V for Vendetta | A Film By James McTeigue

0:01 Tell me, do you know what day it is, Evie? Um, November the 4th. Not anymore. Remember, remember the 5th of November, the gunpowder treason and plot. I know of no reason why the gunpowder treason should ever be forgot. And it won't be today, gentlemen. Let's talk about a film by James McTeague, his 2006 dystopian thriller V for Vendetta. Vendetta Hello, everybody.

1:03 I'm Jeff Johnson. I'm David Burns. And this is a Film By podcast. We are just a couple days away from that infamous day in November. We know you're going to be watching this one. And Dave, what a perfect opportunity for us to cover this. We're doing this season. It's all about celebrating the movies of 2006, 2001. This one's celebrating its anniversary now. And What a time for us because we also have a guest today. Yeah, we do. The incredible Bill Bant from the All 80s Movie Podcast. Bill, how are you, sir? It has been too long.

1:44 Well, thank you, gentlemen, for the amazing intro and just happy to be here to actually talk about a movie not within the 80s decade. This is a treat for you, right? You're out of your normal sandbox and Yeah. It's strange when people ask me to come on their show and talk about a movie, not within the 80s. I'm usually a little bit stunned, but flattered that they think maybe I can talk about movies as well outside of that decade as I can within. So is it not typical? Because you are the 80s guy, right? I mean, it's the all 80s movie podcast, which I happen to love. But is it just people assume naturally, like, well, we got to get Bill Bantz? We're doing an 80s movie.

2:30 Let's just get Bill Band. I mean, they don't even give you a chance? The 90s? The 70s? The aughts? Some shows have been nice enough to be, I'm sure you're sick of talking about 80s movies. We'll try something out of that decade. So they do relent every once in a while to let me talk about something else. Truthfully, the only time I ever want to talk 80s movies with you is when I get to be on your show. And I know, you know, I've been on the All 80s Movie Podcast before. You've been... on the Film Byte podcast before, which. We did an 80s movie. Yeah, now that I think about it, we did 1985's Life Force, which... Come on, that's an awesome film, though. Yes, it is. Well, you know what? Today, we rectify the situation because we will be talking about a film that didn't happen in the 1980s. Gentlemen, let's start with three things that you may not know about James McTeague. And I have a quote. I have a recent quote.

3:29 Mind you. He got his start in the late 80s as a production assistant on several small Australian films, leading to his role as an assistant director on the Australian film The Girl Who Came Late. Dave, your face says everything. No idea what that is. Bill Bant, nothing. I really don't know anything about this director, so everything you're about to tell me is. Going to be a big surprise. You guys You guys, in your lack of Australian filmmaking knowledge, it did star a relatively then unknown Miranda Otto. This is before she's off with Hobbits and Elves and what have you.

4:11 Sure. It was 1999 when he signed on to The Matrix as a second assistant director. And when the first assistant director had to leave that project, the Wachowskis installed him as first assistant. So. How's about that for getting your big break? Hey, you over there. You're hired. You got a camera? You can point it? Okay. You're now the first assistant director. And you got to remember, it was a few years later on the set of The Matrix Revolutions that the Wachowskis gave him a copy of the V for Vendetta graphic novel. So it's been a long time coming for this movie. Talk about winning the lottery. Man, that's what that is.

4:51 Yeah. Well, yeah. I mean, think about this, because at that time, the Wachowskis had originally intended to direct this film adaptation. Yeah. And it was only after spending so much time with McTeague on the Matrix trilogy that they gave him the opportunity to direct it. And, I mean, again, hitting the lottery with the Wachowskis, because this is his directorial debut. Yeah. That's impressive. Wow. What a directorial debut. Yes. Yes. You think about the technical aspects and everything that goes into making this film. And yes, the background on helping make the Matrix movies, that's great training grounds right there.

5:32 I mean, the Matrix movies set the standard for what we see in special effects today. But what I find strange is he knocked this movie out of the park. And then I'm like, all right, what else did he do after that? And I'm looking at his filmography. I'm like, nope, never saw it. Never saw it. Never saw it. I'm like, what happened? It's a mystery. He's like a one-hit wonder. Yeah. Yeah. I honestly, I don't understand. I know we'll talk a little bit about his movies, his limited filmography as we move through the episode. But he did do a interview recently with Consequence magazine. It's like an online magazine.

6:15 And they were talking about the relevance of V for Vendetta in today, you know, like our time, like today's times. Yeah. James McTeague had this to say, quote, the things that Alan Moore discussed during the Thatcherite period, we discussed during the Bush period, and you could discuss now. The fear of otherness, the endless war, the fear of immigration, all the things that are in V for Vendetta are happening at this moment. You can watch it now and it's completely resonant to what is happening. That's the frightening piece because in watching this last night, I'm like, this kind of stuff is going on now. That's the scary thing about this movie. You could really get into a real political discussion about it, which I'm going to try to avoid because you don't want to discuss politics among friends. It's scary how much you're like, wow, this really mirrors what's going on right now.

7:08 Yeah. What's impressive, and Dave, I have to believe we're going to talk about the cinematographer on this one, but what's impressive is the way this film is shot. the timeliness, you know, like the message that this movie has. You could tell me this was filmed last year and I would absolutely, if I'd never seen it, I would just believe that they filmed this last year. I agree with that. Because the message is, yeah, it's there. I completely agree with that. And, you know, the subject of how they talk about the war in America that was bleeding over into England and. Stuff like that. You're like, oh my God. Is this like talking about what's going on now and in the middle of our future here? Because you're right. It looks like it was recently shot and you could see it that way without question.

7:50 You absolutely could. Now, not everyone has seen this movie. Not everyone loves it. Like a cat's out of the bag. We all, the three of us love this film. So I know sometimes we tend to disagree, but I don't know that we're going to disagree a whole lot on this one, David, but for the people that haven't seen it, And Bill Bant, we've got a fun thing that we've been doing all season long. We're not doing these deep, lengthy pieces to give you a synopsis on the film. It's five words, Bill. So using exactly five words, can you tell us what V for Vendetta is all about? Initially, because I didn't want to go the political route, my first thought was too close to home now.

8:37 But. To help describe the movie a little bit better, it's Fear Breeds Rebellion, Ideas Survive. Ooh, that's poetic. That one, wow. That's really, Bill Band, nicely done. Dave, he has just set the bar pretty high, and you struggled. I'll remind you of your 13 Ghosts debacle. So, Dave. Five words. Exactly five words. And do not use the title. I can't beat Bill. There's no way. That was a fantastic five words. Yeah. Freedom, fighter, battle, tyrannical government.

