Sept. 23, 2026

Phasers Set To Stun: Strange New Worlds S4. E9 | Once La'an a Time

Show Notes
Transcript

On Phasers Set To Stun, we recognize the popularity of all things Star Trek, with a look at the television shows, animation, movies, and much more!

Wayne and David discuss dragons, dopplegangers, and La'an's journey of self-discovery on this episode from the 4th season of Strange New Worlds with their in-depth analysis on the 9th episode, Once La'an a Time! Join us as we beam back down to the Elysian Kingdom!

Watch this episode on our YouTube Channel and subscribe now!

Head over to our Patreon and get started with a FREE 7-day trial. We've got plenty of exclusive content and episodes that you'll only find there! You can also sign up as a free member!

Wayne's Star Trek book reviews can be found here!

Email us at afilmbypodcast@gmail.com with your questions, comments, and requests.
Find us on Instagram, X, and Facebook @afilmbypodcast.

WEBVTT

1
00:00:01.100 --> 00:00:11.599
Space, the final frontier. Join us for a bold conversation.

2
00:00:12.949 --> 00:00:17.350
Our prime directive, to recap our favorite Star Trek shows,

3
00:00:17.850 --> 00:00:23.370
both new and old. To engage in debate about all

4
00:00:23.449 --> 00:00:32.009
things Trek. Prepare to energize. With phasers set to stun.

5
00:00:40.070 --> 00:00:42.920
Hello, everyone, and welcome back to Phasers Set to Stun,

6
00:00:43.320 --> 00:00:45.640
where we continue to show our love for everything Star

7
00:00:45.679 --> 00:00:48.399
Trek in this ongoing series from a film by podcast,

8
00:00:48.719 --> 00:00:51.280
which focuses on every quadrant of the expanding universe of

9
00:00:51.320 --> 00:00:56.969
Trek by covering television, animation, movies, directors, merchandise, and so

10
00:00:57.009 --> 00:00:59.789
much more. Plotting the course, as always, is your core

11
00:00:59.810 --> 00:01:01.530
Trek crew. I'm David Burns.

12
00:01:02.149 --> 00:01:02.929
And I'm Wayne Whited.

13
00:01:03.590 --> 00:01:06.049
Welcome back to the Bridge, listeners. Scott is on an

14
00:01:06.109 --> 00:01:09.209
away mission, something about storming a castle. But not to worry,

15
00:01:09.329 --> 00:01:12.230
Wayne and I have everything under control. At least, I think.

16
00:01:13.209 --> 00:01:16.170
On this episode, we are continuing our discussion on Season

17
00:01:16.170 --> 00:01:19.489
4 of Strange New Worlds with Episode 8, Once Upon

18
00:01:19.530 --> 00:01:23.969
a Time, written by Onitra Johnson and directed by Sydney Freeland.

19
00:01:24.780 --> 00:01:26.939
Red Alert listeners, if you are not caught up with

20
00:01:26.959 --> 00:01:29.390
the series, please go do so as there are many

21
00:01:29.500 --> 00:01:33.650
spoilers ahead. We'll be right here on the bridge waiting. Wayne,

22
00:01:34.030 --> 00:01:35.989
please tell us just what this episode is about.

23
00:01:38.569 --> 00:01:44.170
When the Enterprise encounters a mysterious flat fantasy world, La'an, Pike, Spock,

24
00:01:44.209 --> 00:01:47.489
and Pellia find themselves trapped inside a real-world version of

25
00:01:47.510 --> 00:01:51.629
the Elysian Kingdom. The strange realm is filled with magical

26
00:01:51.750 --> 00:01:55.670
sightings and doppelgangers of the crew, forcing La'an into an

27
00:01:55.750 --> 00:01:59.049
adventure where she must confront a princess version of herself.

28
00:01:59.790 --> 00:02:02.430
As the crew searches for a way home, La'an is

29
00:02:02.569 --> 00:02:05.310
forced to face the guarded and lonely parts of her

30
00:02:05.349 --> 00:02:09.240
personality that have kept her from allowing herself to be happy.

31
00:02:11.280 --> 00:02:15.939
Well, Wayne, this is another gimmick episode that we were

32
00:02:15.960 --> 00:02:20.240
afraid was going to pop up. Um, But it does

33
00:02:20.360 --> 00:02:22.939
help with pushing a little bit of a character forward,

34
00:02:23.759 --> 00:02:27.259
which is Leon, obviously. It does bring the lightness and

35
00:02:27.280 --> 00:02:30.229
darkness together where she can finally feel a little bit

36
00:02:30.270 --> 00:02:35.169
better as a character. I do have to say that

37
00:02:35.270 --> 00:02:39.219
the comic relief that's in this episode with Pike and

38
00:02:39.240 --> 00:02:45.800
Spock's doppelganger was brilliantly done. I have to say the...

