saying that the quote that he used seemed to be a different scenario than they were going for in this episode versus maybe something from ad Astra pre Aspera could have been more appropriate in terms of like, you know, Federation can't

26:46 be about changing cultures. It has to be about accepting them, otherwise it changes the entire makeup. That's one thing. Like I was glad that they quoted back, but I was like, maybe just choose another another quote. But anyway, I'd say the doctor, Wayne, what about you? Well, it was really hard for me to choose because I hate debating. I just hated. I hated in high school, I hated in college, and I still hate it. So, like you, I'm chose the doctor only because he's the one giving the lessons. Then he just gets to sit back and listen to the students and let them do the debating. Plus yeah, he's you know, he's teaching his students a very valuable lesson that we've seen used by every great officer in Starfleet from the past. You know that it's more important to balance your duty with your ethics than it is to just win an argument. So that's I chose him because he didn't have to debate as simple as that.

27:44 So for me, I went the opposite way on you, Wayne, because yeah, I don't like public speaking. I don't like debating either, and I remember the first time I ever had to do it in college in front of a bunch of a big class, that fear. So I was able to, you know, understand what Jaden was going through. I mean, not to the point where you lock up completely like he did, but you know, I felt like, you know, I understood what he was going through. So I wouldn't mind being in issues at the time because the biggest part was just getting past that fear of debating, the fear of public speaking. But it was just a matter of fact of what he was able to accomplish by the time he got the end of that episode, the fact he became a hero for his entire race and not really realized that moment when he stepped onto the bridge. You could just fee a sense and just see it in his eyes. On just the amazement of being able to be at that moment on the bridge, but then getting to see obdell Obel I think is his name Walchuk, you know basically you know, look at him in that way that somebody would look at like, oh my god, you know you are you are a hero.

28:57 Look what you have done for your entire race who was almost on the verge of being eliminated, you know, to be in his shoes at that moment, that that feeling he must have felt, the pride that he got there just had to be overwhelming. So I'll get past the public speaking part just to have that feeling. That is a great scene. Yeah, that is a great scene of him when he steps on that bridge, because I mean you really think about it's the cadets is Starkley Academy. Their big dream is to be on that bridge and you see it in his face that could be probably the first time he's ever stepped on it, and it's that was an amazing scene. Absolutely Yeah. And then to think to where he's come from. You know, he finally his brother wanted him to join the academy. He finally got to join the academy. You know, probably putting that uniform on for the first time, but then getting to step on that bridge for the first time.

29:45 My god, that had to be very overwhelming in itself. Yeah yeah, yeah, so good deal. Good picks, guys, good picks. Well, let's move on to I know Wayne's favorite part, and of course that is an Easter eggs section. Wayne go to town, my friend. They were quite few of them in this episode, some really good ones, but you couldn't look for them. You had to listen for most of them. But let me start off with the what I kind of liked. When they showed the a CBS Studio production title card, it was very briefly displayed in Klingon before it reverted back into its English. Now, those of us from back in the nineteen eighties will remember that after the release of Star Trek three, the Search for Spock Pocketbooks released a Klingon Dictionary, which was written by a guy named Mark Achrand, who was the creator the Klingon language used in that film and then the films that were after it. But you know, most of the Nic generation in its sequels, they really didn't use this book as reference. Kind of the writers kind of just created their own words. They kind of used the sounds, but not the words. It seems to be that the Star Trek is starting to go back to that book because they were very strict in using it in this one. You could definitely tell, you could hear if you listen to what they're saying.

30:58 Look in the dictionary you can translate it. I'm kind of glad that they're going back to that because it was a really well written language. I remember that, I remember, I remember that book. Yeah, it's it's a very dry book. Guard to read. Now, Scott, you brought this up a little bit, but the debate competition was named after Aaron set te who was one of the most famous judges in the Federation and was the father of Admiral Nora set Tee, which is the character that was played by Gene Simmons in the Next Generation episode The Drumhead. In that episode, Captain Picard states that his rulings were required reading at the Academy, and apparently eight hundred years later they still are. The doctor the quote that the Doctor says is the exact same quote that John Luke Picard recite. So what was it with the first link? The chain is forged? The first speech censored, the first thought forbidden, first freedom, denied, change us all inevitably. You know, that's exactly word per word right there. Also on one of the screens there is a Federation news report that states that the Devar Council meets with the Hydrogen delegation ahead of the Delta Quadrant summit.

32:10 The Hydrogen were a race of hunters that caused a lot of problems for Captain Jane Way and her crew in Star Trek Voyager's final seasons. So apparently the Delta Quadrant is now connected to the rest of it. They've actually traveled back and forth to it. Now. The Klingon colony that we were talking about earlier that Jayden and his family go to that was named Kreos Prime, and that's been a Klingon world for a very very long time. It was the colony that the Klingons and the Romulans were arguing about in the Next Generation episode The Mind's Eye. That was where it was discovered by LaForge and insign Row that the Romulans were a secretly giving Federation weapons to the rebels. There cave excuse me, Kaylea that name.

32:54 Caleb mentions the Sigma Draconis Star System. Now that's where Captain Kirk and the Enterprise had to go and rescue Spock when he had his brain stolen in the original series episode Spock's Brain. We learned a very valuable piece of political Klingon Federation history here that the Organian peace Treaty established in the original series episode Aaron a Mercy was superseded by the Kiddimer Accords that they were shown in the Star Trek sixty on Discovered Country. There's never been a direct link. This has never been mentioned between those two, and this is the first time. Also saw one of the ships that was sent to help the USS Athena was named the US s Riker. And then two things about the Klingons. First, we got to see the Klingon death ritual once again. That was first seen in the Next Generation episode Heart of Glory and many times after that, and I'm going to bring it up again because I loved it.

33:50 Great. Big thank you to Jeff Russo for bringing back Jerry Goldsmith's cling On fame. You yeah, yeah, that made the whole episode for me right there. How about thought describing the free Jim Hadar basically the post series fate of that race after Deep Space nine. Yeah, that was interesting. I mean, we just wonder what happened to him since the founders are the dominion was dissolved. Yeah. Interesting. And I know the other ships too that were there was the Capricorn, Crimson, Lexington, and of course you mentioned the Riker I thought that was interesting. They had to use Riker because, I mean, Jonathan Franks has directed an episode of this series, so come on, you better put Riker in there for Yeah. Yeah, throw them a bone for growing out loud. All right, Well, thanks Wayne for the education of the easter eggs. That majority of those I've probably missed, but well done. Okay, so what are we seeing next week? I believe the episode is called series Acclamation mill no idea what this is about.

34:50 They really trailer a name this time, we do, but they really know. But they did give us they they did give us a little bit of a teaser about it, which is the first time they've ever actually published this. It says Sam sets out to solve an ancient starfleet mystery and embarks on a journey of self discovery. I know they don't tell you very much, but it's definitely going to be a Sam centric episode. Sam, you it'd be Sam in Genesism, probably because those two are like thick as the fleas. Then again, it might be Sam and the doctor because she loves the doctor. Could be yeah, well, good deal. Well, thanks listeners for listening to us talk about Starfleet Academy. What do you think about this episode? Do you agree with us? We're kind of torn mixed up on this episode, but hey, it happens. We can't all agree all the time. It would be a boring world, right, guys, Yeah, for sure?

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