9:17 Another excellent five-word synopsis. That is a good one. You guys are setting the bar really high. But in the spirit of the character, I'm going to give you five words. And I say in the spirit of the character because here's what I got for you. Vilified victims' valor virtuously vindicates. How about that? Using the V. Five words. Do you know how hard it is to say a five-word sentence using only letters beginning with the letter V? Excellent route to take, Jeff. I like that one. I've learned so many new V words watching this movie. I'm going to be a master at bongos.

10:00 Feel that he gives Evie, that long... Their introduction? Yeah, with nothing but Vs. I'm like, what is happening? My brain is hurting trying to take all of this in. Voila! In view, a humble vaudevillian veteran, cast vicariously as both victim and villain by the vicissitudes of fate. This visage, no mere veneer of vanity, is a vestige of the Vox Populi, now vacant, vanished. However, this valorous visitation of a bygone vexation stands vivified and has vowed to vanquish these venal and virulent vermin, vanguarding vice and vouchsafing the violently vicious and voracious violation of volition.

10:43 The only verdict is vengeance, a vendetta, held as a votive, not in vain, for the value and veracity of such shall one day vindicate the vigilant and the virtuous. Verily, this vicious swath of verbiage veers most. Verbose, so let me simply add that it's my very good honor to meet you, and you may call me V. I looked it up. Fact check me on this. I think there's 48 words beginning with the letter V in that introduction. I believe it. I close caption when I watch and I'm just like, V, V, V, V, V, V. And I just love, that's such a great moment for the two of them because he's so kind and considerate after saving her from three rapists. I love how she goes, are you like a crazy person? I'm like, I'm in love with this team immediately. Listeners, your five word synopsis. Dave, they're chiming in a lot lately. Uh, we're getting, especially on Patreon. They're always, uh, there's like three or four guys on Patreon. They're always giving us their five word synopsis.

11:49 I love it. Um, but listen, ladies and gentlemen out there, we want to hear your five word synopsis, but I feel like the bar is kind of set and I'm not talking about mine with all the V letters. I'm talking about Bill Bantz. I'm talking about David Burns. Uh, give us your five word synopsis. And, uh, if you can't come up with one, let us know who, who, uh, who had your favorite here. So Dave, there is a ton, a metric ton of material. If we dig into this movie, we'd be doing the V for Vendetta podcast. And I just want to have a good conversation with you guys, especially when we got company over Dave. Of course. But to get it out of the way, because I know some people are like, the mask is iconic. And you recognize it immediately, especially in recent times. But Dave, for those of us that maybe don't know about the rhyme that we don't know who Guy Fawkes is. Can you, can you like in the mask, can you just give us a quick rundown? You're like the history guy for the show. So could you give us a little bit of history on Guy Fawkes maybe?

12:54 Yeah, so V wears a mask in the guise of Guy Fawkes, who is most famous for his involvement in the gunpowder plot of 1605, which he was placed in charge of executing due to his military and explosives experience. The plot, masterminded by Robert Catsby, was a failed attempt by a group of provincial English Roman Catholic conspirators to kill King James I of England, his family, and most of the Protestant nobility in one fell swoop by blowing up the houses of Parliament during its state opening. All right. Well, there's our now you know moment. Commendable. All that. You didn't use a single word beginning with the letter V.

13:36 No, I didn't actually. Except for V in the beginning. Except for V, yeah. You could have thrown in violence or vindication or victory. No. Bill Bandt, I gotta ask. And, you know, it's referenced a couple times in the movie. The Count of Monte Cristo, The Phantom of the Opera, and 1984 are all cited as influences for this film. Would you say V for Vendetta is like the perfect blend of those three films? Yeah, definitely. There's certainly a lot of story elements that are all woven together throughout this movie. And it's people being used for advancement of others. Um, you know, the banning of materials, um, and just the revenge factor of getting back at people who wronged you, uh, destroyed your life.

14:34 which certainly happens to be in this movie. So yeah, there is certainly elements of that. And it is cool because he's probably read all those books and we know that he's watched the movie because we do see that one room when Evie wakes up. She's in a room of books. Yeah, the shadow gallery. And I bet all those books are somewhere in those piles. And he uses all that information to get his revenge or, you know, Some of it's revenge, but some of it is to overthrow the government and realize that these people are being oppressed and we need to move in a new direction.

15:15 Are they not watching the 1934 The Count of Monte Cristo starring Edmond Dantes on the TV is what they're watching? I think that's the version, right? Yeah, it is. I'm not sure because truthfully, I've not seen it. I haven't seen that version, no. You watch this, you kind of want to watch it. Or at least maybe, at least a version of Count Monte Cristo, I would think. Any other movies that you guys see in this? Dave, you have more? What do you got? Well, I mean, this is your, I don't want to say your typical revenge movie because this is not your typical film. Yeah. This is one of those films that I know it's based off of a graphic novel and you don't think it's going to hit as deep as it does. Mm-hmm.

15:55 Because by the time you get to the end of this film, I mean, you feel emotionally drained of what's going on and what's happening and what, you know, V had planned all along, you know, and some of the surprises you get on that path with Evie. So, I mean, there's a lot involved in this film, but the movies that you mentioned are perfect representations in this film, without question, you know. So the fact that they are talked about being represented here, yeah, they are. We've got to talk about V. We've got to talk about Evie. And we've got some other notable performances here to discuss. But let's take a quick break, and we'll do that when we get back. Welcome back. We have Bill Bant from the All 80s Movie Podcast with us today.

16:44 We're talking about the 2006 film V for Vendetta. It is celebrating its 20th anniversary. This year, this month, actually, as it were, Dave, you go weaving in the role of V. He joins the production four weeks into shooting. And this is after James Purifoy volunteers to leave. There's been some conversation like, you know, creative differences. But Dave, I dug a little bit deeper because you know about creative differences. We do. It turns out Purifoy had a lot of difficulty acting under the mask, you know, felt very constrictive. The Guy Fawkes mask as it is. And they kind of like agreed, like, you know what? You can do a better movie without me.