39
00:02:47.169 --> 00:02:48.710
I think we've said this before. It might have been

40
00:02:48.729 --> 00:02:54.150
a couple episodes ago. But Anson Mount is brilliant when

41
00:02:54.189 --> 00:02:58.360
it comes to playing odd characters and proves it here

42
00:02:58.419 --> 00:03:01.439
again when he's playing Sir Amon Ralf. Is he not?

43
00:03:01.580 --> 00:03:02.520
Is he not brilliant in this?

44
00:03:05.960 --> 00:03:09.610
No, he is brilliant. He's really got a wide range

45
00:03:10.610 --> 00:03:15.129
of acting. He does great in any character, any part

46
00:03:15.150 --> 00:03:15.689
he's playing.

47
00:03:15.909 --> 00:03:18.270
Yeah. So what do you think of this episode, Wayne?

48
00:03:20.060 --> 00:03:22.800
Well, you know, I don't hate it as much as

49
00:03:22.840 --> 00:03:26.740
I thought I would. Actually, to be honest, I thought

50
00:03:26.759 --> 00:03:28.719
it was a pretty fun episode. I did not have

51
00:03:28.759 --> 00:03:33.599
very high expectations for this episode. I really wasn't expecting

52
00:03:33.680 --> 00:03:37.159
to enjoy it. But I mean, I was pulled in

53
00:03:37.240 --> 00:03:41.610
for the entire thing. I actually enjoyed this. It's weird.

54
00:03:41.849 --> 00:03:43.729
I have mixed feelings. You know, I'm not sure if

55
00:03:43.770 --> 00:03:45.270
I like it or not, to tell you the truth.

56
00:03:45.990 --> 00:03:47.729
But I did enjoy it. I don't know.

57
00:03:48.349 --> 00:03:49.289
Yeah.

58
00:03:49.430 --> 00:03:51.490
I think a lot of it has got to do

59
00:03:51.530 --> 00:03:56.969
with Lon's story and how Christina Chong played her in

60
00:03:57.009 --> 00:04:00.370
this because I always loved the character. And I thought

61
00:04:00.389 --> 00:04:02.889
it was really interesting. It was not the way I

62
00:04:02.960 --> 00:04:06.460
thought her story was going to end. That was quite

63
00:04:06.500 --> 00:04:09.800
a surprise. But I enjoyed watching her. I enjoyed the

64
00:04:09.819 --> 00:04:12.939
visual effects. There's a lot about it. Story-wise, I'm not

65
00:04:13.039 --> 00:04:17.430
sure if we needed this episode. But, you know, it

66
00:04:17.470 --> 00:04:17.870
was okay.

67
00:04:18.029 --> 00:04:21.069
It was good. I think my struggle with this episode

68
00:04:21.129 --> 00:04:23.170
is where it's at in the lineup of the season.

69
00:04:23.310 --> 00:04:25.879
I mean, there's only one more episode left. So this

70
00:04:25.939 --> 00:04:28.980
is how you spend episode nine. I mean, yeah, you

71
00:04:29.000 --> 00:04:32.579
did kind of give us Leon's character, give it back

72
00:04:32.639 --> 00:04:35.259
to us, right, where everything is settled with her. Very

73
00:04:35.379 --> 00:04:37.519
odd way of doing it. I would agree with you

74
00:04:37.600 --> 00:04:41.019
on that for sure. It is. I did like this

75
00:04:41.100 --> 00:04:44.930
is a sequel to season one's episode 10, Elysian Kingdom.

76
00:04:45.790 --> 00:04:49.550
So I did like that. And you're right. I'm with

77
00:04:49.569 --> 00:04:51.449
you on this. I didn't think I was going to

78
00:04:51.529 --> 00:04:54.990
enjoy this episode as much as I did. Again, odd

79
00:04:55.029 --> 00:04:57.509
decision to go with this kind of story. But I

80
00:04:57.550 --> 00:05:00.689
thought all the characters playing their doppelgangers did a fantastic job.

81
00:05:00.709 --> 00:05:03.290
I felt it was a way of just letting their

82
00:05:03.329 --> 00:05:06.009
hair down and just relaxing and enjoying and having fun

83
00:05:06.069 --> 00:05:07.810
with the script. At least that's the way I felt

84
00:05:07.910 --> 00:05:10.129
it was. It was.

85
00:05:10.310 --> 00:05:12.399
And I have a feeling that they had planned to

86
00:05:12.439 --> 00:05:14.920
do a sequel to that episode for quite some time.