17:30 Let's call Hugo Weaving. Bill, is that your choice in 2005 when they're shooting? He probably wouldn't have been my choice, but his performance is amazing. When you think about that mask, you know, we think about superhero movies, right? Batman. With a cow. At least we can still see his eyes. We can see his jowl. Even with Iron Man, they do shots of him within the suit. Or even Spider-Man. The mask is so tight, you can kind of feel him breathing and that stuff. This mask gives you nothing. You don't see eyes. You don't see any kind of expression. So it's all in the voice. And Body movement. And every scene he's in gives you something.

18:27 And I. Just couldn't believe watching this, how amazing that performance is. It conveys everything you need to know with a mask that doesn't give any kind of expression. His voice does it and the way his body does it. And I couldn't think of another movie that matches it. I was like, okay, you have Jason or Michael Myers with Matt, but I'm like, they're just killers. They're just one note. He has to play all these different kind of emotions throughout the film and grab you as an audience and make you want him to succeed in what he's doing. And he pulls that off. Yeah. I mean, I'm watching it and I'm sitting there asking myself, how is he creating such an emotionally thought-provoking character?

19:15 Without ever showing his face. And Bill, to your point, it's the inflection in the voice. It's the subtle movement, you know, the body gestures. But it just, it stuns me that he can do that much without ever using his face to emote. You know, it's funny that you mentioned Bill, Jason, and Michael and those kind of things. They are kind of like just one-sided in their presentation when it comes to their mannerisms and, you know, those kind of things. But there still is something there for them. But with V, with human... what he does here, you're right. His body language, the way he moves as he's talking, you know, it's not like a robot or anything like that. He's actually putting the inflections of his words into his body movements.

20:03 And you totally see that on screen as he's doing it. Just when he's getting the profile, when he turns and you're getting that light just coming down on the mask and you're hearing that his words coming out, it blends beautifully for what he's performing. To me, I don't think they could have got anybody better because, I mean, they might have, but Hugo's voice is just so buttery smooth with this role that you are just anticipating every word that's coming from behind that mask. And it worked beautifully. Yeah, because even there's the scene where he's reenacting Count De Monti's Crisco, and he's kind of being silly. And even I was giggling at it because the way his voice was and the way he's exaggerating his actions, I'm like, yeah, that's what he does have for every scene. The voice and the actions are perfect representations. They fit together perfectly.

21:03 I like that they held off... a lot of action with him, with fighting. You get a little bit of it from time to time, right? To show how powerful and how good he is at fighting. But they hold off, obviously, to the climactic fight that you get at the end of here. But even in the fighting styles that he does, I mean, it's just, I mean, I don't know if that's a stunt double or not. Could have been with, you know, some of the things that were going on. But you even see it in the body language there of his fighting style and his movements that he does. Sure, you can tell the director's probably bringing some of his Matrix knowledge into some of this. You can see a little bit of that bleeding into it. But even in the fights and stuff like that, you can just see his facial expressions behind that mask.

21:46 It's crazy to say, right? But you can see it. You know, you guys are talking about body language. Is it noticeable at all to you guys when it's Hugo Weaving versus James Purifoy? Because there's enough Purifoy in here. He's not credited with the role, but They didn't cut his footage that they shot. I can't see a difference at all, if I'm being honest. I can't. And I'll be honest. Yeah, I really wanted to know what the scenes were that he did and Hugo did. And it just shows that Hugo's voice could perfectly match everything that James was doing and making it work. And I think the great thing about V, it's the personality. Yeah, he's driven by revenge. But he's not a one-note, I've lived my whole life just for... He's not the Batman.

22:40 He wants to have a little fun. He's having fun by himself. And then Evie kind of catches him when he's playing Count of Monte Cristo. And again, there's a lot of similarity between V and the Count. Does his personal thirst for vengeance, does it overshadow the righteousness of his mission, do you guys think? I mean, it can to a certain degree, but I mean, would not any of us here on this podcast and probably our listeners not do the same thing in that situation? I mean, the things that he went through that we learned by the time we get to this and obviously some of the things that he puts Evie through, which I'm sure we'll probably discuss. But I can't fault him for this, man.

23:22 I can't. Okay. So James McTeague first meets Natalie Portman. while he's directing second unit on Star Wars Episode II, Attack of the Clones. She wins this role. Of Evie. She's up against Bryce Dallas Howard, Scarlett Johansson, and Keira Knightley. Bill, did we get the right woman for the role? Yes. Yes, indeed. I would like to have seen it with Keira Knightley. Interesting. I won't argue that. Well, Dave, you'll never argue that. I love Keira Knightley, so I wouldn't argue that. Oh, there you go. But no, Natalie Portman, yes. I was thinking Scarlett Johansson, possibly. I don't know.

24:05 I'm not thinking anything against Scarlett Johansson. I'm not. There's nothing wrong with that. There's no wrong answer here. Dave, let's not discount your girl, Bryce. Yeah. I had her arm around me, so hey. I saw you two. I saw how she looked at you. Lucky you, lucky you. Yeah. So Natalie's research includes watching the documentary The Weather Underground. She's reading Antonia Fraser's Faith in Treason, which is a book about Guy Fawkes. She's doing the work. And reportedly, she's very excited to have her head shaved, stating that it's something that she always wanted to try doing. Bill, she's working with a dialect coach to perfect the accent.

24:47 How'd she do? It didn't bother me, so that's good. Okay. David? David? No bothering you. It was fine with me. There was a few times it was a little different. You could tell. But other than that, I'm good with it. I mean, she's not doing like the Kevin Costner Robin Hood thing. That's what I always go back to, right? Kevin Costner Robin Hood. Right. Screw it. Screw it. You know, the film unfolds from Evie's perspective. Does her character arc provide enough of an emotional impact at the end, do you guys feel? Oh, for God's sakes, yes. I think so, anyway. She's incredible. You know, I mean, if we can let the elephant out of the room here for the people who have not watched it, but hey, I mean, the sequence that she goes through, and I know you guys don't know what I'm talking about.

25:36 You don't know it's V. And it turns out that it is because he wanted to basically break her to make her come to the realization. And then when she goes out into the rain... And, you know, you get that cut back and forth of when V was burning and he does and raises the hands up in the air. And then she does the same thing with the rain coming down on her. She's got her hands up in the air because at that point she's realizing, you know, what she went through was a nightmare situation. But V is kind of kind of right in a way and in a really weird way. I know we'll put a pin on you.

26:17 I'm I'm getting you're dangerously close to my notes. I'm looking for that censor that Steven... Cut his mic off. Cut his mic off. Cut his mic. Cut his mic. Yeah. Do you know what I think? I'll tell you what I think. Let's talk about some Stevens. So we got Stephen Ray playing Chief Inspector Finch. We got Stephen Fry playing Evie's friend Dietrich. Both these characters kind of unlikely heroes. They're They step up. They protect Evie when it's necessary. They ultimately are helping V.

26:57 Let's talk Stevens. Well, Steven Ray was fantastic as Finch, as Detective Finch. I like, I mean, we've seen it before, but I like the turn of his character. As he's investigating whoever's behind the mask, he uncovers this mystery that's going on. So you see his character starting to to change the term because he's realizing the government I'm actually working for was Suttler, Adam Suttler, who John Hurt does a great job. And I will get to him in a little bit. I keep getting ahead of you, Jeff. I apologize. There's just so much to talk about. I'm sorry. Listen, we did the memento thing already. We went backwards already. We're not going to do it again. But I mean, I like how his, the story, his character arc through the story. I like how he comes to the fruition at the end of it. You know, when he gets to the the train and wants to, he's going to stop Evie, but it ends up turning.

27:51 No, I'm not going to do that. Um, so I, I enjoy it, but I'll let Bill speak to that. Bill, we got to say, it's a situation where you're rooting for V, but you also, I feel like you have to root for, for the chief inspector also, right? Yeah. I really love that scene when he talks to Dominic, who's his colleague and goes, um, wow, our government, screwed us. And he has a choice. Does he see this through or just sweep it under the rug? Because he knows what direction is going in and he's got to get this off his chest. And he knows even if he gets this off his chest, Dominic can turn him in and be like, look, this is what's going to happen.

28:36 You know, everything's going to get out. And, but he feels so strongly convicted of, I got to see this through. And he does. So that, you know, he's not blinded by what the government is telling him to do. And maybe he has been for a long time, but he understands right is right. And he's going to see this to the end. And even when he confronts Evie and he still has that choice again, do I stop it or do I let what should happen happen? And he makes the right choice. Yeah. He's vindicated, as it were. The other Steven. Oh, yeah. Sorry. I was going to say, you know, Stephen Fry, you talk about the other Stephen.

29:17 I think both Stephens did a fantastic job in this movie. Yeah. Let's talk about the other Stephen Fry. He's playing Dietrich. Now, if you guys have– if you've read your comic books, the Wachowskis take this character in a whole different direction because in the comic, Dietrich is kind of a slimeball, but he's also romantically involved with Evie. And Stephen Fry really advocated for like we don't need that. Let me take the character in a different direction. And he's standing up for the oppressed, as it were. And at the cost of his life, with the way he ridicules the Chancellor, I think the character is very endearing.

29:57 I think that the fact that they did do that made this film much better in my opinion. Yeah. Because I liked the line. He says that the reason why he was inviting Evie over, because he needed her as a coverup. Right. Because of, you know, of his sexual orientation and stuff like that. And I love, I love how they did that. I really do because it added so much depth to his character and it didn't make him a slime ball. It made him, he cares, you know, and he, You know, he. Understood the oppression that he was getting and what he had to do in front of the camera. And he finally allowed himself, you know, to, you know, mimic the chancellor, you know, and make fun of him. The Benny Hill music, which I thought was outstanding, by the way.

30:44 I'm so glad they used that. But then, and he kind of brushed it off like, oh, they're just going to sit me down. You know, they're going to, you know, and I'll have to make amends. I'll have to make a public amends. You know, that kind of thing, which... completely is not true and poor Evie has to go through the same thing she did with her mom you know has to get under the bed and has to watch him getting the crap beat out of him and dragged out of there and clearly we know what and he ends up so I love the twist of that character and I'm glad they changed that. Bill it's a great moment uh for the character the vulnerability that he displays when he takes Evie into his sanctuary his you know V has a lair and Dietrich has a layer and it's all this stuff that you're not supposed to have. You're not allowed to have. And I love the fact that as controversial as some of the stuff he has, um, it's not just to have it.

31:38 It's just, it's for the beat. Like when she mentions like, I, you know, you've got a copy of the Quran is I didn't know your muscle. He's like, I'm not, do I have to be just to enjoy the beauty of the, of the page and the splendor? It's an excellent moment for that character. And, uh, I know we've got a lot to talk about, and we can't spend a whole lot of time on Dietrich, but I did want to point him out with the other Stevens. Stephen Ray, Stephen Fry, fantastic work by both these two gentlemen. And you know what? We can't have good without evil. So John Hurt playing the Chancellor. Chancellor Sutler, which I guess in the comic, it's Chancellor Sutler. Susan or Chancellor something. They changed it to kind of get more of a Hitler-esque name to it.

32:31 Well, they got it. John Hurt, though, I mean, he's just in all his glory here. Those extreme close-ups. England prevails! Let's talk about John Hurt for a minute, Bill. Oh, what a bastard. I mean, he uses people's fear for his own agenda. Again, mimicking what's going on now. And I'll leave it there. I mean, every time you see him, it's on a, on a, basically when he's actually himself and not being portrayed by someone else, big screen takes everything up and just, it's always yelling. It's always putting people down. He's always making himself better than others.

33:18 Always threatening, trying to keep people in their place. He, he, Everything's based on fear. Fear if you don't do your job, something's going to happen to you. Fear if he's not in control, something's going to happen to everyone. And the way he does it is just through anger and mean and doesn't give time for people to think about what's going on in truth. It's kind of funny. My daughter right now, she's reading Animal Farm for school. And I was like, wow, in a way, that's another parallel kind of. It's like the pig's. The pigs are using fear and their intelligence to put everyone else down and take control of things. And this is what the town is doing the same thing. He has the knowledge of, of what has happened and he's using that and fear to keep everyone in check.

34:11 Absolutely. Dave, I love the fact like that, the, you know, V the beginning of the movie V blows up the, I think it's like the Bowery and, and, The first, you know, these guys, they show up for their meet with the chancellor on the big screen. Well, it's been four hours, so I suggest you guys have some, you know, I expect you have some information for me. Damn, it's been four hours. Four hours. The building is still smoking, and he's wanting to wrap it up. Bill, you got it right. It's leading through fear. I got to tell you, and first off, kudos to Bill Bant here. He is doing an excellent job keeping us political free. Cause this is not an easy movie to, he's not, not an easy movie to do that for.