87
00:05:15.850 --> 00:05:19.649
Because like I said, I said last episode that at

88
00:05:19.680 --> 00:05:22.420
this point, they didn't know that the series was going

89
00:05:22.439 --> 00:05:24.980
to end. This was right around the time I think

90
00:05:25.000 --> 00:05:27.720
that they were discovering it. But so this has probably

91
00:05:27.740 --> 00:05:31.279
been planned for a while that that's why. But I mean, unfortunately,

92
00:05:31.639 --> 00:05:34.100
they are ending the series and we've only got seven

93
00:05:34.139 --> 00:05:36.759
more episodes left of it. So it does feel rather

94
00:05:36.899 --> 00:05:40.759
awkward to be. Using an episode as for the sequel. But,

95
00:05:41.100 --> 00:05:42.860
you know, they had a lot of fun doing it.

96
00:05:42.879 --> 00:05:45.420
I'm not going to fault them for that because it

97
00:05:45.439 --> 00:05:47.959
looks like the actors are having a great time. And

98
00:05:48.000 --> 00:05:50.170
it is it's pretty wild. I mean, the episode is

99
00:05:50.709 --> 00:05:53.829
is for Star Trek. That's pretty wild. What's going on

100
00:05:53.850 --> 00:05:54.629
during the whole thing?

101
00:05:54.990 --> 00:05:55.170
Yeah.

102
00:05:55.939 --> 00:05:58.199
But I mean, other series have done similar things, right?

103
00:05:58.259 --> 00:06:01.230
I mean, they've had goofy episodes and things where they've

104
00:06:01.250 --> 00:06:04.209
gone into fantasy worlds and those kinds of things. Even

105
00:06:04.290 --> 00:06:06.930
where they've had versions, different versions of themselves for crying

106
00:06:06.970 --> 00:06:10.129
out loud. This is nothing new to Star Trek. Nothing new.

107
00:06:10.810 --> 00:06:12.649
So the fact that people are throwing a fit about it.

108
00:06:13.149 --> 00:06:15.149
I mean, yeah, I get it. We only get 10 episodes.

109
00:06:15.209 --> 00:06:17.029
I mean, they don't have very many episodes to waste.

110
00:06:17.509 --> 00:06:19.529
But I mean, come on. This is in the vein

111
00:06:19.730 --> 00:06:22.810
of Star Trek. It really is. Yeah.

112
00:06:23.370 --> 00:06:25.639
Oh, yeah, very much so. I mean, You know, look at,

113
00:06:25.639 --> 00:06:29.579
you know, all the weird, wonderful episodes that were created.

114
00:06:29.639 --> 00:06:33.060
I mean, you know, you've got the whole Alice in

115
00:06:33.120 --> 00:06:36.879
Wonderland episode of the original series. You've got Robin Hood

116
00:06:36.959 --> 00:06:40.139
for the next generation. And, you know, yeah, I mean,

117
00:06:40.170 --> 00:06:43.089
you know, they all do this. It's, you know, it's

118
00:06:43.110 --> 00:06:48.449
just a fun way of doing something completely different out

119
00:06:48.689 --> 00:06:50.389
of the normal for Star Trek.

120
00:06:50.410 --> 00:06:50.810
I know.

121
00:06:51.399 --> 00:06:55.240
But usually they have longer seasons. Like I said, as

122
00:06:55.300 --> 00:06:57.480
it sounds, as you can tell, I'm really torn with

123
00:06:57.500 --> 00:06:58.720
this episode because I did enjoy it.

124
00:06:58.720 --> 00:07:00.480
Yeah, I agree with you. Yeah.

125
00:07:00.839 --> 00:07:04.600
And it just was really surprising how they ended that

126
00:07:04.639 --> 00:07:08.459
whole La'an storyline. I was just, it's just, I'm not

127
00:07:08.500 --> 00:07:10.759
sure if that sets with me very well. But, you know,

128
00:07:11.500 --> 00:07:16.019
I guess looking at it, it's been so much of

129
00:07:16.060 --> 00:07:20.040
the series of this season building up that type of

130
00:07:20.079 --> 00:07:24.740
storyline that it just sets me as weird that this

131
00:07:24.810 --> 00:07:27.730
is how they ended, ended that. Um, it's definitely not

132
00:07:27.750 --> 00:07:30.050
going to be my favorite episode of the season. No, no,

133
00:07:30.290 --> 00:07:33.490
by far, but it's not my, my least favorite at all.

134
00:07:33.529 --> 00:07:35.949
It's probably, I would say probably directly in the middle,

135
00:07:36.569 --> 00:07:39.240
but I do like, I do like the end result

136
00:07:39.379 --> 00:07:43.220
of it where they left, uh, Laan. Um, and I loved,

137
00:07:43.240 --> 00:07:45.560
you know, Christina Chung, she carried this episode big time.

138
00:07:45.600 --> 00:07:46.120
I think she did.

139
00:07:46.220 --> 00:07:47.920
I think I just gave away my choice for, uh, um,

140
00:07:49.629 --> 00:07:51.550
spotlight character, but I.