34:58 No. And, and Bill, I see you fighting it as hard as I'm fighting, not just doing this whole pod in character as the BT host, Lewis Prothero, uh, Roger Al, Alum. I think it is. Uh, he's like, he's like this Morton Downey jr. Yes. Type of talk, talk show guy. Like, uh, I'm sorry guys, but I just freaking love him. I just absolutely love his style. If this show existed, I'd watch it every night. He's fantastic. Let's talk a little bit about Roger's performance. He's just a right-hand man, and he just spews the lies. And people are just eating it up.

35:41 The voice. Yeah, the voice of London. Yeah. Do you like that? Yeah. He's so smug and so smart. Yeah, I love the smugness. He knows he's a movie star. He knows he's a star, right, Dave? He's full of himself, for one thing. Absolutely. So conceited. I mean, come on. He's taking a shower with television so he can watch himself, okay? Who does that? Can we talk about his setup? He's got three widescreen TVs all playing him, and he's He's reciting what he's reenacting. It's fantastic, man. This guy, he's awesome.

36:25 He's absolutely awesome. And I love the fact that we get a little bit of a backstory. He's not just some scumbag that rose to power in the media. He's got a pretty ugly past. And I think that's one of the things that makes this movie so amazing is that there's layers to it. Because we're Yeah, V's got this mission of vengeance, and it's real easy from the get-go. You can say, well, yeah, the government's oppressing us. Let's take them down. But the fact that there's a murder mystery, who these people are and why he's targeting them, it's absolutely fantastic. The writing is fantastic on it. I absolutely love it. I know we've got to take another break, but before we do, I would like to talk about how gorgeous this film looks. Can we take a moment to discuss the cinematography?

37:18 Yeah. Who are we talking about? Adrian Biddle, who, Jeff, for our listeners, we have already discussed this cinematographer when we did the 2001 The Mummy Returns because he did shoot that. He shot The World is Enough for 1999. He also did The Mummy in 1999. He did Event Horizon, Thelma and Louise, Conquest, 1492 Conquest of Paradise, and Aliens. Did you mention Reign of Fire, one of my favorites? We covered that one. I think we covered that last season. Yep. This guy, so he broke into the movie business. Mm-hmm. And Dave, am I stepping on your research? Do you know about this?

38:02 Yeah, I mean— Tell us, Dave. Go ahead. Well, I mean, first off, he's an Oscar-nominated cinematographer, obviously, because I've mentioned some of the films that he's done. Well, hold on. So he was nominated for an Academy Award for cinematography? Yeah. Well, you mentioned— Philman and Louise, he was nominated for it, but he didn't win. Oh, okay. But he broke into the film— he broke in at. The age of 15, thanks to his record as a champion swimmer. Okay, why does that matter? If you're trying to become a director of photography, what does swimming have. To do with anything? Because apparently Eagle Wolkholz is the legendary underwater photographer who I guess saw him and enrolled him as his trainee.

38:42 And in 1969, Adrian worked, Jeff, you know where I'm going with this, the underwater on the James Bond film On Her Majesty's Secret Service. The guy that shoots The World is Not Enough with Pierce Brosnan. Gets his start in the business at the age of 15 working on Her Majesty's Secret Service. Only because he's a real good swimmer. Yeah, because he's a real good swimmer. I mean, come on. How do you get that job? I don't know, but I love it. This was his final movie, though. He died on December 7, 2005 of a heart attack. And, of course, this movie is dedicated to him. Yeah. Yeah. It's a tough... As I'm looking at it, because he's got an impressive filmography, and then you're like, wait, what's where, where you been, man? Yeah. And then you find out like 53 years old. That's way, way too, way too soon.

39:36 Well, yeah, that's my age. No, thank you. Yeah. And he wasn't, his wife was, was driving him to a, to another job, right? What he was, he was on his way to shoot a commercial, I think is what they said. Yep. Yeah. That's a heartbreaking loss for the, for the, uh, Filmmaking world. But he is, you know, his style is amazing. I love the fact, you know, watching V for Vendetta, because my thought was, who is it that shot this? And what else have they done that I've probably seen and loved? And to know that he did Aliens in 1986 is just awesome. And you know, with cinematographers, they have to set up the lighting. They have to fix all of that to give us that mood that the director wants. And I thought he did an incredible job in V for Vendetta for some of these scenes that we see.

40:24 Well, yeah. Okay. It's been a week or two. It's been like two weeks. Think about our conversation with Dean Cundy back at Scarefest. How could I forget? He talked extensively about light. He had that great moment where he said, light is your brush as a cinematographer. And I think the thing that helps, you know, going back to V and the personality and how Hugo Weaving was able to emote behind a mask, I think a lot of it has to do with Adrian's light, the way he lit the set. Absolutely. Because the shadows, the way that, you know, because it's got some very defined curves and ridges to that mask.

41:07 Yep. And at some points he can look a little fearsome, and at other points he looks a little silly. He looks a little ridiculous. So, yeah. Yeah, Adrian Beidel, just a fantastic cinematographer. Dave, let's take another break. When we get back, we'll get into a little bit of background about this movie. We are back talking about V for Vendetta. So I know Bill probably has a few things he knows. He probably knows a thing or two about a thing or three when it comes to V for Vendetta. Uh, Bill Bant, what kind of information can you give us on V for Vendetta?

41:53 Yeah. So, uh, filming took place on location in both Germany and England and, uh, principal photography began in March of 2005 and the production used Berlin and London locations along with studio Ballasberg in Potsdam, Germany. And these locations helped the filmmakers create the film's version of a futuristic London. I was going to say, Bill, bad year. When you think of this movie and you think of Escape from New York, they both take place in 1997. Bad year for all of us, I think. When it comes to dystopian futures, 97 just seems like the spot to be.

42:35 Yes. Stay away from 97. Yeah, stay away from 97. David, I won't give Bill Bant all the behind-the-scenes glory because I know you probably have a a little bit of trivia for us. Yeah. A few things. What do you got for us? Um, the domino scene. You know what I'm talking about? Well, it's a, it's a pretty impressive scene, but what do you tell us? Or V tips over the black of her dominoes to form a giant letter V that involved 22,000 dominoes. It took four professional domino assimilars, 200 hours. To set up. Okay. Hold on. Let me stop you right there. Are you telling me?

43:16 Yes. And all the jobs you can have. Professional domino technician exists. It exists, apparently. And four of them spent 200 hours setting that scene. Do you know how pissed I'd be if one guy messed something up or sneezes? Probably no one's allowed in this room at all. A grip drops some dolly track or something like, oh, sorry. Oh, God. What's that say about V though? That's just for him. Yeah, no one has seen this. You really got to pass it. I think he's right. Are you like a crazy person? Yeah. Hey, I get it.

43:59 If you gave me, I'm not going to buy it because I know what it costs, but if you gave me the Lego Death Star, it'd be fun to put it together. Yeah, it would. I've never understood Dominant. I don't either. The appeal of spending all that time just to see it go up in seconds. Yep, I know. I don't know. Another crazy thing is they were allowed to shoot near the British Parliament, near the Big Bend, from midnight to 4.30 a.m. That's actual set look? Like, wow. And they could only stop traffic for four minutes at a time. Could you imagine shooting that? Oh, we only have four minutes. Go, go, go. I've seen you on set, and... if I told you, okay, we've got four minutes to get this shot, you'd be like, I think you would need to, I think you'd need like 22,000 dominoes to calm you down. So we know that this is based off of Alan Moore's graphic novel, and it's adapted by the Wachowskis, but because Alan Moore famously hates, well, pretty much every movie that has been, that's adapted his work, he refused credit He gave it all to his V for Minnesota artist, David Lloyd, who didn't really have a problem putting his name on the movie. Well, no.

45:19 Why would you? And we could probably do a whole other pod just about Alan Moore not being happy with this, which we'll skip. Listeners, there's a wealth of knowledge about Alan Moore and how he feels about his movies, adaptations. And Bill, hopefully you weren't about to drop some Alan Moore knowledge on us. But if you are, please, any other insight? No. You kind of mentioned this earlier, how Natalie Portman went to get her head shaved for some reason. And the scene in which she is getting her head shaved, that's really happening. That's not fake hair or bald cat. It's better get this right on this shot because it's the only take we're going to have. They probably had like four or five cameras set up.

46:00 Yeah. Just to make sure. If he's smart, he had, he had multiple cameras, I would hope. Oh yeah. Um, I do know Hugo Weaving, they had to redo his voice because behind the mask, it was. All muffled and you couldn't hear it. So they had to redub all of his voice work in a studio, which obviously is easy to do because you don't have to match his lips. Well, yeah, but now you got me wondering, if you're dubbing him, you're dubbing the character, but it still has that. Muffled. It's got just that perfect amount of muffle. He's clearly got something in front of his face. As well as this movie's shot, the sound is fantastic too, I have to say. Agreed. Now you guys know this one's been kicked around Hollywood for a little bit. The first director that producer Joel Silver offered V for Vendetta to, Mr.

46:57 Stanley Kubrick. This was late 80s Kubrick turns him down to focus on other projects, and you've got to wonder how this movie could have turned out, because at the time, Kenneth Branagh was attached to play V. Imagine V for Vendetta, directed by Stanley Kubrick with Kenneth Branagh. That's a hit, as far as I'm concerned. I mean, I love what we got, but that's also a hit in 1980-something. That movie would be so different. Yes, it would. So different. And Bill Bant would have been covering it. Yes, that's true. He would have. You're right. It all comes back. Bill's like, well, if Kubrick says no, a film buy says yes. I'll talk about it one way or another, right? Dave, you mentioned earlier, we were talking about the guy behind the mask, whether it's James Purefoy, whether it's Hugo Weaving. Is there a stunt guy? Maybe, maybe, maybe so. Uh, there is in fact, uh, it's a very famous stunt man who we've talked about once or twice on the show. Talk about Chad Stahelski, the director of all four John Wick films. And I'm pulling this, uh, you know, I cribbed this right off the internet, but I saw it and I was like, this has got to be talked about. The scene in question where we see V, uh, the lab explodes and he comes walking out, uh, raising his hands. He's kind of, he's almost like Frankenstein's monster. Um, Engulfed in flame, just screaming in intense pain. Chad Stahelski

48:30 literally walked through fire wearing only special fire-resistant gel and a G-string. Because when you watch that film and you're like, I don't care if you're watching the 4K or not, it's like, wow, good muscle definition. That's some amazing CGI. It's not CGI. It's Chad Stahelski who is engulfed in flame. His body temperature... had to be lowered before the scene was shot. And it just so happened that it was like three degrees below zero the night of the shoot. 15 minutes before each take, he would put on ice-cold, flame-resistant clothing. And once he took it off, he'd be covered in this fire-resistant gel that slathered all over him.

49:13 And he'd be icing all day long, like just in ice to get this shot. So. I just can't imagine the, the dedication, the patience, and then just the, you know, we talk a lot about this movie, the message in this movie, there's a surrounds fear a lot. I can't imagine being on set wearing nothing but a G string and like just covered in, in goo and, So you can set me on fire. No, thanks. No, thank you. Uh, Bill, you mentioned, uh, V's lair. It's, it's known as the shadow gallery. It was the largest set built for the film. And quick question for you guys, if we can all agree that the bat cave is probably, it probably takes the title. Um, how does the shadow gallery compare to like the layers of Zorro or the phantom?

50:04 Oh, yeah. It's up there. I like it. It's up there, right? Oh, yeah. Absolutely. Bill, where are you– you've got to lay low for a while. Which base of operation are you taking? Are you in the Shadow Gallery watching– reading V's banned comic books and watching his banned movies? Or are you maybe in a cave like Zorro's or Phantom's? Yeah, I would take the Shadow Gallery. I mean, with all the propaganda that he– absconded, real butter, all the books, anything no one else is supposed to have, he has it. He's one of a kind there. What does he tell Evie when she's like, you stole this? He's like, stealing implies ownership. I merely just moved it.

50:49 Just put it where it needs to be. One more thing, and again, I would love to get my... It's probably online somewhere, I would think, but before the Wachowskis came along There was another adaptation that was written by Hilary Henkin, and in 1993 it was known as the best unproduced script, described as a wild, over-the-top cross between Les Miserables and A Clockwork Orange. Okay. What's that going to be like, you've got to wonder. But I will tell you this, it bears very little, if any, relation to what the Wachowskis did, and apparently Henkin took Some liberties with the comic made some drastic changes. So I'm guessing that's probably why we didn't see it come to fruition. All right, let's take another break because there's a scene I'm sure we all want to talk about. And, you know, I don't think we can wait much longer before Dave jumps back to that scene that I know he's going to want to talk about. I know you're going to do it.