141
00:07:51.509 --> 00:07:53.129
Think we're both going to go there. So I'm, I'm

142
00:07:53.170 --> 00:07:56.269
with you on that. And when I do, if they're

143
00:07:56.310 --> 00:07:58.939
going this route, I do like the fact they took

144
00:07:58.980 --> 00:08:01.100
this opportunity to write Pelley character off.

145
00:08:01.879 --> 00:08:03.220
And that was a surprise.

146
00:08:03.480 --> 00:08:05.300
It was, it was a very big surprise, but you

147
00:08:05.339 --> 00:08:07.600
knew it had to come. We didn't know it was

148
00:08:07.620 --> 00:08:10.779
going to be like this. And I do absolutely love

149
00:08:10.819 --> 00:08:15.709
the fact of being Miracle Max, Billy Crystal's character from

150
00:08:15.730 --> 00:08:18.490
the Princess Bride. That they were able to blend that

151
00:08:18.589 --> 00:08:21.050
into this episode. I thought that was fantastic.

152
00:08:21.649 --> 00:08:24.350
Yeah, they weren't exactly subtle with that. We all knew

153
00:08:24.410 --> 00:08:25.310
what they were doing there.

154
00:08:25.329 --> 00:08:25.990
Yeah.

155
00:08:26.550 --> 00:08:27.649
But I love that they did that. I thought that

156
00:08:27.689 --> 00:08:28.209
was pretty cool.

157
00:08:28.790 --> 00:08:31.790
Yeah. It was a wonderful nod. It really was. To

158
00:08:31.829 --> 00:08:34.610
Carol Kane, her character was Valerie, I think it was,

159
00:08:35.570 --> 00:08:38.250
from The Princess Bride. So, I mean, I thought that

160
00:08:38.289 --> 00:08:42.720
was nice. How do you feel, Wayne, about the Kirk

161
00:08:42.759 --> 00:08:45.399
and Leon being a couple? If they're hinting to that

162
00:08:45.440 --> 00:08:46.519
at the end. How do you feel about that?

163
00:08:49.490 --> 00:08:52.409
Well, I mean, we all know where it ultimately ends

164
00:08:52.470 --> 00:08:55.240
and that they're not together within like a year or two.

165
00:08:55.340 --> 00:08:57.960
But right now, in this point of Star Trek history,

166
00:08:58.620 --> 00:09:02.419
I'm OK with it. I like the idea now that

167
00:09:02.820 --> 00:09:07.340
all this has been settled with Lon. She's allowing herself

168
00:09:07.360 --> 00:09:10.200
to be rather vulnerable with Kirk. I really like the

169
00:09:10.259 --> 00:09:13.899
change in her personality for the end of the episode,

170
00:09:13.919 --> 00:09:16.279
you know. All those different versions that she had to

171
00:09:16.580 --> 00:09:19.659
deal with of herself and all the emotional baggage now

172
00:09:20.259 --> 00:09:25.080
stripped away. And I'm okay with that. I'm okay with

173
00:09:25.100 --> 00:09:30.080
their relationship, short as it's going to be. I'm curious

174
00:09:30.100 --> 00:09:31.559
to see where they're going to take this, though.

175
00:09:32.299 --> 00:09:37.159
Yeah, I found it humorous when he was Prince Dashing.

176
00:09:37.179 --> 00:09:39.220
And then when he took the mask off and you

177
00:09:39.240 --> 00:09:41.919
got the wind blowing in his hair and all of

178
00:09:41.940 --> 00:09:43.120
that stuff. I thought that was pretty funny.

179
00:09:43.139 --> 00:09:46.980
Oh, I know what it was all about. It gave

180
00:09:47.019 --> 00:09:48.899
me a little bit of a, yeah, it reminded me

181
00:09:48.919 --> 00:09:49.580
a lot of Shrek.

182
00:09:50.139 --> 00:09:53.059
It did, exactly. It's exactly what I felt like. It

183
00:09:53.120 --> 00:09:55.509
had the Shrek vibes through this whole episode, it did,

184
00:09:55.529 --> 00:09:56.269
in my opinion.

185
00:09:56.769 --> 00:09:57.950
It did, yeah.

186
00:09:58.450 --> 00:10:01.269
I don't know. I think they were doing that on purpose.