51:52 So we'll see you in just a few. All right, the scene. Bill Bantz. There's a scene that you probably want to talk about. There's a scene we want to talk about. I will ask you this first, though. Before you tell us the scene, tell us why you chose it. Is it specifically for the cinematography? Is it because there's a strong performance? Is it the pivotal moment? Why are you choosing the scene that you want to talk about? Yeah, I would certainly say part performance, part pivotal moment, because when I saw this the first time in the theater, the reveal surprised me. I, I had no idea that's the way it was going. Okay. And, uh, you know, certainly the emotional journeys or especially journey of Evie going through this ordeal and having her transform in front of us. Uh, okay.

52:54 Very impactful. So you're talking about the moment that Evie realizes that it was V who's, Just that whole setup. Just the fact that, you know, she's, uh, leaving. She gets, we think she gets kidnapped. Yeah. And now she's thrown into prison. She's tortured. And all they're asking is for like, tell us where V is. And she's holding her ground. And it gets to a point where she feels like she can't do this anymore. And then all of a sudden she finds these letters. Yeah. About Valerie's letters. Yeah. Um, Now, Dave, before Bill Bant continues, I'm going to show my hand and just ask you, are we going three for three? Is this the scene that you want to talk about?

53:40 We're going three for three on this scene. Bill's right. This is the pivotal moment of the film. So, Bill, please continue. So then she finds these letters that are given to her, which she thinks is the prisoner next door, and it's Valerie's story and how this tragedy that Valerie has gone through yet she's stood strong in her conviction. She is who she is and she's not going to change. And that's helping Evie stand up for herself. Like, I am not going to let these people know where V is. What V is doing is the right thing. And then we do get to the end where they basically tell her, you need to tell us where V is or we're going to kill you. And she's like, go ahead. Do it.

54:26 That's when the big reveal happens. And It totally shocked the crap out of me the first time I saw it. I was like, what? What's going on? It was V the whole time. It's almost unsettling because V becomes what he's fighting. Because while the government uses fear to control people, V's using fear to strengthen V. Would you agree, Dave? He is. He's definitely riding a fine line here because he is becoming everything that he is trying to stand up against. But at the same time, he's trying. To make Evie realize what she needs to become like he did. You know, I think one of the really cool thing about this reveal is the first reveal itself that V is the one who's doing the interrogating here.

55:15 And then when V says where she says, you made all of this up. And at first you're thinking the letters made up that he wrote that all that kind of thing. And then he's like, let me show you something. And he takes her to the movie poster to show that he didn't make that up. That actually is a real letter. That really happened because he found that letter when he was in the same situation that she was in. So when that reveal happens, you have a reveal on top of a reveal that just makes the impact even stronger for Evie. So, yeah, he is kind of doing what he's fighting against, but he's actually helping her become to that realization.

55:58 The reveal of the letters from Valerie, again, this scene is so layered. Mm-hmm. And you can't have this scene without Valerie and her story. No. Because I love, you know, Evie tells a story about her father. He was an actor. He would use lies to tell the truth, and then he would say the government would use the lies to tell, I don't know. I can't remember what the exact verbiage is there, but... I like that Valerie's first letter, it opens with, you're probably not going to believe any of this, but I really don't care. I just want to tell my story. And then Evie, well, I was going to keep these, but you lied about everything. I'm sure these are a lie. No, that really happened. I think we're challenged to reconsider whether or not we're on V's side, just for a moment, because he tortures her physically and psychologically for... like an undetermined amount of time, you know, cause we know this movie takes place over the course of a year, but how long is, is she being held captive? We don't know. Um, and the whole time he's just basically wanting to break her.

57:07 Yep. And to Bill's point, even when she's faced with death, she refuses to cooperate. And I love that moment. Like the first hint to the first, uh, reveal, uh, the last guard that comes in and he's, they're always in shadows, but it's clearly he's letting his voice be heard. And it's, it's V and he's like, just give them something, you know, why are you protecting someone that doesn't give a shit about you? And she, she holds strong. Her performance, Natalie Portman's performance in this scene was absolutely outstanding because her hyperventilating. Oh gosh. Yeah. Because to realize that V did this to her. And then when she collapses to the ground and V holds her and explains why he did it, I just thought that was the best performance she had in the entire film right then and there. And, you know, he, he, He said in that cell, you found something else that matters.

57:58 You faced your death. And I love that line. That's when he took her out on the roof, you know, because it was raining. And she stands in that rain and makes that, the Rocky pose, right? Where putting the hands up in the air. And I thought the music there was outstanding in that scene. Oh, swells. Yeah. You know, she's angry. She's confused. She's betrayed. And then she comes to understand that V simply gave her what she wanted. You know, the ability to no longer live in fear, and for the first time, she is empowered. Bill Bant, let's keep you outside the 80s just a moment more. Better revelation in the rain moment. Is it Evie in V for Vendetta, or is it Andy Dufresne in the Shawshank Redemption?

58:45 Shawshank, yeah. Shawshank's beating Evie? Yes. Well, he did tunnel through like a couple hundred. you know, they both, yeah, they both was. A shit and. Threw some crap to get. All right. Uh, guys, we got to take one more break. Unless you are listening to this on Patreon. Because you guys, you get this early. You're getting it ad-free. And we've got some bonus material. I know I had talked to these guys. We're going to share our top five favorite movies based off a graphic novel. And they don't know it. But I've got something lined up. A little competition between Dave and Bill. They're going to help make a decision together.

59:30 They don't know it yet. They're both, you know, Dave looks pretty confused. He's like, what have you gotten me into? So if you're listening on Patreon, just sit tight. And if you're not, what are you waiting on? For as little as $ 3 a month, you can join Patreon. For as little as nothing, Dave, you can try it free for a week and then we'll refund you if you don't like it. I tell people, just do the, just Columbia Houses. Get in there. Download as much as possible because there's like 40 or 50 episodes now, like exclusive to Patreon. Get in there, download them all, and then be like, yeah, it's not for me. And then cancel. Maybe you won't. We'll find out. Yeah, we hope you don't cancel. For those of you on Patreon, we love you. Thank you for your support. This next piece is for you.

1:00:14 And for those of you not on Patreon, well, we'll see you in about 90 seconds. All right, we are back. I think it's time to wrap things up. Dave, we. We took Bill Bant over to our Patreon. We stayed a little too long, I think, but you guys were great sports. Your top five favorite films based off graphic novels did not disappoint. And The Great Eight. You guys kind of got through a curveball at you, and we had a fun little bracket going there with eight movies where you guys made some Made some tough decisions. Bill Bant with the most shocking, shocking decision.

1:00:59 Shocking. I mean, you know, hey, but what's a bracket without an upset? This is true. Exactly. You know, people that aren't on Patreon, they're like, what are they talking about? I'll tell you that. Yeah, Bill Bant giving us a major upset in the first round. I was so upset. I was like, what happened? I had to talk him back, you know. James McTeague, he has got... Bill Bant, you mentioned this earlier, because this guy has got a very extensive filmography when it comes to shooting second unit. But it's a limited filmography when we're talking about movies that he directed. And I, for the life of me, can't figure out why. But my question would be, and we'll start with Bill. Bill, if there was a movie, whether James McTeague directed it, whether he wrote it, Maybe if he acted in it. Is there something underrated, perhaps, that you would recommend? People saw V for Vendetta, they're like, this James McTeague guy is unreal. Does he have any smaller films or anything that I've never heard of? Bill Bandt, do you have a recommendation for someone that says that?

1:02:13 For something that he worked on? Yes. Directed by, written by, or possibly even, you know, not that he starred in a thing, but if he's... If he acted in it. Yeah. I mean, I'm embarrassed to say I hadn't seen anything else that he directed. That's fair. I was going through the filmography and I saw Survivor and I'm like, oh. And then it wasn't Survivor, I thought. Because he did some TV, too. And TV counts also, Bill. Anything? I can't think of what he did for TV, to be honest. I was going to say, if you're going to throw him a bone, it'd be like Marco Polo or Sense8. Okay.

1:02:53 Is that how you say it, Dave? I'm not a big TV watcher, unfortunately. Okay. Yeah. Bill Bant's saying, you want more of McTeague? Sorry. Sorry about your luck. I got nothing to do. You get nothing. You get nothing. We were talking about Willy Wonka on the Patreon bonus stuff. You lose. Good day, sir. That's Bill Bant. Good day, sir. Sorry. Sorry. That's okay, Bill. Sorry, James. I will try to go see one of your other movies. That'll be my goal. I got a recommendation for you, Bill. What do you got, Dave? Dave, you start. I don't know if you know much about Edgar Allan Poe. Oh, I do. The 2012 The Raven starring John Cusack. Yes.

1:03:36 Luke Evans, Brendan Gleeson. That movie is really well done. Hey, let's not forget Alice Eve. Oh, and Alice Eve. That's right. Yeah. Okay, so why wasn't this movie a bigger hit? I don't know. Because it's shot beautifully. It's real good. Yeah. Okay, so Bill, you haven't seen The Raven. Listeners, if you have not seen The Raven, this is John Cusack. He's playing Edgar Allan Poe. The movie takes place in the 1800s. There's a murder mystery. And basically what happened, Bill, let me, let me, let me sell you on this. Okay. There is a serial killer who is targeting his victims using Edgar Allen Poe's work as his inspiration. So this, is it Baltimore, Dave, I want to say? Baltimore, yep.

1:04:25 This Baltimore detective basically enlists Edgar Allen Poe to help him catch the guy because who better to know Poe's work and what, motivates someone than Edgar Allan Poe. And it's really, it's one of those great murder mysteries because it gets personal because the killer goes after Poe's lady. Very cool movie, though. Highly recommend it. It's really well done. I will check it out. Really good. I will check it out. Yeah. Listeners, join Bill Bant in checking out 2012's The Raven because it is definitely worth watching. Now then, next time on A Film By... We'll discuss another graphic novel turned film, 2001's Ghost World. If you've seen it, how would you summarize it in exactly five words? You can go to filmbypodcast.com to give us your answer. You can always email us, filmbypodcast at gmail.com. And if we use your five-word synopsis on the show, we'll shout you out on the episode.

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1:06:17 So who do you want us to interview? Who do you want us to talk to? We'll drop us a line. We'll let us know. Bill Bandt. I cannot thank you enough for joining us. We're just a few days away from the 5th of November. Um, So happy that you chose this one to join us. What do you got next? What's coming up on the All 80s Movie Podcast? Yeah, so we're wrapping up Season 6 and just had a ton of guests. Jeff, you guested on one of our shows for Scanners. Yeah, I did. We'll have Def Dave will be on to do Excalibur. And then a couple of my friends who I went to film school with in a couple of episodes, Return of the Jedi, Better Off Dead.

1:07:02 Wow. Yeah. So, you know, just the great thing about the podcast community is just how everybody just supports one another. And, you know, unfortunately, my co-host for the last five, almost six years, you know, left the show and Um, so it's people like you that have been, uh, helping me keep it, keep it alive. So I really appreciate it. And just, uh, just really thank the listeners for, uh, following on our show. And, uh, just, I, I just love the fact that, you know, scanners, that was, that was your call. That was your pick. That was the movie that you wanted to do. And, uh, I love hearing everyone else's passion about movies from the eighties too.

1:07:44 So it's been a blast. When I, when, when Bill Bandt, when I, when I see that text message, when I see that phone message, that number show up. I'm answering the call. So you got more, I'll, I'll be there for you. Uh, you mentioned deaf Dave, uh, Dave, I think we're, we're trying to get him to show up later this month for Lord of the Rings fellowship of the ring. Okay. Uh, and you guys are doing Excalibur like, so yes, I would charge all the batteries on all your equipment. He is going to have a lot to say about Excalibur. I'm telling you that I'm warning you right now and you're going to want to hear it. But, um, scanners was an absolute blast to discuss. Uh, Bill, you dropped that right there near Halloween. Right on Halloween, yeah. Right on Halloween. It was awesome.

1:08:26 Dave, I'm laughing. Are you going with Michael Ironside? Michael Ironside. We haven't talked about that. We have not. I don't know that that's something we should repeat on the episode. I'll tell you what. What about this, Dave? If Bill's got a quick moment for a Michael Ironside story. Yeah. All right. I'll say this. Hold on. We're going to, I'll do it at the end. Okay. That'll be on page. We'll do it. We'll do it for Patreon, Dave. because I don't know that we should repeat that honestly so I'll just say this definitely check out the all 80s movies podcast it is one of my favorites it'll be one of your favorites and to all of you listening to the show following us on social media and subscribing to our patreon we thank you