187
00:10:02.730 --> 00:10:05.210
Oh, I think so, too. That and the Princess Bride,

188
00:10:05.230 --> 00:10:07.090
they were mixing the two, and like I said, they

189
00:10:07.110 --> 00:10:11.409
weren't very subtle with it. It was pretty obvious. But

190
00:10:11.529 --> 00:10:13.149
one thing I do want to point out is one

191
00:10:13.169 --> 00:10:16.100
scene that I really did like, because it's so absurd,

192
00:10:16.659 --> 00:10:19.179
was the dragon attacking the Enterprise. I thought that was

193
00:10:19.200 --> 00:10:24.509
just so how would you put wonderfully ridiculous. I mean, it's, it's,

194
00:10:24.669 --> 00:10:28.210
it's pure fantasy, you know, the, the dragon flying, flying

195
00:10:28.230 --> 00:10:31.490
through space, breathing fire in space. I mean, what, what

196
00:10:31.529 --> 00:10:33.690
the heck, you know, you have to kind of suspend belief,

197
00:10:33.710 --> 00:10:35.549
but I'm willing to do that for this episode. It

198
00:10:36.649 --> 00:10:38.590
was just, it was just a lot of fun. So

199
00:10:38.610 --> 00:10:42.000
plus the whole thing with the Pike doppelganger and, and

200
00:10:42.029 --> 00:10:44.460
the way he was acting, God, I laughed really hard

201
00:10:44.480 --> 00:10:46.320
during that scene. It was so good.

202
00:10:46.360 --> 00:10:48.940
Him up into that captain's chair like he was. where

203
00:10:48.980 --> 00:10:50.620
he didn't know how to sit in the chair and

204
00:10:50.639 --> 00:10:51.899
how he's freaking out. He didn't know how to handle

205
00:10:51.940 --> 00:10:52.620
the situation.

206
00:10:53.159 --> 00:10:54.519
Yeah, the way he curled up in a ball when

207
00:10:54.539 --> 00:10:55.700
he was afraid. Yeah, that was.

208
00:10:56.120 --> 00:10:59.230
I was rolling with laughter. And even before that, when

209
00:10:59.269 --> 00:11:01.370
he came up the turbolift and almost fell out of

210
00:11:01.389 --> 00:11:04.629
the turbolift because he didn't expect that chair to be moving.

211
00:11:06.889 --> 00:11:10.620
That was so extremely well done with his performance. I

212
00:11:10.639 --> 00:11:12.179
want to go back to the scene where they were

213
00:11:12.240 --> 00:11:17.440
first on the Enterprise, the doppelgangers. And... He was telling Spock,

214
00:11:17.600 --> 00:11:20.360
you must keep your wits about yourself. And then Ahura

215
00:11:20.399 --> 00:11:22.490
steps out and freaks him out. And he does that

216
00:11:22.590 --> 00:11:26.250
girly scream. I thought I rolled with that scene.

217
00:11:27.409 --> 00:11:27.990
I did too.

218
00:11:28.629 --> 00:11:28.929
I did too.

219
00:11:28.950 --> 00:11:33.600
That was hilarious. It was so fun to watch. I'm

220
00:11:33.679 --> 00:11:35.940
going to say I think I'm settling to the point

221
00:11:35.960 --> 00:11:37.879
where I do like this episode. Because the whole thing

222
00:11:37.919 --> 00:11:41.809
was really... fun to watch the the the actors having

223
00:11:41.929 --> 00:11:44.850
fun the weird visual effects the whole thing i i

224
00:11:45.049 --> 00:11:49.769
really enjoyed that and um anson mount and christina chong

225
00:11:49.809 --> 00:11:51.750
they're so wonderful i'm gonna miss them when this series.

226
00:11:51.549 --> 00:11:54.330
Is over with yeah me too i almost won an

227
00:11:54.389 --> 00:11:59.009
entire episode of spocking in pike's doppelganger all the whole

228
00:11:59.049 --> 00:12:02.429
episode it really would because i mean they were they

229
00:12:02.460 --> 00:12:04.850
were brilliant in their in in that There was even

230
00:12:04.889 --> 00:12:07.929
the scene where they were walking past and they see

231
00:12:07.950 --> 00:12:09.929
the tavern. Well, they say it's a tavern. He says, oh, look,

232
00:12:10.330 --> 00:12:12.149
a tavern. Yeah. Should we go and get a drink?

233
00:12:12.809 --> 00:12:14.600
And then Spock turns and starts talking and he looks

234
00:12:14.639 --> 00:12:16.559
back and he pikes already in there drinking.

235
00:12:16.980 --> 00:12:20.019
Yeah. That was great. I laughed at that, too.

236
00:12:20.039 --> 00:12:20.240
Yeah.

237
00:12:20.620 --> 00:12:20.860
Yeah.

238
00:12:21.159 --> 00:12:21.700
Of course.

239
00:12:23.639 --> 00:12:27.450
It was fantastic. And you mentioned the practical effects. Dude,

240
00:12:27.690 --> 00:12:31.909
the practical effects of the werewolf was incredible. Yeah. Yeah.

241
00:12:33.149 --> 00:12:34.809
Yeah, they did a really good job. That was some

242
00:12:34.870 --> 00:12:38.250
wonderful makeup and what they did there. It was really good.

243
00:12:38.470 --> 00:12:40.190
And you could tell that as a practical effect. That

244
00:12:40.269 --> 00:12:43.370
was not CGI. I mean, you could really see that

245
00:12:43.409 --> 00:12:45.330
they were doing puppet work and stuff like that. And

246
00:12:45.570 --> 00:12:47.450
I applaud them for that.

247
00:12:48.710 --> 00:12:50.370
Yeah, I do too. I mean, that's one thing that

248
00:12:50.409 --> 00:12:52.389
we haven't talked about how much is the makeup and

249
00:12:52.429 --> 00:12:56.330
prosthetic department. They do an incredible job. They always have.

250
00:12:56.389 --> 00:13:00.110
And that was just exceptional work there. It was very

251
00:13:00.149 --> 00:13:01.490
impressive for this.

252
00:13:02.490 --> 00:13:05.889
Yeah, it's just, I know the episode's getting some flack

253
00:13:05.909 --> 00:13:08.000
from some people, but I'm sorry. I thought it was fun.

254
00:13:08.019 --> 00:13:08.480
Yeah, it is.

255
00:13:08.840 --> 00:13:12.080
You know, just relax, people. Like I said, Star Trek

256
00:13:12.100 --> 00:13:15.279
has done this plenty of times before. We're going to

257
00:13:15.299 --> 00:13:17.139
move on. You know we're going to, everyone knows we're

258
00:13:17.159 --> 00:13:19.240
going to get a serious one next episode. Come on,

259
00:13:19.340 --> 00:13:20.379
it's the season finale.

260
00:13:20.440 --> 00:13:20.720
Oh, yeah.

261
00:13:21.080 --> 00:13:22.980
You know we're going to get something big or something

262
00:13:23.220 --> 00:13:26.159
dramatic is going to happen. I have a feeling. Oh, yeah.

263
00:13:26.740 --> 00:13:29.600
Something's coming Mimbinga's way. I think we're going to get

264
00:13:29.940 --> 00:13:32.019
the Admiral coming back. Do you think we're going to

265
00:13:32.039 --> 00:13:34.370
see the Admiral again from last episode?

266
00:13:34.389 --> 00:13:37.590
I think, yeah, at least some of that storyline, yeah.

267
00:13:37.889 --> 00:13:39.970
Like I said before, I don't think Mimbinga's going to

268
00:13:39.990 --> 00:13:43.730
make it past this season. I mean, as Chief Medical Officer,

269
00:13:43.809 --> 00:13:47.029
I really don't see him. If he's in next season,

270
00:13:47.070 --> 00:13:52.039
it's probably just, you know, the fallout of everything that's happening. But, yeah,

271
00:13:52.059 --> 00:13:53.259
I do see the Admiral coming back.

272
00:13:53.340 --> 00:13:56.190
I do. Yeah, yeah. But you're right. I think we're

273
00:13:56.210 --> 00:13:59.529
going to see his downfall in next week's episode. I

274
00:13:59.529 --> 00:14:01.350
don't know anything about it. I've not watched it. I've

275
00:14:01.370 --> 00:14:03.330
not seen any trailers. I don't know anything about it.

276
00:14:03.340 --> 00:14:05.259
So I'm trying to stay away from it because I'm surprised.

277
00:14:06.000 --> 00:14:10.679
Yeah, they gave a very, very brief, not a synopsis,

278
00:14:10.799 --> 00:14:14.559
a tease, which says very little. I got some speculation

279
00:14:14.580 --> 00:14:16.580
to talk about that at the end of this episode.

280
00:14:16.600 --> 00:14:19.340
But yeah, I don't even think there is a trailer yet.

281
00:14:19.419 --> 00:14:21.120
I don't think they released one for this time.

282
00:14:21.759 --> 00:14:24.679
Do you think, there is any kind of hidden meaning

283
00:14:24.980 --> 00:14:30.019
with Leon getting the dog at the end? Is that

284
00:14:30.059 --> 00:14:32.700
just to give her something or do you think there's

285
00:14:32.759 --> 00:14:38.419
something else involved with that? Hmm.

286
00:14:38.759 --> 00:14:42.220
I mean, I never really thought about it that deep

287
00:14:42.299 --> 00:14:44.200
other than the fact that she's, you know, like I said,

288
00:14:44.220 --> 00:14:49.149
she had a personality change. She's so happy and satisfied

289
00:14:49.210 --> 00:14:51.230
with herself and her place in life and it just

290
00:14:51.250 --> 00:14:53.490
felt like you know, she got a dog. I never

291
00:14:53.509 --> 00:14:54.909
really put too much thought on it. I know there's

292
00:14:54.990 --> 00:14:58.389
some stuff a little bit behind the scenes, but I

293
00:14:58.409 --> 00:15:01.490
kind of liked it. I love the idea. She's a

294
00:15:01.610 --> 00:15:03.889
wonderful dog owner. I will say that. That dog is

295
00:15:04.200 --> 00:15:07.580
so cute. And I like the idea of her, of

296
00:15:07.659 --> 00:15:10.860
the character having a dog, you know, this hard hitting

297
00:15:11.139 --> 00:15:13.399
character that we've really been wondering what the hell's going

298
00:15:13.419 --> 00:15:15.320
to happen to her all season. And now she is.

299
00:15:15.659 --> 00:15:19.759
She's happy. She's in a relationship and she's got a dog.

300
00:15:20.230 --> 00:15:22.149
And I, I could be reading too much into it.

301
00:15:22.230 --> 00:15:24.509
I could, you know, I just, I just, it just felt,

302
00:15:25.269 --> 00:15:26.850
are they just giving her a dog just because she's

303
00:15:26.889 --> 00:15:30.690
completely changed her personality now? Or is there something else behind,

304
00:15:31.070 --> 00:15:33.129
behind that? I don't know. I'm like, again, I could

305
00:15:33.169 --> 00:15:35.519
just be reading into it. We only have seven episodes left,

306
00:15:35.559 --> 00:15:36.580
so maybe I am. I don't know.

307
00:15:37.120 --> 00:15:39.419
I mean, there could be, you know, I, I, as

308
00:15:39.460 --> 00:15:42.960
I've said a couple of times now, I love Christine Chong. Yeah.

309
00:15:42.980 --> 00:15:44.580
I love her works that she's done on this series.

310
00:15:44.700 --> 00:15:46.419
And of course I got to mention, you know, she

311
00:15:46.460 --> 00:15:49.750
started her career on an appearance on doctor who, During

312
00:15:49.789 --> 00:15:54.350
Matt Smith's era. I loved it. But after this episode

313
00:15:54.750 --> 00:15:56.370
and reading, doing a little bit of research on it,

314
00:15:56.529 --> 00:15:58.649
I love her even more. Now, first of all, that

315
00:15:58.669 --> 00:16:00.210
dog is just absolutely adorable.

316
00:16:00.470 --> 00:16:00.629
It is.

317
00:16:00.669 --> 00:16:03.330
But I want to bring this up because that's her dog.

318
00:16:03.429 --> 00:16:05.029
That's really Christina Trump's dog.

319
00:16:05.049 --> 00:16:06.289
Oh, really? Oh, that's awesome.

320
00:16:06.330 --> 00:16:08.470
That's her dog. And the reason I want to bring

321
00:16:08.509 --> 00:16:12.389
this up is because the dog's name is the real

322
00:16:12.429 --> 00:16:17.639
name of the dog, okay? Yeah. Is Runa Ewok. Runa Ewok. And...

323
00:16:18.590 --> 00:16:20.309
She called him that. I'm not sure where the runic

324
00:16:20.330 --> 00:16:23.289
comes from. She called Ewok because she thought when it

325
00:16:23.330 --> 00:16:25.549
was a puppy that it looked like one of those

326
00:16:25.610 --> 00:16:27.669
baby Ewoks from Return of the Jedi.

327
00:16:27.690 --> 00:16:28.309
I can see that.

328
00:16:28.330 --> 00:16:31.299
Now, when I was a kid back in the 80s,

329
00:16:31.409 --> 00:16:34.309
we had two dogs. And when we got our second dog,

330
00:16:34.330 --> 00:16:39.149
which I think was in like 83, 84, mom looked

331
00:16:39.169 --> 00:16:41.409
at him and said, he looks like a baby Ewok.

332
00:16:41.450 --> 00:16:43.169
And we called our dog Ewok.

333
00:16:43.570 --> 00:16:44.210
That's awful.

334
00:16:44.250 --> 00:16:47.820
For the exact same reason that Christina did. I have

335
00:16:47.840 --> 00:16:50.159
such great memories of that dog. Loved, you know, lived

336
00:16:50.200 --> 00:16:53.720
a long life. And I really hope that I get

337
00:16:53.759 --> 00:16:56.990
to meet Christina soon sometime at one of these conventions,

338
00:16:57.000 --> 00:16:58.470
because I want to tell her about that. I want to,

339
00:16:58.809 --> 00:17:00.289
I want to, I want to tell her because she brings,

340
00:17:00.610 --> 00:17:03.889
she brings the dog to conventions all the time. So

341
00:17:04.210 --> 00:17:06.750
I think that would be great. But I love that story.

342
00:17:06.769 --> 00:17:09.390
I love the, you know, that the parallels with, with

343
00:17:09.430 --> 00:17:11.910
what I had when I was a kid. I think it's,

344
00:17:12.210 --> 00:17:13.490
it's great. I do hope we see more of the

345
00:17:13.529 --> 00:17:15.059
dog during the series. I really do. Cause I think,

346
00:17:15.420 --> 00:17:18.799
I like this new personality of her. I like her having,

347
00:17:20.059 --> 00:17:23.720
I hope, a happily ever after storyline ending to her.

348
00:17:23.799 --> 00:17:25.180
I hope she's not one of these characters that gets

349
00:17:25.420 --> 00:17:27.380
killed off. I'll be very upset if they do that.

350
00:17:28.559 --> 00:17:30.079
Well, that makes me like the dog even more now.

351
00:17:30.240 --> 00:17:32.309
Now that I know the story behind it, that's really

352
00:17:32.369 --> 00:17:35.809
her dog. So that makes it even cooler that they

353
00:17:35.829 --> 00:17:37.809
did that. So well done to her and them.

354
00:17:38.509 --> 00:17:42.049
The scene when she beams off and the dog is

355
00:17:42.089 --> 00:17:46.450
there and he waits for her. And then she beams back.

356
00:17:46.670 --> 00:17:48.410
I love that. Isn't that so sweet?

357
00:17:48.490 --> 00:17:50.789
It is. So adorable. It really is. Yeah, I agree

358
00:17:50.829 --> 00:17:54.109
with you. My heart is always just like, oh, that's

359
00:17:54.130 --> 00:17:57.150
so cute. Yeah. So, yes, I agree with you on

360
00:17:57.170 --> 00:17:59.549
that one. All right. Well, I tell you what, Wayne,

361
00:17:59.589 --> 00:18:01.150
why don't you let's take a break. We come back

362
00:18:01.230 --> 00:18:03.170
and we will talk about what character we thought shined

363
00:18:03.190 --> 00:18:04.359
the most. I think we kind of gave it away,

364
00:18:04.970 --> 00:18:10.299
but we'll be right back. Welcome back, everybody. We're Wayne

365
00:18:10.319 --> 00:18:12.720
and I here at Phasers are continuing our discussion of

366
00:18:12.980 --> 00:18:16.099
Once Lana Time from Strange New Worlds. All right, Wayne,

367
00:18:16.259 --> 00:18:20.039
it's that time of the podcast. Which character shined the most?

368
00:18:22.619 --> 00:18:26.059
Well, we gave it away. La'an, I keep calling her La'an,

369
00:18:26.079 --> 00:18:30.930
it's La'an, is easily the character that shined the most

370
00:18:30.970 --> 00:18:33.990
in this episode. This was her episode. But I like,

371
00:18:34.289 --> 00:18:36.349
and I'm just repeating a lot of the stuff that

372
00:18:36.369 --> 00:18:37.869
I just said, but I like seeing the different side

373
00:18:37.890 --> 00:18:42.819
of her. You know, she gets to, well, Christina Chong

374
00:18:42.859 --> 00:18:47.630
gets to allow on to be funny and to be

375
00:18:47.670 --> 00:18:50.940
vulnerable and to be relaxed you know she literally put

376
00:18:50.960 --> 00:18:53.500
her hair down uh you know then we've seen her

377
00:18:53.579 --> 00:18:56.799
all season and i i love that i feel very

378
00:18:56.920 --> 00:19:00.420
satisfied with this being you know this part of her

379
00:19:00.480 --> 00:19:03.859
character yeah you know the whole the whole adventure just

380
00:19:03.960 --> 00:19:06.769
basically forced her to confront you know the different parts

381
00:19:06.809 --> 00:19:10.289
of herself different personalities that she's been bottled up all

382
00:19:10.349 --> 00:19:12.910
season and and i think it worked really well for

383
00:19:12.950 --> 00:19:16.940
her and Now she's putting her guard down, taking the

384
00:19:16.980 --> 00:19:24.269
chance with Kirk. I felt very satisfied about that. It's

385
00:19:24.369 --> 00:19:25.809
nice growth for the character.

386
00:19:27.089 --> 00:19:28.910
I'm on board with you on this. I think this

387
00:19:28.990 --> 00:19:32.190
being Leon's story was fantastic, and it's something that the

388
00:19:32.210 --> 00:19:34.250
character needed to be wrapped up. Odd way of doing it,

389
00:19:34.819 --> 00:19:36.339
but I do like the fact that they did it.

390
00:19:36.799 --> 00:19:41.029
You got to see her fight herself. in order to

391
00:19:41.089 --> 00:19:43.319
get to the point that she needed to realize of

392
00:19:43.380 --> 00:19:45.500
who she needed to become, that she needed to accept

393
00:19:46.119 --> 00:19:49.690
that darkness but bring in the light to become the

394
00:19:49.730 --> 00:19:52.430
person that she needed to become and quit fighting it off.

395
00:19:53.049 --> 00:19:56.539
So I really like that part of the story. Very symbolic.

396
00:19:57.359 --> 00:19:59.779

Phasers Set To Stun: Strange New Worlds S4. E9 | Once La'an a Time

Listen On

Featured Episodes

Phasers Set To Stun Episodes

Recent Episodes

Support On